Conference 7.286::sports_90

    
    One explanation of yesterday's 47-27 win over Houston was offerred by
    new coach Jerry Glanville - prior to the game, Glanville suggested 
    dedicating the game ball to another Texas team, namely the SMU
    Mustangs, as a tribute to their sufferring at the hands of Jack Pardee
    and last year's Houston Cougars when they ran up the score (95-21).
    Glanville also called Pardee a "total jerk."
    
    Atlanta has one of the most brutal schedules in the league this year.
    Fortunately, it looks like they also have an offense.

    
    I can only begin to imagine the cheap shots Deion Sanders will be able
    to come up with now that Glanville is his coach.  The two are made for
    each other.  
    
    

    
    Deion actually had a pretty clean game yesterday - he was called for
    pass interference once that was pretty questionable (among a lot of
    questionable calls), and of course got a flag for the funk dance he did
    with Marcus Cotton and Aundray Bruce after his TD int runback in the
    4th quarter.
    
    The real offender on the Falcon's defense was Scott Case

    Don't forget the punt return Deion fumbled in the 1st quarter. 
    Could've been costly, 'sept Moon coughed it up himself a few plays
    later and the Falcons ran it in for a TD.  
    
    Aundray Bruce was awesome early, but I can't figure Houston out.  The
    guy simply had NO ONE blocking him for about 7 plays in a row!  To his
    credit, he took advantage of it.
    
    With the abuse us Atlantans have suffered courtesy of Ted Turner
    (Braves, Hawks) it doesn't take much to get the fans fired up.  Add in
    Mack Brown's football program at UNC, and I'm firmly on the bandwagon!
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    Jerry Glanville is a jerk.  His teams play dirty .... not tough, but
    dirty ...... and he can't win the ones that really count.
    
    Take a hike Jerry .....

    Why is everyone bitching about Glanville ?  I really like the guy; he
    tells you what he thinks; he doesn't give in; and adds some life to
    the game.  Now if you are talking about jerks how about BOOBY Ryan of
    the Beagles ?

    _Both_ Buddy Ryan and Jerry Glanville are fatuous asses.
    
         The lone difference between them is that Ryan's teams know how to
    play D - and without incurring ridiculous penalties.

    
    Glanville may have a few dark clouds following him around, but he has
    given Atlanta something they haven't had for quite awhile - confidence.
    He also knows how to make the most of his players talents - case in
    point Aundray Bruce, who was restrained by Marion Campbell's "analyze
    and react" philosophy, has now been given the green light to play
    "attack football," and a lot of you may have seen how it paid off last
    Sunday afternoon. 
    
    Atlanta hasn't had much of an opportunity for pride in its football
    team since Glanville served up the "Grits Blitz" here in the early
    80's.  Glanville is just the right coach for this team right now - he's
    loose, and he likes his players to have fun.  And with Falcon-sponsored 
    charitable events such as last Friday night's benefit concert for the 
    Childrens' hospital, he'll continue to have this city behind him.
                      

    re .8
    
    I tend to agree with much of what you said, but Glanville set a record
    for an all-time reach when he dedicated the game ball to Forrest Gregg
    and SMU, AND managed to call Pardee a "total jerk".
    
    Wrong Jerry. It takes somebody really petty to say that.
    
    Can't wait for the Falcons-Bengals game .... actually the post-game
    press conference will be the best part. Maybe ESPN will televise it ?
    
    Doc

    Hey, I'm not a Glanville fan but Pardee's Cougar High *did* run up the
    score against SMU last year.  95-21, if I recall.   And remember he was
    saying afterwards that the Coogs somehow couldn't run out the clock
    against the Ponys with boring ol' running plays because their playbook
    just didn't have 'em.  And, therefore, he *had* to keep throwing bombs
    and other passes.   Yeah, right, Jack ...
    
    Pardee was quoted as reacting to Glanville's remarks by saying "what
    comes around, goes around".
    
    Well, Jack oughta know, don'tcha think ???  I do agree with Pardee that
    Forrest Gregg of SMU doesn't need Glanville to fight his battles for
    him.   Other than that, I didn't mind seeing pardee get a whupping.
    
    I also think Deion Sanders will quickly rise to the top of just about
    every other team's secret "bounty" list.   He is 100% hot dog and is
    just a clock begging to be cleaned.
    
    Bob Hunt

 Obviously Jerry is trying to boost the sales of autobi book and will continue
 to be more and more outlandish than ever. Personally I kind of like it and
 agreed with him. 

 Will Atlanta lead the league in celebration penalities this year?  ;^)

 mike

Actually, whatever you can use to fire up your team you should use.
I guess it depends on how public it is though....  I mean, Glanville
may have been tacky, but it did the trick.

I think that taunting rule sucks.  I mean, give me a break.  Half the
time these refs can't even call the regular rules properly and now
they have to worry about what constitutes taunting...  Pretty dumb
if you ask me.

Yeah, I agree about Neon Deion also.  Somebody's gonna put a lot
of hurtin' on that dude....

'Saw

    I agree Neon could use a good old fashion spanking, NFL-style, (read
    knocked unconscious, loose a few teef, etc.) but let's be honest here,
    defensive backs are almost always the initiators of the punishment, not
    the receivers.  Catch any of those shots Ronnie Lott was dishing out
    Monday night?  Whoa.
    
    All of this is the reason I *luv* it when a big running back running
    the sweep nears the sideline with one of them cheap-shot DB's coming
    over to see that he heads OB.  Rather than stepping out though, the
    running back lowers his shoulder and *DRILLS*
    "fill_in_your_least_favorite_DB", thoroughly flattening him!
    
    Now *that* is fun!
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    Jerry Glanville is GOD.
    
    I cain only thank the stars that he managed to disassociate himself
    from that disorganized band of underappreciative losers, the Houston
    Toilers.
    
    Thinka it: He goes to Houston and inherits a band of pussies haided
    up by a Hollywood primadonna of a_overrated nothing in War and Moon.
    He bootstraps these geeks with his know-how, and takes them to two
    straight playoff berths after years of ignominy.  What happens?  The
    Houston press rips him, busts him in that quiche-eating city's all-
    important style points category.  So, despite owner Bud Adams begging
    him to stay, Jerry takes his rough and tumble act to a place even 
    worse off, HotLanta.  
    
    What's he do first off?  He teaches the overrated War and Moon all
    about how QB haids get inserted in-to-the-ground, and he stomps his
    former employer and their big mouthed coach who woulda been better
    off sticking with U. Houston and playing that cream puff schedule.
    
    Jerry Glanville's only made one big mistake in his career: He shoulda
    kicked the ugly Chuck Noll's ass that day in '87.  I'm sure he'll do
    just that when payback time rolls around with Sam Wyche.
    
    Jerry's a winner, a blue collar hero.  The Falcons are on their way
    back cuz they finally have a leader at the helm.  In black.
    
    MrT 

    
    Deion may escape unscathed this year, because he is chickenpoop.  Last
    year against the niners he had a couple extremely cheap shots out of
    bounds early in the game.  In the 4th quarter he intercepted a ball,
    and it was obvious that the niners were intent on evening the score. 
    Deion headed straight for the sidelines, with no niner within five
    yards of him.
    
     

    I'm going to dredge up the Houston-SMU game, except to say that Pardee
    didn't throw bombs, and emptied his roster. SMU led in T.O.P. by a wide
    margin.
    
    The simple fack of the matter is that SMU had no business playing UH
    that year. End of story.
    
    And I still say that Glanville is reaching. He talks a lot of trash
    knowing that Houston and Atlanta won't meet again for three years -
    assuming Jerry doesn't wear out his welcome in Atlanta.
    
    Atlanta will be an improved team, but I fear that Jerry hasn't learned
    f4om the past. Atlanta will be a great home team, and will get to the
    playoffs in about 2-3 years (he inhertied a talented team, and the
    George trade really helped). But they won't get past the 2nd round.
    
    Last thing, T, you know even less about the NFL than I thought.
    
    Moon prospered in spite of Glanville - not because of him. Which is why
    the two don't get along. 
    
    There is a reason why Moon audibled more than any QB in the league -
    Glanville was calling plenty of the plays.

    re .16
    
    Bruce, you have to admit, Deion and Rison have the two best end zone
    dances in recent memory. Deion's was so good, his teammates joined him
    in the end zone to provide an audience..... :-)
    
    (BTW, I think the anti-celebration rule is really chicken----.)
    
    And if NFL teams want payback ... well Deion does return kicks ....

    
    kep dancing rison.. gonna get some serious  FFL POINTS THIS YR!
    

    
    Re .16
    
    Deion is mouthy and lacks a fair degree of good sense, but I wouldn't
    say he's "chickenpoop."  I think he felt a little out of place last
    year under Campbell, suffered along with the rest of the team in the
    ongoing frustration, and readily alientated himself with a lot of the
    local press.  He's got considerable talent which, if properly
    developed, could make him a real star.
    
    When asked to describe his Paytonesque touchdown glide last week,
    despite a hyperextended knee, Deion replied "When you see an open
    field, the pain just seems to go away."
    
    Steve 

    Let's face it: Pardee IS a jerk for scoring 95 points against
    the 'Stangs. He was caught up in the pressure/power/glory thing
    of achieving a high national ranking and pleasing the football-
    is-the-only-thing-in-life mentality alums. On the other hand,
    Glanville is a master of the publicity gimmick. Atlanta writers
    are pouring out the copy on Glanville. One can imagine why: After
    several years of writing about Marion Campbell Soup, the feature
    writers and lead game-story writers now have beautiful lead-ins
    and controversial quotes from Glanville. They love it!
    
    You don't have to like Glanville's tactics and/or personality --
    I personally think he's somewhat (although I haven't figured
    out to what degree) phony. But he was perfect for the Atlanta
    job. This team needed some ass-kickin' and motivation. They had
    adequate talent and got plenty more in the draft (Broussard,
    and then Jeff George, whom they traded for Rison and Hinton), but
    previously no one to motivate this talent and mold it. Glanville's
    Red Gun is perfect for the speed and talent of Falcons receivers
    and QB, Chris Miller. 
    
    Steve, I can tell you're a Falcons fan like me. Right on! At
    least now we have a fightin' chance (note the "we" -- you can
    tell I am objective) to kick some butt. Now the Cincinnatis, the
    Chicagos, the Niners and Rams won't take the Falcons so lightly,
    and make us the butt of their jokes. And Jerry Glanville -- like
    him or not -- is the reason!
    
    

    >Moon prospered in spite of Glanville - not because of him.
    
    Good ol' Midnight, always bald-faced enough to foist off purely
    inferential speculation as "known fact."  Prove it.
    
    While you're struggling, Doc, may I DISprove it?: 
    
    	No longer benefiting from Jerry's Jenius, War And Moon instead
       	suffered from it, the AP Wire photo of him being stuffed for
    	the 45th time in all the Sunday papers.  War And, never shy about
        excuse-making (something Jenius Jerry never did) sez that he 
    	got sacked so much cuz Jerry was out to get him.
    
    Haa.  Hey War And, mebbe you got stuffed so much cuz Jerry was at
    the OTHER helm!  Huh?  And mebbe you miss him, crybaby?
    
    >Which is why the two don't get along.
    
    Maybe they don't get along cuz War And Moon is a primadonna while
    Jerry's a man's man.  
    
    >Glanville inherited a talented team in Atlanta.
    
    HO HO HO HA HA HEEE.  Yeah, this is why Atlanta has been such a
    dominant squad the past few years.  Face it, buddy: Jenius Jerry 
    turns losers into winners.  Him and success are the two consistent
    elements in his track history. 
                                               
    MrT

T, Moon threw for 397 yards and 4 TD's I wouldn't exactly say he suffering
without Glandville. I will agree though that he suffering because of Jerry.

mike

UH, before all the Falcon fans start talking playoffs and Super 
Bowl and butt kicking and so on and so forth, try to recall that 
the Oilers talked a mean game last year, but plain and simple, 
they were toasted every other week. Remember what Minnesota did 
to em? Cincy? 

Is Atlanta that good?

Nah, Houston is just THAT bad.

daryll

       You're right Daryll, the Pats even wasted 'em lasted year!
                                          Denny

    Dream on fellas .... Houston got ambushed ... but they will be in the
    AFC title game - at the very least ...
    
    Which is more than you will be able to say for Atlanta, the Pats, and a
    few other teams .....

    Houston has seed the last a any playoffs for a while, especially 
    now that they got a GEEK for a coach. 
    
    Do I have to spell it out for ya Midnight:
    
    Atlanta/no Jerry-the-Jenius/lose
    Atlanta/Jerry-the-Jenius/win
    
    Houston/Jerry-theJenius/win
    Houston/no Jerry-the-Jenius/lose

    re: .21
    
    > Marion Campbell Soup
    
    That should read Marion "Soup" Campbell, who's not be confused with
    yours truly or Bob "Ketchup" Hunt.  HTH.
    
    
    re: DocZilch
    
    > (Atlanta has loads of talent)
    > (Houston in AFC Title Game at least)
    
    And you wonder why you've got a credibility problem Doc?!  HAH!  What a
    joke.  Houston looked about as much like an AFC finalist as that
    pee-wee team Frank Way saw jogging the other night.  And Atlanta
    talented?  Well, things may be turning around slowly, but last I
    checked the Falcons had the numero uno choice in last years draft, and
    they didn't trade for it, they (insert voice of that fat old guy
    who made this line famous) **EARNED** IT.
    
    Say what you will about Jerry Glanville, but he's turned a truly
    hapless team (They drew a little over 7,000 fans to their last home
    game last year.  Now THAT is hapless!) into one that's at least
    enjoyable to watch.  The local scribes are in love with him, as are the
    players and fans.  All his charity work doesn't hurt his PR neither.
    
    
    - FF Chris  (Falcons Fan Chris)

    Has anyone ever seen Jerry Glanville and Bob Knight together in the
    same room ???
    
    Think about it.
    
    Bob Hunt

Houston stands about as much chance of playing in the AFC Title
game as I do of being invited to try out for the US Eagles....

    That comparison's fine with me.
    
    Everybody moans and groans about how Glanville's teams allegedly
    play dirty, but if you lined up the 20 most dirty plays over the
    last five years you'd be lucky if even one of Jerry's minions'd
    make the list.
    
    Glanville is simple to understand: He takes bad teams and fires 
    them up and gets them to a competitive level.  That's why people
    like Tom Brooks here (aka Dr. Midnight) ran Jerry outta town - 
    they didn't know what to do once they had no more losing team 
    with a losing attitude to groan and moan about, which is what they
    prefer to do in that quiche-eating town.
    
    Question now is, Atlanta's a bit of a quiche-eatery itself.  Yuppie
    capital of the south, even ahead of Dallas and Houston.  Cain they
    take a_ass-kickin' winner like Jerry?  He's totally non-phony man's
    man, will that go down in a glitzy place like Atlanta?
    
    MrT

    Atlanta may be the yuppie capital of the SE, but Georgia is football
    country, USA.  These folk go NUTS over college football, and I mean
    bananas.  Support of a winning pro football team is a logical
    extension, although an unparalleled streak of losing has resulted in
    this never being proven out.
    
    This, combined with the fact that this town is starving for a
    winner like a famished dog a bone leads me to conclude Jerry G won't be
    jetisoned any time soon. 
    
    
    - FF Chris

      All I have to say is, them new uniforms are UGLY!!!
    
      I do hope Atlanta makes headaches for their division this year.  It
    would be a nice change.  The same goes for the Lions, Bucs, and yes
    Dallas, or  even the Cards at that matter.
    
    		Tim

    re .28
                                    
    Talk to me after Week 8. I expect Houston to have problems not only
    adjusting to the R&S, but to their new 4-3 defense. If Houston hits
    their stride by Week 8 with a 4-3 record, they'll be okay. If they're
    still struggling .... oh well ....

    T, if Jerry is such a winner, then tell me why he choked as a coach in
    almost every crucial game the Oilers had ?
    
    Stagger Lee, Ill-advised option pitches, et al
    
    And let's not forget how Warren Moon had thrown fo 414 yards aginst the
    Browns, yet Glanville ordered runs the very minute HOuston got ahead.
    And of course the Browns got the ball back nad scored a winning TD.
    
    
    Facts please ....
    

    I saw the SMU-Houston game that everyone is talking about, and it truly
    was embaressing.  Gregg was fuming, and said that Houston's day will
    soon come.  Unfortunately, Glanville beat him to it, but SMU will still
    exact their revenge.
    
    Worn Moon (tm) suffers from Dave Krieg disease, he looks great one game
    and sucks the next.  With the group of receivers he has, the talented
    offensive line, and awesome RB he should carry the team to the SB, but
    he can't do it.  you can blame Glanville, but Moonshine is the one who
    throws those incompletions and not the coach.
    
    Worn Moon (tm) is a good QB, but not a leader who can carry a team.
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

    
    Tony Casillas is scheduled to sign today, for a base salary of 1.1
    mill, the lazy bum.
    
    Jerry Glanville also extended a public apology to Jack Pardee...All 
    should now be forgiven, right?
    
    :>)

    	Say what you will about Dieon, but don't call him yellow.  I
    saw the guy in an exhibition game against the Pats, and the guy
    never met a punt he won't try to return.
    
    				/Don

    Chris,
    
    How can you say Georgia is football country?  If they are crazy about
    football, they would have supported the losing teams also.
    
    Atlanta didn't support the losers.  Seen taped to an interstate 20 sign
    in Atlanta:
    
    			Interstate 20
    			Falcons 0
    
    An Atlanta bumper sticker:
    
    	Go Braves! ...and take the Falcons with you!
    
    Yeah, that's a real love of football.
    
    	--dan'l

    John D, you sound like a Heifer's fan who is understandably jealous of
    the Oilers and Moon, while suffering through the Troy Acme Error ....
    
    Oh what did you say ? You ARE a Cowgirls fan ?
    
    I rest my case ....

    >Moon not a leader ?
    
    No no, Doc.  Worn *is* a leader... that is, if you're looking for
    somebody to lead 47 steroid-users in a chorale of whining.  And it's
    typical that you point to alleged play selection in one game.  Facts?
    Jest look at the big picture: Jerry turned that club around, and watch
    them sink now that his leadership and innovation has moved east.  Worn
    Moon (tm) is only good for piling up daststicks (tm) at the expense of
    team success.  He is, if you will, the Wade Boggs of the NFL, except
    not nearly as good.  
    
    Worn is a whiner, and now, so are you.
    
    MrT

    Doc, tell me of a group of receivers more talented than the Oilers. The
    closest I could think of would be Wash., but the Oilers have four good
    ones.
    
    The offensive line is made up of 1st round picks and considered by many
    as one of the best in the NFL.  
    
    In terms of RBs, if the Oilers released any one of them see how fast
    they will re-sign with other teams.
    
    Defense is the Achilles's heel for the Oilers, particularly the DB. 
    
    You are right Doc, Worn Moon (tm) does not suck he bites !!!!
    
    BTW how many SBs has Worn Moon led the Oilers to ?
    
    John "D Cowboys" R. 

    As much as I hate Glanville, I must admit he is a builder of tough,
    winning teams.  But we have the ultimate proof right in front of us
    that Glanville has brought something new to the Falcs.
    
    Do you think this note would even exist, let alone have close to 50
    replies in three days if Campbell was still coaching?
    
    No way.
    
    	--dan'l

    Take it from one who knows all about the "Swamp Fox", Marion Campbell.
    
    The Eagles hired him as their head man after Dick Vermeil spun down in
    flames.   We then slept through 3 years of snooze-ball.
    
    Then Buddy Ryan hit town and things haven't been the same since.  There
    are many things I don't like about His Rudeness but I sure as hell
    can't call him boring.
    
    Reporter: "What happended out there today, Caoch ???"
    
    Marion Campbell: "Well, we played as hard as we could but we just
    		     didn't get the breaks.  Ya gotta give credit to the
    		     other team.  They wanted it more than we did.  But a
    		     bounce here or a bounce there and we'd have had a
    		     chance.  We gotta get ready for our next opponent."
    
    Buddy Ryan:	     "We got our asses kicked and there are some people who
    		     won't have jobs next week."
    
    Big difference ...
    
    Bob Hunt

Thanks Bob.

I was sitting here trying like hell to remember where Campbell had
come from before Hotlanta, and you just provided the answer.
(And you didnt' even have to send me you-know-what!)

thanks,
'Saw

    Fellow noters :
    
    I hearby accuse and issue a warrent for the SPORTS arrest of MrT on the
    charges of Blatant and Craven Pandering (1 count), and Aggraivated
    WardleVaning (1 count).
    
    I have proof, who will defend MrT in this trial ???
    
    DrM

    Good analytical insight there, Bob.
    
    Let's sum this note up:
    
    1. The Houston Oilies weren't good enough for Jerry, so he went to
       rescue a squad more deserving of him and the results are emerging.
    
    2. Dr. Midnight has always been uncomfortable in the role of winner,
       he's led a comfy life thus far, and he's happy that Jerry be gone.
    
    3. Jack Pardee is perfect for the Toilers, and for Midnight.
    
    4. Worn Moon (tm) is a_overrated bore, a crybaby, and if you review 
       his record of pumped-up dastistickal might, inconsistency, big-game
       choke jobs, and lack of success, you then understand why he was 
       stuck playing in the CFL for so long.  If he were a white guy he'd
       be playing backup for Steve Peuller or Phil Simms or somebody like
       that right now.
    
    MrT
        

    Lasted chance to repent T, or else I'll nail ya to the wall. And in
    light of your previous sorid affair in this notes conference, you will
    probably get the SMU treatment (Death Penality) !!!!!
    
    Come clean or else !!!!!
    
    Doc

Not another trial.

Let's just take it to mail 8^)

    So whaddya got, Doc?
    
    A "doctored" mail?  Don't even think about trying it.  The fack that
    Chris Knorr is still in here stands as incontrovertable proof that 
    even damning testimony, much less alleged mails, isn't enough to rid
    this place of fraud.  
    
    So don't bring forgery into the picture too.
    
    What I'd suggest you do, Midnight, is settle down to dealing with the
    facts of Glanville's success, his magic if you will, and gird your
    infrequently used loins for a humiliating but riotous Pardee (excuse
    the pun, but I cain't resist those :^)...
    
    MrT

    Good question: I am not sure Atlanta can take an ass-kickin' winner
    like Glanville. Evidence to ponder: We fired Leeman Bennett after
    he got us deep into the playoffs, only to lose to the Cowboys in
    the last few seconds; we fired Joe Torre after he led the Braves
    to a division title and second-place finish another year; we fired
    Mike (Little Hubie) Fratello after consistently leading us into
    the playoffs and 50-plus win seasons (although Hawks performed
    relatively poorly each year in the playoffs).
    
    However, since the Falcons brought in an excellent player-personnel
    man in Ken Herock, and Rankin Smith (owner) moved into the background
    and kept his hands off the guts of the business, the atmosphere
    here is much better with the Falcons. It took Smith long enough
    to wise up and keep his hands out of the cookie jar, but now that
    he is, things are different. glanville will Stay for a long while,
    and the Falcons will win. And Atlanta will love it.
    
    "Glitzy"? I don't know about that. Ever been to the Cheetah III?
    

    I am glad that Glanville has come into Atlanta and "turned things
    around".  I feel that he has instilled, a confidence, that this team
    has not had, in a long while.  But on the other hand I don't want
    this team to "win without class", and be known around the league 
    as the "cheap shot artists".
    
    Lets make the statement on the football field, not in the newspapers
    and at press conferences.   Lets WIN and Win with Class.  (Tom Landry
    style)
    
    Regards,
    
    Ken
     

    
    re .52
    
    If my loins aren't be used frequently enough, it's because you're too
    busy obsequiously attempting bilabially fricatate my glutemus maximus 
    (KMA) in your futile attempt to save your condemmed carcass .....
    
    I hearby formally ask for the SPORTS community to swiftly and firmly
    rebuke T for his parole transgressions.
      
    DrM

    DrM,
    
    Funny reply, but it's:
    
    "fricative" and "gluteus maximus"
    
    Too funny!
    
    Scott (Yes, 1 year of linguistics)

    Sorry, I was trying to get the right verb tense, and garbled the
    spelling.
    
    In any case, I see that MrT hasn't answered in his usual haste. Either
    he's wiping his lips off, or he's trying to canvass support for his
    faltering bandwagon ....

    MrT has answered your hollow bellowings thank youi.
    
    >trying to canvass support for his faltering bandwagon ....
    
    Whaddya, blind?  I never *dreamed* how many FalconFanatics there 
    were in the world teal I came out a the closet as a recognizer of
    Jerry Glanville's qualities.  I dig the Falcons now, and if it
    weren't for my longstanding Bengal roots, I'd be on their fine 
    bandwagon in a minute.  
    
    Go Falcons!  YEAH.
    
    MrT

    
    And what does J.G. think of his former team the Houston "Toilers"
    (:>))?
    
    "They couldn't hit you if you gave them a stick and (crapped) on their
    boots..."
    
    P.S. Gil Renfroe is back on the streets

    
    Falcons were soundly thrashed by the MIGHTY DETROIT LIONS!! 
    HA HA HA!! I love it when Glandsville(tm) loses! He is such
    a jerk.
    
    
    
    Steve

    
    Soundly thrashed?  I don't think so.  Atlanta totally dominated the
    second half, shutting out the Detroit offense, and moving the
    ball rather effectively themselves.  If it weren't for a few isolated
    plays, the score would have been more in line with the rest of the
    numbers.  Chris Speilman, IMO, was the key to Detroit's success.
    
    I thought Glanville coached a good game.  Sanders and Dimry played well
    too, despite their injuries.  Steve Broussard had a much better day
    than Barry Sanders.  But hats off to the Lions, they're a good football
    team.

    I hear that Atlanta took themselves out of the game with some real
    stupid penalties, including a P.F. on Bruce ... any details ???

    >any details ???
    
    Looking for some mud to sling on poor Jerry, Midnight?  Has it gotten
    to the point that each time one a Jerry's minions gets called for a 
    personal foul it'll serve as "proof" that Glanville plays dirty?
    
    You know whom you remind me of, Doc: Chuck Knoll.  Yeah, that's right,
    sad-sack fat-ass Chuck.  The guy who oversaw one a the dirtiest defenses
    ever in the Steel Curtain (have we forgotten all those cheap shots by
    Mean Joe, Ham, and the rest?) and then when he gets some in return years
    he whines like a corpulent baby with doo doo in his diapers and tries
    to show up Jerry at midfield in post-game.
    
    Dr. Chuck Midnight.  Ha.
    
    MrT

    I guess he drooped like a flaccid pussy willow in a strong wind.  One
    other thing, Chuck, them Houston Toilers really missing that good old
    time Jerry Glanville leadership and innovation now, ain't they?
    
    As for Worn Moon (tm), here's a guy who'll rack up all those puffed
    up dastisticks what with the run n' shoot offense, but bottom line
    without Jenius he's a loser, despite the false reports from mike and
    Chuck.  Haa.
    
    Me?, I prefer hard hitting honest football to all that pussy-footing
    around, unlike you.
    
    MrT                

/Don, 

You forgot the best of them all in your p-name...

Jack the Ripper.

HTH,
'Saw

    Looked to me like the Houston Toilers still remember how to cheap shot,
    even with Jerry in 'lanta.
    
    Dan

    Agree with the Dirty Steelers comment.  I vividly recall a play when
    the Steelers were playing the Bengals.  Kenny Anderson was leading
    Cincy to the "W" when he scrambled out of the pocket and headed
    downfield.  After stepping out of bounds by several yards some Steeler
    DB came over and gave him a nice solid forearm to the head.  15 yard
    penalty on Pittsburgh, but Anderson was left barely conscious and out
    for the rest of the game.
    
    Pittsburgh went on to win, and I didn't hear Chucky complainin'.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    
    

    The guy you're thinking about was Mel Blount ....
    
    Let's not forget Jack Lambert, or Joe Green punching a Donk in the
    filberts in a '77 playoff game. Or Mike Wagner blowing out Mike
    Barber's knee in '79 .....
    
    Noll is a hyporcrite ... almost as much a hyporcrite as MorT.
    
    

    SPORTs noters, I ask again, shall I present the evidence of MrT's
    WardleVaning ???
    
    I promise, this is REAL, GENUINE evidence of T's skuldugger.
    
    This makes ACCaught's tomfoolery look like a piker in comparison.
    
    Doc

    The Steelers played dirty...so did the Raiders...so DID the Oilers.
    
    That's football.  Noll was wrong for pulling that sh!t on Glanville. 
    Even Mean Joe said at the time that Noll shouldn't have done that
    because that's the way HE played.
    
    But ain't it funny how the rest of the league jumped on the Noll
    bandwagon rather than the Glanville bandwagon?  Tell me, who was wrong
    in the long run, Noll for bringing Houston's dirty play to national
    attention (though the way he did it was very unprofessional)?  Even Sam
    Wyche, who isn't fond of Noll in the least bit, was on that bandwagon.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    I'm not the world's biggest Glanville fan, but at least he adds some
    interest to the game. In these times where the NFL is trying to stand
    for the No Fun League, there are still some folks that make it seem
    like a game and that it should be fun. I think Glanville is one (as
    well as Buddy Ryan and Sam Wyche). Love um or hate um, they make the
    games more interesting. And isn't that why they play them?
    
    Dennis
    

    
    Atlanta gets the Olympic bid, the old fashioned way.....

    >ACCaught's tomfoolery
    
    Tomfoolery!?  Have we forgotten already that what ACCrook did was
    emotionally RAPE several dozen hapless contest entrants?  That kind
    of crime is serious and should hardly be equated to a_innocent college
    prank.  As for what *you* claim you have, you have nothing.  All you
    have is some alleged mail that you typed up in EDT to raise a little
    hail, and here you've proved unable to raise the slightest interest.
    
    >what he did was right
    
    Excuse me, but what he DID was engage in total unmitigated hypocrisy,
    and that ain't right.
    
    Jerry's a fine coach, and a refreshing non-phony in a business crammed
    with phonies.   The NFL attempts to run itself like a milirary garrison,
    and Glanville's a bit of a heelbeely boheme.  He don't fit in, no doubt
    the Thought Police @NFL-HQ would like to bring Tom Landry back to the
    League in Fulton County...
    
    MrT

    Dan'l, you are right for the most part, but I seem to remember that
    both Noll and Wyche were on the hot seat when they pulled their temper
    tantrums. A nice way to divert attention from yourself, if you ask me.
    
    Another factor to remember is that Glanville was the junior coach on
    the block. Noll is of course a legend :-), so if his teams lay dirty,
    so what ? Glanville flunked P.R., so anything he does turns to mud
    right ?
    
    And I agree with the noter that says the NFL is losingthe 'fun' factor.
    Every year, it's some B.S. rule : No celebrations in the endzones, WR's
    can only wear numbers in the 80's, all teams must keep their shirt
    tails tucked in, and wear teh same color shoes .... if I want that,
    I'll watch IBM ....

    
    
    	I take notice when I hear people say the Steeler's play(ed)
    dirty, and somehow Noll was behind it all.  I grew up in Western
    Pa. and I remember when Noll was hired.  I remember them drafting
    Joe Greene and the press saying, Joe who?  To my knowledge, Noll
    never TAUGHT dirty play.  He liked a team that could hit and one
    that was agressive.  To say that Noll teaches his teams to play
    dirty isn't true.  If that were the case, who are the dirty ball
    players Noll has coached over the last 5 years?  I would also suspect
    that the Steeler's would be reguarded as one of the dirtiest teams
    in the NFL, which it isn't.
    
    	In their prime, the Steeler's just happened to have possibly
    the best middle linebacker, the best outside linebacker, the best
    cornerback, and the best defensive lineman of that era.  All these
    players played rough-tough type football and any team would of been
    more than happy to have any one of those 4.  Out of those 4 who
    were Lambert, Ham, Blount and Greene, Greene was probably the dirtiest
    if you can call it dirty.  He didn't get the name "mean Joe" in
    college because of meekness, but I'd wouldn't put him in the class
    with Tatum or Atknison of the Raiders.  And Doc, he didn't hit that
    Bronco in the groin, he hit him in the stomach with an uppercut..
      
    	Saying that Ham was a dirty player is plain ignorant.  I defy
    anyone to give me one example where Jack Ham delivered a cheap shot.
    He was more of a finesse player than the intimidator.  Lambert was the
    intimidator at all of 200lbs.!  His claim to fame is that he hit you
    with everything he had on every play.  He stuffed the run and the pass
    as well as any middle linebacker has ever done.  Would you call Singletary
    dirty for the way he plays?  Granted, Lambert did slap that wimpy
    Harris guy from Dallas during SB X, but he did so with the majority
    of the nation cheering that "it was about time".  As for Blount,
    another really physical player, but Doc, it wasn't Blount who hit
    Anderson, I believe it was Glen Edwards.  No doubt, that was a cheap
    shot, but what team does not dish out a cheap shot now and then.
    Blount was from the old school that allowed bumping and hitting
    of the receiver so I dare say that that type of play can be called
    dirty.  But then again, it was those wimpy Cowboys who pushed for
    the rule change that disallowed the bump all because their boys
    were getting beat up by the terrible Steelers...
    
    	The main issue here is that Noll does not teach the cheap shot
    football that some others do.  If he did, it would be evident in
    the Steeler's play today.  Also, Noll never had any players that
    boasted about taking another player out the way Tatum, Atkinson,
    or Butkus did.  No Steeler ever talked about hurting an opponent.
    They simply played tough football and I dare say, most anyone would of
    liked to have a team with the likes of Ham, Lambert, Blount and Greene.
    
    	As for what Noll did to Glanville, I'm glad he did it.  Noll
    is an S.O.B., but he will protect his players.  Up to that point,
    the other coaches were reluctant to do anything about it.  Noll
    felt that he should do something about it, and he did.  If Glanville
    had practiced what he preached, he should of slapped Noll right there,
    but the truth is that Noll would of ripped his head off and crapped
    down his neck.  
    
    	One thing is for sure, it will be interesting come Nov. 4 when
    the dirty dozen come to three rivers.  Maybe Glanville will get
    some guts and face him, but knowing Glanville he will probably run
    and hide behind one of Elvis' body guards.

    
							bill..g.
    

    Dock, check out the dance show on MTV with that downtown lady if you
    want celebration dancing and shirt-tails hanging out.......  :-)
    
    Hawk

    Hard to believe you guys are arguing over "dirty" playing.
    
    There is no such thing as a "clean" football game.   Football players
    have been trying to knock each other's Johnson in the dirt since George
    Halas laced up his cleats.
    
    The Steelers were an immensely physical football team.  So are the
    modern 49ers.  So were the Packers, and the Raiders, and the Browns,
    and the Colts, and the Giants and the ...
    
    The Atlanta fans are seeing a coach who preaches a much different
    philosophy of defense.   Marion Campbell adores the "read and react"
    approach.   He loves the "bend but don't break" scheme.   Glanville
    loves the "attack defense".  Don't read anything, just attack the known
    weak points.   
    
    *BOTH* schemes rely on hitting the crap out of someone.   *ALL*
    defenses rely on hitting the crap out of someone.   Campbell's defense
    said "set it up, read it, react to it, hit the hell out of it".  
    Glanville says: "Aim here, hit the hell out of it."
    
    Just different approaches to the same violent ending.    And if you
    want "cleanliness" in your football, get a Nintendo.
    
    Bob Hunt

    So there ya have it.  When one a Glanville's guys comes in late on
    a hit it's a plot and he's to be held personally responsible.  But all
    the dirty cheap shots delivered under Chuck Knoll's tutelage over a 
    period of a decade don't apply cuz *his* cheap shot artists were stars
    of the old guard some of whom weighed only 200 lbs.  How much did Jack 
    Tatum weight in at, btw?
    
    PROOF that justice in the NFL is a matter of PR and not reality.
    
    Face up to it: All the flap over Jerry stems from the fact that his
    comporture doesn't fit the mould of a Lieutenant Colonel but instead
    strongly resembles that of a lower class heelbeely ex-assembly line
    worker who refuses to be cowed.
    
    MrT

    
    
    	No T, the problem with Glanville is that his teams are repeatedly
    flagged for the personals.  I have no problem with hard hitting
    football, but when the penalties follow the coach around, you gotta
    wonder.  I have no problem with the fact that Glanville is attempting
    to put life into a seemingly lifeless organization.  What I do have
    a problem with is a coach that tells his players to take cheap shots
    and then cries when someone sticks a finger in his chest.
    
    	As for the Lambert and Tatum comparison, I don't know what Tatum
    weighed when he played, but it was probably near 200lbs.  One thing
    I do know is that when Lambert was drafted by the Steeler's, he
    weighed 190 lbs.  The heaviest he ever weighed was 212 and Lambert
    even says he never weighed that much.  The whole point being that
    Tatum never played middlelinebacker.  Lambert played a position
    at a weight that was, and still is unheard of.   To take away from
    his ability to do so by saying that he was a dirty ballplayer is
    unfair.  I guess he made it to the Hall of Fame because he was a
    dirty player?  
    
    	Obviously T, you and I don't see eye to eye on the Glanville
    matter and I'm going to leave it at that.  Like I said, we'll see
    if Glanville has the guts when he visits Pittsburgh on Nov. 4th.
    
    								bill..g.

    I told you Bill, T is WardleVaning on Glanville. Don't let it get you.
    Lambert was a great one, but no saint. But that wasn't the point was
    trying to make. I just tend to think that a lot of this is overblown.
    Noll turned crybaby on one occasion, and a reputation is hard to shake
    once you get it, so now Glanville and his teams are stuck with it.
    
    FWIW, the NFL tends to be self-policing. If you play dirty, the other
    team tends to get even - real fast.
    
    If Noll had to resort to grandstanding, then his team wasn't taking
    care of business.
    
    Oh yeah, and I don't think Tatum was a dirty player either. And from
    what his contemporaries say, I'm not alone.

    
    Falcons' offensive penalities nip another one in the bud.  Shucks.
    Steve Broussard's knee was tested, and the injury isn't as serious as
    it initially seemed.  Glanville is hopeful that he'll be ready for New 
    Orleans Oct. 7.
    
    Steve

    The issue is settled now and forever I tellya Glanville is a GENIUS.
    
    Here he takes a rag-tag bunch a guys used to losing without apology
    and all of a sudden they take the Ultimate Team Ever to the wire.
    Innovation.  New ideas.  Motivation.  Coordination.  Technical
    virtuosity.  Jerry Glanville, master coach.
    
    MrT

    Mr T, sounds like Doc-baiting to me. :^)
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

    Does any one know the status of Broussard this week?
    
    thanks
    
    
    Dinz
    

>    Does any one know the status of Broussard this week?

Broussard is already working out.  He should be back in next week's (10/7) 
game.  This week's Bye will help the team tremendously (Broussard, Sanders, 
Demry among others).
    
Gilbert Reinfro, our 3rd string quarterback, jumped ship yesterday and signed
with Minnesota <sigh>.  Glanville really liked the guy -- very disappointed.

-Andy

    re .86
    
    No John, that isn't Doc-baiting ... T is just Master-baiting ... :-)

    re .88
    
    Andy, Renfroe had been cut by Atlanta FOUR times .... if Glanville
    calls that love.... besides, Miller is the starter in Atlanta,
    Minnesota is a much more open proposition ....

>    Andy, Renfroe had been cut by Atlanta FOUR times .... if Glanville
>    calls that love.... besides, Miller is the starter in Atlanta,
>    Minnesota is a much more open proposition ....

Unless I'm badly mistaken, Renfroe was put on waivers 3 times (not 4) and due 
to injuries to other members of the team.  It wasn't something they wanted to 
do but when somebody has to go (to bring someone in to replace an injury) it's
usually someone they know they won't be playing.  Heck, if they didn't want 
him, why do you think they kept signing him back?

Plans were to get him into their production team so, in the event Chris Miller 
was injured (and Scott Campbell brought in), he'd be available should they 
need him.  But they couldn't start the production team in time.

I can't blaim him for going -- I understand Minnesota made an attractive offer 
and it would certainly appear to be a more stable environment for the time 
being, but I don't think it was something anyone in the Atlanta camp wanted 
(including Renfroe).

One of the reasons Glanville was so disappointed was because there'd apparently
been an agreement between all parties that Renfroe wouldn't do anything while
visiting the Minnesota camp.  I assume the reasoning was so the Falcons would
have an opportunity deal with any offer Minnesota might make him though I 
could be entirely off base...

-Andy

    It's common for a team to put a player they like on waivers.  The
    Vikings put Leo Lewis on waivers, told him not to clean out his 
    locker, and were stunned when Cleveland picked him up.  They're
    trying to get him back now.
    
    As for Renfroe, word up here is that they tried out 3 QB prospects
    and that they cut the workout short cuz he was so much better than
    the others.  
    
    MrT

    Well then, let's here it for your idol-genius-lover Glanville eh ?

    Atlanta picked up Rozier off waivers after the Oilers released him. 
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

    
    Jerry Glanville rolled the dice, and all he came up with were 11's and
    7's.  4th and 2 ? Go for 45 ... Eat T, EAT !!!!  Next meal - San
    Francisco.
    

    >Well then, let's here [sic] it for your idol-genius-lover Glanville 
    >eh?
    
    Fine by me, although at this point I think that merely singling his
    praises would be entirely deficient.
    
    Jenius !!
    
    I tellya, I'm tempted to fly on down to Hartsfield and grab a cab out
    to the Falcons' facility and drop down to my knees and suck this main's
    toes haid-job style bouncing my haid up and down so fast that it'd be a
    blur boom boom up down up down boom boom bang bang bang cuz I'm not
    proud this man is a bona fide Jenius and he deserves some TLC for them
    toes some tongue washing some warm football fan luuu-u-uuv.
    
    Jerry's not only a fine man, he's a visionary, a_innovater, a winner.
    
    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, sad-sack stupe Jack Pardee - realizing 
    that this ain't Rice, except maybe for the superstar Jerry type - shows
    off the full panoramic breadth of his narrow brain pan by costing
    himself the game with a dumb ill-timed TO call.
    
    Key dastistick (tm): 
    
    	Self-described overrated pompous crybaby Worn Moon (tm) throws 33 
        times for a whopping 191 yards.
    
    The only thang good about this team is of Jerry's creation, the
    hard-hitting D.
    
    I bet that poor Worn (tm) and even Midnight secretly hanker for Jerry's
    return to the AstroDome.  Dream on, baby, Jenius has taken his magic to
    a team, a city, that ain't afraid to WIN.
    
    You think if I knob-bobbed the tips of his cowboy boots people would
    think poorly a me?
    
    MrT 

    
    Glanville's been working the team in the necessary spots in practice
    this week - tackling drills for the DBs, and a multitude of snaps for
    Jamie Dukes and Chris Miller.

    
    So the Falcons fall 10 points short on a day when Montana has the best
    day of his career with 475 yds and 6 TD passes.  This was a fun game to
    watch, one that should keep the pride alive in Atlanta despite the
    loss.  Hopefully, Chris Miller will be back soon.
    
    Steve

Montana was tough yesterday.  If we only could've got to him more.  If they
keep playing like they did yesterday, they'll no doubt go all the way again
this year.  'Course, alot had to do with our secondary not being what it
should be (no excuses -- Demry is almost 100% -- just no contest against
Rice et.al).  

Falcons hung tough.  Anytime you score 35 points on San Francisco you ain't
playing shabby ball.

Lotsa people have been questioning Glanville's 4th-down call on our 40 early
in the game.  Personally, I would have been -very- disappointed had he not
tried...

-Andy 

    
    I'm right with you Andy, no need to second guess Glanville in this one.
    Hate to say it, but I was a little disappointed with the receiver corps
    (Rison excluded of course) in the second half.  I've seen Floyd Dixon
    drop a few this season that were right in the numbers.
    
    Steve

    Where's MrT to talk about this so-called winner named Glanshill ?
    
    BTW, MrT(rendy), didya catch Worn's shelling of the Bengals ?
    
    HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!

    Dr. 00:00
    
    Didn't Houston also lose to SF?  To take it a step further Houston has
    more talent than the Falcons and still lost at home.  Atlanta is 2-3
    years away from being a power in the NFC West. 
    
    If Houston doesn't make it to the SB soon Worn Moon (tm) and Drew Hill
    will be collecting Social Security.  What a bunch of underachievers!!!!
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.
    
    P.S.  And yes, the Cowboys are also several years away from challenging
    the better teams.

    
     How many losses before Jerry loses his genius title ? And wasn't
    Rod Rust once called a 'Defensive Genius' ? Neither one of those
    two clowns is going to make anyone forget Lombardi. Now Art Shell
    there's a coach.

    Hey, explain this Staggerlee stuff.  I know of at least two songs with
    this character in it but could never figure out if there was a
    connection.
    
    Thanks.
    
    	--dan'l

    Stagger Lee is the name of an imfamous formation and play that the
    so-called genius used 3 years ago against Denver in the second round of
    the playoffs.
    
    The Oilers were backed up to their own three yard line early in the
    ball game, and they lined up like so :
    
    
    O O             O O O O O               O       
                             O
              
       O              O  
     rozier          moon
    
    Moon gets the snap, and throws a long lateral to Rozier, who drops it
    (Rozier had average hands at best). The Donks recovered on the 2, and
    went in a play later. The Oilers never recovered.
    
    Glanville got hammered by the Houston media for making such a
    boneheaded call so deep in his own territory in a playoff game - and in
    the first quarter.
    
    Stagger Lee is a play that will forever live in Oiler infamy.
    
    DrM

    
    I remember the Stagger Lee play like it was yesterday.  The night was
    clear, and the Moon was yellow, and the leaves came tumbling down...
    
    
    Dickster
    

    Stagger Lee is also an old blues tune that has had it's lyrics changes
    as many times as it has been sung.  The Dead do a version of it on
    Terrepin Station.  The Clash do a version of it on London Calling. 
    That's just a small representation of the number of times it's been
    recorded.  You can hear probably weekly on some radio blues show.
    
    Dan

    Thanks, Dan.  That's the answer I was looking for.  I think Guthrie did
    it way back when.  One of my favorite bar bands down this way does a
    version of it that is by far the best I've ever heard.  
    
    I just couldn't figure out if all these covers and lyric changes were
    related to the same original song and or legend.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    Is it on Terrapin, Dan?  I thought it was on the one before with covers
    like El Paso and other stuff that I can't remember the name of anymore 
    (no burnt-out Dead jokes, please-- I only enjoyed the music).
    
    glenn
    

    I had second thoughts myself Glenn, since I don't have Terrapin on CD,
    so I haven't heard it in years.  Now that I think better of it, it was
    on the one produced by Lowell George with Dancin' in the Streets and I
    Need a Miracle (The real ND fight song); no El Paso  (Europe, 72).  The
    name is escaping me, but it has the dancing shadow on a busy cover with
    a light blue border...must be the terminal burn out factor on the old
    synapses... 
    
    And Glenn, never apologize for good taste...
    
    Dan

    As usual Dan has it wrong.  The Clash does a song called "Wrong 'em
    Boy'o" where the term Stagger Lee is mentioned in the opening line.
    
    Dan, stick to topics you have knowledge of, like kilts.
    
    Mark.

    Mark is of course, correct. 
    
    JD

Lufay!  Where you been hidin' out?   Bag any ducks lately?
And what would Dan know about a kilt? (nothing personal Dan)

Enquiring minds deen to wonk,
'Saw

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>Lufay!  Where you been hidin' out?   Bag any ducks lately?
>And what would Dan know about a kilt? (nothing personal Dan)
    
    Been trying to keep the purse strings intact for the last few months up
    here in APO.
    
    Regarding ducks, I'll see ya in the Hunting Note.
    
    Mark.

    >Yeah, I thought so.  "London Calling" is on my Walkman's permanent Top
    >10 list and I *know* there's no song called "Stagger Lee" on that
    >album.
    
    I never meant to imply that the called the song Stagger Lee, but the
    preample to Wrong 'Em Boyo definitely is their version of Stagger Lee,
    with the usual twisted lyrics.
    
    Mark, you're a nimrod.
    
    Dan

    
    While we're Dan bashing, the album I was thinking of was *not* Europe
    '72 as El Paso is not on it.  Europe '72 is one of the couple of Dead
    albums I do have...
    
    glenn
    

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>    I never meant to imply that the called the song Stagger Lee, but the
>    preample to Wrong 'Em Boyo definitely is their version of Stagger Lee,
>    with the usual twisted lyrics.
    
    Yeah, one would have never gathered from the your original reply that
    you implied the Clash did "Stagger Lee".
    
    You're welcome.  :^)
    
    Back to the topic, why isn't Broussard being used inside the 10?
    
    Mark.
    
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    Stagger Lee is also an old blues tune that has had it's lyrics changes
    as many times as it has been sung.  The Dead do a version of it on
    Terrepin Station.  The Clash do a version of it on London Calling. 
    That's just a small representation of the number of times it's been
    recorded.  You can hear probably weekly on some radio blues show.
    
    Dan
    

    Lufay-
    
    You own Broussard in Rotis?  I do - after scoring a TD each of the
    firsted too weaks, he's been invisible down in paydirt terry-tori.
    
    WHY??  Can some Grits fans enlighten us??
    
    JD

    Sarge, yeah, I own Broussard.  I've been sorely disappointed in
    Glanville's relucntance to give 'em the ball inside the 10.  Last year
    I had Stephens, and every time the Pats would get inside the 10, Berry
    would send in Perryman.
    
    Go figure.
    
    BTW, Dan, is your new p-name from that song by X?
    
    Mark.

    >BTW, Dan, is your new p-name from that song by X?
    
    Yup.
    
    Dan

    "It was better before, before they voted for whats-his-name.
     This is supposed to be the new world."
    
    Regarding the Falcons, did the locals expect them to make the playoffs
    in the NFC West?  Seems LA's (hi Jesse) dismal performance has left the
    door wide open for Atlanta and/or the S'Ain'ts (tm pending) to make a
    move.
    
    Mark.

    Broussard isn't scoring because Mark owns him.  Nuff said. He'll
    waive him, I'll pick him up and he'll score 10 td's by the end of the
    year....
    
    
    Yeah I know Mark...
    
    Do me...

Hey PAL, 

Atlanta's always playing catch-up, so thei're forced to throw.

How can you run when you're down 20 pts all the time?

HTH.
daryll

    
    Big win for the Falcons last night.  I only remember 1 penalty, and
    that was offset by a personal foul on the other side of the line...and
    NO turnovers.  For all you FF people wondering about where Broussard
    has been, well he's alive and well...broke about 4 tackles on one play
    to run it 50 yards in for the score.  But it looks like Mike Rozier is
    the man for the nth and goal running plays...
    
    Chris Miller's numbers were pretty impressive - something like 14 for
    17 and 150 yards, 2 TDs and no INTs.  Deion ran back a punt for an
    electrifying 80 yards and a score, and Charles Dimry got some
    confidence back with some good defensive plays, including an INT near
    the Cincinnati goal line.  Now if we can just win a few on the road.
    
    Steve

    Neon Peeon started hotdogging that punt return on the 40 yard line! 
    That's just a bit much in my book.  The high stepping is OK if he can
    maintain his speed, but to hold the ball out like that is just asking
    for trouble.  One of these days he's going to get caught and fumble. 
    That just might happen next week.  Woodson can run him down in a
    situation like that.
    
    Heard this morning that after the return the Bengals were saying to
    him, "Real nice Deon.  Now why don't you hit somebody on defense." 
    They were referring to his lack of intensity of D where he apparently
    will not make a big hit because he's afraid of injury.
    
    	--dan'l

    I am constantly amazed that Deion Sanders is still alive and walking. 
    He is the ultimate in a clock desperately begging to be cleaned.
    
    Bob Hunt

    I'll say something - that Atlanta defense, except for the ex-Yankee,
    sure does HIT!!!!!!!!    I was glad Glanville's boy sput a licking
    on Sam's bunch..
    
    JD

    Neon does more harm than he does good!!! His "D" is a bit better than
    suckey and IMO he cost them the game against San Fran in Atlanta, why
    didn't he just tackle the guy instead of trying to hang on to his shirt
    tail??? Sorry, but I hate the guy!!!!!!  He will never compare to Bo
    Jackson who is an instant threat when added to any team, where as Neon
    you can overlook him somewhat if you have a good special-team that
    don't miss alot of tackles. 
    
                                            M.J.

    
    Re: -.1
    
    I've never believed you can accurately fault a single player for a
    loss.  But even so most in Atlanta, notably the press,  chose to fault
    Charles Dimry with the loss to the Niners.  Trouble is, Atlanta's
    blitzing scheme was ineffective, and Montana was able to hit Jerry Rice
    consistently on short crossing patterns.  So while the "team defense"
    watched the points pile up, Dimry got to be the goat (as if anybody
    else should have had an easy time covering Rice).  In the meantime, Sanders
    was sticking fairly close to John Taylor all afternoon.  So, I
    appreciate your assertion that it wasn't Dimry's fault after all.
    
    :>)

    True, you got to pretty crazy to think you can cover Rice man on man!!
    Dimry got burned numerous times, but anybody man to man on Rice is
    going to get burned and burned bad as was the case. Plus with Montana
    at QB and the other targets San Fran has got, it is hard to stop them
    guys. All in all Atlanta did good against them IMO, but Neon don't want
    to get dirty and tackle somone, he either tries to knock them down or
    out of bounds, or tries to pull them down by their jersey. Just a few
    times have I saw him actually "HIT" someone. But, then again, I don't
    watch all that closely. :-)
    
                                           M.J.

    
    I hate to bust bubbles for a guy who doesn't have the greatest
    personality in the world but Deon is definitely a talent.  I was at the
    S.F. game and watched a deliberate action.  When Taylor and Rice or
    Sherrard and Rice were on the same side of the field with Dimry and
    Deon the receivers would which to make sure Rice was on Dimry.  S.F.
    did throw at Deon a few times but he was in the receivers jocks.  He
    can't tackle work a dime but he doesn't let his man catch the ball very
    often.  Notice also that he is usually running down somebody elses make
    to try to drag down by the jersey.
    
    As for showboating it doesn't make him any better a player but it
    excites the fans in one way or another.  I makes for love him or hate
    him but people come to see him and thats good for the team.
    
    Roy L. (Steeler Fan in Falcon land)

    After the Falcons' previous years, I can see why Atlantans would get
    excited seeing Deon in anyone's jock strap.
    
    	--dan'l

    How many tds does Floyd Dixon have this year?
    

    Floyd Dixon is a graduate of Stephen F. Austin, my alma mater.  What is
    ironic is that he was not our best receiver at the time but has turned
    into a good NFL receiver.  Being from a small school we tend to take
    pride in the one or two players who make it in the pros.  Mark Mosely
    was also from SFA.
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

    
    Marcus Cotton waived by the falcons and picked up by the cleveland browns. 
    It appeared to be a matter of rules, regulations and personality
    conflict with Glanville.  Aundry Bruce figures he's gone by seasons
    start next year.  
    
    Cotton hadn't played very bad but I guess the personal conduct could
    have used an adjustment or two.  He has had reportedly 13 fines since
    training camp.  With Cleveland current standing they can use him.
    
    Roy L.  

    
    As soon as I saw Cotton waived in the paper yesterday, I guessed there
    would be a very good chance the Browns would pick him up.  I think it
    was a good move.  What do they have to lose?

    Good move by Cleveland.  Cotton is strong and very athletic.  Glanville
    is putting personality before pride.  
    
    I predict Marcus will play a very inspired game when Jerry and the
    Dodos visit Cleveland on December 16.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    7 other teams claimed Cotton... Cleveland won a coin toss with the
    Cardinals to claim him... GOOD MOVE!
    

Weren't both Cotton and Bruce high draft choices? I thought they were both
supposed to be high impact players in the LT mold? 

Do they both have Irving Fryar disease or is Glanville really putting 
personality over performance by that much?

Inquiring minds request info,

 Metz

>    < Note 352.144 by ROCK::GRONOWSKI "the dream is always the same..." >
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>    
>    7 other teams claimed Cotton... Cleveland won a coin toss with the
>    Cardinals to claim him... GOOD MOVE!

    Suprizing, that's all the Browns will win from here on out this
    season.
        

    Cotton was their #2 draft choice in 1988 from Southern Cal.  Bruce was
    drafted #1 out of Auburn that same year.
    
    John

    
    re: .146
    
    What's really surprising is...
    
    That you don't get fired for VIOLATING DEC policy by noting from
    an anonymous account.  (attention moderators).
     
    What's not surprising is...
    
    Is that you don't want anyone to know who you are... shows just
    what kind of person you are...  "I speak my mind freely, when
    nobody knows who I am..."

    Anonymous - PTOECA::  located in that fabulous city of Pittsburg.
      

    I'm pretty sure Cotton was drafted in the 3rd round 2 years ago.  Bruce
    was the 1st pick in the whole draft, which makes a comparison to Fryar
    more apt.  I thought Cotton would be a good NFL linebacker, as he had
    an excellent career at Southern Cal.  Certainly wouldn't have minded
    seeing the Jets pick him up.
    
    Dan

    Unless the NFL Guide is wrong, he was picked in the 2nd round.  Their
    3rd round pick was Alex Higdon, TE from Ohio State, who's no longer on
    the team.
    
    John

FWIW, Cotton was released because he hadn't been producing.  In fact, 
he hadn't had a sack this year with the Falcons.  'Course, an attitude 
(regardless of whose) could have attributed to this as well...

-Andy

   Cotton was a 2nd rnd pick in 1988. He missed 1/3 of the season last
   year due to injury and he still had 9 sacks for the season. Maybe he
   was a problem, but on a team like the Falcons who are rebuilding I
   don't understand why they don't wait until the end of the season and
   trade him for a conditional pick. I think they could have gotten a 4th
   round conditional pick for him easy. Hes young, big, fast and worth
   gamble. Seems like alot of team where lining up to get him off the 
   waiver wire.

   Same for New England, why was Rob Perryman released for nothing, this
   year and Eason last year?
 
Chuck

   >Same for New England, why was Rob Perryman released for nothing, this
   >year and Eason last year?
    
    I defer to the second round...
    
    My best guess is that Cotton was released to satisfy Glanville, to help
    him when he has to encourage (or scare) his team to perform.  I think
    the Patriots released their players to save money.
    
    Dan

    re .143
    
    Nothing unusual there Dan'l, Glanville will often run a good player off
    that he doesn't care for personally. I saw it in Houston : Butch
    Woolfolk, Jamie Williams, Spencer Tillman ... if Moon wasn't so good,
    Glanville would have been taking shots at him too ....

    Where's Perryman playing now?  Eason is a backup to K-k-k-kenny.  They
    supposedly didn't get any offers after shopping him around - but then
    again everyone in the league knew he would be available from the waiver
    wire.

    Hey, I was just wondering about ol' Butch Wolfolk the other day.  Is he
    still in the NFL?  Didn't he come out the same year as Marcus Allen?
    
    	--dan'l

    Butch was traded to the Oilers from the Giants back in 85. He led all
    AFC RB's in catches his first year in HOuston, then caught another
    45-50 balls the year after that. When Hugh Cambell was fired, Glanville
    zeroed in on Woolfolk. He was traded to the Lions (in really
    chickens*it fashion by Glanville and the front office), and he got
    injured there. I believe that 87 was his last year.
    
    Since then, he writes a sports collum in Houston, and does some TV
    broadcasting. And I read one of his collums last year in Houston and
    was impressed.