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| 7.1 | required grad rates? | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Fri Dec 15 1989 10:20 | 10 |
| This is as good a place as any for this:
The presidents of the NCAA member colleges are considering passing a
proposal that would require graduation rates of ahtletes to be made
public. This has been recommended to them in order to avoid various bills
that are being considered by Congress.
Let's see if they really are serious about all this.
TTom
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| 7.2 | AP POLL 12-11-89 | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Fri Dec 15 1989 12:37 | 32 |
| AP MEN'S POLL (12-11-89)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Syracuse (34) 6-0 1,548 1
2 Kansas (20) 9-0 1,503 2
3 Georgetown (9) 5-0 1,494 3
4 Missouri 7-0 1,385 4
5 Illinois 5-0 1,261 7
6 Michigan 5-1 1,260 8
7 Arkansas (1) 5-0 1,169 10
8 Oklahoma 4-0 1,116 12
9 LSU 4-1 1,064 9
10 Louisville 6-1 1,008 11
11 Indiana 6-0 891 14
12 Duke 3-2 872 6
13 UCLA 4-0 838 13
14 UNLV 3-2 820 5
15 Georgia Tech 3-0 631 18
16 N. Carolina State 6-1 601 19
17 Memphis State 4-1 397 16
18 St. John's 5-2 376 15
19 Alabama 5-1 309 21
20 Arizona 2-2 304 20
21 Iowa 6-0 291 --
22 Oklahoma State 4-1 254 --
23 Oregon State 4-1 231 24
24 Florida 2-1 214 25
25 Michigan State 6-0 172 --
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| 7.3 | ABC NCAA Basketball Schedule | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Dec 18 1989 19:10 | 54 |
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From: holder@druhi.ATT.COM (Mike Holder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: ABC college BB schedule
Message-ID: <4421@druhi.ATT.COM>
Date: 16 Oct 89 04:52:00 GMT
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Here's the ABC schedule of college basketball games for the 1989-90 season.
This schedule came from the Dick Vitale's Basketball Guide. Times are
Eastern Times.
Mike Holder ..!att!druhi!holder
AT&T Bell Labs holder@druhi.att.com
Denver, CO (303) 538-3929
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11/25/89 Sat. 16:00 ABC - Tip-Off Classic: Michigan vs Arizona
12/02/89 Sat. 14:00 ABC - Notre Dame vs Louisville
12/02/89 Sat. 16:00 ABC - LaSalle at DePaul (regional)
12/02/89 Sat. 16:00 ABC - Arizona at Oregon State (regional)
12/09/89 Sat. 14:00 ABC - Duke at Michigan
12/09/89 Sat. 16:00 ABC - North Carolina at Iowa
12/16/89 Sat. 16:00 ABC - Temple at Illinois (regional)
12/16/89 Sat. 16:00 ABC - New Mexico at Louisville (regional)
12/23/89 Sat. 13:30 ABC - UNLV vs Iowa
12/23/89 Sat. 16:00 ABC - Seton Hall vs Michigan
01/28/90 Sun. 14:00 ABC - UNLV at LSU (regional)
01/28/90 Sun. 14:00 ABC - Inidana at Minnesota (regional)
02/04/90 Sun. 14:00 ABC - Louisville at Ohio State (regional)
02/04/90 Sun. 14:00 ABC - Arkansas at Texas (regional)
02/04/90 Sun. 16:00 ABC - Indiana at Illinois
02/11/90 Sun. 14:00 ABC - Illinois at Michigan (regional)
02/11/90 Sun. 14:00 ABC - Rutgers at West Virginia (regional)
02/18/90 Sun. 14:00 ABC - Michigan at Ohio State
02/18/90 Sun. 16:00 ABC - Arizona at UNLV (regional)
02/18/90 Sun. 16:00 ABC - LSU at Vanderbilt (regional)
02/25/90 Sun. 16:00 ABC - Indiana at Michigan State (regional)
02/25/90 Sun. 16:00 ABC - Missouri at Oklahoma (regional)
03/04/90 Sun. 14:00 ABC - Iowa at Illinois
03/04/90 Sun. 16:00 ABC - Michigan at Purdue (regional)
03/04/90 Sun. 16:00 ABC - Washington at UCLA (regional)
03/11/90 Sun. 14:00 ABC - Illinois at Indiana OR Iowa at Michigan
03/11/90 Sun. 16:00 ABC - SEC Tournament Championship
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From: holder@druhi.ATT.COM (Mike Holder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: ESPN college BB schedule
Message-ID: <4420@druhi.ATT.COM>
Date: 16 Oct 89 04:49:03 GMT
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Here's the ESPN schedule for the 1989-90 college basketball season. This
schedule came out of Dick Vitale's Basketball Guide. Times are Eastern time.
Mike Holder ..!att!druhi!holder
AT&T Bell Labs holder@druhi.att.com
Denver, CO (303) 538-3929
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11/26/89 Sun. 00:30 ESPN - Great Alaska Shootout Semifinal
11/27/89 Mon. 01:00 ESPN - Maui Classic Championship
11/27/89 Mon. 21:00 ESPN - Great Alaska Shootout 3rd place
11/27/89 Mon. 23:00 ESPN - Great Alaska Shootout Championship
11/29/89 Wed. 21:00 ESPN - Arkansas at South Alabama
11/30/89 Thu. 21:00 ESPN - North Carolina at Alabama
12/04/89 Mon. 19:00 ESPN - Georgia Tech vs Pittsburgh
12/04/89 Mon. 21:00 ESPN - Maryland vs Connecticut
12/05/89 Tue. 19:00 ESPN - Wake Forest vs Seton Hall
12/05/89 Tue. 21:00 ESPN - St. John's vs NC State
12/06/89 Wed. 19:00 ESPN - Clemson vs Providence
12/06/89 Wed. 21:00 ESPN - Duke vs Syracuse
12/07/89 Thu. 19:00 ESPN - Villanova vs Virginia
12/07/89 Thu. 21:00 ESPN - North Carolina vs Georgetown
12/09/89 Sat. 23:30 ESPN - Louisiana Tech at Middle Tennessee
12/12/89 Tue. 19:30 ESPN - Villanova at Connecticut
12/13/89 Wed. TBD ESPN - Seton Hall at Rutgers
12/14/89 Thu. TBD ESPN - Nebraska at Creighton
12/14/89 Thu. 23:30 ESPN - Idaho at Washington State
12/15/89 Fri. 21:00 ESPN - St. Louis at Southern Illinois
12/16/89 Sat. 19:30 ESPN - Rutgers at Princeton
12/16/89 Sat. 21:30 ESPN - Georgia Tech at Georgia
12/19/89 Tue. 22:00 ESPN - Miami at Arizona
12/20/89 Wed. 19:30 ESPN - Washington at Minnesota
12/21/89 Thu. 19:30 ESPN - Boston College at Providence
12/21/89 Thu. 21:30 ESPN - Penn State at UAB
12/23/89 Sat. 24:00 ESPN - Oklahoma at Loyola Marymount
12/27/89 Wed. 21:30 ESPN - Missouri at Memphis State
12/27/89 Wed. 24:00 ESPN - UCLA at Fresno State
01/02/90 Tue. 19:30 ESPN - Georgetown at Boston College
01/02/90 Tue. 21:30 ESPN - Florida at Mississippi
01/03/90 Wed. 19:00 ESPN - Clemson at NC State
01/03/90 Wed. 21:00 ESPN - Syracuse at Pittsburgh
01/04/90 Thu. 19:30 ESPN - LaSalle at Temple
01/04/90 Thu. 21:30 ESPN - Kansas at Wichita State
01/06/90 Sat. 23:30 ESPN - Loyla Marymount at LaSalle
01/08/90 Mon. 19:30 ESPN - Georgetown at Pittsburgh
01/08/90 Mon. 21:30 ESPN - Michigan at Indiana
01/08/90 Mon. 24:00 ESPN - UNLV at New Mexico State
01/09/90 Tue. 19:30 ESPN - Arkansas-Little Rock at Oklahoma
01/09/90 Tue. 21:30 ESPN - Georgia at Alabama
01/10/90 Wed. 19:00 ESPN - St. John's at Syracuse
01/10/90 Wed. 21:00 ESPN - North Carolina at Maryland
01/11/90 Thu. 19:30 ESPN - Duke at Georgia Tech
01/11/90 Thu. 21:30 ESPN - Indiana at Northwestern
01/11/90 Thu. 24:00 ESPN - California at Washington State
01/13/90 Sat. 12:00 ESPN - UAB at Xavier
01/13/90 Sat. 14:00 ESPN - Virginia at North Carolina
01/15/90 Mon. 19:30 ESPN - Syracuse at Connecticut
01/15/90 Mon. 21:30 ESPN - Michigan at Illinois
01/15/90 Mon. 24:00 ESPN - UNLV at Fresno State
01/16/90 Tue. 19:30 ESPN - Oklahoma at Kansas State
01/16/90 Tue. 21:30 ESPN - LSU at Vanderbilt
01/17/90 Wed. 19:00 ESPN - St. John's at Villanova
01/17/90 Wed. 21:00 ESPN - Duke at North Carolina
01/18/90 Thu. 19:00 ESPN - Ohio State at Michigan
01/18/90 Thu. 21:00 ESPN - NC State at Wake Forest
01/18/90 Thu. 23:30 ESPN - UCLA at Stanford
01/20/90 Sat. 12:30 ESPN - Duke at Wake Forest
01/21/90 Sun. 13:30 ESPN - Georgia Tech at Virginia
01/21/90 Sun. 17:00 ESPN - LSU at Alabama
01/22/90 Mon. 19:30 ESPN - Georgetown at Villanova
01/22/90 Mon. 21:30 ESPN - Minnesota at Wisconsin
01/22/90 Mon. 24:00 ESPN - UNLV at Long Beach State
01/23/90 Tue. 19:30 ESPN - Rutgers at Missouri
01/23/90 Tue. 21:30 ESPN - Alabama at Tennessee
01/24/90 Wed. 19:00 ESPN - St. John's at Providence
01/24/90 Wed. 21:00 ESPN - NC State at Duke
01/25/90 Thu. 19:30 ESPN - Texas at Arkansas
01/25/90 Thu. 21:30 ESPN - Iowa at Minnesota
01/29/90 Mon. 19:30 ESPN - Syracuse at St. John's
01/29/90 Mon. 21:30 ESPN - Illinois at Iowa
01/29/90 Mon. 24:00 ESPN - Cal. State Fullerton at Cal. Santa Barbara
01/30/90 Tue. 19:30 ESPN - Houston at Texas
01/31/90 Wed. 19:00 ESPN - Virginia at NC State
01/31/90 Wed. 21:00 ESPN - Boston College at Pittsburgh
02/01/90 Thu. 19:00 ESPN - Minnesota at Michigan State
02/01/90 Thu. 21:00 ESPN - North Carolina at Georgia Tech
02/01/90 Thu. 23:30 ESPN - UCLA at USC
02/02/90 Fri. 24:00 ESPN - Richmond at James Madison
02/03/90 Sat. 23:30 ESPN - Wyoming at Colorado State
02/05/90 Mon. 19:30 ESPN - Seton Hall at Syracuse
02/05/90 Mon. 21:30 ESPN - Purdue at Northwestern
02/05/90 Mon. 24:00 ESPN - Cal. Santa Barbara at Santa Clara
02/06/90 Tue. 19:30 ESPN - Florida State at Louisville
02/06/90 Tue. 21:30 ESPN - Florida at Georgia
02/07/90 Wed. 19:00 ESPN - Pittsburgh at Georgetown
02/07/90 Wed. 21:00 ESPN - NC State at North Carolina
02/08/90 Thu. 19:00 ESPN - Missouri at Kansas State
02/08/90 Thu. 21:00 ESPN - Duke at Virginia
02/08/90 Thu. 23:30 ESPN - Washington at California
02/12/90 Mon. 19:30 ESPN - Syracuse at Villanova
02/12/90 Mon. 21:30 ESPN - Michigan State at Iowa
02/12/90 Mon. 24:00 ESPN - UNC-Charlotte at Long Beach State
02/13/90 Tue. 19:30 ESPN - Missouri at Kansas
02/13/90 Tue. 21:30 ESPN - Mississippi State at Alabama
02/14/90 Wed. 19:00 ESPN - North Carolina at Virginia
02/14/90 Wed. 21:00 ESPN - St. John's at Seton Hall
02/14/90 Wed. 23:30 ESPN - Pepperdine at Loyola Marymount
02/15/90 Thu. 19:00 ESPN - Louisville at Virginia Tech
02/15/90 Thu. 21:00 ESPN - Ohio State at Wisconsin
02/15/90 Thu. 23:30 ESPN - Oregon State at Washington
02/17/90 Sat. 12:00 ESPN - Old Dominion vs Jacksonville
02/17/90 Sat. 16:00 ESPN - Georgia Tech at NC State
02/17/90 Sat. 23:30 ESPN - BYU at UTEP
02/19/90 Mon. 19:30 ESPN - Providence at Connecticut
02/19/90 Mon. 21:30 ESPN - Indiana at Purdue
02/19/90 Mon. 24:00 ESPN - Long Beach State at Cal. State Fullerton
02/20/90 Tue. 19:30 ESPN - Louisville at Memphis State
02/20/90 Tue. 21:30 ESPN - Auburn at Vanderbilt
02/21/90 Wed. 19:00 ESPN - St. John's at Georgetown
02/21/90 Wed. 21:00 ESPN - Duke at NC State
02/21/90 Wed. 23:30 ESPN - Arizona at California
02/22/90 Thu. 19:30 ESPN - Virginia at Georgia Tech
02/22/90 Thu. 21:30 ESPN - West Virginia at Penn State
02/24/90 Sat. 12:00 ESPN - Creighton vs Bradley
02/24/90 Sat. 16:00 ESPN - North Carolina at Clemson
02/24/90 Sat. 23:30 ESPN - Wyoming at Utah
02/26/90 Mon. 19:30 ESPN - St. John's at Pittsburgh
02/26/90 Mon. 21:30 ESPN - Illinois at Ohio State
02/26/90 Mon. 24:00 ESPN - UNLV at Cal. Santa Barbara
02/27/90 Tue. 19:30 ESPN - Kansas at Oklahoma
02/27/90 Tue. 21:30 ESPN - LSU at Florida
02/28/90 Wed. 19:00 ESPN - Syracuse at Seton Hall
02/28/90 Wed. 21:00 ESPN - Duke at Clemson
02/28/90 Wed. 23:30 ESPN - California at Stanford
03/01/90 Thu. 19:30 ESPN - Temple vs West Virginia
03/01/90 Thu. 21:30 ESPN - Oklahoma State at Iowa State
03/03/90 Sat. 16:00 ESPN - Florida State at South Carolina
03/03/90 Sat. 19:30 ESPN - MEAC Tournament
03/03/90 Sat. 21:30 ESPN - Northeast Tournament
03/03/90 Sat. 24:00 ESPN - New Mexico at UTEP
03/04/90 Sun. 19:30 ESPN - Southern Tournament
03/04/90 Sun. 21:30 ESPN - American South Tournament
03/05/90 Mon. 19:00 ESPN - Sun Belt Tournament
03/05/90 Mon. 21:00 ESPN - MAAC Tournament
03/05/90 Mon. 23:30 ESPN - WCC Tournament
03/06/90 Tue. 19:30 ESPN - East Coast Tournament
03/06/90 Tue. 21:30 ESPN - MVC Tournament
03/07/90 Wed. 21:30 ESPN - Southland Tournament
03/07/90 Wed. 19:30 ESPN - Mid-Continent Tournament
03/08/90 Thu. 17:00 ESPN - TAAC Tournament
03/08/90 Thu. 19:30 ESPN - Ohio Valley Tournament
03/08/90 Thu. 21:30 ESPN - Atlantic-10 Tournament
03/09/90 Fri. 12:00 ESPN - ACC Tournament
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| 7.5 | CBS NCAA Basketball Schedule | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Dec 18 1989 19:10 | 68 |
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From: rone@tekigm2.MEN.TEK.COM (Ron Ezetta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: CBS NCAA Schedule
Message-ID: <6278@tekigm2.MEN.TEK.COM>
Date: 21 Sep 89 16:18:33 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc. Vancouver, Washington
Lines: 52
For you rabid college hoop fans who like to plan ahead, here's the
CBS NCAA schedule. All times are PST.
Have ESPN and ABC announced their college hoop schedules?
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12/16 <1245> ;DePaul @ North Carolina
12/30 <1300> ;Arkansas @ Nev.-Las Vegas
1/6 <1200> ;North Carolina vs. Temple @ Atlantic City (time could change to 1 p.m.)
1/7 <1000> ;UCLA @ Louisville (time could change to 1 p.m.)
1/13 <1000> ;Pairings TBA
1/20 <0900> ;Seton Hall @ Pittsburgh
1/20 <1100> ;Oklahoma @ Arizona
1/20 <1300> ;Notre Dame @ LSU
1/27 <1000> ;Arizona @ Pittsburgh -or- Florida @ LSU
1/27 <1200> ;Syracuse @ Georgetown
2/3 <0900> ;Georgetown vs. St. John's @ Madison Square Garden
2/3 <1100> ;Loyola Marymount @ LSU
2/10 <0900> ;Georgia Tech @ Louisville
2/10 <1100> ;Florida @ Georgetown -or- Oklahoma @ UNLV
2/11 <0945> ;Oklahoma vs. Seton Hall @ the Meadowlands
2/17 <1300> ;Notre Dame @ Syracuse
2/24 <1100> ;Louisville @ Nev.-Las Vegas
2/25 <1130> ;Syracuse @ Providence -or- LSU @ Georgia
3/3 <1200> ;Texas @ DePaul
3/4 <0900> ;Georgetown @ Syracuse
3/10 <1030> ;Big East semifinal 1 -or- Metro championship
3/10 <1300> ;Big East semifinal 2
3/11 <1130> ;Big East championship
3/15 <0830> ;West Regional first round game at Provo, Utah
3/16 <0830> ;West Regional first round game at Long Beach, CA
3/17 ;Second round triple header 12, 11:30 a.m, and 2 p.m (Regional coverage)
3/18 ;Second round triple header 12, 11:30 a.m, and 2 p.m (Regional coverage)
3/22 ;Regional semifinal doubleheader, 5 and 7 p.m.
3/23 ;Regional semifinal doubleheader, 5 and 7 p.m.
3/24 <1050> ;East Regional championship
3/24 <1300> ;Midwest Regional championship
3/25 <1050> ;Southeast Regional championship
3/25 <1300> ;West Regional championship
3/31 <1430> ;National semifinal @ Denver
3/31 <1700> ;National semifinal @ Denver
4/1 <1030> ;NCAA Women's championship @ Knoxville, Tenn.
4/2 <1800> ;National championship @ Denver
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| Ron Ezetta | Don't blame me... |
|rone@tekigm2.MEN.TEK.COM | I voted in Washington! |
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| 7.6 | Anyone has NBC's NCAA Basketball Schedule? | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Dec 18 1989 19:11 | 1 |
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| 7.7 | AP POLL 12-18-89 | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Wed Dec 20 1989 11:52 | 31 |
| AP MEN'S POLL (12-18-89)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Syracuse (35) 7-0 1,525 1
2 Kansas (20) 10-0 1,484 2
3 Georgetown (7) 7-0 1,453 3
4 Missouri (1) 9-0 1,378 4
5 Illinois 6-0 1,279 5
6 Michigan 7-1 1,255 6
7 Oklahoma 4-0 1,115 8
8 LSU 4-1 1,052 9
9 Louisville 7-1 1,029 10
10 Arkansas 5-1 979 7
11 Indiana 7-0 965 11
12 Duke 3-2 856 12
13 UNLV 4-2 813 14
14 Georgia Tech 5-0 793 15
15 N. Carolina State 6-1 636 16
16 Iowa 6-0 495 21
17 Memphis State 4-1 489 17
18 UCLA 4-1 478 13
19 St. John's 8-2 427 18
20 Alabama 6-1 418 19
21 Oregon State 5-1 271 23
22 Arizona 2-2 269 20
23 La Salle 4-0 180 --
24 Oklahoma State 4-2 125 22
25 Michigan State 7-1 113 25
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| 7.8 | Big 10 plus midget | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Fri Dec 22 1989 11:44 | 5 |
| Penn State will certainly be a great addition to the Big 11 basketball
status. They lost last night to Alabama-Birmingham 80-57. I think they
were resting up for BC.
TTom
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| 7.9 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Fri Dec 22 1989 11:59 | 5 |
| Well, when they get Big Ten exposures that should be a great recruiting
tool for them back in the East. I would not count them out totally
after a few tough years at the beginning in the league.
Charles
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| 7.10 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Fri Dec 22 1989 14:43 | 10 |
|
I agree, Charles. PSU plays b-ball in the Atlantic-10. I don't know who
is in the Atlantic-10. Other than on the East coast, I would bet most
people don't know.
Strangely, the BIG-10 has no plans at this time to change their
conference name to the BIG-11.
HOOT
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| 7.11 | here they are | CNTROL::CHILDS | Merry Christmas Everyone | Fri Dec 22 1989 16:17 | 6 |
|
Well Hoot for you and the others who want to know the Atlantic-10
are: Temple, Rutgers, PSU, West Virgina, Duquesne, Rhode Island,
George Washington, St. Joseph's, ZooMASS (UMASS) and St. Bonaventure
mike
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| 7.12 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | New Sears=Old K-Mart | Fri Dec 22 1989 16:44 | 13 |
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And lst week PSU beat a tough Temple team out in Happy Valley. It
was noted he in PA that there will be some travel problems encountered
by the Big 10 teams traveling to University Park to play Penn State.
The nearest airport to the campus that can handle a plane the size
required for most athletic teams is in Harrisburg, about a 2 hour
drive from campus. That shoould make for some tired teams visiting
Rec Hall to play hoops. But, it won't be much a picnic for the Lions,
who'll have to do this many times a year to get out. Up to now,
it was alot of local trips for Penn State.
Dennis
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| 7.13 | Redmen at 8-2 and counting... | POCUS::SALTALAMACCH | | Fri Dec 22 1989 20:09 | 4 |
| Just heard that the A-10 wants PSU out by June, '90.
Redmen Phil
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| 7.14 | AP Poll 12-25-89 | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Tue Dec 26 1989 15:56 | 31 |
| AP MEN'S POLL (12-25-89)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Syracuse (33) 8-0 1,501 1
2 Kansas (21) 11-0 1,469 2
3 Georgetown (7) 8-0 1,439 3
4 Illinois (1) 8-0 1,368 5
5 Michigan 8-1 1,252 6
6 Oklahoma 5-0 1,180 7
7 Missouri 9-1 1,116 4
8 Louisville 8-1 1,042 9
9 Louisiana State 5-1 1,021 8
10 Indiana 8-0 992 11
11 Arkansas 7-1 974 10
12 UNLV 5-2 923 13
13 Duke 5-2 828 12
14 Georgia Tech 6-0 801 14
15 Memphis State 6-1 530 17
16 UCLA 6-1 520 18
17 St. John's 9-2 472 19
18 Iowa 7-1 359 16
19 North Carolina State 7-2 355 15
20 La Salle 5-0 354 23
21 Arizona 3-2 319 22
22 Alabama 7-2 210 20
23 Oregon State 6-2 140 21
24 North Carolina 6-4 124 --
25 Minnesota 7-1 101 --
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| 7.15 | going for it | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Wed Dec 27 1989 12:08 | 6 |
| Almost history in the making. North Carolina plays Kentucky tonight in
Louisville. The Tar Heels trail UK by 5 victories: 1469-1464.
BTW/FWIW, Adolph Rupp leads Dean 875-673.
TTom
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| 7.16 | AP Poll 1-1-90 | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Wed Jan 03 1990 11:51 | 31 |
| AP MEN'S POLL (1-1-90)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Syracuse (32) 9-0 1,548 1
2 Kansas (23) 13-0 1,521 2
3 Georgetown (7) 9-0 1,450 3
4 Illinois (2) 10-0 1,417 4
5 Michigan 10-1 1,305 5
6 Oklahoma 8-0 1,237 6
7 Missouri 11-1 1,179 7
8 Louisville 9-1 1,077 8
9 Indiana 10-0 1,068 10
10 UNLV 7-2 1,036 12
11 LSU 6-1 994 9
12 Georgia Tech 8-0 914 14
13 Duke 8-2 873 13
14 Arkansas 8-2 787 11
15 UCLA 8-1 621 16
16 St. John's 11-2 549 17
17 La Salle 7-0 509 20
18 N. Carolina State 9-2 428 19
19 Arizona 5-2 411 21
20 Iowa 8-1 399 18
21 Memphis State 7-3 325 15
22 Alabama 9-2 244 22
23 Oregon State 9-2 238 23
24 Minnesota 8-1 215 25
25 Loy. Marymt 7-2 108 --
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| 7.17 | season underway | CNTROL::CHILDS | Will Tarheels be invited to the NIT? | Wed Jan 03 1990 12:26 | 12 |
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Could somebody please refresh my memory, who did Michigan loose too?
Nice to see the season get into full gear last night with about 6 games
on the tube.
LSU looks tough. ONeal and Roberts are big boys and what can be said
about Jackson that hasn't already been said. He threw down 51 last
night against Texas
tonight on espn NC State/Clemson followed by Pitt/Syracuse....
mike
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| 7.18 | | MUSKIE::WIERSBECK | All is quiet on New Years Day | Wed Jan 03 1990 13:23 | 5 |
| I believe Michigan lost to Arizona in that Hall of Fame game in
Springfield at the beginning of the season.
Spud
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| 7.19 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Jan 04 1990 12:15 | 6 |
| In all of the past blustering about the best college basketball coaches
noone has mentioned the NCAA's winningest coach - Judy Conradt of the
University of Texas Lady Longhorns. Conradt's teams are undefeated in
the SWC since 1978, a streak of 168 games and counting. They've also
piled up plenty of wins against teams outside of the SWC and are
currently in the AP Top 10.
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| 7.20 | AP Poll 1-8-90 | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Wed Jan 10 1990 16:03 | 31 |
| AP MEN'S POLL (1-8-90)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Kansas (45) 15-0 1,568 2
2 Georgetown (16) 11-0 1,532 3
3 Michigan (1) 10-1 1,405 5
4 Oklahoma (1) 10-0 1,378 6
5 Missouri (1) 13-1 1,280 7
6 Syracuse 10-1 1,273 1
7 UNLV 9-2 1,156 10
8 Illinois 11-1 1,127 4
9 Georgia Tech 10-0 1,098 12
10 Duke 10-2 953 13
11 Louisville 10-2 949 8
12 Arkansas 10-2 877 14
13 Indiana 10-1 855 9
14 LSU 8-2 787 11
15 St. John's 13-2 686 16
16 Minnesota 10-1 642 24
17 N. Carolina State 11-2 547 18
18 Arizona 8-2 541 19
19 UCLA 9-2 373 15
20 Memphis State 9-3 357 21
21 La Salle 8-1 287 17
22 Oregon State 11-2 269 23
23 Loy. Marymount 9-3 252 25
24 Alabama 10-3 123 22
25 Xavier, Ohio 9-1 77 --
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| 7.21 | AP Poll 1-15-90 | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Tue Jan 16 1990 11:48 | 31 |
| AP MEN'S POLL (1-15-90)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Kansas (46) 18-0 1,549 1
2 Georgetown (15) 13-0 1,517 2
3 Oklahoma (1) 12-1 1,420 4
4 Missouri (1) 15-1 1,341 5
5 Syracuse 12-1 1,296 6
6 Michigan 11-2 1,222 3
7 Illinois 12-1 1,203 8
8 Duke 12-2 1,132 10
9 UNLV 10-3 995 7
10 Louisville 12-2 988 11
11 Georgia Tech 11-1 956 9
12 Arkansas 12-2 906 12
13 LSU 10-2 843 14
14 Indiana 12-2 647 13
15 St. John's 14-3 584 15
16 UCLA 11-2 583 19
17 La Salle 10-1 466 21
18 Oregon State 12-2 396 22
19 N. Carolina State 12-3 370 17
20 Xavier, Ohio 11-1 307 25
21 Loyola Marymnt 11-3 291 23
22 Minnesota 10-3 277 16
23 Arizona 9-3 273 18
24 Purdue 11-2 217 --
25 Alabama 12-3 167 24
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| 7.22 | | REFINE::MISURACA | Bubbdymania. Whatca gonna do | Tue Jan 16 1990 17:55 | 1 |
| Who did the Sooners lose to?
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| 7.23 | Sooners haven't lost yet | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Tue Jan 16 1990 20:10 | 33 |
| [CORRECTED VERSION]
AP MEN'S POLL (1-15-90)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Kansas (46) 18-0 1,549 1
2 Georgetown (15) 13-0 1,517 2
3 Oklahoma (1) 12-0 1,420 4
4 Missouri (1) 15-1 1,341 5
5 Syracuse 12-1 1,296 6
6 Michigan 11-2 1,222 3
7 Illinois 12-1 1,203 8
8 Duke 12-2 1,132 10
9 UNLV 10-3 995 7
10 Louisville 12-2 988 11
11 Georgia Tech 11-1 956 9
12 Arkansas 12-2 906 12
13 LSU 10-2 843 14
14 Indiana 12-2 647 13
15 St. John's 14-3 584 15
16 UCLA 11-2 583 19
17 La Salle 10-1 466 21
18 Oregon State 12-2 396 22
19 N. Carolina State 12-3 370 17
20 Xavier, Ohio 11-1 307 25
21 Loyola Marymnt 11-3 291 23
22 Minnesota 10-3 277 16
23 Arizona 9-3 273 18
24 Purdue 11-2 217 --
25 Alabama 12-3 167 24
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| 7.24 | Oklahoma lost to Kansas St., 66-51 | CRBOSS::DERRY | Hang the DJ... | Wed Jan 17 1990 09:44 | 1 |
|
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| 7.25 | UMass on the move upward! | LEAF::NAZZARO | Dean Smith is scared of UMass | Wed Jan 17 1990 12:53 | 6 |
| In the college hoop poll, under also receiving votes, was
Massachusetts with 7 votes.
Next week, the top 25 is ours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NAZZ
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| 7.26 | I'll second the Minutemen | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Wed Jan 17 1990 13:23 | 3 |
| UMASS is on a roll, beating W.Va. soundly the other night.
TTom
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| 7.27 | A question of balance | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Some folks trust in reason | Wed Jan 17 1990 17:17 | 4 |
| Kansas St. held Oklahoma to 71 points under their average in
last night's game.
Dan
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| 7.29 | ESPN Women Basketball Schedule | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Thu Jan 18 1990 16:16 | 15 |
| ESPN will televise the following women basketball games plus regional NCAA
finals and tournament semifinals (all times EST):
Tue 1/23/90 12:00 a.m. #8 Long Beach State at #2 Stanford
Mon 1/29/90 1:30 p.m. #3 Tennessee at #4 Georgia (taped)
Mon 2/5/90 2:00 p.m. Michigan State at #6 Purdue (taped)
Sun 2/11/90 12:30 p.m. #10 Iowa at #6 Purdue
Mon 2/19/90 1:30 p.m. Mississippi at #14 Auburn (taped)
Mon 2/26/90 2:00 p.m. Ohio State at #10 Iowa (taped)
The Purdue Lady Boilermakers (11-2 as of now) will be shown nationally twice
on ESPN this season, that's almost more than it can be said for the men :(
Charles
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| 7.31 | | SASE::SZABO | MrT: the little engine that could | Fri Jan 19 1990 13:05 | 2 |
|
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| 7.32 | | GENRAL::WADE | The 68 Jets, 88 Dodgers, 89 Broncos! | Fri Jan 19 1990 13:47 | 8 |
|
Did anybody catch Sportscenter last night? They showed a clip of
an all out brawl between two of the smaller North Carolina schools.
A bunch of fans jumped in, players were using chairs on each other,
the cops were thumping people..........it looked like my old high
school lunch hours!
Claybone
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| 7.33 | a little carried away | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Fri Jan 19 1990 14:33 | 7 |
| It was between NC Central and NC A&T. I saw it and heard more reports
this morning about it. Apparently after the police thought they had it
under control, it broke out again outside. The schools are meeting today
to determine what to do about the incident and the game, which was
suspended.
TTom
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| 7.34 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Fri Jan 19 1990 14:34 | 9 |
|
Did anyone see the Buckeyes get robbed in Michigan? With 9.x seconds
remaining in the game and trailing by 3 the Buckeyes brought the ball
down court. I didn't catch who it was but the guy made an excellent
move and sank the game tieing 3-pointer...until the mystery offensive
foul was called on the shooter. There was absolutely no contact made
but amazingly they called an offensive foul. Michigan would have had
one more shot at it since there were about 5 seconds left but the
phantom foul won the game for Michigan.
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| 7.35 | Ticky-tack BS foul!! | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Run to the Hills | Fri Jan 19 1990 14:57 | 6 |
| Hoot, there was contact. Both players had their arms extended.
But there was no push like the ref called. I think the Michigan
player slipped a little and made it look more serious than it was.
OSU got jobbed, and it sucks.
Raider_Rich
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| 7.37 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Fri Jan 19 1990 15:44 | 18 |
|
MrT,
Even though the Buckeyes took it on the chin (whistle?) last night, I'm
happy with them. They really surprised me. Those guys can play! Do you
realize they don't have a senior on the roster? I think we can look
forward to some great games between them and Indiana over the next
couple of years.
I almost forgot about the play last night where the Michigan guy was
out of control, going out of bounds and threw the ball back in *to the
backcourt* where another Michigan player casually brought it back
across midcourt. Amazing.
I will agree with you on the officiating. But then again it couldn't
get much worse than last year.
HOOT
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| 7.38 | agree with the jobbing | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hockey's Human Zamboni | Fri Jan 19 1990 15:47 | 18 |
|
I saw the game and agree that the contact was mimimal at best, and the
slip by the Michigan guy probably caused the whistle. The problem was the
slip was after the two guys had seperated.
I was impressed with OSU and Ayers in particularly. No hand slapping or
hotdoggin by the OSU players. They were very intent and into the game.
I thought being a youger coach Ayers might not be as disciplined as
some, my mistake.
Higgins should be benched for Michigan, the guy does hit some
incredible timely shots but so wouldn't the rest of us if we
shot as much as him. Fischer has not improved his team offensive
discipline at all. If I was him I'd start Robinson, Caleb (who
was very impressive) Griffin, Vaught and Mills ( who seems to be
playing better/wiser ball this year).....
mike
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| 7.39 | | NRADM::KING | FUR...the look that KILLS... | Fri Jan 19 1990 21:25 | 4 |
| Re:32 The brawl was something else, I like tha part when the two
trombowne guys was going at it...
REK
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| 7.40 | | PNO::HEISER | Zamfir don't know Diddley | Mon Jan 22 1990 13:11 | 9 |
| I thought that brawl between the North Carolina schools was a black eye
on North Carolina basketball.
Situations like that can easily end up being like the soccer fiascos in
England.
I shudder to think what Lord Dean Smith would say.
Mike
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| 7.41 | Only a few short weeks away | JUNCO::SILVESTRI | I don't know why ... | Mon Jan 22 1990 13:37 | 7 |
|
Have the sights for the opening rounds of the NCAA Tourney been
announced yet? If so, what are they? If not, when will they be?
Looking forward to March Madness.
Vinny
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| 7.42 | don't know a quick way to find it | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hockey's Human Zamboni | Mon Jan 22 1990 15:57 | 9 |
|
Vinny, look back through this note, I posted it about 2 weeks ago
someplace in this file....
any technowennie's can help?
;^)
mike
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| 7.43 | AP POLL SHAKEUP | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Tue Jan 23 1990 11:34 | 55 |
|
AP MEN'S POLL (1-22-90)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Missouri (56) 17-1 1,562 4
2 Kansas (4) 19-1 1,481 1
3 Georgetown (3) 14-1 1,444 2
4 Louisville 14-2 1,317 10
5 UNLV 12-3 1,162 9
6 Arkansas 14-2 1,145 12
7 Michigan 13-3 1,129 6
8 Duke 13-3 994 8
9 Oklahoma 12-2 963 3
10 Illinois 13-3 858 7
11 Syracuse 12-3 820 5
12 Indiana 13-2 808 14
13 Georgia Tech 12-2 724 11
13 Purdue 13-2 724 24
15 St. John's 16-3 720 15
16 LSU 12-3 712 13
17 Oregon State 14-2 542 18
18 La Salle 12-1 537 17
19 Arizona 11-3 519 23
20 Connecticut 15-3 462 --
21 Minnesota 12-3 367 22
22 Loyola Mary 13-3 338 21
23 UCLA 12-3 337 16
24 Alabama 13-4 217 25
25 Xavier, Ohio 13-2 134 20
Others:
North Carolina 132
North Carolina State 98
New Mexico State 64
Michigan State 62
Colorado State 19
Providence 16
Southwestern Louisiana 14
Texas 11
Stanford 9
Clemson 7
Idaho 7
East Tennessee State 4
Alabama-Birmingham 3
Louisiana Tech 3
Memphis State 3
Maryland 2
Hawaii 1
Holy Cross 1
Iowa 1
Massachusetts 1
Virginia 1
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| 7.44 | SWC News | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Jan 23 1990 17:47 | 4 |
| The winningest men's basketball coach in SWC history was fired
yesterday. Texas A&M fired Metcalf.
Big SWC battle coming up this week as Texas takes on Arkansas.
|
| 7.45 | USA Today/CNN Poll as of 1/22 | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Wed Jan 24 1990 18:57 | 159 |
| January 22, 1990
USA TODAY/CNN College Basketball Top 25
1. Missouri (17-1)
*Last week: 4. *Poll points: 799 (31 No. 1 votes).
*Weekend result: Defeated previous No. 1 Kansas 95-87 for its 26th
consecutive home victory. Anthony Peeler scored 24 points, Doug Smith had 23,
Nathan Buntin added 22 points and Lee Coward had 20. *Next: Tuesday
vs. Rutgers.
2. Kansas (19-1)
*Last week: 1 *Poll points: 769 (1) *Weekend result:
Lost to No. 1 Missouri 95-87. Mark Randall scored 18 while Kevin Pritchard
and Rick Calloway each had 16. *Next: Saturday at Kansas State.
3. Georgetown (14-1)
*Last week: 2 *Poll points: 715. *Weekend result: Lost
to Connecticut 70-65. Alonzo Mourning had 23 points and 13 rebounds for the
Hoyas, who were scoreless for the first 7:03 of the game. *Next: Today
vs. Villanova at the Spectrum.
4. Louisville (14-2)
*Last week: 10. *Poll points: 655. *Weekend result:
Defeated Memphis State 86-69. Felton Spencer scored 25 points. Memphis
State committed 24 turnovers. *Next: Saturday at DePaul.
5. Nevada-Las Vegas (12-3)
*Last week: 11. *Poll points: 601. *Weekend result:
Did not play. *Next: Today at Long Beach State.
6. Georgia Tech (12-2)
*Last week: 9. *Poll points: 581. *Sunday's result:
Lost to Virginia 81-79. Kenny Turner sank a short jumper with five seconds
left in overtime, giving Virginia its first ACC victory of the season. Kenny
Anderson had 29 points for the Yellow Jackets. *Next: Thursday at
Clemson.
7. Louisiana State (12-3)
*Last week: 12. *Poll points: 561. *Sunday's result:
Lost to Alabama 70-55. Chris Jackson was held to 11 points and fouled out
with just over a minute left. Maurice Williamson led the Tigers with 12
points. *Next: Wednesday vs. Georgia.
8. Michigan (13-3)
*Last week: 6. *Poll points: 559. *Weekend result:
Lost to Iowa 78-76 in OT. Rumeal Robinson scored 22 of his 28 points in the
first half for Michigan. *Next: Thursday at Northwestern.
9. Duke (13-3)
*Last week: 8. *Poll points: 543. *Weekend result:
Defeated Wake Forest 97-69. Phil Henderson and Christian Laettner each
scored 18 points. The Blue Devils led by as many as 45 points. *Next:
Today at William & Mary.
10. Oklahoma (12-2)
*Last week: 3. *Poll points: 506. *Weekend result:
Lost to No. 17 Arizona 78-74. Skeeter Henry scored 14 points for the
Sooners. Jackie Jones' three-point shot pulled the Sooners to 76-74 with 35
seconds left. *Next: Wednesday vs. Iowa State.
11. Arkansas (14-2)
*Last week: 13. *Poll points: 501. *Weekend result:
Defeated Texas A&M 100-84. Todd Day's 21 points led Arkansas, which pres-
sured Texas A&M into 21 turnovers, including 12 steals. *Next: Today
vs. Houston.
12. Syracuse (12-3)
*Last week: 5. *Poll points: 464. *Weekend result:
Lost to Providence 87-86, for their first victory against the Orangemen in
the 11-year history of the Big East. Billy Owens led with 25 points. Derrick
Coleman had 23 points and a career-high 21 rebounds. *Next: Tuesday
vs. Pittsburgh.
13. Illinois (13-3)
*Last week: 7. *Poll points: 424. *Weekend result:
Lost to No. 15 Purdue 81-68. Kendall Gill scored 23 points. *Next:
Thursday at Wisconsin.
14. Indiana (13-2)
*Last week: 14. *Poll points: 381. *Weekend result:
Did not play. *Next: Wednesday vs. Michigan State.
15. Purdue (13-2)
*Last week: 19. *Poll points: 346. *Weekend result:
Defeated No. 13 Illinois 81-68. Stephen Scheffler, who missed his first
shot to end a streak of 16 straight, led the Boilermakers with 20 points.
*Next: Thursday at Ohio State.
16. St. John's (16-3)
*Last week: 16. *Poll points: 326. *Weekend result:
Defeated Boston College 65-59. Jason Buchanan scored 17 points for the Red-
men. Jayson Williams, Malik Sealy and Greg Harvey each made two free throws in
the final minute after Boston College closed to 58-57. *Next:
Wednesday at Providence.
17. Arizona (11-3)
*Last week: 24. *Poll points: 230. *Weekend result:
Defeated No. 10 Oklahoma 78-74. Sean Rooks and Jud Buechler each scored 18
points. Rooks made two foul shots with four seconds remaining for the victory.
*Next: Thursday vs. Stanford.
18. Oregon State (14-2)
*Last week: 20. *Poll points: 227. *Weekend result:
Defeated Washington 70-63. Gary Payton's 15 points, seven rebounds and
eight assists led the Beavers to their ninth consecutive victory. *Next:
Thursday at Southern Cal.
19. UCLA (12-3)
*Last week: 15. *Poll points: 201. *Sunday's result:
Defeated California 106-97. Don MacLean scored 27 points and Tracy Murray
added 25. *Next: Thursday vs. Oregon.
20. La Salle (12-1)
*Last week: 18. *Poll points: 188. *Weekend result:
Defeated Holy Cross 84-81. Lionel Simmons scored 28 points. *Next:
Today vs. Loyola (Md.).
21. Connecticut (15-3)
*Last week: Not ranked. *Poll points: 170. *Weekend
result: Defeated previous No. 2 Georgetown 70-65. John Gwynn, Nadav
Henefeld and Lyman DePriest made seven of eight free throws in the final 1:04.
*Next: Saturday vs. No. 16 St. John's.
22. Minnesota (12-3)
*Last week: 23. *Poll points: 163. *Weekend result:
Defeated Ohio State 83-78. Willie Burton had 19 points, including seven
during an 18-5 burst in the second half. *Next: Today at Wisconsin.
23. Loyola Marymount (13-3)
*Last week: 21. *Poll points: 142. *Weekend result:
Defeated Gonzaga 144-100 and Portland 131-106. Hank Gathers scored 27
points to become Loyola Marymount's all-time leading scorer. *Next:
Thursday at Portland.
24. North Carolina (13-6)
*Last week: NR. *Poll points: 95. *Weekend result:
Defeated No. 25 North Carolina State 91-81. Scott Williams scored 27 points
and Rick Fox shot 7-for-7 and had 21 points as the Tar Heels got their second
big road victory in four days. *Next: Today vs. Wake Forest.
25. North Carolina State (13-4)
*Last week: 17. *Poll points: 68. *Weekend result:
Rodney Monroe led the Wolfpack with 27 points in 91-81 loss to North Caro-
lina. Brian Howard had 19. *Next: Wednesday at No. 9 Duke.
*DROPPED OUT: No. 22 Xavier (Ohio), No. 25 Alabama.
*ALSO RECEIVING VOTES: Michigan State 42, Xavier (Ohio) 37, New Mexico
State 29, Alabama 19, Long Beach State 13, Clemson 11, Memphis State 10,
Colorado State 9, Texas 8, Iowa 3, Oklahoma State 3, Idaho 1, Massachusetts 1,
Ohio State 1, Providence 1.
*USA TODAY/CABLE NEWS NETWORK's Top 25 voting panel consists of 32
college basketball experts, including staff members from USA TODAY and Cable
News Network and reporters and editors from Gannett newspapers. Members of the
panel are from Arizona, California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Florida,
Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, New York, Okla-
homa, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont and Virginia.
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| 7.46 | AP and UPI polls | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Wed Jan 24 1990 18:58 | 79 |
| Wed Jan 24 09:25
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ASSOCIATED PRESS TOP 25 COLLEGE BASKETBALL TEAMS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Associated Press Top 25 college basketball teams, with
first place votes and records in parentheses and total points.
(games through January 21st):
TEAM PTS PVS
---- --- ---
1. Missouri (56) (17-1) 1,562 4
2. Kansas (4) (19-1) 1,481 1
3. Georgetown (3) (14-1) 1,444 2
4. Louisville (14-2) 1,317 10
5. Nevada-Las Vegas (12-3) 1,162 9
6. Arkansas (14-2) 1,145 12
7. Michigan (13-3) 1,129 6
8. Duke (13-3) 994 8
9. Oklahoma (12-2) 963 3
10. Illinois (13-3) 858 7
11. Syracuse (12-3) 820 5
12. Indiana (13-2) 808 14
13. (tie) Georgia Tech (12-2) 724 11
(tie) Purdue (13-2) 724 24
15. St. John's (16-3) 720 15
16. Louisiana State (12-3) 712 13
17. Oregon State (14-2) 542 18
18. LaSalle (12-1) 537 17
19. Arizona (11-3) 519 23
20. Connecticut (15-3) 462 --
21. Minnesota (12-3) 367 22
22. Loyola Marymount (13-3) 338 21
23. U-C-L-A (12-3) 337 16
24. Alabama (13-4) 217 16
25. Xavier, Ohio (13-2) 134 20
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL TOP 20 COLLEGE BASKETBALL TEAMS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The United Press International Top 20 college basketball teams,
with first place votes and record in parentheses. (through
games of January 21st)
TEAM PTS PVS
---- --- ---
1. Missouri (37) (17-1) 623 4
2. Kansas (1) (19-1) 557 1
3. Georgetown (2) (14-1) 531 2
4. Louisville (14-2) 396 10
5. Nevada-Las Vegas (1) (12-3) 385 9
6. Oklahoma (12-2) 288 3
7. Duke (13-3) 283 8
8. Michigan (13-3) 280 7
9. Arkansas (14-2) 251 13
10. Syracuse (1) (12-3) 206 5
11. Georgia Tech (12-2) 177 11
12. Illinois (13-3) 166 6
13. (tie) Louisiana State (12-3) 155 12
(tie) Purdue (13-2) 155 16
15. Indiana (13-2) 143 14
16. Oregon State (14-2) 92 --
17. St. John's (16-3) 60 17
18. LaSalle (12-1) 42 19
19. Connecticut (15-3) 41 --
20. Alabama (13-4) 37 --
Note: By agreement with the National Association of Basketball
Coaches of the United States, teams on probation by the NCAA
and ineligible for the NCAA Tournament are ineligible for top
20 and national championship consideration by the UPI Board of
Coaches. The teams this season are Cleveland State, Kentucky
and North Carolina State.
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| 7.47 | JC Funderburke | AUNTB::HAAS | Die, laugh I thought I'd | Fri Jan 26 1990 11:57 | 6 |
| Lawrence Funderburke has transferred to St Catherine Junior College,
Springfield, KY (I guess the rumors of him headed to Kentucky should have
been more specific). He's eligible to play next school year and he's
told his coach that he wants to be the junior college player of the year.
TTom
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| 7.48 | Free at last, free at last! | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Broncos...The tradition continues... | Fri Jan 26 1990 11:59 | 1 |
|
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| 7.49 | | PNO::HEISER | Cowabunga Dooodes! | Thu Jan 25 1990 14:44 | 4 |
| The Arizona Wildcats kept their home streak alive last night. They now
have won 42 in a row at home. Longest home streak in the nation!
Mike
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| 7.50 | Big fish, little pond | CSOA1::SIMPSON_T | | Sat Jan 27 1990 13:00 | 13 |
| I don't think this means Funderburke is "free". He doesn't
need a release to play at St. Catherine's. I've heard that
the gym at this school resembles a grade school gym --- five
rows of wooden bleachers on either side of the court.
Concerning Funderburke wanting to be JC player of the year:
before this season started, he told Indiana press that his
goal was to be an all-American AND an academic all-American
at Indiana. This even though he supposedly knew by then that
Indiana wasn't where he wanted to be. Take what this kid
says with MANY grains of salt.
tom (wishing they'd release him so they'd be DONE with him)
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| 7.51 | AP Poll 1-29-90 | FTMUDG::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Tue Jan 30 1990 10:20 | 53 |
| AP POLL (1-29-90)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Missouri (59) 19-1 1,569 1
2 Kansas (4) 20-1 1,510 2
3 Arkansas 17-2 1,349 6
4 Michigan 15-3 1,285 7
5 Duke 16-3 1,223 8
6 Georgetown 15-2 1,190 3
7 Syracuse 14-3 1,141 11
8 Purdue 15-2 1,034 13
9 Oklahoma 14-2 993 9
10 Louisville 14-3 991 4
11 Illinois 15-3 969 10
12 UNLV 14-4 936 5
13 Connecticut 17-3 819 20
14 LSU 14-4 779 16
15 La Salle 15-1 634 18
16 UCLA 14-3 547 23
17 Georgia Tech 12-4 522 13
18 St. John's 17-4 502 15
19 Minnesota 14-4 480 21
20 Lyl Marymount 15-3 391 22
21 Oregon State 15-3 305 17
22 Indiana 13-4 301 12
23 Xavier, Ohio 15-2 185 25
24 Arizona 12-4 180 19
25 N. Carolina 15-6 175 --
Others:
Michigan State 150
Alabama 106
New Mexico State 77
North Carolina State 44
Texas 23
Brigham Young 15
Idaho 11
Providence 7
Clemson 5
Pittsburgh 5
Colorado State 4
Virginia 3
Hawaii 3
Louisiana Tech 3
Villanova 3
East Tennessee State 1
Georgia 1
Holy Cross 1
Memphis State 1
Southern U. 1
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| 7.52 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Tue Jan 30 1990 15:35 | 1 |
| Purdue #8 over Oklahoma just behind Syracuse? O no!!!
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| 7.53 | USA Today: Best college hoops players | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Thu Feb 01 1990 01:07 | 48 |
| Path: shlump.nac.dec.com!decwrl!wuarchive!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!mephisto!prism!mm42
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: USA Today picks the best NCAA players
Message-ID: <5530@hydra.gatech.EDU>
Date: 31 Jan 90 22:33:11 GMT
Reply-To: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech
Lines: 38
There's an article in the January 31st edition of McPaper about the best
college players in the country. I don't generally think that highly of
the paper's opinions, but two Georgia Tech players figure prominently in
the article, so what the heck!
From the article:
The best five players:
Dennis Scott, Georgia Tech
Chris Jackson, LSU
Gary Payton, Oregon State
Lionel Simmons, LaSalle
Derrick Coleman, Syracuse
Honorable mention:
Larry Johnson, UNLV
Alonzo Mourning, Georgetown
Kendall Gill, Illinois
Bo Kimble, Loyola Marymount
Rumeal Robinson, Michigan
Gerald Glass, Mississippi
Brian Shorter, Pitt
Doug Smith and Anthony Peeler, Missouri
Alec Kessler, Georgia
The five best freshmen:
Kenny Anderson, Georgia Tech
Bobby Hurley, Duke
Shaquille O'Neal, LSU
Allan Houston, Tennessee
Jimmy Jackson, Ohio State
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| 7.54 | | REFINE::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Thu Feb 01 1990 21:05 | 3 |
| Where was the info on the tourney in Hartford? Can't find it...
-Walt
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| 7.55 | one more time | CNTROL::CHILDS | Bradshaw knows Elway | Fri Feb 02 1990 11:48 | 30 |
|
ok one more time then:
First and second rounds
east: the ommni 3/16 and 3/18 hartford 3/15 and 3/17
midwest: erwin center austin tx 3/15 and 3/17 hooiser dome 3/16 and
3/18
souteast: thompsom-boling arena knoville tenn 3/15 and 3/17
richmond coliseum richmond VA 3/16 and 3/18
west: special event center salt lake 3/15 and 3/17 long beach arena
3/16 and 3/18
regionals
east: meadowlands NJ 3/22 and 3/24
midwest: reunion arena dallas 3/22 and 3/24
souteast: Superdome lousiana 3/23 and 3/25
west: oakland alameda county coliseum 3/23 and 3/25
final four
McNichols Arena Denver 3/31 and 4/2
east regional winner vs midwest regional winner
southeast winner vs west winner....
best sources for tickets are the colleges close to the arena as they
are the host colleges (ie: UCONN for Hartford)....
mike
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| 7.56 | | REFINE::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Fri Feb 02 1990 16:01 | 4 |
| thanks...
-Walt
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| 7.57 | UPI Basketball Board of Coaches | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Sat Feb 03 1990 17:46 | 57 |
| This is the UPI Basketball Board of Coaches which votes for the UPI Top
20:
Notheast
Jim Boeheim, Syracuse
Gary Brokaw, Iona
Lou Carnesecca, St. John's
John Chaney, Temple
Mike Jarvis, Boston U.
Peter Roby, Harvard
John Thompson, Georgetown
Atlantic
Tom Aple, Appalachian St.
Gene Bartow, UAB
Don Corbett, NC A&T
Bobby Cremins, Ga. Tech.
Hugh Durham, Georgia
Terry Holland, Virginia
Dean Smith, N.C.
South
Dennt Crum, Louisville
Marty Fltcher, Southwestern La.
Eddie Fogler, Vanderbilt
Lake Kelly, Austin Peay
Mike Newell, UALR
Nolan Richardson, Arkansas
Wimp Sanderson, Alabama
Midwest
Tom Davis, Iowa
Jud Heathcote, MSU
Gene Keady, Purdue
Joey Meyer, DePaul
Digger Phelps, ND
Charlie Spoonhour, SW Missouri St.
Norm Stewart, Missouri
Central
J.D. Barnett, Tulsa
Tony Barone, Creigton
Pat Foster, Houston
Leonard Hamilton, Okla. St.
Don Haskins, UTEP
Reggie Minton, Air Force
Danny Nee, Nebraska
West
Jim Brovelli, USF
Bobby Dye, Boise St.
Don Monson, Oregon
Lute Olson, Arizona
Jimmy Pimm, UCSB
Jerry Tarkanian, UNLV
Paul Westhead, Loyola-Marymount
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| 7.58 | Following a good plan for fast, sustained success | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Mon Feb 05 1990 14:46 | 21 |
| I watched part of the Loyola-Marymount vs. LSU game this weekend. There
wasn't a lot of defense played and the final was something like 148-143 in
one overtime, but the game was a real attention grabber. Two years ago,
the LMU Lions were nothing as far as national acclaim goes. Now Paul
Westhead has put in his offense, got a few horses, and made a name for
the team. They get attention on your local news, a bunch of ESPN games,
a few national games and a national ranking in the top 25. And it looks
as though they stand to put a few guys in the pros, like Gathers (very
interesting, even if a little undersized. Knows how to get a shot off.) and
possibly Kimble - the guys who transferred together from USC. And I'll
bet recruiting gets easier and easier for Westhead. There's lots of kids
out there who that style would appeal to.
And let's say that Westhead really wants to play a more defensive game
than he is now. What better way to approach it? He can now compete for
the top prospects and then try to institute a system. I think you'll see this
team stay up there for a few years to come, but begin scoring ordinary
amounts of points as either teams catch up to their offense or as Westhead
begins coaching the way he used to.
Dan
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| 7.59 | .02 | CNTROL::CHILDS | TailGunner T and his Nakedidity | Mon Feb 05 1990 15:50 | 12 |
|
Can't see that style appealing to big men which I think will be the
reason Paul always comes up a bit short come tourney time. The tweeners
and guards will love it though. They do play defense but only in their
front court. If they don't turn the ball over then it's take your two
and give us the ball back. One thing for sure they always have people
in the frontcourt ready to go....
one thing I noticed they always looked to take the ball in up the right
sideline. Seems to me a smart coach could pick off a few...
mike
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| 7.60 | Edwards almost an LMU'er..... | POCUS::SALTALAMACCH | | Mon Feb 05 1990 17:05 | 8 |
| It's interesting to note that although the style is appealing, 5'11"
David Edwards, the up and coming PG for Gtown, and a run and gun
NYC'er, chose Gtown over LMU.
FWIW.
Redmen Phil
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| 7.61 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | Putcher money whereyer mouse is! | Mon Feb 05 1990 17:20 | 6 |
| Have you seen Arizona State's Alec Austin?
He looks like somebody took Kareem Abdul Jabbar, put him in a dryer,
and shrunk him!
Mike JN
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| 7.62 | Possible Barkley clone? | BUILD::MORGAN | | Mon Feb 05 1990 17:24 | 6 |
| This LMU team could also be in very POOR shape next year. Gathers,
Kimball and Fryer are all seniors. These three account for an average
of 82 points/game between them. Gathers had close to 50 against
LSU, although he had about 10 attempts blocked too. The guy can play.
Steve
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| 7.63 | | WFOV11::MORRISON | Starosc nie radosc | Tue Feb 06 1990 10:11 | 7 |
|
If anyone has the latest Top 10 college Bball rankings, could
you post 'em here?
Tanks in your pants,
Bull
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| 7.64 | AP Poll 2-5-90 | FTMUDG::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Tue Feb 06 1990 10:36 | 54 |
| AP POLL (2-5-90)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Missouri (58) 21-1 1,617 1
2 Kansas (7) 22-1 1,561 2
3 Arkansas 19-2 1,438 3
4 Duke 18-3 1,364 5
5 Georgetown 17-2 1,337 6
6 Syracuse 16-3 1,281 7
7 Michigan 16-4 1,113 4
8 Connecticut 19-3 1,073 13
9 UNLV 16-4 1,061 12
10 Purdue 16-3 1,013 8
11 LSU 16-4 940 14
12 Illinois 16-4 866 11
13 Oklahoma 15-3 854 9
14 La Salle 16-1 795 15
15 Louisville 16-4 739 10
16 Georgia Tech 14-4 634 17
17 Minnesota 15-4 566 19
18 Oregon State 17-3 499 21
19 UCLA 15-4 450 16
20 Lyl Marymount 17-4 376 20
21 Xavier, Ohio 17-2 298 23
22 Arizona 14-4 276 24
23 Michigan State 17-5 257 --
24 St. John's 17-6 208 18
25 Indiana 14-5 147 22
Others:
Mexico State 118
Alabama 88
North Carolina 58
Brigham Young 29
North Carolina State 18
Texas 12
Idaho 6
Clemson 5
Louisiana Tech 5
Ball State 4
Colorado State 4
East Tennessee State 3
Providence 3
Holy Cross 2
Virginia 2
Iowa 1
james Madison 1
Memphis State 1
Southern U. 1
Wright State 1
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| 7.65 | Go Big Ten! | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Tue Feb 06 1990 15:03 | 7 |
| The Big Ten may not (and I think do not) have the best team(s) in the
country, but who can argue top-to-bottom it is the best? We have 6
teams in the Top 25, and I would say that OSU is now playing better
than ranked IU. That's 7 top teams in the country out of 10 in the
conference easily.
Charles
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| 7.66 | SWC Officiating Controversy | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Feb 06 1990 16:53 | 22 |
| There is quite a refereeing controversy brewing in the SWC. Tom
Penders, head coach of UT, has been one of the more vocal complainers
about the quality of officiating. He submitted tapes from the first
Texas/Arkansas game. Something like 56 fouls were called in that game.
The head of the SWC has said that after reviewing the tapes, he agreed
there were several questionable calls. He is reserving judgement until
he gets a copy of Arkansas' tapes.
In the second Longhorn/Razorback matchup, Arkansas' coach was so upset
about the officiating which culminated in a breakaway foul against his
team (which would have iced the game for UT in regulation if Mays had
hit the shot), walked off the court and into the lockeroom. The
technical foul which is usually called for a coach leaving the coaching
box was not called.
The Austin press has been calling for an investigation into the SWC
officiating especially since the conference has been getting more TV
airtime. They feel that the quality of the officiating is a step
behind the quality of play in the SWC, and will further hurt the
reputation of the conference. As an aside, the Austin press is not
blaming the no-T call on Arkansas for the win, they are after Penders
for some poor decisions down the stretch.
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| 7.67 | Racism | SHALOT::MEDVID | Your own personal Jesus | Thu Feb 08 1990 12:06 | 14 |
| Picking up on a few notes in the ACC topic about racism...
First, Georgetown now has one (I think) white player now on its bench.
But a few years back, they had all black players and all plack
personnel. No problem (I guess). They were a good team.
Now, at the same time, the University of Toledo fielded an all white
team with all white personnel. No problem there either. They were a
good team (as far as MAC standards go).
So, wasn't Toledo taken to court because of the situation? Someone
know the background and whatever happened?
--dan'l
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| 7.68 | Mike Sable | CNTROL::CHILDS | Tyson to sucker Hogan, I hope | Thu Feb 08 1990 13:21 | 1 |
|
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| 7.69 | Guesses of NCAA Playoffs based on play so far | CSCOA3::ROLLINS_R | | Fri Feb 09 1990 18:22 | 70 |
| ASC- Louisiana Tech
AMCU- Southwest Missouri State
ACC- Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, North Carolina
ATC- Penn State, Temple
B East- Connecticut, Georgetown, Providence, St.John's, Syracuse
B 8- Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma
B Sky- Idaho
B 10- Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Purdue
B West- Cal-Santa Barbara, Nevada-Las Vegas, New Mexico State
CAA- James Madison
ECC- Lafayette
Indep- Notre Dame
Ivy- Princeton
Metro- Louisville, Memphis State
MAAC- LaSalle
MAC- Ball State, Kent State
MEAC- Coppin State
MCC- St.Louis, Xavier (Ohio)
MVC- Creighton, Southern Illinois
NAC- Boston University
N'east- Robert Morris
OVC- Murray State
Pac 10- Arizona, California, Oregon State, UCLA
SEC- Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana State
South- East Tennessee State
SLC- Northeast Louisiana
SWC- Arkansas, Houston, Texas
SWAC- Southern
S Belt- Alabama-Birmingham, South Florida
TAAC- Texas-San Antonio
WCAC- Loyola Marymount
WAC- Brigham Young, Colorado State, Hawaii, Texas-El Paso
Fictitious Tournament Scenario
------------------------------
East- #1 Georgetown vs #16 Boston University
#8 Ball State vs #9 Texas
#4 Georgia Tech vs #13 Temple
#5 Louisiana State vs #12 South Florida
#2 Purdue vs #15 Lafayette
#7 St.John's vs #10 California
#3 Louisville vs #14 Princeton
#6 LaSalle vs #11 Notre Dame
S East- #1 Duke vs #16 Coppin State
#8 Memphis State vs #9 Alabama-Birmingham
#4 Connecticut vs #13 James Madison
#5 Michigan State vs #12 Southwest Missouri State
#2 Kansas vs #15 Murray State
#7 Xavier (Ohio) vs #10 Louisiana Tech
#3 Alabama vs #14 Penn State
#6 Minnesota vs #11 Southern Illinois
M West- #1 Michigan vs #16 Northeast Louisiana
#8 New Mexico State vs #9 Georgia
#4 Oklahoma vs #13 Kent State
#5 Arizona vs #12 Colorado State
#2 Arkansas vs #15 East Tennessee State
#7 Indiana vs #10 Texas-El Paso
#3 Syracuse vs #14 Southern
#6 Clemson vs #11 Creighton
West- #1 Missouri vs #16 Robert Morris
#8 North Carolina vs #9 Providence
#4 Oregon State vs #13 Hawaii
#5 Loyola Marymount vs #12 Cal-Santa Barbara
#2 Nevada-Las Vegas vs #15 Texas-San Antonio
#7 Brigham Young vs #10 Houston
#3 Illinois vs #14 Idaho
#6 UCLA vs #11 St.Louis
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| 7.70 | Chicago_Bred, Kentucky_Red... | TRACTR::BACH | Does counter-culture involve formica? | Sun Feb 11 1990 16:47 | 12 |
| RE: SEC
I think Kentuckys record outta say something for what Pitino is
capable of doing for the Cats within the next few years. They could
still win the SEC while on their first year of probation..
I think they're one game out of first, or very close. (God I wish
I had my newpaper here...)
Go_Cats!
Big_Blue_Bach
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| 7.71 | | LOGOFF::BACH | Does counter-culture involve formica? | Mon Feb 12 1990 12:52 | 3 |
| re: -.1 (that should read "newspaper")
/cb
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| 7.72 | There's definitely a rage in the cage | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 12 1990 12:55 | 35 |
|
Temple - 83
UMass - 82 triple (3) OT
Talk about the game of the decade. If you missed this one,
you missed what was perhaps the most controversial, emotional game
in the history of UMass basketball. The first controversial shot
clock call (the clock expired before the Temple shot went in) got
Temple coach Chaney off the bench and into a near fight with UMass
coach Calipari (he grabbed his tie). The fans on the student side
at half court (me included :) almost jumped the media table before
the police barracaded. Plastic bottles and paper were being thrown
onto the court and UMass player John Tate, upset with the fan/s
who were throwing stuff almost hopped the media table to enter the
crowd of fans.
Things got out of control again when in the second overtime
with seconds left, Temple's Douglas put up a shot, missed it,
then got the rebound and was fouled by Williams (the game was tied).
The coaches ruled that the game clock had expired and that the game
would enter it's third overtime. Chaney was enraged, throwing a
tantrum that lasted what seemed hours (he *never* got a technical
foul throughout the whole game).
Other highlights of the game were UM's Jim McCoy's 1000 point in
only his sophmore year. UM's Will Hearndon's spectacular dunking
displays. T's Macon racking up 35 points and T's Hodges domination
on the inside. At one point in the game the ref ordered that the
band stop playing. In retaliation the spectators in the packed
cage led a rage that will not soon be equaled resulting in a
Temple turnover.
In all it was an incredible game. UMass has never beaten Temple
in their history. This was the closest they have ever come and
could have done it if they had put it away when they had the chance
in the end of regulation and the end of the first overtime.
sean
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| 7.73 | Wish I'd been there | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Mon Feb 12 1990 13:58 | 19 |
| The game was on SportsChannel yesterday and I watched it wire-to-wire.
It's been one of the few games I've had the patience to watch in
its entirety this year.
We'll never have a better chance to beat Temple. I felt with the
way our players hung tough and got Mark Macon to foul out, we'd
have a chance. Calipari has brought in some talented players, we
just need more of them and they need to get some more experience.
I felt the officiating was right on two of the three calls. It
is an NCAA rule that the band doesn't play while time is in. I
also felt the call involving the shot clock was correct. I felt
the call at the end of the second OT was wrong. The replay clearly
showed that there was 1 second on the clock when a foul was committed,
Temple should have been at the line with a chance to win.
Regardless of the result, it was a hell of a game.
John
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| 7.74 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 12 1990 14:42 | 12 |
|
Just a side note about Temple. I had to recheck the roster
3-4 times to understand that there is not 1 senior on the team!
Macon is a junior and Hodges (7 feet tall) is only a Freshman!
In fact, the team is LOADED with freshman (6, I think).
What a future for this team!
UMass will be looking good next year also with Williams as
a sophmore (gotta love it!), Herndon, Tate and McCoy as juniors.
In fact, I think the only player they are losing is Cary Herer.
Next year, Temple at UMASS is a must!
sean
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| 7.75 | Poll 2-12-90 | FTMUDG::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Tue Feb 13 1990 12:28 | 54 |
| AP POLL (2-12-90)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Kansas (58) 24-1 1,570 2
2 Missouri (4) 22-2 1,442 1
3 Georgetown 19-2 1,423 5
4 Syracuse (1) 18-3 1,379 6
5 Michigan 18-4 1,249 7
6 Duke 19-4 1,170 4
7 UNLV 19-4 1,161 9
8 Arkansas 20-3 1,147 3
9 LSU 19-4 997 11
10 Connecticut 20-4 940 8
11 Oklahoma 17-3 911 13
12 Purdue 17-4 857 10
13 Georgia Tech 16-4 821 16
14 La Salle 19-1 801 14
15 Illinois 17-5 661 12
16 Orgeon State 18-3 557 18
17 Minnesota 16-5 529 17
18 Louisville 18-5 512 15
19 L. Marymount 19-4 459 20
20 Arizona 16-4 439 22
21 Michigan State 19-5 378 23
22 Xavier, Ohio 19-2 285 21
23 UCLA 16-5 216 19
24 St. John's 19-6 190 24
25 New Mexico State 20-2 160 --
Others:
North Carolina State 44
Indiana 40
Clemson 28
Brigham Young 23
East Tennessee State 15
North Carolina 15
Alabama 9
Texas 8
Houston 7
Holy Cross 5
Idaho 4
Kansas State 4
Southern U. 3
Alabama-Birmingham 2
Ball State 2
California 2
Colorado State 2
Georgia 2
Southern Mississippi 2
Southwest Missouri State 2
Stanford 2
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| 7.76 | SWC News | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Feb 13 1990 13:48 | 10 |
| The SWC has turned down Texas' protest over the second UT/Arkansas
game. UT requested that the last 14 seconds of the game be replayed
since the Arkansas coach left the coaching box and headed for the
locker room before the game was over. The SWC ruled that the officials
were wrong for not assessing a technicial foul, but refused to uphold
the protest. They have basically stated that they will not uphold any
protest, legitimate or not.
Baylor has been playing the spoiler. After almost knocking off Texas
last week, they turned around and beat Arkansas.
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| 7.77 | The Rock cracks the top 10 | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Ivana better deal | Wed Feb 14 1990 12:26 | 5 |
| Slippery Rock is 9th in the latest Division 2 college basketball poll,
with a 19-3 record.
py
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| 7.78 | SWC News | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Feb 15 1990 17:40 | 5 |
| 7.79 | | LOGOFF::BACH | Does counter-culture involve formica? | Mon Feb 19 1990 13:11 | 3 |
| Kentucky downs LSU, Pitino elected governer of state.
Chicago_Bred/Kentucky_Red
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| 7.80 | | SAGE::ROSS | Send in the clowns | Mon Feb 19 1990 14:50 | 5 |
| Will North Carolina miss the tournament this year? How many "good wins"
do they have? How many "bad losses"?
Maryland took them out at the Deandome on Saturday. Gary Williams is
doing a pretty good job.
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| 7.81 | Some NCAA conf. records: don't know if all-time or not? | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Feb 19 1990 18:45 | 53 |
| Path: shlump.nac.dec.com!decwrl!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!iuvax!silver!kclenden
From: kclenden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kevin Clendenien)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Conference Strength (NCAA)
Summary: Conference records in the NCAA tourney
Keywords: Big Ten, ACC, Pac-10
Message-ID: <36320@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>
Date: 19 Feb 90 17:50:30 GMT
Sender: root@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu
Reply-To: kclenden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kevin Clendenien)
Distribution: usa
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Well, since there seems to be some interest in the strength of
different conferences, I thought this might be of interest:
NCAA Men's Basketball Championship
Best Won-Lost Percentage by Conference
WON LOST %
1. Big Ten 160 86 .650
2. Atlantic Coast 157 88 .641
3. Pac-10 119 81 .595
4. Big Eight 116 87 .571
5. Metro 73 53 .570
6. Southeastern 96 78 .552
7. Big East 138 118 .539
8. Midwestern Collegiate 52 48 .520
9. Metro Atlantic-North 17 16 .515
10. Missouri Valley 34 37 .479
Most Final Four Appearances Most Championship Game Appearances
1. Big Ten 30 1. Big Ten 16
2. Pac-10 25 2. Pac-10 15
3. Atlantic Coast 22 3. Big Eight 11
Big Eight 22 Atlantic Coast 11
5. Big East 14 5. Big East 8
Metro 14
Most Championships
1. Pac-10 13
2. Big Ten 9
3. Southeastern 5
4. Atlantic Coast 4
Metro 4
Big Eight 4
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
kclenden@silver.bacs.indiana.edu Kevin Clendenien
BLoomington Atari ST users group BLAST, President
BLAST BBS - (812) 332-0573 FNET node #141
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| 7.82 | Big East only 10 years old. Catching up fast huh BTT? ;^0 | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hey Fish, GET IN THE BOAT | Mon Feb 19 1990 19:05 | 2 |
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| 7.83 | NCAA Rules | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Feb 19 1990 19:53 | 50 |
| Path: shlump.nac.dec.com!decwrl!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!rutgers!njin!princeton!phoenix!djlinse
From: djlinse@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Dennis Linse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Rules of Basketball (NCAA)
Message-ID: <13984@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
Date: 19 Feb 90 19:53:05 GMT
Reply-To: djlinse@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Dennis Linse)
Distribution: na
Organization: Princeton Unversity, Princeton, NJ
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In article <Feb.18.23.17.00.1990.14074@pilot.njin.net>,
jablow@pilot.njin.net (Eric Jablow) writes:
> Does anyone publish the rules of basketball (at any of the different
> levels)?
In article <9780@spool.cs.wisc.edu> wood@aavin.cs.wisc.edu (John Wood)
writes:
>THE answer for the NCAA:
>
> NCAA Publishing
> P.O. Box 1906
> Mission, KA 66201
>
>NCAA Men's and Women's Basketball Rules and Interpretations $3.00
>NCAA Illustrated Men's and Women's Basketball Rules $3.00
>Read-Easy Men's Basketball Rules $1.50
Thanks for the info John! I got these books last year from the NCAA
(using the address posted here that I had since lost). *The* one to get
is the Rules and Interpretations. The other two are bascially silly
watered-down versions of the first. If you are going so far as to read
the rules, you might as well read the Rules. The interpretations half
gives a lot of particular examples, so difficult rules are easier to
understand and don't usually require the cute line drawings of the
Read-Easy book.
Be prepared to wait a while for these though. I believe that I ordered
in late May or early June. I got the Rules in August and the other two
by the end of September. That was fine, because, as I said, the Rules
and Interpretations is the one you want.
BTW, I just sent in the exact amount above. Apparently shipping is
included.
Dennis Linse (djlinse@phoenix.princeton.edu)
--
Found at the top of a looonnng homework assignment:
"Activity is the only road to knowledge" G.B. Shaw
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| 7.84 | AP Poll 2-19-90 | FTMUDG::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Tue Feb 20 1990 13:20 | 58 |
| AP POLL (2-19-90)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Missouri (61.5) 24-2 1,596.5 2
2 Kansas (.5) 25-2 1,510.5 1
3 Duke 22-4 1,384 6
4 UNLV 22-4 1,383 7
5 Georgetown (1) 20-3 1,379 3
6 Connecticut 22-4 1,127 10
7 Michigan 19-5 1,088 5
8 Georgia Tech 19-4 1,042 13
9 Purdue 18-4 1,023 12
10 Oklahoma 19-4 998 11
11 Syracuse 18-5 978 4
12 LSU 20-5 943 9
13 Arkansas 21-4 933 8
14 La Salle (1) 22-1 854 14
15 Michgan State 21-5 702 21
16 Louisville 20-5 666 18
17 Oregon State 19-4 479 16
18 Minnesota 17-6 453 17
19 Illinois 18-6 425 15
(tie) Xavier, Ohio 21-2 425 22
21 Arizona 17-5 373 20
22 Lyl Marymount 20-5 313 19
23 Clemson 20-5 147 --
24 N. Mexico State 21-3 138 25
25 Indiana 16-6 88 --
Others:
St. John's 77
UCLA 40
Georgia 36
Houston 30
Providence 24
East Tennessee State 22
Alabama 21
North Carolina State 21
California 18
Texas 17
Brigham Young 13
Idaho 5
Ohio State 5
Alabama-Birmingham 4
Southern U. 4
Cincinnati 3
Colorado State 2
Holy Cross 2
Louisiana Tech 2
Hawaii 1
James Madison 1
Notre Name 1
Southern Illinois 1
Stanford 1
UC Santa Barbara 1
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| 7.85 | | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Shoot James Brown | Wed Feb 21 1990 15:48 | 2 |
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| 7.86 | | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Shoot James Brown | Wed Feb 21 1990 15:49 | 5 |
| Ooops.
LaSalle got 1 1st place vote? Get real. Their good, but.....
Rich
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| 7.87 | AP Poll 2-26-90 | 9017::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Tue Feb 27 1990 15:53 | 56 |
| AP POLL (2-26-90)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Kansas (41) 27-2 1,570 2
2 UNLV (14) 24-4 1,492 4
3 Missouri (5) 25-3 1,448 1
4 Connecticut (1) 24-4 1,293 6
5 Duke (1) 23-5 1,288 3
tie Oklahoma 21-4 1,288 10
7 Georgetown 21-4 1,230 5
8 Michigan 20-5 1,170 7
9 Purdue 20-5 972 9
10 Syracuse 20-5 967 11
11 Georgia Tech 20-5 938 8
12 Arkansas 22-4 918 13
13 La Salle (2) 25-1 874 14
14 Michigan State 22-5 827 15
15 LSU 21-6 646 12
16 Oregon State 21-4 597 17
17 Minnesota 19-6 454 18
18 Illinois 19-6 447 19
19 Xavier, Ohio 23-2 442 19
20 Clemson 22-5 400 23
21 Louisville 20-7 330 16
22 Lyl Marymount 22-5 325 22
23 Arizona 19-6 318 21
24 N. Mexico State 23-3 186 24
25 Georgia 19-6 172 --
Others:
St. John's 75
Houston 34
East Tennessee State 21
SW Missouri State 12
Virginia 12
Louisiana Tech 10
Alabama-Birmingham 8
Alabama 6
Texas 5
Brigham Young 4
North Carolina State 4
Idaho 3
Indiana 2
Memphis State 2
UN Santa Barbara 2
California 1
Colorado State 1
Coppin State 1
Hawaii 1
Holy Cross 1
Ohio State 1
Penn State 1
Southern U. 1
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| 7.88 | | 15558::SZABO | | Tue Feb 27 1990 16:16 | 4 |
| What happened that Missouri got bumped from #1 to #3, and UNLV from #4
to #2? Did UNLV play (beat) Missouri?
Hawk
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| 7.89 | | 9017::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Tue Feb 27 1990 16:31 | 5 |
| OU beat Missouri (in Norman) and UNLV has been playing really well
lately.
Cowboy
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| 7.90 | | 8672::GIBSON | | Tue Feb 27 1990 17:06 | 14 |
|
...and the Buckeyes still get no respect. One (1) lousy vote. Un-
believable! How many ranked teams have they beaten now? Granted the
voting was done before last night's win over Illinois, what a game!,
but they beat Michigan last week. They beat Louisville and a few other
ranked teams. Yes, they have lost a few that they shouldn't have but so
has Syracuse and they are still ranked high. The Buckeyes are
definately a top 20 team. If they don't get invited to the big dance,
they will surely be the favorite to win the NIT. I really like their
new coach, Ayers. He handles the team real well and doesn't let them
forget to have fun.
HOOT
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| 7.91 | | 27748::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Tue Feb 27 1990 17:40 | 9 |
| I agree. OSU ought to be ranked by now, if they can leave IU on the
Top 25 until last week. If they do not go to the NCAA, they will be
snubbed the same reason Purdue was snubbed last year by both the NCAA
and the NIT: they had a poor pre-conference despite a good second half
of conference play. It would be a crime to let IU go based on their
success at home before the conference. You reward a team based on how
good they are, not how good they were 4 months ago.
Charles
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| 7.92 | I love their BBall team and hate their football squad | 6984::CHILDS | low altitude earth orbit, me? ha-ha | Wed Feb 28 1990 09:30 | 11 |
|
OSU should make it on strength of schedule. Dicky said according to
power ratings they had the fourth toughest schedule amoungst the 293
teams that make up division 1. I hope they go and I hope they ship
them east to Hartford so I can see my boy Jimmy (I got it right Chris)
Jackson live. Still say he's the best player I've seen in the big ten
this year. Scheffel (sp?) didn't impress me in the two Purdue games I
saw, Rameal is spectacular and then putrid, the only other player I've
seen as impressive as JJ is Kendall Gill.....
mike
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| 7.93 | | SAGE::ROSS | Is 'Driving Miss Daisy' porno? | Thu Mar 01 1990 10:22 | 6 |
| North Carolina snuck by Georgia Tech last night on a VERY questionable
call with 4 seconds left. Rick Fox drove baseline and appeared to charge
into the defender... but the call went the other way... Fox hit the
free throws to win it.
A loss would have been devastating to the Tar Heels.
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| 7.94 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Beware the Ides of March 1st | Thu Mar 01 1990 10:50 | 4 |
| I saw a replay of the call on Sports Nightly. Terrible. Is
this the only way the Heels can win a game?
/Don
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| 7.95 | SNAFU | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu Mar 01 1990 16:39 | 3 |
| Wait a minute. It was at Chapel Hill, right? So where's the surprise?
TTom
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| 7.96 | go UMass!!! | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Mon Mar 05 1990 11:56 | 8 |
|
UMass(6) *trounced* West Virginia(3) yesterday in the opening
Atlantic 10 tournament round. 78-55 was the final score. McCoy
had 17 of the Minutemen's 26 points going into the half with a one
point lead over WV. Next up should be Penn State (if they beat
Geo. Wash... which I think they did).
sean
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| 7.97 | SWC News | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:01 | 7 |
| In SWC news, the UT and Arkansas women tied for the SWC championship.
UT won the coin flip to determine seeding for the upcoming SWC
tournament.
In men's hoops, Arkansas clinched the SWC championship with a win this
past weekend. UT battles Houston tonight to determine the 2nd and 3rd
seed for the SWC Tourney.
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| 7.98 | Atlantic 10 scores? | NATASH::SACKS | | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:09 | 6 |
| Anyone get the other scores from the Atlantic 10 tourny games yesterday,
particularly URI v. Rutgers?
Thanks.
Steve
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| 7.99 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:10 | 11 |
| re: .98
Wow... You missed it? It was a buzzer beating winner for rutgers
over URI (80-79). With like 6 seconds left Dadica (wait, might
not have been him) drove the lane, scooped and scored. Next up
for Rutgers... Temple, tonight.
UMass(6) vs. Penn State(2) 7pm
Rutgers(4) vs. Temple(1) 9pm
sean
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| 7.100 | Hank Gaithers, RIP | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | THe Mountain is out !! | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:15 | 6 |
| In case you didn't hear, Hank Gaithers of Loyola-Marymount collapsed
during the game last night and was pronounced DOA at the hospital.
Gaithers had collapsed earlier in the season - which was caused
by an accelerated heart beat.,
JD
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| 7.101 | | CGHUB::SCHOTT_R | | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:27 | 21 |
| I watched the UM-WVU game on the tube (Channel 50) yesterday.
The second 20 minutes had to be the most dominant half of b-ball
UMASS has played against a decent team in the last 15 years!!!
Great outside shooting by McCoy and Barbee, good inside play by
6'3" POWER FORWARD (!!!) William Hearndon, and killer man to man
"D" by everyone! Hearndon blocked at least 6 shots inside and had
two or three MONSTER dunks!
Still, in the first half UMASS' one achilles heel this year
was apparent ... lack of height. UMASS was badly outrebounded on
both the offensive and defensive boards, and other than Hearndon
had absolutely had no inside offense. Penn State's Fogell and Barnes
and Temple's Hodge will do serious damage inside in the next round(s)
of the tournament. Still you never know ... if McCoy and Hearndon
can stay hot???
I can't wait until next year when Kennard Robinson (6'9")
becomes eligible, and frosh Jeff Meyer (7'2"), Gary Hughes (6'10")
and Ted Cottrell (6'9") arrive on the scene!
Russ
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| 7.102 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:32 | 12 |
|
re: .101
Yeah, WV outrebounded UMass something like 25 to 9 in the first
quarter? UMass does lack the height. Herndon's incredible leaping
ability makes up for his small height. The thing that surprised
me most about the game was that Harper Williams only contributed
2 points!! Very strange for the freshman sensation to go so unheard
of throughout the game. Anyways, I hope the game is being televised
tonight (anyone know what station)? Thanks.
sean
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| 7.103 | Earl's the Man | HOCUS::SALTALAMACCH | | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:35 | 4 |
| It was Earl Duncan who drove for the winning layup.
Redmen Phil
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| 7.104 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | Vigilantes for a brighter future | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:38 | 12 |
| That Gathers death was kind of a shock to me. Over the weekend, I was
thinking about Nazz' Contest to pick the eight top scorers... so I was trying
to figure out which teams might be dark horses, and who might shine down the
stretch. I was playing around with the idea of Lionel Simmons from Lasalle, or
maybe even Bill Mcaffrey off the bench for Duke, or either Gathers or Fryer
from Loyola-Marymount. I couldn't make up my mind, so I decided to wait a few
days, and see how they performed down the stretch. Then this morning I see the
paper and POW!... Gathers is dead! Have they figured out what happened? I hope
to hell it wasn't drugs. I am REALLY getting tired of all this drug crap in
sports.
Mike JN
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| 7.105 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Mon Mar 05 1990 13:41 | 11 |
|
Very doubtful, Mike. He collapsed in December from an irregular heart
beat. He was on medication to correct the problem and was cleared by
the doctors to play. They showed it on the news last night. He had just
dunked the ball and was setting up on defense and all of the sudden
fell to the floor, quivering. He was immediately carried out on a
stretcher. When they got him outside they set the stretcher down and
started CPR, to no avail. Hank Gathers was 23 years old.
HOOT
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| 7.106 | See note 169 for info on Gathers | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Mon Mar 05 1990 14:04 | 0 |
| 7.107 | | CSCOA3::ROLLINS_R | | Mon Mar 05 1990 14:49 | 3 |
| Princeton, East Tennessee State, Coppin State are all in the
NCAAs. I saw that Robert Morris was to meet Monmouth for the
Metro title but didn't see who won.
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| 7.108 | RMU is in..... | HOCUS::SALTALAMACCH | | Mon Mar 05 1990 16:56 | 4 |
| RMU won.
Redmen Phil
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| 7.109 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Mon Mar 05 1990 17:06 | 13 |
|
What I wouldn't give for UMass to defeat Penn State in the A10
playoffs tonight. That would more than likely rematch UMass-Temple
and everyone remembers what happened the last time they met (triple
overtime, controversial Temple win).
besides, Chaney's due to get a piece of me after how he acted
in the Cage!!! 8^)
I hope Williams has a better game. Herndon will be awesome
as usual. The key players I see are Herer and McCoy for this one.
sean
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| 7.110 | If we're lucky, we'll get seeded vs UNC in the NCAA's | 4159::NAZZARO | Hank Gathers - RIP | Mon Mar 05 1990 17:38 | 9 |
| If UMass plays like they did in the last 30 minutes against West
Viginia last night, they should be able to beat Penn State. I saw
some of their game last night and wasn't all that impressed. If
Herer plays up to the level he showed last night, especially in the
second half, I look for a UMass-Temple war on Thursday.
GO YOU UMIES!!!!!!!!!!!
NAZZ
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| 7.111 | Leaps and Bounds | BUILD::MORGAN | | Mon Mar 05 1990 21:55 | 3 |
| The 6'3" POWER FORWARD Herndon had 10 blocks last night.
Steve
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| 7.112 | UMass upsets Penn State | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Tue Mar 06 1990 10:56 | 20 |
|
Umass(6) 64
Penn State(2) 59
Talk about your great games!!! This was the biggest victory
for John Calipari in his 2 years of coaching. McCoy was hot in
the start to wipe out a 6 point deficit and build up to a 9 point
lead during the first half. The inside strength of Penn State with
Fogel hurt UMass players Herndon and Tate who picked up 3 early
fouls and then their 4th at the start of the second half. UMass
was not to be denied and hung in there all the way. Barbee played
some excellent ball and if it wasn't for Cary Herer's *poor* foul
shooting this game would have been over much sooner.
Great win for UMass.. Umm... Who won the Rutgers-Temple game
anyways? At the half Temple had a handy lead (please say Temple
won! please!!!!). Nothing could be sweeter than a payback to
Chaney and crew to get UMass into the NCAA tournament for the first
time in 20+ years!!!! 8^)
sean
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| 7.113 | Good luck ... | SHALOT::HUNT | Send lawyers, guns, and money ... | Tue Mar 06 1990 11:02 | 3 |
| Temple won. You got your rematch.
Bob Hunt
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| 7.114 | Temple Wins | HOCUS::SALTALAMACCH | | Tue Mar 06 1990 11:04 | 4 |
| Temple won.
Redmen Phil
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| 7.115 | Chaney's chained and Herndon's HUNGRY!!! | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Tue Mar 06 1990 11:12 | 11 |
|
Thanks. 8^) And now for an update on the UMass-Temple *series*.
Since the creation of college basketball and the existence of these
2 teams (50+ years), UMass has NEVER beaten Temple. The closest
they came was at the rage in the Cage about a month ago when UMass
lost to Temple by a single point in triple overtime.
The winner of this A10 final gets an automatic bid to the NCAA.
Whaddayathink, UMass vs. Syracuse? Herndon on Coleman.. I like
it!!!! 8^)
sean
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| 7.116 | UM vs. PSU | CGHUB::SCHOTT_R | | Tue Mar 06 1990 12:01 | 20 |
| Interesting game last night .... an ugly victory, but after
all the 8 and 20 seasons over the last 15 years, we'll take it.
Herndon, Tate and Giles were none factors last night, Herndon and
Tate because of foul trouble. I thought Williams, Barbee and Herer
played solid games. McCoy shot the lights out for a stretch in
the first half, but then cooled off and missed a lot of open shots
down the stretch. Once again Calipari's in your face man to man
"D" kept them in the game when their shots weren't falling! Also
their full court press paid off with some key turnovers at critical
junctures. By the way, Cary Herer could play for Syracuse, given
the way he shoots free throws. Its a shame he can't hit the broad
side of the barn either from the floor or from the charity stripe
because otherwise he's a solid ball handler and defender.
On Thursday, UMASS will win if they can keep Macon under 35 points
and Hodge under 20. Not letting Hodge go wild inside is definitely
the key in my opinion! How does UM 73 Temple 69 sound?
Russ
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| 7.117 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Tue Mar 06 1990 12:10 | 10 |
| Russ, I like that final score A LOT! 8^) This season Hodge
has run wild inside against UMass. It's time for Williams/Herndon/Tate
to shut this boy out! Last time they met, Macon fouled out in the
first overtime and Hodge was the ONLY player who kept Temple in
there...
Were looking at at 9:30 Thursday start for this game. My prayers
are with UMass until then 8^)
sean
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| 7.118 | AP POLL 3-5-90 | FTMUDG::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Tue Mar 06 1990 12:47 | 56 |
| AP POLL (3-5-90)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Oklahoma (47) 23-4 1,555 5
2 Kansas (9) 28-3 1,473 1
3 UNLV (3) 26-5 1,363 2
4 Syracuse 22-5 1,297 10
5 Georgetown (1) 22-5 1,224 7
6 Missouri 26-4 1,209 3
7 Michigan State (2) 24-5 1,156 14
8 Connecticut 25-5 1,143 4
9 Arkansas 23-4 1,032 12
10 Purdue 21-6 1,018 9
11 La Salle (1) 28-1 929 13
12 Duke 23-7 898 5
13 Michigan 20-7 856 8
14 Georgia Tech 21-6 823 11
15 Arizona 21-6 566 23
16 LSU 22-7 528 15
17 Clemson 23-6 494 20
18 Louisville 23-7 464 21
19 Minnesota 20-7 437 17
20 Illinois 20-7 389 18
21 L. Marymount 23-5 378 22
22 Oregon State 22-5 368 16
23 New Mexico State 25-3 238 24
24 Xavier, Ohio 24-3 199 19
25 Georgia 20-7 188 25
Others:
Houston 56
North Carolina 39
East Tennessee State 34
St. John's 24
Texas 16
Princeton 11
Colorado State 8
UC Santa Barbara 8
Notre Dame 7
Southern Illinois 7
Alabama 5
Ball State 5
Hawaii 5
Idaho 5
Ohio State 5
Southwest Missouri State 4
Brigham Young 3
North Carolina State 2
Tennessee 2
Dayton 1
Louisiana Tech 1
Penn State 1
Robert Morris 1
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| 7.119 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Tue Mar 06 1990 12:51 | 4 |
| A well-deserved move up for the Spartans who was so underappreciated
all season.
Charles
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| 7.120 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue Mar 06 1990 12:52 | 4 |
|
Are these polls a joke or what? Georgetown loses and moves up. Purdue
beats a team that was ranked ahead of them and drops down. Ohio St.
still only gets a total of 5 points.
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| 7.121 | injustice for the Buckeyes | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Tue Mar 06 1990 12:55 | 9 |
| Purdue lost to Iowa so they really do not deserve any higher (though I
do not mind this hopefully helping them to get a higher seeding in the
tournament). As for Ohio State, I think it is a crime that they are so
under-appreciated all season. I don't like the way things look for OSU
since based on this kind of respect they may be snubbed of a
well-deserved NCAA spot. The game for them at Indiana will probably be
a win-or-no-NCAA game for them. What a shame.
Charles
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| 7.122 | Houston over UT | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Mar 06 1990 13:42 | 3 |
| 7.123 | NCAA Qualifiers To Date | CSCOA5::ROLLINS_R | | Wed Mar 07 1990 10:12 | 11 |
| Nine teams now in the NCAAs.
Colonial - Richmond 22-9
East Coast - Towson State 18-12
Ivy - Princeton 20-6
Metro Atlantic - LaSalle 29-1
Mideastern Athletic - Coppin State 26-6
Missouri Valley - Illinois State 18-12
Northeast - Robert Morris 22-7
Southern - East Tennessee State 27-6
Sun Belt - South Florida 20-10
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| 7.124 | Towson State will be East Region #16 | SHALOT::HUNT | Send lawyers, guns, and money ... | Wed Mar 07 1990 10:45 | 5 |
| Prediction ...
Towson State (18-12) will be the No. 16 sacrificial lamb in the East Region.
Bob Hunt
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| 7.125 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | I sat down & wrote you a long letter | Wed Mar 07 1990 10:58 | 5 |
|
Maybe they can be the next Austin Peay. Will Dicky go stand on his head
if they are? What about Princeton?
mike
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| 7.126 | | CAM::WAY | Rig for silent running | Wed Mar 07 1990 13:52 | 4 |
| < Note 7.125 by CNTROL::CHILDS "I sat down & wrote you a long letter" >
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
EXCELLENT p-name there Mike...
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| 7.127 | John Wooden Award Nominees | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Wed Mar 07 1990 13:57 | 34 |
| Path: shlump.nac.dec.com!decwrl!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uflorida!mephisto!prism!mm42
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Wooden Award Nominees
Message-ID: <6749@hydra.gatech.EDU>
Date: 7 Mar 90 15:00:19 GMT
Reply-To: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech
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The fourteen finalists for the LA Athletic Club's John Wooden Award
and All-American Team have been announced:
(in alphabetical order)
Kenny Anderson, freshman, Georgia Tech
Stacey Augmon, junior, UNLV
Derrick Coleman, senior, Syracuse
Hank Gathers, senior, Loyola-Marymount
Kendall Gill, senior, Illinois
Chris Jackson, sophomore, LSU
Larry Johnson, junior, UNLV
Bo Kimble, senior Loyola-Marymount
Alonzo Mourning, sophomore, Georgetown
Gary Payton, senior, Oregon State
Rumeal Robinson, senior, Michigan
Dennis Scott, junior, Georgia Tech
Lionel Simmons, senior, LaSalle
Steve Smith, junior, Michigan State
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| 7.128 | Where's Scheff? | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Wed Mar 07 1990 13:59 | 7 |
| I have to say if Steve Smith, Rumeal Robinson and even Kendall Gill are
nominated then Stephen Scheffler deserves to be nominated at least (even
if he does not deserve to win).
Another case of Boiler underappreciation.
Charles
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| 7.129 | | CSCOA3::ROLLINS_R | | Thu Mar 08 1990 10:43 | 14 |
| Twelve teams now in:
Coppin State, East Tennessee State, Illinois State, LaSalle, Loyola Marymount,
Northeast Louisiana, Northern Iowa, Princeton, Richmond, Robert Morris,
South Florida, Towson State
Conference finals matchups :
Atlantic Ten: Temple vs Massachusetts
North Atlantic: Boston University vs Vermont
Ohio Valley: Murray State vs Eastern Kentucky
Trans America: Arkansas-Little Rock vs (Centenary or Stetson)
How did Vermont manage to beat Northeastern ?
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| 7.130 | | LEVERS::STROUT | an ounce of perception... | Thu Mar 08 1990 11:45 | 8 |
| UMass fans...
Ugh, don't read the Golbe's article on the UMass-Temple game
tonight. Were talking 100-21-11 in McGonigle Hall!!! 59-2 against
the A10 in the past 19 years!!!!! Calipri was the optimist as usual
8^)
sean
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| 7.131 | Don't understand | CARP::WIERSBECK | The Fabulous MN Barking Ducks | Thu Mar 08 1990 14:54 | 4 |
| How were there 11 ties in BB?
Spud
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| 7.132 | Maybe he means against the spread Spud. 8^) | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | I want my Infantile Banter! | Thu Mar 08 1990 15:01 | 1 |
|
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| 7.133 | | LEVERS::STROUT | an ounce of perception... | Thu Mar 08 1990 15:02 | 10 |
| re: .131
I had the same question. When is there *ever* a tie in
basketball??? Oh! Maybe it means they are 100-21 in 11 seasons..
121/11= 11
Yeah, that sounds better.
go_umass! 8^)
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| 7.134 | | CSCOA5::ROLLINS_R | | Fri Mar 09 1990 12:34 | 15 |
| LaSalle Explorers 29- 1 .967
Loyola Marymount Lions 23- 5 .821
East Tennessee State Buccaneers 27- 6 .818
Coppin State Eagles 26- 6 .813
Princeton Tigers 20- 6 .769
Northeast Louisiana Indians 22- 7 .759
Robert Morris Colonials 22- 7 .759
Northern Iowa Panthers 22- 8 .733
Murray State Racers 21- 8 .724
Richmond Spiders 22- 9 .710
Arkansas-Little Rock Trojans 20- 9 .690
South Florida Bulls 20-10 .667
Temple Owls 19-10 .655 [Not sure of record]
Illinois State Redbirds 18-12 .600
Towson State Tigers 18-12 .600
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| 7.135 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Fri Mar 09 1990 12:41 | 5 |
| > Temple Owls 19-10 .655 [Not sure of record]
Temple is now 20-12 (.625)
sean
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| 7.136 | From the SWC | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Mar 09 1990 13:18 | 9 |
| In the first round of the women's SWC tournament, Texas pasted Houston
101-58. Texas Tech upset Arkansas. Arkansas was the team that ended
Texas' SWC winning streak at 132 games.
The men's tournament starts today. Texas plays A&M at noon (CST).
There is concern over Texas star Travis Mays. Mays has been playing
most of the season with a hyperextended finger. There is alot of
swelling after the games, and this will be the first time he will have
to play on consecutive days.
|
| 7.137 | | SAGE::ROSS | Doug Vs. The Volcano | Fri Mar 09 1990 14:30 | 5 |
| Clemson leads Wake Forest at the half, 44-33... with Wake coming
back from 26 down to cut the lead to 11 with a 3-pointer at the
halftime buzzer.
UCONN leads Seton Hall 36-26 at the half.
|
| 7.138 | | CSCOA5::ROLLINS_R | | Fri Mar 09 1990 15:55 | 5 |
| Clemson beat Wake 79-70. Wake trailed by 4 with about 1 minute to
go. Clemson made front end of one-and-one, missed second.
Wake had 3 shots at 3-pointer to cut margin to two, then was fouled
on rebound. However, Chris King missed both FT's, and Clemson
scored remaining four points of game to win by nine.
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| 7.139 | | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Bart,your alive,and buck naked too! | Fri Mar 09 1990 17:20 | 4 |
| Last I heard Providence-Gougetown 25 all with about 7 min. left
in the 1st.
Rich
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| 7.140 | | MUSKIE::WIERSBECK | The Fabulous MN Barking Ducks | Fri Mar 09 1990 18:05 | 6 |
| These are the "made for TV" tourneys that have been discussed?
Seem kind of pointless,
Spud
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| 7.141 | UPI Academic All-America | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Mar 12 1990 02:40 | 36 |
| Path: shlump.nac.dec.com!decwrl!ames!think!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!peppler
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: UPI Academic All-American Teams
Message-ID: <1990Mar9.175734.22623@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 9 Mar 90 17:57:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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Here's a worthwhile list: the UPI Academic All-American teams!
FIRST TEAM: David Jamerson F Ohio
Alec Kessler F Georgia
Andy Toolson F BYU
Michael Iuzzolino G St. Francis, PA
Den Smith G Maine
SECOND TEAM: Joel DeBortoli F San Francisco
Jim Nairus F Holy Cross
Peter Runge F Manhattan
Myron Lewis G Western Carolina
Jim McPhee G Gonzaga
THIRD TEAM: Walker Lambiotte F Northwestern
Kit Mueller F Princeton
Matt Steigenga F Michigan State
Kenny Ammann G Stanford
John Mackay G Dartmouth
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| 7.142 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Mon Mar 12 1990 13:23 | 4 |
| I've written ESPN a nasty letter complaining about their only covering
less than half of the first half of the UMass - Temple game.
John
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| 7.143 | | FDCV07::GARBARINO | | Mon Mar 12 1990 14:11 | 4 |
| anyone know the winner of the Southern/Texas Southern game ?
Joe
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| 7.144 | NIT | FTMUDG::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Mon Mar 12 1990 14:27 | 25 |
| NIT Match ups:
1st ROUND
Wednesday
Marquette (15-13) at Penn State (21-8)
Tenn. (15-13) at Memphis St. (18-11)
New Orl. (19-10) at J. Madison (20-10)
Thursday
Mass. (17-13) at Maryland (18-13)
Baylor (16-13) at Mississippi ST. (15-13)
La. Tech (20-7) at Vanderbilt (16-14)
Wis.-G. Bay (21-7) at S. Ill. (26-7)
Stanford (18-11) at Hawaii (23-9)
Tulsa (17-12) at Oklahoma St. (16-13)
Southern U. (25-5) at Fordham (19-12)
Friday
Holy Cross (24-5) at Rutgers (16-16)
Oregon (15-13) at New Mexico (17-12)
Bowling Green (18-10) at Cin. (19-13)
Kent State (21-7) at St. Louis (17-11)
Creighton (21-11) at DePaul (18-14)
L. Beach St. (22-8) at Ariz. St (15-15)
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| 7.145 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Mon Mar 12 1990 14:30 | 7 |
|
re: .144
Thanks. Is the UMass-Maryland game on Thursday going to be
televised?
sean
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| 7.146 | Denver Post games so far: | FTMUDG::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Mon Mar 12 1990 14:46 | 31 |
| re: 145 It doesn't look like it--atleast in Colorado. You might find
it on cable and/or satellite PSN or others:
Denver Post Televised games:
NCAA
1st ROUND
Thursday
10am Clemson-BYU, ESPN
12:30pm La Salle-S. Miss, ESPN
2:30pm Louisville-Idaho, ESPN
5:00pm LSU-Villanova, ESPN
7:30pm Indiana-California, ESPN
10:30pm Ohio St-Providence, CBS
Friday
10:00am Duke-Richmond, ESPN
12:30pm St. John's-Temple, ESPN
3:00pm Alabama-Colorado St, ESPN
5:00pm Georgia-Texas, ESPN
7:30pm Notre Dame-Virgina, ESPN
10:30pm Loyola Marymount-New Mexico St, CBS
2nd ROUND
Saturday
10:00am 4 games to be announced, CBS
Sunday
10:00 am 3 or 4 games to be announced, CBS
Cowboy
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| 7.147 | | PNO::HEISER | rock & roar | Mon Mar 12 1990 14:48 | 11 |
| Arizona trounced their way through the PAC-10 tourney in Tempe over the
weekend. They have been playing excellent ball the last couple months
and are peaking at the right time.
ASU scored a big upset win over Oregon St. (Payton & Co.) in the second
round of the PAC-10 tourney. They've been invited to the NIT. First
post season visit for ASU since Byron Scott and Alton Lister played
here. Looks like Frieder is on course considering this is only his
first season at ASU.
Mike
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| 7.148 | Big-8 no respect | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Mar 12 1990 15:44 | 15 |
|
For those convinced that the small schools are getting a good screwing
at the hands of the networks, all week long on ESPN we were subjected
to in-and-out coverage of every small-college championship or
semifinal you could think of. Then on Saturday, #1 Oklahoma is taking
on #2 Kansas in the Big-8 semifinal, and the game was *nowhere* to be
found: not on the networks, not on cable, not even on UHF. Only the
final was televised all weekend, and only on cable. What gives?
(Come to think of it, wasn't every ACC tournament game on the tube?
I know the ACC is more popular, but there must be some interest in #1
versus #2 in the country.)
glenn
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| 7.149 | no Big Ten in NIT as expected | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Mar 12 1990 15:47 | 8 |
| When was the last time no Big Ten team was represented in the NIT?
This time I guess Penn State counts as a pseudo-Big Ten representative
:)
Not that I think Wisconsin, Iowa or Northwestern deserve to go to the
NIT....
Charles
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| 7.150 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Mar 12 1990 15:48 | 6 |
| Re:.147 ASU
Freider better quit right now so that ASU can go on to win the NIT
:) :)
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| 7.151 | Go TSU TIGERS !!!! | FRSBEE::BROOKS | Real men don't *DO* House Music | Mon Mar 12 1990 18:41 | 10 |
| re .143 (?)
Texas Southern won. They are in the NCAA Tourny against Georgetown
.... ugh.
However they did get a #14 seed, which is incredibly high for them.
Congrats to my alma mater, and head coach Robert Moreland !
DrM
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| 7.152 | AP POLL (3-12-90) | FTMUDG::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Tue Mar 13 1990 11:00 | 31 |
| AP POLL (3-12-90)
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Oklahoma (57) 26-4 1,590 1
2 UNLV (3) 29-5 1,472 3
3 Connecticut 28-5 1,436 8
4 Michigan St (3) 26-5 1,411 7
5 Kansas 29-4 1,276 2
6 Syracuse 24-6 1,186 4
7 Arkansas 26-4 1,120 9
8 Georgetown 23-6 1,064 5
9 Georgia Tech 24-6 1,046 14
10 Purdue 21-7 971 10
11 Missouri 26-5 940 6
12 La Salle (1) 29-1 908 11
13 Michgan 22-7 881 13
14 Arizona 24-6 854 15
15 Duke 24-8 791 12
16 Louisville 26-7 654 18
17 Clemson 24-8 509 17
18 Illinois 21-7 482 20
19 LSU 22-8 384 16
20 Minnesota 20-8 327 19
21 L. Marymount 23-5 303 21
22 Oregon State 22-6 230 22
23 Alabama 24-8 186 --
24 New Mexico State 26-4 167 23
25 Xavier, Ohio 26-4 112 24
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| 7.153 | Maybe you didn't graduate at all! | 4159::NAZZARO | UMass NIT-bound: GO YOU UMIES!!! | Tue Mar 13 1990 12:03 | 6 |
| Doc -
I thought your alma mater was Houston Baptist? Are you 'vanin'
on your which college you graduated from?
NAZZ
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| 7.154 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | Vigilantes for a brighter future | Tue Mar 13 1990 14:42 | 13 |
| Coppin State will be heaving a sigh of relief. They've finally broken the small
Black school curse of drawing one of the top five teams.
RANK (1st Place votes) RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS
1 Oklahoma (57) 26-4 1,590 1
2 UNLV (3) 29-5 1,472 3
3 Connecticut 28-5 1,436 8
4 Michigan St (3) 26-5 1,411 7
5 Kansas 29-4 1,276 2
---> 6 Syracuse 24-6 1,186 4
Mike JN
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| 7.155 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | iceMAN | Tue Mar 13 1990 15:30 | 4 |
|
Just out of curiosity... what was Coppin State's computer ranking.
If they're not in the top 64, they shouldn't even be in the tourney.
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| 7.156 | How bad are they??? | WJO::POLAY | | Tue Mar 13 1990 15:46 | 10 |
| Don't have the Computer Rankings in front of me but from ratings I
have, the mighty Coppin State Eagles have a rating of 61 (high is
good). This is lower or equal to the entire conferences of BIG
EAST, PAC10, BIG10, SEC (= FLA!), MVC, WAC, BIG8, AND ACC.
The Towson State Tigers are the only ones rated lower in the tournament
at 60.
...charlie
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| 7.157 | | 7983::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Tue Mar 13 1990 15:56 | 2 |
| I thought Dock said he went to Rice! He must have mucho degrees, eh?
Denny
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| 7.158 | Guess who's better than Coppin State??? | WJO::POLAY | | Tue Mar 13 1990 15:57 | 8 |
| More on Coppin State--I found 159 teams with higher road power ratings
than the Eagles. That includes such notables as the Hartford Hawks,
the Texas-San Antonio Runners, the Wright State Raiders, the Montana
Grizzlies, the Marshall Thundering Herd, the Pepperdine Waves, and EVEN
Boston College and Northwestern!!!
...charlie
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| 7.159 | | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Mar 13 1990 15:58 | 1 |
| Dock has as many degrees as he has favorite teams!!!!111(tm)
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| 7.160 | Don't believe the (statistical) hype ... | EARRTH::BROOKS | Real men don't *DO* House Music | Tue Mar 13 1990 18:57 | 19 |
| Coppin State's rating was actually much higher, but the minute they
stopped playing out of conference games, the people in charge of
the power ratings started doing a hatchet job on them.
Don't underestimate CSU, they are a darn good team.
The P.R. are based on YOUR record, your OPPONENT's records, and
THEIR opponent's records.
So unless you stay in the Top 20 exclusively, your power rating
is at the mercy of others.
And given SU's penchant for under-acheivement, and Jim Boeheim's
'coaching', keep a close eye on that game.
We could see one hell of an upset - that is, if the officials will
allow it ... (remember Duke-Mississippi Valley in '86 ???) ...
DrM
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| 7.161 | | CSCOA5::ROLLINS_R | | Tue Mar 13 1990 19:21 | 5 |
| It has been awhile, but there was one small predominantly-black school
actually favored in a first round NCAA game a few years back.
Alcorn State had a couple of years in a row where they were exceptional,
and won their first round game (as a favorite) before losing a tough
game in the second round.
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| 7.162 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue Mar 13 1990 19:58 | 5 |
|
I don't remember Duke-MV, Doc but I do remember the Stomper's boys
batting the ball away, i.e. delay of game, against Ohio St. in the
tourny a couple of years ago and the refs allowed Georgetown to
illegally run the clock out and win the game.
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| 7.163 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Wed Mar 14 1990 11:01 | 3 |
|
anyone know if there is going to be a radio station broadcasting
the UMass/Maryland game tomorrow? thanks.
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| 7.164 | | CGHUB::SCHOTT_R | | Wed Mar 14 1990 11:49 | 8 |
| re: 163
Sure, WMUA (Amherst) and WHMP (Northhampton). If you're looking
for something east of the Quabbin Reservoir though, you can probably
forget it. You can always spend $50+ in toll calls and call the
special 900 line thats broadcasting all the NIT games.
Russ
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| 7.165 | Chris Jackson speaks out! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Wed Mar 14 1990 11:51 | 18 |
| Anybody catch the comments made by Chris Jackson in regards to LSU and
his teammates a couple days ago? Pretty interesting.
Basically he said LSU didn't deserve to go into the tourney this year
and that his teammates were utterly uninspired. My favorite line was
Jackson saying that he'd try to pump the guys up and all he'd get would
be glassy stares.
Granted, he may be trying to just psych up the Tigers for an
end-of-season run, but I gotta believe there's some truth here. LSU
has been a major disapointment this year. Loads of talent but no
chemistry. Should be interesting to see how they perform in the
tourney. A quick bow out could seem some interesting movement on some
LSU players to the NBA.
- ACC Chris
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| 7.166 | Grind your axe elsewhere ... | FRSBEE::BROOKS | Real men don't *DO* House Music | Wed Mar 14 1990 11:52 | 5 |
| re .162
What in the hell does that have to do with the subject Hooter ?
Or were you looking for an excuse to bash JT ?
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| 7.167 | change the Baton | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Wed Mar 14 1990 12:12 | 4 |
| Perhaps the problem is the guy on the bench not wearing the uniform,
Bobby Knight's friend, Dale Brown.
TTom
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| 7.168 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | No matter where you go,there you are | Wed Mar 14 1990 12:21 | 14 |
| There was a show on Prime Sports cable last night called "March
Madness", which featured Tark, Billy Tubbs, Mike K., and Jim Valvano.
It was pretty good, and pretty funny. The coaches were razzing
each other, like ragging on Tark for the conference they play in,
or Billy Tubbs (Hey Billy, do you teach your guys any plays, or
do they simply run up and down the court? And Billy says "We have
1 play." "oh yeah, what is it?" "I forgot".)
I thought it was pretty good. The coaches felt Ceorgia Tech, Arizona
were good teams on a roll right now.
If your cable company shows it, watch it.
JD
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| 7.169 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Wed Mar 14 1990 12:33 | 6 |
| So, am I the only one who thinks Ball State is going to rip
apart Oregon St, tomorrow? 8^) I can't believe they were only ranked
12th in the West. Oregon St. is only favored by 1 on the line,
that has to tell you something.
sean
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| 7.170 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Wed Mar 14 1990 13:08 | 9 |
|
Getting bossy, again, eh Doc? Just shootin' holes through your,
conspiracy against small black schools getting screwed by the refs
by not allowing them to win, theory, by pointing out that a very big
underdog Ohio St. team getting screwed in the tourny by the refs to the
benefit of the Stomper's boys.
HOOT
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| 7.171 | | ACTING::MACGREGOR | | Wed Mar 14 1990 14:12 | 8 |
| >So, am I the only one who thinks Ball State is going to rip
>apart Oregon State, tomorrow?
No, in fact, based on the first 20 or so replies in the contest
round 1, almost 80% picked Ball State.
The Wizard
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| 7.172 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Fun,fun,fun... | Wed Mar 14 1990 15:41 | 4 |
| 7.173 | AP All Americans | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Wed Mar 14 1990 17:52 | 41 |
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From: rws@grad6.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: AP All America Teams (NCAA)
Keywords: NCAA
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Here are the AP All-America Teams for this year. They are selected by the
same group that do the Top 25 for AP each week.
1st Team
Chris Jackson LSU
Gary Payton Oregon St.
Lionel Simmons LaSalle
Larry Johnson UNLV
Derrick Coleman Syracuse
2nd Team
Bo Kimble Loyola Marymount
Rumeal Robinson Michigan
Doug Smith Missouri
Dennis Scott Georgia Tech
Alonzo Mourning Georgetown
3rd Team
Kenny Anderson Georgia Tech
Steve Smith Michigan St.
Kendall Gill Illinois
Hank Gathers Loyola Marymount
Steve Scheffler Purdue
Ronnie Smith Duke University Durham, NC
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| 7.174 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Wed Mar 14 1990 17:53 | 7 |
| Surprised to see Scheffler on the third team.
Anyone has the honorable mention list?
Also, should be interesting comparing this list to the preseason list.
Charles
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| 7.175 | I like Dale 'bout as much as Knight does. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Thu Mar 15 1990 10:00 | 14 |
| Follow-up to my .165 LSU comments:
Appears Mr.Jackson wasn't doing a psyche job after all. Story in
today's paper has it practically a done deal that Jackson will turn pro
after this season. Probably not a great move on his part, but it's
gotta be a bitter irony for Dale Brown. He's gone out and brought in
some mega-touted players to go with Jackson, but the resulting poor
chemistry (not to mention probable bad attitudes) drive the kid away!
I love it!
- ACC Chris
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| 7.176 | | BAUCIS::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Fri Mar 16 1990 08:57 | 8 |
| LSU is somewhat of a disappontment,but let's face it;they're young and
very inexperienced.
O_J
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| 7.177 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Fri Mar 16 1990 11:12 | 9 |
|
Could someone post the scores to the following games? I know
the winners but I need the spreads 8^) thanks in advance.
UCSB/Indiana
Dayton/Illinois
Georgia Tech/East T.
UNLV/Little Rock
Ohio State/Providence
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| 7.178 | NIT games | FTMUDG::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Fri Mar 16 1990 11:18 | 34 |
| NIT scores yesterday:
Fordham 108
Southern U. 80
Maryland 91
Massachuseetts 81
Mississippi State 84
Baylor 75
Oklahoma State 83
Tulsa 74
Vanderbilt 98
La. Tech 90 OT
Wis.-Green Bay 73
S. Illinois 64
Stanford at Hawaii-- ?? late game
Today's games:
Holy Cross (24-5) at Rutgers (16-16) 5:30pm [Mountain Times]
Bowling Green (18-10) at Cincinnati (19-13) 6:00pm
Kent State (21-7) at St. Louis (17-11) 6:30pm
Creigton (21-11) at DePaul (18-14) 6:30pm
Oregon (15-13) at New Mexico (17-12) 7:30pm
Long Beach State (22-8) at Arizona State (15-15) 8:00pm
Cowboy
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| 7.179 | NCAA Thursday Results | WJO::POLAY | HOYA doing? | Fri Mar 16 1990 11:22 | 23 |
| All of Thursday's NCAA scores:
Clemson/BYU 49/47
LaSalle/SMiss 79/63
UConn/BU 76/52
Cal/Ind 65/63
Cal-SB/Houston 70/66
MSU/Murray 75/71
LSU/Villinova 70/63
GTech/ETennSt 99/83
OK/Towson 77/68
NCar/SWMoSt 83/70
Ark/Princeton 68/64
Dayton/Illinois 88/86
BallSt/OreSt 54/53
Louisville/Idaho 78/59
UNLV/ArkLR 102/72
OhioSt/Prov 84/83
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| 7.180 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:13 | 19 |
| The Minutemen closed out a fantastic season with a tough 10 point
loss at Maryland last night before a small crowd. The NIT should
have scheduled a doubleheader at the Centrum with us, Maryland,
Rutgers and Holy Cross. It was 68-67 Maryland with 6:30 to go,
the Terps put on a little run to get it to 74-69 with 5:48 left.
Freshman Harper Williams fouled out with 4:48 left and the official
gave him a technical. The Terps hit 4 free throws and then hit
2 more 14 seconds later and that was it.
UMass coach John Calipari was quoted as saying that he felt the
kids were scared going in and he tried to make them more scared
of him than they were of the Terps. It worked for a while.
I'm optimistic about the future. We're only losing one senior and
Calipari has brought in a good recruiting class. I just hope some
other school doesn't grab Calipari for a few years, until there's
a decent base up in Amherst.
John
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| 7.181 | Inquiring minds want to know..... | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:16 | 8 |
| Any confirmations on the notion of Cris Jackson turning pro?????
There was an article in our local paper saying that Jackson, his
mother and high school coach made the decision. Dale Brown while
not denying it made a joke out of it.
anyone with further info?????
rub
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| 7.182 | I doubt it... | REFINE::ASHE | Don't have a cow, man... | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:29 | 1 |
| If they confirm it, can he play in the tournament?
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| 7.183 | no, if agent/nba involve{ | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:31 | 5 |
| Jackson's eligibility would be lost if he contacted an agent or notified
the NBA of his intentions. So far, there's no rule against just talking
about it.
TTom
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| 7.184 | Last minute technical fouls | CGHUB::SCHOTT_R | | Mon Mar 19 1990 10:48 | 17 |
| After reading/watching how technical fouls called during the
last five minutes of two tournament games (UMASS-Maryland, St.John's-
Duke) turned close games around, I was wondering what people thought
about the restraint ref's should/shouldn't show in calling such a
foul in late game situations. Plays which result in anywhere from
4 to 7 points being scored in a single possession are truly killers.
It seems to me that in the last minute, heat of battle, a good
ref could overlook the off-hand remark uttered in frustration by
a nineteen year old athlete, or a rolaid-popping coach. Of course
if it wasn't my team being penalized, I might feel differently (:-)).
Russ
(As far as I know, neither Louie C. or John Calipari offered the
"T's" as excuses for the losses.)
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| 7.185 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Mar 19 1990 12:08 | 6 |
| The Texas men's and women's basketball teams made it into their
respective Sweet 16 of the NCAA's this weekend. The Lady Longhorns
thumped Ohio State while the men came back from a 9 point deficit to
squeak by Purdue. Two clutch foul shots by Travis Mays put the 'Horns
on top with 7 seconds left. "Panama" Meyers sealed the vicotory with a
blocked shot on a driving Purdue guard.
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| 7.186 | | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | PLAY BALL!!! | Mon Mar 19 1990 12:13 | 5 |
| Anyone know who's left in the Division 2 playoffs? (I believe they're
down to the final eight.)
py
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| 7.187 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Mon Mar 19 1990 12:39 | 17 |
| The only men's survivors I know are one quarterfinal, Bridgeport
vs Cal State - Bakersfield. The Bentley women's team is a
semifinalist, playing Oakland, Mich on Friday night. Cal-Poly Pomona
and Delta State are the other semifinalists. Rochester won the
NCAA Division 3 men's tournament over DePauw, Hope beat St John
Fisher for the Division 3 women's title. And Birmingham-Southern
plays Wisconsin-Eau Claire for the NAIA men's title tonight.
Division 1 women's teams:
East Regionals at Norfolk: Clemson vs Tennessee, Providence vs Virginia
Mideast at Iowa City: Washington vs South Carolina, Vanderbilt
vs Auburn
Midwest at Austin: NC State vs Texas, Louisana Tech vs Purdue
West at Stanford: Stanford vs Mississippi, SF Austin vs Arkansas
John
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| 7.188 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Mar 19 1990 12:42 | 8 |
| Re:.185
Texas' men program came a long way since Tom Penders came along.
Remember that three years ago Gene Keady's name was among those
mentioned for the Texas job? He was offerred but turned it down and it
went to Penders. Now Penders beat Keady to get into the Sweet 16.
Consider the Longhorns lucky :) ?
Charles
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| 7.189 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Mar 19 1990 12:45 | 5 |
| Penders (they are calling him Tournament Tom) was a great aquisition
for Texas. UT fans are sweating it out these days, though. There are
rumors that he may be leaving for another college. Part of the reason
for why he may leave has been attributed to the poor officiating in the
SWC.
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| 7.190 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | Better Living Through Chemicals! | Mon Mar 19 1990 13:18 | 11 |
| In the NCAA Tournament, a Friday or Saturday game, the losing team had 46 fouls
called against it!!!!!
Was it New Mexico vs Loyala M.? Kansas State vs Xavier?
I can't remember. This is all becoming a blur. Anybody see which game I mean. I
kept thinking it was really disgusting, the game went forever, and I thought it
was cheap. The Refs were calling fouls that bordered on the silly. I doubt if
ANY team that has won thus far could have won with 46 fouls called against
them.
Mike JN
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| 7.191 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | You find one in every car... | Mon Mar 19 1990 13:30 | 13 |
| The women's tourney.
Washington beat DePaul on Saturday - big doings in these here parts.
However, the DePaul team was pretty 'classless' and sore losers
after the game. They complained about the refs, the crowd, they
said Washington didn't have a good team (they have been ranked #4
and #3 this year), that they won't go far in the tourney, blah,
blah, blah. Glad to see the Blue Demons get womped. Mostly DePaul
couldn't handle the Huskies full court pressure, prompting the DePaul
'star' to claim that the Huskies defense won't work against the
other teams in the tourney. Hrumph.
JD
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| 7.192 | Courtesy of the Springfield Union | WFOV12::MORRISON | Keep your baseball! | Mon Mar 19 1990 16:41 | 12 |
|
NCAA Men's Division II Schedule
Springfield Civic Center
Saturday March 24th
Kentucky Weslyan vs Southeast Missouri State 1pm
North Dakota vs Jacksonville 3pm
Bridgeport U. vs Cal St Bakersfield 6:30pm
Gannon vs Morehouse St 8:30pm
Bull~
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| 7.193 | | WFOV12::MORRISON | Keep your baseball! | Mon Mar 19 1990 16:44 | 8 |
|
Re .192
Sorry, should be Jacksonville State, not Jacksonville.
But you knew that.
Bull~
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| 7.194 | thanks Bull | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | PLAY BALL!!! | Mon Mar 19 1990 16:47 | 1 |
|
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| 7.195 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Mon Mar 19 1990 16:52 | 5 |
|
Anyone got Division III info? In particular University of
Rochester, NY?? thanks.
sean
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| 7.196 | | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | PLAY BALL!!! | Mon Mar 19 1990 16:59 | 6 |
| Sean,
University of Rochester won the Division 3 title; .187 has the details.
py
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| 7.197 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Mon Mar 19 1990 17:02 | 6 |
| YOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't wait to get
back to 'chester!!!! 8^) They had a pretty invincible team this
year. I'm glad they went all the way... too bad I only got to see
the first couple of games of the season.
sean
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| 7.198 | Yeah, thanks Bull, and, CONGRATS!!!!!111(tm) | SASE::SZABO | I'm a Titles man myself! | Mon Mar 19 1990 17:27 | 1 |
|
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| 7.199 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Mon Mar 19 1990 17:34 | 8 |
|
Anybody got any Division VIII scores?
How did Alice's University of Hair Dressing do against McDonalds
Hamburger college?
-Dick
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| 7.200 | | CAM::WAY | We are your Overlords | Mon Mar 19 1990 17:37 | 6 |
| Sister Mary Stigmata Incarnate beat Heiffer Humper University 2-0, when
the Heiffer Humpers failed to show... Something about a cow-tipping
party the night before....
You heard it here first...
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| 7.201 | sometime I'll have to tell you the TRUE story of cow tipping | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Mon Mar 19 1990 17:47 | 4 |
|
Saw, Ouch! 8^) Floorward on that reply though!
sean
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| 7.202 | Rochester N.Y.= Basketball Mecca :-) | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Marge,call me Mr.Idiot,please | Mon Mar 19 1990 18:07 | 10 |
| Hey Sean, are you from Rochester?? Nexted time yer in town call the
local Dec office and look me up. Then you can teach me cow-tipping!
Really, Rochester has put itself on the hoops map lately, U of R
men winning the NCAA Div.III, St. John Fisher women #2 ranked
nationally in basketball, Tony Scott starting for Syracuse, etc..
I guess when your city has nothing for kids to do, they play
hoops!!!
Rich
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| 7.203 | Fantasy Tournament Dept. | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Tue Mar 20 1990 11:00 | 41 |
|
Since I first posted the note, a lot of people have asked about
the Division VIII games, so here is an update:
In a hair-raising finish, the Clippers of Alice's U of Hairdressing
flattened the Fryers of McDonald's Hamburger College, 85-84. Down
by a point with just a few seconds left, the ball was given to the
Clip's go-to man, Eddie "Mousse" Skowron at the top of the key.
Expecting the 5'3", 285 lb. guard to step back for the set shot,
the defense swept up to meet him. He then parted the defense, curled
toward the hoop, and laid in the ol' dippedy-doo for the win as
time ran out.
It was shear madness as the fans cut out their permanent wave in
the stands and washed onto the floor, kissing the team, and each
other. Ya gotta love 'em.
Their next opponent will be the Garnishers of Johnston and Wales
Culinary School. the 'Nishers will be hungry for this one as they
are out to avenge an earlier loss to the Clips at the Pie-dome.
Their more seasoned players feel that this victory and the championship
will be the icing on the cake to a great year.
Other top seeds include the Debits from the NY School of Accounting,
who with their winning percentage of .9141635 (rounded) had their
best quarter ever. Considering that they weren't even expected
to balance their win-loss columns when the ledger opened on the
season, ya gotta give 'em credit. With a lot of junior executives
on the team, you might want to pencil them in as a team of the future,
even if they get erased in the early rounds this year.
Another grand season was also orchestrated by Coach Bobby Dean Fiedler
of the Julliard School of Music, whose composed team has played
well all year in an up-tempo conference. Look for a big finish
from them before the fat lady sings.
Later, dudes and dudesses.
-Dick
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| 7.204 | | CAM::WAY | O God of Battles | Tue Mar 20 1990 11:21 | 25 |
| 7.205 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | I cain't be bought...out | Tue Mar 20 1990 11:37 | 10 |
| Dick I read where a lot of the players on the Clippers team
have been cutting class all season. Also there is talk that
an investigation involving a points shaving scandal is underway.
And it seems Mr. Skowron had a few brushes with the law during
the tournament.
It's a shame to see something like this rear its ugly head. I'll
clip out the article and send it to you.
/Don
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| 7.206 | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! | 4159::NAZZARO | Thanks Minutemen, for a GREAT year!! | Tue Mar 20 1990 15:19 | 3 |
| Dick - great note!!!!!! A top candidate for NOTY.
NAZZ
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| 7.208 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | Better Living Through Chemicals! | Tue Mar 20 1990 16:43 | 13 |
| ROLLIN' RICHARD~!@#$%^&*!!!
PS. - I had no idea frank was that old!
Q
/)) M
/ \| I
( ^`& K
\`\`\ o E
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| 7.209 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Tue Mar 20 1990 16:55 | 4 |
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Good one Mike.. you're on a roll today, huh? 8^)
sean
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| 7.210 | | SASE::SZABO | Channel Z, all static, all day, forever! | Tue Mar 20 1990 17:41 | 4 |
| Hey Mike JN, why don't you enter that animated one I sent you the other
day, you know, that menage a trois thingie? :-)
H'awk
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| 7.211 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | Better Living Through Chemicals! | Tue Mar 20 1990 18:33 | 13 |
| No way, H'awk! The Mods would all gang up on me
and take turns whackin' ma STUFF!
MIKE JN
<<< Note 7.210 by SASE::SZABO "Channel Z, all static, all day, forever!" >>>
Hey Mike JN, why don't you enter that animated one I sent you the other
day, you know, that menage a trois thingie? :-)
H'awk
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| 7.212 | | CAM::WAY | O God of Battles | Wed Mar 21 1990 10:22 | 8 |
| It was a good one though...
But, remember what the Nuns would do to ya for all them there
"impure thoughts"!
Now, now.....
'Saw
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| 7.213 | Sr. Mary Elephant- what a gal!!!!11 | SASE::SZABO | Channel Z, all static, all day, forever! | Wed Mar 21 1990 10:25 | 1 |
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| 7.214 | counting again | SAGE::ROSS | Dick Tracy Mania Starts Now! | Thu Mar 22 1990 16:49 | 27 |
| Below is a tally of the number of times each team was scheduled to appear
on national tv {ESPN, CBS, ABC - no NBC data} this past season. It does
not include pre or post-season tournaments.
Big East ACC Big 10
===================== ==================== ====================
Syracuse 11 North Carolina 12 Michigan 9
Georgetown 10 Duke 9 Illinois 8
Pittsburgh 8 Georgia Tech 8 Indiana 7
Seton Hall 8 NC State 8 Iowa 6
St. John's 8 Virginia 7 Minnesota 5
Villanova 5 Clemson 4 Ohio State 5
Connecticut 4 Wake Forest 3 Michigan State 3
Providence 4 Maryland 2 Purdue 3
Boston College 3 Northwestern 2
Wisconsin 2
Total 61 Total 53 Total 50
Avg/Team 6.8 6.3 5.0
For Dan's comments about Knight being one of the most overexposed coaches,
it simply was not true in 1989-90. There were 11 teams in the Big East,
ACC, or Big 10 on national tv more than the Hoosiers... Some other teams
like UNLV, LSU, Loyola-Marymount, etc. were also on more times.
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| 7.215 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Thu Mar 22 1990 17:18 | 5 |
| From this we can see that by TV exposure the most overrated teams are
Seton Hall and Pittsburgh (8), the most underrated teams are Purdue (3),
Clemson and Providence (4).
Charles
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| 7.216 | I'm mourning for the Red..... | POCUS::SALTALAMACCH | | Thu Mar 22 1990 18:59 | 24 |
| Re: Billy Singleton T in the SJU-Duke game, Louie C. did have some
to say. He felt the refs should have been more sensitive to the
timing of the call.
Its interesting to note that Singleton only said "That's a foul?",
and still got hit for the T.
In all fairness to Duke, they began their comeback minutes before.
This certainly fueled it, but the Redmen (everyone to a man),
said Duke won the game because of their tireless defense at the
end, not the refs calls.
I really thought the Redmen were going to pull this one out, and
(as it turned out) have a real shot in the Meadowlands vs. UCLA
and then, perhaps UConn.
But, this season started on a low note (without Jayson Williams),
continued that way (with the second loss of Jayson) and ended
the same with the loss vs. Duke.
But, we'll be back next year.
Redmen Phil
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| 7.217 | A look back at a Pre-season poll | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Fri Mar 23 1990 03:17 | 65 |
| Path: shlump.nac.dec.com!decwrl!dogie.macc.wisc.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!peppler
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: A look back to the preseason poll...
Keywords: college
Message-ID: <1990Mar22.164320.16926@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 22 Mar 90 16:43:20 GMT
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Since the Sweet Sixteen play begins tonight, I thought you might get a chuckle
out of CNN-USA Today's PRESEASON College Basketball Poll (Sweet Sixteen with a
*):
1 UNLV *
2 Syracuse *
3 LSU
4 Michigan
5 Georgetown
6 Illinois
7 Arizona
8 UNC *
9 Arkansas *
10 Missouri
11 UCLA *
12 Temple
13 Notre Dame
14 Oklahoma
15 Duke *
16 Louisville
17 Pitt (flop)
18 Minnesota *
19 Indiana
20 NC State
21 Oklahoma State
22 Florida (flop)
23 Georgia Tech *
24 Clemson *
25 Houston
They really didn't do too bad, with the obvious exception of teams
like Pitt and Florida. And, as usual, Notre Dame was overrated. And,
the UConn's, Michigan State's, Purdue's, and Kansas' were missing
(three of them didn't even get a vote!).
Other Sweet Sixteen teams, if you extrapolate the voting:
30 Ball State
32 Texas
34 LMU
35 Alabama
37 Michigan State
48 Xavier
And:
NR UConn !!! (not even mentioned once in the
Big East Outlook column!)
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| 7.218 | | SAGE::ROSS | Dick Tracy Mania Starts Now! | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:14 | 9 |
| Nadev Hadenfield - 21 year old freshman.
Dikembe Motumbo - 23 year old junior.
Something is wrong, wrong, wrong here. Foreign athletes who come
to play in the U.S. should only be allowed two years eligibility if
they are older than 20 when enrolled.
UCONN's season {just like Seton Hall's with semi-pro Gaze last year}
gets a big "*" in my book...
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| 7.219 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | ZsaZsa's dog to wed, film at 11 | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:21 | 7 |
| Doug,
That's nothing. Foreign distance runners were many times 26-27
years old and competing against our own 18-21 year olds. Talk
about unfair.
JD
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| 7.220 | | ACTING::MACGREGOR | | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:22 | 15 |
| RE: ages
Yes something has to be done, but be careful of who you use as
examples. I'm in a five-year school and was a full year older
than most when I started college. I will turn 23 in MY junior year,
but nobody would think second of this should I decide to play on
some sport.
I don't want to start a rathole here and should one develop I won't
be involved, but "Is it possible that you just noticed these players
because they are on widely seen teams and are foreign?" My guess
would be that there are countless examples of American athletes
in the same predictament.
The Wizard
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| 7.221 | | SAGE::ROSS | Dick Tracy Mania Starts Now! | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:34 | 22 |
| > I don't want to start a rathole here and should one develop I won't
> be involved, but "Is it possible that you just noticed these players
> because they are on widely seen teams and are foreign?" My guess
> would be that there are countless examples of American athletes
> in the same predictament.
>
> The Wizard
I don't think so... An American athlete capable of playing at Div. 1
level NCAA athletics would probably have to graduate on time from H.S.
and then enroll for the following year. I believe the "clock" in terms
of eligibility starts when the student graduates. He has five years
{four playing plus one redshirt} of eligibility I believe. Exceptions
are made for students who enter the service {Georgetown had a 27 year
old former Army man at power forward several years ago} or who must
go on religious missions {BYU - Michael Smith just graduated and I think
he's 25 or 26 after spending two years in another country}.
I think foreign players should be given four years scholarship but only
two years eligibility. That way it puts the burden on the athletic
department. No more using the Big East as a one or two year training
camp before heading off to the NBA or Europe.
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| 7.222 | No no no | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:39 | 17 |
| Re:Ross
Many foreign players do not play organized basketball at as early an
age as Americans. And certainly not at as high a caliber of competi-
tion as American high school hoops.
And why should we deprive them a chance of getting an education (give
them the benefit of the doubt here), letting their maturity affect the
team in a positive way? Is this to say a 60 year old grandma should be
discriminted in any way if she is to decide to go back to college? Why
the double standard? What's fair? It's really unfair to the older
athlete (and if you single out "foreign" athletes, that's another
problem right there).
And then, what are you going to do about all those Mormon missionaries
in BYU? And even (remember him?) Curt Clawson years ago of Purdue?
Charles
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| 7.223 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:42 | 9 |
| Who would give a 4 year scholarship for a guy to play 2 years if he can
get someone else to play 4 years with the same money? This is plain
discrimination.
BTW, the UConn guy Hanafield (sp??) was in the Israeli service because
everyone there has to join after high school. So what's your call on
him? Is he eligible or not?
Charles
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| 7.224 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:56 | 21 |
| The eligibility clock starts when someone enrolls in college not
when s/he graduates from high school. Once someone enrolls in college
(even if s/he drops out later the same day) that is when the 5 year
clock starts. A person has the 5 years to complete 4 years of
eligibility with the only extensions that I know of being granted
for active military service or for religious reasons as with BYU.
I understand your feelings about the older foreign athletes JD,
because our track athletes ran into it as well. Our great runner
from the seventies, Randy Thomas, was an All-American for 3 years
in cross-country because he was among the top 25 american born runners
in the NCAA Cross Country championship. But, he wasn't in the top
25 overall because of the foreign runners and to get under his skin,
his teammates used to jokingly call him a "backdoor All American."
If NCAA competition is going to be open to all american born students
regardless of age, I do feel it's unfair to discriminate against
the foreign born students. They should have a full four years of
eligibility.
John
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| 7.225 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | ZsaZsa's dog to wed, film at 11 | Fri Mar 23 1990 13:03 | 19 |
| John,
Randy Thomas was someone I thought of. I remember one NCAA
cross-country champeenship where U of Washington and UTEP were battling
it out - both teams were filled with African runners. I didn't
mind the comp - cuz I loved watching they race, but some were 8
years older - tough to stomach, especially in a sport where the
peak years of performance are 28-35 (Long distance running, i.e.).
But, I don't think there is much you can do about it. Charles brings
up a good point about the players not having the early training
that Americans do - Akeem is a prime example of that (and Christian
Okoye).
Personally, I think there should be some sort of age requirement,
but I dont' think someone should be banned simply due to age - but
perhaps have years of eligibility reduced....
JD
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| 7.226 | More Penders moving rumors | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Mar 23 1990 13:38 | 6 |
| The Penders rumor mill is churning. Earlier in the week it was
reported that Florida was trying to get him to coach there. Now it is
rumored that NC State is trying to get Penders as Valvano's
replacement. Penders still has 2 or 3 years on his contract at Texas
and is denying all rumors (as any good coach in the regional finals
should).
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| 7.227 | | DELNI::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Mar 23 1990 14:06 | 8 |
|
I have no problem with athletes of any age having 4 years eligibility,
as long as they stick it out. Andrew Gaze came over for some
experience and big-time exposure before checking out. He was
essentially a professional.
glenn
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| 7.228 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Fri Mar 23 1990 14:07 | 32 |
| Long distance running is an unusual situation because as you say,
JD, the peak age is older than the peak age in most sports. I agree
that in some way, something must be done, but I can't think of what
to do in order to make it fair.
Consider Nadav Henefeld for a minute. He wanted to come to an american
college but had to wait because of Israel's mandatory military
requirement. I don't think he should have any of his years of
eligibility reduced if it's not being applied equally to an American
Citizen.
There was a neat story in SI about a month ago about a 40 or so
year-old mother of 4 teenaged girls who went to college after her
husband walked out on her. While going back to college she decided
to play basketball and made the women's varsity team. I will admit
that this was a junior college but I don't think she should have
to be subjected to reduced eligibility. Why should a hypothetical
foreign student in the same situation be treated differently than
she is?
Something doesn't seem fair but I don't know what to do about it.
I believe the NCAA has instituted a sliding scale for eligibility
for older-than-normal athletes. I can guarantee though that if
it's not something applied fairly and equally, the NCAA will be
facing a lawsuit.
(Note that eligibility rules are different below Division 1. Manute
Bol ended up at Bridgeport partly because he wouldn't have been
eligible for a full 4 years at Cleveland State where he would have
been at Bridgeport)
John
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| 7.233 | | SAGE::ROSS | Dick Tracy Mania Starts Now! | Mon Mar 26 1990 12:21 | 6 |
| Is Bo Kimble a lottery pick-type guard? I can't decide, probably due
to LMU's style of play... but if I were an NBA GM I would look at Bo as
a real problem pick. Is he going to be a Freeman Williams?
I do know that I would LOVE to have a shot at Larry Johnson for my
team, anytime.
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| 7.234 | | CAM::WAY | Be exellent to each other... | Mon Mar 26 1990 12:38 | 16 |
| Re Henefeld:
While Nadav was considered a freshmen, his elegibility only
is for two more years. I wasn't aware if any of you knew that,
since no one mentioned it.
Nadav has three total years of eligibility, due to his playing
one season of organized basketball (w/ the Israeli team).
Any type of organized hoops will lessen eligibility, even
an organized summer league.
If we had a mandatory military requirement here, the average
age of our college athletes would be much higher...
'Saw
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| 7.235 | | 7983::RIEU | In search of...Mr Trout! | Tue Mar 27 1990 11:17 | 3 |
| UConn coach Jim Calhoun has beeen named Coach of the Year by both AP
and UPI.
Denny
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| 7.236 | Congrats, Coach... | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Pork is not a verb | Tue Mar 27 1990 12:31 | 7 |
| Denny,
That is great news. Having met and talked with COach Calhoun when
he was at Northeastern, I'm really happy for him. He's a great
guy.
JD
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| 7.237 | | CAM::WAY | Be excellent to each other | Tue Mar 27 1990 14:48 | 7 |
| < Note 7.236 by RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO "Pork is not a verb" >
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But it sure is fun....
Congrats Coach Calhoun, for a great season!
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| 7.238 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Pork is not a verb | Tue Mar 27 1990 18:49 | 7 |
| Saw,
My p_name is from a piece of graffiti I saw in a club lasted weekend.
I was there, er, urinating, when I read it, started guffawing.
Struck me as purty funny...
JD
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| 7.239 | | PNO::HEISER | hanging 10 with E.T. | Tue Mar 27 1990 18:59 | 5 |
| > My p_name is from a piece of graffiti I saw in a club lasted weekend.
> I was there, er, urinating, when I read it, started guffawing.
> Struck me as purty funny...
JD, better be careful. That's how one gets wet.
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| 7.240 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | WON MAN ISS NO TOO BLAM! YUO AR!! | Tue Mar 27 1990 19:27 | 3 |
| To Pork.... or not to Pork.... THAT.. is the question.
Mike JN
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| 7.241 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | PORKED IN A NO PORKING ZONE | Wed Mar 28 1990 12:39 | 2 |
|
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| 7.242 | | CAM::WAY | Be excellent to each other | Wed Mar 28 1990 14:25 | 8 |
| Speaking of Graffiti, I was in this bar in Chicago one time, and
they had (get this) whiteboards on the walls in the Mens' room.
It was great. You could write what you wanted, in the the truest
sense of the Avant Garde "Anti" art movement, it would likely
disappear before the evening was through...
Chainsaw
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| 7.243 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Wed Mar 28 1990 14:30 | 1 |
| They have this in ZKO too I think.
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| 7.244 | They have a bar in ZKO? | SASE::SZABO | | Wed Mar 28 1990 14:39 | 1 |
|
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| 7.245 | tryin out the p-name | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hawk transfer story at 11 | Wed Mar 28 1990 14:42 | 6 |
|
Is it saturday yet? Boy I can't wait for the final four. Four excellent
teams should be a good one.....
mike
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| 7.246 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Wed Mar 28 1990 14:42 | 1 |
| whiteboards next to the toilet papers I meant of course.
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| 7.247 | | OURGNG::J_WARDLE | Better get a T-O Baby!!! | Wed Mar 28 1990 18:53 | 9 |
| 7.248 | Another bummed UCONN fan 8^) 8^) | CAM::WAY | Be excellent to each other | Thu Mar 29 1990 09:57 | 7 |
| Yawn....
Are they *still* playing BASKETBALL?
Isn't it time for the college world series yet?
Chainsaw
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| 7.249 | No transfer story, Mikey. No bar, no transfer! :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Thu Mar 29 1990 10:53 | 1 |
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| 7.250 | swami says | SAGE::ROSS | Noting Lambada-style | Thu Mar 29 1990 12:14 | 11 |
| I called the Chris Jackson to the NBA move early this year guessing that
he would be fed up with Dale Brown's act and having to bring along the
twin towers - O'Neal and Roberst.
Next guess is that both Larry Johnson and Dennis Scott will be in the
NBA next year... Johnson because he can't do much more at the college
level and Scott because his value is at a peak... Kenny Anderson will want to
do more next year and teams may be able to find a way to slow Scott
down or at least be better prepared for him.
Chris Jackson, Johnson, and Scott will all be lottery picks...
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| 7.251 | SWC Coaching Moves | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Mar 29 1990 13:00 | 8 |
| Tom Penders has agreed to a contract extension with Texas. He received
a raise for himself and his two top assistants (he was very adament
about getting a raise for his staff). The contract is for 7 years and
will put him and his assistants in the top 10% for college coaching
salaries.
Texas A&M has a new coach for their basketball team. The signed
Idaho's coach.
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| 7.252 | OU drops women's basketball | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Mar 29 1990 13:01 | 3 |
| Oklahoma has dropped their women's basketball program citing lack of
support. This despite OU's strong performances over the last few
years.
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| 7.253 | CU Basketball | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Thu Mar 29 1990 13:11 | 5 |
| The Denver Post (and the Rocky Mountain News) say that Long Beach
State's Joel Harrington will be named head coach at CU, probably today.
...mike
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| 7.254 | What else does Swami say? | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Surprise, feat and a ruthless efficiency | Thu Mar 29 1990 15:27 | 6 |
| >Chris Jackson, Johnson, and Scott will all be lottery picks...
And where will Marcus Liberty go? Or Stacey Augmon (if UNLV gets in
any trouble)?
Dan
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| 7.255 | wants to take Coleman's place | CNTROL::CHILDS | ABTL=ABTP these days | Thu Mar 29 1990 15:43 | 10 |
|
Liberty is reportedly headed Syracuse's way. His body definately
needs another year of college to fill out. Stacey is reportly
going to Georgetown. Why I don't know perhaps he feels Stomper can
teach him more defense. Of course should they win it all Stacey
value will increase and perhaps he'll declare, but when asked
during the season what he would do if UNLV received probation he
said he was going to Georgetown....
mike
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| 7.256 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Thu Mar 29 1990 16:12 | 8 |
|
> Oklahoma has dropped their women's basketball program citing lack of
support
Pretty shabby program when they can't even provide them Playtex
cross-your-heart jobbers.
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| 7.257 | is it allowed? | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Thu Mar 29 1990 18:56 | 8 |
| OU women's program:
They don't have money? A threat to the NCAA like "see what happens
when my football program gets on probation" huh? Ridiculous. Doesn't
the NCAA has some kind of rule requiring major colleges to provide
women sports along men sports?
Charles
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| 7.258 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Thu Mar 29 1990 19:42 | 7 |
| Charles,
It is allowed provided OU is offering comparable opportunities in
enough other women's sports. I can't think of any real reason for
them to drop women's basketball, though.
John
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| 7.259 | | FTMUDG::REED | OklaSt--#29 NCAA Wrestling Championship | Thu Mar 29 1990 20:26 | 7 |
| It sounded like the main reason was just lack of interest which
must mean that each sport must have to bring in a certain amount
of $$ to stay alive. The paper said that there was no fan support
and so it was dropped.
Cowboy
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| 7.260 | | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Fri Mar 30 1990 11:11 | 9 |
| ESPN covered the OU womens' BB story and ran a graphic comparing
attendance for men's and women's BB:
Oer the last year, the men's team averaged 10,492 fans per game.
The women's team averaged 200, and played to a TOTAL of 160 fans over
their last four home games.
...mike
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| 7.261 | I'm missing something here. | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Fri Mar 30 1990 11:44 | 6 |
| Guess I don't understand why fan interest is so important. Isn't it
enough that there are students out there who want to *play*? Or am I
wrong in assuming that the game is for the players and not the fans.
- ACC Chris
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| 7.262 | $ in their eyes | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri Mar 30 1990 11:50 | 10 |
| Chris, you are wrong. The game is for the school, not for the players and
not for the fans. OU dropped the program because of the money. They were
losing a quarter mill on the program. I doubt that the women's swim team
attracts any more than a couple of hundred people (if that many). Did
they drop that one too?
A point here: the money spent on the women's hoops will be recycled to
*ALL* other sports, men's and women's.
TTom
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| 7.263 | my opinions only of course | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Fri Mar 30 1990 12:38 | 12 |
| If there's no support for OU's women hoops program, the problem is not
with the sports and the athletes themselves. After all it is women's
basketball, how many schools can draw like Texas, Tennessee or La.
Tech? For most of the colleges that play women's basketball they don't
play in many more fans than the OU team. What if they raise their
average to about 500? How much more money they make out of that? The
bottom line is the women basketball program loses money anyway, and if
they lose another $20,000 for it so be it. OU is rich from its other
sports, and it is so unfair to those players, not to mention a gender
problem.
Charles
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| 7.264 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Mar 30 1990 12:39 | 2 |
| OU is being sued over their decision to drop their women's bball
program.
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| 7.265 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Fri Mar 30 1990 12:40 | 1 |
| Yeah!
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| 7.266 | | GENRAL::WADE | Is it the shoes! | Fri Mar 30 1990 12:59 | 6 |
| I would bet this decision has something to do with lost TV revenues
for having been put on football probation. I may be wrong, but
usually big time schools have a couple of major sports which support
the rest of their sports programs.
Claybone
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| 7.267 | OU will regret this (incredibly bad) decision. | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Fri Mar 30 1990 13:02 | 48 |
| > Chris, you are wrong.
Wouldn't be the first time! ;^)
> The game is for the school, not for the players and not for the fans.
Not sure if you're being cynical or not here TTom. I suspect you
are (knowing you like I do!). The fact that the women's hoops team
wasn't drawing fans, IMHO, should have absolutely ZERO bearing on
whether or not to drop the sport. Do they drop other extra-cirricular
activities cause they don't draw fans??? (i.e. Band, Choir, Chess
Club, etc, etc, etc) [no]
> OU dropped the program because of the money. They were losing a
> quarter mill on the program.
Now wait just a cottin' pickin' minute here. $250,000 on women's
basketball???? Ya gotta be kidding!! How the heck could it possibly
cost that much??? There's practically no equipment needs every year
(recycle jersey's, maybe a couple new balls a year). The coach can't
make that much. I'm sure they're not using their own personal trainer,
but rather one shared amongst the athletic department. The only
appreciable costs are travel related, which I'll admit might add up.
But with the bucks OU pulls in from hoops and football (gotta be
enormous sums) I can't believe they can't afford to send the lady
hoopsters on a few road trips, and I definitely can't believe it could
add up to .25 million bucks. No way.
> I doubt that the women's swim team attracts any more than a couple of
> hundred people (if that many). Did they drop that one too?
Exactly.
> A point here: the money spent on the women's hoops will be recycled to
> *ALL* other sports, men's and women's.
Oh goody. Now the OU football criminals can have 5 sets of jerseys
instead of the 4 they've probably got now. Or maybe they can afford
to give Billy Tubbs a raise. This whole thing stinks. A lawsuit and
as much negative publicity as possible on the Oklahoma athletic
department is the only solace to be gained at this point. (Actually
I might end up feeling pretty good before this whole thing is over!)
- ACC Chris
- ACC Chris
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| 7.270 | A dead issue. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Apr 10 1990 18:18 | 5 |
| Hate to disappoint ya big guy, but the lawsuit's been dropped. OU has
reversed their obviously horrendous decision.
- ACC Chris
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| 7.272 | | CSCOA5::ROLLINS_R | | Wed Apr 11 1990 12:39 | 11 |
| > That's good news. At least the lawyers won't be able to pervert
> our nation's values in this matter. I hope OU wasn't forced to
> reinstitute the women's program, though. If it deserved to be
> dumped on its merits then it should stay in the dump.
I can't agree that the program should be dumped even if not a revenue
generator. The law of the land requires that equal opportunity to compete
should be offered to all equally, both male and female. However, if
money is the main/only issue, perhaps Oklahoma should have the women's
team compete at a lower division and save on travel costs. How would the
legal system look upon such a matter, anyone care to guess ?
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| 7.273 | | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Wed Apr 11 1990 12:45 | 29 |
| > That's good news. At least the lawyers won't be able to pervert
> our nation's values in this matter. I hope OU wasn't forced to
> reinstitute the women's program, though. If it deserved to be
> dumped on its merits then it should stay in the dump.
Call me simple-minded, but I'm confused. (Or could it be I'm having
trouble deciphering MrT's caustic sarcasm?) First you say it's good
news that OU's reinstating women's hoops. Then you say you hope this
doesn't mean the women's hoop program has been reinstated. Care to
clarify this DoubleSpeak, or would you rather (in true Orwellian and
MrT fashion) just claim it has Truth.
> ACConfessed, you broke me up big-time when you claimed that a women's
> hoop squad would have trouble running expenses past a quarter million.
> What a great sense of humor you have!
Knock off the ACConfessed stuff will ya, unless you're referencing my
emotional testimony that led an impartial jury to conclude I ran a
totally honest and above-board Contest.
And your paraphrase of what I said is inaccurate. There's a
bit of a diff between "running expenses past" (you salesy folks
are expert in this craft) and running a cost-efficient operation
that might not include charter jet flights and unlimited recruiting
trips.
- ACC Chris
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| 7.275 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Amazon Women Moon the Men | Wed Apr 11 1990 16:27 | 6 |
|
That damn 110.0 note has a way of resurfacing more than Jason Voorhees
and Freddy Kreuger put together.
-Dick
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| 7.276 | | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Wed Apr 11 1990 16:34 | 31 |
| > No, Bob Hunt acolyte, ...
Given the way Bob is ripping you apart over in 25 (kinda reminds me of that
Hucksters at Gophs game this year) I'll take that as acompliment. Thank you!
> I said it was good that they dropped their spurious lawsuit.
They dropped the lawsuit cause the hoops program was reinstated. You can't
applaud the lawsuit drop and boo the hoops reinstatement cause they're
intertwined. Hope this helps clear things up for ya.
>> Call me simple-minded.
> Simple-minded [sic].
HAHAHAHA!! Good one MrT!!!! Gotta admit, you got me on that one!!!!
Hilariously funny stuff (for a 2nd grader, maybe).
Oh and BTW, I gotta admit I'm a little sick of your [sic] stuff. If you've
got a fantasy to be an English perfessor, why not make the career switch?
We'll survive, poor typers and spellers that we are ...
re: The Trial
Let's let sleeping dogs lie, shall we? A Contest was held, a Winner
declared, a Trial took place, and I was found Innocent. It's all a
matter of public record in 110, so no need for you to start spewing
sour grapes (again).
- ACC Chris
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| 7.278 | UPI College BB Notebook | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Thu Apr 12 1990 11:17 | 95 |
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Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: College Basketball Notebook
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Wondering what Jim Valvano will do now that the North Carolina
State rug has been pulled from under him?
Not to worry.
At the least, Valvano will do next season what former Kentucky
Coach Eddie Sutton did this past one. He'll be a roving representative
of the Nike shoe company, visiting teams and making speeches, things no
one does any better than the loquacious Valvano.
A year from now, Valvano, like Sutton this month, will be a viable
candidate when the college job market opens. Sutton is returning to his
alma mater, Oklahoma State, after his year's layoff.
As for the pros, the vast majority of teams prefer someone with pro
coaching experience and aren't interested in a high-profile individual,
such as Valvano. The NBA is a players' league.
A possibility for Valvano is a coaching job in Italy, though
insiders say he doesn't want to leave his family for a year or risk
being forgotten by going overseas.
While Valvano's reputation is damaged, it can be healed with time.
Once Valvano gets with an athletic director or school president behind
closed doors, he'll easily and quickly sell himself.
The bottom line is that Valvano is neither a bad guy nor convicted
cheater. He just needs the proper parameters within which to operate.
His downfall at N.C. State came because he was given too much freedom
from the school's administration. The resulting problems can't
completely be put on his shoulders.
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CAVALIER ATTITUDE: After having almost a year to find a replacement
for Terry Holland, it's now considered at least an even bet Virginia
will ask assistant Jeff Jones to take the job. That's a move that
appeared dead as recently as a week ago.
But Athletic Director Jim Copeland obviously botched his one-man
search, though he can't be entirely blamed for the flip-flop by
Providence Coach Rick Barnes.
Barnes initially accepted the job. Then, after Copeland told two
other candidates of Barnes' decision, Barnes pulled a Larry Brown
switcheroo and reneged. In 1988, Brown accepted the UCLA job while in
Los Angeles, then changed his mind when he got back to Kansas. He later
went to the NBA's San Antonio Spurs, leaving Kansas with NCAA sanctions.
Barnes probably won't get another chance so soon, though the North
Carolina native might jump to N.C. State if given the opportunity.
Copeland was so shaken by the developments that he issued a
statement explaining what Barnes had done and then encouraged follow-up
interviews to further shift the blame. However, Copeland has to bear
some responsibility for allowing Stanford's Mike Montgomery and Penn
State's Bruce Parkhill to pull out before Barnes actually signed.
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MORE COACHING: The most surprising switch of the annual spring
cleaning has been Lon Kruger from Kansas State to Florida. Kruger
rejected a couple chances to move last season and many felt he would to
stay a long time at K-State, his alma mater.
But the Florida deal was too good. Kruger's contract is
automatically extended by the number of probation years the school might
get from an ongoing NCAA investigation. Plus, Florida is a fertile
recruiting area, far better than Kansas and the surrounding states.
Although its tradition is minimal, Florida is considered a Top 20
program because of location and facilites. Kansas State may not be Top
50 despite its long record of competitive teams.
The same reasons explain why Leonard Hamilton went from Oklahoma
State to Miami. Miami, however, hasn't established a base of fan
support. Florida has one.
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BONUS SHOTS: The tryouts for the U.S. team in the Goodwill Games
and World Championships are scheduled for May 17-22 in Colorado Springs,
Colo. Duke's Mike Krzyzewski will coach both teams and expects to have
the same players for both events, which are in July and August.
Krzyzewski wants to have mostly rising college sophomores and
juniors but c
wrapping up a season in Italy.
Most interesting of the rules changes and experiments for next
season is the ``no foul-out'' concept. Leagues will be allowed to
experiment in regular-season play, and early indications are that a few
may go for it. Under the experiment, a player can remain in the game
with five or more fouls. On his sixth and each subsequent foul, the
other team gets three chances to make two free throws.
Basketball is unusual in that a player may be disqualified for
standard rules infractions. In football, for example, a lineman could
have 15 holding penalties yet remain in the game. Even some basketball
traditionalists say it's a change worth consideration.
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| 7.279 | UPI: college seniors in Orlando | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Thu Apr 12 1990 14:13 | 78 |
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From: clarinews@clarinet.com (KEITH DRUM, UPI College Basketball Writer)
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ORLANDO (UPI) -- If the NBA draft is indeed a form of Russian
Roulette, then Dwayne Schintzius is this year's biggest -- and perhaps
most dangerous -- bullet.
Which pro team will be willing to pull the trigger and draft the
7-foot-2 Schintzius, who quit Florida in mid-January in the latest act
of a lengthy rap sheet of unconventional behavior?
That's the overriding question this week at the third Orlando
All-Star Classic, where 36 of college basketball's top seniors are
gathered to showcase their skills for pro scouts and agents.
Three days of practices ended Wednesday and three night of games
begin Thursday at the Orlando Arena, home of the NBA's expansion Magic.
While there is an array of capable and versatile prospects on hand
-- from leading scorer Bo Kimble of Loyola Marymount to unheralded Dee
Brown of Jacksonville -- none is being watched more closely than
Schintzius.
His size and skills are a tease, but his past history and erratic
performances are troublesome.
The fact that Schintzius showed up after almost three months off
scored him a few points, however.
``I don't know how good of shape he's in right now, but that
doesn't matter,'' said Golden State Coach Don Nelson, who watched a day
before heading to the Warriors' next game. ``Just being here has helped
him. Anyone who is not afraid to show their skills (here) has my
respect.''
Schintzius received advice from some to skip this week, but he said
he felt it was essential after his abbreviated senior year. Schintzius
quit Florida's team in a dispute with interim head coach Don DeVoe,
partly over the length of his self-styled ``Lobster'' haircut.
``People were questioning my heart,'' said Schintzius, who still
has the hair. ``But if I came here, I show them I like basketball and
want to play after three months off.''
Schintzius never has been in peak condition in his career and he's
far from it now. But his size, strength and rare passing skill for a big
man make him an enticing prospect in a league hungry for centers.
Even after the layoff and assorted other doubts, Schintzius remains
tops among the 7-foot center prospects, most of whom are in Orlando this
week. Louisville's Felton Spencer, Villanova's Tom Greis, Temple's Duane
Causewell, Iowa's Les Jepsen and Texas-El Paso's Greg Foster all are as
much suspect as prospect for varying reasons.
While the center contingent is uncertain, there is an abundance of
outstanding forwards and guards, even with top prospects Derrick Coleman
of Syracuse, Lionel Simmons of LaSalle, Rumeal Robinson of Michigan, and
Gary Payton of Oregon State among the absentees.
Forwards on hand include Duke's Alaa Abdelnaby, Minnesota's Willie
Burton, Michigan's Terry Mills and Loy Vaught, Colorado State's Mike
Mitchell, Xavier's Derek Strong, Clemson's Elden Campbell and St. Louis
star Anthony Bonner, the nation's leading rebounder.
Among guards are Kimble, Connecticut's Tate George, Ohio's Dave
Jamerson, Texas' Travis Mays, Duke's Phil Henderson and Virginia Tech's
Bimbo Coles.
The less-publicized players getting a chance to catch someone's eye
are A.J. English, who was Division II player of the year at Virginia
Union, and Brown, who was submerged in a mediocre Jacksonville program.
``I like the challenge of not being known,'' said Brown. ``It makes
you play harder to get recognition.''
Brown is a 6-2 guard who averaged just over 19 points each of the
past two seasons. He didn't earn his college scholarship until after a
series of all-star games following an unnoticed high school career. Now,
he's pushing to get into the NBA draft's first round after an equally
unheralded college career.
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| 7.280 | hoops news | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri Apr 13 1990 14:44 | 10 |
| o Maryland released guard Teyon McCoy. He's rumored to be headed to
Texas.
o Tony Scott quit the Syracuse basketball team. Destination unknown.
o Michigan State has named an commission of faculty members to
investigate allegations of steroids abuse in the football program. No
mention was made whether or not the basketball team does steroids.
TTom
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| 7.281 | Another one. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Apr 13 1990 15:50 | 6 |
| Jerold Mustaf rumored to be leaving too. Don't know where he's got in
mind ...
- ACC Chris
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| 7.282 | Might be a LITTLE early, but... | CSOA1::SIMPSON_T | | Tue Apr 17 1990 00:19 | 15 |
| Pre-Preseason Top 20, courtesy of Basketball Weekly:
1. No. Carolina 11. Syracuse
2. Connecticut 12. Alabama
3. Arizona 13. UCLA
4. UNLV 14. LSU
5. Arkansas 15. Houston
6. Michigan St. 16. Louisville
7. Georgetown 17. Georgia Tech
8. Oklahoma 18. Ohio St.
9. Indiana 19. Pittsburgh
10. Duke 20. Notre Dame
tom
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| 7.283 | hard to duck | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Tue Apr 17 1990 11:20 | 6 |
| Ah, things are back to normal. No Carolina rated #1, which assures that
there is no way they'll win it all.
Watch for the #9 team.
TTom
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| 7.284 | What a joke. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Apr 17 1990 11:33 | 17 |
| How the hey can a team with E-L-E-V-E-N (count 'em folks, 11) freshmen
and sophomores be ranked #1?
And how the hey can ANYBODY make predictions when it's not at all clear
how many underclassmen are going to the NBA. (i.e. if Larry Johnson
returns to UNLV they've gotta be ranked #1) Not to mention the fack that
the spring signing period ain't even over yet
I'd say a more realistic rating for UNC would be in the 10-15 category.
Next year (after our youngsters have had time to develop) perhaps we'll
be justified in a top 5 ranking. At this point I'd have to rank Duke as
the ACC favorite for nexted year.
- ACC Chris.
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| 7.285 | gimme a break | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Tue Apr 17 1990 11:53 | 10 |
| Holy soft peddlin, ACChris, you're starting to sound like Mr T with that
abject moaning about how many freshmen are in Chapel Hill. Aren't you
going to be weak in the middle, also? Where's the graduate students?
Back to reality, UNC has signed a class that looks to be as good as
anyone has, ever. They have the continuity from Fox and George Lynch and
can probably even survive the unexplained playing time of King Rice.
That's why they're No. 1 in the polls.
TTom
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| 7.286 | The media buildup starts early. (sigh) | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Apr 17 1990 12:08 | 14 |
| TTom, the only reason we got the #1 ranking was on the strength of our
admittedly awesome recruiting class. Last years solid group (led by
Lynch) was in the Top 10 in the USA - certainly not in the Top Tier,
which everybody had as IU, Georgia Tech, & LSU. I'm on record as saying
that, on paper, this is Dean's finest recruiting class.
BUT, ... these guys have yet to play a nano-second of college ball! Is
it fair to rank a team #1 in the country on the basis of a group of
ballplayers who aren't even out of diapers, college hoops-wise?
(no)
- ACC Chris
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| 7.287 | ACC cryin now cause he knows the final score will still equal 1 | CNTROL::CHILDS | This guy's a waste of skin | Tue Apr 17 1990 12:54 | 13 |
|
I read in TSN that a couple of changes are to be made next year...
after the tenth foul of the half by a club the oppsoing club
will be reward with two shots on the foul. from 7 to 10 will
still be one on one....
one less TO per half....
no resetting of the shot clock on a blocked shot attemp....
mike
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| 7.288 | logical | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Tue Apr 17 1990 13:29 | 6 |
| When you've got the best players, in the best program, with the best
coach (so it's been argued), where else would you rank them but #1.
Of course some may not agree with any of the above but the best players.
TTom
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| 7.289 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue Apr 17 1990 13:40 | 11 |
|
Is anyone else getting a hearty chuckle over ACC Chris' little dance
routine, side-step-one-two-backpeddle-three-four. It was barely a week
ago that he was ragging on Indiana for not winning a title this year
because they were ranked high by ONE pre-season poll. Using your logic,
Chris, if NC doesn't win a national title next year, it will be yet
another underachieving choke job by Snuffy. Afterall they are ranked #1
in the country.
HOOT
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| 7.290 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Thu Apr 19 1990 15:06 | 1 |
| It's official. The guard from Maryland has signed with Texas.
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| 7.291 | They love Digger in South Bend! | 4159::NAZZARO | We're the Dead Beat Club | Thu May 03 1990 17:11 | 25 |
| Got this out of Sporting News a couple of weeks ago. Thought
it was worth entering in here.
DIGS AT DIGGER
How much is Digger Phelps, Notre Dame's basketball coach, revered in
his own land? Not much, judging from names of entries in the 1990
Bookstore Basketball Tournament, an annual event that draws more than
700 teams from all walks of campus life.
Chicago Tribune columnist Mike conklin found the following anti-Digger
entries:
- Moe, Larry, Digger, and Two Other Stooges
- Ceausescu, Noriega, Digger, and Two Other Guys Who've Dug Their
Own Graves
- Boa, A Python, Digger, and Two Other Choke Artists
- Jim Bakker, Digger Phelps, and Three Other Guys Wasting Our Money
- Digger's Offense and Four Other Things That Don't Work
NAZZ
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| 7.292 | A Bum Rap!! | JACKAL::DIGGINS | Boy I wish I had Talant! | Mon May 07 1990 10:54 | 7 |
|
Hey!! I've never even been to South Bend!! Or Indiana even!!
Steve_a_k_a_Digger
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| 7.293 | Draft deadline sunday | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri May 11 1990 15:49 | 8 |
| The deadline for declaring for the NBA draft is this Sunday. The NBA must
receive written notice and the letter must be postmarked by Sunday.
So far, Dennis Scott and Larry Johnson have not disclosed their
intentions. I don't know what else either could do to improve on their
value in the draft.
TTom
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| 7.294 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Fri May 11 1990 17:11 | 2 |
| Words that Marcus Liberty will enter the draft too....looks like an
exodus from investigated-Illinois.
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| 7.295 | Smart money has Scott leaving. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri May 11 1990 17:40 | 13 |
| Today's Constitution reported that Cremins is practically certain Scott
will enter the draft, but added that "stranger things have happened" if
he decides to stay in school.
He also added an interesting slant to the Jerrod Mustaf decision.
Mustaf expressed interest in Tech but Bobby said he couldn't take him
because of his friendship with Gary Williams and the fact he'd be going
to another school in the ACC. Sounds like the coaches have kindof_a
unwritten law about not taking each others players.
- ACC Chris
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| 7.296 | just like the Big 10? | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri May 11 1990 17:48 | 8 |
| The ACC should adopt the Big 10 rule which allows transfers but without
the scholarship. This is what happened in the Jeff George case. He played
at Illinois without a scholarship after he transferred from Purdue.
It still makes it a coaching decision but at least it - the Big 10 rule -
discourages this type of transfer.
TTom
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| 7.297 | | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri May 11 1990 18:44 | 8 |
| Doesn't sound like there's much need to legislate this thing. I for
one can't think of *any* players who've transferred from one ACC school
to another. I get the feeling that if Cremins had pursued Mustaf he
would've been black-balled by the other coaches in the league.
- ACC Chris
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| 7.298 | might help | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri May 11 1990 18:48 | 3 |
| Yeah, I guess that I'd rather see a rule than collusion by the coaches.
TTom
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| 7.299 | Walt Williams info..... | POCUS::SALTALAMACCH | | Wed May 30 1990 11:00 | 11 |
| re: 295, if this is the case, then why is Cremins supposedly going
after 6'7" 2G Walt Williams from Maryland? It seems as though
St. Johns and Georgetown are also on his list of possible schools
to transfer to. Any more info?
According to what I've read, Louie C. spent time with Williams last
week. Does anyone have any stats on Williams from last year (i.e.,
ppg, apg, rpg, etc.)?
Redmen Phil
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| 7.300 | US Team finalists | 34443::HAAS | same as talking to you | Tue Jun 19 1990 10:03 | 20 |
| 16 finalists for US Team for World Championships:
Kenny Anderson, 6-2, Ga Tech
Bobby Hurley, 6-0, Duke
Bryant Stith, 6-5, Virginia
Christian Laettner, 6-11, Duke
Henry Williams, 6-1, UNC-Charlotte
Todd Day, 6-8, Arkansas
Chris Gatling, 6-9, Old Dominion
Kevin Lynch, 6-5, Minnesota
Lee Mayberry, 6-2, Arkansas
Chris Mills, 6-6, Arizona
Alonzo Mourning, 6-9, Georgetown
Billy Owens, 6-9, Syracuse
Mark Randall, 6-8, Kansas
Chris Smith, 6-2, UConn
Doug Smith, 6-10, Missouri
Clarence Weatherspoon, 6-7, Southern Miss
TTom
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| 7.301 | Not a bad collection of hoopsters, eh? | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Jun 19 1990 11:05 | 1 |
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| 7.302 | UNCC making a comeback. | SHALOT::MEDVID | the infinite complexities of love | Tue Jun 19 1990 16:20 | 17 |
| That's no typo, folks. Henry Williams, UNC-Charlotte. I teach night
classes in tech writing there so I guess that's reason enough to get
excited 'bout dis.
Word is, he's doing so well as an outside shooter off the screen, Coach
K is designing plays around him. He still hasn't made the final cut,
but it sounds pretty positive.
It should also help UNCC in the national spotlight. Two years ago, the
Sporting News picked them in the top 20 at the beginning of the season.
They were good, but lost to Oklahoma at the buzzer in December that
year and never really recovered.
I hope they're on the verge of something big here. They really deserve
it.
--dan'l
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| 7.303 | | QUASER::MCALPINE | I'LL B SURE | Fri Jun 22 1990 18:18 | 7 |
| ref Henry Williams
Saw the final scrimmage game he played here @ Colorado Springs,
he was very impressive from the three point area and was not
intimidated by the big-name players.
Mike
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| 7.304 | South wins Festival BBall | OTEK::HAAS | same as talking to you | Wed Jul 11 1990 10:24 | 13 |
| Good game last night while the All Star game might have been putting you
to sleep. North-South at the Olympic festival. South won the gold medal
over the North, 121-120. The closing seconds had Damon Bailey hit a
3-pointer to put North up by 1 followed a length of the court drive by
Travis Ford to lay it up for the final score with 6 seconds left. North
missed a shot at the buzzer.
The South also had Shaquille O'Neal who must have blocked 10 shots
including a couple by North's Eric Montross, who otherwise held his own,
especially his defensive position, against O'Neal. Bobby Knight's buddy,
Dale Brown, coached the South.
TTom
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| 7.305 | Goodwill Games - BBAll | NRADM::BURGESS | | Wed Jul 11 1990 12:49 | 22 |
|
From today's USA TODAY:
Coach Mike Krzyzewski has less than 2 weeks to prepare his U.S.
national basketball team for the Goodwill Games in Seattle - and an
almost immediate run-in with the defending Olympic champion Soviet
Union.
The team is virtually picked, and the starting lineup all but set as
the 16 players resume practice at Durham, N.C.
Featuring Georgetown's Alonzo Mourning, Georgia Tech's Kenny Anderson
and Syracuse's Billy Owens, the team plays its Goodwill opener July 23
against Puerto Rico and the Soviets the following night.
Krzyzewski must pare the roster to 15 or fewer by then, then to 12 for
the Aug. 8-19 World Championships, but insists, "My thoughts are not on
cutting. They're on putting together. As youput things together, the
cut or cuts will come naturally."
Since the initial tryouts in May, he has made no secret of the nucleus:
"I think it's fairly evident when they play that Billy Owens is better
than other kids. The same withMourning, Anderson, Christian Laettner
and Doug Smith. And you go from there."
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| 7.306 | Will the BBgames be televised? #+times pls | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Have YOU seen Elvis today?? | Wed Jul 11 1990 14:26 | 1 |
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| 7.307 | good times roll? | OTEK::HAAS | same as talking to you | Sun Jul 15 1990 13:09 | 18 |
| College hoops in the news:
o Norm Stewart and the Missouri Basketball team are in further hot
water. Not only is the team being investigated for NCAA
violations but the latest word is that the NCAA is going after
Stewart for providing false information during the investigation.
o Basketball coach Kevin Mackey has been suspended without pay
while Cleveland State investigates charges against him. He was
arrested for driving while intoxicated as he left a suspected
drug house.
o The NCAAA is expected to lodge charges of major violations
against UNLV over its recruitment of Lloyd Daniels. Daniels was
signed to a letter of intent to UNLV but was arrested on drug
charges.
TTom
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| 7.308 | mackey did the C word | OTEK::HAAS | same as talking to you | Tue Jul 17 1990 11:34 | 6 |
| Traces of cocaine were found in the urind of basketball coach Kevin
Mackey, who was arrested for driving while intoxicated after he was
picked up for driving erratically after leaving a suspected drug house.
He also was found to be legally drunk.
TTom
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| 7.309 | "Hey, Coach, one game suspension plus name your source" | HILLST::BENCH | George Keverian for Ultra-Thick-Fast | Tue Jul 17 1990 12:25 | 2 |
| In the tradition of Dean Smith and North Carolina, will Cleveland
State allow the seniors to determine Mackey's punishment? :-)
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| 7.310 | Georgia stud ineligible at Vegas :^) | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Jul 17 1990 13:04 | 11 |
| re: .-1
Hah!
In other hoops news, Darrin Hancock will not be eligible to play for
UNLV next year. Couldn't muster sufficient SAT numbers. Hancock is a
Top 10ish player.
- ACC Chris
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| 7.311 | we shall see | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu Jul 19 1990 11:16 | 26 |
| more on the legal track:
o The NCAA has supposedly reached a verdict on what to do to Jerry
Tarkanian and their 13 year war against him. NCAA Czar, Shutlz, has gone
on record as saying that he won't just let this die out. Look for some
significant penalty. This could be compounded by current investigations
into recruitment violations.
o Norm Stewart is making noises about the investigation into the
Missouri hoops' program. The latest word was that the NCAA was
investigation whether or not Stewart and Missouri lied to the NCAA about
the violations.
The way the NCAA works - it's a private, voluntary organization - is
outside of a lot of legal rules such as due process. I'm not defending
either of the above but it does pose a real conflict. Both of the above
work for public institutions which must practice due process and the
rights of the accused. The original problem with Tark got messy when a
Nevada court put a permanent injunction against the NCAA penalty because
it specified that Tark be suspended from his state-paid job. The judge
said that the school could not comply without due process and that's the
current impasse. Another court ruled that the NCAA does in fact have some
jurisdiction but it can't include anything like firing which would go
back to having to follow due process.
TTom
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| 7.312 | It only follows the infamous T-illogic | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Address the ball | Thu Jul 19 1990 14:57 | 8 |
| >In the tradition of Dean Smith and North Carolina, will Cleveland
>State allow the seniors to determine Mackey's punishment? :-)
Better yet, in the tradition of MorT, since Cleveland is in Ohio, and
so is Ohio St., does this behaviour of Mackey's represent another black
eye for the Big 10?
Dan
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| 7.313 | Mackey gone | GRANPA::DFAUST | Sixers=Atlantic Div Champs | Thu Jul 19 1990 20:09 | 4 |
| Cleveland State fired Mackey today.
Dennis
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| 7.314 | What goes around, comes around MorT. Haw haw haw!!!111 | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Thu Jul 19 1990 22:11 | 9 |
| > Cleveland State fired Mackey today.
Boy. Another black eye for Big 10 country. And don't forget about the
kid who was Illinois-bound who flunked his SAT's. Such (low) standards
for such a high-and-mighty conference. Tisk, tisk.
- ACC Chris
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| 7.315 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Bimbo Bowlers from Buffalo | Fri Jul 20 1990 09:19 | 6 |
|
How can they fire him? Seems to me that we have laws against firing people
with problems like his. Don't think we've heard the last of this...
mike
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| 7.316 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his Lips...Know New Taxes!! | Fri Jul 20 1990 09:36 | 3 |
| May have been some kind of 'morality clause' in his contract. I
don't think Mackey has much of a beef.
Denny
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| 7.317 | no morality clause | CNTROL::CHILDS | Bimbo Bowlers from Buffalo | Fri Jul 20 1990 09:52 | 6 |
|
No Denny, he doesn't according to the USA Today article I just read but the
the VP of Cleveland State says that they can can him for behavior that
disgraces the university. He also says it will probably cost them a settlement.
mike
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| 7.318 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his Lips...Know New Taxes!! | Fri Jul 20 1990 10:02 | 3 |
| Okay, seems like they'd just as soon pay him off than keep him
around. Makes sense to me. Can't say that I blame them.
Denny
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| 7.319 | was a good coach | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri Jul 20 1990 11:20 | 5 |
| What's lost in this scandal about Mackey is that he apparently was a good
coach. He won games and you're not hearing anything from the players or
other coaches about his abilities.
TTom
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| 7.320 | T-illogic, Part II | SHALOT::HUNT | Send lawyers, guns, and money ... | Fri Jul 20 1990 11:20 | 10 |
| 7.321 | | CAM::WAY | For I intend to go in harm's way | Fri Jul 20 1990 12:15 | 12 |
| Again, it's so unfortunate in these cases of people having problems.
So many times we expect coaches and players who are given media attention
to be perfect, or close to it.
Here's a man, a human being, who has a problem. I for one wish him all
the best in coping with, and overcoming this problems.
It's unfortuanate that the media in this country subtley passes judgement
and condemns people....
'Saw
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| 7.322 | UNLV banned from 91 post-season | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Sat Jul 21 1990 14:06 | 21 |
| The NCAA handed down its sentence on UNLV: a ban from post season play
next season, preventing Jerry Tarkanian and the Running Rebels from
defending their title.
What we have here is something akin to double jeopardy. In 1977 the NCAA
imposed a 2 year probation on UNLV, which they served, and ordered UNLV
to suspend Tarkanian for that period. A local appeals court ruled that
UNLV could not comply with that order since it violated Tarkanian's
rights to due process. The Supreme Court ruled that the NCAA had the
authority to discipline member institutions but allowed the injunction to
stand intact.
So the NCAA, in what looks like a vendetta against Tarkanian,
"substituted" the post season ban for the suspension that can't be
enforced. Dick Shultz, head hocho for the NCAAs, said that he was going
to levy a significant penalty.
UNLV says that it will appeal but it doens't look good. They are also in
trouble concerning their recruitment of Lloyd Daniels.
TTom
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| 7.323 | Not fair | SHALOT::MEDVID | muscle and hate | Mon Jul 23 1990 10:26 | 7 |
| As much as I don't like Tarkanian, that's just not fair. The kids
playing for him now were around eight years old in 1977.
And poor Larry Johnson. He could have gone pro, but wanted to win the
big one again.
|
| 7.324 | sniff, sniff! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Jul 23 1990 10:43 | 1 |
|
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| 7.325 | did not disappoint | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Mon Jul 23 1990 11:37 | 7 |
| > <<< Note 7.324 by RHETT::KNORR "Carolina Blue" >>>
> -< sniff, sniff! >-
So typical of a Tar Heel to have absolutely no concern regarding civil
rights issues.
TTom
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| 7.326 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | Sixers=Atlantic Div Champs | Mon Jul 23 1990 16:58 | 6 |
|
What exactly did UNLV do that was terrible that required them to be
punished twice for the same offense?
Dennis
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| 7.327 | vendetta | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Mon Jul 23 1990 18:17 | 9 |
| UNLV refused to follow the NCAA ordered suspension of Tark. This is a
clear case of going after UNLV - and Tark - because, constitutional
rights notwithstanding, they refused to follow the NCAA order.
This latest punishment is for that and not for any original sin the UNLB
may have done in 1977. Hell, the statute of limitations would have run
out on this if they had stolen a million dollars.
TTom
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| 7.328 | Wufpack follower defends UNLV. Figures... | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Jul 23 1990 18:27 | 11 |
| Not quite true TTom. UNLV tried to suspend Tark, but he sued and won.
Oh and excuse me for not having more sympathy for this sleaze ball who
boasts one of the worst graduation rates in the USA. (Around 20% the
last I heard.)
Cry for somebody who profits from blatant exploitation?! Not on yer life,
buddy.
- ACC Chris
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| 7.329 | missing the point | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Mon Jul 23 1990 18:33 | 8 |
| As ususal, your argument is neither directed at the issue at hand nor my
comments.
I am not defending UNLV. Yeah, I kinda like Tark but that is irrelevant.
My issue is with the legal and civil rights implication and with the NCAA
feeling that it has to make some Big Brother move.
TTom
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| 7.330 | UNLV players may sue | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Tue Jul 24 1990 13:06 | 9 |
| UNLV players have contacted a lawyer about filing a lawsuit against the
NCAA ruling that bans UNLV from post season play next year. This suit
would not be part of any legal action that UNLV is planning against the
NCAA.
To put this in perspective, these players were about 8 years old when the
violations happened at UNLV in 1977.
TTom
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| 7.331 | Cheating Pays | 34905::SHAUGHNESSY | Big10: By Invitation Only | Tue Jul 24 1990 16:39 | 22 |
| 20% graduated from what?
The amazing thing about all this is the self-serving reaction to it
by all them geeky sports "journalists."
Here's the bottom line: Tark cheated, got caught, caught punished.
Now, woe is Mafia U. boo hoo hoooo, they gonna sue based on civil
rights violations! Bah. One sports "journalist," this one on CNN
Late Night, did a_Alonzo Mourning-style sneer job on how they're also
looking into the Lloyd Daniels recruiting violations, saying that "Lloyd
never even play for UNLV, go figure!"
Duhhhh. Hey Albert, it's called unfair competitive advantage, which
means that they cheated on that one too, got caught, and Daniels went
elsewhere. So CNN's conspiracy theorist implies that if you fail at
cheating it ain't cheating! Tail that to U. Kaintuck! Heee.
Here's a more realistic bottom line: Cheating pays. UNLV. Clemson.
Kansas. Miami. GougeTown. NC Skate. UCLA. Missouri. Ad nauseum...
Big10 Tom
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| 7.332 | any proof? | CNTROL::CHILDS | and so castles made of sand... | Tue Jul 24 1990 16:48 | 13 |
|
Here's a more realistic bottom line: Cheating pays. UNLV. Clemson.
Kansas. Miami. GougeTown. NC Skate. UCLA. Missouri. Ad nauseum...
^^^^^^^^^
Big10 Tom
have you my friend uncovered a scandal we all know nothing about? Oh please
enlighten us or refrain from attacking programs that you personally hate
that haven't been brought up on charges please....
mike
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| 7.333 | | PARVAX::WARDLE | Impeach Jim Florio...NOW! | Tue Jul 24 1990 19:17 | 17 |
| Mike, just answer one question with regards to Gougetown...
Does recruiting players that don't conform to the schools academic
standards constitute cheating?
While G'Town has never been caught paying players for example, it
doesn't mean that they don't cheat in terms of academics. I'm also not
saying the program is corrupt. The thing is, the NCAA has set a minimum
GPA standard that is probably much lower than the GPA G'town would
deem acceptable for it's other students yet it's ok for the hoopsters
that bring in the bucks.
We all know that the big sports programs let their players skate
through school. For example...Dexter Manley. He's got a degree and he
can't read. Is that cheating?
JoJ
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| 7.335 | answers | CNTROL::CHILDS | and so castles made of sand... | Wed Jul 25 1990 09:42 | 34 |
|
> Does recruiting players that don't conform to the schools academic
> standards constitute cheating?
Not if they meet NCAA standards. Also how do you know that GT doesn't
accept other kids who don't meet standards? I'd venture a guess that
they do but if they didn't I wouldn't be surprised either.
> While G'Town has never been caught paying players for example, it
> doesn't mean that they don't cheat in terms of academics. I'm also not
> saying the program is corrupt. The thing is, the NCAA has set a minimum
> GPA standard that is probably much lower than the GPA G'town would
> deem acceptable for it's other students yet it's ok for the hoopsters
> that bring in the bucks.
My guess again is that they don't outwardly cheat (ie fix grades) but
they do certainly aid these kids. They tutor them to the point that
one of the assistant coaches (the woman on the bench) travels with
them on the road specificly to tutor them. I see no problem with this
and again I can assume and hope they do the same for other students.
Also with the big bucks that these kids bring in, the other programs
benefit with better equipment, better teachers etc. so why not? Atleast
they do throw people off the team that don't keep up the minimum
NCAA standards.
Unless you can prove to me that every other student at GT was accepted
because he had a better than 2.5 gpa I don't see any validity to your
argument....
mike
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| 7.336 | | PARVAX::WARDLE | Impeach Jim Florio...NOW! | Wed Jul 25 1990 11:07 | 28 |
| >> Unless you can prove to me that every other student at GT was accepted
>> because he had a better than 2.5 gpa I don't see any validity to your
>> argument....
Mike, just give G'Town a call and ask them for their entrance
requirements. I'll gaurantee you that 2.5 won't cut it. It'll also
state the SAT score requirements.
Here's my problem with the whole thing. These kids are brought in to
play sports, not to be students. The tutor on the bench thing is just
for sensationalism. How can one tutor take care of the entire team's
needs? Since the kids are brought there to play sports, as they are at
every other major college sports program, why don't we all stop
pretending that everything the schools do with these kids is honest and
upstanding.
Money talks. I have no problem with that. My problem is the hypocrisy
surrounding the issue. The schools should just openly admit that their
players are there to generate revenue. If they said that, then there
would be no more "academic" arguments, the NCAA wouldn't have to set
standards, and everyone would make money and smile all the way to the
bank.
JoJ
PS - Mr. T, you neglected to include any Big Ten schools in your
diatribe. Even you can't believe that everything the Big Ten does is
above board.
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| 7.337 | NC Skate sympathizer sympathizes with UNLV. Surprise! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Wed Jul 25 1990 11:08 | 19 |
| re: TTom
Funny that you should choose to put the blame on the NCAA and not
where it belongs.
Here's a guy (Tarkanian) who left a program (Long Beach State) which was
immediately slapped with probation for serious rule violations. He then
moves on to UNLV where he successfully trashes his second program. The
NCAA does the correct thing and hands down a relatively harsh sentence.
Tark then essentially ties up the whole process in the courts for 10+ years.
Now you can blame the mean old NCAA for denying those 8 year old kids the
chance for a second Title if you want, but your wrath is misplaced. All
things considered, UNLV got off pretty light. No scholarship limits. No
TV limits. And the entire country cryin' its eyes out for "Poor Ole Tark".
- ACC Chris
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| 7.338 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | and so castles made of sand... | Wed Jul 25 1990 12:09 | 9 |
|
I agree with ya Josh on hypocrisy of it all but do you really think it'll
change?
While they're requirements maybe more than a 2.5 they must have to accept
other students besides athletes who fail to make this grade or I would
assume they'd be in court fighting equal rights folks....
mike
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| 7.339 | The NCAA has always been a viciously vindictive body | 4159::NAZZARO | Underneath the strobe light | Wed Jul 25 1990 18:45 | 12 |
| As usual, ACC_Chris, you're way, WAY off.
What Tarkanian did in 1977 should have no bearing on his current
program. His school was punished for those infractions. To punish
the school again is a classic case of double jeopardy. UNLV did not
sue the NCAA; Tarkanian did. If you have reason to investigate the
UNLV program for what it's done recently, then go ahead, state your
case, and try to prove it. Otherwise, leave the man alone.
This is a harassment, pure and simple.
NAZZ
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| 7.340 | | FRSBEE::BROOKS | I could drop Tyson like a bad habit! | Wed Jul 25 1990 18:48 | 9 |
| Mike, you made your point, JoJ (or is it JoGT ?) just got caught
cold-busted fact-less in a wagon-jumping polemic.
2.5 may or may not cut it at Georgetwon, but I'll tell you this - there
are plenty of ways for a non-athlete to beat the "rock-soild" cut of
standards too. They just don't get nearly the publicity.
Wardle, you're in a argument that you can't win, and will only look
worse trying to weasle out. Why don't you give GT a rest ?
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| 7.341 | my thoughts | JURAN::MCKAY | | Wed Jul 25 1990 21:32 | 8 |
| My guess and only a guess is that if one were to call any admission
office they would say something to the effect that "We treat each
applicant for admission on an individual basis and do not have a set
GPA minimum". This is of course not including the automatic 2.0 GPA
needed almost everywhere, I'm referring to them giving you a 2.5 or 3.0
number.
Jimbo
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| 7.342 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Eraserhead LIVES!!! | Thu Jul 26 1990 13:31 | 9 |
| RE UNLV - The NCAA has been after Tark for years. It was bound
to happen, the NCAA blew it - punishing 13 years after the fact
is a joke.
RE JOSH and Georgetown - you're missing the boat. G'town was only
brought up due to MrBigotT's well known hatred of that school, which
is in Montana and plays in the SEC.
JD
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| 7.343 | punish Tark if you must | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu Jul 26 1990 13:34 | 14 |
| There are a lot of ways to punish Tarkanian, the obvious target of the
NCAA. If it is deemed that he is a Colonel Kurtz, then go after him. They
can do this in many ways. Forbid him from recruiting off campus. Cut the
number of scholarships. Cut the number of assistant coaches. If he's such
a bum, and no one cares about concepts like due process and double
jeopardy, then hit him this way.
The way they punished him also punishes the players who had nothing to do
with the violations in 1977.
Now the Lloyd Daniels epsisode is another matter entirely. But UNLV is
not nearly as close to the death sentence as Illinois.
TTom
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| 7.344 | final team for world championships | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Sat Aug 04 1990 11:26 | 21 |
| The 12 members of the US Team for World Championships:
Kenny Anderson, 6-2, Ga Tech
Bryant Stith, 6-5, Virginia
Christian Laettner, 6-11, Duke
Henry Williams, 6-1, UNC-Charlotte
Todd Day, 6-8, Arkansas
Chris Gatling, 6-9, Old Dominion
Lee Mayberry, 6-2, Arkansas
Alonzo Mourning, 6-9, Georgetown
Billy Owens, 6-9, Syracuse
Mark Randall, 6-8, Kansas
Chris Smith, 6-2, UConn
Doug Smith, 6-10, Missouri
Cut from the Goodwill Games were:
Bobby Hurley, 6-0, Duke
Clarence Weatherspoon, 6-7, Southern Miss
TTom
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| 7.345 | NCAA rules | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Mon Aug 06 1990 09:51 | 9 |
| Shon Traver, a top hoops recruit, said that he would attend UCLA. Traver
had a letter of intent to UNLV but they have been banned from
postseason play which released Traver from his commitment.
Also, the NCAA rejected Maryland's appeal for the sanctions placed on
that team. Maryland got 3 years probation with a 2 season ban on post
season.
TTom
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| 7.346 | McMillen gets into the action | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Tue Aug 07 1990 10:23 | 27 |
| Tom McMillen, former Maryland basketball player and now Congressman and
member of the Knight Commission investigation collegiate sports is trying
to start an investigation into the NCAA, how they're run and how they
manage their finances. NCAA is a non-profit, tax-exempt organization and
as such is subject to this type of scrutiny.
In particular McMillen is looking into the way the NCAA levies
punishments and with the way they structure rules regarding outside
income. He feels that the punishments handed down do not doing anything
to reform collegiate sports and are PR moves that merely punish student
athletes that weren't the schools for the violations or weren't part of
the problems.
Also, on his list, are the rules that allow coaches to receive outside
income from sneakers but don't allow player stipends.
McMillen is also looking into requiring the NCAA to practice due process
in its dealins with players and coaches suspected of violations. On this
issue, which is a central theme to the action against Tarkanian and UNLV,
legislators in some states are introducing bills requiring the NCAA to
provided due process.
Some of McMillens anger at the NCAA is a result of the severe punishment
Maryland received - 3 years probation and 2 year post season ban.
Maryland appealled the sentence to no avail.
TTom
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| 7.347 | USA 103, Greece 95 | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu Aug 09 1990 09:53 | 9 |
| USA got a scare last night as they beat Greece in OT, 103-95. Billy Owens
led the team with 33. At the end of regulation, tied 89-89, Greece barely
missed a last chance shot, got the rebound and put it back, but the refs
rules that the shot came after the buzzer.
Kenny Anderson was almost the goat. He missed a wide open jump shot with
5 seconds to go in regulation that led to the near win for Greece.
TTom
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| 7.348 | USA beats Argentina | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Tue Aug 14 1990 09:10 | 12 |
| USA defeated home team Argentina, 104-100. Kenny Anderson had 32 points
and Alonzo Mourning got the rest of the stats: 11-13 from the line. 17
points, 7 rebounds and 6 blocked shots.
Other scores:
Group 1: Puerto Rico 89, Autstralia 79 (Ouch for the Aussies!)
Group 2: Yugoslavia 105, Brazil 86
Soviet Union 75, Greece 57
TTom
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| 7.349 | USA beats Australia | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Wed Aug 15 1990 09:18 | 13 |
| USA won - or at least stole - the game but may have lost the war. Lee
Mayberry caught a pass from Australia and layed it up to win, 79-78.
Australia had a 12 point lead with 5 minutes to go.
The casualties were Billy Owens, who played only a minute before leaving
with back trouble, and Kenny Anderson, who caught an elbow to the nose
and had to leave in the second half. Both are considered doubtful for the
game today against Puerto Rico.
Puerto Rico clinched a semifinal berth - as did USA - by beating
Argentina. Both are 2-0. Yugoslavia crushed Soviet Union, 100-77.
TTom
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| 7.350 | Ford leaving Mo | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri Aug 17 1990 13:25 | 4 |
| Missouri has released Travis Ford from his basketball scholarship so that
he would be free to transfer without losing eligibility.
TTom
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| 7.351 | Where to now?? | NRADM::BURGESS | | Fri Aug 17 1990 14:00 | 4 |
| Any idea where he wants to go????
- Ken -
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| 7.352 | NC, KY, and I assume others | CSOA1::SIMPSON_T | | Fri Aug 17 1990 19:35 | 6 |
| Louisville radio says Travis Ford is visiting North Carolina next
week (has Dean had any transfers before?) and is also thinking
about Kentucky. It's not at all clear that Kentucky's thinking
about him.
tom
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| 7.353 | USA 3rd; Yugoslavia wins it | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Mon Aug 20 1990 10:14 | 4 |
| USA got the Bronze by beating Puerto Rico, 107-105. Yugoslavia, who beat
USA 99-91 on Friday, beat USSR to win the gold.
TTom
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| 7.354 | Does the U.S. need a change of coaching to compete internationally? | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Mon Aug 20 1990 12:44 | 9 |
| The local press was on the U.S. coaching style in an article this
weekend. The writer suggested that the U.S. wake up and start playing
the international game and not the Big East game. When is the U.S.
coach going to realize what the rest of the world has caught onto very
quickly - there is a 3 point line in international play. He pointed
out the success of teams who utilized the 3 point line in the NCAA
tournament - UNLV, Loyola-Marymount, Texas - and suggested that a coach
from one of these "radical" programs should be selected as the next
U.S. coach.
|
| 7.355 | couln't hurt | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Mon Aug 20 1990 13:17 | 10 |
| I agree. International hoops has gone to big game offense. The basic
college technique is to come from fundementals through defense and
finally, if you have time, to the offense.
I think an up_tempo_offensive coach would be a good change.
I believe that the USA had the talent to win. IMO. I don't necessarily
fault Coach K for a bad game plan but for sticking with it.
TTom
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| 7.356 | | CAM::WAY | And a hard rain's gonna fall... | Mon Aug 20 1990 13:17 | 16 |
| Mac --
Could it be the caliber of players?
What I mean by that is that there is a theory out there that in
these other countries, the players that gent sent to the tournament
are the equivalent of their pro leagues. We keep sending out colllege
"All-Stars".
I'd say, send in the current NBA champs from whatever season, and let
them loose. As much as I can't stand Bill Laimbeer, I sure wouldn't
mind if he was bashing some Yugoslavians and not the Celtics 8^)
Just a thought...
'Saw
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| 7.357 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Sit n listen to that all day, eh? | Mon Aug 20 1990 13:42 | 14 |
| Mac,
Similar article in the paper here. Said that the US must face facts
and smarten up. Also said it is time that folks apologized to John
Thompson for the 88 'pics. Said it wasn't necessarily his fault,
but a combination of our not playing interenational style, throwing
teams together, etc.
Also a good point on how the US was screwed in 72, won in 76, boycotted
in 80, won in 84 admidst an Iron Curtain boycott (said Emily Littela
coulda coached the squad and won the gold, and then in 88 found
out the hard way that the rest of the world had caught up.
JD
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| 7.358 | | GOOBER::ROSS | l.2.3.4...We don't want an oil war! | Mon Aug 20 1990 13:55 | 15 |
| I still think the problem is not how we play, but who plays... and
that comes from the fact that there is not autonomous ruling coach/staff of
the U.S. team. Is it a coincidence that the U.S. team had an ACC/Big East
flavor with Coach K, Boeheim, and P.J. Carlessimo running the team?
Appoint an official U.S. coach, open up the team to tryouts to all
players, regardless of age, and form a set team of 15 players who play all year
long. For college players, allow them to play for an attractive wage {$100K?}
for the team for the year without losing eligiblity and also provide generous
insurance policies in case of injury.
A good U.S. TEAM could once again be the powerhouse... a bunch of All-Stars
thrown together will not.... especially if guys like Bobby Hurley are allowed
to participate for the coach's own benefit.
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| 7.359 | They shouldn't get special treatment | RONALD::VENDER | | Mon Aug 20 1990 14:27 | 25 |
| re .358
I don't agree with giving a wage to college basketball players for
playing for the U.S. Olympic team. While other countries do use their
equivalent of our pro players, it doesn't justify paying the college
b-ball players if they play for the team. The U.S. tries to keep with
the tradition of sending real amateurs to the Olympics. Participation
in the Olympics is a great honor for the participants. While it may
require some sacrafice for them to play + practice for the team, they
shouldn't be the exception in the NCAA rules. I doubt they'd have to
make much of a sacrafice(except for maybe 1st year pro salary) because
of the funds for support they would get for the BBall team.
Where there's a will there's a way. If it's worth the sacrafice(if
there are any), then they'll play. A good book on the extreme
sacrafices made by some Olympic athletes to train and get on the team
is The Amateurs. It's a story about a group of rowers who basically
lived for rowing without any financial support(sometimes like dogs) and
made a lot of sacrafices to train for years both during and following
when they were in school. Other sports athlete's in the NCAA can be
booted off the team for the stupidest things(including basketball
players), and I don't agree w/ much of it. However, I don't agree that
Basketball players should be special just because they're involved in a high
profile sport.
TomR
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| 7.360 | Perception\\ | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Thank you, Fay | Mon Aug 20 1990 16:07 | 5 |
| Coach K certainly got away a lot easier than John Thompson.
Back-to-back international tournement losses as well, where JT only had
the singleton.
Dan
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| 7.361 | Answer to the Question of the Problem | MUSKIE::SHAUGHNESSY | Carolina Blue | Tue Aug 21 1990 17:29 | 47 |
| In the descending order of importance, here are the things that hurt
the USA in international play:
1. Lack of good shooters
America has drifted into the habit of playing Jive, and not the
true sport of basketball. It was embarrassing watching the job
Thompson did in the Olympics, a bunch a slam-a-jim-jammers who
couldn't hit the barn side of a broad from fifteend paces, and
they got smoked from the land of trey. His squad was properly
color-coordinated, though.
Face it: We're fielding teams made up of youths who grew up watching
and emulating practitioners of jive-ball from Earl-the-Pearl and Dr. J.
and any number of NBA Slam Dunk Contest hopefuls.
America's young players aren't as fundamentally sound as their
international counterparts cuz the domestic game has degenerated to
valuing flash over basics.
2. "Ooooh de poor puddy tat !!"
5 seconds into World Championship play the ever-sneering Alonzo
Mourning starts a fight (nothing new) cuz the dude checking him
was playing rough (something new there, usually Alonzo sucker
punches the guy checking from behind near the *end* of a game that
he's been outclassed in [princeton]).
Now hey, I like women as much as the nexted manly man, but maybe
next time they should leave Mr. Moany Woany back in the District
where he commands respect?
Perhaps Steinbrenner cain convince Team USA to prescribe testosterone
injections for our peach-fuzzed young players?
3. No team concept
The last gold medal came from a coach who passed on the All-Star
team syndrome (read: NBAnal-ballitis) by passing on players such
as Barkley et al and instead took several role players along -
including a second rate player in Steve Alford who was able too...
shoot!
Bad coaching, effeminate attitudes, and bad player selection is what's
keeling us in international play - not a closing talent gap. You wanna
tale me that a bunch of white guys from Yugoslavia overmatch talent-wise
the likes of Mourning, Owens, and Kenny Anderson? GO on !!
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| 7.362 | No Pride, Just $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | CGVAX2::REEVE | | Wed Aug 22 1990 12:32 | 10 |
| USA did not lose because of Anderson, Owens and Mourning, they lost
because that's all they had. If any of the top NBA draftees had played,
USA would have kicked butt. Dennis Scott, Gary Payton, Chris Jackson,
Travis Mays,et al. would have kicked the Yugos back to Split. Or if the
two heavies from UNLV and Shaquille O'Neal had decided to play, it
could have been different. Let's face it, the USA doesn't take these
things seriously or they would never lose. American basketball players
aim for one thing- NBA green, not Olympic gold.
Chris
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| 7.363 | Travis Ford to Kentucky | NRADM::BURGESS | | Wed Aug 22 1990 15:53 | 6 |
|
Former University of Missouri's guard Travis Ford said he'll transfer
to Kentucky. The sophomore can play starting with the 1991-1992
season.
- Ken -
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| 7.364 | Indiana this good? Hope so. | CSOA1::SIMPSON_T | | Wed Oct 03 1990 13:54 | 25 |
|
Basketball Weekly's pre-season Top 20:
1. UNLV
2. Arizona
3. Arkansas
4. North Carolina
5. Michigan State
6. Duke
7. Connecticutt
8. Georgetown
9. Oklahoma
10. Indiana
11. Syracuse
12. UCLA
13. LSU
14. Missouri
15. Alabama
16. Ohio State
17. Virginia
18. Georgia
19. Southern Mississippi
20. New Mexico
tom
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| 7.365 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers... Pants for |CENSORED|s | Wed Oct 03 1990 14:50 | 5 |
| Hey MrT how 'bout that? They got those Indiana scholars rated
10th. Must be because of the coaching because we know from your
repeated lectures that they got no athletic talent.
/Don
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| 7.366 | Huskies still got the bite ??? | SHALOT::HUNT | Wyld Stallyns Rules | Wed Oct 03 1990 15:04 | 4 |
| What's UConn got left now that Tate George graduated and Nadev Henefeld
went back to Israel ???
Bob Hunt
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| 7.367 | | CAM::WAY | Happiness is a loose ruck | Wed Oct 03 1990 15:21 | 11 |
| A lot Bob...
Chris Smith, Scott Birrel(sp) and some others...
Tate was the only senior, Nadav's loss will hurt, but the mark of a good
team will be to see if they can come back.
Should be a_interesting season... I don't normally follow hoops, but
have always followed UCONN...Can't wait...
'Saw
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| 7.368 | must have survived baseball | HBAHBA::HAAS | same as talking to you | Wed Oct 03 1990 17:15 | 6 |
| Hoops is on the way:
USA Today has the CBS schedule, starting with Duke at Oklahoma, Dec 22,
3:45pm.
TTom
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| 7.369 | Minutemen rule in 90-91!!!!! | WORDY::NAZZARO | Get more butt into it! | Wed Oct 03 1990 17:41 | 3 |
| Where was UMass in the rankings?
NAZZ
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| 7.370 | UCONN is in good shape | JURAN::MCKAY | | Wed Oct 03 1990 20:42 | 12 |
| UCONN has a fine team back including Smith,Burrell,Gwynn,Sellers,
Walker,Williams,Cryhulik(sp),the point guard from the Israeli national
team, and that's all I can remember off the top of my head. Basically
they have lots of speed and tenacious 'D' along with the fact that they
are all playing together for at least the second year. The loss of
Tate will not be felt. I was talking to a former BC player last
weekend who couldn't believe Tate was a first round selection and
predicts a flop in the NBA. As for Henefeld I loved the way this guy
played the game and he will be missed. If the inside game can develop
a few more points this year we will contend.
Jimbo
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| 7.371 | Tark bans himself? | HBAHBA::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu Oct 04 1990 10:15 | 8 |
| Jerry Tarkanian is offering himself in exchange for the post-season ban
on UNLV, this year. His deal: don't let him coach and don't pay the team
but let them play.
This seems to be a new trend. Instead of protesting penalties, Florida
and now UNLV has made counteroffers to the sanctions.
TTom
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| 7.372 | One honest question, one homer statement... | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Have YOU seen Elvis today?? | Fri Oct 05 1990 11:08 | 14 |
| innocent question...
Howcome Georgia Tech didn't make the list?
Loyalty Statement....
St. John's was unfairly omitted!!!!!!! :*(
Traditional Cheer:
GO LOUIEEEEEEE!!!!!! YAYEEEE REDMEN!!!!!!!!
Kev
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| 7.373 | New Look Jackets | SCARGO::REEVE | | Tue Oct 09 1990 15:44 | 8 |
| IMO GT was omitted because Dennis Scott and Brian Oliver went to the
NBA. However, don't count out any team with Kenny Anderson on it! Tech
will have a much different look next year with Anderson and a bunch of
tall guys crashing the boards vs. the perimeter shooting game of last
years Final Four team. They may not get back to the FF, but they will
definitely be a Top Twenty team.
Chris
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| 7.374 | Tech will be tough .... (this year.) | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstation Support | Tue Oct 09 1990 16:17 | 13 |
| Agreed. Tech is talented inside and with Kenny Anderson running the
show there's no way on earth they won't be a Top 20 team.
If I were a Tech fan I'd want to get the most out of this season.
Anderson has more than hinted that he'll jump for the NBA after this,
his sophomore season. Given Cremins lackluster recruiting year that
could make for a couple of *lean* years ahead. In fact, if Bobby can
turn in another solid season he might just allow himself to be lured
away from Tech.
- ACC Chris
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| 7.375 | Almost Agree | SCARGO::REEVE | | Wed Oct 10 1990 12:09 | 17 |
| I agree with most of what you say, but I can't see Cremins leaving
Tech. He loves the ACC, so he won't jump the conference (since there is
none better), and he won't go back to his alma mater (So. Carolina) since
he turned them down already and they joined the SEC Football
conference. His best coaching skill is recruiting, so I can't see him
going to the NBA. In short, I think (and hope) he will stay at Tech
indefinitely. I believe he signed something like a ten year contract
not long ago.
In any case, Cremins has a history of landing a big recruit every year
or two, and I look for him to repeat that trend soon after an off year
this year. Two years ago, Tech had another "shutout" in recruiting and
still did very well. If, and probably when :^( Anderson goes pro next
year, Cremins will have yet another ACC Rookie of the Year waiting in
the wings.
Chris
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| 7.376 | | SCARGO::REEVE | | Wed Oct 10 1990 12:10 | 2 |
|
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| 7.377 | another new league | 33945::HAAS | Big Smile at the Drivethrough | Tue Nov 06 1990 11:59 | 4 |
| Cincinnati is planning to join DePaul, Marquette, Memphis St, St. Louis,
and Alabama-Birmingham in the proposed Great Midwest basketball league.
TTom
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| 7.378 | Two other obvious choices | 34223::MEDVID | Dump Jesse Helms | Tue Nov 06 1990 12:34 | 5 |
| Interesting. You think they'd try for Dayton and Xavier also. Since
when is Memphis and Birmingham in the midwest? T must have something
to do with this.
--dan'l
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| 7.379 | what about Notre Dame | 33945::HAAS | Big Smile at the Drivethrough | Tue Nov 06 1990 12:44 | 6 |
| They're already in the Midwestern Collegiate league:
Evansville, Dayton, St. Louis, Xavier, Loyola (Ill),
Detroit, Butler.
TTom
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| 7.380 | Conference Pilfering | 34223::MEDVID | Dump Jesse Helms | Tue Nov 06 1990 13:15 | 3 |
| I don't get your logic, TTom. So is St. Louis. Memphis State and UAB
are also in conferences. If they're gonna steal them, take the best.
|
| 7.381 | Not I | 33945::HAAS | Big Smile at the Drivethrough | Tue Nov 06 1990 13:23 | 6 |
| Sir,
I resent your comment insinuating that I was attempting to insert logic
into the recent trends in collegiate conference alignment and formation.
TTom
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| 7.382 | Marquette is in MCC now! | 36058::MCNEIL | | Wed Nov 07 1990 16:01 | 4 |
| Just a point of note....Marquette is in the Midwestern Collegiate Conf.
now and DePaul is scheduled to begin conference play next year.
Dave
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| 7.383 | | CBOPC3::ROSS | Bush: The Jimmy Carter of the 90's | Wed Nov 14 1990 13:18 | 6 |
| Thankfully, the REAL basketball season starts tonight with the Dodge NIT
tournament. Duke faces Marquette and Arkansas faces Vanderbilt on ESPN
tonight. Anyone know what the other matchups are? Both Duke and
Arkansas were Final Four last year and have most of their top players
back. Duke has a top freshman - Grant Hill - who is supposed to be a
budding star.
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| 7.384 | NIT pairings | HBAHBA::HAAS | Big Smile at the Drivethrough | Wed Nov 14 1990 13:26 | 15 |
| Tonight:
Memphis St at BC 7 pm\ (winners play)
Marquette at Duke 7:30/
New Orleans at Oklahoma 8:35\
Vanderbilt at Arkansas 9:30/
Austin Peay at Arizona 9 \
East Tenn St at BYU 9:30/
Tomorrow:
Fordham at Notre Dame 7:30\
Temple at Iowa 9:30/
TTom
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| 7.385 | | CBOPC3::ROSS | Bush: The Jimmy Carter of the 90's | Wed Nov 14 1990 13:37 | 59 |
| > Memphis St at BC 7 pm\ (winners play)
The debut of the Bill Curley era at BC. Hope he lives up to the hype.
He did recover from last year's foot injury didn't he?
Pick: Memphis
> Marquette at Duke 7:30/
Do they have a replacement for Abdelnaby? Will Bobby "The Weasel"
Hurley improve his shooting touch?
Pick: Duke
> New Orleans at Oklahoma 8:35\
Billy Tubbs is supposed to be in a rebuilding year. Or he is one
of those guys who just "reloads"?
Pick: Oklahoma
> Vanderbilt at Arkansas 9:30/
Arkansas is a top-5 team. Top player is guard Lee Mayberry, I think.
Pick: Arkansas
> Austin Peay at Arizona 9 \
Arizona is another top-5 team. Great frontline. Great coach. Great
program.
Pick: Arizona
> East Tenn St at BYU 9:30/
Another debut for a heralded frosh, 7'5" Shawn Bradley. I think he's
going to be a bust unless he puts on at least 50 pounds.
Pick: East Tenn State in an upset
> Fordham at Notre Dame 7:30\
Digger better do something to cure his Dean-itis {gotta work in one
dig per note for Chris' sake}.
Pick: Notre Dame, but close
> Temple at Iowa 9:30/
Mark Macon - who seems to have gotten worse every year since his
freshman season leads Temple. Iowa, under the malpractice of
Dr. Tom Davis is supposed to be one of the doormats of the Big 10.
Pick: Temple
A Duke, Arizona, Arkansas, Note Dame "final" four would be what the
promoters must be hoping for.
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| 7.386 | ETSU could be a darkhorse | SHALOT::MEDVID | try me on, I'm very you | Wed Nov 14 1990 14:26 | 6 |
| East Tennessee State over BYU would be an upset only according to the
line. ETSU has got a tough team and could emerge as a top 20 team
before Christmas depending on what happens in the rest of the nation.
We will see.
--dan'l
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| 7.387 | | RAVEN1::D_SMITH | | Wed Nov 14 1990 15:14 | 9 |
|
ETSU has all five starters returning this year to a team that won over
20 games, including wins over N.C. State and Tennessee. They have a
rookie coach with Les Robinson going to N.C. State, but I do not think
it will effect them this year.
Dave
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| 7.388 | Arkansas ??? | FDCV06::GARBARINO | | Wed Nov 14 1990 15:15 | 14 |
| > The debut of the Bill Curley era at BC. Hope he lives up to the hype.
> He did recover from last year's foot injury didn't he?
From what I've read, he isn't 100% yet.
>A Duke, Arizona, Arkansas, Note Dame "final" four would be what the
>promoters must be hoping for.
What promoters want Arkansas in the Final Four ?
Joe
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| 7.389 | You heard it here first - I'm sure about that! | WORDY::NAZZARO | Cannibals aren't picky eaters! | Wed Nov 14 1990 15:40 | 3 |
| I predict East Tennessee State will make the Final Four this year.
NAZZ
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| 7.390 | Looks like Ollie Miller lost a few lbs | MPP6::CHILDS | You talking to me? | Thu Nov 15 1990 10:39 | 7 |
|
Could someone please post last night's scores. I saw a bit of the Arkansas
Vandy game but the wife got frisky and I went to bed....
;^)
mike
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| 7.391 | All but one | SHALOT::MEDVID | try me on, I'm very you | Thu Nov 15 1990 11:11 | 7 |
| Don't know all the scores, but I do know:
Duke 87, Marquette 74
Oklahoma 95, New Orleans 65
Arkansas 107, Vanderbilt 70 (Vandy looked pretty bad)
ETSU beat BYU by about 3-4 points (the BYU frosh center amounts to
nothing more than a 7 foot dork)
|
| 7.392 | Last night's scores! | UPBEAT::JHARRINGTON | | Thu Nov 15 1990 11:13 | 12 |
|
Duke 87 Marquette 74
Oklahoma 95 New Orleans 65
Arizona 122 Austin Peay 80
Arkansas 107 Vanderbilt 70
Boston College 82 Memphis St. 78
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| 7.393 | Bye Bye Sunbelt | SHALOT::MEDVID | try me on, I'm very you | Thu Nov 15 1990 12:28 | 8 |
| The Atlantic 10 is interested in adding UNC Charlotte to its team
roster. And UNCC is interested in the A10.
If UAB jumps to the Midwest Conference, look for UNCC to jump to the
Atlantic 10.
--dan'l
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| 7.394 | Please save us from BC grads covering their school | WORDY::NAZZARO | Cannibals aren't picky eaters! | Thu Nov 15 1990 12:44 | 7 |
| Slight correction: Shawn Bradley, BYU, is a 7-5 dork! He did
score 21 points or so, though. ETSU looked good for what I saw.
And I KNEW Bob Ryan would be insufferable in the Globe today with
BC's win. And if they beat Duke Friday, he'll be 20 times worse.
NAZZ
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| 7.395 | | DASXPS::TIMMONS | I'm a Pepere! | Thu Nov 15 1990 13:35 | 3 |
| Mike, next time she get's frisky, take her to bed with you. :*)
Lee
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| 7.396 | | MPP6::CHILDS | You talking to me? | Thu Nov 15 1990 14:03 | 10 |
|
haha Lee that where she took me... ;^) her annual once-a-year I'll get the
ball rolling deal.....
how come she can bat a 1000 on getting the ball rolling while I can only
hit about 125? Hawk any ideas?
;^)
mike
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| 7.397 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Docker...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Thu Nov 15 1990 14:29 | 5 |
| RE: batting .125 while the missus bats 1.000
Mike I think most guys got bigger strike zones.
/Don
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| 7.398 | watchout I owe you bigtime!!!!! | MPP6::CHILDS | You talking to me? | Thu Nov 15 1990 14:45 | 7 |
|
hahahaaa I'm rolling Don but I have learned how to hit the slider, changeup
curve and am a master of the fastball...
;^)
mike
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| 7.399 | Don't axe me Mike, I'm usually on probation myself! :-) | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Thu Nov 15 1990 15:01 | 1 |
|
|
| 7.400 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Thu Nov 15 1990 16:15 | 3 |
|
Take that trip to NC, Hawk, and you just may receive the Death Penalty.
|
| 7.401 | No sheeit, Dickster! | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Thu Nov 15 1990 17:13 | 1 |
|
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| 7.402 | Bold prediction by Nazz, but I like it! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Thu Nov 15 1990 23:25 | 8 |
| BC beat Duke on Saturday? Hah hah! Fear not Nazz, Ryan won't have
much to write about.
ETSU is indeed a solid team, led by their new assistant coach (and Dean
disciple) Jeff Lebo.
- ACC Chris
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| 7.403 | Which? | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | It's about time! | Thu Nov 15 1990 23:53 | 6 |
| 7.404 | | UPWARD::HEISER | that sounds like noise Mr. Heiser! | Fri Nov 16 1990 12:29 | 5 |
| Frieder has brought his recruiting magic to ASU. They've made the
short list on about 80% on the nations top high school athletes.
They should be competitive this year!
Mike
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| 7.405 | Fits the mold ... | EARRTH::BROOKS | Inshallah ... Go Gantt ! | Mon Nov 19 1990 15:57 | 9 |
|
re .394
> Slight correction: Shawn Bradley, BYU, is a 7-5 dork! He did
Sounds like he'll be playing for the Celtics in a few years !
Doc
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| 7.406 | Tis the season... | SHALOT::MEDVID | If I could be God tonight... | Wed Nov 21 1990 16:42 | 12 |
| Good game on ESPN tonight between Duke and Arkansas. Duke is looking
to go to the NIT finals in New York to, get this, see the Macy's
Thanksgiving parade.
Quote from Krzyzewski: "And, we needed to see the Macy's parade. I've
always wondered how they get those balloons in there. Could you
imagine if they had a balloon of me? My nose would knock down the
Empire State Building."
Go...um...go...basketball! Yeah, that's it!
--dan'l
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| 7.407 | College Hoop News | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Lets get naked and smoke | Wed Nov 21 1990 18:51 | 16 |
| Missouri men's basketball asst. Rich Daly plans to appeal the NCAA finding
that he was guilty of unethical conduct. Daly and Bob Sundvold, also an
asst., resigned, effective March 31, after Missouri was put on 2 year's
probation Nov 8. Sundvold is considering an appeal.
The Miami Board of Trustees approved design and funding for a proposed
20 million, on-campus, 7,200-seat arena for its men's and women's basketball
teams.
Lock Haven (PA) defeated Baptist Bible College 129-78 in a season-opening
Div. II basketball game last night, in which Lock Haven attenped 62 3-point
shots, making 20.
jd
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| 7.408 | | CBOPC3::ROSS | Waiting for 'American Psycho' | Sun Nov 25 1990 16:29 | 16 |
| Some of the highly touted freshman had their debuts this weekend. Damon
Bailey looks like a decent player - had 8 assists last night although
defensively he seemed overmatched at the guard spot. He certainly lives up
to his rep about seeing the floor and knowing the game, though. Eric
Montross had an uninspired debut {at least from the boxscore}
against a cupcake opponent. Cliff Rozier had a better start for the Heels.
The class freshman in the ACC looks like Rodney Rogers at Wake Forest who hit
for over 20 in each of the first two games.
Indiana looked pretty good against Northeastern, but Eric Anderson looked
overweight and out of shape.
Arizona beat Arkansas {who beat Duke} to get to the NIT Finals. Pencil in
Arizona now for the Final Four. Their front line is the best in the country.
|
| 7.409 | | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Mon Nov 26 1990 11:25 | 7 |
| I read that, over the weekend, Northeastern beat Loyola Marmount in the
highest scoring college hoops game- 275 points total! I believe the
score was something like 152-123.......
Loyola is now 0-2.
Hawk
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| 7.410 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | You talking to me? | Mon Nov 26 1990 11:57 | 14 |
|
Syracuse beat Indiana last night to win the Maui Classic 87-84 I think.
Definately a three point victory as IU had a chance to tie it with a
last second shot that was of the rim long. Hero for SU besides Owens
was freshman Autry who hit two clutch foul shots with 8 ticks left
on the clock and SU clinging to a 1 point lead. Owens had 30. IU trailed
by double digits from midway through the first half until just about
the ten minute mark of the second half where they rallied to tie it
from 14 down.
Villinova shoots down LSU over the weekend both teams were in the
ninties. Woodard for the Wildcats and O'Neal were the big guns...
mike
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| 7.411 | Syracuse-Indiana highlights | DEMING::MCKAY | | Mon Nov 26 1990 20:17 | 23 |
| I watched the entire Syracuse-Indiana game last night.
First half Syracuse couldn't miss and were up by 17 with 10 to go
in the half. Edwards and Owens were hot. Indiana pulled to within
9 by the half. 50-41
Second half Syracuse pulled their perennial lets make a game of it
choke. They were shooting awful something like 30% through most
of the half, but Indiana wasn't doing much better 3-17 from three
point land. I really thought Indiana would win the tight game down
the stretch but Syracuse held them off.
Indiana should not be ranked in the top ten maybe even twenty in the
country. Santa clara gave them a go and Syracuse should have blown
them out. Bailey looked pretty good and made some good decisions
but seems to be tentative in popping from outside.
Syracuse has to develop an inside game using Ellis and Mcrae because
when their shooting poorly they will lose. Edwards looked like a
scoring machine at times, but the team looked tired down the
stretch. I think only 7 Orangemen played in the game.
Jimbo
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| 7.412 | Purdue 64 Massachusetts 53 | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Tue Nov 27 1990 10:40 | 1 |
|
|
| 7.413 | | CBOPC3::ROSS | Waiting for 'American Psycho' | Tue Nov 27 1990 12:02 | 2 |
| Who won the big tournaments {Alaska, Maui} ?
|
| 7.414 | | FRICK::BURGESS | | Tue Nov 27 1990 12:23 | 7 |
|
Maui Invitational...... SYRACUSE 77 INDIANA 74
Alaska Shootout....... UCLA WON (SCORE=?)
- KEN -
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| 7.415 | Bruins | HBAHBA::HAAS | Big Smile at the Drivethrough | Tue Nov 27 1990 12:54 | 5 |
| UCLA beat Duke, 89-74.
Duke D looked weak.
TTom
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| 7.416 | | REFINE::ASHE | The Perry Mason of notes... | Tue Nov 27 1990 13:07 | 2 |
| Duke was in the NIT.... you mean Virginia?
|
| 7.417 | Arizona Wildcats rule! | UPWARD::HEISER | | Tue Nov 27 1990 14:05 | 1 |
|
|
| 7.418 | Not if Razorbacks keep their cool... ;^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | You talking to me? | Tue Nov 27 1990 14:32 | 6 |
| 7.419 | | FDCV06::GARBARINO | | Thu Nov 29 1990 15:22 | 14 |
| > -< Arizona Wildcats rule! >-
Where would they be without someone else's players ? (Williams-Maryland,
Mills-Kentucky) In watching the pre-season NIT, IMO these 2 were the
difference. I don't think Rooks is a big factor, and Othick and Meulbach
shouldn't scare anyone.
They'll put up big #s during the year, but I don't think they're a lock
for the Championship.
Anyone have their non-conference schedule ?
Joe
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| 7.420 | Arizona non-conf games | SHALOT::MEDVID | If I could be God tonight... | Thu Nov 29 1990 15:50 | 14 |
| >Anyone have their non-conference schedule ?
Austin Peay State N14
Western Illinois N26
Long Beach State D1
at Northern Arizona D5
at LSU D8
Providence D23
Fiesta Bowl Classic D27
at Villanova J19
GA Tech (at E. Rutherford) F17
Duke F24
|
| 7.421 | | FRICK::BURGESS | | Fri Nov 30 1990 12:22 | 5 |
|
What does everybody think about the NCAA allowing UNLV to play
in this year's tournament???
- Ken -
|
| 7.422 | NCAA shows no muscle | FDCV07::GARBARINO | | Fri Nov 30 1990 13:22 | 32 |
| > What does everybody think about the NCAA allowing UNLV to play
> in this year's tournament???
I think the NCAA acted like scared little weenies. They penalize
UNLV, and then reduce the severity at the school's request. Any
idiot can see that UNLV's 4 alternative proposals were aimed at
lessening the pain of the penalty, and the NCAA agreed. UNLV is
stacked this year, and the cupboard will definitely be bare next
year, due to graduation and the withdrawal of both of their prize
recruits this year. In other words, they weren't going anywhere
next year anyway.
I don't know what the rules are for tournament revenue sharing
this year, but if the new rules passed this spring are NOT in
effect for this year's tournament, UNLV just made a TON of money.
Under the new rules, teams get a fixed share of tournament $
based on past performance by their respective conferences in
the NCAA tourney, regardless of whether the team loses in the
1st round, or wins the championship. In the past, the farther
the team went in the tournament, the more money the school
received. So if they're playing by the old rules, UNLV could
make a huge amount of money if the team performs to its ability.
Lastly, I agree with Dick Vitale's concerns re: UNLV's apparent
lack of concern for the underclassmen that will "take the hit"
next year. He also questioned whether Tarkanian will shoulder
the affects of the penalty, or divorce himself from it by leaving
the school (as rumored). In this scenario, the NCAA will not
have "gotten their man".
Joe
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| 7.423 | almost illegal | HBAHBA::HAAS | Big Smile at the Drivethrough | Fri Nov 30 1990 13:53 | 15 |
| The NCAA made it clear that this was an exceptional review of sanctions
that were appropriate for the exceptional sanctions. Earlier Florida
applied for a restructuring of the punishment and were denied.
I think the NCAA should enjoy it while it lasts. As long as they
continue to disregard basic civil rights like due process the situation
they invite litigation. Somewhat analagous to how free agency came about
from courts, the NCAA will have to provide more legal and judicial
constraint in dealing with these issues.
In this particular case, they took a lot of the meat out of it by letting
this UNLV team defend their title knowing that it is a very senior
oriented team. The underclassmen lose. The seniors and the school win.
TTom
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| 7.424 | ] | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | Greenpiece,WhatALeprechaunGets | Fri Nov 30 1990 14:06 | 1 |
| If I was a Jayhawk fan I'd be urinated.
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| 7.425 | | UPWARD::HEISER | | Fri Nov 30 1990 15:21 | 4 |
| ASU & Bill Frieder are off to a good start! They're 3-0 and have
convincingly beaten Kansas, SMU, and Northern Arizona U.
Mike
|
| 7.426 | make that 3-1 | JURAN::MCKAY | | Mon Dec 03 1990 19:42 | 6 |
| re -.1
And then lose to mighty DRAKE 8*)
my 2 cents
Jimbo
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| 7.427 | | UPWARD::HEISER | send an enemy a smoke alarm for Xmas! | Mon Dec 03 1990 19:46 | 7 |
| 7.428 | Iowa | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Lets get naked and smoke | Mon Dec 03 1990 20:15 | 8 |
| Mike,
Drake University is in beautiful Des Moines, Iowa. I ran there
a few years ago at a track meet. FWIW, Drake has one of the best
track facility's in the United States, and plays hosts to one of
the best outdoor meets - the Drake Relays.
JD
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| 7.429 | | CAM::WAY | Your house'll smell like Hurl Whiff | Tue Dec 04 1990 10:57 | 2 |
| Personally, I always liked Drake's Cakes the best, Yodels(tm) in
particular....
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| 7.430 | Frank, I thought you'd be a Funny Bones man | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | $80,000 + a Chevy Blazer | Tue Dec 04 1990 15:15 | 1 |
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| 7.431 | or devil dogs | UPWARD::HEISER | send an enemy a smoke alarm for Xmas! | Tue Dec 04 1990 15:18 | 1 |
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| 7.432 | | CAM::WAY | Your house'll smell like Hurl Whiff | Tue Dec 04 1990 16:18 | 9 |
| Nope.
Devil Dogs could never hold a candle to Hostess Suzy-Qs, and
those funny bones had all that fakeass peanut butter in there.
That stuff turned my stomach.
Twinkies and Yodels, preferably with a nice cold beer....yum, yum...
'Saw
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| 7.433 | my fav | CNTROL::CHILDS | U can be happy, if U have mind too | Tue Dec 04 1990 17:36 | 4 |
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look if you're going to pile on the cals why not go for a Swiss Roll?
mike
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| 7.434 | RC Cola and a Moon Pie | SCARGO::REEVE | | Tue Dec 04 1990 17:43 | 1 |
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| 7.435 | | REFINE::ASHE | Waiting... 4 u 2 justify my video... | Tue Dec 04 1990 17:56 | 1 |
| Faygo Redpop and a Bernie Kosar bar....
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| 7.436 | | UPWARD::HEISER | send an enemy a smoke alarm for Xmas! | Tue Dec 04 1990 18:10 | 2 |
| Hagen Daaz (sp?) chocolate covered ice cream bars. Milk or Dark
chocolate, they're both great!
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| 7.437 | ACC-BIG EAST CHALLENGE!!! | FRICK::BURGESS | | Wed Dec 05 1990 10:34 | 12 |
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Scores from Last night's games:
Syracuse 86 N.C. State 79
Seton Hall 78 Clemson 62
In the Syracuse game, Owens ended up with 21 points. David Johnson was
the high scorer with 24. McRae looked really good and strong off the
bench. (12 points)
- Ken -
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| 7.438 | | SACT41::ROSS | War is heck | Wed Dec 05 1990 11:03 | 3 |
| Indiana beat Vanderbilt {a team that generally gives IU a tough time}
84-73 last night. Calbert Cheaney scored 30 and Damon Bailey supposedly
keyed a late run that put the game away.
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| 7.439 | JoSH, you out there in notes land? | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Paul Yankowskas | Wed Dec 05 1990 11:20 | 10 |
| re 'Saw a few back, the best pastry with beer is homemade chocolate
chip cookies...
Getting back to basketball, I missed last night's game and haven't had
a chance otherwise to see Seton Hall play this year....how much has my
"comrade" Arturas Karnisovas played so far this season, and how has he
looked?
py
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| 7.440 | | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Wed Dec 05 1990 11:54 | 6 |
| Paul Y., I believe Jo* has permanently checked-out of SPORTS. Seems
the last "what's wrong with SPORTS" episode was the lasted straw. He
did check-in once recently, to officially announce the birth of his
boy, JUNIORo*, and then promptly checked-out........
Hawk
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| 7.441 | | CAM::WAY | Your house'll smell like Hurl Whiff | Wed Dec 05 1990 16:28 | 9 |
| I was talking to JoJ this morning. Because he had the Jets velcro
patch on his Wardlevane hat, I can call him JoJ.
He was in the Big Apple for a class, which got cancelled because the
instructor got in a car crash. So he was going back to Joisey.
I think he RONs a lot...
'Saw
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| 7.442 | :-) | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Wed Dec 05 1990 16:33 | 5 |
| > I think he [JoJ] RONs a lot...
I always figured JoJ to be one of those "closet" type fella's.....
Hawk
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| 7.443 | Damon stole my game! | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | $80,000 + a Chevy Blazer | Wed Dec 05 1990 17:14 | 7 |
| >Damon Bailey supposedly keyed a late run that put the game away.
Something like 13 points, all in the last 12 minutes. Swishes from
outside and nice body work inside to get the shooting hand free. My
kind of player.
Dan
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| 7.444 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | always initial your kiwi | Wed Dec 05 1990 18:43 | 4 |
| Hoosiers are ranked #7. Are excellent losses and excuses in our
March future?
JD
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| 7.445 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | CU: Back-to-Back Big 8 Champs | Tue Dec 18 1990 18:39 | 16 |
| A couple big wins over the weekend for the WAC. UTEP handed Georgetown
their first home non-conference loss in something like 8 years, and
then Wyoming blew out Memphis State on Sunday.
I wish some sportscasters would stop saying the 'WAC Conference'.
WAC stands for the Western Athletic Conference, so 'WAC
Conference' is a redundant term. Just one of those little nitpicky
things that bothers me, but it really disappointed me when Tom Mees
used the term on the Saturday night Sportscenter. I really like Mees,
and didn't expect that kind of blunder out of him. But the worst part
is that even some of the local sportscasters say 'WAC Conference', and
their local team is in the WAC! Shows you what kind of pitiful sports
coverage we have here in Colorado Springs.
Joe
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| 7.446 | | SACT41::ROSS | o.o | Thu Dec 20 1990 15:45 | 18 |
| Princeton got stomped by UNLV last night... held to around 35 points. Despite
being down by a ton late in the game, the Tigers continued to play
pass-pass-pass to run down the shot clock, apparently using the court time as a
practice session.
Pete Carill sure has taken his excellent losses a long way in the hype
department. I'm not that impressed with his record mainly because he
hasn't stepped outside the safe world of Ivy League competition. I
imagine he is a great person, but as a coach, he's just an interesting
character to me.
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LSU plays Loyola-Marymount tonight on ESPN. If Shaquille O'Neal can
avoid foul trouble and can get up and down the court a few times, he
should put together back-to-back 50+ point games.
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| 7.447 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | CU: Back-to-Back Big 8 Champs | Fri Dec 21 1990 11:26 | 7 |
| Anyone get a final on that Tenn-New Mexico game from last night? I
konked out at halftime with UNM leading 42-36. Longley is one of the
nation's better centers, but the Lobos need to get him the ball more.
It was obvious last night, plus Valvano pointed out that Longley is only
averaging 10 shots a game.
Joe
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| 7.448 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Fri Dec 21 1990 11:34 | 108 |
| New Mexico won, 83-80. Here are all last night's scores:
BIG TEN
CENTRAL MICHIGAN 61 at MICHIGAN STATE 74
CINCINNATI 72 at MINNESOTA 64
BUTLER 81 at PURDUE 97
BIG EAST
SYRACUSE 78 at TOWSON STATE 73
PAC TEN
MONTANA 76 at OREGON 85
ACC
VIRGINIA 74 at MARSHALL 60
CLEMSON 71 at COPPIN STATE 70
SOUTHEASTERN
VMI 60 at VANDERBILT 79
LOYOLA MARYMOUNT 114 at LSU 122
SAM HOUSTON 71 at MISSISSIPPI 73
TENNESSEE 80 at NEW MEXICO 83
SOUTHWEST
TEXASCOLL 78 at TEXAS A and M 92
NORTHERN ILLINOIS 76 at RICE 66
METRO
CINCINNATI 72 at MINNESOTA 64
BIG WEST
SANTA CLARA 69 at SAN JOSE STATE 63
AUGUSTA 50 at SANTA BARBARA 80
NW LOUISIANA 71 at FRESNO STATE 88
PORTLAND 84 at FULLERTON STATE 91
WESTERN ATHLETIC
TENNESSEE 80 at NEW MEXICO 83
WAGNER 64 at HAWAII 78
BIG SKY
MONTANA 76 at OREGON 85
SOUTHERN
VMI 60 at VANDERBILT 79
COASTAL CAROLINA 80 at WESTERN CAROLINA 74
APPALACHIAN STATE 83 at NORTH TEXAS STATE 95
VIRGINIA 74 at MARSHALL 60
WEST COAST
SANTA CLARA 69 at SAN JOSE STATE 63
LOYOLA MARYMOUNT 114 at LSU 122
PORTLAND 84 at FULLERTON STATE 91
MISSISSIPPI VALLEY STATE 88 at ST MARY'S 84
MISSOURI VALLEY
TULSA 73 at CREIGHTON 64
BRADLEY 74 at ILLINOIS STATE 54
AMER SOUTH
TENNESSEE STATE 88 at SW LOUISIANA 127
BIG SOUTH
AUGUSTA 50 at SANTA BARBARA 80
COASTAL CAROLINA 80 at WESTERN CAROLINA 74
EAST COAST
SYRACUSE 78 at TOWSON STATE 73
MID-AMERICAN
GRAMBLING 78 at TOLEDO 86
CENTRAL MICHIGAN 61 at MICHIGAN STATE 74
WOOSTER 69 at BALL STATE 93
MID-EASTERN
CLEMSON 71 at COPPIN STATE 70
BETHUNE COOKMAN 72 at EVANSVILLE 84
MID-WESTERN
BUTLER 81 at PURDUE 97
BETHUNE COOKMAN 72 at EVANSVILLE 84
NORTHEAST
WAGNER 64 at HAWAII 78
OHIO VALLEY
TENNESSEE STATE 88 at SW LOUISIANA 127
AUSTIN PEAY 97 at ARKANSAS LITTLE ROCK 82
GEORGIA SOUTHERN 76 at MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE 80
SOUTHLAND
APPALACHIAN STATE 83 at NORTH TEXAS STATE 95
SAM HOUSTON 71 at MISSISSIPPI 73
NW LOUISIANA 71 at FRESNO STATE 88
SOUTHWESTERN
GRAMBLING 78 at TOLEDO 86
MISSISSIPPI VALLEY STATE 88 at ST MARY'S 84
TRANS AMERICA
CENTRAL FLORIDA 80 at SAMFORD 89
AUSTIN PEAY 97 at ARKANSAS LITTLE ROCK 82
GEORGIA SOUTHERN 76 at MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE 80
INDEPENDENTS
CENTRAL FLORIDA 80 at SAMFORD 89
FLAATLANTIC 79 at FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL 77
NORTHERN ILLINOIS 76 at RICE 66
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| 7.449 | Longley has size and not much more | JURAN::MCKAY | | Fri Dec 21 1990 12:59 | 16 |
| If Longley is one of the nations better centers then the center
position is hurting. The best thing he has going for him is that
he's 7'2", because you can't teach height. I was not impressed last
night by him at all. He missed many many shots from 4 feet and in.
He was sloooowwww getting up and down the court. The Tennessee
Center all 6'9" and anyone else on the team easily took it to the
hoop right over him. I realize this is a bit harsh seeing him play
only once, but I just wasn't impressed. I thought the best player
on the New Mexico side was Wil Robbins(?), he has a nice shot and
would have scored at will had his teammates given him the ball
a little more. I think he must have knocked down 5 trey's minimum
Jimbo who had Tenn last night
Jimbo who had Tenn. last night
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| 7.450 | EXTRA EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT! PETE GILLEN BUYS ACC CHRIS' HOUSE!! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Thu Dec 27 1990 11:47 | 22 |
| As a young lad I spent several years in the fine city of Cincinnati,
OH. Actually we lived in the town of Montgomery, OH, which is NW of
the city.
Well my brother just went back for his HS reunion and stopped by our
old house on 714 Baywind Drive and (gulp!) found out that the current
resident is none other than the red-hot college coaching commodity and
current coach of Xavier University, Mr. Pete Gillen!!!!
I can only surmise that Coach Gillen *felt* something when he checked
out the house. Felt something *powerful*. Something *GOOD*. After
all, we were the first inhabitants of the house, and we'd moved from
Tobacco Road where, even as a youngster, I was a devoted Dean Disciple!
This might seem a little mystical but I've gotta believe Coach Gillen
owes at least part of his enormous success to the good hoops vibrations
left from our original habitation of that home. Of course we won't
know until he takes another job and sells the place. Maybe then the
losses will start to pile up?!
- ACC Chris
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| 7.451 | homely | HBAHBA::HAAS | Big Smile at the Drivethrough | Fri Dec 28 1990 10:36 | 4 |
| Hey Chris, are you goiing to hype Pete Gillen to succeed Dean? Now if
Dean moved into your house, we'd have a real story.
TTom
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| 7.452 | Still an unproven outside of Montgomery, OH IMNSHO. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Dec 28 1990 11:42 | 6 |
| Pete Gillen is a fine young coach TTom, but I wouldn't want him
replacing Dean until he's taken another job and *proven* that
it's not just the house.
- ACC Chris
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