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    Glenn, 
    
    Let us in on how Butts gained 176yds vs the #1 team against the run ?
    
    Great game for Tolliver. 
    
    Jeff
    

    Running almost 40 times helps...
    
    Mike

      Glenn,  Do you think the Chargers can keep their momentum for this
    week??  They will face Denvers Defense which also ranks hi!!  I see the
    Chargers getting no more than 200 net yards...And thats generous.
    
    		Tim

    Becareful here Tim.  Overconfidence breeds losses.  
    
    While I fully expect Denver to win, I wouldn't just pass the game off. 
    
    > I see the Chargers getting no more than 200 net yards...And thats
    generous.
    
    Seems like a dumb statement to me.  The Chargers offense the past two
    weeks have been moving well.  And they've been running well.  I suspect
    you'll see a even mix of running and passing, and I believe that Butts
    and Nelson will successfully run against the Broncos.  I'll guarantee
    that they'll get more than 200 net yards.
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

    The Chargers yesterday fired Steve Ortmayer as Director of Football
    Operations or in other words, General Manager.  This clears the way for
    Bobby Bethard to move into that spot before April's draft.  
    
    This entire situation was, in my opinion, decided in January last year.  
    I believe that Alex Spanos and Bobby Bethard talked last January. 
    Bobby then announced his decision to resign from the Redskins front
    office.  I believe Alex Spanos was in contact with Bobby with regards
    to who to hire for head coach.  Dan Henning came from Washington and
    Henning and Bethard are known to be friends.  Bethard didn't want
    another situation like in Washington, where he didn't get along with
    the head coach, so, Spanos passed over Marty Shottenheimer and took
    Henning.  Then Bethard sat out the year, and now you see the plan
    coming to fruition.  With Ortmayer fired, Bethard is in.
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

       ...and don't be surprised if Will Mcdonough scoops the 'Insiders'
    for this story!.
                                      Denny

    It's too bad the battles for the playoff spots will grab all the
    headlines this weekend. Denver at San Diego could be one of the
    more entertaining games in week 16.  With the change in admin,
    the Chargers would like this win to finish on a positive note and 
    send a message that they plan to improve. Who better than to do
    it against?
    
    BoB

    Bob,
    
    Face it, no one cares about this game!  It's for girly-mons only!
    
    Wigga-Wacker-WOOOOO
    
    MD

    Well 3 Chargers made the Pro Bowl :
    
    	Lee Williams will start at DE
    	Leslie O'Neal is a backup at OLB
    	Anthony Miller is a backup at WR
    
    That's good, I'm pleased.  My only disappointment is that Billy Ray
    hasn't made it again.
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

    Re 63.4:
    >  I see the Chargers getting no more than 200 net yards...
    >  And that's generous.
    >
    >		Tim
    
    Well Tim.  You put your foot in it this time.
    
    Point #1:  This loss to the Chargers will probably propel the 
    	       Broncos all the way to the Super Bowl.  I think Reeves
    	       will use it to point out to the players that they're not
    	       invincible.
    
    Point #2:  The Broncos have not allowed a passer to have a 300 yard
    	       day all season.  Billy Joe Tolliver was over 300 yards.
    
    Point #3:  The Broncos, with an AFC leading 48 sacks, got 0 against the
    	       Chargers, while the Chargers registered 7 against the
    	       Broncos and now are tied with Denver with 48 sacks.  Lee
    	       Williams and Leslie O'Neal rank 1, 2, in the conference for
    	       sacks, followed by Bruce Smith and then Simon Fletcher.  
    
    Point #4:  It was the BRONCOS that barely made 200 yards of net
    	       offense (206 to be exact).  The Chargers had almost 400 (387).
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

      I guess I did,  Who woulda thought with 5 ints (or whatever amount it
    was) that the chargers would have had as big of day as they did.  This
    game was a "quite" one from the start.  I couldn't believe Treadwell. 
    He did good all year!!  Oh well,  at least it was a meaningless game.
    
       Next year Glenn!
    
    			Tim

	Sack leaders in AFC:
    
    	1.  Lee Williams, SD 	14 sacks
    	2.  Bruce Smith, Buff	13 sacks
    	3.  Leslie O'Neal SD	12.5 sacks
    	4.  Simon Fletcher, Den	12 sacks
    	5.  Porter, Sea		10.5 sacks
    	    Townsend, Raid	10.5 sacks
    	6.  Grossman, SD	10 sacks
    	    Cross, Mia		10 sacks
    	    Hand, Ind		10 sacks
    	    Thomas, KC  	10 sacks
    	7.  Holmes, Den		 9 sacks
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

    
    AFC Team Sack Totals:
    
    	San Diego 	48
    	Denver  	47
    	Cleveland	45
    	Miami		39
    	Buffalo		38
    	Houston		36
    	Raiders		35
    	New England	34
    	Cincinnati	33
    	Seattle		32
    	Pittsburgh	31
    	Ind.		28
    	NY Jets		28
    	Kansas City	23
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

    Pete Bethard has said he'll make a decision about becoming GM for the
    Chargers or remaining with NBC, by Jan 15th.
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

       Is he Bobby's bro?
                                    Denny

    Well it appears that Bethard has decided to go to San Diego.  I have
    heard it time and time again, but I don't think he has yet signed a
    contract.  Does anyone know for sure?
    
    Glenn

    How come that young pup Costas is known as Bob, while that almost
    old man Beathard is known as Bobby?
    
    Sounds a little ridiculous to me.  I appreciate his knowledge of
    the game, however. (Beathard, that is.  Costas don't know Bo)
    
    Lee

    I heard Bethard say it himself. Whether he actually inked the deal
    yet, I don't know.
    
                              Steve J.

    The Associated Press reported this morning that the entire scouting
    staff of the San Diego Chargers was fired as part of the front office
    shakeup that began with Steve Ortmayer's dismissal as director of
    football operations.  Also fired were the club's director of player
    personnel, director of college scouting, and Ortmayer's personal
    secretary.
    
    Bobby Beathard would be formally introduced as the Chargers' new
    general manager today after he signs his contract with the club.  
    
    Essentially it's a "done deal".
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

    Glenn,
    
     It's gonna take more than some washed up old Foreskin to save
    the lowly Chargers.......  Count on another losing season for
    Calif's.  4th team.   ;^) ~/~
    
    Big Game

    You may be right Jack, but I don't necessarily think so.  There's a ton
    of young talent on that Charger team, but the front office sucked. 
    Now, maybe, with the house in order, things will be stable and progress
    can be made.
    
    It's been made official also.  Yesterday Bethard signed as Chargers
    General Manager.
    
    I see 2 IMMEDIATE pluses with Bethard now in charge:
    
    	1 - The resigning of Gary Anderson, running back.  Bethard can
    	    start new with Anderson.  He can claim he wasn't involved
    	    in negotiations last year, let's start new, etc.
    
    	2 - Alex Spanos has made a "promise of non-interference".  This is 
    	    the biggest plus, because he's not a football man and always 
    	    f****d things up.  Now with a successful football man in the
    	    front office, trades will make sense, direction will be steady, 
    	    etc.  
    
    I, personally, believe this move is worth 2 in the win column, based on
    Bethard alone.  He's that good!
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

    Glenn,
    
     You may be right.......   I was really just trying to get a rise
    outta ya.  Bethard probably will do all the things you claim he
    will, he is a pretty good GM.
    
    Big Game
    
    P.S.  You gotta keep that kid of yours from running into doors like
         that.  He didn't sound very happy when I saw you guy coming form
         the movies.   ;^)

    Beathard is an incredible general manager.  Some of his deals when he
    was with Washington were truly amazing.  So what if Doug Williams has
    had only one good game.  He sure picked a good time to have it, eh ???
    
    San Diego will be in and win the Super Bowl within the next five years.
    
    Bob Hunt

    Trying to get a rise out of *me* aren't you Bob ? Congrats.
    
    Doug had a lot of good games aginst Philly (never lost
    to Philly as a 'Skin) didn't he ? 
    
    I do agree about Bethard. Boy, him and Al Davis ought to be a lot
    of fun ...
    
    DrM

    Steve that would be a BAD trade for the Chargers.  Bo is going back to
    baseball, Howie is close to the end, and I'm don't know that much about
    McElroy.  I know he was injures some this year.  Is he injury prone?
    
    When Bethard signs Anderson, that'll give the Chargers a pretty good 4
    running back rotation:
             Marion Butts, Tim Spencer, Gary Anderson, Darrin Nelson.
    
    Glenn "Live from Charger Central" 

    
    Glenn,
    McElroy has been "injury prone" this year and last. Before that he was
    a Pro Bowl safety. I think there are two reasons for his "injury
    proneness". 1) He just turned 30. 2) The guy is totally nuts. He has no
    regard what so ever for his own body when filling on running plays. 
    
    Next year will be Bo's last in the NFL, more than likely.
    
    Howie has a good 3 years of top ball in him yet. He will not be traded.
    He has said, more than once, that if he is ever traded, he would
    retire. He only wants to play for the RAIDERS, doesn't need the money
    and is active in the Redondo Beach community.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    Hoot, why do you say next year is Bo's last year?
    
    Hawk

    I'll tell ya why,  Theres just to many dollars in Baseball.
    Bo will use football as a tool to get maybe a huge signing bonus
    or and extra 200 thousand a year on his contract.  When Bo 
    leaves the Faiders they will be in the cellar for another
    2 or 3 years....
    
    
    Big Game

    re: last few
    
    Any word on the latest KC offer?
    
    
    John

     re a few back
      Bethard left the Redskins because of the Schroeder, Lachey deal.
    Bethard said there was no way that he wanted to trade Schroeder, Gibbs
    wanted to trade him, Gibbs got his way, so Bethard quit.
    
                              Steve J.
    P.S. the Redskins also got a 3rd round pick in the deal.

    
    You guys are underestimating Uncle AL. I really think that Bo will
    continue to do both. Al's isn't afraid to spend money and isn't about
    to force Bo to choose. KC may deleiver and ultimatumn to Bo that he
    give up football if he wants to be a three million man, but if Bo balks
    I'm sure they'll be more than willing to pay him 2 mill or so without
    giving up football and Uncle Al will ceretainly make up the rest +.
    
    Also doesn't everyone wish to see this incredible athelete excel at
    both sports? I do. Which I think makes it bad PR move for KC to force
    him. 
    
    It's up to BO. If he wants both he'll get both no matter how much
    money KC wants to offer him to give up football. If this was the
    day and age of 5+ year and lifetime contracts then they'd have a 
    right to demand it but with only three deals no way.....
    
    
    mike

    You may be right Mike but I really think that Bo will 
    hang up the football cleats.......  Either by being forced
    to by KC or of his own accord.  How long can he continue 
    to do both and still remain healthy ?  And, the bigger question
    is,  How much of his seinor citzen baseball career is he giving
    up by doing both.  He may be able to get Al to make up the
    difference and more but will Al pay him when he can't play
    football anymore and doing both has shortened his baseball
    career by 5 years or so ?  I think Bo is a smart man, he
    will realize he has alot more to lose in the long run by
    playing both and quit football.  I could be wrong but I'd 
    be willing to put a SPACK(tm) up that hes all done after
    his current contract is up.
    
    KG_Big Game

    
    Jack pretty much summed up why I think he will quit football after next
    season. Next year is the last year of his RAIDER contract. By the end
    of the football season he looked tired. I don't think he can keep it
    up. Playing professional sports almost year 'round has to take a heck
    of a toll on the body.
    
                                                  HOOT
    

   What ever happened to the RB, I think his name was McCullem(sp)? He
   was the guy who was in the navy, was traded by the Raiders to SD.

   Chuck

    Chuck -
    
    He was given back to the Navy.  He just can't cut it the way he's doing
    it now.  If, by chance, he retired from the Navy and went after a
    football career full-time, then maybe he'd be good.
    
    Glenn

    
    On Friday Bobby Bethard very quietly named Dan Davis (I think that was
    his name) as Assistant GM.  Does anyone know anything about this guy? 
    I don't.
    
    Thanks.....
    
    Live from Charger Central.....
    
    Glenn

    Glenn,
    
    Dan Davis used to be a referee in the WWF.
    
    					HTH,
    					Steve

    re last two
    
    He was my insurance agent when I lived in Maryland.
    
                                  Steve J.

    Soooo, the sports notes community is stumped eh?  
    
    I dunno.  Maybe this guy was with Bethard at Washington.
    
    Glenn

    I've never heard of him.
    
    John

    Well I really made a mess out of this.  Last Friday Bobby Bethard named
    Dick Daniels as the Asst GM.  Not Dan Davis.  My mistake.
    
    Does anyone know THIS guy?  Dick Daniels.
    
    Glenn

And his sister Jill...that's that new whisky especially for women...
something like 1/2 the alcohol...;^)

'Saw
    

    Hmmm, Jack and Jill.  Sounds like a pair of Donk fans to me. :*)
    
    Lee

    Dr. Midnight -
    
    Courtney Hall & Billy Joe Tolliver made the Score Football Cards
    Supplemental Update list, along with Leslie O'Neal & McMahon.
    
    NFL ProSet has an announcer set series and I purchased a Dan Fouts
    "Announcer" football card for my collection.
    
    FYI.
    
    Glenn

    Thanks a bunch Glenn ! I'll hit the stores as soon as I can.
    
    Doc

    Eugene Klein, former owner of the Chargers died yesterday of heart
    complications.  RIP.
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

>    Eugene Klein, former owner of the Chargers died yesterday of heart
>    complications.  RIP.
    
   Are they blaming Uncle Al for this yet???

    Y'know Monty, I was going to mention his on-going feud with Davis but
    decided that this guys death was sobering enough.  I decided not to
    even bring up the subject because I wanted the note to be about his
    death rather a pissing contest re: Al Davis. 
    
    I'm not surprised that your paranoia re: Davis' relations with the rest
    of the owners in the league and your loyalty to the Raider organization
    propelled you into having to defend Davis.  Davis' name was never
    mentioned in any article I have seen regarding Klein's death.
    
    Live from Charger Central...
    
    Glenn

>    propelled you into having to defend Davis.  Davis' name was never
>    mentioned in any article I have seen regarding Klein's death.
    
 I'm not really on the Defence for Uncle Al but!!!  A news show last night
and one paper article both brought it up.......
The deal with him sueing Uncle Al for causing health problems in the past
were stated.....  I am sorry to see that he did pass away...  FWIW

monty

    Monty - The article I saw in the RMNews didn't mention Davis at all.  
    
    Klein's book - First Down and a Billion was very good.  It spoke of the
    trials and tribulations of owning a football team.  There was one line
    that always sticks out in my mind.  "And then once in awhile you get a
    player like Duane Thomas on your team."  He really loved Duane Thomas. 
    He admired the hell out of him.
    
    FYI.
    
    Glenn

    re .54
    
    
    I'm not suprised about Thomas. It's a shame that a player like that
    wound up with a team like Dallas ....
    
    

    Dr. Midnight -
    
    I'll try and find some of the things that Gene said in his book.  I do
    remember him saying that Duane would NEVER come to practise, wouldn't
    talk with anyone and then when it came time to scrimmage or play the
    game he would NEVER forget misrun a play omake any mistakes.He always
    had it down perfectly.  
    
    Glenn

    Glen, that's exactly the same thing that Staubach said. Duane would
    never say a word, but he almost never blew an assignment, and was
    never accused of not putting out. He just ran his butt off week
    in and week out.
    
    Of course, in the early 70's, and 'militant' like Thomas was hammered
    by the conservative Knights Of The Keyboard (tm). And being in Dallas,
    where a black guy was supposed to be a certain way, just added to
    it ... sigh ...

    From Gene Klein's book; "First Down and a Billion, the Funny Business
    of Pro Football" -
    
	In all the years I owned the Chargers, of all the players we 
had, one player stands out, or, more accurately, sits out.  Duane 
Thomas.  Duane Thomas was the best football player in the workld, it's 
just that that world was not the same one in which all the rest of us 
lived.  Thomas was the strangest human being I've ever known.

	...We knew that if he played up to his capabilities he would be 
a tremendous asset to the Chargers, so we started negotiating with 
Cowboys general manager Tex Schramm...   On July 29, 1972, we made the 
deal.

	...We couldn't find Thomas for three weeks.  Then, on August 17, 
he walked into our training camp.  On August 17, he also walked out of 
training camp.  "What happened?" I asked Harland Svare, our head coach.
	"It was the stangest thing I've ever seen," Harland said.  "He 
just stared at me."
	"What do you mean?"
	"Just that.  He stood about two inches away from me, face to 
face, nose to nose, and he just stared at me.  He never said a word, he 
just stared.  Then he left.  It was scary."

	The following morning he left camp.  This time we caught him at 
the airport, trying to borrow $94.00 to buy an airplane ticket back to 
Dallas.  I told Harland to try to convince him to meet me in Palm 
Springs to discuss his contract.  "All right," Harland said, "but you'd 
better watch out.  He's gonna come out there and stare at you."
	That is exactly what he did.  He stood no more than six inches 
away from me and just stared into my eyes.  He didn't say a word, he 
just stared.  I asked him a few questions.  He continued staring at me.  
"You got anything you want to say to me?" I asked again.  He continued 
staring at me.  "Okay, if that's the way you feel," I said, as if we'd 
actually had a conversation.  "That's all, go ahead back."

	After Thomas left Palm Springs, we didn't see him again for two 
months.  Then unannounced, he showed up just before we were to play the 
Cowboys.  By that time, our record was 2-4-1 and we'd lost three 
successive games.  If he wanted to play, we wanted him to play.  He 
dressed for the game, ran out onto the field with the team, and then sat 
down, cross-legged, beneath the goalposts, staring straight ahead.
	While the team went through pregame calisthenics, Thomas sat 
immobile.  Just staring. The team finished its workout and returned to 
our locker room for a final meeting.  Thomas just sat there, beneath the 
goalposts, staring.
	I was watching this from my box.  "What's he doing?" people kept 
asking me.  What could I tell them? Staring?  Finally, the rest of the 
squad came back out onto the field.  Thomas still hadn't moved.  When 
the band started playing the national anthem, we had him half-carried, 
half-dragged off the field.  He didn't play a single down for us that 
season.
	
	Abner Haynes was a bright, decent man, and a few days after the 
Chargers had opened the 1973 preseason camp, we agreed on a new contract 
for Thomas.  Haynes promised Thomas would be at practice the following 
morning.
	Forty-five minutes before the squad took the field the next 
morning, Harland was stunned to see Thomas dressed and working out by 
himself.  He went through an unusual series of loosening-up exercises 
that seemed to be a combination of calisthenics, yoga, and medieval 
torture.  When the team began scrimmaging, Svare put in Thomas at 
running back.  "It was the most amazing thing I've ever seen," Harland 
told me later, his voice literally shaking.  "He'd never been to a 
single team meeting, but he shifted into every one of our formations as 
if he'd been running them all his life.  He didn't miss one.  Then he 
started running the plays as if we'd designed them especially for him; 
every time he got his hands on the ball he broke through the line.  
Gene, this was the best performance I've ever seen on a football field, 
I mean the best.  This guy is solid gold."
	The next day I went to the workout to see for myself.  Again, 
Thomas arrived forty-five minutes early.  When practice began, he was 
even better than Harland had described.  He was s superb runner, a 
superb receiver, a superb blocker.  His presence seemed to raise the 
level of play of the entire team.  That night he even attended his first 
team meeting.  
	The third morning, the same thing happened - he showed up early 
and dominated practice.  I knew what it felt like to discover the Holy 
Grail.  At the end of the morning workout we stopped for lunch.  Duane 
got into his car and drove away.  Afternoon practice began at 2:20.  
When he hadn't returned by 2:10 we began to get a little nervous.  2:15. 
2:25. Practice began without him.  Soon afterward, he strolled onto the 
practice field.  He was not wearing his equipment.  Svare saw him and 
shouted, "Hey Duane, get in here."
	Thomas glared right through him.  "Quit hassling me, man," he 
shouted back.  "What are you hassling me for?"  He continued walking...

	We had to get rid of him.  A day or so later we traded him to 
the Redskins.

	And George Allen?  If you asked George Allen what time it was, 
he'd trade you a draft choice.  If you asked him how his family was, 
he'd trade you a defensive back.  And his record proves, he knew what he 
was doing...  But probably the deal of which I'm most proud, the 
toughest deal of all, the deal that many people believed was impossible, 
the only deal I made in football that... was getting George Allen to 
actually give us something of value for Duane Thomas.
	After it had becomve obvious that we had to get rid of Thomas, 
the question became who would take a player so difficult to deal with 
that even the San Diego Chargers, the worst team in football, no longer 
wanted him?  Who in their right mind would do that?
	Some people have unpleasant things to say about George Allen, 
but I'm not one of them.  George Allen, the coach of last resort.  The 
most important thing to know about George Allen is that if anyone should 
ask what the largest object in North America is, the answer is George 
Allen's ego.  So the key to making this deal with George was helping him 
build up his ego - not that he would have admitted needing help.  After 
Duane Thomas failed to report to the Chargers in 1972, I started 
building a case for him with George Allen.  Every time I saw George at a 
meeting, every time I spoke to him on the phone, I'd sigh and say, "You 
know what I think, George?  I think the only man in football capable of 
handling Duane Thomas is George Allen.  Really, I think you're the only 
guy who can handle him.  If Harland wasn't so dead set against it, I'd 
trade him to you right now.  But you know Harland, he thinks he can get 
Thomas to play.  Frankly I doubt it; I think you're the only one who 
can.  I promise you this, if I can ever talk Harland into trading him, 
you're the first person I'll call."
	George agreed with me completely.  "See what youcan do," he'd 
encourage.  "Try to talk Harland into it."
	"I'll try, but if he doesn't want to, there's nothing I can do 
about it."
	When we decided to get rid of Thomas, I told Harland, "Get on 
the phone and call George Allen.  Say that I've been on your ass and 
that you really don't want to trade Thomas, but that you've finally got 
to admit that you can't handle him.  Tell him that you know that he's 
probably the only guy in football who can bring out Thomas' talent - 
make sure that you tell him that.  Then tell him you wnat two 
first-round draft picks.  If I know George, he'll come back and offer 
you a first and a second.  Don't hang up the phone till you've made the 
deal."
	A few hours later I was having dinner at a San Diego restaurant 
and Harland found me.  "You've got to be clairvoyant," he said.  "I 
called Allen, I told him that he was  the only guy in football who could 
handle Thomas.  He agreed with me.  Then I told him we anted two firsts. 
He offered me a first and a second.  We went back and forth for a while, 
I complained, but finally I took it."
	I believe Allen got a half a season out of Duane Thomas, which 
was a half a season more than anyone else could have gotten.

Reprinted without permission - "First Down and a Billion, the Funny 
Business of Pro Football" by Gene Klein.

Live from Charger Central.....

Glenn

	Good story, Glenn. Thanks.

Mike JN

    Wow ..... that's all I can say. 
    
    I believe Thomas wrote a book recently talking about his NFL career,
    but I don't remember the name offhand ....

    
    Isn't Thomas a counselor of some sort now, working with kids?  If I'm 
    not mistaken (I think it was he), Thomas was on some pre-game show a 
    while back and said he wished he hadn't been quite so difficult 
    during his career.  Not an admission of guilt, mind you, just that
    there were two sides to his problems.
    
    glenn
    

    I also heard that he was working as a counselor with kids.  I'd like to
    read his book.  If anyone gets the title please post it.
    
    Klein also had some funny stuff to say about Johnny U. when he was a
    Charger.
    
    That's funny about George Allen though.  Don't you think?
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

    I heard that the Chargers signed Thomas Sanders, RB, a Plan B free
    agent, from Chicago.  I know he was a backup to Payton & Anderson, but
    that's about all I know.  Would someone please give me more information
    on him.  Thanks.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....
    
    Glenn

    More Charger news...
    
    Chargers signed John Kidd, punter.  Who's John Kidd? Anyone know?
    
    Dan Fouts made 2nd Team "Team of the Decade" as QB behing Montana.
    Kellen Winslow made 1st team "Team of the Decade" as TE.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....
    
    Glenn

    re .64:
    
    John Kidd was Buffalo's punter.  Doesn't kick them far, but usually
    gets very good "hang time".
    
    
    py

    Glenn,

      Sanders is a talent, has a history of being a mild head case. Was 
      suspended once for failing the NFL drug test in 1988(?). Got into
      Ditkas dog house because he has the knack of fumbling at crucial
      points of a game. Worth a look and see.

    Chuck

    Well Chuck.  That's just what I want, a back who fumbles at crucial
    times.  :-)
    
    Glenn

    I saw in the paper where the Rams have signed former Charger punter
    Hank Ilesic, previously from Canada.
    
    FYI.
    
    Glenn

    Ronnie (I dropped the game winning TD) Harmon signed with SD too...
    

    Give me more on this please.  Ronnie Harmon was with whom?
    
    Glenn

    Glenn, where's my guinness Stout? You got Dinz-itis?
    
    JoJ

    He dropped the pass with 0:08 or so left against the Browns in the
    playoff game.  Kelly was intercepted the following play....

    A friend told me that the Chargers have told Gary Anderson to negotiate
    his own deal with any team in the league.  He said he heard it on ESPN
    or SportsChannel or one of those.
    
    I have been unable to confirm this.  I haven't seen it in any
    newspaper.  Can someone shed some light on this?  Is Anderson a gonner?
    
    The Chargers need to sign Anderson to team him up with Butts and give
    the Chargers a "Thunder and Lightning" type of backfield.
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

    re .74:
    
    > A friend told me that the Chargers have told Gary Anderson to negotiate
    > his own deal with any team in the league.  He said he heard it on ESPN
    > or SportsChannel or one of those.
    
    I can confirm that Glenn, SportsChannel reported it late last week.
    
    
    py

    USA Today also reported Anderson's situation.  They said that
    he'd be an ideal back in Tampa Bay's offense.
    
    Jeff

    Well that sucks.  I thought that one of the benefits to having Bobby
    Bethard in as the new GM would be that he'd be able to smooth over
    Ortmayer's snafus.  Well, here's one that got away.  That really sucks.
    
    Glenn

    If Anderson signs with another team, will the Chargers receive
    compensation?  Draft choices?  What?
    
    Glenn

    No one knows, eh?
    
    Glenn

    Glenn,
    
    From what I've read the Chargers are contemplating trading him
    to Tampa Bay.  I think they would be entitled to compensation
    if he were to sign on with a new club.
    
    Jeff 

    
    Glenn,
    Was his contract up when he held out last year? If so and he sat out
    the year he is free to go anywhere he pleases.

    Well, I'm not sure how I feel about this trade of Anderson to TB.
    A 3rd this year and a conditional 2nd next year......Ummm....it doesn't
    sound too great to me.  I guess it's OK,......but......I dunno.
    I guess I was hoping for better.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....
    
    Glenn

    Last year the Chargers ended the season with more sacks than any other
    AFC team. 
    
    Lee Williams was #1 in the conference in sacks with 14 sacks, 
    Leslie O'Neal was #3 with 12.5 and rookie Burt Grossman was tied for
    6th with 10 sacks.  
    
    The Charger D finished 3rd in the Final AFC rankings.  
    
    The drafting of Junior Seau, LB, and Jeff Mills, LB, can only help
    those figures.
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

    Last year the Chargers drafted Burt Grossman, and I wondered what they
    were going to do with Leslie O'Neal.  They answered me and put him as
    an OLB, where he went on to make the Pro-Bowl.
    
    This year the Chargers drafted 2 OLB's, Junior Seau and Jeff Mills, and
    once again I find myself saying, "What are they going to do with Leslie
    O'Neal?"
    
    Anyone have any ideas?
    
    
    Last year the Charger D looked like this....Where are they going to
    play Seau and Mills?
    
    
    		DE	        NT	      DE
        Lee Williams        Joe Phillips    Burt Grossman
    
    	
    	OLB		ILB	       ILB 	      OLB
    Billy Ray Smith  Gary Plummer  Cedric Figaro  Leslie O'Neal
    
    	
    	CB		S		S		CB
    Gill Byrd	  Vencie Glenn	  Martin Bayless    ???
    						    Elvis Patterson,
    						    Sam Seale and others
    
    
    Live from Charger Central.....
    
    Glenn

    Glen,
    
    	Trade him to Denver!
    
    Claybone

    
    Glenn,
    I heard that Smith would move back to the inside and Seau (sp?) would
    play the outside. Mills? I don't know anything about him.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

>    I heard that Smith would move back to the inside and Seau (sp?) would
>    play the outside. Mills? I don't know anything about him.
    
 	I also heard that Smith would be moved inside. Mills or O'Neal may
also move to the inside, Mills long arms may make him a good cover man
on a TE or RB from the ILB position.

	Jim M    

    Of interest to this area, the San Diego Chargers today drafted
    CU running back JJ Flanigan.  FYI.
    
    Glenn

    Re .86;
    
    Hoot!  Here's the lowdown on Jeff Mills.
    
    Vitals:  6-4, 230. 4.77  OLB Nebraska
    
    Notes:  Lettered in 1987 after playing JV ball as a true freshman. 
    Started in 88 & 89.
    
    Positives:  Excellent size and size potential.  Will be 250 pounds when
    he's done growing.  Good speed.  Does a nice job of stringing plays
    out.  Can control a tight end.  Can play down.  Improves every year. 
    Is just starting to scratch the surface of his potential.  Shows
    flashes.  Young; just turned 21 in November.
    
    Negatives:  A little stiff in his movements.  Does not always play to
    his speed.  Plays tall and loses leverage at times.  Does not always
    wrap up when he tackles.  Needs a lot of work on pass coverage.  Was
    not an impact player in college. 
    
    Summary:  Has talent but needs better technique and more experience.
    
    
    What'dya think Hoot?  Sounds like an up-n-comer who needs some
    experience to me.
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

    Did Junior Seau play ROLB or LOLB at USC?
    
    Glenn

Glenn from the clips I saw he played ROLB...

Jeff

I thought they cut Sam Seal last year???



Monty

    
    Thanks Glenn. Looks like the Chargers got one to groom with lots of
    potential. 
    
    RE: Chargers picking Flanigan
    
    Rats! I was hoping the RAIDERS would get him. He could be a major
    sleeper. The guy can flat out run.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

     
Glenn, Seau played in the middle but because of his quickness he is projected
to be a OLB,

chuck

    The Chargers were slated to have 1 pick in the 6th round, but then
    Bethard went to work.  Today's GT says that "Bethard dealth for three
    extra picks, Dallas' and choices the Cowboys had from the Patriots and
    the Giants".  
    
    Does anyone know what this "deal" entailed?  What were the terms?
    
    Glenn

    1990 Charger Draft Picks:
    
    1st round:  Junior Seau, LB, USC
    2nd round:  ---no pick---
    3rd round:  Jeff Mills, LB, Nebraska
    3rd round:  Leo Goeas, OG, Hawaii
    4th round:  Walter Wilson, WR, East Carolina
    5th round:  ---no pick---
    6th round:  John Friesz, QB, Idaho
    6th round:  Frank Cornish, C, UCLA
    6th round:  David Pool, DB, Carson-Newman
    6th round:  Derrick Walker, TE, Michigan
    7th round:  Jeff Novak, OG, SW Tex State
    7th round:  Joe Staysniak, OT, Ohio State
    7th round:  Nat Lewis, WR, Oregon State
    7th round:  Keith Colllins, DB, App State
    8th round:  JJ Flannigan, RB, Colorado
    9th round:  Chris Goetz, OG, Pittsburgh
    10th round:  Kenny Berry, DB, Miami, Fla
    11th round:  Tommy Stowers, TE, Missouri
    12th round:  Elliot Searcy, WR, So Utah
    
    17 picks total:
          5 defense (2 linebackers, 3 defensive backs)
         12 offense (5 offensive linemen, 3 wide receivers, 2 tight ends,
                     1 running back, 1 quarterback)
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

    From the clips I saw, Seau didnt drop into coverage at all last
    year. ESPN said he was a pass rusher and run stuffer.
    				Rich
    

    Subj:	RE: Chargers Draft

    Grade:  B+

    Chargers had no #2 or picks in the 4th or 5th rounds, but 17 choices 
    overall.  
    
    If anyone can find gems in the late going, it's GM Bobby  Beatherd.  
    His 1st pick, Junior Seau, can only bolster the AFC's top pass rush, 
    though some fear he's one-dimensional.  Chargers didn't get an OL until 
    the 3rd round.  G Chris Goetz, grabbed late, is the type of weight-room
    fantatic that Beatherd loves (ala the Hogs in Washington..)  Chargers did
    well by getting QB John Friesz in the sixth.
    
    Friesz really looked good in the all-star games and in the combines.  
    I was surprised he lasted that long.   Some good talent in the late 
    rounds.
    
    JJ Flanagan is a speedster - don't know if he can adjust to pro-style, 
    having played out of the wishbone as the deep tailback at Colorado,
    but, I could see him as a good KR and situational back.  I also like 
    Kenny Berry, the DB picked late from Miami.  Used to playing pro-style 
    defense.  

    Glen,
    
    	J.J. was actually a flanker but moved to tailback when Bienemy
    	got hurt...........
    
    Clay

    The San Diego Chargers today "released" QB Jim McMahon.
    
    Jim's contract ended at the end of last season, and the Chargers didn't
    want to pay him what he wanted.
    
    To my knowledge, the only QB's in Chargerville are;
    		Starter Billy Joe Tolliver
    		Mark Vlasic
    		Draft Pick John Friesz
     		Dave Archer (I think)
    
    Laufenberg last year was with Cowboys, and Mark Malone went to the
    Jets??
    
    I have mixed feelings about this because (1) it shows they're committed
    to having Billy Joe as their starter, but (2) we could use an
    established backup for Tolliver.
    
    Any comments?
    
    Hot off the wire, LIVE from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

    Maybe it's time for McMahon to hang up his jock anyway.  When you
    count up the actual playing time he's had in the past 2-3 years
    he must have made a hefty hourly wage.  He wasn't that effective
    last year when he *did* play, imo.
    
    Cowboy
    

    But what's that do to the Chargers QB situation?
    Will Betherd trade for an established backup?
    
    Glenn

Looks like the Chargers of the 90's are looking like a mirror opposite of the
Chargers of the 70's 

Letting McMahon go is a foolish mistake If Seattle is smart they will pickup
McMahon and at least win both games against the Chargers this year. 

Anybody in the AFC west could use McMouth. 

Dumb move S.D. 

    I don't think so Jeff.  The Chargers will no doubt revamp their offense
    around Tolliver's tools, so McMahon could offer no help in that aspect.
    
    He could, however, help explain defensive schemes.  But don't most
    teams study this anyway?  And the defense will change with the
    additions of Seau and Mills.  What'dya think?
    
    Glenn

       Did Anyone hear if Jim Mcmahon got cut??
                                             Denny

    All I heard is that he was "released".  Not cut.  Not traded.
    
    Glenn

    
    
    -< Jim McMahon was released by the Chargers, in case you haven't heard >-
    
    
    
    					:-)
    

> Anybody in the AFC west could use McMouth. 
    
    Maybe my memory is still shorter than my appendage but I caint
    remember the last good game (or win) by McMouth.
    
    Are the Chargers hurting that bad for an experienced QB?  Why not
    give Tolliver a shot at it alone and see if he can hold up without
    McMahon on the sidelines.

    I agree with you Cowboy.  I believe the Chargers will give Tolliver a
    shot at it alone, but if he goes down with injury....
    
    Glenn

McMahon's ability to ignite a offense is the reason any AFC west team could 
use him. 
He won a big game for the Chargers against the Bears last yr. 
I would think that without Anderson and McMahon now this very young San Diego 
offense would really be looking for some experience.  

    Jeff what year are you talking about?
    
    The Chargers didn't play the Bears in regular season last year.
    
    Glenn

    I tell ya, the old Oakland Raiders would scoff McMahon up in a second.
    I mean isn't he the perfect 'Raider'?   Anti-establishment, free
    spirited, but a winner.
    
    JD

    The Chargers are much better off without McMahon.  Now they prove
    they are committed to Tolliver as a starter, and he won't have 
    McMahon staring over his shoulder, waiting for him to screw up.
    
    Also, it allows the Chargers to give more snaps in pre-season and 
    training camp to Friesz, to see if he can cut it at this level.
    David Archer is a decent back-up, and Friesz can spend this year
    learning, and the Chargers can spend the year evaluating him, as
    well as Tolliver.
    
    NAZZ

    If like you said behind Tolliver they still have Vlasic, Freisz and
    Archer I don't think they have much to fear about.  At least there is
    nothing more in McMahon this date to do more than these guys.  
    
    Charles

    Charger Schedule:
    
    Sept 9	@Dallas
    Sept 16	Cincinnati
    Sept 23	@Cleveland
    Sept 30	Houston
    Oct 7	@Pittsburgh
    Oct 14	@NY Jets
    Oct 21	LA Raiders
    Oct 28	Tampa Bay
    Nov 4	@Seattle
    Nov 11	Denver
    Nov 18	@Kansas City
    Nov 25	Seattle		ESPN
    Dec 2	NY Jets
    Dec 9	--Open Date--
    Dec 16	@Denver
    Dec 23	Kansas City
    Dec 30	Raiders
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

    
    ya gotta like that open date, Glenn. Good timing, just before the
    stretch run vs. three divisional rivals.

    I saw that Hoot.  I like the schedule and the positioning of that open
    date is VERY nice!  Just glancing it over, it looks like a 9-7 year,
    but I'll reserve judgement until after the Preseason.
    
    Does anyone have the Charger preseason schedule?
    
    Glenn

    >Today's GT says that "Bethard dealth for three extra picks, 
    >Dallas' and choices the Cowboys had from the Patriots and
    >the Giants".  
    >Does anyone know what this "deal" entailed?  What were the terms?
    
    Well I found out what this deal was.  The Chargers traded next years
    3rd round pick for the Cowboys 3 6th round picks this year.
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

    Charger News.....
    
    ...Chargers traded WR Jamie Holland to the LA Raiders for a
       "undisclosed future draft choice".....
    
    ...Rookies reported to mini-camp May 5-12, veterans May 7-12....
    
    ...Bobby Bethard had a trade with Dallas on draft day, but backed off 
       it.  Dallas 2nd round pick (1st pick in 2nd round) for Chargers' 1st
       next year and this years 3rd.  Bethard wanted Keith Sims, a guard
       from Iowa State.  "It was just too much." said Bethard.....
    
    ...Plan B Signings...
    	John Carney, K, Tampa Bay
    	Ronnie Harmon, RB, Buffalo
     	John Kidd, P, Buffalo
    	Joe Mickles, S, Indianapolis
    	Bruce Plummer, S, Indianapolis
    	Mark Rodenhauser, C, Minnesota
    	Thomas Sanders, RB, Chicago
    	Mike Simmonds, G, Tampa Bay
    	Tom Toth, G, Miami
    
    ...Chargers that have signed with other teams....
    	Elliot Smith, DB, to Denver
    	Elvis Patterson, DB, to Raiders
    	James Fitzpatrick, T, to Raiders
    	Joe Campbell, LB, to Raiders
    	Chris Gannon, DE, to New England
    	Brett Miller, T, to Jets
    	Hank Ilesic, P, to Rams
    	
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    Ronnie Harmon will run wild in San Diego.  I didn't even know Buffalo
    put him on Plan B.  He'll be great on grass.
    
    	--dan'l

He'll just have to learn not to sweat if he's on grass...that way
no one will know.....8^)

    Steve that'll be just when we'll be at our strongest ~/~ !!
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    Rod Bernstein was recruited as a running back to A&M but was converted
    to a tight end.

    As best I can tell, the Chargers have 6 running backs:
    
    	Marion Butts
    	Tim Spenser
    	Rod Bernstine ----->Formerly TE
    	Ronnie Harmon
    	Thomas Sanders
    	JJ Flannigan
    
    Am I missing anyone?
    
    Glenn

    Glenn, why does SD want to move Bernstein ? Is his blocking inadquate ?
    
    Or maybe the Chargers don't believe that he can take the pounding
    at TE ?
    
    I think it could be a mistake ...
    
    Doc

    Doc, as you can see from 63.125, I'm not the one who found this out. 
    Gaulke did, saying he read it in TSN.
    
    > This weeks TSN says the Chargers are going to make a running back
    > out of TE Rod Bernstine.
    >
    >    Steven
    
    It's not his blocking at all.  I can however guessitmate, if you like.  
    
    1.  Bernstine was a RB before in college.
    2.  He's had knee surgery before and they may be concerned about the
    	pounding.
    3.  They've used him quasi-out of the backfield last year.
    4.  They want a better running threat since speedy Anderson is gone.
    5.  Arthur Cox - he's another TE on the team, and I just love this guy. 
    	He's hugh, he must be 280, but he THINKS he's a wideout.  He
    	catches the ball over the middle, or in the flat and takes off
    	thinking he's Steve Largent or something.  You KNOW as a kid, he
    	played sandlot as a receiver.  He's quick, and tries to juke around
    	the DB.  He's kinda like an elephant who thinks he's a cheetah.
    	It's fun to watch.
    
    What 'dya think!
    
    Glenn

    I'll creatinly root for Cox, as he's an alum from Texas Southern
    U. like me ... between him and Courtney - I'm set !

    The only good thing at Texas Southern is the band.:):):)
    
    BTW, I'm a graduate os Stephen F. Austin.

    The Ocean of Soul can kick the bass, this is true ...
    
    But what in the hell does Steven F. Austin have ? 
    
    A homecomming Queen that grazes ?
    
    :-)
    
    
    Doc

       Bert Jones, 38, former mediocre Qb for the Baltimore Colts looked so
    good on a TV show that the Chargers are considering signing him.
                                             Denny

    Denny, you say you're not making this up, but you failed to tell us
    from where you heard this.  I don't believe it, and would be very
    disappointed if it comes to pass.
    
    Glenn

       Heard it on Dan Davis' sports report on a local radio program this
    morning.
                                            Denny

    Glenn,
    
    I saw the same item about Jones on SportsChannel this morning. 
    
    Personally I don't think it will happen, but truth is stranger than
    fiction...
    
    
    py

I saw it last night at 11....

Jones is reportedly ready to do it.  If it's true, it does make
a statement about the Charger's QB situation....

'Saw

    	Hey, I got a shave and a haircut.  What's the Chargers number?

    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    I guess Beathard saw Jones throwing while doing a "commercial" in
    Hawaii... I liked Tommy Hutton's comment during the game on ESPN
    last night...
    
    Berman:  How old is 73?  Has to be too old...
    Hutton:  How old do you have to be to hold a helmet and a clipboard?
    
    -Walt

    In case you didn't see this month's SPORT magazine, they rated the top
    players in the league by position and Billy Joe Tolliver was tied with
    Majik in GB, for 4th best QB in the league.  The write-up was funny. 
    It said "No we're NOT crazy.  This kid is THAT good. ...."
    
    Chargers picked 3rd in AFC West behind Denver and KC.
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

    I think that the rating for Tolliver is off the mark. If we are talking
    about young QBs I would take Aikman over Tolliver any day.  Tolliver
    has some pretty good players around him that probably make him look
    better than he really is. I saw him when he played for Tech and even
    though he was good he's no Aikaman.
    
    BTW who were the three QBs ahead of Tolliver ?

    I think that would be Montana, Everett and Cunningham, from the
    other topic...

>    I think that would be Montana, Everett and Cunningham, from the
>    other topic...


try this for size the other three were Montana, Marino and the man the soon
to be legend the man with the swagger, the man who spits in the face of the
defensive rush the leader of the next dynasty....BUBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's about time he got his due!!!

take that Hal, Bernice was way down.....

mike

>    I think that the rating for Tolliver is off the mark. If we are talking
>    about young QBs I would take Aikman over Tolliver any day.  Tolliver
>    has some pretty good players around him that probably make him look
>    better than he really is. I saw him when he played for Tech and even
>    though he was good he's no Aikaman.
 
    You gotta be kidding me.  Exactly who are these "pretty good
    (offensive) players around him..."?  Marion Butts?  Quinn Early?
    The only one I can think of is Anthony Miller.  So I'll give you 1, but
    who else?
    
    Glenn

    For San Diego's sake, I hope BJT isn't a Troy Aikman.  Aikman is
    horrible, and he will lead the hapless Sowboys to many an excellent
    loss.  That is, if the little girly-mon can last after getting whumped
    on week after week.  
    
    JD

    I was unaware of this before now.  
    
    The Chargers hired Jack Reilly, who was canned witht he rest of the
    University of Utah staff, to help out with the offense.  Reilly is
    regarded as a passing expert and should thlp the club find a passing
    game.
    
    Chargers also hired Alex Gibbs as offensive line coach.  Gibbs had been
    with he Raiders.
    
    Live from Charger Central...Glenn

    Glenn, BJ is going to be a decent QB in the league, but the guy
    who wrote that article is sweating big time.  He trashed Moon (who
    didn't make the top ten) and Cunningham, and had the nerve to put
    KEn O'Brian on the top ten ....
    
    What a joke

    The Chargers have signed their second draft pick, Jeff Mills, LB from
    Nebraska.  FYI.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....
    
    Glenn

    FWIW, O'brien finished first in a QB skills contest recently. Other
    QB's participating were Esiason, Kosar, Marino, Elway, and some other
    notables....
    
    
    Joj

    Well, on Sunday I'm headed to Atlanta for 4 weeks of Ultrix Networks
    training and may or may not be able to get into this note as much as I
    would like.  If I don't, then at least you know why, and I'll see you
    again on August 6th.
    
    Remember...training camps start the middle of this month!  Go Chargers!
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    "Throw out the first week of the season, and only three teams didn't
    lose a game by more than seven points last year.  Two of them played in
    the Super Bowl.  The third was the Chargers.  Bobby Bethard is stepping
    into a great situation."  - Inside Sports

    Add da foist week  and the Chargers sip. 

    Chargers signed another draft pick...OG Chris Goetz.
    
    Live from Charger Central...(currently in Atlanta)...Glenn

    Yep, you're right Steven.
    
    They now have:
    	Billy Joe Tolliver   starter
    	Mark Vlasic
    	John Friesz
    
    Glenn

    Hi Steven.   I have a new "appreciation" of Atlanta.  Things are
    cetainly different there, but different doesn't necessarily equate to
    dislike.  There were some things I liked very much and others that
    make me very glad that I'm here in Colorado Springs.
    
    Anyway, it's nice to be home.....and Dallas needs to watch out this
    weekend because the Chargers are ready.  
    
    For those of you with dishes, the Cowboys / Chargers game typically is
    on satellite Westar4.  They seem to play every preseason, and I've
    always found the game on Westar4.  Kickoff is at 8pm MDT.
    
    Junior Seau still not signed.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    
    glenn,
    
    would tolliver be a good pick ina  fantasy football league?.
    
    
    what do ya think?
    

    Hi Dins...
    
    It depends on how you feel about him.  I believe that in 25 years this
    kid will be in the HOF.  I feel this kid is great, and I've watched
    every game he's played in including last preseason.  He will, no doubt,
    make some "rookie-type" errors, but so will Jeff George and Troy
    Aikman.  I'd take him, IMHO.
    
    Glenn

    
    hows the offensive line look?
    

    The offensive line is the WORST part of the offense.  Center Courtney
    Hall is the best of the group and ther other 4 are a hodge-podge of
    castoffs and draft picks.  But last year they were considerably better
    in the second half of the season than they were in the first half.
    
    Glenn

    Glenn,

       Being a Cowboy boy fan in Massachusetts, I don't get enought info
       on my boys, specially now that they are rock bottom. I would appreciate
       a good game report from you. Any chance of you taping the game. I 
       would be more than happy to work out a deal with you. No big deal if 
       your not interested, figured it can't hurt to ask.

    Chuck

    I can tape it on VHS videotape and send it to you if you want.  If you
    don't mind paying for postage, and then send it back when your done
    or send a blank tape back, that's fine.  We also play the Cowboys in
    the first game of the regular season.
    
    I don't know if you're aware, but I typically type in a full report on
    the Charger games for whomever is interested.  One time last year I
    said I was going to quit doing it because I didn't think anyone really
    cared about it, but I received quite abit of response that said people 
    enjoy reading it, so I'll continue.  I don't mind.
    
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

    Chuck, if you want the Cowboys, take your sorry a$$ to Dallas !!!!!!
    
    :-) :-) :-)
    
    Dr Midnight - Oiler Posse In Full Effect !

    Glen,

         Great, I'll be more than happy to pay for the postage and returning
    the tape ASAP. I've been reading your notes about the Chargers and there
    great. Keep pumping in all the info you can, over the years I've become
    more of a complete fan of the NFL as a whole, even tho' I bleed Cowboy
    blue and silver. I'll send you mail to work out the details.

    Doc,

         The Cowboys can still take on the Oilers and destroy them :-).
    I've been hearing rumors that the run and shoot offense being used
    in Houston this coming year is more like a High School offense and
    it will not be effective. Hope you don't have to go thru a 1-15
    year like I did. We'll have to set up some Saturday afternoon football
    games in Maynard again, Schneider can bring his John Elway football.

Chuck

    You too Bob ? 
    
    Man, I wish I could read the papers in Hosuton during football season.
    I tell you, the letters to the editor on Monday's were often better
    than the games the day before. And now, there are Cowboy fans who are
    choking down 3 decades worth of crow .... HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA !!!!!!!!
    
    DrM

    Bob,

        I've become more of football fan because I've grown up and enjoy a good
        football game, doesn't matter whos playing.  I remember the days when
        when all I was interested in watching was the Cowboys, now if its 
        football I want to watch. This holds true for all sports not just the
        Cowboys and the NFL. Your hate for the Cowboys must come from dealing
        with loud mouths bandwagon Cowboys fans who have since jumped ship.
        I would much more prefer to talk football than to argue about it. I
        know your only having good natured fun seeing the Cowboys down, but 
        there not out yet.

    Chuck

Chuck --

I can see your point.  And that's coming from a Giants fan (and what
more heated rivlary is there in football than Dallas - NY Giants???).

I think when your team is down you follow them loyally, but start
to watch other games a lot also.  I did through 20+ years of being
a Giants fan.  At first I'd watch other games in a clinical sense, perhaps
just watching the OLB all night, or the OT or OG.  Then I'd pick
a team to root for.....

So, I see where Chuck is coming from, and have sympathy...even if
he is a Sowboys fan....8^)

later,
'Saw

    Chuck,
    
    I understood what you were saying.  I watch the Monday Night Football
    and as much if the post-season as possible even if the Eagles aren't
    playing.
    
    I just find it *delicious* that the Cowboys are hurtin' so bad.  After
    all the years of "America's Team" and all that Texas hype, it's nice to
    see them come down to earth.
    
    During the 1987 season, the NFLPA went out on strike.  Quite possibly
    the all-time dumbest labor walkout.   As you recall, the owners put
    together the so-called "scab" teams.  The Cowboys recruited a good
    "scab" team and won most if not each of the three scab games.  One of
    the scab ganes was against the Eagles in Dallas.  The Eagles had a
    miserable scab team.  Brutal.  The Cowboys scabs ran it up big time. 
    Landry even put Dorsett and Danny White back in for some more points.
    
    A few weeks later, the NFLPA gave up and the regular teams came back. 
    The first game back was the Cowboys at The Vet to meet the Eagles.  You
    want to talk "bloodthirsty" ???   That crowd that day was in a serious
    "take no prisoners" mood.  All business.  Not even that many drunken
    fights.   My dad and I were there as usual.
    
    Final minutes of the game.  Score Eagles 30 Dallas 20.  Randall
    Cunningham kneeling down to kill the clock.  I say to my father: "He's
    gonna go long.  Watch Quick in the end zone."   Dad in his everloving
    sportsmanship manner says: "He better not.  That's bad."
    
    Next play, Randall bends to his knee but straightens up before he hits
    the turf and flings it long to Quick in the end zone.  Ref called pass
    interference.  Eagles ball on the one.  Give to Byars, up and over for
    six points.  Add a PAT and the clock hits triple zeroes.  Final was
    Eagles 37-20.
    
    My father was ticked. Said that it would come back to haunt us.  I was
    crying.  I was never so happy at a football game.  All the years of
    torment wiped away in a beautiful ending.   I argued that they had done
    it to us not three weeks ago.
    
    In the post-game press conference, a reporter asked His Rudeness, Buddy
    Ryan, if he had deliberately run up the score.  Ryan answered with a
    snort: "You're damn right I did.  Weren't you watching ???".  I loved
    it.  Finally, a coach who told the honest truth.  None of this wimpy
    "we just didn't get the breaks today ..." stuff.
    
    The Eagles have not lost to the Cowboys since.  Five straight victories
    and counting.  Including that stupid Bounty Bowl nonsense.  Do I
    believe Ryan sent Jesse Small after Luis Zendejas ???  Hell yes I do. 
    That's been the code of the NFL since George Halas was lacing up his
    spikes.
    
    The Eagles-Cowboys rivalry is one of the best.   To see them go 1-15 is
    pure joy.   Any of you guys remember that note I wrote two years ago
    where I sold my soul to the devil in exchange for the Cowboys to suck
    wind ???   One of my proudest moments ...
    
    Bob Hunt

    
>    The Eagles-Cowboys rivalry is one of the best.   To see them go 1-15 is
>    pure joy.   Any of you guys remember that note I wrote two years ago
>    where I sold my soul to the devil in exchange for the Cowboys to suck
>    wind ???   One of my proudest moments ...
 
    And one of your best notes, if we ever have a SPORTS Greatest Hits of
    Notes, that one gets my vote.
    
    Yeah, watching the Cowboys get humilated every week is pure favernughen
    (sp) !!!!!
    
    I mean, even watching the Celtics getting smoked doesn't quite compare
    to this .....
    
    DrM
    Bob Hunt

    Chuck,
    
          Don't let them get at you like that.  I'm a big Cowboys fan,
    moved up here from Dallas 4 months ago, and really miss all the
    coverage and news.  You should follow the football conf. for info
    on the Cowboys, Jim Avera keeps us current.
    
          BTW, isn't funny how all these teams claim to be the Cowboys
    greatest rivals ?  I guess it gives them a feeling of importance to be
    compared with one of the best (although we now have our work cut out
    for us).:):)

    We Oiler fans never claimed that you were are greatest rivals, just the
    most obnixous ones .... :-)

    Well Chuck, I taped the game for you and will send it out today unless
    you've changed your mind.  Let me know.
    
    Chargers won 28 -16.  It was 28 - 9 before the Cowboys got a late 4th
    quarter TD.  Nothing super interesting.  Charger D didn't play Leslie
    O'Neal, don't know why.  Junior Seau still isn't signed. 
    
    Oh yea!  I heard that Bobby Bethard during the off season called Marion
    Butts into his office and tore up his contract.  Bethard said that it
    wasn't fair toward Butts, and rewrote a new contract.  That's neat!
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

    Glenn,

    Yes, I want the tape. Let me know what I owe you for postage.

    I'm glad Marion Butts got the benefit of Bethards goodwill, can't
    get enough players like Butts on a team roster now a days. His
    talent maybe limited but he makes up for it with hard work.


Chuck

    Chuck, I found the game on a Dallas Feed.  The commentators are pretty
    definately pro-Cowboy, but that's fine since it was being beamed back
    to Dallas.  Enjoy the game, the tape will go out today.
    
    Glenn

    The Chargers have released J.J. Flannigan, at J.J.'s request.  Seems
    the Chargers tried to convert JJ from a running back to a wide receiver
    and he wasn't happy, and wasn't doing very well.  He didn't play in any
    of the scrimmages or the first preseason game, so they released him,
    hoping that he'll catch on elsewhere.
    
    Leslie O'Neal and Junior Seau are still unsigned.
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

    I'm currently on vacation this week, but decided to log in from home
    and take a poke around.  
    
    Chargers pretty much had their way with the Rams on Saturday night. 
    The first teams played for mosty of the first half and the score at 
    half was 17-0 Chargers.  Then the 2nd and 3rd stringers came in and 
    the score went through the roof.  Chargers won 30-27.
    
    Jim Carney, placekicker in a fight with Fuad Reveiz (formerly from
    Miami), missed a 28 yard FG and an extra point.  Fuad made everything
    he was given.
    
    For you FFL'ers...Bernstine is being played at RB, and did very well. 
    He had 94 yards for the night.  The first time he touched the ball he
    went 64 yards for a TD.  Butts didn't play, Billy Ray Smith was
    out, Leslie O'Neal wasn't signed and JrSeau still isn't signed.  
    
    I found the game on satellite and Dan Fouts was the announcer.  That
    was neat.  At halftime, Bethard said that Seau's agent made a proposal
    to the Chargers which just angered the Chargers, so they are apparently 
    far, far away.
    
    O'Neal was signed on Monday.
    
    Next Saturday, the game is in San Diego against the 49ers.  That'll
    provide another good test.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....
    
    Glenn

Glenn if you're still around this particular FFL would like to know how
Anthony Miller and Billy Jo looked??

thanks

mike

    Mike, these two guys aren't really being showcased yet because of the
    early nature of preseason, although both have played the past two
    games.  Billy Joe is a hot and cold type player who looked better in
    the Rams game than he did in the Cowboy game.  Tolliver was 10 for 20
    for 124 yards and no interceptions against the Rams.  Anthony Miller
    will blossom this year I believe.  He's good and will only get better.
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

 Thanks Glenn, I agree on Miller and certainly hope so. Now if you can just
 tell me the weeks you expect Billy Jo to be hot as opposed to cold I'll
 really be in business...

 ;^)

mike

    
    billy jo gets stifled this week against the littleton loonies
    
    
    wildman
    

    I heard on KOA Sports Talk with Jim Turner that the Chargers have
    signed Junior Seau to a contract.  I didn't get any real details other
    than Bobby Bethard told Seau's agent that this was the last contract of
    this magnitude.  After this one, Bethard will start reducing the money. 
    I guess that did it, because Seau signed.
    
              X			X		X
       Lee Williams      Joe Phillips     Burt Grossman
    
    
    	X		X		X		X
     Junior Seau    Billy R. Smith   Gary Plummer   Leslie O'Neal
    
    
        X                                               X
     Gill Byrd					     Sam Seale
    
    			X  		X
    		   Vencie Glenn     Martin Bayless
    
    
    Live from Charger Central.....
    
    Glenn

    re .191:
    
    CNN Headline Sports said that Seau's contract was 5 years at
    $910,000/year.
    
    
    py

    His agent is a wimp .... I'd have told Bethard that for every day I
    don't get what I want, my proposal goes UP $10,000 a day .....
    
    Chew on that Bobby !

    Golly Mid....you're such a man!

    That's Doctor to you ! :-)
    
    Seriously though, if I was Seau, I wouldn't play chicken, or he'd be
    road pizza ...

    There're some pieces of the puzzle you're overlooking:
    
    1.  The night before the draft Seau called Bethard and pleaded with
    	Bethard to draft him.  He wants to play and play for the
    	Chargers.
    
    1a. Seau's home is in San Diego.
    
    2.  Seau came out as a junior and skipped his senior year.  Not to sit
        out but to play.
    
    All of that, coupled with the fact that Bethard's not a con artist and
    pretty much means what he says, signalled a good deal for Seau.  He
    badly wants to play and now he gets to play for a good defense.
    
    FYI, the Charger D has 5 #1 picks on it:  Billy Ray Smith, Gill Byrd,
    Leslie O'Neal, Burt Grossman and now Junior Seau.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    That front 7 has to be one of the tops in the league, if not the
    best.  Seau should only make it stronger.
    
    Joe

    The Chargers beat the 49ers tonight 29-28 in a pretty hard fought
    battle.  Here's a quick rundown of the game.
    
    1st Quarter:
    	49ers received kickoff and had to punt.
    	Tolliver to A.Miller on what looked to be about a 35 yard TD pass. 
    			San Diego 7, 49ers 0
    	Montana hit Rice on a BEAUTIFUL post pattern.
    			San Diego 7, 49ers 7
    
    2nd Quarter:
    	Montana hit Rice deep in the endzone.
    			San Diego 7, 49ers 14
    	Chargers made a short (<20 yards) FG.
    			San Diego 10, 49ers 14
    	49ers have to punt.  Snap is over punters head.  He recovers the
    		ball and ran it out the back of the endzone.  Safety.
    			San Diego 12, 49ers 14
    	Chargers made 35 yard FG.
    			San Diego 15, 49ers 14
    
    3rd Quarter:
    	Vlasic new Charger QB, Montana played thru the 3rd Quarter.
    	Vlasic hit 4 yard TD pass to Derrick Walker, TE.
    			San Diego 22, 49ers 14
    	Chargers come with all out blitz, Montana threw ball up for grabs,
    		Chargers intercept on own 1 yard line.
    
    4th Quarter:
    	Friesz new Charger QB, Young new 49er QB.
    	Tillman 1 yd TD dive
    	              	San Diego 22, 49ers 21
    	Sanders 1 yd TD dive
    			San Diego 29, 49ers 21
    	35 seconds left on 3rd & goal, Steve Young QB sneak for TD.
    		Final Score:: San Diego 29, 49ers 28
    
    Junior Seau did not play.  I don't think he even suited up.  Leslie
    O'Neal looked good.  There were 2 or 3 missed FG attempts also, on both
    sides.
    
    Chargers 3-0 in Preseason.  Next Saturday, the Raiders.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    Chargers traded a 9th round draft pick to the Cardinals for some
    offensive lineman who's name I cannot remember.  It was something ski.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    
    Raiders against the Chargers Saturday. Should be a defensive battle
    as both teams have good defenses but need some help offensively.
    I think the Raiders have the edge though, because their offense
    is a little better and their special teams rule. Should be a good
    game either way.
    
    Carlos

    The Chargers, thus far this preseason, have scored 28, 30 
    and 29 points against Dallas, Rams, and 49ers respectively.  I 
    would say that's a pretty good offensive showing, albeit in 
    preseason.
    
    Defensive battle?  I not so sure.
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

    >The Chargers, thus far this preseason, have scored 28, 30
    >and 29 points against Dallas, Rams, and 49'ers respectively.
    
    Don't count on them doing so well against the Raiders as they have
    allowed 17, 13, 16, and 3 points, against the Saints, 49'ers, 
    Cowboys, and Bears dis-respectively. The reason I think it's going
    to be a defensive battle is because they usually are between these
    two teams, last time they played the final score was 14-12 San Diego,
    Which is a typical score each time they play. I also have confidence 
    that the Raiders 'D' can shut down the Chargers offense but the
    Chargers also have an excellent defense which leads me to my
    'concusion'.
    
    Carlos  

    It may be a "humdinger"!
    
    Glenn

    Chargers got steamed by Raiders on Saturday afternoon.  The score, if
    memory serves, was 34-7, and the Raiders looked great.  They ran the
    ball all through the #1 defense and gained over 500 yards total
    offense.  Dan Fouts, the color man for the announcement team, said it
    looked as though the Chargers were moving in slow motion.  It almost
    looked like a scrimmage.  Anyway, the Raiders looked great, and just
    beat the snot out of the Chargers.  My only hope, is that this beating
    will propel them into a new level on intensity for the first regular
    season game of the year in Dallas.
    
    Glenn

    I forgot to mention that in his 2nd play from scrimmage, Junior Seau
    got ejected from the game for unneccesary roughness against the
    Raiders.  Kinda funny.
    
    Yesterday the Chargers cut a group of folks, with the most notable
    being Thomas Sanders, Darren Nelson and Tim Spencer, all running backs. 
    I'm may be missing something, but that leaves them with Marion Butts,
    Rod Bernstine and Ronnie Harmon.  It's a good trio, but where's the
    depth.  
    
    The Chargers claimed Anthony Shelton, DB, off waivers.  Anyone know
    anything about this guy?
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

    
    >They ran the ball all through the #1 defense and ......
    
    Huh?  Since when does San Diego have the #1 defense, or did you
    mean 1st string? 
    S.D. is gonna have their hands full this weekend with the Cowpokes,
    especially if Emmitt, and Alonzo can contribute (they may not even
    play since they both just joined the team). I seen a couple of the
    Cowboy's pre-season games and I don't think they're going to roll 
    over and play dead as easily as they did last year. Heck, they might
    even go 8-8.
    
    Carlos

    
    The Cowboys still need an OL.  If Herschel couldn't shine lasted yerar,
    what makes you think Highsmith or Smith will?  Cowboys will be happy to
    win 4.
    
    Bruce

    Carlos - I meant that they ran through the Chargers #1 defense, in
    other words first string.
    
    Glenn

    Well, I guess it's time for me to put up regarding the AFC West final
    standings for this year.  After considerable analysis, I have decided
    the following:
    
    
    	FINAL AFC WEST STANDINGS 1990-91	
        ********************************
    
    	1.  Denver, 	12-4	I expect Denver to win the AFC West with a
    				record of 12-4 or 13-3, thereabouts.  
    	2.  San Diego,	10-6	SD will surprise all the theoretical
    				experts.  Their D is very strong and the O
    				will come together through the season.
    	3.  Kansas City  9-7    It's a battle w/SD.  These two teams are
    				VERY similar.  KC has no QB!
    	4.  Raiders	 7-9    Not as strong as they look in PreSeason.
    				But they could pull it ALL together and
    				move into #2 spot.
    	5.  Seattle	 4-12   A bad team.  Where's the O, where's the D?
    
    There you have it.  Accept it as gospel, and know that, in your heart,
    I am right.  No hype here.  It's just fact!
    
    Live from Charger Central......Glenn
    		

    
    glenn..  12-4  for denver....haaaaaaaaaa
    

    Well Dins, don't just blow smoke.  Put your analysis in here for the
    entire conference to read!
    
    Glenn

    Yeah dInz, just let it flow!
    
    Hawk

    raiders   10-6
    denver    10-6
    
    k.c       9-7
    
    diego     8-8
    
    seattle   5-11
    
    its flowing
    
    dinz
    

    
    That's close Dinzy, pretty close to the way I see it also.
    
    Raiders  10-6      If this were a horse race I'd box 'em. To be
    Broncos  10-6      sure, these two teams will come in 1st and 2nd.
    
    Chiefs    8-8      I don't think the Chiefs are all that everybodies
                       cracking them up to be ..... just yet. I mean
                       there's no secret to their success, if you stop
                       Okoye you stop the Chiefs.
    
    Chargers  8-8      They're improving, they've got a good defense,
                       but their offense needs help. The front office
                       changes will help, but those results are still
                       down the road.
    
    Seahawks  4-12     The only bright spot about their season is gonna
                       be their position in next years draft.
                       
                                                          
    Carlos

    
    Denver       13-3     The Broncos had some young players last year that 
                          will be better this year, and the offense should 
                          be scoring a lot of points.
    
    Kansas City   9-7     The Chiefs really aren't close to competing for
                          the AFC Championship, but their defense will keep
                          them in most games.  Will challenge for a
                          wild-card spot.
    
    Los Angeles   9-7     The Raiders have some real talent on offense at
                          the skill positions-except the most important
                          one, quarterback.  They seem to have a reborn
                          attitude with Shell at the helm.  Should get a
                          wild-spot.
     San Diego    7-9     One of the league's top defenses, but on offense
                          there's not much after Anthony Miller.  With a
                          few breaks here and there, they could also
                          challenge for a wild-card spot.
    
    Seattle      4-12     This is a bad team.  Krieg's heydays are over,
                          and the defense is one of the league's worst.
    
    
    Joe   

    i am willing to wager that denver wont win 13  or even 12..
    
    dinz
    

 i am willing to wager that denver wont win 13  or even 12..
    
    dinz
    

That's because you have Humphrey on your FFL team. 

    
    oooh nice shot jeff, i hope  for at least a touchdown a game
    
    fromm bobby  h..
    
    
    dinz
    

    Well I hand it to the Cowboys.  They beat the Chargers 17-14.
    
    Some interesting coaching blunders on the part of the Chargers:
    
    1.  They decided to start Mark Vlasic and not Billy Joe Tolliver.
        Vlasic is good, but not an emotional leader.
    
    2.  With 5 minutes left in the game, Chargers leading 14-10, 4th down
    	and about 7, Chargers ready to punt, they snapped the ball to the
    	up back (a linebacker) who tried to run for the 1st down, and
    	didn't make it.  Cowboys took over at mid-field.
    
    3.  On the last series of downs for the Chargers with less than 1
    	minute left in the game, deep in their own zone (about the 15)
    	the coaches decided to put Tolliver into the game.  Gimme a break.
    	They guy is cold as ice and the Dallas D was already smelling
    	victory.
    
    Additional note:  Fuad Reveiz missed a 31 yard FG.
    Congratulations to the Cowboys!
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    Glenn, I appreciate the fact that you are a gracious loser.  How did
    Seau do BTW ?
    
    Good luck the rest of the way,
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

    Well, in typical Seau fashion, he did get flagged for unnecessary
    roughness again.  That's 2 games and 2 flags.  Overall, he was pretty
    visible over the field.
    
    The pass play from Aikman to ??? for the first 7 points was REALLY a
    thing of beauty.  The pass had some loft to it, Vencie Glenn and Gill
    Byrd both went way up, hands outstretched, and JUST missed the ball, it
    dropped in for 7.  Really nice!  Reminded me of FOUTS to JJ.
    
    Glenn

    I think it was McKinnon who caught the TD from Aikman.
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

    Of course Glen is a good loser. He gets lotsa practice rooting for da
    CHargers. 

    Hey Jesse, since I see no :-) or anything else, I assume you're not
    kidding.  I think you're a jerk Jesse!
    
    Glenn

    Lighten up Glen, he is your smiley 8^)
    
    
    p.s I could care less what you think.

>    Lighten up Glen, he is your smiley 8^)
     
>    p.s I could care less what you think.
    
    
    Jesse, you're so stupid!  It's "I COULDN'T care less."  By saying I could
    care less, you're saying you care alot, and while that may be true, I
    don't believe that's what you're trying to convey.  Your grasp on the
    English language is evidently equivalent to your IQ, both of which are
    in the dirt.
    
    Glenn

     >> both of which are in the dirt.
    
    
    Kinda like the Chargers, record of late. 
    
    
    Gee Glen, didja wake up on da wrong side of the bed or are you still
    mad about the Cowboys creaming your hapless Chargers. Next up is 
    Cincinnati, and you are skeert. I can understand your feelings. You had a 
    once great passing attack and the team was winning and everything was 
    happy. Now you got zip. Must be really frustrating for you, so I will 
    ignore your comments. 
    
    
    Have a nice day.

    
    > Kinda like the Chargers, record of late. 
    
    What is "Kinda like the Chargers, record of late." supposed to mean?  
    I assume you messed up the English language AGAIN and meant to use the
    word Chargers as a possessive adjective.
      
    Well Jesse, you would type it, "Kinda like the Chargers' record of late."
    In other words, it's an APOSTROPHE...NOT A COMMA!!
    
    And don't ignore my comments Jesse, take them to heart.
    
    Glenn

    (FWIW)
    Seems like I just went through some 'personal' bashing with some
    other noters in my home topic (Raiders), that started to violate
    this conference and more importantly, corporate policies. In 
    retrospect, I think that it's best to just stick to team bashing.
    That way, I can say the Donks orally vacuum immense quantities (tm),
    and likewise a Donk fanatic can try (however unsuccessfully) to
    be-little the Raiders. And we can both go home with smiles on our
    faces. :-)
    
    Carlos

    Alright, Carlos!  :*)
    
    Lee

    
    "Orally vacuum immense quantities" is as poetic a phrase as one
    will ever find in here.  The 'tm' is definitely warranted, and does
    sound so much better than "sucks big-time".
                                                         
    Dickster
    

Carlos --

You're being too kind and gentle.  Take some steroids dude, watch
some USMC training films, get aggressive.

This is SPORTS.  We bash everyone and every thing from Worn Moon(tm0
to that sport that isn't a sport that we can't talk about because
of Lufay ;^), so personally, I'm getting some wick jollies here
watching Glenn and Jesse beat each other up.

I figured out that if we got rid of this namby pamby valuing stuff,
we'd save the company $25 million dollars, which means we'd get
back out bottled water, and get to use 7 sheets of toilet paper
per baffroom usages instead of the corporately mandated 3.....


And finally, append about a million of these things 8^) to this,
because I'm in a good mood and felt like kidding ya!

Everybody be happy.
'Saw

PS  Jesse and Glenn, save it for the Iraqis, okay ;^)

    Gentlemen;
    
    This particular note was going along just fine.  The Dallas fans and I
    get along, and I've even taped the game and mailed it off to another
    Dallas fan.  
    
    Jesse decided to jump in with an unwarranted attack on me personally
    that I didn't find especially helpful and if one wants to engage in 
    "verbal volleyball" or "mental gymnastics" I'm always happy to oblige.
    Everyone in this conference knows I am not subject to rash comments, and
    mindless "my team's better than yours" conversations.  I pretty much
    state the facts, enjoy the football competition and provide summaries
    for those wanting to read them.  But if some jerk wants to engage me,
    then let's go...."Touch Not The Cat, Bot The Glove!" is the motto of
    clan McIntosh.
    
    On a football note, the Chargers will start Billy Joe Tolliver this
    week and will bench Mark Vlasic.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn
    

    
    Yo Saw, Carlos and everyone else who doesn't NEXT UNSEEN the Charger
    topic.
    
    There was no personal attack. Why even waste the disk space on S.D.
    I figger'ed Glen would take the good loser reply in stride. I mean
    the Chargers have been doing it for quite a while. Perhaps I did forget
    the smiley but that was hardly worth all the effort Glen put in to try
    and make me sorry I was ever birthded. Since he didn't suckseed, he had
    to make a personal attack, calling me a jerk and nit picking  typos. Glen, 
    we applaud your efforts but it was time you could have better spent 
    telling us about whatever the hell is going on at Charger Central and 
    how the hapless Chargers will deal wif Boomer dis week. SO either drop
    it or waste time being a teacher and correcting the typos. 
    
    
    Schlep da shot
    
    
    
    

Hey, guys... chill... (gee, is that term still in vogue?)  8^)

Anyway, we're all on the same team here, and we're all going the same
way, right?

So, what is SD going to do to beat Boomer (give name NORMAN???) thised
weekend????

Schlep me...
   'Saw

    Wow, actual real-live SPORTS fisticuffs *without* MrT ...
    
    This is truly the dawning of a new day here in OURGNG.
    
    Bob Hunt

    Bob I is roooooollinngg!!!

    > There was no personal attack. 
    
    There was a personal attack.  Everyone can read note 224 themselves and
    decide.  You weren't even involved in the conversation going on at the
    time.
    
    > Why even waste the disk space on S.D.
    
    That's right Jesse, so get out.  Your juvenile comments aren't worth
    the space their consuming.  In fact, why are you in here even now?
    Why would you "waste your time" reading this particular note?  Just hit
    next unseen.
    
    > I figger'ed Glen would take the good loser reply in stride. 
    Perhaps I did forget the smiley but 
    
    BINGO!  One of the cautions of notes file communication is to remember
    the very fact that you, unsurprisingly, forgot.
    
    
    Glenn

    Attn Dr. 00:00,
    
    FYI, the Chargers are now using Courtney Hall as left offensive guard.  
    
    Glenn
    
    
    

    re .242:
    
    >	the Chargers are now using Courtney Hall as left offensive guard.  
        
    Then who's playing center?
    
    
    py 

    The Chargers found that Courtney Hall was such a good athlete that he
    was able to play other parts on the offensive line.  They drafted a
    kid named Frank Cornish from UCLA, who is a pretty good center, so they
    put him at center and moved Courtney to LOG.  Now they have 2 slots
    solidly filled instead of 1.   
    
    The O-Line now looks like this:
    
    	X		X		X		X		X
    Erik Floyd-R   Courtney Hall      Frank	Dave Richards      Broderick
    				     Cornish                       Thompson
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    It took them 2 years to figure out that Courtney was a good athlete ?
    
    Geez, how can I get a job in an NFL front office ???
    
    Doc

    Chargers have re-signed all-purpose RB Darrin Nelson. 
    Cincinnati may try the to counteract Chargers' pressure-style defense
    by using the no-huddle offense.
    
    Live from Charger Central (via USA Today this morning)....Glenn

    Glenn,
    
         I saw Chris Bahr listed somewhere as being the Chargers' kicker, 
    though Reveiz kicked the point after Butts' touchdown last week.  Any
    idea what's going on with San Diego's kicking game?
    
         Thx... glen

    Chris Bahr kicked for the Chargers last year.  This year they had Fuad
    Reveiz and ??? in preseason kicking FG's.  Fuad beat out the other guy.  
    
    Joe Kidd is the punter.
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

    The Chargers lost again in the 4th quarter, this time to the Bengals. 
    I have a possession by possession game summary but spaced bringing it
    in with me this morning.  I'll have it for you Bengal fans tomorrow.
    Final score 21-16.
    
    Butts had 103 yards rushing for you FFLers.   Eddie Brown had 10
    catches, Anthony Miller had 8, I believe.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    Chargers received opening kickoff.  Ronnie Harmon 36 yd TD.
    Score Cin 0, SD 7
    Cin punt
    SD punt
    Esiason intercepted by Billy Ray Smith at 20 yd line.
    Caravello 17 yd TD pass.  PAT blocked.
    Cin 0, SD 13
    Cin punt
    SD punt
    	2nd Quarter
    Cin punt
    Anthony Miller fumbled ball....Cin recovered.
    Boomer to Brooks 10 yd TD pass.
    Cin 7, SD 13
    SD punt
    Boomer intercepted by Vencie Glenn at midfield.  
    19 yd FG
    Cin 7, SD 16
    Boomer to Brown TD pass. 
    Cin 14, SD 16
    SD missed 44 yd FG just before halftime.
    	3rd Quarter
    Cin punt
    SD punt
    Boomer intercepted by Gill Byrd at SD 20 yd line.
    Tolliver intercepted by Billups at Cin 2 yd line.
    Boomer to Brown 23 yd TD pass.
    Cin 21, SD 16
    SD punt 
    Cin punt (9:36)
    SD punt (5:42)
    Cin punt (4:15)
    Tolliver to Anthony Miller for 30 yds over the middle, Miller hit,
    fumbled the ball, Billups recovered. (2:47)
    Cin run out clock.
    Final Score ...Cin 21, SD 16

    Billy Ray Smith suffered a stomach muscle pull and will be sidelied for
    at least a month.
    
    Dan Henning also told placekicker Fuad Reveiz that he will be cut
    unless his accuracy improves soon.
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

    Chargers beat the Browns 24-14, but I forgot to take notes, so I don't
    have any game summary.  Sorry folks!
    
    Glenn

    Well, the latest odds I've seen shows the Chargers favored over the
    Oilers by 2 or 3 or something like that.  But I don't know why.
    
    The Oilers are the #1 offense and #1 defense in the AFC.  Hill is the
    leading receiver in the NFL.  So why are the Chargers favored?  I don't
    know.
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

    Charger nose tackle, Joe Phillips is in the intensive care unit of a
    San Diego hospital after being beaten by 3 men outside a bar on
    Wednesday night.  He sustained a skull fracture, broken bones, etc.
    
    Joe is a great nose tackle although never really noticed within the
    NFL.  He really does a superb job at a thankless position.
    
    I wish him well.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    Glenn,
    
    I'm actually in San Diego right now on an assignment and the papers are
    all over this story.
    
    Apparently, Phillips was assaulted outside a Mission Beach restaurant
    at about 1:00am on Wednesday.  He had left the restaurant with his
    dinner companion, a woman who was not his wife.
    
    It appears to be pre-meditated since the three white assailants pulled
    up in a car just as Phillips left the place, attacked him, and then
    drove off.  They also smashed up Phillips' car pretty bad.
    
    Phillips has a fractured skull, nose and eye socket.  He also has
    broken ribs and a concussion.  He's got surgery scheduled for today and
    is in intensive care right now.
    
    One of the attackers was wearing steel-toed boots.  The police have
    witnesses and descriptions but no suspects.  No motives have been
    established but robbery has been ruled out since they didn't take
    anything from Phillips.
    
    *Really* live from Charger Central ...
    
    Bob Hunt

    How did he fair on his blood alcohol test? Leaving a bar at night!
    The shame of it all!  This could be an infraction of the NFL 
    substance abuse program. He could be considered a disgrace as
    a role model to children everywhere. Yes? No?  I believe no.
    
    BoB 

    It was a restaurant, not strictly a bar.  Alcohol hasn't been
    mentioned.
    
    Bob Hunt

    
    I hope the guys alright and can still see and have his right
    senses back. It sounds like he was set up. It's to bad it
    happened.
    
    
    " THE DREWSKI "
    
    

    I read in the paper that they 3 guys who did it are "scared to death"
    because they didn't know who they were assaulting and are expected to
    turn themselves in today or tomorrow.  Unbelievable.
    
    Bob, I guess you really are Live from Charger Central.  That's great!
    
    Glenn

    Since I was at StarCon '90 in Denver all weekend I missed the game
    entirely.  I have no game summary.
    
    It does like what I expected though.  How could the Chargers' have been
    favored?  I dunno.
    
    Glenn

    The Charger cut Fuad Reveiz after going 0 for 2 in FG's during Sunday's
    loss to the Oilers.  John Carney, the other kicker the Chargers had in
    training camp, is expected to fill in.
    
    This week the Chargers are at Pittsburg.  Something has to give.
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

>BSS::G_MCINTOSH "Vom Hochland German Shepherds"       7 lines   3-OCT-1990 10:00
>    This week the Chargers are at Pittsburg.  Something has to give.
    
    Glenn,
      90% of the people in here drop the final 'H' in Pittsburgh
    on purpose in order to annoy the Pittsburgh natives and 
    expatriates in here.  And it really frosts our shorts. 
    
      But I have confidence that you're not doing it for that 
    reason...so, just for your information, the preferred forms
    are (in order):
    "Pittsburgh, #1 most livable city in America"
    "Pittsburgh, home of North America's most celebrated athlete,
                the magnificent Mario Lemieux"
    "Pittsburgh"
    "PittsburgH"
    
    :-) :-) :-)
    Hope this helps,
    Charlie
    

    Thanks Charlie for the correction.  You're right, I don't do that on
    purpose.  In fact, I don't recall ever leaving the h off before.  On
    the 1990 Charger schedule I made, I have Pittsburgh with an h on it, so
    I know better.  Must've just been a slip.  Besides, my wife's from PA
    (Allentown area) and is a huge Steeler fan for many years.  She also
    would have slapped me for this error.  
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn
    
    

    Glenn,
    
    you left the S off of Steelers...and Chargers for that matter. ;-)
    
    FWIW.
    
    	--dan'l

    >Besides, my wife's from PA
    >(Allentown area) and is a huge Steeler fan for many years.  She also
    >would have slapped me for this error.  
    
    Glenn, I've seen your wife Deb, and she's not huge :^)  The Steeler fan
part, I wouldn't know about.

	Jim-the_huge_Giants_fan 
    

    You guys are just too funny.  Quit! :-)
    
    Glenn

    Well the Chargers bit the dust against the Steelers this weekend and it
    really brought forth the problem for the Chargers and that's that they
    have no offensive innovation.  It appears the Chargers have 2 offensive
    plays:
    		1.  Hand the ball off (Butts, Bernstine)
    		2.  Go deep to Anthony Miller.
    
    That's it!  Screen play?  What's that?  Hit Darrin Nelson in the flat?
    Never heard of it!  Buttonhooks?  Down and In?  Down and Out?  Hit the
    TE 3 yards over the line for a quick 7 yards?  FORGET IT!!  The ghosts
    of offenses past (Hadl to Alworth, Fouts to Winslow) are rolling over
    in their graves.  
    
    With no offense, the defense was on the field alot and just lost it. 
    Can't blame the defense though.
    
    Congratulations to the Steelers and their fans.  I'd like to hear how
    some of the Steeler fans interpreted the game.
    
    Look for Spanos to release Dan Henning shortly.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    OK, Gleen, here goes:
    
    I thought the Chargers had a very good ground attack but when the
    Steelers went up by all those points, San Diego had to abandon it.  I
    really thought San Diego was taking a big chance going for that 4th
    down conversion in the middle of the third quarter.  They got lucky
    when the Steelers fumbled in the end zone.  Carnell Lake made a boob
    move by intercepting the 4th down pass on the 2 yardline rather than
    just knocking it down.
    
    San Diego's defense played pretty well, especially Seau.  I think the
    bottom line was that the Steelers were ready to score a TD and once
    Hoge and Worley were given the ball for a change, look what happens. 
    The Chargers were beaten by Pittsburgh's desire to establish the
    offense finally.
    
    Pittsburgh's passing game still didn't look clean.  Except for the
    Brister audible for the long pass to Stone, there were still no big
    passing plays.  It was good to see Lipps get back into the action.
    
    I don't think the Chargers offense is as bad as you think. 
    Pittsburgh's defense is a good one that just didn't give up much.
    
    	--dan'l

    Dan would you agree that the Charger D wore down after being on the
    field forever?
    
    And I agree that the Chargers gave up on the running game much too
    soon.
    
    Glenn

    Yes, I would agree the Sand Diego defense wore down, espcecially in
    light of the fact that Strom was guiding the Steelers.  The Chargers
    had a chance to come back after the fumble recovery in the endzone, but
    the defense let Pittsburgh run all over them.  
    
    The blocked punt for a safety was the killer, though, in my opinion.
    
    	--dan'l

    Well I'm pretty pleased with the Chargers performance in the win over
    the Jets.  
    
    They stayed with the run, threw the ball short to medium most of 
    the time and actually DID throw a screen pass AND to the back in 
    the flat.  Both of those went for 10+ yards for first downs.  
    
    It was a good game for the Chargers and MAY indicate a "return to
    basics" attitude, which is good.  How the Chargers perform next week
    against the division leaders, Raiders, will tell ALOT more.
    
    Live from Charger Central......Glenn

    Congrats on the Chargers win Glenn, they play the Raiders this weekend,
    and I think they are very capable of winning the Raiders as
    inter-divisional games are usually close ones, but..... they won't. :-)
    Raiders by +10 !!   
    
    Carlos

    You may be right Carlos, but then again, maybe not.
    
    The two teams are pretty close in AFC team offense and defense stats,
    but that's not always a telling sign.  The Chargers sure ran well
    against the Jets.  The Raiders always run well against anyone.  We'll
    see, but by 10??  I dunno.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    Raiders -  24
    Chargers -  9

    Yep the Raiders did it.  It was REAL easy to see the difference.  The
    Raiders moved down field and got TDs.  The Chargers moved down field
    and got FGs.  That was the whole difference.  4 times the Chargers were
    inside the 20 (that I can remember) and they came away with 9 points.
    Pretty sad offensive display by the Chargers.   Playcalling was also
    VERY predictable.  There's no creativity offensively for the Chargers.
    Ouch!
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

    RE -1
    I was kind of wondering what the difference was after reading the box
    and seeing the Raiders really didn't dominate the stats.  Yardage was
    even and turnovers didn't appear to be a factor.  I saw some lowlights
    of the game, and who let all those Faider fans into Jack Murphy?  Didn't
    look good.
    
    Joe

    Well the "Jekyll & Hyde" Chargers showed up against the Bucs and pretty
    much destroyed them 41-10.  
    
    No real comments.....they scored the first 4 times they touched the
    ball.  Defense looked good, and the offense had very LONG,
    time-consuming drives.  
    
    I guess this "Jekyll & Hyde" transformation is indicative of a young 
    team, but it's sure frustrating for fans since we never know which team
    will show up.
    
    Next week....Seattle in Seattle.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    Chargers have the best 1-2 running attack in the NFL.  Marion Butts
    (654) and Rod Bernstine (332) have combined for 986 yards.
    
    Chargers are +4 in turnover ratio.  They're 9th in AFC offense, 1st in
    rushing offense and 13th in passing offense.  They're 5th in AFC total
    defense, 4th against the rush and 8th against the pass.  
    
    FYI
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn
    

    
    ...and last in the AFC West.
    

    While it's true that they are currently last in the AFC West, I believe
    there is a pretty solid foundation that they're working on.  I've heard
    a number of times that the Chargers, while they're an AFC team, desire
    to have an NFC mentality which equates to being a hard driving running
    team primarily with intermittent passes at opportune times.  Slowly
    this transformation is occuring.  They've played well the last 3 games,
    although they have lost 1 of those.  A change is occuring on the inside
    and that may be promising.  
    
    By the way, thanks for that helpful comment :-) ~/~
    
    Glenn

    
    USA Today reports "After a terrible 1989, the CHARGERS' special teams
    are vastly improved - No.3 in the NFL in kickoff coverage (15.6 yard
    avg), No.2 in kickoff returns (21.6) and tied for No.2 in punt coverage
    (5.3)."
    
    Dan'l, I'm tellin' ya that there are changes amidst the interior of the
    organization that aren't YET reflected in the won-lost column.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn 

    Oh, I agree whole-heartedly.  Look at my notes the day after the draft. 
    I hyped the Chargers and the Jets.  I see nothing but goodness in years
    to come for both teams.  I was just diggin' at ya for giving all those
    rankings except the most important one.
    
    Later.
    
    	--dan'l

    This week's San Diego at Seattle matchup should be a good one. 
    The Chargers seem to be warm (not hot) or cold. The Hawks
    appear to be a much better team this season than most (including me)
    gave them credit for. The outcome should be a realistic measure of
    where exactly each of these 2 teams stand. 
    
    BoB

Bobby Bethard is building a monster in SD.

Should be a good game this week vs. the Hawks. I'm looking for Kreig to 
exploit the SD secondary but Sd should have no real problems running the 
ball vs. the Hawks. I don't expect Fenner to be able to do much against the SD
linebackers.

The big problem the Hawks are having is that Brian Blades has not stepped 
forward and become the pass threat he was supposed to. SKansi has been taking
a lot of the inside routes but Blades has not been effective deep.

How has the SD defense been lately Glen ?


Metz

    The defense has been playing well.  Byrd leads in intercepts with 5, 
    Grossman (8 sacks) and O'Neal (5.5 sacks) are doing well in the 
    sack department.  The entire Charger D has 25 sacks thus far. 
    There's speculation that next year Seau will play outside because 
    he's so much more dominating outside.  I don't understand why he didn't
    play outside this year anyway.  Billy Ray has played inside before, in
    fact his first 3 or 4 years with the Chargers were as ILB.  Currently
    Charger LB's look like this:
    
    	X		X		X		X
    BR Smith	     Seau	     Plummer	     L O'Neal
    
    but it should be:
    
    	X		X		X		X
      Seau 	    BR Smith	     Plummer	     L O'Neal
    
    Chargers have 7th overall defense in the league.
    
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

    Yo!  They're not last anymore.  Now they're 3rd in the AFC West.
    The transformation is occurring.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn
    
================================================================================
> Note 63.281            The Official SAN DIEGO CHARGER Note          281 of 287
> SHALOT::MEDVID "Dump Jesse Helms"                   3 lines  31-OCT-1990 12:36
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    
>    ...and last in the AFC West.
    

    ...and in good position to pick up that third wild card.
    
    Congrats!
    
    	--dan'l

    What does 
    
    	-< Once again, you forgot to finish your not, Glenn >-
    
    mean?  I don't get it.
    
    Chargers played well against the Seahawks.  Had Tolliver been on
    target, however, the score would have really swelled.
    
    Chargers have played very well in their last 4 ballgames against the
    Jets, Raiders, TB and now Seahawks.  Offense has been run oriented with
    pretty long time-cosuming drives.  Defense has applied the pressure. 
    They've come a long way since the season began.  D now leads the league
    with 29 sacks.  
    
    Next week....Broncos in Chargerville.
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

    It's a compliment, Glenn.  And if you don't start recognizing them,
    I'll never do it again.
    
    Last week you laid out all these stats but I had to finish your note by
    saying: "...and last in the AFC West."  This year you did the same
    thing.  You laid out all these figures but I had to finish your note by
    saying: "...and in a good position for the wild card spot."
    
    It's Monday.  I'll forgive ya for being a little slow.
    
    	--dan'l

    I get it Dan'l....it should have said:
    
       -< Once again, you forgot to finish your note, Glenn >-
    
    I couldn't figure out what "you forgot to finish your not" meant.
    I with ya!  I quick!  You bet!  I always take compliments!
    
    I will endeavor to properly complete my notes from this spot forward.
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

Chargers looked mighty good against the SeaChickens Glen. Is Tolliver always
that erratic or was this just a bad game for him? Namath in the announcing
booth was getting on his case all game. I agree that he has a cannon for an
arm but his accuracy was way off on a lot of passes this game.

If the chargers go against a defense that is stacked against the run they
could have a tough game. Is the Pickle (vlasic) any good at QB?

Butts and Berstein both looked good but the chargers should avoid running
Ronnie Harmon up the middle. He could get squashed in there. Keep him for 
catching out of the backfield and running sweeps.

Chrager defense looked awsome. Seau,O'Neal and Grossman totally dominated the
line of scrimmage. Kreig was hurried all day and once again Brian Blades was
nowhere to be found.

Good game for the Chargers......


  Metz

    Metz - 
    
    Are you in the NorthWest?  How is it you got to see the game?
    
    Glenn

The Kingdome sells out for almost every SeaChicken Game. People here are rabid
Hawks fans so we get the "privelege" of seeing them on TV everytime they are
at home.

Todays Times headline reads...."Down they go..seahawks in cellar"

I was couch bound with a severly sprained ankle this weekend so I was forced
to watch all the games while my wife went shopping. :-)

Metz

 	> Is Tolliver always that erratic or was this just a bad 
    	> game for him?  Namath in the announcing booth was getting 
    	> on his case all game. I agree that he has a cannon for an
	> arm but his accuracy was way off on a lot of passes this game.

    So far this year Tolliver's accuracy has been poor.  But he's a streaky
    type of player, hot for a half, cold for a half, etc.  So far this year
    however, he's been cold.  It appears that he missed more than usual
    this game, however.
    
	> If the chargers go against a defense that is stacked against 
    	> the run they could have a tough game. 
    
    Yep!  You're right!
    
    	> Is the Pickle (vlasic) any good at QB?
    
    He's solid.  A Mark Herrman type.  Accurate thrower, not real deep,
    more cerebral than brawn.
    

    I didn't know you were in the NW.  
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

I just moved here a little while ago Glen. Just check out the node name the 
last 3 letters are not for the type of t-shirts contests we run :-)

Chargers could use Dan Fouts about now....

Metz

Metz...

Do you actually LIVE in Bellevue?

If so:

	a) do you drive a Volvo?

	b) do you sip Perrier and eat Brie?
	
	c) do you wear velour shorts?

	d) are your neighbor's name Chip or Muffy?


If you answer yes to any three of the above questions, I guess
we can call your our Northwest answer to Mark Lufay.....

8^)

'Saw

    
    Mark Lufay drives a Volvo...

    I drive a Nissan 4 x 4.
    
    I've had a deer on the hood.
    
    I drink Bud bar bottles.
    
    I chew Red Man.
    
    I watch hockey.
    
    And I know for a fact that Groaner slaps the bishop.
    
    Mark.
    
    

Saw,

temporarily in Bellevue,,,Just bought a house in Kirkland...We should be moving
in before Thanksgiving with any luck...

In response to your questions...

No,no,no,and our upstairs neighbors are probably named Xavier and Stud. They
have the absolute loudest - ahem - experiences that I've ever heard. If they
aren't making a porno movie upstairs then they are practicing to make them.
Chatting with the maintenance men today at lunch they mentioned that they
can hear them clear across the complex even over the  5 horsepower gas powered 
leaf blowers with ear protection on.

I ain't no Lefay but I ain't no bambi killer either.....

   

   Metz

Okay Metz, that's cool.

As to the upstairs neighbors, I'd suggest getting a real good
tape recorder, and then sending copies of the tapes to all
your sports noter friends 8^)


Lufay, you weenie, we know you are a closet yuppie.  All those
manly things you do are just camoflage! 8^) 8^)

But hey, anyone that chews RedMan is definitely a friend of
mine....


'Saw

    'Saw, you'd be surprised at how many sports noters are closet
    yuppies/preppies, wearing 100% cotton dockers and Harvard Law 
    School type wire rim preppie spectacles, and driving volvo/saab
    mobiles.......  :-)
    
    I can tell you for sure that Mike Childs does not fit the above
    description.  :-)
    
    Hawk

    Hey us hispanics got an ethnic version of preppies, with some slight
    changes:
                 Instead of:             We use:
                -------------           -----------
             100% cotton dockers,     100% cotton khakis,
          Wire rim type spectacles,   Plastic type 'Mad-dogs',
             volvo/saab mobiles,      lowrider/chevy mobiles,
             Argile(sp?) socks and    Atletic socks and 'winos',
             boat shoes,              (black slippers)
    
    But the biggest difference is we call them 'homies' instead of
    'yuppies'.  :-)
    
                    
    Carlos

Hey vato!   

You got me rollin' with that one dude!  Bigtime...

Too cool.

'Saw

    Chargers played solid football again and beat the Broncos 19-7.  A
    problem that I see here is that they got 4 FG's and then 1 TD.  They
    HAVE to start getting the TD's when in the red zone.  In this game, in
    my opinion, the Chargers could have had 3 TD's and 2 FG's...27-7.  
    
    Good game next week with the Chargers(5-5) @ Kansas City(5-4).
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    During the introductions at Jack Murphy stadium, the Chargers
    introduced their Special Teams instead of the offense or defense.
    FYI.
    
    Is it my imagination, or is Todd Christiansen (sp) simply the WORST
    football color man on the face of the earth?  The guy has
    diarrhea-mouth.  He just goes on and on ad nauseam!
    
    Early line on SD@KC game is KC by 5.
    
    Live from Charger Central....Glenn

    Glen, I'm surprised you actually listened to that horrible Christensen. 
    You had the rare alternative of catching the Charger game on the radio
    yesterday.  
    
    Extremely disappointed in Denver's showing yesterday, not to take
    anything from the Chargers.  SD is suddenly only 1.5 games behind the
    Faids.  When Denver was down 19-7 but got a first-and-goal inside the
    1, was that sweep on first down possibly the worst choice of a
    play-call ever?  Even so, Denver probably would've needed an onside
    kick anyway.  For the 3rd time this year the Faids lose, but the
    Broncos fail to take advantage and get back into the AFC West race.
    
    Joe 

    Joe, I thought the sweep play was an outstanding choice.  It allowed us
    to break through, sack Ezor (I think it was Ezor) and move it to 2nd &
    goal at about the 5 (I think).  It was a great play to call.  Very
    thoughtful.
    
    Med - You're right about Walsh.  But my gripe with Walsh's
    commentatorship (is that a word?) isn't Walsh, it's his sidekick.  When
    I listen to them I get real tired of hearing about "your 49ers", how
    "you built the 49ers" "what would the 9ers do?"...etc.  That's awful.
    
    Live from Charger Central and looking forward to Butts vs Okoye...Glenn

    No Glen. You may be wrong. Christiansen may not be the worst
    but there are so many bad ones it's hard to pick a top 5 or 10.
    He is in the top 3 for sure. San Diego turns the heat up in the West.
    At KC will be telling. 
    
    BoB
    Who_is_still_a_nonbeliever_at_this_point.

    Marty Schottenheimer said that he's going to play both Christian Okoye
    AND Barry Word in the same backfield against the Chargers.  Interesting
    tactic.  Will it work?
    
    Charger/Chief game is on regular TV here in Colorado Springs this
    Sunday at 11:00 am MST.  FYI.
    
    Charger O has produced 3025 yards, KC's 2742.  Charger D has allowed
    2607 yards, KC's 2630.  Chargers are +9 in takeaway/giveaway ratio.  I
    don't know what the Chiefs are.  
    
    This game loods pretty darn even.  Current line is KC +4.  Comments?
    
    Live from Charger Central..........Glenn

This is a big time battle of the monster AFC lines...

Chargers are on a roll...KC is coming off a tough loss to the SeaHawks and
haven't been racking up the points lately...

Believe it or not I think this one will come down to the QB's. Which ever qb 
can complete enough passes to open up the running game will win. DeBerg 
has been pretty miserable for the last 4 weeks but Tolliver hasn't exactly lit
the world on fire. Both have some decent receivers to throw to but haven't 
used them.

I predict the chargers win on a lte field goal 17-14....

The Okoye/Word backfield won't have any impact unless they can each put their
egos aside and block for each other.....The problem is that neither of them
has ever been asked to block before so I can't see it happening in 1 week.



Metz

    Should be a low scoring game consisting mainly of field goals. Both
    teams have great defenses and running attacks, but could use a little
    help at QB. I don't expect either teams running game to have a great
    day, and I think that this game will be decided by the field goal
    kickers, the special teams, and the team that capitalizes on turnovers.
    The weather could also be a factor. Does anybody know what the forecast
    looks like?? I'll take the Chiefs by 6.
    
    Carlos
    

Whats the deal San Diego has both Bernstine and Butts as questionable ?


FFL owners need to know 

KC by 10. 

Jeff

    Hi Jeff.  Both Bernstine and Butts played.
    
    Chargers got killed by the Chiefs over the weekend and the single most
    telling statement is that the Chiefs stopped the running game cold. 
    Charger passing offense wasn't up to the task, as the interceptions
    show, and the final score was 27-10.  
    
    Next week  KC plays at Raiderville
          and  Seattle plays at SD on Sunday night.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn

    KC's jump to a quick 10-0 lead caught them off gaurd. I didn't 
    have chance to see the rest but it seems the Chargers made a run
    at them then faded.
    
    BoB 

    Just some comments:
    
    1.  Tolliver has to learn to throw off his front foot.  All day long
    	he was throwing off his back foot.  Get the snap, backpeddle,
    	set-up and then throw.  The set-up part didn't occur often, thus
    	high throws all day.
    
    2.  The Chargers need to get rid of Quinn Early.  This receiver is on
    	the other side of Anthony Miller and is so bad that he couldn't
    	catch a cold.
    
    3.  The Chargers need a more imaginative offense at times.  The running
    	game is good, but it's either run or pass to Miller.  There's more
    	to offense than just those two plays.
    
    4.  The Chargers need a #1 rated cornerback at the opposite corner
    	from Gill Byrd to help solidify the defense.
    
    FYI...Live from Charger Central.......Glenn

    Y'know, I'm soooo torqued about this loss that ....
    
    The Chargers knew that the Chiefs beat the Raiders and with a win last
    night they would be 1 game out of 1st place.  I'm not upset with Arthur
    Cox and his 2 fumbles because he's come through sooo many times before,
    but the thing that really burns my shorts is that the Chargers should
    have NEVER been in a situation to lose that game anyway.  They are so
    much better that the Seahawks and should have come out smokin'. 
    Instead they wilted.  I know they're a young team, but it sure is
    frustrating anyway.
    
    Live from Charger Central.......Glenn

    Calm down Glenn, itsa not so bad, you coulda been a Donk fan and
    losta all hope about eight weeks ago....:-) 
    
    Besides, there's always next year.
    
    Carlos  
    

    Or you could be a Faider fan and watch your team continue to choke away
    their once 2-game lead.  Faider boys will make it 4 losses in 5 games
    with a loss at Denver next week.  I bet that's gonna be tough for you
    Carlos to be pulling for the Broncos when they play the Chiefs on Dec.
    9th.  
    
    Joe  

    The "inadvertant whistle" didn't help much either.  Chargers probably
    would have won if that didn't happen.  That burns me and I'm more a
    Seahawks fan than a Chargers fan.
    
    	--dan'l

    That inadvertant whistle was a bad one.  The punt returner never had
    possession of the ball.  You have to feel bad for Cox.  On his fumble
    in OT, you could see him try to put both arms around the ball, but he
    still lost it.  That pick by Tolliver in the 4th was also very costly. 
    The Chargers were on their way to putting the game away with a 7-point
    lead.
    
    Joe

    A sad day for Texas Southern Alumni ... poor Cox, he did his damnest to
    cover the ball the second time, and Glasglow sort of stumbled into the
    ball and 'forced' the fumble .... :-(
    
    DrM - T.S.U. '87

    Chargers beat the Jets 38-17 over the weekend.  Butts ran for 159 yards. 
    Chargers are now 6-7 and have their bye this week, then they play
    @Denver (I have tickets for that game), KC & Raiders.  FYI.
    
    Glenn

    No running backs surpassed Butts for the NFL Rushing Lead this weekend
    while the Chargers were idle.  If my math is correct, the totals are:
    
    		Butts, SD	1154 yds
    		Thomas, Buff	1083 yds
    		Humphrey, Den	1007 yds
    		Anderson, Chi	 910 yds
    		Sanders, Det	 905 yds
    
    Sanders plays tonight, but I don't believe he will rush for 250 yards
    against the Raiders.  He sure has the talent for it though.  We'll see.
    
    Live from Charger Central.......Glenn

    Well I attended the Charger/Bronco game yesterday and had a real good
    time.  The Chargers lost 20-10, but the day was alot of fun.  
    
    After the game I waited outside the Charger lockerroom and got the
    following Chargers to sign their football cards:
    
    	Rod Bernstine
    	Dan Henning
    	Gary Plummer
    	Billy Joe Tolliver
    	Burt Grossman
    	Courtney Hall
    	Billy Ray Smith
    	Marion Butts
    	Vencie Glenn
    	Leslie O'Neal
    	Mark Vlasic
    	Junior Seau
    	Gill Byrd
    	Darrin Nelson
    	David Richards
    	Ronnie Harmon
    	Lee Williams
    	Anthony Miller
    	Charlie Joiner
    
    And I got Bobby Beathard, Ed White, John Friesz, Sam Seale & Martin
    Bayless to sign my program.  
    
    It was fun!
    
    Glenn

What's Charlie Joiner doing for the Chargers Glenn ?

    Both Charlie Joiner and Ed White are coaching for the Chargers Jeff.
    
    The funny thing was there were about 25 other people there to get
    autographs, but they didn't know what the player looked like, and I
    did, so I was always first.  I just stepped out and said "Hey 
    Ronnie!  Will you sign this card for me?" and THEN everyone else would 
    ask once they found out who the player was.  It was funny.
    
    Live from Charger Central.......Glenn

Glenn what do you expect from a bunch of Bronco fans looking for a new team to 
support. 


It's time to lose your head coach again and get into the Bill Walsh Lottery 

The Charger's had superior talent on the defensive side of the ball and with 
just a couple of well timed blitzes you could have stopped Denver cold. 

Why did the Chargers drop the running game ?

Denvers defense is weak in the left side. 

Jeff

    Well, 3 Chargers are starting in the Pro Bowl:
    
    		Marion Butts    running back
    		Anthony Miller	wide receiver
    		Leslie O'Neal   outside linebacker
    
    My only surprise was to see Gill Byrd, cornerback, missing from the
    list.  I was under the impression that he's leading the AFC in
    interceptions.  Hooray, for Butts.  This must really be a thrill.
    
    Live from Charger Central.......Glenn

    Marion Butts note:
    
    I read something the other day where Butts was asked about the Pro
    Bowl being in Hawaii.  I'm paraphrasing, but Butts said something
    along the lines of "that's fine, but I'd rather it was played in
    the United States".
    
    Can anyone confirm?  I would put that down as a great sports quote...
    
    						Roland
    

    I hadn't heard that, but it's pretty funny.
    
    Glenn

    He must have taken the same geography class T and Merril Hoge took in
    high school.  Hoge thought Canada was part of the US.  T...well,
    there's too many to list.
    
    	--dan'l

    I also heard that Butts hurt his ankle and is out for the remainder of
    the regular season.  Puts a real damper on his charge of the NFL
    rushing title.
    
    Dan

    Where did you hear that Dan?
    
    re Hawaii:  Maybe Butts has a wittier humor than you think.  It's
    conceivable, but probably not likely, that he made that comment as a
    joke.
    
    Live from Charger Central.......Glenn