Conference 7.286::sports_90

    
    The Cavs are 3-0 since Nance returned to the line-up.  I expect
    this trend to continue when Daugherty returns.  Having played
    without Daugherty and Nance and several reserves hasn't really
    hurt the team.  Last I looked, the Cavs were only 4.5 games out
    of first place in the rugged Central division.
    

    It's very promsing that the Cavs are only 5 out.  Nance had 31 points
    the other night.  Glad to see the injury didn't bother Nance's
    performance.  When Daugherty returns, the CAVS will once again be on
    the path to an Eastern Conference Championship, and NOONE will stop
    them this year.
    
    jab

       Have the Cadavs ever won a conference title, let alone a
    champeenship? 
                                        Denny

    
    The Cavs are strting to roll...  They are now 16-18 having won their
    last 5 games.  Currently, they are in 9th place in the Eastern
    Conference... only the top 8 teams make the playoffs, but I have no
    doubts the Cavs will make it (regardless of whether Daugherty returns
    this year).
    
    The injuries have actually helped the Cavaliers as far as building 
    depth goes.  If Chuckie Brown or Winston Bennett could ever get 
    consistent, the Cavs would be all set for now at small forward.  
    One of these guys goes out and has a great game and then disappears
    for 4-5 games...
    
    
    GO CAVS!

    
    I agree on the injuries helping, Paul.  Dudley has turned into a
    rebounding force, he should be a consistent backup to Daugherty, once
    he returns.  
    
    Speaking of which, has anyone heard anything about Daugherty's
    condition?  Last I heard he should have started practicing with the
    team by now.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    Jeff, did you know that the Cavs have a better record than DrM's 
    might Houston Rockets?  The Cavs play the mighty rockets tonight.
    

    Here we go again.  Different sport this time
    
    Mike

       Mike, I'm sure they'll be in here any minute now telling us how
    the awesome Cavs did against the mighty Rickets last night. Won't
    ya boys?
                                      Denny

    
    Don't know Denny, we don't get alot of CAVS coverage up here.  All I 
    know is they wen't down by about 10 points.  
    
    /Jeff
    
    p.s. I'll leave the Midnight abusing to Paul, as usual.  

    
    	I watched the game on the "OHIO Sports Channel" last night...
    
    	what a mistake!  They looked good in the first quarter with
    price hitting and nance slamming the ball in, but, after that...
    it was all down hill.  I couldn't bear anymore after the end of
    the 3rd quarder, with the CAVS down by 15.  The last few games I've
    watched, they have had lots of trouble hitting their free throws.
    Houston looks like a good team with a lot of no names on it.
    
    	The CAVS have not beaten the Rockets yet this year...the first
    game, the cavs only scored 75 points...their lowest.
    
    	I heard last night that Harper.......ripped apart his knee!
    He will not play for the rest of the year......
    
    	Now, is this good news or bad news???
    
    	What about this guy the cavs are to get from the Europeon league???
    I heard that he does not plan on going to the cavs next year and
    that he will live out his contract...I think he just wants more
    money.
    
    GO CAVS
    
    HAL
    

    
    
    Hal,
    
    Based on the boxscores I've seen of the last few weeks, they are
    definetly having problems with foul shots.  50% in the previous game
    and 14/24 last night.  Seems more like the Cavs of '87.  
    
    Danny Ferry is the guy they got for Harper (+ picks).  I think he'll 
    come play with the Cavs next year, however, he is being vague, and 
    refusing to talk to the Cavs till after he completes this season in 
    Italy.  There season ends in April, so we should know more by this 
    summer.  
    
    I didn't realize you could pull down non-local Sports Channels on a dish.  
    What kind of a setup do you have and how much did it set you back, if 
    I may ask?  
    
    /Jeff

    
    I get them all...
    
    set me back...plenty...but its worth it.  The Ohio Sports Channel
    is not a scrambled channel and comes in on G1 channel 23 only for
    the games.  Houston has a good transmitter and it is clear.  Some
    teams send up really bad signals, like DENVER.  I swear, I think
    they even transmit the smell.  HeHeHe.
         o
    Go CAVS
    
    Hal
    

    
    re: .7, .8
    
    You guys spew as much garbage as anyone... thanks for getting me 
    psyched up to run wild in SPORTS again....
    

    
    GO CAVS, what a team.
    

       Have the Cadavs ever won more than a division Champeenship?
                                             Denny

    
    Not as many as the team(S!) you root for... jumping bandwagons left
    and right...
    
    Do you have a urine fixation... maybe you suffer from urolagnia?
    Why do I ask, maybe its just poor spelling... Cham"pee"nship.
    

       Which teams am I jumping to?  
    Have the Cavs ever won anything but a Division championship?
                                               Denny

    
    From the Clippers to the Lakers to the Hornets to the Jazz ...
    

       Gimme a break, show me proof? Bet ya caint. I might have said
    something good about them,(you wouldn't know about that) but I was
    NOT on the bandwagon of ANY of them. I'll make it even easier, just
    show me where I became a fan of the !@#%@^ Lakers. 
                                    Denny

    
    See, now you claim you don't even like those teams... that's because
    you're off their bandwagon.
    

       Caint do it, eh Groaner? Didn't think so!
    Have the Cavs ever won anything but a div. championship?
                                        Denny

    shhh! quiet Hawk. If you look real close, you'll see me sittin'
    right behind McEnroe.
                                   Denny

    
    Cavs have never won aything more than a divisonal championship...
    neither have you... bandwagon jumper!
    
    Now get a life Jenny and pee and moan in some other note...

    re: Now get a life... 
     Another guy who can dish out the: Have the ... won ..., but can't
    take it! 
       Still can't find it huh?
    
                                      Denny

    You musta struck a nerve there, Denny, cuz the guy ain't entered a note
    anywhere since you axed 'im........  Oh weeell!
    
    Hawk

    Re: Denny & McEnroe
    
    I hear Mac has a bigger racquet :-)

    
    Find what, you brain... hey, i don't have a microscope over here
    readily available...  :-)
    
    dJenny, the bandwagon jumper...

    
    
    	Have the Cavs ever won a sy Young?
    
    
    			RIF
    

    Hey  GROANowski, I see you're still asking the moronic question
    about the Donks and and NFL championship.  Sure Clevescum won some NFL
    championships but going to the fact that Clevescum has won
    championships and Denver hasn't is like asking if a Christian ever beat
    the lions.  Nobody cares, nobody remembers and we all don't give 2 good
    sh!ts.  Give it a rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    but Jake, have the Steelers ever won an NFL championssssshiii...
    
    
    Oh well... stupid question.  
    
    

       This quote was from Guido Bagaatta (PR guy for Il Messaggero)
    on Danny Ferry:
       "Danny was very surprised to be traded to Cleveland. I don't
    think he was all that excited about playing there. The Cavs are
    a lot better than the Clippers, but the city is not New York or
    Boston. Playing in Rome, then going to Cleveland is like jumping
    from a Ferrari to a Chevy."
                                       Denny

    
    Hmmm, I don't like Ferrari's anyway!  But, you have to remember......
    
    			CLEVELAND IS THE 
    
    				ROCK 
    				 AND
    				  ROLL
    				   CAPITAL
    				    OF 
    				     THE
    				      WHOLE
    				       USA!
    

    
    Wow... Ferry's agent speaks for him.  I'm impressed.
    
    Kind of like Brian Shaw saying, I've played in Boston, see ya!
    

    re .37
    
    Yeah, where is it, and how come the induction ceremonies are in NY
    and not there?

    
    The inductions were in NY because of the record companies and the minor
    detail that the hall isn't built yet.

    true, but if Cleveland was so great, couldn't they have it somewhere
    there?  People would flock to go there I would think.  You don't
    have the baseball inductions in LA... (I know the hall is in
    Cooperstown, but that's the home of it, right?)

    
    SF already built there R&R HoF, and they had a later start.  You'd
    think with all the famous rockers from Cleveland they'd all be able
    to pitch in and help. ~/~

    
    	The Cavs are playing better ball lately and are now only 1.5
    games out of the playoffs...and moving up.  
    
    	Lost on Saturday to Detroit by 5 points....not bad considering
    Daughtery has only been back for 2 games.
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    	The Cavs lost, another one, last night...to Detroit.  They didn't
    look too good.  It was a game untill the end of the 1st quarter.
    Daughtery looked pretty good but his shooting percentage is very
    low, something like 32% from the field.  He just needs time, they
    say.  Without Dudly in the line-up the teams foul shooting has been
    lots better.  Price hit 3 consecutive 3 pointers in the game.  I
    couldn't watch the whole game.....too depressing.
    
    	I see that the Atlanta Hawks lost another game...that makes
    6 in a row...and are only 1.5 games infront of Cleveland.  Millwauke
    won last night and are, I think 2.5 or 3.5 games ahead of Cleveland.
    
    	With any luck at all, the Cavs will make it into the playoffs....
    Daughtery is a big asset on rebounds, but, after watching the game
    last night...I think another asset is his ability to toss the long
    pass down court for the big play.  He did this several times last
    night.  
    
    	Detroit got the win by their defense though...they were tough.
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    I missed the first quarter but caught the rest of the game.. 
    
    I liked the commentators... they made some good points, especially
    about the poor (rookie-like) passing of all the Cleveland guards 
    (except Price).  Sure seemed like Detriot(tm) was getting away with 
    a lot of fouls.. the analysis agreed with my sentiment.  Something to
    the effect of "It's pretty easy to look good on defense, when the refs
    let you get away with pushing the other team around"  
    
    Have to admire the way the subs made a game of it in the fourth
    quarter.  
    
    Detroit looks very beatable.  Bet Philly would give them a good 
    run right now!  
    
    /Jeff

    
    re: .45
    
    	Sence you watched the rest of the game....what was the final
    score???
    
    	You are right...there were alot of pushing going on and no
    fouls called...what about the running with the ball deal?  I
    saw this happen twice durring the 2nd quarter.  Then Elo gets
    hit in the mouth...and no foul.  I've seen acouple of games
    now where the Cavs got pushed around and no fouls were called.
    The other game.......San Antonio.  
    
    	Elo is a guy I just can't get any confidence in....everytime
    I see him play, he is passing to the other team and taking shots
    that never go in.  Then another guy is Kerr, he is very irratic
    too.  But, I guess the reason they are playing is because of their
    3 point hits.  I saw Elo make several defensive errors too.
    Hot Rod look good as did Nance.  I think Price can play alot better
    than I've seen him play lately too.  I know he was the one making
    the big beef a week ago about no one else on the team carring if
    they won or not but, if I was him...I would put up first.
         o
    Go CAVS!

    
    Hal,
    
    The final score was 105-96.  Ehlo has had problems hitting the 3
    pointer, but other than that, he's been fairly consistent.  He is 
    playing because they traded Harper.  They really don't have any other
    experienced guards (other than Price).  I haven't been too impressed 
    with Kerr.. he really has a strange shooting style, and everytime I've
    seen him he's been a brick-layer.  
    
    They need to get the inside game tuned up, then they should be fine.  
    When Daugherty was out they relied to much on the outside shooting and 
    Price.  Without seeing the final score, you could tell if they had won
    based solely on the shooting percentage of the guards.  
    
    We'll see what happens in the 2nd half.  They need to move past a few 
    teams to get into half-decent shape for the playoffs.  
    
    /Jeff 

    
    Well, the Cavs did it....another win!  I don't know what Atlanta
    did yesterday so.....the Cavs could have moved up a notch and taken
    the 8th spot in the playoff picture.  
         o
    Go CAVS!

    
    The Cavs lost last night.....a good game though....OT.
    
    	133 to 131
    
    	At the beginning of the 4th quarter the Cavs made 5 of 5 three
    	pointers to tie the game...they were down by 12 before the big
    	run.  
    
    	Mark Price had a carrier day with 37 points, tieing his carrier
    	high.
    
    	Mark hit a big three pointer at the end of regulation to tie
    	the score and send it into overtime.
    
    	Once again...Ehlo screwed up in OT.  missing a big two pointer
    	to put the game away...then on defense, he fouls a guy and they
    	win the game..........oh well.
    
    	I still feel they should let Ehlo go.  Sure he hits the 3 pointer
    	every once in a while but.....when the pressure is on...forget
    	it!
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    Cavs beat Hawks...  1/2 game out of the last playoff spot.  They'll
    be there, the question is, will they be ready and playing as a team.
    Daugherty still needs time.  It should would be nice to get Ferry
    just so he can get used to the system this year.

    
    	Hey Ice,
    
    		Yea, it was an exceiting game last night.  Brad had
    a great game...his passes are what really helps.  Nance was also
    outstanding last night.  It was a close game right up to the last
    3 minutes.  The Cavs really turned it on in the end, fighting for
    the rebounds and husstling down for the basket.  Kerr looked great.
    Ehlo-they didn't rely on him, thank goodness.  Brown was terrible.
    
    		They (ohio sports channel) had an interview with some
    of the Cavs wifes.....Mark Price's wife...what a doll!  What a peach!
    I was very surprised to see who Nance was married to.........salt.
    
    		Later,
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    The Cavs loose another game.....
    
    	That make them 1 - 3 sence the break.....
    
    		Boy do they look good!
    	The only team they beat is Atlanta and they are still 1 game
    ahead of us.....
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    
    The Cavs win a BIG one.........beating Portland, in Cleveland, 121-109.
    	This combined with the Atlanta loss, puts Cleveland into the
    6th playoff spot!  No where to go but up.....Orlando tomorrow.....
    
    	The Cavs traded Dudley yesterday....YEA!  to the nets.   Teach
    the guy how to free throw and he might be a decent guy.....the trade
    is for 2 second round draft picks next year.
             o
    	Go CAVS!

	Also Derrick Chievous from HOU to CLE

	Joe Barry Carroll from NJN to DEN for Michael Cutright and/or
	"future considerations"

Jim M

    
    	Soooo, who is this Derrick Chievous???
    
    		Whats the stats...
             o
    	Go CAVS!
    

    He is a big-mouthed hotdog who used to play for the University of
    Missouri and one of his trademarks was wearing a bandaid for no
    good reason.  He's essentially been a bust with the Rockets.
    
    John

    
    Wilkens is probably trying to get as many candidates for the shooting
    guard position for the 1990-91 season.
    
    Reggie Williams - Wilkens says the guy has no clue on offense or
    defense.  He was poorly coached by the Clippers and he needs a
    full training camp, plus part of the summer to evaluate his
    ability.
    
    Derrick Chevious - a bust for Houston... may be helped by playing
    with three all-stars (nance, daugherty and price)
    
    Randolph Keys - small forward, may get moved to shooting guard.
    
    Chuckie Brown is starting to look good at small forward and the
    team seems to be playing together now, as a team.  Looks like
    they are ready to make a move in the division.
    

    
    The Cavs traded Keys last night for a 2nd round draft pick and
    activated Winston Bennett.
    
    Current Roster:
    
    C - Daugherty
        Mokeski
        Rollins
    F - Williams
        Nance
        Brown
        Bennett
        (Ferry)
    G - Chevious      
        Ehlo         
        Price         
        Williams     
        Kerr         

    
    The Cleveland Cavs win BIG last night in Cleveland....
    	They blow out the Orlando Magic by a score of 121 - 96.
    At one point in the game the Cavs had a lead of over 40 points.
    Is this Orlando team really "PRO"?  I really question this.
    This new guy from Houston, played some last night and didn't
    look too bad at all.  The Cavs looked very good last night 
    getting all the rebounds, fast breaks and playing a good phyiscal
    game!
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    Keys had a good game last night for Charlotte.  16 points, 8 
    rebounds, 2 assists.  He should fit in well and get good playing
    time.
    
    DrM, when the Rockets improve you can dump on the Cavs.
    
    BTW, DrM v.s. iceMAN in a one-on-one the day of the DEC 3-pt
    shootout... what do you think Doc?  We can probably even get
    a ref for it.... well...  don't back out now...

    We'll see, h2oBOY .... not only am I supposed to be competeing,
    but I will probably be one of the game refs in the All-Star game,
    so if my legs haven't gone, I'll school you on request ....
    
    DrM

    
    The one-on-one is before the game... still making excuses huh?
    This is your big chance...!
    
    Cavs waived Weggie Williams... he'll probably latch on with the
    Celts and start along-side Weggie Wewis.

    
    re: Williams..
    
    So the Harper trade boils down to Harper + draft picks for (possibly) 
    Ferry.  Doesn't look too good right now.  
    
    Now that Danny's pal Brian Shaw is coming back to the states, can Danny
    be far behind?  I sure hope not!  
    
    The Cavs are gonna have to draft some speed this year.. with the loss
    of Harper, they just don't handle the fast breaks too well anymore. 
    
    /Jeff

    
    The Cavs lost last night....Booooooooooo.
    
    	They were taken out of the game early.....Nance and Hot Rod
    got two fouls each in the first 5 minutes of the game.....
    
    	It was a good game, with the Cavs going ahead in the 3rd and
    4th quarters for brief times.....Denver picked up several lucky
    calls by the officials...looks like the football season carried
    over....In the wanning minutes of the game...Denver had only 2
    sec to make the shot, Cleveland was only down by 3...time left..
    1 min...The officals call an illegal D....What???!!!  I never saw
    such a thing...what a rip off!  The comintators said that they
    couldn't beleive it either.  
    
    	The Cleveland Defense looked good at times but, they just
    couldn't keep it up.  Denver made some good hook shots that I just
    couldn't beleive...thats what won the game....along with paying
    off the officials!
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    	The Cavs loose another one.....boy do they look sick!
    
    		From what I saw last night, they need to play with
    	each other more.  No one knows what the other one is going 
    	to do.  They also stink on the fast break!
                     o
    		Go CAVS!

    
    re: -1
    
    Maybe they're playing with each other too much.
    

    
    	Cavs win another one!  Thats 5 in a row....  Boston on Wed.
    
    	The last few games I've watched, the team looks great!
    	Hot Rod has really done the job!.....MVP year!
    	Brad Daughtery is back to his top form...like late last year.
    	He was driving hard and making big plays.
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    Hey Hal,
    
    I haven't had the opportunity to catch them in quite a few weeks,
    what's the big difference between the way they played on the west 
    coast and the way they're playing now?  Sure was a big turn-around,
    out there they were getting blown out!  Now they're wining by 20!  
    
    
    /Jeff

    
    Jeff,
    
    	The biggest thing is the big D!  Defense has been the big thing.
    Nance and Daughtery, not to mention Bennett, have all been hitting
    the boards...something you didn't see before.  Then, Hot Rod has
    raised his game a few notches too.  It seams like everything falls
    into the basket!  It wasn't like that acouple of weeks ago.  Daughtery
    has taken comand inside too.  They give him the ball....one time
    he will drive toward the basket...you didn't see that too much
    before...the next time he give it the hook shop...and its falling
    in....it didn't do that before either.  I think he has been setting
    him self up for either shot now.  The way he has been driving, opens
    up his hook and his fall away jumper.  Hot Rot has been hitting
    the 15 footer with ease lately too.  The team has been setting picks
    that leave him open....I mean really open!  Then, not to mention
    the big 3 pointers.....they have been draining the other team with
    those!
    
    	The last 3 games I just couldn't stay in my seat.  They have
    looked awsome!  I'm hopping to pick up tickets to the game here
    on Wednesday.  they will win on Wednesday....no doubt about it.
    The Cavs really will outclass the Celtics....home or away!  
         o
    Go CAVS!

    If the cavs make the playoffs, please don't be the 8th seed...
    
    -Walt (Piston fan)

    
    Thanks for the info, Hal.  Sounds like Nance and Daugherty are both
    back to nearly 100%..  They said it would take at least a month after 
    they got back to be "totally back in shape".  
    
    As far as the playoffs go, the Cavs are 1 game behind Atlanta for the 
    7th spot, and 1/2 game behind Indy for the 8th spot.  Given their
    recent inspired play they should be capable of getting the 7th slot.  
    I'd rather not see them pass up Milwaukee (only possible if they REALLY
    get hot), since this would mean another first round match-up with 
    Michael and his buddies (deja-vou all over again).
    
    /Jeff

    Agreed Jeff,
    	Lets not play the Jordan special first.....The way the CAVS
    are playing though....I'd bet they would take him out of the game.
    I see he is a hurting unit right now anyway.  I really don't think
    there are too many teams out there right now that come close to
    Cleveland....if they play the way they have lately...
         o
    Go CAVS!

    	re: .77
    
    	Do you mean in the eastern conference or overall?  I definitely
    agree that the Cavs (or anyone else for that matter down there)
    is going to want the #7 spot.  #8 is an instant sweep, #6 could
    be too.
    
    sean  

                                                    
    Detroit   #1  over  Atlanta #8
    Philadelphia #2 loses to Cleveland #7
    Chicago   #3  over  Milwaukee #6
    New York  #4  over  Boston    #5
    
    Round 2:
    Detroit over New York
    Cleveland over chicago
    
    Eastern Finals:
    Pistons trounce Cavs (no speed in the backcourt)
    

	That's real funny!  When did you dream that up?
    
    sean

Once upon a midnight dreary (?)

    Are they in the top 8 yet?

    Hell no Walt !
    
    Cavs beating Philly ?
    
    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA !
    
    And Paul, do tell how the Cads are going to muster what it takes
    to beat a *balanced* Chicago team, when they couldn't handle a one-man
    team (Jordan) in the last two years - *and with a home-court advantage*
    ????
    
    Too funny ....

    The Cavs have to really put in some good hoop to hope to do good
    in the playoffs.  I like a lot of the players on the team, but so
    far, in person, the only teams that looked worser than the Cavs
    were the Magic and the Heat.  
    
    They are a dangerous team, with 5 good, quality ball players.  They
    are the team, when playing as a cohesive unit, that can give teams
    fits in a short series.
    
    JD

    
    The Cavs are currently on a five game tear, against some good
    competition at home and on the road.  The tester will be tomorrow 
    night.  Time for a reality check!  
    
    1/2 game behind Atlanta and Indiana for the 7th/8th playoff spot.  
    ~20 games to go.
    
    /Jeff
    

    
    Cavs smoked the Fakers... that's all I know.  Cleveland always
    give Philadelphia a tough game...  as for Chicago, they'll get
    dumped again as usual.
    
    I'd be curious to find out what Cleveland's record has been
    with Price, Daugherty and Nance all in the line-up...

Yeah, the Cavs are playing better now that they're healthy, but the bottom
line on this team is that management choked big time on giving away Harper
without getting anything in return for this season.  No matter how well they
play from here on in, the absence of speed in the backcourt will kill them
in the playoffs.

Laker_Ken

    
    Management might have choked - your opinion.  It remains to be seen.
    
    The fact is, without backcourt speed, they trounced the hapless Fakers.
    

    
    	Wow, Cleveland beats 2 playoff contention teams at home and
    all of a sudden they're going to the finals against Detroit...
    Why does this makes sense?
    
    sean

    Da fack is Paul, is that your Caverlettes are going to get mashed
    in the playoffs - if they make the playoffs.
    
    And as for management - they choked, plain and simple.   
    
    Just like the Browns, Indians, ect ....

    Danny The Fairy for Harper - HAHAHAHHAHAHA !
    
    Keep on dreamin' .....

    Doc, I heard Paul's Dad is bigger than your Dad.

    
    Fact one... nothing is fact until is happens DrZero.
    
    Fact two... management choking is your opinion.  I'm sure part of
    what Embry thought he was getting was a solid guard who was drafted
    3rd in the NBA draft a couple of years.  He came to find out that
    Georgetown has only had one player make the NBA that ever amounted
    to anything and that the others are stiffs.
    
    Fact three...  The Rockets have a worse record than the Cavs.
    
    Fact four....  If Rocket management doesn't smarten up, they
    won't have to choke... Akeem will leave.  
    
    Fact five....  The HOUSTON OILERS/ROCKETS/ASTROS have never won
    and AFC Central title... let alone a league title.  EVER!
    
    Fact six...    DEC 3pt shootout...  The raising of the 2nd
    DrM's buck will occur the following day.
    
    Fact seven...  DrM will come up with some colorful excuse about
    not playing the iceMAN in a one-on-one hoop game the day of
    the 3 pt tourney.
    
    Fact eight...  Georgetown gets pummelled in the NCAA tourney
    by a team from OHIO.
    
    Fact nine...   Georgetown would have choked anyways, just like
    they have done in the past.
    
    Fact ten...    Why am I wasting my time... DrM, with your limited
    sports knowledge, you probably don't even understand a word
    I'm saying.

    
    re: .93
    
    
    Looks like Doc takes after his dad... beating two guys at once,
    while they sleep... I think that's what he said...  his words,
    not mine.

    
    Doc, what has Harper done for the Clippers this year?  Just curious.
    

       Have the Cadavs ever won ANYTHING?
                                      Denny

    Fact 1A : The Cads will be lucky to get the 8th seed.
    
    Fact 2A : Who has the better record ?
    
    CAds or the Lakers ?
    
    Sixers or Cadavers ?
    
    Fact 3A : Gronowski will shift the subject when Denny and I put
    the heat on him.
    
    Fact 4A : Ron Harper was playing excellent ball until he trashed
    his knee.
    
    Fact 5A : When is the last time any Ohio school won anything in
    basketball ?
    
    Fact 6A : When is the last time that a Ohio team done anything in
    football ?
    
    
    (Watch Paul scrape the bottom of the barrel on THIS one people!
    Cincy, Divsion 3  teams - he'll take anything ....)
    
    And lastly ...
    
    Apologies to Dan Akyroid :
    
    
    Fact 7A : Paul, you are an ignorant, FACKtual slut ....
    
    You'll use any FACK to keep your head above water .... 
    :_)
    
    Hope this helps,
    
    DrM

    
    	Looks like you won Doc...  sort of typifies the cadavers season,
    huh?  NO CONTEST! 8^)
    
    sean

    
    They looked pretty good last night, but had too many lapses on defense.  
    
    I don't know if it was because they were playing the Cavs, but the
    Celts sure looked good last night!  I believe there is one more
    Cavs/Celts game this season, in Cleveland.  
    
    Atlanta is really hurting, lost 5 out of last 6.  Plus they only have 5 
    more home games this year.  Can you say, lottery!  
    
    /Jeff

    
    	I never seen so much crap luck shooting in all my life.  The
    Celtics won't see another one of those days in a while!  The Cavs
    looked good and probibly would have won the game if it wasn't for
    all the crap luck shooting from that old man....who probably will
    have a heart attack....Mchale....what a baby!  Bird....thats what
    he looks like!  The old fart!
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    Whitehead,
    
    The Celts (specifically Bird) have been having 'those days' for the
    past couple weeks.  I'm amazed, if not amused, by your BS note (.102)
    after all the previous 'Cavs will smoke Celts' notes of yours!!  Just
    when you should be helping yourself to an ample helping of crow.....you
    respond with another nonsensical(tm) reply.
    
    Nelly
    
    * (tm) on nonsensical as I'm certain it can't be a real word!!

    
    I was at the game.  The Cavs didn't look good to me.  Wilkens left
    Bennett in too long at various points which left him to guard
    either McHale or Bird = mismatch.  Cleveland really needs Ferry next
    year (or late this year)...  This would allow them to have Daugherty,
    Williams, Nance and Ferry and key front-court players.
    
    Chevious and Brown logged DNPs last night.  Chevious probably hasn't
    learned the system yet.  Brown is inconsistent.
    
    Ehlo and Price both played extremely well, and Steve Kerr is beginning
    to turn into a solid players in the Mark Price mold.  
    
    I will say one thing, Tree Rollins looked good on offense.  If
    the guy had the scoring mentality, he could have cleaned up on
    the Chief...
    
    iceMAN
    
    ps  Nelly Olson (tm) go home, your mom's calling for you.

    I think they need Harper more than Ferry.  Something is wrong when
    Steve Kerr starts for you.
    
    How about Birdman!

    
    Mike, Kerr doesn't start... Ehlo and Price start.  Ehlo plays
    excellent defense, can score, rebound and play the point.  He
    is vastly improved (compared to when he was barely an NBA player).
    
    Kerr is subbing in as the third guard.  He has an excellent shooting
    range and is developing a style similar to Price.  I don't think
    he'll ever be that good, but he will be a solid backup point guard.

    Re: .104,
    
    Pain in the GROAN (tm),
    
    Explain the Nelly Olson (tm).......I don't understand.
    
    
    Nelly

    
    	I call them as I see them...!
    
    	Tonight the Cavs take on another good team....game time?????
    
    	Ice...Ehlo has improved quite abit sence the all star break.
    	Before then....I would have traded him away....I still think
    	the Cavs would have had several more wins if he hadn't of
    	played.  I just seen him make so many errors that I didn't
    	even like watching.  
             o
    
    
    	Go CAVS!

    
    	The Cavs loose to Jordan again...the one man team!  
    
    	Cavs should have won but with the bad officiating and all
    	the easy missed shots.....they lost.  They were tied up to
    	the 3rd quarter, then Jordan wouldn't let anyone else have 
    	the ball untill they built a 13 point lead.  When he went
    	out in the begining of the 4th quarter, Cleveland came back
    	to within 3, but, Jordan came back in and the officiating
    	started to go the bulls way...again.  They can beat eachother
    	up at the Cavs end of the court, but, when its at the bulls
    	end.....just touching the BALL gets a foul called.  It sour
    	mouthed it!
    
    	Anyway, Atlanta lost too...
    
    	To the Celtics....another poor officiating contest there.
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    	Shame on Jordan for not letting anyone else have the ball
    and single handedly wiping out the Cavs!!  Why didn't the officials 
    give him a technical????   Talk about poor officiating!
    
    sean

    
    Chicago has a solid team... too bad management gave up on the future
    by trading Oakley for Cartwright... this will go down in history
    as one of the worst trades ever...

	Oakley was LEAVING Chicago, no questions asked.  Management
    had it's hands tied.  Tell me, how could they have done better??
    Worst trade ever in history???  huh?
    
    sean

    Hey Paul, since you're the experts on worst trades ever, suppose
    you tell us about Danny (The Tooth) Fairy + whatshisname for 
    Ron Harper ? Reeeeel shrewd of the Cads eh ?
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA !!!!!!!!

    
    
    DrM... I must admit, your knowledge of sports is staggering.
    
    Oakley for Cartwright is a bad trade... why?  Cartwright is
    getting old, and is not exactly a great center.  In my opinion,
    this trade can be evaluated now.
    
    Harper for Ferry... Well, lets see... Harper is out for the season,
    and who knows if he'll ever play again.  If he does, will he still
    be as quick as he was?  His speed was his biggest asset.  Ferry
    is young and though not playing on the Cavs is still a question
    mark.  So basically, how do you evaluate this as being a bad trade
    Doc.
    
    BTW,  Browns 10 Oilers 2 since 1984!  Eat that loud mouth!

    If Harper wasn't traded, he'd still be playing.  Clippers are jinxed
    and will never amount to anything!

    
    	Groaner... listen, Oakley was LEAVING Chicago.  "Adios!  Chow!
    Ciao!  Later!".  Better * that *trade.
    
    sean

    
    What you're saying is Oakley didn't like Chicago and he wanted out -
    I can understand that.  There is no doubt in my mind that they could
    have traded him for more...
    
    Harper was a free agent at the end of this season and may
    have been leaving Cleveland anyways?  I know one of the concerns
    was what they'd have to pay to sign him... and then what they'd
    have to pay Price, Daugherty and Williams based on what he signed
    for.

    Send the Clippers back to Buffalo...

    
    Oh, what a game!  The Cavs down by 17, then come back with a last
    second 3 pointer to put the game in overtime.....That was all she
    wrote though.....the turnaround in OT......a bad call by the officials.
    Ehlo was driving to the basket and ran into Jordan (the one man
    team).  Foul...called on Ehlo.  Ehlo made the shot....dunk!  Thats
    pretty much how the whole game went, so, I really don't know why
    I was so surprised about the call.  
    
    Yep, Jordan, the one man team from Chicago....the officials protect
    the guy.  I still can't see this team go all the way though.  
    
    Daughtery was swarmed whenever he got the ball but, no fouls were
    called.  Price did whatever he wanted throughout the game.  Hot
    Rod was in great form...great on defence and also had the hot hand.
    Nance was beat up by cartright and didn't get the chance.  Kerr
    never got in the game.  
    
    It was a good game though, but Jordan will never get a ring!  He
    is really just a big ball hog!
         o
    Go CAVS!

>    It was a good game though, but Jordan will never get a ring!  He
>    is really just a big ball hog!
 
    	No matter how many times you say this I laugh because I think
    of what you'd be saying if he was playing for Cleveland and bringing
    home the ring!!! 8^)
    
    Remember, 1 Mon is not 2 BLAM!!!111111 (tm)    (is that how it goes?)
    
    sean

    re .119
    
    Boo hoo hoo,the refs protected Jordan and the Bulls won .... get
    real, please !

No kidding, if Jordan played in Cleveland, we'd be getting the 
equivalent to those pathetic "Joeeeeyyyyyy" notes we all next 
unseened past last summer.

daryll

    
    If Jordan played in Cleveland, he'd allready have a ring..  
    
    It would be amazing to see what he could do with a legitimate
    supporting cast.  Of couse, what would Cleveland have had to give up
    to get him?  Probably the whole supporting cast!  
    
    /Jeff

    	I know Doc, he sounds like you whining about the past Celtic's
    championships.
    
    				/Don

    Whitehead has an unorthadox (sp?) way of eating crow, doesn't he!!!
    
    
    Nelly

    
    "Hot Rod played great defence (sic)..."
    
    
    How could you tell? His man couldn't have had the ball much,
    considering Jordan had 69 points. They couldn't have played that great
    of defense if they let one player beat them. Great defense is also a
    team concept. I'm sure they figured out by halftime, at the latest,
    that they had one man to stop, shoot just slow down, and they would
    win. They couldn't do it.
    
                                                   HOOT
      

    >How could you tell? His man couldn't have had the ball much,
    >considering Jordan had 69 points.

	You got that right Hoot. I noticed that the Bulls only had 24 assists
as a team that night and Jordan had 6 of them!!!!! The rest of the Bulls were
smart enough to just stay out of Micheal's way!!!

JimH

    
    Big win for the CAVS yesterday.  122-91 over Indiana.  But they still
    can't seem to catch Atlanta, who survived their west coast swing by 
    winning 2 of 3.  
    
    Next big game Wedn. night in Cleveland against the Hawks.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    	The Cavs loose in New York.....
    
    	Another fiasco of a game.....!  The Cavs are definately the
    better team, but, conceded the game to the ..... none other than
    ... the officials!  Yes, another game lost because of poor 
    officiating.  I know some of you will get on here and say...here
    he goes again...blaming it on the officials.  Well, you are
    right!  The Cavs are not a "phisical" team and when playing
    against a team that holds, shoves, hits, pushes, reaches in, etc,
    etc...I think you get the picture...just cant match up.  The
    game was lost in the second quarter...not because of the officials
    though...full court pressure by New York caught the Cavs off guard
    and they turned the ball over toooooooo many times...bad passes
    mostly.  The thing about the game was...when the Cavs were on a
    string, then get fouled, not called, their momentum would be lost.
    That happened so many times that it was incredible.  
    	Daughtery and Ewig (whatever his name is) were at each other
    the hole night...all the official said was "now cut it out".  I
    heard him say it several times durring the game...but...no fouls
    were ever called.  
    	Anyway, Hot Rod and Nance played a great game.  Daughtery was
    taken out of the game because of physical game that was being played.
    Ehlo was really taken out of the game because of the same.  Price
    and Kerr both had a fair game.  Bennett (sp) looked like crap. 
    I kinda blame hime for the loss.  The Cavs came back to within 4
    in the third then Bennett hogged the ball a couple of time and 
    missed easy shots and then had to even foul at the other end of
    the court....blam....back up a 10 point lead again.  I just don't
    know about that guy.  The Cavs blocked several shots and dominated
    inside.  
    	The big game tonight in Cleveland...I can hear it now...
    
    
    			WE WILL,
    
    				WE WILL,
    
    
    
    			R O C K   Y O U ! ! !
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    Hey Whitehead:
    
    You keep complaining about the officials and somebody is gonna think
    you're from CLEMSON!!!!
    
    JaKe
    

    
    	Jake, you fake....
    
    	Why???  I complain about you and I'm not from that cess pool...
    
    				Piss-burg!
    
    	Your friend,
    		
    
    		by the way...It is the truth though...it wasn't New
    	York that stoped Clevelands runs....It was the officials!
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    Hal
    
    yeah, you're from the world's only inhabited raw sewage dump...
    
                C L E V E S C U M !!!!
    
    As fer the old p-name,  it's a generality though.  I happen to have
    found one of the few women in the world who don't fit that mold.
    I'm saying this in case my wife ever reads any of this fecal matter.
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    i hate cleveland
    
    have a nice day
    
    
    dinz
    

    Caso + The Raving One = LiteLocks (tm)

    	Houston vs. Cleveland?   Not another one of THOSE matchups!!
    8^)  Should be a great game.  It's going to be a good battle of
    the boards with Cleveland raining 3's and Houston working it into
    Olajuwon and Thorpe.
    
    sean

    
    	Does anyone know the Cavs remaining schedual???

    >	Daughtery and Ewig (whatever his name is) were at each other
    >the hole night...all the official said was "now cut it out".
    
    >Daughtery was taken out of the game because of physical game that 
    >was being played.
    
    >The Cavs ... and dominated inside.  

    When EWING was or wasn't on the floor?  
    
    					Steve

    
    The Cavs season hinges on tonights game against Atlanta (in Cleveland).
    The Cavs are favored by 5 points and the season series is tied at 2-2.
    I'm not sure if they play again, so the winner of this game may have
    the tie-breaker advantage.  Cleveland played last night, Atlanta
    didn't... its going to be a tough game... wish it was on TNT.
    
    

    Cavs schedule:
    ==============
    
    		Home	Away
       		----	----
    4/4		ATL
    4/6		BOS
    4/8		DET
    4/11		CHI
    4/12		WASH
    4/14	MIA
    4/16		MIL
    4/18		NJN
    4/20		ORL
    4/22		NYK
    
    Hoping they don't make it so the Clippers get another lottery pick!
    
    ...charlie	

    Steve,
    	Daughtery was being manhandled when the Cavs had the ball. 
    He didn't score much and didn't get the ball that often.  On
    defence, Hot Rod, Nance and Daughtery kept everyone out of the 
    paint, blocking shots right and left.
    	The schedual looks to be a tough one!  Hope they can win
    at least 5 of them.
    
    	What does Atlanta's schedual look like?
         o
    Go CAVS!

           
    People, check this out !
    
    re. 34.80
                                                    
    Detroit   #1  over  Atlanta #8
    Philadelphia #2 loses to Cleveland #7
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    Chicago   #3  over  Milwaukee #6
    New York  #4  over  Boston    #5
    
    Round 2:
    Detroit over New York
    Cleveland over chicago               
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    ==================================
    
    And now we have ......
    
    
   
    re .141
    
>    The Cavs season hinges on tonights game against Atlanta (in Cleveland).
>    The Cavs are favored by 5 points and the season series is tied at 2-2.
 
    Yo Paul, what happened ? Did you take that long-overdue reality
    break ? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    DrM

    Atlanta Schedule:
    =================
    
    		Home	Away
    		----	----
    4/4			CLEV
    4/5		DET
    4/7		PHIL
    4/10		PHIL
    4/11	MIL
    4/13		DET
    4/14		MIL
    4/17	NJN
    4/20		NYK
    4/21	MIA
    

    
    That schedule is tough? You are kidding, right? If they can only win 5
    of those games, they don't deserve to be in the playoffs. 

    
    
    DrPuny_human....  who's bandwagon are you on now?
    
    BTW, I noticed your hero Doug Williams was waived.  I finally figured
    out why he's your hero - you're both stiffs!
    
    c-ya!
    

    As expected .... the note contained ZERO in the way of facts or
    rebuttals, NADA on basketball.
    
    I'll give LiteLocks his due - at least he talks basketball. 
    
    Of course, this may have something to do with the fact that you
    know nothing about basketball ....
    
    BTW, how many Super Bowls has Bernie "No Show" Kosar won ?
    
    HAHAHAHHAHA !
    

Yawn 8^)

    
    Yawn...

    Oh yeah, well my Dad had a bigger gun than your Dad!

    
    Cavs beat Hawks and take over the 8th playoff position.  They are
    two games behind Indiana and closing.  Cavs have the tie-breaker
    on the Hawks after winning the season series 3-2.
    
    

    
    	It was good game.  
    
    	Price had a carrier high 20 assists.  Daughtery played excellent
    	inside.  Hot Rod was hot with the 15 ft jumper and great on
    	D.  Nance had a good game but..........trouble................
    	Late in the 4th quarter he went down.....hurt his foot again...
    	yes the same foot he has surgery on earlier this season....They
    	took him out of the game and he went to the locker room.  The
    	anouncer said that it was just a sprain.....hopefully he will
    	only miss a few.  Hot Rot and Tree will take up the slack in
    	the mean time.  
    		Whats up with Chievous.......hmmmmm, he hasn't played
    	in quite a while...at half time, Jim Chones interviewed Tree
    	Rollins and made a joke about Chievous.....as it goes...
    	Chievous needs to go to spring training before he is ready to
    	play pro ball.  
    		
    			WE WILL
    
    				WE WILL
    
    			R O C K   Y O U ! ! 
                     o
    		Go CAVS!

    Hey Hal:
    
    Watsa matta, not a woid about the refs in your replie.
    Your slippin'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Jake....
    		To be honest with you....They sucked the big one last
    night too!  But, not as bad as the other day...They are the reason
    for runs!
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    >>night too!  But, not as bad as the other day...They are the reason
    >>for runs!
          ^^^^^
    
    Hey Hal:
    
    I thought runs were in baseball!!!!!
    
    or something you get from tainted food or lousy beer!!!
    
    JaKe
    

    I think he was talking about what happens to Bernadettes stockings:-)
    

I went to that Knicks/Cavs games.  Sat real close to the court where I could
here remarks from the officials and players. 

The refs had nothing to do with the outcome.  The Knicks press had a lot
to do with it, though.

Dan

    
    The Cavs are in the drivers seat now for the 8th playoff spot.
    
    Indiana    36-37
    Cleveland  35-38
    Atlanta    35-39
    
    Cleveland plays Boston tonight in Cleveland.  A win would really
    put them in great shape.
    
    Anyone know how many home/road games each team has left?
    Indiana's record v.s. Atlanta and Cleveland this year?
    
    Its going to be tight, but I'll stick to my prediction of
    Cleveland finishing in the 7th playoff spot.
    
    Cleveland does have one remaining game against Indiana, and a 
    tough home game against Boston tonight and Detroit Sunday.

What's the word on Nance? What's his status for the rest of the season?
(He reinjured his left ankle).

TTom

    TTTTTTTTOM, 
    		
    	Nance is out for tonights game against Boston, but he may play
    against Detroil on Sunday.  His trainer said it is just a sprain.
    
    	As Jim Chones says.....only 5 more left.....gaurenteed!
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    After blowing one against the Celtics on Friday, the Cavs moved
    back into the drivers seat of Sunday by beating the Pistons.
    
    The Cavs played both games without Nance.  Detroit played without
    Dumars.
    
    Indiana       38-37
    Cleveland     36-39   Only two of them are home games
    Atlanta       35-40   5 homes games?
    
    Cleveland only has 2 home games, but some of the road games are
    against the leagues weakest teams.  Atlanta is effectively 2
    games behind Cleveland (they need to pass them to make the playoffs).
     

    
    seems to me Paul the Celts were winning for most of the game...
    
    and of course at the all IMPORTANT END!!!
    
    mike

    
    	Well, the Cavs take on the "ONE MAN TEAM" tonight...
    
    	I'd be willing to put my money on Cleveland...they know
    	this is a must win game.  Not sure if Nance will play.
    	Will find out tonight...8:30...WOIO...big, BIG game.
    	
    	Its going to be hard deceiding weather to watch the Cavs
    	or the Indians...
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    Put your money on the Cads ?
    
    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!
    
    Jordan is held to 47 points on 17-30 shooting, and Bulls squeak
    by 115-100 ....

    
    More babble from DrDirtBrain... as his GS Warriors are far from 
    playoff contention... Question is, whose bandwagon is he on
    now... Detroit?  LALakers?  Houston?  Philadelphia?  Portland?
    Utah?  Boston?
    

    Oh Paul, I am wounded.
    
    I must humbly defer to your brillance ....
    
    While I have never made mention of the Warriors, and I thought it
    was a known fact to the knowledgable that I follow the Lakers, Sixers
    and Rockets, I'll let you choose my teams.
    
    You, esteemed sir, have shown a willingness to choose my teams for
    me. Please make the wise choice.
    
    I'm sure you will, because I, like the rest of SPORTS, have the
    utmost respect for your talents .....

    > and I thought it was a known fact to the knowledgable that I follow
    > the Lakers, Sixers, and Rockets ...
    
    No DocZero, the *TRULY* knowledgable SPORTS veteran knows full well
    you're a follower of the Lakers, Sixers, Rockets, Knicks, Hawks, Spurs,
    Nuggets, whatever_NFL_team_is_hot, Pistons, Bulls, whatever_college
    _hoop_team_is_hot, whatever_baseball_team_is_hot, Clippers, Suns, and
    Pacers.  (Did I leave anybody out?)
    
    Heh heh heh!!
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    
    Haven't seen a box score... but the Cavs got spanked around by
    one of DrDirtBrain's seventeen favorite NBA teams last night -
    the Bulls... He'll probably be back on their bandwagon today.
    

    
    If I were a Cleveland fan, I would be rooting for them to lose the rest
    of the way and get a high draft pick. Daugherty is incredibly
    over-rated. Mediocre at best. Price is a whinney little punk. Bennet is
    an adequate back-up that has to start now. Ehlo is streaky, good one
    minute, lousy the next. This is not a good team. Definately not playoff
    material. If they get Ferry and another top player in the draft they
    might make some noise next year. 
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    
    re: .172 
    
    Strongly disagree Hoot.
    
    First of all, they traded their first round pick as part of the Ferry
    deal.. so, where they finish really doesn't matter.  
    
    Daugherty, has been hurt most of the year.  Lately, he has been
    inconsistent, however, when he has a good night, noone will stop him.
    
    Price, a whinner?  Why do you say that?  He got tossed one game and all 
    of a sudden he's a punk.  Get real, everyone in the league complains to 
    the officials EVERYONE!  And 99% of the time they have legitimate
    gripes.   Price has a great shot, can drive, and is an excellent
    passer.  Can't ask for much more from a point guard can you?
    
    Ehlo, I'm not that high on.  Too streaky.
    
    Bennette shouldn't be starting, in my opinion, Hot Rod should.  Hot Rod
    is the main reason the CAVS are still in the hunt this year.  His
    offense has been awsome this year.  
    
    You've got to take the injuries into account when evaluating the CAVS, 
    however, I put more of the blame for last years playoff embarrasment, 
    and this years ineptness on the coach.  IMO Lenny ain't getting the job
    done.  
    
    /Jeff

I don't see how you can blame Lenny Wilkins for the team's performance
this year.  Going into this season, the Cavs had all the ingredients to
make a serious run at the Eastern Conference Title.  Injuries probably
made it impossible for this season, but the bottom line on this team is
that management gagged big-time by trading Ron Harper for Danny Ferry.
They were already solid at the forward spots with Nance and Hot Rod, so 
they certainly didn't have a pressing need for Ferry.  Now, with Harper
gone, they have no one with comparable speed and quickness in the back-
court.  Price and Harper should have been their backcourt for years to
come.  Ehlo is nice to have, but he's not in the same class as Harper.

Typical Cleveland move.  On the verge of success and they couldn't handle
it.  Don't blame Lenny; the front office has ruined their future.

Laker_Ken

    
    I find it fairly easy to find Lenny at fault for not being able to find
    a way to keep Jordan from scoring 50 pts. every time they play Chicago.
    These teams know each other too well with all the times they've faced 
    each other (including the playoffs for the last 2 years) for Lenny 
    not to even have a clue!  The teams been terribly inconsistent and this
    tends to be a coaching problem (Rogers and the Celtics come to mind).  
    
    I'm not familiar with whether or not Ferry is a shooter?  I know he was
    a big scorer in college, but was this in as a power-type forward?  If
    he's a shooter, then I see perfectly well, why the Cavs front office 
    went for it.  Nance and Hot-Rod are too inconsistent with the outside 
    shot.    
    
    /Jeff

    
    Typical Lakers move, make it to the finals and get swept!  This
    year, they won't make it that far so they'll save you some
    embarassment.
    
    BTW, how great are the Clippers doing with Harper?
    
    Ferry will give the Cavs a great foursome in the frontcourt of
    Williams, Nance, Daugherty and Ferry.  They will solve their
    shooting guard problem before next season.
    

    	yawn....

    
    re .172
    
>    Haven't seen a box score... but the Cavs got spanked around by
>    one of DrDirtBrain's seventeen favorite NBA teams last night -
>    the Bulls... He'll probably be back on their bandwagon today.
 
    HAHHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!
    
    Caint handle it eh ?
    
    Eat your crow, and shut up !
    
    re .176
    
>    Typical Lakers move, make it to the finals and get swept!  This
>    year, they won't make it that far so they'll save you some
>    embarassment.
 
    BTW, how many titles have the Cavs won ?
    
    Okay, how many finals have the Cads been to ?
    
    Well, how many Conference Finals have the Calfs been to ?
    
    heh heh heh
    
>    Ferry will give the Cavs a great foursome in the frontcourt of
>    Williams, Nance, Daugherty and Ferry.  They will solve their
>    shooting guard problem before next season.
 
    Lou Gorman would be proud of you .... :-)
    
    Face facks, the Cads caint play four forwards, and Ron Harpers can't
    be found as easily as you think.                   
    
    If they had kept Harper, they'd still be a solid team in the East.
    
    Laker_Ken hit it on the head - Cleveland's front-office screwed
    up big-time with the Ferry deal. Hot Rod Williams can make Ferry
    obsolete - that is, if Ferry is even a quality NBA player (remember
    Mark Alarie ?) ....   
                                                                      
    DrM

    Now people, get ready for a classic reply by the esteemed Mr Gronowski
    which will feature :
    
    1) No substance.
    
    2) Stupid, weak, unimaginative nicknames (e.g. Dr Dirt_Brain).
    
    3) Non sequitors.
    
    4) Personal attacks.
    
    and of course ....
    
    5) Have [insert team] won [blank] ?
    
    5b) Doc, are you on [insert team]'s bandwagon ?
                                         
    DrM

    Doc,
    
    Actually Mark Alarie has had a pretty decent season with the Bullets.
    Not all-star, but not Derick Chevious either ;-)  (good Rockets
    move, eh Doc?)
    
    Also, Harper may never play at the same caliber again due to his
    injury, and Ferry hasn't played a minute in the NBA - so you can't
    judge that trade.  Ferry could come in and be great - freeing them
    up to trade one of their forwards - who knows.
    
    JD

    Clippers are jinxed!  Harper would still be tearing up most of the NBA
    if the Cavs kept him.
    
    Mike

    	Doc, the Cavs lost to the Celtics in the Conference Finals in
    1976.
    
    				/Don

    Gee Slasher, you mean Gearld Ford was president the last time the
    Cavs got within sniffin' distance of even a conference title ?
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!
    
    My, but hasn't Paul "The Human WriteLock" Gronowski been quiet lately ?

    	Hey, any president whose son smokes weed cain't be all bad.
    Actually it was a pretty good series too.  Charlie Scott saved the
    day for the Celtics in the 6th game.
    
    				/Don

>    	Doc, the Cavs lost to the Celtics in the Conference Finals in
 	
    	keyword = lost (aka. choked, gagged, blew it big time BABY!)
    8^)                     

    Sean, the keyword can be furthered distilled :
    
    Chock, gagged, et al = Pulling a Gronowski    
    
    I swear, it must be the toxic wastes in Cleveland.

    
    George, I've been quiet because I don't have time to play with you...
    you play with yourself enough.

    
    Reguarding the game in Chicago...see their note...
    
    Reguarding the game last night...the Cavs come back in the 4th
    and steal the game.  Malone went crazy in the 3rd making 9 of
    nine shots.  Nance is back...played a good game.  Hot Rod was not
    hot last night.  Daughtery is back in form again...DUNK, SLAM, POP!!!
    Bennett has good game.  Kerr make BIG 3 pointer to open the 4th.
    Officials were no better.  Ehlo had tough night guarding Malone.
    Close game, till the end.  I was sweating it.  Lots of blocked shots
    in this game.  Cleveland has been playing alot of the two man team
    lately and no one, NO ONE, can beat it.  Price and Daughtery.  Bring
    everything to one side and give the ball to Daugherty on the other
    side.  Score!  Score!  Score!
    
    	
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             o
    	Go CAVS!

    If I told you once, I've told you a 1,000 times SliverSheen -
    
    noting like that is bad for your complextion, you'll go blind, ect,ect,
    ect .....

    re .188 
    
    > When in doubt, pull it out !
    
    
    I *could* have a field day with this, but I'll be generous ... it
    *is* Friday .... :-)

    	Oh by the way, the "Rock You" song is TRADEMARK to Houston.  Rockets,
    ya know... the Rockdome... Olajuwon.  need I say more? 8^)
    
    sean

    i love the bulls i hope they destroy  the cadavliars  [tm]
    
    of course go celts
    
    
    dinz
    

    
    	Sorry Houston man.....
    
    	Cleveland is the ROCK AND ROLL capital of the world.
    
    	Thats where the songs comes from.  
    
    	     o
    	Go CAVS!
    
    
    			

    And I thought Cleveland was the Rocking Chair capital of the world.

    LiteLocks, we've been stomping to that beat in the Summit for years.
    Hell, we the Rockets were using "We Will Rock You", you Cads fans
    were still worshipping Ted Septic (Stepian) ...

    	I can assure you that Queen is neither from Cleveland OR Houston.
    However, the song IS trademark to Houston (as I stated before).
    All others are fakes.

For whatever its' worth, I remember hearing it for the first time
on TV from Shea Stadium with the Mets....

Excepting of course hearing Queen do it...

'Saw

  <<< Note 34.194 by AXIS::ROBICHAUD "AttilaTheHun,IvanTheTerrible,Rangers" >>>

>    And I thought Cleveland was the Rocking Chair capital of the world.
       That'd be Gardnah, Slasher.
                                            Denny

    If there's one thing that grates my nerves at a game it's that stupid
    WEWILLROCKYOU jive.  I'd rather have knitting needles implanted in my
    eyes.  All's ya need are a few Sam Kinnison types to get the masses
    going.  None of this artificial junk!
    
    					Steve

>    And I thought Cleveland was the Rocking Chair capital of the world.
    
    I thought it was Gardner ;-)

Actually, you shouldn't knock having knitting needles implanted
in your eyes.

I was going out with this girl one time who wanted to do that as
an aid to, well, you know, to assist her in getting, well, anyway,
you know what I'm saying...

So, things get going, and we're doing our best to make it onto the
channel for moral filth, and nexted thing you know she pulls these
knitting needles out.  Now I say to myself, Self, this is a a helluva
time for her to be knitting.

When all of a sudden she does her best "picador" imitation and jabs
these red knitting needles right into my eyes (I hate when that
happens) but as soon as I have these suckers sticking out of 
my eyes she was really getting into it...  Man what a bizarre 
chick...

She knit me a whole sweater that night....unbelievable....

Chainsaw

    
    
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Rollllllin'  Stephen

Mike JN

    'Saw, that was great!  Folks are coming into my cube wondering
    what the hell I'm laughing so hard at.   So much for the Cavs.
    
    Bret

    
    The Cavs are still in the thick of things after a big win in Miami.
    
         o
    Go CAVS!

    
    "big win in Miami"
    
    Ha ha ha ha ha! Wow! maybe they can beat Orlando next.

    >>...after a big win* in Miami.
    
    Actually, it was in Cleveland.  
    
    *Seikaly - nursing ankle bursitis - didn't play.
    
    I heard Ehlo gave Kevin Edwards an elbow to the eye that took 9
    stitches to close...and that Sherman Douglas gave Price a whack to the
    jaw coming upcourt with the ball in the 4th quarter that sent Mark to
    the lockerroom.  Miami papers only mentioned Ehlo's elbow; is Price OK?
    
    Kathy

Kathy, Price has been mouthing off a lot lately so I reckon he deserves
the shot from Sherm.  I wouldn't worry about him if I were you.  :)

Laker_Ken

    
    More great comments from Laker Ken... a legend in his own mind.

    
    Cavs win a big one on the road v.s. Milwaukee.  Three games left,
    1/2 game ahead of the Hawks.
    
    If the Hawks go 2-0, Cleveland can go 2-1 to make the playoffs.
    If the Hawks go 1-1, Cleveland can go 1-2.
    If the Hawks go 0-2, Cleveland is in regardless of what they do.
    
    They still have a shot at Indiana for the 7th spot.  I think they'll
    got 2-1... so I think Indiana would have to lose all the rest of their
    games.
    

    
    	Lets talk TEAM effort here.....
    
    	             o
    		Go CAVS!

    
    What's the CAVS record vs. Indy this year?  Finishing 7th, might not be 
    such a great idea based on the way Philly took it to Detroit last
    night.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    Okay DrMouth..  Cavs aren't going to make the playoffs huh?
    They are the #7 seed, just as I stated they would be in .80.
    
    Bet you'll be on the 76ers bandwagon now... atleast until they
    exit the playoffs... Of course, the Cavs will be underdogs in
    the first round...

    
    Cavs have won 6 straight and 17 of last 23 entering the playoffs.  
    
    They sure came on strong once that "overrated" center Brad Daugherty 
    got back into the groove.  I don't think anyone will be taking them 
    lightly in the playoffs, although, I wish they would.  
    
    /Jeff

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (BOB KEIM, UPI Sports Writer)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Cavs start season slow; finish strong
Date: 23 Apr 90 19:20:01 GMT
 
 
	RICHFIELD, Ohio (UPI) -- Beating Philadelphia in the first round of
the playoffs will be difficult.
	But as far as the Cleveland Cavaliers are concerned, it won't be
any more difficult than the road they traveled to get into the playoffs
for the third straight year.
	Before the season began, Cleveland, winners of 57 games a year ago,
was considered a favorite to challenge for the NBA title in 1989-90.
That was before Brad Daugherty missed half of the season recovering from
foot surgery, before Larry Nance and Mark Price missed the start of the
year with injuries, and before Ron Harper was traded.
	In addition, Chris Dudley started the year with a broken wrist,
Steve Kerr got chicken pox early in the season, and Wayne ``Tree''
Rollins injured a knee. Coach Lenny Wilkens spent the first month of the
season trying to find enough healthy bodies to get a full practice
together.
	``It looked very bleak at the beginning of the year,'' Wilkens
said. ``All these things are happening, guys are saying `Wow, what did
we do wrong?' I just kept telling them `Hey, keep working hard because
out of this something good will come. It may be painful, but it will be
there.'''
	Eventually, Wilkens' words came true. The Cavaliers won their final
six games of the year, and 17 of their last 23, and go into the playoffs
healthy, a marked change from last year when Price, Nance and Daugherty
were hurting.
	``This year we are healthier, so you have to feel better,'' Nance
said. ``We're a good team when we're healthy.''
	The Cavaliers won't have the home-court advantage, but they found
out last year that playing more games at home in the playoffs doesn't
always lead to a series victory. Chicago eliminated Cleveland in five
games last year, and the Cavs, who won 57 games last season, have won
only one playoff series in their 20-year history.
	``They're a dangerous team,'' New York coach Stu Jackson said of
the Cavs. ``This is still one of the better teams in the league and I
tell you, it's a tough draw if you're drawing them for the seventh seed.
I like their talent.''
	Cleveland turned its season around in Milwaukee on March 11. The
Cavs went into that game with six straight losses, and were coming off a
145-105 defeat at Golden State, a performance that so angered Wilkens he
accused his club of quitting.
	But the Cavs regrouped, beat the Bucks 107-96, and have been on a
roll ever since.
	``We're playing like I'd like us to play,'' Wilkens said. ``We're
aggressive, we're moving the ball real well. There's no question (the
team is playing its best ball of the season). We've had stretches where
we've won five games in a row, but this is the best stretch in that the
games meant something and we had to go out on the road and do it.''
	The Cavs split the season series with Philadelphia, winning once at
home and once on the road. Now that the club is healthy, winning a
series from the Atlantic Division champions is not such a far-fetched
idea.
	``We've got a good thing going for us right now,'' said guard Craig
Ehlo. ``It's just amazing how things can change so fast.''

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (BOB KEIM, UPI Sports Writer)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: There's more to Philly than Charles Barkley
Date: 24 Apr 90 19:57:35 GMT
 
 
	RICHFIELD, Ohio (UPI) -- Charles Barkley gets most of the attention,
and rightfully so.
	He's explosive on the court with a flair for the dramatic, loves to
exchange insults with fans, speaks his mind to reporters and even keeps
NBA Commissioner David Stern busy by making side bets with his buddy
Mark Jackson or fighting with the Detroit Pistons.
	Just his shaved head and his nickname, the ``Round Mound of
Rebound,'' would be enough to generate a good deal of publicity even if
Barkley were the reticent type, which he most definitely is not.
	But as the Cavaliers prepare for their best-of-five playoff series
with Philadelphia that begins Thursday in the Spectrum, they see a lot
more to the Atlantic Division champion 76ers than Barkley.
	``My game plan is that we go in and win the game,'' Cleveland coach
Lenny Wilkens said Tuesday when asked how he planned to keep Barkley
under control.
	``I think (the media) are too focused on how we're going to stop
one guy. I think the primary purpose is to win the game and give good
help when we can, whether it's through a double team or trap or
whatever. We'll try to employ all those things that we're good at.''
	In four games against Cleveland, Barkley averaged 24 points, 9.5
rebounds, and 4.5 steals per contest. Heresy Hawkins averaged 19.5
points per game against Cleveland while Ron Anderson averaged 14.3
points and Mike Gminski 13.
	While the Sixers do have other offensive weapons, specifically
Hawkins and his long-range shooting, keeping Barkley under control is a
major part of any winning game plan for Philadelphia opponents. No one
Cavalier will have the job of guarding Barkley alone, but small forward
Winston Bennett will start off the game on Barkley, and get help from
his teammates whenever possible.
	``Barkley is so deceptively quick for his size,'' said Bennett, a
rookie from Kentucky. ``He has the great jumping ability, the great
bounce off the floor. So any time you've got a guy that athletically
talented he presents a lot of problems.
	``He can handle the ball out on the perimeter. When he's doubled,
he can see the open man. He has the quickness and moves to take you to
the hole or shoot the jumper. As you can tell, he presents a world of
problems.''
	Barkley causes much of his problems on the offensive boards, where
he is a master of anticipation and position. Whenever another
Philadelphia player takes a shot, a Cavalier will have to get his body
between Barkley and the basket.
	``He's one of the best rebounders in the league,'' Bennett said.
``I'm really going to have to focus myself on keeping him off the boards
at all times.''
	While Bennett is focusing on Barkley, and the thought of guarding
him for up to five straight games has to bring headaches to any NBA
player, he echoes Wilkens' belief that the rest of the Cavaliers have to
concentrate on their assignments and not let Barkley's actions dictate
their actions.
	``I don't think that the whole team has to be conscious of one
guy,'' Bennett said, ``because we each individually have to contain our
own man. If we lose our guy, hopefully somebody will be there to help
us.''

    
    	Good last two!  It's going to be tough but, the Cavs will win
    it!  I expect them to win the first game then the two at home to
    play the Bucs.  
    
    	Looking forward to the game!  
    
    	Where is the 6er's file.
                
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    re: -1
    
    	Thats right....I really don't see the one man team (Jordan)
    going far!  Just as the 76ers...Barley...another one man team...
    not as dominate though.  The BULLShitter WON'T go far!  I can't
    even stand the smell of their file anymore!  Where is the Philly
    file anyway?  
    
         o
    Go CAVS!

    Bob Hunt or Doc Midnight should create the '76er note since they're the
    resident Philly fans.
    
    Mike

    Actually there is one around note 6 isn't it ?

    	Yeah, someone should make a sixers note.  Are there any sixers
    fans/experts around here?  Could have some great discussions on
    Barkley and the upcoming series against Clev.
    
    sean

    Nope.  I did a DIR for Phil, and for 76.  Only the Eagles have a note.
    
    Mike

    	Ok.  I made a note.  222.*  

    
    Go Sixers... what a team... I've got the Sixers media guide for the
    past 5 years...  and 8x10 glossy's of all the Sixers players for
    the past 7 years.
    
    I'm kind of bumming that the Sixers and Cavs have to meet in the
    first round.
    
    So much for all those fools who claimed that trading a 1st round
    pick for Mahorn was a waste...
    

    
    
    The Cavs are in the hole 1-0... Saturday night on TNT is the big
    game of the series for the Cavs.  They must win to tie the series
    at 1-1 heading back to Cleveland.

    
    
    Paul, for some strange reason the game is on Sunday night, not Saturday.  
    Don't ask me why.  
    
    From the stats it looks like they played a real good game with the
    exception of Ehlo's shooting (3-14).. Without seeing the game, I can't 
    understand how they lost unless they turned the ball over a lot.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    Cavs are in deep trouble now...  Nance looked terrible and the 
    Cavs hustle as a team (excluding Price) has to be questioned.

    
    Come on....Lenny must go???  No, I don't think so!  I think the
    main problem for the two Cavs loses are caused by a very hiper
    Ehlo!  The guy is acting like a crazy man.  Does he think he has
    to do it all when he is in the game?  He has been throwing the 
    ball to the other team, missing wide open shots, over reacting...
    its been discusting!  I want to know where all the 3 pointers
    have gone...?  I still think the Cavs will come together at home
    and win the next three.  They will go to Phili knowing they can
    beat them, after winning two at home, and take comand down there.
        
         o
    Go CAVS!

    
    or possibly Elho was playing over his head during the regular season
    and now that the money is on the line he's reverting to nothing
    more than a bench player.......
    
    mike

    Or maybe the Sixers are simply the superior team to the Cads.
    
    Case closed - end of subject !

    
    Geesh, how can such a great "team" lose a game due one player? 

    
    How can a team lose a game due to one player you ask???   
    
    Well, If this one player gets the ball, say 25 times durring the
    game......he takes 13-15 shots at the basket and misses all but
    3...there goes over twenty points....lets say he usually only makes
    50% of his shots...thats 10 points...but, most of his shots come
    from the 3 point line...that makes alot of difference.  total of
    30 points lost, if he usually makes 50% = 15 points.  Now this
    same player turns the ball over to the other team 5 to 10 times
    durring the game, lets add this up.  loses the ball 5 times to the
    other team, total possible 10-15 points, if the other team makes
    50% of them its 5-8 points.  Its very easy to see how one player
    can loses the game for his team!  
    
    Cleveland lost both games by what.......6 points apiece?
    
    Take Ehlo out of the picture and you get a win!  
                
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    Which explains why Cleveland isn't the championship caliber team you
    keep dreaming about.
    
    					Steve

    
    So, what do you do about it???   Fire the coach???  or
    	Toss the player???
    
    	I'd toss the player myself!  I watched this guy lose too
    many games for the Cavs durring the year!
    
                                         o
    	But, what can I say.......  Go CAVS!

    
    
    Wilkens is an excellent coach and Ehlo is a solid starting guard.
    
    Ehlo has a couple of bad games so he should be tossed?  Where would
    the Sixers be if they used this theory on Hersey Hawkins last year
    when he stunk up the place in the playoffs.
    
    Give Ehlo a break!  He's no Hersey Hawkins, but he's not stiff (John
    Bagley, DJ) either.
    
    Cleveland isn't winning because they don't have the desire.  Last
    game they were down by 5-7 points with 2 minutes to go.  The pass
    goes into Daugherty and he drops it.  While Sixers are diving on the
    floor to get the ball, Daugherty and the rest of the Cavs are reaching
    for it from a standing position.  Gminski dives to the ground to take
    it.  With the exception of Mark Price and John Williams, the team lacks
    hustle and desire.  Nance is playing at about 75% and Ferry is not
    signed (BTW, Harper is watching the playoffs at home on TV).
    
    I expect Cleveland to come out fired up for this home game and beat
    the Sixers by 5-10 points.  I'll have to wait to see what their 
    attitude is after the game to fairly evaulate their chances in 
    game 4.

    
    yeah But Hal, Elho also won a few for them too. Don't toss the player
    
    just because he's off.  He just needs to make a different contribution
    like coming off the bench I think.
    
    the bottom line in this series is Johnny Dawkins is too quick for
    the cavs guards and he's toasting them with his fine play. Imagine
    if Harper was still around to defend him????
    
    mike

    phila is the better team... plain and simple
    
    dinz
    

    
    Dinz, you're all wet.  The season series was 2-2.  2 playoff games have
    gone to the Sixers who have had home court advantage, and have just
    managed to slip by the Cavs in both games.  
    
    How can you say they're the "plain and simple" better team?  
    
    Of course if they win tonight I'll concede the point.
    
    /Jeff
    

    /JEFF
    
    that was just the DINZ kiss of death on sixers to prolong series,
    
    

    
    	What a game!!!
    
    	Do ya wanta play physical ball???  Ok, take the TREE!!!
    
    	Great game played by the Cavs last night!  Ehlo comes through...
    finally.  Phili came out and tried to bully the Cavs, but, Cleveland
    takes none of it!  Turnning point in the game.....third quarter,
    Barkley goes in for a dunk, but, Ehlo shoves the ball right in his
    face...the crowd goes crazy!  The Cavs would not let anyone in the
    paint...if they went to the paint...they got smashed...on the ground.
    IN YOUR FACE!!!  Cavs defense played a great game...double teaming
    Barkley then picking up the open man off the double team...they
    were moveing around like I've never seen them do before.  On Ehlo's
    IN YOUR FACE block of Barkley's shot, Barkley goes to the line and
    starts smileing, he was shook up!  Jim Chones said so!  After this,
    Barkley tries to bring the team back but everytime he gets the ball
    the Cavs were all over him, beating him up, physically taking him
    out of the game.  Barkley was frustrated and then he starts fouling
    anyone with the ball.  Phili takes him out of the game when he get
    a T.  The fourth quarter was all 2nd string Cleveland.  Bring in
    the TREE and Dudley.  More physical activity.  They would not let
    anyone get the easy shot.  What a difference this game was!  
    
    	I wonder what happened to Barkley and Brooks last night....they
    looked like they had taken downers....at least compared to the last
    game.  
    
    	Officiating...they let alot of things go, both for Cleveland
    and against.  I would have still thrown out a couple of Phili players
    for major fouls.  Price was just hit outright, lucky the benches
    didn't clear.  Barley was lucky the crowd didn't rush the floor
    for the way he was acting early on in the game.  
    
    	3 pointers...Ehlo hit a couple of big ones.  Passes from the
    double team on Daugherty set him up.  Phili couldn't cover it at
    all!
    
    	See, one player makes a big differnece...Ehlo was under control!
    He didn't turn the ball over once!  He wasn't the only one though...
    7 Cleveland players scored in the double figures.  Cheaves had a
    great game...driving in the paint...this guy doesn't care who is
    in his way.  The time was right for him in this game.  Bennett was
    outstanding...comming out of no where to dunk the ball, and picking
    up big rebounds.  The Cavs ruled the boards.  Everyone on the Cleveland
    roster scored points.
    
    	I see the Cavs totally dismantling Phili on Thursday...Phili
    will go home thinking that they have no chance at willing at home.
    The Cavs will dominate!!!
    
    	     o
    	Go CAVS!

    re: -1
    
    When did Price get hit? Was this before or after he threw a punch at
    Thorton? I would assume that Stern will be suspending Price for the
    next game in the game, and that should hurt the Cavs a bit. The Cavs
    did set the tempo early, knocking Sixers down, not letting anybody get
    a shot up without hitting them, crashing to the boards no matter who
    was in the way. The refs let it all go by and as a result very nearly
    lost control of the game. Jimmy Lynam did the smart thing by pulling
    the starters out (I hope Stern doesn't fine the Sixers for that)
    becauser there was absolutely no way the Sixers could win this game.
    Ehlo played out of his mind (I guess now he should be tested for drugs)
    and the whole thing got out of hand
    
    Anyway, it doesn't matter how much you lose by, it still only counts as
    one loss. Thursday night will be different. If we can get some order to
    the game in the 1st quarter, maybe the Sixers will be allowed to play
    their game in the paint and have a shot at finishing it off.
    
    Dennis
     

    
    Dinz, thanks for the KOD.  Can you repeat for us tomorrow night?  
    
    /Jeff

    
    sure.. may cost ya though :))
    
    
    dinz
    

 >The fourth quarter was all 2nd string Cleveland.  Bring in the TREE and Dudley. 

	Hey WriteLock, you must be a real die-hard Cavs fan... You don't
even know who's on the team!!!! Dudley was traded to the Nets a couple of
months ago. You probably meant Mokeski...  Have you been 'Noting Under The
Influence' NUTI (tm) again???


JimH

    
    	Mokeski, thats right.....I've never been good at remembering
    names....

    Noting Under The Influence - NUTI (tm) - I love it!!!!!!!
    
    Seen a lot of guys look like they've been having a NUTI (tm)
    in SP90!!!
    
    NAZZ

    Theres a guy walking the halls here in Hudson with a CAVS shirt and 
    a Indians hat...Could this be Mr. Whitehair????
    
    Inquiring minds would like to know????
    
    kw
    

    	Gronowski ALL the way.

    
    
    NOT ME!  I wore my Cavs hat at my softball game last night...
    
    Whitehair is not a fan anyways... he's trying to upset the 
    Karma by talking bad about Ehlo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    
    	No, I'm not talking bad about Ehlo, but, if the Cavs should
    lose to Phily, something has to be done.  The team is as good as
    they are going to be and if changes are going to be made....that
    would be my choice.  I've saw many a game where he was the reason
    we lost and I've also saw many a game where he was the reason we
    won, but, all in all, I'd say trade him.....tell me this.....where
    will he be if Danny F. plays in cleveland next year???  
    	You tell me what you would do?
    
    	The big basketbrawl game is tonight!!!!!
    
    	Isn't this rediculous, there is far too much physical contact
    between these two teams!  I watched the Boston game yesterday and
    there is no where close to as much contact as there is in the
    Cavs/Phily games.....Hopefully the officials will be able to keep
    control of this game.
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    re: -1
    
    Where will Ehlo a starting guard be when Ferry plays for Cleveland
    next year?  Ferry is a forward/center.  My understanding is the
    Cavs will use the following line-up:
    
    C Daugherty
    F Nance
    F Ferry        Williams coming off the bench to fill all 3 front
                   court positions
    G Ehlo
    G Price
                   Hopefully Chevious can become a player with a training
                   camp under his belt.  I also think they'll try and 
                   switch Bennett and/or Brown to the swing G/F position.

    
    The Cavs should deal Nance.  Do it now, while he's still worth
    something.  With the way Hot Rod has developed, I believe Nance is 
    expendable.  Maybe they can get a decent shooting guard for him (with 
    speed please), and place Ehlo back on the bench where he belongs. 
    
    This would make the line-up:
    
    C Duagherty
    PF Hot Rod
    SF Ferry
    PG Price   
    SG ????    
    
    This will allow Ehlo to come of the bench to play either guard or small 
    forward position.  Add Benette and Kerr off the bench and you've got a
    formittable squad, assuming they can get a decent guard in the Nance
    deal.  I'm afraid if they wait another year, though, Nance won't be 
    worth too much.  I don't know if he'll ever be 100% again.  
    
    /Jeff

    	In other words, the KJ, Mark West deal for Nance was a big screwup
    by the Cavs?

    
    nope it was a great trade for both teams. Nance has given the Cavs
    solid production both offensively and defensively until nagged by
    injuries this year. KJ has given the Suns the point they needed.
    Cavs couldn't play both Price and KJ at the point at the same time
    so what where they supposed to do? The development of West has probably
    given the edge in the trade to the Suns plus the age factor...
    
    mike

    
    West is pretty much the same player now that he was with the 
    Cavs.  He wasn't going to get much playing time with Daugherty
    around and was expendable....
    
    Now... a bad deal... Cartwright for Oakley..
    

     	Wasn't it though?  I mean, Chicago probably wouldn't have been
    the number 2 team in the east if they had kept that injury prone
    power forward.  How many weeks did he miss this season?  8?  Where
    did NY end up in the standings because of it?   Chicago sure pulled
    one over NY's haid.
    
    sean

With all this talk I can't beleive that trading Fat Lever to the Cav's for Nance 
wouldn't be a good deal. 
Lever is a good point guard even though Mike Adams handles that responsibility. 
Lever rarely makes mistakes and always plays into the hot player. 

    	Lever is an extraordinary rebounder also.

    Re: Phoenix - Cleveland deal
    
    Each team also received another player that is with neither team now. 
    Cavs also received Mike Sanders and Phoenix Ty Corbin.
    
    Don't underestimate Mark West, he's having a monster playoffs so far
    this year!  Double figures (high teens) in points and boards, almost
    double figures (high single digits) in shot blocks too.  The guy is
    very strong and an animal under the glass!
    
    Maybe the Cavs should've traded Price instead of KJ ;-)
    
    Mike
    
    

    
    Price is right!
    
    

    
    
    I agree with Mike, the Suns-Cavs deal was good for both teams.  Recall,
    that KJ didn't develop into the player he is until after the trade.  In
    his first year with Cleveland he was un-impressive.  
    
    Nance can still contribute, my point was that he has been less than
    100% all year, and with the development of Hot Rod why not move him.  
    If they can obtain a quality guard in return they will be a better 
    team for it. 
    
    /Jeff 

Lever plays shooting guard  but He is a very good ball handler. I think he 
could play point.

Jeff

    re; .263
    
    
    injury prone power forward --- ha ha ha
    
    with the exception of this latest stint he was among the steadiest
    players.  High on the list for current iron man.
    
    
    also talk about injury prone -- consider cartwright.  He had more
    injury stints then I'd like to remember.  No question cartwright for
    oakley was a bad deal.  The bulls were trading out of desperation.
    
    

    The Richfield Cavaliers have agreed to move back into Cleveland into a
    downtown publicly owned arena to be managed by the Cavs. 
     

    
    The Cavs win.........
    
    Not much to say about this game.....it was pretty much like the
    last.
    
    The first play of the game said everything...
    	Barkley goes for the dunk.......Ehlo slams the ball
    			IN HIS FACE
    	for the foul.....the crowd goes wild.....Barkley misses
    	both shots at the line.
    
    This was another *very* physical game!  You can see the 
    frustration by the way the Phily players acted durring the 
    game.  The Cavs stoped the Phily big men in the paint but
    Dewight and Hawkins took their shots.  Daugherty had a field
    day and Barkley showed his frustration by intentionally giving
    Brad both forearms at his neck early in the fourth.  You should
    have seen Barkley's face.  8-)  Then practically on the next 
    play, Ehlo goes in alone for the dunk and again, Barkley floors
    him.....another intentional foul.  He should have been thrown
    out of the game!  Barley wasn't the only one either.....there
    were flagerent fouls by Hawkins, Mahorn and Diwight.  Diwight
    was thrown out of the game for pushing around Price.  
    	Bennett had another great game, comming out of nowhere to 
    get the tap, get the dunk, get the rebound....He has made a big
    difference in the last two games.  He has played Barkley well!
    	Price was hot the whole night....driving to the basket only
    to give the ball to Hot Rod, Tree, Brad, etc.....18 assists for
    the game!  
    	Ehlo did not have a good night, but, he didn't hurt the team
    with his bad shooting and he also didn't throw the ball away.  
    Because of game 3 however, he had to be reconed with and therefore,
    the other guys were open.
    	Hot Rod had some good jumpers.....*big* baskets, when they 
    really needed them.
    	Daugherty....the best game of his carrier...great soft touch
    baskets...some dunks...great passing.
    	Tree Rollins played another good game not allowing anyone in
    the paint, getting the big rebound, creating the turnover.
    	Cheveous played a good game....one thing though....I don't
    understand why he has to open his mouth so wide when foul shooting.
    He has some major cavities!  He is a driver...not afraid of anyone.
    	Nance played probibly his best game of the playoffs...blocking
    shots, getting the baskets when they counted, in the paint.
    
    	Game 5 will be something to see, thats for sure.  Barkley is
    no good away from home!  Phily could have been in the game if not
    for all their missed open shots...It could have been alot closer.
    The game in Phily will be up for grabs.  If the Cavs can come out
    early and get a big lead, don't look for Phily to come back.  The
    Cavs have figured them out....stop Barkley from getting in the
    paint and make them shoot the foul shots...no three pointers.  The
    Cavs defense must play the way they have the last two games.
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    Hal needs a conversion chart with his replies.  ;*)
    
    Diwight I think is Johnny Dawkins. He got 2 ts called on him during the
    game. The first was on a drive down the lane where he was hit three
    times, missed the shot (what a shock), and got no call. He said
    something to the official and got an instantaneous T. The second was
    after a hard foul by Nance (I think) and Johnny threw an elbow. (I'm
    tempted to say like Mark Price did in games 2 and 3, but I won't). 
    
    The Sixers were frustrated for sure. The outside shots weren't falling
    and when the drove to the hoop, they got banged big time with very
    liitle whistle action from the refs. If that happens again Saturday,
    there's no way the Sixers will win.
    
    Interesting note to the game. There was a moving pick called. The only
    shock was that it was one of the more stationary picks that was set. Of
    course it was on Mahorn. Now, if the could ony watch Richfield's big
    guys that close.
    
    Dennis
    

    
    How about that Ehlo. During the first period, he drives down lane and
    elbows Ron Anderson in the head, opening a wound that takes six
    stitches to close. No problem, no foul. 
    
    Also, on the opening sequence, Ehlo didn't stuff Barkley's shot. What
    he did was rap his arms around Charles to prevent the slam, he wasn't
    even trying for ball. He almost got planted into the basket support
    when he bounced off Charles.
    
    But Hal, don't let any facts get in the way of a good story.  ;*)
    
    Dennis
    

    
    Well, I don't know....
    
    	About Ehlo's elbo.....I watched the replay and couldn't
    even see the point where the elbo hit his FACE.....?
    
    	About Ehlo's block/hold.....Yea, he was tring for the ball!
    The point is.....not let Barkley score!
    
    	About the officiating.....The officials went both ways.....
    In the second period.....the Cavs couldn't get a foul called!
    
    	The call on Dawkins when he was thrown out of the game...a
    foul....Dawkins couldn't make the shots because he was in the 
    dressing room.  
    
    	No stories here.......thats the way it was!!
    
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    Gee Hal, talk to me about moving picks going both ways. The next time
    Richfield sets a stationary pick, it will be the first. If they used
    the same standards they use with Mahorn on Daugherty, Nance, Bennet,
    and Williams, those folks would be gone by halftime.
    
    BTW- Reread my reply. I never said the calls didn't go both way. I
    said the Sixers didn't get the calls in the paint. In the 3rd quarter,
    Charles stopped going inside because he was getting hammered, missing
    the shot, and not getting a foul called. It just wasn't smart
    basketball for him to continue to go inside. At that point, if the
    outside shots were falling, I think the Sixers could have won. But they
    all suffered from Ehlo's Philadelphia Syndrome and threw up some
    miserable shots. 
    
    Also, I think if the calls go the same "both ways" for the home team on
    Saturday, you'll be in here Monday crying the blues about the end of
    the Richfield Cavaliers season.
    
    Dennis
    

    Hal, to put it mildly your objectivity is equivalent to that of a
    Lakers chearleader.  But please do tell us who was drugged out last 
    night.
    
    					Steve

    
    
    Getting a little worried Dennis...
    
    C H O K E!

    If the same kind of stuff happens that happened the last two games
    happens in game five, you bet I'm worried. You would have to be an
    idiot or a fool not to be (do either of these apply to you). By the
    same token, if I was a Richfield fan (and I thank my lucky stars I'm
    not) I'd be worried because the home team seems to get a "little"
    benefit from the whistles. I hope that trend holds out into game 5, and
    the NBA doesn't schedule some neutral officials or something like that.
    
    I think either team could win, and every little edge in momentum is
    important, and to say a call here or a call there doesn't affect what
    happens is folly. I just hope the team in white prevails again.
    
    BTW - I just looked up CHOKE in the dictionary, and it said "when in
    Philadelphia, see Ehlo". Do you know what that ould be about???  ;*)
    
    Dennis
    

Hawk, that palming display by Floyd was so flagrant (he was showboating)
that the refs had to call it.  Now you want to talk about noncalls?
How about the mugging that Wiggins laid on Magic all night long?  He
was hanging all over him and they let that stuff go.  

Laker_Ken

    
    Dennis, why should I be worried about the Cavs.  Its already been
    stated by most noters that the Sixers are the better team... that
    the Cavs have virtually no chance to win the series and that the
    Sixers are favored.  If they lose, its to be expected... right?
    
    I mean this team barely made the playoffs.  They traded Ron Harper
    for nothing...  they were lucky to have the 2nd best record in the
    NBA in 1988-89... daugherty is soft in the middle...  ehlo is a
    stiff... price is violent and bound to get ejected one of these
    games... bennett is a rookie... 
    
    
    Saturday Preview:
    Cavs 102  Sixers 97  Mahorn gets ejected in the 2nd period.
    
    Bring on the Bulls.

    
    re......drugs...
    
    	Ok, lets look at the games.......
    
    	Game 1:  Barkley has to be taken out of the game in the first
    		quarter because has too much energy?????
    
    	Game 2:  Brooks has to be held down by an official....he goes
    		uncontrollably into the stands??????
    		 Ehlo goes nuts but help the other team.....????
    
    	Game 3:  Phily and company have no energy.....????
    
    	Game 4:  Phily and company unable to handle the pressure.....?????
    
    
    	Now, the last two games, I saw nothing unusual.   Phily did
    not win!!!  Maybe it was the crowd???????  
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    	AHA!  The voice of raisin, at last.  The Philly crowd is wild,
    and they pump up Barkley and Co.  That's what they call home court
    advantage.

    
    	Its funny that you say that because in game 2.........
    
    	Barkley dunks the ball...but...no crowd noise....
    
    		Barkley pumps up the crowd!!???
    		Why???Why does he have to do it???
                Barkley has to swing his arms around
    		to get any responce from the crowd.
    
    		I think the big thing is when Barkley hits
    		someone at home, he gets the feeling that its ok.
    
    		You don't see that in Cleveland..
    
    	The way I saw game 2 was...Cleveland had taken the crowd
    	out of the game until the end when Ehlo gave the game to them.

    Hal, if you get a chance during tomorrow's game watch the Philly bench
    during timeouts.  The trainer has two or three (I can't remember which)
    crack pipes that look like water bottles.  He then puts a cool, wet,
    white towel over the player's head (usually Barkley) while the player 
    sits there and puffs away.  Then the player more often than not, plays
    out of control for the next 10 minutes or so.
    
    They can't do this in Cleveland because the crack isn't as available
    and they don't want to take the risk of smuggling it on the plane. 
    What an uproar that would cause!
    
    					Steve

>    They can't do this in Cleveland because the crack isn't as available
>    and they don't want to take the risk of smuggling it on the plane. 
>    What an uproar that would cause!


	And that's the real reason the Piston's have there own plane. They
have no problem with bringing crack on their road trips!!! :-)

	HTH

	JimH

>    Because of game 3 however, he had to be reconed 
    
Hal,
    
    Did Barkley puncture his silicone implants or what?  8-)
    
Claybone

    Article on the UPI wire today about the Cavs threatening to move back
    into Cleveland.  Seems the county for the Richfield area is considering
    a tobacco and alcohol tax hike for a new arena.  Cavs officials, who
    own the Richfield arena, say they will move the team if the county goes
    through with their plans.
    
    Mike

    re .288
    
    Steve, I'm dyiing !

    rE:.292
    > ...the Cavs threatening to move back into Cleveland.
    
       The city of Cleveland is much too smart to ever allow this!!
                                    Denny

    
    The Philadelphia 76ers eliminated the Richfield Cavaliers this
    afternoon. The game was a no contest. The 76ers dominated from the get
    go. The only ones that seemed to be able to generate any offense for
    the Cavs were Hot Rod Williams and Brad Daugherty. Particularly
    Daugherty, he just rammed his way right over Gminski. But, another
    first round playoff defeat for the Cavs.
    
    BTW - Do they make Ehlo pay extra for his luggage when he travels with
    all those bricks?
    
    Dennis

    I didn't catch the exact score but the Sixers held the Cavs under
    100 points.
               
    Bye, bye Cavs.   Hello, Bulls.
    
    Bob Hunt

    The score was 113-97.  Barkley had 20+ rebounds.  Hawkins had 39
    points.

    
    
    Cavs can't get it done on the road...  Embry stated they need
    more help on the boards... maybe they should have tried to 
    acquire Mahorn before the season started.
    

    
    	This was a terible game!  Barkley sucks!!!  He should have
    been thrown out of the game on two occasions!  First...when
    Mark Price was going in for the lay-up...Barkley comes in from
    the side and slams Mark in the side of the face with his forearms.
    I saw this replay several times...I think they only showed in 
    once on CBS...its no wonder why...  Barkley should have been
    tossed from the game for this kind of play...there was no need
    to foul anyone like that!  Then, to beat all, he didn't even
    get called for the foul!  Later in the game....he hits Ehlo.
    I thought that this kind play warrents ejection...?  Ehlo was
    down for the count.  Barkley is a jerk!  I said JERK!!!
    	After seeing the way he played in this game, I have a mind
    to write the commissioner and tell him how I feel.  Is this what
    we want our kids to do when they play the game???  No, I don't
    think so!  If this is what the game has come to...then I won't
    have my son play!  The fouls he committed were rediculous!  They
    wern't fouls at all.  
    	I was able to watch a couple of post game interviews and was
    surprised to here so many people, including Barkley, say that the
    best team didn't win!  I agree with this......
    	Yep, the Cavs go home, but, I hope Phily gets their just
    deserves......A slap in the face!  They are not a real basketball
    team.
    	As far as Ehlo goes.....your right.....he played like he had
    bricks in his shoes!  What do you say to this game Paul???  I
    say, trade him!  Get some new blood in the line up.  
    	On the Ohio Sports Channel, the talk is that Danny Farry will
    be in Cleveland next year.  Also, I saw an interview with the
    Cavs GM....he also is upset with the type of play Phily executes
    on the court.  Don't think this will go unlooked at!!!  he said.
    	Lets hope on an injury free summer!
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!
    
    
    
    		Barkley is a JERK!!!
    	
    		What does his play say for the town of Phily???
    
    		He is a .........
    
    
    		J
    		 A
    		  C
    		   K
    
    			AND YOU KNOW WHAT COMES NEXT!!!

>    		Barkley is a JERK!!!
>    		What does his play say for the town of Phily???
    
    I think you said it best last week, Whitehair...
    
    
    
    
    IN YOUR FACE!
    
    It continually amazes me how you Cleveland fans can dish it out but
    can't take it no matter what sport.  The best team did win.
    
    I hate Barkley and agree he should have at least been given a T for the
    body block on Ehlo, which would have been followed by his patented
    whining and b!tching that he's being picked on.
    
    But what I hate more is Whitehair's IN YOUR FACE DIPSY-DOO NOTEROO. 
    Glad all this is over until football season.  Lord, please let the
    Tribe have another dismal season.
    
    Time to put your CAPS LOCK to sleep now, Hal.  But I think we agree on
    one thing:
    
    
    
    
    Go Bulls!
    
    	--dan'l

    whitehair youre too much
     haaaaaaaaa
    

    
    	re: 302
    
    	Well, for one thing....when I say IN YOUR FACE....I mean the
    ball....not, a fist!  When Cleveland fouled them, it wasn't a
    foul that could really hurt anyone....just a foul that stops the
    ball....hold onto the ball, not smack the guy in the face or hit
    him in the balls...!!!!!  Get the point???
    
    	As far as the bulls go.........I think I would rather see
    Phily play Detroit and see how they like to get hit!
    	I haven't seen too much Detroit play but from what I'm told...
    they play just like Phily.  Again, this type of play should not
    be aloud in the NBA!  There are alot of kids out there watching
    this game.
    	I do think that if Barkley got called with the T then maybe
    even ejected....the whole outcome of the game would be different!
    
    
    	Go TRIBE!
    

    See my p-name ... the outcome was preordained.
    
    Go Sixers !!!!!!

    
    Lets try not to judge all Cleveland Sports fans by the raving of one
    man!
    
    That said, the Cavs simply got beat saturday.  Another masterful
    coaching job by Lenny.  The inside game wasn't clicking, so what do
    they continue to do..  what else, try to go inside.  They never kicked
    the ball back outside for the jumper.  I just don't understand how 
    Lenny failed to adjust the game plan throughout the entire game.  
    
    Oh, well..  I can't see how Danny Ferry is going to be the answer, but 
    we'll have to wait and see.  Question, how is it that Brian Shaw has
    been signed by the Celts for next year, while Embry refuses to even start 
    talks with Ferry until their season ends?  In my opinion he better get 
    busy..  and loosen up the purse strings.  
    
    /Jeff 

    
    
    Jeff, he's really going to have to loosen the purse strings.  Williams
    is a restricted free agent... although he's contesting that he's
    unrestricted.

    
    Danny Ferry.....Danny is playing in the playoffs....Cleveland will
    talk with him after that.
    
    Judge all Cleveland fans by the raving of one?????   Good, Don't!
    I tell it like I see it!  Plain and simple!  You tell me, or anybody
    else.......Do you think the kind of play by Barkley should be aloud?
    There is a difference between physical play and just down right
    bad play!  I'm sorry, I didn't like seeing Price or Ehlo get hit
    like that!  It got me very upset!!!  If you think it is ok to play
    like that, then come here and let me hit you in the face and let
    me know how you feel afterward!  So, tell me Jeff, you think its
    ok?  No, I don't think so.  I never said that Cleveland should have
    won the game.  I did however say that I thought Ehlo played like
    crap.  You however think Lenny should be fired...I don't!  Cleveland
    just wasn't making their shots...they took plenty of shots from
    outside, but, none of them went in.  When the ball doesn't go in,
    you don't get points!  I do think that if Barkley was watched closer
    and the T's called, it may have brought back the spark!  They did
    come back to within 2 at one point in the game, but didn't respond
    when Phily made the shots.....main problem.....bad passing by Hot
    Rod....worse than that was the poor coverage by Ehlo.  I still say
    get read of him!
    
    
    	Go Tribe!
    
    		The Chief....
    
    

    
    
    whitehair :== poor man's ralph caso

    
    	OK, you tell me peter.........who is ralph???
    
    	Then you can tell me if you think is ok to do the things Barkley
    does???
    
    	

    	nonono Hal.  That last reply should read:  
    
    WHAT RALF?  BOY I MAD!
    
    TELL ME CAN YUO DO YUO THNIK BARLEY PLAYS FARE??? 

    whitehair:==Waah Waah Waah (no matter what the sport)
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    	Tell me Jake.......how do you play basketball???  I should say
    
    		B A S K E T B R A W L ! ! !
    
    	What is your oppinion?  Answer the question!  Don't come
    here and give me crap about it unless you can add something 
    intelligent to the conversation!  Which I already know...you can't!
    I've come to expect this kind of responce from you now...  
    
    	Jake=Squeelers=Dead Heads=Last place in the AFC Central!
    
    
    			:-)  .^/
    
    Hal

    
    Gee, Hal...
    
    The only one that I know of that got hurt during the series was Ron
    Anderson of the 76ers. He got elbowed in the head by Ehlo and needed
    six stiches.
    
    Barley's foul on Ehlo was probably excessive, but I don't think he was
    trying to hurt him. On the Price foul, little Markie was fouled by
    another Sixer first which pushed him into Sir Charles. Barkley was just
    trying to make sure that Price didn't get the shot off.
    
    If the way Barkley plays is a reflection on Philadelphia, I don't think
    that's so bad. Go 110% all the time. However, I think your raving might
    also be an indication of how things are in Cleveland. 
    
    Dennis
    

    
    	Hey Granpa....that line you just fed me is a bunch of crap!!!
    Both of the fouls by Barkley were intentional!  Plain and simple...
    He should have been ejected!!!  The slam to Mark Price was totally
    uncalled for......a forearm to the head.....not a push in the back,
    not a ball in the face but A FOREARM TO THE HEAD!!!  
    	The Ehlo/Anderson deal was nothing more than an accident!!!
    I'm sure...Ehlo went in for the drive...put the ball in his left
    hand and took his right elbo and deliberatly hit Anderson in the
    forehead...No, I don't think so!
    	Get a life Gramps!  and a new team!!!  If you think that this
    is the way the NBA should be represented then you are a far cry
    from a true sports fan!  Join the army will ya!
    
    	Hal

    
    Hal,
    
    I didn't see Sir Charles do anything to warrant a T.  The foul on Ehlo
    was a hard foul, but thats the story in the NBA this year big deal.  
    
    As Dennis said, Charles consistently gives 110% when he plays.  He's
    only 6' 6" but he consistenly beats up the competition on the boards. 
    It's called DESIRE (well, the wide body helps too).   This DESIRE is 
    something that was lacking on the Cavs during all 3 games in Philly.  
    They have noone to blame but themselves, period.  They came out flat,
    made mistakes, and got blown away.  End of story, end of season.  
    
    Now is the time to make changes.. I hope Embry gets busy.  
    
    /Jeff 

    Sorry Jeff,
    		Barkley is a slob!  He is cocky!  He is a jerk!  You
    don't play basketball like he does!  Your not taught to play 
    basketball like he does!  And...if you can say you see fouls like
    the one Ehlo got from him in all the games.....I also beg to differ
    with you.  In all the games I've watched this year I have never
    seen anything like it.  You don't run at the guy and hit him in
    the nuts while he trys to make a basket!  If this is what the NBA
    is turning to....then screw it!  You can consent to saying that
    Philly is the better team but, I WON'T!!!  How can a guy like
    Barkley be considered MVP???
    
    	What is the offical rule for physical contact/technicals/ejections?
    
    	Beleive me, I'd bet you'll see plenty of changes on the way
    the games are called in the rest of the playoffs along with next
    year.
    
    	Big deal you say......I bet if your kid was playing ball and
    got clobbered like that you'd have something to say about it!!!
    Thats bull crap!!!
    
    	Hal
    	

>    	What is the offical rule for physical contact/technicals/ejections?
 
    	It's completely subjective.  To be fair, it should be applied
    evenly to both teams and should not discriminate/exclude certain
    players.  
    
>    		Barkley is a slob!  He is cocky!  He is a jerk!  
    
    	And now for the 64 thousand dollar question.  Is Barkley more
    or less of a jerk than Jordan?  8^)
    
    sean

    >Judge all Cleveland fans by the raving of one?????   Good, Don't!
    >I tell it like I see it!  Plain and simple!  You tell me, or anybody
    >else.......Do you think the kind of play by Barkley should be aloud?
    
    If it makes you go up in flames and write ridiculous notes that make me
    laugh, well then Barkley's kind of play should be encouraged!
    
    Dan

           <<< OURGNG::SYS$SYSDEVICE:[NOTES$LIBRARY]SPORTS.NOTE;1 >>>
                 -< OURGNG::SPORTS - Digital's daily tabloid >-
    
    Well Hal, I just happened to have saved one of your previous frantic
    replies, and you sure were singing a different song then, than the sour 
    tune you're sportin' today!
    
    You're on your own on this one.
    
    					Steve
    
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Note 34.247                 CLEVELAND Cavaliers note                  247 of 317
ROULET::WHITEHAIR "Don't just sit there.......Do it" 53 lines   2-MAY-1990 06:05
                   -< Do you want to play a bloody game??? >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    	What a game!!!
    
    	Do ya wanta play physical ball???  Ok, take the TREE!!!
    
    Phili came out and tried to bully the Cavs, but, Cleveland
    takes none of it!  Turnning point in the game.....third quarter,
    Barkley goes in for a dunk, but, Ehlo shoves the ball right in his
    face...the crowd goes crazy!  The Cavs would not let anyone in the
    paint...if they went to the paint...they got smashed...on the ground.  
    
    Jim Chones said so!  After this,
    Barkley tries to bring the team back but everytime he gets the ball
    the Cavs were all over him, beating him up, physically taking him
    out of the game.  
    
    The fourth quarter was all 2nd string Cleveland.  Bring in
    the TREE and Dudley.  More physical activity.  They would not let
    anyone get the easy shot.  
    
    
    	     o
    	Go CAVS!
    
                                             

Re. .320  -- Great job!  I thought he had a different outlook about
physical play last week.

Hey Hal, maybe Barkely was being "a slob, cocky, and a jerk," because
of the previous games where the Cavs were "smashing him to the ground...
beating him up..." etc.

Laker_Ken

    Sean,
    
    	To now be honest with you Sean, Barkley is all the above here
    formentioned things.....Jordan, is a one man team!  He is good,
    and he plays a good clean game!  He fakes some but, if I was to
    vote for anyone for the MVP, it would be him.
    
    	Hal
    

    Whitehair is actually an evil twin of @^*!@#%-owski ...

    Steve,
    	There is a big difference in a physical game and a dirty game!
    The Cavs do not take cheap shots in the game.  They bring in the
    Tree to take care of the cheap shots by opponents.  Give him a 
    cheap shot and I'd bet he would get thrown out of the game for
    retaliation.  No big loss...but, in that game, he was very effective.
    Not letting the Cavs starters get smashed...
    
    	Hal
    

    Ken,
    	No, I don't think that was the reason at all.......
    
    	The way I saw it.....Barkley was getting beaten in every
    game!  He is really too short, and Hot Rod was having his way
    with him.  Barkley is good at getting the rebounds but, the
    way he gets them is very questionable to me too.  He runs then
    turns his back on you, and puts all his force into you forceing
    you out.  No fouls called.  Barkley was getting beat when he
    played defense, usually only on the first shot.  Don't think
    that gets to you after awhile?  It does....so, he retaliates.
    
    	Hal
    

    My appologies to you, /Jeff, for earlier lumping you into a vat of
    Cleveland fans.  After reading the last 15 or so replies, I'm convincd
    Hal is in a class by himself...that known as "none."
    
    Hal, take a valium and go watch an Indian's game.  On second thought,
    you probably don't need a valium if you're going to see the Tribe.
    
    	--dan'l

Hal and Ralph...  Didja ever notice that you never saw the two
of them together?  Hal can type though....Subject matter and 
fierce loyalty to team similar....

Is Hal a reincarnation if RCASO...next on "A Current Affair"


[many smilies]
'Saw

    Whitehair sweats like a horse !
    
    Helps if you understand, I hope ....
    
    Doc

>    	There is a big difference in a physical game and a dirty game!
 
hAL,  Hoot and I have for years tried too tell this guy's that there is
	a difference using the RAIDERS of course in the physical game!!1





mONtY
    

    Hal's definitions 
    
    Physical Play = Cavs
    Dirty Play    = Anyone playing physical against the Cavs
    
    Yo, Hal, If Barkley was beaten so badly by Hot Rod all series long, why
    did Charles outscore him and outrebound him? Is there another way of
    rating play that the rest of us don't know about?
    
    Dennis

    
    	Well, I said my peace!  Now, on to bigger and better things...
    
    	The word is that the Atlanta Hawks are trying to get Lenny as
    their new coach.......
    
    	This is true information.....
    

From: clarinews@clarinet.com
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Williams says his future uncertain
Date: 8 May 90 19:46:49 GMT
 
 
	AKRON, Ohio (UPI) -- Until the last two months of the season,
Cleveland forward John ``Hot Rod'' Williams never doubted that he would
re-sign with the Cavaliers.
	Now, however, the restricted free agent seriously questions whether
he'll ever play for the Cavaliers again. Williams, the team's best
forward who played in all 82 games this year, averaged 16.8 points, 8.1
rebounds and 2.04 blocks per game. He has asked the NBA to declare him
an unrestricted free agent, which would mean the Cavs would not have the
right to match any offer the four-year veteran from Tulane would
receive.
	He claims that since he was paid by Cleveland while sitting out the
1985-86 season while being cleared of wrongdoing in the Tulane
point-shaving scandal, he actually is a five-year veteran. A hearing
will be held June 10 to decide Williams' status.
	``I don't know where I'll be next year,'' Williams told the Akron
Beacon Journal. ``I thought I'd be signed by now. I remember when I
first walked into (the Cleveland lockerroom) I thought I'd spend my
whole career with the Cavaliers. But now, I can't be sure of anything.''
	Williams and agent Mark Bartelstein asked for a 5-year, $10.5
million contract in January, and the Cavs agreed to most of the terms in
March. But Williams and his agent had wanted to wrap up the deal before
the All-Star break in mid-February and decided to test the free agent
market.
	``My wife wants to stay here,'' Williams said. ``We have a nice
house and people have been great to us. But no matter if I'm restricted
or unrestricted, I'm in a once-in-a-lifetime bargaining position. If I
have to leave, I'll leave. You have to make money while you can because
no one is going to pay John Williams after he can't play ball any
more.''
	Williams knows he can top the Cavs' offer as a free agent, whether
restricted or unrestricted. Jon Koncak received $13.2 million for
signing a 6-year contract with Atlanta last year, and Sam Bowie signed
with New Jersey for $13.5 million over five years. Neither is close to
being the productive, dependable player Williams is.
	``The Cavs' offer was great,'' he said. ``Even after I started
playing pro ball, I never expected to make that kind of money. But I
look around at what Jon Koncak got to re-sign with Atlanta and Sam Bowie
got from New Jersey and I want to see what I'm worth.''
	In the playoffs, Williams averaged 19 points and 9.2 rebounds while
shooting 56 percent from the floor. As the Cavaliers sixth man,
Williams, 6-foot-11, can play all three front court positions.
	``Some people have said that my agent is telling me what to do and
that he controls me,'' Williams said. ``Well, he is there to talk
business for me, but no one makes a decision for John Williams but John
Williams. Mark was my agent even before the Cavs took me, so I have to
be loyal to him, too.
	``In the end, I'm making my own decision. If other teams want to
talk to me, I'll listen. If we can work out a deal with the Cavs, that
would be great. But I have no idea what will happen.''

Wouldn't Hot Rod look nice in the Celtics lineup... A young, strong,
athletic player.    Does anyone know what the Celtics would have to
do to free up enough of the salary cap?   Would dropping DJ, Paxson,
Bagley and trading McHale for draft picks do it?

    Ever since SI did an article on this kid after the Tulane thing I've
    been pulling for him.  Glad he's developed into a blue-chipper, a
    pretty good sign he's got his head on straight.  Go for the bucks, Hot
    Rod!
    
    The SI article really pointed out the hypocrisy of "amatuer" athletics
    and the near-impossible situation of a kid like Williams.  He was from
    intense poverty - basically had nothing growing up.  ("Nothing" might
    include things like dinner, for example.)  Luckily he could play hoops
    and got the opportunity to go to Tulane, where he helped bring in lots
    of bucks for the university, all the while he and his family remaining
    just as poor.  (Can you say "exploitation"?  I knew you could ...)
    
    Anyways I'm not sure he was ever implicated in the point-shaving thing,
    but it's not hard to imagine how some bookie could offer him more money 
    than he probably ever knew existed in return for missing a foul shot
    or 2.  
    
    Yet another example of why these kids should be paid over-the-table.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    
    Doug, I think dropping DJ and Paxton would do it. DJ made 1.3 mil
    this year and Paxton is suppose to make around 800K next year so
    there's almost enough money between those two. Bagley has a quaranteed
    500K coming next year no matter what. I don't know if you cut a player
    with a quaranteed contract whether his salary still counts against
    the cap or not. Perhaps someone else does? Also the cap goes up every
    year so there might be another million there to play with....
    
    mike

    
    	forget it Doug.....Hot Rod will remain a Cav for years and years
    to come!!!  Cleveland will not let him go!
    
    
    	Remember, you heard it here first!!!
    
    	Go cry in the 76er note...HeHeHeHe
    
    

    
    	Lenny Wilkins was not given permission to talk to the L.A. Clippers
    about the head coaching job...so, I figure that he also didn't get
    permission to talk with the Atlanta Hawks either...I don't really
    understand why he has to get permission to talk to anyone anyway....
    He must still have a year left on his contract or something and
    the Cavs don't really want to let him go.....
    
    	I say, give him one more year to get to the big game.
    
    
    	Hal
    

    
    Ferry signs.
    
    Estimated $2.5 million per year.
    
    What does this mean for Hot Rod Williams who was offered $8.0 million
    for 4 years and rejected it.  He claims he's an unrestricted free 
    agent, the Cavs and league believe he is a restricted free agent.  My
    guess is that he'll be offered a contract similar to Ferry's.
    
    'nuff said

    
    
    		CLEVE.....LAND
    
    			CLEVE.....LAND
    
    				CLEVE.....LAND!!!
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    Hot Rod wants to play in Phoenix!
    
    :-)

    
    	The Cavs' lawyers already have submitted briefs to the arbitrator
    who will decided whether or not Joh "Hot Rod" Williams becomes an
    unrestricted free agent.  The case will be heard June 11 and is,
    as one observer puts it, "the most important date on the Cavs' 1990-91
    schedule.  If Williams becomes "unrestricted"  they stand a strong
    chance of losing one of their hottest properties".
    
    ......................................................................
    
    	The coin flip has been made...The Cavs now will make the 52nd
    selection in the draft, moving one notch above Seattle.
    
    .....................................................................
    
    	Ron Harper, rehabilitating his surgically repaired knee, already
    is shooting baskets.....in the Cleveland Clinic pool.  It has a
    hoop at one end.
    
    
    
    Cleveland fans are still bitter about how the officiating in the
    playoffs were so leaniant toward the unsportsman like fouls Barkley
    layed out........including me!
    
             o
    	Go Cavs!

    
    Does anyone know when Ron Harper is going to sign with the Cavs?

    
    Cleveland wins its clam against Hot Rod...but...look for him to
    be traded!  The Cavs have already offered him some BIG bucks but
    he didn't accept.......
    

    
    USA today listed a possible deal between the Cavs and the Lakers...
    
    Scott and Green for Ehlo and Williams.
    
    I'd have to look at it a little closer to see if I think its a good
    move for the Cavs, but if it is on the table, I bet Embry will take
    it.  If LA is the team pushing the deal, Cleveland should hold out
    for more.
    

Do you have Ehlo's and Williams' stats from this past season?

Laker_Ken

    Williams for AC is ok with me, but Ehlo for Scott, that's the iffy
    one IMO.  Scott is quicker and plays better D, again IMO.  Isn't
    Ehlo getting on in years as well, b-ball speaking?  Sounds interesting
    but the jury's out on this one to me.
    
    Bret

    Bret,
    
    I don't think Ehlo is too old, but I feel Williams is a much better
    player than A.C.  He gives a solid 15 points off the bench, plus
    rebounding and defense.  If I was the Lakers, I'd do this in a minute.
    
    JD

    
Player               G  MIN   FG  FGA   FG%   FT  FTA   FT%  3FG 3FGA OREB TREB  AST STL  TO BLK  PF  PTS  AVG 
J. WILLIAMS         82 2776  528 1070  .493  325  440  .739    0    0  220  663  168  86 143 167 214 1381 16.8 
EHLO                81 2894  436  940  .464  126  185  .681  104  248  147  439  371 126 161  23 226 1102 13.6 

SCOTT               77 2593  472 1005  .470  160  209  .766   93  220   51  242  274  77 122  31 180 1197 15.5 
GREEN               82 2709  385  806  .478  278  370  .751   13   46  262  712   90  66 116  50 207 1061 12.9 
    

    
    re: .348
    
    I agree, Williams is much better than AC (IMO)... so are they
    getting enough extra back in Scott for Ehlo.  Ehlo doesn't
    look pretty, but he gets the job done...
    
    Of course, Cleveland is having trouble negotiating with Williams
    who is a restricted free agent, so they might be forced to make
    a deal...

Whatever their relative value, Scott is declining and Ehlo is coming into
his own. Wilkens gets credit for willingness to start Ehlo and sending
Harper on to San Diego. Scott was a major culprit in the Lakers fall from
grace this year.

TTom

>              <<< Note 34.347 by CSC32::B_GRAHAM "Just do it!" >>>
>    Williams for AC is ok with me, but Ehlo for Scott, that's the if
    
    Sure you like it, Hot Rod is a much better player than AC!
    
    Mike

    I guess the evidence is out.  The SPORTS rumor mill says that JD is a 
    closet Laker fan! ;-)

    MIke,
    
    I've always been a Knicks and Sixers fan, and it's been evident
    that I like the Lakers - esp. since it urinates so  many Celtic
    fans.....I've always been a big Magic fan, and felt that he was
    ripped off by the Larry is God media earlier in his career.....
    I've defended Worthy, and was a Kareem fan - so it's no surprise.
    However, I'll never root for the Lakers against the Knicks or the
    Sixers.  Of that I'm 100% sure.
    
    JD

How old is Ehlo?

>>How old is Ehlo?

He'll be 29 on August 11.

Re. previous few -- Thanks for the stats and the age.

This is a tough one to call.  Williams is certainly a better offensive
player than Green, and he also blocks a lot more shots than A.C.
On the other hand, Scott and Ehlo are the same age.  Scott had his
worst season, due to lingering effects of his hamstring injury, and
Ehlo had his best season, and Scott was still slightly better in the
scoring department.  I think the chances are pretty good that Scott
can come back to something approximating his pre-injury performance
next season, but I'm not so sure that Ehlo is ever going to get much
better than he is right now.  Yup, tough decision indeed.

Laker_Ken

>Whatever their relative value, Scott is declining and Ehlo is coming into
>his own.
    
    I don't concur with this.  One view is that Scott is declining. 
    Another is that he had an off year, and since he's in the 28-29 years
    old range, should have a number of good years left in him.  Ehlo's
    history is one of an overachiever.  His peak is considerably less than
    Scott's, and if as I suppose, Scott bounces back, Ehlo is the much
    more easily replacable commodity.
    
    Dan

    
    Ehlo may be an overachiever...  but he's overachieving to a level
    of play greater than that of Mark "overRATED stiff" Jackson.
    

    re .359
    
    What does that have to do with the Laker trade ?
    
    BTW, how many NBA titles have the Cavs won ?????

    
    re: .360
    
    Hey pal, maybe you better spend little more time trying to get that
    feeble NNRB team of yours, the New Jack Swingers, out of the cellar
    and less time harassing people in the Sports notesfile.  You know
    the team I'm talking about... don't you...?
    
    From Week 17 Stats freeze...
    
    Fire Injuns (ENTIRE TOTAL)       :		127.0 pts
    Fire Injuns (BATTING ONLY)       :           62.0 pts
    Fire Injuns (PITCHING ONLY)      :           65.0 pts
    New Jack Swingers (ENTIRE TOTAL) :		 41.5 pts
    
    You remember the league, don't ya?  Its the league you wanted me to
    join so you could prove that you could stomp me in rotis baseball...

    ... You still haven't answered my question .... but what's new

    
    	Well, contrary to everyones remarks...the Cavs will NOT let
    Hot Rod go!  They will match anyones offer this year!  Get it from
    the source, will ya!
    	The Tree was let go though.......
    	About Ehlo, let me get his hat.  I'd really like to see him
    out of a Cleveland uniform!
    
             o
    	Go Cavs!

    
    	The word is that the Cavs want to give both Daughtery and
    Price a raise before giving Hot Rod his new contract.  
             o
    	Go Cavs!

    The future-4th-place Cavs had better spend the money on getting Harper 
    back ..... 
    
    

    
    Harper... yeah, I remember him... he's the guy who showed up at the
    Cavs playoffs in the stands... the guy who'll be watching the NBA
    from home until atleast 1991....  That guy?  The guy who will resign
    with the Cavs for the 1991-92 season?  Ron Harper, that guy?
    

    Yeah, the one who you traded away, who has avg around 24ppg for the
    Clips until he blew out his knee. And he is due back by Nov. 90.
    
    Harper the guy who can create his own shot and make big plays on both
    ends.
    
    Ron Harper, the one you Cadaver fans tried to replace with Craig Ehlo.
    
    I guess Danny (The Tooth) Fairy is moving to the point right ???
    
    hahahahahahaaaaaaa !!!!!

    
    Cavs DON'T sip!   Go Cavs, what a team... Rah, rah, rah!
    
    

    Cavs sip ! When does bowling and shuffleboard start !

    
    Cavs extend the contract of Kerr!  

    >>>Cavs extend the contract of Kerr!  

	Actually, no they didn't. They matched the offer sheet the Timberwolves
had made to Kerr. He was a restricted free agent.

	Cavs inhale descreetly, when does tiddley winks season start???

JimH :-)

    
    
    re: last couple...
    
    Oh sure, I start up the "Has <blank> ever won a <blank> championship"
    messages and get harassed...
    
    Now I start up the "<blank> sip.  When does <blank> season start?"
    and everyone jumps on the bandwagon... wat gives wif you guys?
    

    
    
    Good news for displaced CAVS fans.. the Cavs have moved their radio 
    home back to 50KW Superstation WWWE..  
    
    /Jeff

    Danny Manning is 6 for 20 from the floor in his first three games with
    Cleveland.  
    

    Danny Manning plays for the Clippers, Daniel.
    
    Didn't you mean Danny Ferry ???
    
    Bob Hunt

    Yep, that was a typing error on me.  It's Ferry who sucks.  :-)
    
    Hey, it was a rough night for me and I'm in mourning, Bob.  Cut me some
    slack.
    
    	--dan'l

Don't worry, Dan'l. Manning sucks, too.

TTom

    While were on the subject of sucky players, I watched a good part of
    Cleveland's opener against the Celtics on friday night, and another
    player that belongs on the suck list is that $20mil John "Hot Rod"
    Williams (I hope I have the name right!).  If this guy isn't the most
    overpaid sucky player in NBA history, I don't know who is......
    
    Hawk

    
    
    You can thank the Miami heat for John Williams' $20million salary.
    
    Dan'l, another typing error... Manning sucks... (ooppss, I meant
    Ferry), Matthews played on monday night (ooppss, I meant Banks).
    I guess you're really in touch with hoop and football these days.
    Have a clue, huh!

    re. Williams'salary:  no one said the Cavs had to match the offer
    from the Heat.  IMO, it was a good gamble for the Heat.  They were 
    well under the salary cap, and could afford to gamble.  Cleveland
    has made a series of mangement mistakes lately - what are they
    trying to do, emulate Ted Stepien?
    
    NAZZ

    
    I don't think signing Williams was a bad move.  They could not afford
    to lose him for nothing.  They tried to sign him to a reasonable
    contract late in the season last year, but Williams wanted to hold
    out and see what he could get in the market.  I think the expansion
    teams are really going to destroy the salaries... 
    
    Williams is not a stiff.   He put up decent numbers last year...
    
    Player               G  MIN   FG  FGA   FG%   FT  FTA   FT%  3FG 3FGA
    J. WILLIAMS         82 2776  528 1070  .493  325  440  .739    0    0
    
			 OREB TREB  AST STL  TO BLK  PF  PTS  AVG
                          220  663  168  86 143 167 214 1381 16.8
    
    16.8 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 2.04 bpg are solid numbers... not worth what
    he is being paid, but not bad enough to let go for nothing...

>    Dan'l, another typing error... Manning sucks... (ooppss, I meant
>    Ferry), Matthews played on monday night (ooppss, I meant Banks).
>    I guess you're really in touch with hoop and football these days.
>    Have a clue, huh!
    
    Hey Gronoski...ooops.  Another typo.  I meant, "Hey asshole..."
    
    Amazing how all my mistakes are about the big one on the lake.  Still a
    little singed behind the ears there, buddy?  Have fun talking about the
    Browns' last five seasons for the next 20 years.
    
    (All in fun.  Later, dude.)
    
    	--dan'l

    From the NATIONAL
    
    Craig Ehlo things moving to the bench could change his family life.
    "There were times [last season] when I was really exhasted... It could
    mean a lot bigger family."

    
    After a slow start (0-2), the Cavs have improved to 5-3.  That's
    not bad considering they've already played 5 road games...
    
    5-3 overall  (3-0 H, 2-3 R)
    
    The beat Indiana at home last night and Atlanta in Atlanta on
    Tuesday.  Its nice to beat other division foes.
    
    

    
    Cavs dump Bucks at Richfield 99-97 to move to 6-3 (4-0 H, 2-3 R).
    At the current home and road pace, the Cavs would finish 57-25.
    
    I don't expect that, but I do expect 50 wins minimum... anything
    else is gravy.

    
    Cavs lose to Charlotte in Charlotte 118-100(?).  They trailed at one
    point 64-38... ouch... that loss drops the Cavs to 6-4 (4-0 H, 2-4 R).
    
    Unfortunately for the Cavs, they might have the toughest schedule in
    the NBA this year... they have more back-to-back games than any team
    in the league.

    
>    Unfortunately for the Cavs, they might have the toughest schedule in
>    the NBA this year...
    
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Talk about soem SERIOUS C.Y.A. !!!!!!
    
    Let the excuse making begin !!!!!

    
    Mark Price injured his knee and may be out for the season... if
    so, goodbye playoffs... goodbye 50 wins...  goodbye 1990-91 season.
    Mark Price is the CAVS!   They cannot win without him.
    
    First game without him they got destroyed by Chicago? and scored
    less than 100 points...
    
    ARGH!
    
    First Williams, now Price... last year the whole team was injured!
    

I was going to say that at least they'll get a high draft pick,
but if I'm not mistaken, the Cavs have foolishly given away
their pick for next year.  Ah well, I guess Danny Ferry was 
worth it, right?

Laker_Ken

    AND... they can't really get a decent replacement because of the
    salary cap due to Hot Rod's contract...

    Re: jinx
    
    first thing that came to my mind too!  Must be the Clipper connection.

     re: .391
      
     The Cavs have their 1st round pick next season...
    
     BTW, how are the Lakers doing... HA HA HA!  Maybe you better start
     rooting for your hometown team again...

The Lakers are doing just fine (8-5) after a slow start.  They've
won 6 in a row, and Saturday night they schooled Cleveland-West
in Phoenix by 10.  The west will be a dogfight all season, and
I expect the Lakers to be in the middle of it.

Laker_Ken

    
    re: -1
    
    What place are the Lakers in RIGHT now?
    

    If Phoenix is Cleveland-West, then LA is Baghdad-East!
    
    Mike

    
    So what exactly was Price's injury.  All I heard was that he suffered a 
    bruised knee..  I assume it's serious enough to require surgery, hence
    the pesimistic prognosis.  
    
    /Jeff

    Suspected torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee.
    
    The Wizard

 Yesterday's paper said that suspect a torn anterior cruciate ligment in the
 left knee.

 Which is the same injury that sideline Bernard King for two years, Danny
 Manning, Ron Harper, Krysthkowiak and Johnny Dawkins..

 mike

    
    Ferry has more points, rebounds and assists than Ron Harper this season
    for all you Ferry bashers...

    
    Harper has been pretty much of a no-show this year...!
    
    

    It's pretty tough to score from IR.

    I had read that Price's injury was caused when he ran into the scorers
    table and hit the stupid rolling sign that some NBA clubs have
    installed to run constant advertising. I also read that Price and the
    Cavs are considering legal action. Good for them.
    
    Dennis
    

       Have the Cadavs ever won ANYTHING?!!
                                           Denny

    
    re: .405
    
    That's exactly what happened.  He was running along the baseline 
    trying to save a ball that was going out of bounds and ran into
    the scorers table.  To have anything that is unnecessary planted
    solidly in the ground, that close to the playing court is stupid.
    Chicago is looking at having their signs redesigned.  I guess they
    don't want Jordan to have the same type of injury.  The sad part
    about it is that Price plays 100% all of the time... if he was
    less agressive, more passive, like alot of the players making the
    big bucks, the injury would have never occurred.
    
    The Cavs resigned Darnell Valentine, who they'd released last
    year to replace Price.  Without Price, the Cavs will be lucky
    to win 40 games...  (revised from my 50+ win predicition).
    OUCH!
    

The hapless Cavs (sans Price and Hot Rod) pummelled the overrated
Lakers last night 84-74.  The MIGHTY Lakers managed 29 2nd half
points.  Cleveland made its move when it was trailing 57-51 in the
3rd period outscoring the 2nd best team in LA by a 33-17 margin the
rest of the way.  

The Lakers better trade Magic and Worthy (the only two good players
they've got) for draft picks and start rebuilding... this team is
going nowhere without a major overhaul.  

I'm sure glad the Cavs didn't make the Williams + Ehlo for Scott +
Green deal that was making its rounds through the media in the 
fall.  Green and Scott are washed up stiffs.
    

    So, it seems like your two favorite teams are gunning for the #1 pick
    in the draft eh ? Too bad the Browns even screwed that up !
    
    HAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!

    
    DrLamoid... i'll bet you got a real busy schedule tonight huh...? 
    Probably won't be able to make the DEC game... I can understand though,
    it probably takes you hours to remove the splinters...

    Like I said .... when will you be able to stick to the subject ?
    
    Speaking of DEC hoops, when are you going to stop laying down against A
    division teams ?

    re: .408
    
    	Sounds like you're grateful that the LAKERS provided you with 
    the Cadavers(tm) one and only highlight from this year, right?!?
    
    
    						 glen j.

    Sounds like it to me Glen ! 
    
    The Cadavers are starting that looonng and well deserved plunge into
    mediocrity ....heh heh heh

    re: .412
    
    
    No, just commenting on the sad state of the Lakers... maybe you have an
    excuse to be a fan, but Doc will be off the bandwagon when they hit
    bottom.  He doesn't ever have much to say about his home team (the 
    warriors), he's too busy doing PR for the Rockets, Lakers, Bulls, 
    Sixers, etc,...
    
    The Lakers might as well pack it in right now... they're aging and
    they won't get much better with all of those great draft picks they've
    made in the last couple of years.  Trade Magic and Worthy and maybe
    you'll get a early 2nd round pick...
    

    Or maybe the Lakers will trade Scott or Eldon Campbell to the Cads for
    a 1st round pick, which they'll turn into Mutumbo, Morning, or Kenny
    Anderson .... kinda like that deal where you guys ripped off that
    all-world forward named Don Ford right ? 
    
    What was the name of the stiff that we got anyway ? James Worthy ????
    
    heh heh heh ....

    
    We?????????
    
    
    
    
    Steve

    re .416
    Must be Asthma...

    What's the story on Hot Rod??? WHen is he due back?
    
    REK