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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

292.0. "House division systems?" by CSC32::KACHELMYER (Dave Kachelmyer) Wed Jan 28 1987 02:05

    In my astrological studies, I've noticed that there seems to be quite a
    few house division system about.  I've read up on several, and was
    impressed with the complexity of the basis for some, if nothing else.
    I'm curious as to the house systems preferred by others, and thought
    I'd start a little survey here: 

        What house division system(s) do you use and why? 

    The one I use (Koch) is quite simply the one that my astrologer used at
    the time I became interested in astrology.  So much for sophistication.
    :-)
    
    Kak
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292.1Time-Based Systems For MeNATASH::BUTCHARTFri Jan 30 1987 13:0479
    I have liked what _The Astrologer's Companion_ calls the "time-based"
    systems.  That category of systems includes Alcibitius, Placidus
    and Koch, Koch being the house system of my personal preference. 
    
    Time-based house systems base the house cusps on the length of time
    it takes at a given latitude, longitude and time of year for each
    sign to reach the zenith (the perceived "straight overhead" point,
    as opposed to the Poles).  This can mean that at higher latitudes,
    (above 40 degrees) some signs never get to the zenith, especially
    at certain times of the year.  Those signs will be called
    "intercepted" when they appear in a birth chart, meaning that no
    house cusp crosses any degree of them.
    
    People who don't like the time-based systems are often those who
    don't believe in the concept implied by an intercepted sign pair.
    The face-value implication is that the particular energies of the
    signs have no "place" in the person's life and are therefore out of
    the picture, so to speak.  I have also read theories that the
    intercepted signs represent energies that were misused/mastered
    (take your pick, depending on whether you feel the laws of karma
    count up only the bad stuff on you, or also include the good) and
    so are "missing" from the lesson plan of this incarnation.  (This
    one sounds a tad goofy to me, too.)
    
    My own personal experience with intercepted signs is that they:
    
    (1)	do indeed represent energies that have no "formal" place for
    	expression in a person's life, since no house cusp crosses them,
    
    				BUT
    
    (2)	they seem to assume a greater importance because of this,
    	particularly if important planets (Sun, Moon, chart ruler, etc.)
    	are "trapped" in the intercepted signs.  In most of the Placidus
    	and Koch charts I have studied the energy of the sign pair 
    	tended to influence all areas (houses) of the person's life,
    	precisely because there was no single place the people felt 
        "natural" expressing it.  The other effect I've seen is that
        the areas of life where the signs are trapped have two possible
    	modes of energy expression--a conscious one indicated by the
    	signs on their cusps, and an unconscious one, indicated by the
    	signs trapped within.
    
    (3) If there is any "lesson to be learned" in this incarnation that
    	the intercepted signs have to teach, it has seemed to me that
    	it involves becoming conscious of the trapped energy and learn-
    	ing to consciously apply it to all areas of the life.  This 
        is made easier by not having any single area of life that the 
    	energy can be applied to.
    
    So, because I think intercepted signs are a valid concept, I feel
    the time-based house systems have validity.  I had my first charts
    read by astrologers using the Placidus system; I began using Koch
    after reading Robert Hand's _Planets In Transit_.  He felt that
    the Koch system was superior for timing of transits, especially
    gauging when an important planet was going to enter a certain house.
    Working with my own chart (and increasingly with the charts of others)
    has borne this out.
    
    I, too, would be fascinated to hear the experiences of any others
    who use other house systems than the time-based ones.  The two other
    kinds are the quadrant-based house systems (Equal House, Porphyry)
    and the space-based systems (Campanus, Morinus).  I plan this year
    to try visiting a few astrologers who use systems other than the
    time-based ones for a reading.  I am not a mathematical genius,
    and tend to weigh a system based on whether practical application
    seems to show it to be "true" in the greater percentage of situations.
    
    It may be that for my own work, I will eventually adopt a "3-way"
    system, computing a person's chart from one of the 3 types of systems.
    Thus, each chart would have a set of quadrant-based cusps, time-based
    cusps, and space-based cusps that I would study and blend for an
    interpretation.  It may also be that (yaaah) the correct house system
    to be used for an individual depends on that individual, just as
    which therapeutic system/theory/methodology works best seems to
    depend on the individual.  It's an interesting problem to consider
    how to figure out which house system to use for a person!
    
    Marcia