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297.1 | Let me tell you about my boy....... :-) | SASE::SZABO | The Blues kicked me in the head | Thu Jul 19 1990 15:11 | 28 |
297.2 | | CAM::WAY | For I intend to go in harm's way | Thu Jul 19 1990 15:24 | 17 |
| I don't know much about competitive swimming. I run.
It's really funny though, because while running has tremndously increased
my endurance, I've found that I can't swim worth a damn.
Those competitive swimmers that go out there and swim beaucoup thousands
of yards in practice, to me, are amazing.
Personally, I'd rather run...
Congrats, Hawk, on your kids. I guess they got your wife's genes
afterall 8^) 8^) 8^)
Seriously, that's something to be wicked proud of!
'SAw
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297.4 | | FSHQA1::AWASKOM | | Thu Jul 19 1990 15:46 | 9 |
| Hawk -
Welcome to the wild, wacky world of being parent to a developing
athlete. It carries with it a unique set of joys (and ulcers).
Congrats to your son on his achievement. May he take great joy in the
doing, and respect his opponents - win or lose.
A&W
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297.5 | | SASE::SZABO | The Blues kicked me in the head | Thu Jul 19 1990 15:49 | 21 |
297.6 | | SASE::SZABO | The Blues kicked me in the head | Thu Jul 19 1990 16:00 | 16 |
297.7 | Swimming is for sissies; swimming ain't no sport | 15436::LEFEBVRE | Sleep Keeps Me Awake | Thu Jul 19 1990 16:01 | 2 |
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297.8 | | CAM::WAY | For I intend to go in harm's way | Thu Jul 19 1990 16:11 | 11 |
| Hawk --
I know swimming laps is TOUGH. I'd rather run 5 miles than swim
five laps!
Hawk, at least your sun didn't get outta the pool and pull down his
trunks to clean the water out of them (a la STeve Lyons).
Again, Congrats!!!! No flies on your son!!!! They AR NO TOO BLAM!!!!
'Saw
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297.9 | She also developed some nice Titles (for a sister) | RSST6::RIGGEN | Burley from biking | Thu Jul 19 1990 16:29 | 8 |
| My little sister swam in one of those leagues for the Kids. I called her every
sissy name in the book till she challenged me to a 50M race. I got blown out
of the water. Then she said she'd swim the Breast stroke against me in a 100M
and I could swim any stroke I wanted. You cain guess that I was sucking wind
and she laughed all day
Well she is still a Sissy and throws a softball like a girl, but I won't say
nothing about swimming.
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297.10 | | COBRA::DINSMORE | the Sex Trigger gene.. | Thu Jul 19 1990 16:33 | 4 |
| what size titles? and whats her age jeff?
:))
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297.11 | 1 vote for the sandpaper pillow | BUILD::MORGAN | | Thu Jul 19 1990 16:34 | 2 |
| Have you shaved the kid's head yet, Hawk? You can either do that or
buy a couple sandpaper pillows. HTH. Steve
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297.12 | Waterward! | SASE::SZABO | The Blues kicked me in the head | Thu Jul 19 1990 16:47 | 7 |
297.13 | | SASE::SZABO | Breeder of Olympic Champions! | Thu Jul 19 1990 17:01 | 2 |
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297.14 | | CAM::WAY | For I intend to go in harm's way | Thu Jul 19 1990 17:09 | 8 |
| < Note 297.13 by SASE::SZABO "Breeder of Olympic Champions!" >
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Stud Szabo... I kinda like the sounds of that!
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297.15 | God, just let me make it to the poolside | RONALD::VENDER | | Thu Jul 19 1990 17:10 | 17 |
| It's great to hear that your kids have taken well to swimming. It's a
great sport to get introduced to at an early age. When I was about 9
or 10, I was in a similar program and I remember there were some pretty
tough and very long practices in the mornings.
Last winter, instead of running or using a rowing machine for my
cardio-vascular workout, I decided to head over to the pool and do it
there. Even though I hadn't gone swimming in years. Hell, I was in
shape, right. Holy sh*t, I thought I was going to die after about 10
laps. I was barely able to do my scheduled "light" workout. I can go
out and run pretty good distances, but I'll have to agree with the
other replies, that swimming is a whole different ball game. I too
have a hard time seeing myself ever doing the kind of distance your
kids are doing now(or anytime soon at least). Congrats on their
success, too.
Tom
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297.16 | Swimming is not a Sport for Sissies | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Thu Jul 19 1990 17:21 | 1 |
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297.17 | | 15436::LEFEBVRE | Sleep Keeps Me Awake | Thu Jul 19 1990 17:42 | 8 |
| > < Note 297.16 by FSHQA1::JHENDRY "John Hendry, DTN 292-2170" >
> -< Swimming is not a Sport for Sissies >-
Ninj, clearly you're confusing swimming with Scantily Clad Young
Nubile Judging.
Mark.
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297.18 | | CAM::WAY | For I intend to go in harm's way | Thu Jul 19 1990 17:48 | 13 |
| No, swimming is clearly a very manly sport.
There's a new song by Clarence Carter that's making the rounds
of the clubs down here.. It goes like this...
"I'm strokin' to the east, and I'm strokin' to the west,
and I'm strokin' to the woman, that I love the best,
yeah, I'm strokin'..."
Now, if that isn't a song about the manliness of competitive
swimming, I don't know what is!
'Saw
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297.19 | Wearing mirrored shades helped alot! | SASE::SZABO | Breeder of Olympic Champions! | Thu Jul 19 1990 17:50 | 12 |
297.20 | YMCA here I come... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Bimbo Bowlers from Buffalo | Fri Jul 20 1990 08:52 | 10 |
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Congrats BOC. You should join your kids. I for one much prefer to swim
than run to keep in shape. Basically I start slowly like swimming 1/4
miles evey day for a week, than 1/2 miles the next week and by the
third week I find I can swim a mile without a problem. It's certainly
less strainful and damaging to your legs. I've never swam competitively
but have been itching too. I'm going to wait a few years until I can
swim with the seniors where I might have a chance ;^)....
mike
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297.21 | | CAM::WAY | For I intend to go in harm's way | Fri Jul 20 1990 10:03 | 10 |
| Boy Mike, my hat is off to you. I doubt I could even think about
doing 1/4 mile!
You are right about less strain on the joints, though....
Somewhere I read that running and swimming use mutually exclusive
muscle groups. Any of you physiologists out there care to comment?
'Saw
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297.22 | From one who's been there... | SHALOT::MEDVID | Head Like a Hole | Fri Jul 20 1990 10:08 | 57 |
297.23 | Swimming is great for... | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | Just do it! | Fri Jul 20 1990 10:28 | 14 |
| Saw, you may admire those who can swim lap after lap. Being one
of those lappers, I can't see how you others can run like you do.
I suppose it's whatever tickles your filberts though as once you
get into the stroke of things, you start to get that buzz and feel
like you could go on forever. I have tried running time after time
but just can't deal with it. Even living in Hawaii and running in
the most beautiful surroundings and nicest runs you could imagine
just couldn't keep me going. Now put me in the ocean to swim along
a 2-mile beach, we're talking strokin to da max bra! So my hat's
off to you runners and even more so to you manly triathaloners, now
that masochism at it's best.
Shaka,
Bret
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297.24 | | CAM::WAY | For I intend to go in harm's way | Fri Jul 20 1990 10:44 | 33 |
| Well, Bret, I wish I was a runner extraordinaire like JD, or
some of those triathalon guys.
Right now I'm just a_overweight, 31 year old who feels this crazy
urge to go out at noon on a hot day like today and hear my footsteps
on hot ashpalt. 8^) But about 10 years ago I managed to run a five
minute mile, so that's my goal...to get back that last 10 years
I pissed away drinking all that beer ;^)
Man, the thought of swimming *2 MILES* makes my filberts want to fall off!
AND HAWKSTER, MY OLYMPIC CHAMPION BREEDING FRIEND:
Always remember the immortal words of Bill Cosby.
You have a son. You raise him. You teach him how to
play football. You toughen him up. You take him to
high school football practice, you watch his games.
You still throw the ball around with him, even though he's
gotten so big he could knock you on your butt.
He goes to college. You go to all his games, proud that
he's your son.
Finally, in his senior year, last game, national TV audience
he breaks loose on an 80 yard touchdown run that puts his
team ahead late in the game. As the camera pans to him
on the sideline, he raises his index finger, looks directly
into the lens, and says "Hi Mom".....
'Saw
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297.25 | | SASE::SZABO | Breeder of Olympic Champions! | Fri Jul 20 1990 11:28 | 30 |
297.26 | working on my own solar panel | CNTROL::CHILDS | Bimbo Bowlers from Buffalo | Fri Jul 20 1990 11:55 | 5 |
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Hawk, what are you going to do? Attach some wires to your solar panel
and power your own little TV so you can catch the replays? ;^)
mike
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297.27 | Spot me a mile away! | SASE::SZABO | Breeder of Olympic Champions! | Fri Jul 20 1990 12:04 | 6 |
297.28 | | CAM::WAY | For I intend to go in harm's way | Fri Jul 20 1990 12:21 | 13 |
| Yeah, and hold a sign that says "Raul 16:69".....
For a nominal fee, I think we can get a group of youngsters from
Mefaa to make up a sign, and get them in the stands to hold it up.
And for an even more nominal fee, I'll come with you and yell bad
things about the other swimmers competeting against your daughter....
And, of course, we'll have to participate in the baseball game that
will inevitabley break out in the Men's room.....
8^),
'Saw
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297.29 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | A splinter in the bannister of life | Fri Jul 20 1990 12:38 | 7 |
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-1
Rollin' away, rollin away, 'Saw. Say n'more, say n'more.
Dickster
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297.30 | Some tips | SHALOT::MEDVID | Head Like a Hole | Fri Jul 20 1990 12:53 | 39 |
297.31 | | TOPDWN::METZGER | Head Northwest young man.... | Fri Jul 20 1990 13:04 | 12 |
| Dan'l,
Do you know a swimmer that doesn't have shoulder problems? I was friends with
a few guys in high school that were very good swimmers (2 of them got
scholarships) but both had to retire after a few years of college swimming
due to shoulder injuries that they had through high school but had gotten
worse to the point of needing surgery.
Is it that common an Injury for swimmers ?
John
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297.32 | Injuries | SHALOT::MEDVID | Head Like a Hole | Fri Jul 20 1990 13:21 | 22 |
| The shoulders and back are the most common injury, usually bursitis.
Actually, it's not the sport in general, but the stroke.
I was a butterflyer and my career basically ended after my sophomore
year of college, though I continued to swim in my junior year. My
shoulders just couldn't take the constant rotation. But I was a
freestyler through most of highschool and that's when I first started
having problems. The handpaddles expidited the end of my career.
An additional catalyst to the end was that in college, the events are
longer. There is no such thing as a 100 yard butterfly event like in
high school. Suddenly I was training for and swimming the 200 yard
butterfly (that's 8 lengths butterfly at race speed -- ugh).
The safest strokes are backstroke and breaststroke as far as wear and
tear on the joints, but competitive breaststroke is hell on the
muscles, every one of them. Anyone out there want to build up your
pecs fast? Forget Nautilis and weights. Get in the pool, put a
pull-bouy between your legs and try pulling breaststroke. You'll have
a Shwartzenegger chest in two weeks.
--dan'l
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297.33 | What are handpaddles, dan'l? | SASE::SZABO | Breeder of Olympic Champions! | Fri Jul 20 1990 15:46 | 1 |
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297.34 | | CAM::WAY | For I intend to go in harm's way | Fri Jul 20 1990 15:58 | 10 |
297.35 | I shoulda known better! :-) | SASE::SZABO | Breeder of Olympic Champions! | Fri Jul 20 1990 16:06 | 1 |
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297.36 | Handpaddles, what they are. | SHALOT::MEDVID | Head Like a Hole | Fri Jul 20 1990 16:25 | 19 |
| Handpaddles come in various sizes, shapes, and colors depending on the
manufacturer.
Basically, they are pieces of hand-sized plastic that you slip onto
your hand (via surgical tubing), kind of like a hard-plastic glove.
The object is to create resistance as you pull your arms through the
water. It does help refine your stroke.
However, the trouble lies in the physics of the thing. For every
action, there is an opposite reaction. When you pull through the water
wearing handpaddles, you are forced to apply more pressure with your
shoulders than your hands. In the process of refining your stroke and
building upper-body muscles, the shoulder joints take a real beating.
Beware.
--dan'l
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297.37 | Can't wait to get to the pool! | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | Just do it! | Fri Jul 20 1990 17:39 | 5 |
| Speedo has some new ones that are basically webbed gloves that give
you the workout, but with less wear and tear on your shoulders and
they're much more comfy.
Bret
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297.38 | Long hours but rewarding | GIDDAY::GREAVES | | Mon Jul 23 1990 03:20 | 39 |
|
I thought I'd write and tell you about my two kids who have been
swimming competitivly for the last six years. The eldest one has
started university this year and has now given up, however the youngest
is still at high school and is still as keen as ever.
When they started at ages 10 and 12 they were only swimming once a week
during the summer at an outdoor 50m pool. Then when winter came they
thought they would like to keep going so Dad started taking them about
3 times a week plus competition nights.
To cut a long story short, the youngest who is now 17 is going to 10
sessions a week plus two weights and dry land training sessions. The
swimming sessions start at 5 a.m. till 7.15 a.m. and the afternoon
sessions 5 p.m. till 7.30 p.m. The average session is 7.5 kilometres so
she sees the black line for approximately 75k a week and 20 hours.
However she still loves going maybe because of the rewards, she has
been to every state capital in Australia for national titles,Shanghai
in China with an Australian team,also Hong Kong,and New Zealand. She
would have made the 200m,400m,and 800m finals at the last Commonwealth
games except each country is only allowed 3 swimmers. If she had been
born anywhere else in Commonwealth she would have been there. I think
her next ambition is the world cup in January this is in Perth Australia and
Barcelona '92. I read in one of the previous notes that some guys
managed scholarships to university for swimming is it the same for
girls ?
So if anyone out there is considering showing their kids the nearest
swimming pool, it can lead to many early mornings but they if they stick
to it there are some good rewards. It also has the good results in that
they only watch a minimum of TV, they are off the streets and not
causing any problems.
Regards
Mike
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297.39 | Send her on up! | SHALOT::MEDVID | muscle and hate | Mon Jul 23 1990 10:38 | 9 |
| That's impressive, Mike. We'll be looking for her in '92.
Sounds like your daughter could snatch up a free education in any state
she chooses if you wanted to send her to this country. In fact, most
college swim teams these days have several members from other
countries. When I swam for Ohio, we had six Norwegians and a
Venezulan.
--dan'l
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297.40 | | SASE::SZABO | Got nothing but hell to pay. | Tue Jul 31 1990 14:58 | 13 |
| I kind of have mixed feelings entering this, seeing the true feelings of
many folks concerning the direction of ::SPORTS, but the "proud dad" side
of me overpowered the "the hell with it" side..... :-)
Anyway, my boy was in 2 meets over the weekend, friday night and
saturday morning. Friday's was a make-up from wednesday night's
rainout. Even though our team lost the meet on friday, Steven placed
3rd in the freestyle and another 1st in the backstroke! On saturday,
the team won the meet, as Steven improved in his freestyle to place
2nd, and kept his unbeaten streak alive, placing 1st in the backstroke!
Three meets and 3 1sts!
Hawk
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297.41 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Tue Jul 31 1990 15:28 | 6 |
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Does a swim meet getting rained out sound odd to anyone else but
me?
Dickster
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297.42 | | WMOIS::JBARROWS | In and out of trouble everday | Tue Jul 31 1990 15:30 | 4 |
| Sounds odd only if its an indoor pool....we have a pool at our house
and I won't stay in it if its raining!
Wheel
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297.43 | FYI | PNO::HEISER | when the wild winds blow | Tue Jul 31 1990 15:33 | 10 |
| They had a local 14 year old lady on the radio the other day. She's
supposedly the next wonder and a good bet for a gold in the next
Olympics (has set some records already).
The most interesting part of the interview (to me) is that she said she
started swimming because of her asthma. Her coach said that some of
the best swimmers (i.e., medal winners) are asthmatics. Swimming helps
open up the lungs.
Mike
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297.44 | | SASE::SZABO | Got nothing but hell to pay. | Tue Jul 31 1990 15:52 | 12 |
| Dickster, I was going to comment about the rain-out...... It's an
outdoor pool, actually, they all are in this particular league. The
problem is not so much with the swimmers, but the starter, timers,
organizers, and spectators getting drenched. During daily practice, if
it starts raining, the kids keep swimming and the parents/whoever go
under the picnic area tent to continue gossiping. :-) However, under
the threat of lightening, obviously the pool is cleared (and only the
troublemakers/punks/future junk noters are forced to stay in). :-)
Hope this helps in a sports-related (frank)way! :-)
Hawk
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297.45 | | WMOIS::JBARROWS | In and out of trouble everday | Tue Jul 31 1990 16:00 | 8 |
| Mike,
I have a friend who is asthmatic....when we go to the gym to workout
if she swims too many laps she gets an asthma attack! One time she
left her inhaler in my car!!! Talk about scary! I have printed out
your note, however, and will pass it along to her.
Wheel
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297.46 | | SASE::SZABO | Got nothing but hell to pay. | Tue Jul 31 1990 16:03 | 14 |
| Funny you should mention the asthma, Mike. My son had some nasty bouts
with asthma as an infant and toddler, in and out of the hospital, under
oxygen and mist tents, inhalators, constant medications, you name it.
Fortunately, he grew out of this so-called "Childhood Asthma" at around
3 & 1/2, having been diagnosed with it at <6 months old. We didn't
start him on swim lessons until a year later, at 4 & 1/2, just to make
absolutely sure that he wouldn't get sick again. Two years later, he's
swimming and doing other normal things as if he never had a problem in
the past.......
I have heard of athletes, swimmers and track and field especially, who
suffer(ed) from asthma and still excell.
Hawk
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297.47 | When to start Swimming ?
| RSST6::RIGGEN | Burley from biking | Tue Jul 31 1990 16:27 | 7 |
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My daughter is 3 and she has been playing in the pool since birth. This year she
has started to hold her breath and go under water. At what age can I expect her
to figure out how to really swim. She enjoys playing in the water. How can I
encourage her to start swimming.
Jeff
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297.48 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | Sampson, Wennington, Leckner & Kite ???? | Tue Jul 31 1990 17:07 | 27 |
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I'm not surprised that Swimming helps Asthma. From my experience with
running I would hazard a guess that any sport that gives you a good
cardio-vascular workout could help asthmatics.
I developed allegery-induced asthma starting arround age 26 or so. It
was pretty mild at first, but slowly worsened. At its worst point I was taking
pills twice a day (200 mg Theodur, for you doctors out there :->) and I wouldn't
day go out of the house without a my inhaler. Two years ago, I started running
again (after about a 10 year layoff). The 1st 3 months or so were awful. I
started out by jogging 30 seconds and walking 1 minute. I was so out of breath
after 30 seconds I had to walk. I slowly increased my jogging intervals until
I could jog for 15 minutes straight. Then I got rid of the walking breaks. But
I never would have made it through a 20 minute jog without the inhaler!
Anyway, all of a sudden after about three months the most of my
asthma attacks just stopped. Now I only take my pills when I have a cold (or
I'm confined in a small room with a cat!!!) and the last time I had the
prescription refilled was March!!! I never carry the inhaler running anymore
(it is always in the gym bag though). I'ld encourage anybody with asthma to
start excercising, with their doctor's OK of course (mine encouraged me to try).
Sorry for the diversion from swimming.
JimH
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297.49 | The sooner, the better! | SASE::SZABO | Got nothing but hell to pay. | Tue Jul 31 1990 17:15 | 22 |
| Jeff, call your local YWCA, or whatever organization offers toddler
swim lessons, and ask for the times they give lessons. Stop by and
watch, and I'm sure you'll sign your daughter up for the next session.
My daughter took her 1st lesson at the YWCA at the age of 6 months.
They even allowed younger infants in, but it's the parents who're too
scared! When they're still infants, parents go in the water with them.
The 1st thing we did with our kids was to gently blow in their face,
then dunk them under and let them float up. Although the instructor
assured us that infants have a natural tendancy to hold their breaths
under water, the thought of dunking this "helpless" little thing was
real scary! After we realized that they did hold their breaths, it was
a piece of cake. And most kids even enjoyed it!
I've noticed that toddlers (2-4 year olds) will either love swim
lessons or hate it. And you can't really force the ones that hate it.
But hopefully, they have a great instructor who can encourage them
in.....
Go for it, it's never too early!
Hawk
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297.50 | Just a public service announcement..... | TOPDWN::METZGER | Head Northwest young man.... | Tue Jul 31 1990 17:44 | 17 |
|
I've been an asthmatic since 2nd or 3rd grade. At first they thought it was
tied to my allergies but recent testing has shown that it is equally tied to
Stomach acid that splashes up my esophogus.
Fortunatly for me it isn't as bad now as it was in high school. I only need the
inhaler during extreme pollen season. For those of you with asthma be careful
with it. There are at least 100 cases a year of death resulting from asthma
attacks. I always know where the nearest hospital is in case of emergency and
I usually carry my inhaler with me when playing sports.
PS _ I find that Theodur gave me the shakes and eventually caused me to vomit
after taking it for a day. I was so hyper after taking it that I couldn't
sit down..(of course I started the medicine during finals week during
college a 4-5 years ago:-( )
Metz
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297.51 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Tue Jul 31 1990 17:48 | 15 |
|
I've seen some films of these tiny babies, not old enough to walk,
swimming around in pools. What I don't understand, is how do they
"teach" a six-month year old kid to swim?
Are babies born with a natural ability to swim? If so, then at
what point are they not able to swim, so that they have to be taught
all over again?
I understand that all animals have a natural ability to swim. Is
man the only animal that does not have this ability and has to be
taught?
Dickster, being serious today.
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297.52 | Fortunately, years of theodur has not hurt my son's growth. | SASE::SZABO | Got nothing but hell to pay. | Tue Jul 31 1990 17:54 | 9 |
| Theodur gave you the shakes, Metz, because it's a caffeine derivative.
That was my son's daily medication to prevent asthma flare-ups
although, once he caught a cold, the flare-up was inevitable, and so
was hospitalization.......
Chocolate has caffeine in it and I've heard that eating a chocolate bar
can provide some relief for a mild asthma sufferer......
Hawk
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297.53 | | CAM::WAY | Heave to, and prepare to be boarded! | Tue Jul 31 1990 18:03 | 13 |
| Dickster, think about it....
We swim around in the womb for 9 months.
I don't know if man's swimming ability is inate, but I do know that
if you learn something like that at a very young age, you are more
comfortable around the water, than if, like me, you learn much older.
I enjoy the beach or the pool, but I learned in a first aid course one
time when i had to play a drowning victim that I never really relax
in the water...
FrankWa
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297.54 | Still SPORTS-related, I hope..... | SASE::SZABO | Got nothing but hell to pay. | Tue Jul 31 1990 18:05 | 16 |
| Dickster, you're making me think back 9 years! Ouch, that hurts!
If I remember correctly, an infant doesn't actually swim, as in
freestyle, bactstroke, etc. What an infant does, or is trained to do,
is to be able to hold it's breath under water (blowing in it's face
before dunking initiates this response), then float back up to the
surface and stay afloat on it's back. I guess it's more of a survival
technique than being able to swim. Then they get a bit older, say, 1
to 1 & 1/2 years, and they learn to reach for either something to keep
them afloat or to grab the side of the pool, as well as learning to
tread water. Then, you start in with kick-boards, which by then,
they're actually learning to "swim".
HTH.
Hawk
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297.55 | | SASE::SZABO | Got nothing but hell to pay. | Tue Jul 31 1990 18:08 | 7 |
| addendum to last reply.......
Regarding infants treading water......... Now that I think of it,
treading water, I believe, is more a natural response, not a learned
one. But, I could be wrong.......
Hawk
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297.56 | | PNO::HEISER | when the wild winds blow | Tue Jul 31 1990 18:29 | 7 |
| FWIW, I also remember the swim coach saying that asthmatics have such a
hard time breathing to begin with that they build up better endurance
than non-asthmatic swimmers.
FWIW, these last few notes show how good SPORTS can be.
Mike
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297.57 | | WMOIS::JBARROWS | In and out of trouble everyday | Tue Jul 31 1990 18:34 | 7 |
| re: babies swimming
A friend of my mothers was going to take her baby to the Y for
swimming. Apparently (this is what I was told) they just throw
the babes in the water and instinct takes over.
Wheel
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297.58 | Baby Swim | SHALOT::MEDVID | muscle and hate | Tue Jul 31 1990 18:42 | 13 |
| I taught "Baby Swim" in college. We didn't accept babies over 18
months. The technique was invented by an Australian doctor who taught
his baby daughter to swim at 1 month. His theory was that fear of
water is learned once a child can begin to reason (i.e. water can hurt
you, you can die).
He proved his theory. We are mammals and most if not all mammals
naturally know how to swim. It is said the ability to reason is what
sets man apart from other animals. However, when it comes to swimming,
not being able to reason gives a point to the animals. Like Nike, they
Just Do It.
--dan'l
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297.59 | | RSST6::RIGGEN | Burley from biking | Tue Jul 31 1990 18:42 | 6 |
| Well Speaking from experience, my 1 yr old dumped himself out of his float ring
into the pool while I was looking at a literary classics Titles. He floated up
and grabbed hold of my arm and gave me one of those "you F***** up dad" looks.
Jeff
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297.60 | | CAM::WAY | Heave to, and prepare to be boarded! | Tue Jul 31 1990 18:44 | 18 |
| In a related vain (similar to Scuba Diving), if any of you
saw The Abyss, the fluid breathing apparatus in that movie
is technically not that far off.
A highly oxygenated fluid is being researched for similar type
applications.
When you come right down to it, human start out with fluid in
their lungs for 9 months. We can extract oxygen from water, but
our lungs don't have muscle to push it out. An oxygenated fluid
would make this easier...
Babies are very used to a fluid environment.
Hope this has been Sports related, and has not been taken as
disparaging by non-swmimmers, non-babies, or non-fluid breathers.
'saw
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297.61 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Wed Aug 01 1990 11:05 | 15 |
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Ironically, last night after getting home I flipped on the evening
news and they had a story about a guy who dived into the water at
some zoo to rescue a drowning chimpanzee. They said it was pretty
stupid and dangerous because drowning people are tough enough to
handle, but these sumbitches are supposed to be incredibly strong.
Chimps, according to the newscast, cannot swim. That shoots the
"animals can instinctively swim" theory all to hell, doesn't it?
Maybe it's just a trait of the humanoids. Can anyone point me to
the ::SPORTSANIMALS Note?
Dickster
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297.62 | Man saves drowning chimp | CIM::BROWN | | Wed Aug 01 1990 11:08 | 18 |
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re. -.51
Not all animals can swim. A chimpanzee can not swim. The new Detroit
Zoo chimp exhibit has had some problems because of a 5ft deep moat
around the exhibit. All the zoo directors thought chimps were afraid
of the water. About a month back a female chimp drowned and just last
Sunday two males were fighting and one of them fell in. A man climbed
over a 4ft fence and jumped in to rescue the chimp. Someone had their
video camera rolling and caught the entire scene on videotape.
Most people were equally split on whether he should have risked his
life to save the chimp. The chimp was unconscious when the man
reached him otherwise the chimp could have ripped his arm off.
Sorry for the digression from sports.
\pjb
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297.63 | | CAM::WAY | Shrooms, for the ride of you life | Wed Aug 01 1990 11:20 | 13 |
| Phil, I find your remarks potentially disparaging to people who
likes chimps and people with no arms...
Actually, I think it was commendable for that man to do that.
Since they have made such inroads in teaching things to chimps, I wonder
if they could be taught to swim. Hmmm....well, I suppose I should
take that to the animal behavorists conference...
So, Hawk, when is your son's next meet? Can we expect another
win in the backstroke (which is my particular favorite.....)
'Saw
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297.64 | And in lane 8, Bonzo, USA! | SASE::SZABO | Got nothing but hell to pay. | Wed Aug 01 1990 11:24 | 11 |
| I would think that all zoos would be responsible enough to take their
baby chimps to the Y for swim lessons and avoid these senseless
drownings...........
Can you just picture a chimp doing a "butterfly" the nexted time you go
for a visit? Before you know it, there'll be chimps competing in the
Olympics! :-)
[insert standard no offense intended clause here]
Hawk
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297.65 | | SASE::SZABO | Got nothing but hell to pay. | Wed Aug 01 1990 11:30 | 10 |
| All tomfoolery aside......
Psycho's next meet is Saturday morning against the Beverly (MA) Swim
Club. Beverly has been very strong, going home with the league
championship the last 3-4 years in a row. Before that, our club had a
long streak of about 7 or 8 years. We're looking to take it back this
year. Saturday's meet is just a regular meet. The championships are a
couple weeks away.......
Hawk
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297.66 | Sea Monkies | SHALOT::MEDVID | muscle and hate | Wed Aug 01 1990 13:28 | 8 |
| > Chimps, according to the newscast, cannot swim. That shoots the
> "animals can instinctively swim" theory all to hell, doesn't it?
Not necessarily. It could conversely be supportive reasoning for these
animals' human-like ability to reason. Perhaps they are more like us in
that they too gain a fear of water once they reach reasoning age.
--dan'l
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297.67 | Don't forget the leakproof rubber undies! | SASE::SZABO | St. John, St. Paul, St. George | Wed Aug 01 1990 13:51 | 4 |
| That's why I say that the earlier they get these chimps to the Y, the
better....... :-)
Hawk
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297.68 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Wed Aug 01 1990 13:53 | 10 |
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Could be dan'l, but now I don't know how to categorize the dolphin,
a mammal that seems to swim pretty well, and is supposedly highly
intelligent.
However, if they're so smart, how come I've never seen one walkin'
on land and, like, doing his own shopping at the supermarket.
Dickster
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297.69 | dan'l medvid => 99% dolphin | SHALOT::MEDVID | muscle and hate | Wed Aug 01 1990 15:20 | 10 |
| > However, if they're so smart [dolphins], how come I've never seen one walkin'
> on land and, like, doing his own shopping at the supermarket.
I do walk on land and I do shop at the supermarket.
--dan'l
MAC Champ '82 & '83
;-)
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297.70 | dan'l medvid => porpoise on steroids | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Wed Aug 01 1990 16:55 | 2 |
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297.71 | English Channel swim | GIDDAY::GREAVES | | Thu Aug 02 1990 01:07 | 14 |
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I have just read in the newspapers that an Aussie schoolgirl completed
the English channel swim. Susie Marony a 15 year old from Sydney swam
the English Channel (approx 21 miles/35km) in 8 hours 29 minutes. The
water temp of 17 degrees celcius/63 degrees F was her main concern.
However after 6 hours she was in pain and her coach had to keep her
going. She says that she intends to compete in the round Manhattan swim
on August 19th before coming back to Sydney and returning to school.
How many swimmers take part in the New York race and is their any prize
money or is an amateur race?
Mike G
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297.72 | Grab hold of the garbage barge and win the race | SHALOT::MEDVID | muscle and hate | Thu Aug 02 1990 09:56 | 11 |
| > She says that she intends to compete in the round Manhattan swim
> on August 19th before coming back to Sydney and returning to school.
>
> How many swimmers take part in the New York race and is their any prize
> money or is an amateur race?
I'm not sure, but I think with that water it might be a foot race! 8-)
Yucko! No way you'd get me in that water.
--dan'l
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297.73 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | LegitimateSportingPurpose?E.S.A.D.! | Thu Aug 02 1990 13:12 | 11 |
| The New York Free Style Grand Prix is held in the sewers of the city.
Thousands participate each year, and they're a hard ticket to get.
Coverage is on PUBIC (Public Information Channel). It is traditionally
held on July 14th (Bastille Day). Winner this year was a 15 year old
Australian girl who listed swimming the English Channel as her next
challenge. Second and Third place went to a pair of chimps named Psycho
and Booger.
Mike JN
PS No offense is intended blah, blah, blah....
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297.74 | Unbeaten string finally broken...... | SASE::SZABO | | Mon Aug 06 1990 17:53 | 19 |
| Well, "Psycho" met his match on Saturday morning. If you recall, I
mentioned last week that the team we were competing against is very
strong and are the defending champs......
Anyway, in the freestyle, Steven didn't place in the top 3. In the
backstroke, even though he swam his best-ever race, he placed a real
close 2nd. It was so close, that it was reaction time on the part of
the timers that determined the winner, as they both touched the wall at
the exact same time. The way a race is timed is having 2 people (1
parent from each team) in each lane with an electronic stop-watch, and
averaging their times. Obviously, no 2 people will have the same
reaction time, and this race could've gone either way. Oh well!
Now the Psychman is psyched to win back his #1 spot from the kid who
took it away from him. The league championships will start this
thursday and he's going to Wade(tm) for it all, then route on his
teammates to bring home the gold too!
Hawk
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297.75 | As you probably already know... | BUILD::MORGAN | Boggs Watch: 73 to go | Tue Aug 07 1990 11:30 | 6 |
| Could be the best thing that ever happened to him, Hawk. I remember
quite a few seasons in Little League that we'd lose a game half way
through the season, and come back stronger, and with more determination
than ever before.
Steve
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297.76 | | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Aug 07 1990 11:42 | 7 |
| Yeah Steve, definitely good for him. Although he never copped a cocky
attitude after his 1st 3 wins, he seemed somewhat complacent before
this last race. He sure isn't complacent now- he's definitely psyched!
One thing's for sure, whether he wins or loses to this kid on thursday,
he will be offering a handshake after the race......
Hawk
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297.77 | | DASXPS::TIMMONS | I'm a Pepere! | Tue Aug 07 1990 14:54 | 20 |
| Hawk, I was on vacation when this note started, and really never
got into it until today.
Congrats to Steven on his 3 wins. Sure is tough to be a papa of
an athlete, huh?
On losing, I think that's the EASIEST time to be the parent. Usually,
the kid is so down, and no one else is really comforting him, that
you can get to him. When they win, that's tough. Everyone loves
a winner, so they get all these people telling them how great they
are. You see this, and it's tough to bring them down a little,
so that reality doesn't wack them when they lose (and, they all
lose sometime).
But, with Steven and Julie being so active in sports, you're in
far a hell of a lot of enjoyment over the next 12 years or so.
Give him my best wishes in his meet.
Lee
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297.78 | | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Aug 07 1990 15:16 | 14 |
| Thanks, Lee. If he wins this thursday, I'll load up the back of the
family-wagon with all his trophies and ribbons and come over to your
house and show 'em off...... :-)
Seriously, even if he doesn't place 1st, but 2nd or even 3rd, I try to
make him feel like he's still a winner. When he took 2nd the other
day, I was still very proud of him, which helped him feel better about
not getting the 1st that he was used to getting. You're right, Lee, it
is much easier to talk to kids after a loss, and they definitely do get
much more out of the talk........
Can't wait for thursday afternoon!
Hawk
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297.79 | | CAM::WAY | Get Matt Sewell his jersey! | Tue Aug 07 1990 15:34 | 35 |
| Hawk --
FWIW, I've always felt that anyone who lines up on the starting
line, hears the gun, and gives 100% is still a winner.
There are many here among us (to borrow a line from Jimi and Bob) that
are hung up on BESTs. Who's the best this, who's the best that.
Let's see, if you take his possible chances of handling the ball
on the 3rd tuesday of every month during his career that there was
two full moons, and divide that by the size of his inseam, then
multiply by the square root of the size bat he used, you'll see
the he beats player y out hands down and is therefore the BEST.
Well, you get the point.
At any rate, I feel participating is the key. The Red Sox program
had a historical feature in it on the players who were on the
Red Sox World Champion Team in 1915. Looking at them, there were
men I never heard of. Men who made no impression on me other than
a face staring back out of an old photograph.
And then it dawned on me that these men participated in something
unique... something so unique that no one will ever be able to
reproduce it.
They played baseball in the early years of this century. The atmosphere,
the times... all gone.
By participating you experience something that few other people will
ever know.....
Your son, as he continues his swimming will come to know himself in
a way that a non-participant never will.... That in itself is victory.
'Saw
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297.80 | | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Aug 07 1990 16:02 | 9 |
| Agreed 100%, 'Saw. I haven't lost sight of the fact that even if he'd
be finishing dead last every time he lines up, that he's a winner in my
eyes and that he knows that he's a winner in his own........
Good point on the "best" hang-ups/syndrome.
Hawk (who'll be stuffing the Psychman with hi-carbs the night before
and Wheaties the day of the race! :-) ).
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297.81 | Chris Silva dies at age 29 | SHALOT::MEDVID | stars come down in you | Tue Aug 21 1990 18:25 | 12 |
| One of the first prominent black swimmers, Chris Silva, was killed in a
car wreck in Fort Lauderdale Sunday.
Silva swam breaststroke and butterfly for UCLA back in the early 80s
and just missed the cuts for the 84 and 88 olympics.
I can remember seeing his picture in SI when I was in college and
remarking that he was the first black swimmer I had ever seen. Then
that year, I swam against a black swimmer at Johns Hopkins (and got
beat badly by the way). Other than that, I never met another one.
--dan'l
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