Conference 7.286::sports_90

    Welcome to the non-playoff '90 note for the fab 'fins.
    
    I hope there will be of plenty of traffic on this note in '90 as
    there are signs of the 'fins coming out of the doldrums at last.
    
    Anyone have any theories as to how the Dolphins will utilise their
    draft picks? 
    
    Would be interested to hear of any fans' personal choices as well.
    
    I beleive that we still need a high calibre RB. Perhaps a big FB
    would help Smith out and help to balance our mediocre running game.
    
    Wouldn't hurt to acquire a decent CB. Secondary is not too good
    at the moment.
    
    Would like to see a good QB taken this year to phase Marino out
    around '92 or '93. His lack of mobility restricts the plays that
    the offensive line makes - ie. you can either protect a non-mobile
    QB (which they do superbly) or have a line make holes for the RB.
    
    It would be excellent if we could trade Walsh as I beleive he will
    be a better QB than Aikman,
                         
    There you go, plenty of topics - get those notes rollin' in!
                                                                Hootsmon.

    Alibengal here.
          The truth is the Dolphins need a new team to become competitive.

     What's the deal with the personal names, guys???

    Don't ask, it's a LLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG
    story !

     OK...I repeal my question.

     BTW, heard that Marino wants out...

    He wants out becuase he's having trouble getting along with Shula.  I
    think it probably goes back to the cutting of Don Strock.  Marino gave
    the Dolphins a list of teams that he'd like to be traded to, Pittsburgh
    obviously being at the top of his list because it's his hometown. 
    It'll never happen though.  Pittsburgh doesn't need him.  How much you
    wanna bet that if traded, it will be to the Raiders who were second or
    third on his list?
    
    	--dan'l

Bubble Blister (tm) on the pine? I doubt it.

Unless Marino has a mother who will show up for every game, jump up and down,
whap her husband on top his haid, and scream herself sick, I don't think the
fans would put up with it.

Mike JN

    I was kinda almost gonna make an aaddition to my note saying that it
    would be OK for Pittsburgh to go after Marino because he is better than
    Brister RIGHT NOW, but for the following reasons I didn't:
    
    	- Pittsburgh is rebuilding still; what they would have to
    	  sacrifice for Marino would hurt more than help
    
    	- It would not be a good move for Pittsburgh psychologically; 
    	  "OK guys, remember that QB that came on so great at the end
    	  of last season, fired us up, and led us into the playoffs?
    	  Well, he's over there on the bench while homeboy here takes
    	  over."
    
    	- Noll sticks with one guy these days, often too long: Stoudt,
    	  Woodly, and Malone come to mind.
    

    Being of sound mind (so my mother tells me) I have always thought Dan
    to be the best and, if ever it came around, would be a tragedy for the
    fins were he to ask for a move.
                                   It may be a blessing in disguise though
    as no offensive line that protects THAT good can also block for the
    run. It might be better for the 'O' to have a QB who can be mobile/take
    a bit of roughing.
                      Hootsmon.                               

      I don't want to start another rathole, but Marino is overrated.
      He has tremendous protection and until recently, two receivers
    that caught every underthrown ball into double coverage that he
    lobbed up there. He set lots of records, but much of it was the
    quality of receivers and offensive line. I'm not saying Marino is
    not a very good quarterback, he just doesn't deserve the billing
    he gets.
    
                                Steve J.
       

      I don't want to start another rathole, but Elway is overrated.
      He has tremendous protection and until recently, two receivers
    that caught every underthrown ball into double coverage that he
    lobbed up there. He set lots of records, but much of it was the
    quality of receivers and offensive line. I'm not saying Elway is
    not a very good quarterback, he just doesn't deserve the billing
    he gets.
    
       

    re.11
    
    Any QB who has ever been labeled as great had good to great receivers
    and a good offensive line.  I can't recall any "great" QB who got
    continually pummeled and never had time to set up and had recievers who
    appeared to have silicone grease on their hands, and still passed for 
    boo-koo yards and muchos TD's.
    
    I'm not just talking Marino but any "great" QB thru the years.
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

      I don't want to start another rathole, but Simms is overrated.
      He has tremendous protection and until recently, two receivers
    that caught every underthrown ball into double coverage that he
    lobbed up there. He set lots of records, but much of it was the
    quality of receivers and offensive line. I'm not saying Simms is
    not a very good quarterback, he just doesn't deserve the billing
    he gets.
    
       

      I don't want to start another rathole, but /Don is overrated.
      He has tremendous protection and until recently, two cameramen
    that caught every underthrown ball into double coverage that he
    lobbed up there. He made lots of videos, but much of it was the
    quality of VCRs and Cable TV. I'm not saying /Don is
    not a very good videomaker, he just doesn't deserve the billing
    he gets.
    
       

    re .15
    
    HAHHAHAHAHAAAA !!!!!!!
    
    Francis stop it ! I'm flooorwaard !

>      I don't want to start another rathole, but Simms is overrated.
>      He has tremendous protection and until recently, two receivers
>    that caught every underthrown ball into double coverage that he
>    lobbed up there. 

	Tremendous protection? Maybe after the game... the Giants are
pernially among the leaders in most sack allowed. The line came together
in '86, but only at the end of the year. Injuries, Plan B, rookies,
etc., have caused the line to struggle. The young behemoths are starting
to come through, finally.

	Quality receivers? Name one all-pro or even Pro-Bowl Wide Receiver 
from the Giants in the past 10 years? Bavaro, a tight end, is the only
one to make the grade, and he has had three injury plagued seasons since
then..

>	He set lots of records, but much of it was the
>    quality of receivers and offensive line. I'm not saying Simms is
>    not a very good quarterback, he just doesn't deserve the billing
>    he gets.
    
	What has happened to Simms is he didn't get the recognition he
deserved until the Super Bowl, and now, with his skills eroding he is still
getting carryover from that. He's still the leader of the Giants offense,
and that translates into execution on the field..

Jim M

      I don't want to start another rathole, but 'Saw is overrated.
    He has tremendous protection and until recently, two fellow JN's
    caught every underthrown ball into double coverage that he
    lobbed up there. He wrote lots of junk notes, but much of it was the
    quality of the discussion. I'm not saying 'Saw is not a very good
    junk noter, he just doesn't deserve the billing he gets.


				/Don

    
    Simms isn't overrated...we all know he sucks.
    
    Marino isn't overrated, he's great!
    
    Ken O'Brien is underrated, he's also great.
    
    JoJ

      I don't want to start another rathole, but 'Saw is vastly underrated.
    He has LOUSY protection and until recently, not one noter
    could catch any underthrown ball into double coverage that he
    lobbed up there. He wrote lots of superb comedic notes vastly improving
    the quality of the discussion. I'm saying 'Saw is not a_excellent
    noter, and he just doesn't get the billing he deserves.

				/Don

    That's okay MrT, I can handle him.  
    
    Considering the Patriots for '90-'91, I bet I won't be alone!

    No you can't Miser .... you're the real Carl Lewis of Wagon-jumping,
    and the world is seeing you as you are !

    
    The Dolphins have signed plan B free agent LB Mike Reichenbach from the
    Eagles. His smarts about the game will be an asset to Miami.
    
    Dennis

    C'mon guys - let's get out of hibernation. Tell this lonely Scot your
    theories around the draft. By the way, isn't it good to see another
    good plan B acquisition in Tim McKyer who is a class player.
    
                                                                Hootsmon.

       Where's the Fish schedule? Is it loaded with Northern games up front
    and Home games at the end?
                                 Denny

                           (MARINO)
    Has anyone heard anymore talks about Marino wanting traded? Also let me
    know what you think about the draft picks.Why did Miami take an
    offensive lineman first round?
    
    
                                    Lonnie

    Re: Dolphins draft, Marino
    
    The Dolphins effectively sold their draft to Marino's whims.  I'm sure
    they made Marino a lot happier by taking to offensive linemen with
    their first two picks, but they would have improved themselves more by
    going in another direction in this deep draft.
    
    Dan

    Hello Davie Alan T here,whats your node to i send you a mail. 
    
                           Bengals for the Bowl 1991

    The reason the dolphins took a O.L in the first round 
    is, Ronnie Lee #(62) was left unprotected,and the Atlanta Falcon
    picked him up.Plus,they need some youngblood in that line.Maybe
    they finaly realize,it would improve their defense if they Held
    the ball longer on offense. With a running game.
                             

 .34 continued>Also I read in Mercury New that Jon Giesler
    has retired he was their Left tackle.Living here on the West coast I
    dont get much news about the Dolphins, has anybody heard anything 
    about Rick Graf or John Bosa.The few games I seen last year they were
    not in them are they Injured?

    The Fins sign former New England Running back Tony Collins...
    
    REK

    miami wins division this yr.... 
    

     Read somewhere that Richmond Webb has been signed...

     Sims is now the only unsigned draft pick, however 9 or 10
'fins remain unsigned.


MD

From the Usenet...

	Miami -- Waived fullback Tim Healy and signed guard Keith Sims,
                 their second round draft pick.



MD

    I just read in the paper that Bosa of the dolphins was injured
    and will be out the entire season.  Will this jurt the fish or
    is Bosa a bust from a previous draft???
    
    Frank MMD
    

    Calling USA,
                is there anyone alive out there. The season is only a few
    weeks away & the notes are like a graveyard. C'MON, get the information 
    flowing.
            yours impatiently,
                              Hootsmon.
    
    
    

    
    hootsman,
    
    greetings chap! the fins will soar in the  afc least this  yr..
    
    THE KOD  WILL BE ANCIENT HISTORY..
    
    DINZ
    

The KOD is in effect for the following players ! 
Dinsmores FFL team : 
Dan Marino
John Taylor
Keith Jackson
Bobby Humphrey (Seen partying with Gerald Perry and Clarence Kay)
Hampton (giants)
Sammy Smith (Miami)
Andre Rison
Miller (atlanta QB)
Edmunds ?????
Cobb  Bucs ????? 

    The reason no one's talking about the Miami Dolphins is because
    everyone is so impressed with the New York Jets this year.  The rest of
    the conference, and their fans, are in awe of the Jets.
    
    Dan

Dan, here's another napkin.  No, hold it, this time we have to use
a Bounty.

Okay, there ya go.  Dan...  Dan is that a little hair...no, no, it couldn't
be....

Really Dan, you should try to stop this, really....

Dan, are those spectacles I see on your desk there?

8^)

    dan,
    
    miami  will win this division! marino and Sammy  smith  [no relation
    
    to sammy adams] will shine
    

    Somebody give Dan a urine test !

    Thanks Steven.  Very gentle, for a physician.
    
    You can just sense the fear in these fans, fear that the Jets are gonna
    sweep through the AFC East this season.  The tension is so thick you
    can cut it with a knife.
    
    Dan

Dan, 

Something is thick around here, but I don't think it's the tension 8^)

'Saw

    re .50
    
    Rollin at high RPM's on that one 'Saw ....

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	MIAMI (UPI) -- The Miami Dolphins seemed to be rolling toward the
playoffs last season. Then it rained.
	With an encouraging 7-4 record and a 14-0 lead over the Pittsburgh
Steelers at Joe Robbie Stadium, the sky opened and spilled huge puddles
onto the grass.
	The Dolphins lost 34-14 and stumbled out of contention, losing four
of their last five games.
	``It was like we were on a high, and in the Pittsburgh game we were
beating the heck out of them 14-0. All of a sudden the rain started
pouring and we gave in,'' said veteran linebacker Barry Krauss, who led
the team in tackles last year.
	``Our confidence factor went into the hole and we hit a couple
teams that were really playing well.''
	The Dolphins finished 8-8 for the second straight year, and look at
another rebuilding season in 1990.
	``I'm still upset at what happened last year,'' Miami Coach Don
Shula said. ``All of our thoughts, effort and dedication will be so that
we can win in the fourth quarter, and win at the end of the season, when
it counts.''
	For the Dolphins, any rebound will begin with the run -- both
starting it and stopping it.
	The Dolphins finished next to last in the NFL in rushing offense
and 25th among the 28 teams in rushing defense. Shula hopes some new
faces will help the offense.
	Chief among them are first-round draft choice Richmond Webb and
second-round pick Keith Sims, both big offensive linemen who figure to
give the Dolphins some of the muscle they have lacked in recent years.
Both ended brief holdouts before the first exhibition game.
	``The fact that we got our draft choices into camp early is a big
plus,'' Shula said of the early signings.
	Another key to the running game will be former Florida State back
Sammie Smith, a first-round pick a year ago who held out until the
second game of the season. Smith gained 659 yards last year, but failed
to break a run longer than 25 yards while catching only seven passes.
	``We'd like for him to come on and be the runner we hoped he would
be when we drafted him last year,'' Shula said. ``We saw signs of that
last year. What he's got to do is get the ball a lot and show us what he
can do.''
	The Dolphins hope to develop enough of a running game to take some
pressure off quarterback Dan Marino, receivers Mark Clayton and Mark
Duper and the passing game, which ranked third in the NFL last year and
will remain the soul of the Miami offense.
	A soul is what the Miami defense is looking for. For the past five
years, it has had none.
	Stopping the run has been the No. 1 problem, and few solutions are
in sight.
	Defensive end John Bosa is out for the season after blowing his
left knee in training camp. He was supposed to replace T.J. Turner, who
started last year strong against the run, but suffered a leg injury in
an automobile accident at midseason. Now Turner remains the incumbent
with pass rusher Jeff Cross at the other end and Brian Sochia in the
middle -- the same cast as last year.
	At outside linebacker, E.J. Junior and Hugh Green are expected to
start again but will be pressured by Eric Kumerow and holdout Rick Graf.
John Offerdahl anchors the middle along with Krauss. If Krauss's aching
knee gives him trouble, Plan B pickups Mike Reichenbach of Philadelphia
and Cliff Odom of Indianapolis can step in.
	Young safeties Louis Oliver and Jarvis Williams are back, but both
cornerbacks may be new. Tim McKyer, acquired from San Francisco, will
start at one side if he gets over recurrent groin muscle pulls.
	On the other side, returnee Paul Lankford is coming off knee
surgery. J.B. Brown, Rodney Thomas and Michael McGruder are challenging
him.
	Despite the problems the Dolphin camp has been laced with optimism
this year.
	``I felt last year that we should have been in the playoffs,''
Marino said. ``We have a lot of young players and if those guys can play
well, with the other guys we have we'll be a better football team.''
	``I think in the AFC, any team can win and get to the Super Bowl
because there are no dominant teams.''

    Brian Sochia was suspended for 5 weeks for violating the league's
    steroid policy.
    
    Joe

    Joe, I think that hurts the Dolphins alot.  He's a good nose tackle. 
    Maybe he's been tacklin' other things up his nose.
    
    Glenn

    Probably ... he wasn't worth a damn on the Oilers ...

      re: .52 and the rain

   I'm Rollin'
   All their opponents will probably start showing up with
   squirt guns!

   Mike JN

    Picture this:  ( IMPORTANT: TO BE READ HURRIEDLY AS IF THE CLIMAX OF
    SOMETHING GOOD IS NEAR)
                 Jests v 'Fins, Jests have the ball. Centre snaps the ball
    right into the ample clutches of the manly Eason. Eason looks up & sees
    big John O running toward him. Eason rolls out to the right and lets it
    soar. Is it a bird is it a man. No it wasn't even the ball, only seven
    shades of sh*t!
                   Hardee har har!!
                                   Hootsmon.

    Does anybody know if Clayton played against the Pats and what his
    status is for next week?  I didn't see his name in the box, so I was
    wondering if he just didn't get any catches or didn't play.
    Thanx.
    
    Joe

    Clayton was placed on the inactive list prior to the game.  He had some
    injury but I don't remember what it was.  I don't know how serious the
    injury is or what it is, and I don't know if he'll be back next week.
    
    John

News from Dolphins camp:

     CRASH Jenson and Troy Stradford have ended their holdouts and have
signed new contracts.  Stradford's playing status is questionable because
of his knee injury...  Rick Graf is now the only Dolphin not signed...

     The Dolphins are now 15 wins away from increasing their record
to 2 perfect seasons...  Should be no problem accomplishing the feat as
long as Mr. Marino remembers which team to throw the ball to.  (He gave
up 3 interceptions vs. the Pats).

     Sammie Smith is leading the league in rushing with 159 yards. :^)

     Unfortunately, the game was blacked out in the Boston area this
past weekend, but from the highlights that I saw and the description
from the radio (Charley Steiner of ESPN did the announcing), they sounded
pretty damn good.

     Game summary to follow... Sorry to take so long...


	FOXBORO, Mass. (UPI) -- Dan Marino threw a 7-yard scoring pass t o
Tony Paige with 1:46 left in the fourth quarter Sunday afternoon,
rallying the Miami Dolphins to a 27-24 triumph over New England that
snapped the Patriots' six-game winning streak on Opening Day.
	Miami, opening its Silver Anniversary season in the NFL, had lost
its last five season-openers.
	Jason Staurovsky's 57-yard field goal fell short with 21 seconds
left.
	Steve Grogan hit Irving Fryar with a 22-yard pass midway through
the first quarter and connected on a 35-yard pass to Marv Cook late in
the second as the Patriots built a 21-6 first-half edge.
	Marino, 3-5 in his career in Foxboro Stadium, was intercepted three
times on the afternoon before the game-winning drive. He completed 22 of
34 attempts for 255 yards and two TDs.
	Marino went 3 for 3 on the decisive drive, which carried 48 yards
and six plays. Marino scrambled right before finding Paige open in the
end zone on the winner.
	Sammie Smith, who ran for 105 of his career-best 159 yards in the
first half, scored for the Dolphins early in the third to cut the score
to 21-20. Smith carried the ball 23 times, 15 in the opening half.
	Leading 14-6, New England converted on Miami's second costly
turnover of the first half.
	Johnny Rembert picked off Marino's floating pass in the right flat.
Three plays later, Grogan hit Cook over the middle for a 35-yard score,
moving the Patriots ahead 21-6 with 1:13 left in the half.
	Grogan went 17 for 28 for 217 yards.
	Miami had sliced the score to 7-6 on Pete Stoyanovich's 37-yard
field goal in the opening minute of the second quarter.
	New England's John Stephens capped a 6-play, 52-yard drive with a
1-yard dive nearly 10 minutes later.
	Marino moved the Dolphins 65 yards in 4 plays in only 50 seconds,
hitting Tony Martin on a 35-yard pass to cut the deficit to 21-13 with
23 seconds left in the first half.
	The Dolphins scored on their opening drive of the second half,
marching 71 yards in 8 plays. Smith capped the drive with a 3-yard
plunge, narrowing the deficit to 21-20.
	The Patriots struck right back with Staurovsky kicking a 42-yard
field goal, making the score 24-20.
	Trailing 3-0, the Patriots halted a drive when Ronnie Lippett
intercepted Marino at New England's 5 and returned it to Miami's 22.
	The Patriots scored one play later when Grogan connected on a 22-
yard strike with Fryar for a 7-3 lead.
	Miami jumped ahead 3-0 on Stoyanovich's 31-yard field goal 4:16
into the contest.

                              DOLPHINS
    MIAMI BEATS THE BILLS 30-7.I CAN'T BELIEVE THE DOLPHIN DEFENSE.THIS HAS
    GOT TO BE THE FIRST TIME MIAMI'S DEFENSE STOPPED JIM KELLY.MIAMI KEPT
    BUFFALO SCORELESS FOR THE FIRST THREE QUARTERS.SAMMY SMITH HAD TWO
    TOUCHDOWN RUNS AND MARINO HAD ONE TOUCHDOWN THROW.
    
          P.S.HOOTSMAN I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT MUCH FROM YOU THIS YEAR.WHAT'S
    WRONG?

    re-1,
    
    	L.L.  Quit SHOUTING!
    
    Loved the game, finally time they scored some points.  BTW, where did
    your man finish Sunday? :*)
    
    B.A.

    JH,
    
    
    Could  ya tell me when the last time the Dolphins played the  Giants
    ina  regular season  game? I say it was Miami   superbowl yr 1972
    
    the 17-0  season.. danke schon for any assistance
    
    
    dinz
    

    re .63:
    
    I think the Dolphins and Giants played each other during the 1987 season.
    
    
    py

    Unless the Dolphins had finished last in the AFC East in 1986 (which I
    don't think they did), it would have been 1987.  Since the advent of
    the 16-team alignment, the AFC East has played the NFC East in 1978,
    1981, 1984, 1987 and now 1990.  The only time the Giants hadn't
    finished last the previous year was 1986.  They also didn't finish in
    last place last year.
    
    I'll look it up when I get home.
    
    John

    but wasnt that the strike yr  1987.. and they didnt play?
    
    
    

    I looked back through some information I had on line.  They may have
    been scheduled to play in 1987 during the strike weekend.  I saw the
    all time record between the Dolphins and Giants as being 1-0 Miami.  If
    that's the case, then it is likely they played in 1972 only.  In any
    event, I'll check it out tonight.
    
    John

    The Giants and Miami were to play in Week 3 of the Strike Season
    - the game that was cancelled due to the strike, prior  to the SCAB
    games.
    
    You cain take that to the bank.
    
    
    
    JD

    
    According to the Miami Herald, the last time the Dolphins played
    the Giants was 1972, the Dolphins' Perfect Season.
    
    Sunday's win was Don Shula's 200th.
    
    Kathy

    thanks kathy.
    
    
    dinz
    

    Miami 23 @New York 13 in 1972.  The game in 1987 would have been in
    Miami.  The Giants have never played a regular season game in Miami.
    
    John

    thanks john
    

    RE:61
    
    I relocated to SQF this year and am currently on continentals.
    
    Can anyone give me an insight as to how Smith is playing. Has he found
    a more positive running game & been able to shield the ball ?
    
    Go 'fins..........Kid Kelly takes one in the belly !!!!
                                                           Hootsmon.

    Smiths leading the  AFC in rushing.. good blocking with the
    
    2 rookies on  the line.. sorry hootsman, gotta wish against  the
    
    dolphins  against my giants  this week
    

    Well now - let's not have a silent note this week. Loved the game last
    night. Good to see a couple of rushing scores. Excellent trick play to
    Jensen also. Marino threw a vintage score to yookenhoo.
    
    Hope we can keep our divisional record going. Last weeks game has me
    worried though. It highlights the difference between a SUPPOSED good
    AFC team (Buff) & a good NFC (NYG). I would be more than happy to see
    out the season winning most of our internal games & learning from this
    season to make the 'fins become NFL beaters - remember - this is
    supposed to be a building year.
    				   Can anyone supply me with a list of all
    wideouts currently under contract with the 'fins. Would be much 
    appreciated.
                Go Dolphins........ 
    					Hootsmon (Scotland's No1 'fin fan).                                                

     
     Dolphins win big this week.Pittsburgh isn't that good of a team
    though.The dolphin defense only gave up 160 total yards.We have the
    Jets this week at Miami.
    
                      GO DOLPHINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    

    Just found this Dolphin's note stashed away in here. I keep hearing
    Reyna Thompson's name come up for the Giants. Didn't he use to play
    for the fins??? 
    My prediction for this week - Miami 41, New York 10...
    
                             Tom

>    Just found this Dolphin's note stashed away in here. I keep hearing
>    Reyna Thompson's name come up for the Giants. Didn't he use to play
>    for the fins??? 


	Yes, the Giants picked him up via Plan B Free Agency prior to the 
1989 season. Unbelievable special teams coverman, and his DB work is actually 
improving as well, which is a bonus.

	Jim M

    
    I just read today that the dolphins defense is ranked no#1 in the AFC.
    
    

    
    Re: -1
    
    Every team moves up a few notches after playing the Steelers!  
    
    /Jeff  

    
>    Every team moves up a few notches after playing the Steelers!  
    
 
ooohhhh you're going to pay for that one come friday Jeff....

;^)

    I just want to know how the Dolphin fans will recuperate after getting
    thrashed by the Jets this coming weekend?
    
    Dan

    Oh Shit he's back!!!
    
    Bummer...
    
    REK

    Jets beat Dolphines..............HA!HA!HA!   Wake up, Man!!!!!!!!!!!
    

    These games are high shoot out affairs.. for true  entertainment
    
    value  only.. take the over :)
    
    
    dinz
    

    
    I failed getting a reply to a question in the College Football topic,
    so I'll post it here:
    
    Can anyone explain the significance of the emblem on the Miami
    Hurricanes' football helmet?
    
    Steve

    There is no significance that I know of.  Why not call their Sports
    Information Office (seriously) sometime next week after the Florida
    State game has been played?
    
    John

    
    I'm pretty sure it's a "U" for University, just to remind the football 
    players where they are.
    
    Blatant cheap shot; apologies to Miami fans and football players in
    general offered in advance...
    
    glenn

    Who won in the last two times the Dolphins and Jets play ?
    
    I love to see the Jets win, but have been impressed with dolphins
    defense so far this year.
    
    A Jets Fanforver
    
    
    John

    They split two games last year, both winning on the road.  Jets should
    have won their home game, but Kenny O tried to score standing up.
    
    Dan

    RE: 75
    
    Can no-one help me with the wideout list???????????????
    
    Hootsmon.

    hi hootsman,
    
    
    Mark Duper
    
    Mark clayton
    
    Jim  Jensen
    
    Fred Brown
    
    thats all off the top of my head i can think of
    
    
    dinz
    
    

    re. 91  List of Dolphins WR's:
    
    	Mark Duper
    	Mark Clayton
    	Fred Banks
    	Andre Brown
    	Tony Martin
    	    and
    	Jim Jensen [designated WR/TE/RB]
    
    	I think that's it.
    
    LT
    

Correction...

>>>>>    Jim Jensen [designated WR/TE/RB]

should be:

    	Jim Jensen [designated WR/TE/RB/QB/NG/ROLB/LCB/P/RT/DE/SS/RF/2B/F/G/LW]


     Jensen's weakness is at the Center position...

     HTH.


MD

    Thats a good assesment of Jim. I wish they would use him more, he's no
    superstar,but he does get the job done if they let him do it!! IMO.
    
                                                         M.J.

    He certainly is a valuable player. I also agree that he should be given
    more of the ball. Look how good a player Keith Jackson is for the
    Eagles.
    
    Thanks to all for the WR list:- not much change from last yr.
    
    Hootsmon_who's_gonna_love_watching_the_Patsies_get_creamed!!
    

    Dolphines 28   Patriots 13
    
    
    
                                 M.J.

    I'm looking at the Dolphins' 1990 schedule.
    
         They've beaten New England twice (by at total of 10 pts); stomped the 
    Jeckyll-and-Hyde Bills; thumped Pittsburgh (before they found their "O") 
    and just squeaked by the Jets.  They got smoked by the Giants.  In
    their remaining games, they'll play only 3 teams currently with winning
    records (Raiders, Skins and Bills).  They have a decent shot at winning
    11 (even 12) games and their division but may be the first team out of
    the playoffs.
    
         Admittedly, they are a team on the rebound.  With Don Shula, Dan
    Marino, Sammie Smith, a much-improved offensive line and a rejuvenated
    defense, they oughta be a force in the (yawn) AFC within the next coupla
    years.  Still, when I think about 5-and-1-type teams, the Dolphins don't
    exactly leap to mind.  IMO, and all that.
    

    Dolphins 27     Colts 7
    
    The Dolphins are playing well.Did anyone happen to see that hit Trudeau
    took yesterday? The Dolphins linebacker nailed him!!! I hope we can
    keep it up for the rest of the season.
    
    We play Pheonix at Miami this week.
    
                                   GO DOLPHINS 

    
    It looks like an upset in Miami this week Lonnie, its about time for
    the Fish to go into a slump and lose a couple of games in a row.
    
    
    Dave
    

    I don't think so David.Miami is playing too good right now.Bye the
    way,we won't lose as many as your Cowgals and you can take that to the
    bank!!!!!
    
    
                             GO DOLPHINS

    Dolphines lose at home...........................Noway!!!!! Not this
    year. 
    
                                                       M.J.

    Oh, Get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your just mad cause Dale is gonna be
    Winston Cup Champion 1990!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
    
    
                                                M.J.

   >Dolphines lose at home.........Noway!! Not this year.
    
    I know it's a little early, but two Mondays from now the Sardines
    are going down hard on national television! The Raiders are gonna
    give the Sardines a lesson on how defense is supposed to be played,
    and Bo's gonna shame the Sardines #1 ranked defense. :-)
    
    Carlos
    
    

    Question:
    
    Has anyone ever seen Carlos and Hal together????
    
    intoxicated minds want to know!!!
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    I heard a radio commercial the other day about this Sunday's games on
    NBC, one of them featuring the Dolphins game.  In the ad, they kept
    touting the fact that Miami has the #1 defense in the NFL.  Since when?
    And, if it's true, I'd have to say that this is a pretty amazing
    turn-around, a testament to the coaching greatness of Don Shula......
    
    Hawk

>                             -< Miami defense #1? >-
    
    yup!

    >In the ad, they kept touting the fact that Miami has the #1 defense
    >in the NFL. Since when?
    
    Since they played New England twice, and Indy, Phoenix, the Jets,
    and Pittsburgh (before they found themselves). The only tough teams
    they've played against are the Giants (which gave them their only
    loss) and the Bills (which they smoked). In all fairness though,
    the Cards have a good running attack (which the Dolphins stopped)
    and the Jets also have a good offense (which they also stopped).
    
    Carlos
    
    
    ...

    The Bears and Dolphins showed the Cardinals what happens when the #1
    rushing team meets the #1 and #2 rushing defenses.
    
    Mike

    Rep to Raider fan
    I wouldn't count them chickens before they hatch, Dude!!!!!!! Thats two
    in a row for you guys now, I believe!!!!!!! LOSSES THAT IS!!!!!!!  
    Giving, Bo knows alot, but not enough to beat them Dolphins. It will be
    a good game, but Maimi will beat the Raiders by atleast 13pts.
    
                                                         M.J. 

>    It will be a good game, but Maimi will beat the Raiders by atleast 13pts.
    
    NO WAY !!! You are forgetting who has the best Monday Night record. 
    And I'm sure that Art Schell (sp?) is going to remind his team of that
    too.   Also, the Raiders are gonna be rip-roarin' mad that they've lost
    two in a row now.  Raiders by 2.
    
    

>>>>  NO WAY !!! You are forgetting who has the best Monday Night record. 

     Gee, this stat sure convinces me...

     Does this mean that Stabler, Casper, Alzado, Branch, Tatum, etc. will
be dressing for the game.  After all, they did have a little something to
do with that winning record.

     Winning Percentage on MNF is a useless stat.


MD

 why call all those guys back? Just bring back Tom Flores....

 for those that missed it they were showing some of Shula's accomplishemnts
 and the only dark spot was an 0-6 record against FLORES.....

 MIKE

    I don't know why I stood up for the Raiders.  I guess I just like to see 
    the fish/sardines/guppies/krill/plankton/sea foam/grains of sand LOSE !!
    
    Dec. 23rd is the Dolphins day of reckoning.  Bills payback.

>Does this mean that Stabler, Casper, Alzado, Branch, Tatum, etc. will
>be dressing for the game.  After all, they did have a little something to
>do with that winning record.
    
    That is true, the individuals you mention were playing through most
    their undefeated streak on MNF (which was broken by who else ?  the
    Bills!).  BUT they still continued to be impressive after these guys
    faded (no pun intended) away.  IMHO, if a team has a 'reputation' to
    live up to, they will be a little more psyched for a game than normal.
    
    It is true that you can come up with a statistic that would say that
    the Patriots(aka Red Sox with helmets) beat teams coached by a Libra
    whenever Dow Jones Ind. Avg is a multiple of 7.  But there is no
    'reputation' involved.  But the Raiders MNF record is something worth
    defending.

    

     I think that the Dec. 23rd game will determine the AFC East champ.
I hope that the Dolphins & Bills have equivalent records at that point
so they can fight for the title.  It would be the AFC's answer to the
Giants/49ers game coming up in December (2nd or 3rd).


MD

>>> But the Raiders MNF record is something worth defending.

     The best MNF record is nothing but a silly statistic for
Al, Frank and Dan to babble about.  They talk about it like
it's a home field advantage.  It's pathetic.


>>>  But there is no 'reputation' involved.

Al:  As you know, Dan, the Raiders are 'reputed' to be one of
     the better Monday Night Football teams as history has pointed
     out to us.

Dan: BETTER MNF teams!  I'd say that the Raiders are without a
     doubt one of the *BEST* MNF teams in the history of MNF.
     Why, since I've been on the Slimfast program blah blah blah...
     <insert sound and footage of Tanzanian Tree Sloth farting here>

     The Raiders have won more games on Monday nights than
any other NFL team.  Big Deal.  I'm sure that the Browns
have won more Sunday afternoon games than the 49ers.  Do
you think that I'd bet that the Browns would beat the 49ers
on a Sunday afternoon this year???

     The statistic is useless.


MD

Not to mention what the Raiders must be saying in the locker room to each 
other...

"Yo dudes...we've got the best monday night record in history...Let's go
out and kick some butt because it is monday night...All those Sunday games
are meaningless..this is monday...Goooo,Killll,Winnnn..."

Metz

    MNF is just something for the Raider hopefuls to hold on to and it
    keeps a gleam in them thar eyes. The Raiders will wake up real quick
    and realize this will effect the MNF record. Add an "L" to that record.
    I think the Dolphins are too strong an offense for the Raiders D and
    Maimi's D will do just fine in stopping them. Raiders will be lucky to
    score more than 17pts and thats being generous.
    What is Maimi's MNF record?? I'm sure its not too bad.
    
    The Bills will be a tougher match, but with the same outcome as the
    last meeting.
    
                                                M.J.

    Even if it did mean something, records change.  Remember the Steelers 
    have a terrible Monday Night Record...but they didn't look to shabby
    against the Rams a few weeks ago.
    
    Go Miami!
    
    	--dan'l

>                      -< Records are meant to be spoken >-
    
    BTW, that is not a reference to rap music.  If I want to hear someone
    shout instructions at me, I'll come to work.
    
    	--dan'l

    HOT AIR !!! Nothing but methane and sulphur saturated blow-off.  I'll
    stop trying to make my point.  I think the Raiders will do it just fine
    for me on Monday.  I'll bet my bladder control that the Raiders will win.
    God knows I don't want to wear Depend undergarments.
    
    As for the Dec. 23rd game.  The Bills will win.  Since the Bills-Fish
    head-to-head meetings will be split, they will decide it on conference 
    play.  Well, since the sardines will have two conference losses to the
    Bills one, Buffalo will get the title!
    
    One last note. (should have been mentioned before)  The fish are
    playing over their heads.

>    The fish are
>    playing over their heads.
    
    And the Raider's aren't?
    

The Bills play a girly mon schedule..... 8^)

>The Bills play a girly mon schedule..... 8^)
    
    Frank,
    
    FWIW, of the division leading teams, the Bills have the toughest schedule 
    for the remaining games.  Shown below is a list of teams with the combined
    record of their remaining opponents.  If you want to talk girly-mon, 
    howzbout those niners and giants.  Gee, they aren't even playing teams 
    with a combined winning record.
    
                    Combined
                    record of
                    remaining 
          Team      oppponents
          --------------------
          Bills    .556
          Cinci    .540  
          Miami    .524
          Raiders  .492
          NYG      .492
          49'ers   .438
          Bears    .406
    
    
    -Paul (who YES is being slightly anal about this)

Paul,

Those dastisticks are impressive.  However, you forgot a couple
of things....

1) Buffalo plays in the AFC, predominantly against AFC opponents

2) Buffalo plays in the AFC, predominantly against AFC opponents

3) Buffalo plays in the AFC, predominantly against AFC opponents


Hope this helps 8^)
'Saw

    On a more serious note:
    
    The Bills do play the Patriots and Colts twice.  They play the Jets
    twice and while they're improved, they aren't all that great.  From the
    AFC Central, they play the Browns and Oilers.  They also play the
    Broncos and Raiders.  They also play the Giants, Redskins, Eagles and
    Cardinals.  Of their foes, they play 9 games against mediocre teams - 2
    New England, 2 Colts, 2 Jets, Browns, Broncos and Cardinals.  The
    Dolphins play a slightly tougher schedule than the Bills.
    
    John

    Frank,

 In the AFC East, the Bils opponents have a combined record of 16-21 (.432)
 In the NFC East, the Giants opponents have a combined record of 15-22 (.405)

 In the AFC, there are 7 teams with at least a .500 record.
 In the NFC, there are 5 teams with at least a .500 record.

 Yeah, I'll agree that the 49'ers and Giants are good ball clubs, but the
 other 11 teams (including the Bears) are not any better as a group than
 the bottom eleven of the AFC. (Although the Red Sox with helmets might tip
 the scales)

 So in summary---"Oh YEAH!!"

>The Dolphins play a slightly tougher schedule than the Bills.

 They play essentially same schedule.  It could have been stated more 
 clearly that the only difference in their schedules is that Buffalo plays
 Houston and Denver while Miami plays Pittsburgh and Seattle.  Where
 Pittsburgh and Seattle are more formidable opponents than the Oilers and
 Donks.

 My original point was that Buffalo has the toughest schedule for the
 remainder of the season.

    OK, here is Buffalo and Miamis' past oppenants records.
    
    	Buffalo		.398   hahahahaha
        Miami		.445   
    
    Buffalo has faced two teams with winning records, they lost to Miami
    and if not for a stupid couple of minutes they would have lost to
    the Raiders.  Oh yes, they look like a powerhouse to me 8^)
    
    Miami has faced three teams with winning records, they beat Buffalo
    and Pittsburgh, but lost to the undefeated Giants.
    
    You make the call 8^)
    
    The Wizard

    >	Buffalo		.398   hahahahaha
    >   Miami		.445   
    
    Yep, I admit it (I honestly do).  The fish have played a tougher schedule.  
    But I still hate 'em.  Again, my original point is that Buffalo has the
    toughest schedule for the remainder of the season.  When all the dust
    is settled, Buffalo will be on top. (the fish might even have the same
    record, but the Bills will win the tie-breaker, AFC play).
    
    You GOTS to understand my feelings here folks (pretend you are a
    psychiatrist now).  I grew up in Buffalo not knowing what it was like
    to beat the Dolphins.  Here we would go out and play'em twice a year and
    can't beat them for something like 14-15 years.  Granted, that the
    Dolphins were a dynasty in the 70's and the Bills were mighty poor.
    But still!!!  One stinkin' win for a little kid from Buffalo.  Naw!!
    So now that the Bills are a respectable team.  They CAN and DO beat the
    dolphins.  When they do I wet my pants.  When they lose, I revert to
    sucking my thumb.  Either case, child-like.   Hmmm.  Serious disorder
    here.  I wonder if I can sue Schula.  Good thing I had the Sabres in
    the 70's or I woulda run away from home and moved to Rochester.  At
    least they didn't have any teams to bemoan.

    >I think the Dolphins are too strong an offense for the Raiders
    >D and Miami's D will do just fine in stopping them.
    
    You almost had it right M.J......Hee hee. The Raiders totally dominated
    the Dolphins, although the margin of victory was only 3 pts. Sammie
    Smith didn't have a clue carrying the six times for minus 3yds,
    and receiving once for minus 1yd. Matter of fact Miami set a record
    for rushing futlity with just 14yds in 12 carries. On the other
    hand Bo Jackson rushed for 99yds on 17 carries and Marcus Allen
    gained 79-yds and 1 TD with 19 carries. The Raiders stopped Miami
    in 9 of 10 third down situations. 
    
    
    Carlos

>    The Raiders totally dominated
>    the Dolphins, although the margin of victory was only 3 pts. 
    
    Excuse me?  Were we watching the same game?  Both teams played bad
    ball.  If anything, you can chalk that Raider win up to Miami's clock
    mismanagement in the 4th quarter.
    
    	--dan'l