Conference hydra::dejavu

    
    
    Welcome Roberto,
    
    There are a few noters who are interested in Astrology - check the
    following notes:  313, 292, 197, 151, and 29 - though there are
    other astrology references within notes dealing with other subjects.
    
    I have never seen any information on Digital's "birth chart", however,
    I would be very interested in checking it out too!
    
    Regards,
    
    Carole

    	I was not aware that non-living beings could be affected by
    the tenants of astrology.
    
    	Larry
    

    Re .2

>    	I was not aware that non-living beings could be affected by
>    the tenants of astrology.
    
    Anything that has a point of origin in time and space can be 
    analyzed using astrology ... particularly those entities that 
    are composed of living beings (nations, corporations, etc.).

    Terry

    Re .2:
    
    >	I was not aware that non-living beings could be affected by
    >  the tenants of astrology.
    
    1)  The tenants of astrology are the 12 signs and the various planets.
    ;-)
    
    2) If you accept judicial astrology, it ought to work on corporate
    entities as well as incarnate ones.  But what defines "birth"? 
    Date of organization?  Date of incorporation?  Date of first public
    issuing of stock?
    
    Hmm ...
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
                

    
    
    A chart can be cast not only for the event of a "human birth"..
    it can be cast for the "birth" of any event, a corporation, a
    nation, a relationship, a house, etc.
    
    We're moving to a new house within the next two weeks and I plan
    to cast a chart for the house at the point that the final paper
    is signed at the closing.  I will then look at the chart to get
    a feel for what the energy of the house will be like.
    
    There is a birth chart for the United States based, I believe, on
    the signing of the Constitution (I'm not sure if this was the
    document signing used - anyone else know for sure?), and current
    planetary transits to that birth chart can be tracked and analyzed
    to see how current events with be effected, as well as what the
    mood of the nation will be.  
    
    Zodiac signs are also connected to countries.  I am not sure
    how this was established, however an knowlegeable astrologer friend
    of mine was discussing in a class she gave that Capricorn "rules"
    India.  Almost to the day that the very slow moving planet Neptune
    entered the zodiacal sign Capricorn, the Bopal accident occurred.
    Neptune, among many other things, rules leaks of any type.  I just
    found that piece of information very interesting and stored it
    away in my memory.
          
    This type of astrological study is usually called "mundane astrology".
    
    Carole
    
    

    Mundane astrology probably predated the more familiar natal astrology.
    Natal astrology grew out of the "mundane" forecasting of the
    consequences of a significant event for a "country" (city/state
    actually) -- the birth of a new heir to the rulership.  This started
    to be applied to less and less important people until we arrive
    at the current situation.
    
    Their are astrologers who specialize in the area of corporate
    astrology.  Given DECs prominance I would be surprised if *someone*
    either at DEC, at one of its competitors, or one of its (potential)
    investors has not had it (*very* quietly) done.  I only vaguely
    remember, but I believe that for a corporation (as opposed to other
    types of business organizations) the "natal" horoscope is drawn
    up from the signing of the letters of incorporation.  Companies
    have been known to wait for an auspicious time for incorporation,
    or to formally disolve and reincorporate a company on the advise
    of astrologers.
    
    I would suspect that Marcia will be able to provide us with more
    information when she gets back and gets caught up.
    
    					Topher

    I have not closely studied the field of Mundane Astrology, being
    mostly concerned with what is now called Humanistic Astrology. 
    I have, however, often pondered the question of what time consti-
    tutes the "start date" of an entity like a corporation.  All the
    questions about date of incorporation, first shares sold, first
    product sold, etc., are interesting possibilities.  My guess is
    that most mundane astrologers base a company's birthdate on its
    date of incorporation.  I myself would be inclined to consider the
    date that work actually begins as the birthdate; this stems from
    the practice in casting a human being's (or animal's) chart for
    the moment of the first breath.  This is our first _act_ we perform
    as an independent entity; it seems that the first act a company
    performs in its intended business would be a similarly significant
    date.  There is also a practice that I've read about where charts
    are cast for an entity on all dates significant to it; by comparing
    and contrasting them, a mundane astrologer gets a more complete
    picture.  I've read a case history on the Titanic, for example.
    The chief dates that charts were cast for regarding that ship included
    the start of its construction, the laying of the keel, the moment when 
    it was pushed from drydock to the water, the date of its fatal voyage.
    All the charts (including those of its architect and captain!) were 
    badly stressed, in such a way as to indicate a lack of foresight.
    
    What would be interesting for study purposes would be to find out
    all the dates of the events mentioned in the previous replies: 
    date of incorporation, work starting, first shares sold, decision
    (by Ken) to form the company (although that would probably be a
    featured event of his own chart), etc.  What I'd want to do is cast
    charts for all those dates, then examine each in light of succeeding
    events to see which one seems to "hold up", or represent the
    corporation.  I bet that in any important chart for DEC, Jupiter,
    Uranus and Mercury would have been prominent.  Those are planets
    that pertain to technological industries, and especially computers.
    BTW, the Jupiter-Uranus square that I described in Note 313 (which 
    has been building since last fall) has had an interesting effect on
    our business, stock and media image, no?
    
    I got a good laugh out of thinking about Edson DeCastro or An Wang
    poring over our company's chart!  I suspect Steve may be right on
    that score, though.  I'd be surprised if it was not done at some
    time.  Wonder what birth date would have been used?
    
    Anyway, can anyone provide me with dates of the events I've mentioned,
    events in previous replies, or ones that no one has yet mentioned?
    This could be interesting . . .
    
    Marcia
    
    PS.  I did DEJAVU's chart and the date and time I used was the moment
    of the actual creation of the notesfile by Dave Stanley.

    
    
    
    Just to clarify -
    
    if anyone does have the date(s), please post the info here.
    I would like to take a look at the data myself at my leisure.
    
    Thanks, Carole
    

    Re .7
    
    > ...                             I suspect Steve might be right
    >on that score, though ...
    
    Well, it's a good thought, but it's Topher's, not mine.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    Oops . . . sorry about that.  I had reread the replies, but had
    not paid sufficient attention to the authors.
    
    Thx,
    		Madam Marcia
    		Sees All, Knows Some