Conference hydra::dejavu

    There are several other notes on the subject of dreaming.  Many
    people are of the opinion that we all dream every night, but often
    we forget we've dreamed.
    
    Some dreams may have a paranormal content; others needn't.  I know
    of one dream whose main ingredients came from two advertisements
    that ran in an aerospace journal, which I'd read before going to
    sleep.
    
    Some dreams may be just cleaning the mental "clutter" from our heads.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    I too, frequently remember my dreams, which are also always in colour.
    
    Some seem to have some paranormal content, some seem to be a different
    way of solving problems (I have had dreams of solving calculus problems
    that worked, dreams that showed me holes in software and ways to
    plug the holes).  A common way to affect my dreams is if there is
    a news show on the radio while I'm sleeping, I will usually pick
    one of the news stories and dream that I am there and participating
    in the news story.  Some are interesting, some are not very nice
    at all (I don't like picking up on murders or other violent crimes).
    
    Elizabeth

    I had an interesting dream last night. Myself and a couple of friends
    of mine had discovered a means of time travel. We would use swings
    or swing each other or even one of us had managed to figure out
    the proccess without any mechanical means. How it worked was you
    would start to swing, then a wall would appear in front of you.
    you had to visualize the wall, but it was definitly real you just
    had to know it was there and then you could see it. It was about ten 
    feet tall, made of solid stone and was one foot thick. 
    
    While swinging you would concentrate on the place and time you wanted
    to be and at the right moment you would jump up and over the wall.
    Then you would be there. If you didn't make it over it was quite
    a fall but if you did you would land smoothly.
    
    There was more to the dream, actually alot of adventures but it
    would take quite a while to write them I figured I'd share the
    concept with you so if anyone wanted to try it out in a dream state
    and see how it works for you. Maybe you'll end up in the same places
    I went to, now THAT would be interesting.
    
    
    paul

    
    Anyone ever have a dream of an event that had not yet happened,
    and then later the event occured ?
    
    Sometime ago I had such a dream. I dreamt that myself and some friends
    were at a place ( a place that in reality existed not far from where
    I was living ). There was a party of some sort, and the place was
    raided by the police, people were arrested for posession of pot.
    I was not, I had snuck out or something, can't remember. Well a
    few days later this really happened to the people who were in my
    dream, only I wasn't there. *This really happened*
    
    I had told some friends about the dream after I had it, and when
    it really happened, some wondered I was an informer. It is hard
    to just toss this up as a coincidental.
    
    peter
    
     
    

    Re .4:
    
    Try Notes 2, 28, 58, 97, and 263.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

RE: .4
    
    Although I am fairly well convinced that some dreams really do fortell
    the future, keep in mind that there are conventional mechanisms
    other than coincidence which will deceptively give that appearance
    (in this case I think we can agree to rule out one of them -- self
    fulfilling prophecy).
    
    					Topher

    
    .6,
    
    We can definitly rule out self fulfilling prophecy ! What other
    conventional mechanisms did you have in mind ?
    
    peter

    

RE: .7
    
    The most likely here is what I sometimes refer to as the "subconscious
    Sherlock Holmes".  Each and every one of us has a subconscious which
    notices many things which we *consciously* *don't* notice.  It can
    put these little facts together, along with things we do remember,
    and come up with quite startleing deductions.  In other words we
    all have a mad genius riding along with us and seeing/hearing/feeling/
    smelling/tasting/etc. everything we do, and paying more attention
    than we do.
    
    Just as a for-instance (there are many possibilities here) your
    subconscious could have already figured out that some member of
    your group of acquaintences was a narc informer.  By noticing a
    certain excitment on that persons part when the party was mentioned
    it could have guessed that the party might be raided -- and given
    you a warning, via the dream, to be extra sure not to be there.
    
    Did this happen?  I haven't the faintest idea.  Could it have happened?
    Yes, it most certainly could have.
    
    				Topher  

    
    
    Jane Roberts 'Seth' speakes of dreams as working out possible
    realities,i.e, how shall i plan tomorrow; interact with John/Jane
    Doe etc.
    
    

    
    As a cynic, I would point out that a police raid is not a tremendously
    farfetched event for a pot party, so the dream makes logical sense,
    especially if your friends were holding it in an apartment building
    or some other place where a neighbor could have complained about
    the smell, noise, etc.
    
    I'd be really interested in a dream that had something logically
    unlikely happening which later came true.
    
    Caroline
    
    P.S. I do have a reasonably open mind about it or I wouldn't read
         this notesfile!

    I dream every night.  Some mornings I remember more than others.
     I have had helpful dreams about work and such.  One of the things
    that amazes me is that I can wake up from a dream, go into the kitchen
    for a drink return back to bed and continue with the same dream!!
    
    Once I had a dream about a friend and in the dream he had been hurt.
    I was telling this to a friend as we drove down the street.  All
    of a sudden she was pointing her finger and saying look.  Sure enough
    there he was with a bandaged arm and hand.  Freaky!!
    
    I think dreams are definitely the way your subconscious sends you
    messages.  Just recently I was thinking of breaking up with a steady
    boyfriend of a year.  I can't tell you how many nights I had dreams
    of killing him for the most ridiculous reasons.  Needless to say,
    I broke things off with him!!
    
    In the first few notes of this topic people mentioned dreaming in
    color. Are such things possible??  I sometimes think I have dreams
    in color but tend to think that my conscious mind fills in the color
    for me when I recall the dream.  For instance I had a dream of a
    Ryder Truck (the kind you move furniture with).  When thinking about
    the dream I insisted that I knew it was a Ryder because of the "yellow"
    color but I can't be sure.
    
    lori

    Re .11:
    
    There's a whole note on this subject ("Do You dream In Colour?");
    and a lot of people do.  I _know_, for instance, that I dream in
    color because color often plays an important part in my dreams [one
    dream was on a complex optical train using dichroic/split beams
    filtered to their primary colors in pure saturation; it would be
    meaningless in monochrome].  Indeed, when there's no coloor is when
    I'm dreaming I'm viewing a monochrome device (I was fooling around
    with an idea for a big-screen stereoscopic television display, and
    _that_ was monichrome, even though the cabinet it was in was wood-
    colored).  Outside of that sort of thing, my dreams are always in
    color.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr 

    
    I also dream in colour most of the time.  I have had dreams like
    you describe, Steve, where I am in a room (coloured) and watching
    a black-and-white (well, actually sepia, but let's not nit-pick)
    movie on a TV.  I am curious; does anyone else have dreams that
    incorporate touch, taste, and smell?  I get these effects in dreams
    with some regularity.  For example, in a recent dream, I was walking
    barefoot on a paved road, and cut my right foot on a shard of glass.
    I found it curious, because I felt the pavement, which was cool
    (it was nighttime) and pebbles and sand under my feet, and wetness
    from the blood on my foot, and saw the marks I had left on the road,
    but I did not feel pain from the cut.  I have also tasted food
    (chocolate ice cream, of course;-)), smelled lemons, flowers, etc.
    during dreams.  Does this happen to anyone else?
    
    Rita
    
    

.10
             
    It was not the fact that a police raid occured that I see as
    significant,but the fact that the very people in my dream were
    there, and were arrested just as in my dream.
    
    BTW - This was not a noisy, smelly event. It was relativly quiet
    in a house in the country.
    
    The dream makes no *logical* sense to me.
    
    peter

    I agree with you Peter.  I have dreams like that a lot too.  I "saw"
    both of my children in dreams and both dreams were about a year
    before they were born.  I tend to dream about people I don't know
    about a year or two before they come into my life.  I used to "talk"
    to my sons in dreams...the boys would come into my room and wake
    me up to continue the conversations when they were little.  I think
    that some dreams are just subconcious expressions of wishes and
    fears, but other dreams seem to be our conciousness exploring aspects
    of reality we have yet to recognize.

    re 13.  I definitely remembering feeling things in my dreams, but
    never pain.  And I've had several babies, endured tornadoes, fires,
    sensual encounters, etc. (in my dreams)
    
    Had a funny one the other night...I went somewhere and got a brain,
    that was in a tin.  I took it to the hospital so they could put
    it in...and I remember quibbling over how much hair they'd shave
    off!  (colored dream too-had bright orange hair!)
    
    Theresa.            

    	Your real name isn't EYEgor by any chance, is it??  :^) :^)
    
    	(A pink cigar if you know what I'm referring to)
                                              
    	Larry
    

    
    It is my belief that part of our dreaming is of our future and that
    is where we get the feeling of Dejavu,because we may dream of a
    place or event and when it happens we feel we have been there before
    or feel like an event had taken place before.
    
    
    MIKE

    I also have other senses activated when I dream.  My dreams almost
    always feature color, too.  I have had dreams in which music was
    composed and heard, dreams in which I ate, smelled and tasted food,
    dreams in which I felt bodily sensations.  Of the lot, the last
    category has been the most disturbing for me, especially if they
    resemble "the hag in the night"--dreams of being suffocated, unable
    to breathe, pinched, crushed.  The reason these dreams are so
    profoundly disorienting is that while having them, if I concentrate,
    I can sense the "true" state of my physical body--lying still,
    breathing quietly and normally.  In other dreams (not of the Hag
    variety) when I've dreamed of physical discomfort, I've awakened to
    find that that part of my body featured in the dream had gotten 
    into an uncomfortable position.
    
    Marcia

    
    .18;
    
    I have often thought about that myself. It really does start to
    become a question of just what we really think reality is for starters,
    not to mention the infinitude of other questions.
    
    peter
    
    

    I always dream in color; the better or more vivid ones include
    smell, taste, and sensations.  However, the dreams that include
    such vivid detail I feel border on the "paranormal"...Each one 
    comes complete with sound effects too!  Those are the dreams I
    often wish I had never dreamed.  There was one dream that I had
    where I woke up yelling and crying.  I was quite out of breath;
    and had been warned too...Supposedly, if I repeated any part of
    some of these dreams, something bad was going to happen to me or
    my family.  Wierd, isn't it!  The funniest one I've had was just
    recently...I was cold and wet.  There was no way to get warm or
    dry, no place to go...my water bed leaked that nite!
    
    Jean
    

       As I have talked of Lazaris, he has talked about dreams many
    times.   I have put hsi descriptions in 358.74.
      
    Frederick
    

    Does anyone know what blind people dream about?  Or what "form"
    the dreams occur in?  Would they then also meditate the same way,
    do you think?
      
    Frederick
    

    Reply to .23
    
    The husband of a friend of mine is blind and she and I had this
    discussion about what he dreams.  She says that his dreams are those
    of sounds, feelings and tangible touch.  He's been blind since birth
    so he doesn't `see' any forms in his dreams.
    
    She once described to me a nightmare he had.  Their son was crying
    far in the distance and Darrell was trying to get to him.  He was
    surrounded by strange sounds and voices screaming at him from all
    around.  He would periodically trip and stumble over things trying
    to get to his son Joseph whose cries he could only hear.
    
      Made me think.  It seems that people's usual dream state is their
    current state.  I've known deaf children whose dreams don't have
    sound.  But then I wonder,  if someone used to have sight, but through
    some accident or illness currently couldn't see, would their dreams
    still have pictures?  Same with sound?
    
    --  Tracy

    re: .25  Tracy
    
           Interesting...food for thought.  Thanks.
    
    Frederick
    

    
    RE: .25
    
    Your reply reminded me of a question that was asked to a group of 
    people who spoke English as a second language.  They were asked what 
    language they dreamed in.  Many had been here a good portion of their 
    life and were very fluent in the English language.  All responded that
    they dreamed in their native language.
    
    Joanne                               

RE -1 (Joanne)

>    .......  All responded that
>    they dreamed in their native language.
    
Do I really dream in a language? I am not sure. I *do* remember I had nightmares
back in the time I was learning English, where everybody around me spoke
english, and I was stammering, couldn't make myself clear: aaarrghh! 
(the same happened in the time I was learning Polish: now *that*'s a nightmare!)
:-)
But these are only dreams where language explicitly played its role. In the
"usual" dreams, I found out I can *recall* them in several languages, but how
hard I concentrate, I don't know which one, if any, was used in the dream.

So if you ask me, I would reply: "Do I dream in any language *at all*?"

Arie

I think, for the most part, our dreams "borrow" symbols from our waking
life and everything in the dream is an internal "feeling".  We don't actually 
see, feel or hear anything (except for those cases when outside events
influence our dreams, such as the alarm clock going off and dreaming that
the phone is ringing).  When we dream in color, we don't see red, 
rather we experience the "feeling" of red as it is stored in our minds from the
actual experience of red in waking life.   For those with physical handicaps,
I susepect it's the same; their dreams use symbols from the collection of
feelings and emotions they have stored over the years.  If one is blind,
their colletion doesn't contain "images" like one with normal sight might
contain in their collection.

Terry

    I heard (a long time ago) about people, blind from birth, who were
    taken through 'past life recall' stuff (where they Could see) and
    they ended up really screwed up 'cos now they knew what they were
    missing....
    
    Anyone else heard of this?
    
    Brian

    Just another thought on the language topic,  I had a friend who
    was _fluent_ in Spanish, French, Greek and English (Father was French,
    Mother was Spanish, spent 1st half of life in Greece, and remaining
    in USA).
    
    She could jump between languages in a snap.  I asked her one day
    what language she _thought_ in. She said she didn't think in any
    language, she just thought. But whatever language was just how it
    came out.  I imagine that dreaming works the same way.

    Being myself a "mixed breed", and thus speeking fluently 6 languages,
    I can confirm that my dreams can be in any of the languages, depending
    upon the situation. 
    
    I got confirmation of this by the various boyfriends I had over 
    the years, because I usually talk during my
    sleep.  
    
    Eg.: If I'm home (Geneva) I will dream in English if the
    dream is about something at work, or in French if it's about something
    else.  But when I am on a trip to Italy (thus speak Italian at work
    and after work), I will dream in Italian. 
    
    Same thing for thinking: I think in whatever the language of the
    situation is. When I'm in Zurich, I'll think in Swiss-german.
    
    Although, whenever I write myself a reminder on anything
    (eg. shopping, things to do, etc) I mix french & english, picking
    the most adequate/convenient words of each language for what I want
    to say.  It's not confusion, but convenience.
    
    Ines

    
    I've just gone through the readjustment of thinking/dreaming in English
    again after three months in Italy. For the first week or two that I was
    there (a period which included a trip to Yugoslavia) I thought in
    English and translated to Italian, and dreamed in English. Then one day
    I started to talk to myself and did so in Italian - it was as 'natural'
    as thinking and speaking in English had been. Similarly, when I
    dreamed, conversations were in Italian, not English - regardless of
    the location of the dream. 
    
    I returned last week, and was still writing notes to myself and talking
    to myself in Italian until a few days ago, when English 'clicked in'
    at last. 
    
    Interestingly, during the time I spent in Italy, when it was necessary
    to speak another language (French, for example) I translated from
    Italian to French, and only rarely invoked English. 
    
    But then I'm convinced that I was Italian (more specifically, from
    Firenze) in an earlier life...
    
    Gloria 
    
    

    I was just thinking about the language dreams when I remembered that
    back in my college days when I was studying piano, music theory &
    composition, I started dreaming music.  I didn't dreaming music that I
    was familiar with or studying--it was all my own and it was all piano 
    music.
    
    In the morning I always wanted to write it down, but I couldn't quite
    grasp it.  Well, I guess its the world's loss, not mine. :-(
    
    Mary

    
    Hello everyone!
    
      I need someone to help me interpet my dreams for the past 3 night.
    Sun mon and tue night I have had different dream but the same
    encounters.  Sun night someone broke into our house and my husband and
    this person  began to fight, I reached for a gun and shot him. Mon
    night I had a few things I had to run to the store to get and when I
    got in my car someone put there hands around my neck and began to
    strangle me. I managed to put my hand on the horn and my hubby came to
    the rescue. Then tue night, My husband and I were riding our cycle and
    out of no where a car tried to run us off the street, we went off of a
    embankment and walked away with a few minor scratches.
    
    DO NOT FORGET THESE ARE DREAMS. But I do need to know what they mean
    and is someone trying to tell me something, or should I even be letting
    the bother me.
    
    All idea's and imput is greatly appreciated.
    
    Tammy
       

    
    Tammy... everyone I know is having wild dreams these days... many of
    them involve escape from danger.  The theme seems to be in the human 
    collective subconscious.  There is danger afoot.

    
    It's pretty common for women to have their husbands representing 
    their animus' in their dreams.  If you want more info on the animus,
    dig around in note 1043 (.12 or later).
    
    You might want to look at your relationship with your husband to see
    if these dreams are in some way symbolic of that situation.  For
    instance, the person that broke in and began to fight with your husband
    could be an aspect of your own psyche.  And as I said above, in the
    dream your husband may actually represent your animus.  So there could
    be an inner battle of sorts going on.  Granted there may be
    manifestations of this inner situation in the physical world, but I
    doubt you are in any real mortal danger.  
    
    Just my opinion,
    
    guy

    Thanxs for your input Guy.  It is greatly appreciated. 
    
    Tammy