Conference 7.286::sports_90

    
    JORDAN is a big jerk!
    

                                                  
    Like it or not, Jordan IS the quintessential basketball player.  
    He also happens to have a benevolent personality.  
    
    sean

    
    Jordan should learn how to play as a team!  Not a one man show.
    They will never win a championship with him on their team.
    
    Why doesn't he play on the slam dunk contest???
    He would loose, thats why.
    
    Hal
         o
    GO CAVS

    
    	Jordan has won the Slam Dunk contest twice.  He clearly dominates
    it (how many other players have won it twice in a row?).  How many
    Chicago games have you seen?  They are clearly not a one man team.  
    
    	Perhaps you are still upset about that last second jumper one Michael
    Jordan hit against the Cavs in the deciding playoff game that gave
    Chicago the win??????  
    
    sean
    

    
    No, not upset at all.....I'm used to it!
    
    Hal
         o
    GO CAVS - A real Team.

    Hal, you seem to have a problem with any player not playing for
    one of your beloved Cleveland teams. Honest, buddy, there's nothing
    wrong with praising a player from another team. Especially Micheal
    Jordan. Or the 49ers. Jordan is the best player in the league right
    now, bar none. And if you dont want him on your team, I'll take
    him.
    			Raider_Rich
    

Watching Jordon dominate yesterday's game against the Knicks was what
being a spectator is all about.  I didn't use to like Jordon when
he first came into the league, but now I have the utmost respect for him
as a player.  I also think the Bulls' are less one-dimensional now than
they were a couple of years ago.  Having Pippen and to some degree Cartright
in the game, takes some of the pressure off of Jordon for rebounding.

I also think Jordon is one of the most underrated DEFENSIVE players in the
game today.  You have to give credit where credit is due.

Dale

    That Cleveland fan is crazy.  Take it from a Laker fan, I'd take Jordan
    in a minute.  He'd be great coming off the bench to spell Byron Scott.
    ;) ;) ;)
    
    Laker_Ken

    2 years ago Jordan was voted " Defensive Player of the Year". He
    led the league in scoring AND steals. Awesome. The man can PLAY!!
    			Raider_Rich
    

    RE: Jordan in the slam dunk comp.
    
    from what I understand, MJ is having problems with his knees and
    decided it would be <intelligent> to sit out this years slam D and
    enter the three point contest.  Sounds like his brain is larger than
    his ego to me.  (If anyone had seen the highlight of the game before
    the Knicks, Jordan jumped over his defender to slam it on home, there
    can be no doubt that, if he wanted it, he could probably walk away 
    with another slam-dunk belt.)
    
    As far as being a one man team...  HA HA HA, if you were coaching,
    what would you ask him to do, stop throwing in points, assists, or
    digging up rebounds?  RE-dick-you-louse (ridiculous)
    
    Go_Bears... um, I mean Go_Bulls,
    
    Chip  
    
    

    Isn't Jordan in the three point shooting competition?
    
                                             
    py

    
    	yep.  detroit at chicago tonight.  whatta game!  go chic!!
    
    sean

    Uh, actually, there is no guarantee that MJ would win the Slam Dunk
    Contest.
    
    two years ago, everybody felt that Dominique Wilkins had won it,
    but that Jordan got some serious hometown cooking. I agree.
    
    And I'm a Jordan fan too, but 'Nique, Spud, Drexler, Otis Smith,
    and a few other guys can certainly beat Jordan in the SDC ...

    -.1 
    
    so true doc, I mean't to say I didn't think MJ was petrified about
    entering the contest.
    
    Chip

    What's so great about a slam dunk (contest) anyway?  To me, a slam dunk
    means nothing more than forcefully pushing the ball through the hoop to 
    ensure that (1) the ball is guarenteed to go in and, (2) a defender
    cannot possibly prevent it from going in.  The rest (motions) is pure
    garbage, same as those choreographed, praticed in front of a mirror
    touchdown dances.  Sure, it sends people into a frenzy, but does it add
    any value to the business at hand (winning the game)?
    
    The BS that you see with slam dunking is why I would like to see it
    prohibited from the game.  If there were only "pure" dunks for scoring
    purposes only, I wouldn't mind a bit.  This mid-air dancing is a farce.
    
    Thank you very much.
    
    Hawk 

    
    	what wrong with the Slam Dunk?  It is a portrayal of pure
    athleticism/freedom.
    
    sean

    Unfortunate as it may be, I'm afraid H`awk, like myself, is beset with
                 the terminal (and sometimes contagious) WMD.
   This much feared malady imparts an insidious side effect resulting in a
                            vertical leap of 3.5"
                               (on a good day)
          It also tends to make one bitter about slam dunk contests.

                                     HTH
                                   Mike JN

    Actually, Mike JN, what really makes me bitter is watching young kids
    grow up dreaming about doing dipsy-do 360 triple summersault slam dunks
    instead of concentrating on perfecting an 18-foot.  How many high 
    schoolers, college, and even pros waste valuable practice time trying
    to imitate a Michael Jordan or thinking up new stunts instead of
    shooting an extra 20-30 foul shots, hoping to raise their percentage
    to help the team win?
    
    It makes me sick to pick up my local paper with the different sports
    writers oo-ing and ah-ing over the local high school star because he
    can alley-oop slam, and has done so a few times in games.  I wonder how
    many hours this kid and his buddy, the star guard, have wasted on this 
    form of useless "artistic impression"?  I wonder how many college
    scouts are watching unimpressed, and noting that other more important
    aspects of their games need considerably more work?
    
    No matter how I feel though.  The public loves it, and they pay to see
    it.  Unfortunately, money talks, and the kids see this.......
    
    Hawk
    
    P.S.  I used to be able to dunk too, before the gut!  But, back then,
          it was useless- not allowed except in the pros.  Therefore, we
    	  worked on other stuff- like foul shooting.  To this day, I will
          never leave a basketball court without making 20 in a row......    

    Re: .14
    
    I agree with what you said about WIlkins two years ago.  He got jobbed,
    by the judges and fan reactions.  In the charisma department, Dominique
    comes up short next to Jordan, and that hurts anything as unscientific
    as slam dunks.
    
    >And I'm a Jordan fan too, but 'Nique, Spud, Drexler, Otis Smith,
    >and a few other guys can certainly beat Jordan in the SDC ...
    
    Maybe, but anytime he's in a slam dunk competition, Micheal must be a
    prohibitive favorite.  Put it this way, would you bet against him?
    
    Dan

    Hawk, when I was playing HS ball, we werent allowed to slam in
    practice, and if we missed in a game, we ran laps. Lots of 'em.
    Trust me. Slamming seems like a one-dimensional (scoring) activity,
    but it helps a guys rebounding ability, and it helped me a whole
    lot cause I'm only 5'11". I could, and occasionally still can,
    jam and outrebound guys 6-8" taller than me. I'm not saying that
    kids should be tryingg to slam, but if a kid can do it without breaking
    fingers, again, trust me, let them go. But, also make him shoot
    foul shots, and short jumpers.
    				Raider_Rich
    

    Maybe Dan, but only aginst 'Nique and a couple of others. IMO, THHF
    (The Human Highlight Film) throws down his dunks harder than anybody
    since the Doc (not me, the Other Guy :-). In fact, his array of
    windmill jams beat Jordan back in 86 or 87.
    
    Hawk, I agree with you about fundalmentals, but if dunking wasn't
    a distraction, it would be something else. Don't let your "purist"
    tendancies blind you.
    
    The dunk (jam, stuff, whatever), is a art form IMO. I could see
    it becoming an Olympic event by the 2000 or 2004 games if we aren't
    careful ....

    Finally a chicago bulls notes file.....I occasionally look around for
    a notes file on the bulls and never found one.  Its about time one
    turned up.  Well as you can see its march and most of the notes in here
    are from january.....just because the Pistons are hot doesnt mean you
    can count the rest of the eastern conference out of it.  I started
    reading this notes file and  had to laugh at some of the replies in
    here.  Michael Jordan is hands doen the #1 player in the league today
    and sure maybe he scores alot of points what a terible thing to do he
    has some nerve.  I think Jordan will see that championship ring in the
    next 3 years (Thats with the bulls).  There currently 8th overall and
    2nd in the eastern confernce but they still have like 12 or 13 home
    games left.  Theyve only lost 4 home games this season only 1 team has
    less loses at home the pistons.  Its to bad that Cleveland wont be
    making the playoffs this season it would be nice to see them destroyed
    in the 1st round by the Pistons (Only thing that would be better would
    be the bulls whippin them)  Looking forward to being in a notes file
    that talks about a Championship Team of the Future father than Ex
    champion has been teams.
    								Mike

    Jordan stinks!!!
    
    	How is his finger anyway......thats what you get when you
    	put it where someone doesn't want it!  HeHeHeHe
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    Oh my God!  Another Brooks!

    	All right!!  Another Bulls fan!!   Watchout for those Detroit
    fans, Mike.  They'll be throwing dastisticks and facks at you that
    make Chicago look like a first round NIT loser. 8^)
    
    	The Bulls, like the Sixers have the home court "advantage" going
    through the rest of the season.  Let's hope they use it to their
    advantage to get within 3-4 games of Detroit.  I'd like to see Chicago
    draw Cleveland, just so they can spank them again, but I think it
    is going to be either Milwaukee or New York (you heard it here first!)
    in the opening round.  
    
    sean

    
    Cavs - Bulls mini-series: Tonight in Chicago, next Wedn. in Cleveland 
    (on TNT).  It's war!    
    
    Why all the anti-Cleveland sentiment from Bulls fans..  You guys poor 
    winners, or what?  
    
    /Jeff

    	re: /Jeff

    	I guess being told by a Cleveland fan that Chicago was a one
    man team with no supporting cast and that their victory over Cleveland
    was a fluke did it for me.  Also being told by a Cleveland fan that
    Jordan was a ball hog and a "jerk" (eariler in this note) iced it.
    	Cleveland does have a good team, barring injuries.  Last years
    record shows that.  Nance used to be one of my favorite players
    (back during the Phoenix days).
    	  
    sean                    

>    record shows that.  Nance used to be one of my favorite players
>    (back during the Phoenix days).
    	  
    sean, Nance is the ONLY player I've ever seen reject a Kareem sky-hook!
    Remember when he won the Slam Dunk contest in his second year?
    
    The local version of Johnny Most (Al McCoy) use to call him Leapin'
    Larry.
    
    Mike

    >sean, Nance is the ONLY player I've ever seen reject a Kareem sky-hook!
    >Remember when he won the Slam Dunk contest in his second year?

Mike, Bill Willoughby (he's the answer to another trivia question as well) did it
during the '81 playoffs for the Rockets, when they upset the Lakers in 5 and
prevented a repeat.

Dan

>            -< It happened more and more in his last season or two >-
    
    Dan, I know but it wasn't as big a deal.  Willoughby & Nance did it in
    the early '80s when the captain still had it.
    
    I give up, what's the trivia question for Willoughby?
    
    Mike

    
    Willoughby went from high school straight to the pros, like Moses and
    Dawkins....
    
    mike

    I believe that cleveland had a good record last year but thats not
    saying they had a good team.  If you compare this years Cavs to last
    years I think we would all agree that theyve gone down hill a little.  If
    this is true and A One Man Team was able to knock them out of the
    playoffs last year Imagine how embarrasing it would be if they met in
    the playoffs again.  I dont think we even have to discuss the
    possibilities of chicago meeting the Cavs in the playoffs, the cavs are
    currently 1 1/2 games behind atlanta and if they play chicago on wed's
    theres another one for the loss colume.  I havent seen the results of
    last nights games yet but Chicago Has a tough one against Phoenix, at
    least its at home.  And the cavs are playing someone at the same level
    sacramento.   As far as playoffs are concearned I would like to see
    Chicago VS Atlanta match up in the 1st round.  Chicago being the #1
    team and atlanta the #8 team.........GO BULLS!!!!!
    
    								Mike

    The Cavs are only 1/2 game behind Atlanta and have played one less
    game............
    
    Claybone

    While injuries are not to BLAM, comparing lasted year's Cav's to
    thised years' Cavs' is like comparing Schneider and MrT.  Ron Harper
    is gone.  Nance, Price and Daugherty all missed significant portions
    of the season, resulting in CLeveland getting a very bad start.
    They have a solid ballclub, and I'd think they'd be a worthy opponent
    in the playoffs. Also, Hot Rod WIlliams missed some time, along
    with other folks on the team.  I'm not a Cav fan, but will give
    them the benefit of the doubt.
    
    JD

    
    Re: .33
    
    Based on that note, it's fairly obvious you aren't really in touch with 
    NBA reality.  
    
    >I believe that cleveland had a good record last year but thats not
    >saying they had a good team.  If you compare this years Cavs to last
    >years I think we would all agree that theyve gone down hill a little.  
    
    No, it was truely a fluke that they finished with the 3rd (or was it
    2nd) best record in the NBA, they definetly didn't have a "good team".
    Unfortunetly they peaked at mid-season, not at the end of the year as 
    they are this year.  Do you even know, for instance, that the Cavs have 
    been decimated by injuries for 90% of the year, and just now starting to 
    hit stride (won 7 out of last 9).  I'd be real suprised if the Cavs 
    don't make the playoffs, as the 7th seed.  
 
    > but Chicago Has a tough one against Phoenix 
    
    In terms of your "tough game" last night, obviously, you're unaware
    that Phoenix is in the middle of a nasty tail spin right now.  Chicago
    should have and did win their game last night.    
    
    >As far as playoffs are concearned I would like to see
    >Chicago VS Atlanta match up in the 1st round.  Chicago being the #1
    >team and atlanta the #8 team........
                  
    Chicago finishing as the #1 seed is a pipe dream, they do have to 
    pass up that team from Detroit first.  
    
    Tomorrow night in Cleveland, we'll get another good indication if the 
    Cavs are truely back..  I wouldn't put it down as a Bulls victory just 
    yet, Mikey.  
    
    /Jeff
                   

    	The one man Bulls upended West sensation Phoenix last night
    by 29 points.   Pippen got lucky and scored 27 points (took Michael
    out in the end of the third quarter, 28 points).   
    	
    sean

>    >I believe that cleveland had a good record last year but thats not
>    >saying they had a good team.  If you compare this years Cavs to last
>    >years I think we would all agree that theyve gone down hill a little.  
>
>    No, it was truely a fluke that they finished with the 3rd (or was it
>    2nd) best record in the NBA, they definetly didn't have a "good team".
>    Unfortunetly they peaked at mid-season, not at the end of the year as 
>    they are this year.  Do you even know, for instance, that the Cavs have 
>    been decimated by injuries for 90% of the year, and just now starting to 
>    hit stride (won 7 out of last 9).  I'd be real suprised if the Cavs 
>    don't make the playoffs, as the 7th seed.  

    	Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Cavs finishing seventh
    prove that they have "gone down hill"??  They may have had a good
    record last year, but a far less superior Chicago showed that they
    did not have a conference championship type team.  This season,
    admist pre-season discussion that the Cavs would be the team to
    beat, the Cavs have not been able to live up to their billing.
    
    sean       	

    	Dan, nobody corrected your mistake so I will.  8^)  The Lakers
    lost in the miniseries (3 games), by losing both games in the Forum,
    (it wasn't the great, fantastic fabulous Western Forum then) and
    winning the one game in Houston.  And the Lakers had about as much
    a chance of repeating that year as the Celtics have of winning the
    championship this year, none.
    
    				/Don

    
    Sean,  I don't remember seeing any pre-season discussion saying the 
    Cavs would win it all.. in fact I didn't see one sports mag that picked
    them to even win the division.  One the other hand I did see some
    experts picking Chicago.  
    
    Yes, they have gone down hill since last year, but I can't see any team
    which lost 3 of its 5 starters from the previous year improving.  
    Remember that last years Cavs peaked at about mid-season when Price got 
    elbowed by (I believe) Mahorn.  After that point the Cavs were only 
    playing .500 ball and weren't exactly hot going into the playoffs. 
    On the contrary Chicago was hot, evidenced by the fact they made it to
    the Eastern finals and gave Detroit their toughest series of the
    playoffs.  The 5 game series against Cleveland wasn't exactly a
    cake-walk you know.  
    
    /Jeff 

    >Sean,  I don't remember seeing any pre-season discussion saying the 
    >Cavs would win it all.. in fact I didn't see one sports mag that picked
    >them to even win the division.  One the other hand I did see some
    >experts picking Chicago. 

	Street & Smith predicted Cleveland would win the Central Division...

 
    

    
    Look for the one man team to loose big time tonight.....
    
    	Daughtery will have one of his best games of the year!
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    >And the Lakers had about as much
    >a chance of repeating that year as the Celtics have of winning the
    >championship this year, none.     
    
    Lakers won the Championship in 1980.  Lakers won the Championship in
    1982.  There's plenty of reason to think that they could have in 1981
    as well.
    
    Dan

CHICAGO (117) AT CLEVELAND (113) - FINAL IN OT

CHICAGO
                                               REBOUNDS
PLAYER           POS  MIN  FGM-FGA  FTM-FTA  OFF-DEF-TOT  AST  PF  ST  TO  PTS
======           ===  ===  =======  =======  ===========  ===  ==  ==  ==  ===

GRANT             F    40    7-14     2-4      2   3   5    4   4   1   2   16
PIPPEN            F    41    3-10     1-2      2   6   8    7   5   5   8    7
CARTWRIGHT        C    39    3-7      3-4      1   4   5    1   5   0   3    9
JORDAN            G    50   23-37    21-23     7  11  18    6   5   4   2   69
PAXSON            G    23    1-4      0-0      0   0   0    1   6   0   2    2
ARMSTRONG              29    2-7      2-2      0   1   1    3   5   2   1    6
DAVIS                  11    2-3      0-0      1   1   2    1   2   0   1    5
KING                   17    0-4      1-2      1   0   1    1   2   2   0    1
PERDUE                 12    0-0      0-0      0   4   4    0   3   0   0    0
LETT                    3    1-1      0-0      0   0   0    0   2   0   0    2

TOTALS                265   42-87    30-37    14  30  44   24  39  14  19  117
                            (.483)   (.811)  TEAM REBS: 10

CLEVELAND
                                               REBOUNDS
PLAYER           POS  MIN  FGM-FGA  FTM-FTA  OFF-DEF-TOT  AST  PF  ST  TO  PTS
======           ===  ===  =======  =======  ===========  ===  ==  ==  ==  ===

NANCE             F    37    4-10     3-4      3   4   7    2   6   0   3   11
BENNETT           F    20    2-4      2-2      2   1   3    1   3   1   3    6
DAUGHERTY         C    45    2-9      6-8      2   7   9    2   2   2   3   10
EHLO              G    44   10-23     3-5      2   7   9    3   6   1   3   26
PRICE             G    44    6-14    17-20     0   2   2    8   3   1   3   31
J WILLIAMS             42    8-12     7-9      2   8  10    1   6   5   4   23
BROWN                  15    1-2      0-0      0   0   0    1   1   1   0    2
KERR                    6    0-0      2-2      0   0   0    0   0   0   1    2
ROLLINS                 4    0-0      0-0      0   0   0    0   2   0   0    0
MORTON                  8    1-2      0-0      0   0   0    4   0   0   2    2

TOTALS                265   34-76    40-50    11  29  40   22  29  11  22  113
                            (.447)   (.800)  TEAM REBS: 10

   CHICAGO            27   26   36   16   12  -  117
   CLEVELAND          26   24   28   27    8  -  113

BLOCKED SHOTS: CHI - GRANT, JORDAN, PERDUE. CLE - NANCE 3,
DAUGHERTY 2, J WILLIAMS 2, BROWN. 
3-PT. FIELD GOALS: CHI 3-7 (.429), JORDAN 2-6,
DAVIS 1-1. CLE 5-15 (.333), EHLO 3-7, PRICE 2-7, MORTON 0-1.
TECHNICALS: CHI - HEAD COACH JACKSON, PAXSON CLE - HEAD COACH WILKENS 
(2).
OFFICIALS: BAVETTA, CLARK, FINE.
A - 20,273. 

    On Jordan, ESPN had one of their playbacks on the 1982 NCAA finals.
    
    During one of the breaks, they posed a question on who made the
    1982 Consensus All-America team.  During a following break, they
    listed the players, and had the following:
    
    Michael Jordan, Georgetown
    
    I was flabbergasted, which is not to be confused with farfrignewtoned.
    
    Wonder how many calls they got on that one?
    
    Lee

    	I cain't figure out your logic Dan.  The Lakers struggled to
    win 50 games that year and were beat at home by the Rockets.  Why
    would they have repeated?  That's like saying the Celtics would've
    won in '85 because they won in '84 and '86.
    
    				/Don

    
    /Don it simple, Dan is talking about the Lakers. All of his objectivity
    is thrown out the window on this subject. Kinda of like Dock talking
    about the Celtics....
    
    Dan remember this Celtics 8 Lakers 2......
    
    mike

    
    	Great great great great game last night in Cleveland.  I finally
    figured out why Cleveland fans hate Jordan so much... because he's
    averaging 52.3 ppg against them this season!!!!
    
    	At one point in the second (or was it the third?) quarter Jordan
    was 17-23 from the field!  He was simply unstoppable, hitting some
    of the most amazing double and tripled teamed shots of his career!
    He had a couple of monstrous break away dunks to boot.
    	                       
    	Jordan is now 8th all time in highest scoring game.  Wilt holds
    6 of the higher ones.  INCREDIBLE!!!!!! What a game to watch.  When
    Jordan had 33 early on I knew this was going to be the night.
    
    sean

    Hey WhiteHead, Munch, Munch, Munch. BTW, I heard they had to replace
    the nets after Air Jordan ripped 69 pts. through them :-)
    				Rich
    

   > 	I cain't figure out your logic Dan.  The Lakers struggled to
   > win 50 games that year and were beat at home by the Rockets.  Why
   > would they have repeated?  

You forget that Magic missed a big chunk of the season and returned very
late.  The Lakers really weren't used to each other anymore.  Kareem had
taken over and led them into the playoffs, and then Boom, Magic's back,
everything's different again.  In that situation, Houston upset them.  If the 
Lakers had the playoffs to go through and get used to playing together
again, it's not inconceivable that they take the title.  At that stage in the
early '80s, they were clearly a better team than the eventual champions.

Dan

    
    what a load of palukha. you can't be serious Dan. these guys are pros,
    you know the one on one league. get use to one another a better group
    than the eventual champs rich Dan rich. Magic was tragic and Kareem
    disappeared against aggressiveness of Moses.....
    
    hahahahaa
    
    mike

Well Mike (whom I see is wearing his Green Dockers today), the Lakers were
definitely better than 1981's champs in 1980 and in 1982.  That begs the
question what was so different in 1981.  Was it the composition of the
Celtics?  No.  In fact they were probably much better in 1982, after
losing Chris Ford from the starting lineup.  Was it the composition
of the Lakers lineup?  Yes.  

Dan

    	Dan, you're full of it.  The 1982 Laker team was the first one
    to start with the zone trap defense.  The 1981 team was confused
    and out of it.  Magic's absence accounted for the less than stellar
    regular season, but he was back in plenty of time for them to beat
    a sub-standard Houston team in the playoffs.  What was the excuse
    for '83?  For '84?  For '86?  I need a good laugh this afternoon.
    
    				/Don

    	Who started this Laker-Houston rathole anyways?????  This
    is the FAB MONEY JORDAN topic. Take yer fruitless digressions
    elsewhere! *8^)
    
    Chicago plays NY, Friday.  Should be a good game.  NY has been living
    on skid row as of late, they're going to want revenge.  Money's
    probably going to cool down a little after last night's game.  Look
    for Pippen to score a lot more.
    
    sean

           
    
    Dan, pure speculation on your part that the Lakers of 80 and 82
    were better than the 81 champs. We lost Bird all last season so
    I know what it's like to loose your star ballplayer for 45 games.
    How long was Magic back for two weeks or so before the playoffs?
    Bottom line in the series as I recall was the Lakers had no answer
    for Malone and the Capt'n was only 33 or so at that time. Given
    that the Lakers had no answer for Houston's physicall game what
    can only speculate the beating they would have taken from the
    physically agressive Celtics. Celtics beside being physical also
    had a fair fastbreak led by Tiny, pictures of brooms dance in
    my mind.....
    
    ;^)

Gee, /Doncker, the best player misses 45 games of the season with
a severe knee injury, he comes back with a few games to play in the
regular season, the team as a whole doesn't have time to catch on,
and YOU don't think that makes any difference?

As an experienced Laker watcher and contest winner, let me be the first
to say (well Steven, scholar and gentleman that he is, beat me to it) that
you don't know what in hell you're talking about.

Dan

    	Dan, back in the Supersonics note, Hawk suggests that you were
    doing something while watching the lovely Marina.  Well you're doing
    the same thing here when you're talking about the '81 Laker team.
    
    				/Don

    >How long was Magic back for two weeks or so before the playoffs?
 
Magic came back in the last week of the regular season.  By that time,
the Lakers had changed their game drastically from when he was in 
there, and they showed the pains of transition in getting it back.

    >Bottom line in the series as I recall was the Lakers had no answer
    >for Malone and the Capt'n was only 33 or so at that time. Given

Jabbar was 36 at that time.  Bottom line was the series was extremely
close, and hinged on one missed running one-hander by Johnson from
being the Lakers series instead of the upstart Rockets.   Malone was
great, but no way, no how were the Rockets a better team.  Look at the
season records.  Look at the personnel.

It is educated speculation which leads me to assert that if the Lakers had
pulled that one out instead of being upset, and then gone into the longer
series and got a chance to play together a little more with Magic in the 
lineup, that the same juggernaut which rolled over the NBA for the '80 and
'82 seasons might well have rolled over the Celtics in 1981.  Kareem would
have dominated Parish, Magic would have dominated Archibald, and it would
have been great to see Stormin' Norman expose Chris Ford as the worst
starting guard in the NBA.

Dan

>                  Bottom line was the series was extremely
> close, and hinged on one missed running one-hander by Johnson from
> being the Lakers series instead of the upstart Rockets.
  
    I'm surprised you brought up the fact that the Lakers _might_ have
    made it had Magic not thrown an airball up from inside the paint.
    
    Bruce  
    

    <In 1981 Jabbar was 34. He's about six months older than me.
    
    ...mike
    

    I hate to interupt this very boring subject but could someone direct me
    to the CHICAGO BULLS note file.  IT seems to have dissapeared to a
    group of (Or 1 or 2 quick tying) Laker fans.  All this TALK TALK TALK
    about the lakers.  When the lakers can win as many championships in a
    row as the Celtics of the Sixty's give me a call but untill then please
    bring your discussion to WARLRD::LAKERS you may actully find people who
    agree with your opinions.  About a hundred notes ago someone had the
    nerve to say that Chicago takeing spot 1 in this years playoffs was a
    pipedream.  While last year I picked the chicago bulls to make it to
    the finals against detroit (Of course I underestimated them I had them
    losing in 4, sorry bulls).  I got all kinds of SH!$ saying there was no
    way they would make it past the cleveland someone's and even if they
    did that NY would whip em bad.  I guess that you could have considered
    that a pipedream that came true..........
    
    Although I dont want to add this comment here but as far as the lakers
    go they should have felt very lucky to have repeated.  As far as I can
    tell it should have been 2 in a row for Detroit.  If you rememeber
    Detroit lost a game on a Rodman Donut that would have one it all for
    detroit.  All the lakers fans thought they were better than detroit so
    they came back the follwoing year and SWEPT the lakers off the Floor. I
    guess that should have proved who the better team was, but I would bet
    my life that some laker fan out there has a Million Excuses for the so
    called best team in the NBA.
    
    The only thing better than watching the lakers get swept in the finals
    would be to see Michael 'Air' Jordan go one on one against Magic. I
    would predict if they play a game of 21 it would be something like
    
    AIR 21	Magic 2
    But Magic will never let this happen, he couldnt take the Humiliation.
    (SP).
    						Just a Jordan Fan
    						Mike Brooks

    
    re: .79
    
    You really believe Chicago can make up 5 1/2 games on Detroit with only
    14 to go..   Like I said, you're dreamin'  And I know what dreamin' is 
    all about, cause I'm a Cleveland Sports fan!   
    
    /Jeff
    

    
    your educated speculation and 50 cents can't even get me a cup of
    coffee...
    
    what a line, I love the way you can spin em....
    
    mike

    	
    	re: .79 (the last RELATIVE note) 8^)
    
    	Mike, I'd really like to see Chicago make it to the finals again
    this year.   They should win the first round game against Milwaukee
    (or possibly NY) in 3 straight.  The semi's they will most likely
    draw Philadelphia.  That should be a great series.  How has Chicago
    done against them this season anyways???  Hopefully they will blow
    by Philly with their past "experiences" and give Detroit a run for
    their money!   
    	Chicago seems to be getting more solid every year.  In the next
    couple of years I can only see them improving their game.  Let's
    hope for a ring in the next 3 years!! 
    
    sean

	hey 'Saw, do you know? 8^)
    
    sean

    	'Saw hasn't seen to many Spike and Mike commercials has he!!
    WHAT's YOUR EXCUSE, PAL???? 8^)
    
    remember, this was only a test...

RE Mike and Spike...

No, sorry, I've only seen two of them, and only one time a piece.

Come to think of it, I haven't seen that much TV this week at all.
(I've been trying to plow through Henry V and I can't concentrate
wif da TV on....)

Seems that Spike and Mike are taking a back seat to Will....

latered,
'Saw

    Re .73  "It is educated speculation which lead me ...."
    
    Clearly, this is Dan's version of SWAG!!!111   :*)
    
    lEe

    	Jordan scores 49 Friday against NY and 47 Sunday against Miami
    in 2 Chicago wins.   Whaddayathink, runner up for player of the
    week?  8^)
    
    sean

< Note 121.93 by LEVERS::STROUT "Akeem the UNSTOPPABLE!" >
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

He was stopped last night.  Big Boss Man pinned him good!  8^)

	Chainsaw..... okay, you got me there...  Olajuwon doesn't have
    a good suplex move, anyways.  8^)

    Michael Jordan was named NBA Player of the Week for last week.
    
    
    py

    Are there people out there who still doubt the bulls ability ?????
    MJ would have won player of the week against any performance with his
    stats for this past week, Olajuwon couldnt touch last weeks
    performance.  As far as who will be #1 in the east I realy dont think
    that its over.  Bulls were 5 1/2 behind Detroit with 14 games left.  As
    of last night (before games dont know the results yet) they were 4
    games back with 11 games to go.  That means they made up 1 1/2 games in
    3 games.  Not bad hay....
    The Ultimate would be bulls up by 1 going into the last game of the
    season Bulls VS Detroit Sun Apr-22 in detroit 1:00 CBS    What a game..
    	Next 11 Games
    APR-03 Indiana at Chicago		APR-03 Boston at Detroit
    APR-05 Orlando at Chicago		APR-05 Detroit at Atlanta
    APR-07 Chicago at Dallas		APR-06 Milwaukee at Detroit
    APR-11 Cleveland at Chicago		APR-08 Detroit at Cleveland
    APR-13 Milwaukee at Chicago		APR-10 Detroit at New York
    APR-14 Chicago at Washington	APR-11 New Jersey at Detroit
    APR-16 Chicago at Indiana		APR-13 Atlanta at Detroit
    APR-17 Boston at Chicago		APR-14 Orlando at Detroit
    APR-19 Washington at Chicago	APR-19 Philadelphia at Detroit
    APR-20 Chicago at Boston		APR-20 Detroit at Indiana
    APR-22 Chicago at Detroit		APR-22 Chicago at Detroit ******
    
    I see them winning 8 or 9 minimum of there last 11 games.....
    the only problem is I see detroit winning at least 6....
    
    Could be intresting.......
    								Mike
    

    	thanks for the schedule, Mike.  I've been trying to find one
    all weak!  How did Chicago fare against Indiana last night anyways?
    After Detroit's romping they were up by a few...
    	looks like Chicago's final 11 games are going to be interesting.
    
    APR-03 Indiana at Chicago	  	should be a W      	
    APR-05 Orlando at Chicago		should be a W
    APR-07 Chicago at Dallas		ugh.... who knows on this one?
    APR-11 Cleveland at Chicago	        cleveland's mildly upset 8^)
    APR-13 Milwaukee at Chicago	        winner.
    APR-14 Chicago at Washington        winner.
    APR-16 Chicago at Indiana	        could go either way
    APR-17 Boston at Chicago	        should be winner
    APR-19 Washington at Chicago        winner.
    APR-20 Chicago at Boston	        too close to call.
    APR-22 Chicago at Detroit	        great closing game.
                                                           
    	How about 9-2 to finish the season?  Sounds reasonable.  I don't
    see them catching Detroit however.   Anything can happen though.
    
    sean

    as You proberbly know by know both Detroit and Chicago won last
    night.  They both had tonight off tomorow we should have a win
    against Orlando and Detroit is playing atlanta....hoping for a
    hawks win on this one.  Definatly looking forward to the playoffs
    So how about the west coast are the lakers going to roll thru the
    playoffs like they did last year or should we see a little more
    compitition out there this year.  Last year was a little boring
    the lakers swept there way into the finals and got swept out.  Id
    rather see a little better matchup in the finals....At least a 6
    game match....
    
    							mike

    	Chicago beat Orlando last night.... Detroit beat Atlanta.  Doesn't
    look like Chicago can take the division.  They should wrap up second
    place in the conference though if they continue to play decent ball.
    Hopefully, the way things are finishing up, Chicago will draw Milwaukee
    for the opening round of the playoffs.  They fared pretty good against
    them this season.  In a best of 5 series I'd say Chicago has a strong
    chance at sweeping the opening round, then drawing Philly for a
    tough second round playoff matchup.  The home advantage will be
    the key to Chicago's success, and should propell them into the
    championship round against Detroit, who should coast past their
    first round opponent (Cleveland/Indiana/Atlanta) and most likely
    Boston as their second round opponent.
    
    sean

	notice the topic title change.  remember, ONE MAN IS NOT TO
    BLAM!!!!!11  
    
    sean

    
    re: .102
    
    Sean, based on the way detroits been playing since the Dummars injury,
    I don't think they're gonna be cruising by anyone.  They looked 
    relatively un-Piston-like against the Nance-less CAVS yesterday.  
    
    Plus, don't take a first round victory for granted..  the regular
    season standings don't mean do-da in a 5 game mini-series.. as we all 
    learned last yer.  
    
    /Jeff

  	FWIW, Dumars will be back by the first round of the playoffs...
    I for one am not going to count them out as early as everyone else
    seems to be doing.
    	A first round loss would be great for Chicago because it would
    insure home court advantage throughout conference play.  I'm trying
    to be realistic, though.
    
    sean

    Detroit has 7 games left and Chicago has 8 and there only 2 1/2 games
    out.  With the way detroit and chicago has been playing it is very
    possible that it could come down to the last game of the season.  I
    feel they have a very good chance of still taking 1st place.  The only
    bad part about chicago taken 1st place is that they have to beat the
    celtics twice to have a shot at it.  With only a week and a half left
    its getting close but Im still hoping the Bulls will pull it off.  They
    have a good enough team and I think with Home court through the
    playoffs they would definatly make it to the finals.  Proberbly against
    the Lakers........What A Series that will be...
    
    Bulls 57 wins Detroit 56.......

    	The Bulls play Cleveland at home Wednesday night.  A win puts
    them 2 games behind Detroit and puts the current winning streak
    to 8 (i believe).  Cleveland is seeking revenge for the Jordan 69
    point tear that resulted in a Cleveland overtime loss a week or
    so ago.  
    	Hopefully Jordan will light the scoreboard and singe the nets
    one more time!!!
    
    BTW, Mike, I agree that the #1 seed could go down to the last game.
    Especially because Dumars is out.  I hadn't thought about it before
    but Jordan will be able to flame Detroit without Dumars guarding
    him.  They might end up putting Rodman on him however.. We'll have
    to see how that works out.
    
    
    sean

    
    If Nance is out, Cleveland will have a very tough time beating Chicago
    in Chicago.

    	Did Nance play in the last game?  I think he did but he didn't
    contribute too much.  Price, Ehlo and Williams were the players
    that were giving Chicago a problem.  Daugherty had a horrific game
    last time.  
    	The key to Chicago beating Clev. one more time is to not get
    into foul trouble like before (Paxson, Cartwright...).  Does anyone
    know if/when Hodges will be returning to the lineup for Chicago?
    His presence as an outside threat can open the inside game for Chicago
    (Pippen, Grant, Cartwright...).  Something tells me Cleveland is
    going to try some new tactics on Jordan, so it is going to be important
    for other players on the team to perform better than last time.
    
    sean

    
    
    I'm pretty sure Nance played last time.  Lenny should start coaching
    like KC jones...
    
    C Daugherty   43 minutes
    F Nance       42 minutes
    F Williams    48 minutes
    G Price       48 minutes
    G Ehlo        48 minutes
      Rollins     11 minutes

    Nance did NOT play for Cleveland Sunday vs Detroit.  He is listed
    as doubtful for tomorrow's game vs Chicago.  
    
    BTW, here are the remaining games for Detroit and Chicago.
    
    	DETROIT			   CHICAGO
    
    4/10 at New York		4/11 Cleveland
    4/11 New Jersey		4/13 Milwaukee
    4/13 Atlanta		4/14 at Washington
    4/14 Orlando		4/16 at Indiana
    4/19 Philadelphia		4/17 Boston
    4/20 at Indiana		4/19 Washington
    4/22 Chicago		4/20 at Boston
    				4/22 at Detroit
    
    Biggest game for both teams is tonight's Detroit game at New York.
    If Pistons beat the Knicks, Chicago can't catch them, IMO.
    
    BTW - who leads the series series between Pistons and Bulls?
    
    NAZZ

	Chicago hasn't done too great against Detroit this season, even
    though Chicago had the uper hand with 3 home games to Detroit's
    2.
    
    	I think this is how the series went:
    
    Nov. 7  at Chicago 117-114 Chicago wins
    Jan 9  at Detroit 100-90 Detroit wins
    Jan 23 at Chicago 107-95 Detroit wins
    
    and the last time they met Chicago lost at home (the game right
    before Detroit's skid on the West coast, Dumars injury..)
    
    sean

    	BTW, didn't think about it but outside of Detroit, Chicago has
    a 32-2 record at home!!

    They also played on Mar-16 does anyone know what the outcome of that
    game was.  If chicago lost that would give Detroit a 3-1 lead right
    now so the best chicago can do is 2-3 agaist them (and that is what
    they will do against them this year).....Its very possible that they
    could end up in a tie for best record in the east.  Would this be
    decided by Head to Head Compitition for the season ????
    
    I would hate to see Detroit get the #1 slot because they had a 3-2
    edge over Chicago.....Detroit hit the High Point during the season
    and the bulls are playing there best ball right now when it counts.

    	Yes, I checked and Detroit does lead the series 3-1 right now.
    If the season was to end in a tie Detroit would claim first place
    and Chicago would be dropped to 3rd for the first round of play.
    	Tonight is a big game at home against Cleveland.  Atlanta beat
    Philly last night so Clev. has to keep pace so they don't lose 8th
    place.  Detroit beat NY at NY last night, nailing one more stake
    into the coffin for first place.
    
    sean

    
    Cleveland can lose tonight and still be in the 8th place slot.
    They beat Atlanta 3-2 this year.  Though, I'd much rather see
    a victory.

    
    	Chicago basketball = one man team
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    	DETROIT			   CHICAGO
    
    4/11 New Jersey		4/11 Cleveland
    4/13 Atlanta		4/13 Milwaukee
    4/14 Orlando		4/14 at Washington
    				4/16 at Indiana
    	 			4/17 Boston
    4/19 Philadelphia		4/19 Washington
    4/20 at Indiana		4/20 at Boston
    4/22 Chicago		4/22 at Detroit
                                
    	Chicago is 3 games out (2 more losses with 2 less played games).
    To win the division title they are going to have to surpass Detroit's
    record since a tie would result in Detroit's favor.  Effectively,
    Chicago needs 3 Detroit losses and all Chicago wins or any combination
    that matches up.  Looking at the schedule, Detroit will have to
    lose it's last 3 (home to Philly, away to Indiana and home to Chicago).
    This requires Chicago to win the remainder of their games and finish
    with a league season high 16 game win streak.  It's looking pretty
    impossible.
    
    sean

    
    It seems very impossible, based on your reasoning Sean, because
    tonight, they are going DOOOOOWWWWNNNN!!!!
    
    The CAVS have rediscovered the inside game!  Look for Daugherty, 
    Williams and Bennet to have big, big games tonight!  
    
    /Jeff

    Well I have not yet seen the results of last nights games but if both
    Detroit and Chicago did not win I will be very suprised.  I think
    chicago had an easier game schduled, playing against the cleveland
    wimps but chicago may try to save some strength over the next 8 games.
    I see 3 absoulute victories in detroits schedule so It looks like
    detroit has claimed 1st place, that NY victory was a big one.
    
    I have a ?'s for .116 strout, even if chicago has the 2nd best record
    in the league they still drop to 3rd.  The 1st place teams get spots
    1 and 2 regardless of there record....This means that it is possible
    for a team with the 6th or 7th place team accourding to there record
    could actually take the #2 spot in the playoffs??????
    								MIke

    
    Yes Mike that is possible but only for the first round matchups. It's
    the prize you get for winning your division. In the second round they
    forget about who finished where in their respective divisions and base
    the matchups soley on their records....
    
    mike

    
    Great trample by the Bulls against Cleveland last night in Chicago.
    106-87 was the final score with the one man teamed Jordan accumulating
    a stunning 22 points (what a ball hog! 8^).  The highlight of the game
    came when Mark Price slammed the ball down on the court and got
    called for a technical.  He objected, saying he had never got a
    technical before in his life (with cuss words mixed in) and the
    ref gave him another.  SHOWER TIME BABY!!!
    
    This mikes 8 or 9 in a row for Chicago now.  Detroit won a close
    one against NJ last night (something like 98-93) so there was no
    ground gained.
    
    re: Mike
    
    Right.  The first and second place go to the division winners according
    to record.  Then slots 3-8 are filled according to record.  However,
    after the first round, the team with the best record gets the home
    court advantage.
                    
    sean

    
    	Ok now....I've got something to say about the game the other
    night against Jordan...IT STUNK!!!
    	You said Price was thrown out of the game for saying he never
    had a technical called on him with a few cuss words added in...
    THAT IS A LIE!  Mark Price does not cuss...he is a very religious
    guy.  The truth to the game is.........The guy was holding onto
    Price, so Mark sort of pushed him to get outside the 3point line.
    The official then called a foul on Price...what a joke...Mark was
    getting maulled by the guy.  Mark, being very upset, bounced the
    ball on the floor one time then the first technical was called.
    Thats when Mark started heading to the bench...but...did the official
    head the other direction???  Noooooooooo, he followed Mark and it
    looked like he was egging him on, then Mark said he couldn't
    beleive he got the call.  Technical #2 and out of the game.  Thats
    how the game went.  No breaks for the Cavs.  Pippin was a real jerk
    this game too.  Ehlo was guarding Jordan very close and caused several
    turnovers.  Jordan could not score with Ehlo on him.  No fouls were
    ever called with this matchup...but...Jordan was getting upset with
    the good coverage by Ehlo and started faking injuries...first his
    knee, then his hand...etc.  Pippin started throwing elbos at Ehlo.
    No fouls called...it was really rediculas!  The announcers even
    mentioned the fact that Cleveland has been being picked on by the
    officials in the last two weeks...just as I said.  In any rate...
    the 2nd half starts and Cleveland just plays with their 2nd string.
    
    Screw Chicago!
    
    Wait for the playoffs!
    
         o
    Go CAVS!

    >THAT IS A LIE!  Mark Price does not cuss...he is a very religious
    >guy.  The truth to the game is.........The guy was holding onto
    
    Jim Bakker is very religious too.  Didn't stop him from playing
    keep-away with his church's money.  Hey /Don, I read yesterday that
    Mother Theresa is retiring.  Maybe Mark Price could volunteer from her
    job!  Whattaya think, Hal?
    
    					Steve

>                         -< MARK PRICE!  WHAT A GUY!! >-

        Didn't he go to Georgia Tech?  Ok.  That explains A LOT 8^)
    [dripping with sarcasm]   I can assure you that when Price got his
    second technical he was not CALMLY pleading with the ref in a
    missionary position.
    
    	Besides.  Jordan ROOLZ. 8^)

>    THAT IS A LIE!  Mark Price does not cuss...he is a very religious
>    guy.  The truth to the game is.........The guy was holding onto
    
    Mr. Whitehair (sorry forgot your first name) is correct.  When
    Cleveland was in Phoenix, Price & KJ (who's also a Christian) got 
    both teams together for a Bible study (sponsored by FCA (Fellowship of
    Christian Athletes)).  
    
    Anyone can cuss out of frustration, even if he did, nobody is perfect.
    
    Mike

Yeah, I cuss like a stormtrooper, and it don't mean I'm a bad guy!

When I was in Phoenix, me and Babs (who's also a Druid) got together for a
Nature study (sponsored by FPA (Fellowship of Pagan Athletes).  
    
There was NO cussing! The only people I've EVER heard cuss were Christians.

This is true. (I swear on a Bubble)

Beware Ragnorak, Dewds and Lewds
Mike JN

Long Live Wotan!

Odin ain't so bad neither...

Chainsaw

>    THAT IS A LIE!  Mark Price does not cuss...he is a very religious
>    guy. 


	Ya right, and Danny Ainge is a devout Morman and we all know he
doesn't cuss or do any other kinds of nasty things on the court either!!!!

	Mr WriteLock, please try to get in touch with reality sometime soon
will you!!!! :-)

JimH

    
 

    
    I saw the game also and Whitehair's claims are total BS. Price did not
    head towards the bench after the first T. He was in the refs' face to
    the point that another ref came running over to get Price away from the
    him. He deserved what he got. Jordan faking injuries is so ludicrous to
    not deserve comment. Pippen and Ehlo were battling but to claim that
    Pippen was hammering him with elbows is total BS. If you want to see
    some elbow throwing check out Wayman Tisdale sometime. Face the facts,
    Cleveland is a mediocre team at best. Price is good, Daugherty is way
    over-rated, Nance is old and the rest should be happy to still be in
    the NBA. There is noway this line-up will ever win a title, be it the
    league title, the conference title or even a division title.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    Oh Pippen was picking on Ehlo and the Refs where being so Unfair.
    Price is perfect and didnt deserve the Technicals and Jordan was crying
    over faked injuries......It sounds like someone is trying to make up
    excuses for why his team lost to the one man (22 points) team.  Enough
    on that topic Chicago somehow managed to lose to Washington, a team
    that could even be considered worse than cleveland (Maybe).  This has
    cost them the chance of taking the #1 spot, I know its still
    mathematically (SP) possible but I dont see detroit losing too many
    more games, other than the season closer against chicago......It looks
    like we will have to settle for spot 3 in the opening (2nd best overall
    record).  Id like to see the celtics up against Detroit somehow in the
    second round.  Im not so sure that detroit has what it takes to go all
    the way, could be celtics-Bulls for Eastern Conference Title.  This is
    possible not likely but Id like to see it........By the way the most
    wins anyone in the east can get (Other than detroit) is 54 (Philly) and
    chicago has 53 wins right now, Maybe its time to rest some key players
    
    								Mike

    
    2 in a row, now.  Indiana.. 
    
    The house of cards is tumbling down.. just in time for the playoffs!  
    
    /Jeff

    
    Jeff, now that the pressure is on... Jordan will come through, if you
    know what I mean.
    

    Grownowski Get A LIfe Watch :
    
    Day 20 and counting ....

    
    	HOOT...
    
    	No way man!  What I said is what I saw...Maybe because I watch
    the Ohio Sports Channel I get to see everything from Clevelands
    angle.  Come on now...give me a break...in that game, Jordan had
    a foot injury then later had a hand injury.  Now tell me I'm wrong..
    
    	What game did you say you watched???
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    First of all there is only one camera crew at the games. So I saw the
    exact same pictures that you did. I saw it on WGN. In your previous
    note you claimed Jordan was faking injuries. That is what said was
    total BS. Yes, he did turn an ankle and bang a hand. That is hardly
    faking injuries. 

    
    	Hoot,
    		I beg to differ with you reguarding there only being
    one camera crew at the games.....ref...game against Atlanta...
    one channel I get had the Cleveland announcers...another channel
    had Atlanta announcers...and...there were TWO camera crews there!
    At half time...I got to see all the replays...thats ALL THE REPLAYS!
    Plus, I get to hear what is said with everyone else is at commericals.
    
    	Hal
    

    They do have more than 1 camera crew at the game, but that doesnt
    mean they are playing different views of the game on different channel
    and each channel that picks up the game has there own announcers.  So 
    if you have a cleveland channel with cleveland announcers then they are
    naturally going to put down a guy who comes in and dominates there team
    on a consistenly basis.......3-2 last year playoffs is going to be
    rememebered by cleveland fans for a long time and they want to here
    people putting down MJ so weather its true or not is not the point the
    announcers are going to say what they want the fans to here.   Now if
    you dont understand this concept HAL its not something I can explain It
    common sense......
    
    Like I said earlier once they lost to Wash they were out of reach of
    catching Detroit...I dont think there going to play at 100% against a
    team thats not going to be in the playoffs.....Just think if chicago
    was playing Cleveland this week they may have had a chance.....
    
    And they proved this last night by Beating Boston 111-106 in a game
    that counts.  They may meet boston in the playoffs and 1/2 the game
    is having a mental edge.....
    
    Great game, especially the last few minutes.  It could have went either
    way chicago got overconfident near the end and played sloppy which
    alowd the Celtics to catch them....But when it came right down to the
    end Bird missed a 3 pointer and then at the other end MJ blocked and
    stole a pass and then buried a 3 pointer at the buzzer.....
    
    Not sure on His stats I had to leave right after the game but He was
    somewhere in the hight 30's like 38 or 39 with 11+ rebounds.  Slow
    game....
    				Bulls fan hoping for Easy first round
    				against Cleveland (Too bad there not
    				good enough to get spot 6, I'd like to
    				see an easy 3 game sweep for the bulls
    				in the 1st round......
    								Mike

    
    	Want to know what a real team effort is.....
    
    		Price...........17 points
    		Nance...........17 points
                Daugherty.......17 points
    		Ehlo............17 points
    		Hot Rod.........19 points
    
    		Thats a real team effort!
                                                                o
    	I too only wish that Jordan (one man team) played the CAVS 
    	in the playoffs.  In any rate...Brooks...I wouldn't call
    	a series 8 - 8 record agaist the Cavs...domination.  Anyway,
    	look for the BULLShitters to loose it all in the end!  They
    	will never win a championship with a one man team (Jordan)!
    	Ever!  Do you get the point???  or are you just a "dead head"
    	(tm) to the fact?
    
    		* one man team (Jordan) (tm)?
    		* Jordan (one man team) (tm)?
                * dead head (Brooks) (tm) (fack)!
             o
    	Go CAVS!
    
    

    
    	Oh yea...
    
    		BULLShitters (tm)?
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    
    Easy, Hal, easy.  Don't get the Chicago fans too upset.  
    
    The playoffs start next week.  At that time the Bulls fans will get a 
    dose of reality.  Sure are confident that they're gonna go all the way
    this year, aren't they!  
    
    

    	Oops, I was going to give a serious reply to the last 3 notes
    and then someone informed me that the author's of those notes were
    Cavs fans.  Don't worry guys, it's understandable that you need
    to vent your teams laughable, disgraceful performance against a
    quality Bulls team that has completely and outrightly dominated your 
    team this season and was the source of their early departure from the
    playoff picture last season. 
    	
    	FWIW, Not ONE Bulls fan said they were going all the way.  This
    "confidence" you talk about is simply another creation that has
    so absorbed your minds that you live only to mock the Bulls and
    never will give them the credit they so obviously deserve in the
    eyes of all other true basketball fans.
    
    	Keep it up though, this is great stuff for my Freudian research
    paper on abnormal psychology.  thanks.
    
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    	It was a good game played last night by the Bulls.  They led
    from the opening tip to Jordan's 3 pointer at the buzzer.  The Celtics
    did give them a run for their money though, but every time they
    got close the Bulls turned it up a bit.  This win almost clinches
    second place in the standings for the Bulls.  Looks like it will
    be Milwaukee in the opening round.  They have done quite well against
    them this season (4-1 I think).  
    	After the disappointing last 2 losses they needed something
    to prove their playoff worthiness.
    
    sean

    
    Sean,
    
    In case you forgot:  1989 regular season  Cavs 6  Bulls 0
                         1989 playoffs        Bulls 3  Cavs 2
    
    The regular season doesn't mean diddley, it's a matter of who is hot when 
    the playoffs start.. Chicago has had a good year, now let's see how
    long they survive in the playoffs.  
    
    

    	The regular season matters A LOT.  Having the home court advantage
    is usually the difference between life and death for a team.  Teams
    that perform the best during the regular season are the teams that
    have the best chance of winning the championship.  As a stat, I
    wonder how teams that just make the playoffs have done in comparison
    to the top teams in the playoffs.  I doubt there are too many
    cinderella stories there.  And as you advance closer to the
    championship round the real teams (division winners, runner ups)
    come out.
    
    	I guess Cavs fans still have hard feelings since the roles of
    Chicago and Cleveland have reversed this year.  Unfortunately for
    Cleveland, there will be no miracle victory.  Gone and long forgotten
    after losing 3 straight in the first round to Detroit.  And as for
    Chicago, they are still a very young team but with the experience
    of last year they should make it to the conference finals with the
    help of home court advantage.   They're only problem should be with
    Philadelphia.
    
    sean

    Well hal it quite clear that your not very bias on the subject of the
    chicago bulls (I dont blame you) If I was a cleveland fan Im sure I
    would hate and put down the bulls just like you and the other 2
    cleveland fans in the world.  The 3 of you could however put together
    a notes file of your own.  Ive only seen 2 of you that I would consider
    cleveland fans but Im assuming there may be at least 1 more.  As for a
    1 man team, although I dont agree its better than a 0 man team.  Even
    you must agree that a team with 15 more wins than cleveland has to be
    considered a better team....I dont see how one man could be responsible
    for so much.   He's (MJ) is only averaging 33.? points a game and there
    team average is over 100+ someone has to be scoring those other 77+
    points, unless you thing the score keeper is adding an extra 50 or so
    points during the game and no one notices........And I to have not seen
    any notes that said the bulls would go all the way, but anyone with any
    knowledge what so ever on basketball can clearly see that they will go
    further than cleveland....even someone with as little knowledge as you
    must agree........well maybe not.  I wont bother argueing the Dead-Head
    thing I too would proberbly be unreasable if my team was as bad as
    yours.  
    As far as Cleveland going 6-0 and then 2-3 against cleveland last year
    let me ask you this (Hausrath) if you were on a team would you rather 
    go 0-6 during the regualr season and then whip a team on ther home
    court 3-2 in the playoffs or vice versa....Being a cleveland fan you
    may actully like the first option and this would futher prove the state
    of mind of a cleveland fan.
    As far as cleveland going 0-3 against Detroit, they have not yet
    clinched a playoff spot, although that lousy team from chicago clinched
    one what seems like 2 months ago.  Well have a nice day, I actully
    starting to hope that cleveland does make the playoffs.  That will give
    us bulls fans more time to apprecite the PIPE DREAM of any cleveland
    fan go down the drain this year and many years to come....
    
    							Mike "AIR" Brooks
    

    Well I was just looking over last night's results and Cleveland may
    have secured them a spot in this year's playoffs.  So it looks like
    cleveland has 5 games left this season.  Should be an intresting
    weekend, san antonio defeated utah last night and that makes them tied
    in ght midwest Division.  San antonio has to play denver and Phoenix,
    and Utah gets to play Minnesota and Houston, should be intresting.
    Boston won but so didnt Philly, this should secure Philly with the
    atlantic division title.  Does anyone know what the Boston VS Philly
    standings are ???  Tonights Predicitons...
    
    	Philly upset Detroit
    	Bulls crush washington
    	Houston sneaks by denver by 2
    	Seatle rools over sacremento
    
    						Have a nice day :-)
    						Michael "Air" Brooks

    
    Philadelphia is 2 up on Boston.  Both have two tough games left.
    

    re .156:
    
    >	Does anyone know what the Boston VS Philly
    >	standings are ??? 
    
    Unless Boston wins their last two games AND the 76ers lose their last
    two games, Philadelphia wins the Atlantic Division (note -- the Celtics
    and 76ers play each other Sunday).
    
    
    py

    	Mike, I'm pretty sure Chicago has nailed up second place in
    the eastern conference standings.  It is also definite that they
    will be playing Milwaukee in the first round.  Do you think they
    can win it 3 in a row?  The first two games should be a good indication
    of how they are going to perform in the playoffs this year.  If
    they win 2 easily look for them to glide to the conference finals.
    If they struggle, it could be an entrirely different story.
    	I'm very impressed with their 35-5 home record.  I think only
    the Lakers have a better home record then them?  (Detroit and Utah
    have the same record, I think...)                                
    
    Detroit-Cleveland:   Detroit in 4
    Boston-NY:  Boston in 4
    Philadelphia-Indiana:   Philadelphia in 3
    Chicago-Milwaukee:  Chicago in 3 
    
    sean

                                                           
    re: MBrooks (aka Mr. All-knowing), I'd hasten to say that there are MORE 
    Cavs fans active in this conference than Bulls fans.  So get off your 
    high horse.
                                                                         
    My point about 6-0 vs. 2-3 was simply to show that regular season
    results have no bearing on the outcome of a 5 game (or 7 game) playoff
    series.  If you were too dumb to pick that up, that's your problem.  
    Obviously, anyone would trade the 6 regular season wins for a series
    win in the playoffs.  
    
    And stop assuming that every CAVS fan is bitter about last years playoff
    loss.. that was last year, besides, noone was going to get by Detroit.
    
    Chicago has had a better year than the Cavs.  Great, big deal.  The
    second season starts next week.  Let's wait and see who goes further.
    Right now the CAVS are poised to take the 7th spot away from Indiana,
    could be a much easier series for the Cavs against Philly, they match
    up much better.  
    
    /Jeff

    re Air Brooks
    
    Well said. That should put the Cadaver fans in their place ....
    for at least 10 minutes ...
    
    DrM

    Gronowski - unless he's gone over to the Celts full time ....

    
    Sean, don't include bandwagon jumpers in your list = people who have
    never been to Chicago in their life.

    I think Wardle is both a Cav fan and a Bull fan

    	Rollin, Claywad!

    Mike JN

    
    There are a handful of other Cavs fans in hear besides Hal, Paul and 
    myself..  Plus Mike Childs used to be a Cavs fan, but maybe not anymore
    since they traded Harper.
    
    /Jeff

    
    oh no a new Vane....  ;^)
    
    sure I like lots of teams especially any team that beats the Lakers
    or the Pistons...
    
    I like Lenny but Jeff hit on the head with trade of Harper I have lost
    some respect for the Cavs....
    
    
    michaelvane

    Well Jeff Im not going to waste time going thru old notes to see how
    many active Bulls VS Cavs fans there are active in this notes file. 
    But if you take the time to look you will notice that this is the
    Chicago Bulls notes file, now I dont know if there is a Cavs notes file
    out there but it is quite obvious that Cav fans are bitter about the
    bulls wipping there butts.  This statement is backed up by how many
    active cav fans are in the bulls notes file.  You are here for one
    reason, jealousness over a real team.  And about being all Knowing, I
    have never siad I am all knowing, If I was I wouldnt be working at DEC
    Id just place money on all the teams that were going to win.  But it
    doesnt take a genious to realize that the bulls have about a 99% chance
    of going further in this year's playoffs than the Cavs.  And believe me
    Im praying that somehow The bulls and Cleveland meat in the playoffs I
    dont see how it will be possible but it may be.  If Milwaukee loses its
    last 2 games and Cleveland wins there last 2 who would have the better
    record.  They would both have 42 wins.  Indiana could aslo end up with
    42 wins on the season.  I guess we will have to wait for the weekend to
    be sure but it looks like cleveland will be out in the 1st round
    regardless of what happens in the next 3 days.  As far as Groinowski
    comments, do you really have to live in or visit a city to enjoy one of
    there teams.  If that were true Id be stuck with The Celtis and
    Patriots.  I do like both of them and of course back them but they are
    not my favorite teams.  And if the bulls do lose to Detroit in the 
    finals Id like to see them playing against San Antonio or Phoenix.  I
    hate seeing the same teams in the finals year after year.  If I want to
    see Detroit VS Lakers Ill watch last year's tapes.
    						Michael "AIR" Brooks

    
    "AIR"HEAD
    
    	Break out the shovels...you are so full of it....I can't stand
    the smell of this file!
    	I can't beleive that you can honestly consider the BULLShitters
    a real team....they are the only one man team (Jordan) in the NBA.
    If Jordan doesn't do it himself, then count the assists and the
    rebounds.  If he were on a real team, he would have a ring NOW.
    	I too hope that Cleveland play the BULLShitters in the playoffs
    and I know the teams that do end up with them in the playoffs will
    certainly no look forward to playing them.  The one team going to
    the playoffs playing real playoff quality basketball is the Cavs!
    They are the "REAL TEAM"
    	Go soak yourself for awhile!
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    Yo Mikey Brooks........
    
         		WELCOME TO ::SPORTS
    
    You think it's bad in this note.....wait til football starts and the
    Donk Fans versus the Brown(stain) Fans debacle erupts again!  You
    have to take what the Cleveland fans say with a grain of salt cuz
    the useful parts of their brains have been eaten away by the fumes
    of the sewage dump they live in (used to live in)...;^)
    
    Claybone

    
    Have the donks ever won and NFL Championship?
    
    
    (is it too early?  the draft is sunday)

    Hi Ice!  I threw that out there to see if you were still
    breathing!  It's great to know some things never change...;^)
    
    Oh yeah, congrats on your hoop win over Dr.manyzeroes.
    
    Claybone

       Congrats Groaner, for both the invent-shun AND the sound thrashing
    of Dr 00:00
                                    Denny

    Sound thrashing ? HAHAHAHA !
    
    Penny, I hate to interupt your nocturnal emissions (tm) (that's KG for
    you-know-what ....), but you didn't even hear the Groaner say that.
    
    But hey, you're desparate and looking for anything - I understand.

    Well As usual I have to come in and read thru Cav fan notes before I
    can read anything intresting.  The bulls finished with the 2nd best
    record in the east and I believe they had the 5th overall best record
    I dont think Cleveland makes the top 12, I havent see the end of the
    season results.  But I figure were going to have to listing to you
    brag about finishing 7th in the east.  Now you cant be impressed by
    a team taking the #7 spot if your not impressed with the #2 spot.  As
    far as the only 1 man team lets take a look at that.
    
    Last year the celtics suc#$%, this year with BIRD back they come 1 game
    from winning there division.
    Last year the Lakers cruised thru the playoffs and then lost MAGIC for
    the finals and got swept by the Pistions
    Last year San Antonio had 21 wins this year I believe they had 56 wins
    due to Robinson.
    
    Now Really Hal Who the Brain Dead Maroon here.  Do you really think
    that the CELTICS,LAKERS or Spurs would be as good without the players
    Mentiond above.  And if you want to look at some others
    
    Look at how Philly did yesturday without Barkley
    Or how about New York Without Patrick Ewing
    Or Houston without Akeem.
    
    The NBA is full of Superstars, Im sorry that Cleveland dont have any
    superstart, maybe theyll pick up someone in the Draft this year.....
    
    Hello Claybone, Glad to see another Cleveland (Disliker)  Are there any
    cleveland fans in the Patriots Notesfile, thats the only Football Notes
    file Im active in, I may look for an Indy notes file Im a big Erik
    Dickerson fan.
    
    Have a nice day

    Re: MBrooks (aka the obnoxtious one)
    
    Anyone who thinks the Lakers or Celtics are one man teams must not 
    follow basketball too terribly close.  Both the Celts and Lakers had 
    multiple all-star players (and for good reason), how many did the Bulls
    place on the team?  Smell the coffee dude.  
    
    As far as the Spurs turn-around, they've always had some talent on the
    team, just not the right chemistry.  Amazing what a good center can do
    for a team, eh?  Maybe the Bulls should try to find one, then maybe they 
    will have a legitimate chance at a title.
    
    /Jeff

    
    Jeff, look at the guy's last name... it answers alot of questions...
    
    He's so proud of finishing with the 5th best record in the league...
    but he thinks Cleveland sucked last year with the 2nd best record
    in the league...  he the brain dead one...

    	Bulls lost to Detroit again last night 111-105 in Detroit. 
    The series ended at 4-1, with Detroit losing the first game of the
    series and winning the next 4.  
    
    	Chicago-Milwaukee... Should be a great series!
    
    sean

    #3 Chicago (55-27) vs. #6 Milwaukee (44-38)
    
    Fri. 4/27 at Chicago, 8pm
    Sun. 4/29 at Chicago, 1pm
    Tue. 5/1 at Milwaukee, 8pm
    * Thu. 5/3 at Milwaukee, 8pm
    * Sat. 5/5 at Chicago, TBA
      
    * if necesary

    
    RE: references to San Antonio and Robinson
    
    That just doesn't fly. There are only 3 players on the Spurs that were
    there last year. There turn around most definately is not entirely due
    to the arrival of Robinson.

    
    	re: Cartwright & 1 man team
    
    	As I said before, The Bulls are by NO means a one man team.
    Although Jordan is the central player, something like 70% of the
    offense comes from players other than himself.  
    	It is understandbly easy to ignore players like Pippen and Grant
    who would shine on other teams.  Oakley was a relative unknown in
    the shadow of Michael before he went to NY.  I'm sick of hearing
    the one man team "excuse" for Chicago's success.  Ultimately it
    IS a team effort.  One man cannot defend nor offend against 5.
    	Cartwright may not be the best center in the leauge, but he
    plays his role very well.  How can the numerous spurts that have
    occured with Michael on the bench be explained if this truly is
    a one man team?  
    	Sadly, this argument is as empty headed as those who continually
    wish to pursue it to no end.  Will Chicago EVER get the credit they
    deserve or will they constantly be put down and insulted for running
    a club that focuses solely on the efforts of one player?  You don't
    win close to 60 games in the NBA with as purely a one dimensional
    team as some people would lead others to believe.
    
    sean

    Very Well said, the bulls will be up with the best for a few years to
    come.  They have a young team but are playing very well together.  And
    like previsously stated Cartwright may not be the best but Hes good
    enough for the time being.  You dont know what stacy King will be like
    in a few years.  As far as the lakers/celtis/spurs not being 1 man
    teams your right there not 1 man teams but neither are the bulls.  If
    you talk to ANY laker fan they will tell you that they lost to Detroit
    because magic was hurt, if there not a 1 man team than the loss of just
    majic shouldnt have effected them right.....wrong....The loss of bird
    magic, jordan or any other Quote Superstar is a big loss and makes a
    big difference.  Im sorry that Cleveland just happens to have the best
    8 men in basketball and can play at the same level without any one of
    them.  I guess we just all have to envy you and your great team.
    
    Oh by the way (HE THE BRAIN DEAD) Good english.
    
    						Michael "AIR" Brooks

    
    What a reply there Michael "Air Head" Brooks.  Cartwright is a STIFF.
    Oakley for Cartwright... HA HA HA! 

    Harper for Danny "The Sugar Plum" Ferry
    
    HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!

    
    re:.186                                   ^
                                              |
                                              |
                                              |
    Analysis like that proves my point... See above
    

    Oh, that I'm a racist and a bigot ?
    
    Give us all a break. P-name's like that make you a bigger ass than
    the one on Sid Fernandez.
    
    I'm glad I can help ..... :-)
    
    DrM

    
    re: -1
    
    the trufh (tm) hurts don't it...  what elts (tm) can I sey (tm)?
    

    When I hear de troof,(tm), it might irritate me ... but buddy, you're
    nearer to China than the truth ....

    Who is this Jimmy the Groin Owski.  Did you watch the playoffs last
    year.  Cartwright did very well, even against Patrick Ewing, I dont
    think Oakley would have made a good center for Chicago.   You see
    Groin that is the position that they need, Oakley was useless for the
    bulls and he hasnt been all that impressive.  If you dont Think Pippen
    grant or hodges are and good that I dont undersand why you would be
    impressed by Oakley.  
    I guess we will have to wait and see how Oakley and the Knicks do
    against the Celtics.  I dont think Oakley will be a factor.
    I am looking forward to Seeing Charles BARKLEY power slamming over the
    cavs.
    I figure by next week around wednesday or thursday tickets for the
    Celtics VS Bulls should be going on sail for the second round.
    This will only happen if the Cavs can beat Philly, Im actully routing
    for the cavs to pull off an upset because Ill be standing in line for
    tickets to the BULLS VS CELTICS if cleveland has what it takes.
    
    Getting back to reality it will proberbly Celtics VS Detroit and Bulls
    VS Philly...........Oh well
    						Michael "Air" Brooks

    RCSAO Alert..   RCASO Alert...
    

    Hey Doc, after your shootout, I think you better change your name
    to Michael (Airball) Brooks.  :*)
    
    Lee

    	Lee you got your Brooks mixed up, and Chicago and Boston could
    only play each other in the Conference finals.  If the Cavs upset
    Philly then the Bulls play the Cavs.
    
    				/Don

    	Yeah, /Don's right.  If Chicago wins it's first round against
    Milwukee they will face, with home court advantage, the winner of
    Philly/Clev in a best of 7.
    	Detroit/Indiana will play Boston/NY for the other semifinal
    best of 7.
    
    	Let's hope for a Clev. win Mike so that we can watch Jordan light
    up the nets in the second round!! 8^)
    
    	Oh, by the way, I forgot how it happened last year.  Did Chicago
    beat New York in the first round then beat Clev. in the second round
    or was it the other way around?  (I think it was the second way...)
               
    sean

    
    AirBrain... all is well in Chicago.  Now you'll probably tell
    me that Grant is useless too... (this as a result of him
    demanding to be traded).  These are the kinds of things that happen
    when a city has a one man team who gets all the praise and glory
    and is allowed to yell at players during time-outs and get coaches
    fired.  Good Luck in the playoffs... the Bulls will need all the
    luck they can get... Jordan will completely take over every game
    and that is all there is to it.
    

    	re: .196
    
    	sadly disillusioned cavalier fan...

    
    Chicago and Cleveland had the same number of players average double
    figures in scoring for the season. Chicago's next leading scorer
    averaged 8.9 points/game, Cleveland's next leading scorer averaged just
    over 7 points/game. (Yesterday's USA Today)

                        G       FG      FT      PTS     PPG
    Jordan, Chi		81	1024	592	2731	33.7
    Price, Cle		72	482	298	1412	19.6
    J. Williams, Cle	81	519	323	1361	16.8
    Pippen, Chi		81	555	197	1335	16.5
    

    sean, don't worry about Moanowski, the Bulls will be playing a lot
    longer than the Cuds, as they choke for the third staright time.

    
    DrM... back on the bulls bandwagon... don't tell me, you knew someone
    who drove through Chicago 9 years ago, that's why you're a fan, right?
    
    The simple fact is that your home town team, the Warriors are watching
    the playoffs from home... So who's bandwagon are you on now?  Chicago,
    Detroit, LA?  

From: clarinews@clarinet.com
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Bulls' Grant wants out
Date: 24 Apr 90 18:04:56 GMT
 
 
	CHICAGO (UPI) -- Despite starting at power forward through the
second-best regular season in Chicago Bulls history, Horace Grant said
he wants to be traded anywhere.
	``I want to be traded. Anywhere,'' Grant said in an interview
published Tuesday by the Chicago Tribune. ``I'll go to New Jersey, the
Clippers, an expansion team, anywhere. But I just think it will be best
for me to get out of here.''
	The request stems from unhappiness over his contract status. Grant,
finishing up his third season, was the team's leading rebounder this
year with a 7.9 average, and was third in scoring at 13.4 points a game.
He reportedly remains among the 10 lowest-paid starters in the NBA,
earning $320,000 in the third year of a four-year, $1.8 million
contract.
	The 6-foot 10 former first-round pick from Clemson said money is
not the entire matter and complained about the way he has been treated
by management.
	``This is an organization that talks about loyalty all the time,
but I found out the loyalty is not there,'' he said. ``I'm a player who
isn't selfish, who works hard all the time and tries to do everything
that's asked of me. And then I just get spit on.''
	Grant said he was turned off by particular incidents that arose in
negotiations, where he tried to compare himself to other players of his
ability level. When his agent brought up the Lakers' A.C. Green, Grant
said Bulls General Manager Jerry Krause replied: ``We'll take A.C. Green
for Horace Grant any day. A.C. Green is a good person, Horace is not.''
	Krause ``categorically'' denied ever making that statement. ``In
fact, I think Horace Grant is a good person,'' Krause said.
	The Bulls GM said the team had made Grant ``an outstanding a year
and a half before we were required to make that offer. ... And we feel
we've been very loyal to Horace Grant over the years.''
	The Bulls open the playoffs Friday against Milwaukee. Despite the
apparent distraction, Grant said he needed to express his feelings now.
	``It's not something that just came up,'' he said. ``This has been
building for a long time, and I felt I needed to say something now so I
could concentrate on basketball.
	``We really think we have a chance to win the title this year, and
I don't want anything distracting me from that.''

    
    RE: .199
    
    So what's your point? That Cleveland's top 2 scorers average 13.8 less
    than Chicago's top 2 scorers?
    
    
    In case you didn't get it, my point in .198 was to point out to a
    certain Cavs fan(s) that keeps ragging on Chicago as a one man team
    (true to an extent but not as bad as has been claimed) that the "one
    man team's" teammates spread it out better than Cleveland does.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    Hoot, do what I do ... ignore that Cavs fan. In 10 days or so, the
    Cads will be eliminated, and we won't have to worry about him ...

    Hey Lee who's DOC .....
    Don..I thought in the 2nd round of the playoffs the team with the best
    record played the team with the worst record that was still alive. Or
    does it go 1-8 4-5 and then the winners play ???
    Sean...Chicago Beat Cleveland in the 1st round 3-2 and then beat NY 4-2
    and then lost to Detroit 4-2.
    
    ??? If Pippen only scored 3ppg less than Clevelands best player then
    why do none of the Cleveland fans give him any credit ????
    
    Groin-Owski...Again what you refered to as taken over the game is what
    NBA fans would call strategy....If you played with the celtics and
    where down by 3 pts with seconds left are you going to give it to bird
    for the last shoot or give it to parish inside, think about this
    carefully.........I guess you have lived in Cleveland you whole life
    and you never liked any teams from any where else right......It seems
    that you feel that for someone to enjoy a team that have to be from
    that city......Very Narrow Minded thinking.....
    
    Like previously stated we should only have to put up with harrasment
    from cleveland fans for about another week or so and then they can
    start talking about the Indians or Browns (2 very fine teams...right)
    But Us bulls fans can look forward to watching our team in action for
    about 12-15 more games......I dont think that they will sweep there
    way thru but I know they will make it to the finals.....and if it is
    against detroit I expect it to go at least 6 games hopefully 7 unless
    the bulls win in fewer....
    
    GO BULLS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    						Michael "AIR" Brooks

>    does it go 1-8 4-5 and then the winners play ???
 
	You got it.

			/Don

    
    Michael "Hot Air" Brooks.

>    So what's your point? That Cleveland's top 2 scorers average 13.8 less
>    than Chicago's top 2 scorers?
 
    	No.  The point was that Pippen is only averaging 3 ppg less
    than Cleveland's highest scorer.  This shows that the one man team
    comment is completely bogus.
    
    	To fuel the fire even further, here are the basic scoring stats
    for the two teams:
    
    	Mark Price 	19.6 ppg     Michael Jordan	33.7 ppg
        Brad Daugherty 	16.8 ppg     Scottie Pippen	16.5 ppg
        Larry Nance 	16.3 ppg     Horace Grant	13.4 ppg
        Craig Ehlo 	13.6 ppg     Bill Cartwright	11.4 ppg
        Winston Bennett 6.1 ppg      John Paxson	10.0 ppg
                                                                
    	No way is Chicago as one dimensional as Cavs fans would lead
    us to believe.  All of the Chicago starters average double digit
    figures in scoring.  How many other teams can claim this?????
    
    sean

While the one man team comment isn't totally warrented, the facks are
    that Jordan takes more shots than anyone in the NBA, scores 100%
    more ppg than his nearest teammate, and on nights when he is merely
    average, the Bulls are closer to a lottery team than a champeen.
    The Bulls will win the first round - they never lose to Milwaukee,
    but will get smoked in the 2nd round, IMO.  Jordan will score 40+
    a game, but Cartwright will totally disappear, as will most of the
    supporting cast.  Pippen is a damn good ballplayer, I expect him
    to score around his average.
    
    The Cavs are a much more balanced team than than the Bulls, since
    they don't really on one guy to score roughly 30% of their offensive
    output.  
    
    This has really been a stupid debate.  First, fans of hoops will
    realize the injury troubles the Cavs went through this year.  I'd
    venture a guess that if Chicago had lost Jordan, Cartwright, Pippen,
    Grant, etc. for large stretches of the season, that they would've
    been fighting for a playoff spot, just like Cleveland.    And as
    for the CHOKE comments that the good Doctor puts forward, I axe
    you Doc, how can a team seeded 7th choke, unless they happen to
    play the 8th seeded team?  That's like saying the Rockets will choke
    vs. the Lakers if the Rockets don't win the series.
    
    Right now, Chicago's claim to playoff fame hangs on a last second
    jumper by Jordan last year.  That's it.  They haven't proved anything
    playoff-wise.  I lump em in with Portland and Utah - teams taht
    are good but haven't done squat in the playoffs.
    
    JD

    	JD,
    
    	I think this season we should see a much more experienced Chicago
    team taking the floor.  They should beat Milwaukee handily since
    they went 4-1 (or was it 5-0?) against them in the regular season.
    As for the second round, the home court advantage could play the
    deciding role.  What did Chicago finish at home this season?  Something
    like 36-5 I believe.  They will have the home court advantage if
    they advance to the second round and they pair up well against either
    of their opponents (Philly or Clev).
    
    	I've been happily surprised by Chicago's performance this season
    outside of Detroit.  They've shown that they can play with the best
    and win against the best.  Most of the people who doubt Chicago
    still ride on the notion that this is a one man team and that if
    Jordan has a mediocre night there is no way they can win.  As I
    have stated before this is not true.  No way is Chicago without
    Jordan an expansion/Nets type team.  I'd compare them to Dallas
    or Milwaukee minus Jordan.
    
    	I think Doc's comments about Cleveland choking are the fack
    that all their players are back and heatlhy and they are expected
    to play like the #2 finishing team they were last year, not the
    injury ridden #7 team of this year.  If they do lose to Philly it
    will just prove that they did not deserve the pre season ranking
    they got this year.       
    
    	Chicago's playoff fame may ride on a buzzer beater, but what
    about the unmentionable upset against the power house New York Knicks
    in the second round and the ONLY team that challenged Detroit at
    all (series was 2-1 Chicago at one point) last season????
    
    sean

    Sean,
    
    First off, no where did I compare a Jordan-less Bulls to the Nets.
    I did say they'd be closer to a lottery pick - I assume they'd be
    Denver/Seattle material.  The Knicks were far from a power house
    team last year.  But like I said, they haven't proved anything yet
    in the playoffs.  Hey, they may have had an excellent loss to the
    Pistons last year, but they still lost.   My gut feeling is that
    Bulls fans will be in for a rude awakening this year.  Remember,
    last year nothing was expected of  them - no pressure.  This year,
    a lot is expected of them.  
    
    JD

    
    If you want to talk about a team that has done absolute nothing in the
    playoffs, look toward Lake Erie, right between Euclid and Lorain. 
    
    According to the article that Mike H. posted in the NBA note, Cleveland
    has only won one (1) NBA playoff series ever.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    	JD,
    	
    	You're right that a lot is expected of them in the playoffs.
    Before the season started they weren't favored to get above 6th
    place in the Eastern conference.  They've had a pretty weird season.
    I would put a lot more stock in them as a w.c. contending team if
    they had only performed better against Detroit.  They would really
    have a good shot at the eastern title if Detroit was to get ousted,
    IMO.
    	Outside of Detroit, Chicago has proven they can hold their own
    against the rest of the East.  I think they spilt with Boston and
    had a winning record against Philly, NY, Cleveland and Milwaukee.
    FWIW, they went 1-1 against the Lakers, winning at home and losing
    away.
    
    sean

    
    Well said JD.  I was just about to make that point about the balance of 
    the CAVS attack.  Add Hot Rod Williams to the previous listed CAVS 
    starters and you have 5 players all within 3-4 points of each other. 
    
    On any night, any of these 5 can have big games.  The point is they 
    are coached to spread the points around and play as a team.  This way 
    they are not vulnerable to an off night on the part of any single 
    player.  
    
    re: Cavs playoff record..  Hoot I believe only 2 times in which the CAVS 
    have made the playoffs they have come in as a high (4 or greater) seed.
    This implies that they are 1 of 2 in playoff series as a favorite.  
    Someone with a better grasp of history might be able to help me with
    this one.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    Jeff, the Bulls are coached by Jordan... I remember a CBS Bulls
    game earlier in the year... the Bulls called a time-out and
    Jordan proceeded to verbally assault Bill Cartwright the entire
    time out...

    	Give me a break.  I suppose Jordan "secretly" owns the team
    too and the Bulls management is just a well developed front of puppets
    who live and die by "his" word.
    
    	Jordan says something to a teammate or the coach and WHAMMO,
    suddenly he's taking over coaching responsibilities....  This is
    getting tiring.
    
    sean

	Take it to mail, you two.. Please

	A moderator

       Did anyone hear if Jim McMahon got cut?
                                       Denny

    	For the record, I deleted my last two replies (it was two I
    think).  I do not wish to enter another meaningless rathole
    that I don't even understand how it was started.
    
    sean

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (JOE DiGIOVANNI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Bucks have hope in series with Bulls
Date: 25 Apr 90 19:55:41 GMT
 
 
	MILWAUKEE (UPI) -- Despite a dismal record against the Chicago
Bulls, Milwaukee Coach Del Harris believes his squad has recovered from
injuries and can prepare well enough to win the Eastern Conference
first-round playoff series.
	Guards Paul Pressey and Ricky Pierce, the team's leading scorer,
will play after missing much of the final month. In addition, center
Jack Sikma's back seems to have healed and guard Jay Humphries has
shaken off many of the aches that have plagued him this season.
	``We will be healthier this time than any other game we played them
previously this year,'' Harris said. ``That should be a great benefit
for us. We need to have all hands on deck.''
	Milwaukee, which went 44-38 despite having a league-high 235
player-games missed, dropped four of five contests with Chicago this
year after going 0-6 against the Bulls a year ago. However, the Bucks
point out they went 0-6 against Atlanta last year and then beat the
Hawks in the first round of the playoffs.
	``This is the team that a lot of people picked to finish last or
next to last last year and we won 49 games,'' Harris said. ``All but a
couple of the national forecasts had us out of the playoffs this year.''
	Guard Alvin Robertson, a 6-foot-4 defensive specialist who led the
team in rebounding, will guard Michael Jordan most of the time.
	``Jordan is an outstanding player but he's only one of their
guards,'' Robertson said. ``They also have (John) Paxson in there, and
at times we're going to have Ricky and Pressey in there.''
	The key word with Jordan is contain.
	``Generally, you don't figure that you're going to stop Michael,''
Harris said. ``We're not going to shut him out. We'd like to do a
reasonable job on him and not break our defense up to the point where it
allows his teammates to roam freely.
	``You have to do things that strike a decent balance.''
	Harris, obviously, did not want to give away too much about the
Bucks' plan to contain Jordan. He said, however, the five days
preparation before Game 1 Friday night at Chicago will help.
	``We believe we're able to be an adjustable and adaptable team that
can work a game plan to its advantage,'' he said. ``The Bulls may be
that type of a team also, that's not to say they're not.
	``We have found over the years that given time to set a game plan
we've been able to do a pretty good job of making an opponent go to
their second-best stuff and hopefully their third-best stuff. We like to
make it difficult for them to do the things they normally do easily.''

    	Chicago took a 2-0 lead over Milwaukee this weekend.  In the
    first game, Pippen recorded a triple double and was named Player
    of the Game over Jordan's 38 point performance.  In the second game,
    Chicago fought a 17 point first quarter lead to the wire against
    the Bucks.  Jordan got 36 and Pippen got 32 (around there).  In
    one point in the game "Cadillac" Anderson body slammed Jordan against
    the floor during one of his drives (Jordan actually bounced off
    the floor).  He was ok though and proceeded to hit some key baskets
    down the stretch to clinch the win.
    
    	If one player has emerged from this series as driven,  it's
    got to be Horace Grant.  All the talk about him leaving has been
    non-existant on the court.  I think he's out to prove to the Bulls
    managment that he is worth far more than he is getting paid.
    
    	Next game is Tuesday in Milwaukee.  Should prove to be another
    great game.
    
    sean
    

    
    
    No offense Sean, but I thought the Bulls should have insisted the refs 
    be given the "player of the Game" award yesterday..  
    
    Guess it's all part of the "home court advantage" though.  
    
    /Jeff                                  

    	I didn't really see the Pippen-Pierce incident (they didn't
    rewind the film back far enough to show the contact).  If Pippen
    did in fact hold them then Milwaukee should have got the break away
    call (if it occured in the frontcourt).   What resulted was Milwaukee
    not scoring on a 2-1 break and Chicago coming righht back to score.
    
    The other incident that looked questionable was the Jordan drive
    minutes later.  I think Pierce did bump him and Jordan did not charge
    (as he was going away from the basket).  It looked really hard to
    call though.  
    
    No doubt Chicago should have put game 2 out early, though.  
    
    sean

re: .226

Amen! The worst called game of the playoffs. No Contest.

TTom

> Amen! The worst called game of the playoffs. No Contest.
  
    	Did you feel it was one sided or hurt/helped both teams evenly?  

I felt that the calls substantially helped Chicago.

TTom

    	Chicago at Milwaukee tonight.  I believe this one will be on
    TNT at 8 o'clock.  

    Go Bulls.  (Go 'Hawks, Go Cubs, Go Bears...)
    
    Go_Bach

    
    yeah it's on tnt. second game is spurs/nuggets also on tnt...

    
>    yeah it's on tnt. second game is spurs/nuggets also on tnt...
                                         
The nuggets did not sell out so there is a local blackout of the game...
 and we don't get Tnt around here... dang!!

monty

    
    Monty,
    Today's paper said it will be on Ch. 21.

    Well Ive been sitting back and watching my trusty bull do what I
    expected of them WIN....as far as the so called bad refs..I see
    this every year in every notes file on just about every series.  It
    will happen but I dont feel the bulls would have lost even if the
    refs where trying to give the game to milwakee......Anyone who wathces
    the bulls knows that when it comes down to the wire the bulls will
    catch you and defeat you.....You cant count them out untill the buzzer
    goes off....  I have not yet seen the results from last night Im
    waiting for the paper...I expect that chicago completed there sweep
    as well as Detroit and Philly....We have to wait untill tomorow night
    for Boston but they look good.  Im looking forward to the Boston VS
    Detroit match up.  I think it will be a much better series than people
    are expecting.  Philly VS Chicago will be a heated series...Homecourt
    will play a major factor here and Looking forward to a Jordan Barkley
    Matchup............
    Wont put any derogative statements Im enjoying the playoffs too much.
    
    						Mike "Air" Brooks

    Very upsetting night....Here are last nights RESULTS
    No one could have predicted last nights Results.
    
    Detroit completed there sweep of Indiana (Expected) 108-96
    San Antonio swept Denver (Expected) 131-120
    Portland swept Dalls 106-92
    
    UPSETS....
    Cleveland wipped Philly 122-95 (Someone was sleeping)
    Milwakee slipped past Chicago 119-112 (Wish I could have watch this one
    					   It must have been the refs.)
    Hoooollllyyy $#!+
    Houston Beat the Lakers 114-108 (It looks like the lakers wont sweep
    				     there way to the finals this year)
    
    					A very Upse Chicago Fan 
    						Mike "Ai_" Brooks

    
    Actually the Bulls game started out much like the other two with 
    Fred Roberts being whistled on the Bulls first posession away from
    the ball and then Harris getting a T on the second bulls posession
    because nothing was called for him when Robertson got clocked on a
    layup. Everybody from the Bucks came to play last night. Alvin 
    Robertson was the MAN last night with 23 in the first half. I think
    he finished with about 38 pts. a dozen assists and 9 boards or so...
    Roberts also had a big scoring night. Michael had 49 in a loosing
    effort. He probably would have over 60 if he wasn't so cold in the
    first half. At one point he was 5-16.
    
    mike

    
    Time for a reality check, eh, Air-Brooks?
    
    /A very optimistic Cavs fan

    	Oh BTW, forgot to mention one other thing.  Greg "Cadillac"
    Anderson showed again why he should be runner up for the Bill Laimbeer
    award, decking Paxson on a layup early in the game yesterday.  
    
    	He's 2-2 so far, who'll be next?  Will he ever get a technical
    for abusive play??  The world may never know.  8^)

    
    I saw some of the game and the Anderson elbow to Paxson. Sunday's body
    slam of Jordan should have resulted in getting tossed, and possibly a
    suspension. That was blatant as all get out. I don't think the elbow to
    Paxson was blatant. They were coming at opposite angles and Anderson
    caught him on the side of the head as he was trying to block the shot.
    
    I don't know what the Bulls were thinking last night with the type of
    game they played. The Bucks have to have the weakest front court in the
    playoffs. It is a total mismatch inside but the Bulls didn't capitalize
    on it last night. 
    
    Jordan had an outstanding steal last night where he smoked the field
    bringing it down court and almost hit his head on the rim when he
    stuffed it. 
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    	Next game:  Thursday, 5/3 at Milwaukee, 8pm EST.  
    
    	The 8pm start would indicate to me that it will be on TNT
    (so far they have shown games 1 & 3, and CBS showed game 2).
    
    	For the Bulls to win this one they have to:
    
    	1. control the tempo.
    	2. box out and rebound better.
    	3. work on getting the ball inside to the big men. 
    	4. strangle the stupid synth musician who plays the incessant
    	   obnoxious musak.  8^)

    I didnt get to watch the game but the Bulls apparently Dominated the
    final score was Chicago Bulls 110 and Mil 86, a 24pt whipping.  Of
    course I cant defend why they one seeing that I didnt see the game
    so all you non bulls fans hanging around can make up Excuses for Mil.
    
    Other action last night, Cleveland is getting ready to pull of the
    Upset of the Playoffs.  They defeated Philly bu 12 last night Clev 108
    Philly 96.  This brings it to a Game 5 where cleveland to know philly
    out of the playoffs and move on to play the Bulls.  Being a bulls fan
    I would much rather see Bulls VS Cavs and Bulls VS Sixers, it may be
    more exciting to see Philly but Ill welcome Cleveland with Open arms.
    (Bring on Detroit)
    
    Other scores last night
    La 109 Hou 88, la wins series 3-1
    Also Boston Bruins Defeated the Washington Capitals 5-3
    They shouldnt have the NHL and NBA Playoffs so close together, I know
    most cities dont have 2 teams left in the playoffs but It makes it
    difficult to decide what youre going to watch. (Bruins/Celtics Bulls/
    Blackhawks)
    					Resting for Next Series
    					Michael "AIR" Brooks

    	The East is looking pretty physical.  Last night the Bulls/Bucks
    played their part to live up to the image.  Greg "Cadillac" Anderson,
    a person I've tried to constrantly deride for unecessarily dirty
    play was ejected from the game when a scuffle with Nealy occured.
    Anderson tried the human dribble on Jordan game 2 and the Oedipal
    manuever on Paxson in game 3.      
                                                    
    	Jordan netted 25 and Pippen got 20 for the Bulls (anyone care
    to enter the "one man team" rathole again?).  
    
    	I'm also hoping now that Chicago can draw Cleveland.   Chicago
    dominated them this season, and are invincible against them at home.
    Jordan also has record performances against them so it will be fun
    to watch him go wild.
    
    	Congrats Bulls on the first round victory.  Looks like they
    are definitely living up to their expectations.
    
    sean

    The Bulls held the Bucks to just two field goals in the third quarter
    last night.
    
    
    py

>3-PT. FIELD GOALS: CHI 3-5 (.600), PIPPEN 2-2, PAXSON 0-1, PERDUE 1-1,
>DAVIS 0-1. MIL 5-18 (.278), LOHAUS 1-6, SIKMA 0-1, PRESSEY 0-1,
>PIERCE 2-6, HUMPHRIES 1-2, BROWN 1-1, KORNET 0-1.
 
    Once again, Milwaukee lived/died by the 3 pointer.  18 3 point
    attempts!  

    Re:.-1
    >                       -< Purdue his a 3??? 8^) >-
    
    It's Perdue :)
    
    >>3-PT. FIELD GOALS: CHI 3-5 (.600), PIPPEN 2-2, PAXSON 0-1, PERDUE 1-1,
     

It takes a tough man to make a tender chicken.....

    Well I have bad news for The Cav and Bulls fans of this notes file.
    The Bad news for the Bulls is that Cleveland lost to Philly and we
    bulls fans wont have a cake walk for round 2.  In reality I guess you
    could say that this is good news for Cav fans because they will not
    have to put up with the Humiliation of there team getting Blown away
    4-0 against Chicago in the 2nd round.
    Other bad news for Local Fans the Celtics managed to take a 2-0 to 2-3
    against N.Y.  Should still be an exciting 2nd round in the east.  I was
    Highly disappointed with San Antonio on Sat, especially robinson.  It
    could have easly been a blow out but Portland couldnt get there shots
    to fall.
    Any Predictions for the 2nd round action....I think the Chicago series
    could easily go 7, Im hoping the bulls will rap it up in 6.  As for the
    NY Det series, Detroit will proberbly take it in 6.
    
    					Michael "AIR" Brooks
    I Guess it is truly time for a reality check Hay Cav Fans.......

    	First four games of the series look like this:
    
    	5/7 Mon - Philadelphia at Chicago, 8pm (TNT)
    	5/9 Wed - Philadelphia at Chicago, 8pm (TNT)
    	5/11 Fri - Chicago at Philadelphia, 8pm (?)
    	5/13 Sun - Chicago at Philadelphia, TBA (could be on CBS)
    
    	These teams look like they match up pretty good on paper.  
    I'd say this series could go 7 easily if both teams play the type
    of ball they've been playing.  
    	Should be a great series.  If Chicago can take the first 2,
    look for them to be in the finals again this year.  Philly is 
    a formidable opponent, however.  This looks like the best semi
    series of them all.
    
    sean

    	Chicago won the first game against Philly last night 96-85.
    I didn't get to see it, but from the highlight's, it looks like
    Jordan and Pippen had another outstanding game.  I was surprised
    to see the score so low.  Next game is Wednesday.  
    
    sean

    Where did Pippen play college ball?  That damn girlfriend of mine, in
    an attempt to learn more about sports, asked me last night and I
    couldn't remember.  BTW, the reason she asked is because she likes the
    sound of his name.
    	
    	--dan'l pippen

    	hmm... I'm thinking Villanova, but I know that's not right.
    Lemme see if I can track down that answer.
    
    sean

    Pretty sure ...
    

    Neither ... It was Central Arkansas I believe. 

    Yea, now that ya mention it ...
    
    - Chris
    

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (ROBERT J. MURPHY, UPI Sports Writer)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Bulls 96, 76ers 85
Date: 8 May 90 03:58:44 GMT

	CHICAGO (UPI) -- Michael Jordan started fast and finished faster
Monday night.
	Jordan, playing on a sprained left ankle, scored 11 points in the
first quarter as Chicago jumped to a 12-point lead, then added 15 of his
39 in the fourth to stave off a Philadelphia rally and lead the Bulls to
a 96-85 victory over the 76ers in the opening game of their Eastern
Conference semifinal.
	``On you home court you have to take it to them, and that is what
we did tonight,'' Bulls Coach Phil Jackson said.
	The best-of-seven series resumes Wednesday night at Chicago
Stadium. Game 3 shifts to The Spectrum on Friday.
	The 76ers moved within a field goal early in the fourth after
running off 6 straight points with Chicago missing seven straight shots.
A layup by Charles Barkley, who finished with 30 points and 20 rebounds,
made the score 73-71 with 8:38 to play.
	But Jordan, held to 4 points in the third quarter, kept the 76ers
at bay, hitting three straight baskets to build back the lead.
	``Even when we started that final quarter badly, our defense stood
up for us,'' said Jordan.
	Philadelphia made one final run, with Johnny Dawkins' layup cutting
the Sixers' deficit to 86-83 with 4:06 left. But Jordan hit a fallaway
jumper along the baseline, Bill Cartwright hit a jump shot in the lane
and Jordan a technical foul to put the game away. Jordan capped the
night by hitting a 3-pointer from the top of the key at the buzzer.
	``I was disappointed because we just didn't compete,'' said
Barkley. ``It's not about winning or losing. It's about competing.''
	Scottie Pippen added 18 points, 12 rebounds and 8 assists for
Chicago, while Mike Gminski added 14 points for Philadelphia. The Bulls
led from start to finish.
	``They outplayed us tonight,'' Barkley said. ``Michael's a great
player. He's going to get his points and I'm going to get mine. But the
players around us are going to have to play better. That's the key.''
	The Bulls came out running, ripping off a 15-4 run to start the
game. Jordan, covered by Hersey Hawkins, had 7 points in less than three
minutes. Hawkins finished with just 12 points after scoring a
career-high 39 in the decisive Game 5 win over Cleveland in the first
round.
	``In the fourth quarter, he was basically rested,'' Hawkins said.
``I didn't come out aggressive at all. I didn't take it to him, and it
gave him a chance to sort of relax on the defensive end.''
	``I tried to put him back on his heels,'' Jordan said.
	Chicago stretched that advantage to 33-21 at the end of one. The
76ers shot just 38 percent in the first quarter to Chicago's 56 percent.
Philadelphia finished shooting 41 percent for the night.
	The 76ers strung together 7 straight points late in the second
quarter to close within 3. Jordan finished off the half with 3 free
throws to give the Bulls a 53-47 edge at the intermission.
	Chicago missed all 5 of its free throws in the third quarter, but
still managed a 73-65 lead heading into the final period. Barkley had 10
points and 8 rebounds in the third, but the 76ers shot just 27 percent
as a team.

    Pippen went to Central Arkansas, CLass of 1987
    
              REK

    Thanks, guys.  Villanova was my first thought, too, but I knew that was
    wrong.  Guess I can't be to ashamed for not knowing Central Arkansas. 
    I figured a player of his calabre would be NCAA Division I all the way.
    
    	--dan'l

    Rough night for basketball, the knicks were absoultly blown out of the
    water, the final was 112 to 77.  It could have been alot worse.  Knicks
    scored 38 in the 1st half and only 15 in the 3rd quarter to give them a
    whopping 53 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.  Luckily they did not
    break the record for lowest points in a playoff game (golden state).
    They did however tie the record of least points scored against detroit
    in a playoff game.
    If I heard the Radio correctly the lakers dropped game 1 at home, gota
    love it.  San Antonia dropped another one to portland putting them down
    to 0-2.  Chicago plays again tonight at 8:00pm on TNT, this will be a
    definate watcher......
    
    East Chicago VS Detroit	West Portland VS Phoenix (Id love it)
    
    The one thing about chicago playing detroit is even if they manage a
    win which would be very difficult they would have to play the lakers.
    I know that we went 1 and 1 with the lakers but playing them in the
    finals and them having home court.....oh well.  But if the lakers were
    to get knocked out in this round would be a great incentive for chicago
    to whip detroit in 7 ??????? I guess we will have to wait and see.
    Chicago will get at least as far as 6 games in the Finals.....
    
    					Michael "AIR" Brooks

    
    Brooks, you're too much.  The Philly series is 7 games, not 1.  
    Better get past the Sixers before you start worrying about Detroit.  
    

    	It's just speculation.  Obviously we're thinking about this
    series, but also how things are shaping up overall for the finals.
    I think it is pretty much a given that the winner of this series
    will face Detroit in the conference finals.  Philadelphia almost
    swept Detroit this season (should have won the other one but made
    a stupid stupid play), and the match up pretty good.  On the other
    hand, Detroit clearly dominated Chicago this season, accounting
    for 3 of their 5 home losses this year.   Last year Chicago was
    the only team to give Detroit a run for their money, they have that
    experience and I think they could play them pretty tough (at least
    better than the regular season) if they were to meet.
    
    
    	About the Philly-Chicago series.  Tonight we'll see how much
    Philly and Chicago will have improved from Monday's sub par
    performances.  I think we'll see both teams playing better ball,
    not just Philly.  Chicago didn't play a good game at all and still
    managed to win.  Should be a higher scoring game, with a lot of
    lead changes and physicalness.  
    
    sean

    2 down 2 to go.....Well Hal Id say its starting to look good for
    Chicago fans.  Not that a 2-0 is a definate series win, I will
    not be suprised if Philly wins the next 2 games but I still think
    chicago will win the series.
    Last Nights Game...
    	It looked a little scary, when I turned on the game its was 22 to
    22 (I think) but they were tied.  MJ sat down and the next thing I new
    Philly had a 11 point lead, it took a little while but chicago chopped
    away and finally took over the lead somewhere in the 3rd.  I think alot
    of people will complain about a bad call in the 3rd against barkley, he
    was called for an OF that was quesionable, but about 5 minutes later
    they call one on MJ that was quesionable, Id say that squared it.  The
    key to the game was called but the announcers perfectly, Stacy King and
    BJ Armstrong were in for a good 6 mins while MJ rested on the bench,
    and I believe Chicago had a 4 point lead when MJ went out and a 6pt
    lead when he returned.  King looked awsome against Giminski and BJ hit
    2 in a row, it was the Rookie show.  I cant wait for game 3, like I 
    said I wouldnt be surprised if Philly took 2 at home but you know Ill
    be rooting on the Bulls, 1 win at philly would all but clinch it.
    BRING ON DETROIT........

    
    I'm giving Dinz a run for his money..  the Hausrath KOD..  I like the 
    sound of that, yeah!  

    	Great game by Chicago last night to come down from a 16 point
    deficit to win 101-96.  Sixers fans are screaming foul reffing,
    in particular the offensive foul called on Barkley, but remember
    later on in the game Jordan was called for the same play, and as
    D.C. pointed out, if you're going to call it on Charles you have
    to call it on Michael, which is what happened.
    
    	Chicago played a poor first half, and didn't pick up the intensity
    until midway through the 3rd.  Philly shot something like 57% to
    Chicago's 51%.  When Chicago started to go inside and include more
    players (not just Jordan) in their offense, things started to turn.
    Jordan ended up with 45 points, Pippen with 18.  
    
    	Next game is Friday in Philly. 
    
    sean

    	Forgot one thing.  Phil Jackson did an excellent job of coaching
    last night.  He took the time outs to stop the Sixers momentum and
    he made the key substitutions that allowed Jordan to rest and to
    also exploit some of the Sixers weaknesses on the court.
    	Great job, Phil.
    
    sean

    Did anyone else notice the transformation that occurs to the Bulls when
    Jordan is out of the game.  It seems they pass the ball more, move
    things around, and utilize the players better.  They seems much more
    dynamic and well rounded with Jordan out.  
    
    It would seem to me, and I may be wrong, that the Bulls would want to 
    continue this type of flow even when Jordan is in the game, thus 
    making them better overall.
    
    I was disappointed that when Jordan was in, they just gave him the ball
    and let him do his thing.  It seemed like the other Bulls were just
    standing there with their hands down by their sides, just watching.
    
    Am I wrong?
    
    Glenn

    	The first half of the game I think it was pretty evident that
    Jordan carried the team.  I know for a fack that Jordan does not
    want this to happen.  He would like to see other players take the
    initiative to drive to the basket or take the open jumper.  
    
    	With Jordan out of the game, the burden of responsibilty falls
    on all the players to produce both offensively and defensively,
    and they usually do a pretty impressive job.  Sometimes I don't
    think they have enough confidence to "take charge" when Jordan is
    in the game.
    
    sean

    
    	Jordan (one man team) tm
    
    	(one man team) Jordan tm
    
    	1 + official = win
    
    

    	nonono Hal.
    
    	Jordan + 3 officials = 4 man team (tm)= win.  8^)
    
    sean

    Gee.. I saw Jordan's offensive foul and there was nothing even close
    about it. He pushed Hawkins with two hands and moved him out about 4
    feet. Boy, is he strong. The second offensive foul on Barkley was
    defintely a joke. The thing that made it worse is that the SIxers
    stopped trying to take it inside after that. They also seemed to loose
    their concentration at the defensive end after that. The Sixers had a
    terrific opportunity to win both of the games in Chicago and came up
    just short. I hope that will change in Philadelphia.
    
    Dennis
    

    	I dunno.. Philadelphia said they were going to come out and
    play a much more physical game.  They were in control with a 16  
    point lead due to the 60% they were shooting from the field.  
    Eventually, without the inside game, Philadelphia was worn down
    and the outside shots weren't hitting at such a high percentage
    rate.  
    	I don't see the refs involvement as a key issue at all in the
    outcome of the game.  What I saw was Philadelphia squandering a
    lead because Chicago starting shooting better and worked the ball
    inside along with playing an uptempo game.  Cartwright once again
    disabled Mahorn and Chicago was able to take the offensive rebounding
    edge and the total rebounding edge also, I believe.
    
    sean

    
    Mahorn hasn't been a factor in this series for the Sixers in the least.
    He seems to be playig very timidly, possibly due to the Rod Thorn no
    hard foul edict. Last night, he played better than on Monday, but he
    needs to do a better job in shutting down the lane. The only time he
    tried to stop Jordan, he got into a shoving match with King and got a
    T. Mahorn shouldn't have shoved him, but I don't know why king was all
    over him either. Mahorn had better just play his game in Philly and not
    worry about if he gets tossed because Thorn doesn't like the way he
    plays.
    
    Dennis
    

    Very intresting comments some valid some ridiculous but you have to
    expect some people (who dislike the bulls) to come up with ridiculous
    points.  The bulls did move the ball around very well in the 2nd half
    when jordan was on the bench but in the 1st half when he sat down they
    went from a tie to a 11pt deficit.   But anyone who watched the game
    must realize that this is definatly not a one man team.  There where a
    couple of questionable fouls in game 2 but the ref's were not 1 sided
    at all.  They called the game very evenly.  As for the comments about
    the Mahorn Technical, he should have got one for the Closeline he put
    on MJ before the pushing started with Stacy King.  Game 3 should be a
    great game, does anyone know what channel (If any) this game is on???
    
    						Michael "AIR" Brooks

    	Mike, the name of the game here is, "BLAM it on the refs, BLAM
    it on Jordan, but NEVER give credit to the Bulls."  It's hard for
    *some* (not all) people to accept the fack that Chicago may be a
    better team then a few years back, and that more than one player 
    significantly contributes to Chicago's offensive and defensive plans.
    It's easier to say "The refs gave them the game" then to go into
    a critical analysis of why Chicago won and the other team faltered.
    On the other hand, when Chicago loses, it's easier to point the
    finger at Jordan and say he had a "bad night" and that they are
    "clearly a one man team that depends solely on his performance". 
    
    I'm just happy when Chicago plays well.  They have the capability
    to be a championship type team.  They are young, and they have to
    learn to play with more consistency and self confidence.  They still
    are not in the Detroit-LA league, but they have seen a remarkable
    improvement in the past 4 years, going from not making the playoffs,
    to barely making the playoffs and losing in the first round, to
    making it to the conference finals.  They are really following in
    the footsteps of the Detroit dynasty.
    
    sean

    -1  Just what detroit dynasty are you speaking of?  If you are speaking
        of the pistons well..., they are an excellent team but 1
        championship does not constitute a dynasty.
    
    Frank "mmd"
    

    	The Dynasty as in the progressive rise from the lower depths
    of the NBA door mats to the elite that they are today.  Their success
    was not instantaneous, it was more of a gradual improvement that
    ultimately led them to their current status.  Perhaps dynasty is
    not an aropos word... what the hell 8^)
    
    sean

    Re Sean,
    
    This coming from a guy who 'disliked' Patrick Ewing and badmouthed
    him.  Perhaps you should realize that almost everyone shows bias
    towards their own team.  Mr. Air Brooks should realize that also.
    
    Game 1, as far as I know, no one blamed the refs at all, but gave
    credit to a victory.  Of course, should the Bulls lose in the playoffs
    and end up at home, I'm sure the Bulls fans will be 100% fair and
    gracious.  As  one who criticized officiating in Game 2, I did it
    because I felt the calls were totally bogus.  Overall, I feel that
    officiating has been poor all year.  Despite the officiating, the
    results are final.  Overall, I *hate* when officiating directly
    affects the results of the game.  the game should be decided by
    players, not refs.  I  thought the T on Mahorn was fine.  I did
    think that the consistency of calls was way off.  
    
    JD

    	Do I have a sign on my forehead that says "Ewing basher"?  8^)
    As I stated before, the only time I had anything negative to say
    about Patrick was when I was comparing him to my favorite player,
    Akeem.  It has absolutely nothing to do with teams at all.  I gave
    credit to Akeem for the points I felt he excelled in.  I don't know
    what more I could do to convince you that I DO NOT dislike Patrick
    Ewing and that I NEVER bad mouthed him.. EVER.
    	
    > Perhaps you should realize that almost everyone shows bias towards
     their own team.
    
    	Do you really think that I'm stupid enough to believe that people
    don't?  My only argument is that I feel it is stupid to not recognize
    the LEGITIMATE qualities of players on other teams.  I find it
    honorable to be able to discuss individuals without dragging team
    bias into the issue.  I find it frustrating to deal with people
    (not you JD) whose narrow mindedness leads them to believe that 
    Chicago is a purely one dimensional, one man team despite the fack
    that they have a very qualified *group* of players that overall contribute
    to the success of the team.
    
    	Sorry if I sound like I'm shouting... it's been a SLOFfy week.  8^)
    
    sean

    re: The Piston's "Dynasty"
    
    Could someone fill in the rest of the Isiah era?
    
    1990- ?
    1989-Champions
    1988-Lost in 7 in finals to Lakers
    1987-Lost in 7 in semifinals to Boston(the Isiah pass in game 5)
    1986-? Did they lose in 7 to Boston in Eastern Finals? 
    1985-?
    1984-Lost to Knicks

    1989 - WC Champs 
    1988 - Runner up WC Champs
    1987 - Eastern Champs
    1986 - Runner up Eastern Champs
    1985 - Lost in Semis 
    1984 - Lost in Quarters
    1983 - Didn't make playoffs
    
    	I'm pretty sure this is how it went.  Every year Detroit went
    one step further.         
    
    sean

    
    What does WC Champs mean?  ... and whats the difference between
    Runner up WC Champs and Eastern Champs?

    	WC Champs...  should actually just be WC... World Champs...
    I just say WC Champs.... World Class Champs?  I dunno.
    
    I screwed up that chart also.... Runner up WC and Eastern Champs
    is the same thing and the Pistons only had that honor once (next
    year they won it).
    
    Thanks for pointing that out... it must be Friday?
    
    sean

*   1989 - WC Champs 
    1988 - Runner up WC Champs
    1987 - Eastern Champs
    1986 - Runner up Eastern Champs
    1985 - Lost in Semis 
    1984 - Lost in Quarters
    1983 - Didn't make playoffs
    
    
    Hope this helps.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    	Thanks Chris.  Next time I'll try to be more ACCurate. 8^)

    RE: - 1
    They were not Eastern champs in 1987. They lost to Boston in
    seven. Remember Isiah's pass to Bird in game 5. In 1986 did 
    they also lose to Boston in 7 in the finals?
    

    1989 - WC Champs 
    1988 - Eastern Champs
    1987 - Runner up Eastern Champs
    1986 - Lost in Semis 
    1985 - Lost in Quarters
    1984 - Lost in Quarters to Knicks?
    
    	I think Detroit lost to Boston both in 86 and 87 (87 is a
    definite).
    
    	anyways, to make a dastistikal comparison and try to get this
    back on topic 8^):
    
    1989 - Lost in Conference finals
    1988 - Lost in Semis
    1987 - Lost in Quarters
    1986 - Did not make playoffs    
    
    sean

    1989 - Still kissing Smiley(tm)
    1988 - First kissed Smiley(tm)
    1987 - Kissed Munate Bol
    1986 - shook hands with Bird
    1985 - ????
    1984 - ????
    
  ;^)


Monty

WC stands for Water Closet....

Water Closet champs can be champs in many events, from bathtub
swimming to rowing the little Ti-D-Bowl boats across the commode...

Hope this helps...
'Saw

    	Chicago split with Philadelphia this weekend at the Spectrum
    to take a 3-1 lead in the best of seven semi-final series.  Jordan
    was unstoppable in both games and is now averaging 41 point per
    game in the playoffs.  
    
    	In game 3 Philadelphia got very physical, and were able to take
    a commanding lead early on.  By the 4th quarter they were up by
    27 points, however, Chicago battled it back to 4 points before losing
    the ship.
    
    	In game 4, Philly controlled from the opening tap once again.
    They were up by 9 going into the 4th and the Bulls took over from
    there, eventually winning 111-101.  Suprisingly, they did it without
    Scottie Pippen who was making preparations for his father's funeral.
    Ed Nealy was immense in the paint, not letting Charles or Mahorn
    intimidate him one bit.  Philly's was unable to convert from the
    line and lost this one.
    
    sean

    
    Barkley lost yesterdays game for Philly..  6-14 (?) from the line,
    missed about 3 or 4 layups in close.  He just didn't have it.  
    
    Maybe Philly is the real one man team in this series!  
    
    /Jeff

    WC=whining crybaby's still not accepting they're world champions...
    
    Sure they were kissing Manute instead of giving scalp massages?
    
    Good to see the rough tactics are being pointed to the New Broad
    Street bullies, instead of the Pistons.  I guess that's why they
    said the Bad Boys are no more, when Mahorn left.  I'd like to
    see Philly go on, but the Bulls have deserved it...

    
    Walt, they may say they're not the bad boys but when you consider the
    fact that Isiah has been in more fights/scalp massages then Ricky this
    year one has to wonder? Lambieer's game hasn't changed one iota
    either...
    
    mike

    
    The Sixers free throw shooting definitly lost the game yesterday.
    Charles looked exhausted, and that could explain the problems from the
    line. I think they are really missing Derek Smith. He could give the
    Sixers some real quality minutes off the bench and he would be a little
    better match up with Jordan.
    
    Dennis

    They give scalp massages, but it's not as bad as it used to be and it's
    not the "throw a shoulder into the guy going for a layup" tactics...

    >Good to see the rough tactics are being pointed to the New Broad
    >Street bullies, instead of the Pistons.  
    
    Not really Walt.  Sixers do it out in the open.  There's no secret. 
    They said no layups, and they mean no layups.
    
    Laimbeer is still trying to get away with whatever he can when the refs
    aren't looking.  Amazing how sneaky he is.
    
    Stu Jackson had a little post-game outburst yesterday.  He's frustrated
    that the Pistons get so much respect from the refs for their defense
    (like Rodman's clutch and grab), and on the other end of the court his
    team is getting called for subtleties like moving picks.
    
    Dan

    	The Bad Boy image has definitely shifted it's focus from Detroit
    to Philadelphia.  The way people talk, Philadelphia's main asset
    is it's ability to intmidate and I think that it is mainly because
    of the acquisition of Mahorn.  Detroit has upped it's game for the
    playoffs again, playing on an unmatched defensive level.
    
    	A Detroit-Chicago series isn't a lock yet, but it looks very
    probable.  Detroit completely controlled Chicago during the regular
    season, and unless Chicago has something deep down inside, I can't
    realistically see them pulling an upset.  Anything can happen
    in the playoffs though as we have seen, I would really like to see
    Chicago give Detroit the kind of series they gave them last year,
    perhaps winning one or two 8^) more than last time.
    
    	Anyways, the Chicago-Philly series is still not over.  Game
    5 at Chicago is Wednesday, I believe.  I hope Chicago can play a more
    consistent game and not allow themselves to have to continually
    fight back from deficits.  Otherwise, this series will very easily
    go 7.
    
    sean

    Pistons do the same as other teams in the league (clutch and grab),
    just better at it. Not the only ones guilty...

    This weekend was a great BBALL weekend.  Got to see the bulls climb
    back from 27 down to almost tie it up in the 3rd.  I believe they got
    it to within 3 ????  They won game 2 by the rookies and might have
    lost game 3 from the rookies.  late in 4th when they were on the come
    back Stacy King literally thru ??? under the hoop on a layup.  They got
    2 shots and the ball back which they then scored another 2.  A few
    plays later BJ Armstrong thru a long pass to I believe grant that was
    about 5-10 feet to long.  These 2 plays could have giving them the V.
    Oh well a sweep would have been nice but going home up 3-1 is ok.
    
    Other games, I love to see the lakers down 3-1.  Phoenix could steal
    this one.  I know you can never count the lakers out but its looking
    pretty dim right now.  Detroit Will proberbly rap there series up
    tonight in game 5.  I love to see phoenix win another one on laker
    turf and send them packing.....Portland should take there series,
    havent been impressed by SAN AN yet.  Should be Portland VS Phoenix
    and Detroit VS Chicago....Love to See Chicago VS Phoenix (A man is
    allowed to dream....) GO BULLS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    					Michael "High Flying Air" Brooks

    	Mike, Portland-Chicago would be quite the championship final
    if it could ever happen.  Air Jordan on Glide Drexler...  talk about
    offensive aerial assualts.  8^)
    
    sean

    While the playoff pictures are getting close.  Detroit finished off
    NY last night in game 5 and The lakers are sent home packing.......
    Tonight the bulls should rap it up and the Detroit Vs Bulls will get
    underway.  Portland can end it in game 6 away or that series will
    have to go the full 7.  Phoenix is flying high right now and I guess
    anyteam that knocks out the lakers cant be counted out of the finals.
    Could be phoenix from the west.  Does anyone know how Phoenix did
    against portland this year.   If the bulls cant dethrown Detroit who
    in the west best matches up with them.  If detroit makes it to the
    finals Id rather see Phoenix or Portland win it all.  Only bad news
    is that the Bruins got tired after 6hrs of hockey last night in a 4 OT
    game.  Oilers lead 1-0.....
    
    				A very Happy Anti Laker Bulls Fan "AIR"

--- NOV ---
26 LOST 82 102 at PORTLAND
29 WON  111 103 at PHOENIX

--- JAN ---
13 WON  111 106 PORTLAND
26 WON  107 103 PHOENIX

    	Mike, here's how Detroit did in the regular season against the
    two.  Looks like it is a close call as to who matched up better.
    Without Duckworth I'd have to say Phoenix would give Detroit the
    hardest time.
                            
    	Let's hope Chicago has to worry about who they're meeting in
    the championship finals.  8^)  Game 5 tonight at Chicago.  It will
    be no easy task for the Bulls to erase Philly.  
    
    sean

    Go Bulls!  I want a Phoenix-Chicago final!
    
    Mike

    Well Bull Fans where one step closer to getting a ring on MJ's finger.
    The bulls looked unbelievable last night it was a great game.  Everyone
    played excellent especially Pippen, but cartwright, King and Armstrong
    all played great.  If was a close game in the 1st half which pretty
    much tells the story.  Philly had a lead at every halftime and the
    bulls would come back last night it was a 1 pt lead for philly at half.
    The best thing is chicago now has a few days off before traveling to
    Detroit......Game 1 is ours !!!!!!!!!! Chicago 109 Detroit 103....
    
    						Mike "AIR" Brooks

    	Chicago beat Philly 117-99 last night...  It was a close first
    half, with Chicago playing poor defense and not being able to get
    into the offensive swing of things outside of Jordan.
    
    	The second half they turned it up by playing their best defense
    in the payoffs yet.  Pippen came off the bench to score 29 along
    with Jordan's 37.  King and Grant both had excellent games also.
    Barkley continued his free throw shooting woes as the Chicago bench
    slowly wore down the Sixers.
    
    	Next up Detroit!  8^)
    
    sean

 The last five minutes of the second quarter were unbelievable, it seemed
 like nobody missed a shot. As already stated the second half belonged
 to the Bulls. It should be an interesting matchup with the Pistons.
 Bulls defense has obviously improved while Pistons minus Mahorn are
 slighty more vunerable in the middle unless Salley is on the court.
 Will Michael's outside shot make him more effective against Dumars?
 Will Pippen's play continue to improve? Now that the ABTL season has been
 a success it's on to ABTP!!!!

 GO BULLS!!!!!

 mike 

    	Detroit owned Jordan's number during the regular season, holding
    him to under 20 points several times.  I think we will definitely
    see a different Chicago team then the one that lost 3 games at home
    to Detroit and went 1-4 this season.
    
    	The keys that I can see are to play the inside denial game
    that was so effective in the second half against Philly.  Edwards
    will have a field day if they don't do something to stop him.
    Someone's got to stop Isiah also.
    
    	If Pippen and Grant can have good games (along with Jordan),
    we should be in for a great series!
    
    sean

    ya know. i think the bulls are great, have been following them all
    yr
    
    go chicago
    

    re .311:
    
    A few Pistons fans are breathing easier now... :-)
    
    
    py

    ABTB
    
    JD

From: clarinews@clarinet.com
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Bulls 117, 76ers 99
Date: 17 May 90 02:40:40 GMT
 
 
	CHICAGO (UPI) -- Michael Jordan ignited a 14-2 spurt to start the
third quarter with 7 of his 37 points Wednesday night, leading the
Chicago Bulls to a 117-99 rout of the Philadelphia 76ers that clinched
the Eastern Conference semifinal playoff series in five games.
	Chicago will face the Pistons in Detroit on Sunday afternoon in a
rematch of last season's Eastern Conference finals. The Pistons downed
the Bulls in six games last season, and went on to win the NBA title.
	Jordan averaged 43.0 points in the five games, the third-highest
output for one series in NBA playoff history. Jerry West averaged 46.3
points for Los Angeles in 1965 and Jordan averaged 45.2 in 1988.
	Jordan opened the third quarter with a 21-footer to give Chicago a
64-63 lead it never lost, then capped the flurry four minutes later with
a slam for a 76-65 advantage.
	Charles Barkley had 5 points and seven rebounds to help pull
Philadelphia within 6 on three occasions, but the 76ers still trailed
89-81 at the end of the quarter.
	Jordan contributed 6 points to a 15-6 spurt at the start of the
fourth quarter, as the Bulls stormed to a 104-87 lead that was never
threatened.
	Ron Anderson led Philadelphia with 20 points, while Johnny Dawkins
added 18, Mike Gminski 18 and Charles Barkley 17.
	Scottie Pippen scored 29, Horace Grant 18 and Stacey King 13 for
Chicago.
	Behind Dawkins' 16 points and eight assists, Philadelphia held a
63-62 lead at halftime. The 76ers shot 63 percent from the field, while
the Bulls hit at 60 percent.
	Chicago overcame an early 7-point deficit to take its first lead at
41-40 on Scottie Pippen's dunk early in a second period. The lead
changed hands 12 times, the last on Dawkins' two free throws to close
the scoring.
	Philadelphia never trailed in the first quarter after Barkley
scored two baskets and Gminski had one in the opening 94 seconds for a
6-0 advantage.
	Rick Mahorn's 15-footer gave the 76ers their largest lead at 25-18
with 3:43 left in the period. But Pippen contributed 6 points to a 10-6
run that pulled the Bulls within 31-28 after one quarter.

    Hopefully Jordan will solve Dumars!

        CHICAGO BULLS

	BJ Armstrong - 22
	Stacey King - 23
	Horace Grant - 24
	Wil Perdue - 24
	Scottie Pippen - 24
	Michael Jordan - 27
	Craig Hodges - 29
	John Paxson - 29
	Bill Cartwright - 32
    
	Ave. age - 26.0

    	Here's a list of the ages of the contributing players on Chicago
    	(except for Nealy).   Doesn't look there's too many stiffs here!
    	Of all the remaining teams, Chicago is the youngest.
    
    sean    

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: NBA Playoff Capsules
Date: 17 May 90 22:32:38 GMT
 
	Coach -- Phil Jackson.
	Finish -- 55-27 overall, 1-4 vs. Detroit.
	Starting lineup -- sf-Scottie Pippen (21.6 ppg, 8 rpg); pf-Horace
Grant (12.6 ppg, 8.5 rpg); c-Bill Cartwright (8.7 ppg, 5 rpg); pg-John
Paxson (5.7 ppg, 4.2 apg); og-Michael Jordan (40.2 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 7.2
apg).
	Bench -- sf/c-Stacey King (8.3 ppg, 4.3 rpg); pg-B.J. Armstrong (3.6
ppg, 2.1 apg); pf-Ed Nealy (3.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg); pg-Craig Hodges (3.7 ppg,
1 apg); c-Will Perdue (4.5 ppg, 1.8 rpg).
	Previous rounds -- Defeated Milwaukee 3-1 and Philadelphia 4-1.
Bulls defense stymied Charles Barkley & Co., while reserves outscored
76ers' bench 108-65 in series and outrebound them 63-29. Jordan was
outstanding vs. Philadelphia, averaging 43 ppg and leading team in
steals.
	Key Stat -- Bulls' only victory against Pistons came Nov. 7, third
game of season, when Jordan scored 40 points in 117-114 victory. He had
at least 40 in 22 games this season; the Bulls were 15-7 in those games.
	Outlook -- The Bulls must prove they are more than a one-man team,
getting contributions from other starters as well as reserves Nealy,
King and Armstrong. They also must play effective defense the entire
game, which they did not always do against 76ers.
    
	Coach - Chuck Daly.
	Finish - 59-23 overall, 4-1 vs. Chicago.
	Starting lineup -- sf-Dennis Rodman (6.6 ppg, 8.9 rpg); pf-James
Edwards (18.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg); c-Bill Laimbeer (11.6 ppg, 11.75 rpg);
pg-Isiah Thomas (18.5 ppg, 8.5 apg); og-Joe Dumars (15.1 ppg, 5.25 apg).
	Bench -- pf-c John Salley (11.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg); g-Vinnie Johnson
(10.9 ppg, 2.5 apg); sf-Mark Aguirre (10.9 ppg, 3.5 rpg).
	Previous rounds -- Defeated Indiana 3-0 and New York 4-1. Held
Pacers and Knicks to average 91.8 ppg. Except for one game, contained
Knicks' Patrick Ewing much as they held Jordan in check in 1989.
	Key Stat -- Pistons have held opponents under 100 points in 22 of 25
playoff games over last two post-seasons, going 22-3 in that time.
	Outlook -- Swept three from Bulls in last year's conference final
after losing two of first three; have lost only once in playoffs since.
Should reach NBA Finals for a third straight season, especially if
Pistons can wear down Jordan. Detroit's ability to play Jordan straight
up with Dumars and Rodman, or double-team him without penalty, is a key.

    	Ouch.  Chicago took a third quarter beating by Detroit in a
    defcon 5 all out defensive warfare.  Final score was 86-77.  Jordan
    ignited for 26 in the first half and the Bulls led by 4 going into
    the half.  Third quarter starts and who else but Joe Dumars finally
    gets on track and wipes out the Bulls...  why did he wait so long?
                                                        
    	Chicago at least showed that they are not going to be as big
    a push over as Detroit's previous opponents.  Jordan got banged
    pretty bad in the first quarter (hip) on a no call but he still
    managed to play a good game.  Pippen needs to get more into the
    offensive swing of things and Cartwright has to shoot better next
    game.
    
    	Detroit leads 1-0, next game is Tuesday?  (seems logical)
    
    sean

    Yup, tomorrow, then the illogical... games 3 and 4 are Sat/Mon...
    thanks CBS...

    Ahem,
    
    Didn't I say that Joe Dumars would wake up.  Chicago is toast. 
    As Dandy Don would sing "Put out the lights...."
    
    JD

    	1 game does make a series not.
    
    	- the most excellent Sucrets... I mean Socrates

Philosophize with him dude!


CBS not showing the game on Sunday is a most egregious and heinous
omission.

Perhaps that is because it would be up against the greatest of all
American Memorial Day institutions, the Indy 500....


Be excellent to each other,
Chainsaw

	The Indy 500 is indeed a most triumphantly revered racing
    event, dude.  Although I'm grieving over the heinous misfortune
    of non witnessing a classicly def Jordan showcase, I'm gelled on
    the fack that CBS has the quality foresight to assualt it's audience
    with a plethora of epicly excellent vehicular maneuvers in spite of the
    myriad of totally austere events that much malign the rest of the 
    sporting community.
    
    party on Chainsaw!
    sean 

    Hey man, I just wish it was games 4 and 5 over the weekend man.
    This game 3 and 4 bolino is a most heinous (sp?) occurrance.
    
    JD, Bucky_B_Saying_hi....

	Has Theodore Logan and Walt Ashe ever been seen together?
    	How about Bill Preston and Frank Way?
    
    	I knew it...  what a most excellent discovery 8^)
    
    sean

    Who is Theodore Logan?

    	ever seen Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure? 8^)
    
    sean

    That's right, forgot his last name... I remember Ted Logan, but
    not as Theodore...  EXCELLENT (twang, twang)...
    
    
    -Ted

Yeah, he would say

	"Ted Theodore Logan"...

A most excellent movie...

    That sounds more like it...
    
    Just imagine a kingdom ruled by Clarence Cleamons, Fee Waybill and
    Martha Davis... sigh...

But Walt, does Clarence have 2 Cy Youngs and 20K in HoF??? ;^)

    If they gave Cy Young's for sax playing, he'd have a bundle of
    'em!
    
    ClayBroon

Amen!

I love to listen to Clarence.  Plus, he is one righteously big
dude...

Party on dudes...
'Saw

 Takes more than one variation of the same note to win a Cy Young for sax
 playing. CC is good but he can't hold the Bird's man carrying case.....

 Charlie Parker was/is the best.........

 mike

    Grover Washington doodes.  Grover Washington.
    
    JD

    I prefer Dexter Gordan.  So sweet, so smooth.
    
    Dan

    	Busy morning...
    
    	Anyways, Chicago tasted defeat once again to the hands of Detroit
    to the tune of something like 102-93.  This wasn't a pretty game.
    Detroit completly dominated the first half and Jordan could not
    get into the offensive groove of things.  They were down by 15 at
    the half [switch to Broons game].
    
    	[switch back to Chicago game already in progress]... Chicago
    up 63-62 in the third?  What's this?  Anyways, they failed to keep
    the lead and sunk back into the abyss of mediocrity that has plagued
    them this series.
    
    	Chicago needs to improve their game in so many areas it isn't
    even funny.  They have the ability to win this series but they just
    aren't playing anywhere near their potential.  Dumars has all of
    a sudden started playing and that spells defeat for Chicago.
    
    	Next game is Saturday.  Hopefully the Bulls can get back on
    track.
    
    sean   

    Oh the refs where so unfair....Jordan hurt his hip and paxson has a
    hurt ankle.....EXCUSES....Yes maybe there are some injuries but that
    is part of the game.  Chicago was outplayed...Did some very stupid
    Fouling......Pippen has to calm down.  At one point in the 3rd I
    believe that Paxson,Pippen and Cartwright all had 4 FOULS ????????
    Cant blame it on injuries but Michael was definately not himself and
    I dont believe it was Detroits Defense, when the doubled him he found
    the open man and when they didnt he got off a good shot but missed???
    
    His mind was not on the game....The series is not over yet...We go back
    to chicago now, if chicago can take both at home they still have a shot
    at this series.  If they go down to 3-1 with 2 games left a Detroit
    they can pack there bags.........
    
    On another subject...WHAT HAPPEND TO THE BRUINS ???????  Put in REGGIE
    
    					Michael "Low AIR" Brooks

 If Stacy King would just hitting his dam layups the Bulls would take off.
 It's so fustrating to sit there watch him make a nice move loose his man
 and then CLANG!!!!!!!

 mike

    Think back to the good old days when king could shoot (PHILLY SERIES)
    The bench has to come alive in the next 3 games.  The starters cant
    do the whole job against a team like detroit.  Im afraid that this may
    have been the game that will make the difference.  If they could have
    played like there capable for the 3rd and 4rth quarter they could have
    blown the Pistons away.  Of course if the pistons didnt play so up and
    down they could have ended the game in the 1st half.  Was not a worth
    while game to watch.
    								Mike

    
    I just read that little Michael had a hissy fit and wouldn't talk to
    reporters after the game last night. He was supposedly upset about his
    teammates effort against the Pistons. Maybe they didn't eat their
    Wheaties.
    
    Dennis
    

    HISSY FIT what kind of talk is that, are you really a worker at dec or
    is someone kid in the notes file.......I couldnt really blame him for
    being upset, nobody on either team looked all that good, but there were
    alot of shots missed by the bulls that were gifts from the gods and
    they managed to miss them.  Im sure everyone was upset at themselfs and
    others.  MJ was not a 100% and was counting on his team to at least
    attempt to pick up the slack.  They were all just sitting aroung
    waiting for michael to take control and detroits defense didnt let that
    happen.  If the bench could have played at 20% intensity Chicago may
    have won this game.  Also Cartwright/Pippen/Paxson have to control
    themselvs a little better and not get into Foul trouble so early.. But
    as some many people have stated before Home court can sometime effect
    the REFS calls.  Looking forward to Sat/Mon so the series will down to
    the best 2 out of 3....
    								M.Air.B

>    are you really a worker at dec or is someone's kid in the notes file?
 
    	I cain jest see it now.  Chainsaw's really Ken Olsen's 10 year
    old, Harfaa idoling son, hamming it up with the DEC regulars in
    the SPORTS conference.  8^)x1000
    
    	I agree with ya Mike.  Jordan is simply frustrated with his
    and the rest of the teams performance against Detroit.  I wouldn't
    classify his actions as a hissy fit in any way.
    
    sean

    You know <in my best David Letterman voice>, why is it that 
    people will brand a player as a head case or say he threw
    a fit just cuz they don't wanna talk to the media?  I get 
    sick of hearing that (no attack on you Dennis).
    
    What if you came from a meeting where your proposal was shot
    down and none of the people in your group supported you very
    well.  Then, some guy sticks a microphone in your face and says,
    "Tell us Biff, what was your problem today and why do your
    coworkers sip?"  Geez, give the guy a break.  Could you imagine
    being him?  Everywhere he goes he's hounded. 
    
    ClayBroon 

Personally, I think "hissy fit" is a good set of words.

First, it *sounds* good, and has a good rhythm to it, which fits
in with what it describes.

Second, it conjures up images of young girls in dresses, fighting,
scracthing each others eyes, pulling each others' hair, and rolling
around on the floor whilst their dresses pull up, exposing some nice
young thigh....

Come to think of it, it sounds kind of like a basketball fight....

Chainsaw

    If Jordan was that upset, he may have been afraid that he would
    say something about his teammates that either would cause trouble
    or he'd regret later.  I don't blame him for running out in that
    situation.
    
    John

    
    I'm amazed that Hissy Fit caused such a stir.
    
    I was just amazed at the amount of stuff that Jordan gets away with
    and still retains his "good guy" status. I know that Barkley said some
    things to his teammates on the floor during the Bulls series and was
    fried here in Philly. Jordan does pretty much the same thing and he's a
    "leader". I'm just a little sick of the double standard that is applied
    between Jordan and other players.
    
    BTW - Thanks for thinking I'm a kid. No one has thought I was under 30
    for a few years now.  ;*)
    
    Dennis
    

    During game 1 he was definitely on national TV and he was most
    certainly screaming at his teammates during a timeout. I didn't need to
    read about that, I saw it with my own eyes.
    
    Dennis
    

    This series could be subtitled as:
    
    "A Tale of Two Benches"
    
            or
    
    "Air Blows Steam"
    
           or
    
    "Air Grounded, Pistons Pumped"
    
           or
    
    "Dumars Do It, Air Blows It"
    
    On the Benches:
    
    Detroits bench is averaging 33 pts per game, 16 boards, 8 assists
    and shooting 46.2%.  Chicago's bench is averaging 18 PPG, 7.5 boards,
    2.0 assists, shooting 39.8%. 
    
    Vinnie Johnson is almost singlehandedly equaling the Bulls Bench,
    by averating 14 PPG, 5 assists and 4.5 boards.
    
    JD

    	Mike Brooks,
    
    	Ok dude, I now deem you official freakin' torch holder to the
    Chicago Bulls cause.  BLAM the Jordan basher's and advance the cause.
    Remember to always keep face.  When faced with the infamous "one
    man team" diatribes fight back with names like Pippen, Cartwright,
    Grant and King.  Yer on yer own now, except for a few of the
    bandwagoneer's that are always a welcomed addition. 8^)
    
    	Always make note of excellent losses and mysteriously disappear
    when the cookie crumbles(tm).  Congratulate the other team for hard
    fought victories (yeah, even Detroit) and PARTY ON DUDE!!!!!
    
    thanks Chic. for the most excellent of seasons,
    sean                                  

    Yo sean,
    
    the Bullsh*ts are a one-dimentional, one ma team. They got one player
    who is any good and when he sips, they all sip. Oh, yea, did I
    mention that only one guy is any good? They  are lucky Detriot is go'in
    easy on dem bums. Airhaid is no to BLAM!! cuz he is their only good
    player. 
    
    the dd
    
    ps I hope they come back.

    ANYNONE GOT THE LATEST ON THE PLAYOFF'S ??   WE IN IRELAND GET NO
    COVERAGE OF THE NBA SO THE ONLY WAY I HAVE OF GETTING UP TO
    DATE REPORTS IS THROUGH THESE NOTESFILES  !!          
    
    SEAN.

    Since it's a long holiday weekend in the US, that's why you're not
    getting the regular action in here.
    
    Bulls beat the Pistons on Saturday....Pistons lead 2-1
    Game 4 this afternoon (Monday)
    
    Phoenix beat Portland Sunday....Series tied 2-2
    
    pete

    Bulls just beat Detroit by 7 or so to tie the series at 2-2.
    
    John

    Well Well Well....The so called one man team has beat the so called
    best defensive team in the league all by himself...Here's how the game
    went.  Michale Jordan (MJ) got the opening tip off tipped it to himself
    then feed himself on an AlleyOOP.  He then stole a long pass and passed
    it up the court to himself and feed himself underneath for a baseket...
    THIS is a one man team, the BULLS on the other hand have come alive.
    PIPPEN had 29pts in game 3 and 14 in game 4, as a matter of fact there
    were 5 players in game 4 for the bulls in double figures.
    JORDAN 43, PAXSON 17, PIPPEN 14, GRANT 11 and Cartwright 11....IS THIS
    a one man team ???? Pippen also had 1 blocked shot and 3 steals..
    It now becomes a best 2 out of 3 series, detroit still has home court 
    but bulls have momentomed
    						Michael Air Brooks

    A one-man team, perhaps not, but can they win if Micheal scores,
    say, a mere 30 points???  Haven't proved that yet.  Without him
    scoring 40, the Bulls can't win.  As close to a one man team as
    there is in the playoffs.  
    
    JD

   	I thought the third quarter of that game was the worst officiated
   quarter of hoops I have ever seen. Totally out of control.

   Mike JN

    
    	It was quite surprising to see Detroit look like a high school team
    in the first half yesterday.  The Bulls were did an excellent job of
    trapping and playing aggressively at both ends of the floor.  I don't
    think Piss-tons(tm) were ready for that and it sent them reeling. 
    Dumars didn't even score until late in the second quarter.  I think they 
    had more turnovers than FG's at halftime.  Salley, Aguirre, and
    Laimbeer were complete non-factors.  Gotta love it!
    
    	You knew that Detroit would turn up the defensive pressure and 
    make a run, and they did that during the third quarter.   Credit the 
    Bulls for keeping their poise and forcing the series to 6 games.
    
    	As much is said about Jordan and his 40+ points, he did a great 
    job of getting everyone else involved.  5 Bulls scored in double 
    figures, so obviously he's not the only one that's doing damage.
    Even BJ made an open jumper(that guy looks like he's only 14 or 
    something).   
    
	Momentum is clearly on the Bulls side for the nexted game.
    The Piss-tons(tm) will be fired up.  Hide your women and children 
    folks, this nexted one will be intense!
    
    						 Glen J.

    When is the next game ?? and how is the PORTLAND V PHOENIX series
    going ???
    
    sean.

                    <<< Note 121.366 by 41430::SHENEGHAN >>>

    When is the next game ?? and how is the PORTLAND V PHOENIX series
    going ???
    
    sean.

 Next game is tonight wednesday the 30th at 8:00 est


 portland beat phoenix last night 120-114 to go up 3-2 in series...

 mike

    Im not exactly sure But I beleive something like 13 or 15 of MJ's
    points were from the line, and I think 6 or 8 where over the last
    few minutes.  When The bulls know that detroit is going to foul you
    the 1st chance you get of course your going to put it in your best
    mans hands........Watch out for Stacy King tonight, hes going to 
    have a big game and his and cartwright inside scoring will keep this
    one close down to the wire where MJ will take over.....Bulls win it
    in 6......
    	8:00pm tonight on CBS   GO BULLS !!!!!!!  M. AIR Brooks

    
    I thought tonight's game is on TNT?

    Sorry about that, I thought I heard CBS say they would be broadcasting
    all the games from last weekend on......Should be a great one tonight.
    I was not happy with last nights game I wanted to see Phoenix pull one
    at portland.  I think this series will go 7 (as well as the bulls
    series).  It was starting to get scary in mondays game I think 4 bulls
    were in foul trouble coming down the stretch.  I dont exactly remember
    how many times the Pisstons got to the line but it was alot more than
    the bulls.....Well Im sure us bull fans will have some good news to
    talk about tomorow, or night around 11:00....Have a good night....
    Bulls 107 Pistons 101
    							M.AIR.B

    >I dont exactly remember
    >how many times the Pisstons got to the line but it was alot more than
    >the bulls....
    
    The last few minutes of the game slightly evened the score, but the
    Pistons were fouling then delibrately and repeatedly.  I think the
    announcers said around the middle of the 4th that the Pistons had gone
    to the line 42 times to the Bulls 17.
    
    Anyone catch the punch that Isiah attempted on one of the Bulls.  I
    think it may have been Paxton, but I'm not sure.  Isiah went for the
    steal in the back court, and Paxton worked loose and made Isiah look
    awkward.  Isiah came back with one of his famous overhand lefts, but
    Paxton was already hightailing down the court, so it missed by about a
    foot or two.
    
    Thomas really pulled out the playground moves in the last two minutes. 
    A lot of illegal stuff like the three step, the big time hook, etc.  No
    calls of course.  He must have scored the pistons last 10 points or
    more.  He's a competitor, I'll give him that.
    
    Dan

    Where were the BULLS last night....Not only was MJ not present but 
    neither was anyone else.  You have to give credit were credit is
    due.....Detroit's Defense was all over MJ..The only uncontested shot
    was the 50ft 3 pt at the end of the 1st...I was very disappointed
    with the whole game....Well it looks like we will have to wait for
    game 7 sunday afternoon at detroit.....1 more chance to beat detroit
    on there home court...
    							MAB

    MAB,
    
    See, I told ya, if Jordan doesn't score 40, the Bulls caint beat
    the Pistons.  No one else on the team can take up the slack.
    
    JD

    While JD I didnt reply to your mail on friday because there was nothing
    to say but thanks to MJ your last mail message is rather wrong.  Not
    only did MJ score under 40 but he scored under 30 on his home court and
    the bulls won by 18pts......He could have socred under 20 last night
    and they still would have won....The bulls played like the bulls of mid
    season...Everyone did what they were capable of doing...Id say they 
    played at 80-90% of there potential, now all they have to do is either
    stay at that level or turn it up a notch and 2 weeks from now MJ will
    be wearing a Championship Ring...... Sunday 1:00pm CBS Bulls at Detroit
    I cant wait....Should be a good game, I cant see the Bulls playing as
    bad as they did in Games 2 and 5 tomorow.....Anxiously awaiting
    Sunday..
    
    						Michael Air Brooks
    GO BULLS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Umm, I never sent you mail, so I don't have the foggiest idea what
    the heck you are talking about.  And the wonderful Bulls scored
    43 points yesterday, while the Chicago Jordan's scored 31.   Or
    do you mean my note, and not mail????
    
    Anyway, they won 1 game when Micheal scored under 40, and lost 4
    when he scored under 40.  They are still basically a one-man team
    - because his teammates still go through large parts of the game
    standing around waiting for Micheal to bail them out.
    
    He's great, but he won't get a ring until he can average about 25
    PPG and the Bulls can win...
    
    JD

    What JUST becasue didnt win doesnt mean we cant discuss what happend...
    Well Ive just recovered from the weekend's masacure of our faithful
    bulls.  I dont know exactly what happend Ive been in shock for 3 days
    but after reviewing the tapes Id have to say the entire team was taken
    over by aliens or something....31% shooting...MJ was only 51%...And no
    matter what anyone thinks or says the pistons did not beat them...they
    beat themselfs....I dont know how many 3 pt shoots they have to miss 
    before they give up but they threw this one away....Detroits Defense is
    tough but more than 1/2 of the bulls misses where wide open shoots were
    they made a good play to break free and then they missed the shot??????
    
    Oh well at least they improved on there season and I think they will 
    improve again next year.....Yes Im saying they will win the
    championship and go on to the finals....Well my basketball season is
    over time to wait for football...
    
    1991 World Champion Chicago Bulls
    							Mike Air Brooks

    Hate to disappoint you but Phoenix is gonna be champs nexted year ;-)

    Does any of you happen to knwo Scottie Pippen's number?
    
    Thanks in advance,
    Shirish

    Pippen wears 33.

    But his home number is probably unlisted...

    Any thoughts on the aquisition of Cliff Levingston from
    the Hawks? Bulls got him cheap...but that's another story.
    
    S.
    

    I created a new entry #403 for the Official Bulls note for the 1990-91
    season.  If we all agree we can start from scratch there.....