Conference 7.286::sports_90

    Now I have it:
    
    Hamilton Tiger Cats
    Winnipeg Blue Bombers
    Toronto Argonauts
    Edmonton Eskimos
    British Columbia Lions
    Calgary Stampeders
    Ottawa and Saskatchewan Rough Riders/Roughriders
    
    John

    Great ...
    
    Could someone post the final standings, and the Grey Cup result
    for me. Any kind of figures would be nice.
    
    Point For Discussion.
      My father lives in West Germany, where he works on the Canadian
    Forces Base in Lahr. He retired from the Canadian Forces recently,
    and stayed in Germany.
      Whilst visiting him in September, I watched a CFL game between
    Saskatchewan and Toronto on the Canadian Forces Network. At half time, 
    the broadcasters said something about merging with the NFL. 
      Has anyone else heard anything about this ? What do you think?
    I know that there are differences between the two games, but that
    shouldn't pose that much of a problem.
    
    						Regards,
    						Wayne. 
    

That would be interesting.

Actually, anyone with an active imagination could come up with
some scenarios...

The differences, from what I remember:

	In the CFL:

		o Field is longer and wider.  Belive the field is 110 yds..
                  The "55 yd line" is designated "C".

		o End zones are 15 yds deep.  (Dan Schneider *would* do
		  well in the CFL ;^))

		o You have *3* downs to move the ball 10 yards, which
	          results in a lot of punts on 3rd down

		o 12 men per side.  On defense, the extra position is
		  called "Rover" I think...

Interesting concept:

	If the leagues don't merge, it would interesting to see the
	Super Bowl winners and the Grey Cup winners square off each
	year.  Odd years, they play by NFL rules, Even years they play
	by CFL rules.  

	I bet it would spark more interest than the Pro Bowl!

Chainsaw
		

A few more rules I think I remember...


Touchbacks get the kicking team 1 point(either on a punt or a kickoff) I don't
think you're allowed to put the ball through the back of the endzone...

Kickoffs that go through the uprights get the kicking team 2 points I think..

ANybody remember any more ?

Metz

    Isn't the neutral zone between D and O lines bigger ?
    
    I think that the CFL changing to play NFL rules, and adding one
    half of the Teams into the AFC, and the other to the NFC under
    two new divisions (Canada West, Canada East) would be a good Idea.
    I don't think that the many U.S. cities hoping for an NFL franchise
    would appreciate that though.
    
    Wayne

    I thought the CFL was in real financial difficulty ..... several
    of the teams have gone/are going broke ..... attendance is spotty
    across the league.
    
    I heard something about the CFL going away and several of the
    teams joining the NFL ...... I guess that Toronto, Montreal and
    some Western cities could support an NFL franchise.
    
    
    Greg

    The financial aspect is what I'd heard. But I didn't know any
    background or anything. Are some of the teams that bad off ?
    
    With rumours of European franchises, maybe a real world
    Championship ?
        
    Wayne

    Another thing you *must* keep in mind about the CFL is their
    weather.
    
    If they ever merge their teams with the NFL, they better either
    all have domes or schedule all their away games for December.   An
    outdoor Edmonton vs. Calgary game in late December or January
    would put the famous 1967 Green Bay-Dallas "Ice Bowl" game to
    shame.
    
    Don't they play the Grey Cup in November partly because of
    December-January weather up there ???
    
    Bob Hunt

    re .8
    
    You bet Bob. Warren Moon talked once about a GreyCUp game he played
    in where the air temp was something like 20-30 below, not counting
    wind chill.
    
    (Observers say he also was incredible in that game too.)
    
    That's par for the Canadian ourse ... :-)

    No fair catches?

    re: -1
    
    Nope, no fair catches.
    
    I reckon it's the best part of the Canadian game and one of the worst
    in the American game.
    
    The team which has punted may race downfield and kill the punt
    returner.  It works like this:
    
    The first player downfield gets him around the waste.
    
    The next 10 players all jump on him at the same time!
    
    
    No, seriously, the kicking team must leave a five yard distance from
    the player receiving the ball until he touches it.
    
    Then they kill him unless it goes out of bounds or into the End Zone (1
    point for the kicking team.)
    
    rick
    
    

    Does that cause many turnovers ?
    
    If so, then its sort of like a Hail Mary Pass on 4th Down.
    
    If ever a merger were on the cards, then I guess they could/would
    change their season to match the N.F.L.
    
    						Wayne.

    Wayne,
    
    One would think that the absence of the fair catch would cause more
    turnovers, but I doubt if that's the case.  The field being so much
    wider really gives the receiver a bit more lateral room to run away
    from the mob.
    
    But I haven't seen a lot of games on either side of the border lately,
    so maybe someone else more up-to-date could comment.
    
    rick
    

    I've been away from home a long time and we don't get to see too
    many CFL games on ESPN here in Dublin but if memory serves me right
    the late cuts from the NFL each season had a hell of a time getting
    used to the 5 yard rule on punt returns. Some new guy playing his
    first game would forget where he was, see the punt returner not
    calling for a fair catch and then do his best imitation of a Mack
    truck. Another trick was for the receiver to wait until the ball
    hit the ground and rush forward to get the ball while someone was
    in the 5 yard area thereby getting a 15 yard penalty tacked onto
    whatever yardage he could get. Now I think the referee waives it
    if he thinks the tacklers were trying to get outside the 5 yard
    area. Any player who was behind the punter when he punted the ball
    is eligible to runin and get the ball before the punt returner touches
    it without incurring the "no yards" penalty. I can remember some
    punters kick the ball as high as they could and then run under it
    to catch it. Great fun to watch.
    
    Football trivia question: Name the only quarterback who caught his
    own forward pass?

    I'll be surprised if there is ONLY one QB to ever catch his own forward
    pass!!  On several occasions I've seen a QB pass the ball, a defensive
    lineman bat it up into the air, and the qb catch it and run with it.
    
    Is this not the catching of a forward pass?
    
    
    
    Nelly

    Didn't Elway do it for a Touchdown ?
    
    			Wayne
    

    Yes.  On that play, we credit the quarterback with a pass thrown
    and a pass received.  I don't believe the team is allowed to attempt
    another forward pass on the same play.
    
    Also, otherwise ineligible receivers become eligible receivers once
    the ball is tipped.  Both Brian Holloway and Sean Farrell have caught
    passes while playing for the Patriots.  Pete Brock caught passes
    earlier in his career but he was lined up as an eligible receiver,
    Holloway and Farrell were lined up at their customary interior line
    spots.  Brock used to line up as a wingback on short yardage
    formations. 
    
    John

    
    
    on Grey Cup....
    
    I heard that all the Grey Cup games will be played in the SkyDome in
    Toronto....... is this true?????

    
    A few more rules of the CAnadian Version:
    
    1) Defense has to line up 2 yds off ball.
    
    2) The backfield and receivers can move towards the line of 
       scrimage before the ball is snapped.
    
    3) When a fumble goes out of bounds the last team to touch it before it
       goes out gets the ball.
    
    4) I believe they only have to have one foot in bounds on a reception
       but I'n not certain.
    
    Shane
    

    
>    2) The backfield and receivers can move towards the line of 
       scrimage before the ball is snapped.
    
>    3) When a fumble goes out of bounds the last team to touch it before it
       goes out gets the ball.
    
>    4) I believe they only have to have one foot in bounds on a reception
       but I'n not certain.
    
the Donk's play by CFL rules too.....  ;^)

    

    I'm the one who posed the question about the QB who caught his own
    pass. I did mean a pass that was not touched by a defensive player.
    Sorry I should have phrased it more clearly. All that aside I read
    somewhere that Eddie Lebaron was the one who had that claim to fame.
    This was quite a few years ago and as somebody said earlier it's
    probably been done many times since.
    
    Ted.

    Could somebody tell me what team did Conredge Holloway (U.T. VOLS) play
    for? I thought he was the most exciting QB ( College ) in the early
    70s.

    Holloway played for Ottawa at the beginning of his career.
    
    It seems to me that he then got traded somewhere - TO or Hamilton??
    
    He was quite a ballplayer but got stuck with some funny teams.
    
    rick

NFL players in the CFL:
Montreal Alouettes: Johnny Rogers (Heismann winner)
		    Vince Ferragamo
		    Tom Cousineau
		    Fred Biletnikoff
		    Billy 'White Shoes' Johnson
		    James Scott (Bears)
		    David Overstreet (died in car accident while w/Dolphins)
		    Turner Gill (Nebraska)
Winnipeg: 	    Dieter Brock
		    Willard Reaves (now w/Skins?)
		    Tom Clements (Notre Dame/KC)
Toronto:	    Terry Greer (Browns)
		    Joe Theisman
		    Terry Metcalf (Cards)
Ottawa:		    Art Schlichter (Ohio St./Colts)
		    Damon Allen (USC/brother of Marcus)
BC:		    Mervyn Fernandez (Raiders)

I used to follow the Alouettes a lot but they folded in the early
'80s. Teams are comprised of 15 Canadians and 17 Americans (maximum),
or is that the opposite? Any ways, it's a bush league since 95%
of the players can't make the NFL.

Andy

    I strongly resent that last remark, Andy. It's true but I still
    strongly resent it.
    
    Ted.

    Gil Fennerty formerly Toronto Argonauts standout signed a two year
    deal with the New Orleans Saints. 
        Good luck Gil, I hope you have a successfull career like
    Warren Moon and Joe Theismann.
    
    Ric

    Anyone know what the terms ($$$$/years) were for the contract Major
    Harris signed with British Columbia?
    
    
    py

    WBZ radio just reported that the British Columbia Lions are about to
    sign Doug Flutie to a multi-year contract.
    
    With the Lions having recently signed Major Harris, the $64 question:
    Why?
    
    
    py

    
       Because they like to collect scrambling, scatter-armed,
    flash-in-the-pan QB's??? :^>
    
    Bull~
    

>>    
>>   With the Lions having recently signed Major Harris, the $64 question:
>>   Why?
    
	More aptly, the $64 question should be, "Who Cares?"

kevin

    From what I understand, Flutie will be traded soon to another club.

    
    Flutie signed a contract with B.C. last night. He will be their
    starting QB. Harris has really stunk. He never learned to throw
    the ball. Keeps throwing into double and triple coverage. Half his
    passes have been intercepted in scrimmages. Kapp may eventually
    trade Flutie but not before someone teaches Harris how to throw
    the ball.....

    The  only way they'll keep Harris is to rn the option for Barry
    Sanders. Cuz he's daidly once he's outside.

    No, "they" realized that British Columbia is close to where JD is
    and "they" know how much JD adores Flutie so "they" did the RIGHT
    thing and brought Flutie closer to JD.
    
    Rich
    

    
    >    Flutie signed a contract with B.C. last night
    
    Funny, I thought his eligibility at B.C. was up.
    
    Dickster
    

    Thank's Rich.   Now CBC will probably be showing the Pass on
    highlights..
    JD

    Yeah, JD, I can see it now......you work a hard week, buy a six-pack
    of some manly-man Nor'western brew on the way home, sit down to
    watch "Football Night in Canada" and........there he is!!! #22.
    Doing shaving commercials. You say the heck with that and open the
    newspaper. You read "If only they would give Doug a chance."
    
    You burn the paper. You turn on the radio and hear that BC (as in
    British Columbia is changing the team name from Lions to eagles
    to be more in line with Flutie's character. You toss the radio out
    the window, gulp down a mug of manly-man Nor'western brew and head
    out to see a flick. Right after the no smoking message comes short
    subjects; "Flutie starts for BC" followed by clips of "The Pass".
    
    You pass out from stress, wake up and find yourself in a green jersey
    with the number "33" on the front. The EMY standing over you says,
    "Look at those pecs, Gomer. This here must be Larry Bird"!
    
    Rich
    

    Good stuff, Rich!
    
    If I'm not mistaken both Flutie and Eason made a commercial for Victor
    Kiam's Remington Co. during last year's training camp didn't they?
    What a wasted production that was, eh Vic?!

    Rick,
    
    Not so soon after lunch - ggez, I almost tossed my cookies.  You
    forgot one thing  though, the EMT's were probably Cam Neely and
    Terry O'Reilly...;=)
    
    JD

    Now wait just one minute, there, JD. Terry O'Reilly is GOD..8^)
    
    Rich
    

    Gee, where's Doc Midnight? Wasn't he whining about the NFL scouts
    "ignoring" Major Harris ???
    
    Whaddya think now, Doc? Were the scouts right or wrong?
    
    JoJ

    Mark Gastineau has been waived by BC.  It is not expected that he will
    be picked up since he signed a huge personal services contract with the
    BC owner.  If he isn't picked up, he'll be assigned to the practice
    squad.

       I think I read that he had 2 tackles and one sack in the games he
    played. Although he was tossed out of one for getting into a fight on
    the way to the locker room at halftime.
                                          Denny

       Correction, make that 1 tackle and ZERO sacks. He's even worse than
    I gave him credit for.
                                          Denny

    Anyone know if Major Harris got re-signed, maybe as Flutie's backup?
    
    haw haw haw haw

    re .47:
    
    Major Harris is currently on the 30-day injured reserve list.
    
    
    py

    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Either that or their trying to find out where his presumed passing
    skills went....they'll never find them.

    You still haven't told me what K-K-K-Kenny has done lately, have you ?

 >>>   You still haven't told me what K-K-K-Kenny has done lately, have you ?
    
    You mean besides finishing first in a recent QB contest that included
    Cunningham, Kosar, Marino, and some other notables? I don't know what
    he's up to other than that.
    
    Is there some reason you are so interested in Kenny? Could it be, as
    I've always suspected, that you are actually a big K-K-Kenny fan?
    
    So, now that your out of the closet, so to speak, regarding your
    admiration for O'Brien, are you gonna answer my question from about a
    month ago?You know, the one where I asked you if you still thought the
    NFL scouts were "ignoring" Harris?
    
    JoJ

    
    
>    You mean besides finishing first in a recent QB contest that included
>    Cunningham, Kosar, Marino, and some other notables? I don't know what
>    he's up to other than that.
 
    What contest is that ? Quiche eating ? Wetting his pants under
    pressure ? Singing falsetto ?   
    
    What has he ever done in a real game ? A meaningful one ?
    
    
>    are you gonna answer my question from about a
>    month ago?You know, the one where I asked you if you still thought the
>    NFL scouts were "ignoring" Harris?
    
    When you can get my words straight, instead of buliding fantasy
    questions, you might get an answer .....
    JoJ

    
     I'm looking for some general information on the CFL.  How is the
     league holding up financially.  What team is favor to win the Grey
     Cup this year.  How are the Ti-cats looking this year.
    
    
    
     Jeff

    Any team that has Sir Douglas of the Heights is the automatic
    Grey Cup favorite.  So bet on BC.
    
    NAZZ

    Just a note to let you know that this years Grey Cup
    champions are the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.  They beat the 
    Edmonton Eskimos in a not so common boring, one sided game, 
    not typical in the C.F.L. in the last few years.
    
    
    Score:  Winnipeg 50    Edmonton 11
    
    Jim

    The "Winnipeg Blue Bombers"???????????
    
    Sounds more like a roller derby team, to me!!!!
    
    JaKe
    

Jim --

I saw part of that game, and it was pretty interesting.

Could you, for sh*ts and grins, put in the final standings from
the league?

Also, how do you score 1 point?  

thanks,
'Saw

Yo 'Saw,

>>Also, how do you score 1 point?  

There are no fair catches in Canadian football.  (This makes kickoffs and punts
verrrry interesting because 12 guys are trying to squish one at the same time.)

If the ball is kicked, punted, or fumbled into the end zone and out the back
of the end zone or one of the sidelines inside the endzone, it's a point.
Otherwise, should the receiving team touch it the same rules apply as in the
American game as far as a safety goes (the only difference being that the
player who takes possession gets killed and *then* his team loses 2 points).

BTW, the Fair Catch is the only thing I've never liked in American football.
Somehow takes something away from the game...

HTH, 

rick ellis

    Can any of you Canadian football afficionados tell me whatever happened
    to former Notre Dame QB Tom Clements? I knew he won the Grey Cup a
    couple of times with either Hamilton,Winnipeg or Toronto. Rumor has it
    that he is working as a lawyer in Chicago.  Thanks.
    
    
    
    ML
    
    

    Another thing I like about the Canajin game is that with 3 downs, the
    game has to be a little more wide open. There is also unlimited
    movement in the backfield and the 12th man is an extra back/reciever.
    
    How is the league doing health-wise? I keep hearing that it's on it's
    last legs, which would be a shame if it folds.... You can blam it all
    on Nelson Skalbania, the Canadian George Steinbrenner, if it happens.