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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

144.0. "Other Side of the Coin" by INK::KALLIS () Tue Jun 03 1986 15:42

    As noted earlier in the discussion of charlatanism, that there's
    a lot of junk out there -- things that are sold to the gullible
    like "sure fire" fetishes for acquiring (usually) money, (often)
    love ("love" often being defined as sex), asnd the like.  These
    are what I call "junque" [meaning "high-class trash"].
    
    Something a bit more serious are outright fakes that victimize clients.
    It's one thing to sell someone a gold-plated miniature incense burner
    for $10.00, claiming rubbing it will bring the owner [whatever];
    it's quite another thing to cause a gullible person to spend lots
    of money to be victimized.
    
    According to Sturgeon's Law, 90 percent of everything os crap; he
    was conservative in psychic matters.  However, my  corollary is
    that those that make the loudest noise about their supposed powers
    are those most likely to be frauds.
    
    I'm establishing this note to discuss fraudulent events and techniques.
    
    As I've said elsewhere, it's okay to have an open mind, but not
    so open that one's brains fall out!
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
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144.1"Spirit Photography"INK::KALLISTue Jun 03 1986 15:4821
    To kick things off, a small entry on "spirit photography."  It isn't
    as common as it once was, but during the spiritualist movement,
    there were numbers of self-proclaimed spiritualists who would use
    photographs to bolster their claims.
    
    One dodge they'd use would be to take a film that already had an
    expopsed plate on it and use that to photograph a subject.  The
    pre-exposure was of a "spirit" taken against a black background,
    and the resulting double exposure would suggest that an "invisible"
    spirit was caught by the camera.
    
    Stage magicians quickly lerarned the trick, and often would foil
    such attempts by removing the photographic plate to be used and
    reinserting it in upside dowm.  The "ghost" figure then would alweays
    be inverted.
    
    Double-exposure used to be done in a darkroom; now it's more likely
    to be done beforehand.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
144.2A matter of emphasisBRAT::WALLISTue Jun 03 1986 20:2412
  < I'm estabilishing this note to discuss fraudulent events and
  techniques.
  
  The only thing that stands out for me  in this note is the negative
  tone of it - keeping in mind that focusing on negativity
  often is in itself fuel for the fire (this is in no way ment
  to endorse avoidance of any kind)
  
  It will be interesting to see if in fact balance can be a part
  of this note - or even if it's desired.
                                  
  - Lora
144.3No HostilityINK::KALLISTue Jun 03 1986 20:3123
    re .2:
    
    This note was not meant to be "negative"; rather, it's to separate
    out the wheat from the chaff.  
    
    Coupla points:
    
    1) Anyone reading the notes and replies should hardly call me
    closeminded.
    
    2) The only way to find the reral gold is to throw out the fools'
    gold.
    
    There have been fascinating books written on the subject of fraud.
    Some are strident and emotional (James "The Amazing" Randi's _Flim-
    Flam!_ being a good example), others are calmer (Houdini's _A Magician
    Among the Spirits_, for instance).
    
    When you're exploring uncharted territory, it's good to find out
    where the traps are.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
144.4Not So Amazing...PSGMKG::MCCAYThu Jun 05 1986 20:5823
144.5The Purpose of This Note ....INK::KALLISThu Jun 05 1986 21:0513
    Re .4:
    
    I certainly don't excuse all of Randi's actions, but he also
    illustrated how some people can fall for easily faked items.
    
    Houdini's interest was to get rid of the junk, niot to discredit
    all serious investigations.
    
    As noted before, if we're going to try to investigate the wheat,
    we have to get rid of all the chaff.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
144.6Just musing . . .NATASH::BUTCHARTFri Jun 06 1986 13:0630
    One of the great difficulties of telling the "psychic" manifestations
    from the "physical" manifestations is that it seems _very_ rare
    that one works completely without the other.  Uri Geller's spoon
    bending came under great fire by Randi, because he pointed out ways
    in which the spoons could be weakened, the strength of hands, etc.
    But in another note in this file, I was fascinated to read of some
    experiments that one of us was conducting in staff meetings regarding
    psychic activity.  They tried spoon bending after doing mental focusing
    exercises and were astonished that when they "put their minds to
    it" it was easier to make their bodies bend the spoons.  This, BTW,
    is a phenomenon known to every weightlifter and body builder.  All
    books and articles you read on strength training stress the need
    for mental muscle applied to the exercises as well as physical.
    The body-building pros all state that you can contract muscles harder
    and longer if you mentally focus on the muscle and envision the
    weight being lifted by the power of that muscle.
    
    So what to conclude?  What I believe is that the union of body and
    mind is much more powerful than either one alone.  That mental and
    emotional states influence our strength and health is getting talked
    up more every day--especialy by those who study the immune system.
    And any physical culturist can tell you how making the body more
    fit can greatly influence your mental and emotional strength.  I
    guess that some respond more strongly one way, some another.
    
    So, while Uri may not accomplish his psychokinetic feats via mental 
    effort alone, perhaps Randi is actually more "psychic" than he thinks!
    I wonder how Randi would react to that one?
    
    Marcia
144.8Ahem!INK::KALLISThu Jul 24 1986 15:1430
    <sigh>
    
    It's taken about six responses to get this startted back on the
    track.
    
    Folks --
    
    Let's admit that there asre those who exploit credulity for their
    own ends.  Kathleen indicated Voodoo in another note as a sort of
    institutionalized example.  There are gypsy scams such as the curse
    (shown by an egg with a "devil" in it -- courtesy of a little sklight
    of hand) where "cursed money" is supposed to be cleansed by a ritual
    and burial (by the time the "client" digs up the box/sack/case with
    the money "undergoing purification," the gypsies involved are long
    gone); the money is "magically transfoermed" into cut-up newspaper
    [guess it _was_ cursed! ;-)].  There have been the spiritualist
    scams where a grieving [usually] widow or parent is confronted with
    the "spirit" of the "departed" and told to give a large endowment
    to the medium who "brought the spirit back" to the victim.
    
    All this junque:
    
    1) gets in the way of serious research, and;
    
    2) lowers the credibility of nonfraudulent reports.
    
    Let's try again, huh?
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.