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208.0. "Official NBA Draft Note" by BAUCIS::SAPP (Brian Shaw=The Fat Lever for the 90's) Sat Apr 07 1990 14:13

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208.1UPWARD::HEISERdon't sample me, don't sample meMon Apr 09 1990 13:4310
    I don't follow NCAA ball enough to name names but,
    
    Celtics need a shooting guard that can handle the ball.  How about a
    clone that can run/dribble like KJ, pass like Magic, and shoot like
    Jordan?!
    
    Suns need a physical power forward who can board, a Charles Barkley
    clone is in order here.
    
    Mike
208.2Derrick Coleman will be #1 !!!!FDCV07::GARBARINOMon Apr 09 1990 14:117
Like the upcoming NFL draft, the spice in this year's NBA draft will
probably come from the underclassmen that come out.  Chris Jackson,
Dennis Scott, Larry Johnson, Terry Mills...are a few that probably
will leave school for the NBA.  Kenny Anderson ????


Joe
208.3BAUCIS::SAPPGet up,Get up,Get busy do it.....Mon Apr 09 1990 21:371
    Well said ,Joe.Coleman without question the best player coming out.
208.4Mays stock went upAUSTIN::MACNEALBo don't know rugby!Mon Apr 16 1990 15:538
    Travis Mays of UT, once considered a late first roun/early 2nd rounder,
    is now being touted as a lottery pick.  The Longhorn guard has
    showcased himself well in the NCAA tourney and in various All-Star
    games.  He score a career high 44 points against Georgia in the NCAA's,
    was named the MVP of the coach's All Star Game in Denver, and recently
    scored 21 points (something like 3-4 from NBA 3pointland) with 8
    assists as a point guard (he is usually the shooting guard) in another
    all star game over the weekend.
208.5He is a prime time player BABY!!!!!!!ELMAGO::RBARELAMon Apr 16 1990 21:4310
    Read my p_name!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    Anyone see the highschool all-american game yesterday?????
    
    O'Bannon.
    
    Remember that name!!!
    
208.6....but I doubt he will.Remember Adrian Autry!!BAUCIS::SAPPBird,Magic,Jordan and ColemanMon Apr 16 1990 22:247
    Re:Last
    
    I will!! He might be going to Syracuse!!!
    
    
    
    O_J
208.7Mays Stock Went Up !XCUSME::SAPPMon Apr 16 1990 23:5645
   RE: .4   Seniors Stock Who  Went Up

Marty Blake, the NBA's scouting Director, figures these seniors are
moving up the draft ladder after their performance last week at
Orlando.

o Marvis Mays,6-2, Guard, Texas:"Great Athlete. Showed he belongs in the
  first round. He can be a great offensive player."

o Felton Spencer, 7-0, Center,Louisville:"In this era where you can't find
  centers, he's a legitimate one. Aggressive. Plays with desire, a big
  upside. May surprise where he's picked."

o A.J. English,6-3, Guard, Virginia Union:The Division II Player of the Year.
  All he had to do was prove that he could play against Division I
  competition. He answered that."

o Alaa Abdelnaby, 6-10,Forward, Duke:"Came on this year. He realized the
  opportunity and made the necessary adjustments in his game."

o Bo Kimble,6-3 1/2, Guard, Loyola Marymount:"With all he's been through,
  he didn't have to come here. Says a lot about him that he did."

o Willie Burton, 6-6 1/2, Forward/Guard, Minnesota:"A prospect. Showed
  everybody that he could play big guard. May have moved into LaSalle's
  Lionel Simmons' spot in the draft.

o Duane Caswell. 6-11 1/2, Center,Temple:"Has the tools. All he needs is 
  experience."

o Cedric Ceballos,6-6 1/2, Forward, Cal-State Fullerton:"An unknown
  quantity. Played at a small school on the West Coast and not that many
  people knew about him. Now that people have seen him, they realize that
  he can play in our league."

o Les Jepsen,7-0, Center, Iowa:"Don't look at what he can't do; look at
  what he can do: He's 7 foot, he plays hard, he runs the floor well."

o Dwayne Schintzius, 7 1/2,Center,Florida:"Made a lot of friends just by
  coming here. Sure he's out of shape, but the skills, are there. He said
  someting by coming here. Now, he has to go out and lose weight.( Schintzius
  weighs 293 pounds, 30 more than his playing weight.) Remember he's a
  center."
                                   
    Edwin
208.8GENRAL::GIBSONTue Apr 17 1990 13:292
    
    Is A.J. English related to Alex English?
208.9Spartan Prime-timer!!!!EARRTH::WORRALLWed Apr 18 1990 11:344
Who is that kid from Michigan St???  Steve Smith???  Is he a Junior
or Senior??  He was very impressive in the NCAA's!!
    
Greg            
208.10CNTROL::CHILDSThis guy's a waste of skinWed Apr 18 1990 12:482
    
    Steve Smith is it from MSU and I think he's only a sophmore....
208.11No,he's a juniorBAUCIS::SAPPBird,Magic,Jordan and ColemanWed Apr 18 1990 23:321
    
208.12lotter picks - coleman #1XLIB::VAHALIAFri Apr 20 1990 15:1830
These are the players I think will go in the lottery, in approximately
this order.

1.  DERRICK COLEMAN
2.  Lionel Simmons
3.  Gary Payton
4.  Dwayne Schintzius (I'd guess Orlando will pick him - 
	they need a center, and he's a local)
5.  Chris Jackson
6.  Gerald Glass
7.  Alec Kessler
8.  Bo Kimble
9.  Rumeal Robinson
10. Terry Mills
11. Kendall Gill/Willie Burton.

Other possibilities -
Scott Williams, Elden Campbell, Jayson Williams (was a lock before injury woes),
Tyrone Hill, Felton Spencer.

Underclassmen who could crack the top 11 (Jackson has already entered draft) -
Larry Johnson (would go in top 3)
Dennis Scott (probably 4-6)
Alonzo Mourning (4-6, but I don't think he is ready yet).
Kenny Anderson (7 or worse, I think he should and will stay another year).

What do you think?

Uresh Vahalia
208.13Burton was Orlando MVPSHALOT::HUNTA single ping please, Vasily.Fri Apr 20 1990 15:244
    Willie Burton will go higher than you predict.  He impressed
    everyone at the Orlando tryout camp last week.
    
    Bob Hunt
208.14UPWARD::HEISERIf Dora Plays Like Me Alls LostFri Apr 20 1990 16:436
    Wouldn't it be easier if you knew what team was doing the picking? 
    Some players fill needs, others pick BYU grads.
    
    Who looks good at BYU this year?  probably nobody!
    
    Mike
208.15Need vs TalentXCUSME::SAPPSat Apr 21 1990 13:2716
    RE:.13 Willie Burton
    
    Marty Blake, NBA Scouting, predict that Willie Burton will probably
    take the L Train slot in the Draft order based on the Orlando Classic. 

    RE:-1 Need vs Talent

    It also tends to be a factor as to teams needs and what talent is
    available. Also , things as teams trading for picks etc is a factor.
    One thing i have noticed is that great Big men tends to go before
    great guards--I do not mean to get into a "rat-hole" on this, but
    one must also factor the ranking of players by position, otherwise
    its a crap-shoot.
    
    What about AJ English ? I expect him to go before Kendell Gill.
    
208.16Seniors in the DraftXCUSME::SAPPSat Apr 21 1990 13:4143
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                      Orlando All-Star Basketball Classic

          West                               Midwest
          ----                               -------

     Bo Kimble, 6-5 F/G Loyola          Steve Henson, 6-1 G Kansas State
     Kevin Pritchard, 6-3 G Kansas      Steve Bardo, 6-4 G Illinois
     Travis Mays, 6-2 G Texas           Mike Mitchell, 6-8 F Colorado State
     Matt Bullard, 6-10 F Iowa          Derek Strong, 6-9 F Xavier
     Trevor Wilson, 6-7 F UCLA          David Jamerson, 6-5 F/G Ohio
     Anthony Bonner, 6-6 F St Louis     Willie Burton, 6-6 F Minnesota
     David Butler, 6-10 C UNLV          Loy Vaught, 6-9 F Michigan 
     Les Jepsen, 7-0 C Iowa             Felton Spencer, 7-0 C Louisville
     Scott Williams, 6-10 C North Car.  Terry Mills, 6-10 F/C Michigan


            South                                East
            -----                                ----

     Dee Brown,6-1 G Jacksonville       Boo Harvey, 6-0 G St Johns
     Vernell "Bimbo" Coles, 6-1 G       Steve Thompson, 6-4 G Syracuse
                    Virginia Tech
     Phil Henderson, 6-4 G Duke         Tate George, 6-4 G UConn
     Gerald Glass, 6-6 F Mississippi    AJ English, 6-5 G Va Union*
     Irving Thomas,6-7,F Florida State  Greg Foster, 6-8 F Texas El Paso
     Elden Campbell, 6-11 C/F Clemson   Duane Causwell, 6-11 C Temple
     Tony Massenburg, 6-10 F Maryland   Cedric Ceballos, 6-8 F Cal State
     Dwayne Schinzius, 7-2 C Florida                  Fullerton
     Alla Abdelnaby, 6-10 F/C Duke      Antonio Davis, 6-10 F Texas El Paso
                                        Tom Greis, 7-4 C Villanova

     * = NCAA Division II Player of the Year
    ======================================================================
    Although these are only Seniors, one has a better idea of positions,
    etc as to how the Draft may be constructed based on need.    
208.17Mock Draft-Need vs TalentXCUSME::SAPPSat Apr 21 1990 15:4732
  Well it's a rainy day in New England, and at the point of being ridiculous
  this early, but wanting to propose a "Straw Man", here are some of  my 
  my toughts on the Draft based on how team are as of today. I understand
  that the lottery is such thatof the 11 teams the team with the worst 
  record has 11 chances to be picked first;the team with the second worst 
  record, 10 chances,etc. After three teams are picked the others are in    
  reverse order of final team records.
    
  So here my Mock Draft:   
      
  Pos   Team           %   Need  Likely Pick  Comment
  ---   ----           -   ----  -----------  -------
    1   Orlando      .210  C/F   Coleman      1st pick regardless
    2   NJ           .213  C/F   Schintzius   The type of pick the Nets like
    3   Miami        .213  F     Burton       Minnesota cringes
    4   Charlotte    .235  C/G   Kimble       Abdelnaby local favorite
                                              Campbell from Clemson,or
                                              Scott Williams from NC
    5   Minnesota    .278  F     Simmons      Burton if available
    6   Sac          .288        Robinson     Need everything,may draft
                                              Chris Jackson
    7   LAC          .380  C/F   Butler       They need someone who helps
                                              "Team" chemistry
    8   Washington   .388  C/F   Spencer      Abdelnaby, if available
    9   Golden State .456  C/F   Mills        Mills is either C/F
   10   Atlanta      .488  F     Vaught       Scott--Ga Tech is natural if he
                                              comes out, Jackson if there
   11   Seattle      .494  C     Jepson       Just what they need

   If Larry Johnson comes out, Miami will pick him making Minnesota very
   happy.
    
208.18Nets May win the Coleman SweepsteaksXCUSME::SAPPMon Apr 23 1990 14:292
    The Nets have the worst NBA record
    
208.19Like to see the Celts get himAUSTIN::MACNEALBo don't know rugby!Mon Apr 30 1990 17:363
    re .7:  That's TRAVIS Mays (the UT guard).  His stock has been on the
    rise since the NCAA's.  He even showed he could make the transition to
    point guard in one of the All Star games.
208.20STAR::YANKOWSKASTrade 'em all, they're bums!Tue May 15 1990 17:304
    What is the date of the NBA draft?
    
    
    py
208.21exBOSOX::BRULETue May 15 1990 17:444
    re -1
    The draft is June 27th.
    
    Mike
208.22QUASER::JOHNSTONWHOA! Death by STEREO!Wed May 16 1990 19:396
208.23CAM::WAYGo ask Alice, when she's ten feet tallThu May 17 1990 10:2219
208.24Tremendous rack15436::LEFEBVREFour more to go!Thu May 17 1990 10:265
    Kelly Bundy, in hunting terms, is what we call a "wall hanger".
    
    In fack, I think I'll tm that sucker.
    
    Mark.
208.25Not looking for a long-term commitment4159::NAZZAROWe're the Dead Beat ClubThu May 17 1990 18:023
    If I tell you the date of the draft, can I have a "date" with Kelly?
    
    NAZZ
208.26CAM::WAYGo ask Alice, when she's ten feet tallThu May 17 1990 18:137
Sure NAZZ, I've moved on to bigger and better things....

Just make sure that you bring a six-pack of beer for her...she 
always liked that....

(sniff)
Chainsaw
208.27Thanks, 'Saw!!!!4159::NAZZAROWe're the Dead Beat ClubThu May 17 1990 18:145
    Rolling Rock OK?
    
    Date of draft:  June 26, 1990.
    
    NAZZ
208.28EARRTH::BROOKSNo Bojangles, no Kermit ... :-(Thu May 17 1990 19:174
    re . 25
    
    You may not be looking for a long-term, but Kelly says that you
    can't be too quick ! :-)
208.29lottery resultsAUNTB::HAASsame as talking to youMon May 21 1990 09:2915
Draft order:

	1	New Jersey
	2	Seattle
	3	Miami
	4	Orlando
	5	Charlotte
	6	Minnesota
	7	Sacramento
	8	LA Clippers
	9	Dallas (from Washington)
	10	Golden State
	11	Atlanta

TTom
208.30SASE::SZABOJust say YES to freakin' lunaticism!Mon May 21 1990 10:496
208.31CAM::WAYGo ask Alice, when she's ten feet tallMon May 21 1990 11:037
I heard the same thing Hawk.  In fact, I read a report that stated
that Clyde wanted to have his picture taken posing next to Larry's
statue.

I thought that was a touching gesture.

'Saw
208.32SASE::SZABOJust say YES to freakin' lunaticism!Mon May 21 1990 11:074
208.33CAM::WAYGo ask Alice, when she's ten feet tallMon May 21 1990 11:0911
Hawk, 

Did you notice how much that guy SWEATS?  He must be smokin' crack
for sure.

And did you notice all the old scars and bruises around his knees?
Wonder what caused that...

Wanting to achieve a sizeable woody is a righteous goal!

'Saw
208.34now that the lottery is behind usXLIB::VAHALIATue May 22 1990 16:1642
With the lottery picture clear, here is one view of what the top half of
the draft will look like:

1.  New Jersey needs help everywhere - can you get front office guys in
    the draft?  No reason not to go with the consensus #1 pick, but then 
    these are the Nets we are talking about.  Let's say they regain their
    sanity and pick DERRICK COLEMAN.
2.  Seattle needs help at center and point guard.  All options at center
    are suspect, so they go for blue chip prospect GARY PAYTON.  Also possible
    are Schintzius and Spencer.
3.  Miami needs scoring and rebounding, so how about the guy who does tons
    of both -- LIONELL SIMMONS.  If neither Simmons nor Coleman is available,
    I think they should go for Chris Jackson.
4.  Who is going to bite for DWAYNE SCHINTZIUS?  I guess Orlando will.  They
    really need a center, plus the local appeal.  Look for a turbulent season.
5.  Charlotte needs a small forward (also a true center, but then who doesn't?).
    They pick ACC Ace DENNIS SCOTT.
6.  Minnesota adds some scoring punch with CHRIS JACKSON.
7.  Sacramento is hurting for a point guard, but Payton and Jackson are gone.
    They settle for RUMEAL ROBINSON, who turns out to be George McCloud II.
8.  The Clippers have two major needs - a backup center and an outside shooter.
    They fill the first with FELTON SPENCER.
9.  Dallas has three first round picks, and uses the first (from Washington) to
    land a good forward - GERALD GLASS, though Willie Burton is also possible.
10. The Warriors need the best big man available, and they pick ALEC KESSLER.
    Terry Mills is another possibility.
11. Atlanta is likely to go for the best available player regardless of posi-
    tion.  That might be WILLIE BURTON.
12. Houston can't believe that KENDALL GILL is still around, and takes him 
    before they can goof up.
13. The Clippers now fill their shooting guard needs with local favorite
    BO KIMBLE.

Other first rounders:

Terry Mills, Alaa Abdelnaby, Elden Campbell, Scott Williams, Jayson Williams,
Trevor Wilson, Tyrone Hill, Derek Strong, Boo Harvey, Travis Mays, Steve Henson,
Brian Oliver, Marcus Liberty.

--------------------------------
Uresh Vahalia
208.35Too bad Coleman won't be around for the #3 pick, huh Uresh?VAXWRK::NEEDLETue May 22 1990 16:350
208.36 TURKEY::J_HALPINTue May 22 1990 19:0913


>4.  Who is going to bite for DWAYNE SCHINTZIUS?  I guess Orlando will.  They
>    really need a center, plus the local appeal.  Look for a turbulent season.


	I doubt very much that the Magic will take Schintzius. I remember
reading in the paper that they weren't interested in him. Plus he was
'introduced' to the crowd at a Magic game and he was booed out of the arena.
This is probably where Felton Spencer will end up...

JimH
208.37GRANPA::DFAUSTSixers=Atlantic Div ChampsTue May 22 1990 21:347
    I heard Pat Williams on WIP Sports Radio in Philly on Monday morning
    and he said that if Schintzius is there when the Magic draft, they
    would have a hard time not drafting him. Maybe he was just blowing
    smoke but ...
    
    Dennis
    
208.38ROCK::GRONOWSKIthe dream is always the same...Tue May 22 1990 22:214
    
    What that means is that he's going to trade their first round
    pick to Cleveland... just like the great Daugherty trade.
    
208.39VAXWRK::NEEDLEWed May 23 1990 02:1210
>>    What that means is that he's going to trade their first round
>>    pick to Cleveland... just like the great Daugherty trade.

Speaking of which, I hear front page news in Cleveland is a proposed
Daugherty/Nance for Olajuwon trade.  I find it a bit hard to believe but the
Plain Dealer wouldn't lie, would it?

j.
    

208.40Some of you should try this..it isnt very easy..ELMAGO::RBARELAWed May 23 1990 03:2650
    Well this seems like fun so I will make a stab at predictions and
    if I get ONE right I will be suprised!!!!!  Some will seem outlandish
    but hey everyone has to get a little crazy.
       
    1) Nets - Derrick Coleman.  If they dont they all need to be commited.
       
    2) Supersonics - Their picks suprised the heck out of me last year.
                     This one doesnt.  No matter what some scouts say....
                     Chris Jackson is TOO GOOD to pass up.
       
    3) Heat - The L-TRAIN Lionel Simmons.  Nuff said.      
                                                           
    4) Orlando - I originally thought maybe Dennis Scott would go here
                 but Sam Vincent and Scott Skiles are good BACK UP point
                 guards so the Magic draft a starter in Gary Payton.                       
                                                                    
    5) Hornets - "Double team on Tripuka...he kicks it out to Chapman
                  for the wide open three and BRICK!!!!"  This ends
                  when they take Dennis Scott, with Rex and Scott....now
                  double team us inside PLEASE says the Hornets.
       
                                                   
    8) Northstars - The TIMBERWOLVES(can you hear me Mr Stern??) held
                    their breath for the first 5 picks and the one they
                    wanted all along is still there...Willie Burton.
       
    7) Sacramento - Rumeal Robinson.  I cant understand the King's 
                    philosophy..."lets trade away our only point guard"
                    They are lucky to get Robinson and Carr turned out
                    to be a pleasant suprise.
       
    8) Clippers - Huge choice between Bo Kimble and Kendal Gill.  Bo
                  showed alot of spirit and heart in the tourney I 
                  know this sounds corny but if things go as I think
                  this will be the deciding factor the Clipps need 
                  this kind of players.  Did I mention that he could
                  play off guard and both forwards positions???
       
    9) Mavs - Gill.  Only because they are suprised to see him.  They
              are not heart broken since Blackman and Harper and getting
              a little old.
       
    10) Warriors - Felton Spencer.  The Warriors hope he is the rebounding
                   answer.
       
    11) Atlanta - A J English Division 2 in school only.  
       
    Thats it for lottery.  12 through 27 in next note for those who
    are interested or those who would like a laugh.
    
208.41Stop laughing.ELMAGO::RBARELAWed May 23 1990 03:5561
   
    
    Here we go again by now the rest of the non lottery teams are
    salivating with all the big and talented men left.  Well there 
    isnt a Micheal Jordan in the bunch this is a DEEP draft.
    
    12) Houston - Draft a point guard or trade me says AKEEM.  He gets
                  his wish and (sorry Nazz and Boston fans) Travis Mays
                  of Texas is taken by the Rockets.
                
    13) Clippers - Terry Mills.  Can he gain some minutes???  If coached
                   right this could be the SPURS of next year.
                                
    14) Dallas - Bimbo Coles.  Some suprised to see him left here.
                                
    15) Denver - Dwayne Stskfjafjnsdjvis.
                                
    16) Milwak - Cedric Ceballos.  Dont even try to remember his name.
                 The media wont.  This might be a VERY far fetched
                 prediction but I saw this guy play UNLV and he more
                 than held his own against there front line.
                                
    17) New York - Alec Kessler.  
                
    18) Dallas - Loy Vaught.
                
    19) Boston - Any Byu Grad available MUST BE SLOW.  We all know the
                 Celtics need a guard, the Celtics know they need a
                 guard....they take........Gerald Glass.
                
    20) Northstars - Elden Cambell 
                
    21) Phoenix - The loss of a rebounding mad forward (Tyrone Corbin
                  in the expansion draft) hurt the Suns.  Cry no more
                  Anthony Bonner. (let ncaa in rebounds)
                
    22) Chicago - Derek Strong of Xavier.
                
    23) Utah - Dee Brown gives the Jazz a formidable backup at the point.
                
    24) Spurs - Antonio Davis of UTEP.
    
    25) Portland - Scott Williams of UNC.
    
    26) Detroit - Stephen Thompson.    OK OK OK OK!!!!  Stop yelling.
                  I know just as well as anyone of you than he cant
                  couldnt and probably wont hit a high % of his open
                  jumpers, with the PISTONS he doesnt need to.  He will
                  play the small forward position and will make and
                  impact on this team along with teammate and fellow
                  rookie Anthony (gained 20 pounds of Muscle in Italy)
                  Cook.
    
    27) Lakers - This is a problem child.  He wouldnt make it on any
                 other team.  He is too talented to pass up.  Magic
                 Johnson will make him a player and a steal!!!!
                 Sean Higgins.   
                   
                                
                                
                
208.42Charlotte talking with UtahSHALOT::MEDVIDHouse music all night longWed May 23 1990 10:466
    Heard on the Charlotte news last night that the Hornets have an offer
    from the Jazz. Thurl Baily and another player for the Hornets' fifth
    pick.  Hope this makes your day, TTom.  That's a tough one to pass up
    if the "other player" is a good one.
    
    	--dan'l
208.43glass housesEARRTH::BROOKSWelcome to Men On Art ! :-)Wed May 23 1990 11:494
    re .38
    
    Yeah that great trade for the quiche-eater has really made the Cads
    a championship threat eh Paul ?
208.44CNTROL::CHILDSLB bets EJ 1k he'll miss the puttWed May 23 1990 12:088
It may have not made them Champs Doc, but it certainly made contenders out
of them and what does Philly have to show for the trade? 2 players in street
clothes. I'd bet Philly would give their left filbert to have Daugherty....

Giminski's not bad but he ain't Brad.........

mike
208.45RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JOSkating wif bof hands round neck..Wed May 23 1990 12:3014
    Don't be surprised to see the Sonics package their pick - probably
    with the X-Man if they can get a good big man.  (Narrows the field,
    eh?)  ALso, they could package it with Dale Ellis.
    
    Nice draftt summary a few back, but where is Schintzus?  I caint
    seeing him not goint, and I'd bet the bank that if he is left for
    the last pick, the Lakers would take him.
    
    
    Re: Akeem trade.  Interesting stuff.  Would make Cleveland real
    tough - and would probably make Danny Ferry come on home.  They
    could start Akeem, Hot Rod and Ferry.  Purty tough stuff.
    
    JD
208.46CAM::WAYSomething bitchin' this way comes...Wed May 23 1990 12:377
Did anyone pick up Tate George of UCONN?



Enquiring minds deen to wonk...

'Saw
208.47Coleman a heat?XLIB::VAHALIAWed May 23 1990 13:1917
Re. .35

I think that may not be so bad after all.
At Syracuse, Coleman and Seikaly seemed to
constantly step on each other's egos, so
I'm not sure if Rony is looking forward to
seeing him again.

If he did go at #3, tho, the Heat should
really change their name to Miami Orangemen.

BTW, has their been any recorded instance of three
guys who played together in college playing 
together on the same NBA team?  Even two is rare.

Uresh.
208.48VAXWRK::NEEDLEWed May 23 1990 13:357
>>    Nice draftt summary a few back, but where is Schintzus?  I caint
>>    seeing him not goint, and I'd bet the bank that if he is left for
>>    the last pick, the Lakers would take him.

I believe you missed him due to the use of the Spanish spelling of Shintzus:

>>    15) Denver - Dwayne Stskfjafjnsdjvis.
208.49LEVERS::STROUTno hero in your tragedy...Wed May 23 1990 13:534
    	Akeem to Cleveland?  If there is ANY justice, this will never
    happen.  Please oh please oh please!  What a bitter pill to swallow.
    
    sean
208.50ALLVAX::PANDYAFri May 25 1990 13:3011
Re: .47

> BTW, has their been any recorded instance of three
> guys who played together in college playing 
> together on the same NBA team?  Even two is rare.

I don't know if they played together in college but, wasn't there 
a direct pipeline once between BYU and Boston Garden? :-)  
Danny Ain't, Great Kite, Psycho Roberts, Michael Edwards, .....

    
208.51RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JOVikings,Broncos,Duke,BruinsFri May 25 1990 13:437
    My guess is if it did happen, it might have been the Lakers, who
    had Wilkes and Jabbar from UCLA - was there another UCLA boy on
    those teams?
    
    I knowthe Celts had KC and Russel from USF. 
    
    JD
208.52CAM::WAYPhilosophize with him...Fri May 25 1990 14:326
Let me ask again...

Did Tate George of UCONN get drafted at all?

thanx,
'Saw
208.53I knew that... you don't think I knew that...GOOBER::ROSSMy nodename is embarrassingFri May 25 1990 14:451
The draft ain't until late June...
208.54CAM::WAYPhilosophize with him...Fri May 25 1990 15:348
thanx...

I didn't know that... 

What's all this stuff been going down lately then?  just that lottery 
thang??

8^)
208.55LEVERS::STROUTno hero in your tragedy...Fri May 25 1990 15:3812
    	'Sawster, lasted week (actually Sunday) they did this lottery
    deal to determine who would choose in the first round from 1-11
    (positions 12 and on are solid, no change).  So anyways, they lotteried
    off the top 11 teams, megabucks style with dastisticks and facks
    and they came out with New Jersey with the #1 picks and Seattle with
    the #2...
    
    	Draft ain't till the season is over and everyone's out playing
    golf  (which reminds me, did you see Jordan's sand trap shot? 
    awesome golfer!)
    
    sean
208.56CAM::WAYPhilosophize with him...Fri May 25 1990 15:4311
Okay, now I understand.

At first, it seemed strange to hold the draft while the season was
still going on, but then I realized that the basketball season
never really ends that they day after the playoffs they just start
the regular season again...

Kind of like No Exit....the Commissioner's version of Hell...8^)

latered,
'Saw
208.57Top Picks by PositionBAUCIS::SAPPSat May 26 1990 22:0242
                     Sports Magazine Rankings
                        (By Positions)


    Point Guards          Shooting Guards
    ------------          ---------------

 1. Chris Jackson         Bo Kimble
 2. Gary Payton           Dave Jamerson (6-5 Ohio St.)
 3. Tate George           Mark Stevenson (6-6 Duquesne)
 4. Rumeal Robinson       Kendill Gill
 5. Bimbo Coles           Travis Mays
 6. Kevin Pritchard       Brian Oliver
 7. Dee Brown             A.J. English
 8. Boo Harvey            Tharon Mayes(6-3 Fla St)
 9. Keith Smith           Mark Tillmon (6-2 Georgetown)
   (6-4 California)
10. Negele Knight        John McIntyre (6-4 Missouri)
    (6-2 Dayton)
    Small Forwards     Power Forwards           Centers
    --------------     --------------           -------

 1. Willie Burton      Derrick Coleman         Felton Spenser
 2. Gerald Glass       Terry Mills             Duane Causwell
 3. Lionel Simmons     Loy Vaught              Dwayne Schintzius
 4. Jud Buechler       Jayson Williams         Elden Campbell
                       (6-10 St John's)        (6-11 Clemson)
 5. Sean Higgins       Tyrone Hill             Alaa Abdelnaby
                       (6-9 Xavier)
 6. Mike Mitchell      Derek Strong            Les Jepsen
    (6-7 Colorado St)  (6-10 Xavier)
 7. Kenny Green        Alec Kessler            David Butler
   (6-7 RI)            (6-11 Ga.)              (6-11 UNLV)
 8. Rod Brookin       Stephen Scheffler        Gregg Foster
   (6-5 Pitt)         (6-9 Purdue)             (7-0 UTEP)
 9. Trevor Wilson     Scott Williams           Antonio Davis
   (6-8 UCLA)         (6-10 NC)                (6-10 UTEP)
10. Brian Howard      Eric McArthur            Tom Greis
    (6-7 NC St)       (6-7 UC Santa Barbara)   (7-2 Villanova)

    [Dennis Scott had not declared a Sports Magazine press time]
    Edwin
208.58AARGHXLIB::VAHALIATue May 29 1990 17:3511
Read in this Sunday's Globe that the Miami Heat have
decided to draft Dwayne Schintzius (if available, I
guess).

Just when I thought the Heat were going about building
their team in a sensible way ... don't they already 
have a GOOD center in Rony 'Most Improved' Seikaly?
Aren't they hungry for a power forward and a shooting
guard?  Will be real tough rooting for a team with
Mr Ugly on it.
208.59more teammatesWCSM::REIGELMANMon Jun 04 1990 09:355
    re .51
    
       Also when Jabbar was Alcindor with the Bucks there was a
    former UCLA team mate (L Allen). Also Herb Williams and Clark
    Kellogh where teammates at both Ohio st. and the pacers.    
208.60Trades???DECXPS::KHARRISMon Jun 04 1990 11:459
    A note in the Boston Globe this Sunday had the Lakers offering Byron
    Scott and A.C. Green to New Jersey and the Nets turned it down.
    I can't say I blame them. A.C. is a good player on a good team but
    who knows what he'd do on a bad team. 
    
    Also in the globe it had Denver offering Fat Lever to Seattle for
    the 2nd pick in the draft.
    
                                Kenn
208.61Fat Lever for # 2??AKOV06::DCARRJordan Rules! (thx Chuck!)Mon Jun 04 1990 15:333
    Sounds to me like the price for these top picks is pretty steep....
    
    ML
208.62More TeammatesXCUSME::SAPPMon Jun 04 1990 20:355
    re:.59
    
    John Havlicek and Larry Siegfreid.
    
    Edwin
208.63mock top 534443::HAASsame as talking to youTue Jun 19 1990 10:0812
There was a mock draft last night in Charlotte. Representatives of the
media of the lottery teams "drafted" for their teams. Here's the top 5:

	1. Derrick Coleman, New Jersey
	2. Dennis Scott, Seattle
	3. Willie Burton, Miami
	4. Chris Jackson, Orlando
	5. Gary Payton, Charlotte

The only big man taken was Felton Spencer by Golden State.

TTom
208.64TRADEDECXPS::KHARRISFri Jun 22 1990 16:359
    Fat Lever got traded to Dallas for the 9th pick in this years draft,
    and Detroits 1st round pick next year. I think Dallas got Detroits
    pick in the Mark Aguire for Adrian Dantley trade. Sounds to me like
    Dallas got the best of this trade.
    
    It looks like an earlier rumor may be true that Dallas will send
    Relando Blackman to Atlnta for Dominique Wilkins.
    
                                      Kenn
208.65GENRAL::GIBSONFri Jun 22 1990 18:437
    
    I agree Kenn. Dallas just made themselves championship contenders if
    they can keep Tarpley out of trouble. Should be a dogfight next year
    between San Antonio, Utah and Dallas.
    
                                                   HOOT
    
208.66Another deal for DenverDOCTP::TESSIERIstanbul or ConstantinopleFri Jun 22 1990 19:344
    Looks like Denver wasn't finished dealing yesterday.  They just traded
    their #9 and #15 first round picks to Miami for the #3 pick.
    
    Laker_Ken
208.67Bobcat in the first round! Wow!SHALOT::MEDVIDthe infinite complexities of loveMon Jun 25 1990 09:4713
    The Charlotte Observer had a mock draft in Sunday's edition.  They
    predicted the Knicks to take Dave Jamerson out of my alma matter Ohio
    University.  It also said Boston was interested too. 
    
    I knew he was good, but didn't think he was a first rounder.  Being
    burried down here in ACC land, I don't get much sports news from the
    east and mid-west.  Anyone got some info and stats on Jamerson.
    
    This is great for Ohio U and the Mid American Conference.  First Ron
    Harper, then Dan Majerle, and now Jamerson.  I hope he turns out as
    good as his predecessors.
    
    	--dan'l
208.68He can fill it upCLUSTA::TESSIERBush sells out Lithuania; Film at 11!Mon Jun 25 1990 10:263
    If I'm not mistaken, Jamerson averaged 31 ppg this past season.  The
    Knicks could use that kind of offense from the 2 spot.  Of course, they
    also need a shooting small forward.
208.69Lots of rumours about the draftCIM::BROWNMon Jun 25 1990 10:559
    
    re. -1
    
    The Pistons are very high on Jamerson.  They think he would fit in
    well with the offense.  Also, the rumour around Detroit has John
    Salley and another player going to NJ for the first round pick.
    Detroit would take Coleman.
    
    /pjb
208.70DECXPS::KHARRISMon Jun 25 1990 12:507
    I think that would be an interesting trade. I think Salley is one
    of the most underrated defensive players in the league he was awesome
    against both Portland and Chicago. However I also think that Coleman
    will become a better pro than Salley as long as he maintains his
    aggressive board work.
    
                                         Kenn
208.71NRADM::BURGESSMon Jun 25 1990 12:571
    Does anybody know what time the draft starts?  And is it telivised???
208.72QUASER::JOHNSTONLegitimateSportingPurpose?E.S.A.D.!Mon Jun 25 1990 13:376
      I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Jersey pass on Coleman for Scott
   or Jackson, see Seattle pick up Payton, and find Coleman playing for
   the Denver Nougats nexted year.

   Mike JN
208.73QUASER::MCALPINEI'LL B SUREMon Jun 25 1990 14:238
    just a rumor!
    
    The Denver Post stated that since Aguire leaked the info to
    the FBI agent he could be gone, courtesy of his best friend
    Isiah! (remeber Adrian Dantley).
    
    
    	MIKE
208.74Draft InfoMPO::MCFALLThey call it Ridin' the Gravy TrainMon Jun 25 1990 14:435

	Draft is on TNT at 7:30 PM Eastern Time.

Jim M
208.75Nets may take PaytonOURBOX::LAZARUSDave Lazarus @PCO,321-5183Mon Jun 25 1990 17:513
    Word has it in New Jersey that the Nets are vewwry interested in Payton
    and he would be their most likely choice should they pass on Coleman. I
    think they would be making a mistake if they don't take Coleman.
208.7622339::MCCARTHYMike McCarthy MRO4-2/C17 297-4531Mon Jun 25 1990 18:4611
    Some pre-draft action:
    
    Utah sends Eric Leckner and Bobby Hansen to the Kings.
    
    The Kings send Pervis Ellison to Washington.
    
    The Bullets send Jeff Malone to Utah.
    
    The Nets pick up Reggie Theus for a '93 and '95 2nd round pick.
    
    Mike
208.77PNO::HEISERdown at the crossroadsMon Jun 25 1990 20:164
    Good move for the Jazz.  Strengthens their weak backcourt (outside of
    Stockton).
    
    Mike
208.78da troof?34443::HAASsame as talking to youMon Jun 25 1990 20:246
re: .76

Mike, did that trade happen or is it a rumor?

Thanks,
TTom
208.79EARRTH::BROOKSHomie The Clown don't play that !Mon Jun 25 1990 20:382
    Good trade for the Jazz, decent for Washington (if Ellison is for
    real), and a stinker for the Kings (so what's new ?) .....
208.80CSCOA5::ROLLINS_RMon Jun 25 1990 20:502
	Utah also gave up a #1 pick in this trade, as I heard it on
	the news.
208.81Not A Rumor!DASXPS::KHARRISTue Jun 26 1990 08:0112
    The Bullets sent Malone and a 1991 2nd round pick to Sacramento
    for Ellison. The Kings then dealt Malone and their 2nd round pick
    in in the draft for Bobby Hansen, Eric Leckner, and Utahs 1st &
    2nd round picks in this years draft.
    
    Washington had to do something. Sacramento always does something,
    but looking at this trade one might think that Russell was still
    their G.M.
    
    Utah is now the team to beat in their division.
    
                            Kenn
208.82More rumors...BUILD::MORGANTue Jun 26 1990 11:058
    There are strong rumors of the Celtics trading McHale to Seattle for
    Dana Barros and the #2 pick.  If true, I'd imagine one of the things
    holding it up as far as the Celtics are concerned, is the outcome of  
    today's court decision, regarding Brian Shaw.  Personally, I'd hate to 
    see McHale go.  Not only is he my favorite player, but he's still an 
    automatic two points.
    
    					Steve
208.83CNTROL::CHILDSReckless Driving on Dirty BackroadsTue Jun 26 1990 11:2014
 Big mistake they're trading the wrong guy. If they won't trade Larry
Legend like they should then should trade Lewis and allow him to become
a star somewhere else as a small forward.....

Anyone else catch the pay per view one on one? I only saw the last two
games but got to admit Kimble looked good. Payton whinned to much but
I was impressed with his quickness. Packer was driving me nuts though
he kept screaming for the guy with the ball and the lead to take the
ball out bounds instead of the fouls shots. Sure good stratgy except
if I'm playing to impress the pros then I want to make those foul shots
when the money's on the line to show the boys I'm capable....

mike
208.84parrish instead of Mchale would be better for CeltsDELNI::D_ANDERSONInternational Eng. DevelopmentTue Jun 26 1990 12:515
    One-on-one was super...Kimble really looked good.  Beat both Lionel
    Simmons and Payton. Sure hope the Celtics take him if they get the
    number 2 pick from Seattle....he was in boston recently too. 
    
    
208.85UPWARD::HEISERTue Jun 26 1990 12:516
    I still think San Antonio is better than Utah.  Utah may get out of the
    first round now though.
    
    West just gets tougher & tougher!
    
    Mike
208.86RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JOM.JACKSONMR.POTATOHEADSETTue Jun 26 1990 12:5316
    Steve,
    
    The rumour here is McHale, the rights to Shaw, the Celts pick, for
    Barros and the #2.  However, there have been about a zillion rumours
    here about teams coveting the #2.  Included are the #2, McDaniel
    and Cage to Houston for Akeem and Wiggins; the #2 to the Lakers
    for Scott and Thompson; and a host more.  The concensus is to pooh-pooh
    the Mchale deal because the Sonics think McHale is Too old, plus
    they don't like Red because of comments (i.e. rubbing their face
    in it for a past trade...or somethign like that).
    
    The feeling is that the Sonics will pick Payton, but that they may
    package Cage and McDaniel for another pick or a big guy.   They
    think Payton will make Ellis even better.
    
    JD
208.87automatic 2 in the postUPWARD::HEISERTue Jun 26 1990 12:595
    Haven't you heard?  KC is Red's secret weapon! ;-)
    
    I say McHale is the wrong man to trade right now.
    
    Mike
208.88RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JOM.JACKSONMR.POTATOHEADSETTue Jun 26 1990 13:0628
    Mike,
    
    KC will have little input.  Whitset and Bernie wil have the real
    say.  This all sounds like the typical yearly "Red will pull a move".
    
    Two year's ago itwas almost positive that Red would get David Robinson
    with one of his shrewd moves.  Face it, look at BYU's roster - look
    for the biggest white guy available - he'll be the one with "Ship
    me to the Gahden" tatooed on his forehaid.  
    
    The only plus McHale would give would be to teach Kemp some inside
    moves.   
    
    The other rumours involve teams with picks 6 through 9, since the
    Sonics feel good players will still be available, and they can get
    a player plus a pick for the #2.  Most ofthe rumours have McDaniel
    and/or Cage getting shipped.  Sonics want to move McKey to small
    forward and use Kemp in te power slot.  Center and point guard are
    the needs, but they rate  point guard as #1 priority, looking at
    sucees of teams like Phoenix that have a mediocre center but a great
    point guard.
    
    re Utah Deal.  Gives the Jazz an added dimension - instant firepower
    from the outside.  Gives them 4 potential 20+ scores, the games
    premier defensive prescence in the middle, the bench is the weakness...
    though I think Blue Edwards could grow into a 6th man role.
    
    JD
208.89Hey Seattle -- Do the right thing!DOCTP::TESSIERIstanbul or ConstantinopleTue Jun 26 1990 13:349
Yes Yes Yes.  I think it would be extremely wise for the Sonics to 
trade the #2 to the Lakers for Scott and Thompson.  Absolutely! 
This would be the trade to put them over the top.  Hurry while
the offer is still valid.  Forget about McHale.  He's an old geezer
with a one screw in his foot, another one loose in his head, and
a couple of rusty bolts hanging off his neck.  Scott's a gamer and
Thompson is a million laughs.  You'll love 'em!  :)

Laker_Ken
208.90Goodbye Kevin .... Hello backcourtAKOV13::GYOUNGStatic in my attic from channel ZTue Jun 26 1990 14:1615
    The Celtics should (need) to make a major move ..... McHale to Seattle
    for Barros and the #2 in the draft sounds great to me !  Celts then
    take Scott/Payton ..... together with Barros, their backcourt is set
    for years.  Lewis/Smith share time at the small forward spot and
    Pinckney/Bird at the other.
    
    However, I think that Boston (and Red in particular) overvalue their
    players ...... McHale making the second All-defensive team is a
    joke ..... he plays defense roughly in the same area code as his
    opponent.
    
    C'mon Celtics .... make the deal .... you're more than 1 player away
    from being a contendah.
    
    Greg
208.91Shaw is Celtics property...MPO::GILBERTToo much month at the end of the moneyTue Jun 26 1990 19:355
    
    According to the Celtics note a Federal Judge has ruled in favor
    of the Celtics. If Shaw ever wants to play in the NBA he'll have
    to say caio to Il Messagaro immediately. Red won't keep him anyway
    so expect a trade in the near future ....
208.92please Mike and Bernie, no trades like that!!!33328::BMCWILLIAMSImprovise if you have to ...Wed Jun 27 1990 00:0812
I can't see how either of the trades JD mentioned do Seattle much good. Getting
McHale for Barros and the #2? That leaves the Sonics even farther behind in
their quest for a point guard and a center. We don't need no steenkin power
forwards, certainly not at that price, or at that age. As for the deal with the
Lakers, I can't see why either team would like it. From the Sonics perspective,
Scott is redundant, unless you're thinking of moving Ellis to small forward or
having Scott play the point. Thompson would be nice, but how's he really any
different than Steve Johnson? From the Lakers perspective, can they really
afford to lose a center? I mean, Divac is doing great, but are they going to
depend on him and MacNamara?

Brian
208.93Hornets want Gill34443::HAASsame as talking to youWed Jun 27 1990 16:307
Current word out of the Hornets is that they will be going for Kendall
Gill, assuming that Dennis Scott and Coleman are gone. 

The real question mark appears to be Orlando and whether or not they'll
take the plunge and draft Schintzius.

TTom
208.94NRADM::BURGESSWed Jun 27 1990 17:011
    When do the Hornets pick?
208.955TH34443::HAASsame as talking to youWed Jun 27 1990 17:080
208.96I'm on my way to the NBA draft......POCUS::SALTALAMACCHWed Jun 27 1990 19:4112
    As part of the deal Digital (The Official Computer Vendor of the NBA")
    has with the NBA, I was able to get four (4) tickets for the draft
    here in the Jacob Javits Center in NYC.
                  
    I'm on my way as soon as I finish this note.  There's a cocktail
    party/reception prior to the draft where NBA VIP's will be present that
    the tickets also get me into to.  I'll try to give an update tomorrow
    on the goings on.
    
    Redmen Phil
                                                             
    
208.97NBA draft selectionsJUPITR::MOKCharles P. MokThu Jun 28 1990 02:4960
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: NBA Draft Selections
Date: 28 Jun 90 03:45:37 GMT
 
                           _F_i_r_s_t_ _R_o_u_n_d
	1. New Jersey, Derrick Coleman, f, Syracuse.
	2. Seattle, Gary Payton, g, Oregon State.
	3. Denver, x-Chris Jackson, g, LSU.
	4. Orlando, Dennis Scott, g-f, Georgia Tech.
	5. Charlotte, Kendall Gill, g, Illinois.
	6. Minnesota, Felton Spencer, c, Louisville.
	7. Sacramento, Lionel Simmons, f, La Salle.
	8. LA Clippers, Bo Kimble, g, Loyola Marymount.
	9. Miami, Willie Burton, f, Minnesota.
	10. Atlanta, Rumeal Robinson, g, Michigan.
	11. Golden State, Tyrone Hill, f, Xavier (Ohio).
	12. Houston, Alec Kessler, f, Georgia.
	13. LA Clippers, Loy Vaught, f, Michigan.
	14. Sacramento, Travis Mays, g, Texas.
	15. Miami, Dave Jamerson, g, Ohio University.
	16. Milwaukee, Terry Mills, f, Michigan.
	17. New York, x-Jerrod Mustaf, f, Maryland.
	18. Sacramento, Duane Causwell, c, Temple.
	19. Boston, Dee Brown, g, Jacksonville.
	20. Minnesota, Gerald Glass, f, Mississippi.
	21. Phoenix, Jayson Williams, f, St. Johns.
	22. New Jersey, Tate George, g, Conneticut.
	23. Sacramento, Anthony Bonner, f, St. Louis.
	24. San Antonio, Dwayne Schintzius, c, Florida.
	25. Portland, Alaa Abdelnaby, c, Duke.
	26. Detroit, Lance Blanks, g, Texas.
	27. LA Lakers, Eldon Campbell, f, Clemson.
                           _S_e_c_o_n_d_ _R_o_u_n_d
	28. Golden State, Les Jepsen, c, Iowa
	29. Chicago, Tony Kukoc, f, Yugoslavia
	30. Miami, x-Carl Herrera, f, Houston.
	31. Phoenix, Negele Knight, g, Dayton.
	32. Philadelphia, Brian Oliver, g, Georgia Tech
	33. Utah, Walter Palmer, c, Dartmouth
	34. Golden State, Kevin Pritchard, g, Kansas.
	35. Washington, Greg Foster, c, Texas-El Paso.
	36. Atlanta, Trevor Wilson, f, UCLA.
	37. Washington, A.J. English, g, Virginia Union.
	38. Seattle, Jud Beuchler, f, Arizona.
	39. Charlotte, Steve Scheffler, c, Purdue.
	40. Sacramento, Bimbo Coles, g, Virginia Tech.
	41. Atlanta, Steve Bardo, g, Illinois.
	42. Denver, Marcus Liberty, f, Illinois.
	43. San Antonio, Tony Massenberg, g, Maryland.
	44. Milwaukee, Steve Henson, g, Kansas St.
	45. Indiana, Antonio Davis, f, Texas-El Paso
	46. Indiana, Kenny Williams, f, Barton County CC.
	47. Philadelphia, Derek Strong, c, Xavier.
	48. Phoenix, Cedric Ceballos, g, Cal State-Fullerton.
	49. Sacramento, Phil Henderson, g, Duke.
	50. Phoenix, Milos Babic, c, Tennessee Tech.
	51. LA Lakers, Tony Smith, f, Marquette.
	52. Cleveland, Stefano Rusconi, f, Ranger Varese (Italian League).
	53. Seattle, Abdul Shamsid-Deen, c, Providence.
	54. San Antonio, x-Sean Higgins, f, Michigan.
208.98That's a decent team right there!JUPITR::MOKCharles P. MokThu Jun 28 1990 02:5058
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Kings rebuild with four first-round picks
Date: 28 Jun 90 03:18:29 GMT
 
	SACRAMENTO, Calif. (UPI) - The Sacramento Kings fashioned their
unprecedented four first-round picks Wednesday into what they hope will
be the nucleus of a team that will challenge well into the 1990s.
	The Kings selected College Player of the Year Lionel Simmons of
LaSalle with the seventh pick in the draft; run-and-gun guard Travis
Mays of Texas was taken with the 14th overall pick; promising 7-0 center
uane Causwell of Temple got the nod as the 18th pick; and tough
rebounding small forward Anthony Bonner of St. Louis was taken in the
23rd position.
	In the second round, the Kings selected Vernell ``Bimbo'' Coles. A
6-1 guard, Coles averaged 25.3 points over the last three seasons at
Virginia Tech. He also was a member of the 1988 Olympic basketball team.
	``We filled all our needs, but now we are looking for a veteran
point guard,'' said Jerry Reynolds, the Kings director of player
personnel. Reynolds traded Purvis Ellison - last year's top pick - and
veteran small forward Rodney McCray to pick up the extra choices.
	The selection of Bonner, who led the NCAA Division I with 13.6
rebounds per game last year, completed the Kings' history-making day as
the first NBA team to have four first-round picks.
	``He's a good one to make history on,'' said Reynolds of Bonner.
``He's a Jerome Kersey-type player and a Warrior.''
	The selection of Simmons was a slight surprise. The Kings had
coveted Oregon State point guard Gary Payton. But Payton was chosen
second by the Seattle SuperSonics.
	``I got a call about noonish that the Kings were interested in
me,'' said Simmons. ``I talked with Coach (Dick) Motta and he stressed I
would be able to come in right away and play. That's important because
young players have to get minutes to learn how to play.''
	Simmons finished his career at LaSalle as the third-leading scorer
in NCAA history with 3,127 points. He averaged 24.6 points and 10.9
rebounds during his college career.
	``We thought he (Simmons) was the best small forward available in
the draft,'' said Reynolds. ``If we didn't take him now we weren't going
to get him.''
	Following the selection of Mays, Reynolds was beaming from the
Kings' draft headquarters in Arco Arena.
	``Kings fans, as they say in French Lick, Ind. (Reynolds'
hometown), we done caught us a break,'' said Reynolds. ``We were very
surprised he was available. We would have been comfortable with him as
the No. 7 pick.''
	Mays averaged 18.4 points, shot .371 percent from three-point range
and totaled 2,279 points in his career at Texas.
	``It will be a little bit of an adjustment,'' said Mays, who's
expected to be a point guard in Motta's halfcourt offense. ``But the
coach explained they were trying to rebuild at that's fine with me. I
was in the same situation at Texas.''
	Following the selection of Causwell, Reynolds again appeared
surprised the team's pick was available.
	``He's going to be an outstanding center in this league,'' said
Reynolds. ``It may take a year or two, but we've got time.''
	Sacramento's selection of Simmons gave the Kings a logical
replacement for  McCray. The Kings dispatched McCray with two draft
choices to the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for reserve center Bill
Wennington and the Mavericks' two first-round picks.
208.99Purdue's Scheffler picked, what a surprise!JUPITR::MOKCharles P. MokThu Jun 28 1990 02:518
    Stephen Scheffler was picked #39 last night by Charlotte in the second
    round of the NBA draft.  This is a complete surprise.  I wonder why the
    Hornets will want him, he hardly looks like a NBA prospect to me and if
    anything I would have taken many of the players drafted after him like
    Bimbo Coles or Sean Higgins.  I don't think he was projected to be
    picked at all.  Still best of luck for Scheffler.
    
    Charles
208.100Clippers added some playersCIM::BROWNThu Jun 28 1990 09:557
    
    The team to look out for in the future is the L.A. Clippers.  They
    added Bo Kimble and Loy Vaught to a team with Danny Manning.  The
    only problem I can forsee is that they have a lot of stars.  Will
    they gel as a team.  I think they have a new coach also.
    
    /pjb
208.101Here's why:SHALOT::MEDVIDthe infinite complexities of loveThu Jun 28 1990 09:5913
    RE: Sheffler
    
    6-9
    250-pound center
    Big 10 Player of the Year
    Can bench press 350
    
    Allan Bristow, Hornets VP: "Certainly with the 39th pick you're not
    going to have a player everybody's raving about.  We have a void at
    center.  He'll come in and have a chance to make this team.  We made a
    commitment that if we went small on the first pick [Kendall Gill], we
    would go big on the second.  We felt to take a guard there, with
    leftover guards, well, we felt we had to go big."
208.102Sacramento Wins!DECXPS::KHARRISThu Jun 28 1990 10:2312
    Sacramento had what looks to be a great draft. Charlotte will never
    cease to amaze me. Kendall Gill, in my oppinion, was the best shooting
    guard in the draft, but with Chapman & Curry, the logical pick seems
    to have been Lionel Simmons or Rumael Robinson. 
    
    It appears that teams will have an active offseason in the trade
    market. 
    
                                        Kenn
    
    BTW: The best chance of the draft was taken by the Spurs when they
    picked Schintzius with the 24th pick.
208.103Digital Dan'l Draft UpdateSHALOT::MEDVIDthe infinite complexities of loveThu Jun 28 1990 10:3715
    Sacramento traded the rights to Coles to Miami for Rory Sparrow. 
    Interesting.  
        
    I thought the most befitting selection last night was Lance Blanks from
    Texas going to Detroit.  A bad boy for the Bad Boys.  For once, I can't
    wait to see Sir Charles clobber someone as much as I want to see Blanks
    layed out cold.
    
    The Hornets will definitely have to trade a guard.  My guess would be
    Del Curry who would be a great pickup for just about any team with a
    good coaching staff.  Maybe next year the Hornets can get Mourning or
    Mutombo.  They'll certainly have one of the better picks again.
    
    	--dan'l
    
208.104CAM::WAYSnakebitThu Jun 28 1990 10:4112
YAHOOO!!!!

My main man, Tate George goes in the first round, to NJ Nets, 22nd pick.

I'm happy about that because he'll get some playing time, add some
team leadership, and be in his home state.

So, Dan, what can you tell me about the Nets.  If they're gonna
be my secondary team this year, I've got to get familiar with them...

Later,
'Saw
208.105NRADM::BURGESSThu Jun 28 1990 11:006
    HEY 'SAW,
    
    The Nets have a Really good power Forward...........named
    COLEMAN!!!!!:-)
    
    D.C. & TATE THE BIG EAST CONNECTION!!
208.106it's all in their mindsCNTROL::CHILDSSuzie Diamond's Personal Standing OThu Jun 28 1990 11:327
Spurs took the biggest gambles in Dwayne and Higgins but if they
pan out they stole the draft yesterday despite the Kings 4 picks.
The outside shooting of Higgins got to help and Schintzius is excellent
trade bait and better backup than the Brickmasterkoski....

mike
208.107Scheffler-Ross connection34443::HAASsame as talking to youThu Jun 28 1990 11:5912
Why Scheffler? Easy. Doug Ross moves to the Carolinas and the Hornets try
to make him feel at home.

The Hornets actually made a coule of "interesting" picks. They chose
Kendall Gill as their number 1, even though the shooting guard is their
deepest position. Chapman has taken a lot of abuse for his slow
development but the opinion among fellow NBA players is much higher.
Remember, if he had stayed at Kentucky, he would have been in this draft.
It looks like the odd mand out will be Dell Curry, who's already being
shopped around.

TTom
208.108question?COMET::DRIVERThu Jun 28 1990 14:415
    Does anyone know why the Pistons drafted Blanks over Oliver?   I felt
    that Oliver was the logical choice here.  I also feel that this guy
    Scheffler is going to be a very good NBA player.  I think his size
    and soft touch will help somebody.  He would make a real good piston!
    Larry
208.109REFINE::ASHEYou can touch THIS...Thu Jun 28 1990 14:583
    Not sure why, but with their past experience with drafting guards
    (Thomas, Dumars, Pierce, Tony Campbell, even Spud) I'm not going
    to argue yet.
208.110QUASER::JOHNSTONLegitimateSportingPurpose?E.S.A.D.!Thu Jun 28 1990 15:084
   Given the cost of ONE first round draft choice, has anyone heard how
   Sacramento intends to finance FOUR firsts and (I think) a second?

   Mike JN
208.111AUSTIN::MACNEALBo don't know rugby!Thu Jun 28 1990 16:411
    Blanks could be the next Microwave.
208.112UPI NBA Draft AnalysisJUPITR::MOKCharles P. MokThu Jun 28 1990 16:4789
Subject: NBA Draft Analysis
(KEITH DRUM, UPI College Basketball Writer)
Date: 28 Jun 90 16:36:16 GMT
 
	The pencil is sharpened, and it's grading time for the team scores
off the NBA draft:
	Atlanta Hawks -- A team seeking chemistry can learn from the work
ethic and leadership of guard Rumeal Robinson. Second-rounder Trevor
Wilson is a decathlete for a run-and-jump team. Grade B.
	Boston Celtics -- Dee Brown is appropriate for a running team, but
can the aging front court keep up with the draft's quickest player? C
plus.
	Charlotte Hornets -- The Hornets added to their strength with
two-guard Kendall Gill and are hoping he can play point. Even for an
expansion team, it's a risky move. Only a C.
	Chicago Bulls -- The deal for Dennis Hopson is better than any
shooter the 22nd pick could have brought. Second-round Yugoslav Tony
Kukoc is a first-round talent who may be impossible to sign. Bulls get a
B.
	Cleveland Cavaliers -- The only pick, 6-11 Stefano Rusconi late in
second round, isn't the Italian import that matters most for next year.
Grade D.
	Dallas Mavericks -- The Mavs decided to get ``Fat'' for a serious
run at NBA title by adding veterans Lafayette Lever and Rodney McCray
and dropping out of draft except for late second-rounder Phil Henderson.
The payoff could be big, though the price might bring lean years down
the road for an aging team. Give Big D an A minus.
	Denver Nuggets -- Tickets sales are as important as points for this
rebuilding team. Thus, exciting Chris Jackson and prospect Marcus
Liberty make sense. B plus.
	Detroit Pistons -- Lance Blanks is the kind of aggressive
defender-athlete the champions like, but first he's got to make the
team. Only a C.
	Golden State Warriors -- The Warriors deserve high marks just for
not gambling on Dwayne Schintzius, and picks Tyrone Hill, Les Jepsen and
Kevin Pritchard should help. C plus.
	Houston Rockets -- The team needing a point guard stills needs one,
though shooter Dave Jamerson and forward prospect Carl Herrera help. C
plus.
	Indiana Pacers -- Back-to-back second-round picks Antonio Davis and
Kenny Williams are defensive and offensive projects. C minus.
	Los Angeles Clippers -- Bo Kimble and Loy Vaught are two sound
players and people and, most important, both want to play for the
Clippers. Grade A.
	Los Angeles Lakers -- The gamble on Elden Campbell should not be
compared to last year's gamble on Vlade Divac. Campbell is a greater
risk with less payoff. Just a C.
	Miami Heat -- Excuse it, but the Heat is on. Scorer Willie Burton,
big forward Alec Kessler and small guard Bimbo Coles are significant and
appropriate additions for a expansion team with a plan and following it.
Solid A.
	Milwaukee Bucks -- Terry Mills drew mixed reviews, and the Bucks are
hoping they read the right ones in trying to find another Terry
Cummings. B minus.
	Minnesota Timberwolves -- Felton Spencer's size and work ethic and
the scoring potential of Gerald Glass made them good picks. B plus.
	New Jersey Nets -- Derrick Coleman was an obvious choice, while Tate
George and Jud Buechler are the well-schooled types Coach Bill Fitch
prefers. B.
	New York Knicks -- A little surprising that the Knicks, needing help
soon, chose to draft for the future with Jerrod Mustaf. C plus.
	Orlando Magic -- Who else but Dennis Scott for the team that just
tries to score as many as it give up? B as in bombs away.
	Philadelphia 76ers -- Tough-guy Brian Oliver and aptly named Derek
Strong fit with the new Bullies of Broad Street. Worth a C.
	Phoenix Suns -- A healthy Jayson Williams could be a steal, Negele
Knight is a good backup for Kevin Johnson and Cedric Ceballos isn't yet
21. B plus.
	Portland Trail Blazers -- The Blazers get a good prospect with a
late pick for the second straight year. As with Cliff Robinson last
season, Alaa Abdelnaby can help off the bench. Solid B.
	Sacramento Kings -- Two of the four first-round picks -- forward
Lionel Simmons and guard Travis Mays -- will be regulars and the others --
Duane Causwell and Anthony Bonner -- have promise. A minus.
	San Antonio Spurs -- Coach Larry Brown generally doesn't like the
unexpected but he better get used to it with Dwayne Schintzius and Sean
Higgins coming aboard. Middle pick Tony Massenburg is a veritable rock
by comparison. C at best.
	Seattle Supersonics -- The Sonics have gambled some in recent drafts
but point guard Gary Payton was the most necessary pick for now. Grade
A.
	Utah Jazz -- The trade for Jeff Malone, giving up only two support
players and No. 23 pick, was the move of a legitimate contender. Skinny
7-footer Walter Palmer has promise if he isn't caught in a Mark
Eaton-Karl Malone sandwich. Jazz played an A tune.
	Washington Bullets -- This organization finally recognized it
required some serious rebuilding, so the trade for Pervis Ellison is an
understandable, though risky, foundation. Second-rounders Greg Foster
and A.J. English address needs. Only a C for the moment.