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134.1 | also...who else? | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Jan 29 1990 11:52 | 3 |
| Also in (not a complete list, just from my memory): Tom Landry, Franco
Harris.
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134.2 | TOUGH GUY!!! | FROSTY::CONNOR | | Mon Jan 29 1990 11:55 | 3 |
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DON'T FORGET TOUGH GUY JACK LAMBERT OF THE STEEL CURTAIN
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134.3 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Bradshaw knows Elway | Mon Jan 29 1990 12:18 | 10 |
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Still no Al Davis, what a shame. Landry makes it first time around and
ole AL die to mass predjuice s still on the outside looking in....
others were Buck Buchanan and Bob StClair(I think he was a lineman for
the niners in the early sixties and was voted in by oldtimers)...
and Ted Hendricks...
mike
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134.4 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Jan 29 1990 12:25 | 3 |
| Is there a limit on how many an get voted in in one year?
Charles
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134.5 | Limit 7? | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Jan 29 1990 12:35 | 3 |
134.6 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Bradshaw knows Elway | Mon Jan 29 1990 13:13 | 12 |
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correct Mac 7 is the limit and here's a recap for all
Franco Harris and Jack Lambert from Pitt
Buck Buchanan Kansas City Chiefs
Bob Griese Miami
Ted Hendricks Raiders/Colts
Bob St Clair O-Lineman for the Niners picked by old timers (pretty sure
it St Clair)
Tom Landry Senility U. ;^)
mike
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134.7 | The NFL's Curt Flood | EARRTH::BROOKS | Remember the Massachusetts 54th ! | Mon Jan 29 1990 14:56 | 4 |
| John Mackey, the greatest TE ever to play the game (pre-Winslow)
was jobbed again by the voters.
A damned shame .....
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134.8 | Is there life beyond the Super Bowl? | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Jan 29 1990 15:09 | 19 |
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Glad to hear a good word about Mackey, DrM. He was one of my
favorites.
The NFL Hall of Fame has some strange criteria. More so than baseball,
it seems that the "Fame" part of it plays a huge role. Mackey's out,
Ditka's in. Guys who were fortunate enough to play on great teams
really get a boost. I don't want to single any one player out, but I
don't think Bob Griese was a Hall-of-Famer. I think John Brodie was
better from the list of qualifiers. Griese was the leader of some great
teams, yes, but not a *great* quarterback. Under these criteria, the
Hall of Fame will soon be filled with modern-age quarterbacks and
running backs sporting gaudy statistics and boasting Super Bowl heroics,
while some great players from lesser teams go unnoticed.
Wonder what's happening to Elway's stock...
glenn
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134.9 | | SASE::SZABO | | Mon Jan 29 1990 15:41 | 12 |
| Glenn, IMHO, whatever happens to Elway's stock is his own doing.....
Argue all you want about it's a team loss and all that, but if Elway's
the "great" quarterback that we hear about, then let him show us that!
He's been in the big one 3 times now, and he's gotten worse each time.
And, I'm not bashing the guy, just telling you what I see (or haven't
seen).
Quote in today's paper from Michael Brooks, Broncos linebacker: "We did
not take charge. That's what a quarterback's supposed to do." I agree
100%.
Hawk
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134.10 | Football is a TEAM game | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Jan 29 1990 15:56 | 11 |
134.11 | Landry | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Jan 29 1990 16:00 | 5 |
| Being a Texas newspaper, the article on the HoF inductees naturally
centered on Landry. In it he was credited with bringing many things to
the Pro game. One of them was the 4-3 and flex defenses. These were
supposedly designed to shut down the "daylight" that Lombardi coached
his offenses to run to.
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134.12 | HOF INJUSTICE... | QUASER::MCALPINE | I'LL B SURE | Mon Jan 29 1990 16:02 | 11 |
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As a youngster I watched John Mackey play tight-end and
that was my position in high-school and junior college.
Although Mike Ditka was a good tight-end he should not
have been voted into the Hall of fame before Mackey.
There were many a kid around the block who emulated
big John after catching a short pass and trying to bowl over
their buddies. (smile)
What exactly is the bad rap on John Mackey?
Mike
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134.13 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Jan 29 1990 16:03 | 18 |
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Don't get me wrong. Unlike Tarkenton, I don't think Elway's deserving
of the HoF based on what he's done in regular season play. We never
hear about his performances per se, but about the "intangibles", i.e.
doing what it takes to win. These Super Bowl appearances, especially
this past one, have been nothing but tangible, tangibly pathetic, in my
eyes. In my opinion, anyone who has ever put on the Bronco uniform
behind Elway ought to be flat-out insulted by the insinuations that the
Broncos are nowhere without him, which is what the media would have us
believe. Hell, Craig Morton, another two-time Super Bowl underachiever,
did as much as Elway to get his teams (including the Broncs) to the Big
One, versus much stiffer competition.
Still doesn't change my argument that "ink" = "Hall of Fame".
glenn
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134.14 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Remember the Massachusetts 54th ! | Mon Jan 29 1990 18:21 | 33 |
| re .12
John Mackey challanged the NFL's reserve clause in court, much like
Curt Flood. In fact, he won, and the NFL came up with the "John
Mackey Rule" (?).
However, the players union did not follow up on his triumph, and
hence the NFL does not have baseball's level of free agency.
I'm pretty certain that the NFL establishment (a pretty conservative,
right-wing bunch) is behind this shafting of Mackey.
I wish that some sports commentators would bring this matter to
the public's attention. I saw Mackey plead his case on HBO's This
Week In The NFL, and Dawson and Buonoconti did nothing more than
mutter some cliches and go on to the next topic. Wimps ....
re Griese,
Glen, I agree thoroughly. Bob Griese is a good QB on a great team.
No better than Archie Manning, IMO, but how many of you want to
bet that he'll be in the HoF ?
Griese should not be in the HoF.
As for Elway, if he wins a SB, he could sit on his behind the rest
of his career and make the HOF. Kinda like Joe Namath.
BTW, one of the inductees is Bob St. Clair of the 49ers. A 6'9"
offensive tackle, he once blocked *10* kicks (FG's & PATS) in one
year. Phenominal ....
the Doctor
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134.15 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | McComrade | Thu Feb 01 1990 08:06 | 5 |
| John Mackey belonged. I watched him play and think he's better
than Winslow. Remember that in San Diego's offensive scheme, receivers
saw the ball a lot more than they did on the Colts.
/Don
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134.16 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | Wimp football rules! | Tue Feb 06 1990 21:46 | 6 |
| Re Mackey:
Another problem Mackey ahs with getting in is that there are very
few TE's in the HoF. I believe Ditka was the first.
Bruce
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134.17 | | LUNER::BROOKS | DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS | Wed Feb 07 1990 13:27 | 5 |
| Maybe Bruce, but Mackey was voted the Greatest TE in NFL History.
There is no way that Ditka should have been in there ahead of Mackey.
Plain and simple, it's petty, vindictive politics that is keeping
Mackey out.
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134.18 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Wed Feb 07 1990 14:34 | 3 |
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Hey Dr,
Maybe they could open a John Mackey/Al Davis wing.
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