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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
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Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
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405.0. "Da Free John" by --UnknownUser-- () Wed Jul 15 1987 12:52

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405.3The Great QuestionsBOSTON::DENTONWed Jul 15 1987 20:1136
    Master Da Free John, or Heart-Master Love-Ananda, as he is also known,
    has given the following Great Questions for pondering.  The
    consideration of these may be used by anyone.  They are simply a
    way to help one in the process of Listening, self-Observation and
    self-Understanding.  They are found in his book _The Dawn Horse
    Testament_, Chapter 19, pages 296-297.           
                                                     
    "What Am 'I' Always Doing?"                      
                                                     
    "Avoiding Relationship?"                         
                                                     
    "Who or What Is Always Already The Case (Before 'I' Do Anything
     At All)?"                                       
                                                     
    "Am 'I' The One Who Is 'Living' (Animating or Manifesting) me (the
     body-mind) Now?"                                
                                                     
    "Who Is 'Living' me Now?"                        
                                                     
    "How Do 'I' Relate To The One Who 'Lives' me?"   
                                                     
    "Do 'I' know What any one or any thing Is?"      
                                           --        
                                                     
    "What Is it?"                                    
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    "Who, What, and Where Is Happiness?"             
                          --                         
                                                     
    "Who, What, and Where Is Consciousness?"         
                          --                         
                                                     
    "What Will 'I' Do If 'I' Love The Divine Person (The Self-Radiant
     Being, Happiness Itself, or Consciousness Itself)?"
                       
405.4MuktanandaCIMAMT::TOLAATue Aug 08 1989 17:3048
    For a number of years I read Da Free Johns teachings, and yet,
    though his logic is impeccable, and on a deeper level, though I know
    intuitively that these insights are true, they didn't make much
    of a dent in my own state or actions. And, I didn't feel a pull to
    him as teacher that inclined me to do sadhana (spiritual practice) with 
    him. However, his descriptions of Muktananda are what attracted me to
    Siddha Yoga and I'm grateful to him for that. I'm no longer 
    fully committed to Muktananda's path, but I don't think the affect
    of my time spent there will ever leave me. 
    
    The differences in Da Free John's and Muktananda's approaches are 
    interesting. Da Free John, if I read him right, regards the "Shakti,"
    the Divine creative power which is responsible for, most importantly, 
    the evolution of consciouness, is a secondary phenomena. In fact,
    I think he no longer gives "Shaktipat", the awakening of this power,
    as a matter of course. Rather he feels that knowledge itself is what
    transforms people.
    
    Muktananda, on the other hand, believed that the Shakti was the most
    important thing in the world of things. And that liberation comes
    through shaktipat, when the Kundalini energy is awakened by the touch,
    look, or thought of someone in whom it is already fully awakened.
    
    Da Free John mentioned in one of his books that Muktananda seemed
    stuck in "highest experience", and hadn't passed from the Sahasrar
    back into the Transcendent Heart, that Ramana Maharshi talks about,
    or further, wasn't established in the current between the heart and the
    head that he calls "Amrita Nadi". I used to mull this over once in
    awhile, but one day I read a casual statement that Muktananda had
    made to someone: "The Atman exists in the region between the head
    and the heart. Not in one or the other."
    
    
    As for Da Free John, I still think his knowledge and understanding
    of spiritual culture and the workings of subtle and hard to grasp
    processes within Man is unmatched. But it wasn't until I went to 
    Muktananda's Ashram that I really felt, tangibly, something
    outside of my ordinary experience. I know now that his is not
    the only path where that miraculous power exists, but to me then,
    it was an amazing discovery.