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| 43.1 | Let's go, 4 in a row! | SONG::ASHE | If uc a red sign inside of da mall | Fri Dec 15 1989 15:49 | 3 |
| No need to jump on... I've been there since I was born...
-Walt
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| 43.2 | They're gonna be contenders | QUASER::HUNTER | Jack's Diner, No Brains, No Service | Fri Dec 15 1989 17:06 | 4 |
| I like the Packers but I gotta tell ya, the Lions are going to be a
team to fear in a few years.....
Big Game
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| 43.3 | | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Fri Dec 15 1989 17:16 | 6 |
| Even though they use 4 receivers only Richard Johnson(?) seems to
catch all the balls. He was an IBM salesman last year. Would
the WR position be the one were they need help the most?
Cowboy
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| 43.4 | | HEURIS::METZGER | Is it Ski season yet ? | Fri Dec 15 1989 17:21 | 11 |
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yup...
That and they have to work on getting their turnovers down...
they've killed them this year.
Maybe they can trade Long to the Pats for some Wr's...
metz
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| 43.5 | | SONG::ASHE | If uc a red sign inside of da mall | Fri Dec 15 1989 19:16 | 1 |
| They don't need WR's... they need an OL...
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| 43.6 | | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Fri Dec 15 1989 19:41 | 9 |
| re:-1 Do you really think they need OL help? The only game I've
seen (Thanksgiving Day) the OL did good considering they were out
numbered at times. But that's an obvious drawback to this offense.
If Gagliano couldn't find a receiver or give it to Sanders *quick*
he ate it.
Cowboy
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| 43.7 | We need lotsa stuff. | UNXA::ADLER | Ed Adler @UNX / UNXA::ADLER | Fri Dec 15 1989 19:55 | 10 |
| Been a Lions fan since the early '50s (when Charlie Keller moved from
the Yankees to the Tigers -- but that's another story). They need a
lot more on defense, too! Their "bend-but-don't-break" philosophy just
won't cut it against a club like the 'Niners. The current pass rush is
pathetic, making it much tougher for the deep backs to cover the
wideouts. The only rush they get is from the linebackers, and if
they don't get to the QB, the short stuff is wide open.
/Ed
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| 43.8 | you heard it here 1st | QUASER::HUNTER | Jack's Diner, No Brains, No Service | Fri Dec 15 1989 20:16 | 11 |
| All this may be true. What I see is a team that is very
talent rich, and young on top of it. I think with a couple
of good draft picks on the defensive side of the ball and
maybe a trade or two this team will be a contender. I see a
complete turn around in the central. The Bears and Vikes
are due for some tough time. While on the other hand, Tampa,
the Lions and Greenbay are up and coming Foot-A-Ball clubs
with lots of talent and youth. Look for the Pack to win
the division this year....
Big Game
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| 43.9 | | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Fri Dec 15 1989 20:26 | 15 |
| You gotta be right. The main receiver this year, Johnson was
selling for IBM before this season. Rookie starter QB Peete
has been hurt most of the year. Backup QB Gagliano has been
traded 6(?) or more times in his career. Rookie RB Sanders
didn't start practicing with the team until *days* before
his first game. With what they have, the Lions have really
done well. With a few choice players and give some playing
time to the Rookies, this new offense will definitely win
some games next year.
I just hope that Detroit will have some national TV coverage
next year.
Cowboy
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| 43.10 | | HEURIS::METZGER | Is it Ski season yet ? | Mon Dec 18 1989 12:04 | 14 |
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The best thing I love about the run and shoot is the fact that Sanders isn't
taking a lot of punishment in it. Everytime he gets the ball is is an almost
open field like situation. He isn't getting hit by 5-6 men at once. Hopefully
this will prolong his career beyond the average 5-6 years of a running back.
I think Sanders should be the pro-Bowl running back for the NFC this season.
They could use some Big men up front defensively. They do need some quality
receivers. I personally think gagliano is doing a good job this year. Maybe he's
found his nitche with the Run-and-shoot.
metz
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| 43.11 | | REFINE::ASHE | If uc a red sign inside of da mall | Tue Dec 19 1989 12:09 | 10 |
| I don't think Peete's injury prone. I think since he was hurt this
year, Long and Hipple have been frequently in past years, that
need some help on the line. They can play well, but I would
draft one of them or a LB (Snow?) before I would go after Harris
or Ware or Rembert. Rembert might not be too bad, but I think
the WR's are doing the job.
4 in a row, tied with the Bears... not to shabby...
Does Murray have a shot at the accuracy record?
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| 43.12 | | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Tue Dec 19 1989 18:16 | 18 |
| Sanders ran for 104 yards and 1 TD on 21 carries to give him
1312 yards for the season. This broke Billy Sims' rookie record
(1308) in 1980 and the Lions' rookie record. Sanders needs
125 yards to beat the Lions' best year--Sims' in 1981 with 1437
yards. This was Sanders 6th 100+ yard game.
The Lions had Tampa beat 33-0 until the last play of the game
when Mark Carrier caught a pass in a 69 yard play. It would have
been the first shutout in 6 years.
The Lions' 4-game winning streak is the longest since the start
of the 1980 season.
The Lions got surprisingly close to the playoffs this year when
you consider the shakey start.
Cowboy
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| 43.13 | A well-deserved spot | TRNING::ALLERTON | I hear thunder | Thu Dec 21 1989 12:11 | 8 |
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Sanders joins Neil Anderson in the ALL-PRO NFC backfield.
I've got last year's Holiday Bowl on videotape, in which Sanders
ran for 227 yards and scored 5 TDs. Like his performances this
year, it's been fun to watch.
Steve
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| 43.14 | | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Thu Dec 21 1989 12:43 | 11 |
| Sanders deserved it alright. Anyone know how many Rookies have
had that honor?
BTW, I've got the Holiday Bowl tape too. Actually I've got
several games on tape but the best one is last years against
Oklahoma where Sanders gained over 200 yards against a tough
OU defense. That has to be his best performance unless it
was against Nebraska (I couldn't see that one).
Cowboy
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| 43.15 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Noregia 2 Bush Zip, Nada... | Thu Dec 21 1989 13:02 | 9 |
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Why Anderson made instead of Dalton Hillard is beyond me. Saints
have atleast played respectable thanks to Dalton while the bears
suck even with Anderson...
sure does feel good to say the bears sucks and know nobody can come
back at me.... ;^)
mike
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| 43.16 | | REFINE::ASHE | If uc a red sign inside of da mall | Thu Dec 21 1989 14:09 | 1 |
| Lions send 3... great, they deserved it....
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| 43.17 | | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | I didn't start the fire....did U? | Thu Dec 21 1989 14:33 | 8 |
| WJR in Detroit reported that 4 Lions made the Pro Bowl. Only 3 teams
placed more. It was the first time that the Lions placed 4 since their
championship years.
I heard Murray, Spielman, Sanders and the nose guard (???) were all
named, alond with 5 alternates.
pete
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| 43.18 | The Denver Post Cain't be wrong (?) | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Thu Dec 21 1989 14:40 | 12 |
| Here's from the Denver Post:
1st team:
RB-Barry Sanders
LB-Chris Spielman
PK-Ed Murray
2nd team:
DL-Jerry Ball
Cowboy
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| 43.19 | Not a bad year for a rookie.... | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Tue Dec 26 1989 19:08 | 9 |
| Sanders' last rookie game broke a couple of Billy Sims' records
as a Lion. Sanders ran for 158 yards to give him 1470 to beat
Sims' '81 year of 1437. With 3 more TDs in this final game
against Atlanta Sanders ended up with 14 TD. One more than
Sims' best years in '80 and '81. Sanders also had 7 100+ yard
games in his rookie year.
Cowboy
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| 43.20 | 10 more yards for the title! | CRUISE::JBONIN | John Bonin, U.S. Data Warehouse DBA | Wed Dec 27 1989 11:57 | 5 |
| Also, if the coach would have left him in the game for 10 more yards,
he would have won the rushing title over Okoye(sp?). A BAD coaching
move! He should have KNOWN he was so close!
John
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| 43.21 | It's just the kind of guy he is | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Dec 27 1989 12:22 | 4 |
| John, Sanders did not want to remain in the game. He said the game was
already won and the rushing title was not that important to him.
He gave all of his offensive lineman Rolex watches before the game.
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| 43.22 | | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Wed Dec 27 1989 12:53 | 9 |
| Sanders has been pulling himself out of games since high school. He
could have set records as a high school senior but let the other
backs go in. In college Sanders played only 2 or 3 quarters in many
games. If he cared about setting records he could have set some that
may never would be broken. He could have added another 1000 yards
to his record! He's a true class act.
Cowboy
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| 43.23 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | Don't Know what I'm gonna do. | Wed Dec 27 1989 13:14 | 2 |
| Sanders is the best gamble I took in FFL this year. I think he's gonna
be a great one!
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| 43.24 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | It's a Jingle out there | Wed Dec 27 1989 14:56 | 3 |
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Lions remind me now of how they were right before Billy Simms got
hurt. Hope Sanders stays healthy.
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| 43.25 | | HEURIS::METZGER | Is it Ski season yet ? | Wed Dec 27 1989 15:23 | 23 |
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I'd really like to see the Lions rip right through the league next year.
I'd love to see them come out averaging 30 points a game or so.
The reason I'd like to see this is to shut up all those supposed experts that
said that the run and shoot offense is too inflexible for the NFl. All I heard
all preseason and for the 1st half of the season is that the Lions were doomed
to embarresment for the next 5 years because they had gotten rid of all their
conventional sized lineman for smaller more mobile players. I love to see it
when the experts are wrong....
I'd love to see the Giants vs. The lions in the next few years...Two totally
opposite styles of play.
Parcells thinks the league is going to become oversized and is aquiring 300
lb linemen and 3-4 large blocking tight ends. Mouse Davis is putting in an
offense geared around smaller lineman and lots of Wr's reading patterns
on the fly.
Can't wait to see which style wins.....
metz
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| 43.26 | Go Rodney! | AJCVAX::COTE | Al | Wed Dec 27 1989 15:30 | 5 |
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Well, if steroids DO get eliminated, those 300lbers will melt their way to
flabby 200lbers, and all their artificially conglomerated teef will
fall out.
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| 43.27 | | REFINE::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Wed Dec 27 1989 18:17 | 9 |
| Who would have thought they'd finish better than the Bears. Definitely
like the Sims years... 7-9, 8-8, 9-7, 8-8, 7-9... at least that's the
way it seemed.
Love to get Percy Snow, but not sure if he'll last... how bout this?
Chuck Long to NE or somewhere for a #2?
-Walt
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| 43.28 | Barry Sanders--winner of RotY.... | POGO::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Fri Dec 29 1989 11:19 | 21 |
| Sanders got 69 of the 70 votes for AP's Rookie of the Year. The other
vote went to Andre Rison (Indianapolis). Sanders led the NFC with 1470
yards, 10 behind league leader Christian Okoye. He averaged 5.3 yards
per carry and scored 14 TDs. He probably could have passed Okoye's
total but sat out much of the 2nd half in the Atlanta game. "It wasn't
a goal of mine," he said of leading the league in rushing. "I didn't
set any statistical goals. I didn't have any particular mark."
Talking about the RotY honor, "It's a tremendous honor, but it is
really an indication of how our offense played as a whole. I didn't
feel at a disadvantage by missing training camp. I missed a little
hitting. That didn't pose many disadvantages at all as far as the
offense. I was able to learn as I went along, week to week."
Sanders, among other records, set new NCAA marks for rushing yards
(2628) and TDs (39) last year at Oklahoma State as a Junior.
Congrats to Sanders
Cowboy
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| 43.29 | Get caught drunk driving or something | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | I flushed MrT! | Fri Dec 29 1989 16:35 | 5 |
| There's almost nothing *not* to like about Barry Sanders. If
he keeps this up, I'll despise him. Thank whomever he's
not on New England or I already would.
Dan
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| 43.30 | | HEURIS::METZGER | Still NOTY for 3 more days | Fri Dec 29 1989 16:46 | 15 |
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Come on over dan....
Forget the Jests...Join the Lion Bandwagon...I'll clear you a spot.
The Lions are becoming a class organization. They have classy atheletes. They
had a 5 game win streak at the end of the season. They play an offense that
is interesting. They play in the NFC. Their quarterbacks don't bite their ankles.
dan...dan...dan...
The Lions Bandwagon is calling you......
Metz
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| 43.31 | Was there ever any doubt? | UNXA::ADLER | Rich or poor, it's nice to have money. | Fri Feb 16 1990 17:03 | 1 |
| Barry Sanders 1989 ROTY
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| 43.32 | ready for football to start | FTMUDG::REED | Oklahoma State athletic supporter | Fri Feb 16 1990 17:23 | 4 |
| Anybody know when the season starts?
Cowboy
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| 43.33 | | FTMUDG::REED | OklaSt--#29 NCAA Wrestling Championship | Mon Apr 09 1990 12:40 | 9 |
| What's the latest noise in the Lion's camp?
Who are they looking at in the draft?
Ready for kick off
Cowboy
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| 43.34 | | UPWARD::HEISER | don't sample me, don't sample me | Mon Apr 09 1990 13:49 | 3 |
| > What's the latest noise in the Lion's camp?
ROAR!
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| 43.35 | Chuck Long didn't show up for mini camp. | UNXA::ADLER | Rich or poor, it's nice to have money. | Tue Apr 17 1990 19:52 | 3 |
| Says he wants to be traded.
/Ed
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| 43.36 | Send him to NE... | REFINE::ASHE | You better shop around... | Tue Apr 17 1990 20:32 | 1 |
| If they're touting Peete or Ware, wouldn't you?
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| 43.37 | Thanks Walt, but no thanks! | SALEM::RIEU | In search of...Mr Trout! | Wed Apr 18 1990 10:22 | 2 |
| Jist say NO to Big10 Qbs!
Denny
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| 43.38 | Why'd they take Ware? | UNXA::ADLER | Rich or poor, it's nice to have money. | Mon Apr 23 1990 16:11 | 6 |
| Can't understand it. I know he's supposed to be able to direct
the run-n-shoot, but so's Peete. And the Lions have soooooo many
other spots to fill, like defensive back and the pass rush. And
what'll happen if Sanders gets injured (G-d forbid)?
/Ed
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| 43.39 | Not a bad pick. | BSS::G_MCINTOSH | Vom Hochland German Shepherds | Mon Apr 23 1990 16:26 | 13 |
| I don't think it was a bad pick for a couple of reasons:
1. He apparently has a stronger arm than Peete, and thus can
play the r&s better than Peete.
2. Kiper had him listed as his #1 QB in the draft.
3. Having 2 QB's is definately an asset, no a liability.
4. Fontes must have just decided that this athlete was to good
to pass up for some other spot to fill.
Glenn
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| 43.40 | Is Peete's health/durability a concern? | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Paul Yankowskas | Mon Apr 23 1990 16:29 | 4 |
| Also, didn't Peete miss several games with injuries last year?
py
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| 43.41 | | POGO::REED | OklaSt--#29 NCAA Wrestling Championship | Tue Apr 24 1990 11:44 | 5 |
| It seems like Peete only played 2-3 games last year and that
was due to an injury that kept returning.
Cowboy
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| 43.42 | | REFINE::ASHE | I vant $$... Ivana B. Rich... | Tue Apr 24 1990 11:55 | 5 |
| He had an injury, but I think part of it was due to getting a lot
of pressure on him consistently. Hope they sure up the line for
Barry's, Ware's and for Peete's sake.... sorry couldn't resist...
Think they can get ANYTHING for Chuck Long now?
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| 43.43 | | GOMETS::mccarthy | Mike McCarthy MRO4-2/C17 297-4531 | Tue Apr 24 1990 12:20 | 3 |
| The Globe mentioned the Pats sending a 6th round pick for Long.
Mike
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| 43.44 | | REFINE::ASHE | Miss America, USA, Playmate '90,& me | Tue Apr 24 1990 15:17 | 1 |
| Fact or rumor? Not bad for a #1 what, 4 years ago?
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| 43.45 | | BSS::G_MCINTOSH | Vom Hochland German Shepherds | Tue Apr 24 1990 15:40 | 3 |
| Fact.
Glenn
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| 43.46 | Any help will be appreciated | WFOV11::MORRISON | Life is for learning | Mon Oct 01 1990 14:55 | 7 |
|
I need some info for our FFl league. Who scored the Lions
1st TD yesterday? The paper I have says Clark, but the league
statistician thinks it might have been Johnson.
Bull~
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| 43.47 | Riggimortis rulz | RSST6::RIGGEN | Burley from biking | Mon Oct 01 1990 16:21 | 5 |
| My paper says 4 yd pass from Peete to Clark.
Lost my game to JoJ's Yuppies
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| 43.48 | | REFINE::ASHE | Wrote a song 'bout it, here's how it goes | Thu Nov 15 1990 14:35 | 3 |
| Anyone heard who's starting this week?
I heard Ware was P.O'ed for getting the quick hook last week....
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| 43.49 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Detroit - no place for wimps ! | Mon Nov 19 1990 17:21 | 11 |
| As you probably know by know, Gagliano got the start.
I was in Motown lasted week, and Ware was on the coaching staff for
holding his hand, and giving hima watered down game plan. While he
threw 2 INTS, he did lead the Lions on a nice drive in the last 2 min.
of the 1st half, but then Karlis missed a FG, and the Lions trailed
10-0. He was benched at the start of the 2nd half.
Many feel that Ware's starting in the first place was a move made by
the front office, and not the coaching staff (who feels that he needs
more experience).
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| 43.50 | | REFINE::ASHE | B-b-b-baby, don't forget my lipsync | Mon Nov 19 1990 20:54 | 2 |
| Give the guy a shot on national TV... They probably won't make
the playoffs at this point anyway....
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| 43.51 | | AGNT99::MACNEAL | Mac's Back in Mass. | Tue Nov 20 1990 10:28 | 2 |
| The Lions are actually favored in the Turkey Day game. When was the
last time this happened?
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| 43.52 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | DockerS...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Tue Nov 20 1990 11:02 | 1 |
| Probably back when Alex Karras played Big Mac.
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| 43.53 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | Master of the Universe | Tue Nov 20 1990 12:09 | 6 |
| re -1
Alex Karras played Bic Mac? Was it one of those Ronald McDonald
cartoons or something?
Bruce
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| 43.54 | L-O-N-G time ago | SHALOT::HUNT | Shoeless Joe Belongs In Cooperstown | Tue Nov 20 1990 16:09 | 3 |
| Probably when the Christians were the visiting team ...
Bob Hunt
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| 43.55 | Too funny Bruce, I, will not, forget my commas, again, | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Docker...Pant for |CENSORED| | Tue Nov 20 1990 16:36 | 1 |
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| 43.56 | | REFINE::ASHE | B-b-b-baby, don't forget my lipsync | Tue Nov 20 1990 17:04 | 1 |
| Weren't they favored agaoainst the Browns lasted year?
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| 43.57 | Any suggestions? | SHALOT::MEDVID | If I could be God tonight... | Mon Nov 26 1990 11:35 | 8 |
| Before the Denver game, the Detroit News had fans call in and give new
names for the Run-and-Shoot. Here are some offerings:
Shoot-and-Miss
Sanders Limited
Jim Arnold's Weekly Workout
Honey, I Shrunk the Receivers
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| 43.58 | | WFOV11::MORRISON | OUCH!! That hurt! | Mon Nov 26 1990 13:05 | 9 |
|
Over in the GIANTS notes file, I called it the
Run-and-Shoot-and-Punt. If no one else has claim to it,
I think I'll (tm) that one.
It did look effective against Denver on T-day, but then
again it was only Denver, not a pro team :^>
Bull~
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| 43.59 | | CAM::WAY | Wiggle it, just a little bit | Mon Nov 26 1990 14:20 | 9 |
| The way the Detroit receivers have been dropping the balls thrown
to them, it reminds me of an old man with prostate problems.
His bladder tells him he MUST go relieve himself, yet his prostate
has things all blocked up. So he runs and shoots but can only dribble.
Make mine the Run and Shoot and Dribble,
'Saw
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| 43.60 | Need more balance... | REFINE::ASHE | The Perry Mason of notes... | Mon Nov 26 1990 14:49 | 3 |
| I think that now that they remembered who Barry Sanders was, they have
a shot at .500. Without his rushing, they maybe win 2 more games.
Sort of like the Vikes remembering they had Herschel.
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| 43.61 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | LegitimateSportingPurpose?E.S.A.D.! | Mon Nov 26 1990 15:52 | 7 |
| 43.62 | Here come the Raiders... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Trust Jesus | Tue Dec 04 1990 14:40 | 13 |
| Should be interesting to see how the Raiders handle the run-and-shoot
next Monday night. Perhaps even more interesting, will be to see
how the Lions handle the Raiders' Steam Roll (a.k.a. Bo and Marcus)-
-and-Rocket launch (a.k.a. Schroeder to Gault, Brown, or Fernandez).
If the Raiders can contain Sanders(which they will), they will win
decidedly IMHO. I expect the Raiders secondary (esp. Washington
and McDaniels)to have a good day, with regard to intys.
Raiders - 35
Lions - 24
His king-ly-ness,
Carlos
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| 43.63 | | REFINE::ASHE | Waiting 4u2 justify my video... | Tue Dec 04 1990 16:17 | 3 |
| Brown? Has Brown caught more than 10 passes all year? I know he
fair catches more than his share. Good thing he won the Heisman,
we know the talent the ND wideouts have....
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| 43.64 | | HPSRAD::SANTOS | | Wed Dec 05 1990 11:24 | 5 |
|
What ever happened to Rogers the DE who was involved in an auto accident
that fatally killed two people a few years ago?
Chuck
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| 43.65 | | REFINE::ASHE | Waiting... 4 u 2 justify my video... | Wed Dec 05 1990 18:12 | 1 |
| I think they released him...
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| 43.66 | Jimmy Williams gone? | UNXA::ADLER | Rich or poor, it's nice to have money. | Fri Dec 07 1990 11:52 | 3 |
| Saw a news item that Lions released LB Jimmy Williams. True? Why?
/Ed
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| 43.67 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Fri Dec 07 1990 12:36 | 3 |
| True. Had a run-in with Wayne Fontes.
John
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| 43.68 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Trust Jesus | Fri Dec 07 1990 12:37 | 3 |
| Who is gonna replace Williams ????
Carlos
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| 43.69 | Wasn't the offense that was the problem this year... | REFINE::ASHE | I want to sway atop the Empire St. Building | Mon Dec 17 1990 12:09 | 28 |
| <<< Note 43.27 by REFINE::ASHE "Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions!" >>>
>Who would have thought they'd finish better than the Bears. Definitely
>like the Sims years... 7-9, 8-8, 9-7, 8-8, 7-9... at least that's the
>way it seemed.
>Love to get Percy Snow, but not sure if he'll last... how bout this?
>Chuck Long to NE or somewhere for a #2?
>-Walt
Well, I guess it's time for the Lions to win their last 3 games and
finish up in true Lion fashion and a mediocre record. They proved last
night that if the defense played well, the rest of the team is in place
to at least be in the playoff hunt. Wouldn't any defensive help for
the #1 pick look big right now instead of Ware? They've proven they
don't miss Chuck Long. Or Eric Hipple....
If only they had won some of those close games (TB by 3, GB by 3,
Wash. and Chi. in OT, the Raiders was a close game...) they'd still
be in the hunt. Maybe they can find a way to sure up their defense,
and make sure Davis and Jones stay on the coaching staff and we can
really make a run at it this year...
-Walt
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