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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

140.0. "THE TALENT" by KRYPTN::RENSING () Fri May 30 1986 15:42

    Ah, my first "WRITE".
    
    I have read much, not all, of what is contained in this conference.
    MANY of the notes touch on the topic that great care must be taken
    when dealing with many of the topics (magic, tarot readings, etc.),
    especially if one has THE TALENT.
    
    Therefore, my question here is: How does one know if he or she has
    THE TALENT.  Does one need to have tried to perform something first?
    (if so, I find this very dangerous, for it seems that those with
    THE TALENT must take even greater precautions than others.)  Or
    is it something one can tell by real-world experience.  Do things
    such as (possible coincidences, of course) being plagued by a dream
    of an evacuation at work complete with fire trucks, ambulances and
    police cars, and arriving at work to find such things (except the
    evacuation) hint at THE TALENT, providing, of course that there
    is more than one experience of such things?
    
    Perhaps this is discussed in another topic that I missed.  If so,
    could someone refer me to it?  Your help/comments are appreciated.
    
    Regards,
    Aislin
    
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140.2Several Ways...INK::KALLISFri May 30 1986 17:397
    Re .1:
    
    Finding a reliable psychic is one way, perhaps the easiest.  Possibly
    if you make the Gathering tomorrow (31 May) you'll run into one.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
140.3Thanks!KRYPTN::RENSINGFri May 30 1986 20:2520
    I suppose that in the first note I may have sounded very interested
    in finding out for myself if I had the talent.  However, I'm not
    sure I really meant it that way.  Even if I found out that I had
    it, I'm not so sure I'd try and nurture it.  I'm easily frightened.
    
    What I did mean to do, however, was to open up avenues to others;
    people who may have had the same question and not yet expressed
    it.  I kept wondering, many people here are talking about a thing
    called "the talent", yet does everyone really understand what others
    are talking about?  It seemed to be a question that was just "asking" 
    to be asked!
    
    As for .1 and .2, thank you so much for your information.  Perhaps
    I even may try to find a psychic and see if I do.  My dreams of
    things to happen in the future that really do happen soon after
    are really too infrequent to make anything out of, but who knows,
    right?  I'm certainly not as good at it as .1!
    
    Regards,
    Aislin
140.4Astrology, The Talent(s) & FearNATASH::BUTCHARTMon Jun 02 1986 16:3664
    Being the file's astrology student, I'm now having the pleasure
    to look at the birth charts of people who are involved in some sort
    of psychic related activity.  A common thread that runs through
    the charts I've seen is strong Neptune or Pisces energy.  This emphasis
    on Neptune and its sign can appear in a number of ways:  some have
    Neptune in strong aspect to the Sun, Moon, Mercury or the chart
    ruler, some have Neptune for a chart ruler (this means that the
    sign Pisces is on your Ascendent), some have Sun, Moon, Mercury
    or the chart ruler in Pisces, some have Neptune conjunct one of
    the chart angles, some have most of their planets in the Piscean
    decanates of the signs in which they're placed -- my list is expanding.
    
    Neptune is the energy that wants to expand the ego beyond your self-
    constructed barriers to include the universe (which can spread you
    pretty thin!).  It is said to rule all states of consiousness other
    than our normal waking state, which includes the dream state,
    meditative states (alpha and theta) out-of-body experiences, even
    mental disorders rising from a dis-integration of the personality.
    On the negative side, it also rules the physical means (usually
    poisons like drugs and alchohol) that we use to try for a "shortcut"
    to those exalted states of consciousness.  It is probably no accident
    that some of the world's religions use drugs to reach the other-worldly
    state.
    
    The interesting detail I find emerging in the readings is being
    able to figure out who most needs the precautions, the protective
    rituals, a guru, an external anchor.  Some people's strong Neptune
    is not "anchored" internally, not connected by aspect to the planets
    that represent the stronger, more self-directed energies in the
    soul, like the Sun, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter.  It seems that these
    people will most benefit from psychic safety precautions.  And it
    also seems that the birth chart is one way to determine one's sensi-
    tivity.  What I am trying to evolve is a consistent way to distinguish
    between pure Sensitives and Practitioners (i.e., magicians, sorcerers).
    Haven't made any really strong correlations yet, but I'll certainly
    enjoy the research.  My intuitive feeling is that the Sensitives
    have the greatest need for protections, in that they may be unable
    to apply their wills to controlling the stimuli they receive.  This
    seems somewhat contrary to the more common belief that those who
    are practitioners of some kind are in greater need of protection
    because they venture into the dangerous areas by choice.  If I were
    a skydiver, I'd certainly learn how to pack my chute!  But the skydiver
    only needs to worry about his chute when (s)he's up there; someone
    who has, say, a respiratory sensitivity to pollutants must be more
    consistently vigilant to be sure they obtain pure air--every day.
    
    About fear:  there are many types of psychic experiences, and if
    they involve somehow invoking outside forces, I would indeed feel
    cautious.  But I have lost my fear of the whole host of psychic
    experiences that relate to _interconnections between people_.  This
    includes knowing that another person is going to call (and (s)he
    does), knowing precisely what gift will please a person without
    having subjected the subject to exhaustive analysis, the spirit
    presence often reported with a loved one's death, the instinct that
    causes one to rush to the other's aid without knowing anything is
    wrong (but something is), the ability to know a person's deepest
    self through the tools of astrology and Tarot, the ability to see
    people's auras, to pick up on vibes . . . and the list goes on.
    Perhaps the only caution regarding the Interpersonal Talents would
    be to be _very_ aware when your own strings are being pulled.  Knowing
    thyself is a very good place to start (as was pointed out in the
    Magic note).
    
    Marcia
140.5More on NeptuneNATASH::BUTCHARTMon Jun 02 1986 17:025
    Oh yes, I forgot to mention this.  Dave Stanley had me draw up a
    "natal chart" for DEJAVU.  It has Neptune conjunct its Ascendent.
    _Very_ appropriate for a file dealing with psychic phenomena.
    
    -M-