Conference 7.286::sports_90

    	go JOE go JOE go JOE!!!

    where's he going........maybe new england
    

    
    hmmm.. i can tell that s.f. is pretty much an indifferent team in
    this conference!
    
    	San Francisco (14-2)
    
    W	20	at Indianapolis 24
    W	20	at Tampa Bay	16
    W	38	at Philadelphia 28
    L	12	LA Rams		13
    W	24	at New Orleans	20
    W	31	at Dallas	14
    W	37	New England	20
    W	23	at NY Jets	10
    W	31	New Orleans	13
    W	45	Atlanta		3
    L	17	Green Bay	21
    W	34	NY Giants	24
    W	23	at Atlanta	10
    W	30	at LA Rams	27
    W	21	Buffalo		10
    W	26	Chicago		0

    RE .3
    
    >  W  20     at Indianapolis 24
    
    How can San Fran win when they have 20 and Indy has 24?
    
    :-)
    

    
    	'cause that's how good they are!!! :)

      
    SF is not an indifferent team in here, it's just that the team's fans 
    aren't nutzo.
          
    SF is thinking about activating former Dallas WR Mike Sherrard for
    the playoffs.  It might be a wise move, as they only have 3 WR on
    their roster, Mike Wilson being the 3rd.  Fletcher has been the
    4th wideout when they've needed to go with 4.  
    
    They may also reactivate Michael Carter for the NFC Championship
    game.
    
    Bruce  
    
    

    re .3, .4:
    
    The game against the Colts was SF 30, Indianapolis 24.
    
    
    py

Everybody knows that the 49ers just got lucky against the Jets.  I guarantee
that next year, the 49ers will NOT beat the Jets.

Dan

    re: .8
    i didn't know pat riley had a vax account!
         
    sean

    
    Welcome back Dan.  Where ya been?

    Re: .8
    
    The 49ers don't play the Jets next year.
    
    John

    In reply to Bruce.  I am a fan of the 9ers but do not live and die
    by what they do.  I do think they are playing good football right now,
    but they have room to improve.  The NFC playoffs are gonna be a
    dogfight.  The 9ers are no shoe-in as every playoff team is a
    contender.  Now the AFC... well lets just say 40% of the playoff teams
    lost last week.  
    
    Can you imagine how many notes will be entered in 1 week if Denver and
    Cleveland play each other again??? 

    Re:  .8  JH
    
    Boy, the Niners must feel LUCKY!!  :*O
    
    
    Spud

>    The 49ers don't play the Jets next year.

You see!  They're chicken!!  27 teams next year will change their
motto to "Scared to play the Jets".  

Dan

    I was just wondering what the news was out of San Francisco prior
    to the play-off game on saturday.  The Vikings are a talented
    team with lots of weapons.  What seems to be the outlook of the
    49ers?  I hope they take this game seriously.  Out here in
    donko land there is not much news on 49ers.
    
    Frank "9er"  Mendez
    

    Get real Frank I have the USA Today on my desk every day and today's
    cover is all about Joe(MVP)Montana. The news from the bay is typical
    NFL city news on how hard we are working to prepare against our
    formidable foe. 
    
    Except in Cleveland where they are completely overlooking the Bills but
    thats anohter note.
    
    Jeff

    .16-  Jeff not even YOU a donko fan can believe that the USA today has
    all the news on a given team and their respective outlook.  All I
    wanted was for SOMEONE in the Bay area to perhaps fill us non resident
    9er fans in on some news concerning the upcoming playoff game. 
    By the way Jeff is Denver going to pick their own refs for the game?
    If so then maybe we can re-name their play-off game to a pay-off game.
    smile doo-dad goes here.
    
    Frank 9er
    

    Frank,
    
    Keep your eye on #81 in purple & white Saturday.  He's going to
    do it up big - as he did two years ago.
    
    
    Spud                                   

    Frank, you're just mad at Jeff because he won't read the paper to you.
    
    Have some more Tortillas and Beans.
    
    JoJ

    Spud,
    
    I know what you mean.  A.C. has lit the niner secondary up before.
    The thing that scares me is whether the 9ers defense learned anything
    on guarding Carter.  Two years ago the 9ers just could not get it out
    of their heads that Carter needed double teaming.  The problem this
    year could be Hassahn Jones.  I am hoping for Schnelker to forget
    about which star to use saturday.  This game is more evenly matched
    then people think.  The Vikings are extremely talented and the playoffs
    are a new season...
    
    Yo Jimbo
    
    Are you still pouting about losing lunch in the pool note...hahahahaha
    I think Jerry should hold out for a bigger bone or a bigger poodle,
    either of which he should have a clause that YOU leave both of them
    alone!!!!hahahahaha
    
    And while I'm at it maybe the Jests can hire Mr. Polyester from Houston.
    Boy that wouldn't that be a match...A lousy coach with lousier talent..
    smile doo-dad goes somehwere in this note
    
    Frank 9er

    	This game (Vikings vs. 49ers) I wouldn't touch with a ten foot
    pole.  For fun I would pick the 9ers and give the 7, but I wouldn't
    bet this game if my life depended on it.  I have a hunch it'll be
    low scoring.
    
    				/Don

    re: .18, .20
    
         In the '87 Minn-SF playoff game, AC burned the 49ers for well'
    over 200 receiving yards and caused the '9ers great heartache in a 
    34-21 Viking win.
    
         In the '88 rematch, it was Jerry Rice that was causing the 
    heartache in the 34-9(??) 49er win.
    
         Point is that both Jerry Rice and Anthony Carter are great 
    receivers who are gamebreakers and they've both had brilliant 
    performances in past playoff appearances against one another's teams.
    How the 9ers handle Carter and how the Vikings handle Rice will 
    play a big part in determining which team wins.  I look
    for Rice to have a better day simply because the 49ers have done
    an excellent job of getting him the ball all season long, even 
    with double coverage most of the time.  To the Vikings credit,
    it seems that they've been looking to get the ball to AC more
    more as the season has progressed.
    
         This should be a great game to watch.  I think the 9ers will
    win, but I wouldn't bet on it either, no matter what the spread.
    
                                            Glen J.  
                
                                                                    

                       John Taylor.
    
    
    
    It is to bad he is overlooked so much on Tv and by the fans. I take
    nothing away from Rice and AC but Taylor deserves to be mentioned.
    Is he still injured?

    re: .23
    
         I didn't know that he was hurt.  
    
         Any team that neglects to pay attention to Taylor should go and
    talk to the LA Rams DB's.  I'm sure they remember him real well.
    
         With all due respect to Taylor, Jerry Rice is the receiver that
    opposing defenses try to stop.  This year, try is all that they've
    done.
    
                                           Glen J.
    
    p.s. - If it weren't for J. Taylor, my FFL team probably would have 
           finished 2-11 or something, instead of 7-6.  I had Montana
           as one of my QB's so he proved to be quite an asset.  :-)

    Not surprisingly, the Niners absolutely killed the Vikings today.
    It's hard to belive that Montana looks better every game, but he
    keeps getting better! Credit the offensive line with give Joe just
    enough time to get rid of the ball.

    Minnesota is in sad need of a quarterback; I couldn't believe
    Burns waited until half-time to pull Wilson...it was obvious the
    Niners had his number.  Also looks like the Walker trade didn't
    buy the Vikes a spot in the Super Bowl.  They're going to have to
    redesign their entire offense in order to give Walker a chance to
    contribute though.

    Dale

    
    	Niners vs. Rams.. Looks like the superbowl comes two weeks early
    this season.  
    
    sean

    Can the Niners get any better than this ???
    
    If so, man, this season is over.  It probably already is.
    
    They can and do domimate every phase of the game.  So much for missing
    Bill Walsh.  When asked if he could find room for improvement, Siefert
    had to think twice before remembering two missed kicks by Cofer.
    
    Bob Hunt

    	The niners really surprised me with the crush against the vikings.
    I envisioned a close game, but it turned out to be just a re-run
    of last seasons first playoff game.
    	The only team from day 1 that has worried me about the niners
    not winning the SB again has been the Rams.  With a 13-12 loss at
    home with a last minute Rams FG and a barely come from behind 30-27
    win in LA, this game will prove who is the best in the NFL.  The
    Rams really want S.F. after that unbelievable loss... this game
    is going to be war.
    
    	sf_sean

    re Glen, the score of the 87playoff game was 36-24.
    
    
    	The Niners did some big-time stomping this weekend. I still think
    the Rams can take 'em 'tho. I agree with .28, the SB is coming 2 weeks
    early. I'm gonna go nuts waiting for this one.

    	If the Rams defense plays like they did against the Giants the
    49ers will have a laugher.
    
    				/Don

    Re:.-1
    I'm afraid so....:(

    Well the 9ers played a great game offensively.  I still believe that
    their defense is suspect.  The offense looks like a machine that can
    either kill you with big plays or tortue you with the long sustained
    drive.  I still believe that defense wins championships and the
    9ers better put pressure on Everett.  I know that Bruce May got alot
    of grief in another note for questioning John Robinson of the Rams
    but HE is the weak point of the Rams. 
    
    For what its worth, in the last 3 years the 9ers have played the Vikings
    as many times as the Rams.  I don't think familiarity will play that
    big a part in next weeks game.  The team that executes better wins.  I
    hope that the 9ers EXECUTE the Rams next week!!!
    
    Frank 9er
    

>    For what its worth, in the last 3 years the 9ers have played the Vikings
>    as many times as the Rams.  I don't think familiarity will play that
>    big a part in next weeks game.  The team that executes better wins.  I
    
    Huh?  The 49ers played the Vikings last three years in the playoffs.  I
    do not recall if they met in the regular season in the last three
    years, (not this year) but the most they could have met in one season
    is just one game since they are in different divisions. 
    
    The Rams play the 49ers twice each season, so that is 6 times in the
    last three years.  That has to be more than the number of games between
    the 49ers and the Vikings.  Plus the Rams defeated the 49ers in an
    exhibition (not that it means anything :) in Tokyo this preseason.
    So that's at least 7 times.
    
    Charles    

    
    The Niners offense looks as dominate as the Bears defense did in 85...
    I think the old axiom of defense wins championship will not bear
    fruit this year. If the Rams are to win it's going to have to be a
    high scoring affair in the thirties. If they think they can win by
    scoring 20 or so points they're nuts.....
    
    mike

    	Mike, don't underestimate the 49ers defense.  It's one of the
    best in the league.  They don't have the glamour stars their offense
    does, with the exception of Lott, but it's a group that gets the
    job done.
    
    				/Don

    
    I'm not Don that's why I'm saying the Rams can't win a close one like
    yesterday, against the Niners. Montana is no Phil Simms and that will
    be difference in a close one.....
    
    I guess Don what I'm saying is what alot of people are saying screw the
    facts that the Rams have split with them the last two years, the Niners
    are going to win Period!!!!!!!1
    
    mike

    Rams can't win a close one like yesterday's against the 49ers.  How
    about the 13-12 win early in the season?  You can give me a lot of
    excuses :)
    
    The 49ers are obviously the better team, that I must agree.
    
    Charles

    .33  Charles what I was trying to say is that the vikings and 9ers
    have played eachother as much as the rams and the 9ers.  I did miss
    one calculation and that was this year.  In the past three years,
    I believe that the 9ers and vikes have played eachother 5 times
    including playoffs.  The rams and 9ers have played eachother
    6 times excluding the relatively unimportant pre-season.  That is
    why I believe Familiarity will NOT be as big an issue as execution
    of game plan.
    
    Frank 9er
    

    The Rams will win. Gotta believe in my team. The Ram "O" can match the
    '9ers in a high scoring affair. I believe the "D" will come up with
    some great plays in crucial times. You guys are acting like we oughta
    mail the '9ers the trophy now. We'll see Sunday.
    
    
    the devil dog

    Re:.38
    I checked and yes the Vikings did play the 49ers last season in the
    regular season.  So they would have played the 49ers 4 times if they
    had not play the Vikings in regular season in 87.  If they did meet in
    regular season that year that would make it 5 times in the last three.
    Preseason games are rightfully unimportant.  But I still think being in
    the same division the players are closer.  Of course, I cannot say that
    familiarity is a huge factor, but one cannot deny that all in all these
    teams know the other really well.  
    
    Charles

FYI,

The regular game last season was a 49er win featuring the Steve 
Young 60 yrd scramble for a TD.

Who could forget :^

daryll

    
    	...certainly not me!!! what a performance!!!!!!!  i just hope
    young is ready for the call in case the unmentionable happens to
    montana.  young is probably the best backup qb in the league.
    
    sf_sean

    
    Young also led the niners in the playoff win last year.  Read that
    in the paper Sat., I had forgotten that.  
    
    Bruce

There is only one team in the league that has a shot at beating the
49ers, and that's the RAMS.  Both teams have great speed on offense,
and both teams have a swarming defense.  Montana is the best there is,
but he can be hassled real well by this Rams defense.  Cunningham was
ineffective and so was Sims.   

I hope its a good, close game, dictated by the defenses.  The Rams have
a better chance at winning if the offensive line can wear down the 49er
defense in the 4th quarter. 

49er fans claim that the 13-12 loss to the Rams was because Lott was out
and Siefert was experimenting with the offensive line.  Perhaps.  Lott played
and the offensive line was pretty stable when the Rams manhandled them
in Anaheim (and would have won, if it weren't for those 4th quarter
fumbles).  Yeah, Montana had a great game statistically, but take away
those two Taylor runs (s**t tackling), and Montana was stopped.

Are the Rams exhausted?  Yep.  Can they rise to the occasion?  Dunno.
The fans will have a field day...the media already are.

Say, lets really put something on the line, like water rights for the state.

AAA

    
    	Actually, the Rams defense is going to have to wear down the
    SF offense in the 4th quarter or else this game could be history.
    Whatever the case it will be a *great* game to watch.  If SF plays
    with the intensity of last Saturday there will be no stopping the
    niners from repeating.  I hope this game turns out to be similar
    to the Chicago-SF championship game last year with SF taking out
    the Rams early and never looking back.
    	You never know though...
    
    sean

    
    	Just a FYI, Michael Carter (SF nose tackle) looks very probable
    for Sunday's game against the Rams.
    
    sean

    Jesse
    
    I never underestimate the Rams when playing the 49ers.  Anybody who
    suggests that the Rams just mail-in the score is underestimating the
    Rams.  While the 9er offense is great, the Rams are their equal with
    not as many STARS.  The offensive line for the Rams is BIG and
    physical.  I hope that Michael Carter can play and be effective.
    
    The defense for the Rams always gives Joe problems.  Rams can and have
    in the past stopped both Craig and Rathman on the ground.  The Rams
    have to make sure that Rice and Taylor do not run wild AFTER the catch.
    
    The two teams are actually quite even in most respects.  The difference
    could be two fold:  Can the Rams perform in THEIR biggest game to date?
    Can John Robinson FINALLY coach in a very big game?
    
    Frank 9er
    
    
    
                                                                    

I read that Vince Newsome might not be able to play for the Rams.  He
hurt his ankle in the Giants game.  This means that Gray will play more
as a safety, the corners will not be as strong.  I even read that they
might use a linebacker (Wilcher) to cover one of the wideouts.  Rams
might be in for a long afternoon.

Michael Carter/Doug Smith contest will be a good one to watch.  The
game might come down to this matchup.

BTW, the weather forecasters say we could get a lot of rain this
weekend, but not sure which day.  Candlestick field is not all that
great usually, and in the rain it will be a mess.  This changes the
complexion of the game...Montana's short passes will REALLY hurt the
Rams if they end up slipping and sliding on the field.

Of course, two can play at this game.   :^)

AAA

    If it is rainy, the Rams will definately win. Short passes? The Rams
    are very effective with the short pass. The rain will also slow down
    the 'niner's burners. (Rice and Taylor). I am looking for a very
    physical game that will go down to the wire. I believe the Rams will
    win.

    I don't know if that Ram defense can do it.Look at Minn.'s defense
    (#1 overall and #1 in sacks...over 70) and what SF did to *that*!
    I have to agree though...the SuperBowl is two weeks early this year.

    Iwas reading the Houston Oilers note and several people mentioned
    that they thought the Oilers were hurt this year when they lost
    several players in Plan B. On of those being a player picked up
    by the 49ers this year who has really helped (not sure if he's a
    running, blocking back or a tight end).
    
    I asked if someone could explain Plan B but no replied. Is there
    anyone here could explain what Plan B is? Seeing as this is the
    note about this years Super Bowl Champs I'm sure there is.
    
    
    My son has a huge poster of Joe Montana on the wall at the foot of
    his bed. My 2 year old daughter walked into his room the other morning
    and I actually heard her say "Good Morning Joe". She must have picked
    it up from my son because she repeats everything he says.
    
    I'm trying to talk my wife into letting me put a poster of Jerry
    Rice on the wall behind our bed but somehow I don't think she'll
    agree.  :-)
    
    Ted (Ireland's biggest Canadian 49ers' fan)

    Basically the new free agent plan works as follows....
    
    Each NFL team is allowed to protect 37 players on their active roster.
    Any player that they do not protect automatically becomes a Plan
    B free agent and he is able to negotiate with any team.
    
    Cap

    	The Rams defense HAS to play better than they did against the
    Giants to win this game.  The Rams have played two very tough road
    games while the 49ers had a laugher.  But I remember 1983 when the
    Redskins went 14-2 (I think) then clobbered the Rams 51-9 in their
    first playoff game and advanced to the Super Bowl (where they were
    smoked) on a questionable pass interference call.  The point being
    that a defending champ will see a team's best game every week and
    can run out of gas before the season is over.  Did the 49ers peak
    last week?  It's hard to tell because the Vikings could've had as
    much to do with the score as the 49ers.  Regardless, the two best
    teams in the NFL are playing this week.  Take the 49ers.  Give the
    7 points.  Then pray.
    
    				/Don 

    
    	Sounds like wise advice to me.  If the game is remotely close
    going into the half bet on a SF vistory.  The 30-27 SF win at LA
    was SF's *worst* 1st half performace I have ever seen.  So many
    turnovers and screwups.  Look for SF to sharpen their game, Rathman
    didn't have too great of a game against Minn. so he is going to
    be ready.  So is Cofer.  
    	Since SF's lost to GB here's how the team has shaped up:
    
    	W 34-14  NY Giants
    	W 23-10	 at Atlanta    
    	W 30-27  at LA Rams
    	W 21-10  Buffalo
    	W 26-0	 Chicago
    	W 41-13  Minnesota
    
    	If SF doesn't have more than 2 TO's.  They should win it.
    
    sean

    
    I think I would take the 7 and the Rams. These two hae been big rivals
    for a good 25 years. The two regular season games were decided by a
    total of 4 points. Should be a classic.

       Story in The Globe today says Jeff Fuller has been at 9ers practice
    this week with his right arm in a brace. He has no feeling in it from
    the wrist up. They're not sure if the nerve will restore itself
    or not.
                                           Denny

Rams have activited Jimmy Johnson from their Plan B reserves yesterday
to beef up their banged up secondary.  I sure hope Fritz Shurmer has
a great game plan for the niners offense.

Weather forcasters say rain, wind, and cold for this weekend.  Gee,
just like back East.  Rams play pretty good in the cold and rain!

My predicition is that the game will be determined by the production 
of the RBs and not the QBs.

AAA_Rams_fan_in_49er_country

    The player that the Niners lifted off of Houston was Jamie Williams,a
    TE who has been injured much of the season, but is one of, if not
    the best blocking TE in the league. A solid reciever too.
    
    They also picked up RB Spencer Tillman, a special teams star, and
    a decent RB.

    Take the rams and the 7. People are underestimating the rams. 

    If the Rams win, won't they and the Patriots be the only 2 teams to get
    to the Super Bowl by winning all away games?
    
    Mike

    I think Devil Dog is right on in that respect.  Everyone is talking
    like it's a shoo in for the 49'ers.  The Rams and 7 to 7.5 could be
    a steal since they have proven capable of beating SF outright.
    Most of the excitement in this conference has been centered around
    Denver and Cleveland but it's the Rams at 9'ers that could be the
    big story. 
    
    BoB

    I don't think anyone is underestimating the Rams. I think most would
    agree that this really should be the Super Bowl match-up. I think
    the Browns and the Broncos both run too hot and cold to be considered
    good teams.
    
    Mind you this opinion is based on highlights of a small numbers
    of games I get to see on ESPN and British TV in Ireland and should
    not be held in great regard.
    
    I just hope the 9ers take the Rams seriously.
    
    
    Ted.

    
    my memory is blury but I do know the Raiders are the only wildcard to
    win it all. I just can't remember if they were home for the wildcard
    game or not or even if they had two wildcard teams qualify back then
    it seemed so long ago....
    
    mike

    Mike,
    
         That year the RAIDERS won all of their playoff games on the road.
    Won @Houston, @Cleveland, @San Diego, then won SB XV @New Orleans vs.
    Philly(sorry Bob H.).
    
    Hope this helps.
    
                                           Glen J.

	Sorry, Houston played Oakland in the Coliseum.

RE: 48.62

>    I think Devil Dog is right on in that respect.  Everyone is talking
>    like it's a shoo in for the 49'ers.  The Rams and 7 to 7.5 could be
>    a steal since they have proven capable of beating SF outright.
>    Most of the excitement in this conference has been centered around
>    Denver and Cleveland but it's the Rams at 9'ers that could be the
>    big story. 
    
I think the spread is accurate in this game.  Everett and company (save for
a couple of veterans) haven't played a game of this caliber (championship)
yet.  This kind of pressure is old stuff to the Niners; in fact look for
the Niners to grind up the Rams slowly but effectively.

Niners 27
Rams   14

Dale

>	The Rams and 7 to 7.5 could be a steal since they have proven 
>    capable of beating SF outright.
 
    	Outright?  13-12 is an outright victory?  a FG with 2 seconds
    left due to a TO by SF earlier???
    
    sean

    Not underestimating the Rams, I would rather, should the
    Broncos bury the puppies, that the Rams play the Broncos
    in the Bowl.  The 49ers are lethal without effort.  The Broncos
    would last maybe half a quarter.  :^)  The Rams outsize the
    Broncos, but I'm taking the lesser of two evils here. 
    
    Sherm
    

    
    I'm confused. If I'm not mistaken, the Rams beat them outright comment
    is correct. They won. In the other game the Rams had to pull a total
    fold in the 4th qtr. to lose it. This should be a great one.

    
    	i'm sorry, i thought an outright win meant a "decided" win.

Something's that always puzzled me:

	Whenever I've watched the 49ers, Montana releases the ball (usually)
within 2.5-3 seconds after taking the snap (he's even quicker than Marino).
More often than not, he's released the ball before the receiver has even made
his cut. So we're talking great timing here, but we ARE talking timing
patterns. Since the defense is allowed to chuck the receiver within five yards
of the line of scrimmage, why isn't this being done in order to disrupt this
timing???

Mike JN

    
    You chuck Rice and don't knock him on the seat of his pants he's
    gone, just turn around and watch the spike. 
    
    mike

That's exactly what SF did to Hassan Jones in the Vikings game. Pollard
did whatever he could do to keep him out of the patterns. It looked like
it worked. I don't think that you can do that with Rice, Taylor or even
the Rams' Flipper Anderson, though, IMO.

TTom

    Is the game on Saturday or Sunday?
    
    
    Ted.

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>    	i'm sorry, i thought an outright win meant a "decided" win.

	Obviously you don't gamble.  8^)

    
    Sunday for both games.....
    
    

Rain is expected tonight (Friday) into Saturday morning, more rain on
Saturday afternoon, and showers Sunday morning.  Sunday afternoon
there should be mostly cloudy skies, but no rain forecast for the
afternoon.  If they cover the grass at the 'stick, the field should
be relatively OK (but maybe not fast) at game time.  Might be windy.

Predition in the Chron:  Niners 30, Rams 24 (overtime)

I'm a-hopin' for a RAM win, but I'll be satisfied if they just play 'em
close and don't get blown away.

No mistake about it, this IS the SUPER BOWL!

AAA

    In regards to the question concerning chucking 49ers receivers 
    to upset the timing of their routes......the 49ers often send a 
    receiver in motion to prevent the defense from being able to bump him.
    
    This allows the reciever to break from the line of scrimmage cleanly.
    
    
    Help this hopes,
    
    Nelly

    
    	San Fran was impressive as always yesterday.  What a team! 
    30-3... next up?
    
    sean

    FIRST QUARTER-
    
    	LA (0-3) FG Langford, 23 yds
    	
    SECOND QUARTER-
    
    	SF (7-3) Jones 20 yd pass from Montana
        SF (14-3) Craig 1 yd run
        SF (21-3) Taylor 18 yd pass from Montana
    
    THIRD QUARTER-
    
    	SF (24-3) FG Cofer 28 yds
    
    FOURTH QUARTER-
    
        SF (27-3) FG Cofer 36 yds 
        SF (30-3) FG Cofer 25 yds
    
    Other important stats:
    
    	29 first downs for SF
        SF 442 yds total offense
    	SF punts only twice in the game
    	Montana throws 26-30 for 262 yds
    
    sean

    No contest.  Keep in up.  Blow out the Donks!
    

    Congrats to the Niners and their fans (not the bandwagon hoppers), you
    guys really stomped us yesterday. What more can I say?
    
    the bummed devil dog

    
    	Lott was immense in that game.  That key denial of a Anderson
    TD in the first quarter really was the turning point (if you can
    call it that).  Ronnie had some bone crushing tackles in that game
    too (ouch!).  49ers defense just keeps getting better... wow!
    
    sf_sean

Joe put a lot of distance between himself and Everett in that game.
Except for some nervousness in the first series and overthrowing
Rice a couple of times, Joe was right on the money.  I was particularly
impressed in the way he avoided being sacked.  There was one play where
Kevin Greene was coming at him full speed...Joe pump-faked, Kevin went
for the fake, and Joe then threw for a completion.  He was able to
make the right decision on the second, third, and fourth receivers
in the whole game.

Everett held on to the ball too much.  There were times when he could
have run with the ball, but tried to find open receivers when the blocking
wore down.  He ended up throwing some wild passes, and some interceptions.
Rams gave up on the ground game in favor of the pass.  That's OK if you
got a hot QB in the game.  Everett wasn't yesterday, and it seemed that
the SF defense just got better and better through the 4th quarter.

The CBS announcers talked about how great an offensive coordinator Zampese
is.  Hard to be great when you only get 156 yards total offense and 3 points.

AAA

    	I think a helluvan underrated San Francisco defense was the Ram's
    problem.  Los Angeles has a very good team.  Being a road wild card
    team took a lot out of them.  The 49ers look like they're out to
    prove there was more to the three Super Bowls than the "genius".
    
    				/Don

I guess it unanimous in here that the 49ers are going to roll in 
2 weeks since the Donk fans have already started their "just 
happy to be there" BS...

daryll

    There's at least one exception.....:^)
    
    Claybone

    	Niners believing their own hype?  That would be a first.  Montana
    rattled?  Another first.  Earlier this year the Eagles sacked Montana
    6 or 7 times.  They had some savage hits on him.  Joe came back
    and beat the Eagles.  Denver's defense will have to play much better
    than they did yesterday to be in this game.
    
    				/Don

    That's the really frightening thing about Montana.   The Eagles
    sacked him a total of eight times in their Week 3 meeting.   He
    was groggy from the pounding.
    
    So what does he do ???
    
    Throws *FOUR* touchdowns in the final 12 minutes of the 4th
    quarter.   Niners won going away easily.
    
    They never seem to believe their own hype.
    
    Bob Hunt

    Rather than believe their own hype they seem to believe that they are
    never out of a game and therefor play hard *ALL* the time. We'll see in
    two weeks.

    
    
    If the Broncos score over 24 or more pionts on the 9er's 
    they'll  WIN !!!
    
    
    Drewski
    
    
    P.S.  You Heard It Here First Sport Fans!!!
    

    
    	teams that have scored 24 points or more against sf and lost
    (this season):
    
    	Indianapolis 24
    	Philadelphia 28
     	NY Giants    24
        LA Rams	     27
    
    	BTW, all of these teams lost....  The key isn't scoring big
    against SF, it's keeping SF from scoring big.  SF's only two losses
    came because they scored less than 20 points (12 and 17).
    
    sean

    John Madden was cracking me up during the game about Roger Craig
    running out of his socks!  "Look at the left one, that one's at half
    mast!"  What a riot!
    
    And, what a running game by the niners, eh?  Whoever says/thinks that
    Craig has "lost a step or 2" is out of their minds.  I couldn't believe
    that after that no-flag late hit cheap shot to the head he took, he
    comes back a few plays later and continues to pound out major yardage!
    
    It's great to see a team with a powerful running back duo again. 
    Reminds me of Csonka/Kiick, Harris/Bleier, Snell/Boozer........
    
    If SanFran doesn't win this one, it'll be the greatest alltime upset
    ever in pro football.........
    
    Hawk

Hawk,

	What about the Brown's accidental win over the Broncos earlier in the
season. Talk about the major upset of all time! People in BORNEO are still
talking about that one!

Mike JN

PS Did you ever notice you never see Joe Montana and Barry Manilow together?
	I wonder if they really are the same pers... naaaah... but .........
        then again ???????!!???

       That's why Joe's so tough, people keep comparing him to Barry
    and he gets pi@@ed off!
                                     Denny

    Yo Johnston,
    
    Have YOU ever noticed that you never see mister Ed or Elway in the same
    place?????  Nah couldn't be Ed has smaller teeth!!!!
    
    Frank 9er
    

        I've never seen Janet Elway and Princess Di together, either!!

                I wonder if Biff and Charlie could be....????

                     HOLY BAT GUANO!! STOP THE PRESSES!!

                                   Mike JN

    David had his giant and Achilles had his heel.  That is what 
    Denver is looking at. Take the films of the 2 regular season
    games with the Rams and the game with the Packers and pick
    them apart. 
    
    BoB

      How about Elway will pick the 9'r defense apart?  It will happen,
    especially when you have an all pro like Gerald Perry blocking for you.
    
    
      I predict a Bronco victory!!  They are due!!
    
    
    		Tim

    
    
       Really and Truly Sports fans this will be a Knock down and
     Drag out fight. The Broncos Have nothing to Lose The 9er's 
     have everything to Lose. And If I were a 9er's Fan I would give
     the Broncos a Lot more credit then what's being given That way 
     when the 9er's Lose it won't Hurt as much Because THE BRONCOS
     ARE THE BEST THE AFC HAS TO OFFER AGAINST THE BEST THE NFC HAS
     TO OFFER.
    
    
    
     DREWSKI
    
    
    
    
    
    P.S  Does anyone Know if this the First time the 2 BEST TEAMS from each
         Division (NFC/AFC) with the best records have met together in
         the SB? 
         
          

    re.106
    
    Drewski,
           I can see you have been hitting the sauce again!!. Hell!
    That stuff can give you some bad nightmares. A guy wake up and
    smell the coffee. Are you still dreaming. Wake up!! The 49ers
    beat the Broncos by your favorite number (24 or more).
    
    GO NINERS!!!!!!!!
    
                                                 WILL THE THRILL
    

    re.107
     
    Yo Will,
      take a Chill Pill I know it's Like a Freddy Nightmare
      for you 9er's Fans to Even think of the Broncos Busting your
      Bubble but Realize it Can Happen ask the Baltimore Colts and
      Broadway Joe.
    
  Drewski
    
    P.S. The Dream is Almost Complete !!! 
    
    

    Can anyone tell me about Montana? i.e. when and where he graduated,
    was he a high draft choice or did he sneak in, did he join the 9ers
    when the Great Brodie was around, if not who QB'd the team in between?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Ted.

       He was drafter out of ND in (I think) 1979.
                                             Denny
    

    I believe I read he was the 48th overall draft pick.
    
    Chip

    
    I don't know if he was the 48th ppick or not but it would seem
    plausible because Joe went in the third round out of Notre Dame
    as already stated....
    
    He also has one of the most beautiful wives in the world....
    
    ;^)

    Montana graduated from Ringgold High, near Pittsburgh, where he married
    his high-school sweetheart.  As soon as he hit the big-time he dumped
    her back in Danora.  Nice guy.

Montana was a 3rd round pick out of Notre Dame.  Obviously he was not
a highly regarded quarterback.  When Bill Walsh saw Joe Montana in 
practice and in films, he saw the great potential there that other coaches
obviously missed.  Walsh paid Montana the ultimate compliment by saying
he saw some of Joe Namath in his drop and release.

Dan

    > ......he saw some of Joe Namath in his drop and release.
    
    I realize that college life can be financially tough on a kid, but
    having to eat old Jets souvenir yearbooks .........
    
    :-)
    
    Hawk

Gee, Dan has disappointed me yet again.  I was hoping he would somehow
work North Carolina and Dean in there, yet all we got was the same
sad ol' Joe Willie Green song and dance....

Oh well,
'Saw 

    Yeah, Saw.  I was about to jump all over that bullsh*t about Namath,
    until I saw it was from Dan.  Same old crap.  :*)
    
    Now, if he wanted to talk about a REAL quarterback, he'd had referred
    to Johnny U.
    
    How come Willie Joe talks funny when he says words that have an
    "L" in them?
    
    Lee

>    Now, if he wanted to talk about a REAL quarterback, he'd had referred
>    to Johnny U.
>    
>    How come Willie Joe talks funny when he says words that have an
>    "L" in them?
    


Johnny U, the man with the flat top and hi-top shoes!  Certainly one
of the all-Time greats!

Willie Joe and L's?  I don't know...he didn't play for the Broncos so
it can't be Hoof-'n-MOuth disease.....

Bart Starr, another GREAT executionist...

Chainsaw

      Is CBS covering this year??  I hope not,  cause I can't stand that
    big mouth madden,  and his drawing board.
    
      Yes Rice will be intimidated,  especially after Smith puts the 1st
    pop on him.  He will get up dazed,  then walk over to the sideline, and
    tell the coach he wants his mommy...  Any takers??
    
    	Tim

    Yes CBS.
    

    
    	Rice intimidated?  Is that after he scores his third or fourth
    touchdown?  
    
    sean

    
    Beat me to it, Sean. 
    
    
    Being at a game you can see things you don't see on TV and
    vice-a-versa. At the game you get to see the defensive backfield
    and receivers the entire play, i.e. the play developing. This
    past week Cleveland had receivers wide open all day. Denver had
    better tighten that up big time or Montana will pick them apart 
    worse than the biggest blow-out sayers are predicting.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

       Yow! How about them Niners, ey? The Rams had us worried, but
    now they're packed away on ice again until next year. And here I
    was pulling for the Giants to beat the Rams so the Niners wouldn't
    have to play them again!
    
       Now, on to the next 49er game, SB XXIV.
    
       I don't think I'm ready to make a prediction yet. I need to sift
    through more data before I can decide how many TD's the 49ers will
    win by. One key statistic - how many Elway interceptions will be
    returned for TD's by the 49er defense? I don't know, that's hard
    to say. Two? Three? On the offense, who is going to end up with
    the most TD's, the running backs or the wide receivers? Will the
    Broncos be able to do better than a field goal or two? Will the
    Broncos score at all?
    
       What it all boils down to is, will the 49ers beat the spread?
    I think it depends on turnovers and special teams. If the Broncos
    can get some key turnovers and decent field position, they may be
    able to keep it close. But if the 49ers can put together another
    excellent game and avoid the big mistakes, they'll win going away.
    Steve Young will start the 4th quarter. Non-Niner fans will be
    complaining about what a boring game it was. I just hope no 49ers
    get hurt spiking the ball.
    
       Jim G.
    

    Jim, you are partially correct. It will take turnovers and field
    position to keep it close. Unfortunately for Bronco fans,
    it will also take some other stuff too. 
    
    BoB

re: Namath, Bill Walsh's personal standard for great QBs (and mine too, great
minds think alike)

You're all just jealous that I got to grow up watching Joe Willie, while you
were saddled with the sad likes of Norm Sneeze or Craig Moron.  Speaking 
of growing up and getting to watch great players, Lee, what are your 
personal thoughts on Jim Thorpe?

Dan

    Dan, sad to say, there was no TV when Jim Thorpe played, so I didn't
    get to watch him.  No radio coverage then, either.  Besides, back
    then, I rooted for the cavalry, not the indians.  I suppose if I
    had grown up in Cleveland, I'd have been a fan of the Indians.
    
    As far as who I did get to see on TV back when I was growing up, Otto 
    Graham comes to mind.  Namath is a VERY distant qb, unless you count
    just one game as a measure of greatness.
    
    Namath's prediction should be compared to Babe Ruth's supposed
    prediction.  But, the Babe played far above the average player for
    many years.  Namath did it for one, count it, one, game.  So, Joe
    Willie is the top-ranked QB for making one prediction, I don't recall
    any other QB doing the same.  For a career, he's in the second tier,
    at best.  
    
    Come to think of it, I'd rather have grown up in Cleveland than
    to have been a Namath fan.  How manly can a guy be when he has a
    white shag rug?  
    
    Namath was the product of a great football mind, Weeb Eubank, as
    well as the media capital of the world.  He wasn't lousy, but he
    wasn't a good as you make him out to be.  He had great receivers
    and running backs for their time.
    
    Has Bill Walsh ever answered that Namath is his selection, when
    asked a specific question about the BEST qb to play in the NFL,
    or was his quote taken out of context?  If it was a specific question,
    please state it.  And, who asked it?  Joe Willie's mother?  You?  

    Dan, your credibility is fading quickly when you make such rash
    and unfounded statements regarding your personal opinion on
    such a player.  Why, you've even given up on Bill James, right?
    
    Funny how someone can be an absolute authority when he agrees with
    you, but he's misled or misinformed if he doesn't.  :*)
    
    Lee

    
    Good shot Dan...  ;^)
    
    better rebuttal Lee... ;^)
    
    never mind the white shag rug, how about the comercial in the panty
    hose????
    
    mike

    So Dan, what does Lee think about Joe Willie in panty hose?
    
    H'awk

    
    	Here's SF's schedules of teams to be played for next season:
    
    	Home:     		Away:
    
    	LA Rams                 LA Rams
    	New Orleans             New Orleans
    	Atlanta                 Atlanta
    	NY Giants               Minnesota
    	Washington              Green Bay
    	Tampa Bay               Dallas
    	Cleveland               Houston
    	Pittsburgh              Cincinatti
    
    	The NFC West is playing the entire AFC Central and vice versa...
    
    sf_sean

    Hawk, I'd guess that Willie would remind me of certain ladies in
    Naples, Italy.  Unshaven legs in nylons are a REAL turn-off, know
    what I mean?
    
    Lee

    LeE, I didn't realize that WWI was fought as far down as Naples.  I
    thought it was fought mostly in the trenches of France.  Oh well.....
    
    :-)
    
    Hawk

Lee, Otto Graham's a fossil.  Joe Willie was the real thing.  To say
he had one good game is absurd.  He's the best pure passer
of all time that I've ever seen.  Most expert coaches agree with
that statement, and you can count Walsh, Madden and 
(pre-Marino) Shula among them.

That's all you need to know, Lee.  Stop obfuscating and writing
those long notes, or I'll confuse you with MrT.

Dan

    NFC West playing the entire AFC Central....
    
    Tough one :(
    
    Charles
    

    re .132
    
    	"best of all time that I've ever seen" ?????? :-)
    Just how old are you, Dan? 8^8^8^
    			Raider_Rich
    

    Dan, I didn't say he only had one good game, but that he got his
    initial fame for that one game.  Beyond that, he was a good QB,
    not great.  Maybe, if he had a good set of wheels, he might have
    gone on to become one of the very best.  But, that's conjecture,
    not fact.
    
    The fact that he's the best you've seen, and that you quote those
    that agree with you, means nothing to me.  After all, you're a Yankmee
    fan, so your opinions are already suspect.  :*)
    
    Lee 

>    Dan, I didn't say he only had one good game, but that he got his
>    initial fame for that one game.  Beyond that, he was a good QB,
>    not great.

You mean the year before the Super Bowl year, 1967, when he destroyed
the all time record for passing yardage, he didn't have any great games,
didn't get any fame? Or two years earlier when he was one of the top
picks in football, and chosen ahead of the Heisman Trophy winning 
quarterback (another Notre Dame super-hype job, but that never really
happens, does it?) it was because Joe Namath, starting QB of Alabama,
Bear Bryant's finest QB he'd ever coached was only "just okay"?

Lee, if there ever was a great QB, Joe Namath was a great QB.  The
finest passing QB ever, in my opinion, and those of experts in the field 
whose opinions I value.  And you should too.

Lee, accept Joe Namath, get to know Joe Namath, love Joe Namath.
You'll be better for it.

Dan

Yawn...not this rathole again....

I think most experts will agree that prior to Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas
was the greatest QB to ever have played the game...


Hawk, you forgot Methusala....

later,
'Saw

    	Dan, back in 1967 a lot of AFL secondaries were a lot like your
    throwing arm.  Weak.   I would've like to see what some of the NFL
    quarterback stars of that time could've done against some of the
    swiss cheese defenses of the AFL.
    
    				/Don

>    The fact that he's the best you've seen, and that you quote those
>    that agree with you, means nothing to me.  After all, you're a Yankmee
>    fan, so your opinions are already suspect.  :*)
    
>    Lee 
 
    Lee, go back and read Dan's statement (.132).  What it *really* says is
    that Madden, Walsh, et al agree that Namath is the best pure passer
    that Dan has ever seen.  I really haven't heard Madden comment an
    awful lot on the passers that Dan has seen (and I'd be willing to
    bet that I listen to Madden a lot more than Dan does), it could
    be a comment that they have all made.       
    
    
    HTH
    
    Bruce

    Dan's not *THAT* old....   ;^)
    
    
    Big Game
    

    re .147
    
    	Yeah, but he plays flag football like it!  ;^)
    
    Claybone

     Yea,  
    
     You're right, Claybone......  Dan is not the most MOBIL(tm) 
    (slick or quick) guy on the field, thats for sure.  He dosen't
    have a bad arm though.
    
     Big Game

    Dan, /Don was right on the money with his reply about the quality
    of the AFL in the 60's.  I was an AFL fan, primarily because it
    was a wide open type of game.  And, this game leads to higher offensive
    stats.  Take a look at some of the QB's that were starters in the
    AFL during that time, and you'll find that more than a few were
    retreads from the NFL.  Guys that were 2nd and 3rd string, or about
    ready to retire, when the AFL got them.

    To be honest about it, I will say that the Jets would never have
    won the SB without Namath.  They most likely wouldn't have even
    been in the game without him.  But that doesn't make him the best.
    
    I realize that Namath is your own personal hero, so I won't continue
    to try bringing you back to reality.  :*)
    
    So, I'll just make this statement:  Joe Namath, the best pure-throwing
    QB that Dan has ever seen.  Okay?  :*)
    
    Lee

      What the heck does all this drible have to do with the 49's?  And Dan
    doesn't have a great arm.  I picked one off from him the only time I
    have played against him.  Now I'm sounding like yuz guys! (;^)
    
    
    		Tim

    Tim, this just proves that Dan is the favorite target of a lot of
    noters.  What a guy!  :*)
    
    Lee

	When Madden was interviewed for the Digital newspaper he was asked
about Dan's arm. Madden's reply was:

`When Dan plays FLAG football, they oughta call it RAG football... as in arm.'

                   ( I think he meant it as a compliment )

Mike JN

    
    This just in.........Dan Schneider has made the All-Madden flag
    football team.
    
    Claybone

    	Clay, think it was the Barney Frank handkerchief football team.

     Dan....  You gonna take this crap from Claybone.  You've played
    more CXO games than he has and you live on the "Least Coast". 
    Claybone lives right here in Colo Spgs.  Give `em Hell, Dan.  Don't
    take no sh*t from these Girly Mons !
    
    Big Game

      What it Jack,  I was giving him some crappola.
    
      A foot of snow on the ground to play ball in.  At least I won't rip
    the skin off my knee again.
    
      CAll a snow day!!!!!!

      I can't type either

    Cacti,
    
    	The only reason I showed that one time was to dump you on
    	your haid.  But you were too skeert of me and made sure
    	we were on the same team.  :^)
    
    Claybone
    

     >Dan....  You gonna take this crap from Claybone.  You've played
    >more CXO games than he has and you live on the "Least Coast". 
    >Claybone lives right here in Colo Spgs.

Well, he did beg off early too, with some whiney excuse, but to be honest,
I didn't have my best day that day, what with the footing and all, and the less
said the better.

Dan

>Re: Tim      What it Jack,  I was giving him some crappola.

*You* picked off one of *my* passes?!?  Ha!  I think I went deep
5 times that day, and I was about ready to write all Bronco fans off
as girly men, more suited to synchronized swimming than football.

Dan

    No wonder the "/Don Synchronized Swimming With Jim Dinsmore" video is a
    big hit and always a sell-out in Colorado.....  :-)
    
    Hawk

    	Dan the year you mentioned was 1967.  If I remember correctly
    the Packers beat the Chiefs that year 35-10.  The Chiefs secondary
    was burned badly by aging (and hungover) Max Magee.  You are now
    much the wiser for this.  No need to thank me.
    
    				/Don

    Dan,
    
    	The real reason I left early is because my sides couldn't
    	take laughing at the way Cacti plays ball anymore.  It's
    	hard not to sound whiney when your ribs are killing you.
    	It was too funny.  BTW, what was the score of that game...:^)
    
    Claybone

    re. 160:
    
    > The AFL had most of the best QB's in football at the time, and the
    > reason was because Joe Namath had taught them how to open up the
    > game.
    
    I don't agree with this.  The Chargers, under Sid Gillman, had a
    successful wide-open passing attack before Namath came into the AFL.
    
    Live from Charger Central...
    
    Glenn

    re .140
    
    F-F-F-LLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRWWWWWWAAAAADDDDDDD !!!!!!!!

    re .167
    
    Thanks Glenn.
    
    Dan, I've already waxed you in the old SPORTS on this very topic.
    
    Now get off that pedestal, or I'll repeat your humilation.
    
    Dr. Midnight

>    	Dan the year you mentioned was 1967.  If I remember correctly
>    the Packers beat the Chiefs that year 35-10.  The Chiefs secondary
>    was burned badly 

I know what year it was, /Don.  Are you trying to tell me that
there was sweeping changes in AFC defensive backs from the
'67 season to the '68 season that somehow taints Namath's
awesome records?  Or are you trying to tell me that you can
extrapolate evidence from one game against one of the 
greatest teams of all time to generalize about a whole league?

If you're trying to tell me those things, then you are being
consistent.  Where you've got to be more careful in the 
future is when you're kidding around like this, you gotta
let guys like Lee know, because he's agreeing with you.

So now that I've given you an opportunity to save face, why
don't you help poor Lee out in kind?

Dan

Ah, my good friend Doc, the free safety of football.  I think this
one's over your head.  I'd suggest you go back and watch
your football video where Huey, and Dewey go long, Looie
stays short, and Uncle Donald tries to hit the open man.

Dan

    Hi 9ers fans,
    
    I'm first in thif morning because it's 4 a.m. on the east coast
    and 1 a.m. on the west coast. All I can say is that I have never
    seen a more thorough beating than I saw last night. Definitely the
    team of the 80s and the start of the 90s. I don't mean this as gloating
    but Elway and the Broncos certainly made a needless journey to New
    Orleans. John Boy was out to lunch. Maybe Indianapolis will give
    him another chance.
    
    Ted (in Ireland).

    
    
       How many Broncos does it take to change a flat tire?
    
       One, unless it's a blowout. Then they all show up.
    

    re-175    Thats good...
    
      Anway,  congrats 49's and true 9'r fans.  They were "awesome".
    
    
    		Tim

>        <<< Note 48.175 by 49ER::GLANVILLE "Node name of the decade" >>>
    
    Is your first name Jerry by any chance? :-)
    
    Mike

    The trouble continue for Elway...
    
    When he got back home from New Orleans, he couldn't get his car in the
    garage..
    
    Someone had painted a goal line in front of it.
    
    pete

    It is truly a wonderful feeling to be a 49er fan these days.  They are
    a great team with great professionals.  No one on this team chose to
    rub the loss into Denvers face.  The game was a picture of executing a
    a game plan to its utmost.
    
    I really hope that someday the true Denver faithful will be able to
    revel in a championship.  It would be hard for me to find more loyal
    fans than those of the Broncos.  The Broncos are my second favorite
    team and I really felt embarrased with the thumping that was put on
    them.  As Rathman put it "we didn't even use all of our designed plays
    this afternoon".  Why are people saying that alot of teams could have 
    beaten the Broncos on sunday?  This statement is doing an injustice to
    the 49ers.  In the 49ers last 5 games a total of 36 points have been
    scored on their defense.  In those same 5 games the offense has scored
    a total of 173 points.  That is an average of 34.7 to 7.1, not to
    shabby of a record.  The fact that the 9ers humiliated the number 1
    defense in the league in Minnesota.  They also humiliated the so called
    "heir apparent" to the 9ers in the Rams.  Both of those games the 9ers
    called the "dogs" off early in the second half.  I know Montana played
    in the second half but there were very few passes thrown in either
    second half.  Considering how the 9ers have played since that monday
    night against the Rams, perhaps THEY(9ers) are the reason the Broncos got
    demolished moreso than the so called ineptitude of the Broncos.  In
    sports, Success does not last long and I am choosing to revel in the
    fact that the 9ers would have demolished ANYONE on sunday.
    
    Frank "9er" Mendez

    Anyone out in the Bay Area have some info on the Niners' Plan B
    decisions?  I expected Eric Wright, Keena Turner, and Mike Wilson
    (three of the Fab Five) to be unprotected, but I didn't expect Brent
    Jones to be on the list.  Are they planning to start Jamie Williams at
    TE, or will they be going with Wesley Walls?  From what I saw of Walls
    this season, I wasn't impressed.  He always seemed to be making a
    crucial penalty.  Leaving Helton unprotected is fine by me...there must
    be better punters out there.
    
    Also, any word on whether Mike Holmgren is leaving for a head coaching
    job?  It seems like the Jets are going after someone else, and I haven't
    heard anything about the Cardinals selection process.  I hope he stays
    on, of course.  Joe really flourished this year with Holmgren as the
    offensive coordinator.
    
    It's great being a Niner fan out here in Donk country.  Donk fans seem
    to be taking comfort in the fact that the 49ers would have beaten any
    team the way they were playing, forgetting, of course, of just how poor
    an effort Denver put forth.  A local columnist is advocating an Elway
    for Marino trade.  It will be interesting to see if Donkomania is as
    rampant next season after yet another crushing Super Bowl blowout.
    
    Meanwhile, we'll be gearing up for the THREE-PEAT!
    
    SB

    	The rags out here say Holmgren can pick either the St. Louis
    or N.Y. jobs, because they'll both be offered to him.
    
    				/Don 

    The Jets offered the Job to the Cincy Bengals offensive coordinator,
    not to Holmgren.
    
    JoJ

    That's what I had heard too, Jim.  What do you think?  Will the Jets be
    running no-huddle during the whole game like Cincy did a couple of
    years ago?  You have to figure anyone is better than Walton.
    
    If the Jets do indeed hire Coslet, then I hope that Phoenix takes Fritz
    Shurmur from the Rams and leaves Holmgren in SF.  I think the Jets were
    concerned about Holmgren's lack of NFL experience.
    
    SB

    Holmgren was in Phoenix interviewing a few days after the Super Bowl.
    
    Mike

    re: .183
    
    Shilendra (sp?), I don't really know much about Coslet. But, Cincy has
    had a good offence when healthy, we'll just have to watch and see.
    
    JoJ

    I think Bill Walsh reccommended Coslet for the Jets job.  With NY
    taken, I feel better about Holmgren staying.  I don't think he is
    too hot to go to work in Phoenix.  It's a lousy situation there
    that won't improve, and Mike will get better offers.
    
    The biggest feeling I had after the Super Bowl was a sadness that
    I wasn't going to be able to watch the 9ers for 6 months.  The last
    6 weeks or so they were incredible to watch.
    
    Bruce 

    Holmgren was in Phoenix again yesterday.  Should be a press conference
    soon somewhere :-)
    
    Mike

    Holmgren reportedly told the SF paper that he is saying.  I think it is
    reported that he received a big raise from DeBartolo to make him the
    highest paid assistant in the NFL.  
    
    Also, I heard that Phoenix hired the coordinator (forgot offense or
    defense) from Washington, from within their own division.
    
    Charles

    Joe Bugel was hired by Phoenix.  He had been offensive line coach
    (and may have been offensive coordinator) with the Redskins.
    
    John

    Bugel was the offensive coordinator.  Holmgren was given a raise by
    DeBartolo? so he's staying ($400K).
    
    Mike

    Bugel was also the assistant head coach for the 'Skins.

Jets didn't want Holmgren because of his lack of NFL experience.  He seems
to be a nifty offensive whiz, but apparently Walsh hired right from a high
school coaching job a few years ago.

Dan

    It was stated on national news that Holmgren did not want to leave
    San Francisco 49ers at this time and then the job was offered to
    the Bengal guy.  Leads me to believe that Holmgren turned down the
    job.
    
    Frank 9er Mendez
    

    
    Niners are looking at Plan B FAs Fred Smerlas and Dave Waymer. 
    They are usually pretty serious about anyone they have in for a
    look, so don't be surprised if they sign one or both.
    
    Bruce 

    
    Take it easy, Doc, they released Tillman for the Oilers to re-sign.
    8^)
    
      

    re: .195
    
    Picking up Smerlas may not be a bad move.  He may have one or two more
    years left in him.  Besides, he'll only have to play backup noseman
    behind Carter, so he shouldn't suffer much wear and tear.  He can take
    Kugler's place, since he has retired.  Do they really want to carry
    three nose tackles, though?  Perhaps they should pick between Burt
    and Smerlas and just keep one.
    
    Does Waymer play safety or corner?  Some depth in the secondary is
    always a good idea, especially if McKyer wants out and we're forced
    to start Pollard at one corner.  BTW, any more news on McKyer's status
    regarding the doghouse (in or out?).
    
    Who will start at TE?  Will they re-sign Jones, or start Williams or
    Walls?
    
    One interesting point (which may have already been addressed) will be
    to see how SF evaluates talent over the next few years without Walsh.
    I think the 49ers' front office is probably the best in the league, but
    I wonder how many of those good unknowns were due to Walsh's good eye.
    I'm thinking of people like Don Griffin and Tim McKyer, both excellent
    DBs from unknown schools.  Or how much of the player development was
    due to coaching?  Perhaps the Niners' staff could have gotten anyone
    in there and turned him into a strong contributor.
    
    Another random thought...in light of Jim Kelly's big contract (which is
    unbelievable), Eddie will soon be coughing up some major bucks to make
    Joe the highest paid player in the game, which is only fitting,
    since he is the best player in the game.
    
    SB  

    re .198:
    
    >	                                    Do they really want to carry
    >	three nose tackles, though?  Perhaps they should pick between Burt
    >	and Smerlas and just keep one.         
    
    I think the 9ers left Burt unprotected.
    
    
    py

    
    Burt re-retired.

    If Burt AND Kugler have retired, then SF should definitely go after 
    Smerlas.
    
    I saw a blurb a short time back that Waymer received an offer from the
    Niners, but that he was giving New Orleans one more chance to re-sign
    him.
    
    SB

    I would think that Smerlas would not want to play for a team on which
    he'd be second-string.  With Michael Carter already with the 49ers (and
    considered by many to be the top nose tackle in the NFL) I'd think
    Smerlas would prefer to PLAY during his last two or three years in the
    League.  This isn't meant to be a knock at the 49ers....they are
    definitely the BEST team to play for.....due to talent on both the
    field and in the front office (read DeBartolo).
    
    As to Waymer....I was surprised by the quote I read in the paper.  He
    said he would give the Saints a chance to match the 49ers offer!!  How
    can he do this??  New Orleans is unable to discuss any contract terms
    with him until AFTER the Plan B timeframe ends (April 1?)
    
    
    
    Nelly

    
    Kugler and Burt both announced their retirement after the Super
    Bowl, however both are reconsidering.  Smerlas wants to play for
    a champion, and after the crap that went on in Buffalo, I'm not
    sure he wants to stay.  The fact that they left him unprotected
    may mean he won't start when next year. 

    Read in the paper that Waymer signed yesterday.  
    
    Re: .201 --- I don't know all the rules on Plan B, but that's what
    I saw on one of those sports tickers at a bar.  Who knows, maybe my
    vision was clouded by that point. :*)  Anyway, the point is moot 
    since he ended up signing with the 49ers.
    
    SB

    
    There is some questions in SF as to if Michael Carter will ever
    be able to perform at his previous level.  This may be why they
    are looking to sign Smerlas and may talk Burt out of retirement
    again.
    
    They are also talking to Gerald McNeil and Ron Brown about return
    man duties.  McNeil seems excited about those possibilities, especially
    if the 9ers can use him with Rice, Taylor, and Sherrard when they
    go to their 4 wideouts offense.  Taylor has become too valuable
    to be used on punt returns.
    
    Bruce 
                                                                
    Bruce
       

    Bruce, any rumors on your end about trading Young?  One reported in the
    Patriots' conference was that SF was interested in
    Stephens/Tippett/Pats 1st rounder (or a combination thereof) for Young.

    
    A month ago there were some.  A lot depends on what Montana decides
    to do, and he is to decide after he gets back from a vacation. 
    Youung said if Joe says he will be gone in 2-3 years, he'll stay,
    if not he wants to be traded.  The only rumor I heard is Young +
    to Dallas for Walsh.
         
    One thing to remember, it has served SF well over the past few years
    to have a good backup QB.  If they think they can hang onto Young,
    they will do their best to keep him.
      
    Bruce
    

    Bruce,
    
    Bruce,
    
    How is [whathisname] who was partially paralyzed from that collision
    with John Stephens doing?  Any possibility of a comeback, or still too
    early to tell?
    
    Hawk
    
    Hawk

    	That's a real shame if Carter can't come back Bruce.  I thought
    he was the best nose tackle in the game.
    
    				/Don

    
    Fuller retired, his arm never came back fully.  He may be offered
    a coaching position.
    
    Bruce

I heard a rumor that Montana is staying for 3 more years 
and that Steve Young is looking out over the bay towards
Oakland ???

    
    Jeff,
    Someone in the NFL file, from the Bay area, said Montana wants to play 
    5 more years.

Okay; Frank (MMD) Mendez keeps bothering me looking for info on the 9'ers first 
round choice Dexter Carter (rb)Fla st. 5'8" 168.  

I keep telling Frank that this guy sells Shoes (dexters) to a former President. 

Jeff

    
    According to ESPN, Carter is a scatback type that will be used for kick
    returns, mainly.

    
    Not SCATMAN, scatback. You know, little guys that can run like a
    cockroach.

OHHHHH....  I get it now.  

Yeah, them cockroach things run really fast.  I saw them in 
the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History one time.  

Nasty spuds, arent' they?

chainsaw

        Unfortunately, all I have are the teams to be played. This can
    give you some indication though of how the season ahead looks.
    
        Home:     		Away:
    
    	LA Rams                 LA Rams
    	New Orleans             New Orleans
    	Atlanta                 Atlanta
    	NY Giants               Minnesota
    	Washington              Green Bay
    	Tampa Bay               Dallas
    	Cleveland               Houston
    	Pittsburgh              Cincinatti
    
    	The NFC West is playing the entire AFC Central and vice versa...
                                                            
    sean

>>                   -< Anyone have the 49ers 1990 schedule? >-

They're getting the year off.  They'll automatically be entered in the Super
Bowl.

j.

    
    Eddie DeBartolo has given Dwight Hicks a $100,000/yr. salary for
    the rest of his life.  Hicks was partially paralyzed in a game against
    the Pats.  
    
    I expect some other owners to bitch and moan about this now, and
    fine the 9ers for it.
    
    
    Bruce 

    Bruce,
          Is that Dwight Hick or Jeff Fuller.

    Chuck

    
    It's Fuller, and it's Friday PM, what do you expect?

    Just another reason why the Niners are a championship team ... they
    have a class organization that makes you want to bust your a** for
    them - unlike some teams ....
    
    Wonder if Stanley Morgan has heard the news ....

>>    Wonder if Stanley Morgan has heard the news ....

    You mean Darly Stingley ???

Chuck
   

    Doc,
    
    I'm pretty sure Darryl Stingley has been treated pretty well by the
    Patriots organization.  I'm not sure if it's for life though.
    
    					Steve

    Despite a flap last year over some misunderstandings by new Patriots
    management, Darryl has been well taken care of.  The team is paying
    for the college education of Darryl's younger son (the older did
    not attend college), Darryl has a lifetime job and there are other
    things involved that I don't know about.
    
    John

    Refresh my memory, was it Jack Tatum that hit Darryl Stinly?  Has he
    done anything (not that he should have to)?  Last I heard, the assassin
    (note spelling) never even contacted Stingly.
    
    	--dan'l
    

    Jack Tatum was the one who hit Stingley.  There was an overthrown
    pass over the middle, Darryl had his head down and Tatum hit him.
    
    Tatum claims that he tried to contact Stingley and was never able
    to or allowed to.  Stingley claims Tatum never tried.  Depends on
    who you believe.
    
    John

    From what I heard, Tatum did indeed try right after the accident,
    but was barred by either Stingley's family or the Pats (I'm not
    sure which). 
    
    Since then I don't know. 
    
    re Morgan,
    
    What I meant about Morgan is that from what I hear, Stanley is getting
    jerkd around pretty good by Pats management. Seems that they think
    that his numbers have dropped off pretty dramatically over the alst
    three seasons. I supposed the fact that the Pats QBing has stunk
    over the last three seasons has nothing to do with it ....
    
    My point was simply that I'm sure the Steamer must have looked to
    the Bay Area, and sees how a real franchiese handles things ....
    
    Doc

    No Doc, I think it's a case where Morgan is not the player he once was.
    Hart Lee Dykes managed to catch quite a few passes last year with the
    erratic QB's.  Stanley dropped more balls last year than he probably
    did during his entire career.  He'll be taking a pay cut (which he
    himself says if fair) and they are haggling over it being 300 or 400K
    per year.
    
    					Steve

    
    Yeah Steve but if he played for the niners they wouldn't be haggling
    over a pay cut. Out of loyality and length of service, Debartalo would
    give him his present salary. heck he'd probably even give him a raise.
    
    mike

    
    re -1
    
    I'm not so sure about that.  The 9ers do  seem to get tough with
    vets who are on the down side of their career.  Riki Ellison is
    a good example.  The Niners were tired of his perpetual injuries
    and when he wouldn't sign a reduced contract, the didn't protect
    him.  Eric Wright is also about to sign at a reduced rate.  Eddie
    throws his money around when it's prudent, but doesn't waste it.
    
    Bruce

    That's the point Bruce. Stanley is still a productive receiver,
    of that I'm sure. And I'm all for fiscal sanity, but it seems that
    this is a penny-wise/pound-foolish move. It doesn't save all that
    much money, and it undermines team unity.
    
    If you want to save $$$'s dump players that are overpaid. They did
    it with Eason, and you can't tell me that Fryar was that much more
    effective than Morgan. Probably less ....
    
    DrM

    DrM

       Doc, I think Morgan is coming off a broken leg (or did he blow out
    a knee). At his age and the Pats trying to build for the future spending
    time (money) on a vet isn't the answer.

    Chuck

    
    Wasn't there an O-lineman for the 49ers that sued the team for not
    covering him for a blown out knee?

    >Wasn't there an O-lineman for the 49ers that sued the team for not
    >covering him for a blown out knee?
    
    Yes, it was an extremely sad story.  I think it was a player back in
    the '60s, so I wouldn't confuse it with current ownership.  I think it
    was more a sign of the times, the way the NFL was in those days.  This
    particular guy had an injured knee.  The team doctors kept convincing
    him he could play, the coaches too, so he kept playing, and the knee
    got worse.  By the time his career ended, he was a shambles.  Today, he
    needs help getting out of bed.  The story was in Sports Illustrated
    within the last 2 years.  Don't know how it got settled.
    
    Dan

    re .243
    
    I hope the player gets megabucks.
    
    By the way, remember that sad (and very interesting) rate of former
    49er players from the 60's with ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease) ?
    
    Some people felt that old Kezar Staidum may have had something (toxic
    waste ?) in the soil on the field that triggered something.
    
    Bruce, do you have any new info ?
    
    Doc

    I believe the player was defensive tackle Charlie Krueger and he
    did win some pretty big bucks.
    
    Mike

Has anybody heard about Eddie DeBartalo changing the 49'ers team 
ownership into his father corporation. Seems this is Illegal by NFL 
ownership rules. This was done in 1986 and this is the reason the 49'ers 
can pay a backup Nose tackle Fred Smerlas $750,000 for a 1 yr contract

Some owners are looking to punish the 49'ers by taking away they're #1 picks 
of 91 and 92 seasons. 

Jeff

    
    DeBartolo did transfer the ownership to one of his father's
    corporations, which Eddie now owns.  The NFL wantys each team to
    be its own corporation, and not owned by another.  Several other
    teams (including the Broncos, I believe) also operate this way.
    The owners are pissed because they use this to point at why the
    Niners do so well.  Instead of trying to copy the Niners, some petty
    owners are trying to limit the $ they spend.  Of all the teams that
    are owned by corporations, the 49ers were the only ones mentioned
    who should lose their draft picks.  Anyone remember the flak about
    Eddie giving bonuses to the Niners after they won a few years back?
    The Broncos cried about it, and so they made it illegal.  Last year
    Eddie flew the team to Hawaii to give them their SB rings.  The
    Broncos cried about that so Eddie couldn't do that any more.  Last
    Christmas,  Eddie gave the wives of the players furs [poor choice
    of a gift, but that's a different issue], the Broncos started to
    cry about that, but Eddie showed that they didn't have a chance
    in court to prevent him from that.
    
    Why don't they wise up?

    
    Bruce
         
    PS Smerlas may start next year, as Carter is a question mark.  Who
    will be more valuable Smerlas next year, or Dorsett in 89?     
                                                
     

    title should be Jeff, not Bob.  I apologize to Bobs everywhere.

Ain't no Bob's hear

>      What the owners are crying about is that even though the Niners 
>    are a team that does nothing but win, they also lose more money than
>    any other team.  The reason? Raises, the bonuses, the furs, trips, 
>    etc. And that's only the things we hear about. 
    
>      In turn, The losses are written off to the parent corporation, 
>    in this case DeBartolo Enterprises or some such. And that is what
>    the other owners are bitchin' about.
      
>         Not all teams have this luxury for writing off the losses to a 
>    a parent corporation. (And no, the donks are not one of these teams.)


     So what ?  I don't have the luxury of having rich relatives bail me out,
     or give me generous gifts, etc.  That's tough, as far as I can see, but
     it shouldn't be declared illegal, or against league rules.

                    <<< Note 48.252 by CSCOA5::ROLLINS_R >>>

>     So what ?  I don't have the luxury of having rich relatives bail me out,
>    or give me generous gifts, etc.  That's tough, as far as I can see, but
>   it shouldn't be declared illegal, or against league rules.

Agreed but we're talking about the good ole boys' network here and Debartolo
isn't one of them so anything he does comes into question. And anything they
don't like is ruled illegal.....

mike

    I was wondering Bruce.....
    
    Isn't it possible that perhaps the reason the 9ers won the past two
    superbowls because they performed better on the field???
    
    The 9ers may have the highest payroll at this time but it was just
    a couple of years ago that the Broncos had the highest payroll and
    they did not do squat in the superbowl!!!!
    
    Do not get me wrong, IF the 9ers are in some illegal act then punish
    them but, do not contribute their superbowl performance on money. 
    They just flat out kicked the Broncos butts all over the field!!!
    
    Frank 9er

    The Niners do treat their players better than any other team in
    the league and I think it correlates to the money they spend:
    
    Wide-body aircraft on all charter flights (it makes a big difference
    with a football team, I speak from personal experience)
    
    Single rooms for all players on the road
    
    Little things like the furs, organization-wide trips and so on
    
    Nice team facilities
    
    This sort of thing makes a big difference in team morale and can
    pay off in loyalty to the organization and performance on the field.
    
    John

I don't see how the 49ers lost any money over the last 3 or 4 years...
Their sales on 49er type items has been the highest of any team during 
those years along with the Bears and the RAIDERS.....

I do remember Pat Blowin whinning about something the gangster did!!
just to back up bruce.... of course o'l Pat had to dip into the till last
year for some of his brighter idea's that lost money...

hth

Monty

    On sales of team items, the Niners would only get a full share of
    the money if they were actually making them and selling them.
    Licensing fees from all NFL licensed products go to NFL Properties
    and the teams and the league share these fees equally.  The Niners
    don't necessarily get more money just because there are more Niners
    items sold.
    
    John

hey Monty, I tm that Pat Blowind as I can see it getting alot of use 
should the donkeys fly again ;^)....

hopefully they'll return to the pits from which they came....

mike

    How can any NFL team lose money ???
    
    An NFL owner who loses money should have to be checked for signs of
    any brain wave activity.
    
    Bob Hunt

    Since I work for an organization that allegedly did just that, I
    better not comment.
    
    John

 
 >>>   Isn't it possible that perhaps the reason the 9ers won the past two
 >>>   superbowls because they performed better on the field???
   
This is a very astute obversation but the complaint isn't about winning 
the SB. The complaint is about the 49'ers organization paying 2nd and 3rd
string players more than other teams can pay their starting players. 
Plan B free agency is supposed to allow players the freedom to sign on with 
the highest paying team. DeBratlo(tm) is using the corporate funds to not 
only keep the existing players but sign on free agents at such a high salary 
that other NFL teams cannot compete. If I was a free agent I'd look to see what 
the 49'ers 2nd string player is getting paid and then ask for that salary. 

Maybe the 49'ers knew this would come down and that is why they traded players 
for Picks in this years draft ?

Jeff

    re .260
    
    Bob, monopolies never lose money ....
    
    DrM

    On losing money:
    
    Remember folks, not all owners/teams have the same deals with the
    stadiums they play in.  Some own the stadium, the facilities, and
    control the concessions. Others lease the stadium, lease facilities,
    and get NO concession money.  These results in some teams having
    higher operating costs.  I'd say a team like Denver would have highter
    operating costs because they would pay more in travel, since all
    the teams they play are ~1000 miles away at least, while east coast
    teams are sometimes a hundred or so miles away.  Also, some of the
    newer owners are playing off humongous loans used to buy their
    toys...er, teams.
    
    JD

    
>     The Donks didn't cry about any of that Bruce. Where are you getting
>    your information? It's bogus.
 
    The Broncos were one of the teams that complained about bonuses
    and the ownership deal.  Bowlen's name was mentioned in an article
    in the SF Chron about 3 weeks ago.
       
>      What the owners are crying about is that even though the Niners 
>    are a team that does nothing but win, they also lose more money than
>    any other team.  The reason? Raises, the bonuses, the furs, trips, 
>    etc. And that's only the things we hear about. 
 
    So what?
            
            
>          In turn, The losses are written off to the parent corporation, 
>    in this case DeBartolo Enterprises or some such. And that is what
>    the other owners are bitchin' about.
            
    What the difference between this and having some well off owner
    who takes the loss?  Its Eddie's company (privately held) so he
    at some point feels the loss.
                                 
>         Not all teams have this luxury for writing off the losses to a 
>    a parent corporation. (And no, the donks are not one of these teams.)
 
    The Broncos did at one time, but changed and as I said what is the
    difference between a privately held company and a single owner?
    
>     There are three other teams that are owned by corporations.   
>    The REdskins, the Vikings, and the Oilers. Those 3 turn a profit or
>    have modest losses. The 9'ers lose more money than any other team.    
 
    So now you want to legislate a law that says the teams must make
    a profit.  I can see it now.  Last game of the season for the Cowboys,
    and they have to lay off Steve Walsh because they aren't profitable.
    
       
>       Bruce, you should know that Jeff is the last person that would
>    be whining about anything. Read his note objectively.    
 
    His title says "Make them pay for 55-10." That's not whining?
                                                                 
    
    BTW-  All of the early NFL teams were owned by corporations, and
    none of them made a profit.
    
    Bruce
                                                                 
    

>================================================================================
>Note 48.255             San Francisco 49ers (officially)              255 of 265
>BSS::MENDEZ                                          14 lines  15-MAY-1990 14:16
>                      -< you are kidding are you not??? >-
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
>    I was wondering Bruce.....
    
>    Isn't it possible that perhaps the reason the 9ers won the past two
>    superbowls because they performed better on the field???
     
>    Do not get me wrong, IF the 9ers are in some illegal act then punish
>    them but, do not contribute their superbowl performance on money. 
>    They just flat out kicked the Broncos butts all over the field!!!
    
>    Frank 9er
 
    
    Franks, did you get me confused with someone else?  That's what
    I've been saying.  Steven doesn't seem to agree though.
    
    Bruce

I sincerely doubt that the 49ers real operating costs exceed what they take in 
from tv money alone much less TV plus ticket sales plus bonus playoff $$$$.

However they may be making the numbers lie in order to show a loss for tax 
purposes.

20-20 did a great show on how big movie production companies make the net profit
for a blockbuster movie as low as possible (or make it show a loss) because many
movie stars have contracts calling for x% of the profits. When the movie never
makes a profit on paper then they don't get a dime of this contract clause. 
After watching it I'm sure that any business dealing in entertainment can make
any profit or loss claim they want to by fudging things.


Metz

Well it's in the paper today... Pat Blowin(tm) is hootin up the 49er's
money deal... Say's he want's little Eddie to do something about the
team being in the godfathers company.... The did say something about takin 
away future draft picks..... Blowin(tm) made some silly comment about you
can buy a winning team...

P.S. Elway said that he may not stay around under his current 4 year contract!!


Monty

Elgay just pissin in the wind cause he wants more money......

 not that it's tough to hate the Donks but Blowin (tm) sure is making
 it even easier.....

 mike

    
    Our paper said Elway plans on honoring the remaining 4 years of his
    contract, but no quotes. 
    
    The Sportschannel quoted Elway as saying, "I don't know", when asked if
    he will honor his remaining contract. 
    
    I for one hope he does. There is absolutely noway, nohow, he will win a
    Super Bowl playing in the game. I have never seen a QB that scared to
    death the minute he stepped on the field as Elway was in the last Super
    Bowl. He is a loser.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    Hoot,
    
    I think you need to ammend your reply.  Elway is not a loser.  He is a
    loser of Superbowls.  A loser doesn't even make it to the big dance. 
    Bernie Kosar is no loser either, but he is a loser of AFC championship
    games.  Jim Kelly and Bubby Brister are not losers, but they are losers
    of playoff games.
    
    Big difference in my book.
    
    	--dan'l
     
    

    Re. Hoot on losers....
    
    I guess you know all about losers considering THAT team you
    root for eh?
    
    Damn I hate getting in here late in the afternoon and missing
    a confrontation with Raider fans!  :^)
    
    ClayBroon

    
    Clay,
    You talking about the team that spanked the donks 3 of the last 4
    meetings, has an incredible winning % vs. the donks, has a 3-1 Super
    Bowl record vs. the donks 0-4 (slaughters)?
    
                                                  HOOT
    

    HOOT,
    
    	Yup, the same team that hasn't been to the playoffs in
    	what, 5-6 years?  We're not talking ancient history
    	here....;^)
    
    ClayBroon

    
    The donks getting slaughtered is also history. When both teams look
    back on their respective histories, one is smiling, the other doesn't
    want to talk about it.

    The donks teams would like to thank YOU for speaking for all
    of them.  From now on, please introduce yerself as the official
    donk spokesperson.......
    
    

    
         I've been reading a lot of sports magazines lately(Prolog,Sports,
    Inside Sports,etc....) that predicts that the 49ers will repeat
    as champs for the 3rd time in a row. Anybody to comment on that!!!???
    I know these predictions aren't always true but I got a hunch the
    49ers will!!!
    
                                                      -bob-

    re .280:
    
    I can't think of a team for which a significantly better case can be
    made, especially in light of how the 49ers not only beat but dominated
    all their playoff opponents.
    
    
    py

    It may be a cliche but the 49ers can only beat themselves.
    
    They have the talent, the experience, the coaching and the desire. 
    They will break the Rams' hearts once again and win their division and
    the home-field advantage and then they'll blow through the playoffs
    untouched.
    
    They can only lose it if they lose their desire and get fat and happy.
    
    Bob Hunt

 No WAY!!!  I wouldn't be surprised if they got knocked out in the first
 round. Besides the fact that the other teams are going to be just too
 hungry, the media has all but given them the title. Many players will
 expect to get by on the clippings.

 mike

Montuna is selling everything from Coke to Running shoes this year. The 
team is allready fat and happy. I can't see a 3-peat. 

Jeff

    This will be the year of the Ram. Lots of young talent as well as some
    good vets. This year Kevin Greene will lead the league in sacks and
    become the most dominate player on any NFL "D". Take it to da bank. 

    Until I see Joe Montana in street clothes in the stands with his wrists
    handcuffed and his mouth gagged, then and only then will I feel safe in
    picking somebody else to win it all ...
    
    Some fools never learn ...
    
    Bob Hunt

    Sorry to leave it in the 49er note, but Re:.285, did Kevin Greene sign
    or not?  That can change a lot in the D as you described it...

    Anybody know whats going on in the 49er camp?  I live in Colorado
    and only get Bronco coverage.  Any surprises in the 9er camp?
    
    Frank Mendez
    

    Tha fourtee-nynirs wil krusch tha broncose twonyte.  The broncose
    succ byg thyme.
    
    mee darinit
    

       They did beat the Broncos, but krush 'em??  Not hardly..  Actually,
    the Broncos 1st string "crushed" the 9'r 1st string.  The 9'r 2nd
    string looked good, since they are who won the game.
    
    		Tj

    	Pre Season exists for A.) The owners to make money off meaningless
    games and B.) Fans to wet themselves over their team.  Nothing that
    happens in football before Labor Day counts.
    
    				/Don

    not true .don, ya want the jets and the points saturday night?
    

    	C.) For idiots to lose money and  D.)To schedule parties around.

    
    E.)  To weed out the healthy players before the season starts.
    

    reply to .290
    
    Do you really believe that the 49ers had their first string in the game
    last night?  I guess you do not know about all of the hold outs such
    as Haley, Fagan, Sapolu, Brooks etc.  Also the 9er's were mising
    Griffin and Wright, and Dixon in secondary.  Don't mis-understand
    me, Elway looked good last night but that was NOT the first string
    for the niners this coming season.
    
    Frank 9er Mendez
    

>>    me, Elway looked good last night but that was NOT the first string
    
Perhaps Elway played well last night, Frank, but he didn't look good 8^)

I've seen better beards on a peach!

'Saw

      Good point about the starters, but Dixon??  He's a wash out...  IMO,
    These holdouts might be good (not all of 'em), but they don't have the
    want to play the game, because if they did, they would be in camp. Also 
    they must not be as good as they are asking for.  Montana held out
    and got a BIG raise, but these other guys haven't proven themselves
    individually like Joey has.
    
      I don't respect people when they holdout since these guys have a
    contract. At least Elway hasn't pulled this stunt!!!  And yes 'Saw,
    Elway can't grow a beard, but who cares as long as he wins??
    
    		Tim

    Gee Tim, lasted Monday Elway didn't win. I guess that means a little
    beard bashing is in order. 

      DD,   I never claimed Elway was worth looking at.  My statement was
    as long as he wins, thats all that matters, right?
    
    	Tim

    chill tim, have some fun.. have one of frankwas  shrooms.. just
    
    throw the shots out.. everyones a big boy  in here..
    
    enjoy.. relieve the stress...
    
    wildman
    

    
    I don't think you can really look at who the 49ers played at one
    particular point in the game and say they are/aren't starters.  The key
    to the 49ers is the incredible depth, especially on defense.  Many of
    the players who were playing in the second half may end up as starters
    and many of the first half players won't be starting.  When you've got
    someone whose been to multiple Pro Bowls like Fred Smerlas playing in
    the 2nd half of the game, whose to say whose a starter and who isn't? 
    It is not even accurate to look at who starts the game game for the
    49ers and say that that player is/isn't ahead of another player on the
    depth chart.
    
    Bruce

    Let me put it this way.   Sapolu, Fagan, Haley, and Brooks will be
    starters.  None of them were there on monday night.
    

    Any ideas on why the starting offense can't score much? I think
    they have scored 7 points in the last 2 games.
    
    BoB

    	Probably all the offensive lineman who aren't there.

    Sounds like a hard luck story. 
    Sherard gave all appearances of making this team.
    If so, who is likely to be bumped off the roster?
    
    BoB

      I thought Joey could do it all on his own?
    
      Wilson would be the guy maybe?
    
      Pass 'em shrooms....Awe, thats beeettttttr

I was just bashing Elway's beard because it looks so funny.

Some men can't grow a decent beard.  (I had a buddy in college who
looked hilarious wif a beard).  Elway should stick with his face
clean shaven...

JMHO,
'Saw

PS  Ain't them shrooms the best!?

    reply to bob and tim
    
    In past preseason history the 9ers tend to look at alot of people
    before any real decisions are made.  
    
    Of course the real reason is that they wasted all their points in
    last years superbowl!!!!!! Smiley thingy goes here
    
    Frank 9er Mendez
    

    re .303 The 9ers only use simple, basic plays in pre season. The
    kind teams like the broncos can handle. Don't expect this to be
    the case opening night. 

    
    Tj,
    
         I think it's embarrasing for the Bronk's to get beaten by the 2nd
    stringers of the niners. besides what you were calling the 1st
    stringers of the 9'ers in that game weren't the real 1st stringers(like
    somebody mentioned in this conference). and since it is only a
    pre-season game the 2nd stringers or you might say the rookie players
    will show off their stuff. don't get me wrong on this but to me the 
    9'ers always start the season slow(even on pre-season games) but by the
    middle of the season they come on strong. Like the papers are saying it
    is an"open season for the niners". almost every team will get a shot at
    the niners to prevent them from making a 3-peat and every team has
    a chance of doing it unless they blow it-take monday's night game
    against the saints. the saints had been given every chance they have
    but still they blew the game away thru bad play calling and some good
    plays by the niners. i wouldn't be surprised if the niners survive this
    season if they always play games like this monday night.
    
    -bob-

    Roger Craig tore a knee ligament in San Francisco's victory over the 	
    Houston Oilers on Sunday and the running back will be out indefinitely
    . Coach George Seifert said Craig Tore the prosterior cruciate ligament
    in his right knee.
    
                                   THE THRILL
    

    Well, I don't know what was meant by "tore", but if it's really
    blown, it's a full year of rehab ahead, IF the operation succeeds.
    
    Lee

    I understand that he will be out a minimum of 2 weeks.  Reports
    did state that Roger Craig has not been put on injured reserve so
    maybe it is not that bad?  Who know?
    
    Who is the backup to Roger?  I am thinking that either Harry Sidney
    or Dexter Carter will see alot of action.
    
    Frank 9er Mendez
    

    It was probably a partial tear at worst, because Craig walked into the
    locker room under his own power - hence the rehab will probably be rest
    and conditioning work for a couple weeks - he may not even need
    scoping.

    
    
    Niners win again, by beating Pittsburgh 27-7.
    They finally scored on the ground, twice by
    FB Tom Rathman.  Next opponent would be the 
    Cleveland Browns.
    
    
    
                
    

    I heard that Roger Craig could play if it was a big game (playoff).
    Is there any word on when he will be back?? 
    
    
    Neil

    USA Today reports that Craigs knee strain is more serious than
    originally thought and is out indefinitely. What does everyone
    think about his back-up Dexter Carter?? I'm thinking of IRing Craig
    in my FFL and maybe picking up Carter but I haven't seen much
    of him. I'm wondering if he could be a sleeper for me looks 
    as if he had a good game last week...
    
    
     
    Neil
    
    
    

 Neil, one thing to consider about Carter he also gives you an extra scoring
 threat because he returns punts and KO. He does seem to be prone to a fumble
 here and there and San Fran just scored their first two rushing td's this past
 weekend.......

 give the 49er's O he should get some decent chances, but I suspect anything
 inside the 5 will be handle by Rathman because he's a more sure handed ball
 handler...

 mike

    Thanks for the info, I also have Rathman as my third back..I like backs
    who get combine yardage they seem to be the way to go with these leagues..
          
    
    

    Well I picked up Carter and started an all San Fran. back field for 
    my FFT. I hope it works out I'm going head to head against one of the
    strongest teams in the league. 
    
    Way I see the game Joe throws 35-40 times maybe 15 to backs, 5 to Jones
    who also have and 20 to the wide outs. They should run the ball maybe
    20 times 10 Carter/5 Rathman and 5 Craig. Yes I said Craig USA reports 
    today that will mostly see some action Sunday it's up to George. But 
    they reported yesterday he was out indefinitely. I didn't know
    indefinitely meant 24 hrs. we'll see. I'm looking for a big win this
    week final 38 - 10 San Fran.
    
    
    Neil

    ......super bowl 20.5 is two weeks away!   how many points are the
    49ers going to beat the Giants by and who will be the key players?
    
    I think the 49ers will win by 14...Montana is up for the task and will
    bring his level of play up one notch (if that's possible) I also see
    Rice/Taylor alot of action for the Giants corners to handle!  I see the
    Giants shutting down the 49ers run! so it's on Joe's shoulders!
    
    what do you think?
    
    -goose

    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    If the 9er's score 31 points they'll win, I think the score will be
    more of a 21 (Giants) 13 (Niners) game.
    
    Chip_GSH_Bach

    I'll agree with .323, favoring the Giants if it's a ball-control game
    and the 49ers if it becomes more of a wide-open game.
    
    
    py

    I think the Giants are going to get beat by Philly this week and then
    come storming back to beat the 49ers on a cold night in SF.
    
    

    da Rams will end da niner's streak this week. 

 These are the same Rams who just lost to the Cowboys, right ???
 
 Rams are toast.  They oughtta tape "1991" on their helmets to remind them
 of their next important game.
 
 Bob Hunt

    Mock me o ye unbeliever, the Rams will win.

    
    No need to mock you, the Rams are already a mockery.  Where are the
    Johnny Robinson defenders these days?
    
    Bruce, whose been _very_ kind so far this year

    The 49ers and Giants will both go into their showdown with 1 loss,
    because the Rams will beat the Niners and Philly will beat the Giants.
    
    Joe

    reply -1, good instincs....The Niners and the Giants both Dropped
    hard, I dont think either one of them wanted to stay undefeated.
    The only upset is that If chicago could have beat the Vikings wed
    have a closer race for the #1 and #2 division Champs in the NFC.
    Hope the Giants can beat San Fran Next week, I dont want SF to have
    home field advantage.....
    					Would_Hate_To_See_a_THREE_PEAT

>> Rams are toast.  They oughtta tape "1991" on their helmets to remind them
>> of their next important game.
    
    
    Maybe NOW, but they did stop the RedArmy (tm) from crossing into pro
    football immortality. Nice pick by Newsome and the last TD drive reminded
    me of what the Rams were capable of. Maybe they will go nowhere this
    year but they did stop the 'Niners when it counted and countered with a
    brilliant time consuming drive that drove the nail in the coffin.
    Better luck against the Jints.

    

    
         Like George Siefert said "This is the best defensive game that
    this team had played". It was a good game alright, with the defense
    both carrying both teams to what their records in the W-L columns says
    right now. Both quarterbacks-Montana & Simms had a bad day due to good
    plays by the defense of both teams. Credit the 49ers win due to bad
    call by Parcells on 4th & goal and a good goal line stand by the 9ers
    on that particular play. But if the Giants made that play then it would
    another story. What counts the most though is that the defense played
    the pass well- they're ranked at 24 out of 28 teams and also that the 
    running game came alive in the winding down minutes of the game thru
    some good running by Carter & Sydney who are spelling in for Craig.
    After this kind of game I won't be surprise if the 49ers go undeafeated
    in their remaining games coz' they're usually strong at this time of
    the year.
    
    -bob-

    I just caught a very incredible rumor.  Word is that Bill Walsh has
    been offered the Tampa Bay coaching job.  Rumor is that he will not
    accept the gracious offer.   Lou Holtz is lobbying for the Tampa Bay
    spot.  Finally, the last rumor I heard was if Holtz leaves ND, Walsh
    will replace him as the Irish coach.  
      
    Greg

    Are you RedArmy (tm) fans ready to git stomped by the Rams like you did
    in Candlestick? Can't wait to see JoeDantana (tm) get crushed by the
    awesome rams "D". 

    Hey Jess, do they let you note from CXO4 now? ;-)

    Although its not likely the Rams would have to win the last 3 to even
    think of having a shot at a wildcard berth that combined with SF
    clinching it would normally have me thinking that SF may play a little
    soft.......Not this time, this is going to be payback time for SF, they
    would have a perfect season still rolling if it wasnt for the rams, I
    think SF will be out to porve that the rams victory was a fluke.....I
    think this will be a highlight game of the weekend.  I like to see the
    rams stay alive but the smart money will go on SF...
    
    Not a SF fan but no how to handle realty....
    I dont get to see many SF games but I did notice
    that the OL likes to swing out there legs when they
    fall down (Attempting to trip DL persuit)...
    Not convinced that they do it more than any other
    team but they dont seem to hide it well and dont see
    to get called on it ????

    Hey Jesse
    When do you think great underachieving coach of the Lambs will get
    fired.  Robinson reminds me alot of Dean "Snuffy" Smith in that he
    has lots of excellent losses.  The 49ers are about ready to start
    the playoff machine up.  I have noticed that most experts were saying
    that the 9er pass defense was suspect.  In the last two weeks the pass
    defense has been very solid even with Lott not playing this past week.
    The so called experts were also saying that the 9er rushing game was
    in deep doo doo.  Well this past sunday the 9ers rushed for over 200
    yards.  I am just hoping and waiting for the 9ers to put it all
    together in the same game.  When and if they do, look out NFL.  BTW
    the lambs always play the 9ers tough but I am expecting a big 9er win
    on the road.  Just remember though the real season begins in about 4
    weeks.
    
    Frank Mendez
    

The Niners aren't doing that good of a job covering the spread this
year. 

That doesn't mean they're not good... they are. The line doesn't
determine how good a team is, however, it does indicate how good the
bettors believe the team to be in relationship to the team being played.
Given that, the Niners are not as good as people think.

Mike JN

>    The so called experts were also saying that the 9er rushing game was
>    in deep doo doo.  Well this past sunday the 9ers rushed for over 200
>    yards.  

     Cincinnati played a defense of 6 defensive backs throughout almost
     all of the game.  They allowed San Fransisco to run the ball as much
     as they wanted, knowing they could thereby "shorten" the game, and
     hopefully, it would give them a chance to win a close game at the end.
     It almost worked.  Anyone who would go by the results of Sunday's game
     and say that San Fransisco is starting to get its running game in gear
     probably didn't see the game.  If they did, and still feel its reliable
     proof, they don't know that much about football.

    According to this notesfile & the NFL notesfile the niners have
    become the most hated team in football. Success must breed bashing,
    I'll be looking forward to more of the same in the next month &
    a half, and probably next year as well!!!

    
    Now I wouldn't say the 9ers are the most *hated* team in all of
    football, at least in this file.  And yes, there is some truth to the
    statement that success breeds bashing (see Donks and Celtics notes.)
    
    Now take the Patriots (PLEASE!).  Anybody who could actually *hate*
    this hapless, pathetic, pitiful, team [sic] is probably the same type
    of person who would mutilate puppies, sell his sister, and kick the tin
    cup out of the frostbitten fingers of a poor street unfortunate.
    
    Dickstah
    

    Re: -1
    
    the 49ers are one of the few California teams that I don't absolutely
    loathe.
    
    Mike

       Re .343
    
         Dickstah,
            When you send my sister back with that 5 spot, have her
    stop by the SPCA and pick up another dog. On this cold winters
    eve, I think I'll go to the poorer part of town and give my
    legs a workout. :^>
    
    Bull~
    

    Its not bashing its an opionion...I dont like the Idea of SF having
    more SB wins then Pittsburg...Even if SF won the next 3 SB's in a
    row they have not shown the greatness of mid 70 steelers......They
    dominated there openents.  SF pulls out so many last min victories
    they havent earned the respect that a tru 12-1 team may.....If they
    can start beating people in the 1st 3 qtrs and put in some backups at
    the end of the game to give some starters a rest Ill believe they are
    great and deserve to win, untill then I think they rely too much on
    last min (lucky) victories....to unpredictable, they should be winnin
    every game by atleast 7-10 pts (thats greatness) 1-3 = lucky...

    
    re boguss::erickson:
    
    It's cocky notes like yours that will make the niners the most hated
    team in football.  They've been known for not showing much bravado
    (unlike a lot of teams that win) which has made them less unpopular.
    
    
    re .346
    
    The niners win much too many last minute games to consider it luck. 
    They continue to do it, and are successful.  Five years from now people
    won't remember how they won, just that they won.  How many of the
    Steelers victories were of the last second variety?
    
    Bruce  

    You also don't set an NFL record for most consecutive wins on the road
    (which the Niners did this past Sunday) by merely being lucky.
    
    
    py

    Seems to me that many people thought Bradshaw was such a great QB
    because he rallied the Steelers to a lot of late-game wins.
    
    Lee

    Yo Mendez, The Rams will crush the '9ers again this week. 
    
    I am a total Rams fan but I don't hate the '9ers, look it up in my
    intro reply. I DO root against them when they are in a playoff race
    with the Rams, and especially when they play the Rams. 
    
    Gary will have 150+ yds rushing, no fumbles and three tds. Joe Dantana
    and the Red Army (tm) will be held to 13 pts. Look for the Rams to win
    going away. 31-13.
    
    

    re laguna::may_br
     what did I say that was "cocky". Don't let my opinions disturb
    you, there only intended to voice my outlook on what I believe to
    be true in the NFL. If you see things differently I am willing to
    listen without putting a label on your opinions.  

    Hey Debil-dog Hernandez
    
    You forget that the game is on the road and that the 9ers are so
    "lucky". My guess is that the 9ers will win on a "lucky" throw from 
    "lucky" Montana to a "lucky" Taylor.  The 9ers will then kick a "lucky" 
    extra point and get another "lucky" road win.  
    Boy those 9ers do everything by "luck" and mirrors!!!
    
    Frank 9er Mendez

    All those things you listed arnet lucky, look at them to get a LUCKY
    bounce or more likely a bad call by the ref to give them a LUCKY call.
    A TD throw isnt lucky....But if theres 3 questionable calls and a lucky
    turnover to set it up then its a lucky win.    I wouldnt mind seeing
    the rams win this one, they could actually be in the Wildcard hunt if
    they win there last 3 (not likely)...But I think SF will have a score
    to settle and win this one for real, not by 3 or 6 they will WIN IT by
    something like 35-17.......Hope Im wrong...
    								Mike

    To Bubblehaid Mendez 8^), Where have I ever said that the '9ers was
    lucky? The rams will win, bottom line.
    
    re -1 you is wrong, the Rams will win.

    Yo debil-dog
    
    I was just commenting on the dude in here that says the 9ers are
    "lucky".  That really cracks me up.  Actually the Rams should play
    the 9ers tough as always.  They posted a stat on sunday that was
    pretty interesting.  Seems like old "lucky" Joe has brought the 
    9ers back to victory in the last minutes of a game quite a few times.
    As a matter of fact the game on Sunday was the 29th time.  I guess
    old "lucky" Joe must of brought his 4 leaf clover with him from
    Notre Dame.  In the words of Super Mex Lee Trevino "I'd rather be
    lucky than good".  Incidentally Jesse, even if the 9ers never win
    another superbowl or get to another superbowl, I will stand by them
    and remember the 80's as the decade of Joe Montana and the boys from
    the Bay.
    
    Frank 9er Mendez  

    >>Incidentally Jesse, even if the 9ers never win
    >>another superbowl or get to another superbowl, I will stand by them
    >>and remember the 80's as the decade of Joe Montana and the boys from
    >>the Bay.           
    
    
    Sure. I'll agree with that.
    
    

    As a Nine-admirer/Ram-despiser from afar,if the Rams win,it will just
    be another Rams victory when it don't matter. Refer to the playoff
    game last year when the Rams' true lack of cojones surfaced.
    
    
    ML