Conference hydra::dejavu

    
    It was equally bizarre in my neighborhood.  A hodgepodge of quarrels,
    towed cars, upset plans and unexpected glitches for practically
    everyone I know.  Must be some strange electro-magnetic virus going
    around or something.  
                        

    Since posting .0, I asked around and discovered one of my associates'
    sisters broke up with her boyfriend and one of the secretaries broke
    her engagement.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    I don't want to be the wet blanket, but I had a very relaxing weekend.
    We didn't leave the house except to go to the store.  One thing
    strange happened though.  I was about to cross a stream near our
    house and slipped on some moss.  I fell about three feet onto some
    rocks.  I still don't know why I didn't break something.  It's as
    if there was one "safe" place to land and I hit it.
    
    		Dave

    After reading the base note and replies, I got curious and looked
    up planetary positions in the ephemeris.  Jupiter is in the sign
    Pisces now and is in transiting square aspect to Saturn, which is
    in Jupiter's own sign, Sagittarius.  In addition, Mercury in its
    own sign Virgo was squaring Neptune in Capricorn over the weekend.
    
    As to what all this might mean, let's see:  Jupiter and Saturn are
    said to represent opposite energies.  Jupiter represents expansion
    and growth, Saturn represents crystallization and contraction. 
    The ancient astrologers did not believe them to be "on good terms"
    with each other, even when in favorable aspect (like sextiles or
    trines).  My own experience says that they can be extremely powerful
    in a good way when in favorable aspect to each other, but when they
    are either in Square (like this weekend) or in Opposition they are
    capable of producing considerable conflict.  When the conflict takes
    place on an internal level it sounds something like Bill Cosby's
    story of how the coach used to get them all excited and hypered
    before a game and then they all ran for the field and the locker
    room door was locked.  In other words, Jupiter wants to be free
    and exhuberant high-flying and Saturn wants to bring Jupiter down 
    to earth.
    
    On an external level, this can manifest as fights in relationships,
    where the Juperterian partner is chafing at the bit, and the Saturn
    partner wants to put on the brakes.  If there is an imbalance
    between freedom and responsibility it can result in relationships
    ending.  Saturn is also said to rule the skeletal structure.  Broken
    bones, you say?  Jupiter also rules long distance travel and has
    some rulership (with Uranus) of aviation.  Plane crashes certainly
    bring one down to earth.
    
    I don't know about the other aviation accidents referred to in the
    base note, but it certainly seems that the California crash was
    a case of mixed signals.  (Crashes of two planes close to an airport
    usually are.)  The Neptune-Mercury square seems to have a bearing on 
    that.  Mercury rules communications and Neptune is about the mistiest 
    energy in the zodiac.  Fortunately, the fog will not last long--the 
    transit is already passing off.
    
    I totalled my car under a similar transit; I was hit edge-on in an 
    intersection by a drunk driver (Neptune is said to rule poisons, 
    including alchohol).   Since I was also lost and exhausted and driving 
    at night, I'd call that a mutual mis-communication.  We both blundered 
    into the intersection at the same time.
    
    The mis-communications can also aggravate relationship problems,
    as we all know.  One office friend of mine had continuous fights
    with her boyfriend until Monday, when they managed to sort through
    the flotsam and begin to figure out what was going on between them.
    They are also still together, partly because neither of them view
    fighting as unnatural and because they genuinely love each other
    and are going through the phase where you work things out.  They
    are greatly motivated to work it all out.
    
    My weekend was great.  We (well, my husband, anyway) chopped out
    and rebuilt the sill beam in our foundation under the front door;
    it had almost completely rotted away.  And we went into town to
    see the fireworks Saturday and had a nice dinner with friends on
    Monday.  I did have an encounter with my own soul that could have
    been interpreted as traumatic, but came out fine because I took
    the time to understand what was going on.  And I bought some wonderful
    stones on Saturday--a rose quartz, three azurite/chrysocolla cabs,
    a humongous, beautiful quartz crystal that I swear, weighs a
    pound.
    
    A final, interesting detail to consider is that Saturn is 
    currently sitting in between Pluto and Neptune, which are 60
    degrees apart in Scorpio and Capricorn, respecitvely.  This makes
    it a sensitive releaser for planetary placements opposite it in
    Gemini, since a person with a planet in 3-5 degrees of Gemini, who
    is now having Saturn opposing that place by transit, will get added
    energy from both Pluto and Neptune.  This might also "over-energize"
    Saturn, and make the current Jupiter square that much more sensitive.
    A very good time for inner journeying and finding out what is truly
    real is my feeling, if you have such a transit happening in your 
    chart.  You will be better able to concretely manifest (Saturn)
    your inner power (Pluto) and spiritual, intuitive self (Neptune).
    A magical time.  Stay away from the chemical means, however.
    
    Marcia

    I'M not superstitious but !!!
    
    As I was cutting the grass on labor day my tractor appeared to stall.
    When I tried to start it I found that the engine would not turn
    (budge).  Turns out there was not a drop of oil in the crankcase
    and the thing siezed up! What was strange is that I keep it well
    maintained and I don't know where the oil went (no leaks, etc).
    I lucked out, when it cooled down I was able to free it and get
    it running again. Seems to be OK!
    
    also,
    
    My next door neighbor took his family for a trip to Walom park and
    his he lost a head gasket (and head) on 495 on the way home. Wasn't
    his lucky day either I guess.
    
    All in all labor day wasn't bad, but I choose to remember Aug-23
    as my unlucky day when I -
    
     a. towed by boat to Quinsigamond and found I had transmission fluid
        all over the undercarriage of my blazer, then -
     b. hit a rock and destroyed my $90 prop in an area of the lake
        I'm (thought I was) familair with, then -
     c. On the way home hit the neighbors dog while driving down the
        street.
    
     ---- there have been better days ---
    

    I went visiting out of town this weekend.  Everyone that I had planned
    on seeing, with few exceptions, were for some reason mysteriously
    unavailable.
    
    Fortunately, the person I was staying with was a exception.  However,
    during the course of the weekend, he had a minor traffic accident,
    and got a speeding ticket.  This sould have been enough misfortune
    to last several years.
    
    At the end, I missed my flight, through no fault of my own, as I
    should have been their over an hour early, but another strange set
    of circumstances prevented that.
    
    Kathleen

    re: .1
    
    I consulted my I Ching, Mare, and it said "Beware of Irish (persons)
    who come from Fitchburg" on Labor Day. :-) Hmmmm...what does that
    mean???

    re .7:
    
    >I consulted my I Ching, Mare, and it said "Beware of Irish (persons)
    >who come from Fitchburg" on Labor Day. :-) Hmmmm...what does that
    >mean?
    
    It means you've got a _wierd_ I Ching set. :-)
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    My Labor Day weekend was uneventful.  Realize that not many people
    will both to mention uneventful weekends, so this method of sampling
    isn't very rigorous.
    
    Earl Wajenberg

    
    
    Well, we had a great weekend... went to the cape, ate
    fish and potatoes barbequed over an open fire, took in 
    a few beaches and camped out the night.
    
    Didn't get caught in traffic on the way home cuz we left
    early Monday.
    
    Bob
    

    I was at the World Science Fiction Convention over the Labor Day
    Weekend.  My flights were uneventful.  It was a good convention
    and I had a great time.  I did a lot of "flying" since I stayed
    at the Atlanta Marriot Marquis, which has a 50+ (53?) story atrium
    and glass elevators.  There were some elevator problems, but they
    were due to continual overloading and idiots with cigarettes setting
    off the smoke alarms (which causes the elevator to stop until reset)
    -- par for the course at a large SF convention.
    
    There were many opportunities for accidents, since convention
    activities were held in two large hotels (the Marriot and a Hilton)
    which were separted by a major artery.  No one was injured, as of
    the last convention newsletter (Monday morning).
    
    The only "bad luck" was unseasonal rain -- something which I doubt
    that the Atlanta natives considered ill-omened.
    
    				Topher

    re .13:
    
    What were three Philadelphis police officers doing in Merrimack,
    NH?
    
    That would be _some_ vendetta!
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    Interesting Note:  I decided to party in NYC. Took my jeep and
    left Boston for NYC. Between Friday (on the way to NY, and Monday
    on the way back) I ended up with a sprained toe, a slight case of
    foold posioning and an infection from a razor cut. I finally ended
    up back to work on Thrusday. This has been one of the worse weedends
    since my Viet Nam days.

    I had a pretty decent weekend.  I hadn't planned anything other
    than cleaning.  Then a friend showed up, unexpectedly, and asked
    for help cleaning out her old apartment -- she was moving to a
    new apartment, and her previous landlord was hassling her about
    not cleaning the place up enough.  She also mentioned that her
    new place was, so far, without gas hookups.
    
    Straightaway my boyfriend and I grabbed brooms, mops, a vacuum cleaner
    and other instruments of destruction and went over to the apartment
    to help clean.  Following this, we grabbed an old Hibachi grill sitting
    in our garage, some frozen shad, and bought some champaigne at a
    local store.  (This could have been a disaster by itself, since
    they sent me in to buy, and I don't usually drink!  But the store
    clerk was happy to steer me right.)  We brought a Walkman and some
    teeny speakers plus a few tapes.
    
    We had a great cookout, even if it was a very minimalist affair.
    
    So what can I say?  The variables (adding up to "good" or "bad"
    or "weird" weekend) are obviously well hidden.
    
    Pat
    

    Well I hade a bad Laborday week.  Truk died.  Piched nerve in neck.
    Stressed out by Ford dealership. Rained all week too.  Bought some
    software for my home computer that I had been waiting for months to
    get my paws on and it turns out to be trash.  Had to ride to volleyball
    practice in the rain on my motor just to find everyone going home, the
    janitor was kicking us out.  Is there no humor in this world???
    I must live in the wrong neighborhood.  Yeah, that's what it is.

    No, not weird, just an Irish version of I Ching!

    If I'm not mistaken, there was a new moon mid-week after labor day.
    They say that the build up and fall out periods can be pretty
    stressful.  On a much more personal level, it would be interesting
    to look at your astrological birth chart (if you have one) and see
    in which "house" (the sector of life) this occurred in and if it
    aspected any "natal" planets (where the planets were when you were
    born).
    

    Re: .20
    
    What you mention is the whole key to reading transits.  The planetary
    motions and aspects in and of themselves do not affect everyone
    the same way, and this is because of the unique configuration of
    each person's natal chart.  Lunations, both new and full moons,
    do seem to "stir people up", especially on an emotional level. 
    I have become aware of how often people in my office report more
    intense dreams, better dream recall, etc., at the time of the
    lunations.  But still, lunations by themselves don't mean as much
    as if you know what House they occur in each month and whether or
    not they aspect any planets in your birth chart.
    
    Marcia

    Re lunations, etcL:
    
    Rather than start a new note, let me ask an equivalent question
    to the base note.  The past couple of days, particularly 1-3 November,
    I've noticed a great deal of tension and irritability among those
    I've been associated with.  
    
    Is this something the rest of you've noticed, or is this just in
    my circle of friends and associates?  I note the Moon has just passed
    its new phase...
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    I've read somewhere that, for some reason, the end of October/beginning
    of November is a bad time for clinical depressives.  That is, at
    this time of year there is a sharp "spike" in reports of symptoms
    among this group of patients.
    
    				Topher

    Boy oh boy do I see a difference in others to include myself.
    I was wondering if it was cause I was on pager and I was 
    creating the feelings that are affecting others around me 
    or if it was just "something in the air".  I don't think
    it's an isolated incident.  Have you seen the drivers out 
    there??  We are talking kamakazi drivers!  
    Any suggestions on how to calm down whats going on???
    

    The first step is in calming down ourselves.  I'm using a form of
    meditation.
    
    Calming can be contageous.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    
      Gee, I've stayed nice and calm.  Until; I heard the election results
    last night.
                                -- Herb    :^)

    re: .22 - .27
    
    I also noticed an increased level of energy and what I would call
    an "agitation" to everything.  The new moon was uncomfortably close
    to the small but powerful planet Pluto in the sign Scorpio (which
    Pluto rules).  Pluto, among other things involves the will, and power, 
    and the need to control.  This makes for a highly intense and emotional
    duo, and based on where it falls in your own natal chart would define
    the area of your experience that was involved.  In my own chart,
    it occurred at the end of the sixth house (work, duty, everyday tasks)
    and the beginning of the seventh house (partnerships, relationships, etc.)
                                     
    Marcia, we could use your insight here!
    
    Carole
    

    I went from having a great time on the 31st to a blah time on the
    1st to a terrible time on the 2nd.  My wife, my daughters, and myself
    all were in a nasty mood on Sunday.  
    
    		Dave

    	Are you sure this isn't mass suggestion?  I mean, if you can
    convince a group of people about something, they all tend to go
    along with it.
    
    	I do not mean this is with everyone at once, but with each group
    within the group.
    
    	Larry
    

    Re .30:
    
    Frankly, I was only partially agitated; my wife was _very_ agitated
    (not directed at me, thank goodness).  I can't ascribe the level
    of tension I experienced to suggestion.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

I on the other hand had a wonderful week end. I had a party on Saturday
night, and it was one of the best I've ever had. It was a very mellow and 
pleasant evening al'round.

Sunday I cleaned house and did chores, unpleasant, but no unusual.

-vicki

    

    I had a lovely weekend.  Relaxed, pleasant; Elspeth (my 5-year-old)
    was as well behaved as she's ever been.  Not a spot of tension
    all weekend.
    
    	-Neil

    Being a Taurus, I am particularly sensitive to this time of the
    year, which is *Scorpio*, whose theme is "harmony through conflict".
    Every year I wish I could just go into retreat and skip all the
    tension. 
    

    On the 1st of November Mercury came to its station; on the 2nd it
    went retrograde in Scorpio.  I had occasion to look this up because
    I was on a trip to England.  The trip was wonderful but was plagued
    by every mechanical failure imaginable, in the airplanes I flew,
    the equipment in the classroom I was teaching in, cars, schedules.
    
    These are all classic Mercury-retrograde symptoms, according to
    mundane astrologers.  If you are normally into swift
    mental/communicative interactions, these periods (there are 3 during
    a year) are bound to make you feel harassed and upset.  If, on the
    other hand, you are into more meditative, reflective and relaxed
    activities you may actually enjoy the retrograde periods because
    they are tailor-made for reflection and slow, gentle mental activity.
    They are also times to revisit important decisions, to "rethink"
    things and decide what to do when the planet goes direct again.
    
    I found the information interesting about November being a peak
    depression time.  That is usually when we get one of the 3 Mercury
    retrograde periods.  I'll have to follow this one up.  Thanks.
    
    A word, too, about the sign that Mercury is in right now.  Scorpio,
    the sign of emotional power.  A lot of people may have insights
    into secret parts of themselves, into their complexes and obsessions,
    their feelings about power, sexuality, death, et al., that can be
    profoundly disturbing for some.  This is enough to bring on _lots_
    of depression and irritability.  For those of you dealing with
    irritable, depressed people at this time, keep in mind that what
    the person is "going on about" is probably not the real issue. 
    It's coming from some place deep within, has roots that you don't
    know about, and may have nothing to do with the real situation.
    For those of you who are feeling depressed and miserable, look beneath
    the surface for the cause.  What you learn at this time about yourself
    can ultimately be very healing.
    
    Happy meditations, everybody.  Just take it slow on the highways
    (Mercury also rules your local transportation efforts).
    
    Marcia

    Carole's note about the new moon in Scorpio that was practically
    conjunct Pluto has probably bolstered the effects of this particular
    Mercury retrograde period for many people.  As she pointed out,
    depending on where these two events (the lunation & retrograde Mercury)
    occur in each person's particular chart, each person will feel the
    effects in a different place in their lives.  To illustrate:
    
    The lunation occurred in my 3rd House (communications, conscious
    mental activity, local travel, day-to-day environment).  This house
    is also the house that Mercury is said to rule.  So it makes sense
    to me that this particular retrograde period is manifesting for
    me in a more classic manner than is usual for me, affecting my
    communications, schedules, computer equipment, mechanical devices,
    et al.  This has _also_ been a time of lovely emotional breakthroughs
    and insights into the self and a feeling of "shedding my old skin".
    For most of the year I feel I've been grunting and oofing (I wonder
    if snakes grunt and oof when trying to get their skins off), now
    I feel lighter and better.  I am _also_  remembering dreams with
    no effort at all (the 3rd house focus of the lunation is affecting
    this, I think).  The dreams are all primal, significant stuff from
    the roots in my own character, no simple "daytime reruns".  And
    I've had some very nice re-connections with people who I'd either
    lost touch or been on the outs with (the Moon & Pluto have to do
    with our connections to others).
    
    So my own instinct about this time is: roll with it.  If you're
    into meditative disciplines or relaxing, intimate connections with
    others, this may be a wonderful time.  If you are focused elsewhere,
    the energy pulling you into yourself may feel unwelcome and produce
    tension.  Good general advice is:  if something "isn't working"
    right now, this is good time to really study why, and make appropriate
    adjustments.  This can go for work, relationships, physical health,
    whatever.  One of the harder lessons that Scorpio has to teach 
    some of us has to do with going with the flow instead of imposing
    the will.  Where Scorpio gets its bad rep is from people's efforts
    to control the energy no matter what.  The old adage about "courage
    to change what I can, grace to accept what I cannot and wisdom to
    know the difference" applies here.  Now is good time to possibly
    acquire a smattering of that wisdom.
    
    (Geez, that rambled on.  If anyone has taken offense at anything
    I've said, please accept my apologies.  I was hoping to help and
    the wish was sincere.)
    
    Marcia

    	What did astrologers do before Pluto was discovered in 1930?
    
    	Larry
    

    They usually ascribed all the Plutonian traits (as well as Uranian
    and Neptunian traits) in a person's character to Saturn.  Poor old
    Cronos.  His rep took quite a beating for many ages before the other
    outer planets were discovered and the psychological principals they
    represent were separated from what we used to call Destiny, Karma
    and Just Plain Bad Luck.
    
    Uranus, Neptune & Pluto are said to "rule" the following signs:
    
    	Uranus		Aquarius	traditional ruler: Saturn
    	Neptune		Pisces		traditional ruler: Jupiter
    	Pluto		Scorpio		traditional ruler: Mars
    
    Some modern astrologers still consider these traditional rulerships
    of the above signs when reading a person's chart.  Certain authors
    hold, for instance, that since Mars is what is called a "personal"
    planet that it will have a more "personal" effect on someone than
    Pluto, which is considered by some to be a "generational" planet.
    
    For more discussions on Neptune & Pluto and their generational vs.
    personal influence, there's another note in this file, the number
    of which escapes me at the moment.  I'll look it up.
    
    Marcia

      I was thumbing through this notes file and this topic caught my eye.
    
    I remember when I was 5 years old, it was Labor day weekend and we (my
    family and I) were at an uncle's house for the day.  Things were very 
    funny that day, as small as I was I still remember.  My oldest brother,
    two cousins and a friend of theirs were leaving the party to drive to 
    Athol.  I had an intense crush on my cousin (who was 18 and extremely
    good looking) and pleaded with them to let me go along.  My cousin
    asked my mother and she said no.  I cried.  They left and I was sent to 
    bed.  I awoke approximately 1 hr. later with the most horrible pains
    in my left leg, like it had been severed.  
    
      It seemed that night my brother, my cousin (the one I was fond of)
    and the boy from Athol had been killed when the car hit a tree in
    Berlin.  I found out later that my brother had been mutilated in the
    accident.  I really hate Labor day weekend, since then.  
    
    Patti

    Oof, dejavu! I was also just thumbing through old notes and stopped
    at this one. Labor Day 1986 was rather upsetting for me. After huge
    quarrels with my parents (that had been brewing for months), I moved
    out of their house and headed my car for Worcester, MA. It was a
    big step for me, leaving the nest with no job, no future. All I
    had was a few friends in Worcester and my resume. 
    
    I went home last weekend and my mother happened to mention that weekend
    and all our fights. I'm glad she can chuckle at all the things I said
    back then. 
    
    But, what I surprise I had reading this note! By the way, my ruling
    planet is Mercury.
    
    - Lesley