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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

439.0. "Dream of Murder" by COMET2::LAFOREST (Make Love, Not War) Fri Aug 07 1987 20:28

       Last night on 20/20 they had a story about a guy that was tried
    and convicted for murder because of a 'dream' he had.  His dream
    was so vivid and complete that they matched up with the actual murder
    in many areas.
    
       Is it possible to have a dream, or even an out of body experience
    so vivid, and yet not have been there?  I wonder.
    
    
    Ray
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439.1It just *couldn't* be a psychic dream...AOXOA::STANLEYDupree's Diamond BluesFri Aug 07 1987 20:505
I saw that too.  I noticed that the police never actually considered that
dream might have been psychic.  It may not have been, but I was disapointed
that someone didn't consider it.

		Dave
439.2Moral of Story...NEXUS::MORGANTis an ill wind that blows no minds.Mon Aug 10 1987 04:371
    The moral of the story is "Don't open your mouth."
439.3But.....FRYAR::MOREAUMon Aug 10 1987 14:374
    My question about the whole things is, can you REALLY wake from
    a dream and then resume it when you go back to sleep?  I've never
    heard of that happening. At least its never happened to me.
    
439.4however....INK::KALLISRaise Hallowe'en awareness.Mon Aug 10 1987 14:517
    Re .3:
    
    Well, if you have a recurring dream, if there's a heavy overlap,
    you might believe the second time you woke up that the dream picked
    up where you left it off.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
439.5Sure.PBSVAX::COOPERTopher CooperMon Aug 10 1987 15:5016
RE: .3
    
    It happens frequently to me, *that I know of*.
    
    Sleep lab experiments show that if someone wakes up for a brief
    enough time (less than 30 seconds, I think) they won't remember
    it later.  Furthermore, this is quite common.  One of the problems
    with Sleep Apnea (the temporary stopping of breathing during sleep)
    is that a severe sufferer may wake up 100s of times during the night
    in order to start breathing again.  They don't remember this at
    all the next morning, but they don't get much rest.  I would think
    that if one of these mini-wake-ups occur during a dream that it
    is quite likely to continue afterwards with no more discontinuity
    than is normal in a dream anyway.
    
    					Topher
439.6Fantasy or RealityCHUCKL::SSMITHMon Aug 10 1987 16:1013
    Although they have a long way to go, more and more police departments
    are relying on hypnotism and information from psychics in their
    investigations. I would find it FAIRLY hard to believe that this
    person was convicted SOLELY on his dream. Was there more evidence
    presented that you havn't spoke of?
    
    Ofcourse if he was convicted solely on his dream, I would imagine
    that the prosecution contended that because his mind could not deal
    with the horendous nature of his act, that his mind blocked it out,
    and that his DREAM was, in reality, a MEMORY.
    
    
    Steve
439.7A hairy situationDONNER::LAFORESTMake Love, Not WarMon Aug 10 1987 20:4710
       The only really tangible evidence that the prosecutor had other
    than the dream was some hair that was similiar to his that was found
    in the victims apartment.
    
       The man that was convicted has had a request for a new trial
    granted.  The outcome should prove interesting.
    
       Talk about nightmares!
    
    Ray
439.8"I want that woman's name"SLOOP::OPERMon Aug 10 1987 22:3713
    re: .3
      
         Lazaris has talked to us in the past about dreams (see elsewhere
    for more on that) but in relation to this topic, he has stated that
    to dream about something in particular (including a dream you had
    just had) simply say "I wish to dream about..." three times just
    prior to falling asleep.  As with most things, it takes practice
    to get it "to work" when and how you'd like it.  There are other
    variations on this and many of them involve the thrice-told 
    declarations.
      
    Frederick
    
439.9I was thinking....zzzzzzzzzzFDCV09::ARVIDSONSay *NO* to anti-taping chips!!!Thu Aug 20 1987 20:4221
I have been able to continue a dream after waking up.  I remember this
happening as follows...

I wake up in the middle of the night, usually with a full bladder, head
for the bathroom with a minimal number of thoughts in my mind.  Two of them
being 1) don't walk into anything 2) don't stub your toe.  Often I'll think
about the dream I was just having.  I don't think about it too hard, sort-of
review it.  Then, walk back to bed and back to sleep and the dream continues.

I believe it to be a fight for control between the concious and the subconcious.
While awake the concious has your subconcious subdued, or so it thinks  :-)
While asleep the subconcious has your concious subdued.  By keeping the number
of concious thoughts to a minimum while your awake you increase the chances
of repeating the dream.  

This could be a case of interupting the dream changing its direction by
reviewing it, then continuing it.  I say this because sometimes when I first
go to bed I'll have concious thoughts before I fall asleep that lead/mix with
the dream when I do get to sleep.

Dan
439.10Me tooNATASH::BUTCHARTFri Aug 21 1987 12:399
    Re: .9
    
    I've also had that experience with dreams.  If the dreams are very
    disturbing, I am often torn between wanting to turn them off and
    review them to "make the ending come out right".  And often I find
    myself back in the original dream's action trying to do just that.
    Sometimes it even works.
    
    Marcia