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Conference 7.286::sports_90

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Created:Thu Dec 14 1989
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328.0. "NFL Rookie of The Year" by CRUISE::JBONIN (John Bonin, U.S. Data Warehouse DBA) Mon Aug 13 1990 15:20

    Who will win NFL rookie of the year honors this year?
    
    
    I'll say that Detroit will have two in a row, Andre Ware.
    
    
    John
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328.1NY JetsTRACTR::KOLADISHMon Aug 13 1990 15:574
    Blair Thomas NY Jets
    
    
    John 
328.2STAR::YANKOWSKASHelp Jane, stop this crazy thing!Mon Aug 13 1990 16:084
    Keith McCants, Tampa Bay
    
    
    py
328.3COBRA::DINSMOREgo tigers!Mon Aug 13 1990 16:332
    rodney  hampton  NY FOOTBALL  GIANTS
    
328.4REFINE::ASHETic tac toe... X and O's...Mon Aug 13 1990 16:411
    These guys have to get in camp first, don't they?
328.5COBRA::DINSMOREgo tigers!Mon Aug 13 1990 16:432
    RODNEY  H.. IS IN..
    
328.6SpindlerSHALOT::MEDVIDstars come down in youMon Aug 13 1990 16:4413
    I'll go with the Det-riot Lions also, but my pick is Mark Spindler who,
    after being shunned in the draft, will show his worth and lead the
    league in tackles and sacks.
    
    I'd like to pick Reggie Rembert, but the Jets don't have anyone to
    throw him the ball.  Pitty.  Blair Thomas will have a Curt Warner-type
    career due to the artificial turf at the Meadowlands.
    
    Also, I predict the trophey will be named the Jeff George Memorial
    Trophy after too many hungry defensive linemen make Jeffy a permanent
    fixture on the Hoosier Dome turf.
    
    	--dan'l
328.7EXIT26::CREWSWhat we have here is failure to communicateMon Aug 13 1990 17:303
    Rodney Hampton NY Gints ...
    
    -- JB
328.8BLKWDO::CUEVASMon Aug 13 1990 18:332
    Johnnie Johnson Rb Cardinals
    
328.9L.T. and the DickSHALOT::MEDVIDstars come down in youTue Aug 14 1990 10:017
    Wait, I change my vote.  I pick either Eric Dickerson or Lawrence
    Taylor.  
    
    Oh, sorry.  They're whining so much, I thought they were babies and
    thus also rookies.
    
    	--dan'l
328.10ELMAGO::CGRIEGOWeSaveBabySealsButKillBabyHumansTue Aug 14 1990 17:234
    
    Aaron Wallace, LB, Raiders
    
    Carlos
328.11BOSOX::KHARRISWed Aug 15 1990 16:166
    re. .8 
    Are you sure you don't mean Anthony Thompson?
    
    My pick is Keith McCants
    
                     Kenn
328.12<Detroit-team of future>TRCO01::AHMEDThu Aug 16 1990 15:557
    
    Andre Ware, Ware? At the podium recieving the ROY trophy.
    
    Jeff George, isn't there a rule against a guy with two first names
    winning.
    
    Naddem
328.13J.J. will prove he's better this year!BLKWDO::CUEVASCincinnati Reds 1990 N.L.ChampionsFri Aug 17 1990 20:5215
    
    
    re. .11
    		First of all, he has to sign. Second, he has to beat
    		out Johnny Johnson from San Jose State who has really
    		showed that he wants to play. We'll see had J.J. fares
    		against the Bears this weekend. 
    
    		As far as Thompson goes, he out to prove his worth first
    		by signing a 1 year contract to prove that he is worth 
    		the bucks he is asking for. Then renegotiate after the 
    		season. The longer he stays out, the harder it's going
    		to beat out a impressive J.J.
    
    		Anthony
328.14Another vote for HamptonBTOVT::TATRO_BMon Aug 20 1990 10:5917
    Rodney Hampton, NY Giants because:
    
    1. He plays behind a big, strong offensive line that could be     
       among the best in the NFL this year.
    
    2. He plays in a conservative offense that loves to rush the 
       football around 40 times a game
    
    3. He is a multi-dimensional player who runs with speed and power,
       has great hands that will be utilized as a reciver out of the 
       backfield and will return kickoffs ( at least early in the season).
    
    4. He will be on national TV @ 8-10 games this season.
    
    5. He plays in the media mecca of America, New York.
    
    -Bart
328.15sometimes you gotta break the rulesGLDOA::STAGGSRather be FishingTue Aug 21 1990 00:569
    If he gets the starting spot, Jeff George could do it hands down,
    especially with a receiving corps of Bill Brooks, Clarence (CNN)
    Verdin, and Stanley Morgan.
    
    
    ( As a die-hard Colts fan, I _had_ to say that!!!!! )
    
    rick
    
328.16oops!!1GLDOA::STAGGSRather be FishingTue Aug 21 1990 00:596
    oops!!!!  for Jeff's receivers, I almost forgot possibly the
    best.....Albert Bentley out of the backfield.....
    
    
    rick
    
328.17 i'll wait....WLDWST::RILUSTRETue Sep 04 1990 12:125
    
         I've got my sights on Jeff Georg, he has the looks of being worth 
    what he is getting but if you guys don't mind I'll wait 'till the 
    middle of the season to predict who's going to be the NFL rookie of the
    year.........
328.18THE SILVER AND BLACK ATTACKWMOIS::E_FASSETTMon Oct 01 1990 17:004
    I"ll second Carlos vote for
    
    AARON WALLACE Linebacker   LOS ANGELES RAIDERS
    
328.19whoa!AIMHI::DONNELLYDare to be diffidentMon Oct 01 1990 17:211
    Carlos picked a Raider?
328.20ELMAGO::CGRIEGOThu Oct 18 1990 13:249
    
    Naturally I picked a Raider...., and it's a good thing too, because
    of all the entries within this topic for rookie of the year, only
    Aaron Wallace LB Raiders and Johnny Johnson RB Cardinals, are among
    the leaders in the NFL at their respective positions. Wallace has
    4 sacks thus far, and Johnson has rushed 93 times for 423-yds averaging
    4.5-yds/carry and has 2 TD's.
    
    Carlos
328.21IAMOK::AHEARNRams vs. Bengals in SB XXVThu Oct 18 1990 13:5515
    Just so there is an entry within this topic with BETTER stats than
    Aaron Wallace, I'll select James Francis.
    
    BTW, I wouldn't consider a player tied for 17th in sacks as 'among the
    leaders'.
    
    Francis is tied for 4th place in sacks with 6.0.
    
    
    
    
    
    HTH,
    
    Nelly
328.22It's still earlySHALOT::MEDVIDGroove is in the HeartThu Oct 18 1990 14:317
    Don't ignore Eric Green of the Steelers.  He's only played two games
    and has caught five TD passes.  If he keeps up this pace, will the
    weeks he held out hurt him in this vote?
    
    How's Spindler doing with Detroit?
    
    	--dan'l
328.23ELMAGO::CGRIEGOThu Oct 18 1990 17:0625
    re. .21
    	
    >BTW, I wouldn't consider a player tied for 17th in sacks as 'among
    >the leaders'.
    
    Sorry Nelly, but he's not tied for 17th, but rather 5th. This is
    the way it goes: 
    There are 3 players tied for 1st with 7 sacks each,
    There are 4 players tied for 2nd with 6 sacks each,  
    There are 5 players tied for 3rd with 5 sacks each,
    There are 4 players tied for 4th with 4.5 sacks each,
    and
    There are 5 players tied for 5th with 4 sacks each.
    
    As far as whether or not you consider them leaders is irrelevent,
    because the NFL rating system considers them leaders and that is
    where I extracted the data from. You picked a good one in Francis, 
    but then again you had the benefit of waiting 'til six games into 
    the season before making your pick.                     
    
    
    Carlos
    
    
    
328.24STARVU::MACGREGORThree time GutterBall champion!!Thu Oct 18 1990 17:366
    
    Sorry Carlos, but Nelly is right.  By your numbers he is ranked
    17th, not 5th.  In other words, there are 16 people above him, it
    doesn't matter that they are tied.
    
    The Wizard
328.25Is the glass half empty or half full?ELMAGO::CGRIEGOFri Oct 19 1990 11:3213
      1st      2nd         3rd            4th            5th
     ______ _________ ______________ _____________ _______________
     1,2,3   4,5,6,7   8,9,10,11,12   13,14,15,16   17,18,19,20,21
                                                             
           OK then Wizard, suppose nobody else gets a sack this weekend
    except Wallace. If he gets .5 of a sack will he then have moved
    up 4 notches to 13th as your logic has it, or would he move up 1
    notch to 4th, the way that I see it. I guess what's throwing me
    off with your's and Nellies logic is that if Wallace is tied for 17th, 
    than who is rated 16th or 15th?????  Are you guys in management
    by any chance?
    
    Carlos
328.26CAM::WAYBeaten like a redheaded stepchild...Fri Oct 19 1990 12:4028
>
>      1st      2nd         3rd            4th            5th
>     ______ _________ ______________ _____________ _______________
>     1,2,3   4,5,6,7   8,9,10,11,12   13,14,15,16   17,18,19,20,21
                                                             
If those were like golf standings or similar standings that I've
seen, this is what it would look like:


	1. Player x (tie)
	1. Player y (tie)
	1. Player z (tie)
        4. Player a (tie)
        4. Plyaer b (tie)
	4. Player c (tie)
	4. Player d (tie)
        8. player e
        8. player f
        8. player g
        8. player h
        8. player i

etc.

It all depends on how you look at it.  If it were golf, the poor unfortunate
saps that won would have to split the pot....

'Saw
328.27IAMOK::AHEARNRams vs. Bengals in SB XXVFri Oct 19 1990 17:1617
    Carlos,
    
    If you think my ROY selection of Week 6 is good, just wait and see how
    much better my choice will be by Week 17!!!!  :^)
    
    BTW, you're begging in your attempt to rank Wallace 5th!!!
    When a guy has 16 people with better stats, how can you (with a
    conscience) rank him 5th?  Now, there's no need to repeat your
    (il)logic.....it made no sense either of the two times you presented
    it!!
    
    Also, I'm not a manager.....nor do I understand the implication.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Nelly
328.28Doesn't take a rocket scientist....IAMOK::AHEARNRams vs. Bengals in SB XXVFri Oct 19 1990 17:229
    RE: .25,
    
    ......I forgot.......if Wallace gets .5 sacks this week with no one
    else getting any, he would have 4.5 sacks, behind 12 other players,
    tying him for 13th in the league.
    
    
    Nelly
    
328.29HOTSHT::SCHNEIDERVoted for whatsisname...Fri Oct 19 1990 17:2510
    >......I forgot.......if Wallace gets .5 sacks this week with no one
    >else getting any, he would have 4.5 sacks, behind 12 other players,
    >tying him for 13th in the league.
    
    No, no, no.  You forgot to apply the RFF (Raider Fan Factor).  If
    Wallace gets a half a sack this week, he immediately is tied for second
    place, even though he's behind 12 other players, some of whom might
    even have more sacks then he.
    
    Dan
328.3017135::CGRIEGOTrust Jesus Mon Oct 22 1990 13:094
    I'll ask again Nellie. If Wallace is tied for 17th, who's rated
    16th or 15th.....?  
    
    Carlos