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    Rod Woodson and Tunch Ilkin were named to the AFC Pro Bowl team
    today.  First time the Steelers have had 2 players named in 4 years.
    
    
    JaKe
    

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PTOMV6::JACOB "A plotcher, hard luck your Lordship"  23 lines  19-SEP-1989 11:53
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>    re.56
>    The team may just be going from bad to worse.
    
>    I've followed the Steelers since the early '60's when I was a kid
>    and have stuck with them thruogh thick and thin.  The Super Bowl
>    years sort of clouded the memories of those horrible teams that
>    the fielded until the big turn around.  In the early '80's when
>    they were starting to fall apart, I used to get really worked up
>    over the games and when they'd lose, it would spoil my whole weekend.
>    Now, I just sit back with a six-pack or two and the remote control
>    and laugh.  The team, which some polls picked to finish 3rd in the
>    AFC Central, may win two or three games, or like the past two years,
>    when they are 0-12, or 1-11 they'll launch a 4 or five game winning
>    streak and give us hopes for next year.  Until they get an offensive
>    line and a defensive line, they will be the laughing stock of the
>    NFL.
    
>    I'm beginning to know how the Green Bay fans have felt for so many
>    years.  From Champs to Bums and no hope in site.
    
    
>    JaKe
    

    Looking back on when I wrote that reply, I didn't think that the
    Steelers could win 5 games this year.  Now, with only one week left
    in the season, the Steelers could finish 9-7 if they beat Tampa
    on Sunday.
    
    They could also do something else this year that I would have bet
    BIG money against after week 2, and that is make the playoffs if
    they beat the Bucs, and a couple of other teams cooperate and lose.
    I'm not counting on seeing the Steelers in the wild-card game but
    it sure would be nice.
    
    Chuck Noll, whose head I was calling for after 2 weeks, brought
    the team along very quickly this year, with 10 rookies and over
    half the roster has under 3 yrs experience.  
    
    After dropping their first 2 games by a 92-10 margin, the Steelers
    have only given up an average of 16.6 points a game.  Rod Rust,
    defensive coordinator attributes this to the defense becoming more
    comfortable with the new defense he installed this year in his first
    year with the team.  The team leads the AFC in takeaways-giveaway
    ratio.
    
    The offense still seems to sputter, but in his last 3 games, Tim
    Worley has shown some potential at running back, getting over 300
    yds in that time period.
    
    Bubby Brister, in his second year as starting QB, hasn't thrown
    too many interceptions, but also hasn't thrown many TD's.  he is
    showing signs of becoming more adept at reading defenses and adapting
    based on what he sees.
    
    The Steelers have won 3 of their last 4 and even if they don't make
    the playoffs, 8-8 or 9-7 is a welcome change from the 5-11 season
    they had last year.
    
    LOOKOUT FOR THE STEELERS IN THE 1990 SEASON, THOUGH.
    
    Steelers in Super Bowl in 1991.
    
    JaKe
    

    Well, I have to admit that even I would have bet big money against
    the Steelers making the playoffs this year, BUT, they got some help
    this weekend and now get to go to the House of Braindead (morons)
    and play the Houscum Oilslicks next Sunday in the AFC wildcard game.
    
    The Steelers will be sending out "Thank You" notes to the Giants
    for their victory over the Faiders, the Saints, for their victory
    over the Colts, and to the Vikings for their victory over the Bungles.
    
    As for the 2 losses to the Oilslicks this year, they lost 27-0 in
    the "House", but that was with Todd "bounce pass" Blackledge at
    QB.  They lost 23-16 in Pittsburgh in week 12 in a snowy game but
    they should have won that game.  The Oilslicks got a gift from the
    officials of a 4th time out in the first half, and with that help
    they scored a TD that otherwise wouldn't have been.  Also, in their
    game winning drive, the Oilslicks got another gift from the officials
    by getting a favorable call on a reception where the receiver was
    clearly out of bounds but the replay official wouldn't overturn
    it.  
    
    The Steeler team that the Oilslicks will face Sunday is a team that
    after the first 2 games where they lost by a combined score of 92-10
    went 9-5, including winning 5 of their last 6.  The defense has
    been extremely tough over the last half of the season, so it looks
    like it will be a good game.
    
    Win or lose, the Steelers had a good year, considering their 5-11
    record last year, and their near disastrous start this year.
    
    JaKe
    

    Prediction:
    
    Oilers   31
    Steelers  3
    
    At the end of the first half!
    jab

    re-.1
    
    You got the teams mixed up there.
    
    I predict a close defensive game which could go either way.
    
    JaKe
    

    Steelers   24
    Oilers     14
    
    Oilers have lost their heart and it's hard to beat the same team three
    times in a single season.  It will be even tougher after the last one
    was a gift and you've gone into a two game nose dive to end the season.
    Louie Lipps for two touchdowns.
    
    Roy Q.

    Steelers 31
    Oilers   24
    
    They are on a roll!

    How can anyone say the Steelers are on a roll?  Sure, they have won
    five out of six.  Lets analyze their schedule, shall we?
    
    The Steelers beat Tampa Bay, New England, NY Jets, Miami, and San Diego
    during their "awesome" comeback.  Doesn't look like any of these teams
    have a winning record, except for a .500 Dolphin team.  Oh, and that
    one loss was to Houston, a team with a winning record.
    
    I guess it really doesn't matter, since the BROWNS will be there in the
    end.  Just thought I would try to clear up any hallucinations you folks
    might be having.
    
    Have a nice day.     8^)
    
    jab
    

    re .10
    
    yo JAB if we are going to analyze Pittsburgh's schedule lets look
    at ALL the wins....
    
    hm.. lets see
    
    oh they beat Minnesota, KC, Cleveland (boy dont these teams sound
    like Oiler losses?)  and Detroit (who had a good finish)
    
    look at the whole picture JAB. that one sided note (.10) you put in makes
    me want to puke   
    
    

    I predict a PittsburgH victory in the 'dome.
    
    Houston has nothing left...I heard they're talking to Joe Walton about
    becoming the new offensive coordinator...CONGRATS.
    
    ha ha

    
    As long as Bubby is healthy and stays in control the Steelers can beat
    any team in the AFC playoffs. Worley has develop nice and along with
    Hodge is giving the offense balance. Defense has progress nicely also.
    
    As long as they don't get into the mind games with the oilers, they'll
    be all set because Oilers will take the big penalities....
    
    20-14 Steelers, then on to Pile it High where the slumping Donks are
    ripe for the pickings....
    
    mike

    
    
    	Well, way back at the start of the season, I predicted that
    the Steeler's would be lucky to win 3 games with this group of 
    stooge's.  Once again though, they proved me as well as a lot of
    other people wrong with a great turnaround.  Give credit where it
    is due, and a lot of credit should be given to Noll.  When the masses
    were demanding his head, he kept his head and got this group to
    mesh into a better team.
    	Now, I'll be the first to admit that the Steeler's aren't going
    to set the playoffs on fire (I still think they are a "Few Bricks
    Shy of the Load"), but at least they got there.  I don't care how
    they did it, they won when they had to and even if they didn't make
    it, the season could still be labeled as a success.
    	It's amazing that in Noll's entire coaching career, that he
    has never won Coach of the Year.  I know there were some great coaching
    jobs done this year, but Noll has got to get some credit sometime!!
    
    				
    					One for the thumb!!   bill..g.
    

    Re .14
    
    Oh SH*T, the "Wardle kiss of death".  Thanks alot.  The Steelers have
    it tough enough without the "JINX".
    
    
    :-)
    
    JaKe
    

    Get `em JoJ,  Give `em the KoD
    
    Big Game

    Just be thankful that Dinz didn't pick the Steelers (or did he?).  That
    would be the REAL kiss of death.

    C'mon JaKe, even spelled PittsburgH with an "H"....
    
    JoJ

    You guys are in deep doo doo......  The Infamous Waddle just
    jumped your band wagon......   The Steelers are HISTORY !!!
    
    
    Big Game

    STEELERS OVER OILERS
    

    ALLSET JACK... WILL BE DONE THIS WEEKEND
    
    DINZ
    

    Sounds good,  Send me mail when the mission is driven to completion.
    
    Big Game

    
    	I know what it iiiiiiiis!  'Bout friggin' time this
    	charade(sp?) was over!
    
    Claybone

    Listen Claybone_head,
    
     You just keep quiet for a few more days.  I'd hate to have to
    come down and have a heart to heart chat with you about letting
    the cat out.  Yea, Thats right, I'm talking to you !
    
    
    Big Game

    
    
    remember when this note was used to talk about the Steelers???

    Sorry,
    
     I guess I was the one that sent it down the "Rat Hole".  
    
    
     I really think that Noll (sp?) should have gotten COTY,
    he brought a sorry club up to `offs caliber in one year.
    Bubby Brister could be a hell of alot better if the 
    Steelers "Only Had A Line"
    
    Big Game

    You're damn right you'd "hate it".  You wouldn't even survive 
    it you little girly-mon!  Sorry Steeler fans.  I just couldn't
    let Cacti slide......
    
    Claybone

     Survive it !!  Hell, after I was done with you Manino would have
    to spend the rest of the day putting you back together. 
    Clay_Bone_Head,  I don't think you know just exactly who you're 
    dealing with!
    
    Many ;^)
    
    
    Big Game        HAPPY NEW YEAR !

    Congratulation to the Steelers...they really took it to the
    Oilers. I guess JoJ does not have have the Kiss-of-Death after all.
    Ship Glandville(sp) off to the Atlanta Falcons they deserve each
    other.
    
    Edwin

    **********   N E W S F L A S H   **********
    
    Steelers survive Wardle "KISS OF DEATH".  Oilslicks now concentrating
    on their golf games.  Oilslicks pull Brown(spot)s(tm) trick and choke
    on the big one.  
    
    "Biff" Elway and the jackasses to face the real Steelers Sunday.
    
    Take the Steelers and the points straight to the bank.
    
    GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    JaKe
    

    
    It was nice to finally be able to watch the Steelers this year. I had
    forgotten how conservative Noll is. I kept waiting for him to go deep
    but then remembered the 70's and knew that he wasn't going deep until
    he had to. Worley and Hoge make a nice pair and keep the pressure off
    of Bubby. 
    
    This sunday will be interesting. If they keep Elway in the pocket he'll
    make his mistakes. I'd like to see them blitz a little more cause the
    pass rush wasn't to good. Moon completed a lot of passes but Elway
    isn't as good as Moon so maybe they can just play it straight and get
    the job done...
    
    and wasn't it nice to hear Bubby speak after a game. "Hell I'm happier
    than Shit" or something to that effect on national TV. Nice to hear a
    guy talk like a regular Joe instead of giving us spoon fed PR
    garbage...
    
    mike

    This was the first game I've watched the Steelers from start to finish.
    I was impressed, but I'd say the Bubster has to learn to control himself. 
    Did I see him flip the ref the finger while walking off the field?  He
    was already real close to getting tossed.
    
    					Steve

If Brister could throw a pass greater than 20 yards with any accuracy the 
Steelers wouldn't have had to go to OT. Several times he had men wide open 
down field and couldn't connect.

I'd say that Pittsburgh should draft a top linebacker with their first round 
choice this year. Their linebackers looked extremely slow covering the pass.
they had no pass rush even with 4 men coming at all times. If they could pick 
up an impact LIne backer that couuld rush the passer and cover they could create
havoc nexted year.

I think Earnest Givins cought all 11 passes running the exact same play. Line up
inside the 2 wide outs. Run all the way across the field at different depths and
then wait for moon to throw it after he outran the coverage. I couldn't believe
they weren't chucking him at the line or doing anything to stop his route.

I'd love to see Pittsburgh beat denver but I don't see it happening. Denver will
stuff the run and Bubby had better play better for his mother than this week.

BTW - Has glanville been fired yet ? Sooo much talent, Sooo little to show for 
       it.


Metz

    Hey Jake....I told ya the Steelers would beat the Glanvilles...
    
    
    Yo! Doc 12am....Glanville is the new official Joe Walton of the NFL.
    
    Yep...take lots of talent and go nowhere with it. Glanville truly
    Walton'd it.
    
    JoJ

    
    
    	To say that I am surprised at the Steeler's showing on Sunday
    is an understatement!  It was the first time this year (with the
    exception of pre-season) that I have been able to sit down and watch
    them.  Nothing really surprised me about certain aspects of the
    their play though.  Run the ball 2 times then on 3rd and long, pass.  
    The offense did a good enough job, even a little better than I
    expected, but the defense was the key once again.
    
    	Talk about bending and not breaking...The oilers blew a bunch of
    chances when they couldn't punch it in from inside the 20.  Same
    old Steeler's.  Give up everything between the 20's, then stuff
    the run inside the 20 and give up the 3.  I liked the defense from
    that standpoint, but what bothers me is that once again, there was
    little or no pressure on Moon.  Adding to that was the fact that
    they gave up the short route too much and were literally picked
    apart.  One can only wonder how much Merriweather would of helped
    this team had he been there.  Losing Hinkle also hurt.  I don't think 
    Brister had a very good game because he is a better passer then he 
    showed on Sunday.
    
    	As for next week..Steeler's are on a Fairy Tale ride and as
    we all know, ANYTHING can happen in the playoffs.  This team is
    awfully young which is both bad and good at times.  Right now, 
    their youth is refreshing in that they have nothing to lose, they
    can just go out and have some fun.  I just hope they play well against
    Denver and don't give the game away on turnovers.  Win or lose,
    it's been a very good year for the Steeler's.
    
    			time to bring out the ole "terrible towel"!!
    
    							bill..g.
                                                                  

    
    Bubby has a fine long arm, he just missed on a few of those. Take a
    look during the year and see how many bombs he connected on. I think
    the problem sunday was as stated that they worked out indoors on a
    small surface and didn't have the room to work on the long plays.
    
    We'll see sunday in Pile It High....
    
    Does anyone else in the AFC deserve it more than the Steelers?
    
    not from where I sit....
    
    mike
    

    
    As a Die Hard Steeler fan I have to say that it was great watching them
    beat Houston.  I didn't have a whole lot of faith in them, but they
    pulled it out and recovered nicely from the mistakes.  I will have to
    agree with the concensus that they need a better pass rush than they
    have.  The defensive line gave Moon little to no pressure and looked
    pretty slow getting off the ball.  I like Brister as a QB.  He is young
    and energetic and knows how to get his team fired up.  He has a problem
    connecting with the deep pass, but the receivers also dropped some easy
    passes that they should have caught.  Noll has shown that he can still
    coach in this league, but his conservative play calling will be the
    downfall of this team.
    
    Well here's to hoping that they give the Bronc's a ride for their
    money...
    
    
    Jim B.
    

    
    	WHAT A SLOPPY GAME!!!  
    
    	Don't expect too much out of them next week!  
    
    	The donks get lucky...and have to play the mumbleing, bungling
    	sludge from Erie....Buster is NO GOOD!  What a kid!
    
    	ARF ARF ARF
    

      The stellers will lose to Broncs with the pittiful pass rush that
    they have.  Also their running game isn't that great,  even knowing
    that it is better than last year.
    
      I don't think the stellers has what it takes to beat the best team in
    the afc.
    
       Broncs	27	Stellers	10
    
    
    		Tj

    
    re: -1..
    
    Over the last five games the Steelers are the "best team in the AFC".  
    
    /Jeff

    
    	over the last two games...
    
    		THE CLEVELAND BROWNS ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE NFL!!!
    
    	ARF ARF ARF
    

    Pittsburgh has played ; 
    Miami
    Houston
    Jests
    Patsies
    Tampa Bay
    
    5-1 is really impressive against that tough schedule. Only Miami had a
    chance at the playoffs in that group of losers. 
    
    

    
    	the steelers had the best record for the last 5 games in the
    afc but they also had the easiet.
    	you want to talk about tough schedules.  check out dallas's
    last five:
    
    	phil (11-5)
    	rams (11-5)
    	at phil 
    	giants (12-4)
    	green bay (10-6)
    
    	ouch!
    
    sean

    
     that a boy Riggens spoken like a true donko fan....
    
    and back when the donko's were 5-1 it was against top notch
    competition too
    
     Kansas City  handed the game on turnovers
     Buffalo      biggest head cases around
     Raiders      we all know what you guys think of the Raiders
     Browns       a loss (let the crying start)
     San Diego    great d no o
    
    mike

    Thanks for the Input Mike'e 
    
    4-5 of those teams were in the Hunt for a Playoff birth and 2 of them
    won their division. 
    
    
    

    
    	i count 2-5  (houston, miami) in the hunt and none of the 5 won 
    their division!
    
    sean

    
    it's easy to be in the playoff hunt when 1 game above 500 gets you
    in.......
    
    mike

    
    
    re a few back
    
    look at the entire Steeler schedule ... not the last 5 games.. they
    beat some good teams this year (not many)......
    
    on Pittsburgh running game.....
    
       Worley is starting to turn it out. Cleveland thinks they have a
    running game now because crack mack is back. thatmains to be seen.
    
    win or lose in Denver it was a great season for Pittsburgh

    I know the view looks dim but I wouldn't just count the steelers out
    just yet.  The broncos are certainly favored (-8) but they haven't
    looked the greatest over the last 4 weeks.  The steeler team has
    improved by leaps and bounds since thier last meeting(broncs 34-7). 
    The steelers played ok against the oilers but far from a great game
    for them.  They didn't get the kick return game going, very little
    Louie Lipps, and Bubby appeared to be a bit frazzled without need
    inside the 30.  The steelers should be loose going into Denver if they
    take advantage of scoring opportunities they could definitely beat the
    broncs.  Of course winning anything now is icing on the cake.  
    
    Roy Q.

    Donks CRUSH Squealers...........   Film at 11:00.......
    
    Big Game

    Elway will be able to eat corn on the cob thru a picket fence after
    the Steeler defense gets thru with him.  Ole "Biff" will leave after
    the first quarter with "bruised teeth".
    
    
    JaKe
    

     "Old Biff"  May leave the game but it gonna be because 
    the Broncos are so far out in front  and don't want to
    embarrass the lowly SQUEALERS !!
    
    Big Game
    

    
    ah Big Game, I hear he's already having menstral cramping and is
    doubtful for sunday.......
    
    ;^)
    
    you know who

     Guess again Mikey !!  Elway will Dominate this game
    as he has in all of his other Playoff game.  Look for
    a huge Bronco Win....
    
    Big Game

    I read in the paper yesterday that of the 46 teams that have played in
    the Super Bowl, only 3 had a losing record in their last 5 games.
    50%of the teams that made it finished 4-1.
    
    of the 4 teams in the AFC, here's how they finished:
    
    Denver Jackasses          2-3
    Clevescum Brown(spot)s    2-3
    Baffalo Billieboys        1-4
    STEELERS                  4-1
    
    The Steelers may not have beaten any powerhouses in the last 5, BUT
    they won the games they should have.  They are on a roll and Sunday
    there won't be a repeat of the 34-7 drubbing they suffered a couple
    months ago.  Noll and the rest of the team will show up with a game
    plan that will suprize the Jackasses and the game will be a close one,
    maybe even be decided in the final minute.
    
    Win or lose, the Steelers have had a good year, winning 10 of their
    last 15 after getting blown out in the first 2 weeks.
    
    Sunday, facing the Donks, is next year's AFC Central division CHAMPS.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    The steelers will not overcome the OT win in Houston...they will
    lose!
    
    	ARF!  Looking forward to another game against the donks!
    

    
    
    re -1
    
    dont be so confident on beating the Bills this saturday. depends on
    which Cleveland team shows up this week

    
    Don't worry PTO...THE DAWGS WILL BE THERE!  That is all that will
    be needed!  The pound opened on Tuesday!  The Slaughter begins on
    Saturday!  The Dawg House will be full!  
    
    ARF!

    Lite Locks....  The Clowns won't make it past the Bill's,  
    Take it to the bank....
    
    Big Game

    The Clowns can't run on the Bills.  Besides they aren't ready to play
    since Bernie can't decide on a dress for the game.
    
    Cowboy
    

      Steelers still suck!!!!!  Film is to ugly to show at 11!!  Broncos
    are the best AFC team of the 80's, and is still the best for the 89-90
    season!!
    
    		Tj

    
    	Thats right JACOB...someone told him you were going to be 
    	there Saturday...
    
    		Did you put your lipstick on today???
    
    
    
    		Bernie said...he likes you better in Red!
    
    	HeHeHe
    
    	ARF!

    Hey wite(brainless)head:
    
    I don't prefer the equipment that's there. Although, with Bernie and
    his playing like a girl, you never know what you'd find.
    
    Your rabid chihauhaus will fall either this week or next, BUT, in the
    unlikely occurence they make the Big game, they'll be nothing more than
    toilet paper for the NFC team to wipe up with.
    
    
    JaKe
    
    

    
    
    	I must be in the Twilight Zone here...could of sworn that I
    already read the Bronco's note.
    

doeseveryonelikethenewwaywekeeppeoplereadingdrivel?

I think a lot of noters received instructions on how to insert
form-feed characters in notes, for Christmas...


Personally, I think the Steelers are a Cinderella team if I ever
saw one.  I hope they hit Elway so hard that his dentures fly forth
from that ever-widening, ever-sickening maw and impact Iris Chacon's
butt.
    
Bubby will have a big day, Louis Lipps will sink the broncs ship once
and for all.

You heard it heard first....

Chainsaw

    re .67
    
    "Rabid Chihauhaus" ?
    
    I'm flooooorrrrwaaaaard !
    
    DrM

     `Saw,  get outta town..
    
    Big Game

    
    New line Donks favored by 10.  It doesn't matter though they'll lose
    outright!!!!
    
    IIIIIIII got a feeeeeeeeeelin' Pittsburg's going to the SuperBowl !!!

       re-.76
    
        You better check your feelings,  because Pitt don't stand a chance
    this weekend.  The only way they will win is if the browns or oilers
    show up instead of the Broncos.
    
       Just call me junky

    Another "JUNK NOTER" someone call the Kinder&Gentler(tm) police. 
    
     Tim,  You stop that now,  You wouldn't want to offend anyone by
    suggesting that their team isn't the greatest thing since the 
    coming of Christ.  Remember, Tim, This is a Kinder&Gentler(tm) topic,
    we can't have any fun here.....  ;^)
    
    You know,  I kinda like this,
    
    Big game

    Steelers over slumping Broncos. They have only won one game in the last
    month.
    
                             Steve J.

    Yes,  But the Donks were just being Kinder&Gentler(tm) the
    last 4 weeks.  After all, who other than A Kinder&Gentler
    footbal team would allow other team to win so that those
    teams could avoid emabrrasment.
    
    Big Game

	That long time Steeler fan, Mike Childs has been trying to persuade
me all week to get off the Donks bandwagon, and I think I am starting to see
things in a new light.  Now look at the Steelers uniforms, black and gold,
classy colors, manly colors the kind of colors you would expect a football
team to wear.  Now look at the Broncos colors, orange and blue.  Orange and
blue?  Those are the kind of colors you would find in a nursery!  Now look
at the names of some of the players.  The Steelers have players with names
like Dwight Stone, Tunch Ilkin and Ron Woodson, great football names.  I
scan the Broncos roster and see names like Kip Corrington, Randy Robbins and
Simon Fletcher.  Jeesh, it sounds like a yuppie law firm.  

	I started thinking what kind of person would root for the Steelers,
and what kind of person would root for the Broncos.  Arnold Schwartzenger
would root for the Steelers.  Pee Wee Herman would root for the Broncos.  
Kathleen Turner would root for the Steelers.  Anita Bryant would root for
the Broncos.  The late great Ernest Hemmingway would've rooted for the
Steelers.  That former fruit Truman Capote would've rooted for the Broncos.
The guys who order a shot and a beer will be rooting for Pittsburgh.  The
guys who order Pina Colatas and other fruity type drinks with plastic 
umbrellas will be rooting for Denver.  

	Look at the respective team's histories.  When you think of the
Steelers you think of Bradshaw to Swan, Mean Joe Greene and a long list
of Super Bowl records.  When you think of the Broncos you think of Super
Bowl records too.  All set by the other team of course.  Even when the
Steelers were bad, they were a colorful collection of hard drinking hard
playing free spirits.  When you think of the Broncos past you think of those
silly stripes on their uniforms.

	Well I'm convinced.  The Steelers are America's team.  I'm a Bubby
believer!  Go Steelers!
    
    				/Don

    re.81
    
    I rest my case, the Steelers over the Donks this Sunday, 16-14.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    re.81---- Great Note!!!!

    ditto!
    
    
    Charlie (JNing can be fun when done in moderation!)

    I won't be in the office next week.  I'm only saying this because if
    the Steelers lose Sunday I know someone would accuse me of Dr.
    Midnighting next week by being conspicously absent from here.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    If Pee Wee's on the Denver bandwagon, then go Donks!
    

       The stellers will choke on Denvers smog and thin air.  It took the
    wind out of them earlier this year,  and I don't think they learned
    their lesson.
    
      I guess I can be one of those K & G people to, but for how long,
    I don't know.
    
       The Broncos will be victorious!
    
    
      Broncs   24	Stellers    10
    
    
    		Tim

     Now I Surly don't want to be accused of "Junk Noting" 
    so I'm not going to even try to rebuff the trash in .81.
    It's so nice to live in a facist notes file where one 
    doesn't feel free to state his opposing opinion.
    
     The one thing that I will say is that that was quite a
    creative note with absolutly no FACTUAL(tm) basis. The
    Donks will not only beat the Squealers, they will embarrass
    them into quiting at the half.
    
    Big Game

    	Jack, I tell ya it all FACK.  I did the research all week long.
    Sorry to see anyone interpreting it as a JN.  I wouldn't lie to
    a fellow Giants' supporter.
    
    				/Don

    Well /Don,
    
     There may be *SOME* FACKTUAL(Tm) basis to you verbage in
    .81 but just like everyother ANTI-DONK, you have twisted
    them to suit your needs.  You have obviously be Brain
    Washed by the Brain Dead.....  Go see your analisyst, you
    really need help.  ;^)
    
    KG_Big Game

    Last weeks game against the Oilers was the first time I've seen this
    Bubby guy, and I wasn't impressed by his constantly way-off-the-mark
    passes.  And, at least half of them were down right piss-poor, ones
    that Doug Flutie would've easily made.  Hopefully, that was just a bad
    day for him because the rest of the Steelers team ain't that bad.
    
    I'd say that Bubby must hit 60% of his passes if the Steelers are going
    to beat the Broncos.......
    
    Hawk

    /Don,
    
    Great, great note.  I do admit my cousin is a Bronco fan, and he
    don't drink no umbrella drinks, but he's an exception.  When I met
    those guys Wardle knows out at CXO, they were all drinking Fuzzy
    Navels and stuff like that, Monty at least had some good beer, as
    did I.  
    
    Bubby reminds me of a young Bradshaw.
    
    JD

    Hey Slasher, you may be a phony Carnac, but you're a convincing
    salesman.
    
    Go Steelers...!!!

    A few FACKTUAL(tm) points of contention;
    
    	1.  I am A Broncos fan and I don't drink none of those
    	    Girly Mon Drinks and neither do any of my Buddys of
    	    which Mr. Wardle happens one  (right Jim ??)  ;^)
    
    	2.  Monty Wouldn't know good beer if you pored it on him.
    
    	3.  Bubby Brister will never come close to the Greatness
    	    reached by Bradshaw.  I realize he is young and that
    	    given a chance to learn he will of course get much
    	    better than he is now.  But.....  At this stage of his
    	    career,  he has neither the talent, poise or experience
    	    to take his team to the conference championship let alone
            the SB.  In all seriousness,  I think the Broncos will
    	    man handle the Squealers.  Denver in a rout.......
    
    
    		KG_BRONCOS	35
    
    		JN_SQUEALERS    10
    
    KG_Big Game

    
                Dum -                   Dum -       Daaahh
    Dum - Dee -      Dum...  Dum - Dee -      Dum -       
    
    The following story is true.  The names have been changed to protect
    the innocent.                 
    
    "Friday, January 5th.  I was working the JN squad."
    
    "O.k., boys, round up all the JN-ers and bring 'em down to the station.
    If they so much as twitch a typing finger, cut off their nodes."
    
    2nd Detective:  "Joe? Sargent Joe Friday? Is that you?  Why, you
    old dog, I haven't seen you since we did that old TV show together.
    Say, I'd heard you were permanently assigned to the Broncos note.
    What are you doing here?"
    
    "Just flew in this morning.  Got a bulletin that there have been
    some rampant JN-ing all over the system.  Seems to happen this time
    every year.  Just want to nip it in the bud.  And by the way, it's
    not 'Sargent Joe Friday' anymore."
    
    "Oh, you got the promotion to captain?"
    
    "Well, not exactly, it's actually Sargent Joe Saturday.  It's like
    a promotion in name only without the increased salary benefit. 
    You know how it's been with the hiring freeze, wage freeze and all."
    
    "I hear ya, Joe. But congrats anyway.
    "By the way, Joe, I know we have our job to do and I don't want
    this to sound hypocritical, but this wouldn't by any chance be
    considered a junk note, would it?"
    
    "No problem.  We work for the moderators."
    
    [insert canned laughter/smilies here]
    
    -Dick
    
    

Dick, I am severely rollward! 

re Fuzzy Navels...

I believe it JD... I believe it...

    
    
    
    special teams will win this one for Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh will block a
    punt and also have a great return by Woodson either on a kickoff or a 
    block punt that will take the sail out of Denver (geez...im starting to
    sound like Dr M....:^)
    
    Go Pittsburgh!!!!!!

Most of the Donk fan's I know can't even spell Fuzzy let alone drink
some... And Big Game I do drink good beer, Americas Beer!!!!

The Donks will have their hand's full this weekend and watch ol Collie boy
say a few bad words on the sideline.... Most folk's can read lips and
he  is not talking like he's in Sunday school...

Watch for Mr. Ed to be eatin turf!!!

Monty

    In order for Pittsburgh to win Sunday the Defense has to play a career
    game. Denver will not give up on the run the way Houston did. Denver is
    very comfortable playing smash ball up the middle all afternoon. 
    
    Denver's Defense can stop Worley and Hoge. 
    
    Offense;
    Denver 7th   Pittsburgh 14th
    
    pass, 
    Denver 11th  Pittsburgh 14th
    run, 
    Denver 4th   Pittsburgh 9th
    
    Defense;
    Denver 2nd   Pittsburgh 10th
    
    pass, 
    Denver 2nd   Pittsburgh 10th
    run, 
    Denver 1st   Pittsburgh 9th
    
    Jeff             

    
    Correction Jeff,
    
    Denver's defense cannot stop Worley and Hodge. They haven't stopped
    a running game since they payed off Okoye to sit out a game ;^)...
    
    Monty, don't expect Elway to eat much turf, pitt's presure on QB's
    is pretty non-exsistant. look for Elway to throw lots of inties ;^)
    
    mike

    Hi all you KG(tm) Squealer fans......   
    
     Say what you will about the Denver defense and Mr. Ed.  
    The only thing that counts is who comes out on top in
    the end.  I have consulted my crystal ball and I have 
    seen the future.  The Broncos can't lose this game. 
    The Squealers just don't have the talent to beat the 
    best team in football which happens to be the Denver
    Broncos.  I forget who the KG(tm) CLOWN was that said
    the broncos haven't stopped a running game since they
    payed off KC but he/she must be a mushroom.  The Broncos 
    have the best Defense in the AFC and "Our Man John" always
    shines in the playoffs.  Look for Elway to take control
    of this game early.  The Pittsturd Squealers will be
    blown out before the half.
    
    
    KGBGH

    
    Because Philadelphia and the Giants ran on them with easy. Many of
    the broncos earlier opponents had no running game. And to their
    credit many times they got an early lead forcing a team to pass
    against them, which leads me to believe their #1 ranking is
    deceiving......
    
    doesn't matter if pitt can't run Bubby will just have to have a career
    day. You know and I know the broncos are taking this lightly and that
    will be their downfall.....
    
    I heard that Reeves broke out the AFC championship throphies the other
    day for inspiration...atleast he was smart enough to know they can
    reach no higher.......
    
    mike

      re .107
    
      Mike,  You better not worry so much about the Broncos beating up your
    stellers,  you better worry about the Rams beating up those giants.
    
      BTW....Go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
    
    
    		TJ

    
    TJ, I never worry about things I cannot control. Rams are tough no
    question but Giants will have made the most of their two weeks off
    and take it to the RAms defensively first, then the sputtering offense
    will pour it on late to secure the victory.......
    
    Broncos couldn't even beat the Chargers and I should worry about them?
    
    mike

    (Start Whiney voice) 
    
    Why is it that every time the Broncos are reated number 1 in
    a catagory it's either a meaningless stat or the ranking is
    deceiving or someother BS like that.  But let some QB whos
    team is 0-15 be ranked number 1 and he is god.  I get real
    sick of people bashing everything about the Broncos.  I can't
    remember the last time I saw someone other than a Bronco fan
    say something good about the Donks.   
    
    
    (End Whiney Voice)  ;^)
    
    KGBGH

    Re a few back
    
    When Bradshaw first broke into the starting QB job in Pgh., a lot of
    people said he'd never amount to much and he lost his starting job to
    Joe Gilliam in the beginning of the year, I think '74, when they won
    their first Super Bowl.  Brister has all of the tools necessary to be
    the second coming of Bradshaw to Pgh.  If he can refine them, the
    Steelers may be the team to beat in the '90s.  
    
    Remember, this is only his second year as a starting QB and he only
    started 13 games last year and 13 reg season this year.  Bradshaw took
    3-4 years before he came into his own and then after that, well, the
    rest is history.
    
    Win or lose Sunday, it's been a hell of a year.
    
    As stated earlier, I won't be Dr. 12am'ing next week, I'm gonna be out
    of town.  (so, there'll be a lull in the JN problem sports wide  :-)
    
    JaKe
    
    GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    

    Haven't seen so much activity in the Steelers note all year; it was
    mostly game reports from JaKe and an occasional nostalgic wish for the
    old days from me!
    
    Anyway...I get to see my first Steelers game since 1971 (the year
    before they got good) on Sunday (and my first Broncos game, for what
    that's worth).  Gotta root for the Steelers, even though I'd be happy
    if either team was in the Super Bowl.  
    
    Steelers 16
    Broncos  13

    The Broncos have the best record in the AFC.
    
                               Steve J.
    
    The Steelers will still give them a run for their money.

     A very good game... Steelers should have said something about BB
    not being able to be heard on the last Steeler fumble with 2 minutes
    left...
    
    
    Bronks 24
    Steelers 23..
    
               REK

    After being 11 point underdogs at game time, the Steelers gave the
    Donks a run for their money.  It's a shame the season had to end the
    way it started, with a fumble.  
    
    The Steelers should be proud of the way they played yesterday
    and I'm sure they will be around come playoff time next year.
    
    This is a young team and they are on their way up.
    
    Chuck Noll likened this years draft to the one in the '70's where he
    got Swann, Stallworth, Lambert, and others that solidified the team
    just before their 4 Super Bowls in  years.
    
    
    I was dissapointed last night but overall, I'm glad they made such a
    good showing last night.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Sonme stats:
    
    Brister  19-29, 0 interceptions, 1 TD, a couple of dropped passes.
    Overall, he played his best game of the year.  Was not sacked but
    had a fumbled snap on the last Steeler offensive play of the game.
    
    Hoge   120 yds   had 100 in first half.  Also caught 8 passes for
    60+yds
    
    Worley   had about 50 yds.  Caught a couple of passes.
    
    Offensive line trapped well and gave Brister the time he needed.
    
    WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR, AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH
    
    
    JaKe
    

    It's a shame that the best team on the field yesterday had to lose.
    Pitt's got a lot to look forward to in the near future- they'll be one
    heck of an exciting team!
    
    Just hopefully, they'll keep Bubby's mom in the stands and not on my tv
    screen.  Enough is enough!
    
    Hawk

    
    Great show by the boys what a shame. Imagine what a couple of defensive
    lineman cann do for this team? The offense looks set but could use
    another burner to go with Lipps. Secondary and the linebackers look
    solid too. 
    
    Made my day to watch them push that number 1 against the run defense
    around like they were high school boys.....
    
    mike

     Re: a few back...
    
     The best team on the field didn't lose and they are on their 
    way to another Superbowl.  The Steelers played a hell of a 
    game against the Broncos but when the chips were down Elway
    and his team drove down the field and scored when it counted.
    I think alot of credit is due both teams.  Pittsburgh deserves
    some credit for over-coming  all the problems at the begining 
    of the season and really coming on for the playoffs.  The 
    Broncos deserve credit for being a Superbowl contender and
    being able to drive down the field and score when it really counts.
    The Steelers could't do that.....  I think thats the difference.
    
     Good Game...... The Steelers, The Lions and Packers are all
    going to be contenders next year.
    
    GO BRONCOS  !!!            GO BRONCOS  !!!           GO BRONCOS !!!
    
    
    Big Game   (yea it was)

       Too bad steelers,  but they did play one hellava game.  I am sick of
    boobies mom.  I did like it when they showed her baliing her eyes out
    after the fumble.  Booby is a spoiled brat (my opinion only), but he
    does look like he has alot of good qualities.  He will be in his 6th
    year next year.  He better be all pro then,  because I'm tired of
    hearing about the potentials of people, aren't you??
    
    
    
       Kills the Dawgs!!!!
    
    		Tj

    My hat's off to the Steelers, they gave Denver all they wanted and
    more.  What a game!! One nit, why didn't they stay with Hoge in the
    second half? Denver better wake up this week 'cause the Dawgs is coming
    to town. 

    Why didn't they stay with Hoge in the Second Half ?
    
    They did credit to Noll for figuring that Denver would adjust to stop
    the run and use Hoge as a reciever out of the backfield. 
    Hoge had 108 yds rushing in the fist half and 0 yds receiving 
    He finished the game with 120 yds rushing and 60 yds receiving. 
    
    Jeff
    

    	Maybe the best team won yesterday, but they sure didn't cover.
    
    				/Don

    Re: Bubby's Mom
    
     I'll tell ya what....  I can't beleive they put that lady 
    on the screen so much.  She get more air time than the coaches
    do.  If I were Bubby, I would be embarrassed......  the guy is 
    almost 30, give me a break.  
    
    Big Game
    
    GO BRONCOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    
    re: -1
    
    	The guy is almost 30??  How do you figure??  I can understand
    how one can figure Elway's age, but Bubby's teeth are human.
    
    re: the game
    
    	Well, Cinderella's dance at the ball was cut short, but at least
    the shoe fit!
    	
    	Steeler's lost the battle but I think they won the war.  I can
    honestly say that I thought the Steeler's played a great game, but
    just came up a little short.  For the better part of 55 minutes,
    the Steeler's were in control and could of won the game.  The two
    turnovers and the nit-picky 5 yarders were big, but hey, them's
    the breaks...not to mention the blocked extra point (that just made
    it) and the field goal that hit the upright, but like I said, them's
    the breaks.
    	The Steeler's played their hearts out and you can't ask for
    more than that.  Bubby played really well as did Hoge and the entire
    offensive line.  
    	I'm satisfied with the season after I was talking doom and gloom
    after the first two games.  They still need a couple of key people,
    but the important thing this year, is the fact that they gained valuable
    playoff experience and the feeling that they can play with anybody.
    	Whatever way you look at it, it was a great job done by all,
    including Noll!!
    
    							bill..g.
                                      

    
    are you Dink fans are just jealous cause they can't put Elway's mom
    on the screen. She too busy grazing out in the field and besides the
    seats aren't big enough for her....
    
    ;^)
    
    mike

Did anybody see the post game interviews? The one with Bubby was a riot!!

Reporter: " Well Bubby, what do you think. Did the best team win today? "

Bubby: " What the hell kind of question is that?! What do you expect me to
say?! That we're not good!? That Denver's not good?! We played a good game, and
we're going to be better next year... we've been improving all year. Denver
played a good game, and did what they had to do to win. That was a Bullshit
question! "

I was rollin'.... I hear so many reporters asking inane questions, it was
really refreshing to have an athlete respond like that. The reporter quickly
said ` Well, let's cut back to the studio', and then the talking head said
something about how they had to be careful when they were interviewing live.
What a crock. Night after night the so called `News' shows blood and guts and
violence and up-close-and-personal on every sordid facet of society you can
think of... but let someone say `bullshit' and they wet their pants.

Mike JN

    Re.122
    Next year will be Brister's 5th year in the NFL.  He will be going into
    his 3rd year as the Steelers starting QB, barring any injury.
    
    After suffering thru Cliff Stoudt and Mark Malone, Brister is a
    welcome sight.
    
    JaKe
    

    The Steelers can be proud of the season they had. I think they
    controlled the game, but a couple of costly mistakes gave the
    game to Denver in the end. I think Denvers' season will end next
    week. (Cleveland and Los Angeles in the Super Bowl)
    
    Jim

    Re: Mike JN
    
     Kinda like this notes file.....  
    
    Big Game

Jack,

	Don't be so uptight. It's perfectly alright to say `The Cactus Sucks'
(  and everyone does say that *;'D  ), as long as you put it on the Community
Bulletin Board, and don't intend it as a personal attack on anyone.

See????
Mike JN

    
    On ther flip side Steven he also thrown more interceptions than TD's the
    last two years just to show both sides of the story...
    
    mike

    Anyone able to post the 1990 STEELER schedule here??????
    
    
    JaKe
    

     Listen Mike JN,
    
     I think I had about enough of your BS......  You got something to 
    say to me,  Come and say it to my face.  You know where I sit you
    jerk off.  ;^)  ;^)  ;^)  ect...........
    
    
    Big Game

    (a day late, but I was travelling yesterday)
    
    a great game...and even better, my cousin (a news producer at Channel
    9 in Denver) got us great seats.  I hated to see Pittsburgh lose, but
    you can tell that they'll be back.  If their pass defense tightens up a
    bit, they can really go places.
    
    As Newsome was punting the last time before the Broncos scored, it
    seemed like that was only his second punt of the game;  and it was. 
    Except for two punts and Worley's 1st 1/2 fumble, the Steelers scored
    every time they had the ball until Brister's fumble near the end of the
    game.  Not too bad, but they needed at least one of those field goals
    to have been a touchdown, and unfortunately the mass of motion and
    procedure penalties hurt them and they had to settle for field goals a
    couple of times.
    
    Cleveland and Denver will be a pick-em;  both came close to losing, and
    neither *should* be able to give S.F. a challenge (but of course, who
    knows on game day, and S.F. has to get by the Rams first).
    
    Still...best playoffs all around in several years, in my opinion.

    The teams Pittsburgh will play and where were in last week's Sporting
    News.  I didn't keep it.  The actual schedule with dates and times
    won't be announced until early to mid April.
    
    John

    The Steelers did look good Sunday even though they are young.  Bubby
    sort of lost his cool a little bit when Mark Strock dropped the pass on
    2nd and 10 that would have given them the first down.  The future does
    look bright though.
    
    On that topic Knoll has compared this year's draft to that of '74.  Who
    are the impact players at DL, LB and WR coming out of college.  I hear
    about all th guys who play for the top 25 teams but any news on others.
    I mentioned those three positions because those appear to be the
    positions of need according to my assessment.
    
    Also, is Mark Stock one of the guys from the development squad ?
    
    Roy Q.
    
    p.s.
    
    Worely should walk around all off season with a football in his hand so
    he can get used to holding onto it.  That fumble and the ensuing play
    helped turn the tide for Denver in the second half.
    
    

    
    Roy,
    According to the RAIDERS scouting staff, DL and LB will be the
    strongest positions in this year's draft. Sorry, I don't have any
    names handy.

    For the 2 or 3 other Steelers fans in the conference, FYI...
    
    I just bought a copy of the book "About 3 Bricks Shy...and then the
    Load Filled Up."  It is an expanded version of Roy Blount's book about
    the 1973 Steelers, and I think it was just published (the forward was
    written in August, 1989).  Even if you read the original, about 1/2 the
    book is post-1973 add-on chapters and is pretty interesting.  I found
    it at a book store in Nashua Wednesday when I was travelling there, so
    it should be available elsewhere.
    
    Considering that the 1989 Steelers were also "3 bricks shy of a load"
    (in number of playoff games they didn't get), a lot of the similarities
    were pretty interesting.  Bradshaw in 1973 was very similar to Brister
    in 1989; occasionally getting flustered, just emerging as a leader,
    etc.  All in all, the original book portion is worth reading, as well as the
    expanded material.                          

    one more Steelers item...Franco Harris, Jack Lambert, and Lynn Swann
    (the latter for the 3rd time) were announced as finalists for the Hall
    of Fame balloting.  The electees (between 4 and 7) will be announced on
    1/27.
                                                                

    
    	Ditto on the 3 bricks shy book.  Brought back a lot of memories!!
    
    	As for the Hall of Fame, Franco and Lambert are locks, Lynn
    is iffy.
    
    							bill..g.
    

    Swann was eligible last year and didn't make it.  The drawback on Swann
    is longevity.  He was a great player but he didn't play but I think 7
    or 8 years.  Not logn as far as the great wide receivers go.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    yeah but how many times did Swanny catches pass to kick America's
    team's butt? That right there should be enough qualification....
    
    ;^)
    
    mike

    Swann missed 2 years ago (when Ham was elected) and last year (Bradshaw
    and Blount).  I agree he is iffy because of longevity.  He did play 9
    years, though (1974 through 1982) which should be enough.  I thought
    that after missing 2 years ago he would have been a lock with Bradshaw
    last year (partially cause of the passing duo stuff) and that Blount
    wouldn't have been a 1st-year electee.  Swann also has on-air face time
    as an ABC sportscaster, which doesn't hurt either.
    
    Franco and Lambert should be locks to be elected, though.
    
    
    A related question...I noticed at the Steelers-Broncos game that most
    of the Steelers' greats' numbers are not being used at all (12, 32, 75,
    58, 59, etc.) but others are (82, 88, 68, and 78).  Have the Steelers
    officially retired anyone's number?  Are they using Stallworth's,
    Swann's, Greenwood's, and White's numbers because there are only so
    many numbers in the 60-89 range and they need to use them?

  How many steeler's from the super bowl years are already in the Hall of
  Fame ? I've got: Mean Joe, Terry Bradshaw, Jack Ham and Mel Blount.
  Did I miss any ?

  Sure locks on entry to the Hall of Fame include Franco Harris and Mike
  Webster. Other possibilities include: Lynn Swan, John Stallworth, Jack
  Count Dracula Lambert and Donnie Shell. Remote possibilities include: L.C. 
  Greenwood and Andy Russell. If coaches are eligible, Chuck Noll should 
  be a lock.

  That means the 70 Steeler's will place between 6 and 13 people in the
  Hall of Fame. Not bad for a team that was 1-13 when Noll took over.
  And not bad for the 1974 draft with one sure lock and 3 good possibilities.

  One for the thumb in 1990,

					Keith

  RE .150

	The Steeler's have never retired the number of a great player.

					Keith

     re .143
    Thanks, I guess more information on drafts will be available as
    the draft gets closer and it underclassmen declare themselves eligible.
    
    3 bricks sounds like it might be good material.  I think I'll try to
    pick it up.
    
    Longevity may hurt Swann but it may also hurt him that other steelers
    with strong credentials are eligble at the same time.  Sort like not
    having steeler only party.
    
    Roy
    

    re: .151
    
    your current 4 in the HOF are correct (no one missing), and I agree with 
    the other
    possibilities (though I would consider Lambert a lock, but maybe not
    this year given who the other finalists are (Landry, etc.).  
    
    For coaches...it must be only 1 season of inactivity to make them
    eligible, since Landry was coaching last year.  Didn't know that
    before.  

    I was just wondering if Art Rooney Sr. was in the hall.  As a founding
    owner, he should be.  That would make one more from the greatest team of
    all-time.
    
    Also, are any raiders up this year?  I just love it when a Steeler and
    a raider make the hall the same year, Al Davis introduces the raider,
    and all the Steeler fans boo the (*^& out of Davis.  Al always has a
    smile on his face though.  I'll give him that.
    
    I was also wondering how the Pittsburgh fans feel about Franco these
    days.  Even though his departure (Franco who?) from the Steelers was so
    messed up,  I hope all is forgiven come hall-of-fame time.  He really
    seemed to be a great guy, with that one notable exception.
    
    I Loved those steelers, I watch the ESPN dream bowl all the time.  And
    I hope that Bubby and Co. can make it happen again in the '90s.

    Read in the Pittsburgh paper the other day that the best thing to come
    out of a Steelers draft may have been Darryl Sims.  Seem that after
    drafting Darryl "DUD" Sims and his failure the Steelers totally
    revamped their draft strategy.
    
    The paper also said that the biggest hinderance towards the Steelers
    looking for an AFC Central championship next year is the hiring of 
    Jack Pardee by Houston.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    AFC CENTRAL CHAMPIONS 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989 = AFC CENTRAL
    TEAM OF THE 1980's = CLEVELAND BROWNS!

    I guess when all that a city can obtain is a few lousy division
    titles they grasp for anything they can.  All I can say is that
    it is pretty pathetic.  I'm constantly surprised that the sports fans 
    of Cleveland haven't all gone and stuck their head in an oven.
    
    Pittsburgh Steelers - greatest team of the 70's, 90's and of all time
    			  (even if SF beats Denver 73-0)

    re -1
    
    
    i agree with you 100% on the remarks about the Steelers and
    Cleveland. It is a breath of fresh air not seeing ARF! ARF! anymore.
    Cleveland can never win the big game

       DO the Cavaliers still have that '1976 Central Division Champs'
    banner across their press table? They had it hanging there for YEARS.
    Must be pretty worn by now.
                                      Denny

    ARF ARF STEELERS SUCK... 3rd place this year... back to the cellar
    next year - where they below (the sewer city!)
    
    GO CAVS WHAT A TEAM...!
    GO BROWNS!

    
    re: Hall of Fame
    
    	A few back...Lambert should be a lock, period.  He made the
    pro bowl every year he played which I believe is 8 and was currently
    tied this year by Lawrence Taylor.  Lambert was considered the best
    middle linebacker in the game when he played and that was back in
    the days when teams played the 4-3...only the Oilers played the
    3-4.  
    
    	As for the others, Webster should be a lock..something like
    7 all pro selections plus 4 rings.  Stallworth should also be a
    lock with 500+ receptions and 4 rings.  Shell should be a lock as
    he was all pro more than a couple of times, plus 4 rings.  LC should
    make it but I doubt he will be a lock.  I would say that most if
    not all the front four will eventually make it, simply because they
    were so dominating during that 10 year span.  As for the Chief,
    Art Rooney, he is in the hall and BTW, Al Davis was a very big fan
    of the Chief, because the Chief helped out Al when he was just starting
    out as an owner.  The Chief and AL never let the rivalry between
    the Steelers and Raiders get in their way...this was quoted by Al
    when the Chief died last year.
    	As for Swann, his longevity might kill his hall election, but
    he was great for those 8 years he played.  Was there a better or
    more graceful receiver that could catch anything thrown near him
    at that time??  Maybe, but he has to rank up there at that time
    period, plus he has 4 rings and a Superbowl MVP!  Swann left the
    game simply because he had taken a beating on those crossing patterns
    (seems like he had a concussion every year), and wanted to leave
    the game healthy and not a cripple.
    
    
    								bill..g.
    

    re -1
    
    on the Steeler front four.....
    
    LC might might in.  Dwight White and Ernie Holmes might not (probably
    not)

    Not a fan of the Steelers or the Browns, but to put things in
    perspective:
    
    It's been 25 years since the last Browns world champeenship, but
    Steelers fan must remember that prior to their first champeenship
    of the 70's, it had been 40+ years of no champeenships.  What goes
    around comes around.
    
    Just some historical fack (tm).
    
    JD

    re: .163, .165
    
    I was looking at a book on the Super Bowl a while back which had each
    team's starting lineups for each game.  I hadn't remembered that by the
    time the 1979 and 1980 bowls rolled around, Steve Furness and John
    Banaszak were starting in the front four; in fact, Furness had been
    basically a co-starter or starter since 1976 or so.  From 1972 until,
    say, 1976, the front four were absolutely dominant, but only Greene
    and, to a lesser extent, Greenwood, remained at that level until 1980.
    I don't see Holmes or White making the hall of fame any more than, say,
    Mike Wagner, who was an all-pro safety more than once.  Very good
    players, all, but not all HOF-able.

    
    A few back someone asked if any of the old RAIDERS were up for the HoF
    this year. They are "Kick 'em in the head" Ted Hendricks, "The Snake"
    Ken Stabler, and Al Davis. I think that's all.

> "Kick 'em in the head" Ted Hendricks,

?  I always knew him as "The Mad Stork".  When I was a kid and a pass would
get caught up in the tree branches or something like that it was always
"Blocked...by the Mad Stork".  What a legend.

Dan

    "Kick 'em in the Head" is the nickname that teammates and coaches
    knew him by. I suspect he preferred it to the Mad Stork, and in
    fact "KEITH" (wow !) is what Madden calls him by even now ..."
    
    Steelers we'll see in the Hall :
    
    Greene
    Greenwood (?)
    Lambert
    Shell
    Stallworth 
    Swann (?)  
    Webster
    
    Raiders
    
    Dalby
    Stabler
    Casper (?)
    Hendricks (?)
    Chester (??)
    Alzado
    
    Did I miss anybody ?
    

       I think he was talking about the ones that aren't there yet.
                                        Denny

    re: last few
    
    Greene already is in the HOF; he was elected about 3 years ago.

    
    Dan,
    Doc is correct about the "Kick 'em in the head Ted" nickname. He got it
    in practice one day when when he jumped over a pile at the end of a
    tackle and accidentally kicked the RB, Van Eaghan I think, in the head,
    knocking him silly. "The Mad Stork" moniker was bestowed upon him at
    Miami U. and stuck through the Baltimore years. He deserves the HoF.
    He was a great LB for many years.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    Well, Steelers fans, the black and gold no longer are the only ones to
    win four SBs.  However, we can take solace in the fact that it wasn't
    Dallas or the Raiders who tied them.  And its still a pretty safe bet
    that no one will win four in six years...unless perhaps the
    49ers...maybe...nah...they'd have to beat the Steelers to do so and we
    know what an impossibility that will be.
    
    It's obvious that the wrong AFC team made it to the Super Bowl this
    year.  Denver was nothing without their fans screaming and stomping.
    No one, in my opinion, would have beaten San Fran, but I'm sure the
    Steelers would have given them a much better game.  
    
    Go Bub (and his mum)!
    
    	--dan'l

    
    	Not with the quarterback they have...whats his name.???
    
    			Bubble Brister?
    
    	WOOF!
    

    
    Hey, wouldn't it be great to see the Steelers vs. the 49ers in the
    Super Bowl next year?  
    
        "Fight For The Team of the Century!"
    
    Or, for that matter, the Vikes vs. the Broncos:  
    
        "Remember:  Someone *Has* To Win!"
    
SEAN/BEER=LABATTS

    Several times during the game, the Steelers popped in my mind.  I
    couldn't help but think that they would've made it a bit more
    interesting........
    
    Hawk

    well, just like after the Washington-Denver Super Bowl...there go the
    *rest* of the Steelers' individual and team Super Bowl records.  I
    could just see Bradshaw up in the booth, saying, "Well, there goes
    career touchdown passes."  "Well, there goes most touchdown passes in a
    game."  The same for Swann and Stallworth.
    
    Oh, well...Pittsburgh-S.F. next year, for the "Team of the Century"
    battle.

    
    
    	I doubt that the Steeler's really care about those individual
    records, afterall, records are made to be broken and Montana is
    as deserving as any to break some of them.  Adding to that is the
    fact that Joe comes from Monongehela (sp..even a native of the area
    has trouble with that one) Pa. makes it even better!!
    
    	Saw an interesting stat in the paper this morning that listed
    Bradshaw as attempting something like (only) 35 passes in his first
    two Super Bowls (combined).  In that case, he did some serious damage
    in SB XIII and XIV.
    
    							bill..g.
    

My beloved (though sometimes inept) Donks kept Bubble Blister (tm) and the
Squealers (tm) out of the Superbowel (tm) this year, and I hereby predick (tm)
that we will do the same Nexted (tm) year.

BLAM! (tm)
Mike JN (tm)

    > I hereby predick (tm) that we will do the same Nexted (tm) year.
    
    If it comes down to a rematch, I'll agree with you 100%, Mike JN.
    
    :-)
    
    Hawk

And the Black Knight, hacked down to just a bleeding torso, looked
up at his victor and said "Come back here you coward and I'll bite
your filberts off..."

What a pathetic sight...  Kind of reminded me of the Broncos fans
today....;^)

    At least the Steelers beat good teams to earn their Super Bowl rings!
    
    Mike

    From today's Charlotte Observer sports page:
    
    What would happen if the best Pittsburgh Steelers team of the 1970s
    played the best San Francisco 49ers team of the 1980s?  XOR Corp. of 
    Minneapolis, which produced the computerized NFL "Dream Season"
    televised last fall on ESPN, matched the 1978 Steelers and the current
    49ers in a copyright computer-simulated game for the Associated Press. 
    The result: Pittsburgh, Team of the 70s, defeated San Francisco, Team
    of the 80 [sic], 26-23.  San Francisco's Mike Cofer of Charlotte missed a
    field goal with eight seconds left.
    
    				-30-

    On another computer, the Niners beat the Steelers 51 out of 100
    computer simulations. I hear that Bradshaw wasn't too happy about
    it either ...

    Comparing the teams, of course, is tough, and simulations are just
    simulations.  My gut feeling is the Steelers would take it.  Why?
    The Niners would not be able to run at all - and despite the press
    on the Niners passing game, they do need the run (hence Craig's
    numerous 1000+ seasons).  The Steeler defense was the best I've
    ever seened.  On offense, I believe Harris and Blier would be able
    to run on the Steelers.  It would be a good game, IMO.  
    
    JD

    JD, the Niners' receiving corps would open up their running game.  Guys
    like Shell would be forced to do their jobs 40 yards down the field
    instead of assisting on tackles at the line of scrimmage.  Don't forget
    to give the Niners' O-line some credit.  Their big, smart, and
    disciplined.
    
    But, it's almost like apples and oranges.  We're trying to compare 2
    very different teams from 2 very different eras, IMHO.
    
    HTH, FYI.
    
    Hawk

I agree Hawk...

It's like trying to compare Matisse to Dali, Wagnerian opera to 
heavy metal, french cuisine to New England home cooked meals..

Each is great in its own way, and it's own right....

Can you really compare the last 60's Packers, with the Raiders, Steelers
of the 70's, or the 9ers?

But....

	Quien es mas macho?  Juan Elway o Jose Montana?

The answer is *easy* there 8^)

'Saw

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Iris Chacon butt es muy much biggo than Bubba Paris butt
    
    Sarge

    
    
    	Actually, comparisons are bound to happen between the only two
    teams to win 4 Super Bowls in a span of 10 years.
    
    	As for the receivers of the 49'ers stretching out the Steeler's,
    I wouldn't count on it.  If my memory is correct, the Steeler's
    corners were some of the best at "beating up the recievers" (as
    Dallas used to say), or call it jamming them at the line.  Blount
    was one of the best at taking his receiver out of the game.  Adding
    to that is the fact that the front 4 never gave the QB time to do
    much but bend over and prepare to get hit.  
    	The way I see it, the Steeler's would of definately shut down
    the 49'ers running game (nobody was ever consistently successful
    on running the ball at the steel curtain).  I do believe that the
    49'ers offense is a little better than that of the Steeler's, but
    the 49'ers defense is no where near the force that the Steel Curtain
    exhibited.  
    	It would of been a great game no matter what..
    
    							bill
    

Iris Chacon es Roseanne Barr de Univision!

    Naw Iris is much thinner.  At least the last time I saw her she was.
    
    Mike

    
>>> PNO::HEISER "Homer Simpson for President"
    
    Good to see someone else enjoys fine comedy.
    
    Bull
    

    	Hey Bull, I enjoy fine comedy.  I watched all the Patriot games
    this year.
    
    				/Don

    re .197
    
    BIll, don't forget that the Steelers played under a different set
    of rules from the Niners, a point which even many Steeler supporters
    admitted. Back then, the NFL didn't have the 5-yard, one chuck rule,
    and the Steelers exploited the system for all taht it was worth.
    
    By today's rules, Blount and Co. would have to give Rice, Taylor,
    et al, a little more room than they were accustomed to.
    
    In addition, Rice and Taylor specialize in breaking down a defense,
    and turning a short pass into a huge gain. You can bet that B&R
    defense would have to be used judiciously, or else there would be
    at least a couple of 70 yard + pass and run TD's for the Niners.

    
    I don't know Dock, The Steelers linebackers were excellent in coverage
    too. Given that the Steel Curtain would have applied enough pressure
    they would have helped out the corners and safties. 
    
    I'd say given today's rule the niners probably would win 51 out of
    100 because of the liberal holding calls against the offense. If
    played under the 70's rules Pitt would win 60 out of 100....
    
    mike
    
    ps. Dock did you catch Shaughnessy's columun in the globe yesterday
    about the greatest trio in sports ever? Nothing but the truth!!  ;^)
    

    	Well I am wondering which Steeler team you would want the Niners
    to play?  The Steeler team of the 74-75-76 years was probably the
    most dominant (or one of 'em) to ever play.  The Steeler champions
    of the 78-79 seasons had an explosive offense, but the defense had
    slipped some, they were still good but nowhere near the level they
    had played earlier.
    
    				/Don

    Though they didn't get to the Super Bowl because of injuries during the
    playoffs, especially to Harris and Rocky, the '76 Steelers squad was
    the best.  This opinion is shared by many of the players themselves.   
    A huge factor in winning the Super Bowl is keeping your star players
    healthy.  You don't have to win a Super Bowl, however, to be considered
    the greatest team ever.  If you ask any of the "one-for-the-thumb"
    players, they'd say '76.  Interesting.
    
    	--dan'l
    

    	They may have been the best dan'l, but that team put themselves
    in a HUGE hole by losing 2 or 3 of their first four games.  Didn't
    that team have 3 or 4 shutouts that season?  I know they came on
    like gangbusters at the end of the season.  But, there is no guarantee
    that even healthy they would've beaten the Raiders.
    
    				/Don

    
    Yes /Don they started 1-3 and demolished the field after that. I
    remember the 10 game winning streak we$$....
    
    they absolutely destroyed the Colts in the first round and then the
    injuries. No quarantee that they would have beaten the Raiders but
    they sure would have had an excellent chance. Especially when you
    consider the shaky win the Raiders had over the Patsies......
    
    mike

    	Pats were a solid team that year Mike.  One of the few times
    they were.
    
    				/Don

    FWIW IMO, the Steelers of 74-75 would have gave up too much at QB
    to beat the Niners. Montana of ANY year was a clearly superior QB
    to the 74-75 Bradshaw, no 2 ways about it.
    
    The 76 Steelers were 1-4, Bradshaw was knocked out by a Joe Jones
    bodyslam. Behind backup Mike Krucek (BU or BC alum), the Steelers
    won their last 9 games, 4 or 5 by shutouts, and gave up a TOTAL
    of 27 points. 
     
    (I'm going from memory, so ask John H. for confirmation.)
    
    Un-friggin-believable. 
    
    That is exhibit A as to why Bradshaw was far from a MVP in those
    days. 
    
    Anyhow, Montana would have but a lot of pressure on the Steelers
    D. The Steel Curtain would have had to shut out the Niners to win.
    
    Because I see too many people underrating the NIners defense. Hell,
    they gave up a toal of 26 points in 3 playoff games, and I'd take
    their secondary (esp. the 1981-85 one of Lott, Hicks, Williamson,
    and Harris) over the Steelers any day.
    
    IMO, of course ...
    
    Doc

    I'll have to look the Steelers 1976 game-by-game record up tonight,
    but Mike Kruczek is the slime ball who went to BC who started our
    UMass game vs BC in 74 and with a 42-0 BC lead at half time, started
    the second half and came out throwing.  I'm not sure which former
    BC football "hero" I hate more, him or Joe Yukica.
    
    John

    
    /Don didn't say the Patsies weren't a good squad then. They were the
    only ones to beat the Raiders that year. I also had them quite a bit.
    
    Dock, for all his fault, Bradshaw didn't loose any of the games for
    them unlike some no brain stud from the Rockies :^). He always did
    enough to win. Also the Steelers then were a heavy ball control smash
    em in the face offensive team back then. True the niners defense is
    good but let's face it how badly were they tested this year in the 
    playoffs? Every team they played was 2 td's in the hole before you
    knew and passing happy after that. They excuted some excellent zone
    defenses. The Steelers played a more straight up style which would have
    benefited them against Rice and co. If I'm playing Montana and that
    crew I'd rather take my chances in man to man then a zone. Too many
    quick opening gaps for Montana to exploit in a zone...
    
    mike

I still say, you cain't compare the Steeler of 70s, with the 9ers
of the 80s...

We can speculate all day, but lets face it, the game of football has
changed so much in 10 years that I don't feel you can compare it.

How can you compare Bach to Wagner...okay, they were both German...that's
about it.  Each was a culminator of his period...okay, I'll give you that.

Montana et al, are capable of beating what is being presented to them *now*.
Could this team, with all it's strengths and weaknesses which allow it
to perform so well in this era, perform better than the best of another?
Could the Steelers of then do it better now, against all the changes
of the past 10 years?

The amount of modeling, simulation, and intangible factors you'd have to
take into account would befuddle a Cray!

To me, I look at the 70s and say Steelers (although I believe I heard
somewhere that the Raiders had the winningest record of the 70s)
and the 80s and say 9ers.  To go beyond that doesn't make sense to me.

    
    
    re: Doc
    
    	I agree on the bumping rule, but don't forget that the no bumping
    rule was put in BECAUSE of the Steelers.  I remember old Tex crying
    about the abuse his girly-mon receivers were taking, so he helped
    push the no bump rule through.  I will also agree that Rice is one
    of the best and he would be tough to stop, but Blount wasn't an
    easy take either.  With over 50 int's and plenty of intimidation,
    he wasn't easy pickin's.  Wasn't he also the defensive player of
    the year at one point??  I belive Joe Greene was too.  Add Lambert
    as Rookie of the Year, and you have 3 defensive "bests" from 3
    different players, from one team, in a span of 6 years.  That, is
    impressive!
    
    re: 1976
    
    	Ahh, I wondered when the Steeler faithful would mention the
    best team ever!! :-)  I would agree, this was the best of the Steeler
    best.  I believe they had 4 shutouts after Bradshaw got hurt, and
    in so doing, they set the fewest points allowed in one season total.
    True to form, both Harris and Blier were hurt (they were only the
    2nd pair of running backs to both eclipse 1000 yards in the same
    season) going into that AFC championship.  The Steelers got killed
    by the soon to be crowned champs the Oakland Raiders.  Bradshaw's
    only recourse was to throw the ball almost every down and the Raider's
    new it, so they had little trouble in defending it.  Not taking
    anything away from the Raiders because I think that between the
    Steelers and the Raiders back then, they were the two best teams
    in football, period, but one has to wonder if the Steeler's didn't
    lose Harris and Blier, the outcome might of been different.
    	The 76 Steeler defensive unit was simply the greatest defensive
    team ever assembled.  As I stated earlier, I would give an edge
    to the 49'ers on the offensive end, but there is no comparison between
    the defensive units, and I believe the Steeler's (74,75,76) would
    of shutdown the 49'ers.
    
    							bill..g.

    
    Bill,
    Yep, those were some of the greatest games ever played. I remember the
    announcers talking about the upcoming RAIDERS-Steelers game several
    weeks in advance. There hasn't been a rivalry/series of games that can
    come close to those two going at it, since.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    ...and before that it was the Raiders and the Chiefs!

  The way I remember it, the 76 Steeler's lost 3 of their first four games
  and then Bradshaw got injured and had to sit out for 6 weeks. In those 
  6 weeks, the defense turned it up a notch, won all 6 games with four of
  them being shutouts. Art Rooney "the Chief" always claimed the 76 team
  was the best team he ever had.

  Also, the defense was incredible dominating in it's prime. I believe it
  was 75 but may of been 74 when the Steeler's opponents combined 
  rushing yardage for all the playoff games and the superbowl was
  under a hundred yards. And one those teams was the Buffalo Bills with 
  O.J. Simpson in his prime.

  
					Keith

    28	at Oakland	31
    31	Cleveland	14
    27	New England	30
    6	at Minnesota	17
    16	at Cleveland	18
    23	Cincinnati	6
    27	at Giants	0
    23	San Diego	0
    45	at Kansas City	0
    14	Miami		3
    32	Houston		16
    7	at Cincinnati	3
    42	Tampa Bay	0
    21	at Houston	0
    
    342			138 (nowhere close to the record, 44, Bears,
    				1932)
    Playoffs:
    
    40	at Baltimore	14
    7	at Oakland	24
    
    John

    
    Chaz Noll said it best last week when asked who would win a dream bowl. 
    
    "The 70s were the 70s.  The 80s were the 80s.  No comparison."
    
    He never was long winded.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    re: .218
    
    	Those are some interesting scores!!  Five, count em, 5 shutouts
    and 3 of those on the road with an all most in Cincy.
    
    	I also think that one has to take into account the fact that
    in the mid 70's, the AFC central was the best conference in football.
    The Steelers had to play the Bengals (with Curtis and Anderson)
    twice, the Oilers (with Earl) twice, and Cleveland.  All of the
    AFC Central teams were real tough.  There wasn't an easy divisional
    game for anyone.
    	Looking at the 76 team, we also see that they played the two
    superbowl teams for that year in Oakland and Minnesota.  That was
    simply an awesome defensive year for the Steeler's.
    	I guess that the same arguments will continue forever about
    who was best in any sport, but one indicator in some people's minds
    is how many players from team x are in the Hall of Fame.  As the
    road to Canton winds through Pittsburgh right now, time will only
    tell how many 49'ers will enter in years to come, but I doubt they
    will have the representation that the Steeler's will have from those
    teams in the 70's.
    
    							bill..g.
    

    re .218
    
    Do I win a prize for accuracy w/o a record book ? 
                                                   
    Five shutouts in nine games .... damn !
    
    That's awesome ball. Period.
    
    FWIW, I think we forget that both teams had different strong suits
    at different times. THAT is the variable that makes comparison hard.
    Not the decade difference.
    
    I mean, let's be real, sure the 70's were different, but can anybody
    stand up here and say that the Steelers couldn't play today, and
    well ?
    
    This is how I see it :
    
    '74 Steelers vs. '81 Niners - edge to Pitt. because of defense,
    and SF's less than awesome ground game.
    
    '74 Steelers vs. '89 Niners - Big edge to SF. Montana head and
    shoulders over '74 Bradshaw.
    
    '75 Steelers vs. '84 Niners - Possibly best game of all.
    
    '78 Steelers vs. '88 Niners - Another good game.
    
    Thoughts ?

    So where was the awsome Steeler D against the pa-Raiders in the
    Championchip game? 

    P.S. the Best Steeler D ever was 0-3 vs. Playoff teams. Does anyone
    know the record of the 5 tough teams they shut out. I know Tampa Bay
    was pretty awesome that year.

I thought Lambert fielded the inevitable "who's better question"
very graciously yesterday on the sidelines of the Pro Bowl.

He said that SF was awesome.  When pressed, he did say that the 70s
Steelers had linebackers that could cover backs coming out of the
backfield, and that would have been a plus against the 9ers...

But, as I've said before, you cant' compare...

Chainsaw

    
    re: -2
    
    	As "I" stated earlier, the Oakland Raiders and the Steelers
    represented the 2 best teams in the NFL during the mid 70's.  Both
    had great teams and I don't find it unusual that the Steeler's lost
    the opener (score was close, maybe the Steeler's got fat after 2
    SB wins), and they lost the AFC title game.  Where was the Steeler
    D??  It was there, but it's kind of hard to shutdown another great
    team completely (not to mention the Raiders would become NFL champs
    after their next game), let alone win without your main guns broken
    (Harris and Blier were both hurt, as was Bradshaw for a good part
    of the season).
    
    	No one will ever know who was better.  Perhaps some team will
    come along and win 3 or 4 in a row, then people can talk about them.
    In my opinion, the Steeler team of 75-76 would of beaten the 89
    edition of the 49'ers.  The Steeler's simply had an awesome defense
    that nobody really had regular success against, along with a good
    offense.  Not a great offense like the 49'ers, but Bradshaw and
    Co. new what to do with the 'skin in the big games.  
    	The 49'ers IMO have the better offense, but the Steeler's defense
    is lightyears ahead of the 49'ers defense, and they all say that
    defense is what wins championships.  Edge, Steeler's.
    
    							bill..g.

    In comparing the 2 teams, 49er fans will probably give the edge to the
    9ers, Steeler fans will give the edge to the Steelers, and all the rest
    will give the edge to whoever they like better and use some form of
    justification therein.
    
    
    JaKe
    
    

    It's interesting that no comparisons are being made with the 1961-67
    Green Bay Packers.  I remember when the Steelers reached their
    pinnacles a lot of comparisons were made to the 1965-67 Packers that
    won 3 NFL championships in a row, the last 2 of which were the 1st 2
    Super Bowls.
    
    I agree with JaKe; fans of the Steelers and the 49'ers, and the Packers
    for that matter, will naturally favor their own teams.  Given the
    differences in the game in 1966, 1975, 1979, 1989, etc., it's hard to
    make any kind of definitive comparisons, especially considering that
    each of these teams (and the 1940 Chicago Bears, the 1958 Colts, any
    any other great team for that matter) were built specifically for the
    game in their own individual eras.
    
    Being a Steelers fan, I naturally think that one of the Steelers teams
    would beat any of the 49'ers teams.
    And I agree that the 1976 team *was* the best, and I remember like it
    was yesterday that Sidney Thornton or somebody was the only running
    back healthy for the AFC championship game with Oakland.
    
    I will say, however, that watching the Super Bowl convinced me that
    there probably isn't much difference between this year's 49'ers and any
    of the Steelers or Packers teams.  I think that the game's results and
    Montana's and Rice's individual statistics are skewed upwards by having
    played a Denver team that didn't seem to want to play, whereas the
    Steelers played 3 of the closest and best Super Bowls in the 2 Dallas
    and LA games because the NFC came to play those years.  Time will tell,
    and if Montana stays healthy - unlike Bradshaw - S.F. may be
    unanimously considered the best of all time.  Until then, it's great
    fun to make the comparisons and have the great Steelers teams somewhat
    back in the limelight.
    

    
    Coincidently, many people here believe the '87 (I think it's '87,
    the one that lost to the Vikes in the 1st round) was the best 49er
    team.
    
    John makes a claim that the best team might be the one with the
    most HoFers on it.  I don't think this is a fair measure of the
    49ers.  Their real strength is their depth.  Today's game is played
    with much more situational substitutions.  This keeps players more
    players on the field, and leads to less star players.  THe only
    49er Hofers I can see are Montana, Rice, &Lott for sure, Carter
    Craig, and Randy Cross as having a good chance,  and possily Harris
    Barton down the road.  The rest are platooned too often.
    
    
    Bruce

    All this banter brings to mind my favorite quote pertaining to the
    Steelers.  It's on one of the NFL highlight films from the championship
    years.  The late John Fucenda (what a voice) says:
    
    	"It's been said that Pittsburgh's reserves could win the AFC
    	 Central; Pittsburgh's starters do."
    
    Damn, they were good.
    
    	--dan'l

    As Bum Phillips said in the '70s,  The road to the Super Bowl went thru
    Pittsburgh.  Now it goes thru San Fran in the NFC and God knows where
    in the AFC.
    
    
    JaKe
    

But I will still stick to my basic premise.

You can't compare teams from different eras.  In the last twenty years
football has changed so much.  The reasons are legion, but suffice it
to say that from Lombardi to today there have been many great football
minds.  (There's always a special spot in this fan's heart for Lombardi
though...)

Anyway, the game today is so high tech, with situational substitution,
specialists abounding, and much more emphasis on physical conditioning.
Twenty years ago, when the Packers did their "three-peat", the game
was much different.

Linemen were a lot smaller, on the whole, I think.  The game was
only 6 or 7 years removed from the last two way player.  There weren't
as many specialists (in fact, I remember that Jerry Kramer did the
kicking for the Pack -- and who could forget Lou "the Toe" Groza for the
Browns?)


So, just as I can't compare a pilsner beer to a weiss beer to a dunkels
beer, I don't feel you can compare the three teams from the 60s, 70s
and 80s.

They all had one thing in commmon.  They were the dominant force in
pro football, without a doubt....

Chainsaw

    Just a couple of points :
    
    1) It is chic to say that the Niners were way behind the Steelers
    on defense. I think that's wrong. True the 74-76 Steelers were probably
    the most dominating defense in NFL history (except for possibly
    the 84-87 Bears), but the Niners defense gave up a TOTAL of 26 points
    in 3 playoff games. Say want you want, the Rams and Vikes have
    explosive offenses. the Niners shut people down all year when they
    had to. And as for Denver, don't blame SF for being so dominating.
    
    Heck they dominated the Fish in the 2nd half of the 85 Super Bowl.
    And the defense shut down the hottest QB in league hisotry up to
    that point.                                        
    
    And while I love the Steel Curtain, the Niners secondary, IMO, was/is
    superior to the Steelers.
    
    The NIners didn't have as many stars and personalities and the
    Steelers, nor did they empahtically demolish offenses the way Pitt.
    did, but they don't have to take a back seat to anyone.
    
    As Hawk might say, there ain't no flies anywhere near Lott, Carter,
    Millian, et al .....
    
    DrM

    I don't even know why you guys are talking about these teams.  Every
    knowledgeable football fan acknowledges that the best football team of
    the modern era was the 1963 Chargers.
    
    Glenn

    	Hey Glen, the score in the 1963 AFL Championship game had more
    to do with the quality of the opposition than the quality of the
    Chargers team.  8^)
    
    				/Don

    Ouch Don.  What r'ya tryin' to do here?  You're hurtin' me!  Quit.
    
    Glenn

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    Doctor Midnight,
    
    The stories of Terry Bradshaw being 'dumb' were much exaggerated,
    and spread by members of the media, and by teammates who didn't
    like Terry, including certain Steeler QB's.
    
    The media ripped into Bradshaw when he first came up.  The early
    Steeler teams used the run, and then the pass.  Much like the Dolphins
    before them - remember, Griese only threw about 15 times a game
    during the Dolphins hey day, relying on Csonka, Kiick and Morris
    to wear down the opposition.  The Steelers emulated those sucessful
    Dolphin teams, by using Harris, Bleier and Fuqua to wear down the
    opposition, and only going to the pass when needed.  The Steelers
    also rarely used the tight end (Benny Cunningham, wasn't it).
    
    Don't kid youself about the quality of Bradshaw.  When he was forced
    to throw, he was a winner.  He proved that time and time again.
    And no bunk about hte quality of the receivers he had, Montana has
    better receivers.
    
    As for the defensive secondary, I'd take the Steeler secondary over
    the Niner, but not by much, and of course, I'd like Lott to be on
    either one, along with Blount.
    
    But, they were different times.
    
    JD

    I'm interested in seeing how the Steelers will employ Merrill Hoge and
    Tim Worley next season.  Worley was expected to have a huge impact in
    the NFL last year (per Joel Bushbaum (sp?), Mel Kiper and other draft
    experts) and instead, Hoge came into his own!!  They give the Steelers
    one of the stronger backfield (this is not intended to start a pissing
    contest....I said ONE of the strongest....NOT the strongest)
    combinations in the NFL......but often times there are not enough balls
    to go around when you have more than one stud!!  Worley is bound to
    improve.....will the Steelers allow for his improvement at Hoge's
    expense?
    
    
    Enquiring minds gots to know......
    
    
    Nelly

    
    Come on Squeeler fans.....don't worry about it....the team will
    be in the basement next year!  Can't you see the light???
    
    Woof!
    

If it wasn't for the "Immaculate Deception" the RAIDERS would have been the
team of the 70's!!!!!;^)


Monty

    re: .239
    
    Whitehair,
    
    Do you have ANYTHING constructive to say about sports.....or do you
    just run through the notesfile slinging shit?!!!
    
    
    Help this hopes,
    
    
    Nelly

    re.238
    
    Worley spent much of last year nursing various injuries.  He was,
    however, healthy at the end of the season and 2 of his last 3 games
    were 100+yds with the third being somewhere in the 90 yd region.
    
    I expect the Steelers to use Worley and Hoge much as they used Harris
    and Bleier in the 70's.  Run 'em both a few times, see who the defense
    is keying on and beat the sh$t out of em with the other back.
    
    JaKe
    
    Re Whitehead  What can you expext from someone who comes from the
    world's only inhabited raw sewage dump, CLEVESCUM.
    
    

	Regarding the oft repeated, and widely repeated rumor, by some of
Football's most knowledgeable fans and players, that Terry Bradshaw was dumber
than a box of rocks:


                     Where there's schmuck there's fire.

HTH
Mike JN

    This is really funny. The Donk fans calling Bradshaw stupid. ha ha, he
    was so stupid that......
    
    He's got 4 Superbowl rings
    He's in the HoF
    He predicted a 55-3 score in the game
    He looked at Elway and plainly stated the troof..he's not a great QB
    
    Pooooor Terry. I suppose, MJOHNSON, HUNTER, and the rest of the
    Donk_Jihad think ol' Horse teef is some kind of rocket scientist.
    Too bad Smellway can't match Bradshaw in any category you come up with.
    
    Wah Wah Wah, call of the Donk_Jihad, Wah Wah Waaaaahhhhh
    
    Not_really_JoJ

    Well if it isn't the vane.....
    
    I'll throw a category out that I'll just bet Elway can compare:
    
    	TOTAL YARDS PASSING AND RUSHING AT THE EQUIVALENT TIME IN
    	BRADSHAW'S CAREER (ie after his first 7 years)
    
    Jo?, don't get me wrong.  I'm not trying to turn this into an
    LDUC, but such outrageous statements can't go unchecked.  Maybe
    John Hendry will do us the favor of looking this up?
    
    Claybone

    
    reach Claybone reach .......
    
    hahahhaaaa
    
    Bottom line is Bradshaw went to atleast 2 or 3 superbowls in first 7
    years and his team won them all can Mr. Ed say the same?
    
    I think not....
    
    given that the Steelers had a great running game and the Donks had
    squat until this year Ed's numbers better be better....
    
    mike

    
    
    Elway is not a winner period. How can a guy go to the Super Bowl 3
    times and choke badly each time (at least Fran did not have 4 horrible
    games in the Superbowl). You knew from the first snap that Elway took
    in the Superbowl that he was going to have a horrible game.
    
    Bradshaw was right. Elway has sooo much talent no doubt. BUT until he
    gets HUNGRY and wants to win he will not amount to anything.
    
    

    
    When the BIG one is on the line:  
    
    
    
                        w               l               pct
    
    Bradshaw            4               0              1.000
    
    Elway               0               3               .000
    
    
    
    Need I say more.
    
    
    JaKe
    
    
    

    I thought SmElway was 0-4?

       He wasn't around in '78. I think Craig Mortin blew that one.
                                      Denny

    Give a break JaKE. With that defense in 74-75, Elway, you, me, or
    LiteLocks could have won those SB's. The record book shows that
    the Steelers didn't suffer too much with Joe Gilliam in there in
    74 (or Krucek in 76) did they ?
    
    DrM

    C'mon you guys, don't any of you remember the great touch passes that
    Bradshaw used to throw. Sure, Swan made some great catches, but I can
    still see Bradshaw throwing those arcs down the sideline just out of
    reach of the defender.
    
    Staubach too. As much as I hated Dallas, I'll defend his abilities to
    the death.
    
    To compare Smellway with these guys is a joke. Kinda like comparing
    Strawberry to DiMaggio.
    
    JoJ

    Hey, Jo? said *any* category!  I threw one out that I'm fairly
    sure Elway is superior to the toofless wonder in.  That's not
    reaching.......that's refuting an untrue statement.  Now if he
    had said something about Elway's won-loss record in the SB 
    compared to Bradshaw's.....
    
    Claybone

    Clayboner, until this year the Donk's had virtually zilch in the
    running dept. So you'd expect Elway's passing yds. to be greater
    than Broadshaw's(tm). This argument is crazy. Broadshaw(tm) won
    4 SB's. Elway? Zip. Whose better? Subjective. Who had the better
    team around him? Broadshaw. The best? THE SNAKE!!:-)
    			Raider_Rich
    

    Asdlfh rpepqoi askdoufe  uiopoejf dhghtka <hack, cough> patooey!
    
    Thanks Steven....I had to get those *words* out of my mouth.
    I thought it was a fairly simple concept but some people
    gots to be hit up side the haid with a hammer...:^)
    
    Clay

    perhaps I should restate my silly-assed statement...how bout we go with
    "Bradshaw is better than Smellway in any catagory important to sports
    noters"
    
    JoJ

Elway could not carry the jock of any of the following QBs...

	Unitas, Starr, Tittle, Tarkenton, Staubach, Layne,
	Baugh, Jurgenson....Montana


Tarkenton probably rushed for as many yards, scrambling to complete
passes, excepting that they don't count scrambling behind the line
as rushing.

Personally, I think that Staubach was just as good of a rusher, in
that he was rarely contained because he ran when they didn't expect.
Teams plan to contain SmElway(tm).  Also, Staubach was a better two
minute drill QB.

    re. -1
    
    In my mind, Staubach is the best two minute QB.
    
                                       Steve J.

    
    I don't know Steve, Montana is none too shabby and the "Snake" was a
    master of it too....
    
    Still though if anything these 3 guys are all on the same level...
    
    mike

    
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    Hey whitehead
    
    Bernie "Fudge" Kosar is a good two minute QB.  Yeah, Right, he shows up
    for a good two minutes every game.
    
    
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    mr whitehair rooled too many dice at the roulet  tables :))
    

    JoJ, let's see.....that would be jock holding, pee-pee smooching,
    etc...
    
    Steve, you're just saying that cuz he used to whup our Redskins
    all the time   ;^)
    
    Clay

    Frank, I'd like to add some names to your list:
    
Franks List:
    
	Unitas, Starr, Tittle, Tarkenton, Staubach, Layne,
	Baugh, Jurgenson....Montana
    
    Plus:
    
    Namath, Stabler, Bradshaw, Marino
    
    However, Elway could, and probably has, held the Jocks of the
    following:
    
    Flutie, Wilson, Burlein, Schroeder, Simms, and Brunner
    
    

    
>Franks List:
>    
>	Unitas, Starr, Tittle, Tarkenton, Staubach, Layne,
>	Baugh, Jurgenson....Montana
>    
>    Plus:
>    
>    Namath, Stabler, Bradshaw, Marino
>    
>    However, Elway could, and probably has, held the Jocks of the
>    following:
>    
>    Flutie, Wilson, Burlein, Schroeder, Simms, and Brunner
    
JoJ,

I'll take your 4 names for my list as a sub-echelon.  The names I mentioned
are surely the Pantheon of QBs.  The four you mentioned are probably
one slight level below.

And finally, putting Simms in that group was an obvious move to get my
goat.  Won't work.  Simms is not close to the four you mentioned (although
he does possess the 3rd best percentage passing day ever) but he's not in
that category   (you WAD ;^))

Chainsaw

    Frank, anyone from the NY/NJ area who grew up  watching Namath and
    Tarkenton knows that there's no "pantheon" that could hold Fran and not
    make room on a much higher pedestal for Joe.  Fran didn't hold a candle
    to him.
    
    Dan

    
    Re. Tark and Joe Willie:
    
    Neither of 'em should be in the "Pantheon".  Ditto Tittle, Layne,
    and Stabler.  All of these guys, except Tarkenton, threw more
    interceptions than touchdowns.  Tarkenton just threw more than anybody.
    Jurgensen and Unitas threw for high percentage, high yardage, and 
    low interceptions before that became easy to do, over extended careers.
    
    A Pantheon of the Ages would be: Baugh, Graham, Jurgensen, Unitas,
    Starr, Montana.  I'm still trying to make up my mind about Marino.
    
    glenn
   

    Hi there steeler fans.
         Just thought i would tell you THE MIGHTY BENGALS will dominate
    the AFC CENTRAL next season.I was very disappointed that you lost
    the playoff game to Denver because you were the better team on the
    day.As for Quarterbacks you have got to admit Boomer,s the best
    ever in the AFC.The bengals will win the AFC,with the Steelers maybe
    in second place.As for Litelocks Brownspot choke outfit they will
    be nowwhere. 

                Bye for now
                   Scotland,s No 1 bengal fan
                            Alibengal

    >>Hi there steeler fans.
    >>     Just thought i would tell you THE MIGHTY BENGALS will dominate
    >>the AFC CENTRAL next season.
    
    
    C'mon Aliwhoever,
    
    The sports.joke note is 79.***
    
    Boomer best ever in AFC, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, I'm P!ssing myself laughing.
    
    Bungles to finish 7-9 next year.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    	Boy that other guy is really a laugh.....Boomer?????Ha!
    
    	Squeelers in second place...another laugh.....Ha!
    
    	By the way, what is in Squeeler Contry anyway????  From what
    I've seen on TV only (I'd never want to go there myself) it looks
    like a very run down place.  Everyone looks so cold there.  Not
    the weather either.  Do women actually live there too....oops...
    I forgot about Jaka$$.  HeHeHe.  Now really, what is there in Pittsburg
    that would bring anyone there???  I have no idea.
    
    	WOOF!

    re:.273
       And all this from someone from CLEVELAND! He doesn't expect to
    be taken seriously does he? And yes, I've been to both so I know
    what I'm talking about at least.
                                  Denny

Re Tark in Pantheon....

I included Tark not on the basis of his statistics, but on the 
basis of his scrambling.  When Tark came into the league, no one
did that.  He kind of redefined the term "mobile QB".  If nothing else,
he was exciting to watch.

Layne was a hothead, egocentric kind of guy, but he got things done.
I would exclude him, if pressed.

Namath, contrary to Dan's green-shaded-glasses-blindness is known to
be great for one game.  True, he is in the HoF, and I don't dispute that.
But he is not in the pantheon....


If any one needs to know, my personal favorites are Starr and Unitas.

JMHO,
Chainsaw

    Sufferin socatash,
                      Ahv neffur hurd ismuch "stranger to the truth"
    blurbino ma daiz izanamericanfitbasupportur. Ifyiz want meti
    spredma gidfitbanowlij, then awillsun.
    
    Furstli : Yooz Skweelurs hivniachanse in bugguri o' winnin onithin
    inthinext10yeers yiken.
    
    Aye aheer yizo askinmi howakum aboot thiswee theeri o' minz. Itsoffi
    simpul - yiz canni winmunni gemz sittin onyur bums antokin aboot
    the gidol daiz in theseevintiz.
    
    Itmicht huv slippd yur silli heidz, bit its still reccumendit tae
    replase yurol playurs wi nyoowans.
    
    Translation by way of request during preceeding notes.
    
    Alibengal bigrubbirlips.

    
    re: .273
    
    	What is in Squeeler Contry??  Well, if you must know, Pittsburgh
    just happens to be the 3rd largest corporate headquarters among
    cities.  Four years ago, if was voted as the most livable city in
    the country by Rand McNally and I believe they fell to 4th in their
    last survey.  Not bad for a city whose reputation used to be one
    of Steel Mills and dirty air.  I'd say it made a pretty good comeback
    along with the Steelers over the last 20 years.

    	As for qb's, Western Pa. has produced their share of great ones.
    Namath, Unitas, Montana, and Marino to name a FEW..
    
    							bill..g.
    

    re.273
    
    Hey whitehead
    
    Come to Pittsburgh and see the pipeline that pumps our raw sewage
    straight to Clevescum(tm).
    
    JaKe
    

    re: .273 & replies to that:
                                                                            
    My family moved from Pittsburgh to the deserts of Tucson in 1974 and 
    my dad left the company he had been with for 15 years because he was 
    transferred to the one place in the U.S. where no one in the family, 
    neighborhood, or entire state would move.....
    
    
    Cleveland.

    re.279
    At least no one in their right mind.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Hi Steeler fans
         Alibengal here.Was just wondering what you thought about last
               seasons blowouts by the mighty bengals

                          Bengals 42  Steelers 10
                          Bengals 26  Steelers 16
                          Bengals 21  Clevescum 14
                          Bengals 21  Clevescum 0
                          Bengals 61  Oilslicks 10
                          Bengals 22  Oilslicks 24
               Now if that is'nt total domination of the AFC CENTRAL
               i don't know what is.What's more it's going to continue.
               
    
                     Alibengal Scotlands No 1 Bengal fan.

    Woweee!  Big stats!  Got any more to throw at us?  Funny, though, but I
    seem to remember that the only AFC Central team not in the Playoffs
    was...um...hmmmm...oh yeah...the Bun-gals.  Until you have a stat that
    can top that (good luck), don't bother to reply.
    
    How was Pig Town on Suday's after Christmas?  Ask any of the Cinci
    players; they were there in front of the tube!  
    
    Is there a Bengals note?  If so, go cry in there.  If not, it's surely
    because no one gives a flying **** about them.
    
    	--dan'l

    re: -2
    
    	Oh my goodness....where did this guy come from....trying to
    start some crap...I see.  This guy knows not to show up in the 
    Browns or Bernie's file.  Total domination of the Squeelers maybe
    but, no one else!  Look for the Squeelers to come in last this 
    next year...Bangles...a close third!
    
    	Just ask Bernie!
    
    	Woof!
    

    Alibengal, you just had to start spoutin' off and get ol' Hal fired
    up again, didntja :-)
    			Raider_Rich
    

    
    	RE:  The note I received this morning from
    
    			SCOMAN::CLEVELAND BROWNS PRES.
    
    		HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    
    			I can't stop laughing!
    
    		There is only one person I know who could have sent
    	this outragiously funny thing.  Then to give it away and tell
    	me about a 37 - 21 loss to the Donks.  Then to say that the
    	Browns would have lost 88 to nothing to the 9ers.  HaHaHa!
    	I think I heard this one before.  Right here in this note!
    		
    		Jake, It was YOU!  Wasn't it!
    
    		The reason I'm writting now is to let everyone know
    	what you said about your great Sqeeler team.  Well, not the
    	team, but, about the great quarterback they have.  Bubble head
    	Brister!  This guy actually said "and we have no quarterback".
    	He admitted it!  The Squeelers have "NO QUARTERBACK".  This
    	comming from a fan...suposibly?  I question his support of
    	the city in which he comes.  It seems that he is comming to
    	understand what I've been telling him for months.  The Squeelers
    	were a lucky team in making the playoffs last year and that
    	they will be lucky to get third this comming year.  Can we
    	take the "NO QUARTERBACK" statement as saying NO TEAM?  I think
    	we can!  Lets face it...if you have "NO QUARTERBACK" then how
    	can you have a team?  The quarterback makes the team!  
    
    		Jake, lets admit it...to everyone here.  I think the
    	other true Squeeler fans will want to know the truth!
    
    		Go ahead and say it....YOU LOVE THE BROWNS AND THE
    	CITY THEY COME FROM.  Don't you?
    
    		Maybe its the stigma .....  DAWGS you like so much.
    
    		Woof
    			Woof
    				Woof
    					Woof
    
    			
    
    			Dawgs are 
    
    		THE AFC CENTRAL DIVISION CHAMPIONS!
    
    
    				Hal

    Re .285
    
    Tweren't me.  I been out sick all week.  Ain't been on the system since
    last Friday.
    
    Brister will go on to become a better career QB than Bernie
    "Fudgepacker" Kosar can ever hope to.  Bernie's career will end soon
    because of his elbow problems.  Diagnosis from Clevescum that I heard
    says Bernie has "Whacker's Elbow".  Incurable by any medicine.
    
    S T E E L E R S   W I L L   R U L E  A F C  C E N T R A L  I N  '9 0
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    
    OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Is my world coming apart?????????
    
    Just heard on the radio this AM
    
    The Steelers are set to hire:
    
    J O E  "BOOGER"  W A L T O N
    
    as their new offensive co-ordinator.
    
    AW SH@T.
    
    Just when things were looking up, too.
    
    Guess I'll have to turn my attention to the Seachickens or Chiefs.
    
    Oh Well,
    
    Maybe they can win DESPITE Walton.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    After reading .287, all the excitement I was preparing for the '90
    season has just drained from my body.  
    
    However, I speak with little knowledge on this subject.  What *is*
    Walton's track record as an OC?  If it's good, maybe the Steelers ain't
    so dumb.  Some guys just weren't meant to be head coach.  
    
    Also, heaven forbid, could this be a move for the future?  Could they
    be setting up Walton for head coach when Noll chooses to retire
    sometime in the coming decade?
    
    Let me check my calendar; is this April 1?
    
    	--dan'l

    Let's face it,  Walton sipped as head coach of the Jets.
    
    BUT
    
    Is Noll that dumb to hire him as OC if the guy has no ideas??
    
    
    
    

    Yuo guys may not believe this, but Walton has had a great rep as
    an offensive coordinator, he just couldn't handle being a head
    coach.  I think he'll do fine.
    
    JD

    Ron Erhardt was the same way when he was with the Patriots.  His
    problem was that he treated the players too nicely and they walked
    all over him.  Raymond Berry is a nice guy, but despite his faults
    as a head coach, his players respect him.
    
    I compare Joe Walton to Don Zimmer in a sense.  They were both
    excellent in subordinate positions - Walton as OC with the Jets,
    Zimmer as 3rd base coach with the Sox.  Both worked in tough media
    markets.  Both got promoted.  I don't know much about Walton as
    Jets head coach, but I do know Zimmer managed defensively (ie, managed
    not to lose, as opposed to managing to win) as manager of the Sox,
    in part due to media and fan pressure.  If Walton was the same way,
    then going back to an Offensive Coordinator position in a less
    pressure-packed place than New York will be the best thing for him.
    
    John

    
    Not if Walton goes the same route as AirHead (aka Erhardt). For New
    York, Airhead has lost all the imagination he may have possesed. We
    of the Giants Jihad have been calling for his head for years. I think
    some of the problem has to do with basic Giants philosphy dicates that
    he runs and runs again. I also think he just isn't very good at making
    adjustments to the adjustments made by the defense.
    
    Every week it seems the Giants come out on fire and score a TD or
    FG (unfortunately the more likely one) on thier first drive of the
    game. Later on in the game they're lost.....
    
    Walton didn't do bad offensively for the Jets when they were healthy
    except for his perchant for the third down draw which Weeb left behind.
    Jets could always score problem was they couldn't stop anyone from
    scoring....
    
    mike

    Walton was considered an excellent OC with the Skins. He is given
    a large share of the credit for turning Joe Theisman into a competent
    NFL QB.
    
    And he has got to be better than Chuck "Is the TE eligible" Noll.
    
    "Whacker's Elbow" Too funny ! Seriously Flooward !
    
    DrM

    >>                -< Jake, jump on the Oiler bandwagon ! >-
    
    
    Dr. Midracingstripeintheshorts:
    
    Nah.
    
    I want a team with a chance of winning it all.  Guess I'll stay with
    the Steelers for another year.  They got the best chance in the AFC
    Central next year as long as they stay healthy.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Jake,
    	I'll find that very same statement in here somewhere.......It
    will take some time, but, I will find it!
    
    	You can admit it though!  You will have to.  I'm not talking
    about last week when you were sick either....I'm talking about THIS
    morning!  So, that blows your alibi!  Can you come up with another
    one?  
    
    	What were you doing this morning at 1AM?
    
    	All we want to do is to show the other Squeeler fans how loyal
    you truely are.
    
    	Woof
    		Woof
    			Woof
    				Woof
    

    Hey White-penicular-excrement:
    
    I don't have the slightest idea what the hell you are talking about.
    First of all, I have no computer, terminal or any other device at home
    or anywhere near my bed where I was at 1AM today.  Secondly, you said
    that the node name was SCOMAN::.  I have no access to that system
    whatsoever.  The only systems I have access to are SUPVAX:: and 
    PFSVAX::.  Seems to me that SCOMAN:: is a system that I've seen
    associated with YOUR name here somewhere.  I smell a scandal brewing
    with possible false accusations on your part just to stir things up a
    bit.
    
    May the Sacred cow of India leave a night deposit in your pillowcase.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Woof and Jake, why don't you guys handle this through MAIL.

    No Keith !
    
    This is gREAT stuff !

    
    Sorry Big Mac, but, I'm not trying to start any trouble, you see,
    I just want to let everyone know Jakes real feelings....
    
    	Unfortunately I can't prove it.  I searched and searched but
    could not locate the 88 - 0 prediction.  So, unfortunately I have
    to withdraw my accusation.  Sorry Jake for thinking that you would
    do such a thing.  Or I should say, that you would even know how
    to do such a thing.  
    
    	At any rate, its out in the open, and I'll let the jnoters 
    deceide for themselves weather you did it or not.  There is a 
    Squeeler fan out there who really feels this way and I must say
    I can't blame him (in Jakes case...Her).  
    
    	Hal
    

    It appears that Chuck Noll has offered Joe Walton the job of Offensive
    coordinator of the Steelers.  The only thing that remains between
    Walton and the job is a contract, which is being negotiated right now.
    
    Seems that the Steelers can pay Walton anything they want for the next
    2 years, the Jets owe him $800k per year and will pay the difference
    between what the Steelers pay him and $800k.  The stumbling block right
    now is not money but length.  Walton is looking for a contract in
    excess of 4 years.
    
    From what input JoJ has put in the Jets note, Walton will institute
    an offense known as the "Pick & Flick". :-)
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Don't know how many of you know this, but FWIW, Joe Walton is from
    Pittsburgh and played his college ball at Pitt.  Tight end, wasn't he? 
    My dad used to travel the country following Pitt.  I can remember him
    telling me of one game against OU in Norman where Walton won the game
    on a catch with time running out.
    
    	--dan'l
    

    Does anyone know if the Steelers have looked at any of the Plan B free
    agents?

    
    Yep, Walton was All-American at end (not tight end) in 1956.  This
    information comes courtesy of my 1989 Pitt Official Program from last 
    year's Pitt-Penn State game.  (Don't worry, I'm a Penn State fan.)
    
    I'm not sure how Walton caught a pass to beat Oklahoma in Norman since
    OU was undefeated 1953-57, and Walton graduated in 1956.
    
    glenn

    Yeah, I know Ditka was a tight end for Pitt.  Did they play on the same
    teams in the 50's?  Perhaps I just got confused because they were
    mentioned in the same breath.  
    
    Or maybe my dad is a liar...
    
    Or maybe he's really not my dad...
    
    Or, worse yet, maybe my dad is Joe Walton and that's why I pick my nose
    so much.
    
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!
    
    	--dan'l

    re a few back
    
    The Steelers were looking at a QB from Green Bay, the name Randy Wright
    sticks in my mind but I'm not sure if that's the right name.  They want
    somebody with some experience to back up Brister.  Todd Blackledge is
    not the one they want as backup though.  Don't know if they signed
    anybody else, though.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Just called the local paper to check, Randy Wright IS the QB the
    Steelers are negotiating with.
    
    Also, Joe Walton DID sign a contract with the Steelers, but the terms
    haven't been disclosed.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    re: -1
    
    Thanks for the info!!

    re a few back
    
    I believe that Pittsburgh is looking at a safety from thee Patriots....
    (cannot remember his name though .....)

    >I believe that Pittsburgh is looking at a safety from the Patriots...
    >(cannot remember his name though...)
    
    Clayborn perhaps???
    
    The Wizard

       Clayborn's a Corner.
                                         Denny

    Nope, it's Darryl Holmes.  He's from the PIttsburgh area, and would
    be a pretty good pick-up.  
    
    NAZZ

    
    Anyone know who the Steelers are going to hire to replace Rod Rust??
    
    I hate to see them lose the one thing that kept their defense together
    last year...
    
    Jim B.

    They have Joe Walton...what else could they possibly need.
    
    JoJ

    ...Ray Berry?
                                    Denny

    They promoted their linebacker coach, last name Brazil or Brazille or
    something like that.
    
    The Steelers also signed Randy Wright, former Green Bay QB as back-up
    to Brister.
    
    JaKe
    

    The linebacker coach was promoted to defensive coordinator.
    
    JaKe
    

     Oh No.....  Not the ever popular and awesome Randy Wright....
    I know he led the Packers to at least 2 or 3 Superbowls.  With
    Walton on the Squealers coacking staff they'll be losers for
    sure.  Looks like another cake walk to the bowl for the Broncos !
    
    Big Game

    Robert Brazille? Like the ex-oiler?  What's Dr. gonna do?

    David Brazil is the Steelers new Defensive Co-ordinator's name.
    He coached the linebackers last year and coached with Rod Rust at
    KC 2 years ago.  He also was DC at a few colleges over the last 15
    years.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    I was in St. Thomas last week where they still haven't recovered from
    Hurricane Hugo.  These people haven't had TV since September.  I was
    ready to kill for basketball scores, having to wait the next day for a
    paper or hoping that the radio would announce something.
    
    Anyway, I also ran across a little blurb in the paper about the
    Steelers hiring and then firing someone in one day.  Anyone have
    details?  What was it all about?
    
    Tanks, mon.  (God, I was there too long...nah)
    
    	--dan'l

    They hired a new coach to be the linebacker coach, since they promoted
    the previous LB coach to Defensive Coord to take over for Rod Rust.
    They found out this new coach wasn't an assistant coach at school
    X (which he'd claimed), but rather, he was the new head coach at
    another school.  He claimed all he had was a verbal agreement, his
    new school claimed that not only was he under contract but he had
    also been recruiting.  The Steelers then said thanks, but no thanks.
    His school didn't exactly want him back, but with it being so late
    in the recruiting season, decided to stick with him.
    
    John

    
    His new school is USF.  He'd better have a great season, or he'll
    be gone Jan 1.

    First question: What was the deal that gave Dallas our first round pick
    and put us at 21st?
    
    Second question: What have they done?  
    
    1st round: Eric Green, TE, Liberty - OK, I can see where Brister needs
    more protection, so if this guys a good blocker, it's an OK pick at
    best.
    
    2nd round: Kenny Davidson, DE, LSU - Have no idea who this guy is.  ESPN
    commentator said he was a late round pick in his opinion.  
    
    3rd round (A): Neal O'Donnell, QB, Maryland - Maybe a sleeper.  Won't
    get to play for about five years.
    
    3rd round (B): Craig Veasey, DL Houston - Good?  
    
    4th round: Chris Calloway, WR, Michigan - Good?
    
    5th round: Barry Foster, RB, Arkansas - A good backup maybe.
    
    

    Green is supposed to be a good blocker AND a good reciever.
    Saw some footage of his college play on ESPN yesterday and he's
    fast for as big as he is, he's also supposed to have great hands,
    catches anything remotely near him, so I heard.
    
    
    as for the rest, Hell I don't know what the hell they're doing.
    Not reading the same program as the rest of the NFL.
    
    JaKe
    

    The scouting report on Green sounds a lot like that on Benny Cunningham
    a number of years ago;  I hope Green turns out better than just an
    average player.
    
    re:  .324 - I don't know either what the Dallas deal was, since neither
    USA Today nor the Colorado Springs G-T had any details.  Can any help
    us?

    I wonder about the pick because of the system. Green was rated as
    the best TE in the draft, and has a ton of talent. But Noll's use
    of the TE is neolithic at best. 
    
    In Noll's system, even a Kellen Winslow would have caught 20 passes
    a season ...

	Looks like Dallas gave Pittsburgh the last pick of the third round
for the privilege of switching from 21st to 17th in the first round. If the 
Steelers really wanted Green all along, they picked up an extra pick in a
deep draft simply by waiting. There were no DL available at their spot in the
draft left that were worth a #1 pick. 
Jim M

    Word on the radio here in Pittsburgh today has it that Noll is giving 
    Joe "Flinging boogers on the" Walton a fairly free hand with the
    offense.  They plan to go with a number of sets that use 2 tight ends
    and Green fits in as one of them.
    
    As for Noll and the trade, this is the first time since Noll came to
    the Steelers that they have traded the first round pick in any way.
    
    Also, the Steelers said they were addressing specific needs this year
    in the draft, instead of the old "best athlete available".
    
    Sure hope things work out.
    
    JaKe
    

    According to the Patriots representatives in New York yesterday,
    the Jets fans in attendance started chanting "Joe must go!" whenever
    it was time for the Steelers to make a pick.
    
    They were also chanting, "Flutie, Flutie, Flutie" when it was time
    for us to draft.
    
    John

>chanting "Joe must go!" whenever it was time for the Steelers to make a pick.
           ^^^                                                           ^^^^
    
    Pun intended?
    
    	--dan'l

    Hey JaKe, how'd you like that WALTON_EFFECT(tm) draft?
    
    JoJ

    JoJ
    
    As far as I see it, the Steeler draft sips penicular appendage this
    year.   Watched a few tapes of 1st round TE Eric Green a few days ago
    and the guy catches the ball and looks for a place to fall down.  He
    doesn't even try to tack on some yardage after the catch.  Somebody'll
    have to put their toe up his habeus_rectumus(tm) and get him to think 
    "run with the damn ball after you catch it."
    As for the rest of the draft, Hoover city.
    
    JaKe
    

    Sam Rutigliano (sp?) was in Charlotte the other night.  I was talking
    to the owner of a pizza place here in Charlotte who's a good friend of
    his.  
    
    Sam is now coaching at Liberty where Eric Green has been playing his
    college ball.  Sam told our mutual friend that Green is the best tight
    end he has *ever* coached, including Ozzie Newsome.  Prepare to be
    impressed is what I say.  
    
    But I agree, the rest of the picks are nuts.  
    
    	--dan'l

    Given the major role that the tight end plays in Joe Walton's offense,
    it's not that surprising that they used their #1 pick in the draft to
    get the best TE in it.  If Green is as good as Rutigliano claims, he
    could post some awesome stats in years to come.  Mickey Shuler, a good
    tight end, has benefited greatly by playing in Walton's offense over
    the years.
    
    Conversely,  Pittsburgh has not utilized the TE in their passing game
    for YEARS!!  Thus, it's likely Noll(sp?) and Walton felt that the current
    TE's on the roster would not be able to excel in the newly introduced
    offensive schemes....thus creating the need to get a TE early in the
    draft.
    
    
    Nelly 

    You caint excape from the WALTON_EFFECT(tm)
    
    JoJ

    Steeler's 1990 schedule
    --------- ---- --------
    
    
    Sun Sept 9   at Clevescum
    Sun Sept 16  HOUSCUM
    Sun Sept 23  at L.A. Raiders
    Sun Sept 30  MIAMI
    Sun Oct 7    SAN DIEGO
    Sun Oct 14   at Denver
    Sun Oct 21   at San Francisco
    Mon Oct 29   L.A. RAMS
    Sun Nov 4    ATLANTA
    Sun Nov 11   Open Date
    Sun Nov 18   at Sinsinati
    Sun Nov 25   at N.Y. Jests
    Sun Dec 2    SINSINATI
    Sun Dec 9    NEW ENGLAND
    Sun Dec 16   at New Orleans
    Sun Dec 23   CLEVESCUM
    Sun Dec 30   at Houscum
    
    Jan 13       Playoffs
    Jan 20         "  "
    
    Jan 27       Super Bowl
    
    
    This is the complete 1990 Steelers schedule, opponents for the last 3
    dates will be determined later.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    re .338
    
    Steeler's 1990 schedule
    --------- ---- --------
    
    
    Sun Sept 9   at Clevescum   - Loss
    Sun Sept 16  HOUSCUM        - BIG LOSS (by SHUTOUT)
    Sun Sept 23  at L.A. Raiders - BIG LOSS
    Sun Sept 30  MIAMI           - Win (in OT)
    Sun Oct 7    SAN DIEGO       - Win
    Sun Oct 14   at Denver       - LOSS (the Refs will get ya !)
    Sun Oct 21   at San Francisco - BIG LOSS
    Mon Oct 29   L.A. RAMS        - Win
    Sun Nov 4    ATLANTA          - Loss (The Glanville Factor ;-)
    Sun Nov 11   Open Date        - The Steagles would lose if they'd play
    Sun Nov 18   at Sinsinati     - Loss
    Sun Nov 25   at N.Y. Jests    - Win (Somebody has to)
    Sun Dec 2    SINSINATI        - Loss
    Sun Dec 9    NEW ENGLAND      - Win
    Sun Dec 16   at New Orleans   - Win
    Sun Dec 23   CLEVESCUM        - Win
    Sun Dec 30   at Houscum       - ANOTHER BIG LOSS (Refs call off
    				   slaughter after Moon's 8th TD pass.)
    
    7-9 record at best
    
    Jan 13       Playoffs   Houston wins - JaKe weeps ...
    Jan 20         "  "     Houston wins - JaKe attempts sucide
    
    Jan 27       Super Bowl Houston kicks butt - JoKe is committed.
    
    Hope this helps,
    
    Dr Midnight
               

    Hey Midwife, are you sure you and Whitehead aren't twin brothers.
    Your blind optimism about the Oilslicks is in the same league as
    Whitehead and the Brown(spot)s(tm).
    
    Steelers will finish either 11-5 or 12-4 and take the AFC Central.
    
    JaKe
    

    HA HA HA
    The mighty BENGALS will take the the central and go on to the Bowl.
    As for the Steelers the BENGALS will kick there ass just like last
    season.
    
                          BENGALS FOR THE BOWL 1991
    
                            BIG AL SCOTLANDS NO1 BENGAL FAN

    
    	Hmmmmm, I counted 11 loses out of those games.........
    
    
    	Bubble Breath (tm)
    
    	
    	Signed.....THE WOLF GANG!
    

    Steeler's 1990 schedule
    --------- ---- --------
    
    Sun Sept 9   at Clevescum
    Sun Sept 16  HOUSCUM
    Sun Sept 23  at L.A. Raiders
    Sun Sept 30  MIAMI
    Sun Oct 7    SAN DIEGO

*    SUN OCT 14   AT DENVER  ( Bubble Blister (tm) goes down In:
                               Ig-no-min-i-ous De-FEET!!!!!!!!!)


   Mike JN

    Can someone post or point me to the '90 Steelers schedule including
    pre-season games please.
    
    I need to plan some business trips overseas and want to miss as few
    games as possible.  Hey, you gotta have priorities, no?!?
    
    Tanks in advance.
    
    	--dan'l

    Here ya go, -dan'l:
    
    
    Preseason:
    
    Thurs Aug 9   NEW ENGLAND       7:30pm
    Fri   Aug 17  at Washington     8:00pm
    Sat   Aug 26  at Dallas         9:00pm
    Sat   Sep 1   PHILADELPHIA      9:00pm
    
    
    Regular Season
    
    Sun Sep 9   at Clevescum	4:00pm
    Sun sep 16  HOUSCUM 	8:00pm
    Sun Sep 23  at LA Raiders	4:00pm
    Sun sep 30  MIAMI		1:00 pm
    Sun Oct 7   SAN DIEGO       1:00pm
    Sun Oct 14  at Denver       4:00pm
    Sun Oct 21  at San Francisco4:00pm
    Mon Oct 29  LA RAMS		9:00pm
    Sun Nov 4   ATLANTA         1:00pm
    Sun Nov 11  Bye
    Sun Nov 18  at Cincinnati   8:00pm
    Sun Nov 25  at NY Jets      4:00pm
    Sun Dec 2   CINCINNATI      1:00pm
    Sun Dec 9   NEW ENGLAND     1:00pm
    Sun Dec 16  at New Orleans  1:00pm
    Sun Dec 23  CLEVESCUM       1:00pm
    Sun Dec 30  at Houscum      8:00pm
    
    Playoffs
    Super Bowl
    
    Home games in  caps.
    
    JaKe
    

    Hey Jake...the Jets are gonna crush the Steelers.

    Jo?
    
    Why, 
    
    the............WALTON EFFECT.......................???
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Please note - the preseason game with New England on August 9, which
    you have listed as a Steelers home game, is only a Steelers home game
    in name.  The game is being played at Olympic Stadium in Montreal.  I'm
    going on the trip and in my talks with the Patriots last week to work
    out some of the logistics, they said the promoters are expecting a
    crowd of only about 20,000 people.  If that's the case, someone is
    going to take a huge loss on this effort.  It also makes my guess of
    Montreal as a possible NFL expansion site look pretty foolish.
    
    John

 Jake, you're slaying me with your p-names.... ;^)

 John heard of any intersting discount packages to attend the game and watch
 the Steelers lay waste to the fading fast Pats?

 mike

    re: Jake
    
    Absolutely...the Walton effect will take control of what could be a
    great offense and cause it to sputter and die halfway through the 3rd
    period.
    
    Too bad for Pitt.. They made a decent showing last year. I was hoping
    they'd become a force in the AFC Central.
    
    JoJ

    They Wil, They Will, They Will
    
    excuse me, i was just skipping around here.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    re-.1
    
    they will  meant towards your dominant force comment, not the sputter
    in the third period comment.
    
    
    JaKe
    
    
    

    Just so ya know, Jake, I hate the Oilers, I hate the Browns. The
    Bengals are ok, and the Steelers are ok except when they play the Jets,
    then I hate them too.
    
    So, if the Steelers go 15-1 but lose to the Jets, that'll be ok by me.
    
    If ya know any hit men, put out a contract on that nose picker Walton
    or your guys won't do squat this year.
    
    JoJ

    Hawk:
    
    I started losing my blond locks at the tender age of 19.  The p-name
    fits though.
    
    JaKe
    

    My friend just sent me the Post-Gazette articles on the Steeler's
    Oklahoma Drills.  Seems like Carlton Haselrig, six time NCAA wrestling
    champ, destroyed all comers for the second year in a row.  
    
    Guess that don't mean much since he was put on the developmental squad
    last year.  But this year he has really caught Noll's eye and Noll and
    Joe Greene are fighting it out over whether he'd be better on the
    offensive or defensive line.  (Bet Noll wins.)
    

    That time of the year is coming.  Training camps, preseason games from
    afar and JUNK NOTING GALORE!!!
    
    The Steelers opened camp Wednesday.
    They are said to be learning in camp how to play while wearing
    toxic-waste suits because they have to travel to the mistake by the
    lake, CLEVESCUM, on Sept 9th to open their season.  
    
    The Steelers will avenge the 51-0 debacle in 3 Rivers in week one of
    last year.  
    
    JaKe
    

    Minor nit but how does one win 6 ncaa wrestling titles in four
    years and has anyone ever won four, I can't think of any one.
    
    Jimbo

    RE: 6 NCAA wrestling titles
    
    Maybe in different weight classes?  I'm not sure.  That's what the
    paper said.  
    
    What amazes me is someone who never plays a down of college football
    and can step right up with the pros.  The Browns Sam Clancy comes to
    mind.  A story I heard out of last years Steelers camp was that
    Haselrig was more or less moving these 280 pound linemen five yards off 
    the line of scrimmage with no exceptions.  
    
    	--dan'l

    
    
    	I can hardly wait, I'll be back in "real" football country by
    the end of the week!  Can't wait to see another group of Steelers
    move into the Hall... This year should be pretty good with Lambert
    and Franco!  
    
    	At least I'll get to see the Steeler's once this year!
    
    

    bill_g_who_is_the_only_Mass_resident_with_a_Steeler_license_plate_
    

    Hey Bill, why don't you start your own fan club up there.  I started
    one here in Charlotte only four months ago and have amassed close to
    100 members just by word of mouth.
    
    We've already got a pizza joint in town that will show us the games and
    put out a weekly Black and Gold news letter, gratis for bringing in the
    business on Sundays.
    
    I wrote to the Steelers and told them and the next thing I knew, they
    sent us pennants, posters, etc. to decorate the place.   
    
    But the best item in our collection so far arrived about a month ago. 
    (Only true Pittsburghers will appreciate this.)  I came home one day
    and there's this box about 3 feet by 5 inches next to my mailbox.  And
    in it was one of the old Kennywood signs with the pointing (index)
    finger that used to be all over town.   (Kennywood for those
    non-Pittsburghers who've read this far is an amusement park that
    arguably has the best collection of roller-coasters in the country.)
    
    	--dan'l
    	  President and Founder
    	  Black and Gold Club of Charlotte

    
    Dan'l,
    
    	Not a bad idea... It's amazing, but there seems to be quite
    an interest in Steeler football up here in Patsy country.  Most
    of my friends like the Steeler's, but none really have the gutz
    to were the black and gold.
    
    	As for Kennywood, I'll be stopping by in another week to give
    the Thunderbolt another go...  I'm kinda sorry to see those signs
    go, but how do they tell people how to get there now?
    
    	As for the dish.. I guy in the plant is from Western Pa. too
    and he has a dish and watches the Steelers and the Pirates, so I
    could go to his house.  My main problem though is the fact that
    since I'm a basketball official, my free time in the winter is almost
    non-existant.  What little I have, goes to my family (unless the
    Steelers are on!!).  
    
    	And another general thing, I'd like to get my hands on a "terrible
    towel" and a "green wennie"!!!
    
    								bill..g.
    

    RE: Kennywood
    
    When you go home, you'll see that the pointing-finger signs have been
    replaced by arrows.  Not quite as unique, but still as uneffective as
    ever.  Those signs, and signs to the zoo, are in the strangest places. 
    Drive through any suburb and you'll see one.  But as with anything else
    in Pittsburgh, there's no direct route anywhere (except to the super
    bowl)!
    
    RE: Terrible Towel	
    
    They stopped making the official ones.  I'll cherish mine forever. 
    It's the official Myron Cope model.  Yoiks!
    
    	--dan'l

>    And to think that this sad little club doesn't even root for the best
>    football team in Pennsylvania.
    
    You're right, Bob.  Everyone knows that the best football team in
    Pennsylvania is...
    
    
    
    Slippery Rock!
    

    RE: .360
    
    I don't remember the facts exactly but I believe Haselrig was a ncaa
    division II or III wrestler.  Before last year they allowed division II
    and III wrestlers to compete in their tournaments and then wrestle in
    the ncaa division I tournament.  I believe that practice has been
    stopped.  If you need more precise information I will rumble through my
    stack of old steeler digests.
    
    Does everyone know about the weekly steeler digest.  It gives good game
    summaries as well as feature stories on players and coaches.  I comes a
    little late though unless you order priority mail.  Unsually I get the
    previous Sunday's information on Thurs., Fri., or Saturday.  It could
    be real nice to have this year with the new coaching philosphys for
    the offense and defense(slightly revamped).
    
    I hate the fact the steelers are playing the atl. falcons in Pittsbugh. 
    The last time the steelers were supposed to play in Atlanta the great
    tickets that were purchased turned out to scab watchers.  Of course I
    could stand to scabs in the place of real steelers.  Looks like I'm
    going to have to hit the road to see them live.
    
    Roy L.

    Hey Roy,
    
    Check out the last regular season issue of Steelers Digest.  In it is
    the letter that got the Charlotte club started!
    
    By the way, there is also a rag for the Dolphins if anyone is
    interested.
    
    	--dan'l

    One more note before the weekend.  Just got my weekly phone call from
    my friend in Pittsburgh.  Apparently the Steelers held a "non-scoring
    scrimmage" (whatever that is) at a highschool field in Latrobe (where
    Arnold Palmer drives his tractor).  They sold over 12,000 seats which
    is almost as much as have been sold in Montreal for the first
    exhibition game against the Pats.
    
    Those burghers do love their football team.
    
    	--dan'l

    to clarify .370, the Steelers held a scrimmage against the Redskins
    where there was no kicking game.  Each team ran 40 plays and the
    scrimmage ended in a 12-12 tie.  There were over 12,000 fans in
    attendance in a stadium that seats 10,000.  Either next week or the
    week after the Steelers will journey to Carlisle, Pa, site of the
    Redskins training camp for another similar scrimmage.
    
    
    JaKe
    

  Regarding Steelers Digest:

  I'm an old time Steeler fan (all the way back to Bobby Lane, John Henry
  Johnson etc). I now live in Colorado where we get very little information
  on the Steeler's. In fact, this conference is the only place where I can 
  keep up with any Steeler news. Could someone tell me how to get a copy of
  Steelers Digest ? Is there an address or phone number for me to start a 
  subscription ? How much does it cost ?

			Keith who graduated from Baldwin High School in '67

>  I'm an old time Steeler fan (all the way back to Bobby Lane, John Henry
>  Johnson etc). I now live in Colorado where we get very little information
>  on the Steeler's. In fact, this conference is the only place where I can 

	Keith, if you are in Colorado Springs, check out McKenna's Pub. 
The bar on the main level there was showing Steeler games whenever they were 
on, even exhibition games, if I recall correctly. I'm not a Steeler fan,
but noticed them at dinner a couple of times.

	Jim M

    Steeler offices phone # is 412-323-1200.  They could tell ya about a
    subscription.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    The number for credit card orders is 1800-334-4005.
    
    Subscription price is $29.95 per year.  There are also multi-year
    subscription deals.
    
    I can send you the order form if you don't want to charge it.  Let me
    know.
    
    It really is a great rag.  It's a weekly publication during the season
    and is filled with enough information (usually around 30 pages) to
    satisfy any Steelers fan far from "home."
    
    By the way, there's an add in the preseason issue for video tapes of
    the championship years as well as highlight films of the last few
    seasons.  If anyone is interested, I'll pass the info along.
    
    Keith, there are two clubs in Colorado that support the Steelers. 
    There is one in Central City called the Rocky Mountain Pittsburgh Club,
    and there is the Pittsburgh Colorado Springs Club.  For more
    information, call a guy by the name of Nick Neary (412/921-5408) in
    Pittsburgh and tell him you got his name and number from me (Dan
    Medvid).
    
    	--dan'l who graduated from Chartiers Valley High School in '81

    Has the HOF induction with Lambert and Franco Harris occurred yet?

    
    It's this weekend (Sat., Aug. 4).
    
    Franco Harris' Pro Record:
    
    Seasons	13
        Rushing
    Att.	2945
    Yds.	12120
    Avg.	4.1
    TD		91
     Pass Receiving
    Rec.	307
    Yds.	2287
    Avg.	7.4
    TD		9
    
    Named to Pro Bowl '72-'80
    
    
    Jack Lambert's Pro Record:
    
    Seasons	11
        Tackles
    Solo	985
    Assists	456
    Total	1441
      Interceptions
    Total	28
    Yds.	243
    Avg.	8.7
    
    Named to Pro Bowl '75-'83

    Tim Worley will have surgery on his knee that he tore up in the
    Steelers Redskins scrimages.  This is a big blow to the offensive
    attack.  He might be back for the regular season, but who's to say the
    knee will ever be the same?
    
    OK, Joe Walton, time to start earning your paycheck.
    
    From what I hear, though, the Steelers two rookie running backs Barry
    Foster (Arkansas) and Richard Bell (Nebraska) looked great in the Skins
    scrimmage.
    
    	--dan'l

    Apparently there is some comcern in Steeler camp that Worley's knee
    injury may be more serious than originally thought.  They said that if
    there is ligament damage, reconstructive surgery could be necesary and
    Worley would miss the entire season.
    
    The Steeler's luck with #1 draft picks in the '80's is still
    continuing.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    so much for one of my picks in FFL
    

    The Steelers announced that Tim Worley has minor ligament damage in his
    knee.  The doctor's suggestions for him are to let it heal by resting
    it.  He is expected to miss the next 2 to 3 weeks, which in
    Pittsburghese for first rounders means he'll rest the knee for 3 weeks,
    then completely blow out the knee on his first running play, requiring
    major surgery and plunging his 40 yd dash time into the mid 5's
    forever.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Have the Steelers signed Eric Greene yet?  I read where he had trouble
    with his first agent so he got a new one only a few days before camp. 
    The new agent was from Pittsburgh and had never negotiated with the NFL
    before.  Is this the hold up?
    
    Tim Johnson is another hold out, right?  I bet he gets the Franco
    Harris treatment.  Remember "Franco who?"  Harris then went on to play
    a few more games for Seattle and retire.  Chuck Noll knows when a
    player has had it (except maybe for Stoudt and Malone who played far to
    long in Black and Gold).
    
    	--dan'l

    Good for Noll.  Neil O'Donnell, however, signed the other day I
    believe.  That probably means Strom will not be wearing black and gold
    much longer.
    
    Steelers won their exhibition game with the Pats last night 30-14 and
    we had over 100 fans at Picasso's Pizza in Charlotte cheering them on.
    I can't believe I just started this club four months ago.  
    
    Barry Foster, (R) Arkansas, ran his butt off last night.  What a steal
    in the 4th round he appears to be.  There will probably be several
    Steelers running backs picked up on waivers during the pre-season
    because they're real deep here and all of them have talent.
    
    	--dan'l

    I was in Montreal for the game.  The Patriots were awful.  The crowd
    was awful.  We flew back right after the game and between not having
    the plane at the airport when we were ready to leave, and having
    only two people working at Customs when we got back, I didn't get
    home until 430AM Friday.  Not one word of complaint from the Patriots
    players, however.
    
    Bad though it was, it's nice to be back to work again.
    
    John

    
    
    	Well, I have just returned from Western Pa. and I got up on
    all the Steeler poop.  As of today, their No. 2 pick was signed
    and this leaves only Green, their no. 1 unsigned.
    
    	Rambling thoughts:
    
    	The city is basically split on what to do about the neverending
    battle of the holdouts.  Some side with the Rooney's and some side
    with the draft picks.  This whole matter has basically come down
    to the fact that they are squabbling over 30K in salary with Green.
    Some say that "these guys have never played a down of NFL football
    and why should they get millions without having proved themselves",
    while others say "that's the going rate and the Steelers should
    pay it."  My thing is if they are going to continue to do this with
    their first round pick every year where they miss camp, then come
    back and get hurt and are gone for the season, then I say trade
    the pick and get another body.  Noll blasted and I mean blasted
    the 3 picks holding out plus Johnson who is also holding out.  Noll
    even when so far as to question the integrity of one of the Agents
    (who happened to of played for the Oilers in the early-mid 70's)
    around the importance of training camp and that maybe he (the agent)
    wasn't ever part of a winning team....ouch!  As usual, Noll is pretty
    upset, but what else is new.
    
    1st preseason game:  Boring..basically, Brister stunk pretty bad
    and the Steelers weren't that impressive.  Sure they ran the ball
    for over 200 yards and held the pats to 20, but the Pats are dismal
    at best.  The bright spots have to be at running back.  The Steelers
    seem to be loaded and it looks like there is going to be some tough
    cuts down the stretch.
    
    Hall of Fame induction:  Once again, this was my highlight of going
    home.  Another huge group of people made the trek to Canton to witness
    the induction of Lambert and Franco.  The news really played it
    up and had plenty to show about the crowd.  They did some nice pieces
    on the guys who formed "lambert's lunatics (they made the huge banner
    of lambert that you used to see at the games) and Franco's Army.
    Franco loved his army so much that he invited the founders to the
    ceremonies to sit in the special section with his family.  The clips
    on the "Army" really brought back the memories!  Most of all, the
    fans were forgiving as they welcomed back Franco into the fold with
    flying colors.  At one point in the ceremony, the steeler fans chanted
    "Here we go Steelers" for over 3 minutes causing Franco to stop
    his speech and just listen.  My only regret is that I haven't taken
    the trip to see an induction ceremony live!
    
    Overall, the Steelers could have a decent season if Brister can
    deliver and if the front four can get some pressure on the QB.
    
    							bill..g.
    

    Bill,
    
    You wouldn't have taped the Hall of Fame Hoopla and inductions by any
    chance?  I told my father to tape it all for me, but as always, he just
    can't grasp 20th-century technology.  Basically my parents' VCR is a
    $600 channel changer that has a clock constantly blinking 12:00.
    
    	--dan'l

Dan'l....

If you're folks are anywhere on the high side of 50, take heart.

That syndrome is rampant among older people.  My parents are ahead
of the game, in that they can work with a phone answering machine,
and deal with a microwave oven.  

It amazes them that cars use chips to determine their tuning.

VCRs are like the great Dark God sitting under (or on top of) the TV.
Only the high priests of today's technology (read that me and my
brother) can perform the all important ritual of programming it
to record.

They do know how to play back...which is a blessing 8^)

I'm thinking of starting a little business, called Technology
for Geriatrics, where I go around weekly and set up people's VCR's
to record and stuff for them.....

'Saw

    Bill, I think you're a good guy, and a class act.
    
    So why don't you hop on the Oiler Bandwagon while there's time ?
    
    Whatdda say ?
    
    Doc

    RE: Technology for Geriatrics
    
    Count me in.  There's got to be a fortune in that.  Imagine the money
    we could make going around resetting VCR clocks every time there's a
    power outage!  
    
    Saw, if you'd have come up with this last year about this time, we
    could have retired by now and named all our offspring after our
    benefactor Hugo.
    
    	--dan'l

>    Saw, if you'd have come up with this last year about this time, we
>    could have retired by now and named all our offspring after our
>    benefactor Hugo.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA(tm)!

It would be nice to be retired, so I could play all day...

'Saw

    
    How come my kids can wire up any device in the house, and play such
    mind racking games on the Ninento like 'Zelda' and
    'Super-duper-ultra-mega-grandioso-goombah brothers, but I can't
    teach them poker because "It's too complicated?"  Go figure.
    
    But then again, I can last all of 30 seconds on the simplest of
    video games.  My bo-dacious wife tells me it's the second shortest
    thing I do. 
    
    Oh, and how about them Steelers, eh?
    
    Dickster, feeling closer to the geriatrics than the New Kids.
    
    

    Great p-name, 'Saw ...
    
    And forget about any business designed to help the elderly with modern
    technology.
    
    My five-year old is a wizard with a remote control and I'm sure she'd
    viciously undercut us "old folks" in price, delivery, and cuteness. 
    We'd be in Chapter 11 before we knew what hit us.
    
    Bob Hunt

>    Great p-name, 'Saw ...
    
Thanks Bob.  


re Dickster and his shortest thing:

	You, sir, are too much.  Teach your kids poker, by all
	means. And teach them to drink whiskey and chew tobacco and
	how to spit properly when doing so...

	Techno-whizz-weenies or not, those are things that every man
	should know how to do....

'Saw

    
    >	means. And teach them to drink whiskey and chew tobacco and
    >	how to spit properly when doing so...
     
    Good thing they ain't girls, huh?
    
    Dickster
    

    
    'saw, stopo making fun of old folks, Lee might get urinated.  Has he
    signed up for your service yet?
    
    Bruce

    There's no way in hell I'd let a SportsNoter get near my house.
    
    I got two single daughters over 18, and another who is 8.  :*)
    
    Lee

    Well, maybe A&W, and Karen, and Kristin, but none of you'se *guys*.
    
    Lee

    
    I think the two over 18 are safe from 'saw, but he asked me to ask you
    if the 8 year old was cute.
    
    Bruce

    Cute as a button, and my junkyard dog protects her all the time.
    
    Lee

    Back to the Steelers:
    
    They play at Washington tomorrow at 8:00 PM.
    
    Then they're at Dallas next Saturday at 9:00 PM.
    
    Are they gonna win?  Yes, if the defense keeps playing like they have.
    
    And Noll more or less said that if the holdouts continue much longer,
    those guys will not make the team.  Has any other team ever cut their
    number one pick due to hold out?
    
    	--dan'l

>   When my kid was five, his Grandmother asked him why he liked to go
>   camping with me so much. 
>   Nice and innocent, he says ` cause we drink beer, spit, say shit, and
>   get to pee in the fire'.
>   The old dudette almost went into cardiac arrest.

Gotta love it.

re Junkyard Dogs:

	When you raise a wolf, there ain't much in the canine world
	that'll scare ya. 8^)

re Bruce:

	Gee Bruce, I thought young-uns was all the rage in California....8^)
                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^
re Lee's Daughters...

	Unless any or all of them:  Drink Jack Daniels, Shoot shotguns,
	love motorcycles, and think that Jimi Hendrix is GOD,  I'm
	not interested 8^) ;^)


'Saw

    They won't be cut but they will be put into some sort of special
    category which means they'll remain Pittsburgh property until the next
    draft and don't count against the roster, unless they sign between now
    and the next draft.  The last prominent player to do this was Bo
    Jackson when he was signed by Tampa Bay but refused to report.  He
    remained Tampa Bay property until the Raiders drafted him in the next
    draft but didn't count on the Tampa Bay roster.
    
    John

    
    
    Standard procedure for Noll.  He won't cut off his nose to spite
    his face.  He won't cut them (or sideline them).  
    
    For instance, a few years ago, he said that Woodson had missed so     
    much camp (and eventually some of the season) that he wouldn't even 
    be able to make the team.  Woodson played in the first and second
    games after he signed and started the third game.
    
    When Franco was holding out, he answered queries from reporters
    about the situation by saying, "Franco Who?"
    
    Chuck just gets a little urinated when they miss camp and the
    rhetoric gets a little warm...
    
    Charlie
    
    

    
    re: .387 
    
    	Dan'l, sorry to say, I didn't tape the show.. My parents VCR
    doesn't blink on 12:00, it just sits there with --:--!  To make
    matters worse, they only have one blank tape and it was to late
    to run out and get another.  But, it was a great show if you were
    a Steeler fan!
    
    re: doc
    
    	Sorry doc, but the Oilers aren't my cup of tea..How could I
    ever root for a team that encouraged their fans to bring little
    miniture lassos to a game and swing them around..and to top that,
    have "baby blue" as a team color..  No thanks, I stick with the
    black and gold!
    
    							bill..g.
    

    re .408
    
    Minature lassos ???? Nah, the worse we ever did was usethose blue and
    white pom-poms.
    
    Seems like they worked pretty well in the Dome.... unlike those
    Black&Gold snotrags you guys used to wave .... :-)

    I thought you Steelers fans would be interested in this little
    blaspheme I whipped up for the next Charlotte Black and Gold Club news
    letter:
    
    

            The History of the Pittsburgh Black and Gold Club of Charlotte




          In the beginning Art Rooney created the Steelers. And the Steel-
          ers were without form, and void; and darkness was upon the city
          of Pittsburgh.

          And Art said, Let there be Chuck Noll: and there was Chuck
          Noll. And Art saw the light reflecting off of four Super Bowl
          trophies, that it was good.

          But then many Pittsburghers divided, leaving their city for far
          away lands. One such land was Charlotte, North Carolina. And the
          Pittsburghers were lonely and there was darkness again.

          So the Pittsburghers created a club. And the club was shapeless
          until Picasso's Pizza at Providence Square brought forth a
          satellite dish, hereby yielding much sales of pizza and beer.

          And the fans were blessed and were fruitful and did multiply.
          And the fans did love being with one another, though the Televi-
          sion Gods were showing the games in the fans' own living rooms.

          Indeed, the fans did love this club so much they did fill Pi-
          casso's at Providence Square. And Picasso's said, Let there be
          two locations to host the greatest fans in the world.

          And thus is born the Pittsburgh Black and Gold Club of Char-
          lotte. They meeteth for every Steelers game at Picasso's Pizza
          at Providence Square and at Central Avenue.

          And all is good and the Browns are still scum.

    
>    And all is good and the Browns are still scum.
    
    That is the most beautiful piece of prose I've ever read.

    And with all the fans loving each other and being fruitful and
    multiplying, it sounds like a very, very interesting group.
    
    John

>    And with all the fans loving each other and being fruitful and
>    multiplying, it sounds like a very, very interesting group.
    
    We even have ladies in the group that DON'T look like bowling pins. 
    Makes for a fun evening.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    re: Doc
    
    	Doc, you call yourself a Oiler fan and yet you don't remember
    those little ropes they tried to push on the fans?  Of course, that
    was before "houston oilers, houston oilers #1" song, and the arrival
    of Earl with the blue and white pom poms.  It was a monday night
    game and the steelers killed the oilers something like 31-3 and
    Ernie "Fats" Holmes said that the fans were so upset that they started
    throwing those little ropes onto the field in the 4th quarter!
    
    	As for those "snot-rags" you were talking about, it seems as
    though they provided the "magic" for 4 suberbowls.  Which is 4 more
    than all the blue in texas could or ever will bring!  Now with "booger
    Joe" Walton controlling the offense, maybe it's time to bring back
    the snot-rags?
    
    							bill..g.
      

>    Now with "booger
>    Joe" Walton controlling the offense, maybe it's time to bring back
>    the snot-rags?
    
    Why, bill, so we can cry?  The offense looks more confused than
    anything else.  If it weren't for the running game they have going for
    them, the Steelers would be in terrible shape.  
    
    Bubby doesn't look sharp and the receivers...well.  
    
    And Randy Wright has got to go, and I mean NOW!
    
    	--dan'l
    
    

    The offense will settle down in a couple of weeks, just in time to
    thrash the Brown(spot)s(tm) in the season opener.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    re: -2
    
    	The offense will be O.K., it just takes time.  But, I gotta
    admit that Brister has me worried.  He doesn't look good at all
    and I really can't understand why a QB would have trouble adjusting
    to an offense that depends on him to throw more, unless a QB can't
    throw to begin with.
    
    	The steeler's since Noll has taken over, have always had a strong
    running game.  Noll believes in controling the game with the run,
    so the passing game will always take a backseat while Noll is around.
    
    	Re: Jake
    
    	Any new news on Green signing?  What's the latest news from
    camp?
    
    							bill..g.
    

    JaKe is on vacation (and spending it in a great location too, Three
    Rivers and Kennywood).
    
    Actually, I read where Brister said Walton's receiver patterns were
    confusing the hell out of him.  
    
    Apparantly Green and the Rooney's are about $30,000 apart and neither
    is budging.  And as long as Malarky keeps playing well, there's no
    reason for the Rooney's to blink.
    
    Like I said over in the Pats note, they could trade Green's rights and
    get two first rounders next year.  We got what we need this year. 
    Ain't no one player gonna make Pittsburgh's schedule any easier.  It's
    a rough one.
    
    	--dan'l  

    
>    Actually, I read where Brister said Walton's receiver patterns were
>    confusing the hell out of him.  

If Bubby jams one finger up his nose and then looks at the patterns
they'll make more sense.  Wif one finger up your nose, one eye sees
stronger than the other....8^)

'Saw    

    The Steelers look really bad with only one week left in exhibition.
    
    No pass rush.
    
    No air attack.
    
    No QB protection.
    
    In the game against Dallas Saturday, all they did was throw the ball. 
    I guess since they're up to their necks in quality running backs, they
    decided to use the game to work out the kinks in the passing game. 
    Well, they need to work harder.  
    
    The Steelers played like shit and I really don't think it's any one
    player's fault.  Perhaps there is something to this Walton effect.
    
    	--dan'l

    At the Steelers' game Saturday against the Eagles at Three Rivers, a
    fan hung a sign that said:
    
    			J?E!
    
    		    Where's the O?
    
    The Steelers ended up beating Philly, though the ground attack was the
    major reason.  The passing and receiving are still suspect.
    
    	--dan'l

    I got my first opportunity to see the steelers this weekend and I sort
    of see both ends of the spectrum.  I running game did look real good
    and maybe that will be enough to hold on to until the pass game
    arrives.  The run defense also looked awesome but does philly really
    have a running attack????  The pass defense got burned for a couple of
    big plays(which could be enough to lose any game if you don't have any
    offense), but all the other pass coverage looked good.  I saw a lot of 
    gang tackling.
    
    Anybody know what the word is on Delton Hall?  He looked ferocious
    during his rookie season but since he hurt his had he doesn't seem to
    have that same kind of pop.  He also got burned by Mike Quick saturday.
    
    I was suprised to see Rodney Carter released but I guess the steeler
    wealth is at running back for a change.  Here's this list of those cut
    from the steeler roster from the Atlanta Journal Constitution:
    
    	Rodney Carter, Weegie Thompson, Mark Stock and Lorenzo Davis wide
    	receivers; Billy Griggs, tight end; Tim Tyrell and Kimble Anders,
    	running backs; Darryl Holmes and Billy Owens, safties; Richard
    	Shelton, cornerback; Eddie Miles, linbacker, and John Buddenburg,
    	offensive tackle.
    
    I start drooling just thinking about Sunday opening day!!!
    
    Roy L.

    The Steelers will avenge the 51-0 debacle of last year against the
    Brown(spot)s(tm) this weekend.
    
    JaKe
    

Just a quick note on Steelers loyality. Last week at a bankruptcy auction
they auctioned off 14 Steelers Tickets worth a total of 2,000.00+ bucks    
for 21,000.00+ bucks! One set of 4 endzone seats worth 720.00 brought in
6,000.00+ bucks.....

I haven't heard much Hoge lately he is ok and will be starting this sunday
right?

mike

    Beltin' Delton Hall never was good at pass coverage.  But he is one of
    the hardest hitters in the NFL.  Just ask Webster Slaughter.  He has,
    in my opinion, never gotten better.  But at the same time, he has never
    gotten worse.  I don't think having an intimidator on the field is
    worth giving up a big play, however.  Hall should be second string or
    specialty teams until he can prove he can play as well as he hits.
    
    I don't think Hoge is injured.  He played Saturday.
    
    They didn't throw to their tight ends at all Saturday after throwing to
    them all preseason.  Is this a setup for Cleveland?  I can see it now:
    Cleveland after not being able to stop Hoge, Worley, and my new Steeler
    favorite Barry Foster in the first half concentrate on stopping the run
    in the second.  Malarkey would be open the rest of the game.  Now if
    Brister can get him the ball, that's the question?
    
    It will be a great game regardless of outcome.
    
    	--dan'l
    first half

    Pittsburgh's first round pick and the only unsigned first rounder in
    the NFL this year, TE Eric Green said he would rather sit out the
    season than accept Pittsburgh's contract.
    
    Fine, Eric.  See you in the unemployment line in a few years.
    
    The Steelers don't need you as much as you don't need them.
    
    	--dan'l

Er, uh, didn't Pittsburgh beat the Browns in their second meeting last year? 

If so, why all of this talk about avenging the 51-zip wipeout?

Just curious,
Bruce

    re .427:
    
    >	didn't Pittsburgh beat the Browns in their second meeting last year? 
    
    Yes, 17-7 on October 15th at Cleveland.
    
    
    py

    If you got beat 51-0 in front of your fans in the season opener, would
    a 17-7 win in the rematch be enough to quell the vengence you seek?  
    
    If Mark Stock hadn't dropped that pass in the playoff game against
    Denver, Pittsburgh just may have had a chance to return the favor last
    January.  
    
    A win in Cleveland is all I'm hoping for.  With the way the Steelers
    pass game and pass rush has been looking, to expect a blow out is a bit
    absurd...but boy would it be nice.
    
    It'll be the game to see Sunday.  That's if I survive the all-out
    rooting for Virginia tomorrow.
    
    	--dan'l

Re: .429

Ack. I just thought that beating the Browns later in the season IN Cleveland
would be revenge enough. 

Really, when you think about it, ANY AFC Central team playing ANY other AFC
Central team ALWAYS generates enough emotion and hatred (both fans and teams)
to flatten Iraq. There is ALWAYS some reason why you want to absolutely KILL
an AFC Central opponent. The problem with the AFC Central is that 6 games on
your schedule are guaranteed to be a grudge match and everyone beats up on one
another.

EVERY team has a heated rivalry with EVERY other team. As a Browns fan living
in Cincinnati, I know that both the Bengals and the Browns DETEST every other
AFC Central team (including each other). I'm sure Pittsburgh and Houston feel
the same.

Go Browns ;-)

Bruce

    Yes, Bruce, but in Pittsburgh this year, Houston won't be as easy to
    hate now that Glanville got ousted.  It will be like the post-Bum
    Phillips years.  Though that's not to say Houston will become a patsy.
    
    	--dan'l

    Don't fret dan'l ... when the Steeler fans turn up thr heat on Noll for
    his incompetence, he'll whine about Pardee, just like he whined about
    Glanville when the Oilers was applying those bi-seasonal a**-whippings.
    
    heh heh heh ...

    
    Now, lets get things straight.....
    
    The Steelers didn't beat the Browns last year...the Browns gave
    them the game!  The Browns had 7 turnovers in that game and to
    only loose by that spread certainly showes me that the Steelers
    didn't take it to Cleveland!  The Browns gave them the game!
    
    		And thats a fact!!!
    
    The Browns to dominate in the Dawg House!
    
    
    	WOOF!	WOOF!	WOOF!

    RE: .432
    
    To use the words "incompetence" and "Noll" in the same sentence shows
    your lack of knowledge and your intense jealosy, oh ye of no
    championship rings.  However, I will be the first to admit that Noll
    was wrong in challenging Glanville.  He shouldn't have done it.  Noll
    should know by now how to lose like a gentleman.  But he has his
    personality as do we all.  
    
    22 years at the helm of one of the greatest franchises ever, though,
    says something about your "incompetence" remark.  Let's see, how many
    coaches have the Oilers had while Noll was at Pittsburgh?  I count five
    who couldn't beat the man.  Still want to talk incompetence?
    
    RE: .433
    
    Mr. Moderator, please mark .433 as typical Cleveland fan drivel.
    
    Amazing how Hal's mind works. (Was that a contradiction?)  Steelers
    turn the ball over eight times (I think, it may have been more) in the
    51-0 opener and to him and everybody else (including myself) the Browns
    destroyed the Steelers.
    
    Browns turn the ball over 7 times in the second game, but does he give
    Pittburgh credit for a win.  No, Cleveland gave them the game.  As if
    all Pittsburgh had to do was show up.  Hey Hal, something had to cause
    those turnovers and the only other excuse you have besides the Steelers
    is the Vasaline on Kosar's hands.
    
    	--dan'l

    Whatever would Bernie being doing with Vasoline in his hands ???
    
    Hmmmm .......
    
    re Noll,
    
    dan'l you started it .... of course I know that Chuckie will wind up in
    the HoF for his accomplishments. But between 1985-88, the Steelers ave
    been mediocre at best, and some of the fans had been calling for his
    head. IMO, he seized on Glanville as a scapegoat to deflect the heat.
    
    Noll is not the classiest of losers - but to his credit he doesn't lose
    often, hence it doesn't show a lot.
    
    But it is there (remember the "Criminal Element" garbage of the 70's ?
    Was John Madden as tacky as Glanville ?), and when Pardee applys the
    hammer to him this year, Noll will find a scapegoat. So will ole Wicky
    Wacky Wyche of the Bungles.
    
    Fotrunately, Pardee isn't that big of a target, unlike Glanville....
    
    Doc

    I started it?
    
>      <<< Note 18.431 by SHALOT::MEDVID "She's not a surfboard anymore" >>>
>      -< Noll and Pardee in the parking lot - it just don't sound right >-
>
>    Yes, Bruce, but in Pittsburgh this year, Houston won't be as easy to
>    hate now that Glanville got ousted.  It will be like the post-Bum
>    Phillips years.  Though that's not to say Houston will become a patsy.
>    
>    	--dan'l
    
    What, in that reply, started something?  
    
    Fact: Chuck Noll and the people of Pittsburgh (.et .al) hated
    Glanville.  
    
    Fact: Pittsburgh hated (and laughed at) Bum, and when they
    canned him, it just wasn't the same.
    
    Fact: Houston will not rollover and die like they did between Bum and
    Gerry.
    
    Then all of a sudden you come in calling Noll incompetent.  Not a fact. 
    Noll occasionally loses his cool, but sometimes he has underlying
    motives.  Crazy like a fox he is.  And he attibutes a lot of this to
    his mentor, Mr. Brown.
    
    Oh well, it's Friday and it's football season.  That's enough excuse
    for any irrational behavior.
    
    Have a good one ya'll dudes!
    
    	--dan'l
    

Well, you can blame it on me too. I asked the innocuous question about the 51-0
drubbing and Pittsburgh's revenge.

I agree Dan'l, Houston without Glanville will be harder to hate. With Noll, you
hate him because his teams (for the most part) have been so damn good, you get
sick of your team getting its butt beat. With Wyche, he is so off the wall, you
almost feel sorry for the bozo. But someone like Glanville who *truly* is a
jerk and an idiot, it just makes it all the more sweet when your team
*destroys* them.

Bruce

    
    FACT - Houston Oilers have never won an AFC Central Division title,
    although they've choked 2 of the past 3 years...!
    

    Fact - Browns have won the AFC Central Division title, but have NEVER
    made it to the Super Bowl
    
    But then again when was the last time a team from Cleveland has been 
    to the BIG game?
    
    

    
    FACT - The Browns will make the playoffs again in 1990... how do I
    know?  They have the greatest success in making it into the playoffs
    of any team in the NFL!  FACT!
    
    
    FACT - Browns 13
           Losers  3

    I thought the Raiders held that distinction.  Are you sure?
    
    Maybe it's more like Cleveland has the greatest success in making it to
    the playoffs and then choking on their bones.  FACT!
    
    	--dan'l

    I would hope they have the greatest success in making the playoffs
    because they are one of the original teams. FACT.
    
    

    
    Greatest success as in highest percentage of seasons making the
    playoffs... and yes, its the Browns not the Raiders... I'll check
    and post the data tomorrow...

    Anyone have an update on the Steeler player who was carried off the
    field just before halftime?
    
    
    py

    Re .443
    
    Please post how many years the teams have been in the league.
    
    Thanks

    Browns have been active for 44 years, including their 4 AAFC years and
    made the playoffs 1946-1955, 1957, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969,
    1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987 and 1989 (off the top of my head) for
    23/44 or slightly over 50%.  This is their 45th season.  Browns win 4
    AAFC titles and 4 NFL titles.
    
    The Raiders have been active for 30 years, including their AFL years,
    and made the playoffs I think every year from 1967-1985, minus 1978 and
    maybe one or two others.  If that's correct then that's 19 years out of
    30, or close to two thirds.  Raiders win 1 AFL title and 3 NFL titles.
    
    I can look it up tonight too.
    
    John

    re.444
    Thomas Everett suffered a laceration of the forehead and a concussion.
    He rode back to Pgh last night on the team bus and spent the night in a
    local hospital for observation.
    
    
    Defense looked great yesterday, Steeler O never showed up.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    BTW,
    
    If I have to watch Bubby's Mudder after every play this year, I'm going
    to root for a real team like the patsies!!!!!!!!!1
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Living in Texas I never really saw Walton when he coached the Jets, so
    all the jokes about him picking his nose didn't really mean anything.
    Now I moved to MA and in first NFL game here incredibly I see Walton on
    the Steelers sideline picking his nose.  What's with this guy anyway,
    doesn't he get embaressed ?
    
    

    
    	Bubble's Mom and Dad...I thought it was funny as heck.  She
    didn't know if she should sit or stand.  I don't think she had any
    finger nails left either.  Welcome to the AFC Central Bubble Butt!
    
    	Bubble Butt is probably the most over rated QB in the NFL! 
    
    	Did he ever go to acting school???
    
    
    	The Leader of the Pack..
    
    		WOOFMAN

    I was slightly off.  The Browns have made the playoffs 25 of their 44
    years, for 56.8%.  They made it in 1946-1955 (4 AAFC titles, 3 NFL
    titles), 1957, 1964, 1965, 1967-69, 1971, 1972, 1980, 1982 and 1985-89.
    Their other title was in 1964.
    
    The Raiders made it 15 of their 30 years for an even 50%.  Their years
    are 1967-1970 (1 AFL title), 1972-77 (1 NFL title), 1980 (won NFL
    title), 1982-1985 (1 NFL title).
    
    The Browns are not an original NFL team since they've been in the NFL
    only since 1950 and only in existence since 1946.  I didn't go back to
    look it up, but I would have to say they have a higher playoff
    percentage in terms of appearances than any other NFL franchise.  The
    teams older than they are the Bears, who have been in existence since
    the beginning, the Packers, the Cardinals (likewise), Eagles, Steelers,
    Giants (all since the 1920s), Lions (also from the 1920s), Rams, Redskins
    (late 1920s/early 1930s).  The only teams that may be close to the
    Browns would be the Packers and Bears, and then again, you can really
    only count the years since 1933, because the NFL didn't have a playoff
    system until then.  The Niners and Browns were both formed at the same
    time.  The Colts were formed in the early fifties, the Cowboys, Vikings
    and the original AFL teams in 1960 and everyone else has been formed
    since then.  The Browns competition would be, besides the Bears and
    Packers, the Raiders, Dolphins and Cowboys.  I'll do more research and
    drop it in later.
    
    John

    bernice is over rated, brister will be back...
    
    
    dinz
    

    When was Brister ever rated highly?  He lead the worst offense in the
    NFL last year and is on his way to doing it again this year.  Anybody
    rating him highly on anything other than emotion and leadership ability
    really doesn't know football too well.  He is a good quarterback and
    may someday be great, but he still has a lot to learn.
    
    Hal, after you talk out of your ass, make sure you wipe.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    re: -2
    
    	Don't you mean, Brister will be *on* his back???
    
    	WOOF!
    

    
    I Believe the Cowboys hold the lead in playoff years vs. years in the
    NFL at something like 60%.  I believe the Bears are also slightly above 
    the Browns..  
    
    I remember seeing this info published in some rag somewhere, but I
    don't quite remember where.  
    
    /Jeff

    I just did some checking.  The Bears have been in the playoffs since
    1933 around 14 times, the Packers 10 and the Giants 18.  Those are all
    still below the Browns' percentages.  None of the older NFL teams is
    even close.  The Dolphins are the only ones who can give the Cowboys,
    Browns and Raiders a run for their money, and they are probably also
    only around 50%.  They were consistently in through the seventies,
    missing once or twice and were in through the early eighties, up
    through 1985.  At most they've been in 14 times which works out to
    58.3%.
    
    John

       According to a story in todays Globe, Punky Brewster is all upset at
    the short passing game installed by new genius Joe 'pick' Walton.
    According to Chuck Noll though, "the player will be gone before the
    coach".
                                    Denny

    Think Bobby Hebert would have a problem with Joe's passing game?

    Cowboys have been in 18 times in 30 years, 60%.  Then comes the Browns.
    The Dolphins and Raiders have each been in 50% of the time, Raiders
    15/30 and Dolphins 12/24.  No one else is really close.
    
    Then again, it's biased towards newer and successful teams anyway
    because they have a smaller base to work with.
    
    John

    You know, I never really appreicated this nose-picking business about
    Joe Walton. I thought (in true SPORTS fashion) Joe was caught in the
    act once, and you guys blew it out of proportion.
    
    Then I saw him against the Browns. My God !
    
    Do you think Jimmy Hoffa might be in there ?

    Joe Walton is an amateur nose-picker in comparison to Neil Bush.  You
    wanna talk "digging for gold", man, this guy thought he had Fort Knox
    hidden away in his cranium!
    
    Hawk

Hawk, send me femail ;^)

You guys can have Bush and Walton.  From what I heard, Sen. Alan
Cranston was harvesting some pretty big oysters last night during
President Bush's speech.

Also, the guy on In Living Color who does "This Old Box" must be
doing a pretty good job, if he's using it for adhesive on his
boxes....8^)

'Saw

    
    Hawk, send me femail ;^)

    What would the Lynne say?  Maybe there is hope for Lefevelour....

    Hey, stop all this talk about nose-picking, its lunchtime, but then
    again the local cafeteria is a reason to quit eating.

    Brister retracted his statements about Joe Walton's offense being to
    blame.  He got the classic Noll treatment right before he did this. 
    Noll said if the QB can't work the offense, we'll change the QB, not
    the offense.
    
    Sounds like Bubby is smarter than Bradshaw in dealing with Noll. 
    
    	--dan'l

re .463:

Actually, Walt, that situation is getting better all the time. 

The nice part about having rugby games in the Boston area is that
there's more opportunity to see her, since I have to be up that
way anyway....  

I'll keep ya posted ;^)

'Saw

    	Get this rugby talk out of the PittsburgH Steelers note!

    Pittsburgh's offense still hasn't scored a touchdown.  
    
    Walton has got to go.  He has three...no four...really good running
    backs: Merril Hoge, Tim Worley, Warren Williams, and future star Barry
    Foster.  All preseason they ran the ball down other teams' throats and
    looked terrific.  The season starts and they pass on first down, run
    for two or three yards on second, and pass again on third.  I just don't
    get it.  
    
    Houston looked really bad.  When Moon was on, his receivers dropped the
    ball.  When Moon was off, his receivers were the Steelers.  I especially
    liked the pass off of Givins' butt to David Johnson for a Steelers TD.
    
    The officials handed the Oilers their only touchdown.  The unnecessary
    roughness call on Rod Woodson was bogus; most defensive players get
    away with a lot worse.  We didn't see a replay of the pass interference
    call.  And then to throw Lloyd out of the game for a tantrum was a real
    hose job.  What Lloyd did wasn't right, but 1) I don't think it was a
    TD either, 2) I've seen players do a lot worse and not get tossed, 3)
    the defense was pissed as hell about the way the game was being called.
    
    But that only fired up Woodson.  I've got to say he is one of the best
    players in the NFL today.  I have never seen a better tackler since
    Jack Ham.  How about that one on 4th down at the end of the game!
    
    And did anyone catch toward the end of the first half where he whipped
    an Oiler receiver out of bounds and turned to that same official?
    You can tell exactly what he said, "Why don't you throw a flag on that
    one too."  The official gave him a mouthful, but Woodson got the best
    of him.
    
    Before you go accusing me of sounding like Hal, no, I am not proud of
    the Steelers' effort.  The offense stinks and the pass rush could be
    better.  Thank goodness for a great secondary (even the backups are
    great) and Gary Anderson.
    
    	--dan'l
    
    PS: TNT needs to get it's sh!t together.  Skip Carey belongs in
    baseball.  He called the Steelers the Pirates twice last night.  Pat
    Haden is one of the worst color men I've heard.  Never liked him in the
    booth and never will.  He and 2 Live Crew should never be allowed near
    a microphone again.
    
    Nice shots of Pittsburgh during the pregame, though.  It's a beauty of
    a city.

    
    
    	I would basically agree with .469.  I too am wondering why the
    Steeleres have all but abandoned their running game...what, no more
    traps?  
    
    	As for the passing game, I can't help but remember the early
    days of Bradshaw when watching Brister.  Although he is no Bradshaw,
    and never will be, I wonder why he isn't being yanked like Bradshaw
    was.  I would like to see the other QB's get a shot.  I wonder if
    we are headed for another Mark Malone syndrome.  Hayden did say
    one good thing last night and that was about the amount of time
    both teams have had to adjust to their new offense.  What has Bubby
    been doing all this time?  He's had all spring, 6 weeks of training
    camp with 4 pre-season games, plus 2 regular season games and he
    still can't get it?  Bradshaw was never THAT dumb!  This guy is
    a REAL Gomer!
    
    	Basically, the Steelers looked horrible.  Absolutely no offense
    at all.  Moon was horrible and so were his receivers.  All in all,
    this game was terrible no matter what team you were rooting for.
    
    							bill..g.

    Ugly - adjective
    
    Webster - 1) Extremely displeasing to the eye
    
    	      2) Ill - tempered
    	     
    	      3) Offensive  !certainly as in offend
    
    	      4) Rough
    
    As much as all of those definitions apply, I love coming out of this
    with a W.  For all the lack of offense and great defense last week the
    steelers lost.  I only saw one preseason game (philly) and the steelers
    looked head and shoulders above thier present performances.  I know it
    was preseason and maybe philly just doesn't have it either(evidenced by
    0-2 record).  
    
    Play selection may have something to do with the failing O but the
    offensive line appeared to do a poor job last night.  The RB's were
    often being hit in the backfield.  Last years offense may not have been a
    sparkling well oiled piece of machinery but it sure looked a whole lot
    better.  I hate to say it but I Joe's offense is committed to, then we
    may have to give Strom a good look.  In the Digest it suggested that he
    grasped the offense preety good.  Bubby still has a little homework,
    scratch that a lot of homework.
    
    The raiders haven't gotten much going on the offensive front either so
    maybe the defense will hold long enough for the O to get started.
    
    Poorly Ref'ed game Sunday.
    
    Well I guess I can be happy with 50-50 weekend,  I am a big Michigan
    Wolverine fan.  They clearly outplayed Notre Dame but lost the bottom
    line.  But that's another note.
    
    Roy L.
    

    re .470:
    
    Who are the Steelers backup QBs?
                                   
    
    py

    The Raiders just going to roll on over the Steelers. 
    Los Angeles Raiders- 28
    Pittsburgh Steelers- 10
    
    The Silver and Black attack is back!!!

    >The Raiders haven't gotten much going on the offensive front either
    >so maybe the defense will hold long enough for the O to get started.
    
    The defense will be old and grey if they 'hold' long enough for
    the offense to get started. :-)  As far as the Raiders offense not
    getting nothin going either, they racked up 326 total yds., 16 1st.
    downs, and 17 pts. this weekend, compared to 124 total yds., 10 1st.
    downs, and 0 pts. for the Steelers. The Raider offense missed the
    first game, but they showed up yesterday, and they'll be ready come
    Sunday. Should be a real good game.
    
    Carlos 
                      

    Rick Strom
    Neil O'Donnell (rookie, Maryland)
    

    I heard one of the local announcer say on tv the other day that the
    raider's road record was better than their home record over the last
    five years.  Somehow that sounds erroneous to me.  I know that the
    current raiders aren't quite the raiders of old(just like the steelers),
    but that appears to totally buck the nfl trend.  Think one exception is
    SF but consider they have lost so few games in recent years.
    
    If it is true I hope the steelers help perpetuate the trend.
    
    Steelers 16(3 fg's, 1 td) Raiders 14(2 td's)
    

    Last year the Raiders were 7-1 at home and only 1 or 2 road victories.
    Granted that is only one year, but I'm fairly certain that they
    have 5 or 6 more victories at home than away in the last 5 years.
    I like your prediction on the score, but it should be 
    16 Pittsburgh(3fgs, 1td) 20 Raiders (2fgs, 2tds)
    
    The Wizard

    You must be assuming the Steelers' TD will be a defensive score.
    
    	--dan'l

    i hope they do score dan, i have them in my FFL. wheres your  faith
    
    man.. bubby and offense will come around
    
    
    Jim
    

    Raiders rip the Steelers 20-3! The Steeler offense still hasn't
    scored a touchdown this season as the Raider defense limited the
    Steelers to a field goal. The Raiders scored two fourth quarter
    touchdowns to extend their lead. 
    
    Carlos

    dan'l, when you get back home, be sure to stop by the Lobster Trap in
    Haverhill on a Monday or Thursday night with those pics.  I'll have a
    few cold ones ready for ya.....  :-)
    
    Is this considered not on an "adult level", Karen?  :-)
    
    Hawk

>    James Bond style means I had to be sneaky, not that I bedded these
>    women and then took pics of them.


Sure, dan'l...and I'm Phil Rizzuto with a deal for the Brooklyn
Bridge from the Money Store....

Hawk, if Dan'l's pics look like they were posed, you know he's fibbin'!  8^)


hope yer having beaucoup fun!
'Saw

    My trip (among other things) may be extended.  I may spend a week in
    the Turin, Italy office working on some code.  If the ladies in that
    office are as lovely as those who have visited Charlotte or those that
    I saw this weeknd on the Italian coast, it will be difficult to keep my
    mind on the work.
    
    	--dan'l (who wishes he had invested in a camera with a zoom lense)

    After he gets back (if he ever does), I think we'll have to organize a
    few of the guys here in Charlotte to take Medvid out back behind the
    dumpster and beat him upside da haid a few times.
    
    This kind of boondoggling must stop ...
    
    Then again, if you bring back some *good* photos, Dan'l, we'll cut you
    some slack.   Some of them "double" exposure ones, okay ???
    
    Bob Hunt

    HA!  I always knew you were a pervert, Bob!  :-)
    
    Hawk

    You couldn't have known unless *you* were watching, Hawk ...
    
    Peeping Hawk ???
    
    Bob Hunt

    Boondoggle?  Me?  Bob, I'm hurt.  I worked real hard yesterday and
    today delivering this bland training.  And there are no women in the
    class.  If that last factor were different, then I might be inclined to
    call this a boondoggle...but to be stuck in a room all day with a bunch
    of European men is not my idea of a boondoggle.  (Nothing against the
    European men...it's just that after this past weekend, my heterosexual
    tendencies are stronger than ever...Know what I mean?)
    
    Until tomorrow...
    
    	--dan'l
    
    PS: Bob, I looked all over for your request but I guess the riviera is
    too posh.  I'll keep searching though.

    
>>    PS: Bob, I looked all over for your request but I guess the riviera is
>>    too posh.  I'll keep searching though.

Daniel,

What's the request?

Send me mail (ha ha).  I have the feeling it may not be suitable in this
locker room.

rick ellis

    
    Ain't it nice how I worded that to make you all wonder what it is Bob
    Hunt wants from the Riviera?
    
    Hint:  It shakes and entertains you and everyone watching.
    
    See ya.
    
    	--dan'l

    > Hint:  It shakes and entertains you and everyone watching.
    
    One of those little hula girls to stick on your dash and/or rear window
    deck in your car?
    
    Hawk

    	Back to the topic.
    
    	I seriously wonder how long it'll be before Walton is gone.
    	I mean, Pittsburg had a an offense last year. This year, they
    	haven't scored one touchdown, not one.
    
    	If I were one of the "powers that be," Walton would be gone
    	now.
    
    	The team must really be discouraged.
    
    	Scott

    > Hint:  It shakes and entertains you and everyone watching.

	Singing jello?

    I haven't heard any Steelers fans taking a vow of celibacy until Pgh.
    scores any (offensive) touchdowns, like the New Orleans fans did. 
    Unlike the Saints, that would have the potential for a long, lonely
    autumn and winter (and probably through Spring and Summer until next
    Autumn, and ... who knows).

    
    Speaking of Joe Walton and entertaining things, I saw this item at the
    checkout counter of a local store: 
    
    No kidding.  Ya see, it's this plastic nose, and when you press it,
    these little pieces of green bubble gum fall out of the nostrils.  I
    was seriously rollward.  The name of the product is "Pick and Chews."
    Too much!!
    
    Dickster
    

    Are there any rumblings in Pgh about getting rid of Walton?
                    
    I can't imagine this farse going on much longer before Mr. Knoll
    sends some heads rolling.
    
    Bill

    
    	I read in the paper yesteday that there was a Steeler Fan mauled
    	at the Raider game in LA last week.  He is in critical condition.
    	Apparently raider fans were throwing all sort of things ice, 
    	popcorn, beer, etc. at him and somehow he ended up on the ground. 
    	A 19 year old is being charged with assault with a deadly weapon
    	for kicking him in the head.  The paper stated that kicking to the 
    	head make the foot a deadly weapon.
    
    	I've been to Chicago Stadium for Vikes vs Bears game and Fulton
    	County Staduim for N.O. vs Falcon games in which there are always
    	rowdy fans.  There always appears to be a fight or two when fans 
    	get a little over zealous but I haven't heard nor see anyone come
    	close to getting killed.
    
    	By the way what is the climate like in Three Rivers Staduim for a
    	opposing teams fans outside of the AFC central?  I can imagine what
    	its like for a division foe.
    
    Roy L.

    The NFL and local authority has to hit hard in the case of fan violence.
    Monday night Frank pointed out that the crowd was much more behaved
    then their last appearance for a Jets game.  Seems fans were starting
    fires in the stadium. Then there is last year's Cowboys at Philly
    escapade and the Denver at Cleveland fiasco. Three Rivers has been a site
    for potential problems. The fact is, any and all stadiums have
    potential for big problems. 
     
    Control of beer sales and exhibition of large numbers of police and 
    security can help, but it's swift punitive action on offenders that
    sends the clearest of signals.  American football cannot allow 
    uncontroled fan behavior.  Too many lives are at stake.  Events in
    the soccer world show clearly what can happen when crowds turn into
    mobs at sporting events. A 19 year old kicking another fan in the head
    is more than enough spark for a major explosion. He would get little
    sympathy from me.  
    
    BoB

  
>>    	By the way what is the climate like in Three Rivers Staduim for a
>>    	opposing teams fans outside of the AFC central?  I can imagine what
>>    	its like for a division foe.
    
>>    Roy L.
  
    
    Actually it's pretty friendly, in fact the last Steeler game I
    attended, I actually saw a guy offer a fan from Kansas City some
    Kolbasi and cream for his coffee.  
    
    
    JaKe
    
    

    
    I forgot to ask in the last note but what's the deal with Barry Foster,
    is he hurt.  He looked magnificent if the preseason.  While I believe
    Merril Hoge and Tim Worley are good backs, Foster deserves a few
    hand offs in the real season.  The way the offense is going they should
    be exploring every option.  I am adding this no having seen the Raider
    game.
    
    Any offense minded info. getting to local Pittsburgh press?
    
    RE: .498
    You're right about the potential for mob violence at any major event.
    Especially at an event where violent hitting and tackling is promoted. 
    I, being a defensive minded person love to see vicious but clean hit,
    wouldn't began to think I would want to take part in an act such as the 
    European soccer match.
    
    RE: .499
    I'm going to move getting to a Pittsburgh game in Pittsburgh up on my
    list of things to do.  I got beat out by the scabs when the came to
    atlanta a few years back.
    
    Roy L.

    Roy
    
    Foster has been used mainly on special teams so far this year.
    He did drop a pass or 2 also against the Raiders, though.
    
    JaKe
    

    Walton doesn't even use Hoge and Worley.  What reason would he have to
    use Foster.  This offense is a fiasco.
    
    I've never gone to 3 Rivers and not seen a fight.  Of course this was
    baseball, not football, and the fight is usually among Pittsburghers
    themselves when some drunk gets out of step.  What do you expect from a
    town filled with Russians, Ukrainians, and all the other Hunky
    nationalities?  The blood naturally runs hot.  (Ditka for example.) 
    Some of the friendliest people in the world, but don't piss them off.
    
    	--dan'l

 I've been to the Meadowlands 5 times and only once saw a fight, I've been
 to Foxboro roughly 10 times and never have not seen a fight. I also ended
 up in a fight at foxboro cause I had the audacity to root for the Colts
 in the rain as the 18 point underdog Colts beat the Pats. The guy who
 started with me made a big mistake because although it was pretty much
 a draw with the two us getting in some shots his friends decided to jump in.
 Unbeknowst to them I was there with a busload of friends so the odds were
 like 40 on to 8, needless to say we won that one...

 mike

    > .....Hunky nationalities.....
    > Some of the friendliest people in the world, but don't piss 'em off.
    
    Hey, I resemble that remark!
    
    the Mad Hungarian.

    
    I'm a pacifist Western Pa. hunky (Slovak), but I'd agree I'm probably
    in the minority.  When I went back to Pittsburgh last Thanksgiving for
    the Pitt-Penn State game, it was kinda neat seeing people that didn't
    otherwise know each other hugging and celebrating the liberation of
    Czechoslovakia, which had occurred the night before.  You don't see
    that kind of thing too much anymore.  No fighting that day...
    
    As for fan violence at football games, up here in Foxborough the
    Patriots are not permitted to have night games anymore, after
    the much-publicized Monday night game against the Jets in the 
    late-70's in which (I believe) at least one person was stabbed to 
    death.  Even the 4 PM games can get out of hand, as did the season
    opener against the Dolphins this year.  I haven't been back there since
    1988, but unless I had a reserved seat in a friendly season-ticket
    area, I know I'd never bring my kids down there.  Way too risky.  I'm a
    season-ticket holder in the Fenway bleachers, and there's just no
    comparison.
    
    glenn
    

    Our Monday night history was with the Colts in 1972, Jets in 1976,
    Colts in 1978, Steelers in 1979, Broncos in 1980 and Cowboys in 1981. 
    Most of the incidents took place at either the Jets game or the Broncos
    game.  I'm glad we don't have Monday night games, though I'm not glad
    for the reason.
    
    I'm largely immune from what goes on in the stands and parking lots,
    though it's not hard to see what happens.  Our stadium is out in the
    middle of nowhere, there's nothing to do other than sit in the parking
    lots and get tanked and for a Monday night game, people come right
    after work.  If the games were played at 7 (as they are during the
    preseason), there wouldn't be that much of a problem because people
    would come from work, park and go to the game.  The 1PM games are
    largely OK.
    
    I think it's more a function of the stadium location than a function of
    the people.
    
    John

	Mike, I bet you really lost that fight.  8^)  You can't compare
a regular season game at the Medowlands to one at Foxboro.  The Giants
sell out with season tickets every year.  The Pats are lucky to have
25K season ticket holders.  A lot of the folks who go to Patriots games 
go to one maybe two a year.  They get tanked and look for a fight.  If you
own a season ticket and have to see the same people eight times a year
the chances of making an ass out of yourself are less than if it's a one
day affair.  

	The section that Chap and I sit in is maybe at most 25% season
ticket holders, mostly near the front row.  You can tell those who aren't
because they will generally act like an asshole.  The Miami game is a prime
example.  The guys sitting behind us were getting two beers at a time (at
$3.50 a pop) quite frequently.  Late in the game they threw a cup full of
ice at a kid that couldn't have been more than 10 or 11 because he had a
Dan Marino shirt on.  His father (who was about twice the size of any of
them) started to holler at them and they suddenly weren't so macho.  I
was going to take the side of the kid's father if anything broke out.
Most of the people in the section who are season ticket holders haven't
caused any trouble yet, and I would be surprised if any of them did.

				/Don

       Same in my section /Don. We seem to get a lot of fans of the
    visiting team for some reason. It's just good natured kidding though.
    Never had a fight in good ol' 222.
                                           Denny

    
    Roy L.
    
    	I saw the film clip of the Steeler fan at the LA coliseum.  He
    	was down in front with an issue of SI that had a full page picture
    	of Bubby Brister.  He walked back and forth in front of the crowd
    	holding up the picture of Brister.  Debris was raining on him.  The
    	film clip didn't show the assault but it did show him unconscious
    	and the police hauling away the guy who assaulted him.
    
    Mikey C.,
    
    	You rabble rouser you!
    
    Claybone

But Don I wasn't making any comparisions just stating facts ;^)

While you're incorrect about the fight, you are correct that it isn't a fair
comparsions because of the sellouts vs. the nots.

the game I talked about was 78 thanks John...

mike
    
    

    re: fan violence
    
    The LA "fan" arrested for kicking the guy in the head or whatever was
    just emulating his Raider idols (Atkinson, Tatum, and Hayes); once he's
    bailed out he'll probably get an offer as a Raider DB.
    
    Also...despite Mile High's reputation, especially in the South Stands,
    I was really surprised when I went to the Denver-Pgh. playoff game last
    year that there weren't any noticeable incidents, particularly with as
    many Steeler fans there and while Denver was losing for most of the
    game.  In our section, at least, the Denver fans were reasonably
    cordial.

    re .512
    
    I assume your 'emulating his Raider idols' line was an attempt at
    humour.
    
    I haven't read or seen anything about this incident - but what is
    the whole story.  Does this incident automatically make every Raider
    fan a cold-blooded killer?  
    
    I'd venture a guess that there's been fights between fans at sporting
    events since Athens played Sparta for  the All-Greece Champeenship.
    
    JD

    Yo Jd. Carthage beat Athens 41-6 in the semi's so u is wrong. 

    I went to the Pats-Oilers game last year, and I saw the police go after
    people without any hesitation, but you'll still have to have fans act
    as their own policemen. Late in the ballgame these two jerks were
    throwing cups, and they had pointed edges. One caught me in the eye,
    and hurt like hell. I ha d a fair idea of who it was, and being in plenty
    of pain (fortunately, it passed quickly), invited the S.O.B. who threw
    it to come on down so I could, uh, "express my gratitude" (KG).
    
    No more cup, ice, or anything throwing after that...
    
    As for the tailgate parties, that was a blast.

    
    From The Atlanta Journal Constitution Thursday 27, 1990.
    
    Former Georgia running back Tim Worley has requested a trade, but was
    turned down by Pittsburgh Steelers president Dan Rooney.
    
    Worley asked for the trade through his agent, Harold "DOC" Daniels,
    after he carried only three times for 8 yards in the Steelers' 20-3
    loss Sunday to the Raiders.
    
    "It's in ome and out the other," Rooney said. "We're not even giving
    that any thought at all.  We want to get Tim playing , get him in the
    game and get him gaining 100 yards a game.  That's our goal."
    **********************************************************************
    
    Is he kidding ??? If there ever was or will be a running offense it
    will be in Pittsburgh.  I should temper that with as long as Knoll is
    there.  Granted atheletes do a "different" type of job, but isn't one
    game of under use being a short sighted.  I only pray that one day a week
    I was underused on my job.  I guess he could actually be making a
    statement of frustration to the offensive line for not having any holes
    the first three games.
    
    Roy L.

    I have attended many games at Mile-Hi and have yet to see any 
    disturbance. The crowd mood has not been the best after some
    games but still not much trouble. Fans of any team visiting are 
    regularly seen in fact the Raiders' fans were in large number 
    last season. Of course most of them snuck out after 3rd qtr.
    Most everybody is a season ticket holder though.  Everybody gets
    carded for beer sales even if your 50 and beer is cutoff after
    the 3rd quarter. There are a lot of cops around. 
    
    BoB
    

    	Get a life Steven, Athens won fair and square.

    THE STEELERS OFFENSE SSSSSSSUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
    
    Somebody should take J_e "Where's the 'O'" Walton and his suck a$$
    offensive scheme and his bull$hit play calling, dump them in some
    cement and lay him to rest at the bottom of the Allegheny River beside
    3 Rivers Stadium.  The guy has outlived his usefullness in Pittsburgh
    already.  He Stinks.  Oh Christ, I'm starting to sound like Wardle,
    sorry.
    
    nevermind
    
    JaKe
    

    
    
    	The only thing worse than being a Steeler fan right now is that
    I am living in New England and am forced to watch the other circus,
    namely the Patriots!
    
    	Walton's offense can't be that difficult to learn, although
    at this point, it doesn't look promising.
    
    	As for Brister, I wonder if Bradshaw has called him up and said,
    "how does it feel?"  As I was watching the game yesterday, I couldn't
    help but think of the good 'ole days when the fans used to boo Terry,
    but at least Bradshaw as smart or dumb enough to at least run the
    ball when he was in trouble.  But poor Bubby, another Mark Malone
    clone!  I just hope they don't stick with him as long as they did
    with Malone!
    
    	Hey, I rather see them run the ball for 3 yards and a cloud
    of dust then to try and execute this one run, one pass, then get
    sacked on 3rd and 10 stuff!  What happened to the old Pittsburgh
    trap!  They never trap anymore, and that was their trademark...
    
    	Best stat of the weekend:  
    
    	Pittsburgh Pirates offense in last 4 games.....19 points/runs
    	Pittsburgh Steelers offense in last 4 games....18 points
    
    			
    							bill..g.
    

       Miami                                            Pittsburgh
        20                 First Downs                       8
	42-122		   Rushes-yards			     14-41
        202                Passing yards                     119
	18-29-1		   Comp-Att-Int			     12-25-3
	1-4		   Sacks/yds lost		     5-33
        5-34		   Punts			     5-41
	1-0		   Fumbles-lost			     1-0
        5-40		   Penalties/yards		     5-50
        39:46              Time of Possession                20:14


Individual stats
Rushing,Miami:  S. Smith 20-48, Logan 8-36, Paige 5-10, Marino 1-9
                Stradford 2-9, Secules 3-5, Higgs 2-4, Jensen 1-1.

   Pittsburgh:  Hoge 6-21, Worley 5-11, Brister 1-7, Strom 2-2.

Passing:

	Miami: Marino 17-28-1-175yds, Jensen 1-1-0-31

   Pittsburgh: Brister 7-18-3-76yds, Strom 5-7-0-76yds.


Recieving:
	Miami: Paige 6-36, Clayton 3-51, Duper 2-26, Jensen 2-22, stadford 2-14
	       Edmunds 1-31, Martin 1-16, A. Brown 1-10.

   Pittsburgh: Lipps 4-64, Hill 2-36, Hoge 2-16, Mularkey 2-15, Stone 1-11,
               Bell 1-10.

JaKe

    28-6, Miami won.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Wait one minute!
    
    What's all this Bubby bashing?
    
    This is the same guy who last year woke up a dead team and lead them
    within two minutes of the championship game.  Now I haven't seen the
    last few games, but to me it seems the whole offense is stagnant, not
    just the QB.
    
    I said it over in the Patriots note: Joe Walton has tried to fix what
    was not broken.  To use two powerful backs like Worley and Hoge as
    little as the stats show...and to not use Barry Foster hardly at
    all...what is going through Walton's mind?
    
    Brister was the lifeblood of the team last year.  This year, it is a
    difficult job when you've got a coach on the sideline who keeps pulling
    the plug on the life support machine.
    
    The Steelers are in serious trouble, and to point at any one player on
    the offense is not correct.  Something is wrong with the total
    offensive scheme...and we all know who's in charge of that.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    	Joe's the problem!
    
    B.A.

    You mean "J_e".

    RE: 18.527 by AIMHI::DONNELLY
    
    Why is Joe Walton on the "hot seat" in Pittsburgh ???   Hey, I 
    know he's the offensive co-ordinator but last time I checked, 
    Chuck Noll is still the head coach.
    
    Noll pre-dates the use of Offensive Co-ords.  Therefore, you 
    can't use the argument that he doesn't know "offense".
    
    Walton is his assistant. Noll can override him if he wants to.  
    Evidently, he must not want to.
    
    Bob Hunt

 Perhaps Bob, it goes back to when Noll quit over his assistants and then
 returned and did what upper level management wanted. Maybe they wanted
 Walton and Noll is letting them suffer with his inadequacies. If Noll
 himself wanted Walton then what can you say except Noll has always been one
 stubborn SOB.......

 mike

    Hey PittsburgH.....
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA(tm)
    
    JoJ

    RE: back a few
         
         I never said Walton was on the hotseat.  I don't know how Steeler
    mgmt feels about him - or how Noll feels about him.  I do have a pretty 
    good idea how most of the fans feel about him, though.  
    
         Walton's job is to put some points up on the board.  So far, he hasn't
    done it.

    JaKe 
    Thanks a bunch for the stats on the Steelers' last game.  That is
    exactly the kind of thing I'd like to see more of in here.
    
    re: the last few..
    
    Get J_e _ut _f Pgh!  Remember Brister is n_t making the play selecti_ns
    that's the _ffensive c__rdinat_r's j_b.
    
    Beat 'em Bucs
    Bill

    ***personal name sung to the tune of Neil Young's "Ohio"!!!!!
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Bubee briztr iz slee ping at 3 rivrs stadeeyum.  Tha reezon, sumbudee
    paanted gole poasts on his haus an he cant git within tenn yards
    uv tha plase.
    
    medammit
    

    Other than Gary Anderson, if someone were to ask me who the three most
    important members of the Steelers are, I would say:
    
    	- Bubby Brister
    	- Rod Woodson
    	- Tim Woorley
    
    All three were hurt in yesterday's game against San Diego.  Rick Strom
    is an able backup for Brister.  The Steelers secondary didn't seem to
    lose a step without Woodson, though the special teams seemed to suffer
    a bit.  Pittsburgh has quality running backs sitting on the bench.
    
    So three of the stars were hurt and the supporting cast was able to
    make a good showing.  Not bad.  Still, if these injuries are serious,
    Pittsburgh may be in deep doodoo.
    
    	--dan'l

    What's wr?ng with W??ds?n?  H?w l?ng is he ?ut?

    I think that after this weekend the offensive coordinators name
    should be changed from J_e Walt_n (no o) to JoE WALToN (little o)

    The Pittsburgh Press today reports that Tim Worley's ankle injury may
    be the most serious injury suffered by a Steeler yesterday.  He's
    already listed as "doubtful" for the Denver game.  Brister's rib injury
    is not thought to be serious enuf to keep him out of the Denver game.
    
    Rod Woodson's bruised right thigh is also, as Noll put it, Nothing
    catastrophic.  He is expected to play against Denver also.
    
    The Chargers missed something in yesterday's game that could have
    helped them immensely.  That is that along with Woodson getting hurt, 
    free safety Thomas Everett(strained lower back) and backup safety Larry
    Griggin both went down to injuries in the early part of the 2nd
    quarter, leaving the Steelers with only 4 healthy defensive backs to
    play and the Steelers were covering receivers with linebackers at one
    point in the game.  Had the Chargers thrown in 4 wide receivers, they
    may have been able to eat the Steeler secondary alive.  Dwayne
    Woodruff, subbing for Woodson, intercepted 2 passes.
    
    JaKe
    

Here are the stats from the Steeler-Charger game:
    
    
    
Scoring Summary

San Diego           7      0      7      0    -- 14
Pittsburgh          3      14     7      12   -- 36

Pit--FG Anderson 45yds
SD--Plummer 2yd pass from Tolliver(Camey pat)
Pit--Green 8 yd pass from Brister(Anderson pat)
Pit--Green 1 yd pass from Brister(Anderson kick)
Pit--Williams 2 yd run(Anderson pat)
SD--LMiller fumble recovery in end zone(Camey pat)
Pit--Safety, Stowe blocked punt out of end zone
Pit--FG Anderson 45yds
Pit--Foster 2yd run (Anderson pat)

Team Stats

San Diego                                                      STEELERS
14			First Downs				25
16-92			Rushes/yds				40-185
96			Passing Yds				192
11-29-3			Comp-Att-Int				18-25-0
3-25			Sacked/yards lost			2-9
4-26			Punts					2-37
1-0			Fumbles-lost				2-1
5-35			Penalties-yds				7-39
20:53			Time of Possession			39:07

INDIVIDUAL STATS
Rushing:
SAN DIEGO: Butts 9-55, Bernstine 4-28, Nelson 2-9, Wilson 1-0.
STEELERS: Hoge 16-78, Worley 9-41, W.Williams 9-37, Foster 5-23, Brister 1-6.

Passing:
SAN DIEGO: Tolliver 11-29 121 yds 3ints 1td.
STEELERS:  Brister 11-14 132 yds no ints 2TDs, Strom 7-11 68 yds no int 0tds.

Receiving:
SAN DIEGO: A.Miller 4-40, Wilson 3-28, Early 2-51, Plummer 1-2, Butts 1-0.
STEELERS:  Lipps 4-51, Hoge 4-20, Green 3-22, Stone 2-46, Bell 2-35, Hill 2-22
           Worley 1-4.

Interceptions:
SAN DIEGO: None
STEELERS:  Woodruff 2-51, Lake 1-0.

SACKS:
San Diego: Bayless 1-2, Grossman 1-7.
STEELERS:  Nickerson 1-2, Lloyd 1-12.


JaKe

    
    
    	Not that I'm the biggest Joe Walton fan, but I don't believe
    he is at fault as some would make us believe.  If he was such a
    bad offensive coordinator with the Jets, why did the Jets average
    21 points a game over this career.  Over the same period of time,
    the 49'ers only averaged 24 a game.  That's not a big difference,
    at least not a huge gap that you would expect from an offensive
    dork!
    
    							bill..g.
    

    
    I tend to agree that JoE's particular offense probably is an offense that
    can score points with specific tools.  I knock on him is that he should
    look at the good ground work that was already layed in Pittsburg.  The
    offensive lineman had the trap blocking schemes down to a science at
    the end of last year,  he has execellent backs for that type of running
    game, and level of comfort with those types of plays.  Yes, the
    steelers certainly needed to add seriously to the passing game but the
    he doesn't have the tools(scat backs) for the swing pass and 3 - 4 yard
    passes.  
    
    Roy L.

   >Had the Chargers thrown in 4 wide receivers, they
   >may have been able to eat the Steeler secondary alive. 
        
   >JaKe
    
    No way Jake.  The Chargers currently have 2 offensive plays as I've
    said in note 63.  
    
    	1.  Hand off to run (Butts or Bernstine)
    	2.  Go deep to Miller.
    
    The thought of putting in 4 receivers is immeasurably beyond them.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    Okay,  I'll go along and from now on refer to Mr. Walton as JoE, but it
    better continue or he's back to J_e.
    
    Thanks again fo rthe stats, JaKe.
    
    Beat 'em Bucs
    Bill

    Is it my imagination or do the Steelers have the toughest schedule in
    the NFL this year?  I'm not just saying this because of the snail-like
    start the got off to, but it would seem that they play every team who
    made it to the playoffs last year with the rest of the games filled
    with teams with >.500 records.  
    
    I know this sounds like I'm crying in my Terrible Towel, but I'm really
    looking for a real answer to this real question.
    
    Beat 'em Bucs
    Bill

    Yes.  The Steelers schedule was ranked the 2nd toughest in the league
    this year.  I can't remember who was on top, but the percentage point
    difference was very small.
    
    I noted this on the day the schedules were announced.  But that's still
    no excuse for the way they've played this year.
    
    	--dan'l

    Word from Steeler offices is that Tim Worley(sprained ankle) won't play
    but Woodson, Everett, Griffin and Brister all are probable.
    
    JaKe
    

    JaKe, who is straing in place of Worley this week ????

 Should be Foster unless the coaching staff has rocks in their heads...

 Barry Foster.....

mike

    Doc:
    
    Reports today are that Warren Williams will get the starting job but
    Barry Foster will see some playing time also.
    
    JaKe
    

    Seems like the Steelers offense is getting on track after it has been
    simplified a bit.  While I was home this weekend, my dad showed me an
    article in the Pittsburgh Press about how confusing the offense was.
    
    Here is the name of one play:
    
    	Deuce split right tight Z short motion short sprint left 49
    	two hot ace go on two.
    
    Now imagine these ever-so-brilliant athletes hearing that from Walton,
    running it into the huddle, repeating it, then Brister calling it at
    the line.  Right.  Ger real, Joe.
    
    Thank goodness Noll did something.
    
    	--dan'l

I can't imagine having to keep all of that straight in your mind.

On the Wanderers we have some very simple play calls to remember and
even then it gets tough.  You listen to the backs calls as you start
to scrum to know which way the flow goes.  Then there are some
plays which get called on the fly....

But even with those simple names, it's tough to remember EVERYTHING.

I can't see a player, in the few seconds they have, keeping track of
ALL of that play you mentioned.

What ever happened to the simple calls, like "Brown, 35 Trap on three"???

'Saw

   RE: the play call.

   Just the guy bringing it in and Bubble have to be able to remember it.
   As he says it, the rest of the players just have to remember the
   portion that pertains to them, and the snap count.

   Mike JN

    
    
    	I didn't see the game yesterday, but from the highlights and
    the press clippings in the papers, it seems the Steeler's are getting
    untracked.  Granted, 2 wins is not a whole season, but it's a lot
    brighter at the end of the tunnel right now.
    
    	Now we get a break in the schedule....against the 49'ers!  They
    will be tough and it will be a good test to see just how far the
    Steeler's have come.  I remember a couple of years ago that the
    Steeler's upset the 49'ers out there and I believe that was the
    only home loss they had that year.  So, I hope they can continue
    their play and take one from the 49'ers.
    
    							bill..g.
    

  I watched the game yesterday and I'd have to say that this was the best I've
  ever seen Brister play. (although Denver wasn't putting much pressure on
  him). His passes were very accurate and he used almost all of his eligible 
  receiver's. The 91 yard bomb to Stone was picture perfect. The way Eric 
  Green has played the last couple of weeks, he may be in the running for 
  rookie of the year. He's caught every pass I've seen thrown to him including 
  5 TD's. At 280 lbs, he's a big target. I quess Chuck Noll won't be saying
  "Eric who ?" anymore.

  I hope the local Colorado station's televise the Steeler-49'er game.
  I think it will be a good game since the Steeler's appear to be on a roll.

					Keith

    Brister was 21-28, 4 td's and 353 yards yesterday.  It was the best day
    he's had so far, and Chuck Noll, during his Monday news conference,
    said alot of the credit goes to Brister because they let him call his
    own plays for the most part yesterday.  I also noticed him changing the
    plays at the line a few times.
    
    Re Eric Green
    He has dropped only one pass and that was a sure td.  He has caught 7
    passes(I think) and 5 of them have been TD's.
    
    I'll put the stats from the game in later tonite as I've got a few
    things to do first.
    
    Later 
    
    JaKe
    

    Loved the way Bubby shot down a reporter the other day :
    
    Seems that the Steelers will no longer use the messenger system to
    bring in plays. One sportswriter was looking for a scoop (or mud), and
    asked Bubby what the problem was.
    
    Bubby said (an appx.), "Try bringing in
    2-back-split-left-over-brown-right-flood-fullback-screen-X-flood-on-two."
    
    And he said it all in 2 seconds.
    
    Everybody was roooling .... and it illustrated his point perfectly.

        Scoring Summary
                           1        2        3        4        T
        STEELERS           0       14        7       13       34
        Broncos           10        7        0        0       17

        1st Qtr
        Broncos-  Winder 1 yd run(Treadwell kick)
	Broncos-  FG Treadwell 24yd

	2nd Qtr
	STEELERS-  Lipps 6 yd pass from Brister(Anderson kick)
	Broncos-   Sewell 2 yd run(Treadwell kick)
        STEELERS-  Green 3 yd pass from Brister(Anderson kick)

	3rd Qtr
	STEELERS-  Hoge 6 yd run(Anderson kick)
	
	4th Qtr
	STEELERS-  Green 10 yd pass from Brister(Anderson kick)
	STEELERS-  Green 3 yd pass from Brister(Anderson kick

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	Broncos						STEELERS

        16			1st Downs		 25
	20-66                  Rushes-Yds		 30-108
	178		       Passing Yds		 343
	17-36-0		       Comp-Att-Int		 21-28-0
	3-16		      Sacks-yds lost             1-10
        2-1                    Fumbles-lost              4-2
        5-48                    Punts                    2-43
        9-68                  Penalties-yds              9-87
        28:33                 Time of Poss               31:27


Individual Stats:
Rushing:
  Broncos:Elway 6-38, Winder 12-19, Bratton 1-7, Sewell 1-2.

  STEELERS:Hoge 18-76, Williams 6-22, Brister 2-7, Foster 2-2, Bell 2-1.

Passing:
  Broncos: Elway 17-36-0 194 yds
  
  STEELERS: Brister 21-28 353 yds, 4Td's

Receiving:
  Broncos: Winder 5-32, Sewell 3-26, Jackson 2-64, Bratton 2-12, Young 1-19,
           Johnson 1-15, Sharpe 1-12, Mobley 1-3, Kay 1-11.

  STEELERS: Lipps 9-141, Green 4-28, Williams 3-34, Mularkey 2-33, Calloway
            2-27, Stone 1-90.


JaKe

    Some random rambling on the Steelers.
    
    First, how does a team play 4 games without getting close to scoring an
    offensive TD and then score 9, count 'em 9, Td's in 2 weeks.  Well,
    here's my theory.
    The Pirates were in the thick of a pennant race when the football
    season started.  The Steeler mgmt and the Pirate mgmt made an agreement
    that the Steelers would play horrible so as not to distract the fan
    support away from the Pirates.  Then, once the Bucs were in the
    playoffs, the Steelers started PLAYING for real and have amassed 70
    points in the last 2 weeks.   
    
    Eric Green, the Steeler rookie TE who was a holdout until a couple of
    weeks ago tied for second most TD passes caught in a game yesterday
    with 3 tds.  Chuck Noll had said in August that Green would be of no
    help to the team this year because of his lenghty holdout and couldn't
    pick up the offense unless he were a genius.  Said Noll yesterday, 
    "He's(Green) a genius."
    
    Yesterday was Brister's 3rd career 300 yd game.
    Yesterday was Lipps 16th 100+ yd game.
    
    Dwight Stone said he inadvertently stepped out of bounds on the 4 yd
    line because he lost his sense of where he was on the field.  The play
    covered 90 yards and would have covered 94 had Stone's not stepped out
    of bounds.
    
    
    JaKe
    

>    Chuck Noll had said in August that Green would be of no
>    help to the team this year because of his lenghty holdout and couldn't
>    pick up the offense unless he were a genius.  Said Noll yesterday, 
>    "He's(Green) a genius."
    
    I can see Noll grinning that patented grin of his as he said it too. 
    He's a man of few words, but he knows when and how to eat them too. 
    Classic.
    
>    Dwight Stone said he inadvertently stepped out of bounds on the 4 yd
>    line because he lost his sense of where he was on the field.  
    
    Hope I'm never driving the opposite way on the same street as him.
    
    
    Thanks to Houston's thrashing of Cincinnati:
    
    	- If Cleveland can do the same this weekend, and
    	- New Orleans beats Houston, and 
    	- (the big IF) Pittsburgh beats San Francisco,
    
    there would be a three-way tie for first in the division with
    Cleveland only one game back.
    
    	--dan'l

>>    Thanks to Houston's thrashing of Cincinnati:
    
>>    	- If Cleveland can do the same this weekend, and
>>    	- New Orleans beats Houston, and 
>>    	- (the big IF) Pittsburgh beats San Francisco,
    
    Dan'l, 
    
    The only thing I see wrong with this scenario is Clevescum beating
    SinSinati.  As much as I dislike the Bungles, I hate the
    Brown(spot)s(tm) even worse and do you notice how quiet Hal Whitehair
    is this week after the 'spots lost???  If the Brown(spot)s(tm) were to
    beat the Bungles Hal would be spouting off at how great Bernice is and
    how there's no stopping the 'spots and they are headed for the Super
    Bowl and may never lose a game again until the end of the world and
    even then he'll say they'll be 5 point favorites to beat God.
    
    Let the Bungles beat the spots and may the Steelers play one hell of a
    game and catch the 49ers on a down day.
    
    JaKe
    

1990 Pittsburgh Steeler Stats (thru 6 games)


Game Results

Steelers      	3		Cleveland	13         0-1-0
Steelers	20		Houston		 9    	   1-1-0
Steelers	3		L.A.Raiders	20	   1-2-0
Steelers	6		Miami		28	   1-3-0
Steelers	36		San Diego	14         2-3-0
Steelers 	34		Denver		17	   3-3-0

Team Statistics

					STEELERS	Opponents


Total first Downs			   100		    97
   Rushing				    28		    38
   Passing				    61		    48
   Penalty				    11		    11
   3rd down made/att			 30/76		 31/80
   3rd down pct.			  39.5		  38.8
   4th down pct				  33.3		  50.0

Total Net Yards				  1526		  1496
   Avg per game				 254.3		 249.3
   Total Plays				   347		   364
   Avg. per play			   4.4		   4.1

Net Yards Rushing			   539		   536
   Avg per game				  89.9		  89.3
   Total rushes				   165		   154
   
Net Yards Passing			   987		   960
   Avg per game				 164.5		 160.0
   Sacked/yds lost			21/148		18/113
   Gross yards				  1135		  1073
   Att/comp				161/96		192/92
   Pct Compl				  59.6	          47.9
   Had intercepted			     6		     9

Punts/Average			       30/39.2	       30/39.6
   Net punting average			  36.5		  33.0

Penalties/yards			        50/362		43/327

Fumbles/fumbles lost			  16/6	           6/2

Touchdowns				    11		    12
   Rushing				     3		     7
   Passing				     6               3
   Returns				     2               2


Score By Periods		1	2	3	4	ot	T

STEELERS			13	37	17	35	0	102
Opponents			24	31	22	24	0	101

INDIVIDUAL STATS

Scoring                TD
               RUSH  PASS  RET         PAT     FG     SAFETY       TOTAL POINTS
Anderson        0     0     0         10/10   8/9       0               34
Eric Green      0     5     0           0       0       0               30
Foster		1     0	    0           0       0       0		 6
Hoge		1     0	    0	        0       0       0		 6
Johnson		0     0	    1		0	0 	0		 6
Lipps		0     1	    0		0	0	0		 6
W.Williams	1     0     0 		0	0	0		 6
Woodson		0     0     1		0	0	0		 6
Stowe		0     0     0		0	0	1		 2
STEELERS        3     6     2         10/11   8/9	1	       102
Opponents	7     3	    2	      12/12   5/8       1              101

RUSHING:
		NO.	Yds	Avg	Long	Td
Hoge		77	262	3.4	16	1
Worley		45	143	3.2	15	0
W.Williams	18       63	3.5	 9	1
Foster		 9     	 27	3.0	12	1
Brister		 8	 18	2.3	 7	0
Bell		 4	 17	4.3	12	0
Stryzinski	 1	  9	9.0	 9	0
Strom		 3	  0	0.0	 2	0
STEELERS       165	539	3.3	16	3
Opponents      154	536	3.5	25	7

RECEIVING:
		No.	Yds	Avg	Long	Td
Lipps		25	358	14.3	37	1
Mularkey	17	171	10.1	23	0
Hoge		13	 97	 7.5	15	0
Hill		11	123	11.2	22	0
Green		 7	 50	 7.1	13	5
Stone		 5	161	32.2	90	0
Bell		 5	 60 	15.0	21	0
Calloway	 4	 43	10.8	19	0
Worley		 4	 23	 5.8	 8	0
W.Williams	 3	 34	11.3	13	0
O'Shea		 1	 13	13.0	13	0
Foster		 1	  2	 2.0	 2	0
STEELERS	96     1135	11.8	90	6
Opponents	92     1073	11.7	66	3

PASSING:
		Att	Compl	Yds	Pct	Td	Int
Brister		143	84	991	58.7	6	6
Strom		 18	12	144	66.7	0	0
STEELERS	161	96	1135	59.6	6	6
Opponents	192	92	1073	47.9	3	9

INTERCEPTIONS:
		No.	Yds	Avg.	Long	Td
Woodruff	2	51	25.5	28	0
Griffin		2	15	7.5	15	0
Johnson		1	26	26.0	26	1
Hinkle		1	19	19.0	19	0
A.Jones		1	 3	 3.0	 3	0
Woodson		1	 1	 1.0	 1	0
Lake		1	 0	 0.0	 0	0
STEELERS	9      115	12.8	28	1
Opponents	6	63	10.5	21	0

Punting:
		No	Yds	Avg	Blocked
Stryzinski	30	1175	36.5	0
STEELERS	30	1175	36.5	0
Opponents	30	1189	36.5	1

PUNT RETURNS:
		No. 	Fair Caught	Yds	Avg	Long	Td
Woodson		15	     3		158	10.5	52	1
Hill		 1	     0		 0	0	0	0
STEELERS	16	     3		158	9.9	52	1
Opponents	 6	    16		 59	6.6	39	0

QB SACKS:
		No	
Davidson	3-1/2	
Lloyd		2
Evans		2
Jenkins		2
Nickerson	2
A.Jones		2
Willis		1-1/2
G.Williams	1
J.Williams	1
Lake		1

FUMBLES:
		No.	Lost
Brister		5	2
W.Williams	3	3
Hoge		3	1
Woodson		2	0
Hill		1	0
Strom		1	0
Worley		1	0


JaKe
															
			 		
		

    Well, I'm sure you've all seen the replay of my favorite Steelers
    rookie Barry Foster just letting that kickoff bounce once, twice, three
    times..."Oh, am I supposed to get that?"
    
    Good going, Barry.  Nice way to forget something most 5 year olds know. 
    I would have loved to have known what you were saying on the sidelines
    to your fellow players and coach.  I can't even fathom an excuse.
    
    It was a close game between the 49er's and the Steelers until that. 
    Then the Steelers gave the ball away twice down by the goal line and it
    was over.  Guess that will drop the defense out of its first place AFC
    standing.
    
    Montana is the greatest QB ever.  I doubt that the Steelers would have
    won this game anyway the way the SF offense was clicking.  But the
    Steelers certainly didn't help their cause at all.
    
    	--dan'l

    Even if that kickoff Foster treated as a punt were a punt, he still
    should have fielded it since it landed around the 8 yard line!
    
    Foster says in the paper, "I blacked out..."
    
    Uh huh.
    
    	--dan'l

    About 5 or 6 years ago, in a Giants/Rams game, the Rams had a rookie
    kick returner (may have been Ron Brown), who let the opening kickoff
    bounce into the endzone and lay there.  Phil McConkey simply ran
    into the end zone and fell on it.  ThekR for the Rams was amazed.
    
    JD

Dan-l, they'll probably hand on to the ranking as the niners only had to drive
5 and 18 yards for the TD's. I couldn't believe it my jaw hit the floor. Lousy
pass interfence call at the goal line near the end of the first half hurt. Good
reversal on the TD for Bell. Just read the stats and they only allowed Montana
157 yards through the air plus picked him off twice. Montana's lowest ouput for
the season...

mike

    
    
    	Yea, that play didn't help, but the Steeler offense was another
    noshow.  Everytime I get a chance to see the Steeler's play, they
    end up stinking up the joint.  Apart from the two early drives,
    they made a suspect 49'er defense look pretty good.
    
    	The defense was respectable, but I still can't figure out how
    they continually were getting beat on those short patterns.  It's
    one thing to get beat once, but it's quite another thing to get
    beat over and over again.  I would of liked to see them go with
    6-7 defensive backs more instead of the 3-4.  The Steeler linebackers
    have got to be the slowest bunch of clods in the league.  The other
    thing that disturbed me on defense was the fact that they let a
    non-running team run all over them.  It's no mystery this year that
    the 49'ers are having problems running the ball, but again, the
    Steeler's made their "backups" look like allpro's.
    
    	And, once again, I come to my favorite player, Bubby.  I can't
    remember me hating a Pittsburgh athlete more than I hate this guy.
    Why I didn't even hate Mark Malone this much, and he was a real
    zero!  Once again, Bubby couldn't produce a thing in the second
    half.  A couple of times, he could of run and instead he either
    forced the ball, or was sacked.  Walsh said the exact same thing
    I was thinging a couple of times when he stated that Brister was
    hanging on to the ball to long.  This is Bubby's fifth year, and
    he still reminds me of a first year QB.  As for all this talent
    that he is *supposed* to have, I havn't seen it yet!  One decent
    game in 7 does not make a QB!  In the 4th quarter after Foster and
    Bubby had given the game away, why didn't they put in Strom?  Geez,
    give the guy some playing time.  The game was over, and Strom could
    of gotten some valuable experience!
    
    	One last thing that got me wondering and that is Noll.  Has
    he mellowed as the years have gone by?  I remember him reading the
    riot act to to Bradshaw more than once after he made a bonehead
    play.  But in yesterdays game, Brister made a couple of big boners
    and Noll just stands there ever so kind.  Then Foster makes an even
    bigger boner and we don't even see Noll talking to him.  I know
    Noll is Mr. Stoneface, but in the 70's, he chewed out more than
    one player for lackluster play, but now it seems he is content with
    this bunch of overrated misfits.  I just don't see the intensity
    with this team from the top down.  There is no leader on offense
    and there is no leader on defense.  I still think it's going to
    be a looooong year for the Steeler's.

    
    	The steeler defense played too far off the receivers!!!  That
    is	why they lost this game!  Why were they playing 10 yards off
    the wide receivers???  Are they really that slow???
    
    		WOOF!
    

    re .567
    
    Goose, I'm not sure that Noll could do more than Foster did to himself.
    Believe me, making a fool of yourself on national TV (like Foster said
    later) will make 1,000 times the impact that Noll ever could.
    
    Oh, and I hope you didn't get your hopes to high from last year - the
    Steelers are still one or two good drafts away from being a good team
    IMHO. They overachieved last year, but still have a ways to go.
    
    re  .568
    
    Hal, is this your note of the week (assuming that you'll of course be
    silent after the Been-Girls wipe the floor with ya tonight) ?
    
    Doc

    
    
    	I don't disagree with either opinion about Noll yelling at Foster,
    but Noll used to yell at players he thought were screwing up.  One
    of the main reasons why Bradshaw has problems with Noll is the fact
    that Chuck used to ball him out on the sidelines in front of the
    crowd and the TV audience.  Bradshaw has said that it was the most
    humiliating thing ever done to him, and then he admitted that it made
    him a better player over the long haul.  I just don't see Noll doing
    that anymore.
    
    	As for Brister, I don't see him as a leader at all.  He is frank
    and to the point, but after 5 years of *potential*, it's time that
    we should start seeing that potential on the field.  As for Malone,
    I'll give you credit that Brister has better potential, but at this
    point, they are in the same boat as far as I am concerned.  Brister
    has a lot of weapons to use right now and I don't understand how
    a team can cover 4 receivers and a running back without someone
    being open.  If no one is open, then Brister should pack it in and
    haul it for an easy 10.  So far, all I've seen Brister do is stand
    in the pocket and get mashed.  On that 4 and 10 in the 4th yesterday,
    Brister could of run for 20, but he chose to throw long into double
    coverage in the endzone, which was batted down.  To me, that was
    stupid.  With the defense playing deep, he had plenty of running
    room and could of picked up the first down easily.  With 4 and 10,
    why try a 40 yard pass?  Especially when he could of picked it up
    by running for it.
    
    	I just feel Brister is a bum and the Steeler's are wasting these
    years trying to bring out his potential...yuk!  
    
    							bill..g.
    

Steeler VS. 49er stats

Scoring summary

			1	2	3	4	F
STEELERS		7	0	0	0	7
49ers			0	10	10	7	27

STEELERS  Bell 2 yd pass from Brister(Anderson kick)
SF	  FG Cofer 39 yds
SF	  Sherrard 5 yd pass from Montana(Cofer kick)
SF	  FG Cofer 20 yd
SF        Rathman 1 yd run(Cofer kick)
SF	  Rathman 1 yd run(Cofer kick)

Team Stats

STEELERS 						49ers
14			first downs			22
23-97			Rushes/yds			37-150
103			Passing yds			154
13-22-1			Compl-att-int			20-30-2
2-17			Sacked/yds lost			1-3
3-36.7			Punts				1-39
1-1			Fumbles-lost			2-1
5-65			Penalties-yds			6-50
25:44			Time of possession		34:16

INDIVIDUAL STATS

Rushing:
49ers:  Carter 17-90, Sydney 7-31, Rathman 10-27, Montana 2-4, Young 1-
(-3)
STEELERS: Hoge 16-64, Williams 5-30, Brister 2-3.

Passing:
49ers: Montana 20-30-2 157 yds.
STEELERS: Brister 13-22-1 120 yds.

Receiving:
49ers: Carter 7-57, Rathman 6-29, rice 3-31, Sherrard 3-26, Taylor 1-4.
STEELERS: Green 3-37, Hoge 3-34, Stone 3-16, Mularkey 1-16, Lipps 1-11,
          Hill 1-4, Bell 1-4.




JaKe
	

    Chas. Noll said today that the Steeler defensive game plan was to
    keep Montana from connecting with Rice or Taylor for the "BIG" play,
    which they did.  Consider this, the Steelers held Montana to 157 yards
    and Rice (3catches for 31 yards) and Taylor(1 catch for 14 yds) were
    all but invisible.
    
    The turning point of the game, IMHO, was the brain-dead play of Barry
    Foster on letting the kickoff drop and the 49ers recover.  Rod Woodson,
    the Steelers regular kickoff returner, said he was exhausted from the 
    49ers drive(51 yds, 14 plays, 7:54) and therefore the Steelers used
    Dwight Stone and Foster on the kickoff.  Woodson later said the he
    should have been in on the kickoff even though he was tired.  The score
    at the time of the botch-up was 13-7 and three plays later, it was 20-7
    and the wind was out of the Steeler sails.
    
    The defense limited the 49ers to 305 yards total offense, which is 100
    yards under the 'ers average.  The longest pass play for the 49ers was
    19 yards.  
    
    The Steeler offense started out the game looking like they would eat
    the 49er "D" for lunch, only to go flat after the first quarter.
    
    Next week the Steelers return to Monday night football for the first
    time in over 2 years against the Rams in Pittsburgh.
    
    
    JaKe
    

BEYOND THE FINAL SCORE, STEELERS GET ONE TO GROW ON!!!!

(reprinted without permission from The Pittsburgh Press, 10-22-90
 author Bob Smizik)


    San Francisco-By all obvious indications the defeat was thorough and
convincing.  The score did not necessarily indicate a rout, but something close
to it.  The victors had won by 20 points, had scored the final 27 points of the
game and in the final 30 minutes almost totally stifled the loser's offense.

    But the obvious did not tell the full story in the game between the Steelers
and the San Francisco 49ers.  An earnest test of football skills took place
yesterday at Candlestick Park, and the differences in those skills were not as
great as the 27-7 margin in favor of the 49ers would indicate.

    Those quick to dismiss the Steelers on the basis of this defeat are wrong.

    It would be easy to cite the Steelers recent record of offensive ineptitude
and point out how it resurfaced, maybe for good, yesterday.  It would be easy
to point out the Steelers two most recent victories--the ones that inspired so
much hope--might be flukes, the kind of odd victories that often turn up in the
National Football League.

    But that would be unfair.  It would not tell the true story of this team.

    Other than proclaiming the winner and loser, the final score yesterday
proved only one thing, the Steelers are not yet ready for the best team in the
NFL.  It does not prove they will be unable to contest the remainder of the
schedule or that they might not triumph over a large portion of that schedule.

    There were other numbers besides the final score.  Consider:

--Joe Montana, perhaps the greatest quarterback ever and most certainly the
most proficient in the game today, was limited to 157 yards passing.  This is
more that 200 yards BELOW his AVERAGE of 358.4.  And it wasn't that Montana
didn't attempt to defeat the Steelers with passing.  He threw 30 times.  Twenty
were for completions, but most were DINKS.  Montana had been averaging 9 yds
per attempt, yesterday he averaged 5.2 yds.

--Jerry Rice, the Joe Montana of wide receivers, caught 3 balls for 31 yds.  He
had been averaging 7 catches a game for 115 yds.

--For the first 41 minutes of the game, the Steelers played the 49ers even. 
Only in the final 19 minutes, when they made 2 monumental errors that all but
handed the 49ers touchdowns, did the Steelers fall out of the game.

    It was, in short, no game to walk away from in disgust, no game to destroy
confidence, no game to wipe out title hopes.  It was, in fact, a game on which
to build.

    "I really think we came out of here feeling we're a good team even though
we got beat, 27-7," fullback Merril Hoge said.

    Most certainly most of the pluses to build upon were on the defensive side
of the ball.  The limiting of Montana and Rice was a major achievment.  If it 
left room for rookie running back Dexter Carter to excel, so be it.  No one
expected the 49ers to be totally shut down.

    Carter caught 7 passes for 57 yards and ran 17 times for 90 yards.  Those
are admirable numbers, but considering how comparatively unproductive Montana
and Rice were, they were nothing that should embarrass the Steelers' defense.

    The final 2 49er touchdowns were all but given to them.  When rookie
running back Barry Foster forgot the rules and got out of the way of a kickoff
he was expected to field after San Francisco increased its lead to 13-7 late in
the 3rd quarter, the 49ers recovered the free kick on the 5 and scored in 3
plays.  Bubby Brister fumbled on his 17 and the 49ers scored 5 plays later.

    This is not to suggest those plays were freaks that would not happen if
they played again.  in another setting, the 49ers would find another way to
win.  But what those somewhat unusual plays point out is the Steelers are not
that far from being a good team.

    This week, 40 minutes of good football against the best team in the league,
next month maybe 50 and next season--or the season after--maybe 60.

    "You have to be satisfied with some of the things we did," cornerback Rod
Woodson said, "the score didn't indicate it, but we did some good things."

    "I think we learned some things today," Hoge said, "I think this is one of
our most positive games of the year as far as the ones we've lost."
    "The difference between the 49ers and some other teams is the desire and
the attitude of wanting to get it done and hanging in there and continually
getting it done.  We need to learn to do that."

    The teams the Steelers will meet in the next two weeks played each other
yesterday and the Los Angeles Rams, the major dissapointment of the NFL, showed
signs of becoming the team they were expected to be by defeating the Atlanta
Falcons.  Both teams are 2-4 and will play at Three River Stadium.

    "We have to win our next two," Woodson said, "If we do, we're 5-4.  Our
second half of the season is a little easier than the first.  If we come out of
the first half at .500, that would be great."

    Rather than by ruling out such an immediate future for the Steelers,
yesterday's defeat made it more probable.

    "I think we're a better team for this," Hoge said.

   

    
    JaKe
    

    Steeler injuries:
    
    Aaron Jones is out indefinitely with a broken bone in his foot.
    
    John Reinstra is questionable for next Monday night as of today.
    
    Tim Worley is still doubtful.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    At the half Steelers 17, Rams 10.  Offense sparkles one minute and
    looks lousy the next.
    
    JaKe
    

    Steelers crush the LAme Rams 41-10.  
    Record is now 4-4.
    
    
    JaKe
    

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       What's with Joe Walton anyway? Didn't see him diggin' once lasted
    night, and only caught him once against the 9ers. Did he join
    Nostrinonymous?
                                        Denny

 Best sign of the night: The Steel Curtain, Rusted No More!! What a defense..
 Everett kind of looks to me like a Big Bad John clone, All hype and ready
 to cry when things don't go right. Bubby sure looks a lot more relaxed now
 then he did at the begining of the year. I loved it when he missed the TD
 to Stone and he pretended he was shooting a lame duck out of the sky...

 Oh and I just saw Hal, naturally he claims that the Rams handed the game
 to the Steelers. hahhaaaa

 mike

    Morning.
    
         Anyone happen to have the scoring breakdown for last night?
    
         Thx... glen