Conference 7.286::sports_90

    Cleveland 16
    Donks     13
    
    Doesn't this say who the better team is??
    
    jab

    
    	not really.  this does however:
    
    Cleveland 77
    Donks 0
    

    Denver + 1 win = Homefield throughout playoffs
    

    Cleveland + 2 loses = Home Field for the Playoffs...

DONKS ROOOOOOOOOL!!!!

	
	This team can be AWESOME!!

[ note ] - in tune with the kinder and gentler nature of our SPORTS notesfile,
           I've decided not to say anything at all about the laughable losses
           by the Faiders and the Soilers, and the even more laughable win by
           the wretched and increasingly befuddled Brownstains.

You're Welcome
Mike JN

    
    
    Take it easy on those helpless Faider fans.  You know how we felt last
    year sitting at home watching other teams in the playoffs.  Of course
    they knew last year too,  and the year before that,  and the year
    before that.......
    
    Prediction time..
    
    
    
    
    Jints   24
    Faiders 10
    
    
    Get the orange mustard and the blue mayo out.  Its time for another
    Super Bowl journey for the Broncs.  Lets hope we have an appetite at
    halftime of the SB this time.
    
    Russ

    
    The Broncos have yet to show that they can beat a good team.  They've
    shown that they can beat the lousy teams that having an 8-8 record
    the previous year put on your schedule.  I wouldn't order Superbowl
    tickets yet.
    
    Bruce    

                                               
    re: -1
    	just look at the conference they're in!

    
    Aw, come on Bruce, a little blind enthusiasm never hurt anybody!
    Let's see now you're a midgets fan right?  What good teams have
    they beat?  They lost to S.F., the Ewes(in a big way), the eagles
    twice.  Did the Giants beat any good teams?  Yes they did!  They
    beat the Donks!  Their sole victory over a good team.  I admit,
    it's about 4 weeks to early to be screaming SUPER BOWL, but, out
    of all the AFC teams, I'd say they have the best shot at making
    it back to the big game.
    
    Claybone

    I am hard pressed to truly believe that Denver is the BEST in the
    AFC. Can anyone, besides KC who was on a terror till the Lighting
    Bolts short circuited them, beat the Bronco's in Mile Hi ?
    
    Cleveland, gained a lot of strength beating the Vikes Sunday but
    I don't think they have the depth to go all the way. 
    
    Houston, after a 61-7 trouncing these guys probably don't which
    way is up Glanville has a week to build confidence in a very suspect
    secondary. 
    
    Buffalo, should win the division but they should have done that
    4 weeks ago. Look for yet another letdown in the playoffs. 
    
    Raiders, Art Shell is way too conservative to pull victory from
    the jaws of defeat. His play calling is gonna put Bo in baseball
    from here on out. 
    
    Cincinnati, These team is on a roll, but will lose to the Vikes
    on a bizzare call. 
    
    Jeff
    

    As I've been saying all season...JIM KELLY is OVERRATED.
    
    JoJ

    re .13
    
    Jeff, you lost me.  You said you were hard pressed to believe that
    Denver is the BEST in the AFC.  Then, you talk about how none of
    the other teams have a chance.  Please 'splain yoself!  I is
    confoosed!
    
    Claybone

    Sorry Clay, 
    
    I just can't believe that Denver is the Best in the AFC.
    I know that this team can't score inside the 20 the way the 9'ers do. 
    I know the Defense can't stop a 1st and goal from the 1 like the Giants
    do. 
    I know Elway can't throw a 15 yd pass less than 70MPH. 
    
    But I also can't find anybody better. 
    
    
    Jeff

      Jeff,  you compared them to NFC teams not AFC....But anyway,  what a
    blow out Saturday!  The refs sucked!!  Granted it went the Broncos way, 
    especially on the Nattiel "standing up" fumble but the whistle blew
    play.   I thought Denver looked bad thru the first 1 1/2 quarters,  but
    the second have looked excellent!!!!  I hope they don't let up this
    weekend,  because we see what the chargers can do when motivated.
    
      I hope Reeves keeps "running up" the score at all times.  Does anyone
    have some stats???
    
    
    		Tim

      The last note::   The offense looked bad for 1 1/2 quarters.  Defense
    looked excellent the whole game!!
    
      Keep it up Wade!!
    
    			Tj

>    Aw, come on Bruce, a little blind enthusiasm never hurt anybody!
>    Let's see now you're a midgets fan right?  What good teams have
>    they beat?  They lost to S.F., the Ewes(in a big way), the eagles
>    twice.  Did the Giants beat any good teams?  Yes they did!  They
>    beat the Donks!  Their sole victory over a good team.  I admit,
    
    The Giants also beat the Vikes.  That puts them at 2-4 vs. good
    teams, its not great, but it says that they can compete, something
    0 for whatever doesn't.  You also see no Giants fans screaming 
    Superbowl.
    
    Bruce

    Hey, the SKins could end up 10-6, that sounds like a good team to
    me.  So the Jints are 4-4 ;-)))
    
    JD

    Bruce,
    
    	The Donks aren't "0 for whatever" against good teams.  They
    beat Buffalo, Washington, KC (twice; this is debatable that
    they're good but alot of people have been praising their play).
    Teams that may be playoff bound, that may not be considered
    good, that the Donks have beaten are the Raiders and Indy for
    example.  We can debate that the Donks should have beaten
    Philly just as you Jints fans can.  They played the Jints
    tough.
    
    	I would imagine there is at least ONE Giants fan
    screaming super bowl somewhere just as you have found one
    here.  Let him/her!  What's it hurt?  
    
    Claybone

    
    I didn't count Washington as a good team for the Giants, so why
    should they be a good team for the Broncos?  KC is not a playoff
    team.  I may give you Buffalo, but they are at best a 9-7 team that
    will make the playoffs because they are the best team in the worst
    division in the AFC.
    
    Bruce

    
    What's this new tactic, when you can't win an arguement with logic
    resort to sarcasm?

    But Steven, Steven, Steven - have the Donkalos ever won a Super
    Bowl?  Has Elway ever won the Pie Jung?  Are their collies in Heaven,
    and if they're are, why are marshmallows cuter than black eyed peas?
    And remember, while Linda Lovelace may have never choked on the
    big one, she sure did blow quite a few!
    
    DJ

    Thanks Steven, my sentiments exactly.  I think Bruce was
    just looking for an arguement today.  Somebody must have
    tinkled on his pop-tart this morning.
    
    Claybone

    Hey Claywad, just cuz the Donks have won almost all of their games
    doesn't mean they're any good. How's that for logic?
    
    JoJ

    JoJammit!,
    
    	That's the typical anti-donk logic that I have learned to
    expect from you jealous, weenie-type, pee-pee smooching,
    kinder-gentler, girly-mons!  Yeehaw!!!  The Donks are going to
    the Super Bowl to smash whatever bums the nfc sends!  Now that's
    logic!  :^)
    
    Claybone
    

    The last good team to come out of the AFC was the 1983 Raiders.
    For the last six years,the NFC runnerup  was the second best team in
    football and sometimes the NFC had the best three or four.
    
    What would Denver's record be against the Eagles or Giant's schedules?
    If Denver was in the NFC East:
    0-2 vs NY and Philly,sweep Dallas and Phoenix,split with the Skins.
    Lose to SF,LA and maybe NO. Probably lose to Minn and maybe beat Detroit
    or Chicago.
    
    In the mediocre AFC West they dominated,winning 6 of 7. The AFC
    East is an embarrassment and the Central has no outstanding teams.
    So like Minnesota did in the weak NFC of the late 70's Denver is
    the AFC's best and will continue to make Super Bowls and get blown
    out. 
    
    These things are cyclical and will change soon.
    or  

    
    
    re -1
    
    Be careful Dave.  Now they are going to come after you and say things
    like you are taking away their fun, raping their dogs (before they
    get a chance), and kidnapping Santa Claus.  
    
    re Steven
    If you don't think your previous note was sarcastic you need to buy a 
    dictionary so you can look up what the word means.
    
    Bruce

    neither

Bruce, the Broncos have the sencond best record in football right now.  They
lost four games, each by less than a TD.  Any one of those games could have
gone the other way.   

The Broncos also have the best defense against points in the NFL.  That is
a pretty important stat whether you like it or not.  This team has turned 
a whole bunch around, and they could very well beat any team in the league
on any given weekend.  With home field advantage, they just may find themselves
in New Orleans on Jan 28.  

By contrast, the 49ers have the best record in football.  But the have lost
their only two games this year at home.....Home field advantage might not be
such a good thing for them during the playoffs...:-)  

At this point in time no team is gauranteed a place on the field on Jan 28.

I do think that the Broncos match up pretty well with the 9ers, though.  It 
would be a fun game to watch.....


	ed^2

      Tooooo Much BBBBBBBBBSSSSSSSSSS!!!   Why don't we Bronco fans talk
    Bronco related topics??  The anti's don't ever have anything good to
    say,  so try to ignore it if ya can.  I know its hard, because I find
    myself "lashing" back at them.
    
      Did you beleive saturdays game???  Widell actually had more penalties
    than Perry.  I'm having a hard time with that one.
    
      Offense woke up in the second half.
    
    
      And also,  The jints will lose to 9's,  if they get that far!!!
    
    
    		Tim
    
    	Broncs   24	Chargless   14

    The only home playoff loss I can recall was a Wild Card affair with
    the Steelers.  It was Elway's first apperance in the playoffs and
    he pulled a hamstring or something like that.  The trainers tied some
    rediculous looking support strap around his thigh and butt area to
    keep him in the game. What it signaled to the Steeler D was 'I'm hurt
    you can tee off on me' and that they did. With their 1 player and 1
    demension offense, the fate of the game was quickly decided. 
    
    Until this past weekend, I didn't put a great deal of faith in the
    Broncos making it back to the bowl this season. Now it is becoming 
    more difficult to see them not going back. This bowl could be theirs
    by default.  The Broncos and the entire rest of the AFC are already
    7 point underdogs!  As long as we're going to get blown out (again),
    let's have some fun. 
    
    BoB 

    re: .38
    
         Bob, the Donks won the AFC West with a 13-3 record and had
    home field advantage that year.  Pittsburgh beat them 24-17 I 
    think.
    
    
    Hope this Helps
    
                                                 GJ
    

    Yes Glen it does help. Thanks. I forgot all about that AFC West
    Championship. Remember what those feel like? :*)
    
    BoB

>                                                          AFC West
>Championship. Remember what those feel like? :*)
    
         The RAIDERS have won more division championships than the Donks
    have had winning seasons.  I prefer to remember real important 
    victories, like Super Bowl wins.  Of course, with you being a Donk
    fan, it will be a long time b4 you know what that feels like. :-)
    
                                                 GJ
    
    
         

    
    See Stevie, I told you Reeves was a bad coach, you yourself just said
    it a few notes ago. He couldn't get it done himself so he fired his
    whole staff and hired a new one to get the job done...
    
    Donks Suck!!!  nuff said...
    
    mike

    
    	RE:.41
    
    	Ha! Want to give us some facts on that stupid statment.
    
    	Todd

    
    I wouldn't laugh too hard, Todd. I don't know for sure but it is
    probably true.
    

    
    	Just supply the facts, that's all. More championships the Denver's
    had over .500 seasons????? I gotta see it to believe it.
    
    Todd

It 's true Tood!!!  And them the FACKS(tm)

    
    	Numbers....I want numbers!

    
    	well, it also shows the long term credibility of a team.

    
    	Numbers..........where are these facts??

    
    I agree with Steven. (HA!  Merry Xmas) 8^)  What team can show long
    term credibility? Not one team that has won a championship in the
    last 5 years won one in the 70's.  There is no such thing in the
    NFL.
    
    Bruce

    
    I think the Raider fans in this note should get out their old
    VHS tapes of when they had a good team and watch those every 
    Sunday, because if you're living in the past, you might as well
    go all the way.
    
    I'm sure glad the Broncs allow us fans to live for today.  Maybe
    we haven't won the Big one yet, but at least were still trying.
    Big Al would love it if his boys just got close again.  I'm sure
    the Davis and SHell families will get together this January to watch 
    their second favorite team beat up on the AFC at Mile-Hi.  Maybe
    they could have Lester Hayes over for dessert.  I'm sure Lester
    would love to see Elway burn some corners like he always got
    burnt.
    
    
    
    Russ

    
    	Well, since NONE of the Raider fans can supply the FACTS, I can
    only presume that those comments were mindless dribble coming
    from a group of fans that support wanna-bees.
    
    Todd

    
    
    re: .51
    	let's be realistic!! :)  I'm talking about credibility within
    a division.  exactly how many teams from the 80's who won their
    division won their division in the 70's?

Let me tell you something about  credibility:

	Since Dan Reaves has been the Head coach of the Broncos, Denver
	has the best record in the NFL.

	but I forgot, he hasn't won a Superbowl........yet.

	Also, I don't happen to have the detail of either Denver OR the
	whole league, but Denver has won it's division more than once
	in the 80s and won it at least once in the 70s.

	They also have won the Conference twice in the 80s and once in
	the 70s.


	Mr. Hendry, I'm sure that you have access to some of the inane
	information that these people are asking for.  Could we impose
	upon you to seek some of it out?

		Ed^2

<        <<< Note 38.41 by CSC32::GL_JOHNSON "She's Stone Cold Bush!" >>>
<              -< Talk to me whenever Denver *WINS* a Super Bowl >-
<
<>                                                          AFC West
<>Championship. Remember what those feel like? :*)
<    
<         The RAIDERS have won more division championships than the Donks
<    have had winning seasons.  I prefer to remember real important 
<    victories, like Super Bowl wins.  Of course, with you being a Donk
<    fan, it will be a long time b4 you know what that feels like. :-)
<    
<                                                 GJ
<

	This is not Friday....therefore it is inappropriate to use it as
	a make up a fack (tm) day.

	Please get real....it will do you're heart good.

		Ed^2
    
    
         

    
    	denver has a better record overall since reeves started than
    san francisco?   when did he start?  numbers!! :)
    

        Of course Denver will be home in January,  They have Home feild
    advantage thruuuuuuu the playoffs.
    
       Has anyone heard if Dennis Smith will play Sunday??   What is the
    point spread???
    
    			Tim

    re .59:
    
    CAFEIN::POOL has Denver as 2-1/2 point favorites.
    
    
    py

    
    I wouldn't be surprised about Denver havving a better record.  I
    think the '80 SF team only won ~5 games, and they had a terrible
    record in '82 during the strike year.
    
    
    Bruce

It was stated during the Denver-jints game two weeks ago that since
Dan "Collie Man" Reeves taking over, the Broncs do in fact have the
best record in football.

Of course all the games against Loyala-Mary Mount, St Ignacious, and
Julio Iglesias University really shouldn't count, IMO ;^)


Its a fact, not a fack(tm)

Chainsaw

    Broncos' record under Reeves
    
          W   L   T
    1981  10  6   0
    1982  2   7   0  strike going into week 3.
    1983  9   7   0
    1984  13  3   0
    1985  11  5   0
    1986  11  5   0
    1987  10  4   1  scab strike
    1988   8  8   0
    1989  11  4   0  with 1 game to go. 
    ----------------
          85  49  1  overall winning % is .635
    
    
    BoB

    Speaking of Reeves, he has denied that he will be retiring after this
    season.  This rumor was started after NBC reported that Shanahan turned
    down a college coaching job after he was told that the Bronco head
    coaching job was his when Reeves stepped down.

    
    Russ,
    I sincerely feel sorry for you if you have to use a football team to
    "allow us fans to live for today." Very sad indeed. The rest of the BS
    in .52 only reinforces the opinion that you really mean it.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

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    Broncos' record under Reeves        Redskins under Gibbs
    
          W   L   T                        W   L   T
    1981  10  6   0                        8   8
    1982  2   7   0  strike                8   1
    1983  9   7   0                       14   2
    1984  13  3   0                       11   5
    1985  11  5   0                       10   6
    1986  11  5   0                       11   5
    1987  10  4   1  scab strike          10   5
    1988   8  8   0                        7   9
    1989  11  4   0  with 1 game to go.    9   6
    ----------------                    ----------
          85  49  1  winning % is .635    88  47
    
    
    BoB
                                                

>                         -< maybe best record in AFC >-


	 It was luck.  ;-)

	 They won every game that I didn't watch...and lost every game
	 I did.

	 

	 Perhaps I should watch more Donkos?????


	 kat

    
    if .67 is true in pointing out that the 'skins have a better record
    than the Broncos, then SF must also.  I believe I read last year
    that Walsh has a better record than Gibbs.
    
    
    Bruce

    Walsh coached longer than Gibbs. It seems to me that Ditka should
    have a pretty impressive total for that time frame as well. I only
    included Gibbs because it is the one that I can do from memory.
    
                              Steve J.

    You Denver fans must really be excited about having Sha-nana as
    the head coach. He did a fantastic job with the Raiders. I know
    I'm hoping that Reeves steps down cause I'm tired of losing :-)
    			Raider_Rich
    
    

    The DONKS will be the dynasty team of the 90's!
    
    -- JB

    re:dynasty team
        I always knew Joan Collins was more 'manly' than Reeves and
    Mr Ed.
                             Denny

    i am sickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk i turned down a giants ticket
    for sunday..
    

I don't know Walsh's numbers, because he's no longer active. But the top active
coaches (with at least five years experience, so we don't get a flash in the
pan) are:

COACH            W       L      T          %
______________________________________________

SHULA           269     118     6        68.45

GIBB             93      45              67.39

DITKA            79      40              66.38

REEVES           85      49     1        63.40

KNOX            155      97     1        61.50

SCHOTTENHEIMER   51      34              60.00

NOLL            176     132     1        57.14

Buddy Ryan hasn't had five years yet, but if you're interested:

RYAN             32      28              53.33

MIKE `Undefeated-Untied' JN

    
    Bronco Pro-Bowlers
    
    The team placed 4 on the Pro-Bowl squad.
    
    Meck and Treadwell are starters
    Kragen and Smith made the team
    
    
    Too bad for Fletcher and Johnson.  I really felt like one or both
    of them would make the team.
    
    
    Hoot,
    
      This is a Sports Note, so obviously I wasn't including every
    aspect of life in my comments about living for today.  If football 
    is all I think the Raider fans have to live for then most if not
    all of you would have done yourselves in a long time ago.  Last year I 
    personally would have gone off the deep end if Bronco football was my
    whole life.  I think your deep rooted sadness over the sure demise
    of your Raider team in Giant land has colored your thinking.
    
    Below are just a few aspect of life I enjoy along with sports.  Let me
    know what else you enjoy in this wonderful life we have and then maybe
    in the future your replys to my "fun" sports notes won't take on such 
    a serious tone.
    
    
    College
    Church
    Eating Out
    Work
    Kids
    Wife
    Family
    Christmas
    Any Holiday
    Computers
    Nintendo
    Watching the Raiders lose  (This is probably my favorite out of all)
    
    
    Russ

    
    re Walsh Gibbs:
    
    I remember last year that Walsh became the winningest coach in the
    80's, edging out Gibbs due to the 49ers having a better record in
    '88.  Gibbs is now the winningest, obviously.
    
    Bruce

    Hey Russ, I hope for your sake that your list wasnt in order
    of preference :-) Yer Wife would kick yer Donk-lovin' butt 
    all over the county in which you live if she found out!!:-)
    (Notice I capitalized Wife)
                            Raider_Rich
    

    re: Todd Survil
    
         I work an afterhours shift so I won't always be able to reply
    as quickly as I'd sometimes like to.
    
         What I meant by that "stupid statment" is exactly what it said, 
    the RAIDERS have won more AFC West Division titles than the Broncos
    have had winning seasons. 
    
      RAIDER Division titles                 Bronco seasons above .500
      ----------------------                 -------------------------
           1965                               1976(9-5; 2nd in AFC West)
           1967(lot SB II)                    1977(12-2; lost SB XII)
           1968                               1978(won AFC West)
           1970                               1979( "   "    " )
           1971                               1981(10-6; 2nd in AFC West)
           1972                               1984(13-3;lost div. playoff)
           1973                               1985(11-5;no wildcard)
           1974                               1986(11-5;lost SB vs. NYG)
           1975                               1987(10-4-1;lost SB vs. Was)
           1976(won SB XI)                    1989(won AFC West;???)
           1983(won SB XVIII) 
           1985
     
         There you have it.  Any other questions??  Good, now go on 
    and cheer the Donks into another SB, and give all anti-Donk fans
    another good laugh.  I know I'll enjoy it. :-)
    
                                                 GJ
        
    

>>                  -< Write-locked until after the holidays! >-

The point is made.

     Go Broncos.................!!!
    
     Ok, Now you can write lock this note if you feel 
    you have to
    
    
    Big Game

       I think it is to bad for Fletcher and Johnson, and Atwater...
    
      Fletcher is the AFC's leading sack man.  And the committe relies on
    stats to do there picks right??  He didn't even get an alternate?? 
    Johnson is having his best year yet,  and Atwater is the Broncs leading
    tackler.
    
      Well anyway,  as  usual,  I feel the these guys got the shaft.  Even
    Humphrey.
    
      Kick Butt D!!!!!
    
    
    		Tim

    
    There is no committee. The players and coaches vote on who goes. They
    just can't vote for their own players.

    
    
        Another way to look at .82 is..............
           
                                         1977(12-2;(won AFC west) 
                                         1978(won AFC West)
                                         1979( "   "    " 
                                         1984(13-3;(won AFC west)     
                                         1986(11-5;(won AFC west)
                                         1987(10-4-1;(won AFC west)
                                         1989(won AFC West)
        
        After 11 seasons of sub 500 performance they have gone on to win
        7 AFC west titles in the next 12 years including 3 out of the 
        last 4.  Some of those came when the AFC west was considered
        one of the more competive divisions in the league. 
    
        BoB
    
        
           
            
         
    
                                                
        
    

    
    yes BoB, that is if you want to look through orange colored glasses.
    Todd tried his hardest to take GL to the woodshed over the fact that
    he stated the Raiders have more championships than Donks have .500
    season. Seems like Todd is going to have bend over for a spanking...
    
    many smiles
    
    mike

     Who really cares.......  Some of the Donk fans are starting to 
    sound like Faider fans.   Come on Bronco Fans "We don't live in 
    the past like faider Fans.....   We live in the present" (Insert
    Clevescum and Cincy and you have a Sam Wyche speech) 
    
     Broncos Rule..........
    
    Big game

    
    Well Steven I guess it's up to you then to provide those missing years.
    if you throw in 83 they're still one shy. Even if you do find a couple
    of year which I doubt, it still pretty dam impressive on Glen's part
    and certainly more factual than I'll bet any donk fans will believe..
    
    mike

     The Fack (tm) is........  The Faiders are going to be home 
    (like in their respective living rooms) for the playoffs
    while the 1989/1990 World Champion Broncos will be forging
    ahead to a Superbowl Victory.  Who Gives a F__K about the
    Past........   The future is now and the Donks are in it, the
    Faiders Aren't.  Nuff Said

    
    Jack,
    Are those the same World Champion donks as you were claiming in '84,
    '85, '86, '87...?
    

    Here we go again with the annual ProBowl slight, rookie of the 
    year controversy and coach of the year debates.  Recognition is
    important to be sure, but it's wining that means more than
    any award or honor.  Just guessing but, probably half or more of 
    the selected players to the Pro-Bowl would trade it right now for 
    a win this weekend.  
    
    Denver finishes their surprising season in San Diego. The game's 
    only real impact will be a psychological boost to the winner.
    The Chargers are out and the Broncos are in and nothing will change
    that.  This one they play for the books and a mesure of bragging 
    rights.   The Broncos won't play again untill January 6th or 7th
    against (__________).
                  ^
                  |________Insert 1 of 8 AFC team names here.
    
    This has been a very good year for the Donks.  The 90's are shaping
    up nicely.
    
    BoB

Go Braves!!!!!

      Go Braves?????  Thats Baseball which is a sport for the less manly
    men!  Lets talk football!!
    
      Any predictions for Sundays game?? Does anyone care??  Are there any
    anti's out there with anyhting intelligent to say?
    
    
    		Go Broncos!!
    
    	Broncs	24	Chargers  14
    
      I don't think Butts will have a big day.
    
    
    		Tim

    Jam It, 'Saw........   You're a GEEK !!
    
    ;^)  
    
    At least thats what I heard
    
    
    Big Game

Well, some of you feeb-dweebs will have a chance to meet the 
'Saw nexted week.

The 'Saw is not a geek.  He's been tried by fire, and survived ice.
He's held off single-handedly an attack by Masturbating Zombies.
He knocked Kelly Stauffer on his butt...

So, beware ye of little faith.  Mark well my words.

Teef or no, you don't wanna piss the Chainsaw off.


'Saw

     Bring it on `Saw........  Us Manly Men on the "Best" side of the
    Mississippi aren't afraid of any toothless wimpy little girly 
    mon such as your self.  Besides,  your real name is Frank, which
    isn't nearly as manly as "Chainsaw".....   We're waiting !!
    
    Big Game    ;^) ;^) ;^)  ect......

Ain't no girly mon here.... 

Any time.  We'll do manly things and drink heavy.  Sounds like fun.

Merry Christmas...

Chainsaw

    "You call me Francis - I'll kill ya"
    
    Mark.

Mark....how did you know? ;^)

Very few people have the filberts to call me Francis to my face....

later,
Chainsaw

Well, Mike and Glenn, (let me not forget Monty)

	It looks like you have been proven WRONG again, not that I 
doubted that you would attempt to enter false or incomplete stats to
make your (wrong) point.  

	The stats are, however very impressive for the raiders, but
this little history session does serve to highlight one thing, the
raiders and mostly thier fans do have a tendancy to "live in the past".

	They ain't done nothin' lately......except lose, that is.

	Hope this helps :-)

		Ed^2

    (In my best SGT. Hulka voice)
    
    Lighten up Francis!

     I was gonna but I didn't want to ruin your holidays, Francis !!  ;^)
    Kinda has a ring to it you know.....  Francis "Chainsaw" Way, I like
    it... what do you guys think.?.?.?
    
    Big Game

    
    This is too much! The donks, their coaching staff, the media, and their
    fans once again whine about why wasn't half of our team selected to the
    Pro Bowl? Short memories, I guess. Most of the games they won we heard
    comments from the above group like, "It wasn't pretty", "They looked
    bad but a win is a win" etc. But now all of the sudden through
    metamorphosis, I surmise, they are ladden with All-Pros. The fans
    complain weekly about Reeves "stupid" play calling. Now all of a sudden
    he is Coach of the Year. I will give you Bobby Humphrey as a good shot
    at AFC Rookie of the Year. It's between him and, whathisface, the KC
    linebacker.
    
                                                    HOOT
     

     Hey HOOT,  I don't recall anyone asking you to give us anything.
    Hit the road buddy !!  You're begining to sound like Al Davis.
    
    Big Game

    
    RE: last two
    
    Ha ha ha ha ha! Just the facts.

       The fact is,  know one really cares about your opinion
    Mr. HOOTSKI!!!!  Your a faider fan.  Now smile HOOT,  its the holiday
    season!!!
    
       Hey Jack,  I see your workin' hard like me today!!!  Whens
    the next pick-up game?
    
      Merry x-mas!!!
    
    			Tim

Hoot, the complaining is almost ALL about defensive players being slighted.
The only exceptions to that are Bobbie Humphries and Vance Johnson.  

The Defense is THE BEST IN THE NFL AGAINST SCORING!!!! that is the MOST
IMPORTANT stat that a defense can produce.  It is also in the top 5 in the
league in the three other categories that are measured, total yardage,
rushing yardage and passing yardage. That kind of defense deserves a bit
more representation than it has gotten in the Pro Bowl.  It certainly
deserves it if "Howie 'I played two games well' Long" deserves a spot.

I personaly don't think that Vance deserves a pro bowl spot.  He is among the
top 5 or six Wide outs in the AFC, but not the top 4.  He HAS had the best
year of his career, but that alone doesn't qualify for the Pro Bowl.

Bobby Humphries probably deserves the Pro Bowl, though.  His numbers are
amazing, considering that he plays on a team that hasn't had a running back
have 5 100 yard games since 1974 or earlier.

On Defense Simon Fletcher and Steve Atwater at a minimum deserved to be
in the Pro Bowl.

However, After the Broncos win the Super Bowl, next year we will place
AT LEAST 6 people in the Pro Bowl next year.

	Ed^2

    Like to play ball again as soon as the weather is above zero.
    Merry Christmas Tim,  Pass irt along to *EVERYONE* in your lab.
    
    Big Game
    
    P.S.  Yea, Hoot, No one cares what you think.

      Message passed to *EVERYONE* Jack!!!
    
      Have a good one!!
    
    			Tim

    Yo Hunter!! Football!!! Count me in!!!

    
    Hey Ed^2  hahahaha hardeee harrrrrr......
    
    one more .500 season than championships wow I'm impressed.....
    
    I'll give then an SO
    
    
    Squatting O that is, cause women squat and the donks are girly_mon
    personafied.....
    
    happy trails to you until we meet again.....
    
    mike

    
    Good place of it, I would say Jeff N.
    
    Yo Tim, .109 is not an opinion. It is a fact that is backed up by
    the donk note in the old version of SPORTS.NOT.
    
    Out of curiosity Ed, who would you have Humphrey and Fletcher bump for
    a Pro Bowl nod? What about Eric Metcalf? He leads all rookies in
    receptions with 52, averages over 23 yards on KO returns and has over
    600 yards rushing. It appears that he is the better all-around player
    between the two.

  <<< Note 38.122 by COMET::EDWARDS "Denver Broncos = AFC West Champs '89" >>>

I would have Fletcher replace Clay Mathews.

I would have Humphrie replace Brooks, Thomas, or Dickerson. None of them have 
done as much for their team or been as effective as Bobby.

I'd have Steve Atwater replace EITHER of the starting safeties

I'd even have Elway replace Boomer.

As long as I'm at it I'd have Ron Holmes replace Howie Long at DE.

	Ed^2

    Hoot, whatshisface=Derek Thomas 
    
    I don't have any real problem with the Pro Bowl selections. Every
    year there are some that make it and shouldn't and some that don't
    and should. Genereally speaking when a team does well in what should
    have been a so-so type season, the awards and honors catch up the 
    following year.  
    
    BoB

    Sunday Denver finishes the regular season vs a very loose San Diego
    Charger team. Denver has to win this game to help prepare for the
    playoffs in January. I see a very conservative game plan by Reeves with
    Humphrey/Winder running the ball 30 times. The plan is to control the
    clock and put enough points on the board to win the game. 
    
    The Chargers are playing their Superbowl and would like nothing better
    than beating Denver. I see a free and reckless game played by Tolliver
    and Anthony Miller. 
    
    Denver 14 
    
    S.D    10
    
      

    Elway is still throwing the ball low on the short/medium
    range passes too many times for my liking.  Making a 
    receiver dive for the ball takes away a possible good run
    after reception.  When the Broncs play in Jack Murphy,
    I hope this wrinkle is ironed out.
    
    Sherm
    

    Yo Hoot,
     How many pa-Raiders deserved to be probowl, and how many made it.
    The same huh? Only Fernandez isn't the name Cowie is, now is he. 
    I can't wait to see the twisted logic you will come up with. 
    
    the devil dog 
    
    p.s. The RAMS OR /9ERS would rule the afc west.

    re: .95
         
         Steven, you left out the 1974 RAIDER division championship.
    A small nit I know, but it's important for the sake of this argument.  
    It was my understanding that Denver's first winning season ever was
    in 1976.  According to you, they're about even.  Whatever.
              
         All this over what was supposed to be a humourous reply to 
    BoB Salzer(number 40-something).  Nothing would have been made
    of it, except that Mr. Survil was looking for an argument like
    a buzzard anticipating his next meal.  And why are you, of all 
    people, making such a big deal out of it if what I said was that
    "stupid"?  Are you so worked up over the Broncos playoff hopes(
    slim and none :-)) that you've lost touch with all reality?(I 
    did notice that you were awfully quiet during the 2-week stretch
    that the Broncos lost to the RAIDERS and GIANTS).
    
         For the sake of our JN-paranoid moderators, further conversation
    on this matter will be null and void as far as I'm concerned.
    
         Seems some Bronco fans never learn.  They're already spouting
    off about how this is the year, bla bla bla.  The fans talk all kind 
    of feces about how the Donks will be SB champs and then they're all 
    depressed for 2 weeks after they lose it.  I see it being even worse
    this year.  I guess thats what happens when an entire state wants a 
    championship as bad as most Coloradans do.  :-)    
    
                                                 GJ
    

>>>Are you so worked up over the Broncos playoff hopes (slim and none :-))
    
    
    Yo Glen, I'd take "slim and none" over "none" anyday. BTW what is the
    pa-Raiders playoff chances this year? 8^)
    
    Interesting discussion 'tho.

    The Charger/Bronco game had some interesting side points:
    
    Point #1:  This loss to the Chargers will probably propel the 
    	       Broncos all the way to the Super Bowl.  I think Reeves
    	       will use it to point out to the players that they're not
    	       invincible.
    
    Point #2:  The Broncos have not allowed a passer to have a 300 yard
    	       day all season.  Billy Joe Tolliver was over 300 yards.
    
    Point #3:  The Broncos, with an AFC leading 48 sacks, got 0 against the
    	       Chargers, while the Chargers registered 7 against the
    	       Broncos and now are tied with Denver with 48 sacks.  Lee
    	       Williams and Leslie O'Neal rank 1, 2, in the conference for
    	       sacks, followed by Bruce Smith and then Simon Fletcher.  
    
    Point #4:  The Broncos barely made 200 yards of net offense 
    	       (206 to be exact).  The Chargers had almost 400 (387).
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

    Denver couldn't even buy a win in S.D. I couldn't believe that second
    pass interference call against S.D. 
    Looks tough for Denver in the playoffs, Houston is the likely first  
    opponent and with there terrible record away and on grass this looks 
    to be a very boring game unless single minded Dan Reeves can get up 
    some confidence to run some type of play action game plan. 
    
    Jeff
    

    PEEEEEEEEEEEEEUUUUU!  What is that smell coming from S.D.'s
    direction.  It must be the aroma of the way the Donks
    played Sunday.  Talk about uninspired football.  
    
    Claybone

      The Broncos didn't have the motivation to win.  With what, 5 ints,
    and they still can't produce some big points on that.   The offense
    better get to looking better,  which I think they will.  Was Perry ever
    called for holding this week???  I missed some of the game1
    
      It will be soilers or stellers in the 1st game for denver.  I think
    the soilers will be the team,  and I think Denver will shut glanville
    up!!  I'm glad the vikes won last night.
    
      Broncs vs Vikes in SB????  Someone has to win!
    
    		Tim

    Steven,
    
    	Yeah, I was wondering about that too.  It was called a 
    "post-possesion" foul.  But, the ball hadn't been kicked
    yet!  I think the calls must have evened out though.....
    they didn't call Perry for holding the whole game!  ;^)
    
    Claybone

    RE.79
    
    Raider_Rich,
    
    BTW my list was not in priority, and my WIFE loves me so much, she
    wouldn't even think of kicking my butt all over the county.  Don't
    read into things too much buddy or things will flow forth from your
    mouth that just aren't true.
    
    
    Back to Bronco football.  DOn't worry about the loss to the chargers.
    That was no more than another practice day for the team.  Reeves 
    accomplished his goal of no major injuries, and he probably will
    use the sluggish performance to motivate the team.
    I wonder if Pitt can upset 'Gland'ville next SUNDAY.  
    I actually hope Houston wins, because they are such dogs on the road
    and they are an easier team to get up for.  Pitt has shown in the past
    that they can sneak up on people in the playoffs.
    
    My prediction:
    
    Houston over Pitt
    Buffalo over Cleve
    Denver over Houston
    Denver over Buffalo  ( Great matchup )
    
    Nobody over SanFran, unless Montana has a bad day, if there is such a
    thing!!!
    
    Keep smiling Faider fans, maybe next year.....But I doubt it!
    
    
    Russ

    Russ, this is now flowing from forth my mouth. Just a question. Dont read
    too much into this, ok. Name the only team in the entire NFL
    to be in the Superbowl in all 3 decades it has been held. Hint;
    its not the Donks :-) This is only a joke :-)  
    Raider_Rich_living_in_the_glorious_past_which_is_better_than_no_past
    

    
.132>        Point #1:  This loss to the Chargers will probably propel the 
    >	       Broncos all the way to the Super Bowl.  I think Reeves
    >	       will use it to point out to the players that they're not
    >	       invincible.
       
    	I think the loss to the Giants was used for that.  Let's face
    it, since Denver won the division they have been less than an average
    team.  I still picked them to *make* it to the super bowl... but
    I still have my doubts after Sundays performance.  
    
    sean

    
    Every Broncos loss since the Raiders game has been because they
    were not motivated.  Will they be able to get motivated for a playoff
    game, or are they saving it all for the Super Bowl?
    
    Bruce 

    I have to agree with Bruce.  I didn't see the 49'ers laying down
    after they clinched their division.  IMO, you're supposed to play
    to win.  They may get into a game in the playoffs where they have
    to come from behind, but, since they haven't been playing to win
    since they clinched, they might have a tough time because of their
    uninspired play the last few weeks.  The team needs to stay sharp
    mentally as well as physically.  You don't just flip a magical
    switch and start playing good ball.
    
    Claybone

    judging from the conference they are in I have to believe that it
    is true that they will win it.  Overall in the NFL I believe that
    Denver falls somewhere around 7th behind San Francisco, LA Rams, NY
    Giants, Minnesota and Washington.  It is a shame that the conferences
    are so lopsided.  I have to rate the Philadelphia-LA Rams wildcard 
    game as a better match than the afc championship game, already,
    not to mention the nfc division and championship games.
    
    sean

    It would have been real nice to see the Houston, Cincinnati rematch. 
    
    I'll agree that the AFC as a whole is running in the middle of the pack
    vs the NFC. But in 1-2 years of Plan B free agency I see a very
    balanced league. 
    
    Jeff

       Lets hope they balance out Jeff.  I want to see the Broncs get a
    couple of real powerful 0-linemen who can pass block, especially after
    Sunday performance.  7 sack is WAY to many.  It does show how good
    Elway can scramble.  He would have probably cut that number to 3 or 4.
    
       Who would you rather see Denver play???  Houston or Pitt??
    
      	Tim

    
    Penalties, Not putting their best team on the field, not motivate,
    any other excuses for that sorry bunch of loosers from Pile it High?
    
    ;^) ;^)
    
    mike

    Yes Mike, please excuse us for having the best record in the AFC
    and stomping our way to a Super Bowl win!  Many :^)'s
    
    Claybone

    
    	mike,
    
    	7th might have been a little low but i definitely can not say
    that they are anywhere above fifth in the NFL because:
    
    1.	denver lost to the giants who lost to s.f., minnesota, and rams
    2.  denver lost to philly who lost to s.f., minnesota   
    3.  the five mentioned teams had tougher schedules and are in
    	a tougher conference.
    
    	JMO of course, subject to donk bashing :)
    
    	denver might not have ever lost to s.f. during b.w.'s career
    but how many times did they play and what were the scores?  i
    definitely think s.f. is a better team than denver this year.
    
    sean

    re .154:
    
    >	denver might not have ever lost to s.f. during b.w.'s career
    >   but how many times did they play and what were the scores?  
    
    Denver beat San Francisco in overtime last year at Candlestick, 16-13.
    Don't know about other years.                   
    
    As far as this year, the 49ers have stayed sharp even after clinching
    home field, while the Broncos appear to have had a letdown of late. 
    I'd definitely have to go with the 49ers if it comes down to a
    Denver-SF super bowl (which it very well might).
    
    
    py  
                            

      I will agree that SF is the team to beat.  They have been
    consistantly good all year,  even the 2 losses were close ones.  I will
    take one week at a time right now.  Houston or Pitt,  it don't matter,
    because the Broncs will come out smokin'!!!
    
    
    		Tim

    All-time series between Denver and San Francisco:
    
    1970	at San Francisco 19	Denver 14
    1973	San Francisco 36	at Denver 34
    1979	Denver 38		at San Francisco 28
    1982	at Denver 24		San Francisco 21
    1985	at Denver 17		San Francisco 16
    1988	Denver 16		at San Francisco 13 (OT)
    
    John

    
    	wow, pretty intense rivalry there.  what close games!
    
    sean

    
    Yes but the '85 game was the famous snowball game and last year
    the 49ers had already clinched their division and weren't really
    motivated.  8^)

Right. Usually close games.... and no S.F. wins during the Walsh era.

Personally, I think S.F. is the better team as well, although I'm a Donk fan. I
don't like the way Denver played the last couple of games. S.F. had their Home
Field Advantage locked up, also. But they still went out and played like
winners. Denver looked like crap.

	If both teams were to end up in the S.B., the edge should definitely
belong to S.F.; but I wouldn't bet that game. Denver has always  been like a
damned college team. When they get themselves all fired up (and one or two
lucky plays can do it), there is NOBODY who can beat them. But they are just as
likely to play like Dallas.

Mike JN

    
    
    Come on here...What is all the talk about Denver going to the
    Superbowl???   Look who they played this year...Look at how they
    have played this year...They are not as good as their record 
    shows!  If I was their fan...I would not be looking forward to
    playing either wildcard team.
    
    In the AFC...
    
    		Dawgs are on a roll.......2-0 against playoff teams
    						in the last two weeks!
    
    		Steelers are on a roll....2-0 against nobodies...don't
    						look for them to go
    						far!
    
    		Buffalo finally win one...1-3 against nobodies...they
    						won't get past the browns
    						30 yard line!
    
    		Houston are on a roll...backwards...
    
    		Denver loose another game...1-3 against nobodies...Giants
    						included!  <chokers>
    
    ARF ARF ARF
    
    			Put things into perspective.
    

    Although I'm not drooling over Bernie like Wildhair, I have to agree
    with him that the Browns will win the AFC.
    
    The Browns, after a late season slump, snapped out of it with two
    clutch wins over decent teams.
    
    The Donks peaked too early and have played poorly for 4 weeks straight
    The Bills have an overrated QB and are VERY inconsistent
    The Oilers just ain't that good
    The Steelers have alotta heart, but not quite enough talent
    
    I really think the Browns are the best team, and the return of their
    running back from rehab or whatever has made a big difference for them.
    
    JoJ

    Perspective?  This coming from a Clevescum fan who ends all his
    notes with "ARF ARF ARF".  We've been through all the gyrations
    of "look who they played, head to head results, history, and 
    other assorted boola, boola".  We Denver fans look forward to
    playing anybody, so, please don't speak for us.  You talk
    about Cleveland being on a roll by beating two PLAYOFF teams,
    but, then a few lines later, you say Houston stinks.  If Houston
    is that bad, then I guess Cleveland's win over them didn't prove
    a whole lot (playoff team or not).
    
    Denver definitely has an advantage by having the home field.  I
    like their chances, over the other AFC playoff teams, for making 
    it back to the S.B.
    
    amf,
    
    Claybone  

    
    	DENVER (11-5)
    
    W	34	Kansas City	20
    W	28	Buffalo		14
    W	31	LA Raiders	21
    L	13	at Cleveland	16
    W	16	San Diego	10
    W	14	Indianapolis	3
    W	24	at Seattle	21
    L	24	Philadelphia	28
    W	34	Pittsburgh	7
    W	16	at Kansas City	13
    W	14	at Washington	10
    W	41	Seattle		14
    L	13	at LA Raiders	16
    L	7	NY Giants	14
    W	37	at Phoenix	0
    L	16	at San Diego	19
    
    sean

    Steven,
    
    	I am relaxed.  I swear I was lightly tapping the keyboard
    when I entered that note.  I didn't mean to sound urinated
    when I wrote that....honest!  Far be it from me to ever hurt
    the feelings of a Browns fan    ;^)  I didn't even spit my
    Skoal on the screen when I saw the reply was from a Browns
    fan!  
    
    Claybone

    re: -1
    	how is cleveland up 2 to zip of the bronc's anyways?  just
    wondering.
    
    sean

    Doesn't matter if Denver gets out of the AFC. It will simply mean that
    they will become the 2nd team n NFL history to get to the Super Bowl 4
    times and lose every time. The Broncos in some sens are the NFL's
    version of the Red Sox and the Cubs.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    
    i hope pittsburgh beats the Oilers and comes into mile high stadium
    and beats the broncos the way they did in '84. boy that was a great
    game (ah memories....)
    
    go pttsburgh!!!

    
    	re .168
    
    		My Dawgs-Donks comment is merely a prediction.
    	My attempt at Carnac.  My attempt to get the blood boiling
    	again, now that we're in a new home.  C'mon, guys!  Have
    	at it!
    
    	JaD

    JaD,
    
    	A new home?  I noticed your node name...did you just move
    	out here recently.  That just goes to show you have some
    	taste.......now let's see if you can make it all the way
    	and start rooting for the donks.  Here's wishing you luck!
    
    Claybone

                                 T NOSE PHANS

    
    	RE:130
    
    		Thank you steve! It would appear the anti's are again
    trying to back out of the facts, and LIVE IN THE PAST!!!
    
    Todd
    
    
    For what's it's worth: Super Bowl, Buffalo vs. San Fran. Winner:49ers
    
    

    I cain't see the Donks losing in the AFC championchip game. However I
    can see them real flat against Pitts or Chewston. If they lose before
    the bowl, the wildcard winner will be the one to 'NOK 'em off. If they
    get to the bowl the Rams will murder them.

    
    Pitt will take them out. Elway will be over cofident and throw not
    1 not 2 not 3 or 4 but 5 interceptions.......
    
    mike

    Broncos are ready for the `off's.......   Count on it !!
    
    Broncos 31
    
    Rams    20
    
    Big Game

    
    yeah BG they're ready for the 'offs'  offseasons that is!!!!!
    
    ;^)
    
    pittsburg 45
    donks      3
    
    mike

    Yea Mikey.........  I saw it coming a mile away.  I was just 
    wondering which one of you Numb Nuts would jump on it first.
    Have a really shitty day.......    ;^)
    
    Big Game

    
    and I'll bet you were giving even odds Jacky that I would indeed be
    that NN er'......
    
    thanks BG and the same to you  ;^)
    
    mike

     Actually Mike, I thought it would be that loser Waddle that would 
    jump on it first but he's friggen brain dead these days.  Hey !  You
    ever meet Waddle ?  He really is a BUM!  
    
    Just ask Jim_Bob_Denver_Dallas_Johnny_Most_Crews,  He'll tell ya !
    
    
    Big Game

    
    yeah I've met JoSH, nice guy...hahhaaa
    
    Reeves over Noll? cmon now something is wrong here.....
    
    must be Media Hype, or all the voters voted in october....
    
    mike

    I agree with Mike Childs on this one. Noll is the AFC CotY. Reeves had
    considerably more talent than Noll, and everyone left the Steelers for
    dead after the first two blowouts.
    
    Noll took a demoralized Steeler team and got them to the playoffs.
    
    Jack, your a jerk.
    
    JoJ

    JoJ,
    
     I'm suprised that you can't see greatness when it's right in front
    of your face.  Dan Reeves is without question the best coach to
    ever grace the NFL with his talent.  I'm gonna have to speak with
    Ralf Routon about you.  Obviously his orange propaganda isn't
    strong enough to make you see the lite(tm)
    
    
    Big Game

    
    I agree with JoJ, Noll or Shottenheimer would have been a better
    choice.  I don't buy this look how the team improved over last year
    bs, the team only won 2 more games than last year, playing a much
    weaker schedule.   Certainly Noll and Shottenheimer's teams improved
    much more.
         
    I also don't think the NFC choice was the best.  GB led the NFL
    by far in signing plan B free agents with 11 and had an incredibly 
    easy schedule.  
         
    Bruce

    
    	Reeves won it because he did the most...
    
    		With the least!!!
    
    	JaD

      Bobby Humphrey got runner up for 'off' rookie of the year,  and
    Atwater got runner up for def rookie of the year.
    
    		Tim

    Brucie,
    
    	The Donks were 8-8 last year.  Soooo, they won 3 more games
    than last year.  Besides, why does the coty have to go to the
    guy whose team had the best turnaround from the year before?
    To me, they're just rewarding mediocrity if that's the case.
    Maybe, if the coach inherited a team that had a mediocre record
    and then turned things around, then he would be deserving of
    coty.  
    
    jmfho.......amf,
    
    Claybone

    Reeves doesn't deserve the CoTY, after a 3 out of 4 slide in Dec. 
    But the UPI season poll said that Denver wouldn't finish higher than
    3rd in the AFC west. Also the BEST record in the AFC. 
    
    

    PittsburgH was considered the dormat after two games. They then went to
    1-3 before peenching their cheeks and winning some games. Plus, they
    come from a division that sent three teams to the playoffs and the
    fourth team in that division was better than all the teams in the Donks
    division.
    
    Reeves did a good job, but the Noll did a better one.
    
    JoJ

>    	The Donks were 8-8 last year.  Soooo, they won 3 more games
>    than last year.  Besides, why does the coty have to go to the
>    guy whose team had the best turnaround from the year before?
>    To me, they're just rewarding mediocrity if that's the case.
>    Maybe, if the coach inherited a team that had a mediocre record
>    and then turned things around, then he would be deserving of
>    coty.  
    
 Clay, you stated my point, exactly.  Reeves screwed up the Broncos
    last year, fixes the mistakes he made last year, and gets called
    coach of the year?  Like you say, they are rewarding mediocrity.
    Shottenheimer inherited a team that had a mediocre record and turned
    things around.  Like you said, he deserves COTY.  Maybe Shell, too. 

    Shottenhiemer took over a team that was a playoff WC before the strike
    year and added nothing new. All Marty did was re-organize the Chiefs
    into a team again. 

    Bruce,
    
     You can't possibly be serious about shell.  The Faiders were a
    sorry ball club before he came along and they're still sorry !
    
    HTH,
    
    Big Game

    Shell doesn't even deserve to be in this discussion.
    
    Noll is CotY no matter what UPI says.
    
    JoJ

    Bruce,
    
    	I'm not really backing Reeves as coty.  I do think they
    gave it to him for two reasons: 
    
    	1)  They have the best record in the AFC
    	2)  They did not vote him coty in a year in which he
    	    richly deserved it.  I think they were 13-3 and
    	    went to the bowl.  The year escapes me.  Whether
    	    this reason is right or wrong...................
    
    	I don't think Noll deserves it.  They were crappy under
    	*him* last year.  They manage to make the wildcard this year.
    	If they had won their division.......maybe.
    
    	I could be convinced Schottenheimer deserves it if I could
    	only remember their record last year.  But then again, they
    	didn't make the playoffs this year.
    
    	Shell?  Maybe if they had made the playoffs...
    
    	I guess I'm of the opinion that "to the victors, go the
    	spoils of war".
    
    Claybone

    
    I pretty much agree with what you said Clay.  Can't really say that
    there was one outstanding coach in the AFC.  Maybe that's why Reeves
    got it.

    HEY !!   
    
    That kinda sounds like a slam !!
    
    Big Game

    
    HEY !!
    
    It wasn't.

    Or is that Mr. Ed.......?
    
    
    B__ G___

    re .206
    
    	You're kidding me right!  I find it hard to believe they
    never gave him coty at least one of those years they won
    the S.B.  A massive error if it's true....
    
    re Jack
    
    	Did you forget to take your anti-ornery pill this morning?
    You, Suh, are in rare form today!
    
    amf,
    
    Claybone

    this is a continuation from the Steeler topic.....
    
    Jack, that's pretty bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!  I'll
    slap you so hard your grand kids will stutter!  I do, however,
    admire your bravery.  It must be tough going through life with
    only one gonad you twit.  Can everyone tell it's Friday in
    here?
    
    Claybone        many, many ;^)'s

    re a couple ago...
    
    
    it is true....Noll has never won the COTY award
    
    and why should Noll win?
    
    -  5-11 last year
    - entire new coaching staff this year (just like the donks)
    - humiliated the first 2 games of the year creating a pretty negative 
      attitude on team
    - remained optomistic (sp?) and brought the Steelers back into the
      playoffs
    - can jump tall buildings 
    - faster than a speeding train
    
    
    HTH

      Noll deserves squat!!  I can't say he got his team to the playoffs.
    It took the bengals loss to get them to the playoffs, among other
    teams losses.  It sounds like he did get ripped off during his SB
    years.  Did he get coach of the decade during 70's??  Is there such an
    award?
    
      Will there be a team that can beat Denver in the playoffs???  I
    thought not.  
    
      Did Sieferd win the NFC coach of the year??  If he did,  then I say
    someone else in the NFC got ripped off.  Like maybe the packers coach??
    Cant remember the name.  Seiferd took a powerhouse team over, plus  he
    already knew the system.  No nominations from me.
    
    
       I see a Broncos vs Browns rematch for AFC title.  What do ya thin
    Bobba lou???
    
    			Tim

    Infante got NFC CoY over Seifert.  I do think you overlooked Seifert's
    job, though.  He became only the second coach in history to improve
    a team's record after a SB victory (Noll is the other).  He improved
    the teams record by 2 games with a much more difficult schedule
    than last year's.  He also had several all pros sit out games with
    injuries this year (Michael Carter, Lott, Montana, Eric Wright) and
    has had a ton of other injuries (something a lot of people are
    overlooking on this 49er team).  Had Seifert won NFC CoY, he would
    not have ripped anyone off.  
             
    
    Bruce

    
    
    
    what do you think of the Steelers knocking off the Broncos?....
    
    Steelers are playing on a very high emotional level and the Broncos
    have lost their last 3 out of 4 (?)..... Could this be another '84
    game?

    
    I guess will see who''s the better coach come sunday. Another point
    to ponder is the respective ages of the teams. Reeves had an
    experienced group to work with, Noll is working with puppies.
    
    Steelers never give up can the same be said about the Donks? How many
    times have the Donks won coming from behind this year? 
    
    mike

    After Sunday, the Denver jackasses will have to BUY tickets for the
    Super Bowl.   Preciction:
    
                Steelers      14
    
                Jackasses     13
    
    
    JaKe
    
                                                    

    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict another Steeler victory.
    
    Hoge will rush for 150 yards and the Bubster will burn the Donks
    secondary for three TD's to Lipps.
    
    JoJ

    Thanks JoJ!  We'll be in the afc champeenship game for sure now!  ;^)
    
    I think the Donk D will hold the Steelers to 13 or 14 points.  I
    don't think Humphrey will have a good day.  The Steeler D is
    tough against the run.  Elway will have to pick up the slack.
    I hope Danny boy is working a little extra on the special
    teams........Woodson is a good return man.
    
    			Donks-24   Steelers-14
    
    Claybone

       Remember earlier this season?  The stellers will play better since
    they couldn't play worse than they did in the 34-7 romp. Denvers "D"
    will definitly keep booby in check.  I think Humphrey will run for at
    least 85 yards,  and elway will throw 3 tds!!
    
    
      The stellers aren't a bunch of pups, heck their defense is made up of
    a lot of vets.  The Broncos have 17 rookies on the roster this year,
    and alot of them are starters!!
    
    
    Broncs	27		Stellers	10
    
    
    			Tim

    
    Sorry Steven but I don't have the rosters and age statistic
    available...
    
    I know that the Donks have rebuilt and have some good young talent
    like Atwater and Humphries and may indeed be close to the age of the
    steelers over all. But lets focus on the skill posistions as I was
    and you have guys like Elway, the Amigos, Winder, Kay etc offensively,
    Meklenburg, Smith and a few other defensively.
    
    Lipps offensively is the only guy I can think of they may have playoff
    experience for the Steelers amoungst the starters.....
    
    true It has been alot longer for them to be in the playoffs than the
    Donks which has something to do with it too....
    
    Still say Noll had to comeback from alot farther than Reeves and of
    course in tougher division... ;^)
    
    mike
    

    
    
    re: Mike..
    
   > Still say Noll had to comeback from alot farther than Reeves and of
   > course in tougher division... ;^)
    
    That should probably read Toughest division, Mike.  I agree, Noll has 
    my vote for KOY.  Great job.   
    
    The Steelers should give a struggling Denver team a fairly good game Sunday
    but I tend to doubt they have enough to pull this one out.  
    
    Denver: 21, Pitts: 19.  
    
    

    
    Tougher division???  I surely question that!!  There is no tougher
    division than the AFC Central!!!  When you have to play the Browns
    twice in the same season...you get tougher yourself!  
    
    The Stellers will not win next week but then again...it doesn't
    	make much difference either...because...
    
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    	Baby Bruster will forget his rattle!
    
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    	The Donks have no D!
    
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    Claybone

    Hey Claybone,
    
     Nice reply a few back.  I was going to get in here and say "SORRY"
    about Friday, I was in rare form.  
    
     The Donks will pound the Squealers by 14 pts or better.  Can't wait
    to whip up on the Clowns in the Championship game,  if they make it
    that far.
    
    
    Big Game

    .

      The browns are bone bashers huh??  Does that mean theyre gay as in
    homo????  Now I heard Bernie baby is,  at least thats what Phil said.
    
      Watch for upsets this weekend.
    
      Rams over jints......Buffy over clowns.....
    
      No suprise games are,
    
      Denver over pitt.....9's over vikes....
    
    
       Hey Cacti,  When are we goin' to play another game??
    
    
    		Tim

My My, take 10 days off and I come back to 120+ replies in this note alone...

	CoTY:

	Reaves deseserves it. Period.  He rebuilt the team and over half
	the coaching staff.  Added 17 new players.  That is about 38% of
	the team.  He then took his team to the BEST record in the AFC.
	And all this after missing the playoffs the year before.  Yea,
	they were 1-3 in the last four, but never blown out, even with
	mostly second string players against San Diego.

	Noll deserves runner up.  Nothing more, nothing less.  If it was
	Coach of the last 12 games, maybe....but it isn't.  He got completly
	torn apart the first 2 games.  Granted, he managed to pull the Steelers
	back together in impressive fashion.  But after losing those first 
	by 90+ to 3????.... No way.


	Ed^2  :-)

    ed^2,
    
    
    broncoes finished losing 3 of 4.. was that bad coaching or just
    bad playing????
    
    Dinz
    

    re -2
    
    
    Noll rebuilt most of his coaching staff also.... he faced a team
    that got blown out in the first 2 games and brought them back. An
    advantage Reeves had is he had an established QB ... Brister was
    in his secod year of starting (first year 5-11).
    
    At the beginning of the season would you have included the Steelers
    in the playoffs? Im sure you would of included the Donks as I would
    of also. Noll deserved COTY. Reeves runner up.

    
    Touche Dinz,  what's your answer Ed^2?  ;^)
    
    on the money front the line started at 8 and has jumped to 10
    already...I like it when a line jumps like that cause usually
    when everybody and his brother jump on a team, said team faulters
    and the bookies clean house. Also it clearly puts the pressure
    on the donkeys, whom the public is saying can't be beat. Steelers
    on the other hand get fired up to prove the public wrong.....
    
    Steelers all the way!!!!
    
    mike

    re .221
    
    
    The Steelers are young.
    
    I beleive only Woodruff, Long, Lipps and Ilkin are left from the
    '84 playoff team. Woodruf is from the '79 superbowl team.
    
   
    With the exception of Mularky(sp?) the TE who came from Minny and
    a few others (Bryan Hinkle,etc..) the team is made up of rookies
    to 5 year players. I think that team is pretty young!   
    
    ill place the "starting" lineup of the Steelers and years service
    sometime today or late tomorrow

    Hey Whitehead
    
    It's not Bernie and the Bone Bashers,
    
    it's
    Bernie and the Bone
    BITERS !!!!!!!!
    
    Brown(spot)s will bite the big one this week
    
    Bills 30
    Mistakes from the lake   6
    
    JaKe
    

RE: .235
   
    
>    on the money front the line started at 8 and has jumped to 10
>    already...I like it when a line jumps like that cause usually
>    when everybody and his brother jump on a team, said team faulters
>    and the bookies clean house. Also it clearly puts the pressure
>    on the donkeys, whom the public is saying can't be beat. Steelers
>    on the other hand get fired up to prove the public wrong.....
    
Even though the Steelers should not have made the playoffs (look what
it took for them to make the playoffs), I've got this uneasy feeling
that they're going to give the Denver all it can handle.  Reeves said
last night that he was concerned about the team being motivated for the
game.  IMHO, this kind of game relies heavily on the coaching staff and
how they prepare their team for this type of game (heavily favored, at
home, beat 'em once already), and I see this as one of Reeves biggest
drawbacks as a coach.

This game will be closer than it should be:

Denver   17
Steelers 16


Dale

      The Stellers don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.  Both them and
    Houston proved that last sunday with the sloppy play.  I don't think it
    will be close.
    
    			Tim

    
    Will "Officer" Perry play?
    
    
    Denver fans must think this game is a lock. There are/were still 3,800
    tickets available. If not sold by 2:00 PM tomorrow the game will be
    blacked out.
    
                                                    HOOT
    

re: .240

Channel 4 out of Denver has said they will buy any remaining tickets
to ensure the game will be on TV.  I agree with you Hoot, the fans must
think this is a lock.  When was the last time Denver has failed to sell out??

Kevin

    	The Steel Curtain will crumble this week like the Iron Curtain
    did this year.
    
    				/Don

       Steel Curtain? I thought they changed the name to the 'cellophane'
    curtain in recent years.
                                 Denny

	I don't think the availability of tickets is an indication that the
fans think Denver will romp over the Steelers. I had heard nothing about the
avaiability of tickets until I saw today's paper. And they are making a big
deal that there are unsold tickets. People are so used to Donk games being sold
out (every game since back in the sixties except for a coulpe of strike games)
that it never occurred to them that there would be tickets available.

Mike JN

      It would only be blacked out in the Denver area right??  I would love
    to go to this game,  but the grinch stole my wallet during x-mas.
    
      Plus, nothing is a "lock"!!!  Anyone can be beat on any given day,
    but I still say the Broncos will win!   
    
    
      If you are looking at players at under 5 years experience,  then the
    Broncs have quite a few of those.  There aren't to many with more than
    5 yrs.
    
      Winder	Haynes
      Elway	Mecklenburg
      Bishop	Kay
      Kubiak	Dennison
      Townsend	Lanier
    
      I'm not sure about these guys,
    
      Sewell	Fletcher
      Robbins
    
      Dorrsett I don't count.  He's been with the team 2 yrs, and only
    played limited time for 1 yr.
      
           	Tim

    re Tim:
    
    This is the 6th year in the NFL for both Sewell and Fletcher, Robbins
    is in his 7th season.
    
    
    py

    
    Thanks Slasher, that's what I wanted to hear. Wasn't what is his
    name the big guy oh yeah JD telling me last week at the Bull to
    lay it with erlers?  ;^)
    
    I think he said lay it on the other game too...  ;^)
    
    keep your blue on....
    
    mike

    
    re; youth
    
    	Out of the Steeler's 11 draft picks this year, 10 ended up making
    the team.  Last year, at least 5 or 6 made it.  As stated earlier,
    Woodruff is the oldest steeler vet at 10 years of service.  I think
    the Steeler's are the youngest team in the league but I could be
    wrong.  Anyway, what's the big deal??  The Steeler's have a very
    young team that is just starting to come together.  They have nothing
    to lose, and everything to gain.  As long as they don't turn the
    ball over, they have an excellent chance in Denver.
    
    	As for COTY, Noll doesn't want it, so Reeves can have it.  Noll
    has stated many, many times that COTY is not his style.  Noll is
    a different kind of guy and true, not many players like him, but
    he does believe that the players deserve the attention and not the
    coach.  I have stated that it's kinda strange that a guy who took
    the worst team ever in the NFL to 4 superbowl titles in 6 years
    was never COTY.
    
    							bill..g.
    

    
    Steven, last week's game was indoors and the Steelers in an effort to
    workout in that atomosphere (ie. crowd noise no weather conditions)
    worked out in a local field house which was not as big as a normal
    football field. So it is an added hinderance to his preperation. Still
    though he is a Pro and should have hit a few. As it turned out they
    didn't need it anyways and hopefully he has save them long bombs
    for this sunday................
    
    Bubby will outplay what-his-name the donks QB....bank on it!
    
    mike

    
    Also This is Bubby's 4th year. second as a full time starter.....
    
    His lack of maturity they say slowed him down bit. They say he
    never met a woman or a beer he didn't like better than his playbook.
    Heck, that goes for this whole notesfiles with some noted exceptions...
    
    ;^)
    
    mike

    
    Mike, you forgot to mention that John Elway's football for nintendo is
    terrible... tecmo bowl is much better...  great game... I wonder
    what nes play action football is like...
    
    sorry i got off the subject...
    

    Hey Groaner,  
    
     I heard you were born off the subject   ;^)
    
     And hacthed at that.  Any truth to this ugly rumor ??
    
    Big Game

    
    Paul, 
    	My kids aren't old enough for Nitendo yet, thank god. We're still
    into Muppets and Dinsey.....
    
    	Even if they were do you think I'd spend money on a game backed
    by one of the dumbest man ever to play QB? What do want me to do stunt
    my kids growth?
    
    mike

    >.......still into Muppets and Dinsey......
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHA(tm)!  Dinsey, eh Mike?!  I always thought of Dinsey as
    entertaining, especially with his artistic use of the keyboard and 
    those hallugeons and his patented Go Whale!  And now, we find out that
    there's yet another dimension to this fine human being, a child
    entertainer!
    
    Hmmmmmmm, now that I think of it, have you ever seen ol' Dinsey and Pee
    Wee Herman together in the same place?
    
    many :-) 's
    
    Hawk

    Hawk,  I'm Rolling......   That was a good one.  Thanks for a
    good start to what should prove to be a shitty day..
    
    Big Game

      The game won't be blacked out.  There are only 250 tickets left
    (singles), and the NBC station in Denver will buy what is left.  So
    another sell-out for the books.
    
    		Tim

    
    Bubby baby will spend most of his day with his face in the prescription
    athletic turf at Mile-Hi.  A long day for the Brister-man.
    
    The steelers will be able to run the ball, but will fall so far behind
    that they will be forced to pass.  Thats when the fun begins for Meck,
    Fletcher, Carraker, Holmes, and Brooks.
    
    Denver 28  Pitts 10
    
    Next stop will be the Bills.  The Browns will pull off the big choke at
    home.  Anyway, they don't want to lose to Denver in another AFC
    Championship.
    
    
    Russ

      Mike,  Since when have been a Pitt fan??  Or is it more like,  you
    root for any team that plays against the Broncos??
    
      Russ,  I hope your wrong on the "pitt will be able to run the ball
    well", but I do hope your right about the stellers falling far behind.
    
      Does anyone have the injury report for this weekend??
    
    
    		Tim

    
    re: about the last 50
    
    	Now I see why so many noters in SPORTS hate the Bronco's...and
    next unseen this note (me included).

    re .261
    
    	We Donk fans are dearly hurt..........
    
    Claybone

Why is it that fans of some teams talk intelligently about their teams and fans
of other teams feel the need to talk sh*t about other teams ?

Is it some inferiority complex ?

You've got Steelers,Bronco,Oiler,Cleveland and (some) raiders fans who just
spew garbage all day. Most of the fans from other teams talk about things 
pertaining to their team such as strategy and injuries.


Why ?


metz

    
    	Metz,
    
    	It's the bell curve distribution theory as it relates to
    	IQ's of sports fans........
    
    Claybone

Mr. Ed goes down for the last time sunday.. Reeves has to shoot him at the half!

    Metz....
    
     Why do you care ??  I guess Broncos fan are just a little 
    more emotional than others.  I consider my self one of those
    fans that "SPEW GARBAGE" all day long. So what your point ??
    Also,  there are fans from all teams that "SPEW GARBAGE" and
    there are may Bronco fans that talk FACKS(tm) about the Donks.
    If you and the other folks don't like, Use the next unseen
    key.  I don't know how many time you people have to be told 
    this........  You know,  there are so many notes in this conference
    that I consider "JUNK" but you don't hear me B*tching, do ya !!
    
    HTH
    
    Big Game

I do use next unseen Jack,

 I've been using it so often that my little mouse's ball is becoming quite warn 
out. Lately I've been using it almost every note. You know what jack ? Every 
time I hit next unseen I get garbage or soapbox spewing out onto my screen.
 I thought this was sports not garbage. Some of the personal attacks that have
been going on here lately are getting out of control. Telling people that they
are full of feces isn't exactly sporting Jack. Let's not all get so high and
mightly hiding behind the screen that we forget that there are other people
on the other side of the terminal that might be hurt by personal attacks.

 o.k Jack ?

 Metz who longs for the good old days of sports....Or at least to have 
 MC start up his individualized sports conferences (hint,hint mike)

I'm in full agreement with Metz.  I'm wading through 200 new notes a day and
they're all fans of the only four teams in football (if you read this
conference) calling each other assholes.  It's boring, annoying, and
inappropriate.  If it was kept to one note, I wouldn't mind it.  But it's EVERY
DAMN note.  I always dread when Denver makes the playoffs because this notes
file becomes a toilet in dire need of flushing.

Try and think of the other side of the coin.  Those who don't give a half a
shit about all this drivel.  Start an "Official Football Drivel" note and call
each other names there.  That way I'll only have one note to set to permanently
seen.

j.

    Metz,
    
     Sorry !!!!!!   I wasn't aware that I had really offended anyone.
    I guess that I just think that most normal people take whats written
    in here with a grain of salt.  Guess it's going to be another
    early retirement for Big Game this year.....  Later !
    
    Big Game

      Re-8 or so,  All these notes are garbage as well as this one.  I do
    agree that there is way to much bs in here,  but its usually some anti
    bronco fan thats starts the bs.
    
       Does anyone have the injury report for the game this weekend????????
    
    
      Tim,  The guy who doesn't have time to read 200+ notes/day

     You Guys are all correct.  I don't know why I hadn't seen the light 
    earlier.  These "JUNK NOTES" are never any fun.  They frustrate me
    so bad I go home with a pain in my gut every day.  I take this stuff 
    so serious, I may have to see my shrink about it.  We need to educate
    the rest of the noting public about the dangers of "JUNK NOTES". 
    After all,  god forbid that anyone have any fun unless everyone,
    even those that don't particpate, agree that it is fun.  You guys
    slay me.
    
    Later,
    
    Big Game

    Before I start, I'm sure you're all aware that I'm as guilty
    the next guy when it comes to entering junk notes.  Usually it
    is in response to an antogonistic note.  I know, I know, turn
    the other cheek.......
    
    The sports note world according to Clay:
    
    The SPORTS note is sort of like the corner bar where people with
    different allegiances gather to talk about their favorite team
    or sport.  Invariably, rivalries arise.  Debates ensue sometimes
    to the point where even a guy's manlihood is questioned (usually
    in fun).  The point is, that this is to be expected when people
    of differing opinions gather.  It's natural!  I find most of
    junk notes amusing.  They lighten up an otherwise serious day
    at work.
    
    I don't see the SPORTS note changing from it's current personality.
    All the ingredients are there for debates, sometimes heated, to
    take place.  A few folks complain, things calm down for a while,
    then somebody will enter a reply that criticizes someone's favorite
    team or player and the whole cycle starts over again.  The way I
    see it, and don't get me wrong Jeff Needle, but maybe you should
    abstain from the SPORTS note if the junk notes upset you as much
    as it appears.  The reason I say abstain is that I don't think
    you can control it.  It's gonna happen over and over as long as
    people have different opinions.  
    
    The SPORTS note has a unique atmosphere that I enjoy.  I don't
    mind hitting next unseen.
    
    my 1.28's worth,
    
    Claybone

     I hope this doesn't ruin the cedibility of Clay's note;
    
     Well said Clay...  I think you hit on just about every point.
    
    Big Game 

    Personally, I find the sports notes very entertaining.
    
    BTW,  Browns over Donks. (It's destiny)
    
    Bill

      Jack,  Lurn how to spell!!!!!!   It sounds/reads like your keyboard
    is studdering.   Now smile Jack,  it was meant as constructive
    criticism.  Did I spell that right?   Anyway,  I see I'm a junky as
    well.  So cheers to that!!!!
    
      And another thing,  The Broncos are gonna kick the Stellers a$$ on
    Sunday!!!!!!!!
    
      Where are the parties?????
    
      Jack,  Lets play Football on the 13th, unless that wimpy girly mon
    Joj has had enough.....
    
    
    				Tim..Who knows how to party!!!

     Alas....  I too used to find ::SPORTS interesting but
    the few, the Proud, the serious noters have raised their
    ugly heads in protest once again.  Say good bye to the 
    good old days of actually having fun in this conference.  
    Say hello to noting with you grandma.  After all,  We all
    know that Big Mac, Steven and the Metz are the most 
    intelligent, informed and classyest noters in ::SPORTS
    if not the entire network. Keep up the good work guys 
    and congrats.
    
    
    The Kinder&Gentler Big Game
    
    Yea, Thats right !!

     I'll try to put together a Kinder&Gentler(tm) football
    game on the 13th.....  I am sure that JoJ will come to
    play with us Kinder&Gentler folks.....  after all, we 
    wouldn't hurt anyone, we don't even talk bad to eachother
    in ::SPORTS anymore.   ;^)
    
    Big Game
    
    
     Yea, I'm doing it again. This Kinder&Gentler(tm) stuff is 
    loads of fun ain't it !!

    
    Metz,
    I was going to stay out of this but this kinda chapped my hide. Yes, I
    get tired of some of the BS also but two of your replies don't make
    sense. In .266 you insult several people with your "inferiority
    complex" comment. Then you name several groups of people, including 
    "some RAIDERS fans", that "spew garbage all day". If you are referring to
    me, I think you are full of shit (apparently that is now an acceptable
    phrase in here, a moderator used it). Most of what I put in here is
    info or defending myself or said info from attacks. If you aren't
    referring to me then accept my apology. Now we move to .270, a mere 4
    replies later, you are preaching about people that "might be hurt by
    personal attacks". Is this a don't do as I do, so as I say type of
    preaching?
    
                                                   HOOT
     

    Hoot, Hoot, Hoot,
    
     I think you have stumbled on to something there.  Although I 
    now have converted to the Kinder&Gentler(tm) side of this
    issue it is very obvious that Metz has a slight case of "Foot
    In Mouth".  Being of the Kinder&Gentler group(tm), I wouldn't jump
    at this chance to RIP METZ TO SHREADS but I wouldn't be suprised
    is some of the other "Animals" in the conference had a field day.
    Oh well,  Some people will always be above reproach, Metz *MAY*
    be one of them.....
    
    Big Game
    
    That right, another pile of PUKE in my office... This is slaying me !

No, I won't abstain from SPORTS but thanks for the suggestion.  You see, I'm a
moderator and have been for a couple of years.  So I get the hate mail from
people when the few obnoxious noters take over the file.  In this case, the
very vocal minority are pissing off the vast majority.  So it merits
discussion.  It doesn't make me particularly happy to read this file at 6:30
and then find 65 more unseen notes at midnight.  And then I find out they're
just more crap.

Why can't you folks just take a hint?  The time is ripe for a Broncos file
where you can all insult each other in your own private sandbox without forcing
this drivel down hundreds of others throats.

As for the injury report (if you don't mind a serious note - I'll try and throw
in something offensive near the end):


DENVER BRONCOS - *Starting strong safety Dennis Smith (neck),
reserve wide receiver Ricky Nattiel (knee) and reserve cornerback
Mark Haynes (ankle) missed the Chargers' game but are expected to
be available for Sunday's game versus Pittsburgh. Reserve defensive
end Jake McCullough (hip), starting running back Tony Dorsett (knee
surgery), starting center Bill Bryan (knee surgery), reserve
linebacker Randy Thornton (knee) and reserve nose tackle Andrew
Provence (hip) are on the injured reserve list and will miss the
remainder of the season.  

    
    
    having never been in Denver all I hear about in Pittsburgh is the
    air being thinner and could cause a problem for the Steelers.
    
    Is the air that different?
    
    well anyway I still have a feeling that the Steelers are going to pull
    this one off... the Steelers have so much confidence now that it is
    scary.... what could be a big difference (and this is what happened to
    the '84 Bronco team) is that they are already thinking about next weeks
    game
    
    

    
    SOOOOOOO, ARE YOU SAYING MY NOTES ARE JUNK???
    
    Lets see a list of the people you think are causing the problem...
    
    I happen to like the Browns and will support them till the end!
    If you don't like it...tell me how you feel.  If you don't care...
    THEN DON'T READ IT!  I'M NOT FORCING YOU TO READ ANYTHING I SAY!
    
    and if you don't want to hear anything else...then don't go on...
    
    	The Browns and the Donks (does that offend anybody?) have the
    	best records in the AFC...it would be a shame if these two...
    	wonderful (K&G) teams don't play each other in the campionship
    	game...I do like the Donks, it just so happens that I think
    	the Browns have been the better team every time they lose...
    	I know many, many other people who feel the same.
    
    
    	Man, this is crap...If I can't say what I want...then why 
    	bother....
    
    	If something isn't done soon.....I'm outa here...
    
    	ARF!
    

    HAHAHAHAHAHA(tm)!  This slays me!  Less than six months ago, there was
    a very similar circumstance here in SPORTS where one single noter (no
    name needed, no offense intended!) started a junk note/r purge movement
    and actually got many of the guilty (me included) to reform somewhat!
    Now, I'm on the "outside looking in", and am finding this quite
    amusing, especially the last dozen or so (kinder/gentler) junk notes!
    
    Anyway, Steven hit it exactly right, I think.  The "crap" is easily
    tolerable if it's kept to one note only, 2 max.  Especially since the
    range of active notes lately is small, seeing the very same "crap" in 4
    notes magnifies the whole thing.
    
    And this is not a knock on you particular junk noters that caused this
    latest purge movement, 'cause far be it from me, Hawk John Szabo, Junk
    Noters Anonymous President and Treasurer, to pass judgement, just gas!
    
    Hope this helps.
    
    Hawk

Why doesn't everyone stop for a second, take a deep breath, and get real.

First off, according to the last RossIndex(tm), I am the greatest
Junk noter of all time.  That, I feel, gives me some authority to
speak.

A)  I like the concept of SPORTS as your local tavern.  However, I do
    feel that when the bartender/bouncer (ie. moderator) says to cool
    it (i.e. nothing personal but this example:  "Arf Arf Oilers suck"
    400 times merits a cool-it) then we should cool it.

B)  On the other hand, I'm am not satisified with the new moderator
    structure.  In the old file, Jeff and MC were moderators.  There
    were few enough moderators that a policy statement was not need,
    nor a statement of interpretation of policy.  
	
    Moderators are like referees.  They are there to enforce the rules,
    but have some leeway in the how tight or how loose the rules will
    be.  

    At this point in time we have at least 7 moderators (I didn't count
    before editing this reply).  And I feel that we have 7 different 
    interpretations of the rules.

    Some want it tight, with no junk at all (kind of like the guy on the
    corner of the bar who wants to commiserate by himself about his wife
    leaving him, and he doesn't want to hear the guys down the bar arguing
    about whether or not Tony Eason wears Leggs or Haines...), and others
    are willing to let a lot of stuff go.



What am I getting at?  A two-point plan:

	1) The noters take a little more care with the amount of
           Junk noting that goes on.  While sending the same drivel
           through mail is probably just as much of an abuse of the e-net
           at least a lot of folks in here won't get pissed off.

       	2) The moderators should get together, decide what they are going
           to do in terms of policy, and not deviate from that on a 
           personal basis.  Communication among moderators is key (at least
           that's what I've found in conferences that I moderate with
           multiple moderators).


Finally, no personal shots are intended here.  Hopefully I've highlighted
the relevant points, and we can all seek a level where everyone is 
satisified....

Humbly submitted,
frank

    RE:: Schramm
    
    Is the air any different ?
    
    The 68 Mexico city olympics were at about 6000 ft. and there was a long
    jump recorded that probably occurred because of thin air.
     
    In Mile Hi the air is filthy and thin after a single 100yd wind sprint
    most football type of atheletes have a burn in the back of their throat
    that just won't stop until a mask of pure oxygen is put on. 
    
    If Dan Reeves plays his game plan against a better team ala (Giants)
    they are completely worn out after 3 quarters. 
    
    Jeff

    re: Schramm
    
     Not that it's gonna make any difference....  The Broncos
    out class the Steelers,  theres no way they can lose.
    
    KG_Big Game

    Jeff,
    
    	Alright then.  You're the moderator.  DO THE RIGHT THING.  Lay
    	down the rules.  I'll follow them.  If you can get everybody
    	else to do the same, I nominate you for president of the U.S.A.  
    	Keep in mind though, one man's "crap", is another man's attempt
    	at expressing his opinion..........
    
    Chainsaw,
    
    	I agree 100%.....
    
    amf,
    
    Claybone_who_will_be_in_training_all_day   :-(
    
    

    First of all - perhaps a playoff note, one for the NFC and AFC,
    should have been started, and hopefully, folks could have had the
    pissing contests there.  
    
    Second - every year at this time this happens - the NFL playoffs
    cause more emotional outbursts then the WOrld Series, the Stanley
    Cup, the 88 Olympics, and usually the NBA finals.  By Feb 1, the
    file will really quiet down.  Always happens.
    
    But I agree, the same *exact* notes are usually found in the Browns,
    the  Oilers, the Broncos notes.  
    
    JD

>No, I won't abstain from SPORTS but thanks for the suggestion.  You see, I'm a
>moderator and have been for a couple of years.  So I get the hate mail from
>people when the few obnoxious noters take over the file.  


	Sometimes people forget that this file gets read by many more people
then the few who enter notes and replys.  I think back and can't
believe some of the downright stupid things people have entered.  I'm 
not realy talking about junk noting here, most of them were offensive in 
some way.  'Dirty' jokes, lewd comments, insulting remarks, and slanderous 
statements, that don't belong in a public forum.  Someone enters something
offensive then someone sends hate mail to the moderator.  He/She has to delete 
the note, or try to work out some issue between noters, or some other task 
that he/she hates doing.  Sometimes you feel the complaint isn't legitimate, 
and you try to express that to complaintant, hoping that others (personel, 
your manager, the other employes' manager) will think the same.  Any ways 
'nuff ramblin. Just ask yourself this when you enter a note - 

Would I post this on the bulletin board in the lobby?   If you wouldn't then 
you should probably not enter it.  Sports (like most notesfiles) has that kind 
of exposure, to that broad an audience.

Mike

    re...a few back...
    
    	someone gave the impression that "ARF ARF Oilers S**k"  This
    is not true...I am one of the few that does not use the word.  
    I also know how to spell.  It doesn't bother me though.  Spell
    my name as you wish...I'm used to the ribbing...being a browns fan.
    
    	by the way...I never asked to be a moderator!!!
    
    
    	A note came out asking for a listing of the different nodes...
    	I listed mine.  I didn't ask to be a moderator and I don't use
    	the athority.  I say...say what you want...but...no dirty
    	language!
    
    	ARF  The one that didn't say the S word!

    First of all, I agree with ClayWad's comments. Geez, if me, Clay, Hoot,
    Jack, etc...took this seriously, we'd all be meeting in the parking lot
    after work and beating the crap out of each other.
    
    Secondly, Jack "Big_Game" Hunter...you could relax and be a little less
    antagonistic regarding the "facist moderators". It doesn't mean you
    can't have fun, or harrass someone. But, realistically, how many
    "Browns suck, Donks suck, Oilers suck, Steelers suck" notes do we need.
    In fack(tm), why not just say the AFC Central sucks and be done with
    it.
    
    Third, to the other moderators....maybe we could just let some of this
    stuff slide. I started the Noriega stuff...I know it doesn't belong in
    sports, so I stopped. I was just kidding around with my friend, Dan. He
    knows where I'm coming from and I know where he's coming from. No big
    deal. Just having some fun. I think if we can just let everyone have
    some fun, everything will be alright. That is, let's not overreact over
    some of the comments made by some of the noters.
    
    To be honest, if the Jets were in the playoffs I'd probably be doing
    some serious junk noting ala the browns/donk/oiler/steeler fans.
    
    I guess all I'm saying is that the moderators and the junk noters both
    need to give each other a little breathing room. We don't want to make
    this conference too restrictive in terms of what kind of notes you can
    put in, and , we don't want it filled with junk either. How bout both
    the moderators and the junk noters be just a little more understanding
    of each other and I think we'll all get along just fine.
    
    Sincerely,
    
    JoJ

re Steven:

	First, I wasn't singling your observation as the basis
	for my comment about tight vs loose.  I was commenting
	on the overall nature of people's views regarding the issue.

	
re Mr Whitehair (sorry don't know your first name):

	I didn't mean to implicate that my "Arf arf oilers s..." was
	your comment.  It was meant to incorporate all the various
	comments into one...  Hope you didn't take it personally.


I guess what I was getting at is that this file is a microcosm of
life itself.  The one word that applies to every kind of society
is *compromise*.  There are days when I just feel like flying off
the handle and interspersing the f word liberally into my speech.
There are days when I get so fed up with some of the motorists on 
the way to work that if I had an M60 I could rack up a high body
count.

Fortunately, in our society things like that are frowned upon, so
I have to compromise and deny my basest animal instincts.

In here, we do, as has been said previously, have to be careful.
We are *lucky* to have this forum.  The bulletin board example
is really a good yardstick...

So, I hope I haven't given anyone the impression that I was singling
them out, and I do feel that we have a GREAT forum here, let's keep
it GREAT.

Okay, okay.

Chainsaw

    
    Sorry "Big Mac"...I must have missed the want to be a moderator
    part...
    
    
    	The point is...I DO NOT USE THAT TYPE OF LANGUAGE!!!  usually.
    
    	The other point...I don't need these kinds of head games...
    Please take me off the moderator status...give it to a true
    K&G man!
    

    JoJ,
    
    Obviously, the people who are in here alot know when others are just
    kidding around.  The problems come when people who aren't regular
    readers get a dose of some of this stuff; whether or not it is directed
    at them specifically.
    
    Here is another suggestion:  If you want to just "yank someone's
    chain", or discuss something with someone in particular, just type SEND
    at the NOTES> prompt and it will put you into MAIL.  Keep the
    notesfiles to stuff everyone is interested in, and use MAIL for what
    should be one-on-one matters.

Well, Hello everyone.

	I haven't been noting as much as I'd like.... but I see it's that time
of year again.

	Some of the suggestions seem pretty reasonable, such as thinking of
this notesfile as a community bulletin board. Some of the suggestions are less
so, such as only putting in notes which would interest everyone. I was a little
surprised to see the regular noters in 4 or 5 football notes singled out as the
culprits when it comes to junk noting. I've exchanged a few barbs with one or
another of `the enemy' on occasion, but I don't really try to make a habit of
it. Is it possible that some people have stiffened appendages for the Donks,
Browns.. etc.?

	The reason I ask, is that it seems that the majority of notes are of
the same stripe. Every note isn't going to appeal to `everyone'; and there are
certainly a lot of `argument' and `ribbing' type notes that have nothing to do
with the Broncos: Jimmy Clang, the Bird Jihad, Sorryxcuse, Clemson Refs, Bobby
(where are all the chairs?) Knight, Dean (I could win a title if I really
WANTED to)  Smith, DEVILS, The Slasher's newest videos, Chainsaw's newest TV
cutie, Red Sox park effects, and the Yankme's Mr. Spleenbender, Jose (I got a
hunert phones in my bathroom) Canseco, Ricky (pass the mustard) Henderson.... I
could go on forever. The thing is, that stuff is fun! It's what THIS Notesfile
is all about!

	I think what is tightening some jaws, is not Junk Notes, per se...
because as has been mentioned, there's always Nexted Unseen. I suspect it's
because people don't WANT to Nexted Unseen. Most people kind of LIKE some junk
noting... poking a little fun, lightening up their day. What is locking jaws is
when the `you sip, he sips, they sip' crap goes on and on incessantly, back and
forth, over and over.

	I think that's the main gripe, and I think it's a valid complaint. I've
gotten carried away on occasion and contributed to the malady, but I resolve to
try and put a lid on it for the future.

	The reason I wanted to speak up, is that I think there's a real
possibility of people getting urinated and saying `okay, I'm outta here...
nobody wants to have fun'. I don't think that's the case, and I feel it will
only take a minor adjustment on anyone's part to get things back on track.

Mike JN

    JoJ, nothing would please me more than to read a note about you, Jack,
    Hoot, and some others beating the crap out of each other in the parking
    lot after work!  :-)
    
    I say, the point's been made.  I think that everyone, junk noters and
    moderators alike, understand and are ready to go on.  
    
    SO, LET'S STOP ALL THIS PHILOSOPHICAL TOMFOOLERY AND GET BACK TO
    ABNORMAL, OK?
    
    H'awk

    In order for Pittsburgh to win Sunday the Defense has to play a career
    game. Denver will not give up on the run the way Houston did. Denver is
    very comfortable playing smash ball up the middle all afternoon. 
    
    Denver's Defense can stop Worley and Hoge. 
    
    Offense;
    Denver 7th   Pittsburgh 14th
    
    pass, 
    Denver 11th  Pittsburgh 14th
    run, 
    Denver 4th   Pittsburgh 9th
    
    Defense;
    Denver 2nd   Pittsburgh 10th
    
    pass, 
    Denver 2nd   Pittsburgh 10th
    run, 
    Denver 1st   Pittsburgh 9th
    
    Jeff             

    First, in ref to JoJ's .300,   CONGRATS!!  :*)
    
    Second, I couldn't believe the replies in this note!  I was busy
    for awhile, and just stumbled into a pile (40 or so) replies that
    have been written since I was last in here.
    
    JD had a valid point, in that this happens every year, doesn't really
    matter which teams are in the playoffs.  And, it does pretty much
    die away right after the SB.  And, every year someone takes offense
    and tries to change things.  Let's just face the fact that this
    is a truly cyclical occurrance.  It, too, shall pass.
    
    In the meantime, unwind a bit, put your feet up on the desk, and
    try to see the hilarity in many of these junknotes.  If you can't,
    then please don't get uptight over it.  Remember, this is SPORTS,
    and that's supposed to be a fun thing you do in you LEISURE.
    
    Lee, who's been known to drop a junker in here now and then.  :*)
    
    And now, back to SPORTS, please.

Although I don't get into this conference as much as I once did (and
therefore have lots of unseen notes to read), it IS frustrating to
have to 'next unseen' through so many notes.  And the problem with
'NUing' is that you might miss some serious conversation about the
note you're reading.  As others have said, this usually happens this
time of year (regardless of who's in the playoffs) and will eventualy
die off, but for the occasional reader, it gets to be a real pain
in the ass.

I second the suggestion of creating a 'drivel' note...perhaps even
a football drivel, baseball drivel, etc.  That way we'd have the
best of both worlds: occasional readers could set drivel notes
permanently seen, but participants could drivel themselves to death!

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

It looks like Gerald Perry is progressing faster than anticipated
from his ankle injury, and might even see some playing time.  Look
for the Steelers to give the Broncs all they can handle, but Reeves
is NOT letting them forget what happened the last time the Steelers
came to town for a playoff game.

Dale

      I didn't know Mr (I didn't touch her) Perry was even hurt.  Is that
    still the same injury he had from the Giants game??
    
      I hope you K&g folks are done with the dribble.  I will "try" to be a
    K&g if it really means that much too everyone.  If not,  then I will
    stay with my "normal" style.
    
      Anyway,  What is the bottom line for this non_yet-sellout??  Will
    there be a blackout??  I just can't see that happening,  plus I don't
    know any Pueblo bars for viewing this one if it is real.
    
      BTW.....TGIF	And Go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    		Tim

    
    Perry sprained his ankel in practice last week. He is currently listed
    as "questionable". My opinion: he will start.
    
    There will be no black-out. Denver Ch. 4 bought the remaining 250 or so
    tickets. A good point was made in today's paper about this. Channel 4
    didn't buy the tickets just because they are such nice guys. If the
    game were blacked-out, Ch. 4 stood to lose out on allot of money from
    local sponsors. It was cheaper for them to buy the tickets and give
    them to employees and Boys Club type of organizations than lose all of
    that advertising money.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    Hoot,
    
     Any moron can figure that out...   Ahh,  that probably why
    you did.  ;^)  Sorry,I just couldn't pass that one up.
    
    KGBGH

    Will now it's up to the Donk's to see if they will get another
    shoot at the Cleveland Browns.  
    
    Denver may think they will be able to just walk over the Steelers.
    That could be their down fall.  
    
    It could be two AFC Central teams playing for the AFC title.
    

    BRING.....ON......THE......PUPPIES!!!!!!
    
    

	Official Request to keep this note discussing football and
strategies for upcomig games. I'm creating an official Browns at
Broncos rivalry note - please bash and bark over there...

	Jim M

Well the Broncos pulled off yet another late win.  Have to tip my hat to the
Steelers and the way Brister played.  Save for the last minute fumble by Brister,
they played a pretty flawless game.

The offense played pretty well considering they were playing catch-up all game.
What a hit Elway took though.  I thought for sure he wasn't going to get up.

Can't say the same for the Denver defense though.  It's easy to understand the
Steelers surprisng Denver in the first-half, but why Denver didn't adjust after
half-time is a mystery.  I hope Phillips has the defense better prepared for the
Cleveland game...speaking of which...

Broncos-Browns III...should be another classic.  Neither one of the defense's
have played well lately so look for another high-scoring game.

Denver to pull out another close one over the Browns:

Broncos   31
Browns    27


Dale

    
    Hi Jack here I am bright and early and let me tell ya the crow sucks...
    The Donks to their credit got just enough big plays to earn the win...
    Of course I must cast some sourgrapes or it wouldn't be right? SOmebody
    got the penality stats? I know that the Steelers received atleast 10 to
    1 at one point. Why was it ok for all that movement at the goal line
    on the donks' first TD, yet everytime a Steeler even scratched himself
    they got flag for moving? Walsh's attemp to cover up the the blown call
    was feeble at best, a defensive lineman can move laterally before the
    ball is snap but the offensive lineman certainly can't. On the Worley
    fumble why no review? I never say the ball come out before he hit the
    ground. None of the reviews that I saw were conclusive enough to over
    rule the call but who knows? Maybe we get a guy in the booth with a
    soft spot for Pitt and he overturns it who knows, it has happen before?
    GreenBay|Chicago I I believe.... I know in my heart though had that
    been Bob Humphries he would have been called down on contact.
    
    What a shame they pushed your vaunted defense all over the field all
    day long if I was a denver fan I'd be worried.....although the Browns
    are shaky at best.....
    
    mike
     

      It wasn't the best lookin' win of the year,  but definitly one of the
    more exciting wins.  I swear,  being a Bronco fan takes years off your
    life with the up & down way of playing that this team always does.
    
      I give the Steelers credit,  I saw them walk all over the Bronc
    defense.  That was a site I didn't care to see.  They have to do a
    better job against the dawgs,  or they will be bit.
    
      What a hit on Elway!!  I'm sure he'll be in the whirlpool today.
    
      Actually,  I thought this was one of the better refed games I've seen
    yet.  Sure there are always "questionable" calls,  but there weren't as
    many as usual.
    
      The big question of the season:::   Can Elway throw a 3 yard screen
    pass???
    
     Answer::::    NOOOOOO!!!!
    
    
      The Biff still had a good day.  The Steeler d wasn't that impressive, 
    but did do ok.
    
       Hey Whitehair,  Bring on the dawgs!!!  Should be another classic AFC
    champ game.  Maybe the dawgs won't get away with sooooo many late hits
    like they did against the Bills.
    
      Has anyone heard the line on this one yet??
    
    
    		Tim

    
    	Whew!  Man, what a game.  My wife had to keep me from jumping
    	through the TV tube to recover that fumble with 2 minutes
    	left.
    
    	The D got pushed around pretty bad.  That Hoge guy is great.
    	The Steelers should be tough next year.  Somebody should
    	give Bubby a pill before each game to calm him down.  
    
    	Is Elway a heartbreaker or what.  He scrambles 32 yards, then
    	throws an interception.  Overall, he played pretty good.  The
    	O got it done when they had to.  Seems like they always wait
    	until they HAVE to.  What's the deal with tight ends moving
    	before a snap?  I've seen quite a few instances, not just Kay,
    	where a TE moves prior to the snap and no penalty is called.
    
    	Great games this weekend, with the exception of S.F.-Minny.....
    
    amf,
    
    Claybone

    
    	Denver got beat bad yesterday. They shouldn't be advancing this
    weekend. Unless Wade Phillips does one hell of a turn-a-round w/
    the D, the Spots will be going to the bowl. I'm embarrassed to be
    a Donk fan.
    
    Todd

    re: any line yet?
    
    DENVER  4  Cleveland
    SAN FRAN  7  LA Rams
                                        Denny

     What a GAME !!!   Typical Bronco Foot-A-Ball  !!!
    Elway looks like he might be coming out of his slump
    just in time for the bigest game of his career.  Thats
    right folks....  The biggest game of his career.  I 
    think if Elway and the Donks make it past the Clowns
    this young team will have the confidence to go along
    with the talent and that should make them a threat for
    sometime to come.  
    
    
    Bring On The Clowns !!!!!
    
    Go Broncos !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Big Game

    >	What's the deal with tight ends moving
   > 	before a snap?  I've seen quite a few instances, not just Kay,
   > 	where a TE moves prior to the snap and no penalty is called.

See past notes on Hometown Refs, Traveling Refs, Donk's at home!!!

The Donk's did not play very well yesterday and they will be Killed playing
like that when the Super Bowl Bound Browns come to town!!!!!

Monty    

    	

     Give it a rest Monty,  The Broncos scored when they had
    to.  I really think they showed the poise and talent that
    will carry them pat the CLOWNS and on through the SB.
    
    Big Game
    
    GO BRONCOS !!!

    Hey Toad,
    
    	The only thing that counts is the scoreboard.  I don't think
    	Pittsburgh was given enough credit before the game.
    
    Monty,
    
    	Give it a rest.  There have been many instances where TE's
    	from all over the league moved before the snap but no
    	penalty was called.  I was asking for a clarification.
    	Oh John Hendry, are you out there?
    
    Claybone

    
    TE moves, especially when he is blocking before the ball is snapped is
    an illegal procedure penalty, 5 yards automatic, no play. It was 3rd
    down also.
    
    
    I heard a rumor that Wade Phillips will take his daddy's old job in
    Houston.

    re:.328
       Poor Wade!
                                       Deny

    
    The tightend can move but not forward as was the case yesterday....
    
    you guys slay me your team was badly beaten yesterday and you call it
    a great win. Todd and Steven are the only realist amoung you. Todd
    layed out and Steven refrained from saying anything.
    
    Fact: going in Denver had the number 1 afc defense...
    
    Fact: Pittsburg had the worst offense in the league....
    
    Fact: Pittsburg made the defense look like a HS defense all game...
    
    Fact: you guys better worry, you may get by the Browns whose defense
    looks like a sieve also but do really think against the NFC you can
    get away with it? just call in the score.....
    
    mike

    Cleveland vs. Denver for the AFC?
    
    I'm gettin' my butt outta SPORTS for 1 week.
    
    Mark.

    Denver took the first half in the Teef. Made some adjustments then took
    most of the second half on their butts. The Defense never pressured
    Bubby. The Offense had one play all day long that was a 30 yarder to
    Jackson, Johnson or Young. 
    
    I hope the team wakes up and smells the Dawg pound brewing the coffee.
    Because Denver has not played inspried football since the Seattle
    game. 
    
    Jeff

    Now that I've gotten a ruling from informed sources such as Hoot
    and Mikey Childs....................I think I'll see if John Hendry
    will answer the question in the miscellaneous questions note!  I'm
    sure he is "next unseen'in" this note this week.
    
    Mike C.,
    
    I thought I called it pretty good in .319.  I never said it was
    a GREAT win.  But, it was a great win.  We're still in the 
    running.  I'm tempted to resort to asking you where the jints
    will be next week, but I won't...........;^)
    
    amf,
    
    Claybone

     Hey Mikey,
    
     Sorry but I don't buy your comentary on the Bronco Game.
    Yesterdays game was a GREAT win for the Broncos.  In FACK(tm)
    it put them in the AFC Championship game which is more than
    can be said for the Squealers.  Yea, the Broncos looked 
    sluggish but they were coming off a 2 week layoff.  The 
    offense showed signs of waking up and all i can say is I 
    would hate to be the Dawgs come next Sunday in Denver.
    To take off on Riggens Title;
    
    		The Drive,  The Fumble,  The Bernnie Intro.....
    
     Thats Right,  this year the Clowns demise will rest squarely on
    the sholders of Bernie "I shoulda wore a dress with straps" Kosar
    
    Big Game
    

      I say the Broncos have done a heckava lot better this year than
    anyone thought they would,  including me!!  And I'm a big Bronco fan, 
    always have been,  and always will be.
    
      I agree with you Jeff,  the Broncs have not looked real inspiring
    lately,  but they still can win when it counts.
    
      And also,  the steelers couldn't of been the better team on the field
    sunday seeing how they LOST!!!
    
    		The Broncs will win another close one!!!  I won't predict a
    score one this one.  The steelers just showed you can't predict.
    
    		Tim

    
    Jack, of course you can't buy into my commentary, facts have never been
    a bronco's fan strong suit... ;^)
    
    Claybone, the Jints will be out on the golf course or in the weight
    room next week where they belong....they dug their own grave long 
    before the ot call, it just took the Rams a long time to kick the
    dirt over the top......
    
    mike

	The stupid Donks are turning me gray. They pulled it out.... somehow,
but it sure wasn't pretty. They came in losing 3 of their last 4 games, plus a
2 week layoff. They didn't look sharp, but they still had enough fire to hang
on to beat a team that had won 6 of their last 7, and was really fired up. But
I'll tell you what: `Great' teams don't lose 3 of their last 4, and then wallow
around trying to find the handle in a playoff game. Denver's a good team, but
no way, shape or form are they great.

	The upcoming game with the Brown's should be good. The Brown's looked
like they really wanted to choke Saturday, and did everything they could to
hand the game to Buffalo, but at the end, Buffalo wanted to lose it worse. In
all probability, the Brown's decided to wait and choke against Denver (no sense
fooling with tradition).

	From my point of view, I'd like to see the Donks pick up the intensity,
and start clicking. They should beat the Brown's by 2+ touchdowns. If they
don't, I'd just as soon they lose now. I'm tired of seeing Denver embarrassed
in Superbowls.

Mike JN

    
    Boy, the same guys who were predicting a Denver Blow-out are now 
    claiming it was a good, even great game for the Broncos.  HA.  
    2+ Touchdown victory over the Browns.  Come on Mike, do you really 
    believe that.   
    
    

Any win is a good win... and I specifically stated that not only was it not a
great win, the Broncos are not a great team right now.

I DON'T expect the Donks to win by two plus touchdowns. I said I'd like to see
them pick up the intensity and start clicking. If they would put it all
together, they could beat the Browns by Two Plus touchdowns and give the NFC
Superbowl representative a real good game. If they are NOT going to put it all
together, I'd just as soon not see them in the Superbowl being embarrassed
again.

Mike JN
      

I can see it now!!! 

Dateline 1-15-1990:

The Denver Donk's pulled out a win yesterday with a flag thrown by a Ref.
Quoting Mr. Ed: I was waiting for him to throw it at the end of the game
so we could win, after all the fix was in and we are in Denver!!!!

;^)

Monty      

      Your just jealous (sp?) Monty.  The Broncos made it farther towards
    the major victory than the Faiders did.  Try something else buddy ^.
    The old "ref gave them the game" is yesterdays excuses.
    
      Go D!!
    
    		Tim

    
    ...and a true one at that.
    
    Humphrey was tackled on the two, reached the ball to the one. The ball
    was spotted at the one. Third down and goal, Clarence Kay was WAY
    off-sides, result = Denver TD instead of third and goal from the 6. 
    Just before the half, Elway long to Natiel (?) to set-up a field goal.
    Personally, I thought the ball hit the ground. A replay was never
    shown. I don't ever remember a long play that sets up a score just
    before halftime not being shown again. Believe it or not the GT even
    said Natiel "appeared to have bobbled the ball".
    
    For Tim: A TE can move before the ball is snapped. He can not be moving
             when the ball is snapped. In this case it is a mute point
             anyway since Kay was across the line of scrimmage when the
             ball was snapped. Considering the fact that there are two line
             judges, one at each end of the line, and how far Kay was  
             offsides, I find it very hard to believe that neither one of 
             them saw it.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    Hoot, Hoot, Hoot, and you too Parrot,
    
     I really can't beleive you Bums.....  I think the reason you're 
    so upset over the Broncos victory is because you are both Clevescum
    Clowns fans and you know that there can be no victory for the Clowns
    when they play the Donks in the Championship game.  I just get so 
    sick of the same old BS coming out of the Anti-Donks mouths.....
    Can't you morons think of anything else to say.
    
    Big Game
    
    

I was really concerned throughout the game.  The defense was playing POORLY,
to say the least, and the offense was miscueing at just the wrong time.

But they held together and scored when it really counted, and held when it
counted.  I only recall one big play on defense, and that was Simon Fletcher
batting the pass back to Bubby on second down at about 2:20 to go.  The 2
fumble recoveries were not that big of plays by the D, just taking advantage
of mistakes by Pittsburgh's O.

HOOT & Monty,

	Yeah, it looked like Kay moved.  He wasn't across the line, though.
BTW:  The tight end CAN move laterally, just not forward, before the snap of
the ball.  I think it was a missed call, though.  He seemed to be moving to 
his right.  Tha would mean that he HAD to be moving forward as well, because
the tackle was on his right.

	But it does get monotonous listening to you guys...

		Ed^2

    The tight end can move to go in motion, but if you don't have enough
    guys on the line of scrimmage that is a penalty too. So it should
    have been a false start, illegal formation, or illegal motion, I
    don't think none of the above should have been a choice.
    
                               Steve J.

     Can we give this a rest.....  I swear,  if that had been anyother
    team in anyother playoff game no one would even be discussing this.
    I get so sick of the Anti-Donks dribble.  Why don't you guys can
    it, OK !!
    
    Big Game

      Jack,  They can't can it,  because then they wouldn't have any place
    else to vent their frustrations abouit their teams being out of the
    playoffs.  I do get tired of hearing it myself,  but what can ya do?
    
      Cacti,  any football games on Saturday??
    
    
    		Tim....Who will not cry over spilt milk

    	I honestly wanted to see the Broncos lose that game.  Why? 
    After losing a bundle on the Midgets, I decided to try to even up
    (minus the juice) by taking the Donks and laying the 10 points.
    When it was apparent they wouldn't cover I wanted to see them lose,
    because if I am going to be miserable, the team I bet on and lost
    might as well be miserable too.  8^)
    
    				/Don

    re:  Little game, Jasksonta (whatever) & all other Donk fans....
    
    
    I tried...I mean I really tried to stay out of here, but, you two
    guys keep picking on the Dawgs and for some strange reason really
    do think that the Donks are the better team...even after loosing
    earlier in the season.  I won't "junk note" in your file...by the
    way...I don't think anything I write is JUNK!  Its all truth!
    Its all FACT!  No lies...unlike the flies that hang out around
    the donks!  HeHeHeHeHe
    
    Thats right...NO JUNK HERE!
    
    What about the game your team played???
    
    Well, I didn't see the defense show up...and I didn't see the offense
    show up either.  If it wasn't for the big plays...there wouldn't
    have been a game.  If it wasn't for Bubby getting all out of control...
    you would have lost the game.  
    
    I will have to say that Eitherway took a great hit and even got
    back up...I give him credit for that...how is he now anyway.  Oh,
    I figure you will be lieing to me anyway.  It was great...he lands
    on his head and that alone brings his neck back then, the guy hits
    him in the back and that even brings his head back even further.
    I'm really surprised he even got back up.  Its got to hurt!
    
    Do you guys really think they will win???  NO WAY!  
    
    Look for the same treatment from the DAWGS this comming Sunday!
    
    			Please don't read on if you can't take it...
    
    			
    
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    				B R O W N S 
    
    			ALL THE WAY!!!
    
    
    
    
    WOOF! 
     WOOF!
      WOOF!   (The Dawgs have grown up alot sence the game with the
    		Bills.  Don't expect the same Dawg Defense this
    		Sunday!)  
    
    		My main man Bill Gross has taken over as trainee...
    			Do ya know what I mean???
    
    		Way to go Bill...JUNK'EM TO DEATH!
    
    
    	

    
    I know what you donk fans mean. You are tired of hearing the facts
    instead of hype/media BS.
    
    RE: Whitehair (don't know your first name)
    
    Just thought I would rub it in a bit. I will be at the game cheering
    the Browns on to the Bowl this Sunday.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

re: Mr. Ed^2, Big Gamey, Other Donk Blind fans...

I only call them as I see them and it does get OLD week in and week out
having seen all the ref's calls go the Donk's ways... I watched a replay
of the game on the home VCr and beleave me, everything that was stated
in this note happened....   Also add another, Karl Mech. took 2 extras steps
and hit Bubby in the backfield, no call by the Ref's for a late hit. If
it would have been Mr. Ed the laundry would have flown.... I don't eben see
how the anoncers missed it... It was a late hit!!!!!
Will the Browns get a fare shake in Pile it High??? Will the late hit's,
head bobbing, movement get called???? Will have to see, but the only way
for the Browns to counteract this disgrace for ref's is to put them away
real early in the game!!!!

Monty  
    	

    Re .354
    
    Ha ha ha, Monty, I just love that "Big Gamey"!!!   :*)
    
    Ha ha ha, nice name for the Cactus

    Lee

      Well Mr Whitehead,  Are you saying the clown defense played a better
    game than the Bronco defense did this past weekend??  I hope your not,
    because the Bronc D only gave up 23 points, not 30.  Actually,  both
    played rather lousy seeing how the opponents offense could move the
    ball quite easily.
    
      I have to say that the Bronc "D" will show up this weekend as well. 
    This game will be the usual close one, no matter what the score ends up
    being.  Mack will be held under 100 yards, which means that the Clowns
    from Clevescum will lose!!!
    
      And also,  there is a Broncos-Browns bash note, #105...See ya in
    there!
    
    		Tim

    
    re:  Hoot...Great!  I would go in cogneato (SP).
    
    re:  the refs...  Thats the only way the donks could make it to
    		the playoffs...the rematch...I really don't think
    		the refs will play that big a part in the game.  
    		The games are fixed...the best thing for the NFL is
    		the donk/dawg fight.  The Dawgs will win and then
    		take it to the NFC!
    
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    WOOF!
     WOOF!
      WOOF!

How come all these notes say  Jan 10th???? 
It's still the ninth here in Colorado.

      Hey Monty,  You really are a Bronco fan.  The way I see it is when
    you are recording Bronco games on the VCR,  then you are a orange fan.
    
      Hey HOOT,  Are you telling all us that your going to burn the ticket
    price to watch the dogs lose??
    
    
       See in 'Orleans....
    
    	Tim

     Big Gamey, aye ......  You like that, do ya lee.  Well,
    between You, Hoot and the Parrot I would expect any
    intelligent comments anyway.  All you guy ever do is piss
    and moan about how the Zebras gave the donks the game
    and how Elway stinks and anyother Anti-Donk BS you can think
    of.  The 3 of you and a few others should really watch a 
    Donk game for a change...... I think if you did, you would
    see a pretty good team thats gonna go all the way.
    
    Big Game

Big Game gets testy over the last few days....film at 11 8^) 8^)

    
    	*if* the donks make it to the superbowl they will be embarassed
    by the nfc champ.  why?  look at the teams they will have played
    vs. the NFC Champ:
    
    donks:                   		nfc champs:
      	Steelers (wow)                  Vikings and Rams OR
    	Browns (average team)           Eagles and Giants (they both
    					beat Denver at HOME!!!!)
                                                 
    	no hope.

    Was the last game an indication of how good the Bronco's really are?
    
    :-)
    
    Hawk

    
    GIVE ME A BREAK...
    
    	go all the way...Hah!  Go all the way home, will ya.
    
    Look at the penalties....two....for the whole game???  something
    is wrong here.  Someone is looking the other way.
    
    The games I have seen....the donks won by luck and luck alone.
    
    They don't deserve the record they have and they don't deserve to
    go to the AFC Champeenship and most of all...they don't deserve
    to go to the BIG GAME!  The Dawgs will see to it!
    
    WOOF!
     WOOF!
      WOOF!
    

    re .358
    
    WRONG !
    
    I saw it too Steven. I was stunned that Kay could be so far offsides,
    and the refs ignore it. Especially when they're busy looking for
    head bobbing, nose scratching, ect ....
    
    Even Olsen noted it, but did not really say anything, how wimpy
    of him.
    
    For once, I wish Bob Trumpy was around.
    
    DrM

    
    In terms of comparing the Browns vs. Broncs defense last weekend you
    really need to take into account the teams they played.  
    
    Bills: statistically near top in offense, mainly went with a
    passing attack, therefore, they scored quickly.
    
    Steelers: near bottom offensively.  Ran a ball control offense.  Scored 
    less, but also moved the ball almost every time they had it.  
    
    Add to that the fact the the Bills suprised the Browns by using a
    spread set from the get go (coaches were expecting the Bills to
    establish the run early), and you can understand the number of points 
    the Bills were able to put up.  
    
    I hope the Browns defense shows up this week.  If it does, no contest.

re: VCR tape

I borrowed it from a friend down at the fire station, he has most of the
Donk games on tape... Hey what an Idea!!! Maybe I'll go back thru all
their games a pick out the plays that didn't get a flag thrown on
them that should have been... Could make for a dam near 3 hr movie!!!!!
Then will tie up Big Gamey and make him watch it untill he admits that
they are the luckiest team in the NFL, with those rabbits feet in their
jock's and all......

Today's paper has Collie boy whinning about the 48 hr exception that was 
given to the Brown's....

The Air Academy said No to the Browns when they asked to use their
area's for workouts.... Now do you wonder why they asked for the exception!!!
They most likly would have come out early to practice but can not find
a place to do it....

Monty
    

    Hey Nurse Midwife,
    
    	Olsen didn't even cover the game...what game were you watching?
    
    	As a matter of fact, all you pee pee smooching anti donks, all
    	NFL games are fixed.  The Donks have already bought themselves
    	a S.B. victory this year!  Gooooooo Refs!!!
    
    amf, 
    
    Claybone

     Hey White-Head,  wheres you buddy the Groaner !! The way
    I figure it if the 2 of you combine you puney brains to-
    gether you might be able to pick eachothers noses.  I 
    never could figure out how no account bums like you two
    land jobs at great company like this one anyway.  I guess
    you must have know someone, or is that blown someone.  ;^)
    At any rate ther is no way the Clowns will beat the Donks
    come Sunday.  The Broncos just flat out class the Bums 
    from that nuclear waste dump in up state Ohio.
    
    Big Game     (  "lots of ;^)"  )

>     Yeah, there's no colleges around Denver.  The only football fields
 >   in the whole state are Mile High and the AFA. 
    
  I would think that they were looking for a place to put the team up too
and not have much involment of the media for practices.... Collie boy
would have planes circling the field to pick up plays!! ;^)

Geez, I'm surprised that Collie boy didn't pick up a Brown that was cut
to give him the inside scoop on their play book, he has done it before!!!

Monty    
    

    Hey Hummer...HeHeHe   Go get another drink!
    
    The Iceman is taking a break for right now...don't worry though...
    	He will be back!!!
    
    We are taking turns...
    
    I'd say you got the first day...1 - 0
    But, we have today!!!  You and your pilled high friends lost...
    1-1....  You were outclassed.  I mean, I could have gone all around
    the files and wrote the same thing too.  How about some facts???
    
    	Dawgs 1   Donks 0
    
    	THATS ZERO!
    
    		The Dawgs in a blowout!
     
    	WOOF!
         WOOF!
    	  WOOF!
    
    
    		Come on Bill....where have you been???
    
    			Show your support!
    
    				ARF!
    

    
Time to set y'all straight!  Get your reading glasses out.  I'm making
up for the entire season right here & now.

.317  Childs		Mikey, you're such a whiner.  If you guys were
			able to be objective about a game, it would 
			be amazing.  Get together with Monty and watch
			the tape...it was a fumble.

.320  Survil		Todd, I'm disappointed in you.  We won that
			game.  We weren't beaten.  Granted we had to
			live through the Defense getting their egos
			handed to them for 3 quarters, but they 
			finally got it together.  The Offense did
			great.  I haven't seen that kind of effort
			since the beginning of the season.  Our D
			brought us this far, and Elway made sure we
			kept going when he needed to on Sunday.  Let's
			not forget the fact that if the Steelers
			so totally dominated that game...why is it
			that they settled 3 times for FGs?  If they
			had out & out won that game...they would have
			been TDs.  Also, when they did get behind they
			had 2 minutes to get into FG range and they
			blew it.  The noise was a big factor there.
			But even Bubby said "Sure, their fans were loud.
			That's the home field advantage.  It better
			be loud.  You work to get that advantage".

.342  Gibson		Hoot, either you're thinking of a different play
			or you're making up facts.  I specifically 
			remember seeing Humphrey go down at the 2 because
			I said it out loud.  Then Enberg said he got to
			the 1 and then he said "Oh, they're spotting it
			at the 2".  So take your fairytales elsewhere.

			Obviously the ref didn't think the pass to 
			Nattiel was even questionable since he denied
			the player's request to replay it.  I believe
			a further request for replaying it could have
			came from the sideline...but it didn't....so
			what are you spouting off about.

			Kay wasn't the only one that moved.  There
			was notable movement on both sides of the
			line before the snap.  Since a TE does have
			some lateral movement allowed and the defense
			isn't allowed any...you tell me who the call
			should have been against.

.352  Whitehair		Boy, I'm glad the Dawgs aren't as lucky as the
			Donks.  Obviously, mysterious calls always 
			give the Donks a win and nothing like that ever
			happens in the Dawg pound.  Things like...umm...
			which end of the field you're playing at suddenly 
			being switched giving the home team the wind
			at their backs to help with a FG and allowing
			the visitors to be pelted a little more with
			dog biscuits & D-cell batteries.  Nah, never
			happens in the Dawg pound.

.354  Monty?		Meck backed off & twisted his body to avoid 
			hitting Bubby.  Bubby had already taken one
			hit that nearly made him swoon.  Meck could 
			have easily made him miss out on a couple
			of plays.  Even the announcers commented on
			Meck's effort in avoid Bubby, so grow up.

.366  Whitehair		Well the Broncos won't need luck next week.
			We're fed up with the Dawg's fans abusing
			our players.  We're gonna make dog biscuits,
			D-cell batteries, and bomb threats look like
			child's play.  That's why the Dawgs asked
			for the 48hr check-in time to be waved, they're
			scared for their lives and well they should
			be.  Look for the game to be forfeited because
			they'll never make it to the stadium.

			Where's Sam Wyche?  I need him to remind me
			that this isn't Cleveland!!!!

.367  DrM		Olsen...hmmm.....you were either watching another
			game or an FTD TeleFloral commercial.

							Jill
			
    

    
    It was the TD where Humphrey ran up the middle to the two yard line and
    reached the ball to the one. It was spotted on the one. Then they ran
    up the middle for the TD. Braxton, I think. Walsh immediately said Kay
    was moving. Half of Pittsburgh's defense reacted to the motion. The
    replay proved it. It wasn't close. Kay was lined up as the left TE.

    
    Jill, please get a grip on yourself and a better understanding of the
    rules before barging in here in such a huff. The defense can move all
    it wants before the snap of the ball. It cannot cross into the netural
    zone before the snap, unless it jumps into the netural zone without
    making contact with an offensive player and getting bac on it's own
    side of the netural zone before the snap.
    
    the way I saw the play the defense moved laterally completely legit.
    Kay moved forward a No-No. he can move lateral before the snap but
    not forward and also once he put himself in a 3 point stance he
    can't move. 
    
    it just funny that the Steelers got called for movement between 5 to
    10 times during the game and the donks didn't when it meant a TD for
    them.
    
    no instant replay on the nittiel play because it obvious Bowlan's
    contribution to the refs retirement fund was received in full....
    
    mike

    
    Well I see they are coming out of the woodwork. 
    
    I hate to disillusion you Jill, but the defense can move all they want
    as long as they are not in the neutral zone at the snap.
    
    Please tell me that that wasn't you in today's paper with the Denver
    helmet tatoo on one arm and their insignia tatoo on the other. (no
    folks, I am not making that up. This woman has donk tatoos, donk
    license plate, orange nails, blue make-up. I know it is not Jill,
    different name)

    
    Yes, then we are talking about the same play.  Please go and watch
    Monty's infamous tape because it was spotted at the 2. 
    
    Yes, they did reply it and Walsh was the one who then noticed 
    movement on the side of the defense as well, made a comment 
    about Kay being allowed some movement, noted that he wasn't
    over the line of scrimmage and said it could have been called 
    either way.  Gee, if he was line up as the left TE, moved right,
    and after the replay Walsh said he wasn't over the line of scrimmage, 
    then he must have been moving laterally.  Hmmm....amazing!
    
    				Defense
    			----------------------
    			 X  O  O  O  O  O
                 lateral  ->      O
    

    
    You are right, Steven. We, at home, can usually see the play better due
    to the quality of the cameras and the number of the angles they
    provide. Not to mention the slo-mo replays. How many people have to ask
    for the replay for it to happen? I'm not being a wise guy. I really
    don't know who all has the authority to ask for a replay. There is no
    question that Nattiel did not catch that ball cleanly. It was bobbled.
    Did it hit the ground? None of us can say because they did not show a
    replay. The only shot we received wasn't that close. You have to admit
    that it is highly irregular for the networks to not show a replay of a
    big play that sets up a score, in a playoff game no less. 
    
                                                   HOOT
     

    
    Jill,
    Walsh never said anything about moving laterally. Kay was on the line,
    in a 3-point stance. He cannot move, period, until the ball is snapped.
    Walsh's comments about the defense moving was regarding their reaction
    to Kay's movement. It was illegal procedure, cut and dry.

    
    Well, if Kay moved & the Defense moved and neither went forward...
    then I guess not making a call was the right call by the officials.
    Both of them.
    					Thanks for your help
    					Mikey & Hoot.  I couldn't
    					have proven my point without you.
    
    							Jill

    
    
    Interesting that there's no mention of this in the paper.  Usually
    at least Routon mentions mis-called plays.
    
    I'm not so sure that Kay ever went down to a 3-pt stance and I'm
    certainly not taking your word on it.  I respect Walsh's opinion
    and he didn't say anything about Kay being in a 3-pt stance.
    
    					

      Of course I don't hear the Anti's saying anything about the
    holding/tackling that the pitt o' line was doing all day.  I saw Holmes
    tackled 2x, and Kragen once, but of course no call.
    
      It doesn't matter anyway.  The game is history, and the Broncos
    advance,  and the Anti's cry harder.  I think I will invest some money
    into the maker of Puffs tissues this week, because after the Broncos
    win,  all the anti's will be at the store buying as many boxes of Puffs
    as they can get thier hands on.
    
    
       Broncos rule,  Browns choke!!

    
    Dawg...	man's best friend, providing security and companionship
    		for a better life.  Often seen barking in and around
    		Cleveland stadium.  Will attack on command or if provoked.
    		
    
    Bronco...	stupidest beast alive.  Will drink, eat, run itself to
    		death for no apparent reason.  Only nowaday use is for glue.  
		There are two talking ones known, Mr. Ed, and the
    		funny-looking one seen around Pile it High.  
    
    
    
    Go Bernie
    
    Go Browns
    
    ARF ARF ARF
    
    Bill
    
    
    p.s.	Don't have to worry about things being thrown in Pile it
    		High...there's NO ONE in Denver that can throw anything
    		but BS.  Bernie will be there this weekend to give a few 
    		tips on passing the pigskin.
     

HOOT, and Mike,

	The Tight End CAN MOVE Laterally or backwards.  It doesn't matter
if he is in a three point stance or not.  He can move.  If someone has
a rule book and would like to prove this poin, so be it.  

		Ed^2

    Sports writer Bill Livingston of the Cleveland Plain Dealer calls
    Denver SoB's. Same old Broncos. If that's the case the Browns 
    are really just showing up to entertain. I agree with Jill that
    this is going to be a hostile crowd. Nobody has forgotten what
    the dawg pound did to the Broncos in Cleveland. Denver should have 
    a clear edge in the 'intangible' category.  The Browns think 
    they're in a revenge configuration but we have news for them.
    It is the Donks that are looking for revenge. The Browns or the
    officials will have to control the crowd in this one but I don't
    see that as a likely possibility.  It's no secret around the league
    what the fans mean to the Broncos at home.  We should be in the
    Super Bowl this month.  Big Orange! How sweet it is!
    
    BoB 

    
    Jill, Walsh's exact words were "they could have called anything"
    another words either side could have been flagged for an infraction.
    In which case a. the donks could have been penalitized negating a TD,
    b. Pitt could have been flagged and the play good or nulified because
    it happen before the snap so they move the ball half the distance to
    the goal line and try again. I like the try again one cause as an anti
    you know I'm looking for a fumble...;^)
    
    TJ, was that you crying about the holding? That's good trap blocking
    nothiong Reeves knows about. Besides as was clearly evident all season
    long holding is now legal. I've seen one holding call in the playoffs
    this weekend flagged against the offense. They're not even calling them
    on the running plays anymore.....
    
    thanks Jill, you make me feel good to be an ANTI....
    
    ;^)
    
    mike

    RE: The Steelers holding all day
    
    	Could this be the PittsburgH Death Grip?

    
    Oh I see Jill is back!!!! Gee and it just happens that the Donkey's
    are in the playoffs! Typical Donko fair weather fan! 8^)
    
    
    Go BROWNS!!!!
    
    
    Steve 8^)

    Nice P-Name Mikey.........   I'm gonna try to put this little
    rift you, hoot and jill seem to be having to bed.  Yea !!  it
    was a blown call.  Kay was moving, no question about.  One
    qualifier though.....  There are blown calls in every game.  
    And they are blown in favor of both teams palying.  it's natural,
    people make mistakes.  It happens in Faider game, it happens in
    Giants games,  it happens in Pittsburgh game and we all know
    it happens in Bronco games.  This call was a bad one and it happend
    to favor the Broncos.  But, like Tim Jacksonta pointed out the 
    sqealers were holding all day and not one mention of it from
    any Bronco fans.  Sorry Jill....  You're wrong,  it was a terible
    non-call !!!
    
    Big Game

    Ya got that right Digger.  Any talk about the announcers being
    impartial is a crock.  It's a well known fact that Enberg and Reeves
    take up residence together in a walk-in style closet.  So please, can
    the "the announcers said this" bull.  And Jill, as Mike Childs said,
    you being here makes us feel proud to be an anti-Donk.
    
    				      Steve	
    

    Kinsella...
    
    Don't think the Browns wern't hit hard with that throwing crap
    either...The officials took it out on the Browns all season...
    I just hope that the officials will let the teams play football
    the way its supposto be played...What would you have done in that
    game anyway???  Had the game forfited???  Nooo!  It was only one
    guy in the Dawg Pound that threw all that stuff...and you know
    what...He was a DENVER fan!  HeHeHe.
    
    
    This reminds me of a game I was at, in Cleveland Stadium...the
    Indians against the Texas Rangers...I think.  Beer night...My dad
    had to go...well to make a long story short...7th inning or so...
    people were streeking on the field...a fat woman ran onto the field
    and hit the ump with her purse...the game was called and forfitted.
    Police and hourses...I'll never forget it!  The thing was...it wasn't
    just one or two people...it was the whole stadium...except me, of
    course.
    
    WOOF!   Lets be fair about this...
     WOOF!   Let the players deceide this game...
      WOOF!   

    
    Big Game, I agree with ya there are blown calls both ways, I never
    said there wasn't. It's just that when they blow a call that has
    an end results of TD for the Donks, you can understand why us
    ANTI's get ruffled feathers. It just happens to often in Pile It
    High.....
    
    mike

    Re .393
    
    	Steve Digger?  Funny, I've never seen you in here either  ;^)
    
    	I doubt you'll see objects thrown onto the field affecting
    	this game.  I was at the Giants game this year, buku snow,
    	and I only saw two snowballs come out of the infamous
    	south stands.  They didn't make it to the playing field.
    	When they were thrown, everybody started yelling at the
    	bozo that threw it.  The guy shrunk in his seat like ole
    	Fred Flintstone when Wilma yelled at him.  I was impressed
    	given the fact that the south stands are notoriously wild.
    	That musta been the day Cactus wasn't there!  ;^)
    
    Claybone

    
    All this talk of blown calls and throwing things....
    It wont matter Sunday
    Bernie will get happy feet when Meck, Carraker, Holmes,
    and Fletch get around him.  Look for at least 2 INT'S
    
    
    Denver 31
    Cleave 17
    
    
    Russ
    

    
    	DYLIW the whole Denver-Cleveland war on the field will be over
    	in 4 short days.
    	DYHIW months after the game noters will still be arguing about
    	who is better?  :)
    
    sean

    
    A guy threw a snowball out of the south stands and didn't make it to
    the field? What an arm! He had to be at least 30 feet above the field
    and only 20 yards away, at max.

    Yeah Hoot, somebody said it was Steve Buerlein!  :^)
    
    Claybone
    

      RE:  Mikey CH..   I called it holding/tackling.  You can't tell me
    you didn't see any.  I guess you wouldn't since your an Anti,  But it
    doesn't matter,  because the game is over.
    
       Rams Vs Broncos in big one!!
    
    		Tim

    
    Well, I'm glad you guys are anti-donks.  I guess it adds some spice 
    to life.  As for the non-call, it doesn't sound like anybody is too
    sure of anything and if they would have made us replay the down or 
    if we had to go on 4th down, it would have still been in...trust me.  
    
    Steve Diggins, me a fair-weather fan?  yes...but it's of the notes
    file, not the Broncos.  I actually came in to razz the Giants fans
    for all their past abuse....but....I couldn't find them?!?  At
    least, not the ones I remember.
    
    As for you Mr. Whitehear.  I'm sorry you thought it perhaps rude
    of me to just address you by your last name, but that's all there
    was to go on.  As for what to do about objects being thrown on 
    the field....well, years ago when that jerk at Mile High threw a 
    snowball on the field during the game, there was a major push by 
    the local media to find out who it was.  Within weeks the guy came 
    forward to apologize.  They took his season tickets away and I think 
    they may have given him a fine.  Now, this was extremely effective as 
    it hasn't happened again.  But...I doubt you'd have anyone in the 
    stands if you adopted this attitude in Cleveland.   So, I guess Sam 
    Wyche's idea is the best I've heard.  "There animals and they ought 
    to be caged!".  It would bring new meaning to domed stadiums....the 
    dome in between the field and the fans.
    
    						Jill

    
    AH TJ, reading only what you want again huh? I didn't say that Pitt
    wasn't quilty, the whole league is. I quarantee you that on any given
   play  atleast one offensive lineman is quilty of some foul, be it holding,
    tackling, clipping legwhipping (on the rise) etc.....
    
    
     AnybodyButTheDonks.........
    
    you know who

    Alright Hawk,
    
     Whats with the P-Name ???
    
    Go Donks
    
    
    Big Game

    I have seen the truth and the light!  :-)
    
    Hawk

      I'll actually agree with ya Mike..  I have seen ALOT more leg
    whipping/tripping this year..  Can't fiqure that one...And of course I
    read just what I want,  I'm a biased fan.  But on the Kay movement..I
    didn't see him move,  but I guess I should have watched the play..  I
    had to get rid of my investment to Anhieser/Bush.
    
    		Tim

     Way to look, Hawk....  Should I send you a Bronco
    Fan Start-Up Kit....  It's free !!
    
    Big Game

    There are rivalries in all sports and football is certainly no
    exception.  Playoff rivalries seem to take the concept to new levels.
    Rarely do 2 teams meet each other on a regular basis in the 
    playoffs.  The Steelers and Raiders had a great rivalry in the 70's
    where each team employed psychological warfare on each other
    trying to gain any slight advantage. The 'Imacculate Reception'.	
    Who could ever forget that arcing deflection to Franco Harris for
    the game breaker. Recent years a new rivlary has evolved between
    Denver and Cleveland.  This is the 3rd time in 4 years these 2 
    have met for the AFC Championship. That in itself seems almost
    incredible.  Considering everything that's happened in the past
    few seasons between these 2, you couldn't ask for a better matchup.
    It seems appropriate that they meet again.  The Broncos should
    win this one again and send the Browns home once more wondering
    if they will ever be good enough.   
    
    BoB 

    	Hey Big Gamey, can I get me one of them starter kits too?
    
    				/Don

>    This is the 3rd time in 4 years these 2 
>    have met for the AFC Championship. That in itself seems almost
>    incredible.  

Nah, not when you consider the type of competition they face 12 out
of 16 games.  I think that the sad state of a lot of teams in the 
AFC caused this.

Most AFC teams aren't complete teams...the Jets, Pats, Chargers all
had major problems, the rest either had a good offense/no defense
or vice verse -or- had internal dissent.

So, The Donks, and the Brown have been the most consistent over the
last four years.

Mediocre teams, in a meaningless mediocre game....

Mail in the Super Bowl score, either SF or LA gets the Lombardi trophy...

Chainsaw

RE: 38.416


>Most AFC teams aren't complete teams...the Jets, Pats, Chargers all
>had major problems, the rest either had a good offense/no defense
>or vice verse -or- had internal dissent.

And the NFC is full of complete teams??  The only consistent NFC this 
year has been the Niners.

Dale

    No Sweat, /Don  Whats your mail stop
    
    Big Gamey

    
    Yeah Dale, and 10-6 in the NFC can't even make the playoffs. A 10-6
    record would have won 2 out of the 3 AFC divisions. Yet the Skins
    and Packers with 10-6 records stay home. Last year the Giants at 10-6
    stayed home. 
    
    NFC's team complete team would be: Niners, Rams, Giants, and Eagles
    who all have won 10 games or better the last two years. No one in
    the AFC can claim the same.......
    
    mike

    Shame on you Chainsaw!  If you really didn't care, you wouldn't
    have entered the note.  I think I know what's bugging you afc
    bashers.....your teams are gone, history, finito, bye-bye'd.
    Soooo, the only thing left for you to debate is who's conference
    is better.  It's sad that you have to resort to this......silly
    as it is.  
    
    amf,
    
    Claybone

                          The `Saw is all hopped up!

Mike JN

     I heard that too !!
    
    MVBGH
    
    (Mean & Violent Big Game Hunter)

    
    That usually happens when you break stride during wind sprints...
    
    ...or is that strive to break wind when sprinting.
    
    -Dick
    
    

    Sorry to hear such a thing...hope he feels better by NEXT SEASON!
    
    WOOF!
    
    				GO BROWNS!
    

    sounds like a Reeves' mind game to me....
    
    	Give Cleveland something to think about....
    
    	Give the refs something to pity Kay about, so they miss it again
        when he stumbles forward....
    
    ;^)
    
    mike

    Aha!  Now we know why Chainsaw is so hopped up.  He's depressed
    about missing his beloved Donks kick nfc butt on Super Bowl Sunday.
    From my calculations, it appears that Chainsaw's plane will fly
    directly over Clevescum.  Do me a favor Frank, flush a big ole
    terd outa the plane as it passes over Cleveland stadium.  Better
    yet, make it land on Modell's house while he's home WATCHING the
    Donks win it all!
    
    until tomorrow (flippin' design reviews!),
    
    Claybone

      And it a good damn thing you guys are reviewing De Sign
     It's all you tomorrow, Claybone...  I'm skiing
    
    Big Game

    
    Yo Mikey....maybe you think you have more complete teams (4) because 
    the other 10 can easily be stomped on giving the standouts a better
    rating.  Maybe there aren't as many standouts in the AFC because 
    all our teams put up a fight.  Even the Chargers with their record
    can give any team in league a run for their money.  They beat the 
    Eagles (one of your best), and they only lost to the Giants & Redskins 
    by a margin of 6pts - and they were very close games.  So there's our 
    "worst" against your "best".  So give it up.
    
    						Jill
    
    
    
    							Jill

    
    oops....that's goes for the AFC West.   I don't count the
    rest of the AFC.  Ha,ha,ha......

    
    So Jill, the Chargers are obviously better than Denver because they
    beat Philly which the donks couldn't do and they also beat the donks
    too....you my child are the one who should give it up....
    
    smiles
    
    ykw

    I hate it when this happens !!
    
    MVBGH

    Philly was a better team when Denver played them.
    
    Hardly worth it when Charger defeated them.  ar ar ;)
    
    Sherm
    
    

    Now the anti-Donks take on a 'why bother' attitude. Cleveland fans
    will being taking that same route this next week also. Why bother?
    They bother because the super bowl is what the NFL is all about. 
    That is the game every player in the league tries to get a role in.
    It's da big enchilada. Maybe the AFC isn't up to the NFC. I really	
    don't know. Maybe the SF 49'ers are as good or even better than
    most believe. To me, none of that even really matters. Regardless of
    who plays who, the Super Bowl has always held my undivided attention
    because you just never know.  
     
    BoB

I've never seriously gotten excited about the super bowl except
for when my favorites were in it.

I will miss seeing the Bud Bowl, and the conclusion of the Miller
Lite/Norm's the Secret Weapon saga.

As to being all hopped up, that's just because I've got the flu.
I'm in at work today to get some essential work done, then home
to bed.  Notes, why notes, you say?  Because I cain't have my coffee
without them...


So little time, so many people to infect,
Chainsaw

RE: .420
   
>    Yeah Dale, and 10-6 in the NFC can't even make the playoffs. A 10-6
>    record would have won 2 out of the 3 AFC divisions. Yet the Skins
>    and Packers with 10-6 records stay home. Last year the Giants at 10-6
>    stayed home. 
    

     Gee, what about the year the 'Hawks won the West (83, 84?) and the Broncos
     DIDN'T make the playoffs with an 11-5 record!!  C'mon Mike, you know
     that the Skins didn't turn it on until it was too late.  Their 10-6
     record alone hardly makes them a consistent team.

>    NFC's team complete team would be: Niners, Rams, Giants, and Eagles
>    who all have won 10 games or better the last two years. No one in
>    the AFC can claim the same.......
    
     The RAMS slumped big-time in mid-season...naah.
     The GIANTS maybe...(I'm a converted GINTS fan thanks to you guys)
     The EAGLES went through hard-times as well.  Face it, Cunningham is
     not in the same league as Montana, Elway, Marino,  Williams.  I still
     feel the EAGLES are two years away from a Super Bowl.

     The Niners only lost two games all year (and were undefeated on the road).
     The Broncos were never blown out in any game this year...and were still
     in all the games up till the end.

     Dale

      For Miller lite, Norms brother is the secrect weapon.  He
    supposedly is some running back from the stone age.  Now to Bud bowl
    II,  come on, give me a break,  Anheiser/Bush spends millions of
    dollars on this crappola,  and people are actually liking it. 
    Live real..
    
    	The Broncos are 3 1/2 point favorites, which don't matter, because
    they won't need it!!!
    
       The clowns are going' down, and thats all there is too it!!
    
    		Tim  

    
    	Huh, only 3.5 points now...wasn't it 4 points at the beginning
    of the week???  I guess the Browns not arriving in Denver untill
    Saturday was worth .5 points...Aeeee.
    
    	I'll take the Browns giving 4....any day!
    
    	WOOF
    

It's going to be real slow in here Monday... All the Donk fans will be gone
except for a few, and most of them will be spewin " at least we got this far"
but it not a win... That's something that the Donk's have never been able to
do is win the big one....


To the Browns..... Just Win Baby Win!!!!!!!


Monty    

    
    The only reason Denver has made the championship game three of the last
    four years is because the AFC has taken a big nosedive since about
    1984-5.

    What do you call the demise of the raiders?  Crash and burn!
    
    Claybone

    The only reason the paRaiders haven't made the Championchip game
    the last 3-4 years is because they suck.

      Faider fans spewing again..  I'll be in here no matter the outcome of
    the game.  I'm man enough to eat crow when its appropriate.  I have yet
    to see a Faider fan eat it.  They talk a bunch of sh!t, but when thier
    teams does choke and puke,  the file is quite.
    
      The Broncos have had an excellent year!!
    
    	Tim

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>   supposedly is some running back from the stone age.  Now to Bud bowl
>   II,  come on, give me a break,  Anheiser/Bush spends millions of
>   dollars on this crappola,  and people are actually liking it. 
>   Live real..

	I took Bud Light and the points last year.  They lost and didn't cover,
but I expect the Bud Light team to beat Budweiser this year.  It'll probably
be more exciting than the real Super Bowl.

				/Don

    I know what you mean Monty, but there will be a couple Bronco fans in
    here Monday morning.  Namely, Steven Gaulke and Bob Salzer.  They
    stayed here throughout last year.  Claybone seem like the type that
    would be gracious in losing.  The rest who knows?  Bruno has already
    bagged his ass outta here.  I do know you guys (both Bronco and
    Cleveland fans) are out of control!  I think Hal Litelocks gets an orgasm
    every time he types control L.  I'll bet his skivvies are soaked!
    Good luck to both teams, but I seriously hope the Broncos lose.  I
    don't know how much more of this I can take.
    
    					Steve

       the Super Bowl is this sunday at Candelstick Park.
                                            Denny

Steve, your sinns of omission will come back to haunt you.  I, Ed^2,
always show up in here after a Denver loss.  It is, I grant you, a
fairly rare occurence, so you would have to do some research to validate
that.  Your memory could hardly be expected to recall things that happen
so rarely.  :-)  

However, you won't need to worry.  The Broncos will win Sunday, and on the
28th as well......

		Ed^2

    Steve M.
    
    	I'll be here win or lose.  Hopefully, the Donks will have
    	won.  But, if they don't, I'll be rooting for the Browns
    	in the Super Bowl.  The only reason for that is that it
    	would give the afc some respect.  
    
    	I razz Bruno about not being in here whenever I see him.
    	He says he's too busy.....something about getting everybody
    	raises ;^)
    
    	The keys for the Donks to win Sunday are:
    
    		1)  Get pressure on Bernie.  They don't have to
    		    sack him 900 times.  They just need to get in
    		    his face and make him alter his throws.
    
    		2)  Stop Mack.  
    
    		3)  Don't have any breakdowns on special teams.
    		    They need to contain Metcalf.  Capitalize
    		    on every opportunity to score (read that
    		    extra points!).  One point could decide this
    		    game.  For those of you who don't know, the
    		    Donks have found this conversion difficult
    		    to make recently.
    
    amf,
    
    Claybone

    
    Tim,
    Are you the Manly Man on 96.5 FM? Yesterday you were "man enough" to
    put your first name in here. Today you are "man enough" eat crow.

    hmmmm...the Donk fans seem to be using alot of the PAST tense and using
    words like IF.   It took them a week, but their coming to realize that
    the DAWGS mean business.  
    
    GGGGGOOOOO  BBBBRRROOOWWWNNNNSSSS
    
    
    Bill

    You are right, there is a slight, remote, unlikely chance the
    Browns might possibly eak out a win.....if they show up!  :^)
    We do acknowledge this FWIW.
    
    amf,
    
    Claybone
    

    
    well last day with this stinkin p-name, so I figured I stick it in here
    one more time for ya all........
    
    mike

    Re. Mike ... that 6-pack of OM is sure gonna taste good next week! :-)
    
    -- JB

       Not hardly..
    
      Broncos are in and the faiders are out!!
    
    		Tim

    I think the Browns will win, but I'll be rooting for Denver. It
    will be much more fun to see them blown out in the superbowl rather
    than a close loss to the Browns.
    
                                Steve J.

The final score was 37 to 21, and it wasn't as close as the score made it
seem....


		Ed^2

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    	In 1987, the Browns gave the Donks "The Drive".
    
    	In 1988, the Browns gave the Donks "The Fumble".
    
    	In 1990, the Browns gave the Donks  (the envelope, please...)
    
    	
    	THE FINGER!!!
    
    	JaD

    re. JaD
    
    	...which was ripped off their hand and stuffed down their
    	throat!
    
    	
    Claybone

    
    After watching San Fran totally dominate the "best" of the west, I'm 
    kinda glad the Browns are out of it.  Good luck Denver, hope you can
    stay in the game for a few quarters at least.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    JBC, yup send me mail letting me know where to send it too.....
    
    No problem really it was just a setup for the Bowl.....
    
    I'll give you 21 points, you give me 4 to 1...
    
    what'd ya say???
    
    mike

    I'll think about it ... first, I've got to get Cactus Jack's post-game
    analysis to get a line on this game ... then, I've got to see how many
    "blatants" Uncle Hootsie and his parrot spew forth ...
    
    -- JB

    
    Gee, it's pretty quite in here.  Where did everyone go????  Hoot
    & Monty must still be trying to figure out how the Browns were
    ripped off of the Championship by the zebras. 
    
    							Jill

      That game really wasn't that close.  The Broncos gave the dog def a
    TD.  Now I want to see the same Bronco team show up against the 49's, 
    because if they do,  then it will be an excellent game.
    
    Where's the Anti's that should eat some bird????
    
    
    		Tim

    Congrats to the donks.  I didn't really give a hoot who one this
    one, though I was leaning towards the Browns cuz I like Clay Matthews
    and Carl Hairston.  
    
    If Humphrey is less than 100%, the Donks are in big trouble.  Part
    of me would like to see the Donks win, if only to silence the 49er
    Dynasty crowd - but in pure football sense, I caint see it.  I feel
    the Donks are destined to join the Vikings in terms of SB futilty,
    and Elway is destined to join Fran Tarkenton as a 3-time loser in
    the bowl.  
    
    I think the Donks can score vs. the 49ers, but I don't think the
    Denver D can stop the 49er offense.  Bubby Brister almost beat them,
    and they were only up by 3 in the 4th against a Bernie Kosar who,
    in my estimation, should have been removed in the first quarter.
    
    The few questionable calls had nothing to do with the outcome -
    which wasn't in doubt for most of the game.  Donks scoring after
    the 2 quick Browns TD's were the mark of a champeen team.
    
    JD

    	If the same Bronco team shows up against the 49ers, they may
    keep the spread within 10-14 pts. If it's the NORMAL Denver team
    then look for a 38-13 rout with guess who as MVP. Joe Idaho, natch!

     Well, Wiblurrrrrrr   (Said in a Mr. Ed Voice)  Looks to me like
    the Broncos are unquestionably the best team in the AFC.  There
    can be no question about that.  I don't care how much HOOT and 
    all the other Retractors and Anti-Donks piss and moan about how
    the Donks don't deserve to be there and how other teams are better.
    The Broncos ARE there and they have BEEN there 3 of the last 4 years
    which in it self in a credit to the organization and one of the 
    greatest QB's to ever play the game as well as the rest of the team.
    This is a different ball club and anyone who thinks that the Niners
    are just gonna walk over the Donks should look real close at the head
    to head games between these two teams.  the Broncos may not win
    the superbowl and they may be tied with the Vikes for the most losses
    in the "Big Game" but at least they have gotten there and that is more
    than anyother AFC team can say this year.  Personally, I think the
    Donks can win this game......  As the old saying goes... ..
    
    
    "On Any Sunday"
    
    
    The Broncos played an excellent game yesterday.  I wonder if anyone
    remembers my prediction that Elway would have his best game of the
    year so far in this game.  The guy comes alive in the `Offs.  He
    took control of the game and he played well.  385 yards passing,
    20 of 36 for 56%, 3 touchdowns, No Interceptions, 39 yards rushing
    and cool collected audibles at the line.  Yea, Hoot....  Elway
    can change the play at the line.  Bobby Humphries was on his way
    to a great game until he was cheepshoted on the ground by one the
    the "Pound Puppies".  The stuck him in the rib with his helmet, he
    was trying to hurt him and did.  But....  It didn't matter,  Super 
    Sam came off the pine and played a great game.  Mike Young is another
    one along with Vance and the whole defense that had a great game. 
    Young is going to be the next Watson for the Broncos,  he has good 
    hands and can make some awesome catches.  Vance was open all day
    long and the defense played well.  In fact if it had not been for
    the 2 fumbles the game wouldn't have been close.  
    
    
    Big Game

    Hats off to the Broncos and their fans.  Good luck in the Bowl.  REFS.
    Elway made the plays that had to be made.  REFS.  The defense played a
    pretty solid game.  REFS.  Reeves is still a jerk, but he's obviously
    done a good job.  REFS.  At least we don't have to put up with the ^L
    creature until next year.  REFS.  The line will be at least 14 before
    long.  REFS.  
    
    					Steve
    
    Oh yea - those refs were lousy weren't they?  

       According to todays paper Humphrey has broken ribs. 
    JD, didn't Francis lose 4 Super Bowls?
                                         Denny

    I don't know if anyone else saw this but it had to be the REAL
    highlight of the day.  Brent Mucusburger was interviewing Dan
    Reeves after the niner game.  Brent asked him a couple of 
    questions and Dan would start each answer with "Well, Dick...".
    I was rolling.  Dan should have said, "Well, Penicular appendage..".
    
    amf,
    
    Claybone

      And how about Irv saying to Montana "well Joe, you've seen the
    Broncos several times this year..." And Joe answering: "Actually,
    I haven't seen them at all..." Great stuff!
                                           Denny

    Francis lost three, Joe Kapp lost the 4th.

       Sorry, I apologize to Francis, and JD!
                                     Denny  ;^)

    
    I'd also like some of you to take note that even though the 
    Bronco fans were motivated, we did not treat the Cleveland
    Browns badly.  We let our team do that...<snicker, snicker>
    
    						Jill

Well Congrats to the Donk's and their fans....
I first half just about put me to sleep and the second half was a good game.
Thought that the Browns were going to come back there a few times but they
had to many mistakes that hurt them, drop passes were what lost it for them
that and Bernie forcing the ball on a number of big plays....
The only thing that I really complained about the whole game was the hit's
on both QB's and the flag gets thrown one you know who!!!

Well the Donk's will represent the AFC in the big bowl but does not have
a ice cube in Hells chance of winning it.... To bad it will be the NFC again
this year... 

Monty

    
    Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.
    
    RE: Jack and the cheap shot.
    
    The only cheap shot I saw was Dennis Smith spearing Kosar when Kosar
    was doing a hookslide.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    
    	Whaaa whaaa whaaa, (sniff)

    
    Well Hoot, like my daddy always says.....they only pay on
    the final score.
    
    						Jill

Well...  They did it. A week or so ago, I said that to have any chance in the
Superbowl, the Donks needed to put together a complete game, start clicking,
and beat the Browns by a couple of T's or more.

My favorite play of the game was the inside slant run, where the Ref threw a
block, and the Broncos picked up a few more yards... I was rollin all over the
place, and could almost hear Hoot and the Parrot screeching (and I live in
Castle Rock). (During the Niner-Ram game, one of the Refs stripped the ball
from a Ram, and the Niners recovered.... I thought I was going to have a heart
attack!  These Refs are ALL HOPPED UP!!!)

After the game, the Browns were really decent about the loss. No cheap crap or
whining or bad-mouthing. I thought they handled what had to be a bitter loss
like a class organization.

SUPERBOWL BOUND!

	GO DONKS..... and play your hearts out! Win or lose, 3 SB's in 4 years
is one hell of an accomplishment.

Mike JN

     I hate to do this but I'd like to second Jill's point about
    the class the Denver fans had.  They could have very easily
    thrown stuff and made life much worse for the Browns than 
    they did....   The Broncos and their fan are all class. Maybe
    the Dawg Pound can learn something from this.  You can root
    for you team but you don't have to be an A$$ for them to win.
    
    Big Game

    RE: 483
    When the Rams fumbled the ball the game was already decided and the
    9ers did not recover the fumble.  You are right though the offical got
    hit and accidentally knocked the ball out of the running backs hand.
    
    Congratulations are in order for the Broncos organization.  Three
    superbowl's in four years is quite an accomplishment.
    
    I hope that the 49ers can find a way to beat the Bronco's.  The Broncos
    seem to know how to beat the 49ers.  
    
    Frank 9er Mendez
    

     Traitor !!!!   CSC32 is a CX03 Node.....   Someone get that
    guy !   ;^)
    
    Big Game

      The Broncos to the Superbowl again!!!  Hard to beleive,  but its
    true.  I for one didn't think they would ever get this far this year, 
    but I'm glad they proved me wrong.  Win or lose to the 9's,  the
    Broncos have had one he!! of a season!!!!
    
      The key for the Broncos will be to sack Montana as many times as
    possible.  That will be super tough,  but not impossible.  The 9'r
    defense can be scored on,  so I don't think Elway will have to hard of
    a time.
    
       No blowout this time,  Denvers defense is totaly different than in
    years past (i.e. last 2 SB trys).
    
    	Tim

       The Donks had a tough time stopping Bubby Brister. Montana will
    eat em alive!
                                                denny

    Just heard on the news that Montana broke his leg in a car
    accident........no details yet.
    
    Claybone
    

       If he did he could STILL beat the Donks!
                                         Denny

    re :  Big Game
    
    No way was the Humphrey injury caused by a cheap shot.  Get real,
    willya.
    
    RE:  49er defense
    
    Year in, Year out, the niner defense has been rated in the top 3
    in the NFC - and as Steven pointed out, is always overshadowed by
    the Niner offense.  They have a very good defense - one that hits
    extremely hard (Ronnie Lott hits hrd all the time), they play the
    run, the rush the passer, and they play good pass defense.
    
    THey've totally handled both of the teams they've faced in the
    playoffs.  And if they get the lead early vs. Denver, and I predict
    they will score first time they have the ball, the Broncos and their
    faithful will be in for another long, long day.
    
    Yeah, I know, the Bronco Defense is different then the one that
    got blown out by the Giants and Redskins - but the 49er offense
    is much, much, much better than the offense put forth by either
    the Giants or Redskins.
    
    Good luck,
    
    JD

    Let's see, the Broncos have been to the Super Bowl twice already
    in the last four years.   And, basically, they've been utterly
    blown away by a couple of one-shot wonders.  Neither Phil Simms
    and the New York Giants nor Doug Williams and the Washington
    Redskins have approached that supreme level of play since.
    
    And now they have to play the Team Of The 1980s whose quarterback
    is considered one of the best to ever play the game and who just
    had his best season ever and who has just engineered two
    near-perfect playoff performances over a couple of very good
    teams ???
    
    Does anyone not wearing orange see any other result besides a
    complete and total rout ???
    
    I mean, if Doug Williams racked up 35 points in a quarter, what
    will Joe Montana do ???
    
    Bob Hunt

    I think that the Bronco's have a chance and I am a 9er fan from way
    back.  You are going to be hearing the fact that the 9ers have never
    beaten the Bronco's in the 80's durng the regular season.  As a matter
    of fact Bill "genius" Walsh never beat the Bronco's.  If you keep
    Elway close towards the end of the game He can make very big plays!!
    
    Frank 9er Mendez
    

     I think most Bronco fans are realistic about the up-coming
    SB.  Most that I have talked to (Almost everyone I know) are
    getting ready for the worst.  I think the thing I hear the most
    is that everyone is happy that the Donks are there again, after
    all,  no other AFC team can say that.  If the Donks get blown
    out, Think what would have happened to the Browns or the Oilers
    or even the mighty Steelers.  The Donks are the best that the 
    AFC has to offer.....  I can Garantee one thing,  The Donks and
    especialy John Elway will be in New `orleans to play for reals.
    This may very well be his last chance at the ring, he wants it bad !
    Win or lose, the Donks are a good ball club.  I hope they win
    this game.  I can't wait to here all the Anti-Donks saying stuff
    like "it was a fluke","The zebras gave the game to the Donks" and
    anyother sorry excuse they can pull out of their anal tracts.
    
    
    GO BRONCOS   
    
    
    Big Game

    >I think that the Bronco's have a chance and I am a 9er fan from way
    >back.  You are going to be hearing the fact that the 9ers have never
    >beaten the Bronco's in the 80's durng the regular season.  As a matter
    

True.  But they met only 3 times in the '80s.

(BTW, the Donks are the ONLY team unbeaten by the 9ers in the '80s)

      Only 3 meetings??  I think your wrong,  but maybe I'm wrong..Don't
    know for sure,  but the local rag will have those stats anyday now.
    
      I do wear orange,  but I also know that the 9'r d can be beat.  The
    Rams and Green Bay proved that.  And GB is overrated offensively.
    
      Anyway,  I do give respect to the 49's, because they have been the
    team of the 80's,  but it is now 1990, and they are do to lose.  They
    just might be getting cocky since the Broncos have the reputation of
    choking in the SB.  We will wait and see.
    
      How do the 9's play in domes??  Any stats??
    
    	Tim

    re .499:
    
    49ers were 2-0 in domed stadiums this year, with wins over New Orleans
    and Indianapolis.
    
    re three meetings in the 80s, I'm almost positive that .498 is correct.
    
    
    py

    
    since 1979 the niners have lost 4 times to the broncos (only once
    since 1985):
    
    	16-13, 17-16, 24-21, 38-28  three of the four games were at
    Denver.
    	whatever this proves about the upcoming SB, you got me!
    
    sean

>    49ers were 2-0 in domed stadiums this year, with wins over New Orleans
>    and Indianapolis.

     Also 49ers were 8-0 on the road, plus 1-0 at Stanford...

     49er playoff victories are reminiscent of '84 49ers, '85 Bears, '86 Giants,
     and '87 Redskins - Which was - total domination of playoff opponents
     in conference playoffs, followed by total domination of AFC Opponent
     in the Super Bowl.
    
>    re three meetings in the 80s, I'm almost positive that .498 is correct.
    That should be right. AFC West played NFC East 4 times in the 90's -
	1980, 1983, 1986, 1989. So, they played the NFC West and NFC Central
    3 times each.

	RE: Broncos - 49ers  Vs. some common opponents:

	Broncos lost at home to Eagles - 49ers beat Eagles on road
	Broncos lost at home to Giants - 49ers beat Giants at home
	Broncos beat Colts on the road - 49ers beat Colts somewhere
	Broncos beat Bills on the road - 49ers beat Bills somewhere
	
	Also, this logic:

	Rams won at Giants and Eagles, only 2 teams to beat Broncos at home.
	49ers squash Rams in playoffs, take 2 of 3 in entire season.

	I guess I'm going on record to say: 49ers 44 Broncos 16

Jim M

    Yeah, I believe it was 3 times in the 80's that SF & DB played.
    
    Well Bob, you're much more confident about the 9er's winning then
    they are.   Everyone I heard (Joe, George, & Roger) all thought
    that they would have to actually prepare for Denver.  
    
    As long as Denver is on the field, they have a chance.  They can't
    let the fact that the 9er's are the team of the '80s beat them.
    I don't know who will win...but I know this about Denver.  The
    defense led the Broncos to the playoffs while the offense sat 
    around....but suddenly things changed.  When we played the 
    Steelers, Elway & Co. started to come alive and the defense sat 
    back for 3 quarters in awe and finally realized that they needed to 
    help wrap the game up.  Then came the Browns....and Denver did the
    totally unexpected....the offense & defense came together for
    a great game.   Denver is pulling out all the stops all of a
    sudden...and I think maybe, just maybe...they'll pull a miracle
    from out of their play books for the big game.  
    
    I'd loved to see them win.  Denver would gain a great deal of respect 
    if they beat the 9er's.  You think the Bronco fans are unbearable
    now....you'd probably have to banish us from the notes file.  I
    don't know what the key will be to beating the 9er's....Danny-boy
    seemed to have some ideas on that the last 10 years.  Of course,
    the 9er's have a new coach...so???   The defense is going to have
    to play the game of their lives....if there is a way...they have
    to get to Montana.  They've also got to hit the receivers so hard
    that they don't want to catch another ball....of course, first they
    have to catch them.  The offense will need a game even better than
    the one against the Browns...the line will have to protect Elway
    and Biff is going to have to have one of the best games of his career.
    
    Gee.....I don't think that's too much to ask for.
    								Jill

    Small nit, The 'Skins sure as hell didn't dominate the Vikings in the 
    '87 Championchip Game. 
    
    
    As a Ram fan I hope the 'Niners all crash on the plane. As an objective
    football fan they quite simply beat the tar out of L.A. No ifs, ands,
    or buts. I can't see how Denver can win. I hope to high heaven that it
    happens, but I just don't see it. Hopefully the 2 weeks off will cool
    Joe down a bit. No sour grapes here. Good Luck Donks. 
    
    the devil dog
    
    Congrats to the Donks and their fans who were in here ALL SEASON,
    getting bashed and defending their team. Cacti, Clay,Tim,BoB, and a few
    others come to mind. You guys were right all along! Hope you get one
    more time to spout off about a win. 

    
    The last time Montana had two weeks off they crushed the Vikings 41-13.

    Niners are 17-8 all-time in domes as follows:
    
    @Detroit 2-4 including Super Bowl XVI
    @Houston 2-1
    @Indy    1-0
    @Min     0-1
    @NO     10-2
    @Sea     2-0
    
    And for whoever it was who asked in a previous note:  A tight end
    is not considered an interior lineman so he is allowed to move and
    spearing is defined as hitting with the head while tackling.  Most
    players start with the head and slip off to the shoulder, the worst
    spearing comes when someone dives into a player with his head.
    
    John

    Joe Gibbs had not beaten the Broncos either until SB XXII.
    
                               Steve J.

    ...and the Rams had beaten the 9ers 3 out of their last 4 meetings,
    what did that get them?
                                      Denny

    Donks Win......  Donks Win......    Donks Win......
    
    You heard it here first !!
    
    Big Game

    Well, I guess that takes the asterisk away from Bratton's TD
    against the Steelers.  Thanks for the info John Hendry.
    
    Claybone

      Is it true the Slasher is preparing new videos for Superbowl XXIV
                                      
         /Don's `An Aerobic Approach to Gumbo Cookery & Slam Dancing'
                                     and
         /Don's `Roll Your Own: Smoking Crawdads For Fun And Profit'

                                   Mike JN

    
    Well Mac, I usually try to avoid alot of the hype about a game.
    From what I have observed however is that there are those outspoken 
    about beating their opponents & there are those who guard their
    comments very well.  I can't second-guess whether they actually
    believe what they're saying.  
    
    							Jill

    	Mike JN, better put a (Tm) next to them suckers or I'll see you
    in court!
    
    				/Don

      Well Devil Dog,  I see your letting your feelings show about the 9's,
    and also about we Bronco fans who are in here all year.  It will be a
    tough game for Denver,  but I really feel that they can give the 49's a
    good game.  I don't think this will a blowout in any means.
    
      I see Atwater and Smith intimidating (sp?) rice and Taylor.  They
    won't be able to stop them,  but containment will be the key,  and I
    think putting tons of pressure on Joe will be a key as well.  Of course
    if you get right down to it,  everyone has to turn in a career type of
    performance to win the big one.
    
      And I will give the 9'r fans and their team a hand since they have
    been so immpressive..Actually the team is immpressive, not the fans, 
    but the fans aren't as bad as others.
    
    
    		Tim

    > everyone has to turn in a career type performance to win the big one.
      ^^^^^^^^
    
    Joe Montana ONLY has to have a TYPICAL Joe Montana day to win the big
    one.  His previous Super Bowl wins were also typical Joe Montana.  Bart
    Starr's SB performances weren't career type.  Neither were Griese's,
    Bradshaw's, and most other quarterback's.  A couple, yes, like Doug
    Williams.  
    
    I suppose though, that Elway will need a career type performance for
    the Broncos to beat the 49ers.  All Montana will have to do is be his
    usual self, as long as the rest of the 49ers are their usual selves. 
    
    Hawk

    
    What!...the Broncos are having career day?  Maybe I'll go out for
    the team.  I can rock & hold like Perry.
    
    						Jill

    NINERS IN A LAUGHER. PARADE IN SF. DEJECTION IN DENVER.
    
    

    Who are the cornerbacks for the Broncos?  I don't think they're pro
    bowl material whoever they are.  To avoid confusion, let it be known
    that when the sun sets on Jan. 28th, they'll be better known as toast 
    and roast.
    
    					Steve

    
    Denver CBs = Wymon Henderson and Tyrone Braxton
    

    
    	The Official Denver Bronco Fans Prayer:
    
    	"Please don't let SF have an average game, oh please!"
    
    sean

    No, Jill.  I said the Broncos need a career day in order to beat the
    49ers, not "they are having a career day."
    
    Hey, anything's possible.  And I believe in the "on any given day" bit. 
    But I can't believe that Denver can win without their best team
    performance ever!
    
    Hawk

    The only thing I regret about the game sunday was Denver
    should have scored 11-13 more points. Art Modell deserved
    it all. When you talk about low class, your talking Art
    Modell. I don't believe this was Denver's biggest win
    ever but it certainly was the most satisfying. Now let's
    get on to the Bowl. 
    
    BoB

    
    
    Listen Hawk....that was a joke.  Why don't you lighten up?
    I understood what you say just fine.
    
    						Jill

    
    	Laugh now ye nonbelievers..........
    
    	Has anybody ever noticed how much people complain about
    	trash spewing in this note, yet when it's quiet in here,
    	an anti-donk will jump in here to try to stir things up.
    	Be careful what you wish for antogonists, you just might
    	get it!
    
    amf,
    
    Claybone

    Sorry!  Forgot the obligatory smiley!  :-)
    
    Here's one for my lasted reply -->  :-)
    
    :-)
    
    Hawk  :-)

    re .524
    	
    	Hey BoB, would you mind explaining your low class
    	Art Modell comments?  Anything non-football behind them?
    	Any basis at all?  How satisfied were you with the win?
    	Did your penicular appendage react in an appropriate
    	manner?  Just curious as to what could have created
    	such obvious ire.  
    
    	Jim 

    The Broncos are to the Super Bowls of the '80s what the Vikings were to
    the Super Bowls of the '70s (0 for _).
    
    49ers in a walk.  Start taking bets to see if the Donks can lose by
    less than 20 this time.
    
    Mike

    Art Modell was against the merger of the NFL and the AFL and at one
    point made a comment to the effect "I'll never allow a team like the
    Denver Broncos in this stadium." Even against his objection the merger
    was inevitable. For at least the past 3 years fan hooliganism has
    been on the rise in Cleveland and Art did nothing. By taking that
    course he was giving his passive approval of the activity. Only untill the
    situation got out of hand did he bother to step in and that was 
    probably more due to pressure from the NFL. Sam Wyche's sideline
    speech summed up most everybody's opinion on the matter. He probably
    also had something to do with releasing the location of the 
    Bronco's stay in Cleveland so motorists ccould harass the team
    all night.  Local authorities did nothing to stop the situation.
    He didn't like the box seat provided by the Broncos so he procured
    his own. The other one wasn't 'good enough'.  So yes, I harbored
    bitterness towards the Browns a team I actually like to see
    do well.  He got what he deserved.  All is forgiven at least for
    now. 
    
    BoB

    Denver beat SF last season in the Stick by a field goal.  The Broncos
    are much improved this season.  SF beat the Broncos in a pre season
    game. That was the controversial 'knee brace' game. SF hasn't beaten
    the Broncos in the 80's. Remember the 'snowball incident' on MNF?
    That record doesn't mean much here.  Denver has been blown out in
    past bowls.  Don't count much on that either.  Both teams have 
    Bowl experience and know what they are going into.  On paper, the
    9'ers have a clearly superior team. The game is not played on paper
    though it is played on turf.  Only the Jets were heavier underdogs
    in any Bowl at about 17-18 points.  The Jets won. The 9'ers 
    look unbeatble and they probably have more talent on the bench than
    most teams have on the entire roster. They do have weaknesses also
    and therein lies the key. Exploite those weaknesses and play great
    ball.  It is very simple but it will be anything but easy. 
    
    BoB    

    
            If the Rams had beaten the 49'ers they would be 7 point
            favorites over Denver. As would the Giants, Vikings and even
            Eagles since they already beat Denver at home the whole AFC
            NFC Playoff System is wrong because you never get the 2 best 
            teams in the SB. Denver was probably the 6 the best team in
            the NFL this year behind all the NFC Playoff teams and the 
            Redskins who didn't even make the playoffs.
    
                              S.F. 54
                              Den  21
    
                                                   Bill D.          

    The idea behind the playoffs is not neccessarily to put the 2 
    top teams in the bowl. It matches the 2 survivors of the 
    single elimination post season tournament. If -.1 you feel
    so certain about the outcome, bet your house on it and then you'll
    have 2 houses, maybe. 
    
    BoB

    >Only the Jets were heavier underdogs
    >in any Bowl at about 17-18 points.  The Jets won. 
    
    Yeah, but the Jets had the best quarterback in football history (well,
    Montana is putting up a good argument).  The Broncos only have Elway. 
    And don't get me wrong - I have a lot of respect for Elway, but he's no
    Joe Willie Namath.
    
    Dan

       Things are looking good. The Donks will probably go off as bigger
    'dogs than even the Pats did!
                                         Denny
    

    re .534
    
    Careful, Dan, John Elway is regarded by some in this note as the
    man who invented the forward pass. It is a little known fact that
    John Elway also pioneered the QB scramble. And does anybody else
    know that it was John Elway who developed the number "7"?
    
    Rich
    

       I think it was 10 or 11. But that's what I said, the Donks will
    have a bigger Number.
                                     Denny

    An interesting note on TV during the 49ers game. San Fran had not
    beat one team in the regular season in the 80's.. They lost 3 times
    to this team and won none... The team?  Donks....
    
                 REK

 
    Kansas City was 13 point underdogs against the Vikings back in 70 or
    was it 71.

Chuck

>        An interesting note on TV during the 49ers game. San Fran had not
>    beat one team in the regular season in the 80's.. They lost 3 times
>    to this team and won none... The team?  Donks....
 
    	Congratulations for once again stating the most popular, most
    unimportant stat in the history of the NFL...
    
    sean

    
    Pats were 10 point dogs Slasher. Donks were 11 point dogs to Giants....
    
    I was thinking along the lines of how similar this game is to the Colts
    Jets 69 game. Colts looked unbeatable that year and the Jets had a
    gunslinger in Namath. Jets had an underated but consistant defense
    just like the  Donks. I was actually starting to lead towards the
    points and think an outright win for the Donks. Then I remember that
    Joe Montana is no Earl Morall. Needless to say I'm not leading the
    Donks way anymore......
    
    And to person that thinks Atwater and Smith can intimated Rice and
    Taylor, wanna buy this bridge I got?  ;^)  hahaa
    
    mike
    

    And wasn't one of the Broncos' wins over the 49ers this past
    decade a 17-16 squeaker at Mile High Stadium that ended when a
    Broncos fan threw a snowball at the Niners' kicker and caused him
    to miss a last second field goal ???
    
    Talk about home field advantage ...
    
    Bob Hunt

If the donk's fall back into the prevent defense like they did with the
Browns in the 3rd quarter the 49er's will eat them up!!! Joe will have a
field day throwning the TD's... Rice will burn the CB's all day long....
I have tried to explain how much better and how different the NFC plays
ball as compared to the AFC but it just does not sink in on these Donk fans..

OH yah Donk Fans!!! there some guy in town that will let you paint anything
you want on his house this week as long as it's Orange & Blue..  8^))))))))


Monty

    
    RE: back a few to Art Modell
    
    Where did you get the info that he was responsible for Cleveland people
    keeping the donks up all night (I have to laugh at that one)? 1)I
    believe that is total unmitigated BS, 2) as I stated before, they
    wouldn't hear the street noise from their rooms anyway. 
    
    Several other team owners have complained about the seats reserved for
    them in Denver, not just Modell. 
    
    The only thing I agree with is the people throwing crap out of the
    stands. That should have been halted immediately. 
    
    How about Bowlen's latest comments? Talk about an ass.
    
                                                  HOOT
    

    Yeah right Monty, where have you EVER tried to explain that?
    I don't call "donks suck!" an explanation.......;^)
    
    Claybone

HOOT, I seem to recall that MOST of the league complains about the visiting
dressing room facilities, the field conditions (or lack thereof) etc, of
the Clevland Browns.  Things like grossly inferior to the rest of the leagues'
facilities.  That is a whole lot different than, "I don't like only having
a window between me and the press box" type of complaint.


re Bolwen's comments, I personnaly thought they were sorta funny....
Only those with the thinnest of skins would be deeply offended by the Rice
comment.  Besides, I think Bowlen is AGAIN trying to deflect attention from
his team to himself.  The tactic seemed to have worked for the AFC Championship
game, why not give it a try on the Bowl.....


	Ed^2

>    Yeah right Monty, where have you EVER tried to explain that?
 
Well Claybonehaid(tm) a few times in here but you must have missed it, with
your new orange&blue contacts and all.... Also to a number of Donk fans in
the town where I live, one bar there has all this donk crap hanging from the
walls and stuff and I think some of the Donk fans may have had some of this
fall on their Haid's.. ie: Dense stuff...  One guy there wants anyone to bet
him $500 that the donk's will win of course he a such faith that he wants
13 points,,, makes me laugh.....

Many other owners have refused to take that box in Pile it High, and have
rented their own... A few that come to mind, Uncle AL, KC's owner, Seahawks
owner, to name a few.. I guess it's a real hole as compared to others....


Bowen's shootin off his mouth this week and watch what happens. When the
Donk's lose big time to the 49er's Bowen will make some big changes for
next year  IE: Bye Bye Collie Boy, Elway Traded while they can still get
something for him........

Monty

    Monty,
    
    	The only thing you ever enter in here is a bunch of boola-
    	boola!  Case in point, your last reply.  Do you really
    	think Bowlen will fire Reeves and trade Elway if they
    	lose the S.B.?  If you do, tell your doctor your birth
    	control pills are screwing up your thinking!  ;^)
    
    Claybonehaid(tm)

    
    From today's USA Today, Sports Section, uner "Super Talk":
    
    
    Bowlen's comment offends Chinese group
    
    Denver Broncos owner Pat Bowlen is being asked by a Chinese-American
    group for an apology for using the term "Chinaman" while joking about
    San Francisco 49ers receiver Jerry Rice. 
    
    Chinese for Affirmative Action of San Francisco also asked NFL
    Commissioner Paul Tagliabue to fine Bowlen for his "racist comment."
    
    Bowlen offered his tongue-and-cheek assessment of the San Francisco
    team at the Broncos' training complex Monday: "These guys have got a
    great owner," he said. "They've got God for a quarterback.  They've got
    a Chinaman who plays wide receiver, whose feet never touch the ground."
    
    Said Bowlen Monday: "It wasn't a racial slur of any nature."
    
    But the Chinese for Affirmative Action said the term "Chinaman" was "an
    extremely derogatory term" to the Asian community.
    
    "In a country which is as ethnically diverse as the United States, the
    use of racial slurs is unacceptable and will nto be tolerated," the
    group said in a statement.  Fining Bowlen for his remarks "would be
    analogous" to those imposed on owners and coaches for rudeness to
    referees, the group said.
    

    Another reason to root for the 9ers.

    
    Charles, thanks for actually putting the statement in question in.
    I hadn't read it yet.  It was a stupid statement....I don't know
    if it is necessarily racial though.  China has 2 meanings.
    One the country and also high-quality porcelain...something very
    precious that you protect so it doesn't break.  Although, Chinaman is 
    an offensive statement referring to a chinese man....it doesn't
    make sense that he would use it in that context in reference
    to Rice.   He could have been relating to rice a main part of the
    chinese diet...but that's a pretty loose connection.  I think
    Bowlen has a loose connection.  Who knows how that man's mind 
    works...but I think everyone would agree it was a stupid statement.
    I think a fine is a little ridiculous though based on the info
    I've heard so far.

    Hey HOOT! When I'm digging for reasons to dislike somebody,
    they don't neccessarily have to be based on facts. Kind of
    like you and the Broncos. :^)
    
    BoB

    
    I found the rest of the info on Bowlen's comments.
    
    They asked him to explain and he said..."That Chinese guy...What's
    his name?  Rice?"
    
    The article went into what a derogatory word "Chinaman" is within
    the Asian community.  Now, not to defend Bowlen's comment...but
    I, Jane Doe white person, wouldn't know that.....I had to look
    it up in the dictionary and the newspaper to find that out.
    
    Who knows if Bowlen knew there was such a strong meaning attached
    to the word?   It was still an extremely stupid statement.  The
    local paper didn't say anything about a fine, just that the group
    wanted an apology.  I say give it to them.

    
    Yo Monty...for $500, I'd ask for the point spread to be covered
    too.  They've predicted that it will go to 15 by game time, so
    13 isn't too bad.  
    
    Did you take the bet.  You seem to know the outcome of the game,
    so why not take it.
    
    							Jill

    re Model
    
    Does Art Model own Cleveland's Municipal Stadium? If not, how can
    he be blamed for substandard locker rooms? Or for a crummy press
    box?
    
    Donkey fans - your reaching.....
    
    Rich
    

re: jill

No I did not.... And won't consider it, since this guy is a BIG Donk fan


re: Bowen

I saw a news clip last night on the Donk station, er ah Denver station and
they had Collie boy on sayin that he wishes that Pat not say anything anymore
till after the game. What do you expect from a guy that knows nothing about
the game or the people involved. He made some real bad statements before the
season started this year about having the training camp across the street
from the jail.... at least he was real close on that one... ;^)

Monty    

      I think bowlen should keep his trap shut.  As to Owners not liking
    there boxes,  who really gives a rats a__???  Notice the only ones
    mentioned are the ones that rival the Broncos year in/out.
    
      I might take that bet,  you anti's think the 9'rs are gods team,  but
    we will see.  Of course any team other than Denver is gods team
    according to Anti's.. 
    
    		Tim

    
    That's what I mean Monty...why not make him pay up since it's
    such a sure bet!  Hell...get Hoot and all the other Bronco
    bashers and why don't you all bet him.  Like you said...
    it's a sure bet.  You hate Bronco fans...so why not separate
    the guy from his $500 and buy some Raider paraphernalia with it.
    
    
    						Jill

    
    Jill, you're missing the point if the guy Monty is talking about is
    so sure the Donks will win why the hell does he need the points?
    
    Loyal fans don't need points they believe. Realist do need points...
    
    and plenty of them   ;^)
    
    mike

    
    Gee, then I guess the same applies if a store is having a sale
    on a album I really love, then I would want to pay full price
    because I know it's worth it.
    
    This is America babe!!!  Everyone goes for the best deal they
    can get regardless of most anything.
    

    
    Mike,
    In regards to you question of the ownership of Cleveland's stadium,
    the city owns it, not Art Modell. I think the Browns are the principle
    tenents but I'm not sure, it could be the Indians.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

By the way, eh city of Denver owns Mile High Stadium.  Not Pat Bowlen.

	Ed^2

    Somebody asked how could Humphrey be 100%. Cracked ribs and 2 weeks 	
    to heal. He was standing on the sideline out of pads in the 2nd 
    half and didn't look like he was in any pain.  The team trainer
    reported monday he was feeling better. A guy at his age and in his
    condition can heal quickly.  Naturally SF will try to pop him and
    take him out. Maybe they can maybe they can't.
    
    BoB  

Painkillers do wonders too.

Pump a guy full of Novocaine and he can do anything for a while....

Dr. 'Saw(bones)

    
    Jill, what the heck does buying an album on sale have to do with
    this? I don't see the correlation. The only correlation I see is
    you'd be stupid to pay full price, this guy would be stupid not to
    take the points.
    
    This guy is supposedly so confident that Denver will win yet he asks
    for more points than the established line. Sounds like a chickenshit to
    me. 
    
    mike
    
    

    Mike, I agree. The game starts 0-0, not 10 1/2-0 or 13 1/2-0.
    If you're a fan, you dont need to bet the game, you need to watch
    and root for your team. Bettors arent real fans of the game, their
    more a fan of money, at least thats what my Dad says. This is the
    SuperBowl, fer cryin' out loud, and if these really are the best
    of the 2 leagues, then there should be ZERO point spread. But Las
    Vegas has too much to gain to let that happen 8^.
    				JMHO
    			     Raider_Rich    
    

    The niners might as well not even show up.  The local news here
    in the Springs did an interview with a lady that reads (carod?,
    carot?) cards.  She said the Donks are gonna win!   ;^)
    
    Claybone

    Is that the same chick who predicted that the Donks would beat the
    Jints?  Yeh, right.

    Soebody give Denny a cigar!  
    
    Didja ever notice that when this note is quiet, some Donk fan will
    get in here and spew a bunch of trash to stir things up?  :^)
    
    Claybone

    
    Jill, This is just for you...
    
    
    	
    Please come to Cleveland 
     in the Spring time....
    We can walk by the lake
     and smell the flowers that grow there....
    You can tell all your friends
     about the good times you had here....
    And if you feel the earge
     you can just sit down....
    Please come to Cleveland
     in the Spring time....
    
    Anyway, I never said I could sing...HeHeHe...
    
    Now be nice Jill...what a nice name...
    
    See, us Cleveland fans are not all bad...
    
    By the way, could you discribe yourself???  Would you consider
    yourself a linebacker...or a wide receiver...or whatever...
    
    Inquireing minds want to know.  It would be nice to know who I
    	was talking to...do ya know what I mean???
    
    Hal
    

    So how's things out in Bronco-land? Many orange dogs walking around?
    Lot's of photos of John Elway in the Rocky Mountain Enquirer? In
    depth interviews with the ghosts of Broncos past; Randy Gradishar,
    Barney Chavous and Frank Tripucka? Questions as to why the Broncos
    and Clemson Tigers both get off on the color orange?
    
    Rich 
    

    I think the Broncos have a MUCH better chance in the SB than 
    most people feel.  I grant you that the 9ers look invincible, and
    that they play the game in a very machine-like way.  But this game 
    isn't played on paper, and on the field anything can, and very often 
    does, happen.  I believe the Broncos will win this SuperBowl.  And this
    is how:
    
    I believe that the SF O will misfire abit.  I believe that Joe will
    toss an interception or two, and that the Denver O will turn that into
    points.  Denver will win, IMHO.
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

       So your 1st name is Hal??
    
      Go Broncos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    			Tim

    The past few days I have been trying to sort out the difference
    between my loyalty to the Broncos and the reality of the  task that 
    awaits them. Here is how I see it. Denver will pull the upset of the
    decade. It will not be easy.  They need a super effort from all
    players. They need to stay close at all times. This is the
    best team Denver has sent to a bowl yet. Cinci played them closelast
    year. Denver is better now than Cinci was then. Make them have the
    mistakes. Capitalize on EVERY mistake. Hit hard and hit often.
    The more physical the contest the closer the gme will be.  
    More later.
    
    BoB

    	Bob, the 49er team this year is much better than last year's
    also.  
    
    				/Don

    Like I say Don, so is their competition.
    
    BoB

    The Patriots had a chance against the Bears.
    
    The Broncos had a chance against the Giants.
    
    
    HA HA HA HA HA!!
    
    The Broncos have a chance against the 49ers.
    
    HaHA HA HA HA!!!!
    
    Rich
    

    JMO, but I think last year's Bengals is (slightly) better than this
    year's Broncos.  And as $Don said, this year's 49ers are better than
    last year's version.
    
    Hawk

    If the Broncos regular season record against the 49'ers has no
    basis here, how is it that Denver's past Bowl appearances do?
    
    BoB

    
    On paper Steven, on paper......  :-)
    
    Hawk

    Just thought i would ask but forgot all the experts cant
    possibly be wrong.    ;^)
    
    BoB
    

    BoB
    
    Although I tire of Bronco mania I must admit that the Bronco's DO
    provide the 9ers with interesting matchups.  Elway has receivers that
    allow him to improvise on scrambling situations.  Johnson, Jackson, and
    Nattiel all have great speed and good hands.  Ronnie Lott has played
    against Elway in college and has stated on occasion that Elway has
    an arm that is dangerously strong.  The cutback running of a healthy
    Humphries can provide problems for the defense.  Hilliard of the Saints
    had good game against 9ers on monday night this year.  Neither Bell or
    Walker had the opportunity to run on the 9ers.  If Denver does not
    panic they can be in the game and you just never know what happens when
    Denver is in a close game.
    
    Frank 9er Mendez
    

    
    Rich Brake,
    Actually, things are rather quiet. I get the impression that Denver
    fans are split 50-50. 50% think they will get killed again and the
    other 50% think they have an outside chance of winning. Thankfully,
    we haven't been inundated with massive hysteria/ranting and raving.
    The biggest hype has been Bowlen blowing his mouth off. His latest
    stupid comments were whining about New Orleans not being a family
    oriented place, i.e. not a great place to take the kids. If it's that
    bad then why doesn't he just stay home? I would bet noone would miss
    that jerk. The real funny part is the fact that this whining is coming
    from the same guy that wanted a bunch of criminals on his team at the
    end of last season. I did notice someone that painted his/her car day
    glo orange in the parking lot here and the guy that said he will let
    anyone paint anything on his house as long as it is orange or blue. But
    nothing like the last two times.
    
    Small nit dept.: I have seen this all year and it just drives me nuts.
    	 	     The guy's name is Bobby Humphrey not HumphrIES.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

	Major matchup:

	WRs Rice and Taylor vs. inexperienced CBs Henderson and Braxton
	BIG edge for 49ers. 

	Denver inserts extra DBs? 
	Craig and Rathman run wild

	Denver uses Safeties and Linebackers on Taylor and Rice to help?
	Either Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, or Roger Craig will be wide open.

	Denver resorts to a zone? 
	Not enough pressure on Montana - he picks Denver apart.

	JMHO,
		Jim M

    I think you hit on a good one there Frank. Broncmania in past
    seasons has even worn on me.  There hasn't been any this season
    and it is difficult to find it now.  It's awfull quiet out there
    in Donkland but you can expect the tempo to pick up this coming
    week.  The Bronco faithfull are scrambling for Bowl tickets
    and reservations.  At the going rates for both and considering all
    we've been thru, it's hard to believe they have loosing on their minds.   
    
    Other than Bolan's 'Rice' comments the emphasis of this weeks' Bowl news
    has been everybody telling Denver it's over.  The more you tell
    somebody how impossible things are the more likely the chance for
    surprise. That is not hype. That is not Broncomania. That is the
    nature of people and things.   
    
    BoB
    

    
    If people out there are looking for Bowl tickets, they might be
    smart to check the SF papers.  Scalping is legal in Cal, and there
    are a bunch of adds for tickets.  Apparently they aren't selling
    that well here.
    
    Bruce

    The Donks will pull this out.....  They will,  even if Elway
    has to reach up revees' A$$ to do it.  He want it (Superbowl)
    bad !!
    
    Big Game

    
    N E W S      F L A S H!!!!!!1
    
    
    Elway wants Reeves A$$ bad. 
    Probing pictures at 11:00

    
    Mike - genius!  You got my point.  Why rest on your laurels when
    you can make a buck...this is a capitalist country after all. ;^)
    If all that's important is sticking by your team....why isn't
    it chickenshit for a 49er fan to give the points?  After all if 
    they believe in their team and all......
    
    Raider Rich - I agree with ya.  The game starts at 0-0.  I 
    don't believe in betting either.  I was just trying to razz
    Monty a little.  Next thing I know I'm in the Sports Notes 
    Debate Finals  (ha,ha,ha).
    
    Bob Salzer (fellow fan).. RE: .581.  You're right.  Denver has to
    force mistakes and capitalize.  It may not be easy but as long as
    you're on the same playing field, it is possible.  I definitely
    feel we need to hit them hard again and again and again.  We
    definitely have a defense that is capable of doing this now.
    
    Hal -  I used to like that song.  I send your compliments on my
    name to my parents.  As far as a description....have you asked the 
    other noters for theirs?.....I don't think so.  Perhaps you've got 
    this confused with the SINGLES notesfile.
    
    							Jill
    

    Your only as good as your last game.  If Denver is to beat these 
    guys, they will have to maintain at least that much intensity and
    also jack it up a notch or two on both sides of the ball. 
    Under game conditions, Denver's running and passing attack along 
    with Elway's ability to improvise will keep the ball in their hands
    and keep Montana on the bench.  Ball control and time of possesion will
    be essential.  Denver has an extensive list of razzle-dazzle plays
    that work more often than not.  Trick plays won't win this game
    but they are there and a taste of 1 here or there will keep     
    SF off balance enough and keep them second guessing.  When the pocket
    breaks down, the patterns must change.  It matters little how many 
    Ronnie Lotts you have on your team under those conditions. Somebody
    will be open.  That somebody must be found.  Offensively, the Broncos
    can hold their own.
    
    BoB  

    
    Hey Big Game...discribe yourself...do you concider yourself as a
    	back field guy or what???  HeHeHe
    
    
    	
    Jill, my dear, No I'm not confused at all.  I think its great that
    	a woman has an interest in sports!  And...I don't want you
    	to consider all Cleveland fans at bone throwing thugs.  Most
    	of us are very sincer, kind, loving and fun.  Like me!  :-)
    
    	And...as you see, you are not the only one that I asked to
    	discribe themselves.  
    
    	Do you have red hair???
    
    
    	Hal

    	MikeC, didn't you have a "personal name" bet in here with someone
    in the Pittsburgh/Denver game, and disregarded the points?  Very
    "manly" Mike, very "manly" indeed.
    
    				/Don

    80's Bronco's = 70's Vikings
    
    Always a bridesmaid...
    
    BEARS::BACH

    Hey Whitehair,   You ever read "Still Life With Woodpecker"  
    by tom Robins?  Jill fits the mold of a red head, but is she?
    
    Expiring minds want to know,
    
    Big Game

    
    But Jill Sweetheart isn't obvious that the niner fans aren't chickenshits
    as the line continues to balloon upwards.
    
    Let me put it to you this way, I offered two gentlemen in here who
    shall remain nameless 21 points on the game all I asked was that
    they pay me 4 to 1 if I cover. This gentleman are both Donk fans
    and the loosing price for them would be minimal, in fact one of
    the bets doesn't even involve money. Yet both shyed away. Guess
    it shows what *CERTAIN* Donk fans think of their chances...
    
    mike 

		David had his Goliath,
		Achilles had his heel.

		Napoleon had his Waterloo,
		Monty Hall had Let's Make a Deal.

		The Broncos are the best,
		They've withstood every test.

		In John Elway we trust,
		Super Bowl or bust!

    			Broncos #1!!!

    
    Okay, you've got my whole team going crazy now trying to figure
    out who sings "Please come to Boston...."
    
    Anyone know???
    						Jill

    Sorry, I was trying to be funny with the Doug Flutie! thing.  Wade
    Boggs actually wrote "Please Come to Boston In The Springtime" for  his
    good friend, Margo Somethingorother.  Trust me.
    
    Hawk

    Re. Mike ... no problem ... even odds, no points, double or nothing ...
    Cactus Jack sez I'm in like Flynn!
    
    -- JB

    
    Come on.... Who recorded the song?
    							Jill

                                  Larry Bird

                                      to

                             Jimmy `clang' Clang

Mike JN

Kenny Loggins, I think...

jim M

    Beat me to it Jim, Kenny Loggins it is.

    Elway will replace Boomer in the pro bowl. Esiason has a 
    couple things that need fixing by the doctors and time.
    
    BoB

    Wrong, it was kenny's brother Dave Loggins who sang it.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Elway may replace Boomer in Hawaii, if the 9er's dont tear his
    arms off :-)
    			Raider_Rich
    

    AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh.......... This feels good.  The
    quiet uncomplicated world of friday night sports noting. There's
    no one to argue with.  No one is here to complicate things with
    descenting opinions.  Ever notice how facts seem to comfuse
    the issues?   It is indeed a quieter less muddled sports world at
    this time of the week.  Very boring, but less complicated. 
    
    So here goes.  The most critical matchup undoubtedly will be the
    Montana vs the Denver D.  For Denver to win this game, it is
    essential that the defense holds.   Do not allow this game to
    turn into a scoring contest. The Broncos defense is going to
    be asked to put out tremendous effort.  If the 49'ers can take
    a lead requiring 3 or more scores by Denver, they can turn out the
    lights and it will be a blowout like everyone suggests. If the D
    can maintain intensity and keep the offense in a position to contend
    Denver can win this football game.  The Broncos own worst enemy in
    Bowls past is the Broncos' defense.  This defense is different.  
    It is a difficult situation to be in but you have got to start
    somewhere and basics is a good a point as any.  This will 
    sound rediculous to some but their best bet is to force the 9'ers
    into a passing game. That sounds like out of the pan and into the
    fire but when Denver is on defense they must maintain some control
    of the game. Denver's best control is the over the opponents'
    ground game.  Blitz only sparingly.  Use a zone coverage.  Hammer every
    receiver that thinks about comming off the line. Phiscally hammer
    anyone catching a ball.  If you can't stop them, hit them and hit 
    them hard.  It might not stop them but it will slow them down.     
    This 49'er team is not unbeatable. The record shows that. Somebody
    did something right against this team.  It is the defense that
    must find the answer.  
    
    BoB

    Bob,
    
    TO me, the Broncos would be better off if the 9er's went to the
    run - but the 9er's in the 80's are a precision passing team, with
    a good runnig attack - balance is the key word.  The only thing
    they haven't shown, yet, in the playoffs is the long passing game
    to Rice and Taylor.  The Bronco's weak link to me, are the corners.
    Those guys are not that good - they aren't that quick.  Yeah, sure,
    Atwater and Smith hit like a ton of bricks - but they have to watch
    Rathman, Craig, and the tight ends - and believe me, Rice and Taylor
    are not going to get intimidated - the NFC has numerous safeties
    that hit hard.  Ain't done no good.
    
    The key against Joe Montana is the straight up the middle pressure.
    Because of his short drop and quick release, the outside rush and
    blitz rarely works.  Sucess normally comes by pressure up the middle
    and applying hits like Jim Burt's in the 86 playoffs.  The key to
    the Bronco chances rests on the nose tackle and inside backer's
    shoulders.  IF the 9ers handle them, turn off the TV, read a book,
    kick the dawg, it ain't gonna matter.  Niners romp.  You can take
    that to the bank.
    
    Other keys for the Broncos D - who will cover Rathman and Craig
    out of the backfield - will the Donks put a back on them, or a
    linebacker?  The Bronco's linebackers caint cover either (they don't
    have a Carl Banks type - sorry Mr. Meck).
    
    The other key for the Bronco's defense - the Bronco Offense controlling
    the ball.  If the 1-2-3 and punt, or get quick scores - it will
    mean Joe will have that much more time to pick the Broncos apart.
    
    JD

    Four Donks on the Al-Madden team......u gotta love it!
    
    Claybone

I missed the announcement of the All_Madden Team.    Could someone please
leaborate on the makeup of the team????  And what he had to say about the
four Broncos that made it????

	Ed^2

Madden must have been drunk when he picked them!!!!!
Okay maybe Meck but that's it....


Monty

    I feel the Bronco's shoud bring back Joe Collier type defense to
    contain the 9'ers. The quick re-act rather than attack or zone defense
    has given the 9'ers offense fits. 
    
    Sorry folks but Joe eats zones like the fridge eats 1/4 pounders. 
    
    Jeff

    Donks on the All-Madden team:
    
    			Greg Kragen
    			Keith Kartz
    			Bobby Humphrey
    			John Elway
    
    The reason Madden picked them is because they are all-around
    studly guys......;^)  I only caught bits and pieces of the 
    show as I was doing honey-do's.......honey do this, honey do that!
    
    Claybone

    Clay; 
    
    There were 5 Bronco's 
    
    Dennis Smith was also on the list...
    
    

    
    Smith is a jerk!

re: Ed^2fortoolong

What misinformation did Hoot talk about????

Monty