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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

419.0. "Taboo states of consciousness ?" by SSDEVO::ACKLEY (No final answers here) Tue Jul 21 1987 15:32

	There are many possible world views, but some seem to be
approved of while others are not.   Shamanistic healers are
repressed in this society, while materialistic healers are given
power and authority.    Magical methods and practices are debunked,
while materialistic scientists have often claimed that theirs is
the only truth.....
	I have experienced some viewpoints, on rare occasions, that
in spite of their positive an healing nature, seemed to arouse a
hostile response in many people;

Telepathy is taboo?

	I once had an experience that seems to relate to this;
I was studying the UFO phenomenon, and telepathic communications,
for many months.   During this time I became certain (for a very
short period of time) that I was directly perceiving the truth in
a telepathic contact with other life forms.    This certainty became
evident in my speech and attitude.   I described my experience in
parables and poems and songs.   My "friends", meanwhile, demanded
that I "explain" to them what I meant in materialistic terms.   They,
in effect, demanded that I adopt their point of view to describe my
experience.   The poetic, dreamlike descriptions I had been giving
them, were in fact the most direct way I could tell them what I was
seeing.   They would reply, "but don't you really mean...?"   In
effect they were unwilling to let go of objective consciousness for
long enough to experience anything else.   I could objectify my
experience for them, but then I simply returned to the ordinary
state of consciousness.
	My poems and parables excited them.   They felt an inner sense
of energy while listening to me speak, while in this altered state.
Yet their entire response seemed designed to put an end to my state 
of consciousness as quickly as possible.

True love is taboo?

	How often does a "true love" story have to end in tragedy?
Two people who attain the rare state of "true love consciousness"
are often warned by their friends or family.   They may feel a
surging of inner power, that seems strong enough to overcome all
obstacles, yet other people around them may deliberately try to
bring them down, and warn them that this feeling of power is
"unrealistic".
	In dramatic representations, such as "Romeo and Juliet", one
or both of the "true lovers" must die to demonstrate the impossibility
of true love.

Sacred consciousness is taboo?

	The mainstream religions around here teach that mankind is in
a state of sin, and separated from God.    On a few occasions I have
been in an altered state of consciousness where this seemed obviously
false.   In those moments I seemed to be directly connected to the
divine will of God.   I was able to speak with a sense of personal
authority, and my presence was felt to be a healing one by some who
were nearby.   It was this sense of inner authority which aroused
opposition here.   People would tell me that I must depend on outer,
external references for my sense of authority.
	It seems that there is a general taboo against people
feeling a direct sense of personal divine connection and authority.

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	To maintain these states of consciousness it seems necessary to
keep them secret.   Being a hermit, or among a small, like minded group
seems to help.

	Alan.
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419.1Go for it!FDCV13::PAINTERTue Jul 21 1987 16:2155
    Alan,
    
    I know all too well what you are going through, because that is
    what I'm also experencing.
    
    The feeling is of being very much alone....not lonely, but very
    alone with (almost) nobody willing to take the time to even attempt 
    to try to understand what you are going through and remain open to the
    possibilities that you are trying to express, and instead *judge* you 
    by their standards and their own past experiences. This makes you
    want to retreat further into yourself and keep this wonderful 'secret'
    to yourself. Such people may even ostracize you and make you feel like 
    an outcast simply because you are not 'like' them, and instead of 
    accepting you the way you are, they are doing their best to make YOU 
    change to be like them.  Don't fall into the trap.  You can never go 
    back to your prior self, and even if you could, you wouldn't.  Your eyes
    have been opened to such a degree that it may even be frightening
    to some people to even listen to you.              
    
    Those people who want to 'change' you are not your real friends.
    That may be hard to accept at first, but I've always found that
    my true longterm friends accept me for what I am and will take the
    time to listen to what I have to say without judging me.  
    
    You aren't EVER going to be the same person you were before, and 
    that's OK.  If you can try your best to make those around you
    understand that you will accept them for what and who they are, no 
    matter what they are and make a point of this, the possibilitty is
    that they might be able to do the same toward you, even though they 
    don't understand you fully......yet (one can hope for a change in the 
    future).
    
    About the 'higher power' in relationship to you and the world -
    yes, what you have said is true.  I believe also that the 'higher
    power' is within and all around.  Those people who will require
    you to show the proof before believing in something that can't be
    proven will never find what they are looking for.  It is something
    that each person must experience for themselves before they will
    ever even begin to fully share in your experience, and until that
    time comes for them, the best you can do is just to live and treat
    them in the manner in which you would like to be treated.  After
    a while, they might catch on, but don't 'expect' miracles the first
    few times around.  Hoping for one is OK though.
    
    Look around you and try to find others who have also shared in your
    experience.  You will begin to find them.  If you are wondering
    about how they might react to your experiences, test the waters
    by revealing just a small part of your inner feelings.  If the person
    judges you, then drop the subject.  If the person listens with intent
    interest and shares with you a similar experience, then you have
    found a friend.
                    
    Hope this is of some use to you.  You are not alone.
    
    Cindy
419.2Some SupportUSFSHQ::SMANDELLYes, I *can* have it my way!Tue Jul 21 1987 16:4714
    Alan,  I, too, understand your frustration at not having those you
    care for experience the same level of enlightenment that you have
    apparently achieved.  They will, when it's time for them.  Keep
    your convictions as a part of who you are and how you speak and
    act, and it will surely help them understand.
    
    There *are* others out here who have similar understandings -- probably
    more than you might have imagined.  I keep finding more and more
    "playmates" in the most surprizing places!  As you are open, so
    will others be.
    
    Sheila