Conference 7.286::sports_90

    Okay, here's an unofficial contest to get this note off to a
    rip-roaring start:
    
    Successfully predict when the Nuggets will win their first real game
    under resident unconvicted felon-genius Paul Westhead.
    
    I'm guessing it'll be after Thanksgiving, and I'll also bet they're the
    first team in a *long* time not to reach double-digit wins in a season.
    (This is all assuming Westhaid doesn't get fired long before then,
    which is a big assumption, but then again anybody dumb enough to hire
    him in the first place is capable of just about anything.  :^( )
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    
    	A contest?  Does this one have Dan as the predetermined
    	winner too?  :^)
    
    	Claybroon

Denver Nuggets?

I heard that they took Rocky Mountain Oyster, deep fried them, and
sold them at McDenverDonalds as Denver Nuggets....

HTH,
'Saw

	Nov. 15th, at McNichols Arena against the Minnesota Timberwolves.

	Jim M

    The Nuggets will win by 15 points against the Supersonics on the
    9th.
    
    The Wizard

    Hah hah very funny guys. 
    
    But apparently none of you appreciate the gravity of the matter.  First 
    you've got a "coach" who lent a fair hand (IMHO) in the tragic and 
    unnecessary death of a fine young man.  Then you've got that 
    "coach" rewarded for his reckless and self-serving behavior by getting 
    promoted to the NBA.  And lastly you've got that "coach" employing a
    "system" that lends much credence to the idea that the NBA is nothing
    but a circus sideshow act.
    
    New England fans should take heart though.  Their football team,
    despite only one win, has the same number as the perennial Super Bowl 
    losers, and their hoops team, though old and decrepit, can still muster
    respectibility and hold their heads high.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    Anyone got a schedule?

    Next contest ...
    
    Will the Nuggets be the first team to score 200 points in a game ???
    
    When and where ???
    
    Will the Nuggets be the first team to allow 200 points in a game ???
    
    When and where ???
    
    Void where prohibited.  McDonald's employees are not eligible.
    
    Bob Hunt
    
    P.S.   Westhead does have an NBA ring on his finger.  He coached the
    1980 Lakers to the crown.   That's more rings than coaches Doug Moe,
    Larry Brown, Don Nelson, and Cotton Fitzsimmons have combined.

    Larry Brown and Cotton Fitzsimmons are in great position for a ring now
    though.
    
    Mike

    > That's more rings than coaches Doug Moe, Larry Brown, Don Nelson, and 
    > Cotton Fitzsimmons have combined.
    
    God bless MrT who, if he were around, would say "Yea, but how many
    people have Moe, Brown, Nelson, or Fitzsimmons keelt?"
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    Don Nelson has a few rings as a player (at least 3).
    
    John

    Tomorrow vs. houston...

    Nuggets drop another one.  Walt Ashe eliminated. (Did you *really* think
    Denver was gonna get a win against a non-expansion team on the road?)
    
    
    - Nuggets_fan_and_Westhaid_idolator Chris

Just wait until Chris Jackson gets back in the lineup {next week?}  I read
that he had his best practice as a Nugget the day after he got out of the
hospital.  They just don't have the right mix of players to play the game.

I'm a fan of Westhead's style.  I think by the middle of the season, teams
will dread having to come into Denver to run and gun... especially teams like
Boston, Detroit, Milwaukee.

    Is it true that JugHaid Westhaid is trying to trade for Terry
    Cummings?!
       
    MrT

    RE: -1
    
    I haven't heard that, but even if he were, Denver has nothing to offer
    and the Spurs probably aren't even interested.  Cummings is a MAJOR
    part of San Antonio!
    
    Mike

	I'm pretty sure Mr. Shaughnessy was making an attempt to lure us
into another discussion about the circumstances surrounding Hank Gathers'
death.	  If I'm not mistaken, Terry Cummings suffers from a  heart defect
similar to what  Gathers was being treated for prior to his death.


Chap

    Chap, I know.  I've gone on record before saying that T is a master at
    baiting people and I really enjoy the way OTHERS fall for it EVERY
    time.
    
    I thought Cummings had a murmur(sp?)?
    
    Mike

	Mike, I just wanted to spit out the bait before someone else
swallowed it, and we got into another T diatribe.

	I'm not sure what the problem is with Cummings' heart, but around
the time of Gathers' death I heard/read something about the problems being
similar.

Chap

    T has started more brushfires today than a crazed forest ranger.
    
    			I love it!  8^)
    
    				/Don

    I believe T is just trying out his new dcl routine that randomly steals
    other noters' p_names."   8^) 

    Good observation Bruce.  Considering his shady past, you can't blame
    MorT for trying to right himself and follow in my footsteps.  But are
    we going to hold our breath for the intellectual honesty?  
    
    Dan

    >shady past
    
    One innocent college prank amounts to a shady past?  What about YOU
    and the rigged contest!  Or your well-documented penchant for making
    up "facts" upon which to keep your airhaided arguments afloat?!  
    
    Take yesterday, you made some wild statements about how I'd "distorted"
    a certain infractions report and one day later here comes the wire
    services article... proving poor MrT right once again.  Of course, no
    Dan.  Dan moves on when fact catches up with his Incredible Perpetual
    Obfuscation Machine.
    
    I'm a truth-teller, a_unflinching advocate of cutting through the bull
    and nailing down the objective truth for all to see.  This is why you
    torment me so.  You'd rather propagate your fantastic assertions like
    like so many bad karma hallucinations emanating from the brain of Howard 
    Cossell after a fifth of J&B and 1,800 mike of acid.
    
    As for ol' JugEars, Paul Westhaid (he really *should* have those big
    flaps clipped), he DESERVES the mentions.  Is it baiting for me to
    remind our community here that this ambitious man who was once fired by
    Magic Johnson actually ran a crippled youth to death and refused to allow
    the proper medical equipment be kept on hand cuz he was skeert that it 
    would hurt sales?  
    
    Jughaid should be banned from coaching at *any* level after what he did.
    You guys might swallow the PR cover up story orchestrated by NBC and ESPN
    and the NCAA who were more interested in $1.5 billion than having the
    ugly truth come out but I'm held to no such nasty restraints!
    
    MrT

>    As for ol' JugEars, Paul Westhaid (he really *should* have those big
    
    T, you have to (tm) that one!  Too funny ;-)
    
    Mike

    Nuggets drop to 0-4, worst in the league.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    >One innocent college prank amounts to a shady past?  What about YOU
    >and the rigged contest!  Or your well-documented penchant for making
    >up "facts" upon which to keep your airhaided arguments afloat?!  
    
    No, but your forgery is merely the highlight of a long list of noting
    and intellectually dishonest sins.  By the way, I've backed up my facts
    *every* time.  And as long as documented evidence supports my
    arguments, which it does, I can laugh freely and longly at your
    characterization of them as "airhaided", which must be a description of
    how most of most honest argument sails through the air right over your
    own head.
    
    But you're not doing a very good job of following in my footsteps.  The
    p-name is a start, but perhaps huge doses of phenol-barbital every
    morning might help.
       
    Dan

    
    YO, maybe you should rename this note file to the 
    
           " NUGGETS/WESTHEAD BASH NOTE "
    
    
    " THE DREWSKI "
    
    
    

    Hmmm, mebbe you're right, Dan.  Couple handfuls of phenol-barbitol
    every morn and MrT cain finally approximate the level of mental
    alertness displayed by you.
    
    As for your documentation, here are some arguments for which you've
    failed to supply any such thing and/or ignored that of others:
    
    - Designated Geek
    - Illinois infractions
    - Phil-the-Shill
    - James Worthless
    - Bob's coaching prowess
    - Bob's moral leadership
    - Dean Smith's talent wastage
    - Alleged bias in competency tests
    
    
    .... to name just a few.  Don't worry, it's not that we don't luv you.
    It's just that, in here anyways, you are the textual equivalent of the
    gum-chewing randy slut boldly recrossing fleshy legs for all to see
    wearing overdone make-up but basically somewhere between stupefying to
    confusing to dangerous whenver she speaks.
    
    Go Nuggets.
    
    MrT

    >As for your documentation, here are some arguments for which you've
    >failed to supply any such thing and/or ignored that of others:
    
    But your enemy, The Truth, states that I supplied facts for all of
    them.  The real shame of it is that you've felt compelled (by severe
    embarrassment one would think) to delete all your old notes in those
    discussions, and now you're trying to re-write history.  It is somewhat
    gratifying for me that you are obviously ashamed at what you have
    written in here, and I'm quite sure the lies you've presented in the
    previous note will one day disappear as well.  They don't stand the
    test of time nearly so well as truth, do they?
    
    Dan

    Nuggets fall to 0 and 6 after being utterly humiliated by Phoenix
    last night.  (They were down by an even FORTY (!!) at *halftime*.)
    
    Oh my that Westhaid.  What a coach!!
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

       Gave up 107 points by halftime. A truly disgusting 'basketball'
    team!
                                 Denny

 Bob Ryan had a great comment about the Nuggets as a fan when you go to the
 game you want to go out there with 4 players from the oppossions' squad. You
 could easily score 12 points on layups alone...

 mike

    Maybe we should hold a "guess who'll be the first team to score 200
    points against the Nuggets" contest...
    
    
    py

    Old idea, Paul.
    
    See 406.8 ...
    
    Bob Hunt

    Did Detriot(tm) get anything from Denver for Anthony Cook?

    Yup - a second round draft choice in (I believe) 1993.
    
    NAZZ

    He wouldn't sign... didn't think he'd get enough playing time...
    Went to Greece last year, had to get something for the rights...

    Just when I think it's hard to be a Bronco fan, I check out this
    year's version of the Nug-Nugs. 
    
    BoB

    I go along with Doug Ross and think that the Nuggets and this scheme
    will work - given time.  That's the big factor time - if the owners
    panic and can Westhead, then it won't work out.  It's still VERY
    early yet...
    
    ONe thing - is there anyone in the NBA more suitable to be the 'star'
    of this system then Orlando Woolridge?  He's perfect for it - and
    his numbers so far have been outstanding.   I'd go more witha
    traditional lineup and not start Davis at forward - go with a bigger
    guy and bring Wally off the bench.
    
    JD

Chris Jackson seems to be doing well in the system... 20+ points/game
since coming back on > 50% shooting.  

There's going to come a day {by the end of December} when the Nuggets
will have the right lineup on the floor for most of the game and will
take control... It's an adjustment.  How long did it take for Loyola
to make the transition?   Also, I've noticed that they are not shooting
as many treys as Loyola used to.   

It's a personnel problem... Jackson, Woolridge, and Lichti starting and
Walter Davis coming off the bench seem fine.  Know who would probably help
them?  A guy like Muggsy Bogues... They need a run-all-night, push-it-up
assist guy in the backcourt to let Jackson just worry about scoring.  A
Sean Kemp.. a Danny Ainge.. They need those kind of players.  

I hope they give them til next year... even if the Nuggets do lousy this
year, their's a couple players who coould help the system a lot next
year - Stacy Augmon, Kenny Anderson, Larry Johnson.  

    	You mean you guys honestly believe that you don't have to play
    defense to win in the NBA?  Westhead's system in college was to
    give up 2 to get 3.  That ain't going to cut it in the big time.
    
    				/Don

I think the defense part of it is going to come with the right personnel
and the right mindset.   I would imagine Westhead's theories on defense
are much more complex than "Give 2, get 3".  There's got to be some notion
of forcing the other team to shoot :

	a) more quickly than they REALLY want to
	b) from low percentage areas for each player
	c) with emphasis on being in the position to rebound and GO!---->

Has Denver built a 10 point lead yet in any game?  That's when I would
expect the system to really put the pressure on the opponent.

    
    re.44
    
    Good point about the defensive side of the game for the Nuggets. 
    If you really look at the game you only need defense in the key
    moments of the game (PROVIDED YOUR SHOOTERS ARE MAKING THE BASKETS),
    in essence only play defense when you have too. And with a young team
    why not go for it. Its a fun fast pace game(Like going to gym and 
    playing a game of 5 on 5 full court to 15 by ones).
    
    I like Westhead's Philosophy about the game very simple out score and	
    out run your opponents and let whatever defense your players have 
    learned in college/practice take it's natural course. Of course the key 
    to this kinda game is having strong guards that can push the ball and 
    control the game tempo. And also a Coach who's when to take the right 
    time outs and exchange offense players for defense player and give
    players plenty of rest after the games. I believe these Pro Players
    should be able to play the whole game at a high speed that's what you
    have a bench for and thats what they all get payed the big bucks for.
    
    
    " THE DREWSKI "
     

Tonight the 0-7 Nuggets face the slowest and lowest point scoring team
in the NBA the Minnesota Timberwolves. 

This could be very interesting. 

I Expect a Nugget's WIN

Jeff

    I thought the lowest scoring team was Sacramento.... Minny has the best
    D.

Nuggets beat Minnesota easily last night... 121-108

>< Note 406.4 by MPO::MCFALL "She's myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy baby" >
>                                 -< I predict >-
>
>	Nov. 15th, at McNichols Arena against the Minnesota Timberwolves.
>
>	Jim M

    First prize, a ticket to see the Nuggets.
    
    Second prize, *two* tickets to see the Nuggets.
    
    Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

I'm going to be in Colorado Springs in January for the week of the 14th.

	a) Will the Nuggets be at home anytime during that week?

	b) What's the ticket situation like?

	c) How long of a drive is it from Colorado Springs to Denver?

	> a) Will the Nuggets be at home anytime during that week?
		I dunno.
    
	> b) What's the ticket situation like?
    		You can get them at the ticket booth and walk in
    		provided it's not a top notch team (Lakers, Celts, Bulls)

	> c) How long of a drive is it from Colorado Springs to Denver?
    		45 - 60 minutes depending on how fast you drive.
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

	> a) Will the Nuggets be at home anytime during that week?
	home vs. Charlotte on the 16th and vs. Spurs on the 19th
	Jim M

Last night's Home win there were abou 4000 fans total in a 17,000 fan arena. 

    Nuggets drop to 1-8 after being humiliated by Portland on their home
    floor by more than 30 points.  (143-112)
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    1-9 after another rout on their home floor to the Lakers.  (Soon to be
    1-10 - next stop is the Lakers again, this time at the Forum.)
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    I heard this morning on KOA that the Nuggets will have Michael Adams on
    the floor tonight and that Terry Mills will sign today, so he will also
    be on the floor tonight.  That might speed the game up abit.
    
    Re: Chris - Hey why don't you give it a rest.  We know you don't like
    Westhead.  We know you consider him a criminal element.  Probably the
    entire reason for you starting this note is to slam him as opposed to
    having a reasonable conversation re the Nuggets and I guess that's ok,
    but why don't you give the wind a chance.  
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    Sorry, no_can_do Glenn.  The ugly truth surrounding Westhead demands to
    be heard, especially in light of the lightweight treatment being given
    him by the national media.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    Is the lightweight treatment in regards to Loyola-Marymount, or
    to his trying to work a new system into the pros.
    
    His game reminds of the run and shoot in the NFL, it will win games,
    but I don't think it will win champeenships.  The jury is still
    out as to whether or not will work at all in the nBA.
    
    JD

	This has probably been asked already, but why isn't Dick Motta getting
as much critism for his 'snail-crawl-pace' offense (and his 1-7 record) as
Westhead is for his up-tempo system???

JimH

    RE: Westhead vs Motta
    
    Probably because Sacremento almost has a tradition of losing, where
    Denver doesn't.
    
    Fun Fact For Friday (virtual Friday):
    Denver has NEVER had a winning season on the road.
    Denver has NEVER had a losing season at home.
    
    Looks like times are a changing 8^)
    
    The Wizard

	>This has probably been asked already, but why isn't Dick Motta 
    	>getting as much critism for his 'snail-crawl-pace' offense 
    	>(and his 1-7 record) as Westhead is for his up-tempo system???
    
    Because Chris is predominately doing the criticizing and he hates 
    Westhead.  He feels it's his duty to tell the untold story of Westhead.  
    How silly of you Jim!  Get with the program.
    
    Glenn

    Bumper sticker seen in a traffic jam....
    
    GO BRONCOS! (and take the Nuggets with you)
    
    Shame on those fickle, fickle fans.
    
    BoB

The Nuggets out scored the Magic last night 124-113...

They actually outran the Magic in the Fourth quarter 39-20. 

    Nuggets beat Sacramento last night for their 2nd consecutive win,
    136-128.
    
    Joe

    Is Terry Mills playing at all?

    He didn't play at all last night.
    
    

    The Nuggets blew a 20-point lead and lost the the Cavs 121-117.  Denver
    only scored 3 points in the final 3:30 of the game.  This was easily
    their best chance for a road win so far this season.  Nuggets are in
    Boston tonight.
    
    Joe

    
    
       ...and people think the Broncos get the home calls!
    
      Last nights Boston/Nugget matchup was a travesty and injustice
    to all those hard working people that wear a referees uniform.
    
      I'm appalled at such a one-sided affair.
    
      The Nuggets are getting there folks, and as soon as the refs start
    calling the game equally, they will become a force. 
    
      ...Just a little more time, just a little more time....
      
    
    Steven
    
    

The Nuggets will win more than they lose after January 1.

    For the record the Nuggets are 3-14 right now, a .176%.
    
    I'll bet you're wrong Doug, but even if you're not does this mean
    Westhaid is all_of_a_sudden right and his philosophy valid?  
    
    Consider that Denver was much more than just a .500 team for alot of
    years with Doug Moe at the helm.  
    
    
    - ACC Chris

>    For the record the Nuggets are 3-14 right now, a .176%.

And what do you think they would have been with Moe in charge of that
cast of characters?
    
>    I'll bet you're wrong Doug, but even if you're not does this mean
>    Westhaid is all_of_a_sudden right and his philosophy valid?  

Of course it does!  If the team wins more games than it loses over 
an extended period, then they are doing right!   With such mixed bag
of talent, a .500 record would have been Coach of the Year material 
for Westhead.
    
>    Consider that Denver was much more than just a .500 team for alot of
>    years with Doug Moe at the helm.  

        But what about last year?   And what were the prospects for this
	year?   That's all that matters.

    > Hank Gathers killed Hank Gathers, not Westhead
    
    Ah, nothing like going right to the 'heart' of the matter, eh Doug? 
    This ugly business has already been discussed at length but, for the
    record, let me reaffirm my opinion that Westhead contributed mightily
    to Hanks death and not only will go unpunished but was actually
    rewarded by getting a promotion to the NBA.  
    
    If you disagree, ask yourself this question.  If Westhead does the
    proactive and righteous thing, which is to not allow Hank to play, and
    LMU goes .500 and doesn't make the NCAA tourney - practically a given
    I'd say - does Westhead get the Nuggets job?  [no]
    
    As to Doug Moe, there's absolutely no question in my mind that Denver
    would be around .500 right now if he were there coach.  Anybody got
    their record from last year handy?
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    
     I agree with Doug. No way the Nuggets would be playing .500 ball
    with their current cast of characters.
    
     If you watch the Nuggets, their style of play is not all that
    different than it was with Doug Moe, but the names are different.
    
     Gone are Schayes, Lever (probably the best all-around guard in the
    league), and English (highest scorer in the decade).
    
     Now they have Joe Wolf (who?), Marcus Liberty, Anthony Cook, Chris
    Jackson, and Woolridge. The only names from last years team would
    be Adams, Rasmussen, WDavis and Lichti. 
    
     Bottom line: *NO* experience on the bench. 90% rookies. There ain't a
    coach in the league that's gonna get .500 ball out of those guys.
    
     I like what Westhead is doing. He's not that far away from turning
    their record around.
    
    
       STeven
    
    
      

    Agreed .... having Micheal Adams back has made a massive difference in
    this team, and wait until Chris jackson gets settled in ...

>The only names from last years team would be Adams, Rasmussen, WDavis 
>and Lichti. 
 
And Adams was hurt for much of the start of the season; Walter Davis is
well past his prime; and Lichti didn't get a whole lot of PT last year.
Throw in Woolridge, new to the system, and it's a team that has very little
connection to past Nugget teams.


And, Chris, ask yourself this question:

	If Westhead had prevented Gathers from playing last year after
	the initial fainting spell - would Gathers be alive today?  Or
	would we have witnessed him dying on some playground court in 
	Philly or on some NBA court this year?

	Hank was not an innocent youth.  He was a 23 year old man, a father;
	He took a chance and he lost.   Paul Westhead was merely a sidebar
	to a tragic story.

    Ack.  My worst fears realized (although I can hardly say I'm
    surprised).
    
    Folks are buying into Westhaid's coaching like lost souls to a cult
    leader.  True, the guy did help kill a kid.  True he currently has the
    2nd worst record in the league, despite taking over a team that has
    consistently been a playoff team.  True that all logic tells us his
    false philosophy won't cut it in the NBA. 
    
    Funny how the same folks who bang on Dean (with almost 700 wins and a
    .690 winning pct.) are getting behind Westhaid (3-14, .176).
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    > Westhead was merely a sidebar to this tragedy
    
    No, he was one of the leading supporting characters to this sordid and
    needless affair.  For the record Hank did NOT die on some playground,
    but rather right in the midst of a helter-skelter LMU game, one which
    maximizes the stress on the ticker.  Also for the record Westhead had
    requested Hank's heart medication be reduced cause he was lookin' a
    little sluggish out there.  
    
    If these are the actions of a 'sidebar' then Julia Roberts will play
    the part of an extra in her next movie ...
    
    
    - ACC Chris

Westhead helped kill a "kid" about as much as Dean Smith helped Michael
Jordan develop his basketball skills.

23 years old ain't a "kid".
Allowing a player to play who wants to play ain't "helping".
Dying of natural causes ain't "killing".

Other than that, you're 100% right.

And you ignored the whole issue of the team composition and injuries.

Last year's Carolina team should have won more games because they did
several years ago, right?   

    > Westhead helped kill a "kid" about as much as Dean Smith helped 
    > Michael Jordan develop his basketball skills.
    
    Hey I'll buy into that analogy.  If you ever listened to Michael talk
    about how much Dean helped him you probably wouldn't offer the
    comparison quite so willingly.
    
    That Hank died of 'natural causes' is truly a reach.  He was diagnosed 
    as having a heart problem.  He was put on medication to fix the problem, 
    or at least mask it.  CPR equipment was recommended to be kept courtside.
    
    What did Westhead do?  Why, didn't make sure the equipment was
    available, and requested that his medication be reduced because poor
    Hank couldn't keep up with his crazy "system".  
    
    By the letter of the law, Westhaid is probably innocent.  (Probably,
    although I'd still like to see his ace dragged into court for some
    *intense* cross-examining.  That won't happen though.. :^( )  An
    individual of higher standards (to name names, I'd use either Bobby
    Knight or Dean Smith) would simply not have allowed this to happen.
    Hank might've died, but he would've been on his medication and the
    finest medical equipment and personnel would've been courtside to try
    and revive him. 
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    > 23 years old ain't a "kid".
    
    I recently turned 35, and I've been calling college athletes "kids" for
    quite a few years now.  Ex: "Wow!  Can that kid [Glenn Rice] shoot!"
    
    When you're that young (late teens/early 20s), you think you're a man. 
    As you get older, you realize that you were just a kid.......
    
    JMHO.
    
    Hawk

    >When you're that young (late teens/early 20s), you think you're a man. 
    >As you get older, you realize that you were just a kid.......
    
    Watch it, some of us (just me???) are still in this catagory, and sorry to 
    let you down but I wouldn't say I'm a "kid" anymore.

    Scott

    Scott, and the rest of you "kids" in here, I'm not knockin' you
    young-ins and not saying you're not "men".  I guess it's one of those
    things you have to live to understand.......
    
    I remember resenting a 30/40-something year old guy calling me a "kid"
    when I was in my early 20s.  Now I'm one of them 30-somethingers, and I
    find myself saying "kids" to 20 year olds.  Go figure.......
    
    I wonder who them 50-somethingers call "kids"?  Lee, can you help here?
    
    Hawk

    Caint y'all figure it out ?
    
    MrT and ACCyst are the same person ! Paranoid schztio at its best !

    
    To us post-war baby boomers, you thirty-somethingers are kids, too.
    
    Remember when your thought *Sixteen* was really old, and that the
    magic *twenty-one* was this, like, special goal?
    
    Dickster, a-kid-trapped-in-a-middle-age-body-who-hopes-to-die-before-
              I-ACT-old.
    

Hawk really has a point.

As you get older, you tend to look back and realize just how young
early twenties is.  

I'm 32.  I don't feel 32, and I know I don't act it, but like Hawk
says, you have to live it to understand.  I have a very wide circle
of friends of various ages, and in discussing stuff like this,
we've found that you go through about three or four different "stages"
between the age of 20 and 35.  It's hard to put your finger on what
they are, even now, but I can look back and see them after I've
passed them...

I prefer to think of it as acquiring wisdom. 8^)

Dickster...keep on keeping on man.  The 14 year old inside of
me won't quit, and when I have kids I'm gonna be showing them
how to stay young!

'Saw

    > MrT and ACCyst [sic] are the same person !
    
    I'm sure MorT appreciates the compliment DocZ, but *really*.  I mean,
    arguing with yourself for years and years is beyond "Paranoid schztio"
    [sic] and more in line with a multiple personality disorder.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

Back on the toopic at hand. 

Westhaid's coaching style is very much like Doug Moe's the Nuggets will 
be lucky to win 20 games this year. Regardless of coach.
What I don't like about the up tempo is injuries. Doug Moe suffered the
same problem. Over the 80+ game season you will lose starters and strong
bench players with primarily hamstring injuries...

Acc Don't punish the players but I'll give you free will to execute Peter Bynoe
for firing Doug Moe and hiring Westhaid. 

Jeff 

   

    re: Jeff
    
    I have no desire to punish the players.  I *like* the Nuggets players. 
    Matter of fact, I downright *luv* Walter Davis, easily one of my
    all-time favorite hoopsters.  (Dan and I had the pleasure of watching
    Walter carve the Bucks to the tune of almost 30 points last year.  He
    may be getting old, but he's still a player.)  I like Lichti.  (Celtics
    should've taken him, but that's their problem.)  I'll probably like
    Jackson.
    
    Honestly, I feel bad for all of them, cause Westhead isn't gonna teach
    them anything to further their careers.  Kinda like getting stuck working
    for a lousy manager at DEC or something ...
    
    - ACC Chris

    As a major league baseball player once said:
    
    You're only young once but you can always be immature.
    
    John

RE:              <<< Note 406.86 by SASE::SZABO "The Beer Hunter" >>>
                            -< No offense, really! >-


No offense taken at all!  Somebody's got to keep you "old" folks on your toes!!

;^)

Scott

    >  Last nights Boston/Nugget matchup was a travesty and injustice
    >to all those hard working people that wear a referees uniform.
    
    I saw it the same way you did, Steven.  The calling of the game was as
    one sided as it's been since the Celts dropped from glory a few years
    ago.  After watching the parts of the game I did, I wonder if the
    Nuggets are getting the shaft somewhat consistently (you can always
    count on it during games in Boston, but not to *that* extent) for being
    so radical?
    
    Dan

    >Consider that Denver was much more than just a .500 team for alot of
    >years with Doug Moe at the helm.  
    
    Rumor has it that Moe is in line if/when Versace gets the axe in
    Indiana.
    
    BTW, Paul Westhead has one more NBA championship rung up under his
    coaching than the estimable Moe.
    
    Dan

    Denver last year was a mediocre team at best.  Then the following
    things happened:
    
    They traded away their best player (Lever).
    Their second best player left via free agency (English).
    They traded away their best big man (Schayes).
    The rookie obtained in the Lever trade missed some training camp
    	and part of the season with a bad reaction to medication.
    The rookie obtained in the Schayes trade just signed last week.
    Their best remaining player from last year's team (Adams) missed
    	all of pre-season with a contract dispute.
    
    In short, this is a team with no rebounding, that even now with
    Adams and Jackson playing goes only seven deep, and is learning
    a system that even a talented team would need time to get used to.
    I predict they will have a decent second half of the year, but
    still win only 22-25 games.  This team needs two more lottery picks
    and three seasons to see if Westhead's system works.
    
    NAZZ

    But Nazz, were you embarrassed keeping score last night by the slant of
    the refs?  Out with it, man!
    
    Dan

 It's about time the Celts got their respect at home from the refs back.
 All good team get it Dan and you know it. Hell good teams even get the
 calls on the road...

 and with you being upset over it, well it just makes my day...

 ;^)

mike

Dan Schneider :== RefsRalphNader(tm)

[with many smilies]
FrankWa

    	Hey Schneid, I'm trying to find a crying towel that's big enough
    for you and Stevie.  It ain't easy.
    
    				/Don

    
    
     We'll use yours as soon as you put it down.
    
    nyah nyah nyah. &^P
    
    
    

Slasher, with the way the Donks are playing you better send Steven a king
size comforter for his tears...

mike    
    
    

    
    	Right Mike, maybe I'll get them each a terrycloth circus tent
    for Christmas.

    
    
     [you guys are a couple of real clowns. The problem with notes is
      we can't see your fuzzy hair and big red nose. C'mon down,
      we all float down here]
    
      Better make make mine a 'Big Top' style.
    
    
      What about you Dan, you up for a '3-Ring' type?
    
    
    Steven
    
    

      >What about you Dan, you up for a '3-Ring' type?
    
    Steven, tell /Don that if he wants to send me such a tent no need to
    pay for expensive packing.  Just use the bags under Johnny Most's eyes.
    
    Dan

    
     Nuggets Win!!!  I think this offense is going to work. These guys are
     fun to watch. 
    
    
    
     " THE DREWSKI "
    
    

    well see how the Nuggs do against UTAH in Utah...Im just hopeing its
    not a blowout...

      Hate to tell you, but the Nuggets will be killed.  Look for the
    Mailman to have a big game.  I hope it doesn't happen, but I call it as
    I see it.
    
        Tim

    Michael Adams bruised his thigh in practice Monday and probably won't
    play at all in tonight's game at San Antonio.  Chris Jackson will get
    the start at the point.
    
    Joe