Conference hydra::dejavu

    	Mr. Moderator, please put this note in Topic 27.
    
    	Larry
    

        Larry
    
        This note needs visibility in the directory in order to
        be effective, I realize that the UFO topic is Topic 27,
        but there is no sense in entering this if it is going
        to get lost in the schuffle.
    
        help, 
        Steve
    
        PS: If it is a major inconvenience let me know .
    
    
            

    	I agree.  It is certainly is no "inconvenience".
    
    	Larry
    

    Thank you,
    
    It is very much appreciated.
    If there was any other way I would have tried it.
    
    Steve
    

     
    
        I live in Harwood, Maryland just west of Annapolis.  Well anyway,
    on Wednesday the 11 I spent the night over my friends house out
    in the country.  It was about 6:30, when we were up in his attic
    when I said "Hey Tommy look out the window will ya" he asked why
    and I said just look.  He got up from his chair and looked out the
    window, he stopped and looked in suprise out the window.  He turned
    around to me and said "lets go outside and look at them."  We both
    rushed down the stairs and out the door.  When we got outside all
    I saw was about 15 objects that had lights going in a perfect circle,
    we both stopped dead in our traks and looked at the flashing lights.
    Within the next 3 hours we saw 97 of these lighted ships what ever
    they were go across the sky.  I ended up useing his 35mm to get
    photos.  I used up 6 rolls of film at 25 exposures each.  We are
    going to get the pictures in a little while.  If anyone saw the
    same please leave your replys here. 
    
                                            thanx,
                                            Robins
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

    	What color(s) were these lights?  How large did they appear
    to be?  How fast were they moving?  Did they make any type of sound?
    How far from the ground were they?  Did you and/or your friends
    feel/have any unusual experiences associated with this event?
    
    	Did the objects do any other "unusual" (non-aircraft) type of
    behavior?  Did they seem more like planes and jets or not?  What
    did the photographs show?  Did the newspapers tell of any other
    sightings?  I would think that with 97 objects visible in the sky
    for over 3 hours, somebody would have noticed them too.
    
    	Larry
    

                                 -< RE 304.6 >-
    
    Well there were many differant colored lights lights, but the one
    that appeared most was blue.  They appeared to be about 60 or 70
    meters across and about 90 meters long.  They were moving along
    comfortably at about mach 4.  They were close to about 50 ft. off
    the ground.  Yes they did make sounds, they sounded like a chopers
    blades as it takes off.  Well the only thing I can think of is that
    we were asleep just before we went into the attac.  Yes as a mater
    of fact one made a 90 degree turn I mean just like at an angle one
    minute he was going one way then the next he was going another no
    singns of a "regular" turn. No they did not seem like planes or
    jets or even helocopters.  The pictures turned out just like I had
    planed you can see the outline of the ship.  Yes in the paper the
    next day I saw an article on some people that saw U.F.O's right
    at the times I saw them and the same colors.  What do you think?

    
    NEWVAX::ROBINS contact VOLGA::S_FIRMANI or DTN: 241-4294
    
    Steve
    

    
>    that appeared most was blue.  They appeared to be about 60 or 70
>    meters across and about 90 meters long.  They were moving along
>    comfortably at about mach 4.  They were close to about 50 ft. off
>    the ground.  Yes they did make sounds, they sounded like a chopers

    What do I think?  I think they should have blown out your eardrums,
    not to mention all of your windows.  Those are impressive figures;
    but how did you mention them?
    
	-Neil

    
    Please......This note is for the REPORTING of UFO sightings only.
    For discussions on this topic please see Note 27.0
    
    Thank you,
    Steve Firmani
    Moderator
    
    

    Steve,
    
    How about a sighting that occured 9 years ago?
    
    My wife and her sister had an experience in Dracut, Ma. that everyone
    still questions at family gatherings.
    
    
    
    Jim LaTouche

    	Please describe it.
    
    	Larry
    

        I had my first UFO yesterday.  Unfortunately, it wasn't a very
    impressive one but it impressed me enough to contact officials at
    San Jose International Airport (followed later by a return call
    from an FAA person.)
        I was working outside my door yesterday at around 11 A.M. when
    I was suddenly aware of a whistling sound (as a projectile fired
    from a gun might make.)  I had enough time to look up (my body was
    pointed northward at the time) and over my head approximately 50-100
    feet up, an object about the size of a medium-sized dog flew past.
    It was traveling at approximately 100 mph nearly horizontally (actually
    it was dropping at about 5-10 degrees.)  It proceeded in a straight
    line for about 200 yards or so before it disappeared behind
    trees.  I did notice that it was dark colored (brownish or gray)
    and also that it appeared to be "tumbling."  It was not smooth shaped
    but instead looked somewhat like a bunch of knotted rags.  It whistled
    the entire path of its flight.
        I happen to live in the Santa Cruz mountains at an elevation
    of 2900 feet.  I have very few neighbors and most of my locale is
    park land.  I sit on the flight path to San Francisco International
    Airport (for aircraft flying from the south, e.g. Los Angeles).
    I also sit approximately 20 miles from the Pacific Ocean.  My immediate
    thought was that something fell out of an airplane (which is why
    I called the airport.)  The problem with that though is that even
    though airplanes fly roughly 2000 feet above me, by the time an
    object reached me it would have a nearly vertical trajectory.
    Additionally, the object was flying north and the S.F. airport is
    northwest.  If a big gun had fired this thing from nearby, I would
    have heard it.  Anything fired from the ocean would probably have
    had a more vertical trajectory also.  The officials I spoke with
    reported nothing unusual had occurred to their knowledge.
       I am disappointed that it didn't have lights and that it wasn't
    several football fields in size and yet this is, thus far, 
    unexplainable.  The thought of a bird came up.  This is still
    a possibility...however, it whistled like a projectile, it had
    no wings, it flew at roughly 100 mph with a tumbling action, it
    flew straight and almost level.  It made no sound upon impact
    (that I could hear.)  Anyway, I got to thinking, what if it were
    an "alien ship" of some strange type?  Someone I know suggested
    that it might contain intelligent insects (insert smile, here.)
       Next week I will attempt to locate it, the problem is that the
    terrain is steep, wild (rattlesnakes, poison oak, etc.) and thick
    in foliage.  I can pinpoint it within an area about 200 yards square,
    though.  
        (The was no smoke behind this, either.)
         So much for this "mini" ufo.
    
    Frederick
    

    re: -.1
       Believe it or not, I asked myself those same questions.  I know
    reasonably well what my eyes are capable of seeing (usually) and
    it "felt" like the object was I described...for example, a baseball
    can travel as fast as 95 mph (or thereabouts) and it gets pretty
    hard to focus on at that speed.  It is quite small, however.
    A dragster can attain a speed of about 200 mph (while you are
    behind a railing watching it go by) and it, too, is hard to focus
    on.  It is quite large (relative to a baseball,) however.  So, again,
    my sense was to say that it was perhaps going at a rate of speed
    that the baseball could be (also determined by the time it took
    to impact the tree line...a distance which can be measured or 
    estimated.)  Since I looked up and could get a "Sense" of color
    and a "sense" of tumbling (due to watching shadows revolve, I 
    think) and also do to the whistling sound and the sense of time
    involved for the sound to stike my ears in juxtaposition with 
    the image that hit my eyes, I was able, once again, to sense or
    guess or estimate it's altitute.  Based on that, and also since
    I was able to track it for a few moments and could see its size
    relative to the trees it was heading for, I was able to estimate
    its size.  Amazing what the human computer can do, huh?
      
    Frederick
    

RE: .15
    
    Frederick --
    
    I'm afraid I'm going to have to take all your estimates of speed/size/
    distance as perceptual illusion.  I know the sense of distance was
    quite distinct, but that is the nature of such illusions.  Yes,
    the human computer does amazing things, but it does it by making
    convenient assumptions and then finding contradictions.  An object
    of unknown characteristics at a distance of greater than about
    30 feet, suspended in the air, cannot be judged as to its distance.
    Unless you actually saw the trees effected or distinctly occluded
    by the object, your sense of the object "heading for the trees"
    also cannot be relied on.  Unless their were a number of distinct
    visual events consistently associated with distinct audio events
    (e.g., flash-boom sequences) the audio cues are also not reliable.
    
    People frequently describe meteoretic fireballs in very similar
    terms to your event, though they actually are taking place on the
    fringe of the atmosphere 100 miles up (no I'm not saying that's
    what you saw, I'm simply using it as an example of how easy it is
    to fool the human perceptual apparatus in this kind of situation).
    
    It is reasonable for you to feel that your perceptions were accurate,
    but I cannot accept them as such.  A sense of distance is based
    on information and on assumptions as to how to interpret that
    information.  Nothing you have said leads me to the conclusion that
    you *could* have had sufficient information to judge the distance
    and thus the size and speed.
    
    					Topher

    
    RE: -.1
      
       I will search for the object tomorrow and/or Wednesday.
    
       If I find it and it turns out to be the size I described, will
    you buy me a tofu dinner, Topher?
      
    Grins,
    Frederick
    

    As long as I don't have to eat some too.  This is one of those cases
    where I hope I'm wrong -- I'd love to know what it is you saw. 
    Keep in mind when searching, though, that an unusual object in the
    region you search won't necessarily be what you saw.  Back before
    meteorites were considered real by the scientific community, and
    for a while afterwards, after a meteorite fall, people would bring
    in fossils, ancient coins, old stone tools, etc. convinced that
    they were what they had seen fall.
    
    When you go hunting for the object, bring a notebook and pencil
    or a portable tape recorder (or both, you may want to sketch), and
    a camera, preferably with a selection of lenses, also bring some
    clean jars which you can put soil samples or whatever into.
    
    Good luck.
    
    				Topher
    

    Fredrick,
    
    I was reminded of you and this note late last week while I was
    (re)watching "... The Holy Grail".  The part where the French man
    was catapulting barn animals over the castle walls at King Arthur
    and the knights - are there any French owned castles in your area???
    
    Marion

    Things are getting really strange in the UFO community Fredrick...
    lots of things might be happening soon.. then you and I can rent
    a video camera and capture the expressions of the faces of the skeptics
    for posterity_:-)  
    
    Then again,... if nothing happens, ... we can write funny commentaries
    underneath the pictures and sell them to the National Lampoon.

    PARE, Fredrick (etc) -
    
    I was not being a skeptic.  Lets revisit the reply that Fredrick
    entered:
    
    
              The size of a medium-sized dog ... it was
              dark colored ... and also ... it appeared
              to be tumbeling.
    
    To be honest, Fredrick, I give you credit for not trying to make
    this siteing sound like a mystical experience as so often happens.
    In doing so, however, the scene as described does resembele
    that Monty Pithon skit.  The reply did not strike me funny when
    I read it, but when I saw the movie a few days later, I laughtd
    'till I figured I'd split! 
                          
    Marion  (who_does_so_believe_in_UFOs) :^)

    RE:  laughs!...there were quite a few in the last several...
    very good!
      
     
       Marion, you actually have the most "logical" explanation as
    far as I am concerned.  It is hard to see my 51-year-old pediatrician
    neighbor loading up his old hand-me-down catapult and firing off
    his even older, used rags over my head.  And that's about what would
    have had to transpire for a catapult to have been involved. (enter
    grin and puzzlement symbol, here.)
       I spent an hour and a half this morning searching what I felt
    was the area into which I observed this "unknown projectile" descend.
    The temperature was 90-95 degrees and it hasn't rained in over three
    months (typical California summer, that) and the flies played their
    parts really well and the scrub oak did it's best to fulfill its
    role.  All-in-all, it was yucky!  I had to laugh at Topher's
    suggestion when I just read it because it was all I could do to
    hang on to the machete I had with me.  There are vertical drops
    of 40-50 feet in the terrain I was in and enough leaves to slip
    down such a drop...very impractical area to carry expedition supplies
    to.  From the ground I could not see too well into some of the trees
    but I could spot what I believe to be lots of quite large bird nests.
    I found myself looking for feathers (in the belief that what I saw
    was somehow a bird) but I found nothing in my sojourn of interest
    (except some ancient beer can I never heard of with bullet holes
    in it and three returnable Pepsi bottles.)  So, Mary, I would be
    more than happy to go into that area with my Camcorder (we don't
    even have to rent one) with you.  I don't know who would be interested
    in the video tape we could make besides the Dejavuers, do you?
    (enter the grin symbol of your choice, here.)
         And, best of all (?) Topher, I saved you a dinner (and I would
    rather have a pizza, anyway.)  
         I give up, I think...I will just have to let it be a mysterious
    event in my life for which I will never have found a suitable 
    explanation.
         (Hey, maybe Topher and Marion and Mary and I could share a
    pizza and Monty Python and laugh at medieval ufo's.)
      
       I really would like to find a ufo and I have not ruled this event
    out as having that potential...maybe the next time it will be less
    frustrating.
      
    Frederick
    

    I'm up for it.  In fact I even taped that movie.  I'll have to be
    the one with the tofu dinner, however (good little vegan that I
    am!).
    
    Marion

RE: .23
    
    By the way Marion, was that "good little vegan" or "good little
    Vegan"?  Have you let something slip? :-) :-)
    
    				Topher

    	Frederick might just be right about that dog-sized UFO!  Read
    HYDRA::DAVE_BARRY Topic 345!
    
    	Press KP7 or SELECT to add the Conference to your Notebook.
    
    	:^)
    

    Now *that* would be telling!
    
    Actually, the "E" in Marion is silent!
    
    (E)Marion
    

    For those of you who would like to report a UFO sighting or
    experience and do not wish to undergo open questioning please
    send a summary of your sighting to VOLGA::S_FIRMANI. It will be
    handled with confidentiality.
    
    Steve F. (State Section Director, Middlesex County,Ma...Mutual UFO
    Network)

        You know, I don't know if I would *really* do this or not,
    but I would like to believe that if I had intimate contact with
    "aliens", and they did me no harm, that I would never contact either
    the media or the "government."  I think I would attempt to establish
    a rapport and to let a few of my intimate friends know and that would
    be it, for a while.  
        First thing you know people would be hovering and gathering
    with all the latest military hardware, there would be cries of 
    world endings or messages from tv ministers telling us about the
    Satanic invaders or some such. 
        I reported a "quasi" UFO a few months back, but it wasn't
    significant enough to warrant the kind of discernment that I speak
    of above.
             
        Anyway, the gist is that I would encourage people to think at
    least twice before "reporting" anything.  I wouldn't hesitate to
    ASK things of "sources", however.
     
     
    Frederick