Conference hydra::dejavu

	I like the thought of being "centered"... and it's probably
	a good idea all the way around.

	A psychologist once had me list all of what I considered my
	good qualities on one side of a sheet of paper, draw a line
	through the center of it, and list all of my bad qualities
	on the other side of the line.  I kept adding to both of these
	lists for several days.  It was eye opening, to say the least.
	We used this list a number of times.  One of the most interesting
	things that came out of this was that different personality traits
	that caused some of the "good" qualities had corresponding "bad"
	qualities... sort of a shadow side.

	I added this list to my journal, and I still keep adding to both
	sides as I get to know myself better.


						-- Mike

    Just a couple of thoughts that occured while reading this note------
    
    1. Others would say that the "chemistry" created when you meet someone
    is a result of your relationship (negative or positive) with that
    individual in a former life or lives.
    
    2. Re: centeredness or knowing yourself -- I have been told by several
    people that all knowledge, or the answers to all your questions
    is available to your within yourself if you but learn to "see" it.
     There are a variety of explanations (e.g., cell knowledge, access
    to the "universal source", etc.,etc.,etc.)
    
    

	Know Thyself... wisdom words, voiced and written thru eternity
itself; engraved in the sacred temples of the east and west, as a 
reminder for the seeker on where truth resides...

	A tree in its search for light, grows and matures; but it must
root itself deeper and deeper, and so must do he who searches the light
of wisdom.


	Simple ? it is not...Difficult ? it may be not...for myriads of
ways exists, but at the end (or pehaps, at the begining ?) what truly
counts is the impecability of the warrior in his choosen path. In the 
begining then; the work on yourself, for it is this what will reveal
which path, belongs.

	

A few techniques...

		Observe yourself; but first detach. Learn to be the
	observer of your acts. And not only of the ones considered of
	importance, but above all look for the small ones, because this
	are the ones really important ! Remember that the whole is composed
	of the small, and it is by observing the small that we learn about
	the whole.
		This will unveil your true feelings at the moment, your
	_unknown_ patterns of behavior, which are the ones reponsible for
	what we may call "your present self", and these patterns of behavior
	brings us our habits; good or bad, but habits nevertheless.
		And this one I may say, is one of the greatest, hidden
	ballasts that we must set free from...which brings us to another
	technique...

		Act consciously ! whatever you do or not do always be
	aware. This requires tremendous effort, but it is by this effort
	that we will awaken from the deep sleep we all are in. For doing
	this, a simple but monumental task: - Remember yourself -. In
	the begining for a few seconds, then for a few minutes and even-
	tually for hours. The best time to apply this technique is 
	while engaged in the doing of our "habits", feel, hear, touch,
	smell, see, all this being aware. Become a "witness" of your acts
	and specialy, of your feelings. By this much will be learned...
	which brings us to another technique...

		When embracing our daily death; preparing ourselves to
	rest in the land of shadows, lets unwind the mind, soul and spirit.
	Live your day again; but from now to before...
		While in bed, re-live your moments ! flow with them, but 
	backwards. Remember the moments just before going to bed onwards
	up to point in were you have just awaken, at the begining of that
	day. Re-enact them, not only with your mind but with your feelings;
	the feelings that accompained each single act performed during
	that day. You will become aware of feelings and thoughts that were
	hidden, buried whithin the realms of your soul. By this much will
	be learned...which brings us to another technique...

		The house of the thousand rooms and hundreds of servants,
	each becoming the master of the house for one day. Why is the 
	house never clean or quiet ? Why there are quarels and fights,
	but no peace ?
		Because he who orders today, no longer decides tomorrow;
	and they are all different...
		Who is the master of your house today ? Who is he who
	decided yesterday to do that, but _you_ want to to this today ?
	Learn who are your "selves"; make a strategic inventory of them
	and specialy, on when they take command of your house.
		Eventually one will emerge that "you" will recognize as
	the true master, disguised as a servant. You will _know_ were
	he "hides" and then, were to look for him. By this much will
	be learned...


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		As it was mentioned before in several topics of this 
conference, the "discovery" of yourself is the first evolutionary step
towards any "conscious" effort for developing the psi faculties latent
in any living being. ( Or in the words of Sir Colin Wilson, towards the
development of "Faculty X")
		Anyone wishing to embark in this glorious quest, must first
look deep inside himself; solving first his own ridles and mysteries; thus
emancipating his soul from the below so that his spirit can reach the above.
This will enable the seeker to acquire enough "personnal power" as to tackle
the unknown, and not to peril in the unknowable.
		Few things in existence are obtained free; more or less
effort is required. In other words, a price must be paid. Perhaps this is
our "Eagles Gift" so that he will bestow us with awareness.



			- " Control, discipline, forbearance and timing;
			    the four atributes of warriorship..." -
							Don Juan Matus.






					- Jaime Santiago Roman -
	

	     -- My Inner Temple --

        Inside myself is a special place.
              A place of safety,
                   Solitude,
     Protected from the rest of the universe. 

       It is here that I search for my "self".

               The light's better.
                (so is the music)

				-- Michael Woodward

    Re:  all

    This note and its replies are very interesting.

      > A tree in its search for light, grows and matures; but it must
      > root itself deeper and deeper, and so must do he who searches 
      > the light of wisdom.

    Wow.  For sure.  (I'm not just saying that because I'm from
    California. :^) )

    The more I learn about myself, the more I am aware of that I *don't*
    know, and the more I see there is to learn.

    In reaching for the light of wisdom, I have looked down to discover 
    my feet dangling...not rooted anywhere.

    Currently, I am re-learning all over again.  My structure of
    beliefs and perceptions exploded into a million fragments
    leaving me feeling totally devastated, confused, ...and to
    quote the Moody Blues...  feeling lost in a lost world.

    Seeing so many choices...now I'm trying to choose the ones I
    want to use.  At first I was afraid to choose anything for fear
    of becoming trapped.  But as another line from a Rush song goes
    (something like)... if you decide not to choose, you still have
    made a choice!

    In learning to "accept"...I have learned that it's okay to have
    preferences.

    In learning to "love"...I have learned that it's okay to not agree.

    In learning to "be open"...I have learned it's okay to feel pain too.

    If this doesn't make sense to any of you...that's okay...it doesn't
    make sense to me either.

    :^)

    Jerri

                 
    From Bob Dylan, upon being concerned that people were listening
    to him too much and denying themselves, he sang - "Trust yourself."
                                                   
    Whitney Houston sings, "...I've found the greatest love inside of me."
                                                   
    Other quotes:
    
    	"To have a friend, you must first be one."
    
    	"Nurture yourself first, and only then will you be able
         to nurture others."
    
        "To thine own self be true."
         
    In happiness,
                         
    Cindy

    WOW!  I just found this notes file and it blows my mind that so
    many are tuned in to a topic of this nature (I've been at DEC 4 months).
    
    	I've always considered myself perceptive when it comes to first
    meetings with people.  As I've become older and more experienced
    I've realized that there is more to it than just being perceptive.
    I decided that it must be chemical in nature and I have an uncanny
    ability to read people very quickly.  Does anyone know where there
    is some reading material on this subject matter (preferably from
    a scientific viewpoint)?
    
    	Also, I've been quite good at calling people on the phone just
    as they were about to call me.  Often the phone doesn't even ring
    on the recieving end.  Do many of you experience this?  Is it chemical?
     
    	

RE: .9

    Since you asked for an answer "preferably from a scientific viewpoint"
    I thought I'd try to answer (as someone who spends a good proportion
    of his weekends, evenings, holidays, etc. as a scientist investigating
    this general area) you're questions.

    1) Uncanny ability to read people quickly --  Inside each of our heads
    is a mad genius, or perhaps a community of mad geniuses, which is called
    our subconscious.  Our subconscious notices many things which our
    conscious minds fail to notice, remembers things which our conscious
    mind has forgotten (or wasn't even awake for) and makes brilliant
    deductions which our conscious mind fails to make.

    Have you ever read Sherlock Holmes, or seen one of the movies?  There
    is always at least one scene where Holmes, upon first meeting someone,
    describes amazing details about the person, which, as it happens, is
    based on noticing little things about them: how they hold themselves,
    calluses on their hands, objects on their person, how they dress, dust
    and scratching on clothes or objects, etc.  He would combine this
    information with general facts that he knew: dialects, geography, what
    various jobs entail, etc. and come up with his uncanny statements.

    Very similarly, we each have a Sherlock Holmes locked in our skull with
    us.  Some people's internal Holmes is better than others, and more
    importantly, some people are better able to listen to "him".  And for
    most people the subconscious will, at times, deliberately mislead the
    conscious for various psychological reasons.  For example, we
    frequently get from the subconscious what we *want* to be true rather
    than what is true.

    Some professional magicians and some fake psychics have learned to
    consciously do some of this.  In magic circles it is traditionally
    called "muscle reading" but it is now sometimes called "subtle cue
    reading" since it involves much more than simply "reading" small
    muscular responses.

    The major sense which we pay the least conscious attention to is our
    sense of smell -- which is the sense by which we detect chemicals in
    the air with.  A lot of information can be carried in smells, and I
    would expect the subconscious to be able to pick up on it.  Clearly one
    can pick up odors which can tell you about what chemicals and foods a
    person has been in recent contact with.  One could also find out about
    a person's current and recent emotional states.  Some illnesses also
    have characteristic odors.

    So yes, sensing chemicals is quite likely to be *part* of the
    explanation, but unless the kinds of things you can tell about someone
    from first meeting is very limited, it is *only* part.  The real
    explanation probably comes from using sight, sound, smell and sometimes
    taste and/or touch and mixing in a lot of facts you aren't even aware
    that you know.

    I have not yet mentioned ESP -- experiments have shown that even when
    every conceivable sensory cue is rigorously excluded people still are
    able to pick up information from their subconscious (I consider these
    experiments quite conclusive; the critics all either (1) are ignorant
    of the experiments (2) argue about claims which have not been made or
    (3) set special standards for parapsychology experiments for which I
    believe there is no objective justification -- they are designed to
    exclude "uncomfortable" results).  Most of the time there seems to be
    only a small amount of unexplainable information.

    Since generally there is a wealth of information available through
    normal sensory channels from which facts could be derived, it is very
    rare to be in a "natural" situation where we can know that ESP plays a
    role.

    Never-the-less, if we accept the evidence of the rather "unnatural"
    parapsychology experiments it is reasonable to assume that, at least
    sometimes, some information derived by ESP is mixed-in to help make
    the judgments.  It is not at all unreasonable to further guess that
    sometimes much more than the little amount of information generally
    shown in ESP experiments comes through and is used by the subconscious.

    A good "psychic" then is someone who is able to use their subconscious
    effectively to integrate all the sources of knowledge about the world
    around them and the people in it, including sight, sound, memory,
    smell, and, yes perhaps ESP.  I suspect that many good, honest,
    effective psychics never use ESP, but most of the time this makes very
    little difference -- its the results that count, not the method.

    Since this has gotten so long I'll respond to the part about the phones
    separately.

				    Topher

RE: .9 (continued)

    2) Ability to "call people ... just as they were about to call." --
    This is sometimes called "phone sychronization phenomena".  Most people
    have experienced it at least once or twice.  Some people seem to
    experience it much more often than others, however.

    The conventional explanation goes roughly as follows: coincidences
    happen all the time, but we don't notice when they *don't* occur only
    when they do.  We forget the thousands of times that we call someone
    and they have no thought of talking to us at all, but, because of our
    surprise we remember vividly when someone calls us who we were just
    about to call or vice versa.  It therefore seems much more common than
    in fact it is.

    Making this seemingly unlikely coincidence much more likely is the
    possibility of common causes for the two parties to call each other
    even when neither is consciously aware of it, e.g., a comic on TV the
    evening before used a phrase which used to be used commonly by a mutual
    friend.  Thus putting both parties in mind of the "old gang" without
    knowing why specifically.

    Since it is almost impossible to figure out exactly *how* unlikely a
    coincidence an incident like this one is, and since it is impossible
    to eliminate these subtle common causes, telephone synchronization
    cannot be treated as good evidence for ESP for anyone who has a
    reasonable doubt to its existence.  In scientific terminology, the
    situation is too uncontrolled for any conclusions to be drawn.

    Once we accept the existence of ESP, however, matters are a bit
    different.  While many such incidents are probably just the types of
    coincidence mentioned, others, particularly when the seem to happen
    frequently to a single person, are probably due to ESP.  This might be
    telepathy (by "reading" the other persons mind and thereby knowing that
    they are about to call), by clairvoyance (by "seeing" that they are in
    the process of calling you), or by precognition (by "knowing" that they
    are *about* to call you).  More speculatively, it might be due to a
    form of PK rather than ESP (by encouraging them to call you).

    It seem very unlikely that chemicals could have much to do with this
    phenomena.  By their very nature chemical information channels are too
    "noisy" over long distances, and too slow to allow the type close
    synchronization which you describe.

			Topher

    RE: .11
    
    	The "PSP" I've experienced usually happens only with certain
    people.  But with these people it occurs more than 50% of the time.
    My customers love it!
    
    	I'm leaning toward PK as an explanation for this because I've
    always been able to exert my influence over people.
    
    	The subject facsinates me.
    
    Bob

         I'm not too certain I want to respond since the original
    request was for "scientific" information.  However, after reading
    Topher's response, one could "conclude" that there is more than
    just science going on in this arena.  If one then reaches this
    conclusion as a belief, then one therefore enters the realm of
    this conference to all of its possibilites.  Voila!  Metaphysics
    in all its glory!  Once one has opened him/herself to this
    potential, then virtually anything is possible, and a great deal
    more becomes probable and therefore the end "result" may not be
    anything like what was "originally" resultant.  As a person who
    has spent a great deal of time listening to Lazaris (as most of
    you no doubt are quite aware)  I will respond in his terms (because
    I find his answers to be best for me at this point) by saying
    that there is no cause/effect...it exists only in time, for which
    there is much evidence that indicates it is only illusionary and
    a convenience.  So what happens here?  A decision was/is made, from
    available choices, for a particular effect.  That then gets followed
    by a set of causes which in that particular individual's belief
    system are "plausible" for the effect.  This satisfies our
    predisposition towards "logic" (however unlikely the logic may be.)
    This "explains" the unexplainable very well (although I recognize
    that it can be disturbing to see our reality this way...we've got
    a lot of investment in our "old ways" of seeing things.)  Anyway,
    as we've discussed before, end results don't really matter, it's
    how you get there that matters.  That these things exist at all
    indicates that they are more than just possible but that in "fact"
    are actual...the more you believe it (as -.1 indicated) the more
    it occurs.  The answer could therefore be as clear as saying:
    "Change your beliefs!"  Reasons no longer become important...the
    truth that you can make whatever you want happen is then what
    finally matters.  Where do you want to go?  What future do you
    really want?  How much work are you willing to do to let go of 
    past beliefs?  What are the fears, etc. that hold you to the "old?"
    If we are what we say, what we think and what we do, then to become
    someone "else" we only need to change any of those components to
    become different.  Why not allow for intuition to account for ESP
    or PK or anything else?  It's apparently just as likely as chemistry
    (which appears to me to be a result of belief systems anyway.)
      
    It's interesting to note that highly evolved consciousnesses (as
    we've thought them to be) are not necessarily that knowledgeable
    when it comes to science, etc.  My conclusion would be that science
    may therefore not be the direction in which I would want to go to
    understand the meaning of life.
      
    Frederick
    

    	I have come to believe that coincidence happens, because the
    universe is ONE SINGLE WHOLE.    Two people who happen to call
    each other at the same moment are part of the same single event.
    	Casual connections do not have to be obvious to our senses.
    Reasoning from the axiom; "God Is One", one might deduce that
    the universe also is a single whole with unity in it's entire
    design.    Jung's concept of synchronicity correlates psychic
    meaning with coincidental events.   The meaning of an event, as
    percieved by the mind is also a part of the whole (single)
    manifestation.    

    	Alan.