Conference 7.286::sports_90

    Go (down to the cellar) BROWNS, what a collection of losers and
    choke artists !

    Vikes 34
    stains 3
    
    
    take dat ta da bank

    
    I thought this new sports file was supposed to trim out all of the
    garbage notes and replies.  The previous two replies tell me this
    isn't so.  Thanks for the tip-off guys.  I'll run wild again!
    

    
    BTW,
    
    Browns 1  Donks  0
    Browns 1  Oilers 0
    
    The Browns face a tough challange this week against the Vikings.
    They are playing in Cleveland, so they have a chance... Houston
    plays Cincinnati and could very easily lose.  What this means is
    that Cleveland can beat Houston on the last game of the season 
    and win the division... remember, Houston is 0-1 v.s. the Browns
    this year.  
    
    Cincinnati can still win the division if Cleveland beats Houston,
    Minnesota beats Cleveland and Cincinnati wins both of their remaining
    games.
    
    These scenarios are all highly possible... the Oilers can't beat
    teams with winning records.
    

    YAP !   YAP !   YAP !   
    
    The Clowns Go Down .......
    
    Big Game

    Bernie will show everyone he is just getting warmed up for the
    playoffs!  Gronowski, what is the weather supposed to be like on
    Sunday.  The Dykes will leave Cleveland Sunday crying all the way to
    the airplane.
    
    BROWNS  21
    Dykes   7
    
    On our way to Donkland to beat the Donks again, this time for an AFC
    Champeeeeenship!!
    
    jab

    Why the hell would Bernie want to warm up for the playoffs?????
    Doesn't he have heat in his house???That is where he'll be come
    the playoffs, watching them on his big screen TV and wishing he
    were there.
    
    My Prediction for the AFC Central:
    
                                 w           l         t 
    Houscum Oilslicks           11           5         0
    PITTSBURGH STEELERS          9           7         0
    SinSinati Bungles            8           8         0
    Clevescum Brown(spot)s &     7           8         1
    the Dawg(turd)s              
                                                        
    The 'spots will complete the biggest choke of the season by finishing
    the season 0-5-1 over tha last 6 games,  showing that they should
    have hired Linda Lovelace so they could have learned how to avoid
    choking.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    The only heat in an inside location that Bernie will feel is in a plane 
    on his way to Donkland to beat up on Mr. Ed and his team en route to New
    Orleans.
    
    I shall reply no further to save the moderators and the RON's time and
    anger.
    
    I will be back Monday, celebrating the Dawgs victory over the Vikes.
    
    jab (Will the Steelers fans ever learn?)

>    <<< Note 35.7 by PTOMV6::JACOB "Steelers pray for wildcard in '89" >>>
>                        -< Final Standings Prediction >-

    Pretty close, only your Oilers' pick was off.  The final standings
    will be:
    
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    Houston Oilers		10	6	0
    Pittsburgh Steelers          9	7	0
    Cincinnati Bengals		 8	8	0
    Cleveland Browns		 7	8	1


    After having 3-of-4 teams in the playoffs last year, the AFC Central
    will have only one team in the playoffs this year.

    Denver, L.A.Raiders, Houston, Buffalo, and the Miami/Kansas City winner
    will be in the AFC playoffs.

    
    Hey JoJ or Dan wasn't Bud Carson the defensive coach for the Jets
    a couple of years ago when they did their 1-5 choke at the end of
    the year to back into the playoffs and then almost beat these same
    brownies?
    
    Isn't Bud carson the coach of the Brownies this year? Is this a
    coincident?
    
    mike

    
    YEA!!!
    BROWNS WIN!!!
    BERNIE KOSAR NAMED PLAYER OF THE GAME!!!
    DAWGS PUT ANOTHER QUARTERBACK OUT OF THE GAME!!!
    
    HOUSTON, BEWARE!!!
    

        Did anyone here that Bud Carson is going to hire BD Joe Walton
    as offensive coordinator if the Jest fire him? That should kill
    the Browns for a good 5 years or so.
                                    Denny

    
    Thats a good one Denny, what'd you spend all weekend making that up..  
    You should be one of the "insiders" on NBC pregame, with real hot 
    football scoops..  The one about Bernies elbow being career ending last 
    week was a classic!  
    
    One thing can be said for this coming weekends game in Houston.. 
    Someone will come out of it being labelled "chokers", question is will
    it be Houston or Cleveland.  61-7, ha ha ha..  guess we won't be
    hearing from Midnight today. 
    
    /Jeff

    The Inside Scoop.....
    
    Mike Gottfried, ex-head coach of the Pitt Panthers, going to Cleveland
    as offensive coordinator.
    
    You heard it here first.  Bob Costas, can I have a job with NBC?
    
    The Browns will defeat the Houscum(tm) Oilslicks(tm) Saturday night,
    and the Browns will be on their way to become the team of the '90's by
    winning the Super Bowl.
    
    BERNIE BERNIE, WOOA
    SUPER BOWL!  YEA YEA YEA YEA
    
    jab

       Sorry Jeff, I didn't make it up. It was on one of the Network
    shows over the weekend.
                                  Denny

    
    Well Denny, Guess it's just sick humor..  I can't see Art going for
    it.. (Walton that is) but I can see him making a change.  If the offense 
    would have been half as good as 2 years ago, we would be in the drivers 
    seat.  
    

    re .13
    
    Jeff why wouldn't you hear from me ?
    
    Thought I'd pull a Gronowski didn't you ?
    
    Sorry bub, I've more class than that ....

    
    Doc,
    
    maybe I figured your head would still be spinning from seeing all those
    point go up on the board..  but then I guess you didn't get to see the
    game...  too bad.  

       Mac, maybe you could get a tape of the Hou/Cin game for the Dock?
    I'm sure he'd love to see it.
                               Denny

    Now that was football.  I like games at Cleveland, except when the
    fans chuck stuff - they didn't do that on Saturday.  Cleveland stadium
    alwasy reminds me of Oakland.  I loved watching that game.  Great
    call in OT for the fake.  
    
    JD

    That was the Kosar that I drafted for my FFL team, not the guy that
    showed up the last few weeks.
    
    I hope the Vikes lose nexted week and the Pack wins the division.
    
    JoJ

    
    No running game leads to a poor passing game.  With Mack back,
    a lot of pressure has been taken off of Kosar.  Mack has only
    been practicing for a couple of weeks but he looked good 
    yesterday.  He should really help the passing game, and the 
    running game of Metcalf.

    I know JimWa, you were always a Packer Backer, eh?  :*)
    
    Vikes will not lose to Cincy nexted Monday night.
    
    
    Spud

    No, actually I've never been a Packer fan....I just think it would
    make for an interesting playoff game....Majkowski to Sharpe is one
    exciting combo.
    
    Besides, the Vikes are trying to back in....they don't deserve it.
    
    JoJ

    Say what you want about the Vikes, but they don't loose(tm) at home.
    We will beat Cincy to clench the division, knock off Philly in the
    first round, host the Giants (who beat SF) beat them... and be SUPER
    BOWL BOUND!!!  :*)  
    
    Count on it,
    
    
    Spud

      The Browns must of used the same refs that officiated the Bronco
    game and the Saints game last night.

>    Say what you want about the Vikes, but they don't loose(tm) at home.
>    We will beat Cincy to clench the division, knock off Philly in the
>    first round, host the Giants (who beat SF) beat them... and be SUPER
>    BOWL BOUND!!!  :*)  
    
    Spud, only a couple things wrong with this scenario. First, due to
their record, Vikes can only play at Giants or at Niners in the first
round, and will not host any playoff game this year... Giants can
only meet SF in Conference Championship game. Giants will beat Vikings
if they play them :^)

	Jim M

    re Jim
    
    Actually, the Vikes could host a playoff game if the wild-card knocks
    off the niners and the Vikes beat the Gints.  
    
    But, the point is moot.  The Browns will win the Super Bowl.  After
    all, this is the Browns note, so lets get this discussion to the REAL
    NFL team, the Browns.
    
    The Browns will beat the Oilslicks as badly as the Bengals did, thus
    leaving Glanville without a job and on the streets-- where he belongs!
    
    GO BERNIE
    
    jab

    browns will have trouble in dome.. oilers definitely will be tough
    to beat  at home
    
    
    dinz
    

    
    I predict another 5 quarter tie for the brownies. Because Houston's
    offensive players have all been put under house arrest for Sunday's
    performance. 
    
    The browns can hold it to a tie because only 1/2 the defense is being
    held. The milk boneheads won't be there to litter the end zone. 
    
    And like My favorite coach says this ain't Cleveland your living in.
    
                                                  
                                                   Sam Wyche
    
    
    

    Looks like the Oilers got 'lubed' by Cincy.  
    
    I hate to say it, but there's a strong possibility of another
    DONKs-Browns AFC Championship.  This time the Dawgs will be 
    biting.
    
    Go Browns.
    
    Bill

    
    	I think that the browns will win this Saturday!!!  They are
    	playing inside, temp controlled.  Good for Bernie.  The Dawgs
    	will go crazy and I think they will be doing alot of blitzing.
    	If you notice...the last two games...they have been playing
    	alot of man-to-man coverage...I never understood why they
    	didn't do that sence the start.  
    
    	If the browns don't win...I hope they don't make the wild card!
    	I'd rather see them reorganize.  
    
    	I really beleive that this season is fixed though...and the
    	browns have been picked to go on the BOWL BOUND BASH.  What
    	a hipe...Browns win in Houston...play Cincy then Denver...
    	What a hipe that would be!  
    
    	ARF ARF ARF
    

    Word has it that the Houscum Oilslicks have come up with the perfect
    gameplan for Sunday that will neutralize the Dawg(turd)s(tm).  
    
    Seems that they have ordered 45 frozen fire hydrants, and when the
    Dawg(turd)s(tm) get their penicular appendages stuck to them, the
    Oilslicks will roll.
    
    
    JaKe
    

      Bring on the Clowns!!!  Denver will beat them again!!!  The Clowns
    can't win all the important games!!
    
    
    	Go Broncos!!!!
    
    
    				Tj

    They put a hurtin on the Oilers in the House of Shame...
    
    The Browns totally handled Houston in the first half, and though
    the Oilers staged a comeback in the second half, it fell short.
    
    In fact, the Oilers short-lived fourth quarter lead was a gift
    from a boneheaded play by the Browns defense, when a snap sailed
    by Moon, was recovered by the Marshall (?) who flipped it backwards
    to *nobody* and the Oilers recovered.
    
    Is it just me, or aren't the defenses satisfied any more with just
    recovering a fumble?  Do they always have to try to turn 'em all
    into "highlight film" touchdowns?
    
    Final score: Browns 24, Oilers 20
    
    -- FooBear

    The Browns looked good Sunday night.  There was a definite boost to the
    Browns offense, and that was Kevin Mack.  The Browns FINALLY
    established some type of running game.  This will allow them to do some
    damage in the AFC playoffs.
    
    And as for Matthews, well, at least we won........
    
    jab

    How's Metcalf ? I hope the 2 week rest will help him. The Bills are
    gonna be real tough on Bernie. 
    
    Jeff

    
    It was great to see tat jerk Glanville get handed another dissapointing
    loss in the House of Lame!!! HA HA!!!
    
    
    
    Steve

    Great road win for the Dawgs.  With that win over Houston, both
    my favorite teams will be home for New Years :^(.
    
    Congrats to the Browns.  The played a great game.
    
    Mark.

    
    YEA!!!  WHAT A GAME!!!  The "Browns" have to make every game
    interesting!
    
    The Browns did what they had to do to win the game...No trick plays!
    No gimics!  Plan old fashion football!
    
    Mack is Back!!!  Some great runs from him this week...what a game
    winning run!!!  Mack runs over 3 players to get into the endzone!
    I seen that he allmost fumbled too...that would have been devistating!
    He really adds a whole new dimention to the Browns!  
    
    Metcalf has a big play too!  What a run from him on the pass.  Tip
    toes down the sideline for a big TD!  They say that is when he hurt
    his foot.  No one is sure about his foot right now.  They say his
    small toe has been fractured!  He adds another dimention to the
    Browns!
    
    Webster Slaughter!!!  Another big day against the Oilers!  65 yard
    TD catch and run.  The third dimention!
    
    The punting team...  What coverage...I don't think I've seen beter!
    The fourth dimention!
    
    Bernie Baby!!!  It is really something what a running game will
    do for the QB.  18 for 32 for 238 yards and 2 TDs, No interceptions!
    The fifth dimention!
    
    Last but not least...THE DAWGS...the 11th dimention!
    
    The Browns record agains playoff teams...
    
    AFC...wins over Pittsburg
    		    Houston (twice)
    		    Denver
    
    	3 of four teams in the AFC playoff the Browns have beaten handily!
    
    NFC...win over Vikes
    
    	Browns win 3 of 4 contests with NFC opponents!
    
    I think the Browns are the team to beat!
    
    Go BROWNS!!!
    
    ARF ARF ARF
    

    re: -1
    
    Has Bernie picked out a dress for the Bills game?
    
    Inquiring mind, Cowboy
    

       Beat the AFC teams handily huh??  They did kill pitt once,  but then
    pitt turned around and killed the clowns.  They barely beat the
    broncos, and beat houston by minimal  points.  Handily is hardly the
    word to use. Barily is the better word here.
    
      I want to see a Broncos vs Browns rematch for AFC title!!!  Dawgs
    will choke again!!!!!!!
    
    		Tj

    
    re:-1
    
    	Ok, lets see...The Browns beat the Steelers the first game
    			by a large margine...something like 50 points.
    		       The next game the Steelers played the Browns...
    			the browns had what...5 turnovers...  That 
    			won't happen again!
    
    			Against Denver...The Browns should have won
    			by much more than they did...The Browns are
    			on a roll now.  The Donks are also on a roll...
    			downward.  I'd be surprised if they could beat
    			Pittsburg!
    
    			Houston...Browns won the first game like 21
    				10 then won the second game...in
    				Houston!
    Yep,
    		The browns handily beat the others!  I'd like to
    		know how the other playoff teams did against other
    		playoff teams...?
    
    	Look for a blow out when the Browns play Buffalo!
    
    		Browns 32	Buffalo	16
    
    ARF ARF ARF
    

    I heard that Bernie was gonna wear a levi miniskirt.(So he can show off
    his new leg warmers!!)

    
    	CLEVELAND (9-6-1):
                     
    W	51	at Pittsburgh	0      
    W	38	NY Jets		24    
    L	14	at Cincinatti	21
    W	16	Denver		13
    L	10	at Miami	13
    L	7	Pittsburgh	17
    W	27	Chicago		17
    W	28	Houston		17
    W	42	at Tampa Bay	31
    W	17	at Seattle	7
    T	10	Kansas City	10
    L	10	at Detroit	13
    L	0	Cincinatti	21
    L	17	at Indianapolis 23
    W	23	Minnesota	17 (OT)
    W	24	at Houston	20	
    	                        
    sean

    don't forget...
    
    			OT...Kansas City
    			OT...Miami
    			OT...Detroit
    
    		Narrow losses!
    
    	Should have won all three!  But, thanks to the refs...
    
    	Must allmost be a record for OT games in one year.
    
    ARF ARF
    

    OT against Detroit?  This game the Lions won in regulation and
    could/should have scored 14+ points more than they did.  The
    Clowns totalled about 50 yards rushing.
    
    I have to admit that Bernie DID scramble well for a guy in
    high heels though.
    
    Cowboy
    

    
    If it wasn't Detroit that Cleveland went into OT with...then who
    was it???
    
    	Miami
    	Kansas City
    	Vikes
    	and who else???
    
    ARF!
    

    re -1
    
    Indianapolis.
    
    GO BROWNS!  
    
    jab

    hey whitehead
    
    The first game of the season the Steelers had 6 turnovers to the
    Brown(spot)s.        Stop it with the WAH WAH, ok??
    
    You'll be crying enough when the bills bury your skidmarks.
    
    JaKe
    

    Time for the annual Browns' playoff curse to play it's hand.
    What will it be this year?  Whatever it is, it is generally
    something spectacular. 
    
    BoB  

    re -1
    
    It will be a new decade, and this time the Browns will go to the Super
    Bowl and destroy any girly-mon NFC team in their path!
    
    jab

    
    Browns / Bills
    
    Are there any Bills fans out there???
    
    The upcomming game next week looks to be a cold one...
    	Weather...  SNOW!
    	Temperature...  ~20
    	Wind...	  Probably won't be too bad...  ~10 mph
    
    With the running game comming into play in the Browns Offence, The
    Browns will probably run at least 2 times per set of downs in the
    beginning of the game then try and run every play nearer the end.
    I can see Bernie going for the big passing plays to Webster in the
    first drive.
    
    Luck of the coin...I've been noticing lately that the Browns have
    been winning the coin toss in allmost every game this year...I wish
    I knew the stats on points scored on the first drive of the game
    and the starting position of the opposition after a punt if no points
    were scored.  Field position plays a big part in how the Browns
    have won the last two games.  In last weeks game the Oilers didn't
    get posession of the ball beyond the 20 yard line in the first half.
    
    Ozzie Newsome gives speech....I don't know, but, it seems that the
    speech Ozzie gave after the Detroit game really pumped up the team.
    Its going to really be weard not hearing his name durring the game
    next year.  He still amazes me...against the Vikes, he caught this
    bullet from Bernie and I really thought he was going to break the
    tackel...I think he can go another year myself, but, I really don't
    think he would come back.  Durring the Vikes game the stadium officials
    passed out pompoms that read..."Thanks Ozzie".  Win it for the wizard!
    
    
    
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    re:-1
    
    	You may not know much about the Browns...but...at least you
    	can spell.....
    
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    re-1
    
    	The Browns rushing game will come to a grinding halt as the
    	Blizzard Defense cools the Browns and the Bills take it in
    	a romp...
    
    	Then Bernie ends up in an asylum having nast nightmares of
    
    	
    
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    	Newc

    
    re:-1
    
    Oh, another Bills fan...
    
    	Blizzard Defense???  What is their ranking...AFC...NFL???
    
    	When was the last time they played???  Two years ago???
    	I'm sure the Browns won the game...How about it...whos got
    	the stats?
    
    	What is a Bill anyway???  
    
    
    
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    	Billy
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    	ARF!
    

    Would somebody please give this guy a sedative... and fast!

    More like Bad To The Bonehead
    
    Lee

    I don't think he'll be heard from after the Bills whip em.
    
    Cowboy
    

    I've been following the Browns and the Bills (somewhat) for as long as
    I can remember.  Have these teams ever played? Lately?  What is the
    record between them?  Have they ever met in the playoffs?
    
    I just had to ask.  I don't recall any meetings of the two teams.
    
    Anyways...
    
    Go 	Browns
    
    ARF      ARF      ARF
    
        ARF	 ARF  	   ARF
    
    
    Bill

    
    re:-1
    
    	Yes, they played two years ago...the Browns won!  
    
    		something like 28 - 21.
    
    ARF!
    

       Wasn't that a 'strike game'?
                                            denny

    
    	I don't know if that was a strike game or not...
    
    	I read in the USA Today....Yesterday...that one of the
    	Bills is holding some kind of thing against the Browns
    	because of some words that were said back then...
    
    	ARF!
    

    Yap! Yap! Yap!......
    
     The Clowns will go down hard to the Bills
    
    Clowns 10
    Bills  35
    
    Big Game

    
    	Yes, the Dawgs will go down....on Kelly....they will put him
    	so far under that he won't be able to throw a pass to the 
    	center!
    
    	Look for many INTs next week....Felix will be there!
    					Perry will be there!
    
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    	ARF!
    

    Yea,
    
     Bernie should cough up at least 4 or 5 Int's.  Look for the Bills
    to beat the Clowns by better than 14 pts,  no matter what the Bum
    Whitehead says.
    
    Big Game

    
    	Come on now "Big game",
    
    	That would be totally out of line for Bernie!  If he threw
    	just 1 INT, I'd be surprised.  I'd be willing to bet that
    	if he did throw 4 or 5 INTs...Art would take him out of the
    	game!  Besides...Bernie won't have to throw the ball...
    		
    
    
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    			DON'T CHA KNOW???
    
    
    		ARF!
    

     Oh Yea!!!  I forgot to mention that Mack will put the ball
    on the ground 3x too.  Have a nice day, Litelocks.....
    
    Big Game

       Could it be we're on a collision course for another Donk-Brown
    extravaganza? Wow! I caint wait! It's one of those games where it's
    too bad somebody has to win.
                                            Denny

    Jerk !!
    
    

    Hey Litelocks.......   Are we agreeing on something ??
    
    
    Big Game

     Someone stick a bone in whitehairs mouth.  The guy keeps asking for
    one  at the end of all his replies.  Thats what I figured anyway, since
    my dog goes arf arf, and when I give her a bone, she shuts up!!!
    
      Maybe its some kinda mating call??   I hear people in Clevescum do
    weird things to animals.
    
      Smile, its friday!!
    
    			Tj

    re: Big Game...
    
    	No, I don't think so...It all depends on who you were calling
    	a jerk???  Even if its the Tax man...I don't think so.  
    
    	I really don't think this will be a Denver/Browns play-off
    	this year.  If it is...it certainly wouldn't be a Denver
    	win!  
    
    	Do weird things to animals...yea...we send them to Denver!
    	Either Way takes care them.  Ha!
    
    	
    
    			GO BROWNS!
    
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    	Yes, that was the first and the last time that will happen!
    
    
    				why???
    
    		Because Bernie is back in form!  
    		Take the gift and be quiet!
    
    				ARF!
    

    Good point !    Chew on that Litelocks !!
    
    
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    Big Game

    Hey Witehead, aka Bernie's jock carrier,
    
    If, and that's a big if, the Brown(spot)s get past Baffalo, Bernie will
    fall flat on his face against the winner of the Donks-Steeler game.
    
    The victory against the donks in the pig-pound was a fluke, and the
    Steelers proved that the 51-0 drubbing in week one was a fluke by 
    beating your skidmarks 17-7 with TODD BLACKLEDGE at QB.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Jake...
    
    			Getting worried aeeeee???
    
    There is no question that the Browns will beat Buffalo this Saturday!
    
    You really don't have much convidence in your Steelers, do you???
    	As you stated..."face the winner of the Donks-Steeler game."
    If you thought your team was going to win...I'm sure you wouldn't
    have said that!
    
    	The victory was a fluke...I don't think so....The Dawgs did
    the job then...and certainly will do the job now!  
    
    	Reguarding the Steeler victory over the Browns...consider that
    a gift!  With the Browns turning the ball over 5 time...thats all
    the Steelers could score against the Dawgs!  
    
    	The End Zone Animals will certainly make an impression this
    comming Saturday!  If, and thats a BIG IF, the Steelers beat
    the donks...the Dawgs will humiliate Baby Boy Bruster!
    
    	This is the year of the DAWG!  
    
    
    			CLEVELAND BROWNS ARE
    
    				THE
    			AFC CENTRAL CHAMPS!
    
    		
    
    	Remember???
    
    ARF ARF ARF!
    
    

    re -2
    
    
    the way you talk it sounds like the Browns did not lose a game all
    year?  nothing is definite in the playoffs.... a case in point is
    Pittsburgh. Cleveland may have won the AFC Central but they have proven
    that they are beatable.
    
    
    Cleveland is not San Fran
    
    

    Cleveland 9-6-1
    Division record 3-3 lost twice to the Bengals, beat Oilers twice, split
    with Pittsburgh. 
    AFC conference record 3-2-1
    NFC conference record 3-1
    
    
    
    Cleveland and Buffalo both played ??
    
    Miami; lost to Buffalo twice and Beat Cleveland
    Denver;lost to Cleveland beat Buffalo
    Jets; Lost to everybody. 
    Houston; Lost to both 
    Colts; split with Buffalo, beat Cleveland
    Seattle; Beat Buffalo lost to Cleveland. 
    
    Both Teams have let down vs. a Passing team Miami, Seattle. and a
    Running Team Colts. 
    
    

    
    	With a healthly Bernie....The Browns will go all the way!
    
    	Check the games they lost...how many points did they lose
    	by???  Only two games did they lose by more than 6 points.
    	Most of the losses came in OT!  3 by 3!  And those losses
    	were with a hurt Bernie!  Those games were also played without
    	the Mack attack!  
    
    	Just ask Madden!
    
    	ARF!
    

    Hey whitea$$:
    
    No, I'm not worried.  I just face up to the reality that the Donks 
    have a good hance of beating the Steelers Sunday.  You should trey it
    sometime.  The Brown(spot)s were 9-6-1.  That's not quite setting the
    world on fire, ya know.  They lost to the Steelers by 10 in week 4.
    Your agrument about them winning because of 5 turnovers is so-so. 
    Remember, the Steelers turned it over 6 times in week one, and the 
    Skidmark defense scored on 3 of those.  As for week 4, how many points
    do you think any team would score with Todd BLACKLEDGE at the
    helm???????
    
    If the Steelers beat the Donks, it will be great, BUT, if they lose,
    it won't be the end of my world.
    
    When your puppies from the pigpound lose, we'll all read your name in
    the obits within a couple of days and hear of your suicide.  I think if
    they were to cut you, you'd bleed Dawg-sh*t.
    
    Face life, the Brown(spot)s ain't nothin more than a mediocre,
    inconsistent team who has won their last AFC Central Championship for 
    a long time 'cause next year, the Steelers will once again return to
    the top, and they'll be there for a while.
    
    May the sacred Cow of India leave a night deposit on your pillow.
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    re .95
    
    NOTE OF THE YEAR !
    HAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    

     Hey Litelocks,
    
     I'm gonna sue you for slander buddy.......  How dare you
    use my handle in a title that has anything to do with the
    Clowns.  Think about this when the Clowns are getting their
    collective clocks cleaned by the Bills;
    
    B  I  G    G  A  M  E    T  O  L  D    Y  O U    S  O    !  !  ! 
    
    
    				The
    
    					Skidmarks
    
    						Sip
    
    						In Public
    
    Big Game

    Hey Midwife
    
    re.96
     -<1990 AFC Central Champs Oilers ! 2. Steelers .... >-
    
    Ya got that reversed.
    
    1990 AFC CEntral standings predictions
    
    1.  STEELERS         12-4
    2.  Oilslicks        10-6
    3.  Bungles           8-8
   *4.* Brown(spot)s(tm)  6-10
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Kelly has not been able to move the offense that well this season.
    My biggest worry is thurman thomas.  The weather should be fine
    and I predict a 17-13 Cleveland win.  The crowd will be a factor.
    
    Cleveland will score on its first possession, this will keep the
    crowd alive the entire game.  I look for a late Buffalo drive to
    end on a Kelly interception in the end zone.  
    
    OT - no thanks, I can't many more of them!

     Re: IceMAN
    
     Very well said...  that was such a nice note that you
    wrote.  I hope that the Browns do a fine job and have
    a great game against the Bills.  You have such wonderful
    opinions and express your innermost feeling about your
    fine ball club so well...........
    
    
    Big Game
    
    
    
      I think I'm gonna
    
    		PUKE !!

       The Bills are a lock.
    
                           Steve J.

    
    Cob...reguarding your .95 note...
    
    	I have faced up to reality...The Browns are much better than
    	their record indicates!  Even with Blackledge...when you get
    	the ball in field goal range every time on a turn over...you
    	better score...and you have anderson...
    
    	As far as cleveland being a medeocure team...I beg to differ
    	with you there...They did not end up 8 and 8.  They had the
    	2nd best record in the AFC!
    
    	You mentioned that Cleveland will not win the title next 
    	year...I think that with Bernie and the Dawgs...they have
    	a good chance every year.  The Browns have developed several
    	good defensive players that will step in when Big Daddy and
    	Clay are ready to go.  They will be a going force next year
    	and the year after... Its hard for me to remember the last
    	time the Browns had a loosing record.
    
    	Being a K & G as I can...
    
    	GO BROWNS!
    
    	
    		And for the guys that don't like the page fw...
    
    
    			THE BROWNS WILL WIN IT ALL!
    
    
    	ARF ARF ARF

    Kelly is overrated. I've been saying that since he joined the NFL. He
    gets all this wonderful press, but can't win the big games. Kosar is a
    better QB than Kelly. I think it will be a close game with turnovers
    being the deciding factor.
    
    I'm predicting a Cleveland win.
    
    JoJ

    Agreed, Bernie has more poise than Jimbo but he won't be in for most
    of the game sine BRUCE, CORNELIUS, and SHANE are gonna pound him!
    
    BUFFALO's BACK - They WILL win! And I'll be there to see it!
    
    BILLS
    POUND
    DAWGS! 
    
    Wendy

    
    If Minn. couldn't get to Bernie, what makes you think Buffalo will?  
    
    O-Line pass blocking has been excellent the last few weeks.  Plus Mack
    being back makes a big difference as mentioned earlier.
    
    
    /Jeff
    
    

    I just look for Buffalo's defense to come out smokin'. I'm not saying
    they'll get more than 3-4 sacks but I do feel the Browns O-line will
    have their hands full.  This could lead Bernie to hurry and throw 
    several away.  It's very important that Buffalo keep close so that they
    can run the ball on Cleveland's average run defense.  If Metcalf springs
    one early, the defense will fall into a prevent type defense which could
    spell disaster for the Bills.  I don't want to see Buffalo throw alot,
    that just means our defense is on the field all day! An early score for
    Buffalo is key.  They need to get the lead.  So unless the Bills
    defense plays shutout ball, the key for Cleveland is to stop the run.
    
    None of us know what's gonna happen, I just hope it's a good game.
    oh, and that the Bills come out on top!!!!
    
    Wendy
    

    I hope the Bills don't throw much either, but I guess I've lost
    some faith in Kelly.  They should be able to run on the Clowns
    and should stop the Clowns running enough to keep the score
    down.
    
    Cowboy
    

     None of it really matters..... For I have seen the future,
    
    
    
    The Broncos Win !  The Broncos Win !  The Broncos Win !
    
    KGBGH

    Try setting that crystal ball to year 1990, not 2990.  It's gonna take
    the Donks 1000 years to recover from their thrashing from the DAWG
    defense.  (If they manage to squeak past the Steelers, that is.)
    
    Go Bernie
    
    Go Browns
    
    
    ARF ARF ARF

     Gonna be pretty hard for the Clowns to smash the Donk's
    since the Bills will have knocked them out of the `offs in
    a big way.
    
    Big Game   (Whos tired of being K&G already, screw it !)

    Bills  20
    Browns 13
                                   Steve J.

    It's over...
    
    Dawgs---34
    Bills---30
    
    On to the next round!
    
    B.A.

    That was really a great game yesterday!!!  The Bills just keep coming
    back.  The game was really a credit to both teams.  Since I am a
    Browns fan, I am glad it ended when and the way it did!  
    
    I was surprized the Browns defense did not get any pressure on Kelly.
    He seemed to have all day to find a receiver.  
    
    Great game BROWNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    

    
    Okay, so I was wrong... I had Cleveland by 4, but only 17-13 and
    not 34-30.  Plus I said the late Buffalo drive would end on a
    Kelly interception in the end zone... Matthews picked it off at
    the 2.
    
    It should quiet some of the noters whose teams didn't make the
    playoffs and are just looking to cause grief (read S James)!
    See Ya.
    
    Go DAWGS!

>    It should quiet some of the noters whose teams didn't make the
>    playoffs and are just looking to cause grief (read S James)!

Yeah! And next week, maybe we can get rid of the Browns fans! :^)

CV

	OK, lets talk Football strategies, etc. in this note. I'll
create a seperate Browns at Broncos bash and bark note for the
other stuff.

	Jim M

    What a game,  I was going crazy, especially since I am also a Bills
    fan (being from Erieee Pa).  I'm just glad that the Browns came out 
    on top.  
    
    The Browns are definately the most exciting team in the NFL.  There has
    been only one game (lost to Cincy 21-0) in the last 7 games, including
    3 overtime games.  
    
    Let's keep up the good work.  The defense has got to learn that the
    game ain't over til the time runs out.
    
    Go Bernie  Go Browns
    
    ARF ARF ARF ARF ARF ARF ARF

    note 120 should say
    
    only one game that did not go down to the wire in the last 7 games. 
    
    I'm just a little excited about things.
    
    Go Mack
    
    Go Dawgs
    
    ARF ARF ARF ARF ARF

    
    
    After this weekend, you have to believe that this is THE year.  For
    once, the breaks are going the Browns way.  The defense finally made 
    the big play to stop "the drive"..  On to Denver.
    
    These playoffs kinda remind me of '85.  We have the Steelers, an up and
    coming team, that just made the playoffs (like the Browns in '85), who
    go into a nasty place to play (in 85 it was Miami), lead for most of
    the game, and then run outta gas at the end.  In '85 the Pats were the 
    Cinderella story, they went down to Miami (where they had never won) and 
    beat up on the Fins to win a trip to the Super Bowl.  Now, if the
    Browns could only duplicate the Patriots effort in '85, its on to New
    Orleans (with hopefully a much different result).  Gee, even the Super
    Bowl sight is the same..  it's destiny!!!!!  
    
    /Jeff
                            

     The Clowns played a great game yesterday.......  I can't
    wait for the rematch.   The Donks are going to continue
    the tradition of last second come from behind drives by 
    going 80+ yards for the winning TD.  You gotta like this.
    No matter who wins the AFC, this should be one hell of a game.
    
    Big Game

      Bring on the Dogs,  becuase another classic matchup is coming.  It's
    an early game to...Booooo,  I wanted to sleep in,  but anyway,  the
    mutts will lose for the 3rd time against the all mighty Broncos..
    
    
       Tj...Who wants the Rams to beat 9's.

    
    	if anything, the fact that the game is being played in one of
    the loudest stadiums around should be a major plus for the broncos.
    clev. should move to get the crowd out of the game early or else
    it could be all over.
    
    sean

Actually, for me, the season is over.  Very rarely do I follow football
once my team is out of it.

Because I absolutely HATE Denver, I'd love to see the Browns win next
week.  Besides, they're due.

I think that Denver got very lucky yesterday.  They were outplayed, and
it took the inexperience of a young, Cinderella-story, team to help them
win.  But Cleveland came within a hair's breadth of going home also.

Be interesting to see th 49ers repeat also...

Chainsaw_who's_ready_to_way_REAL_football_(from England)_on_Sundays_now...

The Browns-Bills game has to be one of the best of the year... Kepp you
on the edge of your seat all the way thru... The Bills once again show that
they have what it takes only that they need a little more help with the
O-line. The Browns are as I have said a few weeks ago on a rool and are peaking
right now. The Browns will crush a Hapless donk team!!!!!

Monty

    	How 'bout the Bills using Sam Wyche's no huddle offense Saturday?
    Rember when Levy whined before last year's championship game about
    that sort of thing voilating the spirit of the rules and being
    unethical?  What a major league phony.
    
    				/Don

    Monty,
    
     Got a Browns shirt.....   Maybe we could put a little
    wager on this game ??  Hows this sound;
    
     The Donks win,  You wear my Elway Jersey....
    
     The Clowns Win,  I wear your Clowns shirt.
    
     Whadda say......?  I mean if you're so sure the Clowns
    are gonna win, you can't lose.
    
    Big Game

    
    Slasher didn't levy also use a fake injury near the end of the game
    too for a TO???
    
    mike

    
    Mike,  that personal name's gotta go..   boy, you are really shook up
    after yesterday, aren't you.
    
    /Jeff

    	Mike, I remember Seattle doing it but not the Bills.  They might
    have though.
    
    				/Don

    re:  No huddle
    
    	Lets not over exaggerate here....the Bills are down by 2 scores
    	in the 4th quarter and you're crying because they used the 2
    	minute drill to try and catch up...let's be real
    
    re:  Fake Injury
    
    	MikeC...actually it was a Browns def player who went down in
    	the last minute and had to be taken off on a stretcher (knee
    	to the head)...I actually believe that worked to the Browns
    	major advantage since it gave the Browns defense a chance to
    	rest...maybe he was just faking it to help the Clowns out.
    
    Newc_who_says_don't_point_fingers_unless_they're_worth_pointing

    Next time a replay of the int that ended the game is shown, take
    a look at the Buffalo player standing in the far corner of the
    end zone all by himself.  Couple that with the field goal Treadwell
    made for the Donks that brushed the goal post and it could easily
    have been Bills-Steelers I rather than Donks-Dawgs III.
    
    Claybone
    

    You guys like Mikeys P-Name........  He lost alittle wager to 
    me and will adorne the beautiful name of Elway and the Broncos
    for the rest of the week.........   One has got to like IT !!
    
    Big Game

    	Ok Newc now I understand.  When the "no huddle" is used against
    him it violates the spirit of the law, but when he uses it, well
    there are good reasons.  And Levy used the same offense earlier in
    the year.  I say either he's a hyporcrite or the "spirit" of the
    rules changed since last year.
    
    				/Don

      Broncos rule...Browns choke!!

    The Browns Sip in Public !!
    
    Big Game

    The player standing all alone in the end zone on the last play of the
    game was Ronnie Harmon (dropper of perfectly thrown ball on previous
    play).
    
    					Steve

    
    Yes, Jeff it does stink but as Big Game says I lost a wager and am
    stuck with it. Being a man I live up to my responsibilities. Now if
    I wanted to I could have just stuck it in once and then ran away for
    week but that's not my style. Of course maybe cause I was man enough
    to disdain the points and go with Big Game even up on the game maybe
    he'll be man enough to let me change the name before the weeks out
    
    ;^)
    
    mike
    
    ps. of course with all the crapola I give the donks during the year
    I would understand if he doesn't let me out of it....
    
    

     No Deal, Mikey !!!
    
     You'll wear it the entire week unless of course you can make me an
    offer I can't refuse !!  Seriously,  would you have let me out of it,
    I doubt it. Beside, it looks good on you....
    
    Big Game

    Hey mike C.
    
    did you forget that the Donks didn't cover the spread?
    
    Bill

    Congratulations to the Browns. I felt sure that the Bills would
    win. I'll take the Browns by 5 this week.
    
                              Steve J.

    
    Jack, good point I probably would have let you out of it if you came
    to me on your knees...;^) Of course being from CXO and with the donks
    out of it you'd have probably disappeared.wowow get out!!!! ;^)
    
    Bill, the wager was straight up no points involved....
    
    too bad to, cause you know I would have rubbed in how manly I was not
    to take the points...
    
    on to the game this week, I figure Cleveland will kill them early let
    them back in for a while and then this year the tide turns and elway
    throws the big inty to crash and burn the pile it high faithful....
    
    say 44-38......
    
    mike
    

    What's the forecast for Denver this weekend?  
    
    Temperature-wise of course...we all know it will be raining Dawgs 
    and Dawgs and more Dawgs.
    
    ARF ARF ARF

    
    Dawgs - Donks... too close to call.  This game will be decided in
    the last 3 minutes by a fumble, interception, penalty, FG, TD...
    something... it'll be that close.
    
    I'm sure the Dawgs would have liked to play at home, but I'm also
    sure they're glad they've got another shot at the Donks. 
    
    I'd like to see Mack carry in the game winning TD on the last
    play of the game... he'll dedicate the ball to Byner...!
    

    weather doesnt matter. its cut and dry here, it depends which bernie
    kosar  shows up
    
    dinz
    

Cleveland Browns Implicated in Blood Doping Scandal....

Elway's Problem found to be lack of oxygen to the roots of his
teef...

Reeves still doing Collies...Lassie's estate sues...


All this and more on the next episode of Inside Sedition!

    
    Does anyone know what the final ruling was on that "interception" that
    occurred just before the end of the first half?  You know, the one
    where Bebe (sp?) was flipped on his head, the ball flew up in the
    air and (I think) Felix Wright caught it.  The ball never hit the
    ground, and yet they ruled it an incompletion.  Any ideas?
    
    Jeff
    

    
    I heard Reeves' lame attempt at humor. you actually thought that was
    funny? Getting used to the altitude had nothing to do with Cleveland
    waiting until Saturday to arrive. They didn't want to have to deal with
    the twits in the Denver media. If you wanted to get acclimated to the
    altitude you would come earlier, not later.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    Exackly, Steven.  What's the big deal about when a team arrives?  Now,
    I wouldn't be surprised if they even had to `wipe' at the same time,
    and with the same hands!  :-)
    
    Hawk

    	HOOT, I was reading Friday that Chuck Noll said that it takes
    over two weeks for the hemoglobins in your blood to adjust to the
    altitude and that being in Denver only a week was worse than getting
    into town the day before the game.  Maybe after seeing how well
    the Steelers played Sunday the Browns decided maybe Noll's idea
    wasn't so far fetched.
    
    				/Don

      They had to change the rules,  because Bernies dress won't be ready
    in time for the flight.  Plus I guees the rest of the clowns aren't man
    enough to handle the "rude" fans of Denver.
    
      Now whats that old saying?
    
    
      If its Brown,  then flush it!!!
    
    		Tim

It had nothing to do with media. The Brown's team doctor told them that for an
in condition athlete, a minimum four to five days would be sufficient to
acclimate; but that barring this, it would be best to wait and come in at the
last day in order to lessen the impact of the altitude change. I guess it
affects different people in different ways, but I've always thought that for
someone in condition, it's mostly mental. I moved out here 14 years ago from
sea level. They day after I arrived, I packed up my camping gear and went up
above the 11,000  foot mark and camped out for a week, and had no problem
whatsoever with altitude.

Regarding the 48 hour rule:

	It's primarily to ensure that the team makes it in case of foul ups
with transportation, or weather, or whatever. The Rams got a pass on that rule
when they traveled to S.F. to play the Niners, because it was determined they
really wouldn't have any problems making it up there. Tagliabue has said that
this is one of the rules he will be reviewing in order to determine whether or
not it is either necessary or desirable.

Mike JN

    
    	Right, Steven.  The starting times have nothing to do with
    	the fact that both games on Sunday are being played in western
    	time zones.  I guess that LA and SF ought to be complaining,
    	too, about their 2PM (Pacific) instead of 1 PM starting time.
    	I guess that those individuals protesting some loss of home-
    	field advantage, due to the late arrival of the DAWGS, would
    	be perfectly willing to sit and watch as their teams got pelted
        by foreign objects in the DAWG POUND!!  One of the many
        inconveniences a visiting team should have to face.  Get real.
    	Get a life.  Get a good team to root for!!
    
    	JaD	

    YAP !   YAP !   YAP !  You Clowns fans slay me.  You 
    have to be the biggest bunch of whiners I've ever 
    heard.  It don't matter when the game starts or which
    Bernie show up.  The Broncos are gonna send the Dogs
    to the Pound for the big sleep.  This Clowns team
    will be so demorlized by the thrashing they receive 
    from Denver they won't even want to play nexted 
    year.  Broncos by 14 pts.....  Take that to the bank !
    
    Big Game
    

    	RE: 35.157
    
    	The phrase we use is:
    
    		If it's yellow, let it mellow.
    		If it's brown, flush it down.
    
    	Used at camp to keep from overloading the septic system.
    
    	Scott

    
    What a team...THE CLEVELAND BROWNS.
    
    What a game...THE OFFENSE COMES ALIVE
    
    What a catch...SLAUGHTER GETS TWO
    
    What a run...ERIC TAKES IT 90 YARDS FOR THE BIG ONE
    
    What a back...THE MACK ATTACK
    
    What an interception...CLAY STOPS KELLY AFTER BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE
    				OF
    
    What an ending...4 MIN 11 SEC OF SILENCE BY THE TV CREW...ITS OFFICIAL!
    
    What a game!
    
    
    Talk about standouts...all of the big guys on the team come through
    	when you need them.
    
    	You got				MACK
    	you got				METCALF
    	you got				PERRY (My Ohio Hometown)
    	you got				MATHEWS
    	You got				BARR
    	you got				BERNIE
    	you got				SLAUGHTER
    	you got				OZZIE
    	You got				BIG DADDY HARISTON
    	
    		EVERYONE CAME THROUGH IN THE CLUTCH!
    
    
    	SOOOOOOO, DON'T PULL THAT STRING YET...WAIT UNTILL THE DAWGS
    	ARE FINISHED!  THEY WILL MAKE HOURSE MEAT OUT OF THE D-O-N-K-S!
    
    WOOF!
     WOOF!
      WOOF!
    

    
    re: .160
    
    Just who are you saying is whining?  All I read was how the poor Denver
    noters are upset about the game starting early.  I haven't read any 
    complaints from Browns fans. 
    
    You want to put some money on that 14 point victory prediction, Small Game?
    You keep repeating it every other note!
    
    /Jeff    

    Re: White_dog_doo_doo_for_brains_head
    
     You have got to be the most obnoxious noter to ever 
    grace ::SPORTS topics.  Those $%^&@#$%%(^&*  form feeds
    are driving me #$%%^&* crazy.  You know,  even if you
    did drool over the Clowns in public the way you do, I
    would dtill know you were one of their fans.  Only a 
    very few in the world could possibly be the sickening.
    Put a sock in it, would ya !!
    
    Big Game

     AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH  .164.....  I wouldn't want
    you kids to starve.......
    
     Boy,  my replies are starting to look like DinsMorEs.
    BetteR TaKe a BreAk !1
    
    
    Big GaMe

    Hey Cacti,
    
    	Uhm, I don't know how to put this, but, there is one other
    	noter in here that compares to litelocks in the obnoxious
    	department.........snicker, haha, GUFAW GUFAW!
    
    Claybone

    
    I read the GT at lunch. I wonder if the Denver players/coaching staff
    is as paranoid about this game as the press. Ralph Rotten's right hand
    man, Jim Lassiter, has an article on the front of the sports section.
    Lassiter is rather strange. At times he comes up with some real good
    stuff and other times he is worse that the Rotten one himself. Today,
    it is the latter. Throughout his article he bitches and moans, whines
    and cries about the Browns not having to be in Denver on Friday. Then,
    believe it or not, his last line is, "don't worry about crying.
    Cleveland is doing enough of that." What a hypocrite! He called the
    Browns, "Brownies". He cried about the game starting on "Cleveland
    time". No mention of the fact that the other game is in San Francisco
    and the starting time is determined by the networks.
    
    Now lets flip the page. Well, well here we have the Rotten one telling
    a bit more of the truth. As it turns out, Cleveland was turned down by
    the Air Force Academy to use their practice facilities. So Denver wants
    Cleveland to come in on Friday and have no place to practice before the
    game on Sunday. Very sporting of them. Ralphie baby then points out
    that some Cleveland players will be in Denver Friday to face the press
    in a downtown hotel. 
    
    So, what's the prolblem? With the facts on the table, it appears to me
    that Denver is the ones doing the whining and attempting to get the
    unfair advantage.
    
                                                   HOOT
     

	All Donk fans are not upset about the time change, nor do we care when
the Brownstains arrive.

	As a gesture of courtesy, I am perfectly willing to let them practice
in my back yard. The only proviso is that they must bring cheerleaders with
them. In fact, I'll even put the cheerleaders up at my house... free room and
board.

Mike `Philanthropy is my life' JN

    Elways going to the glue factory after the Dawgs put a few hits on him.
    
    Go Bernie  Go Browns
    
    ARF ARF ARF
    
    Bill...oh, I'm sorry, am I supposed to whine, or should I leave that to
    	   the Donk "fans".

       But Mike, if they (the Dawgs) stay at your place, who'll clean
    up their mess? Does your town have a leash law. You gotta check
    all this stuff out first!
                                               Denny

    re.169  Mike, If Clevescum sends cheerleaders to your house, you better
    be prepared with a lot of dog food and a pooper scooper.  You will then
    see the real "DAWGS".
    
    RE somewhere back a few:
    Hey Whiteexcrement:
      someone will find you someday and shove your ^v^l up your Clevescum 
    Brown(spot)s(tm) a$$.
    
    
    JaKe
    

     Re: Clay_Bone_Head_Wade....
    
     Just what do you mean by that little remark, Claybone...
    I would hope that you weren't suggesting I, The Big Game
    Hunter, am nearly as obnoxious as Mr White_Dog_Crap_for_Brains_Head.
    If you are I am truly suprise that anyone with an IQ of greater than 
    9 could see me in that unfavorable light.  Just what is you major
    malfunction buddy!!!!????!!!!
    
    Big Game
    
    P.S.  Are you coming to play Foot-A-Ball with us this weekend you
    wimpy little girly boy????  If so, I would retract that little
    remark you made or pay dearly on the field !!

    
    Re...getting there on time...
    
    	That is all very interesting reguarding Denver not letting 
    Cleveland practice there...Why???  is the question I'd like
    answered.  Did the Browns not give them a place to play when they
    were there???   Why are they treating this game like they are not
    going to win???  Why do they act like they have resort to bad
    sportsmanship to win???
    
    re...Lowly choker JACOB...
    
    	just for you
    
    				BUBBY BRUSTER
    				SHOULD BE
    				   SLAPPED!
    
    	What bunch of chokers the steelers are...they had the game won
    and would have come to Cleveland to play the DAWGS....but.....
    
    	NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooo,
    	They couldn't do it!!!  Hmmmmm, they must have been thinking
    about D A W G   P O U N D  and the wooping they got at the beginning
    of the year....!?
    
    	In any rate...go home and cry there...will ya?
    
    WOOF!

    hey whiteturd
    
    I seem to remember the Steelers and a 17-7 victory played at the
    "Mistake by the Lake" a few weeks after the Brown(spot)s played
    a high school team that subbed for the real Steelers while they were
    down with the flu.
    
    Donks will win this week in a laugher,
    
    Donks 77
    Brown(spot)s(tm) 3
    
    
    JaKe
    

     Sound like Litelocks is afraid to play the Donks....
    You really wanted them Steelers, didn't ya ??  I know
    why to.......   Cause you, like everyother Clowns fan
    knows, that the Clowns can't beat the Broncos in the 
    Championship game...   HAHA HAHA  HAHA  !!!!
    
    Big Game

    Litelocks,
    
    	It was the Air Force Academy, here in the Springs, that told
    	the Browns no, not Denver.  I don't know why.  Hoot mentioned
    	Ralph Rotten's article, but, I could not garner a good reason
    	out of it myself.  Where do opposing teams usually practice
    	when they come out here anyway.  I would bet that it is
    	rarely the AFA.
    
    Jack,
    
    	If the shoe fits............you are really living on the edge
    	of your noter life!
    
    amf,
    
    Claybone

    re.178
    They refused the Brown(spot)s the field 'cause of the prohibitive cost
    of cleaning the Brown(dropping)s upo off of the field when they were
    done.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Steven,
    
    Please do not lose sight of the fack that Denver is the worst XX-X team
    in football.
    
    Hope this helps.
    
    Hawk

    After the Cleveland and Buffalo game did anyone else have a strong
    desire to eat a BIG-MAC ?
    
    Those orange shoes made the team look like a bunch of Ronald's...
    
    Jeff

    
    RE: road practice field
    
    During the regular season visiting teams get to use the stadium for a
    light workout the day before the game, i.e. the day they arrive. In the
    playoffs they had to arrive two days before the game. For obvious
    reasons they can't practice on the game field for two days prior to the
    game. There are two acceptable facilities, the Air Academy and U. of
    Northern Colorado. The Air Academy said no. There was no report on
    UNC's availability. Once again, Reeves and the local media are making a
    big harry deal over nothing. The funny part is they are the ones doing
    all of the whining and then turn around and claim Cleveland is pulling
    a fast on and saying they are the ones whining. Just more lies, Reeves
    speciality.
    
                                                   HOOT
     

    Hoot,  Can it....  I really get sick of you constant pissing
    and moaning.  Get A clue !!
    
    Big Game   ;^)
    
    

      Who cares when they come??  They are goin' down!!!

    News reports said the Browns are coming here on a differnt airline
    and staying at a different hotel than their previous stays. Sounds
    like they are getting a little desperate. Can't blame them.
    
    BoB

    The plane still lands at Stapleton and the hotel is still
    in Denver.  :^)  If it's taboo they're tryin to break, the
    game should be played in Cleveland.  :^)  But, you have to
    earn it, and in this case, doggie doesn't know any tricks!
    
    ;^)
    

      Let them stay at the local dump,  that way they will feel right at
    home.
    
      Oops,  wrong note...#105 is for bashing,  but Kay sir ra..
    
    		Tim

    Go Bernie
    
    		Go DAWGS
    
    				Go BROWNS
    
    This is it, guys, win one for us faithful...
    
    Bill...I think a case of uncle Bud will get me through the game, either
    way...

      Steven,  Good luck Browns??  Have you gone to the dark side?
    
    		Tj

    
  >    Well folks, this is tough, but,
  >  Good luck to the Browns. 
  >  
  >   May the best team win.
  >
  >  
  >  Steven
    
   Sorry Steven, only the better team can win. The best team won't be
    on the field in Denver.
    
                               Steve J. 

    
    Donks Dump DAWGS!  ERG!  

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<    
<    Donks Dump DAWGS!  ERG!  


	Yeah, the BRONCOS dumped the dawgs right back into the 


	"mistake by the lake."



	And they dumped them GOOD!!!!!!



	First it was the DRIVE....



	Then it was the FUMBLE...



	Then it was the DOMINANCE.......

	Ed^2

    
    	In 1987, the Browns gave the Donks "The Drive".
    
    	In 1988, the Browns gave the Donks "The Fumble".
    
    	In 1990, the Browns gave the Donks  (the envelope, please...)
    
    	
    	THE FINGER!!!
    
    	JaD

    Dominance?  The Browns were down 24-21 early in the fourth quarter.
    Once the Donks scored, they had no choice, but to play hurry-up-offense
    which ended up in a couple of INTs.  
    
    Cleveland should've gone with the RUN a few more times.  FIRE the
    Offensive Coordinator.  His play calling was horrendous.  
    
    The Browns had a good season anyhow.  They were picked by most to
    be LAST in the AFC Central.  They played without Mack for most
    of the season, Metcalf was only a rookie, and Bernie had elbow 
    and finger problems.  Look for the Browns to hang tough next year.
    
    I think the AFC Central plays the NFC west next year.  This will
    test the toughness of the teams.  
    
    Bill

    	I was bothered by one thing; why wasn't a flag thrown when
    	Kosar ran downfield and dropped, and why was one thrown when
    	Elway ran downfield and dropped? The plays looked identical
    	to me. Such calls (or non-calls) make me lose confidence in
    	the officials.
    
    	I would have also removed Kosar and put Pagel in the game.
    	Nothing to lose.
    
    	Scott

    
    
    You simply don't remove your starting quarterback under those
    circumstances.  I think both of the late interceptions were only
    slightly overthrown and/or tipped by the receiver.  
    
    In terms of next year..  I don't hold much hope.  This team isn't
    getting any younger.  If they don't get some youth on the O-Line,
    Bernie will continue to be banged up every year.  They have too many
    holes to fill (O-line, defensive backs, tight end, defensive ends) 
    to do it in one year.  Plus they gave away some picks in order to move
    up and get Metcalf last year. 
    
    They've had 3 excellent chances to reach the Bowl, 2 times I feel they
    were the better team.  This year they definetly weren't.  It may be a 
    long time before they get another shot.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    re: 198
    
    Scott,
    
    	You've obviously never watched the Donks play at pile it high
    before huh? 
    
    ;^)
    
    mike

     Re : Hit on Bernie....
    
     Bernie DID NOT do a feet first slide.  He went down and curled
    up.  At that point he is fair game, just as any running back would 
    be. If you care to dispute this,  I have it on tape.  I reviewed
    this play a few times because I knew it would be one that would
    be held in contention.  On the other hand,  Elway did do a patented
    baseball slide and was hit anyway.  The ref maked the spot where 
    Elways A$$ hit the ground and would have spotted the ball there
    if there had not been a penalty.  The reason the flag was thrown
    IMHO was because the Dawg Defender came in Helmet first and was
    trying to lay a major league hit on Elway. And why not,  The Dawgs
    knew they couldn't win with Johnny "Big Game" Elway in the back
    field.  The Browns had a good year...  But the Broncos were 
    better.
    
     Big Game

    
    I saw no difference between the 2 hits.  Both defenders went hit with
    the same intensity.
    
    What really pisses me off was the motion on the left guard during the 
    Elway play.  If you've got a tape of the game Cactus, take a look at
    that, the guy obviously moved well before the ball was snapped, no 
    flag!  Why the broadcasters didn't pick up on any this is beyond me.. 
    Those guys were sleepwalking!  
    
    

    	RE: 35.200
    
    	Mike,
    
    	I think I see what you mean! 8-)>
    
    	Scott

    
    Good summary of the Kosar hit Hunter.  Kosar was not in the slide.
    He was curling up, turning sideways in the air before Smith hit
    him.  
    
    As for Denver not dominating because the Browns had the game at
    24/21.  The Browns lost that gain as quick as they got it.  No
    contest.
    
    Now, you people should lick your wounds and root for the AFC.  If
    we're ever gonna stopped the NFC fans from saying they've got better 
    teams...we have to join together as a division and dominate.
    
    							Jill

     Here we go......  I was wondering how long it would be before
    the stuff started to fly about all the missed calls and junk like 
    that.  I got a question for ya, SNDCSL::HAUSRATH.  How about the call
    on the Donks for motion.....  I didn't see anyone so much as move
    a finger.  This was a well called game by the zebras and the replys
    went the Dawgs way.  Oh well, I guess you guys have to have some way
    to justify a 3rd straight loss to the Broncos in the AFC Championship
    game.  I know I'd be really Bumed out too.  

       How can you say the replays went the Dawgs way? Go back and look
    at your 'tape' on the pass the REFS called out of bounds. Definitely
    a bad call. It wouldn't have changed the outcome but it just shows
    the REFS DIDN"T call it 'all the Dawgs way'.
       Jill, I've got season tickets for an AFC team. That doesn't take
    away my grasp of reality. The NFC does have the better teams.
                                     Denny

I thought I saw both the OL move AND a flag thrown, but I could be mistaken 
about the flag.  However, the movement would have been negated by the huge
personal foul on the Elway slide ANYWAY.  Recall the 5-15 rule.  A personal
foul 10 or 15 yard penalty takes precedence over a 5 yard procedure or
offsides  penalty.  The minor foul is ignored in those cases.

	Ed^2

    
    Yeah...we can match ya on bad calls....
    
    No call on the late hit on Elway with 12:25 to go in the 2nd qtr.
    
    Juriga called for false start when Matthews was actually offsides.
    
    No call for Nattiel being pushed downfield immediately after the
    play when Juriga penalized.
    
    
    As for your grips:
    
    We've already told you the difference on the Kosar hit.
    
    As far as Slaughters "catch", it was a split second that they had to
    base the review on....did he have possession before that toe came
    up....I watched it all the times they reviewed it...and it could
    have gone either way.
    
    The only other thing that was questionable in Denver's favor was
    a favorable spot on Dennis Smith's first interception runback
    and that didn't cost anyone the game.
    
    							Jill

	Jill, I don't know if I understand what you're saying.  But it
sounds like if everyone in notes gets together and roots for the Broncos
they will beat the 49ers?  So if I cain get everyone here to pull for the
Broncos in the next couple of weeks, on Sunday January 28th I cain give my
bookie a call and put my life savings on the Broncos.  Sounds really simple.
Why didn't I think of it?         

				/Don

    
    Thanks Don, but that's not what I'm saying.  I'm talking about
    throughout the entire season and every season.  As much as I
    dislike many teams in the AFC, my loyalty is to the AFC.  
    Fans have a great deal to do with the game....as we saw yesterday 
    at Mile High.  I think fans of AFC teams need to be loyal AFC fans.
    It's true that you want teams in your division to lose more games 
    than your team...but I'd rather have an AFC team beat an NFC team 
    anytime.  If this happened every team in the AFC would still be even 
    up and the AFC would become stronger.  I know Raider, Seattle,
    and Browns fans that wouldn't even root for Denver if they had what
    they felt was a chance....and as far as I'm concerned...if you're on 
    the field...you have a chance.  I think a great many "AFC fans" carry
    team rivalries a bit too far.  That's what I'm saying.
    
    						Jill

      Broncos rule,  clowns choke!!!
    
      Obviuosly the Broncos are and have been the better team evertime they
    play the Clowns for title game.  Someone said a few back that the
    clowns were a better team the 2 other times the broncs beat them for
    AFC title,  but they couldn't of been or they would have gone to the
    "big" one.  Right??
    
      Anyway,  If Bernie and Mack were hurt,  then why weren't they pulled
    from the game??  I don't think mack was hurt at all.  It didn't show on
    any plays.
    
      Give Denver d-backs credit, cause they shut down slauter.  Brennan
    had a good game,  but to bad that they can't catch the ball more than
    30% of the time.
    
    
      See ya clown fans next year,  cause you come back to mile hi for
    another regular season game.
    
    		Tim

>< Note 35.208 by COMET::EDWARDS "Broncos...one week at a time" >


>I thought I saw both the OL move AND a flag thrown, but I could be mistaken 
>about the flag.  However, the movement would have been negated by the huge
>personal foul on the Elway slide ANYWAY.  Recall the 5-15 rule.  A personal
>foul 10 or 15 yard penalty takes precedence over a 5 yard procedure or
>offsides  penalty.  The minor foul is ignored in those cases.

You may be right about the 5-15 stuff, but with a motion penalty the play is 
whistled dead right away.  Elway's slide never woulda happened.

Scott

    re: 203..
    
    OK Steven, lets use your descriptions of the play..  Smith was allready
    airborn before the slide.  In other words he's either a better athlete 
    than humanly possible (i.e. he can change his direction in mid-air) or
    he was gonna go after Kosar's knees.  Class real class.  
    
    The experts seemed to agree there was NO difference between the two hits.  
    One was penalized, one was not.  Obviously the refs wear the same
    orange and blue goggles that the Denver fans do.   

    	Jill, I'm a fan of the team that makes me money.  Yesterday
    I was a Bronco fan.  Cain't say I will be for the Super Bowl tho'
    8^)
    
    				/Don

    
    
    Hunter,  I've allready admitted that the Bronco's outplayed the Browns 
    this game.  They were the better team yesterday, period.  The refs
    didn't alter the outcome, maybe the score, but not the outcome.  
    
    But if you think for one minute that the game was fairly called, you're 
    brain-dead.  The replays went the Browns way?  Name one!  
    One penalty was called on the Broncos, ONLY ONE.  Come on, I saw two 
    motion penalties that were not called.  There is no way you will ever
    convince me, or any impartial observer that that game was fairly
    called.   No way.  
    
    /Jeff  
    

    
    
    Re .212
    
    Sorry Jacksonta, but Cleveland would have done a better job in the 
    superbowl both of those years.  It would have been real tough to do
    worst.  
    
    Can't say the Browns choked either..  they weren't favored to win.  
      
    Re Jill..
    
    If you think for one minute that most Browns fan will turn around
    and root for Elway & Co. now, think again.   If the shoe was on the
    other foot, would you..  I doubt it.  The 49ers will roll, and Denver 
    will rack up another superbowl embarrasment.  
    

      Come on Hausrath (sp?).  The Browns were only 3.5 point underdogs. 
    The Broncos more than covered the spread.  The Browns off really only
    scored 10 points.  The defense gave them the other 7 with the fumble
    recovery and return to the 1 yrd line.
    
      And as to the other 2 SB's,  you can't sit there and say the clowns
    would of made it a better game,  because they weren't there.  They
    could have played worse than the Broncos seeing how the Broncos were a
    better team both years, thats why the Broncos were in the SB and not
    the clowns.
    
    
       Anyway,  The clowns can watch from home again!!
    
    
         Tim
    
    PS.  As much as I dislike the clowns,  I would have rooted for them if
    they were representing the AFC in the bowl.  It's time for redemption!!
    

    
    
    
    Sure, sure..  easy to say when you're on the winning end of it.  If you
    had lost all three conference championship games to the Browns I tend
    to doubt you'd still be rooting for them this year.  Face it, Denver is
    an obnoxious team,  I find them very hard to like, yet very easy to 
    dislike.  And the country is sick of seeing them go down in the bowl 
    year after year.  As usual they'll have played their best football of 
    the year in the Championship game, leaving nothing for the Super Bowl.  
    
    And for your information, I took this loss a whole lot better than the 
    last two.  At least it was over (relatively) early.    
    
    

    re Tim,
    
    The underdog in a game cannot choke - since they are expected to
    lose.  When the favored team gets beat, you can rant about choking.
    
    Re the hit,
    
    I felt Kosar was going down feet first - I don't care if they call
    it or not, as long as they are consistent.  Overall, both games
    didn't have many penalties.
    
    And as I said, I din't care who won, I was hoping for Browns/Rams,
    just cuz they'd be new teams in the bowl (I know the Rams were there
    
    once before).
                                       
    And if you fans have so much class, how bout stopping the name-calling
    in here.....
    
    JD
    

>    The underdog in a game cannot choke - since they are expected to
>    lose.  When the favored team gets beat, you can rant about choking.
    
     I can't agree here.  I'd say the Sox choked in the series vs the Mets,
     for example.  If a championship contender has a significant lead "late"
     in a contest, and then lose, they would have choked, even if an underdog,
     in my opinion.

     Ok, sorry for the name calling..... 
    
     I really was hoping that I could come into this 
    file and not have to hear the "Zebra" stuff just
    one time.  The Donks won this game because they 
    were the better team,  not because the game was 
    fixed or because the "Zebras" gave the game to
    them.  I really respected the Dawg fan that said a 
    few replies ago that the there were some bad calls/
    non-calls but that they wouldn't have effected the 
    out come of the game.  Thats some class !!

    
    
       The Broncos won..and thats that!

    
    Yeah Hausrath, I would root for the Browns.  I don't hate the 
    Browns.  I hate the Brown's fans.  I respect the players...
    they're a good ball club.  I can't say I hate many teams because 
    of players on the team.  Usually I dislike their fans or in 
    some cases, their coaches.  However, I can't think of a team
    were I don't respect the players....there my be one or two
    people I don't liked....but it's a good game and it's well played
    for the most part by all teams.  
    
    It was interesting...I saw a Letterman rerun about a week ago with
    Eric Dickerson and they had lost in the playoffs and Dave asked him
    who he was going to root for, he said..."I'm an AFC man, I gotta
    go with Cinci".  My sentiments exactly!
    
    Also, it might be easy to say when we're on the winning end...but
    I've rooted for the AFC team in the past when we weren't there...
    and I'll do so in the future.
    
    							Jill
    
    							Jill

    re.225
    
    I'm sorry to say, but you sound like a soap opera. The Broncos
    have beaten the Browns three times in the AFC Championship
    game. The Browns fans are a little disturbed by this. So they 
    have every right to route for the NFC. You must understand that,
    all Browns fans hate the Broncos. That is a fact. So!! lay off
    of them.
    
    
    
    P.S. Your going to need more than fan support to beat the 49ers.
    You will need a NUCLEAR BOMB!!!!!
    
    
    GO NINERS-MONTANA+RICE=SUPERBOWL VICTORY              WILL THE THRILL
    
    

We were watching the Browns-Denver game at my dad's house with all of the usual
commotion and flak (my dad and younger brother are Bengal fans, my older
brother and I have remained faithful Browns fans).

Late in the 4th quarter when my brother and I are in deep depresion, An NBC
promo comes on for the coming weeks shows for a movie called "Blue Bayou" comes
on and my dad says "just like Dixon and Minniefield". 

Quizzical eyebrows lift around the room. He says, "Yeah, you know, blew-by-you".

Bruce

    re: .225
    
   > Yeah Hausrath, I would root for the Browns.  I don't hate the 
   > Browns.  I hate the Brown's fans.  I respect the players...
    
    OK Kinsella, I guess that sums it all up then.  Glad to hear you "hate"
    a bunch of people you don't even know, just because they don't root for
    the same team that you do.  There's more to life than professional
    sports...   
    
    Have a nice day.
    
    /Jeff      
    
     

    
    The Dawgs were clearly outplayed in this AFC Championship game.
    It really seemed like they didn't even show up to play.  They
    could never get the offense on track and the defense didn't play
    well at all.
    
    Now, as far as the calls go... its all part of the game.  PERIOD!
    
    As far as the donks fans go... congratulations...  (uhm... I'm
    talking about the donks fans who have been in here the entire 
    year btw, and not those who entered in the last one or two weeks -
    i'm sure they know who they are)... 
    
    As far as the Super Bowl goes... the 49ers are clearly the top
    team.  Hopefully Denver will show up for the game, unlike the
    last two Super Bowls and unlike the Browns in the AFC championship
    game.  If Denver plays a great game, they have a chance, but I just
    don't see it.  I'm not saying this because Cleveland lost either.
    Had it been Cleveland v.s. SF, I would have been hopeful, but
    also realistic... the 49ers are a machine...  they are on a roll.
    
    As far as the Rams go... anyone who thinks the Rams would have
    destroyed either Cleveland or Denver is fooling themselves. 

    Even though I don't root for either team(I'm a Jests fan),I was
    pulling for the Browns because I felt sorry for them and their fans.
    Cleveland has had the longest major championship drought of any
    big city and has some of the most loyal and enthusiastic fans. It's
    too bad they lost,they're certainly not a young and up and coming
    team. Denver may not have been the better team in 1986 or 87 but
    there was no doubt on Sunday.
    
    Face it,Browns fans,you were lucky to beat Minnesota,lucky to beat
    Houston and extremely lucky to beat Buffalo. I learned many years
    ago not to try to predict winners on anything other than who has
    the better team. In other words,bet with your head not your heart.

        Sports,like life is not fair. Does San Francisco need another Super
    Bowl? They've won 3. Denver is 0-3. San Francisco will win again.
    That may not be fair,but they're the best.
    
    In New York we have the Rangers,in Boston they have the Red Sox,in
    Chicago they have the Cubs. All these teams have gone dry since
    before 1950. At least the Browns gave you some great championship
    football in the 50's and 60's culminating with the 1964 title. When
    you least expect it one of the Cleveland teams will win a title.
    
    It would have been nice for the Browns to have won,but they just
    aren't good enough. Cleveland fans,wake up and be good losers and
    stop taking this stuff so seriously.

    
    OK Jeff, give me a break here.  I don't hate anybody just because
    they root for a different team than I do.  I *hate* the behavior
    of those Dawg fans who pelt visiting players with dog biscuits
    and D-cell batteries and call in bomb threats.  I think that behavior 
    is unbecoming even the most loyal, enthusiastic fan alive!!!
    
    As for you Tuttle....stop trying to stir up trouble you 9er fan!!!
    
    							Jill

    
    Final words on the whole subject..  
    
    First, way back when, after the game in Cleveland (and about 2 months 
    before we ever saw you in here, Jill), I strongly critized the actions
    of the Fans in the pound who were throwing batteries on the field.  
    I also critized those noters who because of one or two bad apples, 
    labled all Cleveland fans as a bunch of loosers.  In fact Cleveland 
    fans are some of the most loyal (with these teams they have to be) and 
    knowledgable fans around.  Lets stop the attacks on Cleveland fans and 
    noters.  I've never seen any personal attacks on Bronco's players
    coming from Cleveland noters (other than an occasional mention of
    Elways teeth), but we get comments from Denver noters (I'm not saying
    all of them, you know who you are) about Bernie wearing dresses, about 
    Mack snorting the fifty yardline, etc. etc.  Give it a break, is this 
    being a fan?  Is this supporting your team?  I doubt it. 
    
    In terms of the game, I stated first thing Monday morning that the
    Bronco's outplayed the Browns on both sides of the ball.  That the 
    Browns didn't play like they wanted it half as much as Denver did. 
    I also stated that I thought (and most impartial noters have agreed),
    that the refs called a Denver game, but that this did not effect the 
    outcome.  
    
    I'm not having a problem accepting the loss, are you guys having a
    problem accepting the win, or what?   Boy, you can't give your opinion
    in here without being attacked from all angles.  It's time for you
    folks to give it a rest, after all, you won, be happy!    
    
    /Jeff
    
    
    

Jeff,

    I'm with ya, Jill...I'm sick of this "the NFC is better" stuff.
    
    I don't think there is such a great rivalry between the Browns and
    Donks.  They have been the two best AFC teams over the past 4 years
    and naturally fans from both teams begin to quarrel.  
    
    Four years ago, I was rooting for Denver (until the Browns game).
    
    Go AFC
    
    Bill...who misses the Bashing already...
    

    
    	But the NFC *IS* better...  Are you sick of it because it is
    a fack(tm)?
    
    sean

    
    Wait a minute Jeff.  I didn't just appear in the notes file for
    the first time.  I was hear a the beginning of the year and I
    said I wasn't going to be involved a whole lot.  I've put a 
    note in here and there, but not much as I had said at the start.
    I've always been a loyal Bronco fan.  Being a loyal noter isn't
    as important to me.  Weren't you the one who said there's more
    to life than professional football?   I couldn't stay in here all
    year and still believe that.  I've got other things to be doing.
    
    Also if you go back and read .232, I said that I hate the behavior
    of the fans that did do those things...that doesn't include everyone. 
    But be real...it also wasn't 1 or 2 bad apples.  The Dawg pound has
    a fairly large problem with this and it should be dealt with.
    	
    						Jill

    Beside, if you think about it 7 of the 10 playoff teams were NFL
    teams before the AFC came into being!
    
    Bob V.
    

Yeah...

You can always tell the Donkeys are doing well when Jill the excited hops in for
a few notes. When the hee-haws are slumping she's nowhere to be found.

Pretty amazing that somebody who is soooo busy can manage to find time to note
when their team is doing well. Real fans note when their team sucks..right Pats
and yankee fans ?

Metz

>Pretty amazing that somebody who is soooo busy can manage to find time to note
>when their team is doing well. Real fans note when their team sucks..right Pats
>and yankee fans ?

	That's cold Metz, so cold, but true :^)
	Jim M The Yankee Fan

    Jill, here's the :-) that Metz forgot in the last reply.
    
    Metz, don't be so careless nexted time, ok?
    
    :-)
    
    Hawk

    
    I showed up when I had something to say.  That wasn't for every
    win or for every loss.  So shoot me.  My team is in the Superbowl
    and unless you're a 49er fan...I don't want to hear from ya 'cause
    your teams are going to be sitting on their couches on Jan 28th
    chugging back a beer and watching it, instead of living it.
    
    						Jill

   >  <<< Note 35.242 by CSC32::KINSELLA "it's just a wheen o' blethers" >>>
    
   > your teams are going to be sitting on their couches on Jan 28th
   > chugging back a beer and watching it, instead of living it.
    
    I envision them rolling on the floor, with beer gushing from their
    nostrils in a fit of laughter, similar to those visions seen only with  
    a room full of comedians doing mushrooms.
    
    					Steve

    
    So there slobbering fools, what does that prove?

    
    oops...that's they're not there.  I'm getting too old for this
    crap.
    
    						Jill

    
    Jeff H, we're 49ers fans and always have been.  I remember in 1980
    in WEBO I when we were drinking some brews and talking about our
    buddies the West Boylston Police when we both decided we were 49ers
    fans.  Just because we don't put in notes after every victory shoot
    us.  We've always been 49ers fans.
    
    Go 49ers... I hear that's the spread you know... 49!

    	Hey, notes is only for Bronco and 49er fans the next couple
    of weeks.  The rest of ya SCRAM!
    
    				/Don

       Nice try Groaner, nobody buys it though!
                                Denny ;^)

    
    Actually folks, I didn't want to admit it right after the Browns loss 
    because I knew I would be accused of being a front runner, but, the 
    9ers are my favorit NFC team, and always have been.  I imagine that if
    the Bronco's were going against some obnoxius NFC team like the Bears 
    or Eagles, I'd be rooting for them... but when it comes down to my
    favorit NFC team vs. my least favorit AFC team, I've got to go with the
    Niners.    
    
    /Jeff
    

    	Hey /Jeff, I'm a looong time 49er fan.  Just ask Jim Wardle.
    Right Jim?  That's why I'm noting.
    
    				/Don

    Hey Jill,
    
     I'm a Bronco fan.....   I still wish you'd can the CRAP!!!
    
    Big Game

    
    As a sidenote to my previous entry....the last game I commented
    on was the Broncos loss to the Giants and before that I think you
    have to go back to around the Raider & Cleveland games for any
    comments from me.  So that shoots to hell your idea about only 
    showing up when the Broncos win.  
    
    						Jill
    
    P.S.  Get off my back NO BRAINS.....I've had it with you.

    Re:-.1
    
     The Feeling Mutual.........  I just hate to see the proud
    Donk fans dragged through the mud because of "The Few, The 
    Fanatical, The Uninformed"....  ;^)
    
    Have a nice day and keep up the good work,
    
    Concrats
    
    Big Game

    
    All right Jack.  Here's a disclaimer.  I will *never* understand
    the game of football as well as any man who has played it and
    been brought up in that whole sports mindset.  There are things
    you guys take for granted about the game that unless you've 
    played the game, you're not going to know about or unless you
    spend hours reading the rule book (which if someone will send
    me one....I'll work on it).
    
    I've only been interested in football since 1983...not very long
    compared to most guys in here who have been playing it most of
    their lives.  I've come a long way in my understanding of the 
    game and I still have a ways to go.   Some of my comments make it
    obvious when I've hit an unknown area.  I quickly get put in my
    place and eureka I've learn a little bit more about football.
    However, I don't think I quite deserve the abuse you seem to think 
    you have the God-given right to dish out.
    
    							Jill

     Jill,
    
     First of all I don't consider what I said to be "Abuse", I'm
    sorry if you do.  Second of all, I think you missed the ;^) I
    put in the title of my reply.  Third of all, you may be right
    about the fact that men practice all thier lives waiting for 
    the bear to come over the hill (ie: organized team sports and
    the like). But that don't mean there aren't as many uninformed
    males fans as female.  In FACK(tm),  I bet there are more males.
    I guess what I was getting at was that you really haven't been 
    in the file consistantly all year. And when the Donks finally 
    made it to the Bowl you fly in here with all kinds of fanatical
    statements, some of which have no basis in FACK(tm).  I really
    wasn't trying to drive you out of ::SPORTS or hurt you feelings, 
    if I have, Forgive me.  
    
    Big Game
    
    

    
    Should we start a BRONCO FANS BRAY/BASH NOTE?
    

    This is getting sickening......"As The Stomach Churns"
    
    Glenn

Pick a little, talk a little,
Pick a little, talk a little,
Cheep, cheep, cheep, talk a lot, pick a little more....

This reminds me of that wonderful scene in Music Man with the
Friends of River City Library ladies.....


[lotsa of Smilies folks]
Chainsaw on Broadway

    
    You know Jack.  I didn't even plan on being in the notes file
    this year because sometimes with some of the things that are
    said in here, all the ;^) in the world couldn't smooth things
    over.  I had several people send mail & call me up asking me
    to take part.  I came and said that I didn't have time to be
    in here all year.  The only times I've made comments were after
    losses.  I didn't come in here after wins and say "Denver reigns
    supreme" or anything like that.  I didn't come in just recently
    and make any fanatical statement about Denver.  I said that "I"
    agree with the non-call on the Kosar hit, I believe in rooting
    for the AFC, out-of-control fans ought to be dealt with, and
    that I've been here from the start....maybe not alot...but here.
    
    						Jill

    	Jill, you have to take everything said in SPORTS with a huge
    slab of salt.
    
    				/Don

    >No flies on this boy,
    >Chainsaw
    
    
    
    
    			C   O   N   G   R   A   T   S   !
    
    
    
    
    				:-)
    
    

    
    Ok, ok....I've put on a tougher skin & I'm ready for the onslaught.
    
    					Jill
    
    P.S.  I don't believe it....a comment from Charger Central. 
          Come on Glenn, isn't it enough that I have to sit next
    	  to ya all day?

    Saw, you wearing them 13-button navy trousers again?
    
    Lee

    re: .264
    
    Jill - I would say that sitting next to me has increased through
    osmosis, your knowledge of football ten-fold.  ~/~
    
    For the record, I will be rooting for the Broncos as they are AFC West
    division champions and the Chargers are in the AFC West.  If it were
    the Raiders, Seahawks or Chiefs, I would be rooting for them.  Note
    that rooting for and betting on are two different things.
    
    Live from CHARGER CENTRAL (with a new GM)...
    
    Glenn
    
    
    

    
    True, true....Glenn even cut out the Mini Page for Kids from the
    local paper for me explaining about the Superbowl and telling about 
    which teams haven't gone to the big game and the records of those 
    that have.  It even showed which states have teams and which
    ones don't.  
    
    						Jill

re Jill and the Mini-page:

	Jill, that's what I call a TRUE sports friend.

re 13-button trousers:

	Actually, I've never had a pair of those.  My fire dept
	dress uniform originally had a button fly, but, since I
	carried the US Flag a lot in parades, my Chief soon got
	tired of waiting for me to button up after that last minute
	pit stop before donning the parchesi cup to carry the flag,
	and they bought me new pants with a real zipper.

	My dad was in the Navy and had those 13 button jobs.  He
	said when you had to wear them you just plain didn't drink
	*anything*, else you could get stuck in the head all day
	trying to re-button 8^)


Chainsaw

       Whenever I did any drinking wearing those suckers, I only buttoned
    enough of them to keep me out of jail.
                                          Denny

    
    Hey, as I've always heard you guys say:
    
    	You take it where you can get it!
    
    You were talking about sports info, weren't you? 
    		
    							Jill

>    You were talking about sports info, weren't you? 
    		
Of course, Jill.  We straight up kinda guys in here....

;^)

chainsaw

      Jill,  You have to sit next to Glenn allllll DAyyyyy???  I feel for
    ya...
    
      I'm just kiddin' Glenn ;^  Also,  Glenn, change that to Bronco
    central,  youv'e been routing for the wrong team all these years (;^)
    
    		Tim

Is that all you guys think about is drinking? The main problem with those Navy
pants is that...


it gives a girl 13 chances to say 'No'.

Pete

    Nope, the biggest problem is trying to get at least one of them
    buttoned again when you're in a BIG rush to get the hell out of
    a "situation".  
    
    Kinda hard to outrun/outmanuever an enraged husband/boyfriend when 
    your pants keep falling down!  :*)
    
    Lee

    Kosar wouldnt know, his buttons are in the back :-)
    			Raider_Rich
    

     Yea,  I heard Bernie wears the new designer Rock Hudson Jeans.
    They have a zipper in the back and pockets at the ankles !  ;^)
    
    Big Game

  >   Yea,  I heard Bernie wears the new designer Rock Hudson Jeans.
  >  They have a zipper in the back and pockets at the ankles !  ;^)
    
  >  Big Game
    
    Just another example of a sissy Bronco fan making fun of Bernie.  
    It's getting old.  Give it up Big Lame!  
    
    
    

    Bernie's been a hurting unit since he went the wrong way down
    the birth canal. He made a downward turn at the bottom and got his
    first view of Clevescum.
    
    
    
    
    JaKe
     
    
    

    I've been out of town and haven't been noting for a while.  I'm back
    and I've read all the latest inputs.  The season is over for the Browns
    and I'm going to give it my best shot for the big picture.  The NFC and
    the AFC west are weak divisions with SF and the Donks as the
    powerhouses in those divisions.  They will always have a good record
    and most likely get to the play-offs.  The 9ers have been the team of
    the 80s and definitely the team to beat.  The AFC central on the other
    hand is probably the toughest and they spend most of the year tearing
    each other apart.  So it would be tough to get a 12-4 record in the
    central.  3 of the 4 teams in the central made it to the play-offs. 
    Odds would have it that one of them would make it.  What happend?  Well
    we are talking pro sports and there has to be talent on every team. 
    This would mean on any given day any team could win.  This is what
    happend at Denver.  The Browns didn't show up for the game and the
    Donks did.  I believe that player for player the Browns have a better
    team.  I agree with Jill and cheer on a AFC team but, there's one thing
    that isn't in the rule book.  The love hate soap opera that exist with
    Browns/Donk fans.  As for the 9ers I'm just sick of them.  As I write
    this note I'm thinking would it better for the Browns be spanked by the
    the SB champs rather than the team that got humiliated by the 9ers. 
    I've played highly competative sports and it always felt better that
    the team that beat you goes all the way, just so you can say the only
    team that beat us was the champs.  I think the browns  will be routing
    for the the Donks.  God it hurts my fingers to type this, so here comes
    relief for my flangies.  As for the rest of ther divisions, WHO CARES.  
    
    "Guido"

I'm not a Niners fan, but I've got to say I don't think that the
NFC West is a weak division.  The NFC Championship game was between
the first and second place teams in that division, and New Orleans
is no pushover.  True, the Falcons aren't very good, but on the
whole I'd say the NFC West is very competitive, and that in any
given season, anyone of the top three could take that division.

San Francisco is a great team, and they peaked perfectly this year.
Los Angeles was extremely competitive too.

JMHO,
'Saw

    Hey Groanowski:
    
    Where have the Clevescum Brown(spot)s(tm) been the last 24 years on
    Super Sunday??????????????????????????
    
    JaKe
    

     Ditto.....   At least the Broncos had a chance to get
    blown out.   ;^)
    
    Big Game

    
    	Don't look for the 49ers to have any where near as good a
    record this comming season.  They have to play the AFC Central,
    the best football teams in the AFC!  And don't think that each
    and every team wants a piece of the 9ers either.  The Dawgs will
    play they like it is a Superbowl!  I'm sure that the Bengals,
    Oilers and Steelers will also have something to say about the
    9ers trepeet.
    
    	The Browns will be a bigger, younger and a more dominating
    team than the past!
    
    	WOOF!
    

    The Mongrels may play it like a Superbowl, LiteLocks ...
    
    
    
    With the same result as this year !
                   
    Niners 75
    Neutered Poodles 3
    
    Oilers will face the Niners in SB XXV

    re.285
    Hey Whitehead
    The Brown(spot)s only have 2 things standing in their way for the Super
    Bowl next year,
    
    1.  The Pittsburgh Steelers will be a much improved team
    
    2.  Bernie "I can't win the big one" Kosar will still be the QB and
    chief fudge-packer.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    I would say possibly the Rams, Saints, Vikings, Packers, Lions,
    Bears, Redskins, Giants, Eagles, Cardinals, Cowboys, Falcons, and
    Buccanneers might have more to say about a threepeat than any AFC
    team.
    
                               Steve J.

    You forgot one other major factor ***THE MIGHTY BENGALS*** who will
    win the AFC Central.I agree the Steelers are much improved and will
    finish a close second.As for the Brownspots they will be nowhere
    I.E. 5 and 11

                 ALIBENGAL

    
    Can anyone elaborate on the reasoning behind this years plan B free 
    agents...
    
    Are the Browns planning on matching a lot of offers or what?
    
    I don't remember them all, but the most notable ones are:
    
    Clay Matthews
    Hanford Dixon
    Felix Wright
    Thane Gash
    Greg Racozy
    Gerald McNeil
    Barry Redden
    Tim Manoa 
    
    .
    . 
    .
    
    /Jeff

    I think the Browns may have made their first mistake of the new
    90 season.  I saw in the USA Today that the Browns placed Hanford
    Dixon on the Plan B free agent list and they protected Ricky Bolden.
    Dixon may be a old player but he plays the hole season.  Ricky Bolden
    is an Offensive line man that has been on IR for most of his career.
    
    What a waste of a protected player.
    

    
    I really don't understand the plan B but, the Browns surely are
    going to keep several of those listed...Gash, Wright, Mathews...
    I say let Dixon, Manoa, Redden, McNeil go.  They have to get new
    blood.  
    
    Several of the Browns played in the pro bowl...
    
    	Clay, Minnifield, Slaughter, Johnson, Perry....
    
    		Minnifield didn't look that good and either did
    	Slaughter.  I didn't get to watch the whole game but what
    I saw.....neither of these two did their job.  
    
    	Woof!
    

    
    "A Plan B free agent is up for grabs to the highest bidder."
    
    
    Not true. A Plan B free agent is given the opportunity to ply his trade
    with another team, IF HE SO DESIRES. He does not have to sign with the
    highest bidder. He does not have to sign with another team. He can
    negotiate with any and/or all teams except his current team. If he
    doesn't want to go elsewhere, he doesn't negotiate. Several of the Plan
    B players were requested not to go elsewhere but were put on the list
    because they can only protect 37. But, even though their current team
    still wants them, they can go elsewhere if they want to and someone
    else wants them and is willing to pay.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    
    OK, so if noone shows interest, or a Plan B free agent refuses to sign 
    with another team, the original team can sign him after April 1st.  
    
    It sounds like some teams have pre-arranged deals where they tell the 
    players "we'll take care of you if you don't sign with anyone"..  
    Of course, it's still up to the players, plus do they really trust
    their team's front office?
    
    What I don't understand is why the teams are finding ways around this, 
    when I thought the owners were the ones who created it in the first 
    place.  After all there is no bargaining agreement, therefore, the 
    owners are free to do anything they want, right?   
               

    
    Exactly, Hal.
    
    The owners are scared of total free agency, which could still be
    decided in a court. So, in an effort to pacify the players they came
    up with Plan B.
    
                                                  HOOT
    

    It also has the side benefit of increased parity.
    
                                Steve J.

    re:  -1
    
    	Not for those teams that have big bucks.....you get good players
    by paying the muchacos...
    
    

    re:-1
       Yeah look at all the champeenships Steinblunder has won with
    all his bux. When will people stop the 'free-agency will ruin sports'
    mantra?
                                 Denny

    
    	Lets look at a few things......
    
    	Oilers...lost several people last year.....to who......
    
    	The Packers.  How did they do with all the new people they
    	picked up....very good...big turnaround in one year.  This
    	will happen to other teams as well.  The Oilers on the other
    	hand didn't fair so well with the losses.  
    
    	Yes, it also takes alittle more than bux, as you put it.  But,
    	if you have quality players (ones that make the big bux) you
    	do have a better chance at being a contending team.  Sure the
    	owners have alot to do with how a team plays on the field, but
    	mostly by what happens in the club house.  
    
    	Lets see here.....if the Browns were to lose say...
    
    			Clay Mathews
    			Manoa
    			Minnifield
    			McNeil
    			Racosy
    			etc
    			etc
    
    	Where would it put them next year???  In a major dawg fight.
    	It would probibly bring them down to the level of say the
    	Squeelers.....  Oh, No!
    
    	Woof!
    

       If they lose those guys it's probably because Art Modell is cheap.
    Why should they be forced to stay in Cleveland if they can make
    more in say, Green Bay? If another company offered me a giant increase
    in pay to leave here, I'd sure as hell want to be able to do it,
    wouldn't you? Why shouldn't Clay Mathews be allowed to do the same?
    Because he would cause the Browns to lose a few more games if he
    left? Sorry, the system shouldn't work like that, especially in
    football where revenue is shared more than in other sprts.
                                    denny

    
    	Then why bother having the draft????   All players go the highest
    bidder...No, I don't think so.  If a team can't afford a player,
    then that is another story.  Let the guy go after his contract is
    over.  Its his option.
    
    

       The draft is only legal because the players unions allow it.
    We may be about to see that in the NFL vs. NFLPA lawsuits.
                                      Denny

    Hi litelocks.
              The mighty Bengals are going to whip Cleveland's arse
    again this coming season.Bernie and the bonehead's will be pounded.
          Good to see you in the Squeeler note.

                             Alibengal
                                    ARF ARF WHIMPER WHIMPER.

    
    JIM BROWN.....turns down the Hall of Fame!
    
    		Too much racism, he said.
    
    	He wants to know why others have been passed by.

    
    Jim Brown is already in there, he asked to be removed from there.
    He's particularly upset that John Mackey hasn't gotten in yet.
    
    hopefully Jim's actions will wake the powers that be up and they
    will correct the injustice they have been giving Mackey all along...
    
    I think it has more to do with Mackey challenging the NFL over
    issues rather than racial....
    
    mike

    
    also, He thinks Singletary should have gotten in.....

    Jim Brown is a publicity hog who has to take all the limelight he can
    due to his unsuccessful actor/producer ventures.  The guy was one of
    footballs all-time greats, but as a person he's a jerk.  Every few
    years he rises from the depths of Hollywood obscurity to start some
    kind of controversy (i.e., his "threatening" to come out of retirement a
    few years ago so he could still be the NFL's rushing record holder).
    
    Jim Brown was great, but his image is tarnished these days because he
    moves his lips now as much as he moved his legs back then.
    
    	--dan'l

       Singletary?? He's still playing. Brown says that Swann and MAckey
    should be in.
                                                                 Denny

    
    He hasn't asked to be removed, yet. As others have said, it is just
    another publicity stunt to get his name in the media. Has he beaten up
    any women lately? Have any women "fell" to their death from him balcony
    lately? He is without a doubt one of, if not the, best RBs ever but he
    also is an @sshole.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    
    	Bud Carson makes his first change.......
    
    		as requested.....by me.
    
    	The Cleveland Browns named Jim Shofner, offensive coordinator.
    
    		Looks like more than just me figured that this
    	needed to be done.  My only question is.....
    
    		Who is this guy?  Where did he come from?
    
    	Woof!
    

    Jim Shofner has been around the NFL for a while.  He was a college
    head coach (TCU?) back in the seventies and had a stint with the
    Browns as an assistant under Sam Rutigliano.  Shofner is a good
    coach and I think he'll be a good addition to the Browns.
    
    John

    The "Singletary"(sp) referred to in here is the guy in the United air
    lines commercial who runs the passengers brief case to the gate.
    Evidently, Brown saw the commercial and thought the guy had moves as
    good as his and figured he should be in the HOF.
    
    :-)
    
    JaKe
    

    	Jake,
    
    	I've often wondered if the Singletary in the commercial
    	and Mike Singletary are related. Seems to be some
    	resemblance.
    
    	Scott

    They are brothers.   Sam is MIke's younger brother.
    
    JD

    Put a smiley on that JD.
    
    you aren't serious are you ?
    
    Doc
    

    Doc,
    
    It is true.  I read it in a newspaper or magazine.  Sam is Mike's
    brother, and like the ad says, was an all-conference running back
    - not sure of where, but I think he played at a smaller school.
    
    JD

    
    The Cleveland Browns named Zeke Bratkowski, quarterbacks coach.
    
    	Now for the stupid question......
    
    		Who is he???
    
    	That makes two I've never heard of.........
    
    	Woof
    		Woof
    			Woof
    

    Zeke Bratkowski gained fame as Bart Starr's backup during the Green
    Bay glory years of the sixties.  He's bounced around the NFL as
    an assistant coach, most recently with the Jets.  Many of the Jets
    coaches have found employment elsewhere - Joe Walton, Billie Matthews,
    Larry Pasquale (special teams with the Chargers) and now, Zeke.
    
    John

    
    Oh boy,
    		That doesn't sound toooooooooooooo good!
    What kind of a deal is this....the Jets trying to bring down the
    Central by dumping all their coaches on us???
    
    		Woof

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.....I hope the ex-Jets coaches do as much for
    the AFC Central as they've done for the Jets over the last 8 years.
    
    haw haw haw haw...somebody actually hired Joe Walton???? I love it.
    
    JoJ

    Gosh, it was great seeing the J_WARDLE up there.  Made me all weepy
    eyed.
    
    Sniff,
    
    JD

    JoJ, talk of Walton reminds me of the two sports fans walking down
    the street towards each other.
    
    The first one says to the other, "I see you're a Raider fan."  The
    second one says, "How did you know?"  The first guy says, "I could
    tell by the swagger in your step, and that you're wearing a black
    hat with silver trim."
    
    The second one says, "I see you were a Jets fan."  The first says,
    "How did you know?"  The second says, " I could tell by the dumb
    look on your face as you were picking your nose."  :*)

    Lee

    Hi Litelocks.
       Hows it going.Alibengal here what's this about the Jests ofloading
           all there reject coaches to the Brownspot's.In my opinion
    this should help them become even more diabolical than they are.
          I hear the mighty Bengals are talking to Hanford Dixon about
             a possible three year contract.

                             Bengals for AFC Central 
                        Alibengals           Scotlands 
                                 No 1   Bengal Fan.

    
    Alibengal here...  The Bengals have come to the realization that the
    team to beat in the AFC Central is the Cleveland Browns.  The Browns
    have won the AFC Central title four of the past five years (1985,1986,
    1987,1989).

    
    re:  Alibengal...
    
    	As I see it...the new quarterback coach can only help...we had
    	none before.  Art will stop at no cost!
    
    	The bengals will have to do some very interesting trading to
    become contenders.......as of now....they are just pretenders!
    
    	Woof!
    		Woof!
    			Woof!
    

    As usual, Whitey's reply is way off base.
    
    The Bengals were 5 & 1 within the AFC Central last year....clearly
    showing that it was the strength of the shedule they played OUTSIDE of
    their own division that caused their demise.  They need NO trades to
    rise to the top of the Central in 1990.  The last place schedule
    they'll be playing, combined with their dominance within their division
    should go a long way towards making them AFC Central champs next year.
    The return of Ickey Woods shouldn't hurt either.
    
    Nelly

    Not a true last place schedule, Nelly, because they're in a 4-team
    division.  They'll play a second place team, a third place team
    and 2 fourth place teams (the Patriots and Seahawks), along with
    the teams in the NFC West.
    
    John

    
    Nelly.......
    
    	Ha!  Well, I can't remember who the Bangles played outside the
    Division last year, but, I know it can't be any harder than what
    the Browns had.  All last year proved was that the Bangles played
    ball best when playing divisional games...probibly because they
    were scouted better.  It also proves that you can't win the division
    by just beating everyone in the division.  You must play good ball
    every game...thats EVERY game!  Don't look for the Bangles to be
    in the playoffs this comming year...other than maybe...a wild card
    spot.  The Browns will still be the team to beat!  The Browns are
    making several changes for this year on the offensive side and there
    really isn't a need to make any defensive changes.....
    
    	SO THERE!
    
    Love them Dawgs!
    
    		Woof!
    				Woof!
    
    						Woof!
    

    
    70+ points scored against them in two playoffs games and there's
    no need to change the defense?
    
    
    excuse
    
    me
    
    while
    
    I
    
    clean
    
    my
    
    screen    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    mike  ;^)

    
    Mike,
    
    	70 points maybe.....but, still they won one game and could
    have won the other if Bernie was healthy.  The defense is still
    very sound.  You will see change in the defense but it won't  
    be coaching.  Dixon and Minifield you will see being moved 
    around this comming year.
    
    					Woof!
    
    you
    
    are
    
    excused
    
    but
    
    don't
    
    let it
    
    happen
    
    again!

    
    Hal the reason they could have won both games is becasue the offense
    was doing it's job not the defense. A good defensive team does not
    allow more than 20 points a game IMO.....
    
    we're both in HL01 perhaps someday we'll meet and I can really
    
    tell ya what I think of the Brownies  ;^)
    
    mike

    
    OK Mike, here I am..  I'm just recovering from my business trip to
    Phoenix..  I didn't splurge and play a good course, but I did get in
    18 holes at a public course (dormant grass, it's different!)...  
    
    Sure gets the old blood pumping for spring!  
    
    Anyhow, on the Browns.. yeah they need some help defensively too..  but 
    most of their problem was the coaching (too many blitzes) plus as
    usual the lack of an effective pass rush.   I don't see Pittsburgh
    passing them up this year, though.  
    
    /Jeff  

    
    Naturally I'm jealous, the closest I've gotten to a course is buying
    new balls at Spags. Actually lost and found balls to be prescise. I 
    figure the way I loose em I might as well spend less money for em. ;^)
    
    Of course you don't see Pittsburg passing them this year. Pitt is going
    to run over them again and again and stomp them into the ground.
    
    mike

    
    The Cleveland Browns just hired a new defensive coordinator...
    
    	not sure of his name...it was in yesterdays paper...
    
    	Anyone know?
    
    	Woof!
    

    
    now if they can just get him some players who knows what might
    happen...
    
    maybe they'll be able to hold teams under 30....
    
    mike

    .335 Was it Raymound Berry or maybe Gerry Faust???
    
    Woof woof...maybe only 29.5 ppg this upcoming year!!!
    
    KW
    
    Woof Woof Throw'em a bone!!!!
    

    
    Hey Mike, did you get my note..  I was in the neighborhood and couldn't 
    resist...  
    
    /Jeff

    
    haha yeah I got it. I sent mail to Hal he claimed innocences and so
    naturally I bLAM (tm) the IceMAN... ;^)
    
    Given that the IceMAN made a similar note appearence in my office under
    the quise of doctor manyzeroes (tm)....
    
    anyways we got the best QB in the central division. He's young, tough
    and learning to get better. the other three are either banged up,
    or head cases and all of the other three are woosies......
    
    mike 

    Heard on the news at noon that Ex-Steeler Donnie Shell is the front
    runner for the job as secondary coach of the Clevescum(tm)
    Brown(spot)s(tm).  Sorry to see a great player demeaning himself and
    considering going to the "world's only inhabited raw sewage dump"(tm),
    Clevescum.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    
    JaKe
    

     It sure is nice to see that the stuff is still flying 
    around here.  
    
    Cleveland  =  Large sewer in the midwest !
    
    
    Big Game

    I didn't realize that football season started already......
    
    Looks like the Donk fans have already licked their wounds and are 
    ready for another thrashing, right Big Game?!  :-)
    
    Hawk

    
    35.342
    
    SheepHunter... the answer remains NO!
    
    The question, have the donks ever won and NFL championship?
    

    
    Looks like the Browns made a move to shore up the o-line by re-signing 
    Mike Baab as a plan B free agent with the Patriots.  
    
    Glad to see Baab will be back in a Browns uniform..  Does this mean
    they've lost Racozy to free agency?  Or will Baab battle Greg for the 
    starting job.  
    
    Anyone have a list of any players the Browns have lost to plan - B so 
    far this year?  April 1st is approaching, so hopefully some of the 
    plan B's will be re-signed shortly!  
    
    /Jeff  

    
    Simple solution... Baab goes to starting center, Greg moves over.
    They better start singing more people...

      They lost McNeal (punt/kick returner) to the Broncos.
    
    	Tim

    
    The Browns won't need the Cube next year...  They'll surely have
    to move Metcalf to WR.  I just can't see them playing a wishbone
    offense, and they've got to start Mack and Anderson.

       Looks like the Browns are going to make Ray Clayborn and Lawrence
    McGrew offers they can't refuse. Clayborn made $900,000 last year and
    word is the Pats want him to take a cut. With his recent Money trouble
    the Browns may convince him to jump. Rod Rust wants him to stay.
       The story said the Browns want to put as many corners as possible on
    the field for passing situations.
       I hope the Pats don't lose Clayborn, they're not exactly overrun
    with talent at the position.
                                      Denny

    
    Browns may be trying to sign Clayborn because they arein danger
    of losing Minnifield to the 9ers.

    
    I Can't believe the Niners would want Minnifield after the way Rice ate
    him alive last time they went head-to-head.  And that was almost 3
    years ago, Minni's lost a few steps since then.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    CLayborn signed.  I think the Browns will be in big trouble if
    they sign McGrew.  He's a good player... but having three players
    from the Pats losing tradition on the team could be a detriment.
    

    I don't see how ... after all Clayborn and McGrew have been to moe
    Super Bowls than ANYBODY on the Browns, including Dawg-Face Minny,
    Bernadette Kosar, et al ....

    
    Doc, you forgot a few things...
    
    1) to accept the one-on-one hoop challange... I know why you are 
       declining... too scared to get embarrassed in front of a large 
       crowd...  ha ha ha... what a wimp... really showing your true
       colors now... pink and baby blue...  
    
    2) the Houston Oilers have NEVER won and AFC Central Title
    
    3) the Houston Oilers have NEVER won an NFL Title.
    
    4) the Cleveland Browns have won more NFL titles than the Oilers
       and Pats combined.

    Re: Rice burnin' Minny
    
    Last time I checked, Rice burnt/burns every corner in the NFL.
    
    Mike

    
    They'd use Minny as the 6th db (remember they signed Waymer) and
    as McKyer insurance.

    re.358
    
    HEY GROANER:
    
    You could be talking about the price of beerfarts in China and somehow
    you'd manage to throw in that:
    
    Team XXXX has never won an XXXX championship.
    
    Give the Sh!t a rest already.
    
    Have a nice day.
    
    JaKe
    

    Just extremely rare.
    
    JaKe
    

    Jake, you are too much !!!
    
    Floooorrwaaarrd as usual !
    
    
    Please note people, how Paul couldn't reply to my devastating factual
    note, so he 
    
    1) Got off the subject ....
    2) Recited ancient history ....
    
    yawn ...
    
    Oh yes, Paul are you going to also play football, or are you going
    to duck that the way you ducked playing a 3 game 1on1 basketball
    series ????
    
    Come on, inquiring minds want to know !

    Raymond Clayborn Was on Boston TV last night. He has not signed
    with the Browns. He wants to wait until April 1st to talk to Rod
    Rust and the Pats then he will make a decision. He stated that if
    Ray Berry were still coach he would have already signed with Cleveland.
    
    It's beginning to become apparent that alot of these Plan B guys
    are quite thankful to be away from Ramblin' Ray.
    

    
    In other words, he is staying in NE. After April 1, he cannot sign with
    another team unless the Pats cut him.

    
    re: .64
    
    
    Its official... 
    
    ICEMAN v.s. DRM in a one-on-one April 12th before the three point
    competition.  If anyone needs direction, let me know...
    
    
    > Oh yes, Paul are you going to also play football, or are you going
    > to duck that the way you ducked playing a 3 game 1on1 basketball
    > series ????
    
    Of course Doc, we'll have to outlaw zone defenses.  I hear you're
    really into ZONES.  Like in the 3 on 3 football game where you
    wanted to play free safety...  WOW!

    >Like in the 3 on 3 football game where you wanted to play free
    >safety...
    
    I expect you'll pay for the cleaning bill on my screen.  8^)
    
    The Wizard

    Paul, are u trying to force the issue ?
    
    Why ? Trying to deflect the spotlight in Reagan-like fashion from
    your noting inepitude ?
    
    Enquiring minds wanna know ....
    
    The Doc

    
    Doc, have the Houston Oilers ever won and AFC Central Title...?

    Has GROANOWSKI ever developed an IQ that is larger than the square root
    of his shoe size??????????
    
    Ok, dingleberry, to play your game.
    
    Have the CLEVESCUM Brown(spot)s(tm) ever won a Super Bowl, or an AFC
    Championship????????????????/
    
    Sure, they've won some NFL titles but David beat Goliath and both
    happened around the same time period.  Update your brain GROANER
    of just unplug your f%%%ing keyboard.
    
    Have a groovy day,
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Wow, my shoe size is about 21,000... so that's about right... you can
    figure out the units though... I don't have time to play with you
    bowling-pin-man (aka Jake)

    Your shoe size is 21,000 ????
    
    No wonder it's such a perfect fit with your mouth !
    
    Oh yes, and as for the last time the Clowns won a title, I don't
    think David/Goliath was front page news ....
    
    
    
    Saber-tooth tiger hunting was an Olympic event ....

Okay, I'll bite...who the ____ is Jim Jupiter!?

    C'saw, I'm real surprised that you know not who Jim Jupiter is!  He was
    the exercise hunk on Married w/children that Peggy ultimately killed
    lasted week.  And that episode happened to be a repeatededed too!
    
    Hope this helps!
    
    H'awk

Oh....

I sawed that one before.  I didn't remember Jim because I remember
that episode because Kelly licked her hand, and then picked up
something she "dropped" on the stairs....

(pant pant pant)...

'Saw

    
    	for that wetted spot in ma undies!!!!11
    
    

>>    bowling-pin-man (aka Jake)
    
    Not sure I understand, please explain.
    
    
    JaKe
    
    P.S. 21000, huh???what unit, micro-inches??
    

    
    	Cody Risien retired yesterday.......The man of the 80's.
    
    	The Browns look like they are going to be the team to
    	beat....once again!  
    
    	I saw the proposed...new divisions yesterday in the USA
    	today....doesn't look too bad....I'd go for it.
    
    	Lets see if I can remember the teams....
    
    	#1   The Browns
    	         Squeelers
    		 Fish
    		 Jets
    		 Bills
    		 one other east cost team...can't remember
    
    	I see some good games here....maybe next year.
    
    	I quess alot of teams don't want this to happen...ie...fish,
    jets, bills, etc.  The Browns will dominate!  Woof!
    
    	Oh, I thing the other team is an expantion team....
    
    	The Dawgs win it all!
    
    	Woof!
    		Woof!
    			Woof!
    
    	Jake knows...the squeelers have no quarterback!
    

    >>	Oh, I thing the other team is an expantion team....
    
    Who really wrote this line, Wildhair, Mr. Boston, Ralphy_boy????
    
    JoJ

    
    Maybe the Oilers will have a chance at a division title if they
    get moved out of the Browns/Bengals/Steelers division.

    
    I'd like to see a return to "local" divisions.  My cut at a eastern 
    midwest divison would be:
    
    Browns
    Steelers
    Bengals
    Bills
    Colts  
    
    Could make for some interesting rivalries.  All teams are within 
    300-400 miles of each other. 
    
    /Jeff
                                                                        

    Yeah Jeff, that way the Clowns, orange shoes and all, won't have
    to get slapped around by the Oilers throughout the 90's ....

    
    Jeff,
    
    		I agree......but, I would add Chicago!
    
    Come on Brooks.....get slapped around by the Oilers????  What a
    	Laugh!
    			HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    
    
    	Look for the Browns to be a new and improved team this year!
    	A lot of changes are taking place, but, the best guys are
    	still there!
    
    	Go Browns!
    
    			Woof!
    

    
    
    > Yeah Jeff, that way the Clowns, orange shoes and all, won't have
    > to get slapped around by the Oilers throughout the 90's ....
    
    I guess this is just wishful thinking from the Doc.
    
    When is the last time the Oilers won a season series from the Browns?
    Why don't you enter the head-to-head records of the two teams for
    the past 5-10 years and get a look at reality.
    
    
    BTW doc, now that LMU is out, which bandwagon you on... UNLV? 

    Still on that OSU bandwagon Paula ? Or is it the UConn(ed The Refs)
    Musties ?
    
    The Clowns are doomed - bank on it. Bernadette caint throw more
    than 30yds any more, your starting TE played with Otto Graham, and
    you'tr losingwhat little talent you had to the rest of the league.
    
    Better get that bed ready in the cellar for the Clowns ....

    re the last few
    
    And worst of all for the Brown(spot)s(tm), they are going to get their 
    A$$ES kicked by the Steelers this year.
    
    JaKe
    

    The Oilers have won 3 season series against the Browns prior to
    the 1989 season:  1975, 1978 and 1981.  The Browns won the season
    series in 1970-1973, 1976, and 1984-1986.  The Browns also won the
    only game played in 1982.  The season series was split in 1974,
    1977, 1979, 1980, 1983, 1987 and 1988.  Before 1989, the all time
    record was Cleveland 24, Houston 13 with the playoffs standing at
    Houston 1, Cleveland 0.
    
    John

    
    Browns won the series in 1989 3-0 counting the playoff, i think?
    
    So, since 1984... the year before Bernie showed up, and after Moon
    showed up... the Browns are 11-2 against the Oilers.  I must admit,
    DrM is right on this one.  The Browns better hope they don't get
    included in the Oilers division if there is a new alignment.  Who
    knows, they might change the playoffs to include strength of schedule
    which would hurt the Browns.  All these free wins...

    Cleveland didn't play Houston in the playoffs this year.  Pittsburgh
    knocked Houston out and Cleveland played Buffalo, then lost to Denver.
    In 1988, the regular season series was split and Houston won the
    playoff game.
    
    John

    Oops, meant to say Cleveland didn't play Houston in the playoffs
    in 1989

    
    Hey 00.00, what players have the Browns lost to plan B this year?  
    I really don't think they've been weakened.  
    
    Not much talk about how the Browns have been stockpiling defensive
    backs in the off season..
    
    Seems that Bud Carson is a little woried about how the Lions picked
    apart his defense last year with the run-and-shoot offense.  Add to
    that the fact that Houston will most likely adopt this style, and it's
    fairly obvious that some changes were needed.  Bud's approach seems to 
    be to throw defensive backs at the problem, in some situations as many
    as 6 backs might be used.  One requirement for these d-backs, they must
    be above average tacklers, able to take on the running back in the open
    field. Should make for some very interesting games next year.  
    
    Go Browns.  
    
    /Jeff  

    Hey Paul .... what's is Cleveland's PLAYOFF record vs. Houston ?
    
    You do know what that is don't you ? The games that count ?
    
    HAHAHHAAHHAHA !

    
    Nurse, do you want the Browns overall playoff record (indicating
    the number of games they've played in that counted, and how very
    few the Oilers have been involved in).
    
    This is a real reach... I must admit.  The Oilers have been slapped
    around by the Browns for the past 5 years and this is the best
    you can do.
    
    Warren Moon will have to send $$$'s to Felix Wright to get his
    birth certificate back.  Wright owned Moon in the CFL and he
    owns him in the NFL.

    Whatsmatter Paula Abdul-owski ? You can't read .395 ????
    
    
    WHAT IS THE CLOWNS PLAYOFF RECORD VS HOUSTON !!!!!
    
    Wright owns Moon ? HAHAHAHHAA
    
    What did Moon hit Clevscum for in the last game, 430 yards ?
    
    BTW, how many Pro-Bowls has Felix (what a manly name ...) Wright
    been to ?

    Did Dixon sign with SF?

    
    
    Doc, I can't remember how many yards Moon hit for in his last
    game against Cleveland... all I can remember is that Cleveland
    smoked them...  and Cleveland has a great win streak going in
    the house of self-inflicted pain...
    
    Moon 2-10 lifetime v.s. the Browns... 12 TDs... 23 INTs... awesome...
    All-Pro...!
    

    Hey  Groaner:
    
    Can you freakin read???????????
    
    Brooks asked you the Brown(spot)s(tm) record vs. the Oilers.  Not the
    history of the world.  Focus on answering the question, not turning it
    around into some way where you can be at a minor advantage!!!!!!!
    
    Sheez, Get a life Groaner
    
    
    Have a Peachy Day!!
    
    JaKe
    

    WHOA!  Somebody wake me up.....I think I'm dreaming that football
    season is here!  ;^)
    
    Claybone

    
    Dawgs dump donks... final score 1989... Dawgs 1  Donks 1
    

    
    Are the donks scheduled to play the dawgs in the 1990 regular season?
    

    
    1990 Browns vs. Donks XXIII
    
    Of course, the tradition continues, again in Pile it Hile.  
    
    

    Now, now Ice....I wudn't trying to stir up no trouble.  Let's
    save it for when the pups come to Denver this year...........
    
    Claybone

    
    This mornings paper had a list of all plan B signings..  The browns
    have lost 3 players (with 3 days left to go), the most notable being
    Keith Jones (rb) to Dallas.  TE Ron (Rod?) Middleton was also taken, plus 
    a safety whose name I didn't recognize.  Not exactly major losses..  
    
    I think the signings of Baab and Clayborne more than offset the losses. 
    
    /Jeff 

    
    Hey Jeff the Browns SIP....
    
    too busy to answer my mail?
    
    mike

    \
    The niners signed Dixon.  I hope this wasn't the safety you didn't
    recognize.
    
    Bruce

    
    
    The 49ers have agreed to terms with Dixon.  As of yet, he has not
    signed.
    
    

    
    No, Dixon was not the safety I was refering to..  Top Dog is now Dog 
    Meat.  
    
    The Browns did manage to sign McGrew yesterday..  bringing to 3 the
    total number of Patriots signed by Cleveland..  
    
    I can't imagine how BAD the patriots will be this year..  at least we 
    won't have to worry about any home games being on the tube. 
    
    /Jeff 

      Groanski,  Startin' your crappola already huh??  Can the spots beat
    Denver when it counts??
    
        Tim

    The Browns lost the player who named the defense the Dawgs.  The free
    safety who went to the proBowl in 1986, '87, and '88.

       Browns have not only signed 3 Pats, they're all STARTERS. Now that
    they have some real players they might even be able to beat the Donks.
                                     Denny 

    re: .412
    
    False data, Big Mac.  Dixon has reached an agreement with the 49ers.
    He has not signed with the 49ers.  I suspect he'll wait until after
    the April 1st deadline and talk to Cleveland.

    Dixon has said that he isn't too happy over the Browns signing of
    Clayborn.

    
    I can believe that.  If I were Dixon, I wouldn't be too happy either.
    My guess is he'll wait until after the deadline, find out what the
    Browns intentions are and then make a decision.  I'd say its 50-50
    he'll stay.
    

    
    Dixon will stay in Cleveland to continue his broadcast career as 
    Monday night Side-kick to Jeff Sindelar on WEEE Sportsline.  
    
    Plus, he gets free onion rings at Tony Roma's during the broadcast..  
    I can't see him giving up that.
    
    /Jeff

    
    After this comment by Dixon, "I want to go to a team that has a chance
    of winning the Super Bowl", I would bet he is outa there.
    
                                                  HOOT
    

    
    Yeah, and if he leaves, the Browns chances will be alot better after
    the way he got torched by Denver.  If the guys going to mouth off,
    he better have the data to prove it.  It wasn't Bernie fault that
    Dixon was torched against the Donks.

    
    Those were some of my same thoughts when I heard that. I wasn't only
    Denver. Didn't they give up over 400 yards passing 3 or 4 weeks in a
    row? I know Kelly had a field day.

    	Yeah HOOT, Kelly should share some of that megabuck contract
    he just signed with the Cleveland defensive backs.  That was probably
    his only good game last year and based on that Buffalo made him
    secure for life.  Good thing these owners are in a socialist system,
    they wouldn't survive in a capitalist one.
    
    				/Don  

    Will Dixon is now with the 49'ers.  I am sorry to see him go.  He
    was a great CB for the Browns.  
    
    As for Kelly and Elway's passing in the play off I would not totally
    put that on the secondary.  Both Kelly and Elway had all day to
    throw the ball.  I think the Defensive line was just wore out by
    the end of the season.  I think Baker and Hairston should retirer
    or just be spot players.  The Browns need to start some of the younger
    defensive linemen.  
    
    The Browns lost 5 players to plan B and signed six.
    
    Lost
    Keith Jones   RB
    Ron Middleton TE
    Hanford Dixon CB
    Robert Lyons  DB
    Jerrald McNeil KR/WR

    Signed
    Larry McGrew - LB
    Raymond Clayborn - CB
    Mike Baab - C        
    * Rose - LB
    Rondy Weston -DE
    * RAMM - G
    
    The Browns need to be looking for some ofensive and defensive line
    men in the draft.  A good fullback would also be a plus.  If the
    Browns can get a good defensive line man and a offensive line man in
    the draft they could be OK in 1990.  
    
                                                   

    
    
    JaKe
    

    Lessee...Need a coupla O-linemen, coupla D-linemen, a fullback,
    Hmmmmmmm, maybe a D-back or two.......hmmmmmm]
    
    			Rich
    

    re:423
    Bernie is OK.  
    
    The only team in the AFC central that is really hurting   
    at the QB position is the Stealers.  I am sure Chuck Noll knows they
    have to go after a real NFL caliber QB in the draft.  I would not be 
    surprized to see the Stealers drafting a QB in the 1st round.  

    
    Hear! Hear!
    
    		I'll drink to that!!!
    
    			And,
    		I'm sure Jake will too.....
    
    	Woof!
    

>>                      <<< Note 35.425 by WEDOIT::BOHMAN >>>
>>                      -< THE STEALERS HAVE THAT PROBLEM >-

>>    re:423
>>   Bernie is OK.  
    
>>    The only team in the AFC central that is really hurting   
>>    at the QB position is the Stealers.  I am sure Chuck Noll knows they
>>    have to go after a real NFL caliber QB in the draft.  I would not be 
>>    surprized to see the Stealers drafting a QB in the 1st round.  


    Gosh it sure is nice to know that you Clevescum Brown(spot)s(tm)
    moro..I mean fans still have a sense of humor.  The only thing that 
    Berni(c)e will excel at this year will be sucking the farts out of the
    seats after team flights.
    
    Brister rules the AFC Central in '90.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    >  The only thing that 
    Berni(c)e will excel at this year will be sucking the farts out of the
    seats after team flights.                                            
    
    Oooohhh....more delightful imagery!  I didn't know so many people
    could wax so elequent in one day.  Ol' Shakespeare couldn't have
    said it better himself. 8^)
    
    -Dick
    

    
    	Well, here we go, two guys from two teams that know Bernie
    	is the best QB in the AFC!  Thanks for all the attention.
    	You see fellow sport fans...these two have come to realize
    	that their teams can only win against the Browns is Bernie
    	is hurt in some way.  I'm sure they would pratically die
    	if Bernie got an injury that put him out for the year...then...
    	their team might really have a chance at winning something.
    
    	Woof!
    

    re .429
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Stop it Francis, you're killing me !
    

    
    Hey Saw...
    
    	And what happened to the Giants last year????  and the year
    before that???  I think we all know....They didn't make it...did
    they!!!  Why???  Because they have this wimpy QB called Simms.
    The Giants will go nowhere with Simms on the team!  
    	In any rate...if...thats a big IF, IF the Giants did make to
    the bowl...Clevelands record against them proves itself!  
    
    		Cleveland 2		Giants 0
    
    
    
    		Woof!
    

    Yah, but
    Hal Whitehair "of the dog that bit you", to use one of your famous
    lines "How many SUper Bowls have the Dawgs won?  How many have the
    Giants?"  Hawhawhawhawhawhaw
    
    Frank "Going My" Way - nice note in .429
    
    John Devlin "Miss Jones"

    
    Watch it...
    
    "Have the <insert team name> ever won a <insert title>?" is (tm)

Gawd, you Cleveland fans are touchy.  Even the Pats fans didn't react
so much (saving RCASO) when I ruded on Tony Eason...

I just saw someone that seemed to doubt the abilities of the Immortal
Bard (shame, shame, Dick -- for that I'll make you listen to my 
story of the Tailor in the Bronx who has to sew acres and acres of
garbardine...it's called "Field of Seams"), and therefore I just
attempted to requote the quote as my idol Will might have done...

If you must know, when I went to the SeaGawks game lasted season
I rooted for the Browns...it was way cool...

latereth,
The Lesser Bard, Chainsaw

    
    'Saw, I missted a day yesterday and am just getting caught up. You
    crack me up royally, and your waxing eloquence shows your true
    appreciation of the Bard of Bards.
    
    But not to stray from the topic, "Have the Browns ever read any
    Shakespeare?"
    
    -Dick
    

    >> But not to stray from the topic, "Have the Browns ever read any
    >> Shakespeare?"
    
       With a cumulative team IQ of 31.6, Shakespeare to the
    Brown(spot)s(tm) is something you do to get the mud offa da spear.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    JaKe, what is the IQ of a bowling pin?
    

    Why don't you tell us Porn-owski ?
    
    You're the ace of that manly sport of candlepin bowling ....

    
    DrDirtBrain,
    
    With your fixation on pornography and fudge-packing, I DO NOT
    EVEN want to know how you got the nickname - DOC!

    STOP PRESS                                                     
                 
    The mighty Bengals will once again dominate the Brownspots.Boomer
    who is the best quarterback the AFC has seen in years will lead
    the boys to the BOWL this coming season.Bernie who is diabolical
    will lead the Brownspots to the AFC Central Cellar.            
                    Hows it going litelocks have you not started to
    support a real football team yet I.E the mighty Bengals.       
                                                                   
                     WOOF WOOF WHIMPER WHIMPER.                    
                     THATS WHAT THEY DO AFTER A BENGALS GAME.

From what I heard, all the yuppie o-my-god-it's-naked-so-it-must-be-porno
freaks in Cincy, are getting an injunction against the Bengals this year.

It seems that before and after games, in the Bengals locker room,
grown men, with hair and p_____es and t_______s and all are actually
(shhh) NAKED!!!!  Therefore, they are going to get a court order to
make them stop.

From what I've heard, they are going to indict the team, and
then videotape the players getting undressed (evidence ya know), for
the big pornography trial...

Remember, you heard it hear first....
Chainsaw

    re:427
    
    The Stealers had a good year in 89, but it was not because of the
    play of Bister.  As for Bister ruling  the AFC central in 90, now
    your making me laugh.  At this point I don't see any AFC central
    team just taking control of the division.  
    
    The Browns will do OK with Bernie at QB.  
    

    re:'Bister'
      Sheesh, at least get the name right. It's (sic) 'Brewster', Punky
    Brewster!
                                              Denny

    
    	Chainsaw,
    		Do you really think the Browns are going forget what
    the coach said last year about Cleveland???  NO WAY!!!  Do you
    really think the Browns are going to forget that they lost two
    games to the Bengals last year???  NO WAY AGAIN!  Look for the
    Bengals to get smashed by the DAWGS this year...  Lots of changes
    will make it easy for the Browns to take another central title!
    
    	Go Browns!
    
    	WOOF!
    

    
    >                                               Lots of changes
    >will make it easy for the Browns to take another central title!  
                                                 
    Yeah, all those Patriots cast-offs oughta do it.
    
    BTW, Monday is a holiday in Massachusetts honoring our football
    team: Patriots Day.  Is it true that Cleveland has a half-day holiday
    for their team called "Dawg Day Afternoon?"
    
    -Dick
    

    
    
    Whitehair, settle down... until another teams proves they can
    take the Central Division why worry...
    
    Cleveland - AFC Central Champs 4 of the last 5 years.
    Houston   - AFC Central Champs - NEVER!
    

    The Clowns can win the Central Divison for the next 50 years - and
    they will NEVER go to a Super Bowl - and that's a fact !
    
    4 titles, and 4 choke jobs. Cinncinnati wins one division, and they
    go to the Super Bowl .....
    
    And Houston will win the Central in 1990, and be in SB XXV.
    
    The Clowns ?
    
    Gagging as usual ....

       Hey Dock, you going to start the 3rd annual 'Houston Oilers-AFC
    Central Division Champions Note'?
                                          Denny

    
    	Art Model underwent double by-pass heart surgery yesterday...
    
    	He is doing fine.
    
    	This is his second heart surgery...his last one...1983.
    
    	This man has done alot for NFL football!
    
    	Love the DAWGS!
    

    My best wishes to Mr. Modell.  I hope he'll be on his feet in time for
    the season.  He's the best skybox squirmer in the NFL.  Looking forward
    to seeing him squirm in Cleveland and Three Rivers when the Steelers
    sweep the Brownies.
    
    	--dan'l

    I hope Mr. Modell is back on his feet for the season.  He really
    gets into the game and shows it.  I think its great.  
    
    As for the Steelers sweeping the Browns I don't think that will
    happen.  
    
    How go the Browns are this year depends on Playlock or Braggs stepping
    in at CB and if they can pull together an offensive line.  
    
    We will see.

    
    
    I see a lot of NFL Schedules posted.. would anyone with access to the 
    Browns 1990 schedule please post it.. thanks,
    
    /Jeff

    /Jeff,
    
    	Here's all you need to know:	Home watching in January!
    
    Claybone (INCOMING!)

Oct 8 Pile It High

Monday night...


Better start the Yap.Yap.Yap now

    
    	Saw a commercial last night on the Ohio Sports Channel...
    
    		Felix Wright...........selling cars!
    
    	caption read...
    
    		Felix Wright
    		
    			Famous "DAWG" Defensive Back.
    
    	The DAWGS live on....even without Dixon!
    
    
    	Season prediction...
    
    	Cleveland Browns, winner of the Central with a 14-2 record!
    
    
    
    	Woof!
    
    		The leader of the Pack!
    

    	Browns got auto losses to San Fran, LA and New Orleans (after
    all... West isss best), so 13-3 is the best they gonna be able to
    do, if dat!  8^)
    
    sean

    14-2?? haaaaaaaaaaaa   9-7 will win that division, and it will be
    
    the steelers
    

    
    	Where have you been guys.....
    
    		The Browns were, are the best team in
    
    	the
    
    			NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE!
    
    	Don't look for the 49ers to win this game either...
    
    	Bernie will be there once again to distroy the entire 
    		leagues defenses!!!
    
    	The guy is unbeleivable!!!
    
    
    	Woof!
    

	Hal, you gotta convince me that firsted, the Browns are the
    best team in the AFC Central... then you gotta convince me that
    they are the bested in the AFC before you can even begin to talk
    NFL!  
    
    	As you progress through each convincing phase, the ability to 
    rationalize becomes infinitely impossibler.  8^)
    
    sean  

    Re: Whitey,
    
    Here we go again.........
    
    Barking after every reply!!!!
    
    Get that specimen cup ready!!!!!!
    
    Is that normal behavior?????
    
    Uninspired minds want to know!!!
    
    
    Nelly

    Nelly, you haven't seen LiteLocks sweat, have you ?

Dogs don't sweat, so how're we gonna tell???

    They wag their tongues and pant a lot.
    
    
    Mark.

    Frank - they sweat through their noses!
    
    JD

    re.462
    
    Hal,
    
    I know you work here in HLO as do I,but I'd like to meet you 
    someday to TRY to talk to you about reality.....as long as you
    are a fan of the Indians,Browns,Cavs you will NEVER EVER EVER 
    see your teams win a championship......NEVER EVER EVER.......
    
    That you can chip into concrete my friend !!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    That has got to be the first LOCK evr given in sports history.
    
    
    Tom

    
    	Tom,
    
    		One day, my friend, one day!
    
    	The Browns will win it all!!!
    
    	Out of the three teams, I'd say, we have the best chances
    with the Browns....2nd...the Indians....3rd...the Cavs.
    
    	The Browns, this year, the Indians...maybe this year, but,
    they would end up playing the A's and that would be tough...
    just like the major league...the Cavs...not sure...there and
    lots of good teams and players [one man teams (Jordan)](tm).
    
    
    	Woof!
    

    
    
    
    JaKe
    

 <<< Note 35.472 by PFSVAX::JACOB "Nonoxynol-9:Kosar's official toothpaste" >>>
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 pisser of a p_name there JAke!!!!!!!!

 coffee stains everywhere in this cubicle.....

mike    
    
        

    What is Nonoxynol-9 ?

Probably a spermicide.....

    
    	Of course *He* knows.....look at the team he supports!!
    
    	Everyone on the team takes them.....
    
    	
    	

    re-.1
    I was gonna state that it is the official toothpaste of the 1990
    Brown(spot)s(tm) but it wouldn't fit in the p_name space.
    
    JaKe
    

    Re WhiteFish---
    
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. 14-2?? Ha!
    
    		Raider_Rich
    

    
    re:-1
    
    That should read Faider_Rich... 

    
    	Does anyone know when the Browns training camp opens and
    where...I know that last year they were at the Community Collage
    there...I forget the name...
    
    	the last time I went back to Ohio I saw the Browns training
    camp end.......got there just as the team was comming out of the
    dressing room.  I got a picture with Bob Golic...what a guy.   I'll
    allways miss him.  Too bad he got traded...  He was great with the
    press and he never turned down a photo or autograph.  He is a big
    man!  
    
    	Oh I remember now.....its Lakeland Community Collage.
    
    	Does anyone know???  It would be appreciated!  I 
    would also like to know the times of their practices.....
    
    	Its really quite a seen, being there just at a camp practice.
    
    	You get to be up close and hear the personnal remarks made.
    
    
    	The Leader of the Pack.
    
    		Woofman.
    
    	:-)

    Training Camp dates will be out in July.  You can also call the
    team to find out.
    
    John

    >>press and he never turned down a photo or autograph.  He is a big
    >>man!                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^
      ^^^
    
    And just what kind of picture did you have taken with him????Something
    Bernadette Kosar would like to buy probably.
    
    The Brown(spot)s are going to have their camp at the Clevescum
    municipal waste treatment station this year 'cause it resembles their
    home field so much.
    
    
    JaKe
    
    

    
    HaHaHaHa!
    
    	Oh, how you make me laugh!!!  My buddy Bob would blow you 
    away, my friend!  The picture I got of him...He just came off
    the field and I was able to get him to shake my hand while my
    mother took the shot.  Who knows...it may be worth some money..
    sometime.  Golic is sure to go to the Hall of Fame.
    
    	Its funny how you talk about the sewage dump.....I never
    knew that it was built on one....in fact....I don't beleive it
    either!  If anything, they probibly used concrete.  And, You
    come from a town that is so rusted out that you get old just
    driving through.  What a bummer that I have to drive by that
    trash heap!  What do they have in Pittstown anyway???  Anything???
    No, I don't think so!  In fact, If Niagra Falls wasn't close
    to the state...I don't think anyone would drive through that
    area!
    
    	Beleive Me, Your team is just as rusted as the town!  
    		especially with at guy
    
    			BEVER BREATH 
    
    	
    	WOOF!
    
    

    Brownhead,
    
    Thanks for picking the Steelers to do well this year!  
    
>    	Beleive Me, Your team is just as rusted as the town!  
    
    You obviously haven't been there in the past 5-10 years.  It's a city
    of high-tech, glass towers unlike the ivory ones the Cleveland fans run
    to for cover.
    
    The only reason God created Ohio was so that Lake Erie wouldn't run
    into Kentucky.
    
    	--dan'l (Ohio U, class of '85)
    
    PS:
>What a bummer that I have to drive by that
>    trash heap!  
    
    You drive from New England to Cleveland via Pittsburgh?  Either you
    need to get a trip tik from AAA, or else you just can't resist driving
    by one of the most beautiful cities in America.  

    
    D'll, I don't get too close to that place they call the steel city
    but do run along the top past Buffalo then straight to the lake.
    So, the only reason I should go to Pittstown is to see the glass
    buildings...?  That makes perfectly good sence to me.  ?
    
    	Cleveland and the lake used to be very bad....at one time....
    the late 60's....but not any more!!!  It is now known as the 
    Furry on the Erie,Rock and Roll Capital of the world and
    	A good place to live!
    
    	Hal
    

    
    	Lake walleye is great!  You pay big bucs at the restraunt for
    	it.  I allways eat what I catch........in more ways than one!
    
    	Slurp!
    

>    D'll, 
>    So, the only reason I should go to Pittstown is to see the glass
>    buildings...?  That makes perfectly good sence to me.  ?
    
    Nope, H'll, that's not what I said at all.  I mentioned the glass
    buildings because you called Pittsburgh rusty.  
    
    If you want a list of things to do in Pittsburgh, I'll mail you one off
    line.  I'm not going to get into a LDUC with ya because I'm sure
    Cleveland has similar qualities (yes, JaKe, I said it, qualities). 
    IMHO, Cleveland and Pittsburgh are very similar except for the
    following:
    
    	- Their football team never won a superbowl (I)
    	- Cleveland smells (no joke, it really does smell)
    	- Their football team never won a superbowl (II)
    	- It was never rated the most livable city in the nation
    	- Their football team never won a superbowl (III)
    	- Fine, objective noters like myself do not hail from there
    	- Their football team never won a superbowl (IV)
    
    --dan'l

    
    Golic was not traded, he went the Plan B route.
    
    Lake Erie perch has to be one of the best eatin' fish in the world.

    
    Don't drink the water in Pittsburgh... you'll start to look like a
    bowling pin... right Jake?

    AHHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!
    
    JaKe, you're not going to take that are ya !

    Hey Midwife,
    
    I just consider the source.  Coming from someone who's obviously a
    legend in his own mind, has an IQ that is the square root of his shoe
    size, and his favorite statement is "Has XXXXX ever won the XXXX
    championship???",  I'll just let it slide off.
    
    JaKe
      

    
    
    Gotta agree on the Perch..  Sweet stuff!  Only thing better in my book
    is Salmon
    
    /Jeff

    
    	
    		CLEVE.....LAND
    
    			CLEVE.....LAND
    
    				CLEVE.....LAND!!!
    
    	WOOF!
    

    	
    >>		CLEVE.....LAND
    
    >>			CLEVE.....LAND
    
    >>				CLEVE.....LAND!!!
    
    >>	WOOF!
    
    
    Hey Hal you forgot this:
    
             SUCKS
                  
                     SUCKS
    
                            SUCKS
    
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    
    	Cody Rissen will stay with the Browns one more year.......
    
    		At the end of last season, Cody was going to 
    	retire but, he has now deceided to stay.  
    		Hmmmmmmm, I think he is saying to himself........
    
    		I'm not going to miss out on the Super Bowl this year!
    
    
    	.................................................................
    
    	This is the year!  How can the team go wrong...with 14 Assistants.
    
    	This is Bud's offence this year...this is his team...he said
    	he needs all the assistants, plus he is going to be more involved
    	himself.  That makes 15.  There is only one other team in the
    	NFL with more assistants.  However, two of the 14 are only for
    	spring training.
    
    
    	WOOF!

    Woof woof, you're definitely too much.  Your logic is one-of-a-kind.
    
    The Browns won't be denied this year because they have 14 assistants!
    
    Players X & Y must be on drugs because they sweat so much!
    
    Players A & Z must be on drugs because they dive into the crowd for
    loose balls!
    
    					Steve

    Yep, 14 assistants. Like throwing more gasoline on the fire!!
    

    re .496
    
    Cody Risen wants to hangon and get his tail kicked for another year
    SilverSheen ?
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!
    
    Kinda like ole Ozzie Newsome, who was supposed to have retired 10
    years ago, but wanted to get to a Super Bowl.
    
    Keep trying Oz ... but you better learn how to kick FG's from Blanda.
    The Clowns won't make it to a SB before you're 50 !
    
    14 Assistants ! You're right Steve, Wite-hare is Caso with a editor !
                                                                      
    Ha !

    
    re...the last few...
    
    	Yep, this is the kind of response I expected from you girls!
    Which is, by the way, the same kind of response the cleveland
    press is giving Bud and his assistants...example:  Can I talk
    to the offensive coordinator???  Which one???  the run, the pass???
    Would you like to speak to the special assistant???  get the picture?
    
    	Anyway, Bud says that that is good!  Thats the way he wants
    it!  He said that it will make the Browns play harder.  
    
    	By the way.....Trestman, the Offensive Coordinator...last year...
    is gone!!!  All I can say is GOOD!!!
    
    	More news to come.....
    
    
    	WOOF!!!
    
    	P.S.  I picked up a new shirt while I was in Cleveland last
    week....on the front...there are a bunch of Dawg running with the
    words Woof, and Trample all over it.....on the back is the back
    of the Dawgs running past with the remains of the Oilers, Steelers
    and Denver...one team missing...Bengals...why...because they don't
    figure into the Central drive this year!
    
    	AH HA HA HA HA HA !!!
    
    

    too many cooks...

    Does Bernie have his own makeup man?

Only if they bring back Sam Retigleono(sp) will they win!!1  ;^)0000



Monty

    
    Doc,
    Make that Lou "The Toe" Groza. 
    
                       HOOT
    

    
    	I imagine that the next letter I get will be on my B-day...
    
    		July...
    
    
    WOOF!
    

    no, no, no, youre not a leo  are ya?
    

    	No Dinz, he's a Hal.
    
    				/Don

    Somebody get Hal some K-Y ...
    
    
    Bernie's comming to town !
    
    WOOOOOOOOO-OOOHHHHHHRRRFFFFFFFF !!!!!!!!!
                     
    HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA !!!!!!
    
    Hey Hal, can those assistants cover receivers ?  
    
    I thought so !
    
    When is the last time those assistants ever won a Super Bowl !
    
    I thought so - NEVER !
    
    As was ...
    
    As is ....
    
    
    As it shall ever be !
    
    
    
    Cleve-scum, 2nd class !

    No, Dinz, Jesus was a Capricorn.
    
    

And lemme tell ya, could Jesus play basketball.

Being kind of tall for the times, he played power forward for the
Bethlehem Bulls.  Man, did Jesus have some moves.  He had a reverse
layup that would fool all but the best in the inside game, and
he D was, well, flawless.

Great outside shooter, and there was no one, literally no one better
in the game at saving balls going out of bounds!

A sight to behold....

Chainsaw

    
    Hey Guy.....
    
    		WRONG NOTE!!!
    
    
    
    	WOOF!
    

      How does Denver figure into the Central??  I think you've lost it
    dogman.
    
       		Tim

    
    	Tim,
    	Denver, Its like a grudge....ya know.
    
    	Denver *will* be trampled this year by the Dawgs!
    
    	How can we lose???  with 14 assistants....we *should* be able
    to win it all!
    
    	WOOF!
    

    Hey litelocks the mighty BENGALS will destroy the Brownspots
    again this coming season.Remember last years blowouts ie 21 14 at
    the jungle and the famous 21 to 0 shutout at the dog house HA HA
    Boomer will lead the boys to another Bowl this season.
    
                     BIG AL

    
    	Do you really think so there BIG AL???  I don't!
    
    	The Browns will be repaying the Bengals for the remarks made
    last year!  If I remember correctly....the 21-14...blowout???  Not
    a blowout by the score, thats for sure, was a game lost because
    of poor officiating!  The other game...the score may show a blowout,
    but, it surely wasn't the Bengals rolled over the Browns...it was
    more like the Browns handing the Bengals the game.  Several fumbles
    and a bad Bernie day.  I do beleive that Bernie was hurt when he
    played that game.
    	So, take your so called blowout, which is what it is becuause
    your just blowing it out your $$$, and saver it!  You won't be able
    to prominade this comming year!  
    	By the way.....did the Bengals win the American Football Central
    Division last year???  Did the Bengals play in the playoffs last
    year???  
    	Boomer will get bombed this year!!!
    
    	
    	WOOF!

    Hey Hal,
    
    With all of the "poor officiating" bull$hit you come up with, do you
    by chance have any ties with Clemson??????
    
    In other news, the Brown(spot)s(tm) have announced that the jacuzzi in
    the locker room at Municipal sludgepit in Clevescum will have a handle
    installed beside it which will fluch it clean, reason being that they
    say they have assembled the biggest collection of sh@t spewing a$$holes
    that the NFL has ever seen.
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Some owner news...
    
    	Art Modell sounds more feisty than ever and raring to go, 
    following recovery from his second heart bypass surgery.  He returned
    from the owners' meetings in Dallas saying he's feeling much stronger.
     His voice has fire it it and he minces no words.  He is frustrated.
     He wants that Super Bowl NOW.  He says, "I'M TIRED OF WAITING.
     I'M TIRED OF PROMISES.  WE HAVE GIVEN OUR COACHES EVERYTHING THEY
    WANT.  WE HAVE THE MOST COACHES AND WE HAVE YET TO REACH OUR GOAL."
    Although he says his words shouldn't be construed as a threat to
    Coach Bud Carson, now starting the second year of a three year
    contract, it's plain another disappointment isn't going to be accepted
    mildly.
    

    ........................................................................
    
    Modell also has a message for Frank Minnifield and other players
    who threaten not to report to camp unless they get the contracts
    they are seaking.  The Browns' chief says, 'WE WON'T BE INTIMIDATED.
     I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THIS PLAYER ASKING FOR MORE THAN ANOTHER
    PLAYER.  WE PAY THEM WHAT WE THINK THEY ARE WORTH AND I NEVER HAVE
    BEEN IMBARRASSED BY WHAT WE HAVE OFFERED OUR PLAYERS.  IN MY 30
    YEARS HERE MY CONSCIENCE IS CLEAR.  NOBODY EVER HAS BEEN
    SHORT-CHANGED."
    	Minnifield says he wants tobe paid more than Raymond Clayborn,
    a veteran cornerback who became a free agent and was signed by the
    Browns for 1.8 Mil over two years.
    	Minni is a fine player says Modell....Hell be offered a contract
    according to his abilities, but not according to somebody else's
    contract.  
    
    
    	......................................................
    
    	I got a new dog this last week...and named him
    
    		BONES.......
    
    		:-)
    
    	WOOF!
    

    Who is on the Cleveland coaching staff and what are their duties?
    
    John

    
    	You asked for it.....THE STAFF!
    
    	Ron Medlin, Assistant Trainer
    	
    	Mark smith, Assistant Trainer
    
    	Bill Tessendorf, Head Trainer
    
    	Labeeb Beggiani, Assistant Strength and Conditioning
    
    	Gary Wroblewski, Assistant Strength and Conditioning
    
    	Stan Jones, Strength and Conditioning Coach
    
    	Paul Lanham, Special Teams Coach
    
    	Jed Hughes, Secondary Coach
    
    	John Terrlinck, Defensive Line Coach
    
    	Dan Radakovich, Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers Coach
    
    	Bud Carson, Head Coach
    
    	Marc Trestman, Offensive Coordinator/Quaterbacks Coach (X)
    
    	Lionel Taylor, Special Assistant - Offensive/Tight ends
    
    	George Sefcik, Running Backs Coach
    
    	Richard Mann, Receivers Coach
    
    	Joe Popp, Special Assistant to the Head Coach
    
    	Hal Hunter, Offensive Line Coach
    
    	Bob Glenn, Assistant Equipment Manager
    
    	John Wuehrmann, Video Director
    
    	John Dube, Assistant Video Director
    
    	Jim Parson, Assistant Equipment Manager
    
    	J J Miller, Assistant Equipment Manager
    
    
    	This is last years coaching staff.......by the way....
    
    	I'll try and update as time goes on.....
    
    
    	WOOF!
    
    

    Hey Hal
    
    You forgot Brucie "Bruiser" LaRue,  Bernie's bedside coach!!!
    
    
    
    
    
    JaKe
    
    
    

    What a roster.  It's now quite obvious the Browns will go undefeated!
    With a roster of coaches like that, how can they not?!!
    
    					Steve

    If I remember right, they brought in a couple of new people to replace
    Trestman.  Then, other than the fact that they have 3 Strength and
    Conditioning coaches, it's not that much different than most of
    the other staffs around the league.  Cincinnati and Pittsburgh
    traditionally have fewer assistants than anybody.  Having 3 strength
    and conditioning coaches is very unusual.  Trainers, equipment managers
    and film people usually aren't considered part of the coaching staff.
    
    John

    I heard the Cleveland "Popcorn Sales" coach is predicting big things
    this year.

    
    Projected sales are up... they're switching to Orville's brand.

    	Reggie Langhorne is still on crutches following arthroscopic
    knee surgery but vows he'll be ready for the camp opener.  The quiet
    Langhorne is a special person.  Throughout the season he refuses
    to make paid appearances, turning down big checks, but always is
    ready to give his services gratis for the benefit for needy kids.
     He currently is heading a group seeking to purchase a home for
    mentally retarded children in Smithfield, Va., where he lives.
    \
    
    	When several Browns went to the Grafton Correctional Institute
    recently for a basketball game against the guards.....it had to
    be halted when the concrete gym floor became too wet......
    
    
    		I don't get it?????.....
    
    	Anyway, several inmates invited Webster Slaughter to listen
    to a rap song they had written.  Slaughter brought down the house
    when he followed with his own impromptu rap, using the names of
    his teammates, the guards and even some of the imnates in his song.
    
    
    
    	WOOF!!!
    
    

    
    	Modell has no Super Bowl ring but he has already attained an
    honor never before accorded by the NFL.  The meetings in Dallas
    were opened with Commissioner Paul Tagliabue welcoming Modell back
    after his surgery.  Then, to the astonishment of the Browns' boss,
    the Commissioner presented him with a framed testimonial, 3 feet
    by 5 feet, signed by all the other 27 owners.  The plawue read in
    part, "Your leadership and achievement in securing the latest round
    of TV contracts again makes it clear you are one of those special
    people. . . We want to thank you for a job very well done, achieved
    with grace and in the best interests of the league."  This singular
    tribute, of course, was for the $3.645 billion - thats right, billion
    - four-year contracts he negotiated with the various networks. 
    This is the biggest deal in the history of TV.  To put the figure
    in perspective, its far greater than the prices paid for entire
    networks and studios.  Moreover, the NFL didn't sell anything. 
    It just rented out its product for four years, which makes the deal
    even more phenomenal. ... Jim Bailey, a Browns vice president who
    was at the meeting, said Modell was stunned by the tribute "and
    was deeply touched."  It was an emotional moment."
    
    .................................................................
    
    	What a guy that Art Modell is!  Too bad other owners can't
    be alittle more like him!  The Browns will give him what he wants
    more than anything........
    
    
    
    			THE SUPER BOWL RING
    
    			     THIS YEAR!
    
    
    WOOF!
    
    		Come here Bones........
    

    I will say this about Art Modell - despite his legendary non-patience
    with coaches and his tendency to interfere too much in the football
    part of the operation, he is a brilliant negotiator and the NFL
    owes him a debt of gratitude for doing such a great job bleeding
    money out of the networks during a time when rights fees are going
    down.  That was a nice gesture by his peers.
    
    John

    It looks like the "Walton_effect" is running wild in the AFC Central.
    
    The Brownstains just signed Nuu Faaola to a one yr. contract....it's
    contagious , the AFC Central will soon be the worst division in the NFL
    (if it wasn't already).
    
    JoJ

    
    	Who is he and what does he do???

    
    He is a short yardage FB. I believe he had one good year with the
    pathetic Jets. He is a relatively slow steamroller type that will
    get you the tough 1-2 yards. That is if the coach isn't so stupid
    to give him the ball 5 yards deep in the backfield on a draw. Good
    pick-up for a look see.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

       Rolling on that Flower bit.   Re-Modell,  That man will never have a
    SB ring.
    
    	Tim

    Hey Hal,
    	I didnt see a coaching position for assistant shoe-lace
    checker/re-lacer. I think that would put them over the top.
    
    			Raider_Rich
    

    **********N E W S F L A S H ************************************
    
    At the annual "Stupid Stars" competition, also known as the
    Brown(spot)s(tm) spring picnic Bernie Kosar sucked a golf ball thru a
    10 foot section of garden hose.
    
    Kevin Mack then walked up to Kosar, put his arm around him and called
    him darling!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Whats the matter there Jake???  getting worried already?  Those
    Squeelers just arn't gona do it this year are they???  yep,
    With ol bubble breath bubby blister at the helm there is just 
    nothing to root for anymore.....is there!  
    
    	Look for your Squeelers to take the basement this year.....
    
    Don't they play their first game against the Dawgs???  What a 
    way to start the season.....with a loss!!!
    
    	Go back home will ya......and go back to bed.......because
    thats the only way you will ever see the Sqeelers win anything
    in the Central......in your dreams! 
    
    	
    	Sick'em Bones!!!
    
    
    	WOOF!
    

    I ain't scared, just gotta shake the rust out and rattle your cage
    every now and then.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    I just heard Bernie Bonehead might miss the start on the
    season.Seemingly he got arrested for wearing womens clothes when
    entering the Gents toilets.He faces a six month sentence.His only
    alibi was he said he was colour blind,and was breaking the clothes
    in for his wife.

    Gee, I thought that Vinny Testravert in Tampa Bay was the only
    color blind QB in the NFL.  You sure you got the story straight.
    I know how information can change when you Scot's go to the pub
    and start swapping storys.  
    
    OLD BOOMER is in for a long season or perhaps I should say short
    season.  I heard that Cinci's offensive coordinater left and 
    SAM the man is taking total control of the offense.  That along
    with them lossing one of their best offensive lineman should get
    OLD BOOMER on the IR list around game 6 of the season.  

    
    			CHANGE IN LINE
    
    The Browns waived defensive tackle Carl (Big Daddy) Hairston yesterday
    after the 14-year veteran declined to retire.  They filled the roster
    spot by re-signing tackle Darryl Sims.
    	A source on the team said Hairston "was crushed" when the club
    asked him recently to retire.  The source said Hairston was upset
    at the timing of the decision and believed it harmed his chances
    of latching on with another team.
    	Team rosters are limited to 80 players for training camp.  Since
    National Football League camps open this week and next virtually
    all roster spots are accounted for.
    	Nevertheless, Hairston, 37, chose to be waived so he can try
    to play a 15th season with another club.
    	Because of the development of some of our young defensive linemen
    and in fairness to Carl, we approached him about retiring.  Ernie
    Accorsi, executive vice president, said in a statement released
    by the club.  Carl then asked to be waived to see if any other NFL
    team had an interest in him.
    	If carl finds someone interested he wants to give it a try.
     If not, he's expressed an interest in joining the team in another
    capacity and we've offered him a position.
    	Kevin Byrne, vice president of public relations, said Hairston
    has been offered a part-time position in the personnel department.
    	Hairston yesterday declined to elaborate on the club's decision.
     I really want to get my thoughts together first, he said.
    	In another statement, Browns President Art Modell said:  "With
    a man who has given so much to this organization the last five
    (actually, it's six) years, you want to make sure he's treated with
    all the dignity he deserves.
    	
    Hairston led the team in sacks in 1986 and 87 and was third in 85
    and 89.  He had 37.5 sacks in his six years in Cleveland, more than
    any other Brown during that time.
    	He has 93 sacks in his career, 46.5 since it became an official
    statistic in 82, ranking him 27th among active players.  
    	A respected team leader, Hairston was voted defensive most valuable
    player by the Cleveland Touchdown Club in 87 and was defensive captain
    from 86-88.  He also served five years as the Eagles defensive captain.
     In 14 seasons, Hairston missed only three games because of injury.
    	He might best be remembered for running 40 yards with a lateral
    following a Clay Matthews interception in a 87 game against Cincinnati.
    	The Browns gave up only a 85 ninth-round draft choice for Hairston,
    then 32.
    
    
    	The club also announced it had waived backup center and long
    snapper Tom Baugh and signed three draft choices - tight end, Scott
    Galbraith, seventh round, USC; cornerback Mike Wallace, 10th, Jackson
    State; and quarterback Clemente Gordon, 11th, Grambling.
    
    	The Browns announced that window sale for home exhibition games
    Aug 19 and Aug 25 will begin Monday.  Single game regular season
    tickets go on sale Aug 27.
    
    
    Also, Bernie Baby has gotten married!
    
    	WOOF WOOF WOOF
    

    
    >    Also, Bernie Baby has gotten married!

    Who's the lucky guy?
    
    Dickster
    

   
Somebody check Hal's ring finger....  :^)

just kidding ....

mike    

    
    	Bernie married Babette Ferre in Boca Raton Fla., she was
    a collage sweetheart.
    
    
    	Woof!
    

    
    His college sweetheart, Babs.  Must be a yuppy puppy.  WOOF!
    
    Dickster
    

    
    The Browns Frank Minnifield said he will be in Cleveland today with
    his wife, Diane, and his 16 month old son, Chase, and the veran
    cornerback who hasn't signed his 1990 contract, said he hopes to
    be at Lakeland Community College when the team opens training camp
    Sunday.
    	Our bags are packed and in the car, he said when reached yesterday
    at his real estate office in Lexington, Ky.  I've wound up all my
    business activities.
    	Minnifield, who siad he's in the best shape of my life after
    working out three times a day, can't join drills unless he is signed.
     He realizes that.
    	It might be a last minute thing. but I think it can be done,"
    he said of the possible signing.  "I'm optimistic. It would be best
    for everybody."
    	Vice President Ernie Accorsi, who negotiates contracts but doesn't
    like to comment on them would say only that he is "hopeful" that
    all the unsigned veterans would be in camp before the 6 pm deadline
    Sunday.  There are 13 of them, including Minnifield.
    	"I haven't heard from all of them," said Accorsi, "but they
    all have our offer."
    	Stan White, former Baltimore Colts linebacker who is handling
    negotiations for Minnifield, could not be reached for comment.
    
    
    	WOOF!
    

       What's his name again? Bimbette! Funny name for a guy.
                                          Denny

    
    answer.. dont just sit there.. do it..
    
    
    question..  babette trying to get bernie to throw the bomb ..
    
    
    wildman
    

    denny,
    
    i think my salad went  everywhere.. iam  rolling..
    

       Sorry 'bout that Dinz, it had to be said!!
                                      Denny

    >>	Bernie married Babette Ferre in Boca Raton Fla., she was
    >>a collage sweetheart.
        ^^^^^^^
    
    Does this mean she's as wide as a barn and has pictures painted all
    over her?????
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    re: .553
    
    Babette looks like a bowling pin... she's from Pittsburgh!

>><<< Note 35.546 by ROULET::WHITEHAIR "Don't just sit there.......Do it now!" >>>
>>                               -< This is true! >-

    
>>    	Bernie married Babette Ferre in Boca Raton Fla., she was
>>    a collage sweetheart.
    
    
>>    	Woof!
    
    
    is that what the minister said when he seen her?  

>>>    	Woof!
    
    
>>    is that what the minister said when he seen her?  
    
    
    Maybe she skipped electrolosis that week...

      So was Bernie the one wearing the Wedding dress?

    	For years Browns fans have figured Sam Wyche is all wet, and
    now they've proven it.
    	Wyche sat in a dunking booth for two hours in downtown Cleveland
    yesterday while men, women and children paid $5.oo each for two
    throws, footballs or dog bones, tosser's choice, to send the eccentric
    Cincinnati Bengals coach into a watery pit.  First to throw was
    Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar.
    	"No big deal," Wyche said with a shrug ment to inspire the ball
    and bone throwers. "This is Cleveland."
    	"I've been waiting for this chance!" shouted a jubilant Mary
    Ezzo of Cleveland, who dunked Wyche with a tight spiral. "Wait untill
    I tell my husband!"
    	Wyche congratulated the woman and offered her a kiss as she
    walked toward the speaker's stand to collect a Browns T-shirt, a
    prize for dipping Wyche.
    	"Save it for Boomer!" she shot back, referring to Bengals
    quarterback Boomer Esiason.
    
    	Bones were supplied by "Meaty Bone".  
    
    	Yep...I've got a bone for ole Wyche too....HeHeHe
    
    	WOOF!
    		WOOF!
    			WOOF!
    

Actually, I think that's kind of neat.  It replaces what could
have been a messy rivalry with a light-hearted atmosphere.

I hope the money went to a good charity.

I think Wyche and Cleveland are to be commended for defusing the
situation like this...

'Saw

>    First to throw was
>    Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar.
    
    Note there was no report of whether Kosar dunked him.  My bet is he
    missed. 
    
>    	Yep...I've got a bone for ole Wyche too....HeHeHe
    
    I'm sure Kosar did also.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    	RE:-1
    
    	Bernie did dunk him...but...it wasn't on his first throw...
    
    Wyche ended up making comments like...2nd and 10...all the way
    to 4th and 10...Bernie did it in 7 throws.
    
    	WOOF!
    

    >>Wyche ended up making comments like...2nd and 10...all the way
    >>to 4th and 10...Bernie did it in 7 throws.
    
    
    1-7 just like in real life. Actually I heard that Bernie was
    intercepted on three of the throws.
    

    I wish ole Sammie would come down to Houston .....
    
    we'd fill that dunking pool with sulfuric acid ....

>>    <<< Note 35.562 by CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ "JJ,Tracy,B1,B52,Stealth,&Flip" >>>

>>    >>Wyche ended up making comments like...2nd and 10...all the way
>>    >>to 4th and 10...Bernie did it in 7 throws.
    
    
>>    1-7 just like in real life. Actually I heard that Bernie was
>>    intercepted on three of the throws.
  
    
    It was reported that Bernie blamed the innaccuracy of his throws on
    tight bra straps!!!
    
    
    Couldn't resist!!!!
    
    JaKe
    

    
    For the first time in 12 years the Browns will not play the Buffalo
    Bills in a controlled scrimmage at Edinboro (PA) University.
    
    	Marv scratched me, Carson quipped, referring to Buffalo coach
    Marv Levy.  I should have kept my mouth shut last year.
    
    	Last year, Carson complained about Levy's extensive use of a
    motion and formation shifting on offense and also was miffed about
    Levy's refusal to llow veterans to play.
    
    	I'd rather spend our time alone as long as we're playing five
    exhibition games, carson said.
    
    	FIRST GAME OF THE YEAR...AUG 4TH...
    
    		HALL OF FAME GAME.....
    
    			BROWNS
    		
    			  -vs-
    
    			   BEARS
    
    
    	WOOF!
    

    
    	New is.....Reisen retires...for the 2nd time....he is gone.
    		He said that he only plays for the money and he doesn't
    	want to do that.....he wants to play because he enjoys it. 
    	He said the other players on the team are more hyped...
    
    		Also, Babb is signed by the Browns.....He's back!
    
    	WOOF!
    

    welcome back stephen, is now a kindler and gentler conferance, sure
    
    you will enjoy :))
    dinz
    

    
    	SICK'EM BONES!!!
    
    
    
    
    				GRRRRRRRR!
    
    
    	WOOF!

    
    The Bears will go DOWN
    			DOWN
    			  DOWN
    			       this Saturday and the Dawgs will
    			
    
    			PREVAIL!!!
    
    
    	SICK'EM BONES!
    
    		WOOF
    			WOOF
    				WOOF!
    
    
    
    
    			:-)  YEA!
    

    
    Those doggie things you pick off the lawn aren't 'shrooms.
    

>    The Bears will go DOWN
>    			DOWN
>    			  DOWN
>    			       this Saturday and the Dawgs will
>    			
>    
>    			PREVAIL!!!
    
    Um, Hal, you're being awfully quiet today.
    

    What do you expect from a Cleveland fan.. home of the LOSERS!!!
    I keep reading about all the great Cleveland teams... when was the last
    time any of them won a Championship?
    
    REK
    
    Thats what they get for building a stadium next to the ocean!!

REK, 

I think they're all out holding a memorial service and are in 
mourning....

'Saw

    Will after getting shut out there is not much you can say.  Pagel
    looked really bad or the recievers were not in sync with him.  It
    looked like the Brown offense took the day off.  
    
    Right now the thing that concerns me is they have 4 defensive starters
    last year holding out.  All 3 starting linebackers (Mathews, Johnson
    and Grayson) last year are holding out, and Minnifield is still
    a hold out.
    
    I just saw a report indicating that they may trade Minnifield to 
    Altanta for a offensive lineman.  This may help them since Paul
    Farren one of only two returning offensive linemen is also hold
    out.  
    
    So right now I would say the Brown's problem is to get all their
    veteran players in camp.  I will be more concerned about winning games
    when the games count to making the play offs.
                                     

    The Browns traded a conditional draft choice (year unknown) to the
    Philadelphia Eagles for OL Ken Reeves. Reeves always played weel when
    he was healthy. He'll be missed in Philadelphia.
    
    Dennis
    

    
    re: .576
    
    What do you expect from the offense.. they've been working together
    for what, two weeks?
    
    The Browns better trade Minnifield for an OL... they should have
    drafted on instead of Hoard!

    
    
    Is there any word on the DB signing situation yet?  Also, have
    there been any additions to the OL?
    
    
    Jim

    I have not seen anything on signing Flex Wright or Minnifiled.
    
    On the OL the only then I've seen is that they just lost the guy
    they got from the Eagles with a pulled muscle.  The Browns OL
    is not looking to go at the moment.
    

    
    No OL improvement and the Browns could be in big trouble this year.
    

    re .581
    
    You almost had it right :
    
    Regardless of the OL improvement, the Browns ARE in big trouble this
    year.
    
    No, don't thank me ... it was a pleasure.
    
    Doc

    
    Re .580:    They need Wright, but I'm not so sure about Minnifield.  Was
                Gash on the 'yet to sign' list as well?
    
    		Art needs to shell out cash for the OL; they've been the
    		week spot for years.

    I believe Gash is in camp.  
    
    The last I saw is all the trades talks for Minnifield are NOT 
    going very well.  I heard none of the teams will pay him a $1 
    million a year, which is what he is demanding.  So I don't
    know if there will be any offensive line help from that area.  
    
    

    
    	Ahemmm, The Browns really arn't that bad off!  Clayborn has
    taken his spot with Grayson signing last week.  Bolden is in for
    the offence and Farren will be signed soon.  Just this week, the
    browns are starting to go with a front line that will not be moved
    around again.  I guess I'll have to start relaying some of the 
    information I've been getting.
    	And, why hasn't anyone said anything about the game last
    Saturday???  The Browns took the Packers to the Van!  :-)  The
    game was great!  The big O took control of the ball on the ground
    and got over 160 yards rushing.  Hoard looked great.  I didn't
    catch the first half so I can't say much for the 1st string...
    	Bernie did however hurt his foot...sprained ancle.  Bar looks
    to be out for a while.  A roughing the kicker deal....broke his
    finger and some ribs.  Terible thing to do in a preseason game.
    	Dilifonte looked great on D.  
    	Word is that Manoa will be out on his butt this year.  Olofant
    (sp) looked like crap running back punts and kickoffs.  But, they
    say that Metcalf will do the job once the season starts off full
    swing.  
    	Oh yea, hey Jake, you got tickets to the season opener???  The
    game is allready sold out...75,000 tickets gone!  Thats even before
    the ticket sales open at the window!  Look for another blowout!
    	Lets see, wasn't it something like 51 to ZIP???  Yep, I think
    so!   
    
    	WOOF!
    

    Dream on, Hal,  Dream on!!!!!!!!
    
    JaKe
    

    Well, the Clowns looked pretty ragged again in the pre-season. EVen
    with an extra game, it seems pretty clear to me and the rets of the
    Western world that the Clowns are looking at the basement o fthe AFC
    Central - aw gee Wally, that's a shame isn't it ?
    
    HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA !!!!!!!!
    
    The Doc

    
    Trivia:  Name the only team that currently resides in the AFC
    Central that has not won an AFC Central Division title.

    Trivia #2
    Name the only team that has won the AFC Central division title but has
    never played in a Super Bowl!!!!!!!
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Name the only city where many of the inhabitants look like bowling
    pins...

    1. Houston
    
    2. Cleveland
    
    3. Cleveland
    
    
    
    
    Did I win???
    
    
    Nelly

      Steven,  Thats to easy....These guys have to have soemthing to rag on
    each other about..;^
    
    		Tim

Well, in keeping with Doug Ross' austerity policy [many, many 8^)]
and in line with saving our sanity, perhaps we could do it like 
the old Prison Jokes joke.

Remember, that's the one where every joke got a number, and then
they'd just call out the number?

So, #19 could be "Has Cleveland ever been to the Super Bowl?"
#7 could be "Have the Donks ever won a Super Bowl"
#1 could be "Has Houston ever won the division"

Yap Yap Yap could be shortend to YYY etc....

HTH,
'Saw

    Steven, go back to the Donks note. This is what football is all about!
    
    Now ....
    
1.    Has Cleveland ever won a playoff game against Houston ?
    
2.    Since 1960, who has won more league titles ?
    
3.   Name the AFC Central Team that has the most championship game
     blowout choke jobs  (Examples 38-0, 55-14, 34-0, 27-7, 27-17, 23-20,
    38-31, 38-20, 59-14 ....)
    
    A prize for the winner ....

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>    Silly me.  And I thought that football was all about teamwork and 
>    sportsmanship.
    
    Teamwork maybe.  Sportsmanship?  In the AFC central?  You crazy?  I
    don't think there's another division in football that each city has as
    absolute a disdain for each other as the AFC central.  Everyone hates
    everyone. And now that Glanville is gone, Noll will have to go back to 
    Wyche as primo target #1.
    
    	--dan'l