Conference hydra::dejavu

The phenomena do not require "haunting" in terms of departed spirits.
Please see the note "detecting a presence."  There are various phenomena
that could produce the effects you describe.  Lack of teenagers mitigates
against poltergeist phenomena.  Feline sensitivity suggests a discarnate
entity of some sort, but the exact nature is unclear.  A bit more of the
history of the house might be elpful.

Steve Kallis, Jr.

This sounds like a classic haunting, and I would say that there is a good
chance that you've got the genuine article.

A naturalistic explanation, probably more than one,  *is* possible, however,
and only a careful investigation would resolve the issue.  I don't present
this alternative to dismiss your story: both alternatives must be considered
open.

The explanation that occurs to me?  (Glad you asked.)  Vibrations, such as
can be caused by "water-hammers" (air in the pipes) would seem to be able to
explain most of it.  Both sub- and ultrasonics can cause the psychological
effects including uneasiness (human and feline), nightmares and a sense of
"presence" (much of our feelings of "people" being in a room comes from
subliminal hearing).  The fall of the ceiling and the various forms of
"knocking" would have a similar origin.  Psychics tend to be people who are
more effected by "unconscious" influences (both psychic AND natural), so this
would explain both your friends greater discomfort and association with
flames.  Odor is probably the least conscious of the major senses, and
charring as extensive as you say would leave an unconscious clue for your
friend which would probably literally be available for centuries.

As I said, I don't know whether this explanation is true, or whether what
you've got is a true haunting, but it's a great story.

	Topher

Ray,

        go for the screenplay, and get a movie version out for next Christmas.


    seriously, I would write down 5 of the most vivid scenes that you remember,
and expand on them, developing the conversation as best as you can while 
remaining true to the characters. It would not only help in the discovery of 
something larger than life, it would help you retain the memory of that time 
in your life. Kinda like a diary, only more detailed.



later,

stu

RE: .3

The usual explanation for the uneasiness (and illness if sustained) that
subsonics causes is not in terms of brainwaves, but in terms of the resonant
frequencies of various body organs.  The exact effect would depend on the
precise frequency (which organ(s) get shook), duration, envelope (e.g.
any pulsation) and intensity, as well as circumstances (emotions tend to be
interpreted on the basis of environment, the perception of the house shaking
would be likely to make a large difference in how you reacted to your small
intestine being shaken).  Although it is less well documented, ultrasonics
just above the hearing threshold also seem to be able to cause discomfort
and anxiety.  Your familiarity with the subjective experience of subsonics
does, however, considerably decrease the probability of this explanation being
correct.

The only phenomena that you described which doesn't fit this explanation is
the stereo being on (I assume that it didn't have a bad switch, to your
knowledge, that occasionally turned on or off when thumped).  Were there other
phenomena which don't fit this theory?  One of the problems in investigating
hauntings and poltergeist phenomena is a shift in peoples interpretation of
events.  Once weird things start to happen, they start responding to events
by saying "there's another one", rather than "gee, I forgot to turn the
stereo off."  Furthermore they become more sure with time about the abnormality
of a particular event: this is an intrinsic characteristic of human memory,
not a personal weakness -- we remember models of events not the events
themselves.  I am certainly not saying that this is what happened in this case
(I still think that this is an excellent candidate for a true haunting, whatever
that is), but HOW sure are you that you didn't leave the stereo on?

			Topher

 If  it  weren't for the stereo I would say this was a fairly classic haunting 
 story, in so far as the manifestations all  sound  like  the  replay  of  the 
 previous tragedy (supposing there were one).
 
 A fairly common explanation of this type of thing is that a moment of extreme 
 emotion (violent death, or injury, or even a  near  escape  from  burning  to 
 death,  as  this might have been) somehow impregnates itself on the fabric of 
 the scene.  I have heard this thoery referred to as the "stone  tape" theory, 
 in  that  the  stones  record the emotional events in the way a tape recorder 
 records sound.
 
 The Stereo however doesn't fit that pattern: it is closer  to  a  poltergeist 
 phenomenon. Are you sure you didn't forget the stereo?
 
 I wonder:  the  events  grew  steadily  towards  a  crescendo  (in  that they 
 eventually drove you away, or contributed to your leaving).   This  implies a 
 more  active  malevalence  than  implied by the stone tape theory; almost the 
 presence of an "evil spirit".  Could someone subconsciously have  been trying 
 to drive you out (the landlady, or one of her relatives?)
 
 /. Ian .\

If this really is a case of an "evil spirit," a psychic sensitive could be
very useful to detect it.  If an Indian burial ground was involved, it's
also possible that the tribal shaman put a defensive mechanism in linkage
with the location, and the odd happenings are manifestations of that pro-
tector: if so, the "spirit" needn't be evil.

Steve Kallis, Jr.

    What is it that "haunts" haunted houses?  Actual discarnate entities,
    or just powerful energy fields from intense experiences?  I suppose
    that some cases could be one or the other.  I've had no experiences
    with classic hauntings, but have felt the oppression/aura of a house
    lived in for a long time, in which many had lived and died.  I never
    felt that there were actual presences there, but more like the "soot"
    that would be left all over everything after something like a fire.
    
    Marcia

    There is more than one possibility.  They may be the souls of the
    dead who either don't want to leave for one reason or another, or
    haven't realized that they are dead "you know, it all happened so
    fast".
    
    The second possibility is that the former occupants have left their
    aura in the place.  It works on the same principle that some psychics
    use to tell about a person through an object that was theirs (a
    piece of jewlery, clothing, etc).  Depending on the type of person(s)
    involved this can be either pleasant or unpleasant.
    
    Another possibility is that they are some other type of being, such
    as elemental spirits, demons, angels, or the like.
    
    Kathleen

    RAY,
    
    	I'm from westborough ( i grewup in the town )
    
    	where in westboro is this house ?
    
    	the indian theory is very possable. Indians occupied westboro
     
    	near most of the lakes and rivers, and i my self have had the
    
    	same feeling  and happenings at my home, lights on, stereo on
    
    	tv on. as the youngest in the family i was blamed for these happenings
              
    	until one night when in no way i or anyone else turned on or
    
    	left on all the lights in the house. my father and mother
    
    	had no idea about this happening. the house was all locked up
    
    	no one entered the house thru a window or door. the police said
    
    	it look as if no one had forced open a window or door and nothing
    
    	was taken or moved , just the lights were all on.
                             
    		why did this happen (do sprits need lights on ?)
    
    
    
    			chris fields

    
    
    	I grew up very near south st. . I always felt an eerie feeling
    in the area as a kid and when i visit my mom's home i still feel
    it ! It was good to hear that others felt this feeling and had some
    experiences like i've had.
    
    		chris fields

    	It seems the spirits have stolen the origanal note.
    I am from the area and would Like to read the original
    note if It's still around.
    
    

    Re: .14
    
    The author must have deleted the note.  Maybe he/she will read your
    response and get in touch with you.
    
    		Dave

    ray
    
    what is the street number on south st ?
    
    chris who_understands_westboro_oddities

    A recent note reminded me of an experience I had when I was in high
    school.  There was a place in Whittier, California called Turnbull 
    Canyon.  The road leading up into the hills was not heavily 
    travelled, but was a popular place for kids to go parking...and 
    exploring (since it had an eerie reputation).

    There were many stories, but most of them spoke of members of a 
    Satanic cult who might be seen on the road just before dawn, and
    it was said that they had killed cats and dogs as sacrafices.  
    There was also a story about a murder, and once when my boyfriend
    and I were caught "parking" on a hill in that area, the policeman
    told us that it was a dangerous area because another couple's car
    had been pushed over the edge while they were parked, and still
    inside.  Who knows.

    There was a very strange house at the top of the road.  Some
    people said it was vacant because no one would buy it.  Others 
    said that a dwarf lived there.

    Being a curious and adventurous person towards the unknown and
    haunted houses, I drove through Turnbull Canyon several times with 
    friends...as we attempted to see something unusual.  The street 
    light shining on the house was green...which added to the weird 
    look of the house...and no other street lights were that color.  
    We always viewed the house from our car, and shined a flash light 
    or our headlights on it (when we went at night).  There were no 
    other houses nearby, and no way were we going to get out of the 
    car...even in the daylight.

    This house was very strange.  It was one-story, very oddly shaped,
    and looked like it was made out of adobe.  It was all white, and 
    the windows were oddly shaped too and you couldn't see through them.  
    There was a large adobe block/partition standing several feet in 
    front of where I would assume the front door was located, and on it 
    was painted a large black pot.  There were also some words that we 
    had trouble reading, but some words we did make out were "Olde...
    Kettle".
    
    The front yard reminded me of a cemetary.  It was dark, had some big 
    unusual shaped stones jutting out of the ground, and the house and
    yard were completely surrounded by a tall black iron fence with 
    points on top.  We never saw any light, or signs of life, coming from 
    the house in all the times we drove by to look at it.

    One night, we had a real scare.  There were three of us girls, going 
    to check out the house.  I think we drove by once and turned around to 
    shine our headlights on the house better.  As we came back by (seconds 
    later) there was a dummy propped up against the fence!  It was dressed 
    in clothes and had no legs.  It looked grotesque.  There was NO ONE 
    else around, and nowhere nearby that anyone could have been hiding.

    We all screamed and went speeding by in terror, and as we passed by,
    I saw a large black dog, which looked like a doberman, behind the 
    fence.  (I had never seen a dog there before.)  We very quickly turned 
    the car around to get a better look (in our moment of terror :^)) and 
    see if we could catch anyone playing a trick on us.  It took only a 
    few seconds for us to turn around, but the dummy was gone, and so was 
    the dog!

    I guess we conjured up the excitement we were looking for!

    Hope you enjoyed that story,

    Jerri

    Ray -
    
    How long did you stay there?  Was the rent very low (as if the landlady
    had a hard time renting it, and provided a reason to put up with
    "oddities")?
    
    Just curious - I know it would be hard for me to move from a nice,
    cheap place because of bad feelings and things I couldn't really
    prove had happened.  (At least it would have been hard before I started
    reading this notes file)!
    
    
    					- Sarah
    

    
    This isn't an experience that happened to me but a story about a
    house that my mother lived in when she was a little girl.
    
    My mom lived with her mother and 7 brothers and sisters on the first
    floor of a two family home in E. Templeton, MA. (I believe that
    is where the house is)  The owners were a woman named Mae and her
    husband.  Mae was a confirmed lunatic.  She died her hair purple,
    green, pink, etc.  and chased her husband around the house with
    a butcher knife.  She would often try and break into my grandmom's
    apartment too, so they would have to put the washing machine and
    other large pieces of furniture in front of the door to prevent
    Mae from coming in.  But the one main thing that Mae did was that
    EVERY night before going to bed, she would walk around her apartment
    and slam every door.
    	Mae died a few years back and the house was sold.  To this day,
    the couple that bought the house and people that have visited there
    have heard, late at night;   door slams.
    	Even after she's died, Mae is still crazy.
    
     

    I find "haunted houses" very interesting. I grew up in Santa Barbara,
    a town with some very old homes. My aunt lived in a 100+ year old
    house. The first time I ever went over to my aunt's house after
    they bought it, I got the feeling that it was 'evil'. I don't know
    why, but most of the family felt uncomfortable there. Although my
    aunt never reported actually seeing a ghost, there were a lot of
    very strange things going on. Such as lights going on by themselves,
    stereos going on, etc. My aunt does not where any sort of makeup
    or perfume. However, in one spot in the master bedroom, it was always
    'cold', and you would get a strong whif of flowery perfum. My aunt
    was convinced that a old female ghost resided there. 
    
    I know it is not a very exciting haunted house, but I was always
    facinated by it (Although I refused to ever spend one night there).
    

RE: .23
    
    In contemporary a "poltergeist" is an apparent "spirit" which
    accompanies a particular person or group of people, as opposed to
    one (a haunt) which is associated with a place.  If the phenomena
    did not accompany your aunt and uncle to their new apartment it
    was not technically a poltergeist.
    
    An irony (perhaps deliberate, perhaps just sloppy) of the movie
    Poltergeist is that it did not involve a poltergeist -- it involved
    a haunt.  They even carefully explained the difference.
    
    				Topher

    The association with adolescents as the "focus" of poltergeist activity
    is strong but not absolute.  Certainly in a case such as you mentioned,
    ones first suspician as to the identity of a presumed poltergeist
    focus would be the adolescents.  But not all foci are adolescents.
    There's one case where an investigator found a classic poltergeist
    scenario.  A thirteen year old son, forced to be the "man" of the
    family because of the desertion of the father.  He was confidently
    identified as the focus.  As usual, after a few weeks or months
    the activity died down.
    
    Then, a few years later, it started up again.  It would seem that
    when her son went away to college, the mother once again felt deserted
    and betrayed and ...
    
    The only way to establish exactly who the focus of poltergeist
    phenomena is, is to establish who is present at all (actually, for
    technical reasons, most) manifestations.
    
    The association of poltergeist with emotional difficulties
    (specifically alienation and repressed anger) is a very attractive
    and plausible theory, but has not really been established.  The
    problem is that, almost by definition, *all* adolesents suffer from
    alienation and repressed anger.  If you look for it, you will find
    it.  There does seem to be a pattern, including in the cases where
    an adult is the apparent focus of activity, but its real easy to
    find patterns where there is only randomness (its much safer to mistake
    a bunch of random shadows of leaves as the stripes of a tiger than
    vice versa).
    
    Although poltergeists are generally harmless (other than the emotional
    turmoil they cause), sometimes the pranks can get quite viscious.
    If the "repressed anger" theory is correct, than the purpose of
    the phenomena is to hurt and disrupt.  Generally, haunting phenomena
    are also harmless, at least physically, so one really can't distinguish
    on that basis.
    
    In any case, my point was (and you'll note that I described it as
    a nit) that *as described* (i.e., the phenomena being associated
    explicitly in the description with a location) it was a haunting
    being described.  Clearly, only a careful investigation can
    definitively distinguish between the two.
    
    					Topher
    

    
    I only have one question why have notes 23.23 and 23.25, been set
    hidden?

    Answer: So we can't read them.
    
    Try sending MAIL> to the originator of .23/.25.  If it gets through
    you'll know it wasn't spirits.
             
    							Don
    
    P.S.  I think this conf. has more SET HIDDENs than any other three.

         I live in a haunted house now.  (I think?)
         
         It is a 150 year old victorian farmhouse of grand intentions
         and not much care until we moved in.  We are *slowly*
         (as time and resources permit) restoring/rennovating.
         We restore wherever feasable, rennovate where not.
         
         When we first moved in, we both would awaken every once
         in a while to lights moving across the bedroom.  We both
         attributed this to headlights of cars going by out front,
         since the master bedroom faces the road.
         
         We *did* notice that the closet door in the bedroom refused
         to stay shut, but you know old houses.
         
         Well, one night when I woke up to the light show, I realised
         that there was no engine noise.  Windows were open and
         you *can* hear cars very clearly at all other times as
         they cruise by.  So, I reached over and ever so gently
         (read that death grip!) woke up my husband.  He is one
         of those distressing people who wake up totally silently,
         no moad, no groan, no nothing...they just open their eyes.
         
         So, he opens his eyes and looks expectantly at me. (This
         had better be *real* good sweety...)  And I asked:
         
         "Do you hear a car engine?"
         
         "No?"
         
         "Well....?"
         
         As soon as we got up, the light went away.  We investigated
         thouroughly, even went outside, and found nothing.  We
         noticed that the closet door was open again.
         
         So, we experimented.  Closet hooked shut....you get some
         kind of a show.  Closet open...no show.  So, I started
         really lloking at the wall structure upstairs (we had
         only been working downstairs up until then) and I found
         that the original walls were knee walls that made up the
         back walls of the closet.  The straight walls that form
         the front of the closet (and room walls now) were definately
         much later construction.
         
         There *is* a *mild* cold spot in the back of the closet
         which I (to my embarassment...I am usually not this slow)
         missed when we bought the place. 
         
         She (yes someone finally saw her...not me, I talk to her,
         but I do not see her) has black hair worn up and a white
         day dress of the late 1800's type...no bussle but a bow
         affair riding the rump.  She also taps people on the head
         (gently in a friendly manner) if they sit in a certain
         place in the house.  We do *not* tell anyone where, since
         it would be impossible to tell if it were really happening
         if people knew what to expect.  She is pretty predictable.
         Sit there for more than 10 minutes or so and she will
         come and lean on the chair and pat you.  Sort of like
         she wanted to join in the social hour?
         
         She is altogether delightful.  We think she had a cradle
         in that corner of the bedroom and does not like to have
         it shut off from the rest of the room.  She also seemed
         much concerned over what we were doing to her house. so
         I told her.  I laid all the drawings out and held this
         (in retrospect somewhat zany) conversation with the air
         at large about what we wanted to do and she stopped the
         light shows altogether.  (We plan to put the knee-walls
         back into the Master Bedroom.
         
         About a month after I "revealed" our house plans to her,
         I had a dream about a rock garden sitting on the far side
         of the house.  The site was at that time completely over-run
         with bamboo and locust trees.  You had no hint that there
         was anything there but scrub forest.  But. being a trusting
         soul I went out with rakes and saws and uncovered the
         rock garden with winding paths and all.
         
         Several old-timers in town have remarked that they never
         knew there had been a rock garden at this house.  One
         gentleman was so interested (he is over 70 and never knew
         it was there...took as a personal affront I think) he
         went to the Historical Society to check on old photos
         of the place.  And he did find one, very old photo that
         had part of it in the picture.  At that time it was beginning
         to show signs of wear.  He can't get over it.
         
         We are currently looking for pictures of the woman and
         her husband who built and lived in the house first. (Actually
         her father built it for them)  I hope to be able to find
         out who she really is.
         
         Sorry this is so long, but this is an on-going thing.
         She has become part of the family, so to speak.
         
         Mel

    
    	haunted Houses...well, I sometimes think that my house is 
    	haunted, but I must say that I haven't had quite a 
    	"convincing" encounter as the ones mentioned beforehand.
    	Please permit me to tell my tale...
    
    	We've lived in our house now for about 11 years.  Over 
    	the course of these 11 years, we've had very odd things
    	happen.
    
    	To name just a few...my brother found a tombstone in our
    	attic.  Can't remember right off the top of my  head who
    	the name was on it, but it was still a pretty freaky thing.
    
    	And there have been a few times when my mom will be at the
    	kitchen sink (no one else home) and she will see a white 
    	blip go by.  Now, naturally it could be the sun filtering 
    	through a window somewhere, but...when the blip is preceded
    	by a definite sound of footprints walking up the stairs
    	it gets your imagination flowing!!
    
    	To give a few more examples, my whole family will be watching
    	TV in the living room and we can hear someone walking in our
    	attic.  Our attic is not a "junk filled I-can-hardly-walk-amidst-
    	all-these-baby-clothes" attic either.  It is very open and
    	big (my brother shoots hockey pucks against a fence up there)
    	so it could not easily be something that is creaking or moving
    	among all the clutter.
    
    	IF my house is indeed haunted, the spirit or ghost or whatever
    	is definitely not harmful.  Every so often she makes an
    	appearance in some sort of way, but for the most part she just
   	wanders through the house.  I have no idea who she/he is, 
    	why they're in the house or anything!
    
    	We have named "it" Elizabeth since upon our first arrival into
    	the house we had gotten calls for an Elizabeth.  Since our phone 
    	number didn't change when we moved (we never got the calls before
    	moving to the house), we couldn't figure out WHO Elizabeth was
    	supposed to be.
    
    	Anyone have any ideas or input??
    
    	/Kim
    

RE: .30 (Kim)
    
    Its not as odd as you may think for there to be a tombstone in an
    attic.  In times past (and frequently even today) if someone were
    ill and felt that they were likely to die, they would frequently
    make specific funeral arrangements -- up to and including ordering
    a tombstone and coffin.  This way they could feel confident that
    things would be according to their wishes and that they had saved
    their family the difficult responsibility of arranging for such
    things in their time of grief.  After all, even if they were to
    recover, the arrangements would be needed eventually.
    
    However, if they *did* recover, the coffin and/or tombstone would
    have to be put in storage -- in the cellar, the barn, the woodshed,
    ... or the attic.  The coffin would be unlikely to be missed later,
    but the tombstone could easily end up covered with miscellaneous
    junk and forgotten -- particularly under the circumstances of it
    being needed.
    
    So while definitely "spooky" from our modern death-isolating viewpoint,
    a tombstone in an attic is really not *that* wierd or "freaky".
    
    As to footsteps in the attic.  Old houses (and even many not so
    old houses) make many odd noises.  They don't need a lot of stuf
    in them to do so -- the wood just shifts, bends, creaks, pops,
    clicks, sproings, groans, clicks, etc.
    
    Phone -- perhaps an Elizabeth got a new phone number -- easily
    misdialed as yours -- about the same time as you moved.  I moved
    recently, and although our number didn't change, our lines were
    crossed for a while with a completely different number, so that
    we both got both of our phonecalls.
    
    Of course, you *could* have a resident spirit, and that spirit could
    be the explanation for the various anomalies you describe.  I'm
    just pointing out (as you probably already realize) that you don't
    *need* a spirit to explain them.  They are interesting, however,
    and it does "feel" like there is some kind of a pattern to them.
    
    				Topher

    
    
    	Topher (re: 31)
    
    	Thanks for the insight.  Those were just the few "experiences"	
    	that I could think of off the top of my head.
    
    	I guess one of the clincher's would be the day my brother
    	was in the living room and saw me walk into my mother's
    	bedroom.
    
    	There was a phone call for me, so he walked into my mother's
    	bedroom to get me and I wasn't in there.  He looked into
    	my bedroom and I was sitting there sure enough. I hadn't 
    	moved out of my room at all.
    
    	He did say that whoever it was that walked into my mom's
    	room was wearing a white nightgown with long brown hair.
    
    	...the calls.  We've asked what number they are trying to 
    	reach and they would say our phone number, so I don't think
    	it was a crossed line, but it very well could have been.
    
    	...the tombstone.  Well, to me, it doesn't matter how it
    	got there, it's still freaky to me!!  (shiver shiver)
    
    	Thanks again!!
    
    	/Kim
    
    
    

    
    There's a haunted house on the street I live on.  
    
    My roommate and I always thought it was strange that people would move
    in, and then move out within a few months.  They would always move
    out very quickly, too.
    
    I found out earlier this year that the house was built on the sight
    of a farm house, and that the people who lived there would hear
    the footsteps of the man who owned the land, and lived in the original
    house.  I also heard that other "strange" things would happen in
    the house, also.  
    
    The "For Rent" sign is down again.... I wonder how long the new
    people will stay there?  (I'm just glad it's not the house I live
    in!)
    
    Bye!
    
    Corinne
    

    
    Did anyone ever find out why notes .23 and .25 were hidden?
    
    Did the spirits take them or is it just that we are not old enough
    to read spooky things like that...if so why bother to put those
    sort of things in here at all!!!!
    
    If neither what was the reason as I'm now more intregued (sp?) by
    what happened to those notes than I am by haunted houses.
    

    Re .34:
    
    Set mode/moderator
    
    They were set hidden at the request of the author.  It has nothing
    to do with the subject.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    RE .29
    
    Mel,
    
    How is the house coming along?  Has anything else happended with
    your ghost/spirit?
    
    What about the garden?
    
    
    Still curious from reading the first time --
    	Tracy	:*)

    I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT IS CONTAINED IN NOTE 23.23 IF THAT ISN'T
    A PROBLEM? THANK YOU. 
    WOULD I RECIEVE REPLY BY EMAIL? MY ACCOUNT IS WILVAX::QUILL. FIRST
    TIME NOTER.

    I had a haunted house experience back in 1985.  I met a couple that
    lived out in Spencer Mass that owned an old victorian type house
    that they bought dirt cheap.  Well the story goes that in 1912 a
    very prominant family, the Proutys lived in the house.  A young
    woman named Maria Prouty had an affair with a man who murdered her.
    The newspaper (I have seen the archives of the murder that my freind
    retrieved at the Worcester Antiquarian Society) ruled it suicide.
    
       Well the family moved into the house, and a lot of strange going
    ons were happening.  Before I met the family, a year later I read
    about thier house in Jack Dempsy's column in the Worcester Telegram,
    so I had an idea what was happening.  They had a psychic (a famous
    one from Westboro MA) called "Ruben" come in and do a seance.  The
    house was haunted by by this spirit Maria, who is actually trying
    to get her story out that it was murder that killed her and not
    suicide.  She is not an evil spirit the family says, and the couple
    has communicated with her, through Ruben the psychic.  A book is
    in the process of being written that will tell the story.  Maria
    the spirit gave a messege to the couple, which is when the truth
    is out about her death..she will dissappear.
    
    My expierience?  Well we were invited to the house..yeah, it is
    a typical victorian house that has the "haunted appearence". A beauty
    it was though with lovely marble fireplaces.  Well first my freind
    showed me a photo that was taken of her daughter...well accross
    the photo was this yellowey filmy looking thing with two very distinct
    rays going through it that crossed in the center.  It did not look
    like trick photography or a double exposure, it was the spirit.
    Yeah...I turned a little white when I seen it....she told me it
    is called an "aura" and the rays are called the "solar plexis".
    A parapsycologist looked at the photo, and said it was a very good
    example.  Well that night they let us listen to the seance tapes
    that Ruben did, and it was the strangest, scariest thing I have
    ever heard, with all kinds of unusual noises in the background.
    My friends said it was pitch quiet when they done it.
        Well when we left the house..scared out of our wits, my husband
    went to start the car (which always starts on the first try), well
    we had a tough time starting it!  When I went home, I went down
    to my bedroom, opened the door, turned the lights on, shut the
    door...and would you believe...all the lights in the house went
    off for about two minutes (just in my house, not on the rest of
    the street)......to conclude...we have recieved many other invatations
    to visit these people...but we always make up excuses not to go!!
    
    Lynne S.

    But, while in the house, you noticed nothing yourself?...
                                                     
    						Don

    
    CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT SET HIDDEN IS?  I AM NEW TO THE NOTES FILES
    AND DEFINITELY NEW TO DEJAVU.  IF SOMETHING IS SET HIDDEN, HOW CAN
    PEOPLE REPLY TO IT OR THEM?  I AM SOOOOOOO CONFUSED.  I KNOW IT
    WAS A LONG TIME AGO, BUT CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN?
    
    WHAT IS IN 23.23 AND 23.25?  IS IT SOMETHING WE ARE NOT "ALLOWED
    TO" SEE?
    
    HELP.....................???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    

    Re .40: 
    
    >CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT SET HIDDEN IS?
    
    "Set hidden" means that either the author or the moderators have
    made the particular note or response unreadable.  This is often
    done because either the author has personal reasons for wanting
    to conceal the material, usually temporarily (otherwise the author
    would delete it), or the moderators have done so, either at the request
    of a conference member or because the note content may have something
    that is questionable under corporate policy.  "Set hidden" implies
    that some day it may be "unhidden."
    
    > I AM NEW TO THE NOTES FILES AND DEFINITELY NEW TO DEJAVU.
                                  
    That's okay; however, it's much appreciated if you correspond with
    upper and lower case.  Upper case only is called SHOUTING, and is
    rather rough on the eyes.
    
    Welcome aboard.
           
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    It's been such a long time since the last note!! Does anyone read this
    note anymore or am I the only one still interested in haunted houses??
    
    As much as I (since a small child) have always tried to convince myself
    that "there are no such things as ghosts" I have always believed in
    them anyhow.
    
    When i was very young my favorite aunt died suddenly of a heart attack. 
    The week after her death i woke up in the middle of the night to see a
    woman, who kind of looked like my mother, sitting on the end of my bed
    with a long flowing flowered dress.  I tried to ask her what she was
    doing there but she just sat and smiled at me.  I was so afraid that i
    hid my head under the covers.  A few seconds later i got the courage up
    to take another look, but she was gone.
    
    I asked my mother in the morning if she had come to my room that night,
    and she thought i was crazy.
    
    Awhile later we came across very old photos of my mother, grandmother
    and great-aunt(the one who died).  When my aunt was young she did
    indeed look somewhat like my mom.
    
    To this day I swear that was my aunt at the end of my bed.
    
    
    Three years ago my husband and I bought an old house, and since the day
    we moved in i was convinced we weren't alone.  The house is about 100
    years old.  A major part of the house was torn down years ago during
    reconstruction and remodeling.  the attic stairs used to be in the back
    of one of the closets, now we have a ladder that drops out of the
    ceiling in the hall.  I have heard many lumps and bumps coming from the
    second floor at night and always run up to check to see if one of the
    kids have fallen out of bed.  But everytime they are soundly sleeping. 
    I also very often hear the crys of a baby or young child.  There again
    I am finding myself checking on the children who are sound asleep. 
    Three days after we moved into the house my daughters "blankey" came up
    missing, (i put her to bed that night WITH the blanket), I tore the
    house apart looking for that stupid blanket and to this day it has
    never turned up, along with alot of our other belongings.
    
    We know quite a few people who have lived in our house previously.  I
    asked one woman what she thought about the house and she politely told
    me she didn't want to talk about it.  I met a girl that lives out of
    state now but used to live in the house about 10 years ago.  She
    brought up the subject to me the minute after we were introduced. 
    Neither of us have ever seen any thing but both have the same feeling
    of some other presence.  She also gave me a list of things that she had
    that were "lost" in the house and never found.  I find myself talking
    to the air and pleading with these/this spririt to return belongings,
    so far nothing has been returned.
    
    Maybe I have talked myself into believing this, I don't know. Some of
    our friends refuse to spend the night at our house just because of the
    stories I've told them.  I would love to actually see something
    sometime(for a sanity check).  I need to do some digging on history of
    the house and find out why half of the house is missing.  Hopefully
    i'll find some answers soon.
    
    lv

    Sorry, I'm in Toledo, OHio a far cry from Mass.!!
    
    As for losing things...maybe I'm prematurely senile!! But when you put
    something down and reach for it minutes later and it's gone...I don't
    know??!!  Believe me, I have torn my house apart numerous times in the
    last three years and have never found anything that came up missing.
    
    As for seeing things...I haven't really seen anything in this house.  I
    catch movements out of the corner of my eye ALOT!  For the most part I
    only hear things, (thumpings and bumpings).
    
    Could be an over active imagination though.  I have always believed in
    this kind of "stuff".  Actually I would like to think someone/something
    is there.  If it is, it sure likes our taste in clothes!!
    
    laura

    Hi all. I don't know if this qualifies, but it seems a pair of my
    daughter's sneakers were "haunted". When Amy was 4.5 years old, we were
    visiting her uncle in the White Mountain area of New Hampshire. On our
    last night there I took her sneakers off her to hanf them out to dry.
    She had worn them swimming that day. In the morning as we were packing
    to go home, we couldn't find them. Looking all over my brother-in-law's
    yard, they were nowhere to be found. I figured that some animal had
    absconded with them during the night and taken them into the woods.
    It wasn't unusual to see deer and even bear in his yard some evenings.
    An occasional moose also, never mind the small animals. Hmmm. Getting
    wordy here.
    
    When we got back home (about 90 miles away) and open the front door,
    there were the sneakers sitting by themselves on the living room couch,
    covered with dry mud from the river. True story.
    
    
    Phil

    Amy is one of us.  I mean she has the gift.  She did it. (albeit
    unknowingly)  I'll bet this isn't the only strange thing to/will
    happen around your family.  You should have an interesting life.:-)
    
    Mary
    
    p.s. Take good care of her... guide her well.

    
    
    	Alright, I've been trying to convince myself that there
    	are `non-ghostly' explanations for these things, but they	
    	sound so much like the past few entries, I'll add my story
    	here, too...
    
    	My husband and I moved into a cottage in january. The site
    	of the house is over a hundred years old, having actually 
    	been a `milking room' at one time, according to my grandfather,
    	who has always lived down the street from this house (he's 90).
    
    	At first my husband told me he heard someone rattling the 
    	kitchen doorknob, which must be done form inside the porch. 
    	After watching the cat stare at the door for a few seconds
    	(he thought it was me coming home) he went to the door, the
    	rattling stopped just as he got there, and there was noone
    	on the porch or the well-lit yard (it was night). I have heard
    	the door rattle at night with my husband there, maybe twice. The
    	cats always stare transfixed, but no one is there. hmmmm...I
    	spoke to the previous tenant and they never had anything happen.
    
    	Then, I was doing laundry in the cellar one day last week, and
    	when I came back several hours later to put it in the dryer, 
    	the lid of the washer was open. No one was there all day. How
    	did the lid get open? I felt as though I was being watched as I
    	put the wash in the dryer, but that could have been nervousness...
    
    	Lastly, my husband insisted one day that when he went to bed there
    	was only one pack of cigarets on the table, when he got up, there
    	were two. He had `misplaced' a pack earlier in the week. I thought
    	he just forgot that he had two, but is sure he didn't. Things seem
    	to go missing sometimes, but I've always attributed it to one of us
    	moving or misplacing it, they always re-appear....
    
    	So, I try not to beleive that the place is haunted, but I do 
    	believe in ghosts, etc....Any suggestions/comments???
    
    	Sherry
    
    

    
    From what you've said, there doesn't appear to be any malevolence
    present.  In some places the walls_between_the_worlds there are thin 
    and penetrable.  There is a definite attempt to establish contact with
    both you and your husband in a meaningful (to you) manner (assistance 
    to him in returning what had been lost/taken, assistance to you with the 
    washing chore/knowledge of your intent to wash).  The rattle at the
    door lets you know that you have company.
    
    Mary

    If "THEY" can step into our plane of exsistance there has got to be a
    way for us to get into and out of their plane trying to tie it all 
     together. and if we could get to their side would we be their ghost?
             Bill

    Bill .50,
    
    > and if we could get to their side would we be their ghost?
    
    Hmmmm....:-))  Why not...?  
    
    Perhaps there's a doorway in the dream state.
    
    great question,
    
    karen.*

    re 23.50
    
    Yes.  I think so too Bill.  
    
    Mary

    I have a question.  Can a new house that no one has ever lived in be
    haunted?  Let's pretend that the land that it's built on has no
    significant history - it was just a cow pature or something.  Is there
    a tie between a "ghost" and a dwelling, or is it the person/people that
    live there that is significant?  Or does it depend on the situation?  
    Just something I've been wondering about.
    
    Jennifer
    

    Ever see "Poltergeist"?
    
    Consider the land the dwelling was constructed upon and it
    enters the realm of possibility.
    
    Most of what I've read, though, indicates that changes in the
    environment, sometimes even minor ones, can inhibit the appearance
    of 'shades'.
    
    Richard

    re: .54 and the one before it.

    In the movie mentioned, "Poltergeist", one of the parapsychologists
    indicated that in a haunting the entities attached themselves to the
    dwelling and could "hang around" for a number of years.  Poltergeist,
    it was said, attach themselves to an individual and usually appear
    for a short period.

    I'm sure you'll get an expert description as soon as DEJAVU's resident
    spook-ologists (Topher and Steve) jump in :-))).

    Terry

    On the question of whether a ghost haunts a building or a person,
    I remember a couple of stories told to me by a Church of England
    vicar about exorcisms which he had been involved with.
    
    These exorcisms were done as a result of requests by parishoners
    of his, who had been experiencing feelings of a "presence". In order
    to do the job successfully, this vicar had to visit the people in
    their home, and try to understand the nature of these possessions
    (ie. hauntings).
    
    The details of the cases were not described to me, but I definitely
    remember that in one case, it turned out that the house was the
    "possessed" object, while in the other case, it was one of the
    occupants of the house who was the centre of the "presence". I do
    not know what the past history of either the buildings or the people
    were.
    

    Dave Hazel    

RE: .55 (Terry)
    
    That is essentially correct --
    
    A poltergeist (litterally noisy ghost) is associated with an individual
    -- usually but not always an adolescent, usually but not always under
    some form of obvious stress (e.g., parent's divorcing).  Poltergeist
    outbreaks usually last from a few days to a couple of months.  They
    are frequently faked or include fakery.  There is a fair amount of
    evidence (but less than a conclusive case) that the focus of the
    poltergeist phenomena frequently or always is repressing and denying
    anger.  Plausibly, poltergeists are not independent personalities but
    an outward display of the unconscious, suppressed anger via the human
    psi ability of psychokinesis (PK), and by more mundane, covert tricks.
    It is not clear that even when trickery is involved, that the agent
    is fully conscious of what they are doing or clearly remember their
    own actions.  There was a fad a few years back in parapsychology of
    refering to poltergeist phenomena as RSPK (Repeated Spontaneous
    Psycho-Kinesis); but this has largely fallen out of favor (it assumes
    what has not been proven, after all, that the focus is in some sense
    an unconscious, active agent, rather than, for example, a lure for
    troublesome spirits).
    
    A haunting, on the other hand, is associated with a specific location.
    They are frequently (but not always) of somewhat longer term duration
    (sometimes years and even decades or centuries) than poltergeist
    phenomena.  It is rather hard to generalize about hauntings and it is
    reasonable to suppose that they may represent a variety of different
    phenomena (excluding those produced by perhaps subtle "normal" events).
    Some seem to show at least some signs of active intellegence, while
    others seem to be some sort of non-intelligent "trace".
    
    There is no clearcut phenomena which occurs only in a poltergeist case
    or only in a haunting, but there are sort of statistical tendencies.
    Poltergeist phenomena tends to produce overt physical phenomena --
    objects flying through the air, or falling, things breaking, disruption
    of electrical appliances, loud noises which could plausibly be produced
    by physical means (e.g., things slaming together).  Hauntings, on the
    other hand, tend to be more subtle and subjective: feelings of chill,
    apparitions, relatively faint specific sounds (e.g., a bell ringing,
    or footsteps), malaise, etc.  Some things seem to be common for both
    kinds of phenomena (just judging subjectively, with no statistics to
    back me up -- it seems to me that the sound of doorknobs rattling seem
    to be common to both, as do objects which disappear and later
    reappear).
    
    					(Your resident parapsychologist):
    					Topher
    

    Re. .57:
    
    I have heard of similar "bad vibes" being experienced in the vicinity
    of former Nazi concentration camps in Europe. I remember someone on TV
    once saying that the location of one of these camps is even shunned by
    wildlife from the surrounding forest. I don't remember which camp this
    is, but I believe the camp itself is now no longer there, and the site
    where it was is just a forest clearing now. 
    

    Dave Hazel

    I get them in Salem, Massachusetts. Maybe it's because of the witch
    history and the evil that was done to innocent women by a paniced
    populace, driven by a few vile religious leaders and politicians, but I
    just get creepy feelings and a sense of wrongness and foreboding
    everytime I enter that town. Funny, because as I understand it, the
    hangings took place in what is now Danvers, Mass. and not in Salem.
    
                              Phl

    I am new to this note so please bear with me.
    
    RE: .60
    
    Yes the hangings did take place in Danvers, MA.  The hanging tree is on
    the land of the state mental hospital (I think).  I also get the same
    feelings that you do when I enter SAlem.  I think that its becasue my
    grandmother was able to read palms & tarot cards, she also had many
    premonitions that came true.  My mother has some of these premonitions
    as so do I.  My grandmothers people were of gypse heritage, and when
    she died she appread to my mom a couple of nights later.  She said it
    was really strange.
    
    
    Well I have to sign off know because we are about to have fire drill.
    
    
    Liz

    I used to work for a talk show host in Boston, and one night as we
    were talking of ghostly things a man called and said his house was
    haunted.  It was a fairly new house in Sudbury.  We decided to go and
    investigate his claims of his child being put out of her own bed and
    being forced to sleep under the bed, of the child saying her "friend" 
    had a very sore finger, both he and his wife being pushed down the cellar
    stairs by and unseen entity, and numerous other complaints that I can not
    recall at this time.  The first time we went, the husband seemed indeed 
    a strange person without all this phenomena happening around him. He showed
    us an indent in his back that he claimed looked like a bullet hole, not 
    having ever seen one, I can't say that it was, but there was a large 
    indented scar there. Then he told us that he could turn himself into a 
    panther and indeed he did, in his mannerisms and growling and pacing the 
    parlour floor. His wife said the only way she could stop this manifistation
    was to put a bag over his head, which we quickly asked her to do. It was
    terrifying!!!
    We decided we had had enough for that night and when I went back to the
    radio station I asked my boss if I could contact the Warren's from Ct.
    who were my initial GHOSTBUSTERS.  We contacted them and they came out
    in two weeks.  Mrs.Warren is a psychic and she took me aside in the
    baby's room and said that she had picked up that the owner of the house
    had sold his soul to the devil when he was a child and was now
    suffering the consequences of this deed.  Also the land that the house
    was built on once had another house on it that had burned to the ground
    and a child had died in that fire and was buried in the back yard. She may
    be the one that was putting the current child of the house out of *her*
    bed. Mrs. Warren(who was involved in the Amityville Horror) then said that
    the child suffered with a finger that had been wrenched and torn when
    it got caught in a tree.
    
    We sat down and talked with the current owner and he confessed to
    having sold his soul to the devil when he was 7 or 8 years old because
    he found it in a book that his mother owned (she turned out to belong
    to a coven, along with other members of the family) The passage in the 
    book promised that if you followed the instructions and sold your soul,
    you could have anything you wanted.  He asked for a lot of money, his
    own house and a new car by the age of twenty-one and he had all of
    that.
    
    We subsequently received a call from a phychic investigative group from
    England who were interested in going out to the house and using very
    sensitive tapes to pick up any sounds that might not be heard by us
    normal humans.  To make this a little shorter, they taped on new tapes 
    and we left the house.  When we returned and listened to the empty
    tapes for a while, we heard in a low and gutteral voice, "The body is in
    the yard", in a very slow and deliberate manner.  Needless to say we
    were so terrified that we never returned and I do not know what
    happened to that family.
    
    I have heard many times over the years of new houses being haunted and
    found to have been built on top of the ground where and old house had
    once stood.
     

RE: .63

    With all due respect to what you witnessed and how you felt about it:

    This guy does not seem like a particularly reliable character, and I
    would judge the probability of him faking the whole thing rather high
    to start with.  Once the infamous Warrens entered the scence all
    credibility for the incidents goes out the window.  The "psychic
    investigative group" from England (do you have any other info on them?
    how long ago was this) may have either been connected to Ed Warren
    or he, or the owner may have faked the tapes (this would be extremely
    easy to do unless the investigators really knew their stuff -- in
    which case it would only by moderately difficult).

    For some of the source of my low opinion of Ed Warren and his crew,
    see note 193 and its replies.

				    Topher

    
    
    	re .48 - guess what? they're baaaaa-aaaack!!!!
    
    	 
    		There is a jeep sitting next to our garage that 
    	belongs to the landlord. He said we could buy it and fix
    	it up, so my husband has been looking to see what need to
    	be done to it. He lifted the rug in the front to check out
    	the floor, and was greeted by a waft of some urine-type 
    	smell. He exclaimed (`oh, gross' or something..) and dropped
    	the rug. Then he went to the store. When he returned, he 
    	went back to the jeep to look again, but when he opened the
    	door, the rug was gone!! Maybe they're just `helping out'
    	again? (I still haven't been able to get them to clean the
    	house for me, haha) He searched our property, and didn't find
    	it. This was mid-afternoon, and none of the neighbors were
    	around...
    
    	`They' have been quiet all summer, maybe they went south and
    	just got back...??? :) 
    
    
    	Sherry
    	

    Last night, on _Unsolved Mysteries_ on NBC, there was a "haunted house"
    story.  Inconclusive (and on the basis of the analysis of one
    "mysterious" photo negative, a bit questionable), but entertaining.
    
    It may be repeated.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    Steve,
    
    Due to my interest in haunted houses, I taped just that segment on 
    "Unsolved Mysteries"  Also  think it was very interesting, but still
    does not prove conclusively that the house is haunted. I would try
    to locate records of previous owners, (since house was built) and
    go from there. Although I never really discount a story, no matter
    how ridiculous, without proof. My proof would be to stay in the
    house and see for myself. Some people may be more sensitive than
    others and what is heard and seen by some members may not be by
    the rest.
     There are many things in this world that seem strange, that are
    just waiting for the right time and right person to solve them,
    and many things that will maybe never be solved.
    
    Magically!!!
    
    Paul

    Did anyone happen to catch the Unsolved Mysteries last night? 
    It contained two stories of people who owned haunted locations.
    The first was about a hotel that was around in the days of the old
    west and in which the hall chandelier kept being turned on, and
    in room 18 there appeared a ball of light. Two psychic investigators
    toured to place and one felt the coldness of room 18 and the other
    was able to perceive a card game for high stakes and the feeling of
    someone being shot. It also had an image of a boy sitting on the 
    bar spinning a glass and when the person who was cleaning up talked
    to him he turned ghostly blue and jumped from bar and vanished.
     The kitchen help also noted strange phenomena too, such as a glass
    pitcher floating by itself, moving from a shelf.
      The second story had to do with a woman who had a recurring dream
    of a house which she had never seen, and later when she moved to
    Florida she found the exact house that was in her dreams. 
      The original owner of the house had been murdered in the back yard
    after someone had set his truck on fire, the murder has remained
    unsolved. But his ghost is said to haunt the place, hoping that someday
    his murder will be solved. Phenomena in the case was, footsteps in the
    hall, doors opening on their own, a ghostly apparition passing someone
    on the stair, music boxes starting on their own etc.
     While filming the segment at the house the crew of Unsolved Mysteries
    had lighting go off for no reason and one of the crews camera, which
    was in perfect working order failed to function.
     I taped it so I would have it for future reference and to play on
    "Halloween"
    
    Magically!!!
    Paul

    sorry I missed it... sounds like a good show.
    
    Well ... as the California ghost would say... "totally boo, dude" :-)
    Happy Halloween
    
    Mary

    The Wall Street Journal recently ran an article about real estate deals
    falling through on the grounds of the premises being posessed.  There
    are laws in several state that require acts of violence resulting
    in death that have occurred in a dwelling to be disclosed along with
    any other disclosable information ie. lead paint, UFFI etc.  This has
    been expanded to include claims of posession.  Several law suits have
    been won where the plaintiffs have claimed the house was haunted, and
    not disclosed and something or someone was bothering them in the house. 
    Brokers and past owners were found at fault resulting in a refund.  The
    article ran on Halloween.  
    
    Brian

    I am a new reader to this file and thought that I might put an
    experience of mine in this note...
    
         When I was a child (9 yrs. old) we lived in quite a large house
    here in Colorado Springs. The house was not too old at the time, Built
    in the late 50's, time of event was in 1974. Anyway one night while my
    father was out of town on business in N.Y.C. we were all preparing for
    bed. I have three sisters and a brother and the oldest, my sister, was
    letting the dog outside through the garage. The door to the garage was
    located downstairs in our den. there were a group of stairs (about 5
    steps) leading up into the garage itself. At the top of the stairs to
    the right there is a door leading out into the back-yard with a window
    in it. Anyway we all heard a scream and we got up and ran downstairs.
    My sister said she had seen a mans profile siloueted in the light at
    the top of the stairs. Well we called the police and they sent a car to
    our house. They searched the garage and found nothing. The strange part
    is that the back door is locked with a key dead-bolt. The garage doors
    themselves were very noisy when opened and we heard nary a whisper. 
    
         We had a intercom set up in our house in which all of the rooms
    including the garage had speaker/microphones. You could listen in on
    any room you wish. Great for brothers and sisters! Well the police said
    that they would be in the vacinity if any thing happened. We listened
    in on the intercom and heard he/her/it breathing right next to the
    speaker/microphone. It then proceeded to move about the garage and move
    and open boxes. We were able to get the police right back and they came
    upstairs first to listen and they heard the noises also. The two
    officers then pulled out their pistols and entered the garage were to
    their surprise there were boxes opened and strewn about and the car
    doors were opened. The police searched throught the boxes,car and attic
    and found nothing. A few other strange things happened in the next two
    years before we moved but nothing of that magnitude.
    
    
    Sorry for the long wind..
    
    Drew
    
    

    Did anyone happen to catch the "Unsolved Mysteries" 100th episode?
    It contained stories about UFO sightings, and some on Haunted Houses.
    One in particular interested me, about a Castle which was built in I
    think New Jersey (details unclear as was watching it at a friends
    house). But the castle builder died before it was finished and his
    spirit is still seen and felt within the castle today. The present
    owners have since moved to another location, however they never felt
    that the ghost was a threat but a help. They think he is taking care
    of the place still. One instance is that the woman left the upstairs
    windows open even though the weather reported rain and her husband
    suggested they close them, now these windows were the type that could
    only be opened from the inside of the house. The owners went out and
    before returning it start a downpour of rain, upon there return they
    went to the upper stories to close the windows and found them all
    closed and latched.  Visitors have seen the spirit on an upper
    staircase in the house and the wife of the original owner saw him
    along with a friend, on the same staircase, until he faded away.
     Another visitor, before entering the house saw a well dressed man
    at the front door and upon approaching him and inquiring who he was
    he mysteriously faded away. 
      The present owners have had many strange happenings, such as a
    loaf of bread flying from a counter to the floor some distance away
    and other subtle hints of his presence, nothing malicious but just
    to let them know that he is still around and taking care of things.
    
    This sounds like some place that I would like to own and if I could
    find one with a friendly spirit to take care of the place and not be
    mischievous or a hindrance.
    
    Magically!!!
    Paul

    Anyone have a taped copy of this show that they could lend me?  I would
    appreciate it.

					Topher

    If there are any Southern California residents out there in Notesville,
    we have an organization in Orange County - Orange County Society
    for Psychic Research, that meets monthly and explores possible
    hauntings.  The phone number is in the white pages.  We are always
    looking for new blood.  At the current time we are trying to bring
    back more scientific methods of research.  We'd like to hear from
    any interested parties.  Meetings are the second Saturday of the
    month at 7:00 pm.  INvestigations are usually 1-3 times month.
    
    Kat

    Are there any organizations in New England that act in the same manner
    as .74?
    

re: 23.74 
MIST::MCGANN 

>    ......................that meets monthly and explores possible
>    hauntings.  The phone number is in the white pages.  We are always
>    looking for new blood.  

	Do I detect a Vogon Ball in there somewhere ?

	-Art   ;-}

    .74
    Hi, Kat!
    
    Tell me more about it. Sounds like interesting, exactly what do you do?
    
    
    Marilyn

    
    Oops, that last should have read, ... like interesting stuff...
    
    But, since I'm originally from "the Valley" maybe I'll leave it the way
    it was.....
    
    
    Marilyn

    Art - what is a Vogon Ball?
    
    Marilyn, and other interested parties:
    
    OCSPR consists of approx 18 members who meet monthly to discuss
    business and set up investigations.  On the investigation we quietly
    walk thru the area and write down any impressions, images, feelings,
    etc. that we experience.  After every one has done so we compare
    our findings with the "owner's" experiences.  Then we usually do
    a taping - we ask questions and record the answers on a NEW cassette
    tape.  We have had alot of success with non-physical voices showing
    up on the tape.  Sometimes they even answer the question!  Mostly
    we get yesses, noes, and or knockings, and other one word answers.
    We would like to use more equipment, but the organization is non-profit
    and we do not charge anyone for the investigations - therefore no
    money for equipment!  In the past we've used video cameras. The
    group also has several photographs with "unexplained" images in
    them.  In one instance 2 people are at a Ouija Board and an extra
    arm with hand and ring attached is touching the pointer.  We try
    to determine whether the occupants of a "haunted building" are
    experiencing spirits, thoughtforms, or their imagination.
    
    Oh yeah, Marilyn, we are like a totally awesome like group.
    
    Kat

    re .18
    Does anyone know what happened to Jerri Herbert?  She entered a
    response (above) regarding an eiree house in Whittier CA.  I would
    like more information on the house if anyone has any.
                                  
    Thanks,
    
    Kat

    Jerri left the company and moved back to California (from New
    Hampshire).  Sorry, I don't have any more info than that.
    
    Ro
    

    In a previous note, it was mentioned that sudden changes (something
    like that) could influence a haunting.
    
    I had an experience in a house I used to live in, but I had been living
    there for two years before anything happened.  Is it possible that
    something triggered things to happen?
    
    Also, I was interested in the difference between hauntings and
    poltergeists...could someone tell me, can apparitions be caused by the
    poltergeist phenomena?
    
    Also, can these apparitions be seen by others, including non-family
    members?
    
    One night a woman appeared in my bedroom, at 3:00 am.  That was the
    first time, and I remember her perfectly.  At 2:50 am, my mother
    had been awoken by a noise and when she went into the hall to
    investigate, she said she heard a dress ruffling go up the stairs and
    into my room.
    
    At 3:00 something woke me (a noise, I guess) and I looked up to see the
    woman standing next to my bed.  I remember I turned and looked at my
    clock then to see what time it was, and then turned back to her, and
    she remained.  She had long brown hair, was wearing a purple cloak with
    a fur mantle, and thigh high boots.  She was smiling at me, and I
    remember her being incredibly beautiful (I thought so at the time).  I
    was startled, and even scared, until I looked up and saw that she was
    standing under my crucifix, and being superstitious in an old-fashioned
    sort of way, assumed she wasn't evil, else she couldn't have been
    there.
    
    Anyway, I moved my bed to the other side of the room (didn't like the
    idea of her standing over my bed while I was sleeping) the next day,
    and things seemed to return to normal, for a week.  Well, one night
    after I had had an argument with my mother, I was laying in bed, and
    looking up at the ceiling, thinking about apologizing, and I felt the
    end of my bed sink, as if someone had just sat down.  Heart hammering,
    I looked, and there she was.  Now, I hadn't even been to sleep yet, and
    this time I found my voice and asked her what she wanted, repeating the
    question twice.  She just smiled at me and faded.  Well, as soon as she
    disappeared my mother came in and we reconciled.
    
    Since that day, several people saw her, people who had never even heard
    the story before asked me if I had a ghost.  My brother saw her one
    night (he lived in California, and me in Michigan, and I had not shared
    the experience with him) and he refused to enter my room after that, in
    spite of the fact I assured him she was harmless.
    
    Now, I ask, since I was a teen, could she have been associated with a
    poltergeist effect?  The fact that she appeared to several people (at
    least eight I can think of off the top)... does that mean she is a
    haunting, or a poltergeist apparition?  
    
    Wondering about that particular incidence...
    
    Elizabeth
    
    

Re .82 (Elizabeth):

Overly simplified, poltergeisten throw things.  Were there any physical
manifestations associated with this "shady lady"?  If not, she could
be classified as an apparition, but not as a poltergeist.

Steve Kallis, Jr.

RE: .82 (Elizabeth)

    I think anyone who says "always" or "never" about these things is, as
    us parapsychologists say "going beyond the available data".  But it is
    very unusual to have clear-cut apparitions associated with poltergeist
    cases -- off-hand (and this is only off-hand) I can't think of a single
    such case.  There is nothing in what you describe to lead me to
    classify this as a poltergeist.  That it happened to a teenager is not
    enough by any means -- a teenager is just as likely to witness a non-
    poltergeist apparition as anyone else (maybe more so -- I don't know of
    any statistical studies), so that cannot be used to classify it as
    poltergeist phenomena.

    No, this is a pretty typical apparition case.  Since the apparition was
    not known to you, appeared to be associated with a place (rather than
    seemingly directed towards a specific person), and was observed over an
    extended period of time, I would tentatively classify this apparition
    as a haunting rather than as a crisis apparition.  But that is simply a
    classification of the observed phenomenon -- it does not tell us what
    the phenomenon is.  Very likely, what we classify as a "haunting" is a
    number of different phenomena.

					Topher

    There were no physical associations with this woman, and when we moved,
    she did not follow.
    
    There were "other" things that happened, people used to hear someone
    walking about upstairs when we no one was up there, we had a step that
    was not loose or anything, yet people used to mysteriously loose their
    balance (including a cat!) and fall after touching it (third from the
    top) and after my grandmother died, we inherited a dressing table from
    her, which had a mirror stand that went on top.  Almost immediately, a
    permanent mist appeared in the center of the mirror, which is still
    present today, although the mirror is in my mother's bedroom in her
    present home.  No amount of cleaning can seem to remove it, and it
    resembles what happens when one blows warm, moist breath on a cold
    window, or on a mirror, but you can't wipe it away.  Any ideas?
    
    Also, there was a day, when I was a senior, sitting alone in the house,
    and heard a buzzing sound behind me.  As I turned around to see what it
    was, a ball of, what I can only describe as electricity whizzed past my
    ear, touched me, sent a shock of electricity through me (quite
    unpleasant) and then continued on, out of the house.
    
    When I recently discussed this with a co-worker, he suggested it was a
    lightning ball?
    
    Any ideas?  These were all separate incidents, all of them taking
    place in the house where I spent my adolescence.  There were plenty
    more things, and I distinctly remember my mother getting upset at my
    dabbling with the "occultish" side of things in an attempt to interpret
    what was going on.
    
    Elizabeth
    

RE: .85 (Elizabeth)

    Sounds like something, normal or paranormal, etched the glass surface a
    little.  Either that or its something approaching the strength of the
    glass itself in hardness and bonding.  I'd have to examine it.

    Does sound like ball-lightning.  If I had to guess, I'd guess that it
    was unrelated -- you just happened to observer to unusual phenomena
    at that house.

					Topher

Re .84 (Topher):

That's why I usually hate to simplify things ...

Re .85 (Elizabeth):
    
    >There were "other" things that happened, people used to hear someone
    >walking about upstairs when we no one was up there, we had a step that
    >was not loose or anything, yet people used to mysteriously loose their
    >balance (including a cat!) and fall after touching it (third from the
    >top) and after my grandmother died, we inherited a dressing table from
    >her, which had a mirror stand that went on top.  Almost immediately, a
    >permanent mist appeared in the center of the mirror, which is still
    >present today, although the mirror is in my mother's bedroom in her
    >present home.  No amount of cleaning can seem to remove it, and it
    >resembles what happens when one blows warm, moist breath on a cold
    >window, or on a mirror, but you can't wipe it away.  Any ideas?

On the mirror, check to see whether the "mist" is on the front surface
of the glass (sometimes the mirror backing gets what for want of a better
way to express it, I'll call "micro bubbles," which can defocus the image
like a mist.  It's rare, but one mirror in our guest room has a slight case of
it, and I know it's a physical problem, not a metaphysical one).  If it's on
the back, the mirror probably needs to be resilvered.  If it's on the front,
check to see whether it will _scrape_ off: sometimes a foreign substance may
be affixed to a glass surface (e.g., a clutch of insect eggs).  There may
be a material explanation for it.  I'm not ruling out other explanations,
BTW.

On the "walking sounds," this is not inconsistent with reports of some
hauntings. 
    
    >Also, there was a day, when I was a senior, sitting alone in the house,
    >and heard a buzzing sound behind me.  As I turned around to see what it
    >was, a ball of, what I can only describe as electricity whizzed past my
    >ear, touched me, sent a shock of electricity through me (quite
    >unpleasant) and then continued on, out of the house.
    > 
    >When I recently discussed this with a co-worker, he suggested it was a
    >lightning ball?

Quite possible. Though rare, ball lightning, which is a temporary stable
plasmoid, is pretty well established.  I haven't been fortunate enough
to see ball lightning, but I have seen a couple of examples of its close cousin,
chain lightning.
    
    >Any ideas?  These were all separate incidents, all of them taking
    >place in the house where I spent my adolescence.  There were plenty
    >more things, and I distinctly remember my mother getting upset at my
    >dabbling with the "occultish" side of things in an attempt to interpret
    >what was going on.
    
They may have had separate causes, so it's hard to say.  However, it certainly
sounds like a house I'd have liked to live in for a few years.  The potential
for solid research sounds most promising.

Steve Kallis, Jr.

    Being as interested in the paranormal, etc, as I am, and always have
    been, it was quite exciting to live there, and I always invited
    skeptics in with "Free rein" to determine their own conclusions.
    
    Extra-Sensory abilities of different sorts have been in my family, and
    I think that some of the other incidents may fall under other topics,
    such as future prediction, ability to see auras...
    
    but there is one story I find still frightens me...and I shared with
    very few people.
    
    I was taking a bath by candelight and listening to some "mood music"...
    I looked up and stared intensely at the flame for a long time, and as I
    watched, the glass candle holder began to melt.  Now this was a tiny
    candle, with hardly any heat, and yet the glass was melting, into the
    shape of a screaming person.  I jumped out of the tub, blew out the
    light, flicked on the light switch and ran to tell my mother.  I also
    showed her the glass and the screaming man.  
    
    I describe it that way because it looked like a mouth open in a scream,
    and eyes squinted shut.
    
    This is the day she yelled at me for dabbling in the occult.  Being
    scared as I was, I began to think maybe she was right, and I was
    playing with things I didn't understand?
    
    Anyway, I showed the glass to a friend/skeptic of mine, and even he had
    to admint, that that is what it looked like.  
    
    Things like that made it an adventure to live there, even if the
    memories are sometimes frightening.
    
    In my current abode, no unnatural activities so far...
    
    Elizabeth
    

Yikes! An incident like the "screaming man" transformation I wouldn't like,
but a beautiful woman in my bedroom in the middle of the night... hmmm? :-)

								- JIM CAD*

BTW - I wonder what the melting of the glass signified, or if it was somehow
important to events at the time or related to the place. Have you still got it,
and if so have you considered getting it examined professionally?

    The glass disappeared when I moved, five years ago.  I often wondered
    if mom had a hand in that, I don't know.  I was disappointed because,
    like I said, I was always willing to let anyone see and investigate. 
    I'm not into making things up...
    
    Elizabeth
    

    
    This is two stories one of a haunted dorm, the other of a 
    haunted house.
    
    I have a few friends that went to Becker Jr. College about
    10 years ago.   They said that their dorm was haunted.  It
    started right before Thanksgiving each year and would be
    over after the holidays (can ghost's be seasonal? or a
    certain anniversary date bring them around?).   It would
    last for about 5 or 6 weeks.
    
    It would start slowly with things missing and reappearing 
    after folks had searched everywhere for the object only
    reappearing after they had given up.  Then posters on the
    walls would all come off the walls each night.  One person
    had a mirror come off the wall and set down on the floor
    without breaking.  My girlfriend said that she was once
    woken in the middle of the night being picked up and turned
    over on to her stomach.   It was like whatever it was, was
    gaining strength from the girls fear.  
    
    One person's boyfriend was visiting one night and saw what
    looked like a very large black man dressed in tattered
    clothes with chains attached to his ankles appear and then
    vanish.   This boyfriend ran out of the dorm and would not
    step foot in that building again. 
    
    There were tunnels underneath the dorms and it's believed that
    this site was once part of the underground railroad.  
    
    My friend told me alot more.  Has anyone ever heard about this?
    She is tempted to go back to visit the dorm and find out if
    it is still happening.
    
    Also her great grandparents had a house in Maynard that is
    now occupied by her cousins.  Sometimes you can see her great
    grandmother's ghost at the top of the stairs with two shadow
    figures behind her.  The two shadow figures are believed to 
    be her husband and son.  She doesn't hurt anyone, but you
    can hear her footsteps every once in awhile.
    
    Jeanne
    
    

    re .91 (Jeanne):
    
    > ..................................................... It
    >started right before Thanksgiving each year and would be
    >over after the holidays (can ghost's be seasonal? or a
    >certain anniversary date bring them around?). ....
    
    It can.  Two ways.  
    
    In some belief systems, certain times of year are easier for ghosts to
    manifest themselves (the veil between the worlds is supposed to be
    thinner in those times ); Hallowe'en is supposed to be the best time in
    asome traditions, and that's why _the_ figure of Hallowe'en (outside of
    the Jack-O'-Lantern ) is a ghost.
    
    Also, some hauntings are supposed to relate to events, usually
    traumatic ones.  These can have a time component, and some ghosts can
    appear on anniversaries of various happenings.
    
    Steve Kasllis, Jr. 

Hi,
	A friend of mine related a story about a manifestation he witnessed in
one of our Polytechnic Halls Of Residence. The event happened straight after a
violent argument, the room became chilled and the head of Anubis manifested
at a window. The person said he was sure this was not a shadow, because it was
3D, i.e. as he moved, it's dark outline changed as you would expect a solid
object, rather than a 2D shadow to - however he didn't stay around long enough 
to examine it! As supportive evidence, he says that a girl who was asleep in
the room near (under?) the window awoke, instantly screamed at the sight of the
head and promptly departed, looking somewhat drained! :-)

	One thought I had about previous notes, is that in dorms and student
houses it will have been likely that some people would have been messing with
Ouija boards from time to time, I think this was the case with this particular
room above.

								- JIM CAD* 

    re .93 (Jim CAD):
    
>....................................... The event happened straight after a
>violent argument, the room became chilled and the head of Anubis manifested
>at a window. The person said he was sure this was not a shadow, because it was
>3D, i.e. as he moved, it's dark outline changed as you would expect a solid
>object, rather than a 2D shadow to - however he didn't stay around long enough 
>to examine it! ....
    
    Interesting.  Anubis, though, was a fairly friendly god, according to
    legend.  Why his form would manifest after an argument is a bit beyone
    me.  Now if it were Set or Aaapep ....
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr. 

    re .91
    
    The first college I went to had a high suicide rate.  For some reason
    there were a lot more suicides in the first semester than in the second
    and they would start right before Thanksgiving, when some kid who
    couldn't face going home and telling his parents he was flunking out
    would decide to kill himself instead.  There was one dorm in
    particular that most of the deaths occured in.  It was one of the newer
    buildings.  There were two rooms that were no longer used for living in
    because students complained about noises and disturbances, and one room
    was reputed to have an awful smell that would start up for no reason. 
    These two rooms were said to have been the sites of two particularly
    gory suicides.   (By the way, it was a men's dorm - I never heard about
    any female students committing suicide.)
    
    Ginny

    
    Re. 91 also.....
    
    
    I remember reading in one of the better U.K. papers a big feature about
    hauntings in buildings and at sites around Britain, a few years back.
    One of the tales told was of a man driving his car through a wooded
    country road one night. As he came to round a corner he was aware of a
    car coming in the opposite direction; he could see it's headlights
    approaching from around the bend. He slowed, and   pulled his car into the side of
    the road in order to avoid the oncoming vehicle, and as he did so on
    elderly lady stepped into the road in front of him. Despite slowing he
    was unable to avoid her and she was knocked away by the force of the
    blow. The driver, on stopping, was aware that the other car had also
    stopped just down the road around the bend, and the driver of that car
    was running back towards the site where the accident had occured.
    
    The driver of the first car was unable to find the sticken woman where
    she had fallen, and as the driver of the second car arrived he asked
    him whether he had seen him hit the woman and where she had fallen. The
    second driver looked perturbed and claimed that he had just hit a woman
    who had stepped out from _his_ side of the road. Both drivers confused
    and unable to find the victim(s), they drove to a nearby village and
    used the phone in one of the local pubs to contact the police, who told
    them that they would check the area, but that every year they received
    a few calls from people who had hit someone on that stretch of road. It
    appeared that an old woman had been hit and killed by a car along that
    road during the 1940's, and every year her ghost could be seen on the
    anniversary.
    
    So. Some ghosts possibly do stick to social diaries. Actually, come to
    think of it, most of the more famous ghosts in England seem to stick to
    certain dates or times, especially ghosts that are found inside
    premises (castles, lodges, etc).
    
    I wonder how they know? Do they ever miss an appointment?
    
                   Jeremy
    
    
    

    I've noticed that most of the stories in here are from people who at
    one time, though not presently, experienced something.  Are there any
    people out there that are currently experiencing hauntings?

    
    Maybe.  I say maybe because I sense some things, but my husband
    doesn't.  And the spirits in my house (@100 years old) are not active,
    just present.  I think that would be different if they didn't like us,
    though.
    
    Beth

    The goings on in my house have come to almost a stand still in the last
    couple of years.  I agree with the previous noter "if they didn't like
    us things would be different."
    
    laura

    re.99
    
          I happen to have went to Becker Jr. College and do recall people
    telling tales of a haunted dorm. The college is in Leicester Ma., and
    most of the buildings are very old. There are also many underground
    passeges here. We also used the Ouiji board quite often here but not
    in that particular dorm. It always did look scary.
    
         I have a story that to this day scares the death out of me, but
    I'll share it. I lived in Worcester on lincoln st. around '76 '78.
    The house we lived in I swear was either possesed or huanted but here
    is my story.
         After living here for a while with my aunt living upstairs we had
    strange things happening. For one my brother always seemed to sleep
    walk or just jerk alot in his sleep He was about 11 years old, and my 
    aunts daughter upstairs from time to time would wake up and go in her
    moms room and tell her her dolls were walking, then my aunt would see
    that things in the room were actually moved around. (sorry so long but
    it gets real scary). Anyhow thing started really getting wierd when my
    aunt would tell my mom that she would hear her 4 year old talking in
    the room to noone, or she would hear her palying jumping on the bed
     and then check her to see she was sound asleep.
    
    Now in my house all night long we would hear loud and I mean loud bangs
    and noise all the time which was pretty scary. At first we thought it
    was the radiator and the landlord had all the radiator replaced but it
    still happened. Then the weirdest thing happened.
        
         One night my brother woke up sleepwalking. He walked over to the
    door and opened it up, while doing this he seemed to be patting the
    floor. My mom was used to him sleepwalking but found this weird and
    asked him what he was doing his reply was "I'm letting in my pigs".
    Kinda scared my mother put him back to bed but said that he was doing
    that convulsion type jerking and finally went to sleep. ( I know this
    sounds crazy and corny but i swear it is true.) That same night my 4
    year old cousin upstairs came out of her room where her mom was
    watching tv sat on the floor pee's and say " I hate you mommy your
    gonna die". well my aunt put her back to bed passing it off as strange
    but she said it was scary.
    
         Lastly and the most scary thing is the next morning my little
    cousin tells my mother that the devil left her house last night and
    came into your house and Ralph, my brother, let him in. After this my
    mom had a priest come and bless the house. But we still heard wierd
    noises. Not long after that we moved. Nothing has happened since.
    
         Now I tell this story to a few people and when I drive by this
    house I get an Erie feeling. But I notice three things the seem very
    strange that I didn't realize before.
    
                1. The house is directly acroos the street from Kelly's
                   funeral home maybe 60 feet away. Big red house. 150
                   lincoln st was the adress
    
                2. The part of the house where me and my brothers room was
                   was torn down and sealed up. I don't know why.
     
                3. The house next to it is a nice house but on the wall
                   facing my old house there is a large cross painted
                   right on it. Go figure.
    
    Sorry i took so long in writing this but I had to so you could see
    where I was coming from. Man I work third shift and now I got the
    creeps....
    

    
    Re: .100
    
    After moving, did your brother continue to sleepwalk?  Did the cousin
    complain ofthings moving, or your aunt hear anymore talking, after the
    devil "left" her house?
    
    Thanks for relating this.
    
    Beth

    I live on harlow st, which is right off lincoln.  I'll try and check it
    out this week....oh and just as an FYI, the WAG {worcester artist
    group} is on my street and there is quite abit of skinhead activity
    there....

   re .101            
     
      Since moving out we seem to have cleansed the evil. By the way to see
    the seriousness of it when I played with a ouiji up at becker college
    I was a believer but I asked a question " what is my moms name" it
    spelled out my moms middle name. when I told her of this she was
    serious and she made me promise not to play again. BTW I also remember
    having bad dreams after playing with the weegee maybe just my
    imagination???
    
    re.102 
       
       I attended harlow street school when i was younger, I know the area
    well. When you examine the house go around the back the entrance will
    be off of perkins street. You'll notice that the bricks by the entrance
    where torn down and sealed, and you'll notice the cross painted BIG
    on the wall of the other building.. reaaaall creepy i tell ya.
    
    What do you mean Skinhead activity, are you talking about punks who try
    and hurt poeple of different backrounds??? Maybe i'll crack a few heads
    down that way >8*/

    hi
    
    I drove by 150 lincoln st yesterday and it seems the top floor is for
    rent.....any takers 8*)

    -.1
     
        Did you see the back?? Was the cross on the wall?

    I drove by the back, and yes, there is a cross painted on the
    base of the chimney of the neighbors house.  Looks like theres been 
    an addition added ove the last few years.  There are also a couple of
    windows that are now bricked over

    YIKES!!!
          ]8*O
     I talked with my mom about it again and she just didn't want to
    discuss it anyway what-so-ever..
    
    btw.  Anybody else got something

    I saw a good movie the other day about things like this, it is called
    "MIRROR, MIRROR", it is a spooky movies about a mirror that the demon
    uses to cross over from its world to ours , I liked the movies, it is
    scary and I like ghosts and things like that.

    I recommend it highly.

    /Nasser
    I spelled checked

    Does anyone have any information on Psychic Investigation groups in the
    Colorado Springs area.
    
    Thanks In Advance
    Ron
    

    Re: 23.100 I just drove by this place the other evening w/my girlfriend.
    When I saw the cross, i swear the hair on the back of my neck stood up!  We
    flew out of there.  That house LOOKS like it's possessed.

    Does anybody know of any haunted house around eastern MA, (Like around
    Lowell or Nashua, NH)?
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Scott

    
    I've had a couple of DEJAVU gatherings at my place in Nashua...who
    knows...it may be haunted by now.  Or maybe in a century or two
    we can all schedule a gathering *back* there, and really have some 
    fun!  (;^)
    
    Cindy

The house that we are moving into this week has ghosts!  I found out from
the owner of the house, who lives on the first floor (which
is located in Nashua and was built around 1923), and from the previous tenant,
    who
who lived on the second floor for the past year. The 2nd floor is the one
we've rented.

According to the owner, who has occupied the house for 5 years, there are
probably 2 ghosts in the house, and they are "from the same family"
(related).  The owner said that the ghost on the 2nd floor is a little old man
    around 100 years
around 100 years old who weighs around 60 lbs.  The tenant who just moved out
likes the ghost so much that she wants to invite him to come live in her new
place.  She misses him!  She was there when I went to pick up the keys because
she wanted one more walk around the apartment.  She said, "I'm really going
to miss this place."

The ghost appears in the bathroom every now and then (monthly maybe).

Both women told me that they feel the ghost has something to do with pregnan-
cies.  Both women got pregnant (unexpectedly) a month after they moved
into the house.  The tenant before the last one had been trying to get
pregnant for 4 years; she got pregnant a month after she moved in.  The
owner said that even her dog got pregnant.  And ... the dog sees the ghost.

What do you all think of this?  Personally, I want the ghosts out of the
house even if they are "friendly."  I value solitude and privacy.  The
ghosts are obviously stuck in a dimension and need assistance to move on
to some other dimension.

  *Stella* 
    
    P.S.  My apologies if this note isn't properly aligned.  I don't know
    how to fix it.  Maybe the mods can do it.

    You can help it to the other side. The other thing is that if you know
    it is there 'before' you move in then you could be letting yourself in
    for problems. Especially if you're moving into what the ghost considers
    it's territory. You'd be better off making some terms with the ghost.
    Having respect for each other and living in peace.
    
    You don't want to get started off on the wrong foot. Otherwise it may
    be 'you' that will be looking for another place to live.

    please be specific.  what do I do to help it to the other side and/or
    make terms with it?  Thanks!

    I'd wait till I encountered it. If you feel ok then try to speak to it.
    Ask it why it is here. If you feel comfortable you can tell it to go to
    the light. 
    
    I wouldn't go in with the attitude that you want to get rid of it. That
    this is 'your' place now.
    
    You'll never get anywhere with it. It sounds like a harmless entity. If
    it doesn't bother you then let it be. It also sounds like a family. You
    might bite off more than you can chew if you start messing with it in
    the wrong way.
    

    Thank you for that advice.  I appreciate it!

    Let us know if you get pregnant!!!

    ha     ha    I will, jacqui.  In fact, you can be the aunt.  :-)

    Update.  So far, so good.  We asked the ghost to leave.  I believe that
    it did.