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Created:Thu Dec 14 1989
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222.0. "The Official Phil. Sixers Topic" by LEVERS::STROUT (chew electric death!!!! - spiff) Thu Apr 26 1990 14:38

    	
    	I can't name all the starters for the Sixers but we need a note
    to discuss the Atlantic champs, esp. Barkley and his wyld antics.
    They're playing Cleveland in the first round of the playoffs.
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222.1Anything less would be uncivilized ...SHALOT::HUNTA single ping please, Vasily.Thu Apr 26 1990 14:5232
    Sixers starters are ...
    
    Johnny Dawkins	Point guard
    Hersey Hawkins	Shooting Guard
    Charles Barkley	Small Forward
    Rick Mahorn		Power Forward
    Mike Gminski	Center
    
    Ron Anderson	Sixth Man
    
    Reserves ...
    
    Derek Smith		Point/Shooting Guard
    Scott Brooks	Point Guard
    Kenny Payne		Small Forward
    Lanard Copeland	Small Forward
    Kurt Nimphius	Center
    
    And I'm missing somebody ...
    
    Coach is Jimmy Lynam and the Sixers are the freshly crowned
    Atlantic Division champions.  No one picked them to do this. 
    They've jelled very nicely.  Charles has had a monster year,
    perhaps the league MVP.  Hersey Hawkins has picked his game up
    several notches and Rick Mahorn continues to trail the "winner"
    tag with him wherever he goes.
    
    I hated to see Mo Cheeks go but the 12 guys that are there now are
    legitimate title contenders.
    
    Bob Hunt
    
222.2LEVERS::STROUTchew electric death!!!! - spiffThu Apr 26 1990 14:5812
    	Bob, who is this Lynam guy anyways?  I got so confused after
    the Goukas ditching (how long was he there anyways?).
    
    	I think the biggest mistake the Sixers made was the season they
    traded Moses, Erving left, they drafted Daughtery and traded him
    to the Cavs for Roy "Country Boy" Hinson and was it Threatt?  Along
    with getting an injured Ruland who only played something like 6
    games and then retired...  They really had a solid team before all
    that mess happened.
    
    sean
222.3ROCK::GRONOWSKIA. Bunker, George (Wallace, Brooks)Thu Apr 26 1990 15:267
    
    
    The Malone trade would not have been bad if Ruland would have
    remained healthy.
    
    The Daugherty trade was stupid for the sixers but helped the
    Cavs, so I can't complain.
222.4LEVERS::STROUTchew electric death!!!! - spiffThu Apr 26 1990 15:311
    	They got Ruland and someone else for Moses.  Who was it?  Catledge?
222.5REFINE::ASHEMiss America, USA, Playmate '90,& meThu Apr 26 1990 15:403
    Ruland and Catledge  I think...
    
    Is the other guy on the active roster Bob Thornton?
222.6CAM::WAYA fool's bolt is soon shotThu Apr 26 1990 15:422
I thought they got Dathan, Joshua and Abraham for Moses, but
I could be wrong...
222.7EARRTH::BROOKSChild of the Revolutionary GenerationThu Apr 26 1990 15:429
    Ruland and Cliff Robinson for Moses, Catledge, and a number 1 pick.
    
    In addition they traded the rights for Daughtery for Roy Hinson.
    
    Both deals were disaters, but it has seem to cure Katz of any
    Steinbrenner-like tendacies.
    
    BTW, Hinson was later traded in the deal that landed Philly Mike
    Gimnski, so they did salvage something ,...
222.8and it's Cheeks wide open!LEVERS::STROUTchew electric death!!!! - spiffThu Apr 26 1990 15:431
    	Ok, that clears some things up.  How did Cheeks leave?
222.9CAM::WAYA fool's bolt is soon shotThu Apr 26 1990 15:484
222.10EARRTH::BROOKSChild of the Revolutionary GenerationThu Apr 26 1990 15:499
    Mo was traded, along with Chris Welp and David Wingate, for Dawkins
    and another warm body :-)
    
    I too, hated to see Mo leave (Philly's organization is lacking in
    semintality and tradition), but Dawkins looks like a fixture on
    the point. A better deal than I thought it would be.
    
    Not to mention an all-name backcourt : Dawkins and Hawkins ....
    I wish Zinkoff was still around to do them .....
222.11LEVERS::STROUTchew electric death!!!! - spiffThu Apr 26 1990 16:009
    	The new Dawkins dude still confuses me because I remember they
    used to have Daryl "Thundah" Dawkins.  
    
    	Ok, next Sixers history question that I need answered.  How
    did the Sixers acquire Mo from Houston and did both Daryl and Mo
    play on the champeenship team AND what happened when Daryl left
    (trade?).  thanks.
    
    sean
222.12Final stats for SixersVAXWRK::NEEDLEThu Apr 26 1990 16:0731
Player               G  MIN   FG  FGA   FG%   FT  FTA   FT%
BARKLEY             79 3085  706 1177  .600  557  744  .749
HAWKINS             82 2856  522 1136  .460  387  436  .888
DAWKINS             81 2865  465  950  .489  210  244  .861
GMINSKI             81 2659  458 1002  .457  193  235  .821
ANDERSON            78 2089  379  841  .451  165  197  .838
MAHORN              75 2271  313  630  .497  183  256  .715
SMITH               75 1405  261  514  .508  130  186  .699
BROOKS              72  975  119  276  .431   50   57  .877
PAYNE               35  216   47  108  .435   16   18  .889
COPELAND            23  110   31   68  .456   11   14  .786
NIMPHIUS            38  314   38   91  .418   14   30  .467
THORNTON            56  592   48  112  .429   26   51  .510
GAINES               9   81    4   12  .333    1    4  .250
SHOUSE               3   18    0    4  .000    0    0   ---

Player              3FG 3FGA OREB TREB  AST STL  TO BLK  PF  PTS  AVG
BARKLEY              20   92  361  909  307 148 243  50 250 1989 25.2
HAWKINS              84  200   85  304  261 130 185  28 217 1515 18.5
DAWKINS              22   66   48  247  601 121 214   9 159 1162 14.3
GMINSKI               3   17  196  687  128  43  98 102 136 1112 13.7
ANDERSON              3   21   81  295  143  72  78  13 143  926 11.9
MAHORN                2    9  167  568   98  44 104 103 251  811 10.8
SMITH                16   36   62  172  109  35  85  20 198  668  8.9
BROOKS               31   79   15   64  207  47  38   0 105  319  4.4
PAYNE                 4   10   11   26   10   7  20   6  37  114  3.3
COPELAND              1    5    4   10    9   1  19   1  12   74  3.2
NIMPHIUS              0    1   22   61    6   4  12  18  45   90  2.4
THORNTON              1    3   45  133   17  20  35  12 105  123  2.2
GAINES                1    2    1    5   26   4  10   0  11   10  1.1
SHOUSE                0    1    0    0    2   1   2   1   2    0  0.0
222.13UPWARD::HEISERMr. Potato Head Groove ThingThu Apr 26 1990 16:163
    Re: Mahorn & "winner" label
    
    He sure didn't have it in Washington!
222.14Slightly ammended ;^)CAM::WAYA fool's bolt is soon shotThu Apr 26 1990 16:2015
Player               G  MIN   FG  FGA   FG%   FT  FTA   FT%  W  L  D  KO  TKO
BARKLEY             79 3085  706 1177  .600  557  744  .749  1  0  0   0   1
HAWKINS             82 2856  522 1136  .460  387  436  .888
DAWKINS             81 2865  465  950  .489  210  244  .861
GMINSKI             81 2659  458 1002  .457  193  235  .821
ANDERSON            78 2089  379  841  .451  165  197  .838
MAHORN              75 2271  313  630  .497  183  256  .715  0  0  1
SMITH               75 1405  261  514  .508  130  186  .699
BROOKS              72  975  119  276  .431   50   57  .877
PAYNE               35  216   47  108  .435   16   18  .889
COPELAND            23  110   31   68  .456   11   14  .786
NIMPHIUS            38  314   38   91  .418   14   30  .467
THORNTON            56  592   48  112  .429   26   51  .510
GAINES               9   81    4   12  .333    1    4  .250
SHOUSE               3   18    0    4  .000    0    0   ---
222.15LEVERS::STROUTchew electric death!!!! - spiffThu Apr 26 1990 16:2014
    	Looking at the team stats I'm totally confused.  Hawkins and
    Dawkins are the guards.  Whose the shooting forward, power forward
    and center??  Barkley's outrebounding and outshooting both Mahorn
    and Gminski.  From the looks of things I would guess:
    
    Center - Gminski
    Power Forward - Mahorn
    Shooting Forward - Barkley
    
    	If this is the case, Barkley definitely has changed his game
    since his early years in the pros where he used to be more of a
    power forward.
    
    sean
222.16AXIS::ROBICHAUDDockers...Pants for |CENSORED|sThu Apr 26 1990 16:241
    	I believe that Moses was signed as a free agent.
222.17ROCK::GRONOWSKIA. Bunker, George (Wallace, Brooks)Thu Apr 26 1990 16:3915
    
    re: .11
    
    
    Dawkins was gone before Malone came along.  The year before Moses
    arrived, the Sixers had Caldwell Jones as a starting center.  He's
    a great defensive player, but didn't have the offensive punch to
    start on a championship team.  Malone was acquired for Jones plus
    what turned out to be the 3rd pick in the draft (McCray).  The
    pick originally belonged to the Cavs.  The Rockets figured they'd
    lose Malone anyways and this would give them an opportunity to
    lock up Ralph Sampson if both they and Cleveland finished with the
    worst two records.  As it turns out... Indiana and Houston finished
    with the worst records, but the Rockets won the toss and got 
    Sampson.
222.18ROCK::GRONOWSKIA. Bunker, George (Wallace, Brooks)Thu Apr 26 1990 16:414
    
    ... or maybe malone was signed as a free agent and the rockets
    got the 1st round pick and Jones as compensation...?
    
222.19EARRTH::BROOKSChild of the Revolutionary GenerationThu Apr 26 1990 17:1118
    Nope, you were right at first Paul. Mo left the Rockets after they
    signed him to a contract. It was felt that the Rockets had gone
    as far as they could with Moses, and that a trade may land them
    in the cellar (in fact they went 14-68), but would help them get
    some fresh new talent.
    
    As it turned out, it worked that way. Elvin Hayes retired, Robert
    Reid was on sabbitcal, and the Rockets got Sampson and McCray (the
    idiots had a shot at Drexler, but blew it to take McCray ....)
    
    Dawkins went to the Nets in a trade for cash and draft picks, right ?
    Or did they get Albert King as well ?
    
    In any case, Dawkins ahd his best year two years after the deal,
    and played a big role in knocking Philly out of the playoffs in
    84.
    
    Doc
222.20Darryl "tweeee" DawkinsHOTSHT::SCHNEIDEROh+Thu Apr 26 1990 17:1410
    >Dawkins went to the Nets in a trade for cash and draft picks, right ?
    >Or did they get Albert King as well ?
 
Albert King went later.  I think the Nets simply bought Dawkins, no players,
no picks.  Could be wrong about that, though.  King, the Nets just gave up
on and let him go free.  The guy had the most fragile confidence in the
world.  If he missed his first shot of the game, he was done for the night.

Dan

222.21More ...SHALOT::HUNTA single ping please, Vasily.Thu Apr 26 1990 17:1619
    Moses Malone was signed as a free agent in 1982 and *then* the
    Sixers traded Caldwell Jones since he no longer fit their plans. 
    The deals were separate but part of a single strategy.
    
    Darryl Dawkins was traded to New Jersey following the 1982 season,
    if I recall.
    
    Mo Cheeks went with Wingate and Welp for Johnny Dawkins and Jay
    Vincent.  Vincent was later released.  I think he hooked up with
    the Lakers.
    
    And, yes, Harold Katz and his staff do seem to have gotten their
    heads screwed back on straight after that 1986 disaster in which
    they let Malone, Catledge, and 2 No. 1 picks go for what amounted
    to Roy Hinson and Cliff Robinson.   Jeff Ruland played five games
    in total and then retired, Hinson went to Jersey for Gminski, and
    Robinson is out of hoops.
    
    Bob Hunt
222.22LEVERS::STROUTchew electric death!!!! - spiffThu Apr 26 1990 17:1712
	Doc, wasn't Houston in the cellar the last year Mo was there?
    If I remember correctly it went:
    
    1. Houston - Akeem Olajuwon
    2. Portland - Sam Bowie
    3. Chicago - Michael Jordan
    
    	Then the next season they got the first pick again:
    
    1. Houston - Ralph Sampson
    
    sean
222.23LEVERS::STROUTchew electric death!!!! - spiffThu Apr 26 1990 17:182
    	Thanks Bob, it was Cliff Robinson AND Jeff Ruland for Moses
    Malone. 
222.24FSHQA1::JHENDRYJohn Hendry, DTN 292-2170Thu Apr 26 1990 17:2112
    Jimmy Lynam is a graduate of St Joseph's in Philadelphia, a member
    of the Big Five and the Atlantic 10.  Lynam played under Jack Ramsay
    at St Joe's and may have assisted him at some point in his career.
    Lynam was head coach at St Joe's in the early eighties when the
    Hawks went to a couple of NCAA tournaments (and played Northeastern
    in one of those years if I'm not mistaken).  I think he was an NBA
    assistant for a while before taking over the Sixers when Matt Goukas
    was let go.
    
    St Joe's has fallen on tough times since he's left there.
    
    John
222.25VAXWRK::NEEDLEThu Apr 26 1990 17:2925
You're both right.  Moses was signed as a free agent but Houston matched the
offer and traded him to PHiladelphia for Caldwell Jones and a 1983 first round
draft choice which turned out to be Rodney McCray.

As for Darryl Dawkins, he just sort of faded away.  He was with Philadelphia
from 1975 to 1982, after being drafted as a hardship case.  He was then traded
to New Jersey along with James Bailey for Keith Lee and John Bagley.  He was
with New Jersey through the 1986-1987 season, although he played only 6 games
in that last year.  He then entered his don't-bother-unpacking phase.  He was
traded on October 8, 1987 to Cleveland along with twin brother Mel Turpin for
Kent Benson, Dell Curry, and a future 2nd round pick.  He was then traded by
Utah to Detroit for 1988 and 1990 second round draft choices and cash (about
$3, I think) on November 26, 1987.  He sulked most of the season, went through
some personal tragedies, and was finally waived by Detroit on February 23,
1989.  Since leaving New Jersey, he had played only 20 games.  He resurfaced at
Orlando for a brief spell amid speculation that he'd like to play for his
home-town team but that never came to fruition.

His only legacy to basketball is his record in 1984 for most personal fouls,
when he was whistled 386 times resulting in 22 disqualifications.  This
eclipsed his record of the previous year of 379 whistles for 23
disqualifications.  In one 3 year span he accumulated more personal fouls than
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar accumulated over his entire 57 year career.

j.
222.26Recheck the Register, pleaseHOTSHT::SCHNEIDEROh+Thu Apr 26 1990 17:3612
>He [Darryl Dawkins] was then traded
>to New Jersey along with James Bailey for Keith Lee and John Bagley.  He was
>with New Jersey through the 1986-1987 season, although he played only 6 games
>in that last year.

This can't be right.  The Nets obtained Lee and Bagley from the Cavs in the
'88 off-season, but I forget how.  I highly doubt it had anything to do with Darryl
Dawkins.  But in whatever deal brought the Nets Dawkins (I still think he was
just sold, until I hear something more convincing) it certainly wasn't in a
trade for Lee and Bagley, who were both in college at that time.

Dan
222.27LEVERS::STROUTchew electric death!!!! - spiffThu Apr 26 1990 17:368
    jeff, also don't forget daryl's other claim to fame... the first
    shattered backboard in NBA history!!  POWAH JAM!!!  
    
    thanks for the info though. Things changed so dramatically for the
    sixers the past few years I just completely lost touch with what
    was going on and who was where.
    
    sean
222.28Lynam's "One Shining Moment"SHALOT::HUNTA single ping please, Vasily.Thu Apr 26 1990 17:3826
    Jimmy Lynam was an NBA coach before as well.  He was one of the
    many coaches of the San Diego/Los Angeles Clippers a few years
    back.
    
    His most famous moment was in the early rounds of the 1981 NCAA
    tournament when the St. Joseph's Hawks knocked off the top number
    1 seed in the entire tournament, the De Paul Blue Demons with 
    Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings, and Skip Dillard.
    
    The Hawks won 50-49 on a layup at the buzzer after Dillard missed
    a free throw.  Bryan Warrick rebounded and drove the length of the
    court before he dished of to Lonnie McFarlan who hit John Smith
    underneath the bucket for the win.  Lynam went nuts on the
    sidelines hugging everything that moved.
    
    That was the same day that Arkansas Razorback U.S. Reed threw in a
    halfcourt buzzer prayer to knock off heavyweight Louisville and
    Kansas State's Rolando Blackman buried Oregon State with a buzzer
    shot from the corner.
    
    The network announcers back at the studio were out of breath.
    
    The Hawks went on the Regional Finals where they lost big to
    Indiona on a roll.
    
    Bob Hunt
222.29Head Case Of The Decade ???SHALOT::HUNTA single ping please, Vasily.Thu Apr 26 1990 17:428
    Dawkins has the all-time best names for his dunks, too.
    
    The "Chocolate Thunder, Backboard Swayin', Bun Toastin', Rump
    Roastin', Planet Lovetron, In-Jo-Face Jam"
    
    Ah, them were the days ...
    
    Bob Hunt
222.30TURKEY::J_HALPINThu Apr 26 1990 18:4512
>    jeff, also don't forget daryl's other claim to fame... the first
>    shattered backboard in NBA history!!  POWAH JAM!!!

	I'm sorry, but I remember reading somewhere that the first shattered
NBA backboard belongs to a Celtic. Kevin 'Chuck' Conners supposedly shattered
on back in the late 40s! Of course, he didn't break it with a 'POWAH JAM', it
was with a set shot!!!!! Talk about brick laying!!! No wonder the guy went on
to become an actor!!!!

JimH
  
    
222.31LEVERS::STROUTchew electric death!!!! - spiffThu Apr 26 1990 18:487
    	He shattered a backboard off a set shot????  I didn't know they
    used bowling balls back then.  No Powah?  No Jam?  I've got to see
    this one!
    
    	Dawkins first dunk was incredible.  The ball almost stuck right in
    the backboard.  His second shattering I think he ripped the rim
    right out, leaving a big hole in the broken glass.
222.32MCIS1::DHAMELHindenburg, Titanic, CanadiensThu Apr 26 1990 18:529
    
    The first shattering I remember was Luke Jackson against the C's.
    
    The crowd was dead silent for what seemed like ten seconds before
    breaking into wild applause.  The refs didn't seem to know whether
    to count the bucket or not.
    
    Dickster
    
222.33VAXWRK::NEEDLEThu Apr 26 1990 18:5917
>> >He [Darryl Dawkins] was then traded
>> >to New Jersey along with James Bailey for Keith Lee and John Bagley.  He was
>> >with New Jersey through the 1986-1987 season, although he played only 6 games
>> >in that last year.

>>This can't be right.  The Nets obtained Lee and Bagley from the Cavs in the
>>'88 off-season, but I forget how.  I highly doubt it had anything to do with Darryl
>>Dawkins.  But in whatever deal brought the Nets Dawkins (I still think he was
>>just sold, until I hear something more convincing) it certainly wasn't in a
>>trade for Lee and Bagley, who were both in college at that time.

Can't argue with the NBA Register, Dan.  He was "Traded by New Jersey with
James Bailey to Cleveland for Keith Lee and John Bagley, October 8, 1987", just
after the 1987 season.  So those players started in the 1988-1989 season.  Is
that what you'd consider the '88 off-season?

j.
222.34UPWARD::HEISERMr. Potato Head Groove ThingThu Apr 26 1990 19:2460
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (JOE CIALINI, UPI Sports Writer)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Sixers face dangerous Cavaliers
Date: 25 Apr 90 18:47:23 GMT
 
 
	PHILADELPHIA (UPI) -- The Philadelphia 76ers received some reward
for winning their first Atlantic Division title in seven years -- a
first-round playoff date with the dangerous Cleveland Cavaliers.
	Cleveland won only 42 games this season as it earned the seventh
playoff spot in the Eastern Conference, but the Cavaliers battled injury
problems for much of season.
	When they had the lineup that helped them win 57 times last season,
save for traded guard Ron Harper, Cleveland won 17 of its final 23
games, including its last six in a row.
	The Cavaliers split four games with Philadelphia this season and
earned the right to open against the 76ers in the playoffs by beating
the New York Knicks in their season-finale, dropping Indiana to the
eighth seed.
	The 76ers could be excused for wishing they were playing the Pacers
since they swept four games against them this season. Forward Charles
Barkley, however, insists they are not.
	``I'm glad we're playing Cleveland,'' he said. ``If you play
Indiana, you might get upset, taking things for granted. But now, you
know from the first game on that it's going to be a war.''
	The best-of-five series begins at the Spectrum on Thursday night.
Game 2 is set for Sunday night in Philadelphia before the series moves
to Cleveland for the next two games.
	``To win the championship or get to the next round, you're going to
have to beat good teams,'' Barkley said. ``If you play a weak team the
first round, maybe you won't be ready for the second round. We know
we've got a war in the first round. That's good. It's going to be a good
series.
	``They've got a very good team. It could go either way. But you've
got to like our chances. If we play up to our capability, I feel we can
beat anybody.''
	Cleveland has an imposing front court in center Brad Daugherty and
forwards Larry Nance and John ``Hot Rod'' Williams, and a talented lead
guard in Mark Price. Most importantly, however, the Cavaliers are
finally healthy after missing Daugherty for 41 games and Nance for 17
contests earlier in the season.
	``The Cleveland team now is different than the Cleveland team we
played at the outset of the season when they had a lot of injuries,''
Philadelphia Coach Jim Lynam said. ``They are one of the better
three-point shooting teams and when John Williams comes in, they are one
of the better shot-blocking teams.''
	One thing Philadelphia does have in its favor is the homecourt
advantage. The 76ers were 34-7 at the Spectrum this season, third-best
home record in the Eastern Conference.
	``They're very good but we're very good too,'' Barkley said. ``We
have the home court so the advantage should be on our side. But we could
conceivably lose this one. Hey, we've just go to go out and do our best.
Whatever happens, happens.''
	In the playoffs last year, Philadelphia was swept in the first
round by the New York Knicks as rookie guard Hersey Hawkins suffered
through a 3 for 24 shooting nightmare.
	``Last year was last year,'' said Hawkins, whose game improved
dramatically this season. ``We'll play better than we did last year. I
had a slump last year. It will be difficult but we have a better shot
this year.''
222.35WOODS::KINGRNew_Kids_On_The_Block=Pimple_Music!Fri Apr 27 1990 00:356
    Don't know the score but the 76'ers beat the Cadavers tonight... Celt
    also won..
    
            REK
    
    San Ant. is leading big...
222.361 down, 2 to go!GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsFri Apr 27 1990 09:5817
    
    Terrific game. Sixers were hurting a little, with Derek Smith and Bob
    Thorton not playing. But Hersey and Charles came through. Both Mike
    Gminski and Johnny Dawkins had off shooting nights, but both delivered
    clutch baskets down the stretch. The block by Barkley on Ehlo's layup
    with about 40 sec left had to be seen to be believed. Just incredible.
    
    The worst part of the game was having to watch it on the Sportschannel
    Ohio feed. Jim Chones does the color commentary and is just awful. With
    about 30 seconds left and the Sixers up by 5, Chones was talking about
    how the Cavs were in great shape and just in the right position. He
    brings a whole new meaning to the work homer. He also was talking about
    how the Sixers can't block shots, but he happened to choose a night
    when Gminski blocked 7. Bad timing.
    
    Dennis
    
222.37Wish I was there.ROULET::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Fri Apr 27 1990 10:1015
    
    	Oh come on now, Jim Chones is great!  Where did you pick up
    the game?  I couldn't find it anywhere!  I was pissed!  It must
    have been a good game with the cavs leading most of the night.
    This was the closest game of the playoffs yesterday.  Don't think
    the 76ers will have any easier of a game on Sunday.  The Cavs 
    didn't get the 3 pointers to fall yesterday either.  2 for 8 
    If they could have gotten 2 to fall................
    
    	By the way, how was the officiating???
    
    	If it goes by the officials...I see Boston and the BULLShitters
    going to the big game.  
             o
    	Go CAVS!
222.38GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsFri Apr 27 1990 10:2014
    
    Well, they still can't see a moving pick. :*)
    
    I thought it was pretty even for an NBA game. I though the elbowing
    foul on Mahorn was BS and the T after it was worse. I thought the ref
    that gave Mahorn the elbowing call knew he blew it and let Mahorn yell.
    A ref who wasn't involved in the play walked across the court to give
    Mahorn the T. Pure BS. 
    
    Price played a great game, but Wilkens rested Nance too long in the
    third quarter.
    
    Dennis
    
222.39EARRTH::BROOKSChild of the Revolutionary GenerationFri Apr 27 1990 11:299
    I should have known that the Sixers won because ....
    
    I didn't get any mail from Gronowski !
    
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!
    
    
    Doc
222.40EARRTH::BROOKSChild of the Revolutionary GenerationFri Apr 27 1990 11:4046
    re .22
    
    Sean, yu've got it backwards. In 1981, the Rockets made an incredible
    run all the way to the Finals on the strength of a unbelievable
    playoff series from Moses Malone, and great performances from Calvin
    Murphy, Robert Reid, and Bill Willoughby. Also important, and
    underrated, was the job done by Coach Del Harris. 
    
    The next year, Elvin Hayes returned to Houston, and despite another
    great year from Malone, and a 46-win season (the year before, they
    were 40-42), they got bumped in the 1st or 2nd round by Seattle.
    
    The Rockets management felt that the team had gone as far as possible
    with the talent at hand. However, the chances of landing an impact
    player were pretty low given the solid talent on the roster. Philly
    on the otehr hand was looking for the missing piece, and his name
    was Moses Malone, who was wearing out Kareem on a regular basis
    in Houston.
    
    The Sixers signed him to an offer sheet, the Rockets matched it,
    then traded Moses to the Sixers for a 1st round pick and Caldwell
    Jones.
    
    The deal helped both clubs. The Sixers won the title the next year.
    The Rockets lost Elvin Hayes (retirement), and Robert Reid (religious
    sabbatical), and staggered home with a 14-68 record. Harris was
    fired, Fitch hired (ugh.), and the Rockets' record entitled them
    to flip with Indy for the top pick. They won and took Sampson. After
    Indy took Steve Stipanovich, Houston selected McCray with Philly's
    pick, and the Rockets had the foundation for a great ballclub.
    
    re Backboards,
    
    Chuck Conners (yes, "The Rifleman"), broke a backboard with a two
    hand set shot in 1949 or so ... talk about bricks ... :-)
    
    Gus Johnson was the first to shatter a board with a dunk during
    game conditions. But Dawkins is the guy who inspired fear. The first
    time he demolished one was against the Kings when they were in KC.
    It's said that a fragment of the backboard was imbedded 1/2" deep
    into the hardwood from the force of the dunk.
    
    It's no wonder why spring-loaded rims were rushed into common use.
    
    DrM
    
222.41thanks for clearing that upLEVERS::STROUTchew electric death!!!! - spiffFri Apr 27 1990 11:488
    	Doc,
    
    	Do you mean to tell me the Sixers could have had Olajuwon if
    they hadn't taken Moses???  For the short run I guess it was better
    to take Moses but for the long run that was a BIG mistake, if that
    was the case.
    
    sean
222.42More ...SHALOT::HUNTA single ping please, Vasily.Fri Apr 27 1990 12:1313
    No, Moses Malone came to the Sixers in the summer of 1982.  Akeem
    Olajuwon left Cougar High in 1984 and was the Rockets' first round
    pick that summer.
    
    The Rockets took Rodney McCray in 1983 with the pick that the
    Sixers gave them in exchange for Moses.
    
    I forget how it was that the 1983 pick that the Sixers gave the
    Rockets got to be such a high pick.  The Sixers used to stockpile
    draft picks like crazy back then so it was probably one of those
    tricky "Houston from Philadelphia from ????" picks.
    
    Bob Hunt
222.43GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsFri Apr 27 1990 12:168
    
    No, the Rockets got Olaajuwon when they tanked about the last two weeks
    of the season. That years Rocket team inspired the draft lottery. The
    pick they got from the Sixers was used for McCray. Akeem was drafted
    with the pick they ?earned? by not trying at the end of that season.
    
    Dennis
    
222.45RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JOGea Johnson, you make everythang...Fri Apr 27 1990 12:4412
    Thanks Jeff.
    
    I didn't see the game, since Celts/Knicks and Portland/Dallas were
    on, along with the Blues/hawks game.  Barkley did socre 38.
    
    Strange thing near end of game.  Ehlo was driving for a hoop to
    cut lead to 3 or 4 or 5, and the ball got stuck between the rimand
    the backboard.  Automatic jump ball, sixers got ball, ending  all
    chance of a Cavs comeback.  Remember,the Cavs are the best 3 point
    shooting team in the league.
    
    JD
222.46Jeff, take a cold shower !LUNER::BROOKSChild of the Revolutionary GenerationFri Apr 27 1990 12:5213
    re .44
    
    Jeff, what the hell is your problem !? We were discussing basketball
    in this topic, to wit, the Moses/Akeem draft/trade ....
    
    You are in the wrong topic, so take your childish tantrum over to
    Sports Theory, and waste it on MrT, who could use it a hell of a
    lot more than we can.
    
    Have a nice day,
    
    
    Doc
222.47LEVERS::STROUTchew electric death!!!! - spiffFri Apr 27 1990 12:552
    	Barkley scored 38 last night and Hersey Hawkins had a career
    high 35 points in the 111-106 (I believe that was the score) victory.
222.48Reentered without names to avoid more hate mailVAXWRK::NEEDLEFri Apr 27 1990 12:568
Re:  all the usual pissing contesters...

You guys have reduced all the other basketball notes to crap.  I don't even
read them any more except when nexted unseen accidentally brings me to them.  I
don't give a rat's ass about your feuds or childish rantings.

Can we PLEASE just keep this note to discussing the 76ers, possibly in a
somewhat intelligent fashion?
222.49LUNER::BROOKSChild of the Revolutionary GenerationFri Apr 27 1990 12:5823
    Sean, sorry I didn't clear it up .....
    
    In 1983, the Rockets drafted Ralph with their own pick, and with
    the Sixers pick (which they got from Jersey, I think, in some deal)
    they took Rodney McCray. As it turned out, the Sixers had another
    1st rounder, which they would have used to take Clyde Drexler. Portland
    got him, and the Sixers settled for Leo Rautins.
    
    The next year, the Rockets were better, but not much more. And a
    late-season swoon saw them collaspe. It inspired a lot of "tanking"
    talk. In the last game of the year, Elvin Hayes was shooting for
    his 50,000 minute career, so Bill Fitch let him play 46 minutes,
    and people went crazy ! Nevermind the fact that the Big E got a
    triple double, the Rockets lost, and peole pointed to taht as a
    "tanking" example.
    
    Anyhow, the Rockets won another flip - this time with Portland (a
    no lose scenario, since if the Blazers won, Houston would have selected
    Jordan), and won. And like somebody said, the NBA instituted the
    lottery to prevent the possiblity of tanking. ALthough it seems
    to me that now, instead of 1 or 2 teams doing it, perhaps 7 or 8
    might try ...             
    
222.50GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsFri Apr 27 1990 13:0811
    
    re: the Ehlo shot
    
    The ball didn't stick there by accident. Barkley blocked Ehlo's layup
    attempt and it got wedged there. Tremendous play by Charles, and it was
    so clean that the Cleveland broadcasters couldn't find fault with it.
    The jump ball came to center court, the Sixers controlled, and the game
    was history.
    
    Dennis
    
222.51RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JOOut of office til 5/9/90Fri Apr 27 1990 13:149
    Dennis,
    
    Thanks for the clarification.  I was doing some things around the
    house, and they switched to the game, and when I looked they were
    jump balling, and Chones was saying how the ball got stuck.  Didn't
    realize Sir Charles had blocked it.  fromthe updates, it seemed
    like it was a good, close, well-fought game.
    
    JD
222.52GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsFri Apr 27 1990 13:2415
    
    	The game was alot closer than I thought it would be. The only
    Sixers that did any scoring were Hawkins and Barkley. Anderson,
    Dawkins, and Gminski all had poor shooting nights. Couple that with the
    loss of Thorton (bad back) and Smith (knee), and it makes for a closer
    game. 
    
    Also, the Sixers for some reason seemed to have trouble keeping up
    their emotional edge last night. They seemed real flat for much of the
    first half, and really didn't turn it on until late in the third
    quarter. The effort from Philadelphia was more workmanlike than their
    usual effort.
    
    Dennis
    
222.53VAXWRK::NEEDLEFri Apr 27 1990 13:412
I'm starting to get the feeling that these playoffs will go down in history as
the ones that Barkley won.  The man is on a MISSION.
222.54The Great ProtectorSASE::SZABOFreakin' Lunatics Club CardholderFri Apr 27 1990 14:215
222.56Right arm, Steven_boy! :-) SASE::SZABOFreakin' Lunatics Club CardholderFri Apr 27 1990 14:411
    
222.58UPWARD::HEISERMr. Potato Head Groove ThingFri Apr 27 1990 14:5511
>    Current list of DrDirtBrains "FAVORITE" NBA teams (order is random and 
>    is determined by DrM during playoff time).
>    
>    Golden State                   Houston                San Antonio    
    >LA Lakers                      Detroit                New York
>    Philadelphia                   Chicago                Atlanta
>    Utah                           Portland
    
>    Did I miss anyone?
    
    Yeah Boston!
222.59GENRAL::GIBSONFri Apr 27 1990 14:586
    
    If I'm not mistaken the jump ball didn't seal it for Philly.
    Wasn't Philly up by 3 when Price brought the ball upcourt and
    proceeded to throw it right to a 76er who inturn tossed it to
    the other end to Barkley for a jam? I wasn't watching very closely
    so the lead could have been more.
222.60MALLONE AND STINKOFFQUIVER::PICKETTDavid - Beware of the dogmaFri Apr 27 1990 15:105
    MOSIS MALLONE IS TH E MOST PAMPURED PLAIER IN BASKETBAL! WHATEVER TEEM
    GETS HIM DERSERVS HIM?! DAVE "STINK"OFF IS THE BEST ARENA ANOUNCUR IN
    NBA! I CAN STILL HEER HIM SAYIN JULIES IIIIIIIIIRVING.
    
    DP
222.61RALF!SASE::SZABOFreakin' Lunatics Club CardholderFri Apr 27 1990 15:131
    
222.62the Resurrection of Ralf!UPWARD::HEISERMr. Potato Head Groove ThingFri Apr 27 1990 15:461
    
222.63Typo on your partWNDMLL::SCHNEIDEROh+Fri Apr 27 1990 18:047
>Can't argue with the NBA Register, Dan.  He was "Traded by New Jersey with
>James Bailey to Cleveland for Keith Lee and John Bagley, October 8, 1987",
    
    But you said that's how he was traded *to* NJ.  Can you consult the
    book again and just confirm how he got to The Garden State?
    
    Dan
222.6476ers get up late for the game...LUDWIG::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Fri Apr 27 1990 21:4519
    
    	Now that you all have talked total bullcrap the last couple
    of days.........I'll let you in on the real story!  The Cavs have
    never started a playoff series with a win...so why start now?  I
    even knew the odds were against them winning 7 in a row.  Better
    to lose this one than to lose a more important game later.  The
    Cavs *will* win the game on Sunday by a large margine.  Don't look
    for the spread of the game to be 8 this time.  I'll be surprised
    if its 3!  The Cavs are the better all around team and down deep,
    isn't that what we all were taught......play as a team!!!  Not the
    one man do it all team.....ie: one man team (Jordan) (tm) but the
    real team that plays together.  The Cavs *are* that kind of a team!
    They are the dark horse!  That is ... if the officials can call
    a *fair* game...
               
             o
    	Go CAVS! 	by the way....with....a....(tm)
    
    
222.65GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsFri Apr 27 1990 22:2414
    re: -1
    
    If the officials call a fair game, none of the Cav's big men will be
    around at half time. That "moving" pick and roll would get them
    whistled so fast it'd make your head spin. The part I don't understand
    is why they do it, because for the most part Price can get open by
    himself. All I know is that if it was Mahorn setting picks like that,
    he'd have fouled out by halftime.
    
    BTW - I thought you didn't see the game. How do you know how the refs
    did?
    
    Dennis
    
222.66They'll stay 1-for-ever7983::RIEUStanley, won't you please come home!Mon Apr 30 1990 11:462
       How bout them Cavs!!
                                              Denny
222.67Bring back Dudley.. he was at least semi-goonishSNDCSL::HAUSRATHWho,Stones in '89. Zep in '90Mon Apr 30 1990 12:0812
    
    As expected the series has been close..  If Ehlo could hit a jump shot
    it'd be 2-0 Cavs instead of 2-0 Sixers.  
    
    Nance also looked pathetic last night.  
    
    Collins made a good point about taking hard fouls.  The CAVS should do
    more (some) of it, as there were just too many uncontested layups.  
    Lenny continues to coach up a storm, eh?   If they get swept, I look
    for Lenny to get the boot.  
    
    /Jeff
222.68LEVERS::STROUTchew electric death!!!! - spiffMon Apr 30 1990 14:5315
    	Oh, BTW the final score was 107-101.  Philly took an early lead
    but Cleveland was able to get ahead going into halftime.  The second
    half was all Barkley and defense.  Brooks mauled Price.  It was
    hilarious at times.
    
    	Barkley sure looked like he was having a good time out there.
    The fans were going into freakin hysterics too.  Never seen such
    an enthused Sixers crowd since the ever classic Cetlics-Sixers wars
    way back when...
    
    	In the post game interview with Barkley he stated his approval
    of facing Chicago in the semis.  Does anyone know how they fared
    this season?  I would be led to believe the series is 2-2.  thanks.
    
    sean
222.69Let's here it for ScottieGRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsMon Apr 30 1990 15:0914
    
    re: -1
    
    The Sixers and Bulls split the season series 2-2.
    
    Brooks was really the key last night. He was all over Price and really
    got Mark frustrated, to the point where Price took a swing at him. The
    facinating thing about the game is how the Sixers managed to get the
    fast break going while Cleveland was outrebounding them. I hope Ehlo
    and Kerr shoot like this for the rest of the series. If that's the
    case, Tuesday night should do it.
    
    Dennis
    
222.70LEVERS::STROUTchew electric death!!!! - spiffMon Apr 30 1990 15:148
	One great fast break play was when Barkley blocked the Cleveland
    shot, jumped again to catch the ball and broke down the middle for
    a 3 on 2.  He's unbelievable.  
    
    	Also, if he didn't travel on that one, behind the back dribble,
    split two shot blocking defenders (Nance, Daugherty) to a left handed
    scoop and score plus a foul, I'll be fully amazed.  Only Jordan
    works the baseline better than Barkley, IMO.
222.71The Off-Season Place To BeSHALOT::HUNTA single ping please, Vasily.Mon Apr 30 1990 15:167
    Scott Brooks is further testimony to the Southern California Pro
    Summer League.
    
    If a player is "on the fringe", he can get "discovered" in a hurry
    at the SoCal Summer League.
    
    Bob Hunt
222.72Give them a piss test!ROULET::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Mon Apr 30 1990 17:0917
    
    	As I saw it...........3 of the 76ers were on drugs!  How could
    those guys act like that with a question being asked?  I'd have
    them all piss tested!  Barley, Brooks (what a jerk), and Morton.
    	This is not why the Cavs lost the game though...I blame it on
    Ehlo!  What kind of crap was he playing anyway?  How much did phili
    pay him?  Like I said long, long ago.......get read of him!!!  He
    has cost the team both games by his poor shooting and bad passing!
    The team that played the last two game is not the Cavs!
    	The officials let this game get out of hand too.......there
    was Nance and Morton, Barkley and Bennet, and Price and Brooks.
    How can you be alowd to elbo and elbo and elbo???
    
    	I just don't know.  It stinks and so does the 76ers!
    
    	Hal
    
222.73LEVERS::STROUTMon Apr 30 1990 17:132
    	Hal, if you think you could get Barkley and Mahorn to piss in
    a cup for you, by all means, go to it!
222.74"Did you see him sweat?" (tm)SASE::SZABOMon Apr 30 1990 17:226
222.75LEVERS::STROUTMon Apr 30 1990 17:242
    	Barkley was sweating like crazy during the post game interview.
    It was amazing!
222.76Drug scandal rocks Sixers! SPORTS noter turns evidence!AXIS::ROBICHAUDDockers...Pants for |CENSORED|sMon Apr 30 1990 17:261
    
222.77QUASER::JOHNSTONWonFarfugIsKnotEnuf! WhoIsTooBlam?!Mon Apr 30 1990 18:507
222.78How about an answer?ROULET::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Tue May 01 1990 10:0527
    
    It does seam strange though....it brings questions to my mind...
    
    	Barkley
    	Morton
    	Brooks
    	Ehlo
    	Jordan
    
    	just to name a few who I think are on something durring the
    games.....and who else?  I'm sure there are several other guys
    I haven't seen who act like this.
    
    	I read in the paper after the first game with Phili, Barkley
    was taken out of the game early becuase he was so hiper!  Why?
    That is the question I want to be answered!  Then that Brooks
    fellow, going so crazy that he runs into the stands, over people
    then back onto the court.  The official had to hold him still.
    Why?  This is all very strange to me.  Is this what happens when
    someone is on cocain?  I don't know....maybe there is some out there
    who can answer this question....
    
    	In any rate...the Cavs will be a different team tonight...at
    home, favored by 4...they will win by 10!
                
             o
    	Go CAVS!
222.79Drugged Mafia REFS!!!?7983::RIEUStanley, won't you please come home!Tue May 01 1990 10:232
       Sounds like Meth to me!!!
                                       Denny
222.80GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsTue May 01 1990 10:242
    Who the heck is Morton?
    
222.81Here we go againBUILD::MORGANTue May 01 1990 11:2111
    Hal, get a clue.  Don't you think it's at all possible that the
    playoffs psyche a player so much, they tend to become more hyped than 
    normal?  If you had a date with Roseanne Barr and a week later one with
    Kathleen Turner, which one would excite you more?  On second thought,
    maybe I don't want to hear the answer to this one!  Bottom line is,
    players pick up the pace in the playoffs which is when the real season
    begins.
    
    As Mike said, Ehlo more suited to be a role player.
    
    					Steve
222.82LEVERS::STROUTTue May 01 1990 11:402
    	Oh BTW, Morton = Mahorn....  Did someone say Kathleen Turner's
    going to be at tonight's game?
222.83SASE::SZABOTue May 01 1990 12:255
222.84JULIET::MAY_BRGive me hope JohannaTue May 01 1990 12:315
    
    After reading the content of .78 and seeing the spelling, is that
    how someone who is on hallugens acts?
    
    Bruce
222.85GENRAL::GIBSONTue May 01 1990 13:289
    
    Beat me to it, Bruce.
    
    Face the facts, Whitehair, the Cavs are not a good team. They should be
    thankful they are in the East. If they were in the West, they would be
    watching the games on TV and miss out on the 1st round playoff money.
    
                                                   HOOT
    
222.86IAMOK::AHEARNRams vs. Bengals in SB XXVTue May 01 1990 14:248
    How many noters think it's time to give Whitehair a urine test?
    
    Is THAT how someone on cocaine acts?
    
    
    Frying minds want to know......
    
    Nelly
222.87CAM::WAYThere's no winners...only survivorsTue May 01 1990 15:1712
222.88I know! Mon.....ROULET::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Tue May 01 1990 15:2213
    
    	This should be an interesting game tonight!!!  I'd like to see
    how Barkley and crew behave infront of 30,000 CLEVELAND FANS!!!
    
    	I bet he calms his butt down!
    
    	I'll take the cup.....but......will Barkley, Mahorn or Brooks???
    
    
    	That is the question!
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!
222.89Thanks for the reminder, 'SawIAMOK::AHEARNRams vs. Bengals in SB XXVTue May 01 1990 15:2610
    Forgot this in my last reply......
    
    
    
    			:^)
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Nelly
222.90QUASER::JOHNSTONWonFarfugIsKnotEnuf! WhoIsTooBlam?!Tue May 01 1990 15:309
222.91LEVERS::STROUTTue May 01 1990 15:362
    	WHOOOA!  YOU NEED A T-O BABY!!!  8^) <--- smiley face c/o 'Sawster
                                                 
222.92AXIS::ROBICHAUDDockers...Pants for |CENSORED|sTue May 01 1990 16:185
    	You guys should lighten up on Hal.  He's been a Cleveland fan
    for so long he doesn't recognize the byproducts of *intensity* 
    8^)
    
    				/Don
222.93Byproducts.........../DonROULET::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Tue May 01 1990 16:2613
    
    Don,
    	And you call intensity.....running around uncontrollably, a
    person who has to be taken out of the game because the person can't
    control himself, a person who is so *high* that he runs into the
    third row of seats over spectators then even has to have the official
    hold him down...???  I question your remark!  Intensity?
    
    	To me, none of the above is very perfessional at all!
    
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!
222.94CAM::WAYThere's no winners...only survivorsTue May 01 1990 16:318
222.95re: HalsterLEVERS::STROUTTue May 01 1990 16:316
    	It's playoff time, dude.  Every player is playing with supra
    intensity.  Scrappiness wins games.  If that means diving into the
    third row for a loose ball then more powah to the player that does
    it.
    
    sean
222.96Stop, look yourself in the eye and say that.ROULET::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Tue May 01 1990 16:378
    
    Yea, but, you'd think that after running your head into a chair
    you would have to sit back and take another look at yourself...
    
    I still say this is abnormal!  
    
         o
    Go CAVS!
222.97GENRAL::GIBSONTue May 01 1990 17:164
    
    I can see why a Cavs fan would say Jordan is "running around
    uncontrollably" considering he is averaging around 50 ppg against
    them. Maybe they could try some defense, if they meet again (doubtfu).
222.98But he'll never do it again because he bumped his headBUILD::MORGANTue May 01 1990 17:2111
    It's a helluva lot more normal than throwin freakin' dog biscuits at a
    team of football players!
    
    Hal, have you ever seen a baseball player dive into the stands to make
    a catch?  I saw your pal Cory Snyder do it a week or two ago, and he made 
    an outstanding catch.  He must have been high as a kite right?  After all,
    who in their right mind would go diving into the third row of seats, to 
    help their team by catching a little round ball?!!!!!  I know.  Maybe
    he thought it was a rock of cocaine! :-) <---- (obligatory)
    
    					Steve
222.99QUASER::JOHNSTONWonFarfugIsKnotEnuf! WhoIsTooBlam?!Tue May 01 1990 17:449
   I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, but I am totally Rollwad!

   Funny Stuff!

   Mike JN

   PS Hal is going for the RCASO AWARD!
   LOOK YURSLEF IN TEH EYE AND SAY THAT! WON MAN IS KNOT TOO BLAM!

222.100Abby? Abby Normal?IAMOK::AHEARNRams vs. Bengals in SB XXVTue May 01 1990 18:0821
    To take Steve's comments one step further.....
    
    How normal is it to sign off on every football notes reply.....
    
    "ARF    ARF    ARF....."      
    
    :^)   <---- (obligatory smiley)
    
             or
    "WOOF   WOOF   WOOF...."
    
    Is it inappropriate to question if Halster may have been hit in the
    head with a stray dog biscuit the size of a chair?   :^)
    
    							  ^
    							  |
    			      (Another one of them there obligatories!!)
    
    
    Nelly
    
222.101CAM::WAYThere's no winners...only survivorsTue May 01 1990 18:3012
Hey, it ain't no big deal.

Ask any fan at the Pats Day Massacre.  I was a wild man.  I
was really getting intense.

I wasn't on drugs.  I was just being intense...  (what Hawk?,
shh, don't tell em that....Hawk....oh alright)

Well, hey, I did have a *few* beers....but really, that didn't
enter into my intensity....

'saw
222.102SASE::SZABOTue May 01 1990 18:375
222.103If you saw the game...you'd know!ROULET::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Wed May 02 1990 10:1514
    
    All I have to say is
    
    
    
    		I N   Y O U R   F A C E   ! ! ! ! ! !
    
    
    Read the Cavs note for details.....
    
    	If ya want a physical game......take the TREE!
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!
222.104GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsWed May 02 1990 10:3216
    I saw the game... The Cavs played better then they did in Philly, and
    didn't need the help they got from the noncalls. If Ehlo is allowed to
    knock people over to steal the ball on Thursday, the Sixers don't stand
    a chance. But I can't believe that it will be. The Sixers need to be
    able to take the ball in the paint,put up the shot, and go the the foul
    line on the bump. Last night, they just let them play on. One promising
    note is that Price will probably be suspended for a game for taking a
    swing at a Sixer again (this time it was Bob Thorton). I guess you
    can't foul little Markie. :*)
    
    Ohh well, it still only counts as one loss, and no matter how much
    hooting WHITEHAIR does, I'm pretty sure the Sixers still have a one
    game lead  *and* the home court advantage.
    
    Dennis
    
222.105Missed the game, TNT better be there tomorrow night!SNDCSL::HAUSRATHWho,Stones in '89. Zep in '90Wed May 02 1990 10:467
    
    Was Price ejected from the game?  Did he actually land the punch, or
    did he swing and miss?  
    
    I highly doubt he'll be suspended if he wasn't even ejected.  
    
    /Jeff
222.106No way!ROULET::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Wed May 02 1990 10:489
    	I can't beleive Price will be suspended for a game...In that
    instance he was driving toward the basket and the phili guy hits
    Price and pushes him to the ground.  A uncalled for push.  Price
    was pissed, but, he did not take a swing!  He was getting beat up
    the whole first half.  What do you expect?  If he goes out, then
    I would also throw out Barkley for his pushes, punches, and elbos!
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!
222.107Go for itBUILD::MORGANWed May 02 1990 10:5811
    Thanks for giving us a little less dramatic recap of the game, Dennis.
    Makes it a bit easier to understand.  Although, I do appreciate the
    comedic entries from Hal.
    
    Hal, take a couple dozen valium.  The E-net is corroding from the foam 
    dripping out of your mouth.  You should get yourself an agent and do
    one of those Gillette shaving commercials.  There's money to be gained.
    
    					Steve
    
    					
222.108GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsWed May 02 1990 11:0015
    After a hard foul by Thorton, Price got up and sung at Thorton. He
    missed (as did the officials who missed the whole thing). He wasn't
    ejected, but going by what Stern said going into the playoffs, Price
    should be history.
    
    As far as Barkley goes, when he pushes someone they call a foul. When
    he elbows someone they call a T (which hasn't happened in this series).
    And when he punches someone (like Laimbeer), he gets ejected and
    suspended (but he hasn't done that in this series either). Last night
    they took Barkley out of the game before he could get frustrated enough
    with the noncalls to throw any punches. Price, however, was not aken
    out before he threw a punch. Mark Price, his magic elbows and moving
    picks, is not exactly a model citizen.
    
    Dennis
222.109EARRTH::BROOKSThis note good while supplies last...Wed May 02 1990 11:2312
    I thought that Mark Price was supposed to be such a good Christian,
    paragon of virtue, ect ect ect ....
    
    yawn ....
    
    Litelocks, quit being a frontrunner. 18 hours ago, you wanted Ehlo
    run outta town on a rail. Now you're creaming your jeans over him.
    
    Yuck ....
    
    BTW, have you seen Ehlo sweat ? Man, him, Whitehair, and Dominque
    can drown a horse ... :-)
222.110Still 1-for-ever7983::RIEUStanley, won't you please come home!Wed May 02 1990 11:384
       Did the Cadavs win the Champeenship last night of sumpthin? I guess
    when you're favorite team has such an illustrious playoff record it
    doesn't take much to get excited.
                                   Denny
222.111DOCTP::TESSIERWho's on first? Bill Buckner!Wed May 02 1990 11:4812
Re. .108 --

Price got up and "sung at Thornton?"

Wow, that is low.  Singing in another guy's face is definitely reason
enough to be tossed from the game and possibly suspended for the
rest of the series.  Incidentally, what was he singing?  I'm surprized
Charles didn't come to his teammate's defense with a song of his own!

:)

Laker_Ken
222.112Did Sir Charles proteck Thorton? :-) SASE::SZABOWed May 02 1990 11:498
222.113My electrons are not as quick as Laker_Ken's, clearly!SASE::SZABOWed May 02 1990 11:511
    
222.114What does Thursday hold?STRATA::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Wed May 02 1990 12:1122
    
    	Once again....Price did not take a swing!!!  He sung his arm
    around and pointed at Thorton...thats all.
    
    	As for Ehlo goes.....I bet he would be traded if he had another
    performance like the other two.  He has his good days and his bad.
    In my mind, you really can't count on him.  I've seen too many bad
    games out of him.  I do think that there are other guards out there
    that could play a better and more consistant game.  Its the same
    as....if the Cavs would have lost...would they have gotten read
    of Lenny???  Your guess is as good as mine.  
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!
              
    
    	By the way, I just tell them as I see them!
    
    
    	Come on now, Price against Thorton???   thats like Barkley
    against the TREE!!!  No contest.  Barkley would be a fool to try
    and throw a punch at the TREE.
222.115Price WarblesCGVAX2::REEVEWed May 02 1990 12:148
    FWIW- Price is a noted songster, he's in the church choir and belts a
    pretty mean gospel. He's even been on TV singing hymns--Honest!!
    
    He's obviously learned how to turn the other cheek. Having the
    willpower to sing to your opponent when he's just tried to rip your
    face off requires incredible fortitude.;^)
    
    Chris
222.116IAMOK::AHEARNRams vs. Bengals in SB XXVWed May 02 1990 12:228
    I'd hate to see Barkley tangle with Tree.......Barkley's game would
    suffer severely after getting bitten by him!!!!
    
    
    Tree BITES!!!
    
    
    Nelly
222.117AXIS::ROBICHAUDDockers...Pants for |CENSORED|sThu May 03 1990 14:294
    	Man, did you see the way Mark Price was running around and trying
    to hit people?  I think a drug test would be in order.
    
    				/Don
222.118Good one on tapSNDCSL::HAUSRATHToo many projects, not enough timeThu May 03 1990 14:3910
    
    
    Soooo, I haven't heard anything about a suspension for Price.  Sure
    wish I could'a seen the alleged "punch".  
    
    Maybe he'll treat me to one tonight, TNT 8:00.  
    
    Dinz how about one more KOD, the checks in the (inter-office)mail.
    
    /Jeff
222.119COBRA::DINSMOREDid ya see Deidre in sports plus? baby!Thu May 03 1990 14:507
    ok, looks like a phila blowout tonight..
    
    sorry mike c, forgot the knickerbocker and laker kod yesterday
    
    
    dinz
    
222.120ROCK::GRONOWSKIthe dream is always the same...Thu May 03 1990 14:537
    
    
    The Cavs will not lose tonight.
    
    LA v.s. Houston is on TNT at 8pm so you can forget about watching the
    Cavs Jeff.
    
222.121LEVERS::STROUTno hero in your tragedy...Thu May 03 1990 15:231
    	... or the Bulls...
222.12229637::J_HERNANDEZAFool&amp;HisMoneyAreSoonPartying!!Thu May 03 1990 15:353
    I'll watch them all, they'll all be at the Dublin House.
    
    so NYAH, NYAH, NYAH!!!
222.123Cavs will smoke'em!!!ROULET::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Thu May 03 1990 16:177
    The big basketbrawl game tonight......my paper said that it will
    be on......if your not sure and you want to make sure you watch
    it.......I can be bribed with some beers!!!!!  :-)
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!
222.124LEVERS::STROUTno hero in your tragedy...Thu May 03 1990 16:202
    	Ok, I give up Hal.  Was Basketbrawl Pee Wee's word for the week
    or what?  8^)
222.125OK, we get the hint. Now go away.VAXWRK::NEEDLEThu May 03 1990 16:220
222.126Boy, and I thought I was being ignored...ROULET::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Thu May 03 1990 16:2622
    
    
    	nooooooo, Its just the kind of basketball Phily likes to play...
    but....if you notice....when the table is turned.....WHAAAAAA is
    all we hear.  I'm just looking forward to the game!  After the game
    on Tuesday, I expect more of the same...alot of slamming in the
    paint!  Someone will surely get pissed off!  I hope the TREE gets
    another chance at playing!!!
    
    	This will probibly be the most physical game of the series.
    
    	Talked to a few Celtic fans today and boy o boy....what babies!
    And they thought Ewing was pushing.....?  Watch this game tonight
    and
    
    			I N   Y O U R   F A C E 
    
    
    		it will be!
    
         o
    Go CAVS!
222.127LEVERS::STROUTno hero in your tragedy...Thu May 03 1990 16:306
    	I didn't see game 3, so I'm not sure how it compared to the
    physicalness of game 2.  I expect a closer game than last time,
    Barkley will probably take charge early so things don't get too
    out of control. 
    
    	Cain't predict who's going to win this one, though.
222.128Cleveland by *only* 2.....??????ROULET::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Thu May 03 1990 16:3514
    Physical activity.....game comparison....
    
    Game 1:  unknown.......did not see.
    
    Game 2:  Phily acted like a bunch of annimals.
    
    Game 3:  Cavs take over the paint and put the philies on the ground.
    
    Game 4:  Same as game 3!
    
    Game 5:  ???????????????
    
    
    
222.129Earth To Whitehair ???SHALOT::HUNTA single ping please, Vasily.Thu May 03 1990 16:4022
   >> Physical activity.....game comparison....
   >> 
   >> Game 1:  unknown.......did not see.
   >> 
   >> Game 2:  Phily acted like a bunch of annimals.
   >> 
   >> Game 3:  Cavs take over the paint and put the philies on the ground.
   >> 
   >> Game 4:  Same as game 3!
   >> 
   >> Game 5:  ???????????????
    
    Kinda reminds me of Bill Murray making his Oscar predictions.
    
    Apocalypse Now ???	Didn't see it.
    
    Deer Hunter ???	Didn't see it.
    
    Norma Rae ???	Too much Sally Field.  Sally, get a life,
    			willya, babe ???
    
    Bob Hunt
222.130GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsThu May 03 1990 19:4311
    Gee Hal... I think you've taken the same stuff as Mark Price. Chill
    out, dude.
    
    I would be amazed if they officials don't call a tight game early to
    eliminate some of the BS  that went on in game 2 and 3. If they don't
    call it closer, look for a fight, because neither team seems to be in a
    position to back down. If the Sixers respond like they have earlier in
    the season to that kind of loss, they should win by about 10 points.
    
    Dennis
    
222.131It's all even upSNDCSL::HAUSRATHToo many projects, not enough timeFri May 04 1990 10:174
    
    Thanks again Dinz, now who do you like in tomorrows match-up.  
    
    /Jeff
222.132ROCK::GRONOWSKIthe dream is always the same...Fri May 04 1990 11:033
    
    
    Jeff, its in the bag now...
222.133COBRA::DINSMOREDid ya see Deidre in sports plus? baby!Fri May 04 1990 11:558
    
    a definite  cleveland blow out
    
    
    go sixers [fingers crossed]
    
    dinz
    
222.134LUNER::BROOKSThis note good while supplies last...Fri May 04 1990 13:053
    Dinz, you're putting the Dinz curse on the Sixers dammit !
    
    Root for Cleveland !
222.135But, Does it really matter?SNDCSL::HAUSRATHToo many projects, not enough timeFri May 04 1990 17:013
    
    
    Looks to me like he jinxed them both, Doc.  
222.136Sixers Win !!!GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsSun May 06 1990 21:3029
    
    The Sixers crushed the Cavs 113-97. The cavs were never really in the
    game after the first quarter. At halftime the Cavs were down by 10 and
    never put on a big run in the 2nd half. The Cavs looked whipped. Hersey
    Hawkins had 39 points, while Charles had 18 points and 19 rebounds. The
    sell out crowd had the Spectrum rocking and rolling, as Barkley told
    his teamated before the game that we will not allow any layups. And
    they didn't. The NBA had three veteran officials there and it showed.
    There were 26 fouls called on both teams, with the Sixers shooting 38
    free throws to the Cavs 39. The missed calls (with the exception of
    moving picks) seemed to be pretty even.
    
    For Richfield, Daugherty and Williams did the most damage (25 and 20
    points, respectively). The guards were pretty much a non factor for the
    Cavs.
    
    Now it's on to Chicago. The general concensus from the media I've heard
    around the city is that the Sixers match up better with Chicago that
    with Richfield, but I'm not buying that. I think the home court
    advantage is too big a thing in the NBA (todays Knicks game
    notwithstanding) to be ignored. I think the Bulls will win in 7 games,
    but I hoping for the Sixers in 6. I would really love to see the Auburn
    Hills Rumble, Part II.
    
    Oh well... I hope tomorrow's game is on TNT because I'll be away from
    Philadelphia and won't be able to see the local telecast.
    
    Dennis
                                           
222.137Not a basketball team at all!LUDWIG::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Mon May 07 1990 10:082
    
    	How can you be proud of a team that plays like that???
222.138Just wonderingSNDCSL::HAUSRATHToo many projects, not enough timeMon May 07 1990 11:576
    
    Can someone from Philly explain to me the lack of enthusiam shown by
    the city for the Sixers?  After the year they've had you would think 
    they'd be selling out playoff games, even if its the first round.  
    
    /Jeff
222.139ROCK::GRONOWSKIthe dream is always the same...Mon May 07 1990 12:222
    
    Could explain why Katz wants to move the team to New Jersey.
222.140GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsMon May 07 1990 14:2411
    The only game of the series that wasn't a sell out was game one. Game 2
    and five were sold out. I think the city is very much behind the 76ers.
    The reason Katz is talking about moving to Jersey is strictly $$$$. He
    wants big time concessions from the city and state regarding taxes and
    other business stuff.
    
    Ohh... BTW Hal, we here in Philadelphia are very proud of our team. The
    know how to win a deciding game in a series
    
    Dennis
    
222.141Sixers - BullsUPWARD::HEISERgive me 7 pillars of wisdomMon May 07 1990 14:4543
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: NBA Playoff Capsules

                  Eastern Conference Semifinals
                        Philadelphia 76ers
	Coach -- Jim Lynam.
	Finish -- 53-29 overall; 2-2 vs. Chicago.
	Previous round -- Defeated Cleveland in five games, winning all
three times at the Spectrum.
	Starters -- sf-Charles Barkley (25.6 ppg, 14.0 rpg); pf-Rick Mahorn
(10.8 ppg, 9.2 rpg); c-Mike Gminski (9.2 ppg, 5.6 rpg); pg-Johnny
Dawkins (12.4 ppg, 10.2 apg); og-Hersey Hawkins (27.2 ppg, 2.6 apg).
	Bench -- f-Ron Anderson (10.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg), g-Scott Brooks (2.2
ppg, 2.0 apg).
	Key stat -- Philadelphia was 8-24 during the regular season when it
trailed at halftime but 2-2 in the playoffs, holding an advantage at
intermission only in Game 5 against Cleveland.
	Outlook -- Hawkins has established himself as a force to be reckoned
with, Barkley remains a power on the inside and Gminski should have
fewer problems dealing with Bill Cartwright than he did with Brad
Daugherty. But loss of Derek Smith, who played in only one game of the
Cleveland series because of tendinitis in his left knee, robs
Philadelphia of a key weapon off the bench.
                          Chicago Bulls
	Coach -- Phil Jackson.
	Finish -- 55-27 overall, 2-2 vs. Philadelphia.
	Previous round -- Defeated Milwaukee 3-1.
	Starting lineup -- sf-Scottie Pippen (22.5 ppg, 9.3 rpg); pf-Horace
Grant (15.0 ppg, 9.5 rpg); c-Bill Cartwright (9.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg); pg-John
Paxson (8.0 ppg, 3.0 apg); og-Michael Jordan (36.8 ppg, 7.0 apg).
	Bench -- pf Stacey King (5.3 ppg, 4.5 rpg).
	Key stat -- The Bulls are 38-5 at Chicago Stadium this season,
including 2-0 in the playoffs.
	Outlook -- Pippen averaged just below a triple-double in the first
round, providing some much-needed offensive firepower to help Jordan.
Despite going four games with some hard takedowns, the first round
wasn't much of a struggle for the Bulls. The team also has had three
days to rest up for the 76ers. The much-maligned bench, however, will
have to contribute for the team to have a chance. Both Philadelphia and
Chicago won twice at home this season and that trend should continue in
the playoffs.


222.142Better off in the Army!ROULET::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Mon May 07 1990 14:543
    
    Philly game only sold out 30 min before game time.....what does
    that say????
222.143LEVERS::STROUTno hero in your tragedy...Mon May 07 1990 15:0035
    	Thanks for that article, Mike.  
                 
    	I don't know how much I agree with the bench being THAT much
    of a factor for either team.  I see the key factor being the matchups
    of the starting five and who is going to have the advantage offensively
    and defensively.
    
    	I'm not sure of what position Barkley plays (is it power forward
    or shooting forward???).  I think their going to have to create
    a special position for him. 8^)  Anyways, I would guess that the matchups
    will look something like:
    
    Cartwright - Gminski
    Pippen - Barkley
    Grant - Mahorn
    Jordan - Hawkins/Dawkins
    Paxson -       "
    
    What's this about Chicago's "much-maligned bench" anyways?  As far
    as I know Hodges is back playing, and Chicago has King, Nealy and
    Armstrong as reserves that will definitely see playing time.  
    
    For Chicago to win this thing, they are going to have to play a
    good inside defensive game and crash the boards.  Offensively,
    Pippen and Grant/Cartwright are going to have to perform along
    with Michael.  Chicago is 38-2 at home minus Detroit.  If they don't
    choke they can win this thing in the long run. 
    
    Philadelphia would be best to not concentrate solely on stopping
    Jordan.  If they can deny Chicago an inside game and can rebound
    well, they should be well off.  Both teams like a faster paced tempo,
    so 5+ point leads may not last long, or assure anything going down
    the stretch.
    
    sean
222.144EARRTH::BROOKSFishbones,rattles,Browns,CavsMon May 07 1990 16:2810
    re .142
    
    It says that Philly can sell out it's second round games ! Or
    that maybe I can go to 'em !
    
    BTW, how many games will the Cads sell out in Round 2 ?
    
    HAHAHAHA !!!!!!
    
    Doc
222.145Well, its like this...ROULET::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Mon May 07 1990 16:418
    
    	Brooks,
    
    	*If* the Cavs had gone to the 2nd round...they would have
    sold them all out!  With no problems...
    
    	Hal
    
222.146that's a BIG IFUPWARD::HEISERgive me 7 pillars of wisdomMon May 07 1990 16:501
    
222.147GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsMon May 07 1990 20:117
    Richfield was sold out for none of the first round games, while the
    Philadelphia sold out the spectrum for two of the three home dates.
    From what I hear today, the first two home dates for the Bulls are sold
    out. The first round of the playoffs have typically not been big
    sellers in the Philadelphia area.
    
    Dennis
222.148pretty sorry if it's true!UPWARD::HEISERgive me 7 pillars of wisdomMon May 07 1990 21:334
    I remember hearing they didn't sellout the year Malone & Dr. won it all
    (1983).
    
    Mike
222.149CAM::WAYSeize the day!Tue May 08 1990 10:071
Chicago won, fwiw, 95-86 or something like that....
222.150CNTROL::CHILDSand remember always use your elbowsTue May 08 1990 10:3018
    
    a playoff game against the Bucks a few years back only drew 6800+
    fans. One good thing though is when they do show up they certainly
    know how to make noise unlike "Gang Green", who act like the Celts
    must earn their applause.....
    
    Like Saw said Chicago 93 76'ers 85 last night. Dawkins was very
    tenative and Hawkins couldn't put it in the ocean. Barkley has 30
    points and 20 boards. Michael had 39 while Pippen had close to
    20 with 12 assists and 9 boards......
    
    Scotty is star is shining brighter and brighter with each game. Him
    and Michael had close 10 steals between them also....
    
    Still as good as the Bulls played, the Sixers had chances all night.
    Jackson must be a little worried....
    
    mike
222.151On PippenWNDMLL::SCHNEIDEROh+Tue May 08 1990 15:0313
    >Scotty is star is shining brighter and brighter with each game. Him
    >and Michael had close 10 steals between them also....
    
    What's Chicago's future with Pippen.  I could see them just bagging the
    idea of a traditional point guard.  Pippen from the small forward spot
    and Jordan could together handle running the offense.  Micheal needs a
    Paxson-type shooting guard in the offense much more than he needs a
    penetrate/dish guy.
    
    I wonder why Pippen has waited until the playoffs to really play big. 
    Is it a new offensive scheme for the Bulls?
    
    Dan
222.152wide open, incomingCNTROL::CHILDSand remember always use your elbowsTue May 08 1990 16:066
    
    Maybe he being Pippen went to the James Worthy school of lackadasical
    season play? Also lots of guys love to shine on national TV makes for
    great leverage come contract time.....
    
    mike
222.153Pippen is a Player with a capital PAKOV06::DCARRTime for a CHANGE! (Dump JR)Tue May 08 1990 16:2814
    re: -2, Youze guys obviously haven't had to struggle against Mr. Pippen
    in a fantasy league all year, so let me be the first to tell you that
    Scottie Pippen had a PHENOMENAL year for the Bulls.  In fact, I had him
    ranked in my top 20 (ranking across Pts, Ass, Reb, Blk, Stl)
    practically the whole year long...
    
    In fact, Newc, the guy who picked him in our league, was second, based
    largely on the contributions of his "Pippen, Patrick, Porter" combo.
    Scottie can play.   (And, he is also to be remembered because the "good
    Doctor M." chose, I believe, Chris Morris over Scottie Pippen, and
    regretted it all year long during his trip to the cellar - sorry Doc
    :-)
    
    ML
222.154LEVERS::STROUTno hero in your tragedy...Tue May 08 1990 16:365
    	ML's right...  Pippen was on the All-Star team don't forget
    (and it wasn't because he was Jordan's teammate).  He had a great
    season playing in the shadow of Michael.
    
    sean
222.155Sixers in 6!!PHLACT::VIVIANTue May 08 1990 17:0110
    	Well I hate to break it to you guy's, but I think the Bull's are
    going to need alot more than just Jordan and Pippen to beat the Sixers.
    The Sixers shot only 38% last night from the floor and you won't see
    them do that alot.  Barkley came out in the paper today and told the
    press that the Sixers played like hell and if he teamates didn't want
    to play to "get out", so look for a big performance from THUMP & BUMP
    and the crew Wed night.
    
    Steve
    Philadelphia ACT
222.156Steve, watch out, the Apostrophe Police is watching! :-) SASE::SZABOTue May 08 1990 17:111
    
222.157DOCTP::TESSIERWho's on first? Bill Buckner!Tue May 08 1990 17:119
The ultimate downfall of the Sixers this year will be the inexperience
of their guards.  If it doesn't kill them in this series, you can be
sure it will get them against Detroit.  Last night it really showed.
Neither Hawkins nor Dawkins could hit anything from outside.  After 
a while, Dawkins had lost so much confidence that even when the Bulls
left him wide open from '15, he would turn it down and try to drive
to the hoop in traffic.  No knock on either one of these guys; I
think they both have bright futures ahead of them, but right now they
just don't have the requisite playoff experience.
222.158James regular season: consistent All Star starterWNDMLL::SCHNEIDERI will not instigate revolution.Tue May 08 1990 17:5213
    >re: -2, Youze guys obviously haven't had to struggle against Mr. Pippen
    >in a fantasy league all year, so let me be the first to tell you that
    >Scottie Pippen had a PHENOMENAL year for the Bulls.
    
    Actually, ML, I own Scottie in my rotis. league.  Unlike James, who
    uses his head to dissect the opponents and who is a more necessary part
    of the offense against NBA playoff-level defense, but who is just
    really doing the same things, Pippen has expanded his role in these
    playoffs.  Never before have I seen him with the ball in his hands as
    much as a playmaker, and he's taking the ball to the hoop with
    authority much moreso than at any other time over his career.
    
    Dan
222.159definately an LA ragCNTROL::CHILDSand remember always use your elbowsTue May 08 1990 18:1116
    
    All Star Starter big deal DaN, It's a popularity contest. AC was a
    starter he deserved it right? Worthy also use a mean travel and shove
    with his off arm ala Kareem to dissect his opponents. 
    
    I got a question for you, do you write for Inside Sports?
    
    they latest issue has all time rankings in all sports and they rated
    Wilt #1 and Magic #2. Reason for Magic's rating was they called him
    the ultimate winner with 5 championships in 10 years. Seems to me
    Russell won 11 in 13 now that's the ultimate winner. Russell was rated
    I think #7 as a good player on a fast break team.
    
    even worst was hockey were Bobby Orr did even rate......
    
    mike 
222.160Jerry West = the best Lakers guard ever.SASE::SZABOTue May 08 1990 18:2714
222.161Admit it: dreaming about Magic, you wish Worthy wear a C instead of WawwyHOTSHT::SCHNEIDERI will not instigate revolution.Tue May 08 1990 18:3719
    >I'm surprised the man has held up as well as he did after all those
    >championship losses.  I'd be on thorazine.  Jerry did say that the
    >recent Laker championships made up for the losses he's experienced, but
    >you could tell that deep down, he still feels the pain. 

There was a good article in Sports Illustrated just a few weeks ago about
this.  Yes, Jerry West still feels the pain, and he'll always feel the pain.  For
all the confidence he showed taking big games into his own hands many
a time, it really seems he lacks confidence and is the ultimate pessimist.
I sympathize with him also.

Mike,  do you think if they called traveling on what James does, and the
way James uses this alleged forearm bash (boy, you never stop coming
up with them, do you?) that if they called the rules as they exist on McHale,
would he have a post-up moved.  McHale leads the league every year
in changing pivot feet without being called, but you stoop down to critisize 
Worthy for something he does about twice a year.

Dan
222.162Talk about forearms!DOCTP::TESSIERWho's on first? Bill Buckner!Tue May 08 1990 21:196
    The forearm bash is really a funny one, especially coming from a Bird
    fan.  When Bird clears out a defender before putting up his outside
    shot, it resembles that straight-arm that Otis Anderson used to flatten
    a Raider defender in the last gamef this past season for the Giants.
    
    Laker_Ken
222.163One man's spellchecker is no too BLAM!JULIET::MAY_BRGive me hope JohannaTue May 08 1990 22:463
    re .161
    
    Did Hal get into Dan's spellchecker again?
222.164Jimmy's game last night gave me enough ammo for a year..CNTROL::CHILDSand remember always use your elbowsWed May 09 1990 10:199
    
    cmon Dan twice a year? More like twice a quarter. I don't deny that
    the Celts break the rules too everybody does and it's a shame. What
    used to be such an enjoyable game to watch is becoming trash.
    
    give me the college game anyday....
    
    mike
    
222.165Go-Home Szabo!PHLACT::VIVIANWed May 09 1990 13:268
    re: .156
    To: Szabo "the Apostroph police man"
    
    	If your going to be checking everyones grammar why don't you go to
    the literature notes and swap conversations with other grammar nuts, 
    like yourself, this note is for people who want to talk hoops.
    
    Steve 
222.166easy does it......SASE::SZABOJust say YES to freakin' lunaticism!Wed May 09 1990 13:3812
222.16715436::LEFEBVRESt. Barths: No tan lines allowedWed May 09 1990 13:503
    ...but you can call me John.
    
    Mark.
222.168..but you can't call me late for dinner!GENRAL::WADEGo Broons!Wed May 09 1990 14:141
    
222.169Another Freakin' Lunatic to the Rescue....CAM::WAYSeize the day!Wed May 09 1990 15:2814
222.170MCIS1::DHAMELDale gives Hunters a bad nameWed May 09 1990 15:587
    
    Full moon tonight, you freakin' lunatics!
    
    The faint of heart should stay off the streets.  Be warned.
    
    Dickster
    
222.171looks like we're in for nasty weather!GENRAL::WADEGo Broons!Wed May 09 1990 16:256
    re. full moon
    
    Yeah, C'saw is growing hair on his palms......or is that because
    of something besides the full moon?  
    
    Claybone..8-)
222.172MCIS1::DHAMELDale gives Hunters a bad nameWed May 09 1990 16:528
    
    The few.  The proud.  The Freakin' lunatics.
    
    Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many
    to so few.
    
    Dickster
    
222.173Go Sixers!PHLACT::VIVIANWed May 09 1990 17:304
    Hey Lunatics,
    	Sixers in 6
    
    Steve
222.174Atta BABY Steve! You're learnin'!SASE::SZABOJust say YES to freakin' lunaticism!Wed May 09 1990 17:321
    
222.175Who ya gonna call? The Freakin' Lunatics!CAM::WAYSeize the day!Wed May 09 1990 18:0410
Geez -Dickster, yer startin' to sound like ol' Winston there.

If you come out with that quote about blood, tears, toil, and sweat,
why I just might get all choked up...


the Freakin' Lunatics....they serve who only stand and wait...


Chainsaw
222.176MCIS1::DHAMELDale gives Hunters a bad nameWed May 09 1990 18:326
    
    Yeah, 'saw, I remember that group with David Clayton Thomas.  Boy,
    did he sweat or what?
    
    Dickster
    
222.177CAM::WAYSeize the day!Wed May 09 1990 18:352
Yeah, and Lew Soloff the trumpet player used to bleed like
a stuck pig....
222.178MCIS1::DHAMELDale gives Hunters a bad nameWed May 09 1990 18:464
    
    What was the drummers name, you know, the one who used to cry a
    lot?
    
222.179Armstrong is meatCSC32::J_MANNINGOnly Amiga Makes it PossibleThu May 10 1990 00:284
    Well,  I bet Jack Armstrong is not a very popular guy in Philadelphia
    right now...  I belive those were the first 2 charging calls that I
    have seen in all the playoff games that I have watched...
    
222.180Scores????????ELMAGO::RBARELAThu May 10 1990 00:334
    Any word on the game for us night shifters???????????
        
    thanks
    rb
222.181scoresCSC32::J_MANNINGOnly Amiga Makes it PossibleThu May 10 1990 00:341
    Bulls 101  Sixers  96.
222.182Chicago 1, Officials 1, Sixers 0!PHLACT::VIVIANThu May 10 1990 10:2014
    Can you say "HIGHWAY ROBBERY".  Them officials were unbelievable last
    night.  I'm not one to cry about the officials but they were bad. 
    The bad calls that lead to a Sixer's loss:
       1. Offensive foul called on Charles. 
       2. Technical on Mahorn. For what!!!
       3. No jump ball when Hawkins and Jordan both clearly had the ball.
       4. Jordan's foot was three feet out of bounds when he made that save
    	  underneath the Sixer's basket.
    This all goes to support what everyones been saying all play-off long:
    "The officials give the calls to the home team".
    
    Steve 
    One pissed-off Sixers fan.
    (Better pissed-off than pissed-on)
222.183Jordan (one man team)ROULET::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Thu May 10 1990 10:3010
    
    	Oh come on now........the officials?????
    
    	I can't beleive such a thing!  Not in Chicago!
    
    	Stop crying,
    		    Thats the way it is!.....
    
    	Hal, one who knows the officials in Chicago...
    
222.184The distributive property ... I think.SHALOT::MEDVIDWords are very unnecessary...Thu May 10 1990 10:3215
    Vivian=Whitehair
    
    Whitehair=WaaWaaWaa
    
    Therefore:
    
    Vivian=WaaWaaWaa ;-)
    
    But seriously, I agree that the offensive foul on Barkley was a
    stretch.  However, Jordan was not out of bounds when he released the
    ball...but I only saw the replay; was watching the Bucs crush the Reds
    on ESPN.  I need one of those Smothers Brothers TVs.
    
    	--dan'l
    
222.185The incredible Michael JordanCNTROL::CHILDSand remember always use your elbowsThu May 10 1990 11:0614
    
    while the officiating did stink, the Bulls deserve credit for turning
    up the defense and forcing the Sixers to the perimeter where they
    didn't deliever. Michael showed why he is the most dominating
    player in the game. Like DOug said when he's hitting that outside
    shot he's impossible to stop, you are at his mercy. Bulls bench 
    deserves a lot credit also.
    
    Boy, is Giminski weak defensively or what? Getting taken to school time
    and time again by a rookie. Shame on you Mike.....
    
    Lakers clearly number 2 on the refs list now.....
    
    mike
222.186PHLACT::VIVIANThu May 10 1990 11:279
    Michael Jordan is the best player I've ever seen, but that game last
    night wasn't decided by the Bulls defense.  That offensive foul turned
    the whole game around.  It gave Charles his 4th foul (second offensive)
    and made him go to the bench.  When Charles went to the bench the Bulls
    outscored the Sixers 23-7.  Not because of the defense, but because
    Charles wasn't on the floor.  You seen what happened to the Bulls when
    Jordan goes to the bench, there offense is stagnent.
    
    steve
222.187standing by what I saidCNTROL::CHILDSand remember always use your elbowsThu May 10 1990 11:4710
    
    The lead was 3 when Charles went to the bench. The Bulls had chopped
    8 off of Philly's halftime lead. The Sixers couldn't get the ball 
    inside during the comeback and Charles was on the floor. Granted
    it might not have happen as fast as it did if Charles had remained
    on the floor but it was going to happen of that I have no doubt.
    Why? Because of the defense and Michael being unstoppable at the
    other end....
    
    mike
222.188GENRAL::WADEGo Broons!Thu May 10 1990 12:1910
    Steve,
    
    	You asked why Mahorn got a T.  I think it is due to their
    	*rough* play in their previous series.  One of the league
    	higher ups was in attendance.  The officials probably felt
    	compelled, due to his presence, to call a T on the first
    	76er to put somebody on the floor.  I'm not bashing the
    	76ers, just giving my opinionated answer to your question.......
    
    Claybone
222.189RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JOgoodfood,gooddrink,broads,BruinsThu May 10 1990 13:0314
    I don't complain or blame officials, but if I ever thought a game
    might have a fix in, last night's would be it.  The Bulls 'comeback'
    was fueled by some very, very shakey officiating.  Never mind the
    offensive fouls that weren't, but what about Will Perdue moving
    both pivot feet, pushing off, and not getting called for anything,
    right after the Refs called offensive fouls on the Sixers.  Not
    to mention Micheals save, where he moved his feet while on the ground
    - he was traveling.  Unreal.  The fack that all the calls came in
    a short period of time really had me wondering.  
    
    Oh well, gotta hope the Sixers can get some home cooking officiating
    the next two games.
    
    JD
222.190PHLACT::VIVIANThu May 10 1990 13:503
    Finally somebody agrees with me!
    
    Steve
222.191GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsThu May 10 1990 14:4321
    After the "offensive fouls" on Charles, he wouldn't go inside. It took
    the Sixers out of the flow for their offense. Defensively, the Sixers
    seemed to drift off after the exchange midway through the third period.
    They seemed to have lost their concentration on the defensive end.
    
    Jordan is an amazing player, but I've come to agree with Lenny Wilkens.
    Jordan gets too much of the benifit of the doubt on calls. He has made
    plays after stepping out of bounds twice in this series, he travels
    with the ball constantly, and about 50% of the time on his moves to the
    hoop, the first this he does is clear out with his free hand. With
    jordn getting this advantage, I think it detracts from any comparison
    to mere mortals who are bound by NBA rules.
    
    One last thing - If they are going to call that bullshit offensive foul
    stuff on Charles, they should take a look at what Cartwright does at
    the offensive end. Except for one move last night, Cartwright lowers
    his shoulder and bulls Gminski out of the way. Real tough to defend
    against that.
    
    Dennis
     
222.192Stop your crying!!!STRATA::WHITEHAIRDon't just sit there.......Do it now!Thu May 10 1990 15:0613
    
    Oh come on now.....will you guys stop crying about the officials!!!
    
    I'm really sick of it!  What a bunch of babys!  Thats right.....
    the officials are the reason the 76ers lost the game!  HeHeHeHe
    Give me a break!  The team shouldn't have let the game be so close
    so the the officials could have any say in the game!
    
    Isn't that what you all tell me???
    
    
    	Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
    
222.193LEVERS::STROUTno hero in your tragedy...Thu May 10 1990 15:133
    	Can't you tell Hal is loving this?  8^)
    
    sean
222.194CNTROL::CHILDSand remember always use your elbowsThu May 10 1990 15:1910
    
    Dennis, sure Michael gets more than his share of the calls but he is
    not alone. All superstars of the game get them and the hometown always
    comes out ahead.....
    
    plenty of guys out there traveling, palming and 3 seconding there way
    to fame and fortune....
    
    mike
    
222.195Have the Cads beaten Philly in a playoff series ?LUNER::BROOKSFishbones,rattles,Browns,CavsThu May 10 1990 15:413
    Whitehair, why don't go somewhere and watch the Cavs ?
    
    HAHAHAHAAAAAA !!!!!!
222.196give it a restBSS::MENDEZThu May 10 1990 16:1610
    I am mostly a read only noter except when the 9ers are playing.
     
    Whitehair does have a point, you guys (especially Brooks) rank on him 
    mercilessly for whining about the officials.  Why can't you just let
    him have his fun???
    
    By the way Dr. Midnight, where are you watching the Rockets play these
    days? Smiley doo dad goes here
    
    Frank "mmd"  
222.197GENRAL::WADEGo Broons!Thu May 10 1990 16:224
    
    	I believe it's called, "What goes 'round, comes 'round."
    
    	Claybroon
222.199weeping and NASHingAUNTB::HAASsame as talking to youFri May 11 1990 15:578
6er news:

o John Nash, GM, resigned. Evidently, he waffled on this but it was leaked
so he decided to go ahead and quit.

o Philly favored by 6 tonight. TNT, 8pm.

TTom
222.200Dr. JPNO::HEISERgive me 7 pillars of wisdomFri May 11 1990 17:1351
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (C.J. HWU, UPI Sports Writer)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Dr. J. happy to be Mr. Erving
Date: 9 May 90 17:57:25 GMT
 
 UPI SportsFeature
                              ------
	NEW YORK (UPI) -- Three years after skywalking away from a
successful practice, Dr. J has no regrets.
	Julius Erving will always be Dr. J to basketball fans, even though
he has tried to make the distinction between the two personas.
	Erving has said in the past, ``I've never gone anywhere and
introduced myself as Dr. J.'' And yet, when asked for an autograph last
week at the NBA office in Manhattan, it was the Doctor and not Julius
Erving who obliged with a message of love and peace.
	Erving was an All-Star for every one of the 15 years he played
professional basketball, either in the ABA or NBA. He's the only player
to win Most Valuable Player awards, team and dunking championships in
both leagues. He is the third-leading scorer in pro basketball history,
and Erving, perhaps more than any other player, was responsible for the
1976 ABA-NBA merger.
	Despite his long and colorful career, Erving claims he has not
missed the game since his retirement three years ago.
	``Not one day,'' he said. ``I haven't missed playing one day.''
	Erving also claims he doesn't watch the pro game much these days.
However, he did admit to watching some of the Cleveland-Philadelphia
series in the opening round of the playoffs. The 76ers, he said, are
defintely contenders for the NBA title.
	``I've been out of basketball three years now,'' said Erving, ``and
it's taken the team three years to get back to where it was. And now
it's close to there, which is good.''
	Erving's pro career began with the ABA's Virginia Squires in 1970,
when he signed while still a junior at the University of Massachusetts.
In 1973, the Long Island native came home to play for the then New York
Nets. After three years with the Nets, Erving was traded to
Philadelphia, where he ended his career in 1987.
	While he didn't invent the dunk, his moves paved the way for the
Michael Jordans of today. ``See the fantastic Dr. J,'' proclaimed
advertisements for the 1976 Nets. Later that year, when he was traded to
Philadelphia, Nets fans demanded refunds for their season tickets.
	Although he helped create a resurgence of popularity in the NBA
with his incomparable body control and improvisational drives, Erving is
perturbed by the entertainment focus of today's game.
	``One thing I guess might be a little disturbing to me,'' he said,
``is the fact that some aspects of the entertainment part of the game
are in the forefront of players' thinking. I'm tempted to say the
coaches' thinking as well, and sometimes it's counter-productive.
	``You know, when I see a guy run nine rows into the stands, when
three rows will do, I gotta think he's trying to get on the highlight
film.''
	_a_d_v_._ _f_o_r_ _w_e_e_k_e_n_d_ _r_e_l_e_a_s_e_ _M_a_y_ _1_2_-_1_3
222.201REFINE::ASHEHomer,Marge,Bart,Lisa,Maggie,OJMon May 14 1990 14:351
    Doesn't look very good, does it?
222.202GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsMon May 14 1990 15:1426
    Yep.. It looks like the gas tank is empty. Barkley looks exhausted out
    there and his foul shooting is proof of that. The Sixers are really
    missing Derek Smith, who could give them quality minutes of the bench
    and match up pretty nice on Jordan.
    
    The Spectrum crowd was really going yesterday. Every time Jordan
    walked, they got on the officials terribly.  :*)
    
    	Jordan is really something. He's relly deceptively stong. On one
    drive yesterday he cleared out Chrles not once but twice with his off
    hand on the way to the hoop. I didn't think it would be that easy to
    clear Barkley out, but Jordan really did a job on him. With plays like
    that he'll be tough for the Pistons to stop.
    
    The other problem with the Sixers this weekend is that they didn't get
    physical enough with the Bulls. They allowed Nealy and Purdue to hammer
    on them inside without hammering back. I'm pretty sure there were more
    Sixers on the floor than Bulls. The way the Sixers play, they cannot
    win when they allow that type of situation to occur.
    
    Mahorn (knee) and Smith (knee) are both questionable for Wednesday,
    while Gminski (back) and Hawkins (back) are both probable. But I'm
    afraid the train will stop on Wednesday.
    
    Dennis
    
222.203Address of 76ers officeWJO::MCGEEMon May 14 1990 17:5212
I'm hoping someone knows/can find out the address of the 76ers office
in Philly.  I played for Jim Lynam in college and want to drop
him a note, but I wanted to be a little more specific than 
		Phila. '76ers,
		Phily PA.

If anyone knows the address I'd appreciate a reply either in the notes file
or to me directly at WJOUSM::MCGEE.

Thanks in advance,

Bill McGee
222.204Sixers offices at The Vet34578::HUNTRose goes in the front, big guy ...Mon May 14 1990 18:0813
The Sixers office is at ...

Philadelphia 76ers Basketball Club
Philadelphia Veterans Memorial Stadium
Broad and Pattison Streets
Philadelphia, PA ?????

Yes, the Sixers offices are at The Vet.  They're across the street from
The Spectrum.

You played for Lynam ???  At St. Joseph's ???  What year(s) ???

Bob Hunt
222.205WJO::MCGEEMon May 14 1990 18:3611
Thanks for the address and the quick reply.

>>You played for Lynam ???  At St. Joseph's ???  What year(s) ???

Yes, I played for Lynam, but not at St Joe's.  He was head coach at
Fairfield Univ. (in Ct.) for a few years (1968- early '70's) and I was on the 
1968/69 team.  Lousy record.  Couldn't get us to play Philly style ball.
Majority of team was from Mass./NY-NJ metro/Washington D.C. areas.  Only
2 guys from Philly.  Hard to teach new (patterned) style to guys who are used 
to mostly 1 on 1, 2 on 2 freestyle type of play.
222.206TURKEY::J_HALPINTue May 15 1990 12:1410


	Philadelphia 76ers
	Veterans Stadium
	P.O. Box 25050
	Philadelphia, PA 19147

	215-339-7676

222.207LEVERS::STROUTno hero in your tragedy...Wed May 16 1990 15:5816
    	Although a lot of people have written off Philadelphia to win
    this series, I wouldn't be too surprised to see them pull off a
    victory tonight.  In every game outside of game 1 Philadelphia has
    been able to take over and force the Bulls to play their type of
    tempo.  If it wasn't for poor free throw shooting and laxing off
    in the 4th quarter, the series could be exactly reversed.
    
    	Chicago doesn't match up well with Philly for some reason...
    Philly seems so much quicker and creates many more open court/fast
    break opportunities.  The only problem I can see is that Chicago's
    deeper bench allows the players to be rested more, and by the end
    of the game Chicago creeps back simply because Philly is exhausted.
    
    	Comments?
    
    sean
222.208GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsWed May 16 1990 21:5313
    The Sixers are definitely exhausted. The amount of effort that Charles
    puts into every game is enormous. I think the foor freee throw shooting
    is a direct result of the fatigue. Philadelphia misses Derek Smith in a
    big way, and he won't be available tonight due to tendonitis is his
    knees. Everyone else should be available. I don't hink they have enough
    left to beat the Bulls, but I can Always hope.
    
    One theory I have heard expressed is that the Sixers have over acheived
    so much and have had to put forth so much effort to get where they are
    this year that they cannot "turn it up" like alot of teams do this time
    of year. Charles has nothing left to turn up.
    
    Dennis
222.20915436::LEFEBVREFour more to go!Thu May 17 1990 10:294
    Hey Charles, enjoy the NHL Cup playoffs.  You'll have plenty of
    idle time.
    
    Mark.
222.210The Post-DrJ Blahs Are Over !!!SHALOT::HUNTHeartbreak Motor Oil and Bombay GinThu May 17 1990 12:3217
    The Sixers definitely overachieved this year.  I'm very happy with
    their season.  There is no shame in losing to the Chicago Jordans.
    
    50+ wins, the Atlantic Division title, and the Conference
    semi-finals is far and above what any of the "experts" had in
    store for them way back during prediction time.
    
    The trades for Mahorn and Johnny Dawkins paid off hugely.  Hersey
    Hawkins improved his game tremendously and Sir Charles had a
    monster year.
    
    Jimmy Lynam called the shots and Harold Katz thankfully kept his
    hands off.
    
    Well done, boys.
    
    Bob Hunt
222.211EARRTH::BROOKSNever trust a Brooklyn Queen ...Thu May 17 1990 12:5218
    I'll second that Bob. Now the next step is for the Sixers to add
    more quickness to their defense. (wouldn't you have rather they
    took a chance on Sherman Douglas over Kenny (WHo ?) Payne ?)
    
    If they can get a quick big man to play D (al la John Salley), it
    would be a bonus.
    
    That was the difference in this series. Chicago applied tremendous
    pressure to the backcourt, and Dawkins in particular, wasn't up to it 
    (he'd better learn to go right with more confidence). On the other
    side of the coin, the Sixers didn't apply much pressure on the Bulls.
    It didn't seem to me that they could if they wanted to.
    
    Even so, this year was a great improvement. Last year opponents
    shot over 50% from the floor against Philly. Thanks to Mahorn, that's
    a thing of the past.
    
    Doc
222.212RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JOGoons,Bufoons,Loons,BroonsThu May 17 1990 13:055
    I didn't expect much from the Sixers this year.  So it was a pleasant
    surprise.  I expected more i the playoffs.  Hats off to teh Bulls
    and their fans.  I'll root for the Pistons to throttle the Jordans.
    
    JD