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    re T. 
    
    I get the P_NAME, all dead guys.
    

    Just heard that IU forward Lawrence Funderburke hasn't been seen since
    Thursday's practice.
    
    What gives, Big Ten people?
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    The rumor is that he was thrown out of practice Thrusday and then
    quit the team.
    
    Good riddance, Lawrence.  He'll probably shuffle off to St. Johns 
    or Syracuse.

    Gophs picked up a tough win at K-State over the weekend.  What made
    it more impressive was that Coffey only saw limited action.  Up
    next is Washington on ESPN Wednesday night.
    
    
    Spud

    Funderbunke went home apparently and also was quoted recently that he
    needs no discipline and all that talk before was just to get the media
    off his case.  A loss (or is it a gain by ridding of a distraction?)
    for IU.
    
    Charles

Thanks Ross.  Normally I'd be quick to condemn Bob for this one, but given
my objective hoops nature and the history of young Mr.Funderburke I'm
not sure we can finger Bob....  THIS TIME.

Sad.  A very talented young man who can't seem to get his act together.


- ACC Chris
    

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (12-18-89) (college)
Summary: All winners again...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Friday's Result:
 
	#68 WISCONSIN 68, (un) ROLLINS COLLEGE 46 (at Madison):  In their
	second game against a Division II opponent, the Badgers clampped the
	D on the Tars from Winter Park, Florida.  Guard Tim Locum had
	25 for Wisconsin, hitting 7 of 9 "trifecters" along the way.
	The Badgers (8-2) used a 17-0 second half run to take a commanding
	56-27 lead with 9:44 left.  Rollins is 4-2.  Next:  December 28-29
	at the Tribune Classic in Phoenix (vs. #43 Georgia.  Also, #253
	Manhattan vs. #110 Arizona State (host)).
 
Saturday's Results:
 
	#6 ILLINOIS 78, #33 TEMPLE 61 (at Champaign):  After a competitive
	first half which saw Illinois in the lead 39-38, the Illini (6-0) 
	turned the D up a notch and stiffled the Owls of John Chaney.  Marcus
	Liberty had an outstanding game, scoring 20 and pulling off 9
	carroms.  Most of his points were of the spectacular variety.
	The Owls (3-3) shot just 37.3 percent, and made only 2 of 18 FG 
	attempts in the first 11 minutes of the 2nd half during a 19-4 Illinois
	run.  The Owls once led 19-8, but were behind 32-24 before rallying
	just before the half.  Kendall Gill was just 4-13 from the field,
	but managed to score 17 anyway.  Dick Vitale called Gill and Steve
	Bardo "the best backcourt in the nation!".  Any Owl fans think that
	Dick was a bit over-exhuberent in his descriptions of Illinois' play?
	John Chaney said, "I would have to say Illinois is just as good as
	Syracuse (whom Temple lost to 73-56) or any other team I've seen".
	The Illini outrebounded the 7'0", 7'0", 6'9" Owl front line 49-29.
	Illinois is 61-2 this decade at Assembly Hall in non-conference
	games (lost to Kentucky on a memorable, -25 degree Christmas Eve
	in 1983 by two, and to North Carolina when Reid was a soph).  Not bad!
	[Shameless plug:  Gene Keady won 4 and Purdue 5 in all at Champaign in 
	the 1980's...]  Next:  Wednesday vs. #13 Missouri at St. Louis in the 
	"Braggin' Rights Shootout" (the Illini have won the last six in this 
	annual series, much to Norm Stewart's chagrin).
 
	#21 INDIANA 69, #50 UTEP 66 (at El Paso):  The Hoosiers held off
	the Miners despite the distraction of Lawrence Funderburke's 
	departure from the team.  Bob Knight said, "Apparently he left
	Thursday sometime after practice.  He confuses me with some of
	the things he does."  Matt Nover (a redshirt frosh):  "He got
	kicked out of practice, and later the coaches went to look for
	him and he was gone.  He cleaned out his locker."  Knight again:
	"If he has problems, they're his problems.  I'm willing to sit
	down and talk with him, but we've got too many guys here to
	worry about."  Isn't that the truth! ;-).  Funderburke, a 6'8" 
	frosh from Columbus, Ohio, was averaging 11.7 points and 6.7 boards.  
	He missed his entire senior scholastic campaign due to disciplinary
	problems.  He also was the crux of a minor investigation involving
	Knight's assistants during the offseason, over an illegal contact.
	IU was down 34-33 at the break, but quickly led 46-35 in the
	second stanza, and later 55-40 before Don Haskins' Miners (4-3) came
	back.  UTEP tied it at 63, but the Hoosier got the lead back and
	won.  Mark McCall missed a trey with 5 seconds left.  Calbert
	Cheaney again led the Hoosiers (7-0) with 22.  Next:  Saturday vs. 
	#60 Iowa State.
 
	#10 MICHIGAN 82, #103 MARQUETTE 73 (at Milwaukee):  In a game
	closer down the stretch than the final score would indicate, the 
	Wolverines escaped the Bradley Center with a hard-earned victory over
	the improving Warriors.  Terry Mills scored a career-high 31,
	and had 4 during an important stretch late which helped stop
	a Warrior run which cut a 15 point deficit (68-53) down to just 3
	(74-71) with 46 seconds left.  The Wolverines won the board
	battle 40-28.  MU coach Kevin O'Neal said, "They played like NCAA
	champs down the stretch.  They made the big foul shots and they
	got a big play from Mills on a tip.  He hurt us all night.  He took
	it to us.  He was the difference in the game.  He had 31 points.
	Holy Cow!".  Next:  Saturday vs. #26 Seton Hall in Las Vegas.      
 
	#28 MICHIGAN STATE 94, #134 DETROIT 65 (at East Lansing):  The
	Spartans (7-1) had an easy time with the cross-state Titans.  Frosh
	Dwayne Stephens scored 18, Ken Redfield had 15, and Steve Smith
	and Kirk Manns each had 14 in a balanced attack.  The Spartans led
	47-35 at the half, and had an incredible 62-23 rebound advantage!
	Has to be an AP typo (two different papers had it, though).  Next: 
	Tonight vs. #48 Bowling Green.
 
	#32 MINNESOTA 69, #62 KANSAS STATE 68 (at Manhattan):  In a wild
	one, the Gophers came back from a large second half deficit to
	beat the Wildcats in tough Manhattan.  KSU outscored the Gophers
	15-7 at the start of the second half to take a 46-34 lead, but
	the Gophers rallied to go ahead 56-54 with 7:22 left.  The Gophers
	led the rest of the way, but the Cats cut it to 66-64 with 55
	seconds left.  K-State newcomer Gene Derouillere hit a basket at
	the 13 second mark to cut Minnesota's lead to 69-66, but missed
	a trey late after a Gopher turnover.  The Wildcat's Tony Massop
	grabbed the rebound and scored from 5 feet out as the horn 
	sounded.  The Gophers are now 5-1, while K-State falls to 5-4.
	Melvin Newbern led Minnesota with 20.  Next:  Wednesday vs. #156 
	Washington (ESPN).
 
Tonight:
 
	#243 Drexel at #15 Iowa
	#48 Bowling Green State at #28 Michigan State
	(un) Northeastern Illinois at #56 Northwestern
	#135 Robert Morris (PA) at #82 Ohio State
	#22 Purdue at #96 Wichita State
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Schedule for Purdue University Men's Basketball 1989-90

Nov. 11		Polish National Team  (Exhibition)        ** W
Nov. 21		Lafayette Hustlers (AAU)  (Exhibition)    ** W

Nov. 24		Ball State  [ESPN]                        ** W
Nov. 30		at Utah                                   ** W
Dec.  2		at Long Beach State                       ** L
Dec.  7		at Illinois State                         ** W
Dec.  9		St. Louis                                 ** W  (so far 4-1)
Dec. 18		at Wichita State
Dec. 20		California
Dec. 28 - 30	Fiesta Bowl Classic, vs. Wake Forest
		vs. Arizona or Penn State
Jan.  3		Eastern Illinois

Jan.  6		Northwestern
Jan. 11		Minnesota
Jan. 13		at Indiana
Jan. 17		at Wisconsin
Jan. 20		Illinois
Jan. 25		at Ohio State
Jan. 27		Iowa
Jan. 31		Michigan
Feb.  3		Michigan State
Feb.  5		at Northwestern  [ESPN]
Feb. 11		at Minnesota
Feb. 17		Wisconsin
Feb. 19		Indiana  [ESPN]
Feb. 21		at Illinois
Feb. 24		Ohio State
Feb. 28		at Iowa
Mar.  4		Michigan  [ABC]
Mar. 11		at Michigan State


All the non-nationally televised games, including the exhibition games, will 
be broadcast on the Big Ten Raycom Network in Indiana, while 7 of the non-
national conference games will be broadcast in the Midwest on the Big Ten 
Raycom Weekend Package.

Go Boilers!

The god's may not be smiling on Carolina basketball this year (so far)
but boy did I just get an early Christmas present.  This is almost too
good to be true, but before I spill the beans, a little background.

Last year during the baseball season a certain Mr. Glenn Davis of the
Houston Astros requested that his name not be used for a beer promo
whenever he hit a home run.  It seems the Astros (like many teams) 
dedicated a brew to a guy when he hit a homer.  (i.e. "Glenn Davis, THIS
BUD'S FOR YOU!", or something to that effect.)  I'm not sure why Davis
did this, whether it was religious or whatever.  In any case many people
applauded the move - most in fact.  

However, one certain individual in this NOTES conference who claims close
allegance with a certain Robert Montgomery Knight objected, claiming Davis
was a two-faced hypocrite, etc. because beer helps support baseball and
therefore his salary.

Now for my early Christmas present.  I wasn't planning on reading the 
paper at lunch today but a little voice inside of me said "ACC, you 
deserve a break so head down to the cafe and read USA Today".  I usually
try and heed that little voice and boy did it pay off dividends.  On 
page 13C of today's (December 13, 1989) edition, right after the tidbit
on how Illinois may be faced with the death penalty cause they gave a 
car to top-notch stud Deon Thomas:

"INDIANA BASKETBALL COACH BOB KNIGHT THREATENED TO STOP DOING HIS RADIO
 SHOW BECAUSE IT CONTAINED A BEER COMMERICAL.  KNIGHT HAS BEEN ASSURED
 THE ALCOHOL ADS WILL NOT RUN DURING HIS SHOW AGAIN.  HOWEVER, THEY WILL
 AIR DURING BROADCASTS OF IU BASKETBALL GAMES."

No folks, I'm not making this up.  I don't have a good enough imagination
to come up with something so ironically delicious as this.


HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111


- ACC Chris
    
    

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (12-19 and 12-20-89) (college)
Summary: One little surprise...
Keywords: Big Ten (or + !), college
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Sorry this is a day late, but I was home with a fever yesterday, and 
couldn't sit up long enough to type this in.  I'm going to add the
Nittany Lions to this, just so we can follow our new brother/sister...
The new ratings are used in today's report....
 
Monday's Results:
 
	#22 IOWA 59, #192 DREXEL 50 (at Iowa City):  After it's great
	performance against North Carolina, Iowa had a bit of a letdown
	against Drexel.  The Hawkeyes trailed 32-26 at the half, but
	used a 13-5 run to pull ahead to stay 39-37.  James Moses led
	the Hawkeyes (7-0) with 17.  Only 27 fouls were whistled in this one.
	Next:  Saturday at #5 UNLV (ABC).
 
	#17 BOWLING GREEN STATE 81, #48 MICHIGAN STATE 79 (at East Lansing):
	In a big upset, the Falcons handed the Spartans their first loss
	in the new Jack Breslin Center.  Or, was it an upset?  After a
	37-37 halftime tie, the second half was closely contested.  Clinton
	Venable hit a decisive 3-pointer with 14 seconds left, after Jeff
	Casler missed the front end of a bonus with 31 seconds left and
	MSU clinging to a 79-78 lead.  Steve Smith had 22 and Kirk Manns
	20 for the Spartans (7-2).  Next:  Tonight at #72 Evansville.
 
	#34 NORTHWESTERN 103, (un) NORTHEASTERN ILLINOIS 63 (at Evanston):
	In another game involving a Division II school, the Wildcats (5-1)
	easily handled the Golden Eagles of Chicago (Oklahoma beat them
	earlier 146-51).  Walker Lambiotte had 20 for NU, playing only
	20 minutes.  Next:  Thursday at #77 BYU.
 
	#90 OHIO STATE 78, #145 ROBERT MORRIS 51 (at Columbus):
	The Buckeyes whipped Robert Morris at home to record their third
	victory of the season.  Mark Baker had a career high 17 points,
	as the Buckeyes (3-3) used a late first half burst to pull away to 
	a 39-23 lead and never looked back.  Perry Carter added 14.
	Next:  Thursday vs. #166 South Carolina.
 
	#19 PURDUE 62, #140 WICHITA STATE 54 (at Wichita):  The Boilermakers
	(5-1) registered their 3rd road victory in 4 tries this season with a
	hard-earned win at Levitt Arena.  Purdue led most of the game, but
	it's biggest lead was only 61-50 in the final minute.  Purdue led
	28-22 at the break and 30-22 early in the 2nd half before the
	game tightened.  Purdue's stout defense held the Shockers to just
	5 points in the final 5 minutes of the game.  Tony Jones led Purdue
	with 13 and Ryan Berning had 12.  Jimmy Oliver and Chuckie White
	had good games, too.  Next:  Tonight vs. #79 California.
 
Tuesday's Results:
 
	No games
 
Tonight:
 
	#7 Illinois vs. #10 Missouri at St. Louis (WGN)
	#48 Michigan State at #72 Evansville (beware, Spartans!)
	#195 Washington at #14 Minnesota (ESPN)
	#79 California at #19 Purdue (I will be there!)
 
Thursday:
 
	#34 Northwestern at #77 BYU
	#166 South Carolina at #90 Ohio State
	#69 Penn State at the UAB Invitational in Birmingham (vs. #60
	UAB.  Also, #168 San Diego State vs. #228 Southwest Texas State).
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Any update on Funderburk? He walked out on Bobby Knight and the Hoosiers
and it's uncertain if he intends to return or not. Earlier there was
speculation as to how long he would last with Knight. Three weeks was the
answer, apparently.

TTom

	According to today's Dayton (OH) Daily News, a Columbus paper 
	is carrying a report that Funderburke has contacted IU Athletic 
	Director Ralph Floyd and asked to be released from his scholarship.  
	According to this story, Floyd/IU refused, which I believe would 
	mean that he wouldn't be eligible to play at another Division I 
	school until the '91-'92 season.  The Columbus paper apparently 
	didn't say where they got this information, and I haven't heard that
	it's been confirmed by anyone.  

	Funderburke apparently has not talked to anyone connected with the
	basketball team since leaving last Thursday.  It's been reported
	that he contacted Missouri about transferring there, and he attended
	a high-school basketball game on Monday with the father of Travis
	Ford, a freshman guard for Missouri.

tom

    
    The rumor I heard was that he might transfer to Missouri.
    
    I caught part of the Illinois-Missouri game last night. Considering how
    early in the season it is, the Illini were VERY impressive in handing a
    very talented Missouri team a 101-93 loss.
    
                                                   HOOT

    Another brilliant stroke by Lawrence - transfer to a school that's just
    about ready to go on probation.  Sheesh.
    
    The word I heard was that Norm Stewart and staff were trying to
    persuade Funderburke to stay at IU.  Norm & Bobby are buddies I
    suspect.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    
    

	Chris,

	That's what the Missouri coaching staff said.  I don't know 
	if Norm and Bobby are buddies, but given Funderburke's track 
	record, I'd be hesitant to want him transferring to my school.  
	The word out of Indiana is that people didn't suspect that there 
	was anything wrong.  If the kid's that hard to read, most coaches 
	of good teams will probably take a long look at whether he'd be	a 
	boost or a disruption to their program.

tom

    re: .-1
    
    Agreed, which is exactly why I was glad he didn't go to Chapel Hill. 
    We were involved with him for awhile but (thankfully) backed out after
    his High School troubles materialized.
    
    On the other hand he's an exceptional talent and lots of schools would
    kill for a player of his caliber.  Based on his stats I'd say IU will
    miss him.  Seems he was averaging around 11 ppg and 6 rpg.  Not bad for
    a frosh.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    Better send your emulation buddy in here Shaughnessy, cause this Bob
    Knight/Glenn Davis T-hypocrisy thing is gonna require more than a 1-liner.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

re: .20

What talent?

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (12-21-89) (NCAA)
Summary: Stewart tastes bitter defeat again...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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"Lou, you can do, baby!", as someone with a rather large mouth would have
said after the Illini's 101-93 whipping of previously-unbeaten, and now
totally discouraged Mizzou.....
 
Wednesday's Results:
 
	#7 ILLINOIS 101, #10 MISSOURI 93 (at St. Louis):  It's the same
	old story again, folks.  Lou Henson whips Norm Stewart.  Marcus
	Liberty and Kendall Gill each had 27 as the Illini won their
	7th straight in this bitter series.  Ervin Small was an animal,
	as he had 6 steals, a bunch of boards, and 13 points.  This game
	had been sold out for over a month, and tickets were reportedly
	going for $150 outside The Arena last night.  For the first time
	in many years, Mizzou had the advantage in fan support.  Leading
	45-40 at the break, the Illini (7-0) saw Mizzou drop a trey to
	cut the lead to two, but the Illini ran off the next 8 straight
	and were never in danger of losing.  A tournament atmosphere game.
	Guess there is life after Battle and Anderson?  Can you imagine
	if Nick hadn't turned pro early....  Next:  Saturday vs #57 
	Wisconsin-Green Bay.
 
	#48 MICHIGAN STATE 80, #72 EVANSVILLE 66 (at Evansville):
	The Spartans rebounded from their loss to Bowling Green with
	a big win down at tough Evansville.  Ken Redfield had 20 as
	the Spartans improved their record to 8-2.  Kirk Manns and Todd
	Wolfe each added 15.  MSU trailed 20-16, but reeled off 7 straight
	and never looked back.  Next:  Saturday vs. #106 Eastern Michigan.
 
	#14 MINNESOTA 77, #195 WASHINGTON 60 (at Minneapolis):  The
	Gophers pulled away from the Huskies in the second half in frigid 
	Minneapolis.  They made 14 steals and forced 11 second half
	turnovers.  Minnesota (6-1) got 23 from Melvin Newbern, and used
	a 16-4 second half run to pull away.  Next:  Saturday vs. #105
	Northern Illinois.
 
	#19 PURDUE 60, #79 CALIFORNIA 55 (at West Lafayette):  I was at
	this one, so this report will be a little longer.  Because of some 
	bad road conditions, we missed the first 3.5 minutes of the game.
	But, no big deal!  The game was still scoreless!   Purdue generally
	dominated the first half, though, once the ice was broken, and
	led 30-22 at the half, although it could have been larger.  Neither
	team shot well, with %s around 47 for each.  Keith Smith, the
	Bears excellent guard, was held scoreless in the first half by
	Tony Jones, while Jones was getting 8 himself to lead Purdue.  The
	second half was much closer, as Purdue went cold from the field
	and Cal turned it up.  Smith was deadly in the second half from the
	field and with his ballhandling skills.  The Bears led twice, 49-47
	and 51-49, before Purdue took the lead for good with two Steve
	Scheffler FTs, 53-51, with 6:16 left.  When California had a chance
	to regain the lead a bit later, Tony Jones stole a pass and went 
	down to jam it, giving the Boilers a 56-53 lead with 3:39 left.  With
	just a 56-55 lead and under the two minute mark, Jimmy Oliver hit
	the biggest shot of the night, a 15 footer which ended up icing the
	game.  Purdue's tight defense held the Bears scoreless in the final
	3:15 of the game.  Steve Scheffler and Jones each had 13, while
	Woody Austin had 10.  Purdue only ended up shooting 22-50, while
	Cal broke the 50% barrier with 24-46.  I overheard the Cal radio
	announcer comment after the game to some guy with a blue Cal-Berkeley
	sweatshirt on, "Big Ten refs"!  Purdue will get a taste of Pac-10
	refs at Arizona next week, perhaps... ;-)  The Boilermakers missed
	three straight bonus opportunities down the stretch which would
	have made me much less nervous.....  Next:  December 28-29 
	at the Fiesta Bowl Classic in Tucson, vs. #47 Wake Forest.  Also,
	#54 Arizona vs. #69 Penn State.
 
Tonight:
 
	#34 Northwestern at #77 BYU
	#166 South Carolina at #90 Ohio State
	#69 Penn State vs. #60 UAB at Birmingham
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Reminds me a little of The Golden Child with Eddie Murphy talking to the
snake lady...

King Rice is no Jeff Lebo. Madden and Fox have some talent but are ridden
heavily by Dean. Scott Williams has peaked as is going down hill, a
tradition at Chapel Hill. The only real talent they have is George Lynch,
who will go hardship as soon as he figures out the Dean system, and Kenny
Harris, who has the best shot by far on the team, but Dean doesn't play
him.

TTom

    I didn't catch the game, but I heard SHU looked good against Michigan.
    
    Any comments?
    
    JoJ

    DeHere had real trouble in the 2nd half, but Taylor played well,
    and one of the big guys (Volczy?) had 25 points and 12 rebounds.
    
    PJ will have them in the middle of the Big East this year.
    
    Redmen Phil
                                                         

Wow!  A plethora of T!

    He must have weakened!
    

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From: peppler@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (12-22-89)
Summary: Last report till next Thursday...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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I will be back on the 28th, so I will just compile scores for games between
now and then...
 
Thursday's Results:
 
	#77 BYU 69, #34 NORTHWESTERN 68 (at Provo)   Next: Dec. 29-30 at 
	the Music City Invitational in Nashville (no pairings given, but 
	other teams are #76 Vanderbilt (host), #254 William and Mary, (un) 
	Alaska-Anchorage).
 
	#90 OHIO STATE 59, #166 SOUTH CAROLINA 46 (at Columbus) Next:  
	Dec.27-28 vs. #12 LaSalle at the Sugar Bowl Classic in New
	Orleans.  Also:  #39 Florida vs. #149 New Orleans (host).
 
	#60 UAB 80, #69 PENN STATE 57 (at Birmingham)  Next:  Tonight vs. 
	#228 SW Texas State in the UAB Invitational (3rd place).
 
Tonight:
 
	No games
 
Saturday:
 
	#57 Wisconsin-Green Bay at #7 Illinois
	#58 Iowa State at #24 Indiana
	#22 Iowa vs. #5 UNLV at Las Vegas (ABC, 12:30 pm CST)
	#11 Michigan vs. #70 Seton Hall at Las Vegas (ABC, 3:00 pm CST)
	#106 Eastern Michigan at #48 Michigan State
	#105 Northern Illinois at #14 Minnesota
	
Dec. 27th:
 
	#24 Indiana (host) vs. #140 Wichita State at the Hoosier Classic in
		Indianapolis (also:  #223 Loyola-Chicago vs. #194
		Texas A&M).  Will be completed on the 28th.
	#90 Ohio State vs. #12 LaSalle at the Sugar Bowl Classic in
		New Orleans (also:  #39 Florida vs. #149 New Orleans - host).
		Will be completed on the 28th.
 
Dec. 28th:
 
	(un) Northern Michigan at #11 Michigan
	#19 Purdue vs. #47 Wake Forest at the Fiesta Bowl Classic in
		Tucson (also, #54 Arizona - host vs. #69 Penn State).  Will
		be completed on the 29th.
	#102 Wisconsin vs. #56 Georgia at the Tribune Classic in Tempe
		(also:  #124 Arizona State - host vs. #234 Manhattan).  Will
		be completed on the 29th.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (12-28-89) (NCAA)
Summary: Just the scores...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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December 22nd Results:
 
	#72 PENN STATE 62, #256 SW TEXAS STATE 37 (for 3rd place at the UAB
	Invitational in Birmingham)
 
December 23rd Results:
 
	#6 ILLINOIS 71, #51 WISCONSIN-GREEN BAY 47 (at Champaign)
	#9 INDIANA 115, #87 IOWA STATE 66 (at Bloomington)
	#3 UNLV 97, #23 IOWA 80 (at Las Vegas)
	#15 MICHIGAN 91, #78 SETON HALL 86 (at Las Vegas)
	#26 MICHIGAN STATE 87, #85 EASTERN MICHIGAN 73 (at East Lansing)
	#12 MINNESOTA 81, #127 NORTHERN ILLINOIS 62 (at Minneapolis)
	
Last Night's Results:
 
	#9 INDIANA 75, #106 WICHITA STATE 54 (at the Hoosier Classic in
		Indianapolis)
	#30 LASALLE 74, #101 OHIO STATE 62 (at the Sugar Bowl Classic in
		New Orleans)
 
Tonight:
 
	#9 INDIANA (host) vs. #173 Texas A&M in the Championship of the 
		Hoosier Classic at Indianapolis.
	#101 OHIO STATE vs. #151 New Orleans for Third Place in the Sugar Bowl
		Classic at New Orleans.
	(un) Northern Michigan at #15 MICHIGAN
	#13 PURDUE vs. #91 Wake Forest at the Fiesta Bowl Classic in
		Tucson.
	#72 PENN STATE vs. #36 Arizona at the Fiesta Bowl Classic in
		Tucson.
	#98 WISCONSIN vs. #45 Georgia at the Tribune Classic in Tempe
		(Also:  #99 Arizona State (host) vs. #238 Manhattan).
 
Friday:
 
	#13 PURDUE in the Fiesta Bowl Classic
	#72 PENN STATE in the Fiesta Bowl Classic
	#98 WISCONSIN in the Tribune Classic
	#6 ILLINOIS (host) vs. #257 Grambling in the Old Style Classic at
		Rosemont, IL (Also:  #62 Memphis State vs. #97 Ball
		State).
	#26 MICHIGAN STATE (host) vs. #227 San Jose State in the Cutlass 
		Classic at East Lansing (Also:  #61 Arkansas-Little Rock vs.
		#76 Princeton).
	#33 NORTHWESTERN in the Music City Invitational at Nashville (other
		teams:  #67 Vanderbilt (host), (un) Alaska-Anchorage,
		#265 William and Mary).
 
Saturday:
 
	#6 ILLINOIS (host) in the Old Style Classic
	#26 MICHIGAN STATE (host) in the Cutlass Classic
	#33 NORTHWESTERN in the Music City Invitational
	#167 Monmouth (NJ) at #23 IOWA
	#85 Eastern Michigan at #15 MICHIGAN
	#247 Youngstown State at #12 MINNESOTA
 
 
Standings:
		All Games		vs. Division I only
 
		Indiana		9-0		9-0
		Illinois	8-0		7-0
		Michigan	8-1		8-1
		Iowa		7-1		7-1
		Minnesota	7-1		7-1
		Purdue		6-1		6-1
		Michigan State	9-2		9-2
		Wisconsin	8-2		6-2
		Northwestern	5-2		3-2
		Ohio State	4-4		4-4
				---		---
			       71-14	       66-14
 
		Penn State	6-1		5-1
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (12-29-89) (NCAA)
Summary: A mixed-bag
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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The Fiesta Bowl Classic participants take the day off, as the tournament
resumes Saturday, and not tonight, as I wrote yesterday...
 
 
Last Night's Results:
 
	#9 INDIANA (host) 94, #173 Texas A&M 66 (for the Championship of the
		Hoosier Classic in Indianapolis - Wichita St. beat Loyola, IL
		75-59 for Third Place):  The Hoosiers won their 8th consecutive
		Hoosier Classic at Market Square Arena, though the tournament
		did not sell out this time.  Calbert Cheaney had 21 points
		and Eric Anderson 13 as IU (10-0) breezed.  The Graham Boys, 
		Pat and Greg (no relation) had 14 each.  The Aggies dropped to	
		7-7.  Next:  January 4th at #101 Ohio State.
 
	#101 OHIO STATE 74, #151 New Orleans 67 (for Third Place in the Sugar 
		Bowl Classic in New Orleans - LaSalle beat Florida 76-69
		for the Championship):  The Buckeyes knocked off the host 
		Privateers to salvage third place in the Sugar Bowl Classic.
		OSU is now 5-4.  The Buckeyes used a 21-6 run during the
		final 8 minutes of the first half to go up 30-20 and never
		looked back.  Perry Carter had 22.  UNO dropped to 2-7.  
		Next:  January 4th vs. #9 Indiana.
 
	#15 MICHIGAN 102, (un) Northern Michigan 74 (at Ann Arbor):  The
		Wolverines whipped up on Division II NMU in this mismatch
		at Crisler Arena.  Loy Vaught scored 20 and Terry Mills
		had 18 as the Wolverines pulled away from a 47-36 halftime
		advantage.  Michigan is now 9-1.  Next:  Saturday vs. 
		#85 Eastern Michigan.
 
	#13 PURDUE 66, #91 Wake Forest 52 (at the Fiesta Bowl Classic in
		Tucson):  The Boilermakers (7-1) used their stout defense to 
		hold the Demon Deacons (6-2) to 21-66 shooting and win in the
		first round at Arizona.   Purdue withstood two 8-0 runs
		by Wake in the first half and held a 32-29 halftime lead,
		the second run being the final 8 points of the half.  However,
		the Boilers came out strong in the second half, using a
		20-7 run to start to pull ahead 52-36 with 10 minutes left,
		and eventually built the lead to 61-44 before clearing the
		bench.  Tony Jones had 16 points and 7 assists, while
		backcourt mate Woody Austin had a career high 15 points and
		9 rebounds.  Steve Scheffler added 11 and Jimmy Oliver 10,
		including a couple of resounding slams.  Gene Keady recorded
		his 200th win at Purdue.  Wake was rated #25 in this week's
		AP poll.  Next:  Saturday vs. #36 Arizona in the Championship 
		of the Fiesta Bowl Classic.
 
	#36 Arizona (host) 74, #72 PENN STATE 55 (at the Fiesta Bowl Classic
		in Tucson):  The Wildcats pulled away midway through the
		first half to whip the Nittany Lions.  Arizona scored
		8 straight to lengthen a 24-15 lead eventually to 39-22
		at the break.  Matt Muehlebach had 15 points to lead the
		Cats.  Penn State drops to 6-2, while the Cats go to 4-2.
		Next:  Saturday vs. #91 Wake Forest for Third Place in the
		Fiesta Bowl Classic.
 
	#45 Georgia 65, #98 WISCONSIN 64 (at the Tribune Classic in Tempe -
		Arizona St. beat Manhattan 92-70 in the first round):
		The Badgers lost a heartbreaker at Tempe against the
		tough Georgia Bulldogs.  The Dawgs Alec Kessler hit a
		baseline jumper with 7 seconds left to doom the Badgers.
		Danny Jones of Wisconsin had missed the second half of
		two foul shots with 19 seconds left and just a 64-63
		lead, opening the door for Kessler.  The Badgers fall to
		8-3, while Georgia goes to 7-1.  Jones had 20, and Kessler
		23.  Next:  Tonight vs. #239 Manhattan for Third Place at the
		Tribune Classic).
 
Tonight:
 
	#98 WISCONSIN vs. #238 Manhattan for Third Place in the Tribune 
		Classic at Tempe (Georgia vs. Arizona St. for Title)
	#6 ILLINOIS (host) vs. #257 Grambling in the Old Style Classic at
		Rosemont, IL (Also:  #62 Memphis State vs. #97 Ball
		State).
	#26 MICHIGAN STATE (host) vs. #227 San Jose State in the Cutlass 
		Classic at East Lansing (Also:  #61 Arkansas-Little Rock vs.
		#76 Princeton).
	#33 NORTHWESTERN vs. #265 William and Mary in the Music City 
		Invitational at Nashville (Also:  #67 Vanderbilt (host) 
		vs. (un) Alaska-Anchorage).
 
Saturday:
 
	#13 PURDUE vs. #36 Arizona (host) for the Championship of the Fiesta
		Bowl Classic in Tucson
	#72 PENN STATE vs. #91 Wake Forest for Third Place of the Fiesta
		Bowl Classic in Tucson
	#6 ILLINOIS (host) in the Old Style Classic
	#26 MICHIGAN STATE (host) in the Cutlass Classic
	#33 NORTHWESTERN in the Music City Invitational
	#167 Monmouth (NJ) at #23 IOWA
	#85 Eastern Michigan at #15 MICHIGAN
	#247 Youngstown State at #12 MINNESOTA
 
 
Standings:
		All Games		vs. Division I only
 
		Indiana	       10-0	       10-0
		Illinois	8-0		7-0
		Michigan	9-1		8-1
		Iowa		7-1		7-1
		Minnesota	7-1		7-1
		Purdue		7-1		7-1
		Michigan State	9-2		9-2
		Wisconsin	8-3		6-3
		Northwestern	5-2		3-2
		Ohio State	5-4		5-4
				---		---
			       75-15	       69-15
 
		Penn State	6-2		5-2
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-2-90) (NCAA)
Summary: 84 wins out of 101 tries, so far...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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December 29th Results:
 
	#98 WISCONSIN 63, #238 Manhattan 48, for Third Place in the Tribune
		Classic at Tempe (#99 Arizona State (host) 64, #45 Georgia 
		63, for the title)
 
	#6 ILLINOIS (host) 97, #257 Grambling 73, in the First Round of the
		Old Style Classic at Rosemont, IL (#62 Memphis State 76, 
		#97 Ball State 73, OT, in the other game).
 
	#26 MICHIGAN STATE (host) 88, #227 San Jose State 61, in the First
		Round of the Cutlass Classic at East Lansing (#76 Princeton
		59, #61 Arkansas-Little Rock 56 in the other game).
 
	#33 NORTHWESTERN 103, #265 William and Mary 78, in the First Round
		of the Music City Invitational at Nashville (#67 Vanderbilt
		(host) 85, (un) Alaska-Anchorage 81 in the other game).
 
December 30th Results:
 
	#36 Arizona (host) 85, #13 PURDUE 66, for the Championship of the 
		Fiesta Bowl Classic in Tucson.
 
	#72 PENN STATE 67, #91 Wake Forest 63, for Third Place of the Fiesta
		Bowl Classic in Tucson.
 
	#6 ILLINOIS (host) 83, #62 Memphis State 71, in the Championship
		of the Old Style Classic at the Rosemont (#97 Ball State
		79, #257 Grambling 56 for Third Place).
 
	#26 MICHIGAN STATE (host) 51, #76 Princeton 49, for the Championship
		of the Cutlass Classic in East Lansing (#61 Arkansas-Little
		Rock 90, #227 San Jose State 80 for Third Place).
 
	#67 Vanderbilt (host) 81, #33 NORTHWESTERN 80, in the Championship of 
		the Music City Invitational in Nashville (other game 
		unavailable).
 
	#23 IOWA 55, #167 Monmouth (NJ) 46 (at Iowa City).
 
	#15 MICHIGAN 107, #85 Eastern Michigan 83 (at Ann Arbor).
 
	#12 MINNESOTA 97, #247 Youngstown State 57 (at Minneapois).
 
January 3rd:
 
	#23 IOWA at #77 Northern Iowa
	#267 Rider (NJ) at #12 MINNESOTA
	#168 Northeastern at #33 NORTHWESTERN (a natural, eh?)
	#170 Eastern Illinois at #13 PURDUE (I will be there)
	#72 PENN STATE at #122 Rhode Island
 
		(End of the Nonsense Games)
 
January 4th (Thursday):
 
	#98 WISCONSIN at #6 ILLINOIS
	#9 INDIANA at #101 OHIO STATE
 
January 6th (Saturday):
 
	#6 ILLINOIS at #12 MINNESOTA
	#101 OHIO STATE at #23 IOWA
	#33 NORTHWESTERN at #13 PURDUE (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#26 MICHIGAN STATE at #98 WISCONSIN (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#72 PENN STATE at #95 Massachusetts
 
January 8th (Monday):
 
	#15 MICHIGAN at #9 INDIANA (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
		All Games		vs. Division I only
 
		Indiana	       10-0	       10-0
		Illinois       10-0		9-0
		Michigan       10-1		9-1
		Iowa		8-1		8-1
		Minnesota	8-1		8-1
		Michigan State 11-2	       11-2
		Purdue		7-2	        7-2
		Wisconsin	9-3		7-3
		Northwestern	6-3		4-3
		Ohio State	5-4		5-4
				---		---
			       84-17	       78-17
 
		Penn State	7-2		6-2
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	1.  Michigan - Experienced, and accustomed to winning.
	2.  Illinois - Best backcourt in the conference.
	3.  Minnesota - Great balance on both ends.
	4a. Indiana - Really quick, with terrific raw talent, but
                      as little experience as you'll ever see in an
                      established program.
        4b. Michigan State - IF Mike Peplowski plays.
	4c. Purdue - Winning with defense (again).
	7.  Iowa - Down year.
	8.  Wisconsin - Not as good as originally thought.
        9.  Ohio State - New coach, and not much experience.
       10.  Northwestern - Who else?

tom

    Illinois at Minnesota this Saturday.  I'm hoping to go down and
    see it.  Should be a classic!  Last year the Gophs knocked off the
    unbeaten #1 Illini here.  This should be the Gophers best year in
    quite some time.
    
    
    Spud

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Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-4-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: A shocker, and some ho-hum wins...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Last Night:
 
	#98 Northern Iowa 77, #31 IOWA 74 (at Cedar Falls):  The upset
		special, baby!  The Panthers of Eldon Miller (remember
		him??), the Mid-Continent Conference, and 22,797 fans
		at the UNI-Dome got their biggest win in years last
		night.  UNI, 7-2 now, blew an 11 point lead but used
		a 10-0 run to beat the Hawkeyes for the first time in
		77 years.  The crowd was the biggest in Iowa history
		as this building is used for hoops and football.  Ray
		Thompson had 22, but it wasn't enough.  UNI led 41-37
		at the half, and outrebounded the Hawkeyes by 2, 39-37.
		Don't look at this one as a total goofup for Iowa, though,
		because UNI *is* pretty darned good.  Iowa dropped to 8-2.
		The Mid-Continent Conference contains UNI, Southwest
		Missouri State (of NCAA tourney upset fame), Wisconsin-
		Green Bay, Cleveland State (remember them?), Illinois-
		Chicago (they beat Michigan St. and Iowa St.), Western
		Illinois, Eastern Illinois, and Valparaiso (they've
		beaten Notre Dame on occasion).  Next:  Saturday vs. 
		#78 Ohio State.
 
	#12 MINNESOTA 116, #254 Rider (NJ) 48 (at Minneapolis): A real blowout
		here, but probably one of those unnecessary matchings.
		The Gophers have won nine straight since that wild one
		at Cincinnati.  The item in this game was Minnesota
		stretching a 24-18 lead with 9:07 left in the first half
		to 50-18 (that's right, 26 consecutive points!) before
		Rider (2-6) hit a couple of FTs with :52 seconds left.  The
		Gophers scored the first 12 points of the second half to
		go ahead by 44, 65-21, and the 68 point final margin is
		the biggest in Minnesota's long history.  The competition
		stiffens Saturday.  Next:  Saturday vs. #7 Illinois.
 
	#33 NORTHWESTERN 74, #202 Northeastern 70 (at Evanston):  Northwestern
		(7-3) led by seven, 39-32, at the break, but could never 
		really shake the Huskies (2-8) at home.  Bill Foster was
		less than pleased with his team's effort after the game.  The
		Wildcats were unable to hit their FTs down the stretch.
		Walker Lambiotte incredibly missed 8 of 12 attempts.  He'll
		do better at Purdue Saturday.  Next:  Saturday at #19
		Purdue (Big Ten/Raycom in the Midwest at noon, CST).
 
	#19 PURDUE 82, #132 Eastern Illinois 55 (at West Lafayette):  The
		Boilers (8-2) scored the first 13 points against Northern
		Iowa's conference mate, but only led by 11, 36-25, at the
		half in a sloppy first 20 minutes.  Gene Keady was running 
		troops in from the bench, though, so there was a noticable lack
		of continuity.  Eastern (4-4) missed 7 of 9 first half FTs, 
		hit only .357 from the field, and missed 6 of 9 treys, but 
		still only trailed by 11.  The second half saw the Boilers 
		pull away with leads of 53-36, 68-46, and 80-51 near the end.
		Steve Scheffler had 18, Tony Jones 16, Woody Austin 11, and 
		Chuckie White had 15 points, most of which occurred late
		after Keady jumped off of the bench, tore off his jacket,
		threw it down, kicked it, called a timeout, and then just
		ripped White for a defensive screwup he had just made.
		This was when Purdue was up by 20+ points!  My friend, the
		Illinois fan, remarked, "Keady's an asshole".  Oh well.  I
		agreed after that one, I guess.  Time to simmer down....
		White did play like a madman the last 7-8 minutes, though.  I 
		sat five rows from the floor directly across from Purdue's 
		bench, and boy, did I learn some pointed vocabulary, most of 
		which was directed at the Purdue players (the refs were pretty 
		good).  What a view of the game!  This was not a great 
		pre-conference tuneup for Purdue, and if the team doesn't 
		start playing better, it won't be a pretty sight come March.  
		Next:  Saturday vs. #33 Northwestern (see TV above).
 
	#168 Rhode Island 71, #70 PENN STATE 61 (at Kingston):  The Lions
		dropped to 7-3 with a disappointing loss at Rhode Island
		in this Atlantic 10 matchup.  Penn State is now 1-1 in
		league play, having beaten Temple in December.  Next:  
		Saturday at #91 Massachusetts.
 
Tonight:
 
	#83 WISCONSIN at #7 ILLINOIS
	#10 INDIANA at #78 OHIO STATE
 
Saturday:
 
	#7 ILLINOIS at #12 MINNESOTA
	#78 OHIO STATE at #31 IOWA
	#33 NORTHWESTERN at #19 PURDUE (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#39 MICHIGAN STATE at #83 WISCONSIN (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#70 PENN STATE at #91 Massachusetts
 
January 8th (Next Monday):
 
	#11 MICHIGAN at #10 INDIANA (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
		All Games		vs. Division I only
 
		Indiana	       10-0	       10-0
		Illinois       10-0		9-0
		Michigan       10-1		9-1
		Minnesota	9-1		9-1
		Michigan State 11-2	       11-2
		Iowa		8-2		8-2
		Purdue		8-2	        8-2
		Wisconsin	9-3		7-3
		Northwestern	7-3		5-3
		Ohio State	5-4		5-4
				---		---
			       84-17	       78-17
 
		Penn State	7-3		6-3
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    The Buckeyes pulled the BIG-10 upset of the year last night by beating
    Indiana by two. Sorry, no details.

    Thank God for our Gophs!  After watching the Vikes blowout Saturday
    afternoon, there they were, less than one hour later, warming our
    hearts again.  Gophs totally controlled and pounded the unbeaten and
    #4 ranked Illini.  Mel Newbern was on a mission!  All that talk
    about Gill and Bardo being the best guard combo in the country should
    be squelched for some time after the thrashing they took from Newbern
    and Lynch.  Not only were they outhustled and outdefensed, they
    were outscored 44-17!  Gill got so frustrated in the second half
    at the way Newbern was dominating him that he made the game a blowout.
    The Illini trailed by 12 and had the ball when Gill received a T
    for intentionally fouling Newbern with an elbow.  Mel made the throws,
    the Gophs scored again and were never headed on their way to a 91-74
    victory
    
    Gophs have a tough week ahead with road games at Purdue and Michigan.
    When the polls come out later today, the Gophs should move up 
    considerably from their conservative #24 ranking.
    
    
    Spud                                                                 

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Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-5-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: One expected result, one unexpected....
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Last Night:
 
	#7 ILLINOIS 73, #83 WISCONSIN 59 (at Champaign):  The Illini (11-0,
		1-0) had a rather easy time of it last night in avenging last
		season's most lopsided loss.  The Illini led 35-21 at
		halftime, and by as many as 23 in the second half before
		Wisconsin (9-4, 0-1) started getting some easy baskets under 
		the hoop and some trifectas from Tim Locum and Brian Good.  
		Kendall Gill led the Illini with 20, hitting all 8 shots from 
		the floor.  Illinois won the game at the stripe, outscoring
		the Badgers 22-5.  Next for the Illini:  Saturday at #12 
		Minnesota.  Next for the Badgers:  Saturday vs. #39
		Michigan State.
 
	#78 OHIO STATE 69, #10 INDIANA 67 (at Columbus):  The three-point
		shooting of frosh Alex Davis helped propel the Buckeyes (6-4,
		1-0) to a big victory over Indiana.  Davis had 15, and another
		frosh, Jimmy Jackson, had 22.  This one was tied at the
		half, 36-36, after IU had fought back from a 28-22 deficit.
		The Buckeyes led 69-61 with 1:12 left in the game before frosh 
		Todd Leary and Greg Graham buried three-pointers to cut it
		to 69-67 with :47 left.  The Hoosiers (10-1, 0-1) had the ball 
		for the final 38 seconds after an OSU turnover, but could
		do nothing but put up an off-balance three pointer with
		:02 left.  An uncharacteristic way for a Bob Knight team
		to run the clock at the end.  Knight is still one Big Ten 
		victory behind Purdue legend Ward "Piggy" Lambert (1917, 
		1919-1946) on the all-time list.  Knight is 227-85.  Next 
		for OSU: Saturday at #31 Iowa.  Next for IU:  Monday vs. 
		#10 Michigan.
 
Saturday:
 
	#7  ILLINOIS at #12 MINNESOTA
	#78 OHIO STATE at #31 IOWA
	#33 NORTHWESTERN at #19 PURDUE  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#39 MICHIGAN STATE at #83 WISCONSIN  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#70 PENN STATE at #91 Massachusetts
 
Monday:
 
	#11 MICHIGAN at #10 INDIANA (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf.	 All
 
		Illinois	1-0	11-0
		Ohio State	1-0	 6-4
		Michigan       	0-0	10-1
		Minnesota	0-0	 9-1
		Michigan State 	0-0	11-2
		Iowa		0-0	 8-2
		Purdue		0-0	 8-2
		Northwestern	0-0	 7-3
		Indiana		0-1	10-1
		Wisconsin	0-1	 9-4
		----------------------------
		Penn State	1-1	 7-3
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    Huge one tonight in Big 10 land with Michigan battling IU at Indiana. 
    
    Predictions?
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    Give it a break Big10 Tom.  Gill had his clocked cleaned in every
    phase of the game.  Newbern will again win the Big 10 steals title.
    In the last non-con game he set an all-time school record with 9.
                          
    BTW, Bardo went 1-5 and scored two points in a supporting role.
    This Illinois team is definately not as good as last years. 
    
    
    Spud

>    Huge one tonight in Big 10 land with Michigan battling IU at Indiana. 

Danny Sheridan says 

	INDIANA		3	michigan	

TTom

    
    After the Buckeyes upset Indiana they go to upset Iowa on Saturday.
    Amazing!
    

    Indeed, O State is playing inspired hoops of late.  The key seems to be
    their freshmen.  Jimmy Jackson was a bonafide Top 5 high school
    prosect who appears to be coming into his own.  They've also got 
    another kid (forget his name - also a frosh) firing up 3's.
    
    I'll go out on a limb and predict an IU win tonight.  Michigan's loaded
    but Fisher scares me as a coach.  Bob will keep the Hucksters in it,
    and will find a way to win at the end.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    
      Good call Chris. Indiana by 2 over Michigan.
    
      Bull
    

    True enough Bull, although I'd be lying if I thought at halftime I'd be
    correct!
    
    Nice win for the Hucksters, although Michigan deserves much of the
    credit for a truly gastly fold.  Credit Dick Vitale with predicting
    Michigan would do as much.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    
    	wow, Indiana won, huh?  What was the final score?  i fell asleep
    halfway through the Georgetown obliteration and missed it.  Thanks.
    
    sean

    
    Final was IU 69 Michigan 67...yup nice call Chris because it was
    definately the coaching that was the difference. Whatever BK said
    at half time certainly worked. For those that didn't catch it IU 
    was down either 18 or 20 at the half. The kids looked just like
    that Kids against men. It looked like Fisher was going to make
    a big difference to this team as Michigan play tough defense and took
    high percentage shots. Seconf half the old Frieder team showed it
    face, relaxing on defense, throwing up horrible shots, no discipline.
    
    I liked Vitale comment to Patrick when Patrick was waxing on about
    how well Frieder was doing at ASU and what a wonderful coach he was
    and he pressed Vitale for a comment on how good a coach Frieder was
    to which Dicky said well he's alway been a good recrutier.....
    
    mike

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-8-89)  (NCAA)
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Illinois was knocked from the ranks of the undefeated for the second-straight
year by Minnesota (but with Kendall Gill this time), Ohio State served notice
that it is a force to be dealt with by registering it's second straight
"upset", Purdue outshot Northwestern at lit-up Mackey Arena, and Michigan
State won a tough defensive battle up in the Land of Cheeseheads...
 
DON'T MISS the Michigan-IU game tonight!!!  It's BIG MONDAY again!!!
I can hear Dickie now.... 
 
 
Saturday's Results:
 
	#12 MINNESOTA 91, #7 ILLINOIS 74 (at Minneapolis):  This turned out
	to be a blowout, and by what I saw, was no fluke.  The Gophers are 
	tough up at the "Barn".  But, to be a real contender, you must win 
	on the road in the Big Ten.  During the past two seasons, the Gophers 
	are only a pathetic 1-17 on the road.  Minnesota's demonstrative Melvin
	Newbern was uncanny in this one, with several in-your-face jumpers
	against Gill and Bardo.  The Illini (1-1, 11-1) inside game had trouble 
	defending Minnesota's more experienced frontcourt.  This was the first 
	game where I believe the Illini missed last year's front line.  Ervin
	Small got shook up and became ineffective.  After an early 6-6 tie,
	the Gophers (1-0, 10-1) never looked back, going up 13-6, 22-18,
	35-25, 41-27, and finally 42-31 at the half.  In the second half, 
	the Illini cut the lead to 46-39 before a 7 point explosion spread
	it to 53-39.  Another Illini comeback cut a 60-45 lead to 64-57
	with 8:22 left.  A Clem Haskins timeout preceeded another run up
	to 69-57, and that was it.  Guards Newbern and Illinoisian Kevin
	Lynch outscored the Gill-Bardo duo 44-17.  Bardo had just 2 points.
	Note for Gopher fans:  Melvin Newbern's laughing, finger-pointing,
	and other needless taunting drew the ire of Lou Henson, Gill (who
	threw a forearm to Newbern's "chops"), and the fans around here.
	I thought that Haskins should have yanked Melvin or at least lectured
	him.  Pretty bush league.  Too bad he forgot that there is a return
	match in Champaign on February 8th...  Last year I witnessed first-
	hand the "Wrath of the Illini" during Purdue's return visit to the
	Assembly Hall (102-75).  Gene Keady's infamous ball-grabbing incident
	in the preceeding game had the locals on the warpath.  Next for 
	Illinois:  Saturday at #33 Northwestern.  Next for Minnesota:  
	Thursday at #19 Purdue.
 
	#78 OHIO STATE 79, #31 IOWA 73 (at Iowa City):  The Hawkeyes (0-1,
	8-3) missed 18 of 28 free throws and lost to the surprising
	Buckeyes (2-0, 7-4) at home.  The Buckeyes outrebounded the usually
	ball-hawking Hawkeyes 42-38, too.  Jimmy Jackson, another of the
	Big Ten's great frosh, had 28 points, and likewise Alex Davis, who
	killed Indiana last week, had 18.  Les Jepsen, who was averaging
	12 boards a game, had only 3 for Dr. Tom Davis, who called OSU 
	"a multifaceted ballclub that can hurt you in a lot of different
	ways, a lot of very nice dimensions"..."They're going to beat
	a lot of people."  In good news for Iowa, Matt Bullard, who has
	been out for two months with a bum knee, had 23 points in his 
	first start back, which makes the result all the more surprising...
	Next for OSU:  Thursday at #39 Michigan State.  Next for Iowa:
	Thursday at #83 Wisconsin.
 
	#19 PURDUE 93, #33 NORTHWESTERN 77 (at West Lafayette):  Steve
	Scheffler, Charles "Chuckie" White, and Ryan Berning all had 
	career scoring highs in this hot-shooting affair against Walker
	Lambiotte and Rex Walters of Northwestern (0-1, 7-4).  Purdue
	(1-0, 9-2) led all the way after the first few hoops, stretching
	the lead out to 40-26 just before the half, taking a 45-32 lead
	to the locker room.  They came out hot in the second half, leading
	53-34 before NU started chipping away, getting as close as 78-71
	with 4:27 left in the game.  Purdue closed out the game with a
	15-6 spurt.  The Boilers hit 63% from the field, while NU hit 57%.
	Most of Purdue's points came in the paint, as Scheffler had 28 on
	9-10 shooting, White had 20 on 8-8 shooting, and Berning had 17
	on 5-6 shooting!  Lambiotte had 22 and Walters 20 for the Cats.
	Brian Schwabe and Evan Pedersen were manhandled inside, as they
	were unable to stop Purdue defensively and could only muster 8
	points between them.  There were only 49 rebounds in the game,
	as neither team missed much...  White had 12 of Purdue's 29 boards.
	Next for Purdue:  Thursday vs.  #12 Minnesota.  Next for 
	Northwestern:  Thursday vs. #10 Indiana.
 
	#39 MICHIGAN STATE 64, #83 WISCONSIN 61 (at Madison):  The Spartans
	won their third straight game without star guard Steve Smith, and
	it was a huge one, knocking off the Badgers (0-2, 9-5) at the
	always-tough Wisconsin Fieldhouse.  MSU (1-0 and 12-2) used some
	stingy defense to keep Steve Yoder's charges winless.  Smith, MSU's
	premier player, has missed three games due to a broken finger.  Kirk
	Manns, the Hoosier sharpshooter, had 20 points and Ken Redfield added
	17 as the Spartans held back the Badgers.  MSU stretched a 31-29
	halftime lead to 48-35 with 12:31 left before Wisconsin came back
	to 62-61.  Matt Steigenga then hit two FTs with seven seconds left.
	Larry Hisle, Jr. (that's right, son of the former baseball player),
	missed a hurried desperation three-pointer (it hit the rim) at the
	end.  The Badgers also have the son of Bobby Douglass on their
	team, the old Bear quarterback.  He's a starting guard.  Danny
	Jones had 21 for Wisconsin.  Next for MSU:  vs. Thursday vs. #78 
	Ohio State.  Next for Wisconsin:  Thursday vs. #31 Iowa.
 
	#91 Massachusetts 64, #70 PENN STATE 52 (at Amherst):  The Nittany
	Lions took it on the chin again on the road in the Atlantic 10.
	They drop to 1-2 in the league, and 7-4 overall, after a good
	showing in the Fiesta Bowl Classic last week.  Next:  Saturday
	vs. #181 St. Bonaventure.
 
 
Tonight:
 
	#11 MICHIGAN at #10 INDIANA (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
Thursday:
 
	#10 INDIANA at #33 NORTHWESTERN (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
	#31 IOWA at #83 WISCONSIN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#78 OHIO STATE at #39 MICHIGAN STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#12 MINNESOTA at #19 PURDUE  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Saturday:
 
	#7 ILLINOIS at #33 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#19 PURDUE at #10 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#31 IOWA at #39 MICHIGAN STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#83 WISCONSIN at #78 OHIO STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#12 MINNESOTA at #11 MICHIGAN  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#181 St. Bonaventure at #70 PENN STATE
 
Monday, the 15th:
 
	#11 MICHIGAN at #7 ILLINOIS (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf.	 All
 
	 	Ohio State	2-0	 7-4
	 	Minnesota	1-0	10-1
	 	Michigan State 	1-0	12-2
	 	Purdue		1-0	 9-2
		Michigan	0-0	10-1
		Illinois	1-1	11-1
	 	Indiana		0-1	10-1
		Iowa		0-1	 8-3
	 	Northwestern	0-1	 7-4
	 	Wisconsin	0-2	 9-5
		----------------------------
		Penn State	1-2	 7-4
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Indiana's fine young talent overcame their coaching liabilities

    I like Randy's reports, but being an Illini fan, it's not like that
    his team has never taunted anyone.  I remember a few butt-kickings
    the Gophs took in years past in Illinois.
    
    Also, Lynch is not an "Illinoisian," he is from Bloomington, MN.
    
    We're ready for the rematch.  This team has been coming on for four
    years and is here to stay this year.  There will be no backing down
    to anyone (in terms of competition).
    
    
    Spud                                     

    Michigan blew that game last night. Up by 20 at one point, went
    in at the half ahead 40-26 (could have been even more), and flat
    out got BLAMed in the 2nd half. Losing Mills to fouls with at least
    6 minutes to go, didn't help either.
    
    Fisher and the players needto be shot for that game. It wasn't so
    much what IU did, although they did hustle and make their shots,
    but MU played pickup-game basketball, and it burned them.
    
    Who knows ... Michigan could learn from this, and be unbeatable,
    or they could go into the tank against strong teams ...

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-9-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: What a game!!!
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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What a finish!  What a comeback!  What a choke!  Bob Knight, his team, and
his fans should be commended for an amazing display.  Steve Fisher:  Now
that you are the Michigan Man, how about getting some 40-minute effort out
of the Michigan Team???  You can get away with the lulls at home and on
neutral floors most of the time when you have the talent advantage, but not
at "Bloomin'ton"...  From this neutral viewpoint, I see no difference 
between the Fisher-Wolves and the Frieder-Wolves...  Of course, that was
good enough for a National Championship...
 
Last Night:
 
	#10 INDIANA 69, #11 MICHIGAN 67 (at Bloomin'ton):  "Lackadaisical",
	that's how our very over-excited friend termed it last night during
	the telecast.  Gritty, determined, confident.  That's how Indiana
	played the second half.  What a lid-lifter for the Big Ten third of
	Big Monday!  Michigan looked as if it could have challenged the
	Lakers last night during the first 11 minutes, opening up a 33-13
	lead, and really making it look easy.  Maybe that's where the problem
	started.  It was TOO easy.  Most of it came in transition.  When
	Bob Knight finally got his team settled down (BTW, who did he push
	on his sideline, his son?), and the game to a halfcourt one, Michigan
	did not have the patience on offense to make it happen.  Still,
	the Wolves led 40-26 at the half, and barring disaster, seemed to
	have things relatively under control.  The second half became close
	quickly, with IU making one of it's patented "first five-minute"
	runs, an 11-2 one, to cut the lead to 42-37.  But, Michigan answered
	the bell briefly, and it was 50-39 before you knew it.  Another
	IU run reduced the lead again to 56-50, and you began to wonder,
	but Michigan again stretched it to 64-52, with over 7 minutes left.
	That's when the game changed for good.  Until the 30 second (or
	thereabouts) mark in the game, IU outscored UM 17-0!!!  Michigan
	went almost 7 minutes without scoring!!!  It was 69-64, the crowd
	was nuts, and so was Dick.  Michigan's lack of offensive patience
	reached a zenith during this period.  Almost every shot taken was
	a fall-away jumper, and I don't believe they got a single offensive
	board.  The foul trouble had certainly taken it's toll, but no one
	hit the boards.  Sean Higgins' shot selection was less than pathetic.
	Several of his shots were lucky to hit the backboard.  Rumeal showed
	uncharacteristic lack of poise.  On the other hand, the IU halfcourt
	offense was fairly effective, particularly Greg Graham, Calbert
	Cheaney, and Lyndon Jones, the oft-forgotten man this season.  The
	only thing IU could have done better down the stretch was hit free
	throws and get the ball to Anderson, but who cares now?  Probably
	only Bob Knight, at practice today.  Maybe it even gets better next
	Monday, with Illinois hosting Michigan.  Wow!!  Next for IU:  Thursday
	at #33 Northwestern.  Next for Michigan:  Saturday vs. #12 Minnesota.
 
Thursday:
 
	#10 INDIANA at #33 NORTHWESTERN (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
	#31 IOWA at #83 WISCONSIN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#78 OHIO STATE at #39 MICHIGAN STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#12 MINNESOTA at #19 PURDUE  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Saturday:
 
	#7 ILLINOIS at #33 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#19 PURDUE at #10 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#31 IOWA at #39 MICHIGAN STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#83 WISCONSIN at #78 OHIO STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#12 MINNESOTA at #11 MICHIGAN  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#181 St. Bonaventure at #70 PENN STATE
 
Monday, the 15th:
 
	#11 MICHIGAN at #7 ILLINOIS (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf.	 All
 
	 	Ohio State	2-0	 7-4
	 	Minnesota	1-0	10-1
	 	Michigan State 	1-0	12-2
	 	Purdue		1-0	 9-2
		Illinois	1-1	11-1
	 	Indiana		1-1	11-1
		Michigan	0-1	10-2
		Iowa		0-1	 8-3
	 	Northwestern	0-1	 7-4
	 	Wisconsin	0-2	 9-5
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		Penn State	1-2	 7-4
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Subject: Big Trouble Brewing in Iowa City??
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	If you were still up after the incredible IU-UM finish to watch
	ESPN's SportsCenter, Bob Ley reported that Ray Thompson, Acie Earl,
	and Brian Garner of Iowa were all to become grade casualties, with the
	official announcement Wednesday.  This would be a disaster for Tom
	Davis.  Thompson is a legitimate All-Big 10 caliber player...
 
	Anyone have further info?
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    I think Dr. Malpractice is in deep trouble anyway.  His team has
    not impressed me at all.
    
    
    Spud

    Davis has also had a couple of horrendous recruiting efforts of late,
    which means a) he's got no depth to replace these lost guys, and b) the
    cupboard is looking *bare* for the next couple of years.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

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Subject: Iowa loses two to grades, one to transfer
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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	As was hinted earlier, Ray Thompson and Brian Garner are 
	ineligible for the remainder of the season, due to unsatisfactory
	classroom performance.  Also, guard Ray Slater is transferring to	
	Radford College, and Acie Earl was given a temporary suspension
	for bad behavior.  Ouch!
 
	I heard a good rumor that Dr. Tom Davis will bail out of Iowa
	City after this season or next.  Anyone else heard this?
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    	He probably wanted to go to a school where he could develop
    his basketball skills.  Like North Carolina for example.
    
    				/Don

       Of course UNC would have been far better for his academic well
    being.
                                         Denny

The latest report has Funderburke contacting Kentucky to see if they'll
let him in. The question is what effect this might have on IU getting
Montross.(or is that a done deal him going to Ann Arbor?)

TTom

    
    	who won the iu-nw game last night?  it was close at the half.
    

    IU won.

       What's with the big10 and ESPN? They're on AGAIN tonight! Enuf's
    enuf already!
                                          Denny
    

    	I agree Denny.  I'd rather watch an ACC game (North Carolina's
    my first choice) anyday.  They had Tubby Knight tuggin' on his sweater
    while the talented Hoosiers were almost outcoached by Northwestern
    on ESPN again last night.
    
    				/Don

    If there's a grammar war, the Apostrophe Police will be ready to
    jump in.

       Anyone notice Bobby Spight has a plethora of white sweaters this
    season?
                                          Denny

    Charles,
    
    The Boilers did indeed strike last night.  They were hitting
    everything, shooting 73% for the first half and over 60% for the
    game.  To be honest though, the Gophs defense just wasn't there.
    Many of the shots were uncontested, including several easy ones
    underneath.  After trailing by about 16 with seven minutes to go,
    they started playing tough D and came withing five and had the ball.
    Gophs couldn't cash in on their opportunities and it was over. 
    This was the first game all year that the Gophs looked confused
    on offense and as a result, took some bad shots.  Lynch played very
    well, but Melvin and Coffey weren't much of a factor.
    
    I think you'll see the Gophs play much better vs. Michigan tomorrow.
    
    
    Spud

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Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-12-90)
Summary: Big win for Purdue...
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Purdue handed the Gophers their first conference loss in a great performance
at home, IU won a big road test, Wisconsin got a must-win against Iowa,
and MSU whipped previously-unbeaten Ohio State:
 
 
Last Night:
 
	#11 INDIANA 77, #60 NORTHWESTERN 63 (at Evanston): Eric Anderson
	returned home to lead IU past the Cats.  He scored 20 of his 24
	points in the second half, as IU overcame a 46-40 deficit early
	in the second half with 14 straight points and were never headed.
	Sounded like there were as many IU fans at Welsh-Ryan as NU ones.	
	It gets worse Saturday, with Illinois invading Evanston.  IU hit
	70% from the field in the second half, and it's defense did a
	great job on Walker Lambiotte, who had a long conversation with
	Bob Knight after the game.  Next for IU:  Saturday vs. #14 Purdue.
	Next for NU:  Saturday vs. #8 Illinois.
 
	#81 WISCONSIN 73, #57 IOWA 69 (OT)  (at Madison):  In a must win
	situation, the Badgers got a shot from Patrick Tompkins with 23
	seconds left to send the game into OT at 63-63, then a three point
	bomb from Tim Locum with 33 seconds left in the extra period to
	take a 70-67 lead and a victory.  Wisconsin had led by 4 with 2:28
	left in regulation before Iowa took the lead.  Danny Jones and
	Willie Simms each had 21 points.  Les Jepsen had 19 for Iowa, but
	missed a 12-footer at the end of regulation which would have won
	it.  Iowa missed it's three suspended players.  Next for Wisconsin:
	Saturday at #54 Ohio State.  Next for Iowa:  Saturday at #33 
	Michigan State.
 
	#33 MICHIGAN STATE 78, #54 OHIO STATE 68 (at East Lansing):  MSU
	played it's first Big Ten home game in the new Breslin Center, and
	it was a success, as they defeated giant-killer Ohio State.  They
	led 38-30 at the half, and maintained the lead for the most part.
	Matt Steigenga had 17, Kirk Manns 15, and Ken Redfield 14 in
	a balanced attack.  It was the Spartans 1000th basketball victory.
	Jimmy Jackson had 17 for OSU.  Next for MSU:  Saturday vs. #57
	Iowa.  Next for OSU:  Saturday vs. #81 Wisconsin.
 
	#14 PURDUE 86, #6 MINNESOTA 78 (at West Lafayette):  The Boilermakers
	built a huge lead then had to hang on for their lives against
	the Gophers last night.  After Minnesota led early 7-4, the Boilers
	gradually go ahead, and when the game was 22-20, ran off eight straight
	points for a 30-22 lead, and eventually took a 43-30 lead into the
	lockerroom.  The first 13 minutes of the second half were more of
	the same, as the Boilers had leads of 59-43 and finally 71-53
	before the Gophers staged a dramatic comeback.  Using a pressing
	defense to create turnovers and steals, Minnesota scored nine
	straight to cut the lead to 71-62.  Purdue scored the next 5 to
	seemingly put it out of reach at 76-62, but Minnesota kept coming
	back, and with 2:08 left, Purdue led just 80-75, and the Gophers
	had the ball.  But, Ryan Berning canned 6 free throws to extend
	the score to 86-75, while the Gophers could only muster a long 
	trifecta just before the buzzer for the final 8 point margin.  For 
	the second straight game, Purdue shot over 60% from the field (61.2).  
	The negative for the Boilers was 23 turnovers to Minnesota's 12.  
	Purdue won the battle of the boards impressively 37-22.  Six 
	Boilermakers reached double figures, led by Tony Jones' 15.  Willie 
	Burton led the Gophers with 22, and Kevin Lynch added 19.  Melvin 
	Newbern, who burned Illinois last week, was held to 10.  Next for 
	Purdue: Saturday at #11 Indiana.  Next for Minnesota:  Saturday at 
	#10 Michigan.
 
 
Saturday:
 
	#8 ILLINOIS at #60 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#14 PURDUE at #11 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#57 IOWA at #33 MICHIGAN STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#81 WISCONSIN at #54 OHIO STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#6  MINNESOTA at #10 MICHIGAN  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#216 St. Bonaventure at #106 PENN STATE
 
Monday:
 
	#10 MICHIGAN at #8 ILLINOIS (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Michigan State 	2-0	1.000	13-2	.867
	 	Purdue		2-0	1.000	10-2	.833
	 	Indiana		2-1	 .667	12-1	.923
		Ohio State	2-1	 .667	 7-5	.583
		Illinois	1-1	 .500	11-1	.917
		Minnesota	1-1	 .500	10-2	.833
	 	Wisconsin	1-2	 .333	10-5	.667
		Michigan	0-1	 .000	10-2	.833
		Iowa		0-2	 .000	 8-4	.667
	 	Northwestern	0-2	 .000	 7-5	.583
		--------------------------------------------
		Penn State	1-2	 .333	 7-4	.636
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    Purdue overcomes Indiana at Indiana in OT from being down 17!
    
    Purdue on top at the Big Ten!
    
    My consolation for the weekend.
    
    Charles

>    Purdue overcomes Indiana at Indiana in OT from being down 17!

	How about some details, please?  All I saw was the final
	score.

	Anyone have Gene Keady's head-to-head record against Knight?
	He must be .500 or better.

	Eric Montross should consider Purdue.  Keady has never had
	a real center to work with, only 6'8" horses like Jim
	Rowinski and Stephen Scheffler.

        Purdue, 3-0 in the Big 10.  Unbelievable.
	

    I did not have the chance to watch the game (poor networks always show
    the Boilers more in an off year like last year, and since Purdue is
    always an overachieving team, in years when they are not expected to do
    well and not shown often on TV, they are most exciting.  Too bad).
    
    I think they were down in the first half at one point by 16 points,
    then close in to be down by 13 at the half.  Keady got a T in the first
    half.  In the second Purdue came out and scored 7 unanswered.  After
    the games was even, but IU began to get into foul trouble and the
    Purdue defense took over, holding IU to without a FG for the last 13
    minutes or so in regulation and OT I heard.  IU was up 2 and had the
    ball with about 20 or 30 seconds but could not score and turn over to 
    Purdue which tied at the end of regulation with 7 seconds left.  In OT
    Purdue took the tipoff and the lead and never looked back.  81-79!
    
    Charles

      What else could it be?
                                       Denny

    Both the men and women basketball team of Purdue are ranked in the AP
    poll this week, that must be a first!
    
    Both teams are 11-2 and leading the Big Ten.  The women team is #7 this
    week after knocking off another Top 10 team Iowa in Iowa City.  The men 
    team is #24 this week after defeating Top 25 teams Minnesota at home and 
    Indiana on the road.
    
    Here's hoping that the men's team can stay in the Top 25 longer....
    
    Go Boilers!
    
    Charles

    Purdue overcome Wisconsin at Madison winning by 2 points after trailing
    until the last minutes 56-54.  
    
    4-0 in the Big Ten.  Next up Saturday at home against Illinois, ouch!
    
    Charles

>    <<< Note 11.96 by MUSKIE::SHAUGHNESSY "taken from yesterday's paper" >>>
>
>			BIG TEN'S NO. 1

>The latest computer basketball ranking of the top conferences by Jeff 
>Sagarin, whose information is used by the NCAA in assembling its 64-team 
>tournament field:

>1.  Big Ten 		85.80 points
>2.  Big Eight 		85.28
>3.  Atlantic Coast	84.42
<4.  Big East		83.14
>5.  Pacific-10		79.96
>6.  Southeastern	79.90
>7.  Big West		78.49
>8.  Metro		78.37
>9.  Western Athletic	77.47
>10. Mid-American	76.15
>11. Missouri Valley	75.39
>12. American South	74.71
>13. Mid-Continent	73.58

	Gee, T; it's too bad that there weren't 9 other conference notes
you could post this in :^)

Jim M

Purdue kicked Illinois' butt Saturday to remain undefeated in the
Big 10 {5-0}.  Boilermakers were picked to finish around 5th-7th in
the league this year, but now have a one game lead over Michigan
State {another surprise} and a two game lead over everyone else.

Purdue's only two losses this year have been on the road at Long
Beach State by one and at Arizona by about 15.

    Re:.-1
    I saw one preseason thing that put Purdue 8th.
    
    Well I wouldn't jump to say that they will win it all.  There's a long
    way to go and tough road games in Michigan, Illinois, MSU, Minnesota,
    Iowa, OSU.....but so far it is a pleasant surprise...
    
    Charles

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-15-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: Great weekend, and great Monday, AGAIN!
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Sorry, off for Martin Luther King's Birthday, so this is somewhat old
by now, but do have the Michigan-Illinois result...
 
 
Saturday Results:
 
	#8 ILLINOIS 85, #60 NORTHWESTERN 78 (at Evanston):  This one
	was almost a carbon copy of the IU-NU game last Thursday.
	Very competitive for about 25 minutes, then the Cats run out
	of gas.  IU got 14 straight when down 46-40, then cruised,
	the Illini got a 25-7 run when down 47-43, and cruised.  Walker
	Lambiotte had his second straight tough game, netting just 8.
	Marcus Liberty ripped in 26, and Rodney Jones 15 as the big
	men led the way.  Next for Illinois:  Monday vs. #10 Michigan.
	Next for Northwestern:  Thursday at #6 Minnesota (ouch!).
 
	#14 PURDUE 81, #11 INDIANA 79 (OT) (at Bloomington):  This one
	has been well-documented already, but the Boilers, seemingly
	dead in the water down 36-20, with the red-clad crowd deafening,
	kept their heads, got back to a 54-all tie, then hung tough
	until Ryan Berning tied it at 73 with 35 ticks left to send it
	to OT.  Then, Steve Scheffler beat Mark Robinson for the tip,
	Purdue scored, and were never tied or trailed again.  Some
	clutch FTs late in OT by Berning clinched it.  IU was held to
	no FGs for some 13 minutes by the tough Purdue defense down the
	stretch.  A mob of some 1000 insomniacs greeted the team bus back 
	at Mackey Arena early Sunday...  Shades of the old days...   Next 
	for Purdue:  Wednesday at #81 Wisconsin.  Next for IU:  Thursday 
	at #57 Iowa.
 
	#33 MICHIGAN STATE 87, #57 IOWA 80 (at East Lansing):  The Spartans
	ripped out fast in the first half and made it count in keeping
	pace with Purdue at the top of the Big Ten.  Kirk Manns had 33,
	and MSU hit a school record 12 trifectas.  Steve Smith played
	with a partial cast on his left hand, but still managed 9.  Iowa
	is off to it's worst Big Ten start since JFK was president, in
	1963.  Next for MSU:  Thursday at #8 Illinois.  Next for Iowa:
	Thursday vs. #11 Indiana.
 
	#54 OHIO STATE 68, #81 WISCONSIN 53 (at Columbus):  In a defensive
	slugfest (Wisconsin likes those), the Buckeyes beat the Badgers at
	their own game.  OSU fell behind by 7 points with 8 minutes left
	in the game, but stormed back and blew the Badgers out of St. John's
	Arena.  Jimmy Jackson again led OSU with 19, and Perry Carter had
	18.  Larry Hisle, Jr. had 10 for Wisconsin.  Next for OSU:  
	Thursday at #10 Michigan.  Next for Wisconsin:  Wednesday vs.
	#14 Purdue.
 
	#10 MICHIGAN 87, #6 MINNESOTA 83 (at Ann Arbor):  In a game that
	could have gone either way (and a real fun one to watch), Michigan
	scored 11 straight to erase a 66-63 deficit late (74-66), then
	hung on for their lives.  The Gophers closed it to 74-73 with
	the help of a couple of uncontested treys, but Michigan again
	got ahead and held it.  Rumeal Robinson had 26 and Terry Mills
	23 for Michigan, while Melvin Newbern had 20 and Walter Bond
	19 for the Gophers.  Next for Michigan:  Monday at #8 Illinois.
	Next for Minnesota:  Thursday vs. #60 Northwestern.
 
	#106 PENN STATE 93, #216 St. Bonaventure 61 (at State College)
 
Tonight's Result:
 
	#10 MICHIGAN 74, #8 ILLINOIS 70 (at Champaign):  Just finished
	watching this one, and Illinois' problems blocking out inside
	and inability to handle Michigan's big people in general led to
	doom.  Steve Bardo finally came alive tonight, but it just
	wasn't enough.  Little P.J. Bowman was a star.  Of course,
	Michigan's stars were a little brighter...  Lou looked less than
	pleased at the conclusion.  Anybody know the dork who hit
	Rumeal Robinson in the head with the projectile as he exited
	the court at the end of the game?  Don't have any of the details,
	since I wasn't "allowed" to watch much of this one, but the
	Assembly Hall 28-game winning streak is over.  Next for Michigan:
	Thursday vs. #54 Ohio State.  Next for Illinois:  Thursday vs. 
	#33 Michigan State.
 
	#106 PENN STATE 64, Duquesne 56
 
Wednesday:
 
	#14 PURDUE at #81 WISCONSIN  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Thursday:
 
	#33 MICHIGAN STATE at #8 ILLINOIS  [7:00 pm CST]
	#11 INDIANA at #57 IOWA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#60 NORTHWESTERN at #6 MINNESOTA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#54 OHIO STATE at #10 MICHIGAN  (ESPN, 6:00 pm CST)
 
Saturday:
 
	#8  ILLINOIS at #14 PURDUE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#54 OHIO STATE at #6 MINNESOTA  (noon CST, Big Ten/Raycon)
	#60 NORTHWESTERN at #33 MICHIGAN STATE  (2:00 pm CST, Big Ten/Raycom)
	#10 MICHIGAN at #57 IOWA  [7:00 pm, CST]
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Michigan State 	3-0	1.000	14-2	.875
	 	Purdue		3-0	1.000	11-2	.846
		Ohio State	3-1	 .750	 8-5	.615
		Michigan	2-1	 .667	12-2	.857
	 	Indiana		2-2	 .500	12-2	.857
		Illinois	2-2	 .500	12-2	.857
		Minnesota	1-2	 .333	10-3	.769
	 	Wisconsin	1-3	 .250	10-6	.625
		Iowa		0-3	 .000	 8-5	.615
	 	Northwestern	0-3	 .000	 7-6	.538
		--------------------------------------------
		Penn State	3-2	 .600	 9-4	.692
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From: peppler@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-18-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: Wisconsin's losing streak reaches 25...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Last Night:
 
	#12 PURDUE 56, #83 WISCONSIN 54 (at Madison):  The streak is alive,
	and is now a whopping 25 after this nailbiter.  Purdue never led by
	more than 5 (at 7-2 and then 3 times late), and the Badgers never
	by more than 4 (twice, last with about 6 minutes left).  This has
	been typical of games in this series at Madison.  Tony Jones, who	
	scored 23 points, netted Purdue's final 12 points and 15 of it's
	last 17.  Steve Scheffler had 14 on 7-7 shooting.  He's only missed
	three FG attempts in four Big Ten games so far.  After Purdue led
	7-2, Wisconsin got into it and led 17-16 late in the first half.
	But Purdue put on a 9-4 run at the end of the half to lead 25-21.
	Wisconsin came out strong in the second half, and it appeared for
	a while that the streak would end.  They led 35-33 with just over
	11 minutes to go, and stretched it to 45-41 with just over 6 minutes
	left.  But, that's when Tony Jones took over.  The Boilers scored
	the games' next 8 points to lead 50-45, with most of them jumpers
	or driving shots by Jones.  But, with a 54-49 lead and under a 
	minute to go, Purdue started missing free throws.  In fact, Scheffler
	failed to convert on a 3-point play, then he, Jones, and Dave
	Barrett missed the front ends of bonuses in succession as Wisconsin
	was fouling to get back into the game.  However, the Badgers
	probably went to the 3-pointers too early, and missed all of them.
	The Badger inside game of Danny Jones and Patrick Thompkins had
	been very effective to that point, but that wasn't the strategy late.
	Still, with 11 seconds left and Purdue up 54-52, the Badgers called
	their last timeout to set up a defense for Purdue's inbound pass.
	But, Ryan Berning caught the Badgers with their pants down, throwing
	a 70-foot pass to Jones, who emphatically slammed it.  Danny Jones
	hit a jumper just before the horn for the final margin.  Jimmy
	Oliver hit three key shots in the second half for Purdue and finished
	with 11.  Danny Jones had 18 for Wisconsin, Thompkins netted 16,
	and Willie Simms had 12.  Tim Locum and Larry Hisle both went
	scoreless, as did Purdue guard Woody Austin.  Chuckie White was 0-5
	from the field, fouled out, and scored but 2 points.  Next for
	Purdue:  Saturday vs. #13 Illinois.  Next for Wisconsin:  Monday
	vs. #6 Minnesota.
 
Tonight:
 
	#47 OHIO STATE at #8 MICHIGAN  (ESPN, 6:00 pm CST)
	#34 MICHIGAN STATE at #13 ILLINOIS  (WGN, 7:00 pm CST)
	#11 INDIANA at #55 IOWA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#85 NORTHWESTERN at #6 MINNESOTA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#57 Massachusetts at #96 PeNn StAtE
 
Saturday:
 
	#47 OHIO STATE at #6 MINNESOTA  (noon CST, Big Ten/Raycon)
	#85 NORTHWESTERN at #34 MICHIGAN STATE  (2:00 pm CST, Big Ten/Raycom)
	#13 ILLINOIS at #12 PURDUE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#8  MICHIGAN at #55 IOWA  [7:00 pm, CST]
 
Sunday:
 
	#96 PeNn StAtE at #156 Rutgers
 
Next Monday:
 
	#6 MINNESOTA at #83 WISCONSIN  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		4-0	1.000	12-2	.857
	 	Michigan State 	3-0	1.000	14-2	.875
		Ohio State	3-1	 .750	 8-5	.615
		Michigan	2-1	 .667	12-2	.857
	 	Indiana		2-2	 .500	12-2	.857
		Illinois	2-2	 .500	12-2	.857
		Minnesota	1-2	 .333	10-3	.769
	 	Wisconsin	1-4	 .200	10-7	.588
		Iowa		0-3	 .000	 8-5	.615
	 	Northwestern	0-3	 .000	 7-6	.538
		--------------------------------------------
		Penn State	3-2	 .600	 9-4	.692
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    did Wisconsin hang on for the win last night against Minnesota??
    
    dozed off as usual....
    
    mike

    Gophs continue to suck air on the road.  Wisconsin came from behind
    at the end and won it at the buzzer.  Gophs were down 21 with twelve
    minutes to go before the big comeback.  It's too bad they've played
    so bad at Purdue and Wisconsin for 3/4 the game and then come on
    like supermen, only to lose.  This team has to get its road act
    together.
    
    
    Spud

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From: peppler@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-19-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: No surprises...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Last Night:
 
	#8  MICHIGAN 90, #47 OHIO STATE 88 (at Ann Arbor):  The Michigan
	team survived a big-league scare from Ohio State in this wild
	one.  Michigan had just a 47-46 halftime lead, and fell behind
	by seven midway through the second half before going on a tear
	to take a 74-68 lead with 6:32 to play.  With 1:03 left, Michigan
	led 85-79, but there was a lot of scoring left to be done, mostly
	from the stripe.  Alex Davis of OSU missed a trey from halfcourt 
	at the horn.  Demetrius Calip led UM with 19 (5 in double figures),
	while Perry Carter had a career-high 29 for State.  65 foul shots
	were taken in this game. The OSU press bothered Michigan.  Next for 
	Michigan:  Saturday at #55 Iowa.  Next for OSU:  Saturday at #6 
	Minnesota.
 
	#13 ILLINOIS 73, #34 MICHIGAN STATE 64 (at Champaign):  Marcus
	Liberty had a great game, scoring 26, as Illinois built up a
	16 point lead, had it shaved to 3, then pulled away to give MSU
	it's first league loss.  Illinois led 34-21 at halftime, though
	it could have been larger, and was ahead 49-33 with 13 minutes
	left before MSU got hot.  With just 7 minutes left, a Spartan
	21-8 run left the score at 57-54.  But, Illinois followed with a
	14-2 run to lead 71-56, and that was it.  Steve Smith led MSU
	with 18.  MSU had just 8 assists, as most of it's shots were
	of the free-lance variety, maybe not the greatest way to run an
	offense against Illinois.  Next for Illinois:  Saturday at #12
	Purdue.  Next for MSU:  Saturday vs. #85 Northwestern.
 
	#11 INDIANA 83, #55 IOWA 79 (at Iowa City):  IU trailed 41-36 at
	the half, but took control in the second half and held off a
	Hawkeye charge for a big road win.  Pat Graham's trifecta with
	18 seconds left iced it.  The Hawkeyes' 0-4 Big Ten start is
	their worst since 1932.  This was IU's first win in Iowa City
	since 1984.  Eric Anderson led the Hoosiers with 18, while frosh
	Todd Leary added 14.  Les Jepsen had 21 for Iowa.  Tom Davis'
	name has been linked recently with the Virginia head coaching
	spot to be vacated by Terry Holland at the end of the season.
	Next for IU:  Wednesday vs. #34 Michigan State.  Next for Iowa:
	Saturday vs. #8 Michigan (ouch!).
 
	#6  MINNESOTA 97, #85 NORTHWESTERN 75 (at Minneapolis):  The Gophers
	romped in this one as three Northwestern players (Brian Schwabe, ???)
	were suspended by coach Bill Foster.  The Gophers, coming off of two-
	game road losing streak, led 40-14 and never looked back.  Willie
	Burton had 19 as six Gophers hit double figures.  Rex Walters had
	19 for the Cats.  Next for Minnesota:  Saturday vs. #47 Ohio State.
	Next for Northwestern:  Saturday at #34 Michigan State.
 
	#96 PeNn StAtE 74, #57 Massachusetts 71 (at State College):  Next for
	PeNn StAtE:  Sunday at #156 Rutgers.
 
Saturday:
 
	#47 OHIO STATE at #6 MINNESOTA  (noon CST, Big Ten/Raycon)
	#85 NORTHWESTERN at #34 MICHIGAN STATE  (2:00 pm CST, Big Ten/Raycom)
	#13 ILLINOIS at #12 PURDUE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#8  MICHIGAN at #55 IOWA  [7:00 pm, CST]
 
Sunday:
 
	#96 PeNn StAtE at #156 Rutgers
 
Monday:
 
	#6 MINNESOTA at #83 WISCONSIN  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
Wednesday:
 
	#34 MICHIGAN STATE at #11 INDIANA
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		4-0	1.000	12-2	.857
		Michigan	3-1	 .750	13-2	.867
	 	Michigan State 	3-1	 .750	14-3	.824
	 	Indiana		3-2	 .600	13-2	.867
		Illinois	3-2	 .600	13-2	.867
		Ohio State	3-2	 .600	 8-6	.571
		Minnesota	2-2	 .500	11-3	.786
	 	Wisconsin	1-4	 .200	10-7	.588
		Iowa		0-4	 .000	 8-6	.571
	 	Northwestern	0-4	 .000	 7-7	.500
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	4-2	 .667	10-4	.714
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-21-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: One shocker...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Date: 21 Jan 90 21:40:12 GMT
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Posted: Sun Jan 21 13:40:12 1990
 
 
Yesterday:
 
	#6  MINNESOTA 83, #47 OHIO STATE 78 (at Minneapolis):  In a
	well-played game on both ends, the Gophers dealt the Buckeyes
	yet another close road loss.  A couple of times the Gophers
	threatened to put the game away, but OSU stormed back each
	time.  Minnesota was up 41-33 at the break, and led 50-39
	early in the second half, but at the one-minute mark was only
	up 77-73.  Great foul shooting down the stretch iced it.  The
	biggest difference in this one was rebounding, as the Gophers
	enjoyed a 42-24 advantage.  The Gophers have now won 11 straight
	at The Barn, and 23 of the last 24 (lost to IU last season).
	Willie Burton again led Minnesota with 19, while Jim Jackson
	and Chris Jent each had 18 for OSU, which has a bright future,
	maybe as early as this Thursday.  Next for Minnesota:  Monday at 
	#83 Wisconsin.  Next for OSU: Thursday vs. #12 Purdue.
 
	#34 MICHIGAN STATE 91, #85 NORTHWESTERN 80 (at East Lansing): 
	MSU blew a 21-point lead, but held on anyway to beat the
	Wildcats.  Northwestern cut the lead to 7 late, but Kirk Manns
	came through at the stripe to win it.  He hit 6 FT's in the 
	final 1:12.  Jud Heathcote was not pleased with his team's
	inability to hold a lead.  Manns led the Spartans with 21,
	while Rex Walters had 24 for NU.  Walker Lambiotte's slump
	continued, as he could only must 12 points on 4-13 shooting.
	Next for MSU:  Wednesday at #11 Indiana.  Next for NU:  Thursday
	vs. #8 Michigan.
 
	#12 PURDUE 81, #13 ILLINOIS 68 (at West Lafayette):  Purdue
	seized control of this game early, set it's tempo, and came
	away with a fairly easy win.  Steve Scheffler opened the game
	by missing his first shot to end his streak of 16 straight
	(he then proceeded to make his other 7 shots), but Purdue
	got the first hoop, led 8-2, extended it to 17-7, and doubled
	Illinois at 26-13 before Illinois closed it to 33-24 at the
	break.  Woody Austin opened the second half with a trey to
	make it 36-24, but the Illini dominated the next 3 minutes
	and got as close as 42-36.  But, Purdue put the game away
	during the next several minutes with some great transition
	basketball, scoring 10 straight to lead 52-36, and got it
	up to 64-42 (it's biggest lead) with just over 8 minutes
	remaining.  The closest Illinois got thereafter was 65-52
	and the final score.  The Boilers opened the advantage to 69-52
	before the teams traded baskets (or FT's) the rest of the way.
	Scheffler, who scored 20 to lead Purdue, has made 33 of 37 
	field goal attempts in Big Ten play.  Illinois managed to 
	make it respectable at the end due to some great long-range
	shooting by Steve Bardo and hustle by Kendall Gill.  Purdue
	enjoyed a huge advantage at the stripe (38-5) and in fouls
	(27-10), as Illinois continually fouled Purdue when shooting
	and committing silly fouls in transition.  Illinois' rotating
	trio of centers (Small, Jones, and Kpedi) had no luck against
	Scheffler, going 2-7 from the field, snaring just 7 rebounds,
	and collecting 8 fouls.  In addition to his 20 points, Scheffler
	had 9 rebounds.  Nobody fouled out despite the disparity in
	fouls.  Kendall Gill led Illinois with 23.  Lou Henson, who got
	his first "T" of the year in response to Phil Bova's remark
	that Steve Fisher outcoached him last Monday in the Michigan
	game, said after the game, "We just got a good, old-fashioned
	whipping.  We had no fire.  They hurt us on the boards early,
	and they outplayed us all the way around.  Purdue has a top
	center and a top guard, and that's a good way to start in building
	a team.  We've never had a post man who makes all his shot."
	Purdue had 20 assists to Illinois' 12.  Illinois is now 3-18 in
	Mackey Arena.  In league play over the last nine years, Purdue is
	102-46, Indiana is 102-47, and Illinois is 101-49.  Next for 
	Purdue:  Thursday at #47 Ohio State.  Next for Illinois:  Thursday 
	at #83 Wisconsin.
 
	#55 IOWA 78, #8 MICHIGAN 76 (OT) (at Iowa City):  This game
	just kept getting closer and closer as the second half
	wore on, and finally went to overtime as Iowa pulled one out
	of the fire and got a huge win.  It was the same story for
	Michigan, as it blew a another huge lead and game.  The
	Wolves led 44-33 at the half, and extended it to 62-47 with	
	11:24 to play when Iowa used a 24-9 run the rest of the
	second half to tie it at 71 at the end of regulation.  Michael
	Ingram's layup with :39 left in regulation tied it, and Les Jepsen's 
	two FT's with 6 seconds left in OT (he was fouled by Rumeal Robinson 
	on a rather long jump shot) won it.  His first FT bounced around the 
	rim a while before falling through and the second swished.  Robinson
	then drove the length of the floor and missed an off-balance
	lay-up at the buzzer (but one we've all seen him make before).
	Jepsen had 19 and Matt Bullard 23 for Iowa, while Robinson had
	28 for Michigan, 22 in the first half.  Next for Iowa:  Thursday
	at #6 Minnesota.  Next for Michigan:  Thursday at #85 Northwestern.
 
 
Today:
 
	#96 PeNn StAtE at #156 Rutgers
 
Monday:
 
	#6 MINNESOTA at #83 WISCONSIN  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
Tuesday:
 
	#96 PeNn StAtE at #228 St. Bonaventure
 
Wednesday:
 
	#34 MICHIGAN STATE at #11 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Thursday:
 
	#13 ILLINOIS at #83 WISCONSIN  (WGN, 7:00 pm CST)
	#55 IOWA at #6 MINNESOTA  [ESPN, 8:30 pm CST]
	#8  MICHIGAN at #85 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#12 PURDUE at #47 OHIO STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Saturday:
 
	#47 OHIO STATE at #13 ILLINOIS  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#34 MICHIGAN STATE at #8 MICHIGAN  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#83 WISCONSIN at #85 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#55 IOWA at #12 PURDUE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#159 George Washington at #96 PeNn StAtE
 
Next Sunday:
 
	#11 INDIANA at #6 MINNESOTA  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)  (Finally!)
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		5-0	1.000	13-2	.867
	 	Michigan State 	4-1	 .800	15-3	.833
	 	Indiana		3-2	 .600	13-2	.867
		Michigan	3-2	 .600	13-3	.813
		Minnesota	3-2	 .600	12-3	.800
		Illinois	3-3	 .500	13-3	.813
		Ohio State	3-3	 .500	 8-7	.533
	 	Wisconsin	1-4	 .200	10-7	.588
		Iowa		1-4	 .200	 9-6	.600
	 	Northwestern	0-5	 .000	 7-8	.467
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	4-2	 .667	10-4	.714
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    According to what I read on the net and from the Champaign-Urbana News-
    Gazette, during the Illinois-Purdue game, Lou Henson was hit with a T 
    when he kept on complaining to the ref, Phil Bova, who also officiated 
    the Illinois-Michigan game, about the ref on that Monday night.  The ref 
    was apparently tired of all the insults and bitterness of Henson, and 
    told Henson, "You were outcoached," and hit him with a T in the Purdue 
    game.                                                   
    
    Ha, I never thought ol' Lou would do anything like this!
    
    Charles

    
    Mike,
    With 10 seconds left Minny had the ball and threw up a shot, probably
    too soon and not a good shot. Wisconsin got the rebound and it appeared
    that the guy with the ball (sorry don't know the names, I can't stand
    Vitale and had the sound off) lost the handle, traveled and lost it out
    of bounds. Wisconsin got the ball under the basket none the less with 1
    second left. Amazingly the Badgers big man was permitted to go straight
    to the hoop where he received a perfect inbounds lob pass that he
    slammed home for the win. The Badgers fans went wild, flooding the
    floor.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    
    Thanks guy. I agree with ya T about being wide open so aren't the
    rest of the conferences for that matter. I do wish they'd flipflop
    these games every week, I might just see more big ten games through
    to the finish....It helps my handicapping come NCAA's.....
    
    
    mike

    I heard one of the Gopher coaches on the radio last night, talking
    about Newbern's last shot.  He said the crowd was counting down
    the clock, but was about 5 seconds ahead of the real time left.
    That's why Newbern panicked and tossed up the bad shot.  You'd think
    a senior would know better.
    
    
    Spud

    Re:.-1
    
    That's a good way to put the sixth man truly *into* the game !!

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From: peppler@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-23-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: Fantastic finish...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Jan23.174941.4972@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 23 Jan 90 17:49:41 GMT
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Last Night:
 
	#83 WISCONSIN 77, #6 MINNESOTA 75 (at Madison): "UNBELIEVABLE, BABY!!"
	This was the best game I've seen on the tube or in person so far.
	Wisconsin totally dominated the first 28 minutes, then the Gophers
	got hot and turned a 21-point deficit into a 2-point advantage faster
	than you can say "Dick Vitale", then Wisconsin coach Steve Yoder
	diagrammed a one-second play which COULD be done in 0.1 seconds!
	Incredible.  Wisconsin played probably it's best half of the season
	in the first half, taking a 38-25 lead and looking great in the
	process.  It continued during the first 8 minutes of the second
	half, as the lead ballooned to 57-36.  But, Kevin Lynch hit 2 straight
	bombs to cut it to 57-42, then the rest of the Gophers caught fire,
	and before you knew it, it was 64-60, and the Badgers went into
	panic mode.  The Gophers actually led by 2 at one point (I forget
	the score now), but Wisconsin hung in there, and after the Gophers
	missed a chance to win it (Newbern missed with about 8 ticks left),
	the Badgers got a break with an out-of-bounds call with one second
	left (could have been travelling, but a tough one).  It was after
	a TO that the often-maligned Kent Portmann (even Vitale was on his
	case last night) threw a perfect inbounds alley-oop pass to 
	the large Patrick Tompkins, who streaked down the lane, caught
	the ball in mid-air, and slammed it in over two Gophers at the horn!
	The mob scene on the floor afterwards was incredible via TV (I
	bet it was even better to be there!).  It even looked like the
	band participated in it.  If you were at the game and missed
	Vitale, he went absolutely nuts!!  Two questions:  Why does it
	take Minnesota so long to get into the flow on the road?  This
	game was very much like their loss at Purdue, though much less
	dramatic.  And, what is Wisconsin's problem?  It's like they
	have themselves convinced that they can't win!  I've never seen
	such a large lead evaporate so quickly...  Next for the Badgers:
	Thursday vs. #13 Illinois.  Next for the Gophers:  Thursday vs.
	#55 Iowa.
 
 
Tonight:
 
	#96 PeNn StAtE at #228 St. Bonaventure
 
Wednesday:
 
	#34 MICHIGAN STATE at #11 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Thursday:
 
	#13 ILLINOIS at #83 WISCONSIN  (WGN, 7:00 pm CST)
	#55 IOWA at #6 MINNESOTA  [ESPN, 8:30 pm CST]
	#8  MICHIGAN at #85 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#12 PURDUE at #47 OHIO STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Saturday:
 
	#47 OHIO STATE at #13 ILLINOIS  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#34 MICHIGAN STATE at #8 MICHIGAN  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#83 WISCONSIN at #85 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#55 IOWA at #12 PURDUE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#159 George Washington at #96 PeNn StAtE
 
Sunday:
 
	#11 INDIANA at #6 MINNESOTA  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)  (Finally!)
 
Next Monday:
 
	#13 ILLINOIS at #55 IOWA  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		5-0	1.000	13-2	.867
	 	Michigan State 	4-1	 .800	15-3	.833
	 	Indiana		3-2	 .600	13-2	.867
		Michigan	3-2	 .600	13-3	.813
		Illinois	3-3	 .500	13-3	.813
		Minnesota	3-3	 .500	12-4	.750
		Ohio State	3-3	 .500	 8-7	.533
	 	Wisconsin	2-4	 .333	11-7	.611
		Iowa		1-4	 .200	 9-6	.600
	 	Northwestern	0-5	 .000	 7-8	.467
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	4-3	 .571	10-5	.667
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From: kclenden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kevin Clendenien)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Big Ten Coaches
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Well, since the subject was brought up, let's see how our favorite Big
Ten coaches have performed.  These records include only games in which
they were the head coach of a Big Ten University.
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                Big Ten Records
 
                                     HEATH-
         HENSON KNIGHT  DAVIS FISHER  COTE HASKINS FOSTER  AYERS  KEADY  YODER
         ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------
1971-72           9- 5
1972-73          11- 3*
1973-74          12- 2@
1974-75          18- 0*
1975-76    7-11  18- 0*
1976-77    8-10  11- 7                 9- 9
1977-78    7-11  12- 6                15- 3#
1978-79    7-11  10- 8                13- 5
1979-80    8-10  13- 5*                6-12
1980-81   12- 6  14- 4*                7-11                       10- 8
1981-82   10- 8  12- 6                 7-11                       11- 7
1982-83   11- 7  13- 5*                9- 9                       11- 7   0-18
1983-84   15- 3@ 13- 5                 9- 9                       15- 3@  0-18
1984-85   12- 6   7-11                10- 8                       11- 7   5-13
1985-86   11- 7  13- 5                12- 6                       11- 7   4-14
1986-87   13- 5  15- 3@ 14- 4          6-12   2-16   2-16         15- 3@  4-14
1987-88   12- 6  11- 7  12- 6          5-13   4-14   2-16         16- 2*  6-12
1988-89   14- 4  15- 3* 10- 8          6-12   9- 9   2-16          8-10   9- 9
 
B10 WINS   147    227     36      0    114     15      6      0    108     28
B10 LOSS   105     85     18      0    120     39     48      0     54     98
B10 %     .583   .728   .667          .483   .278   .111          .667   .222 
 
NCAA
APPEAR      9      13      5      1      5      1      0      0      7      0  
ANCES
 
NCAA
CHAMPIONS   0       3      0      1      1      0      0      0      0      0
 
LONGEST
STREAK   83-89   80-84  87-89    89    85-86   89                  83-88
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* - Big Ten Champion     @ - Big Ten Co-Champion     # - Big Ten Tri-Champion
 
 
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kclenden@silver.bacs.indiana.edu                          Kevin Clendenien
BLoomington Atari ST users group                          BLAST, President
BLAST BBS - (812) 332-0573                                FNET node #141

    From the previous data, in terms of Big Ten league winning percentage
    the ranking is as follows:
              
    			  Before this season	  Include this season 
    			W-L          Pecentage 	W-L	     Percentage
    1. Knight		227-85	     .728	230-87	     .726
    2. Keady		108-54       .667       113-54	     .677
    3. Davis		36-18	     .667       37-22        .627
    4. Henson	        147-105	     .583       150-108      .581
    5. Heathcote    	114-120      .483       118-121      .494
    6. Haskins		15-39        .278       18-42        .300
    7. Yoder		28-98	     .222       30-102       .227
    8. Foster		6-48         .111       6-53         .102
    
    *. Fisher					3-2	     .600
    *. Ayers					3-3	     .500
    
    * rookie coaches

It looks like Michigan is going to draw NCAA and Big 10 probation and
sanctions for its baseball program. The alleged violations involve
illegal payments to former players, up to $70K.

This would be the first probation of for any Michigan team.

TTom

    
    But Bo doesn't cheat....~/~
    
    very interesting TTom, almost as interesting as the 110 pounds of coke
    they found in Noreiga's office suddenly becoming a bonding agent?
    Didn't realize Manuel was a carpenter also...~/~
    
    mike

       Make sure yer wearing your Depends under-garments to the game
    that night T!
    
   
                                               Denny

    Dang /Don, insult collision or what!
                              Denny

    T's copyin' me again.  Only diff is I've been to the Mountain.  At best
    meeting Bob will be like standing on a (small) hill.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

MrT, wanna bet that if the Hooisers are down at the half, that the
short-fingered vulgarian Bob will "forget" his commitment to schmoozing
with deep-pocketed alumguys like you.    

You wouldn't be looking for a Grad-school, WMD scholarship would you?

       Will the Big10 Teevee Net. (ESPN) be carrying this X-rated event?
                                     Denny

    
    Good for you T, glad to hear it. I met Bird, Hondo and Bob Orr one
    night, I thought it was just about the greatest thing I had ever done.
    Then I got married and had kids. Getting married wasn't as big a deal
    but having the kids was... ;^)
    
    if you get a chance ask him why he didn't slap some sense into Isiah
    for me....
    
    mike

    Yea, ask him about TheCop, Isiah, Funderburke, TheFan, TheBook,
    TheRussians, TheChair, Cleveland State, beer, Steve Alford and posters,
    and CoachK.
    
    Who knows - you might get more than a handshake!
    
    Hah hah!!!!!111
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

       Hey Chris, you forgot "lay back and enjoy it"!
                                       Denny

    A long, long, long time ago, in a SPORTS file that's now far away ...
    
    I wrote a rather humorous (at least I thought so) piece on MrT and Bob
    having drinks at a local pub.  Oh how I wish somebody could restore it
    off a backup or something, cause it could have new significance with
    this rather unbelievable turn of events.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

	The University of Illinois has announced that, because there
	are serious matters left unresolved, highly-rated freshman
	Deon Thomas will definitely not play for the remainder of the
	season.  In addition, the university-imposed ban on on-the-road
	recruiting by the assistant coach involved in the allegations
	will continue.

	To remind everyone, Iowa coaches supposedly have a tape of
	Thomas telling them that he had been offered [a car?] and tens
	of thousands of dollars to attend Illinois.

	Look's like Lou's Do may be goin' down.

tom

    Is that true ???
    
    Recruiting violations at the University Of Illinois ???
    
    Oh, the shame of it all ...
    
    Bob Hunt

    Illinois, it's not the first time there....they're the the shame of the
    conference no doubt...

    Yeah T, tell us... did Bob-BY "lay back and enjoy it?"
    
    :*)
    
    
    Spud

    71-57 Michigan State or somewhere in that range.
    
    John

    75-57.  Worst defeat *EVER* for IU at Assembly Hall.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

       Couldn'ta happened to a knicer guy!
                                 Denny

    re .141
    
    ... and you thought the T-hype of last years Hoos was bad ("no jumping,
    underside front line "ect ....), wait until this year !   
    
    He's just warming up ....

    SOS (Same Old Story):
    
    When they win it's the coaching.  When they lose it's the talent.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-25-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: It was MSU's night...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Date: 25 Jan 90 17:55:02 GMT
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Posted: Thu Jan 25 09:55:02 1990
 
 
Last Night:
 
	#28 MICHIGAN STATE 75, #10 INDIANA 57 (at Bloomington):  Wow,
	again.  The only part of the game I was able to listen to:  I
	picked up WOWO, 1190 am, out of Fort Wayne.  Don Fischer, the
	best college basketball radio announcer around (yes, he is), was
	describing a pretty wild sequence where Kirk Manns missed
	two straight treys sandwiched between IU rebounds and turnovers.
	It was up and down the floor, definitely not the style Bob Knight 
	prefers.  The crowd was uncharacteristically quiet at the Hall.  Hmmm..
	Finally, the Spartans got it back again and someone else missed, but
	Manns had the shot AGAIN and drilled the three.  The crowd groaned.
	Manns already had 18 points, as Fischer unhappily pointed out.  Then,
	he said, "And the Michigan State Spartans now lead the Hoosiers
	56-39".  I almost fell over.  This couldn't have been the same
	Spartan team that looked so selfish and chaotic last Thursday in 
	Champaign.  But, Jud does know how to win in Bloomington.  Perhaps 
	MSU, with it's "first quality win" (as the writers would point out,
	because to hell with their Shootout title and various other good wins 
	vs. teams like Ohio State under it's belt), will get the due it has 
	deserved all along in the polls.  The footage the sports shows later
	presented revealed great passing and general offensive movement by
	the Spartans, along with some excellent defense.  Kirk Manns had a
	monster game.  IU started off with the first 8 points, but MSU
	tied it after a timeout, and the rout was on.  Next for MSU:
	Saturday at #11 Michigan.  Next for IU:  Sunday at #9 Minnesota
	(the Hoosiers have a tremendous winning streak at Williams Arena
	on the line in this one).
 
Tonight:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS at #61 WISCONSIN  (WGN, 7:00 pm CST)
	#42 IOWA at #9 MINNESOTA  [ESPN, 8:30 pm CST]
	#11 MICHIGAN at #91 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#12 PURDUE at #32 OHIO STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Saturday:
 
	#32 OHIO STATE at #14 ILLINOIS  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#28 MICHIGAN STATE at #11 MICHIGAN  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#61 WISCONSIN at #91 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#42 IOWA at #12 PURDUE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#180 George Washington at #94 PeNn StAtE
 
Sunday:
 
	#10 INDIANA at #9 MINNESOTA  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
 
Next Monday:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS at #42 IOWA  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST) (Be sure to catch
	ESPN's halftime report about the Deon Thomas situation, involving
	both of these teams.  This one could get ugly.)
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		5-0	1.000	13-2	.867
	 	Michigan State 	5-1	 .833	16-3	.842
		Michigan	3-2	 .600	13-3	.813
	 	Indiana		3-3	 .500	13-3	.813
		Illinois	3-3	 .500	13-3	.813
		Minnesota	3-3	 .500	12-4	.750
		Ohio State	3-3	 .500	 8-7	.533
	 	Wisconsin	2-4	 .333	11-7	.611
		Iowa		1-4	 .200	 9-6	.600
	 	Northwestern	0-5	 .000	 7-8	.467
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(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	5-3	 .625	11-5	.688
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    Despite Illinois AD Mackovic's own investigation and sanctions for
    Thomas and the assistant coach (Collins?) the NCAA will likely probe
    for a full investigation itself, making Illinois eligible for the death
    penalty since its football program is still in probation.  
    
    Can't help but feel sorry for poor ol' Lou.  He should have retired
    before this, like they all do.
    
    Charles

    Gawd I hate this.  Why not just fess up to the fact that you and your
    Hucksters got yer butts kicked last night.  Does it *really* make you
    feel better knowing you were undermanned?  Does this somehow make
    defeat (humiliating defeat in this case) easier?  
    
    If it does, congrats.  As for me, losing always hurts, and it doesn't
    matter if it's in the NCAA Tourney, an ACC game, a network matchup,
    or whatever.  And one more thing.  If you can beat Michigan (probably
    the most talented team in the country) with no talent, you shoulda been
    able to at least stay in the game against a Michigan State team that's
    not exactly 1979 reincarnated.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    At no point have I ever stated Bob wasn't coaching his socks off.  I'm
    sure he is.  Trouble is, as Bob found in '76, '81, '84, and '87, it
    takes talent to win.  (More on that in a minute.)
    
    The thing I've grown weary of is your predictable "We've got no
    talent!" excuse everytime the Hucksters lose.  So what?  Who cares? 
    Big deal.
    
    Now about that talent thing.  Ever ask yourself *why* you've got no
    talent?  It couldn't possibly be that the average parent of a
    McDonald's All-American doesn't want to send their son off to 4 years of
    BobCamp (tm) where he'll be subjected to the well-documented
    "eccentricities" (I'm being kind here) of a borderline raving lunatic,
    now could it?  [yes]
    
    Just fess up T.  Bob's a great coach.  He gets the most out of his
    players.  But he's also (at times) crazy.  He drives off more talent
    than most coaches ever get in their lifetime.  Funderburke is just the
    latest example.  Most importantly though, WHY DON'T YOU JUST COME TO
    THE SIMPLE REALIZATION THAT THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING A COACH
    *MUST* DO IS RECRUIT, AND IF HE'S NOT DOING THAT WELL IT'S NOBODY'S
    FAULT BUT HIS OWN.  Put another way, if Bob's got no big guys it's HIS
    FAULT, and it doesn't make those losses any less painful I'm sure.
    
    hah!!!
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    
    

    Face facks T, KNIGHT GOT OUTCOACHED. END OF DISCUSSION !
    
    > "I just hope they make the tourney.
    
    HAHAHAHHAHAAAAA !
    
    Too funny.
    
    Last year, all you boasted about was IU's awesome recruiting class,
    and how Bobby Fright would mold them into a Wooden-like dynasty.
    
    Now, you're trying to cover your plate-holding derrierre ....
    
    I'm rooooollwaaarrd ....

Here we go Chris, I'm issuing you a challange, let's see if you take it on like
a man or beg off like a wimp.  You call yourself objective but I've failed to
see it once.  The problem is your ego always gets in the way........

Please explain to me, how by not knowing someone personally, you can call
someone a borderline raving lunatic(and that's being kind, right?)?  So Bob
yells at his players, BFD, so does 90% of all coaches in the game.  Hell my HS
coach was the biggest a$$hole in the world on the court because he was a fierce
competitor but off the court he was one hell of a nice guy who do anything you
asked of him.  You're really showing your ignorance by attacking a man's
persona when you've had absolutely no contact with him at all.  

Now the question is are you being so blatently ignorant because you want to get
certain noTers in here pissed off or are you really, truly that ignorant? 
What's it gonna be ACC, man or wimp?

Now I'm not going to try and defend Bob in here like I have in the past because
some of the mistakes he's made have been very stupid and he's admitted to that.

I was very disappointing event occurred when Knight pulled his team off against
the Russians.  I still cannot justify this act, no matter how bad the
officiating was.  It was an embarrassing day for myself as an I.U. supporter
and an embarrassing day for the university.
                                          
I also was disappointed when he did throw the chair to protest a call. 
Knight's temper is definitely not an appealing quality, but in all fairness
you do only see his temper on the basketball court.  That is his battlefield
and when he is away from the court, he is one of the nicest people around.
You rarely see an outburst and if you do, it is brief.  His temperament on
the court is admittedly one of his weaker areas and he has worked very hard
to improve himself in that area.  I think it really showed this year, as
he has not received a technical foul call since the 86-87 season.  I think
his divorce and new marriage has alot to do with his success in controlling
his temper.

At times he can be abnormally hard on players, which sometimes causes
mixed-emotions since he can also be very sincere and caring with them.
It is a classic love-hate relationship.  The players that I've talked
to have told me that they care for Knight dearly, but there were times that
they hated him.  They seem to appreciate him more as they grow older and
very few end up having a bad relationship with him

Everyone has to realize that Knight is a person, just like you and me. 
He has his strong qualities and his weak points.  The reasons why I defend
him in here are because: 1) He is not even close to being the type of person
that the media portrays him to be and 2) because several noters in here
have a clouded view of Knight as a person and I'm just providing some
information.  The reader of my notes can take my notes anyway that they want;
they can read them for what they are(information from a different perspective
then what they are used to seeing) or they can brush it off as nonsense
from a biased observer.

So Chris, attack Knight as a coach on the basketball court because there you
have tangible evidence of his faults or strenghts on the court but don't attack
him personally because you don't have a leg to stand on?  And don't give me the
argument of what you've read, If you truly believe everything you've read than
maybe I've misjudged you and you are truly ignorant(but I really don't think
you are, but you're reply will prove to me if you are or not).

Cap
    
    

    The reason I'm writing these notes is that I'm tired of reading
    and writing all this petty, BS, Soap Opera trash.  Here are my honest
    feelings of Dean Smith(and you can use this as my entry to the contest
    if you like but I really doubt if you'd give a Hoosier those tickets
    anyway).
    
    Dean Smith is one of the best coaches that the game has known, which
    can be seen by his ACC Conference Titles, NCAA titles and his
    incredible run of consecutive NCAA appearances. He is a model of 
    consistency, teaches great fundamentals and runs a very clean program
    which stresses academics, sportsmanship and great basketball.  He
    is, with the exception of John Wooden, the greatest recruitor in
    the game and constantly supplies UNC with great talent.  Another
    mark of a good coach is the success of the men who trained under
    him.  Many of his players go on to stardom in the NBA and the assistant
    coaches who worked under him are successful in the college game.
    
    Now on the down side, he honestly has had the most talent of any
    coach since John Wooden.  For whatever reason (and maybe this is unfair)
    his teams have not been able to live up to the expectations that
    are placed on them during the season.  Call it choking or whatever
    you want the fact remains that with the talent he has had in the
    late 70's and 80's, he should have walked away with more titles
    than just one.  I can think of several NC squads that were much
    more talented than the IU squads that won in the 80's.  Also he
    at times gets outcoached in game situations, now don't take me wrong
    he's a good game coach, but since the shot clock was instituted
    he tends to let his teams play undisciplined(When he ran the 4-corners,
    UNC was the most disciplined team in the country) and it costs them
    when they are playing teams that are either as athletic as they
    are(like Maryland this year) or teams that play patient and smart(like 
    Duke or Indiana).
    
    All in all, Dean is good for the game and should go down as one
    of the better coaches in basketball history.
    
    Cap
    

    
    For the idiots who've entered the comments about the 'lay back and
    enjoy' comments that Knight said.  Here for the last time is the
    real story.....
    
    Knight was using a phrase to prove a point.  At no time did he mean
    the act of physical rape which he opposes.  It was a figure of speech,
    arguebly not the best one that he could have used, but he didn't
    mean it in the context that NBC made it out to be. The quote, which Connie
    Chung and NBC conveniently cut in half in order to get bigger ratings,
    included the following statement from Knight, which was in the same
    sentence as the 'lay back and enjoy it' comment:
    
    "Of course I don't mean the physical act of rape........"
    
    NBC edited that statement out of the interview so that it appeared
    that Knight said something controversial when he actually did not.
    
    Cap
                                                    
    
    

    This should stir up some conversation....
    
    My grandmother sent me a tape of Knight on a local talk show.  Here
    were some of the topics that he talked on....
    
    On Sportswriters
    ----------------
    
    Knight:  "Very few sportswriters know their sports.  Alot of them
    have never played and alot of them have never sat down to talk to
    the coaches about how the game is played.  I'm not interested in
    writers who entertain or go for character assasination."
    
    On regrets about treating his players
    -------------------------------------
    
    Knight:  "No not in the long run.  I go home sometimes and feel
    very bad about what's gone on at practice and if I'm guilty of anything
    it's overkill."
    
    John Thompson
    -------------
    
    Knight:  "I like John Thompson, he's a man of conviction"
    
    His Best team ever
    ------------------
    
    Knight:  "The 1975 team was the best one, even though they didn't
    win the championship.  Great defense and the best offense"
    
    Michael Jordon
    --------------
    
    Knight:  "The best I've ever seen or coached.  A great basketball 
    player and a great athelete, the best combination of both."
    
    On Coaching
    ----------
    
    Knight:  "I'm an anachronism....I'm not coaching in my era, I'm
    20 years behind my time."
    
    Larry Bird
    ----------
    
    Knight:  "A great basketball player and a fairly average athelete.
    He's got hand-and-eye coordination like Brooks Robinson"
    
    Magic Johnson
    -------------
    
    Knight: "His incredibly contagious enthusiasm is worth more to his team
    than anything else he does."
    
    Isiah Thomas
    ------------
    
    Knight:  "I think I could call him and ask him to help us with
    recruiting and anything I could help him with, he knows he can always
    call me."
    
    Cap
    
    

       
    Reply: Hoosiers overrated.....
    
    T is RIGHT,
    
    Indiana is overrated.  Presently of their 9 man rotation, they
    play 6 freshman, 1 redshirt freshman, 1 sophomore and 1 junior.
    To pull off the wins that they have in the toughest conference
    in the country is incredible.  As a fan, I'm willing to take my
    knocks now, because with the experience they're gaining this year
    they will be one kick-ass team by the end of next year. 
    
    Cap

    Sheesh Cap, great notes.  Don't have time right now to respond to your
    points but I can assure you I will in due time.
    
    (BTW - I will enter your pro-Dean note in The Contest.)
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    
    
    One more thing.  As long as you're railing on me for what appear to you
    to be ridiculous comments about Knight, don't you think (in all
    fairness) you should say the *same* to MrT regarding his Dean comments?
    Fair is fair here, and you obviously don't agree with MrT when it comes
    to Dean.
    

    
    ACC Chris,
    
    You have a valid point, anyway it might be fun :-)
    
    Gotta get some sleep though.  Can't respond to T's scathing notes
    about me being a turncoat without being well rested. :-)
    
    Cap: Big 10's objective analyst(no not analist T) :-)

    Jeez, you'd think Indiana fans were sensative or something!  If
    you can't take a little ribbing when your team gets pounded, you
    take life too seriously, I think.
    
    Tell me T, why is it that all we've been hearing in Big10 country
    *all season long* is that Indiana and Michigan are the top teams
    in the conference?  You are the only person (Bobby Knighmare(tm?)
    included that denies this.
    
    BTW, I was down at the Gophs-Iowa game last night and saw their
    win over the hated Hawkeyes.  Gophs did not play particularly well
    but managed the win over the down Hawks.  Bullard probably shouldn't
    have even showed up and Jepsen was more comical than anything. 
    Gophs for their part, certainly need to start playing better if
    they want to win some road games.
    
    
    Spud              

    You can go on and on about Knight, Smith, IU over/underrated....
    
    The thing I know about Big Ten basketball today is that Purdue beat
    Ohio State by about 12 I think at Columbus last night to go 6-0 in the
    Big Ten and maintain a one game lead over 5-1 Michigan State.
    
    Charles

    >             -< Tell him how much yuo hate Stompshim(tm) >-
    
    No, no.  I want MrT to have a good time when he meets his idol.  If T
    spouted off any of that nonsense he uses in here, Bobby would probably
    slap him, and the night would be ruined.  
    
    Dan

    
    T, take hike with the TV BS will ya. We have Big Ten Big East monday
    we have ACC Big Ten doubleheader another night. On weekend ABC has
    a contract with the big ten and always puts on a game so cut the crap.
    It's the big ten's fault for not scheduling purdue not the fact that 
    the acc or big east is hogging up the airwaves.....
    
    mike

How hard would it have been to change last night's Minnesota-Iowa
yawner on ESPN to Purdue-Ohio State?   

If Purdue beats Iowa at Mackey Arena Saturday, they will surely move
into the top 10.   And I bet they will be the only Top 10 team not
yet seen on national TV.

    Re:.-1
    Changing a Monday night ESPN game?
    I don't think the schools who have had the game committed to them would
    like the idea a whole lot.  As to the logistic part of it, how hard? 
    Very hard.
    
    I am not sure if the Purdue-OSU game was not a yawner myself.  Purdue
    beat OSU by 12, so maybe it was not that close anyway.  I have not
    heard any game details just the score so I do not know.
    
    Purdue has been seen on national TV once I think in a non-conference
    win over Ball State on ESPN.  But I miss that game myself.
    
    Charles

>               <<< Note 11.168 by JUPITR::MOK "Charles P. Mok" >>>
>
>    Re:.-1
>    Changing a Monday night ESPN game?

	It was LAST night.  Thursday night.   I'm sure the Big 10 
	wouldn't have minded the switch.   

>    I don't think the schools who have had the game committed to them would
>    like the idea a whole lot.  As to the logistic part of it, how hard? 
>    Very hard.

	Why hard if they make the decision a week ago?  

	What's ESPN going to do if the Boilers lead the field the
	whole way?   They're going to miss plenty of good hoop.
    
>    I am not sure if the Purdue-OSU game was not a yawner myself.  Purdue
>    beat OSU by 12, so maybe it was not that close anyway.  I have not
>    heard any game details just the score so I do not know.

	According to SPORTSCENTER, it was a very good game with a number
	of back and forth streaks of ten points.  The Boilers just got the
	last streak.
    
>    Purdue has been seen on national TV once I think in a non-conference
>    win over Ball State on ESPN.  But I miss that game myself.

	Maybe.  Wasn't it on a Saturday afternoon in November?

    Re:Ball State game Sat afternoon Nov?
    I think so....
    

    One question/point on TV coverage:
    
    Down here in Dixie we've got *local* coverage of the ACC.  There are
    slews of games on and often times ESPN is blacked out because of
    duplication.
    
    So the question is, why doesn't the Big 10 have something similar?  My
    guess is cause it's not economically feasable cause there's not as many
    hoop fans around to justify it.  
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

	It's hard to believe that the Big 10 season is only 1/3 over
	now.  It's going to take 13 wins to win it, I think, so Purdue
	has to go 7-5 the rest of the way.  I would have felt A LOT
	better if Indiana had beaten MSU the other night.  A two 
	game lead in the Big 10 after 6 games played would have been  
	rare.  

	I think it's going to end up:

	Purdue       13-5
	Michigan     12-6
	Michigan St  12-6
        Illinois     11-7
	Indiana      11-7
	Minnesota    10-8
	Ohio State    9-9
	Wisconsin     6-12
	Iowa          4-14
	Northwestern  2-16
	

    Gosh, what a scary thought to have Purdue winning the Big Ten.  If
    they really do survive sufficient enough to take home the league title,
    not shared, do you think they will get the respect it takes to get a
    top seeding?  I think not.  Especially not if it is like Ross'
    prediction of 5 conference losses (total 7).  
    
    Well, let's us Purdue fans not get caught up with this.  It's a long
    way to go :)
    
    Charles
    

>    ... This is why the Big10 stole Penn State out from under the
>    ACC's nose.

Is this more of that Mid Alantic Region Schtuff at work here? It's not
fair for us to take the heat when here we have obvious outside agitators
at work who are trying to impugn our local cultural heritage.

Stealing a school! Quite! And notice that the Indiana General Assembly
has not yet met to correct this heinous crime.

TTom

Purdue beat Iowa and Michigan squeeked by Michigan State on Saturday
while on Sunday, Indiana was blown out at Minnesota.   


The Boilermakers have a two game lead in the Big 10 with a perfect 7-0 mark.

Purdue plays at Michigan Wednesday night.   It will be the biggest game
in the Big 10 so far this year... but we won't be seeing it on TV.  :-(

    Oh my goodness, oh my goodness MrT!  A lot of Gopher frustration
    was relieved yesterday.  The poor Hoos were never in the game. 
    Down 30 in the second half, did ya slither out of the Barn or stay
    there and take it like a man?
    
    Poor Redbelly, with all his blue-chipers could only watch slam after
    slam against the supercoach.  Wonder what Sid's column has to say
    today?  You two are Knightmare's biggest boosters in town.
    
    As for Burton and you're idea that he's not playing up to his
    potential, you must know about his well-documented ankle injury.
    He missed at least 5 weeks in the early part of the season and it's
    taken some time to get back in playing shape.  Well, he's probably
    about there now, but he admitted last week that he still doesn't 
    have that quick cutting first step to get around the defender that he
    uses greatly to his advantage.
    
    Jepsen?  The best player on the court??  You HAVE to be joking!
    Maybe the best elbow tosser.  He played frustrated and it showed.
    
    Ahh, I'll leave ya alone.  I just heard how bad your Donks got beat.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    
    
    Spud

    
    Yes T, you're right when we consider all the networks combined because
    up here in NECCJ we have NESN and SPortsChannel which have big east
    contracts as well as Local coverage by stations in the area. I was
    just addressing the big networks because I assumed that the midwest
    had locals and midwest sports networks that covered the action in that
    section of the country. Also I believe your right that the balance
    just shifted this year to two nights for the big ten who may have been
    on only one night a week last year....
    
    mike
    
    

    THE BOSTON AFFILIATE OF ABC AGAIN PREEMPTED THE INDIANA-MINNESOTA GAME
    YESTERDAY!  TO SHOW SOME OLD FADED MOVIE FOR THOSE LITTLE AD MONEY! 
    WHAT A CRIME!!!!
    
    (I know I shouted)
    
    Charles

    
    Agreed Charles, I figure after the Celts game I'd enjoy watching the
    Indiana/Minny game but no!!!
    
    mike

    Is there *ANY*-thing one could do?  
    
    This is only going to get worse going out of the football season and
    into the college hoops seasons with all those ABC Pac-10 and Big Ten
    games.  
    
    Charles

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-26-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: 3 of 4 road wins...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Jan26.204047.17263@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 26 Jan 90 20:40:47 GMT
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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Last Night:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS 66, #61 WISCONSIN 63 (at Madison):  Marcus Liberty
	went wild in the first half and staked Illinois to an 8 point
	lead, which ballooned to 14 early in the second half before the
	Badgers made a nail-biter out of it.  Liberty had 16 of Illinois'
	37 first half points, as he was unstoppable.  With 11:36 left in the
	game, the Illini were up 54-40.  But, the Badgers finally caught fire,
	and had it down to 58-57 nearing crunch time.  Danny Jones then canned
	two charity tosses to give Wisconsin the lead at 59-58, capping a 19-4
	run, and the game seesawed until Illinois went up 62-61 with under a 
	minute to go.  Willie Simms was then whistled for a charge, and after
	Illinois was allowed to burn 30 seconds off of the clock, Steve
	Bardo hit both ends of a bonus to put Illinois up by 3 at 64-61.
	Tim Locum was then fouled (perhaps to prevent his taking a
	trifecta?), and he drilled both to make it 64-63.  Kendall Gill
	and Ervin Small each hit the front ends of bonuses to create the
	final score, but Kent Portmann of Wisconsin bricked his, and at
	the very end, Small missed the front end of the bonus to give
	Wisconsin one last chance with 2 seconds left.  But a halfcourt 
	heave by the Badgers hit the backboard at the horn.  Liberty
	ended up with 21, and Gill had 17.  Danny Jones had 19 for Wisconsin.
	Next for Illinois:  Saturday vs. #32 Ohio State.  Next for
	Wisconsin: Saturday at #91 Northwestern.
 
	#9  MINNESOTA 84, #42 IOWA 72 (at Minneapolis):  After trailing
	early 9-8, the Gophers took control and never looked back, but
	they never completely shook the game Hawkeyes either.  But, it
	was Minnesota's largest victory over Iowa since another 12-
	pointer in 1981.  Leading 41-29 at the break, the Gophers would
	widen the lead out a bit, then have it fall to under 10.  Most of
	the second half was like this.  Iowa's scrappy, full-court style 
	kept them in it.  Minnesota outrebounded the tall Hawkeyes 46-36.  
	Willie Burton had 21 for the Gophers, while James Moses, who fouled 
	out, led Iowa with 21.  Next for Minnesota:  Sunday vs. #10 Indiana.  
	Next for Iowa:  Saturday at #12 Purdue.
 
	#11 MICHIGAN 86, #91 NORTHWESTERN 79 (at Evanston):  The Cats threw
	a major league scare at Michigan before the Wolverines' talent
	prevailed.  NU led 38-33 at the break and looked very good in
	doing it.  Michigan scored the first 7 points of the game and
	apparently thought it would be easy, but 13 turnovers and generally
	sloppy play turned the game around.  A Rex Walters layup early in
	the second half gave NU its largest lead at 42-35, but as has 
	happened so many other times to them at this stage of a game,
	the other team made a huge run to defeat them.  This time, it was
	a 20-6 Michigan run which gave them a 55-48 lead with just under
	11 minutes to go.  NU cut it back to 56-54, but Terry Mills got
	hot and a nine point run decided it.  Mills ended up with 26, Sean
	Higgins had 24 and Loy Vaught had 23 for Michigan.  Rumeal Robinson
	scored only 4 points on 1 of 6 shooting.  Walters had 24 for NU,
	as the slumping Walker Lambiotte was held to 8.  Next for Michigan:
	Saturday vs. #28 Michigan State.  Next for NU:  Saturday vs. #61
	Wisconsin.
 
	#12 PURDUE 78, #32 OHIO STATE 66 (at Columbus):  Purdue weathered
	tremendous Ohio State runs in each half to prevail at Columbus,
	handing the Buckeyes their first homecourt loss of the season.
	The Boilers came out hot, jumping to a 17-8 lead before OSU 
	countered with a 16-2 run to take a 24-19 lead.  OSU had small
	leads the rest of the half until Purdue tied it at the break at
	34.  As they did at the start of the game, the Boilers dominated
	the first portion of the second half, building an 11-point lead
	at 53-42 before the Buckeyes again charged back.  OSU used a 15-4
	run to tie it at 57, sending the St. John's Arena sellout crowd
	into a frenzy.  Purdue countered, as did the Buckeyes, and
	with the score at 59-all, the Boilermakers dominated the final
	6+ minutes with a 19-7 run of their own.  From 65-59, the lead
	ballooned to 75-61 before the benches were cleared and the arena
	emptied.  Woody Austin had 18 for Purdue, including a Michael
	Jordan-style layin down the stretch.  Steve Scheffler chipped
	in 16, but was "only" 6-10 from the floor, matching the number
	of missed shots he had in his 5 previous league games.  Perry
	Carter of OSU was a force inside, leading the team with 21 points.
	OSU made only 3 of 15 3-point attempts.  Next for Purdue:  Saturday
	vs. #42 Iowa.  Next for Ohio State:  Saturday at #14 Illinois.
 
 
Saturday:
 
	#32 OHIO STATE at #14 ILLINOIS  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#28 MICHIGAN STATE at #11 MICHIGAN  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#61 WISCONSIN at #91 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#42 IOWA at #12 PURDUE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#180 George Washington at #94 PeNn StAtE
 
Sunday:
 
	#10 INDIANA at #9 MINNESOTA  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
 
Monday:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS at #42 IOWA  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		6-0	1.000	14-2	.875
	 	Michigan State 	5-1	 .833	16-3	.842
		Michigan	4-2	 .667	14-3	.824
		Illinois	4-3	 .571	14-3	.824
		Minnesota	4-3	 .571	13-4	.765
	 	Indiana		3-3	 .500	13-3	.813
		Ohio State	3-4	 .429	 8-8	.500
	 	Wisconsin	2-5	 .286	11-8	.579
		Iowa		1-5	 .167	 9-7	.563
	 	Northwestern	0-6	 .000	 7-9	.438
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	5-3	 .625	11-5	.688
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    I'm sorry T, but I can't let you get away with a comment you made.
    You said that you were glad to see the Hoos play the Gophs "even"
    the last 2/3 of the game.  Now unless there's some new math, the
    Gophs turned a 14 point halftime lead up to 30 and ended up winning
    by 21.  If you want to call that "even" and it's a moral victory
    for you... Ok, I'll let you.  :*)
    
    
    Spud

    I just can't let this go without a comment.  Just can't.  IU down by
    THIRTY?  Coming off what most experts labeled the #1 recruiting class
    in the USA??  
    
    Bob's had plenty of time to get all those studs in sync.  PLENTY of
    time.  Sorry, but a loss is one thing.  Getting completely blown out is
    another.  Specially with the #1 recruiting class in the USA.  
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    Re:.184 etc. Boston's channel 5 preempting ABC college basketball games
    
    I have decided to write a letter to Jack Craig who writes the TV sports
    section for the Boston Globe.  Anyone else, Big Ten fans, Pac 10 fans,
    other college hoop fans, wants to sign it with me?  Send me mail and I
    will send you a copy of the letter and include your name.  The "dead-
    line" will be before noon Tuesday (1/30).
    
    If you are wondering why I am not writing to Channel 5 instead I wrote
    last year and they did not even care to reply.
    
    Maybe next step is take it to the advertizers for those "Star Search"
    programs and to show them the viewers' displeasures may translate into
    their loss.  Did anyone watch the old movie yesterday and remember who
    advertized :) ?
    
    Charles

    re: Charles, Mike and ABC
    
    This might make you guys feel a little better.  The Sunday ABC schedule
    will be shown on Worcester's channel 27.  Of course it's regional
    coverage, so yesterday afternoon they showed UNLV vs. LSU instead of
    ISU vs. Minn.
    
    Dan

    Still, UNLV-LSU is better than that movie.
    
    You cannot receive the Worcester station from Boston unfortunately. 
    This simply forces people to go to cable to pick up the Providence or
    Manchester channels.  Of course, even the Providence channel is known
    to preempt some games sometimes.
    
    What a shame.  
    
    Charles

    
    yeah Dan I caught that but too late. I'll be on the look out for it...
    
    mike

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-29-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: Some really entertaining games were played...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Jan29.192604.2284@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
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CNN/USA Today's poll today sports SIX conference teams in the Top 25:
 
	Michigan	#3
	Purdue		#9
	Illinois	#12
	Minnesota	#18
	Indiana		#22
	Michigan State	#24
 
The order of the last two is hard to figure based on what happened at
Bloomington last Wednesday...
 
 
Saturday's Results:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS 92, #32 OHIO STATE 81  (at Champaign):  A tale of two
	games.  In game one, Ohio State played about as well as it can,
	scoring at will against Illinois, and playing some good defense,
	too.  Then, in game two, Illinois played a more "intense" defense,
	a zone, scored the first 19 points of the second half, and won it big.
	Ohio State's 45-42 halftime lead evaporated into a 61-45 Illinois
	lead after 8 minutes and 44 seconds were played in the second half.
	The Buckeyes had several 7-point leads in the first half, leading
	most of the way.  Marcus Liberty, Kendall Gill, and Rodney Jones were 
	the Big Three in this game, scoring 23, 20, and 18 points, respectively.
	Perry Carter led OSU with 25 points and 16 boards, and was particularly
	awesome in the first half.  OSU had five score in double figures,
	but after Illinois turned up the "D", the Buckeye "D" went away.
	The Illini's biggest lead occurred at 92-73 just before the end.
	Both teams shot over 50% from the floor.  Next for Illinois:  Tonight
	at #42 Iowa.  Next for Ohio State:  Thursday vs. #91 Northwestern.
 
	#11 MICHIGAN 65, #28 MICHIGAN STATE 63 (at Ann Arbor):  A great
	ballgame between two fierce rivals.  Michigan played well throughout
	much of the first half, and led 30-23 before a timeout was needed
	by MSU.  Then, MSU made a great run to end the half, knotting the 
	score at 37-all.  The last several minutes of the game were nip-and-
	tuck.  MSU tied it for the last time late in the game when Dwayne
	Stephens scored his only bucket of the afternoon.  When Michigan 
	inbounded with just around 20 seconds left, MSU quickly fouled 
	Demetrius Calip, who is a 74% FT shooter.  It turned out to be a great 
	strategy, as he missed the front end of his bonus, and MSU rebounded.  
	The Spartans called a timeout with just over 10 seconds left, and set 
	up their final shot.  However, they never got to attempt one, as Ken 
	Redfield travelled through the lane as he was attempting to dish the 
	ball out to a wide-open Spartan.  With 5 ticks left, Michigan ran a 
	great play to win it.  This play sort of reminded me of the Miami 
	Dolphins' hook-and-ladder play, where Marino throws a pass to a 
	receiver who immediately latterals it to another player flying down 
	the sidelines.  In Michigan's version, Sean Higgins threw it in to 
	Terry Higgins about a third of the way down the floor, who flipped it 
	across to Rumeal Robinson, who was streaking down the floor at full 
	speed.  He took it almost to the baseline to the right of the basket 
	and sort of flipped in the winner with one second left.  MSU had no
	timeouts left, and the game ended.  Robinson had 25 for Michigan,
	while Steve Smith had 19 for State.  Next for Michigan:  Wednesday
	vs. #12 Purdue.  Next for MSU:  Thursday vs. #9 Minnesota.
 
	#91 NORTHWESTERN 87, #61 WISCONSIN 85 (at Evanston):  In a very
	entertaining game at Welsh-Ryan Arena, the Cats got off of the
	skids and won their first conference game.  NU led a well-played
	first half 37-34, and started expanding the lead early in the
	second half just as it has at home so many other times this
	season.  But, this time, although the Badgers got it down to
	practically nothing several times late, NU always had an answer.
	Rex Walters scored 26 for NU, and Brian Schwabe had 15, 12
	after the break.  Walker Lambiotte showed signs of breaking out
	of his swoon with 9 points in the second half, and 13 overall.
	Willie Simms had 17 for Wisconsin, and Danny Jones 15 (only 2 in
	the second half), but both fouled out.  Next for NU:  Thursday
	at #32 Ohio State.  Next for Wisconsin:  Thursday at #10 Indiana.
 
	#12 PURDUE 80, #42 IOWA 59 (at West Lafayette):  This game was
	much like the Illinois-Ohio State game described above, except
	that Iowa only led once.  The first half saw Purdue get a quick
	12-4 lead, but for the rest of the half the Hawkeyes battled
	tough, outrebounding Purdue badly, especially on the offensive
	end, and took a brief 36-35 lead before Purdue's last first
	half possesion.  However, Loren Clyburn buried a trifecta at
	the horn to give Purdue a 38-36 advantage, and this seemed
	to set the stage for the second half.  Purdue's defense, as
	did Illinois', took the game over in the second half, limiting
	Iowa to 23 points, just 18% FG shooting, and forcing some poor
	shot selection out of the Hawkeyes.  With just 8:17 left in
	the game, a 20-9 run showed Purdue up 58-45, and Iowa had just
	two second half field goals.  Purdue steadily blew the game
	open through the end, finishing it off with a 22-14 run.  The
	Boilers were 17-21 in the second half from the field and was
	73% for the game, while Iowa was just 5-27 in the second half
	and 35% for the game.  Purdue made 8 of 12 trifectas, and
	out-assisted the Hawkeyes 25-12.  Woody Austin and Loren Clyburn
	led a balanced attack with 14 each.  Steve Scheffler was 5-6
	from the field, and has missed only 9 shots in conference play
	so far.  Les Jepsen was held to 9 points, as Wade Lookingbill,
	who seemed to be all over the floor, led Iowa with 12, the only
	Hawkeye to reach double-figures.  Other than Purdue's great
	second half defensive effort and great shooting, this was not
	a particularly good effort.  The final score was somewhat misleading.
	The 7-0 conference start is Purdue's best since back in 1936.
	Next for Purdue:  Wednesday at #11 Michigan.  Next for Iowa:  
	Tonight vs. #14 Illinois.
 
*	#94 PeNn StAtE 77, #180 George Washington 69 (at State College):
	Next for PeNn StAtE:  Saturday vs. #187 St. Joseph's.
 
 
Sunday's Results:
 
	#9 MINNESOTA 108, #10 INDIANA 89 (at Minneapolis):   The Gophers
	gradually pulled away from IU in the first half, built an 87-60
	lead with still over 11 minutes left to play, and coasted easily
	over the Hoosiers in a shockingly poor display of defense by
	Bob Knight's troops.  The Gophers had a 32-9 first half run which
	put this one away in the first half.  Minnesota led 52-35 at
	halftime, and poured it on in the second half.  Six Gophers reached
	double figures, led by Willie Burton's 22.  Lyndon Jones, who
	was deep-sixed on Bob Knight's bench for missing a key shot late
	in the Purdue game two weeks ago, again did not play.  The Hoosiers
	were led by Calbert Cheaney's 24.  A total of 56 fouls were whistled
	and 77 free throws taken (65 were made!) in this marathon.  The
	win ended a Gopher 16 game losing streak to IU, 8 at The Barn.  Note:
	Gary Bender and Joe B. Hall know "a lot" about Big Ten hoops... ;-).
	Example:  "I knew about Coffey and Burton and Newbern, but this Kevin 
	Lynch is a real surprise...".   Heh, heh....   Next for Minnesota:
	Thursday at #28 Michigan State.  Next for IU:  Thursday vs. #61
	Wisconsin.
 
 
Tonight:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS at #42 IOWA  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)  (be sure to check
	out the halftime report about the Deon Thomas debacle.  It involves
	both teams.  This one could be ugly.)
 
Wednesday:
 
	#12 PURDUE at #11 MICHIGAN  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Thursday:
 
	#9  MINNESOTA at #28 MICHIGAN STATE  (ESPN, 6:00 pm CST)
	#91 NORTHWESTERN at #32 OHIO STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#61 WISCONSIN at #10 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Saturday:
 
	#11 MICHIGAN at #61 WISCONSIN  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#28 MICHIGAN STATE at #12 PURDUE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#91 NORTHWESTERN at #42 IOWA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#187 St. Joseph's at #94 PeNn StAtE
 
Sunday:
 
	#7  Louisville at #32 OHIO STATE  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
	#10 INDIANA at #14 ILLINOIS  (ABC, 3:00 pm CST)
 
Next Monday:
 
	#12 PURDUE at #91 NORTHWESTERN  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
	#94 PeNn StAtE at #141 Lehigh
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		7-0	1.000	15-2	.882
		Michigan	5-2	 .714	15-3	.833
	 	Michigan State 	5-2	 .714	16-4	.800
		Illinois	5-3	 .625	15-3	.833
		Minnesota	5-3	 .625	14-4	.778
	 	Indiana		3-4	 .429	13-4	.765
		Ohio State	3-5	 .375	 8-9	.471
	 	Wisconsin	2-6	 .250	11-9	.550
		Iowa		1-6	 .143	 9-8	.529
	 	Northwestern	1-6	 .143	 8-9	.471
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	6-3	 .667	12-5	.706
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    Compassion dictates I not rub the Hucksters (tm) humiliating loss in
    your face any longer.  The facts speak for themselves in this case, and
    the fact that you're worried about making the tourney speak *volumes*.
    
    One question though.  Seems Bob is stuck in much-the-same sitation
    Baywhine (tm) is in.  That is, making *major* adjustments at a most
    difficult time.  To Dean's credit, we were taking our pastings early in
    the year and seem to have settled down for crunch time.  A tough early
    season schedule saw to this.  Perhaps Bob & Jimmy could've benefited
    similarly?!
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    
    

    Purdue #9 this week!  Who would imagine Purdue be ranked in the Top 10
    before the start of the season?  #9?  Maybe #9 in the Big Ten, but #9
    in the country?  If this continues who would deserve COTY more than Keady?  
    I hope they will play well on the road in Ann Arbor and East Lansing,
    or else they will be gone from the Top 10 next week.  I am hoping for
    at least a split so that they can maintain a lead in the Big Ten half-
    way through the season.
    
    Charles

    You sure have to be impressed with Purdue so far.  I would have
    never thought they would be leading the Big10 at this point.  The
    second half may prove tougher, but this team is playing very well.
    Scheffler is proving he's much better than I thought.
    
    We will get you at the Barn though, Charles.  :*)
    
    
    Spud

    
    ACC(yst), You whimping out of the challenge????????

    I don't try to kid anyone, and I don't care if the Boilers are
    overrated or underrated.  If they play well and win great and if not
    why excuses?  Scheffler is the best center in the league now, but
    before the season people did not think that way.  People did not, and
    still do not, respect Tony Jones enough.  You always have to talk about
    Gill, Robinson, Manns, etc. etc. first.  The rest of the Boiler
    starters, tell me Ryan Berning is a "talent."  He would be on the
    third team if he plays for Michigan or Illinois.  Clyburn is just a
    sophomore.  I never said this is a young team.  Jones and Scheffler
    will be gone next season and Purdue should be down a little again, but
    with Keady I am not going to predict that though.
    
    Anyway, Purdue is leading the league this week but going into two tough
    tough games.  If they win, great.  If they lose, they lose, no excuse. 
    I refuse to call them a veteran team or a young team or a talented team
    or a team without talent, to imply anything.  They are what they are 
    and if they win, they are good.  If they do not win, they are not.
    Although I will still like them....
    
    Charles

    T, do you know anything about why Bob benched Lyndon Jones for several
    games?  Words are that he is mad about Jones throwing up a bad, forced
    shot in the PU-IU game in OT and got blamed as the scapegoat for the
    loss.  Looks like without him for whatever anger Bob has the team is
    only worse.  What do you say?
    
    Charles

    
    Great game last night. Iowa with the upset of the Illini although a
    home game win should hardly be called an upset. Illini led all the way
    till the finish. They turned the ball over a couple of times in the
    last minute to seal their fate. Luckinbill hit a very lucky 3 pointer
    to pull the Hawks to 1 down then after a time out, they inbound the
    ball to Jepsen he gives it to the guard takes off down the court and
    they hit em with the pass and he sinks a layup. I think Jepsen had
    close to 20 points and 20 rebounds last night. What has gotten into
    him?
    
    mike

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-29-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: Some really entertaining games were played...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Jan29.192604.2284@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
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CNN/USA Today's poll today sports SIX conference teams in the Top 25:
 
	Michigan	#3
	Purdue		#9
	Illinois	#12
	Minnesota	#18
	Indiana		#22
	Michigan State	#24
 
The order of the last two is hard to figure based on what happened at
Bloomington last Wednesday...
 
 
Saturday's Results:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS 92, #32 OHIO STATE 81  (at Champaign):  A tale of two
	games.  In game one, Ohio State played about as well as it can,
	scoring at will against Illinois, and playing some good defense,
	too.  Then, in game two, Illinois played a more "intense" defense,
	a zone, scored the first 19 points of the second half, and won it big.
	Ohio State's 45-42 halftime lead evaporated into a 61-45 Illinois
	lead after 8 minutes and 44 seconds were played in the second half.
	The Buckeyes had several 7-point leads in the first half, leading
	most of the way.  Marcus Liberty, Kendall Gill, and Rodney Jones were 
	the Big Three in this game, scoring 23, 20, and 18 points, respectively.
	Perry Carter led OSU with 25 points and 16 boards, and was particularly
	awesome in the first half.  OSU had five score in double figures,
	but after Illinois turned up the "D", the Buckeye "D" went away.
	The Illini's biggest lead occurred at 92-73 just before the end.
	Both teams shot over 50% from the floor.  Next for Illinois:  Tonight
	at #42 Iowa.  Next for Ohio State:  Thursday vs. #91 Northwestern.
 
	#11 MICHIGAN 65, #28 MICHIGAN STATE 63 (at Ann Arbor):  A great
	ballgame between two fierce rivals.  Michigan played well throughout
	much of the first half, and led 30-23 before a timeout was needed
	by MSU.  Then, MSU made a great run to end the half, knotting the 
	score at 37-all.  The last several minutes of the game were nip-and-
	tuck.  MSU tied it for the last time late in the game when Dwayne
	Stephens scored his only bucket of the afternoon.  When Michigan 
	inbounded with just around 20 seconds left, MSU quickly fouled 
	Demetrius Calip, who is a 74% FT shooter.  It turned out to be a great 
	strategy, as he missed the front end of his bonus, and MSU rebounded.  
	The Spartans called a timeout with just over 10 seconds left, and set 
	up their final shot.  However, they never got to attempt one, as Ken 
	Redfield travelled through the lane as he was attempting to dish the 
	ball out to a wide-open Spartan.  With 5 ticks left, Michigan ran a 
	great play to win it.  This play sort of reminded me of the Miami 
	Dolphins' hook-and-ladder play, where Marino throws a pass to a 
	receiver who immediately latterals it to another player flying down 
	the sidelines.  In Michigan's version, Sean Higgins threw it in to 
	Terry Higgins about a third of the way down the floor, who flipped it 
	across to Rumeal Robinson, who was streaking down the floor at full 
	speed.  He took it almost to the baseline to the right of the basket 
	and sort of flipped in the winner with one second left.  MSU had no
	timeouts left, and the game ended.  Robinson had 25 for Michigan,
	while Steve Smith had 19 for State.  Next for Michigan:  Wednesday
	vs. #12 Purdue.  Next for MSU:  Thursday vs. #9 Minnesota.
 
	#91 NORTHWESTERN 87, #61 WISCONSIN 85 (at Evanston):  In a very
	entertaining game at Welsh-Ryan Arena, the Cats got off of the
	skids and won their first conference game.  NU led a well-played
	first half 37-34, and started expanding the lead early in the
	second half just as it has at home so many other times this
	season.  But, this time, although the Badgers got it down to
	practically nothing several times late, NU always had an answer.
	Rex Walters scored 26 for NU, and Brian Schwabe had 15, 12
	after the break.  Walker Lambiotte showed signs of breaking out
	of his swoon with 9 points in the second half, and 13 overall.
	Willie Simms had 17 for Wisconsin, and Danny Jones 15 (only 2 in
	the second half), but both fouled out.  Next for NU:  Thursday
	at #32 Ohio State.  Next for Wisconsin:  Thursday at #10 Indiana.
 
	#12 PURDUE 80, #42 IOWA 59 (at West Lafayette):  This game was
	much like the Illinois-Ohio State game described above, except
	that Iowa only led once.  The first half saw Purdue get a quick
	12-4 lead, but for the rest of the half the Hawkeyes battled
	tough, outrebounding Purdue badly, especially on the offensive
	end, and took a brief 36-35 lead before Purdue's last first
	half possesion.  However, Loren Clyburn buried a trifecta at
	the horn to give Purdue a 38-36 advantage, and this seemed
	to set the stage for the second half.  Purdue's defense, as
	did Illinois', took the game over in the second half, limiting
	Iowa to 23 points, just 18% FG shooting, and forcing some poor
	shot selection out of the Hawkeyes.  With just 8:17 left in
	the game, a 20-9 run showed Purdue up 58-45, and Iowa had just
	two second half field goals.  Purdue steadily blew the game
	open through the end, finishing it off with a 22-14 run.  The
	Boilers were 17-21 in the second half from the field and was
	73% for the game, while Iowa was just 5-27 in the second half
	and 35% for the game.  Purdue made 8 of 12 trifectas, and
	out-assisted the Hawkeyes 25-12.  Woody Austin and Loren Clyburn
	led a balanced attack with 14 each.  Steve Scheffler was 5-6
	from the field, and has missed only 9 shots in conference play
	so far.  Les Jepsen was held to 9 points, as Wade Lookingbill,
	who seemed to be all over the floor, led Iowa with 12, the only
	Hawkeye to reach double-figures.  Other than Purdue's great
	second half defensive effort and great shooting, this was not
	a particularly good effort.  The final score was somewhat misleading.
	The 7-0 conference start is Purdue's best since back in 1936.
	Next for Purdue:  Wednesday at #11 Michigan.  Next for Iowa:  
	Tonight vs. #14 Illinois.
 
*	#94 PeNn StAtE 77, #180 George Washington 69 (at State College):
	Next for PeNn StAtE:  Saturday vs. #187 St. Joseph's.
 
 
Sunday's Results:
 
	#9 MINNESOTA 108, #10 INDIANA 89 (at Minneapolis):   The Gophers
	gradually pulled away from IU in the first half, built an 87-60
	lead with still over 11 minutes left to play, and coasted easily
	over the Hoosiers in a shockingly poor display of defense by
	Bob Knight's troops.  The Gophers had a 32-9 first half run which
	put this one away in the first half.  Minnesota led 52-35 at
	halftime, and poured it on in the second half.  Six Gophers reached
	double figures, led by Willie Burton's 22.  Lyndon Jones, who
	was deep-sixed on Bob Knight's bench for missing a key shot late
	in the Purdue game two weeks ago, again did not play.  The Hoosiers
	were led by Calbert Cheaney's 24.  A total of 56 fouls were whistled
	and 77 free throws taken (65 were made!) in this marathon.  The
	win ended a Gopher 16 game losing streak to IU, 8 at The Barn.  Note:
	Gary Bender and Joe B. Hall know "a lot" about Big Ten hoops... ;-).
	Example:  "I knew about Coffey and Burton and Newbern, but this Kevin 
	Lynch is a real surprise...".   Heh, heh....   Next for Minnesota:
	Thursday at #28 Michigan State.  Next for IU:  Thursday vs. #61
	Wisconsin.
 
 
Tonight:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS at #42 IOWA  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)  (be sure to check
	out the halftime report about the Deon Thomas debacle.  It involves
	both teams.  This one could be ugly.)
 
Wednesday:
 
	#12 PURDUE at #11 MICHIGAN  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Thursday:
 
	#9  MINNESOTA at #28 MICHIGAN STATE  (ESPN, 6:00 pm CST)
	#91 NORTHWESTERN at #32 OHIO STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#61 WISCONSIN at #10 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Saturday:
 
	#11 MICHIGAN at #61 WISCONSIN  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#28 MICHIGAN STATE at #12 PURDUE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#91 NORTHWESTERN at #42 IOWA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#187 St. Joseph's at #94 PeNn StAtE
 
Sunday:
 
	#7  Louisville at #32 OHIO STATE  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
	#10 INDIANA at #14 ILLINOIS  (ABC, 3:00 pm CST)
 
Next Monday:
 
	#12 PURDUE at #91 NORTHWESTERN  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
	#94 PeNn StAtE at #141 Lehigh
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		7-0	1.000	15-2	.882
		Michigan	5-2	 .714	15-3	.833
	 	Michigan State 	5-2	 .714	16-4	.800
		Illinois	5-3	 .625	15-3	.833
		Minnesota	5-3	 .625	14-4	.778
	 	Indiana		3-4	 .429	13-4	.765
		Ohio State	3-5	 .375	 8-9	.471
	 	Wisconsin	2-6	 .250	11-9	.550
		Iowa		1-6	 .143	 9-8	.529
	 	Northwestern	1-6	 .143	 8-9	.471
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	6-3	 .667	12-5	.706
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (1-30-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: Another Monday night surprise...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Jan30.190215.17391@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 30 Jan 90 19:02:15 GMT
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Last Night:
 
	#42 IOWA 69, #14 ILLINOIS 67 (at Iowa City):  What a lost opportunity.
	Illinois had lost 41 of its 52 previous games in Iowa City, but if it
	was ever to win again at Iowa, this season seemed like the prime
	candidate.  The Illini had modest leads most of the game, and led
	37-33 at the break.  And, though the Hawkeyes got up 50-49 under
	the 10 minute mark, Illinois still seemed in control, and eventually
	took command at 65-58 with 3:22 left.  But, questionable shot selection
	during the final 3 minutes, and what seemed to be a general disinterest
	on the players' parts in listening to Coach Lou Henson's directions
	from the bench, doomed the Illini again.  Iowa cut the lead to 65-62,
	but Illinois answered to make it 67-62.  Still safe, it seemed.  But,
	more silly offense play and two more Hawkeye points cut the lead to
	67-64.  Steve Bardo and Marcus Liberty were the two prime culprits
	in the shot-forcing department.  Bardo had a really off-balanced
	drive, and Liberty had two ill-advised attempts.  At one point, with
	Lou rotating his arm to have the team go into it's clock-killing
	mode under the 30 second mark, Liberty drove from the baseline to
	the center of the key, totally ignoring the coach.  His shot failed
	and after a flurry of putbacks, Iowa rebounded and called timeout
	to set up the finale.  Just before that, Wade Lookingbill had banked
	in a trifecta to tie the game at 67-all, and you knew then that
	something was up.  I don't think the Iowa fans even believed the
	team had a chance until that shot carromed in.  On the winning
	play, tall Les Jepsen flashed down the floor, took a long pass,
	showed a couple of nice dribble moves for a 7-footer, and rolled
	in a 5-footer, as Kendall Gill tried to slide in for a charge,
	but was too late.  The Illini had their eventual long pass tipped
	away at the 1.5 second mark, and that was that.  Dick Vitale
	commented several times near the end about the lack of "intelligent"
	play by Illinois.  Many think Lou should have burned a timeout
	when Illinois had the ball with the game tied at 67.  Who knows...
	Next for Iowa:  Saturday vs. #91 Northwestern.  Next for Illinois:
	Sunday vs. #10 Indiana.
 
 
Wednesday:
 
	#12 PURDUE at #11 MICHIGAN  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Thursday:
 
	#9  MINNESOTA at #28 MICHIGAN STATE  (ESPN, 6:00 pm CST)
	#91 NORTHWESTERN at #32 OHIO STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#61 WISCONSIN at #10 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Saturday:
 
	#11 MICHIGAN at #61 WISCONSIN  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#28 MICHIGAN STATE at #12 PURDUE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#91 NORTHWESTERN at #42 IOWA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#187 St. Joseph's at #94 PeNn StAtE
 
Sunday:
 
	#7  Louisville at #32 OHIO STATE  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
	#10 INDIANA at #14 ILLINOIS  (ABC, 3:00 pm CST)
 
Next Monday:
 
	#12 PURDUE at #91 NORTHWESTERN  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
	#94 PeNn StAtE at #141 Lehigh
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		7-0	1.000	15-2	.882
		Michigan	5-2	 .714	15-3	.833
	 	Michigan State 	5-2	 .714	16-4	.800
		Minnesota	5-3	 .625	14-4	.778
		Illinois	5-4	 .556	15-4	.789
	 	Indiana		3-4	 .429	13-4	.765
		Ohio State	3-5	 .375	 8-9	.471
		Iowa		2-6	 .250	10-8	.556
	 	Wisconsin	2-6	 .250	11-9	.550
	 	Northwestern	1-6	 .143	 8-9	.471
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	6-3	 .667	12-5	.706
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    Charles,
    
    T is just upset at the thrashings his Hoos having taken consecutively
    the last couple of games.
    
    I need to bring up three more points on the IU-Gopher game, then
    I'll give it a rest.  The 108 points the Gophers scored were the
    most ever given up by an Indiana team coached by Bobby Knightmare.
    There wasn't the usual "foul discrepancy" either, as both teams
    shot about 40 each.  #2:  It's really too bad you guys didn't have
    a chance to see the game because ABC caught Bobby in some great
    closeups several times in the second half.  Most of them consisted
    of Bobby burying his face down in his hands at the whipping taking
    place in front of him.  The announcers almost sounded like they
    felt sorry for him.
    
    And lastly T, your overrated Burton was just name Big10 player of
    the week.  
    
    
    Spud
    

    In fact it was Boilers by 17, 91-84 over Michigan!
    
    And the MSU game this weekend will be at Mackey, not at East Lansing as
    I said.  
    
    So the tough road tests left for the Boilers in the second half include
    Illinois, MSU and Minnesota.
    
    Charles

    There were 5000 people mobbing the Purdue Airport last night I heard to
    welcome the Boilers returning from Ann Arbor!

A Purdue win Saturday will give them a three game lead with 9 to play.

Boilers shot 70% from the field.  Stephen Scheffler, the nation's FG%
leader, shot 7-8.  On his one miss, he got the rebound and put it 
back in.  

Steve Fisher is the new Lou Henson.   What's he gonna do next year
when Rumeal is gone?

    Lordy I hope Eric Montross is watching Fisher this year.  Can't believe
    he'd rather go play for this dork than come to Chapel Hill to play for
    Dean.
    
    RECONSIDER ERIC!!   DON'T LET DAD AND GRAMPA FORCE YOU INTO A *BAD*
    DECISION!
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    Steve Scheffler's FG percentage is over 73%.  Keady complained that
    they are not getting the ball to him enough, he usually puts up 7 or 8
    shots a game.  He is shooting over 80% in Big Ten play.
    
    Charles

    Re:.212 T
    >Congratualtions to the Boilermakers on winning the Big10 hoops Title.
    
    Huh???  There are still 10 games left!  They won only 9, it's a long
    way to go!
    
    As to the NCAA, I'm hoping, but that's where I'll stop at.
    
    Charles

    
    	Is Rich Mount, son of the former Perdue great Rick Mount playing
    this year, or is he due to play next year??  If he is playing, can
    someone comment on his play or lack thereof so far..
    
    			a closet rick mount disciple...bill..g.
    

I won't hand the title to the Boilers just yet... I think MrT is trying
to use some of his reverse psychology... We know whoever he picks ends
up in the dumper. :-)

If Purdue wins the next two {Sat. at home vs Michigan State and Monday
at Northwestern}, I would say they have it locked up.

Whatever happens, only one team out of Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois,
and Michigan State can emerge as a challenger since they all have to 
play each other again.   Michigan is the only team that REALLY scares
me.  Until they lose two more, I won't consider them out of it.

    
    Well Minnesota got over their raod woes last night and escaped with
    a win over the Spartans. I don't quite remember the final I think it
    was 81-78 or so. Minny open up an 11 point half time lead with
    excellent offensive execusion. Second half saw MSU close to within
    1 before Minny blew it open to 11 again only to see MSU come back
    to 1 again in closing minute. Lynch for Minny saved the day when he
    blocked a three point attemp.
    
    Was really impressed with Steve Smith of MSU....
    
    mike
    

    Yes T, if I wanted to use your logic as well, all I'd say is that
    the Gophers weren't expected to win at Michigan, Purdue or even at
    MSU last night.  They lost one at Wisconsin they should have won,
    but the others would have been upsets.  
    
    As for the Twins not winning on the road, that was three years ago-
    and you know what they say about recent history...
    
    BTW, it's been three days since I issued you that challange on the
    Gopher-IU return match and I have heard nary a word.
    
    Skeered?
    
    
    Spud - One more thing... Denver Broncos  :*)      

    
    Geez T, sounds like you should ship Minnesota up to the big boys in the
    Big East where the studs are allowed to play.....6 fouls a game and
    all.....
    
    ;^)
    
    I love the Stud Farm boy analogy...hahhahaa
    
    
    mike

    Rich Mount is playing this year but minimal number of minutes so far.
    

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-1-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: They're for real, Dick...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Feb1.163358.2036@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 1 Feb 90 16:33:58 GMT
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Last Night:
 
	#7  PURDUE 91, #13 MICHIGAN 73 (at Ann Arbor):  Well.  After the
	Illinois-Iowa ESPN game Monday night, Dick Vitale called Michigan
	and Illinois "the Big Ten's two heavyweights".  I immediately
	wondered, "But Dick, what about Purdue, Michigan State, and Minnesota?"
	Now, after last night, I think there's no doubt that at least one
	of those three can be added to his list.  Purdue led this one wire-to-
	wire.  It quickly hit the first four points of the game, extended
	the lead to 11-4, then 16-6, and then, after Michigan cut it to
	20-15, Purdue quickly got it back up to 26-16.  The first half
	ended at 47-38.  In the second half, it was more of the same for the
	first four minutes, and Purdue led 55-42 before the Michigan team
	and it's fans got it going for the first time.  Two straight treys
	by the Wolverines cut the lead to 55-48, and then 4 more points
	sandwiched around some Purdue errors had the game at 55-52, and
	the crowd at Crisler was rockin' and rollin'.  Gene Keady called
	a timeout, and it did the trick.  Purdue reeled off the game's
	next 13 points for a 68-52 lead, and it was all over but the 
	shouting.  The Boiler eventually led 79-60, and evidently 91-71
	before the Wolverines scored the games' last hoop.  Purdue's
	exclamation point to the game was three thunderous dunks in
	the final minute when the Michigan players clearly quit.  Steve
	Fisher called a TO with 12 seconds left to read them the riot act.
	Purdue consistently and patiently ran it's offense for 40 minutes,
	with the result being great shot selection and 70% shooting.
	The Wolverines canned a respectable 32 of 64, but they just didn't
	play the type of defense needed in a game like this.  The players
	seemed to lack fire, though Fisher had called the game "A Must Win"
	in the press earlier.  As a biased note (I try not to be here), 
	I've been following Purdue basketball as long as I've had a memory
	(which puts it back to about 1966), and I don't think I can ever
	remember a more impressive Big Ten road performance by Purdue than 
	this one.  Tony Jones led Purdue with 23 points, 9 assists and a 
	steal.  Four other Boilers reached double figures.  Rumeal Robinson 
	had 17, but most were in the first half.  Next for Purdue:  Saturday 
	vs.  #17 Michigan State.  Next for Michigan:  Saturday at #62 
	Wisconsin.  If it's any solace for Michigan fans, the game last
	night seemed to be an instant replay of Illinois' demolition of
	the Wolverines during the regular-season finale last year.  We
	all know what happened after that...
 
 
Thursday:
 
	#6  MINNESOTA at #17 MICHIGAN STATE  (ESPN, 6:00 pm CST)
	#85 NORTHWESTERN at #36 OHIO STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#62 WISCONSIN at #20 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Saturday:
 
	#13 MICHIGAN at #62 WISCONSIN  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#17 MICHIGAN STATE at #7 PURDUE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#85 NORTHWESTERN at #48 IOWA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#181 St. Joseph's at #90 PeNn StAtE
 
Sunday:
 
	#10 Louisville at #36 OHIO STATE  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
	#20 INDIANA at #14 ILLINOIS  (ABC, 3:00 pm CST)
 
Next Monday:
 
	#7  PURDUE at #85 NORTHWESTERN  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
	#90 PeNn StAtE at #165 Lehigh
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		8-0	1.000	16-2	.889
	 	Michigan State 	5-2	 .714	16-4	.800
		Michigan	5-3	 .625	15-4	.789
		Minnesota	5-3	 .625	14-4	.778
		Illinois	5-4	 .556	15-4	.789
	 	Indiana		3-4	 .429	13-4	.765
		Ohio State	3-5	 .375	 8-9	.471
		Iowa		2-6	 .250	10-8	.556
	 	Wisconsin	2-6	 .250	11-9	.550
	 	Northwestern	1-6	 .143	 8-9	.471
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	6-3	 .667	12-5	.706
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-2-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: Minnesota finally got one...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Feb2.172732.6099@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 2 Feb 90 17:27:32 GMT
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Last Night:
 
	#6  MINNESOTA 79, #17 MICHIGAN STATE 74 (at East Lansing):  The
	Gophers finally registered their first conference road victory,
	and it couldn't have come at a better time for them, and a more 
	horrible time, for MSU.  The Gophers came out of the blocks hot,
	dominating the first half and leading 45-34 at the break.  the
	Gophers maintained that advantage for the first half of the
	second stanza, and still led 65-53 with 8:36 left.  But, Jud's 
	troops finally got their act together at that point, and with
	just 3:03 to go, the lead was down to one at 69-68 (after a
	thunderous dunk by Steve Smith).  But, the Gophers always
	managed to cash in at the stripe down the stretch, despite
	a couple of trifectas by Kirk Manns.  With the score 77-74
	and MSU attempting to tie it up, Kevin Lynch blocked and stole
	another Manns' trey attempt with 18 ticks to go, and drove 
	down for the winning hoop.  Walter Bond came off the bench to
	lead Minnesota with 15 in a balanced attack.  Manns had 21 for
	State, and Smith added 16.  Ken Redfield had 18 on 8-12 shooting,
	but had an ill-advised 3-point attempt down the stretch which
	hurt the Spartan cause.  BTW, the new Spartan arena looks great!
	Next for Minnesota:  Next Thursday at #14 Illinois.  Next for MSU:  
	Saturday at #7 Purdue.
 
	#36 OHIO STATE 101, #85 NORTHWESTERN 77 (at Columbus):  The Buckeyes
	ended a four-game losing streak to contenders by hammering the
	Wildcats.  Jim Jackson, one of Randy Ayers' many fine frosh, hit
	for 26 big ones.  He made 12 of 18 FG attempts, snared 7 boards,
	and dished out two assists.  Northwestern has now suffered 32
	consecutive road losses in the Big Ten, and lost for the 7th
	time in 8 games.  OSU is 7-1 at St. John's Arena this season.
	(Sorry for the lack of detail - all computers at Illinois are
	being shut down at noon CST today, for the rest of the afternoon
	it appears, so this is it).  Next for OSU:  Sunday vs. #10
	Louisville.  Next for Northwestern:  Saturday at #48 Iowa.
 
	#10 INDIANA 85, #62 WISCONSIN 61 (at Bloomington):  The Hoosiers
	ended their modest two-game losing streak by whipping up on
	Steve Yoder's fading Badgers.  Lyndon Jones, who had not played
	in two of the previous three games, sparked IU with 21 points.
	He was 8-9 from the floor, including 3-4 three-pointers.  One
	of them gave IU a 7-6 lead, and they never trailed again.  The
	Hoosiers led 34-22 at the break, and their defense kept Wisconsin
	at bay all night.  Calbert Cheaney, the super-frosh, scored 20
	for Bob Knight.  Wisconsin was led by Danny Jones' 23 (10-14
	shooting) and Willie Simms' 13.  Tim Locum was scoreless (appears
	as though he did not play much), but Hoosier school-boy Brian
	Good had 11 for the Badgers.  Wisconsin was only 4 of 13 from
	three-point land.  Next for IU:  Sunday at #14 Illinois.  Next
	for Wisconsin:  Saturday vs. #13 Michigan.
 
 
Tomorrow:
 
	#13 MICHIGAN at #62 WISCONSIN  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#17 MICHIGAN STATE at #7 PURDUE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#85 NORTHWESTERN at #48 IOWA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#181 St. Joseph's at #90 PeNn StAtE
 
Sunday:
 
	#10 Louisville at #36 OHIO STATE  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
	#20 INDIANA at #14 ILLINOIS  (ABC, 3:00 pm CST)
 
Monday:
 
	#7  PURDUE at #85 NORTHWESTERN  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
	#90 PeNn StAtE at #165 Lehigh
 
Next Thursday:  (no ESPN)
 
	#6  MINNESOTA at #14 ILLINOIS  (WGN, 7:00 pm CST)
	#20 INDIANA at #13 MICHIGAN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#48 IOWA at #36 OHIO STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#62 WISCONSIN at #17 MICHIGAN STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#123 Rhode Island at #90 PeNe StAtE
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		8-0	1.000	16-2	.889
		Minnesota	6-3	 .667	15-4	.789
		Michigan	5-3	 .625	15-4	.789
	 	Michigan State 	5-3	 .625	16-5	.762
		Illinois	5-4	 .556	15-4	.789
	 	Indiana		4-4	 .500	14-4	.778
		Ohio State	4-5	 .444	 9-9	.500
		Iowa		2-6	 .250	10-8	.556
	 	Wisconsin	2-7	 .222	11-10	.524
	 	Northwestern	1-7	 .125	 8-10	.444
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	6-3	 .667	12-5	.706
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    T, I think you've slipped to an all-new low.  Blaming "hand checks"
    as the reason the Gophs are winning!  Give it a rest, I don't think
    anyone is going to believe that.
    
    Let's talk about the Gophers horrible road record.  Why is it this
    bad.  It's all too obvious if you follow the Big10.  You may recall
    the alleged rape incident?  The result of that ruined this team
    for several years.  They couldn't recruit players comparable to
    third stringers on other Big10 teams.  What did you expect??  Again
    I say, other than Burton, who else off this group of seniors was
    even CONSIDERED by another Big10 school?  This "team" (and that's
    how they're winning, there are no blue-chippers) has played together
    long enough now and under Haskins leadership has learned how to win.
    When the Gopher fans see how far these no-name kids have come and
    how they're able to beat teams who many times have more athletic
    ability, we're not about to get down on them.  
    
    
    Spud  

    Re:.-1
    Talk about Executive Order from the White House, nothing more than
    screwing things up as usual.
    
    Charles

    Purdue lost to MSU at home....shooting STONE COLD in a low scoring
    contest.  I know it will happen, but did not think it would be at home. 
    I hope they will find a way to rebound well.  Monday on national TV
    against Northwestern.  Now they only have a 2 game lead over their
    closest pursuers, including MSU, and depending on other weekend game
    results, Michigan or Minnesota probably.
    
    I'm not feeling safe, yet.
    
    Charles

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-4-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: It's a race again...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Feb4.193325.7729@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 4 Feb 90 19:33:25 GMT
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Saturday's Results:
 
	#13 MICHIGAN 77, #62 WISCONSIN 63 (at Madison):  Michigan, playing
	without Sean Higgins (broken foot) and Demetrius Calip (flu),
	pounded the approaching-the-hapless Wisconsin Badgers in Madison.
	The Badgers came out flatter than Purdue (see below), and trailed
	28-8 before the once pumped-up Bleacher Creatures had a chance to	
	settle in.  Then, the Badgers got it going, and cut the halftime
	deficit to a workable 39-30.  However, the second half started
	out the same way the first half did, with Michigan quickly leading
	51-32, and the game was essentially over.  The closest Wisconsin
	got was 63-52 with 6:29 left.  Steve Yoder, who must be on the
	hotseat in Madison, said, "They were just too good for us".  Uh-huh.
	Terry Mills had 20 points and 14 boards, Loy Vaught had 18, and
	Rumeal Robinson had 17, including some of his patented great
	plays.  Danny Jones, who lately has gotten little help from his
	teammates, canned 25 for Wisconsin.  The Badgers were just 17-45
	from the floor.  Next for Michigan:  Thursday vs. #20 Indiana.
	Next for Wisconsin:  Thursday at #17 Michigan State (ouch!).
 
	#17 MICHIGAN STATE 64, #7 PURDUE 53 (at West Lafayette):  Maybe
	this was predictable.  Purdue was coming off of a huge thrashing
	of the Michigan Wolverines, and the Spartans had just got done
	losing a two-point heartbreaker at Michigan and a 5-pointer at
	home against Minnesota.  Could MSU be capable of losing three
	straight this season?  Jud Heathcote answered with an emphatic
	"NO" yesterday, in a game Purdue led twice, at 2-0, and 26-23.
	The game started off as business as usual.   Purdue got the tip
	and 33 seconds later, Steve Scheffler scored.  But, MSU followed
	with two trifectas, and you started to get this feeling in your
	gut that something big would happen.  State got up 9-4 before
	Purdue chipped the deficit to 17-16 more than halfway through
	the first stanza.  The Boilers then dominated the next few 
	minutes, and led 26-23 late.  But, the Boilers failed on three
	straight possessions with the three-point advantage, and MSU
	finished off the half the same way it started it, with two treys,
	to take a 29-26 lead into the locker room.  Purdue missed 8 of its
	first 9 shots and 13 of its first 15, this coming off of Wednesday's
	70% shooting performance at Ann Arbor.  The second half started off
	like the first did, with MSU jumping quickly out to a 36-28 lead.
	Purdue made a small run, cutting the game to 38-34 after a Steve
	Scheffler hoop.  But, MSU went on a 14-4 run and took a seemingly
	insurmountable 52-38 lead under the five minute mark.  After it
	was 54-40 and just over 4 minutes to go, Purdue displayed only it's
	second good period of the game, and with just 1:33 to go, trailed
	only 57-53.  Woody Austin's bank-in trifecta capped the rally.
	However, Purdue showed poor judgement down the stretch by 
	continually fouling Spartan sharpshooter Steve Smith, who made
	seven straight FTs and sealed the victory.  MSU scored the last
	seven points of the game, as Purdue strangly went for three-pointers
	when two-pointers inside would have sufficed.  Smith led the
	Spartans with 22, while Scheffler had 22 for Purdue.  MSU outrebounded
	the Boilers 37-28.  Scheffler was 8-16 from the field, a respectable
	number, but the rest of the Purdue team was a horrid 8-40, finishing
	16-56 for just 29%.  MSU's matchup, collapsing zone was too much of
	a riddle for Gene Keady to solve.  Next for MSU:  Thursday vs.
	#62 Wisconsin.  Next for Purdue:  Monday at #85 Northwestern.
 
	#48 IOWA 98, #85 NORTHWESTERN 80 (at Iowa City):  The Hawkeyes
	blitzed the reeling Wildcats before another enthusiastic sellout
	at Carver-Hawkeye Arena.  Les Jepsen tied a career high with
	24 points, and Matt Bullard had 20, as NU lost it's 24th straight
	at Iowa.  Iowa broke the game open late in the first half, holding
	the Cats to five points in the final 5:57, and took a large
	45-31 lead to the dressing room.  NU got as close as 56-43
	after a David Holmes' three-pointer with 15:01 left, but Iowa
	scored the next 10 points and the rout was on.  The biggest lead
	was 91-62 with 4:23 to go.  Rex Walters again led Northwestern
	with 18 points.  The 98 points was an Iowa season-high.  Iowa
	blitzed the Cats on the boards 47-25, but the Cats did can
	10-19 trifectas, or it would have been worse.  Next for Iowa:
	Thursday at #36 Ohio State.  Next for NU:  Monday vs. #7 Purdue.
 
	#90 PeNn StAtE 92, #181 St. Joseph's 72 (at State College):
	Next for PSU:  Monday at #165 Lehigh.
 
Today:
 
	#10 Louisville at #36 OHIO STATE  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST):  "With
	eleven minutes to go in the half, it's even at 16".  Gary Bender!
 
	#20 INDIANA at #14 ILLINOIS  (ABC, 3:00 pm CST)
 
Monday:
 
	#7  PURDUE at #85 NORTHWESTERN  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
	#90 PeNn StAtE at #165 Lehigh
 
Next Thursday:  (no ESPN)
 
	#6  MINNESOTA at #14 ILLINOIS  (WGN, 7:00 pm CST)
	#20 INDIANA at #13 MICHIGAN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#48 IOWA at #36 OHIO STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#62 WISCONSIN at #17 MICHIGAN STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#123 Rhode Island at #90 PeNe StAtE
 
Next Saturday:
 
	#62 WISCONSIN at #48 IOWA  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#17 MICHIGAN STATE at #36 OHIO STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#85 NORTHWESTERN at #20 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Next Sunday:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS at #13 MICHIGAN  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
	#7  PURDUE at #6 MINNESOTA  (Big Ten/Raycom or ABC, 3:00 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		8-1	1.000	16-3	.842
		Michigan	6-3	 .667	16-4	.800
		Minnesota	6-3	 .667	15-4	.789
	 	Michigan State 	6-3	 .667	17-5	.773
		Illinois	5-4	 .556	15-4	.789
	 	Indiana		4-4	 .500	14-4	.778
		Ohio State	4-5	 .444	 9-9	.500
		Iowa		3-6	 .333	11-8	.579
	 	Wisconsin	2-8	 .200	11-11	.500
	 	Northwestern	1-8	 .111	 8-11	.421
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	7-3	 .700	13-5	.722
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    Wow Denny call a TO will ya....
    
    Super comeback by OSU yesterday against Louisville. The Cardinals blew
    a 17 point lead in the second half when Felton Spencer went to the
    bench with his fourth foul and Denny Crum tried to slow his troops
    from the bench instead of taking a timeout to regroup and set the
    defense. Excellent use of the press by OSU forced quite a few turnovers
    during the rally. 
    
    Again kudos have to go to Randy Ayers who used all of the 30 seconds
    allowed to replace a man who had fouled out. He effectively froze 
    Labradford Smith who is an 80+% free throw shooter who missed a one
    and one situation with 4 seconds left in regulation. OSU was down
    4 in the OT before ralling for the win....
    
    mike

    Ayers made a believer of me....

    T,
    
    I misquoted you?  Silly me, I thought when you said in .221:
    
    "Their (Gophers) guards beat you up with brutal hand checks" 
    
    and
    
    "Teams need to know how to handle Minnesota's wandering hands..."
    
    that you meant what you said.  What part of your notes should we
    believe as fack?  BTW, you really ought to (tm) that "brutal hand
    checks" phrase.  I was rollward.
    
    Yeah, these Gophers sure are a rough bunch of thugs.  I've always
    thought Heathcoat was a crybaby and Bobby, well he speaks for himself.
    As for other coaches, I don't know where you heard that from.  Saying
    the Gopher players are more physical than a Jepsen or Scheffler (to name
    just a couple) is ridiculous.    
    
    Maybe you caught Sid's show yesterday.  As probably Bobby's biggest
    booster in the country, they had a good ol' heart to heart when
    Redbelly was in town.  Sid couldn't belive it, but Bobby said that
    the officiating has gotten better the last couple of weeks in the
    Big10.  Hmmm, I don't remember Bobby complaining about the officiating 
    after the blowout?  
    
    Let's see, what did I miss and what are the real issues I'm avoiding?
    Would it be the deafening SILENCE I've received from you on the
    return match at IU???  Would it be the disappointing season Bobby
    and his "All-Blue-Chip-Band" is experiencing? 
    
    If the Gophs win their next two games, you'll have to start sweating
    the reality that we can come back and win the Big10.  I know you'd
    love that!
    
    
    Spud

    >As for our "disappointing season," I don't know what you're talking
    >about.  It's a band of freshmen who lost their best player.  They're
    >15-4 right now with a good shot at the tourney.  Not bad for a
    >rebuilding year coming off a Big10 Title.  

Hmm.  I was assuming that IU would use last year's Title as a 
spring board.  Sprinkle in the best recruiting class in the country
and the fans should be talking NCAA title, not trying to squeeze
into the field of 64,

But somehow between the end of last year and now
IU lost its two best players (and neither to graduation).

It probably has NOTHING to do with RedBelly's personality.

Dan

    >Don't
    >even bother protesting this truth, cuz if you do then you're talking
    >on-court results

Your "truth" seems to be quite different than that the rest of us deal with
day-to-day.  I mean, let's take a looksee at these on-court results.  
IU was a pre-season powerhouse, who fattened up on a pre-conference
cream-puff schedule.  And since they entered the conference they've
had a couple of losses to teams that they were considered better than
just a few months ago.  And now through all of your soft soap you want me
to believe that it will be "overachievement" if they manage to call themselves 
one of the best 64 teams in the country at the end of the regular season.  Hah!

Take the best team [they won the only meaningful conference title (source:
MrT)], IU,from the best conference (source: MrT) in the country, the Big 10.
Add to that the best recruiting class in the country (source: various 
journals and MrT).  Then start a pattern of good (source: MrT) losses.

If any other coach perpetrated this mess above, you would be calling it
underachievement.  But then your terms seem to have these floating
definitions to fit whatever cirumstances happen to exist (see "truth"
above).

    >I predicted right here in this file nine months ago that ThunderBurp
    >wouldn't make it. 

I don't know about that, but I know that after the in_violation_of_NCAA_
rules recruiting that landed the big guy, you told us that Funderburke
made the right choice and cited his need and desire for discipline.  What
a perfect match, eh?  All the kid's fault I suppose?  All of 18 years
old, conspired against to not attend the college of his choice, driven
from the college that won him, and now he can go to a basketball
factory-type JuCo, that's okay with Knight.  He doesn't want to hear
his name anymore.  Washed his hands of him, and the lackey's like
you only blame the kid.

   >Jay Edwards left for the dough.  Funny, didn't see you over in 25
   > impugning 'Snuff Smif's personality based on JR Ried's early departure.

Oh yeah.  Smith offered some wise professionally-minded advise to JR.
Nothing to impugn there.  Edwards had as spotty an IU career as could
be imagined what with the grade problems, the drug problems, etc.  And 
where are his big bucks? Some predicted big things for him in the NBA,
but most saw that he needed seasoning which fate has conspired to 
deny him.  Is he adding to the Indiana legend at the end of an NBA bench 
just now, or is he CBA material?  I haven't heard his name in a long time,
and that obscurity is testimony that he should have gotten more from
IU.  If he had gone to UNC originally, he'd still be there now and be better
off for it.

    >It speaks volumes that you interpret his leaving as a matter of
    >"personality" instead of "methodology."
 
Volumes.  Such as never being subjected to the brainwashing you've
indulged in.

Dan

    
    "And now for something completely different" :^)
    
    Charles, perhaps you were shaking a bit last night? Another excellent
    monday nite affair. Purdue wins to go 9-1 in the conference. Watching
    Purdue was like watching the movie Hooisers, they are really into four
    passes first then look to the goal. They opened the game making 13-14
    shots to open up a halftime lead (dozed off here). Woke up to catch the
    last 12 minutes or so of the game and Northwestern came all the way
    back and actually lead for a bit. Purdue settled down got back into
    their pattern offense fed the big guy and won. Biggest key was Walker
    Lambiotte missing a one and one with about a minute left and Purdue up
    by two..
    
    Can't say that the big ten is the best conference out there but it is
    definately the toughest from top to bottom. Which makes Purdue's 5-0
    road record amazing....
    
    mike

    Thanks, Mike, new Big Ten/Purdue admirer :) :)

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-5-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: A bad day for ABC...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Feb5.212300.6697@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 5 Feb 90 21:23:00 GMT
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Sunday's Results:
 
	#36 OHIO STATE 91, #10 Louisville 88 (at Columbus):  It took the
	Buckeyes about 25 minutes to get ready, and when they did, they
	looked super.  Louisville broke open a 26-26 tie with a 21-12
	run to end the first half, taking a 47-38 lead into the lockerroom.
	The Cardinals were dominant, and the early portion of the second
	half showed more of the same.  The 'Ville ran out to a 57-40 lead,
	and the game appeared over.  But, Felton Spencer's 4th foul lit
	a fire under Perry Carter, and the OSU press turned the game 
	around.  The Buckeyes turned the 17 point deficit in to a five
	point lead at 74-69 (34-12 run), but some great three point shooting
	by Louisville forced a 79-all tie at the end of regulation.  The
	Cardinals got the first hoop of the OT, then got the ball after
	an OSU miss, but couldn't maintain control.  And still, with the
	game in the balance, Jim Jackson made a great dunk of an airball
	with 15 seconds left to win it.  Louisville's final three point
	tries failed, though they were 10-15 on the afternoon.  Jackson
	had 21 points and Carter 20, and Treg Lee played better than I've
	ever seen from him.  LA Smith had 24 for Denny Crum's squad.
	St. John's Arena was a zoo!  Next for OSU:  Thursday vs. #48 Iowa.
 
	#14 ILLINOIS 70, #20 INDIANA 65 (at Champaign):  Wish I could tell
	you more about this one, but even the LOCAL folx didn't see the
	first 17 MINUTES of this game!  Why would ABC switch the viewers
	of OSU-Louisville to Texas-Arkansas when nowhere did it show that
	the latter would be shown?  Hey, once your promised first game is
	over, you should be switched to your promised second game, not the
	other first game which someone in NY decided you shouldn't get in
	the first place!!!  So, I'm sure there are some pretty unhappy
	Hoosiers in Indiana and Illini in Illinois today!  Anyway, IU
	fought back in the first half from a 7-point deficit to tie it
	at the half at 29.  The Hoosiers got the first hoop of the second
	half, but then Illinois took charge of the game, and had the
	lead as large as 52-40 before IU charged back again.  Not to
	be embarrassed to straight weeks on national TV, the Hoosiers
	consistently got the lead to within 3 points, but no closer, thanks
	to some clutch FTs by Marcus Liberty and Steve Bardo.  The Hoosiers
	hit a couple of nice trifectas down the stretch.  Bardo and Bob
	Knight left the floor arm-in-arm (Knight coached Steve's older
	brother, Craig, back some years ago).  Neither team shot very
	well (IU: 45%, UI: 45%), but it was a good ballgame to watch.  Of
	course, you only saw 23 minutes of it...  Kendall Gill was awesome
	with 25 points, while Calbert Cheaney looked great himself with 17.
	Eric Anderson chipped in with 18.  Next for Illinois:  Thursday
	vs. #6 Minnesota.  Next for IU:  Thursday at #13 Michigan.
 
Tonight:
 
	#7  PURDUE at #85 NORTHWESTERN  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
	#90 PeNn StAtE at #165 Lehigh
 
Thursday:  (no ESPN)
 
	#6  MINNESOTA at #14 ILLINOIS  (WGN, 7:00 pm CST)
	#20 INDIANA at #13 MICHIGAN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#48 IOWA at #36 OHIO STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#62 WISCONSIN at #17 MICHIGAN STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#123 Rhode Island at #90 PeNe StAtE
 
Saturday:
 
	#62 WISCONSIN at #48 IOWA  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#17 MICHIGAN STATE at #36 OHIO STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#85 NORTHWESTERN at #20 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Next Sunday:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS at #13 MICHIGAN  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
	#7  PURDUE at #6 MINNESOTA  (Big Ten/Raycom, 3:00 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		8-1	 .888	16-3	.842
		Michigan	6-3	 .667	16-4	.800
		Minnesota	6-3	 .667	15-4	.789
	 	Michigan State 	6-3	 .667	17-5	.773
		Illinois	6-4	 .600	16-4	.800
	 	Indiana		4-5	 .444	14-5	.737
		Ohio State	4-5	 .444	10-9	.526
		Iowa		3-6	 .333	11-8	.579
	 	Wisconsin	2-8	 .200	11-11	.500
	 	Northwestern	1-8	 .111	 8-11	.421
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	7-3	 .700	13-5	.722
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-6-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: Purdue hangs on...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Feb6.181933.22829@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 6 Feb 90 18:19:33 GMT
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Last Night:
 
	#7  PURDUE 67, #85 NORTHWESTERN 60 (at Evanston):  For the second
	straight game, the Boilermakers did not look like a team that should
	be leading the Big Ten.  Woody Austin opened the game with a bomb to
	give Purdue a 3-0 lead.  Purdue went on to make 12 of it's next 13
	shots, the only miss being a Chuckie White airball (one of many from
	him.  He also missed a dunk.) which was putback for a hoop anyway.
	Yet, Purdue could not shake NU because it was otherwise getting
	outplayed in most other facets of the game (eg., hustle, rebounding,
	etc.).  The Boilers eventually did claim a 35-24 lead with 5 minutes
	to go in the opening stanza, but NU clawed back and Purdue's halftime
	advantage was only 38-33.  Purdue had made a whopping 15-21 in the
	half, but NU was 13-29 and had outrebounded the Boilers 14-10.  In
	the first four minutes of the second half, Purdue started to pull
	away again, and led 46-37 before going on a NINE minute field goal
	drought.  The result was a 50-49 NU lead with about 7 minutes to
	go.  If it hadn't been for several NU turnovers during this stretch,
	the Cats would have had a nice lead.  Purdue finally woke
	up again when it found itself down 54-51 with just over 6 minutes
	left.  The Boilers managed to forge a 59-57 lead, and then NU
	tied it for the last time.  Purdue then went on to score 8 of the
	game's final 9 points, with some clutch FT shooting by Austin making
	the difference, along with a couple of Jimmy Oliver j's.  However,
	Purdue did manage to miss both ends of an intentional foul and the
	front end of a bonus in the final 25 seconds, but the Cats couldn't
	cash in at the other end.  Northwestern outrebounded Purdue 33-24,		as Brian Schwabe pulled in 10 (he used some nice armlocks on 
	Steve Scheffler last night).  Unfortunately for NU, he fouled out
	down the stretch.  Scheffler ended up with 16 and Tony Jones 11.
	Jones had a great defensive game against the Big Ten's leading
	scorer, NU guard Rex Walters (21+ ppg), who managed only 10 points
	and just one trifecta.  Schwabe led NU with 12.  Next for Purdue:
	Sunday at #6 Minnesota.  Next for NU:  Saturday at #20 Indiana.
 
	#90 PeNn StAtE 64, #165 Lehigh 60 (at Bethlehem): Next for PSU:  
	Thursday vs. #123 Rhode Island.  PSU is tied for second in the
	Atlantic 10 with Rhode Island and Rutgers, 1.5 games behind
	John Chaney's Temple Owls (9-2).  The Lions have the best overall
	record of any Atlantic 10 team (14-5).  They have an outside shot
	at an NCAA tournament bid, which should make the Atlantic 10
	fathers quite unhappy...
 
 
Thursday:  (no ESPN)
 
	#6  MINNESOTA at #14 ILLINOIS  (WGN, 7:00 pm CST)
	#20 INDIANA at #13 MICHIGAN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#48 IOWA at #36 OHIO STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#62 WISCONSIN at #17 MICHIGAN STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#123 Rhode Island at #90 PeNn StAtE
 
Saturday:
 
	#62 WISCONSIN at #48 IOWA  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#17 MICHIGAN STATE at #36 OHIO STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#85 NORTHWESTERN at #20 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#90 PeNn StAtE at #181 St. Joseph's
 
Sunday:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS at #13 MICHIGAN  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
	#7  PURDUE at #6 MINNESOTA  (Big Ten/Raycom, 3:00 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		9-1	 .900	17-3	.850
		Michigan	6-3	 .667	16-4	.800
		Minnesota	6-3	 .667	15-4	.789
	 	Michigan State 	6-3	 .667	17-5	.773
		Illinois	6-4	 .600	16-4	.800
	 	Indiana		4-5	 .444	14-5	.737
		Ohio State	4-5	 .444	10-9	.526
		Iowa		3-6	 .333	11-8	.579
	 	Wisconsin	2-8	 .200	11-11	.500
	 	Northwestern	1-9	 .100	 8-12	.400
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	7-3	 .700	14-5	.737
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re: .243  (MrT, Sports Anal-retentive Analyst)

I get it MrT, that's your way of saying that those were GOOD LOSSES!

'Fess up, everyone had this team as top 10 material all year long.  They
shouldn't be playing just "competitively" against the good teams, they
should be beating 'em.

And these poor young frosh, at least the one that Bobby hasn't
Spitefully driven from the team, you make them sound like such
innocents against the rest of the beastly Big 10 schedule.  Well,
I found out last night that our friend, Bobby Knight, has found
an exposed loophole in NCAA rules.  These kids aren't as young 
and inexperienced as the fan might think.

Ya see, the NCAA says no basketball practice until October, and most
coaches observe that.  But it seems that Bobby knows how to play a 
little fast and loose with the rules.  He took all his incoming freshmen
and set up this hoax and called them an AAU team, and apparently
drilled them in Bob School all summer long, didn't he T?  For some 
reason, if Bob calls it an AAU team, then it's all okay with the NCAA.

Heavens if Tark, or Valvano did such a thing.  And can anyone imagine 
the uproar if Dean or Thompson was caught with the hand in this cookie jar.

But this was Bobby Knight, and remember the rules: he's not to be
criticized for anything, not when MrT's on patrol.

Dan

AH, I see it all now.  Thanks for clearing that up.  A good loss is not a
"Good Loss" when MrT can find something to praise about Bobby Knight
in the loss and nothing negative to say about Dean Smith.

Kinda like the definitions you use for Overachievement and 
Underachievement.

Re:  the AAU team farce, so that Bobby could coach his incoming
freshmen before the NCAA gives him the okay.

You said it's "quite common practice".  If so, it's one I'm not familiar
with, nor were some of college basketball's experts who pointed out
that Knight did it.  I imagine it's been done before, but done with the
intent of the rule in mind, to make real teams for competition sakes,
and not just some flimsy excuse so you can pound basketball into
your own teams head in semi-violation of the rule's intent.

BTW, Dean's cleaner than Bobby, not just "as clean".  But we needn't 
go into that now.  I can sense you want to defile some honest
clean witness over in 110.

Dan

    >No, in fack Dean's NOT cleaner, he coaches in the ACC, which
    >means he isn't constrained by several of the rules and standards
    >unique to the Big10, some in fack inspired by Bob.

Considering your weak law career, I'm not surprised that you would
present the above irrelevant point as evidence to your allegation
that Dean is only as clean as Bob.  Your point merely addresses the
maximum abuses a coach in either conference could legally perform.

For your point to make any sense, you would have to prove that at
least Dean is stretching the rules of the ACC as far as they can go.

   >After all, you've admitted that
   > you're not that knowledgeable on college basketball, and on that
   > at least we cain agree.

No, T, all I said is I wasn't an avid college hoops fan for that long.  It's
not brain surgery, so admitting relative inexperience is *not* tantamount
to lack of knowledge.

Unfortunately, seeing as how you've ducked the issue of Bobby Knight's
current disappointing season, you've taken up your usual MO, an
ad hominem attack.  Par for the course.

Dan

    Funny how some college coaches can have consistently good, if not
    great, teams year in and year out and almost never have to drag
    out the "it's a rebuilding year" excuse.
    
    Smith, Thompson, Boeheim, Crum, Krzyzewski, ...
    
    Oh, sure, they're no way, no how, the equal of the great and
    almighty General Robert Montgomery Knight.
    
    They also never seem to have to rebuild.
    
    Bob Hunt

       Rebuild from What? they've won a total of what, 3 titles combined?
                                         Denny

I'd rather take a team on a 4 year journey culminating in the CHampeenship
and then start all over again then consistantly field decent teams that never
seem to be good enough to grab the brass ring.

JMHO,

  Metz

    Metz,
    
    Actually, I agree with you (and T, for that matter) ...
    
    If, in fact, Knight does indeed adhere to a "cycle" philosophy of
    gearing up for a title run every 3- years, then so be it.  He's
    allowed to set his own strategy.   Joe Paterno preaches this very
    concept.
         
    I just find it interesting to watch T squirm as his young Hoosiers
    learn how to pop their pimples and learn the General's system at
    the same time.
    
    My only point in bringing up the other four or five coaches who
    have four NCAA titles among them, by te way, is that they very
    rarely ever use the "rebuilding" cliche/excuse to explain their
    rare down years.
    
    Bob Hunt

    Saw this ad in the Sporting News yesterday:
    
    Call Bobby Knight (with a picture of the General nattily clad in
    a white sweater, clapping his hands and yelling)
    
    Bobby Knight.  Lays it on the line.  Fiery - funny.  Speaks his
    mind.  Inspiring - infuriating.  Weekly "behind the scenes" insights.
    Get a no-bull earful from Bobby.  Give him an earful back.  Find
    out what he likes - who he doesn't.  Get the latest on the basketball
    scene.
    
    Ask a question.  Listen to what others have to say.
    
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>   The PERSONALITY LINE tm
    
>   Call 1-900-454-0111
    
>   Call costs $2.00 for first minute, $1.00 for each additional minute.

	Or to make it easier call 1-900-EGO-TRIP

       I wonder if he gets his material from Jose Canseco.
                                     Denny

    I hope the FCC knows about this. (If not I just might blow the
    whistle.)  Can't believe it.  Just can't.  This thing should be 
    banned just like those porno-call numbers.  Why, I shudder to 
    think of the possibilities if my *children* were to get ahold of 
    that number!  ;^)
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    What's next, T ???
    
    Call 1-900-PLATO ???
    
    Call 1-900-HOMER ???
    
    Call 1-900-VOLTAIRE ???
    
    I really do have to tip my hat to you.   Only you would see Bob
    Knight's plunge into 900-land as a humanitarian gesture and a sign
    of Bob's appreciation for the capitalist system.
    
    However, I would suggest that Bob come up with a catchier phone
    number.  Something like ...
    
    Call 1-900-HEAVE-CHAIR 	or	Call 1-900-LAY-BACK	or
    Call 1-900-RANT-N-RAVE	or	Call 1-900-NO-RUSSIANS
    
    Bob Hunt

    
    Congrats T, you finally made me delve into the dictionary, TORPOR.
    
    Bob,
    If you get an answer from Plato, Homer, or Voltaire; may I suggest your
    next call be to Elvis. Concerning your other "numbers"; is the ACC's
    official number 1-900-cover-up? Or 1-900-cheat? Or 1-900-grade-fix? 

    You turned the tide big time over in 110 ???
    
    Oh, really ???   All you've managed to do of any substance is to
    ask a few questions, get a few responses, and then twist them
    around to fit your picture.  Dan says "convinced"; you say
    "coerced".  Yawn.
    
    All the rest of the 110 drivel is highly entertaining but severely
    lacking in the "beef" department.  More like a huge bowl full of
    some soybean substance.  When you start producing "real" evidence
    rather than get your so-called witnesses to give you words that
    you can twist, then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
    
    Besides, it would be deliciously ironic if Wapner really was Dan
    Schneider.  I guess then your "innocent college prank" from last
    summer would be repaid in full.
    
    As for Bob Knight, let's not go down another rathole on this guy.
    
    I will agree with you that Bob Knight is an amazing college
    basketball coach.  He may, indeed, be the best coach in the game. 
    I was just as amazed as you were last year at his Big Ten title. 
    He establishes his authority, sticks to his principles, and his
    players improve not only their skills but their maturity as well.
    I approved of the stand he took last year that all these
    made-for-tube mid-week night games were detrimental to his
    students' real reason for being in college.  Their books.
    
    But, Bob Knight is a public image nightmare and you know it.  
    From "The Chair" to "Puerto Rico" to "No More Russkies" to "Connie
    Chung" to "Pounding The Phone" to "A Season On The Brink" and all
    the rest.  Bob Knight, *in my opinion*, presents an image of a
    very intense, agressive, and, yes, immature human being.   He
    needs to calm down some.  There are others who can approach his
    level of excellence without resorting to asshole-ery like The
    General does.
    
    If that's what it takes to get three titles, then he can keep
    them.  John Wooden got *TEN* titles and was light-years ahead of
    Knight in class and attitude.
    
    Bob Knight is an astounding talent.  He's also his own worst
    enemy..
    
    Please don't bother responding to this in any great T-length. 
    I'm not interested in a rebuttal.  Just take this as my opinion,
    however low and misguided you think it is, and let it pass you by.
    
    Take care ...
    
    Bob Hunt

    
    Bingo, Bob.  It's been my opinion for some time that Bob Knight is the
    best active college coach in the game, but that he's the Bo
    Schembechler of the hardwood.  He's simply demonstrated the poorest
    sportsmanship and judgement over the years as anyone I've ever seen,
    and as a teacher of kids, not professionals, that's significant.  In
    spite of T's protestations, I don't think that even Bob is proud of
    that record.
    
    glenn
     

    Agreed. Wooden was so classy, says his ex-players (to a man), that
    he could say "Gracious sakes alive !" and get more impact with that,
    than Knight could with 1,000 obscenties ....
    
    And T, you leave Thompson out of it. All you can come up with is
    this alleged incident with Pitino. 
    
    Face the facts T, Knight is in a (lack of) class by himself.

    
    Has anyone seen Marcus Liberty today?  Best comment of yesterday's game
    by Dicky V came when ML fouled out
    
    "He just made it official he's been out if all day"...
    
    Too bad cause if Liberty had come to play they could have beaten
    Michigan. Dicky was getting on my case ranting and raving about 
    Terry Mills yesterday. Of course he and Vaught should dominate
    against the Illini's undersized frontcourt.
    
    And I'm tired of hearing how great Rameal is. He's no all-american in
    my book or even the big ten.
    
    My picks would be Kendall Gill (fabulous game yesterday, kept the Ilini
    in it) and Smith from MSU for best in the big ten.....
    
    mike
    

    
    "alleged incident with Pitino"
    
    
    Alleged? No alleged to it. Thompson let his violent teachings get the
    best of him in front of a national TV audience when he attacked Pitino
    after the game.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    Dr. Malpractice as "nimrod supreme."  I love it!  
    
    
    Spud

I always thought Nimrod was a Mighty Hunter...

    Ok, Hoot. Now Thompson is a practioner of 'violent teachings'.
    
    You are good for a laugh, I'll say that .....
    
    Tell me, should Big John join the IRA ? The Red Brigade ?

    
>    And again, congrat's to Purdue on their Big10 Championship.

	Cut it out, MrT!!!  We know you're putting the same whammy
	you laid on the Broncos onto the Boilers... just hoping that
	your beloved Hoosiers get a shot at knocking them out of
	first on the 19th.

    
    I don't know T he wasn't all that hot in the Iowa game I saw either.
    Maybe it just coincidence but I never seen the kid play anywhere
    near the hype that was layed at his feet. I remember him dominating
    an SI article on the McDonald's Series during his HS Senior year.
    One thing for sure he could use about 30 pounds....
    
    mike

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-9-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: A home bonanza...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Feb9.184210.25514@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 9 Feb 90 18:42:10 GMT
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Last Night:
 
	#15 ILLINOIS 99, #5 MINNESOTA 72 (at Champaign):  Illinois came out
	of the gate fast, and except for the last several minutes of the first
	half, totally demolished the Gophers.  Minnesota got out of it's
	offensive scheme very quickly, and ended up firing 32 three-point
	attempts, only 4 of which tickled the twine!  Kevin Lynch was a
	pathetic 1-10 from 3-point land.  The Gophers for the game were only
	29 of 86 from the floor (34%), and committed 30 fouls.  Lynch and
	Melvin Newbern, who "taunted" Illinois players at Minneapolis
	in January and who was booed last night every time he touched the
	ball, were a combined 5 for 28 from the field.  Marcus Liberty was
	the story last night, as he scored 33 points ("That's the best I've
	ever seen Marcus Liberty play, including high school." - Kendall
	Gill) on 11-15 FG shooting and 11-13 FT shooting.  Illinois, in fact,
	was 35-42 from the stripe.  The Illini broke away from an early
	exchange of baskets to lead 9-5 at the first TO, then the floodgates
	opened.  By the time it was 23-11, Clem Haskins had been hit with
	two T's and was close to getting ejected.  When the lead hit 29-16,
	Minnesota put on a mini-rally and by halftime trailed just 44-36.
	The Gophers hit the first shot of the second half to make it 44-38,
	but Illinois blitzed them on a 10-0 run over the next 3 minutes,
	and at 54-38, the rout was on.  On a couple of occasions late, the
	Illini led by as many as 32 points (I think!).  All-in-all, a very
	dominating performance, one that still makes Illinois an extremely
	dangerous team down the tournament road, if they can capture this
	spirit again.  Kendall Gill tossed in 26, while Willie Burton's
	26 and Jim Shikenjanski's 17 were the only Gopher bright spots.
	An interesting stat:  in Big Ten play, at home Minnesota has a 92-75
	scoring advantage, but on the road, a 77-84 deficit.  The records
	are 5-0, 1-4.  Next for Illinois:  Sunday at #16 Michigan.  Next 
	for Minnesota: Sunday vs. #9 Purdue (ouch!).
 
	#16 MICHIGAN 79, #19 INDIANA 71 (at Ann Arbor):  In a game that
	was pretty close most of the way, the Wolverines ended their
	Hoosier three-game losing streak and stayed in the hunt.  At
	times, Michigan was brilliant, and at others, awful.  But, that's
	been their story all season.  From a 17-16 advantage, Michigan
	put on a clinic over a 3-minute blitz, to lead 28-16 with 8:37
	remaining in the first half.  Bob Knight called a TO, and while
	Michigan made the score 31-21 shortly thereafter, they never
	scored again in the half, while IU was running off a 12-0 streak
	of its own.  IU led 33-31 at the break.  In the second half, IU
	came out smoking, and led 43-36 with 17 minutes left.  But, 
	Michigan got brilliant again, and overtook IU 46-45.  After some
	back-and-forth, and Michigan leading 58-57, they hit another streak,
	and before you knew it, led 70-59.  The closest IU was able to 
	come after that was 6 points, as Michigan had trouble with it's
	delay game.  The two teams were a combined 1-15 from 3-point land.
	Loy Vaught had 19 and Rumeal Robinson 18 for Michigan, while IU
	was led by Eric Anderson and tall-frosh Chris Lawson's 20 each.
	Lawson is really starting to become a player.  Michigan did hammer
	IU on the boards 35-26.  Next for Michigan:  Sunday vs. #15
	Illinois.  Next for IU: Saturday vs. #95 Northwestern.
 
	#29 OHIO STATE 98, #41 IOWA 80 (at Columbus):  The Buckeyes led
	this one wire-to-wire in whipping the Hawkeyes for the second
	time this season.  From an early 8-7 lead, OSU made a 13-0 run
	to go up 21-7, and led 51-30 at the break.  The Buckeyes then
	scored 16 of the first 24 second half points, leading 67-38,
	and the final margin was the closest it got thereafter.  The
	Hawkeyes made a boatload of turnovers (30!).  Jim Jackson led
	six Buckeyes in double figures with 19 points, while Les Jepsen
	led Iowa with 14.  The Buckeyes are now 9-1 at St. John's Arena
	this season, the only loss being a 12-pointer to conference-
	leader Purdue.  Next for OSU:  Saturday vs. #17 Michigan State.
	Next for Iowa:  Saturday vs. #72 Wisconsin.
 
	#17 MICHIGAN STATE 60, #72 WISCONSIN 57 (at East Lansing):  This
	was another near-miss for the Badgers, but this time, on the
	road.  Kirk Manns hit the shot which gave MSU the margin it needed
	with 29 seconds left, while three-point attempts by Larry Hisle
	and Brian Good failed for Steve Yoder before time expired.  It
	was a game of lost opportunities for the Badgers, and they made
	only 11 of 24 free throw attempts.  The Spartans had one of those
	nights where it just wouldn't click, but managed to hang on
	anyway.  From a 29-all halftime tie, the Spartans did dominate
	the game for a bit, leading 43-35 with 11:50 to go.  But, Wisconsin
	had the lead cut to two at 57-55 with just 2:30 left.  Then, with
	the score the same and only 1:04 left, Willie Simms missed the
	front end of a bonus, and Kirk Manns later hit his J to make it 59-55.
	Danny Jones drained two FTs with 18 seconds left to cut it to
	59-57 again, but Steve Smith hit one FT with 13 ticks left and
	the Badgers failed with the long ones until the horn sounded.
	Manns had 19 and Smith 15 for MSU, while Jones had 19 and Good 13
	for Wisconsin.  MSU was outrebounded 30-22.  Both teams shot over
	50%, but only 85 shots were taken in the game!  One of those 
	defensive struggles which Yoder likes...   Next for MSU:  Saturday
	at #29 Ohio State.  Next for Wisconsin:  Saturday at #41 Iowa.
 
	#83 Penn State 74, #105 Rhode Island 67 (at State College):
	Next for PSU:  Saturday at #192 St. Joseph's.
 
Tomorrow:
 
	#72 WISCONSIN at #41 IOWA  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#17 MICHIGAN STATE at #29 OHIO STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#95 NORTHWESTERN at #19 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#83 PeNn StAtE at #192 St. Joseph's
 
Sunday:
 
	#15 ILLINOIS at #16 MICHIGAN  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
	#9  PURDUE at #5 MINNESOTA  (Big Ten/Raycom, 3:00 pm CST)
 
Monday:
 
	#17 MICHIGAN STATE at #41 IOWA  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
Next Wednesday:
 
	#95 NORTHWESTERN at #15 ILLINOIS [7:00 pm CST]
 
Next Thursday:
 
	#16 MICHIGAN at #5 MINNESOTA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#29 OHIO STATE at #72 WISCONSIN  (ESPN, 8:00 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		9-1	 .900	17-3	.850
		Michigan	7-3	 .700	17-4	.810
	 	Michigan State 	7-3	 .700	18-5	.783
		Illinois	7-4	 .636	17-4	.810
		Minnesota	6-4	 .600	15-5	.750
		Ohio State	5-5	 .500	11-9	.550
	 	Indiana		4-6	 .400	14-6	.700
		Iowa		3-7	 .300	11-9	.550
	 	Wisconsin	2-9	 .182	11-12	.478
	 	Northwestern	1-9	 .100	 8-12	.400
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	8-3	 .727	15-5	.750
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-12-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: It's getting closer...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Feb12.153824.25863@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 12 Feb 90 15:38:24 GMT
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Saturday's Results:
 
	#72 WISCONSIN 80, #41 IOWA 71 (at Iowa City):  Iowa's season hit
	rock bottom Saturday as the Badgers inflicted a thorough whipping
	on the Hawkeyes at Iowa City.  In fact, it was Wisconsin's first
	Big Ten road victory and two of it's three conference wins have
	been at the expense of Iowa.  The Badgers hit 77% of their fielders
	in the first half in blowing out to a 43-30 halftime lead.  They
	hit 6 of 7 treys in the stanza.  This came after Iowa had taken a
	quick 7-2 lead (James Moses hit the first three Hawkeye baskets).
	With 14:02 left in the game, the Badgers led 54-32 after a Tim Locum 
	bomb, and coasted home.  Tom Davis, described as "despondent" after 
	the game, said, "It's a pretty disappointed lockerroom.  I'm awfully 
	disappointed we couldn't get a win at home and that we couldn't play 
	better.  When we're a little off, we're a lot off."  Larry Hisle
	and Brian Good combined for 34 Badger points.  Danny Jones, who
	had 10, needs just two points to become the Wisconsin career 
	scoring leading, and will pass Claude Gregory, a Badger legend.
	Les Jepsen was a one-man gang for Iowa, scoring 24 points and 
	snaring 14 boards.  Next for Wisconsin:  Thursday vs. #29 Ohio
	State.  Next for Iowa:  Tonight vs. #17 Michigan State.
 
	#17 MICHIGAN STATE 84, #29 OHIO STATE 75 (at Columbus):  Ohio
	State won the first half, and looked very good, but MSU won
	the second half, and looked even better.  Jud Heathcote, ever the
	jokester, said about his halftime talk, "I beat the crap out of
	about four guys.".  Ohio State had several large first half leads,
	settling for a 39-33 halftime advantage.  But, MSU came out strong
	in the second half, as the great guard duo of Steve Smith and
	Kirk Manns took the game over, scoring 25 and 24, respectively,
	for the game.  Smith was 5-7 from three-point land, while Manns
	was 5-8, shooting which is tough to beat.  MSU also outrebounded
	the Buckeyes by a whopping 41-25.  Ohio State had scoring balance,
	as Mark Baker had 19, Perry Carter 18, and Jim Jackson 16, but it
	wasn't enough, as this game really wasn't close down the stretch.
	Jud became the all-time winnningest Spartan coach, passing Ben
	VanAlstyne (1927-1949) for career wins.  Jud is now 233-169 at
	State.  Next for MSU:  Tonight at #41 Iowa.  Next for OSU:
	Thursday at #72 Wisconsin.
 
	#19 INDIANA 98, #95 NORTHWESTERN 75 (at Bloomington):  Northwestern
	fought gamely, as usual, but the result was the same in this
	high-scoring affair at Bob Knight's house.  Eric Anderson, who
	said, "It's a lot more fun and you don't have to mess around with
	the big guys", in response to Knight's moving him to forward and
	starting big Chris Lawson at center, scored 27 points on 12-17
	shooting, many of them jumpers.  IU led almost all of the first
	half, but could never shake the Cats, leading 50-40 at the break.
	The second half continued this way for the first several minutes
	before IU started to break it open.  Lawson was able to chip in
	12 points, while Calbert Cheaney had 15.  Again, Rex Walters,
	the little guard, led NU with 23 points.  Brian Schwabe added 13,
	but Walker Lambiotte continued his slide with just 6 points on
	2-8 shooting.  IU had a large 37-24 rebound advantage, and had
	22 assists to NU's 5.  Next for IU:  Saturday vs. #41 Iowa.  Next
	for NU:  Wednesday at #15 Illinois.
 
	#83 PeNn StAtE 61, #192 St. Joseph's 53 (at Philadelphia):  Next
	for PSU:  Tuesday at #50 Temple.
 
 
Sunday's Results:
 
	#16 MICHIGAN 93, #15 ILLINOIS 79 (at Ann Arbor):  Illinois blazed
	out of the gate again, hitting 10 of it's first 12 shots and led
	Michigan 22-11.  But, the Wolverines were too strong for this 
	knockout punch, scoring the next nine points.  The rest of the
	first half was closely contested before Loy Vaught's putback just
	before the halftime horn, and subsequent FT, gave Michigan a 41-
	38 lead it would never relinquish.  A slim 43-42 early second
	half lead was expanded to 47-42 on two fallaway jumpers by Rumeal
	Robinson (he shredded Illinois for 29 points), and soon thereafter
	the lead ballooned to 56-43.  Illinois never got closer than seven
	points thereafter.  The Wolverines were able to hit their FTs down
	the stretch to maintain and expand the lead to the final margin.
	Vaught had 16 and Terry Mills scored 20.  Vaught had a whopping
	18 rebounds.  Kendall Gill was a one-man gang with 29 points.
	Marcus Liberty never got into the flow after his 33 point outburst
	against Minnesota last week, scoring just 8 points on 2-7 shooting.	
	Michigan outrebounded Illinois 40-30.  Next for Michigan: Thursday
	at #5 Minnesota.  Next for Illinois:  Wednesday vs. #95 Northwestern.
 
	#5  MINNESOTA 73, #9 PURDUE 72 (at Minneapolis):  In perhaps the
	best game of the conference season so far, the Gophers 11-game
	home winning streak this season was put to the test by Purdue, but
	a twisting jumper in the lane by Melvin Newbern with 20 seconds
	left gave the Gophers the win and preserved perfection.  The
	first half was closely-contested, with Purdue's 27-21 lead being
	the half's largest.  A Gopher nine-point run made it 30-27, but
	Purdue fought back to take a 35-34 lead to the lockerroom amid
	boos from the homecrowd over an intentional foul assessed Hoosier
	Nate Tubbs for pulling down a Boilermaker with both arms.  The
	Gophers shot out of the dressing room on a tear, running out to
	a 41-36 lead.  Purdue closed it back up, but with the score 51-49
	at the 10:43 mark,  Minnesota ran off to a 59-49 lead, and the
	crowd was making some awesome noise.  But, Purdue held it's composure
	(something only Ohio State had managed to do at The Barn so far
	this season), and scored the game's next 10 points to tie it up.
	Trifectas by Woody Austin and Ryan Berning capped this rally.
	Purdue eventually went up 66-63 before Minnesota got it tied again
	at 66 and 68.  With 2:07 left, Loren Clyburn hit one FT to give
	the Boilers a slim 69-68 lead.  With 1:40 left, Kevin Lynch hit
	a tough baseline jumper to put Minnesota back ahead 70-69.  Tony
	Jones tied it up with an FT with 1:17 left (the two missed Purdue
	FTs would kill them eventually).  Kevin Lynch then hit the first
	of two FTs for a 71-70 Minnesota lead, but Richard Coffey managed
	to rebound the miss.  After a Gopher timeout, Melvin Newbern
	threw an errant pass which was picked off by Tony Jones, who got
	a breakaway slam with :52 remaining to give Purdue a 72-71 lead.
	With 20 seconds left, Newbern's J put Minnesota up for good.
	Purdue called a timeout, and Tony Jones 15-foot jumper with
	four seconds left hit the front of the rim, and the Gophers won.
	Gene Keady, who was extremely calm and complimentive to Minnesota
	on his postgame report, took out his frustration on a Williams
	Arena blackboard just after the game.  Steve Scheffler played
	nearly a perfect game, going 6-7 from the floor, 10-10 from
	the stripe (only one drew iron) and scoring 22 points.  Tony
	Jones added 13.  Minnesota was led by four players.  Willie
	Burton had 18, Kevin Lynch 16, Jim Shikenjanski (who is very
	underrated) 13 and Richard Coffey 12.  Newbern was only 3-6 for
	7 points, but got the big one.  Coffey had 11 of Minnesota's
	25 rebounds.  Lynch hit many clutch shots in the game.  Next for 
	Minnesota:  Thursday vs. #16 Michigan.  Next for Purdue:  Saturday 
	vs. #72 Wisconsin.
 
Tonight:
 
	#17 MICHIGAN STATE at #41 IOWA  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
Tuesday:
 
	#83 Penn State at #50 Temple
 
Wednesday:
 
	#95 NORTHWESTERN at #15 ILLINOIS [7:00 pm CST]
 
Thursday:
 
	#16 MICHIGAN at #5 MINNESOTA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#29 OHIO STATE at #72 WISCONSIN  (ESPN, 8:00 pm CST)
	#102 Rutgers at #83 Penn State
 
Saturday:
 
	#15 ILLINOIS at #17 MICHIGAN STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#41 IOWA at #19 INDIANA  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#5  MINNESOTA at #95 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#72 WISCONSIN at #9 PURDUE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#83 Penn State at #183 George Washington
 
Sunday:
 
	#16 MICHIGAN at #29 OHIO STATE  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
 
Next Monday:
 
	#19 INDIANA at #9 PURDUE  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		9-2	 .818	17-4	.810
		Michigan	8-3	 .727	18-4	.818
	 	Michigan State 	8-3	 .727	19-5	.792
		Minnesota	7-4	 .636	16-5	.762
		Illinois	7-5	 .583	17-5	.773
	 	Indiana		5-6	 .455	15-6	.714
		Ohio State	5-6	 .455	11-10	.524
		Iowa		3-8	 .273	11-10	.524
	 	Wisconsin	3-9	 .250	12-12	.500
	 	Northwestern	1-10	 .091	 8-13	.381
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	9-3	 .750  	16-5	.762
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From: afc@klaatu.cc.purdue.edu (Greg Flint)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Purdue's Keady on the last 30+ seconds of PU/Minn game of 11 Feb
Keywords: Purdue Keady basketball
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Quoted from the Monday, 12 Feb 1990 Lafayette Journal and Courier:
 
  The 6-foot-4 senior [Newbern] drove into the lane and hit a hanging
jumper with 32 seconds to play, giving Minnesota a 73-72 lead.
 
  "He made a tough shot," Keady said.  "I couldn't have asked for a
better defensive situation."
 
  The Boilermakers came down court and called a timeout with 13 seconds
on the clock -- much to Keady's dismay.
 
  "We had a play called, and I guess the guys didn't hear it," Keady said.
"We just practiced it about 15 times yesterday."
 
 ...
 
  So Keady set up a two-man game with [Tony] Jones and center Stephen
Scheffler.
 
  When Scheffler couldn't break free from Gopher center Jim Shikenjanski,
Jones pulled up on the left side for a shot behind a Scheffler screen.
 
  "Time was running out, I had to take a shot," Jones said.  "Shikenjanski
was overplaying Scheffler."
 
 ...
 
  Said Scheffler:  "The play got ugly at the end.  The play didn't work
exactly as planned."
 
 
---  END of J&C Article  ---
 
But why did Minn call a timeout with 2 seconds?  I presume that the player
must have been confused as to the score.  After the timeout, Minn threw a
pass the length of the floor that a Minn player just barely was able to bat
into the air -- a major league athletic move -- to let the :02 run out.
If the Minn player hadn't been able to reach the ball and flip it in the air,
the ball would have been out-of-bounds to Purdue under Purdue's basket!
 
A crazy ending to a very good game....
 
.....Greg Flint (afc@klaatu.cc.purdue.edu)

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-13-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: Simply Awesome...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Last Night:
 
	#17 MICHIGAN STATE 80, #41 IOWA 70 (at Iowa City):  Though Iowa
	outscored State 22-6 during the garbage period at the end, this
	was a thorough thrashing by the Spartans, who IMHO should be rated
	in everyone's Top 10, rather than 21st, or whatever.  Kirk Manns
	is on fire!  The North Judson, Indiana, native burned the nets for
	30 points, and along with Steve Smith, should now be considered
	by Vitale for consideration as "America's Best Backcourt".  They
	certainly are outshining the other Big Ten entry in this category.
	MSU jumped out early and had consistent yet modest leads in the
	first half, and a couple of treys near the end helped them take
	a 34-26 lead into the tunnel.  The second half saw the onset of the
	blowout, as the Spartans were quickly up 51-34 and then a little
	later, 74-48.  The Spartans killed the cold-shooting Hawkeyes with
	transition basketball after Hawkeye misfires and turnovers.  But,
	to Dr. Tom's credit, the team never threw in the towel, and the
	final score of 80-70 was as close as it had been since the beginning
	of the second half.  Matt Steigenga is really becoming a player,
	helping the Spartans out in the paint.  Most of the crowd at Carver-
	Hawkeye Arena was gone before the late Iowa flurry.  Mike Peplowski,
	who is improving, scored 12 for MSU.  James Moses led Iowa with 18.
	The Spartans have won four of their last five Big Ten road games by 
	margins of 18, 11, 9, and 10, with the other being a two-point buzzer 
	loss at Michigan.  At home, though, MSU has struggled a bit lately, 
	losing by 5 to Minnesota and just beating Wisconsin by 3.  Next for 
	MSU:  Saturday vs. #15 Illinois.  Next for Iowa:  Saturday at #19 
	Indiana.
 
Tonight:
 
	#83 Penn State at #50 Temple
 
Wednesday:
 
	#95 NORTHWESTERN at #15 ILLINOIS [7:00 pm CST]
 
Thursday:
 
	#16 MICHIGAN at #5 MINNESOTA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#29 OHIO STATE at #72 WISCONSIN  (ESPN, 8:00 pm CST)
	#102 Rutgers at #83 Penn State
 
Saturday:
 
	#15 ILLINOIS at #17 MICHIGAN STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#41 IOWA at #19 INDIANA  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#5  MINNESOTA at #95 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#72 WISCONSIN at #9 PURDUE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#83 Penn State at #183 George Washington
 
Sunday:
 
	#16 MICHIGAN at #29 OHIO STATE  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
 
Next Monday:
 
	#19 INDIANA at #9 PURDUE  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		9-2	 .818	17-4	.810
	 	Michigan State 	9-3	 .750	20-5	.800
		Michigan	8-3	 .727	18-4	.818
		Minnesota	7-4	 .636	16-5	.762
		Illinois	7-5	 .583	17-5	.773
	 	Indiana		5-6	 .455	15-6	.714
		Ohio State	5-6	 .455	11-10	.524
		Iowa		3-9	 .250	11-11	.500
	 	Wisconsin	3-9	 .250	12-12	.500
	 	Northwestern	1-10	 .091	 8-13	.381
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	9-3	 .750  	16-5	.762
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Big Ten Home/Away Stats  (NCAA)
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Feb13.203154.8654@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
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Here's a tabulation of how the Big Ten's top seven teams have done this 
conference season at home and on the road:
 
 
Rec.	Team		Home	Road	Quality Road Wins (i.e., vs. Top 7)
----	----		----	----	-----------------------------------
 
9-2	Purdue 		4-1	5-1	IU, Michigan, Ohio State
9-3	MSU	 	4-1	5-2	IU, Purdue, Ohio State
8-3	Michigan	5-1	3-2	Illinois
7-4	Minnesota	6-0	1-4	Michigan State
7-5	Illinois	5-1	2-4	none
5-6	Indiana		3-2	2-4	none
5-6	Ohio State	4-2	1-4	none
---			---	---
50-29		       31-8    19-21
 
 
By this tabulation, Purdue and MSU have been the most robust teams, having
the ability to win at home and on the road.  Minnesota and Illinois fail
in this respect, though they may end up being the two toughest to beat at
home.
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checking

    Part of the SI article this week about the Big Ten race was about how
    Purdue was snubbed continually by good players within the state, like
    Bailey to IU, Montross to IU-NC-UM, etc.  Keady recruited everyone from
    Jason Matthews to Rick Fox.....  All he got was leftovers like Steve
    Scheffler, who was only recruited by Bo of Michigan to play tightend
    but now turned out to be the best center of the league; Tony Jones, who
    was never contacted by IU again after IU coaches saw him play in one
    Fort Wayne high school game, and is probably better recognized as a 
    licensed 727 pilot upon his graduation this year in aviation tech; and
    Ryan Berning, "who looks good at airports."  Also mentioned that the
    best known name on the Boiler roster is Rich son-of-Rick Mount who
    "sits at the end of the bench" and who promptly coughed up the ball at
    the end of game at Long Beach State and cost the Boilers to lose by 1.
    Jud Heathcote said Keady is "consistently doing the best coaching job 
    in Big Ten."  Asked of why he is not on TV more, he said maybe his 
    acts on the sideline turns the networks away (I would think the 
    opposite :).  It also said that the lack of recognition within the
    state led him to flirt with job offers elsewhere, but he said he did
    not go to Arizona because of something like I think if I recall
    correctly that he would be back recruiting in the Chicago area so much
    that he will miss the golf there anyway (?)
    
    Charles 
    
    Charles

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-15-90)  (NCAA)
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Date: 15 Feb 90 22:11:06 GMT
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Last Night:
 
	#16 ILLINOIS 88, #98 NORTHWESTERN 75 (at Champaign):  Illinois,
	according to Kendall Gill, "played hard, but I don't think we
	played our hardest", played well enough for a 13-point victory 
	over stubborn Northwestern.  Illinois scored the first seven
	points of the game, then NU scored the next nine to go up 9-7.
	But, Illinois went on a 10-2 run to lead 17-11.  The Illini
	were up 40-28 at halftime.  The second half saw NU hang in there,
	but Illinois was never in danger of losing.  Walker Lambiotte
	came off the bench to score 20 for the Cats, while Rex Walters
	added 15 and Brian Schwabe 14.  NU shot 30-57 from the field,
	but only 3-11 from three-point land.  Illinois was 35-65 and
	a poor 1-11 from beyond the arc.  Gill, who has been red-hot
	lately, scored 25, while Andy Kaufmann came off of the bench
	to score 17 on 7-8 shooting.  Ervin Small had 16 and Marcus
	Liberty 10.  The Illini outrebounded NU 36-23.  The announced
	"attendance" was 16,018, yet several thousand seats were
	empty due to the terrible ice storm which struck central
	Illinois yesterday.  I'm lucky to get this out today ;-).
	Next for Illinois:  Saturday at #15 Michigan State.  Next for
	NU:  Saturday vs. #7 Minnesota.
 
Tonight:
 
	#14 MICHIGAN at #7 MINNESOTA  [7:00 pm CST]  <------ No ESPN :-(
	#31 OHIO STATE at #55 WISCONSIN  (ESPN, 8:00 pm CST)
	#108 Rutgers at #78 Penn State
 
Saturday:
 
	#16 ILLINOIS at #15 MICHIGAN STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#58 IOWA at #18 INDIANA  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#7  MINNESOTA at #98 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#55 WISCONSIN at #6 PURDUE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#78 Penn State at #183 George Washington
 
Sunday:
 
	#14 MICHIGAN at #31 OHIO STATE  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
 
Next Monday:
 
	#18 INDIANA at #6 PURDUE  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
	#64 Marquette at #55 WISCONSIN
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		9-2	 .818	17-4	.810
	 	Michigan State 	9-3	 .750	20-5	.800
		Michigan	8-3	 .727	18-4	.818
		Minnesota	7-4	 .636	16-5	.762
		Illinois	8-5	 .615  	18-5	.783  
	 	Indiana		5-6	 .455	15-6	.714
		Ohio State	5-6	 .455	11-10	.524
		Iowa		3-9	 .250	11-11	.500
	 	Wisconsin	3-9	 .250	12-12	.500
	 	Northwestern	1-11	 .083	 8-14	.364
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State	9-4	 .692  	16-6	.727
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    The Gophers finally lost at home breaking their undefeated record this
    season at home....by Michigan, which, with MSU, is closing in on Purdue.
    
    Charles

    Will Higgins be back by the time Michigan visits Mackey the last week I
    think :) ??
    
    Charles

In the article in SI this week about the Big 10 basketball race,
it ends with a little bit on Steve Scheffler's {the Big 10 FG% leader
and a candidate for Big 10 P.O.Y.} battle with overcoming dyslexia.

-----
"It doesn't affect me on the court," he says of his affliction. "Mostly,
I have trouble reading aloud and with memorization.  Like, I never 
mastered the holidays or the order of the months.  I know when Christmas
is, but Thanksgiving?  Forget it."

Surely Scheffler knows when the Final Four is played.

"They talk about March Madness," he says.  "So it must be sometime then.
But when is March?  I don't have a clue."
-----


The fact that Scheffler has a 3.25 GPA and has come along so far on
the court as well makes him a great role model.... just don't tell 
him when March is and get him all screwed up.

God, I'm glad Purdue doesn't have to play at Duke this week.  Imagine
the possiblities.  Calendars flying all over the place... Guys dressed
up like Santa with signs like "Happy Easter, Steve!".... :-) 

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-16-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: Michigan is lookin' good...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Posted: Fri Feb 16 11:25:00 1990
 
 
Last Night:
 
	#14 MICHIGAN 77, #7 MINNESOTA 73 (at Minneapolis):  Michigan did
	what Purdue came within a shot of, and with it, put itself in a
	great position for the remainder of the conference season.  The
	Barn's streak ended at 12 wins this season.  Rumeal Robinson hit
	the game's first hoop, and Michigan amazingly never relinquished
	the lead.  But, the first half was always close, with the Wolverines
	settling for a 40-36 lead at the break.  The first portion of the
	second half saw Michigan pull away to a 62-50 lead after a nine-
	point run, and just 13 minutes remaining.  But, the Gophers, much
	to the delight of their screaming fans, came back, and with just 
	four minutes left, Michigan led only 69-66.  But, with a basket by
	Robinson, two free throws by Tony Tolbert, and two more by Terry
	Mills, it was suddenly 75-68.  The Gophers surged again, and with 
	just 1:21 left, trailed only 75-73.  Robinson hit one free throw 
	after burning the clock, and after a Willie Burton miss and a timeout, 
	set up the play that led to Tony Tolbert's last FT.  The Gophers 
	misfired on several trifecta attempts down the stretch, and Burton, 
	though he led the Gophers with 25 points, missed the front end of 
	three bonus situations in the game's final 8 minutes.  Robinson wore 
	the nets out with a career-high 33 points, while Mills had 24.  No 
	one else on Michigan scored more than 6 points.  For Minnesota, Melvin 
	Newbern had 20, Richard Coffey 14, and Kevin Lynch 9.  The Gophers hit
	only 6 of 20 three-pointers.  Michigan shot 63% from the floor,
	and won despite getting killed on the boards to the tune of 41-23.
	As the Chicago Tribune headline today said, "Michigan feels ready
	for stretch".  They certainly look ready.  And, all of this
	WITHOUT Sean Higgins!  Next for Michigan:  Sunday at #31 Ohio State.  
	Next for Minnesota: Saturday at #98 Northwestern.
 
	#31 OHIO STATE 68, #55 WISCONSIN 58 (at Madison):  After playing
	so well on the Big Ten road lately, the Badgers were clobbered
	at home by the young Buckeyes.  OSU led only 26-20 at the break,
	though they had dominated it.  The second half saw them blow
	the game open, leading 35-26 after four minutes, and 50-31 with 9:46
	left in the game.  Over the next four minutes the Badgers pulled
	within 55-47, but the Buckeyes managed to hold on for the win.
	Jim Jackson scored 26 for OSU, while Jamaal Brown had 13.  Jackson
	is pushing IU's Calbert Cheaney for Rookie of the Year honors in
	the conference.  Danny Jones scored 21, and his first hoop made
	him the Badgers' all-time leading scorer, now with 1,765 points.
	Next for OSU:  Sunday vs. #14 Michigan.  Next for Wisconsin:
	Saturday at #6 Purdue.
 
 
	#78 Penn State 80, #108 Rutgers 69 (at State College):  Next for
	PSU:  Saturday at #183 George Washington.  Hey, the Nittany Lions
	are a pretty decent team this year!
 
Saturday:
 
	#16 ILLINOIS at #15 MICHIGAN STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#58 IOWA at #18 INDIANA  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#7  MINNESOTA at #98 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#55 WISCONSIN at #6 PURDUE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#78 Penn State at #183 George Washington
 
Sunday:
 
	#14 MICHIGAN at #31 OHIO STATE  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
 
Monday:
 
	#18 INDIANA at #6 PURDUE  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
	#64 Marquette at #55 WISCONSIN
 
Next Wednesday:
 
	#6 PURDUE at #16 ILLINOIS  [7:00 pm CST]  (probably WGN)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue		9-2	 .818	17-4	.810
		Michigan	9-3	 .750	19-4	.826
	 	Michigan State 	9-3	 .750	20-5	.800
		Illinois	8-5	 .615  	18-5	.783  
		Minnesota	7-5	 .583	16-6	.727
		Ohio State	6-6	 .500	12-10	.545
	 	Indiana		5-6	 .455	15-6	.714
		Iowa		3-9	 .250	11-11	.500
	 	Wisconsin	3-10	 .231	12-13	.480
	 	Northwestern	1-11	 .083	 8-14	.364
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State     10-4	 .714  	17-6	.739
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: ABC does switcheroo on March 4th
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	ABC, after checking the Big Ten standings, switched the starting
	times of the Iowa at Illinois and Michigan at Purdue games on Sunday,
	March 4th.  Originally, the two I's were to have at it a 1:00 pm 
	Central, nationally, while Michigan and Purdue were to be shown 
	regionally at 3:00 pm, along with a Pac-10 contest.  Now, Michigan-
	Purdue will be national at 1:00 pm, while Iowa-Illinois will be regional
	at 3:00 pm.
 
	This is Purdue's only network television appearance of the season.
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Ohio State beat Michigan yesterday... that gives Purdue a two game lead over the
Wolverines and still one game over Michigan State.  

This is make-or-break week for Purdue, I believe.   Tonight is THE GAME
{no matter what the records}  Indiana @ Purdue on ESPN.   Then Purdue
plays at Illinois on Wednesday and at home Saturday vs Ohio State.
Purdue MUST go 2-1 this week to stay in control.  3-0 might clinch
at least a tie for the title.

    
    Question for T and the other big ten bigots, has any freshman ever
    won the big ten player of the year? Of all the games I have watched
    this year I still haven't seen a better player than Johnny Jackson
    of OSU. I'm still waiting to see this kid make a mistake. I've seen
    4 OSU games this year and he has made all the big plays for them during
    crunch time. I think he should be freshman of the year across the
    country but will probably loose out to the more hearlded Kenny Anderson
    of Georgia Tech.... 
    
     Also T, I think MSU's backcourt is better than Minny's.....
    
    mike

    Johnny Jackson is good, but is he a POTY or MVP for the Big Ten?  By TV
    appearance it should be Rumeal Robinson.  By effort and overachievement
    it should be Tony Jones of Purdue, or one of the guards for MSU, like
    Smith or Manns, but more so, Purdue's Steve Scheffler.  Scheffler is 
    still leading the nation in FG% and is shooting ~75% for the conference 
    play, incredible.  If Purdue wins the conference I would be real 
    surprised if Scheffler is not winning the MVP award.  The only problem
    for Purdue is they just don't get on TV, and I don't know how much that
    would affect the selection.  If Scheffler wins the MVP I don't know if
    he will get drafted by a football team like Jim Rowinski did some years
    ago (by the Packers).  He may well be :)  Tony Jones will probably get
    drafted by United Airlines.  If MSU wins the championship, depending on 
    how convincing, it may be one of their guards or Robinson.
    
    Charles
    

    First semester Notre Dame in no way resembles the one that beat
    Syrexcuse (tm).  They didn't have Ellis, which is to say (by far) there
    best player.  Everybody thought Kentucky would be (way) down this year,
    but thanks to the 3 point gimmick, Pitino has them playing much better
    than forecast.  I wouldn't call a win over them anything to get hot and
    bothered over.
    
    BTW - Read where Pitino has run-ins with *five* different SEC coaches
          this year.  He's not making any friends, that's for sure.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    
          
    

    I think almost all of IU's non-conference games are at home or "away"
    at the Hoosier Dome, am I correct?  
    
    Charles

    Indiana only plays 6 non-conference games and 2 tourneys but they
    played several tough games per year...., plus play 18 games in the
    toughest conference in the league this year.
    
    IU Non-Conference
    -----------------
    Kentucky
    Notre Dame
    UTEP
    Iowa St.
    Miami of Ohio
    Kent St.
    Hoosier Classic
    Indiana Classic
    
    Kentucky(at Kentucky) and Notre Dame are usually tough games but
    both are having down years, UTEP on the road is always a tough game,
    Iowa St. with Johnny Orr plays everyone tough, Kent St., Miami of
    Ohio and the two tournament are patsies to beefen up the record.
                   
    Now North Carolina had such patsies as....  
    
    Central Florida
    Townson St.
    Mile High Tourney(which they lost to Colorado St. in the 1st round)
    Old Dominion
    Pepperdine
    Miami of Florida 
    
    The also had schools who are obviously weaker this year such as...
    
    Kansas St.
    Iowa(very down year and they beat the STAR HEELS)
    Depaul
    Alabama
    
    Not really a incredibly strong schedule and it's sprinkled with
    Patsies as well......
    
    Cap
    

    Purdue played strong teams such as....
    
    Utah
    Long Beach St.
    Illinois St.
    St. Louis
    Wichita St.
    California
    E. Illinois
    Polish National Team :-)
    
    Ball St. was there only tough non conference game and they played
    them at home....
    
    Cap

    Why bring UNC into this Cap?  The argument wasn't whether UNC or IU has
    the tougher schedule.  Rather, it's whether or not IU's non-conference
    schedule was very difficult. 
    
    Now, I personally feel IU's schedule wasn't tough at all, although
    admittedly they were helped by down years by Kaintuck and ND.  It may
    have been in Indiana's best interest to schedule weak early on.  I'm
    sure Dean wish he would've done the same.  Our killer early schedule
    hurt us, IMO.  Lost confidence came with lost games, and the result has
    been a team that isn't playing like they expect to win.
    
    The *immediate* relevancy to the scheduling issue is the NCAA tourney. 
    IU & UNC may very well both be on the fence.  Schedule difficulty could
    be the determining factor.  If it came down to that, all other things
    being equal, I'd say it's a toss-up.  Carolina definitely had the
    tougher non-conference schedule, but the Big 10 gets the nod this year
    with a stronger conference.  In either case, they both have extremely
    difficult schedules.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    Purdue usually has a stronger non-conference schedule than this year's. 
    Gene Keady usually schedule according to what he expects his team to
    be, and I think judging from this year's non-conference schedule, even
    if he denies it, the team has been a surprise even to him.
    
    Re: Cap
    Purdue did beat another ranked team (at the time but disappeared after
    playing Purdue) Wake Forest in a neutral court.  But after that Purdue
    was blown out by Arizona.  So before the season began, Purdue was 2-1
    against ranked opponents.  (Also Long Beach State was hardly a
    walk-over, and Purdue lost that point by one when Rich Mount coughed up
    the ball in the final seconds and cost the game for Purdue.)
    
    Charles

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Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-19-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: Purdue keeps The Michigan's at bay, for now...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Date: 19 Feb 90 18:21:36 GMT
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Saturday's Results:
 
	#15 MICHIGAN STATE 70, #16 ILLINOIS 63 (at East Lansing):  Illinois
	came out of the shute slowly and never really recovered in a loss
	at the Breslin Center.  Lou Henson called it "a 25-point loss".
	The Illini scored just two points during the game's first four
	minutes, and had just four after the first 7.5 minutes.  MSU was
	a bit cold early, too, but got it going eventually, once leading
	by 17 in the first half before settling for a 35-22 halftime lead.
	Illinois came out strong in the second half, and cut the lead to	
	37-32.  But, the Spartans scored the next seven points, and pulled
	away.  They led by scores of 64-48 and 70-51 before Marcus Liberty
	hit four trifectas during the final 1:07 of the game to give the
	misleading 70-63 final score.  Liberty, beset with early foul
	trouble, was scoreless in the first half but ended up with 25.
	Steve Bardo also had early foul trouble and failed to score.  Kendall
	Gill continued his hot streak with 21 points.  MSU had balanced
	scoring, as Matt Steigenga led the way with 17.  Steve Smith had 15,
	while Kirk Manns and Mark Montgomery each had 12.  The win ended
	MSU's seven-game losing streak to Illinois.  As Jud Heathcote put
	it, "This is a big win because Illinois has been beating us like a
	drum".  Many people locally are questioning Lou Henson's long-
	standing policy of benching players for the duration of the first
	half after picking up the second personal.  The Illini played the
	last 16 minutes of the first half without Liberty or Bardo.  Next 
	for MSU:  Sunday vs. #18 Indiana.  Next for Illinois: Wednesday vs. 
	#6 Purdue.
 
	#18 INDIANA 118, #58 IOWA 71 (at Bloomington):  In the biggest
	Big Ten blowout I've seen in a long time, IU crushed Iowa from
	wire-to-wire.  This one really got ugly for the Hawkeyes, who
	committed 29 turnovers.  At certain points in the second half,
	the Hoosiers led by over 50 points.  I don't have a running score
	unfortunately, but after leading 46-25 at the break, the Hoosiers
	came out of the locker room with a 24-2 tear which made the score
	68-27.  Later scores were 72-32, 83-43, and well, you get the picture!
	The 118-point total was an Assembly Hall record (last year IU 
	pounded Iowa in a similar manner, getting 116, I believe).  The
	118 also is a record under Bob Knight.  The school record for points
	is 122, set twice during the era of the "Hurryin' Hoosiers" in
	1959 against Ohio State and again in 1962 against Notre Dame.  It was
	Iowa's second-worst ever Big Ten loss, the worst also coming at
	the Assembly Hall in 1975, 102-49.  IU shot 62%, while the Hawkeyes
	mustered 38%.  Jeff Oliphant, a little-used fifth-year player from
	tiny Lyons, Indiana, had 13 points, including 3 of 5 treys, much
	to the delight of the large crowd, which really didn't come to
	life until the Hoosiers hit the 90-point mark with a good portion
	of the second half to play.  It had been so easy...  Pat Graham,
	one of the many frosh, scored a career high 23.  Calbert Cheaney,
	Todd Leary, and Matt Nover (all frosh) all had 11.  Iowa was
	led by Rodell Davis' 20 and James Moses' 17.  Les Jepsen was held
	to just 4.  The only thing Iowa won was the rebound battle, 43-35.
	Next for IU:  Tonight at #6 Purdue.  Next for Iowa:  Thursday at
	#98 Northwestern.
 
	#7  MINNESOTA 90, #98 NORTHWESTERN 72 (at Evanston):  The Wildcats
	hung tough again for a half, but Minnesota was just too much in
	the end.  After a slim 29-28 halftime lead, the Gophers built a
	78-59 lead with just a few minutes left, and coasted home.  Clem
	Haskins' "inspiring" halftime speech was noted by his players as
	the turning point of the game.  Four Gophers reached double figures,
	led by Kevin Lynch's 17.  NU was led by Rex Walters again, who had
	18.  Walker Lambiotte had 15.  Bill Foster said, "But I think that's
	the worst game we've played in a long time.....In the second half
	it seemed as if our feet were in cement".  Describing the Gophers'
	lackluster first half, Willie Burton said, "We fumbled a lot and the
	balls were flying".  Next for Minnesota:  Thursday vs. #55 Wisconsin.
	Next for NU:  Thursday vs. #58 Iowa.
 
 
	#6  PURDUE 62, #55 WISCONSIN 55 (at West Lafayette):  Playing at home
	for the first time in two weeks, Purdue repeated the performance of
	it's last game at Mackey Arena, a loss to Michigan State.  But, the
	Boilers' defense was good enough to hold off the pesky Badgers, who
	have played very well lately away from Madison (but very poorly
	at home).  Purdue jumped out quickly 10-3, but turnovers, poor shooting,
	and good Wisconsin defense put them in a funk they wouldn't get out
	of until the game's final 10 minutes.  The Badgers went on a run
	which saw them take a 22-16 lead under the 10 minute mark in the
	first stanza.  Purdue gradually clawed back, and Dave Barrett's trey
	just before the horn gave Purdue a 26-25 halftime lead.  The first
	part of the second half was the same as the first.  Wisconsin took
	a slim 32-30 lead during the first 6-7 minutes, but Purdue put on
	a 14-5 run to take a 44-37 lead with just 5:56 to play in this
	very low-scoring game.  Wisconsin never got closer than seven after
	this run, but Purdue never put them away, either.  The last several
	minutes was a parade to the free-throw stripe.  Steve Scheffler
	was the Purdue offense, scoring 26 points on 7-10 FG shooting and 
	12-13 FT shooting.  Two Purdue starters, Chuckie White and Woody
	Austin, were a combined 0-9 from the floor and failed to score.
	Ryan Berning and Jimmy Oliver each had 10.  Scheffler also pulled
	down 10 rebounds.  The Badgers were led by Willie Simms, Danny
	Jones, and Larry Hisle, who all had 10 points.  Wisconsin outshot
	Purdue 46-43%, but it wasn't enough.  Purdue has now beaten the
	Badgers 26 straight times, dating back to February 1977.  Next
	for Purdue:  Tonight vs. #18 Indiana.  Next for Wisconsin:  Tonight
	vs. #64 Marquette.
 
	#78 Penn State 72, #183 George Washington 64 (at Washington):  Next
	for PSU:  Thursday vs. #82 West Virginia.
 
 
Sunday's Result:
 
	#31 OHIO STATE 64, #14 MICHIGAN 61 (at Columbus):  Ohio State 
	capitalized on Michigan's foul trouble and came away with a big
	64-61 win at St. John's Arena.  This was a great game in the
	second half, as neither team led by more than four points, with
	15 lead changes and 13 ties.  The crowd had a great time, too.
	At the half, Michigan held a slim 31-30 lead.  After several
	minutes of the second half, the Wolverines were still up 45-41,
	and were threatening to pull away due to some sloppy Buckeye
	play.  But, OSU put on a 10-2 run to lead 51-47.  Michigan answered
	with an 8-1 run to go back ahead 55-52.  The Buckeyes again seized
	control at 61-57 with under 1:30 left.  But, the Wolverines hit
	a shot to make the score 61-59, and after a Mark Baker (I think)
	miss of the front end of a bonus, Loy Vaught hit a great shot
	in the paint and was fouled.  But, with the score tied at 61,
	Vaught's FT clanged off of the iron, and OSU rebounded.  Baker
	was again fouled, and he hit his first FT with 13 seconds left.
	His second missed again, but Jim Jackson, the super-frosh, went
	up and tipped it in to give the Buckeyes the final 64-61 margin.
	Michigan missed two three-point attempts before the horn sounded.
	Michigan's inside game was neutralized by the officials, as
	Terry Mills sat most of the game and fouled out early.  His sub,
	Eric Riley, also fouled out.  Rumeal Robinson had 24 to lead
	Michigan, while Vaught chipped in 10.  Jackson had 16 and Jamaal
	Brown 15 for the Buckeyes.  Michigan was hurt more than OSU by the 
	clumping of the fouls on just two players, but ended up shooting
	6 more FTs than did the Buckeyes.  All-in-all, a great game.
	Next for OSU:  Sunday at #6 Purdue.  Next for Michigan:  Saturday
	vs. #98 Northwestern.
 
 
Tonight:
 
	#18 INDIANA at #6 PURDUE  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
	#64 Marquette at #55 WISCONSIN
 
Wednesday:
 
	#6 PURDUE at #16 ILLINOIS  [7:00 pm CST]  (probably WGN)
 
Thursday:
 
	#55 WISCONSIN at #7 MINNESOTA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#58 IOWA at #98 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#82 West Virginia at #78 Penn State
 
Saturday:
 
	#98 NORTHWESTERN at #14 MICHIGAN  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#31 OHIO STATE at #6 PURDUE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#7  MINNESOTA at #58 IOWA  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Sunday:
 
	#18 INDIANA at #15 MICHIGAN STATE  (ABC, 3:00 pm CST, regional)
	#78 Penn State at #82 West Virginia
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue	       10-2	 .833	18-4	.818
	 	Michigan State 10-3	 .769	21-5	.808
		Michigan	9-4	 .692	19-5	.792
		Minnesota	8-5	 .615	17-6	.739
		Illinois	8-6	 .571  	18-6	.750  
		Ohio State	7-6	 .538	13-10	.565
	 	Indiana		6-6	 .500	16-6	.727
		Iowa		3-10	 .231	11-12	.478
	 	Wisconsin	3-11	 .214	12-14	.462
	 	Northwestern	1-12	 .077	 8-15	.348
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State     11-4	 .733  	18-6	.750
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Big Ten Remaining Schedules  (NCAA)
Summary: Michigan blew it yesterday...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Date: 19 Feb 90 20:24:07 GMT
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Here's the remaining schedules of the four teams who still have a legitimate
shot at winning the Big Ten title:
 
Team		Opponent	Home/Away Ratio		Number of losses so far
----		--------	---------------		-----------------------
 
Purdue		Indiana		3/3				2
		at Illinois
		Ohio State
		at Iowa
		Michigan
		at Michigan St.
 
Michigan St.	Indiana		3/2				3
		Michigan
		at Minnesota
		at N'western
		Purdue
 
Michigan	Northwestern	3/2				4
		at Michigan St.
		at Purdue
		Wisconsin
		Iowa
 
Minnesota	Wisconsin	2/3				5
		at Iowa
		at Indiana
		Michigan State
		at Ohio State
 
 
Using the current standings, here is the average conference ranking of
the remaining opponents:
 
	Team		Avg. Rating	Home/Road ratio	   # of Contenders left
	----		-----------	---------------    --------------------
 
	Purdue		    5.2			3/3		2
	MSU		    5.0			3/2		3
	Michigan	    6.0			3/2		2
	Minnesota	    6.4			2/3		1
 
The Gophers play more lower standing teams and only one contender (MSU), but
only have two more home games, and the road has not been good to them.  MSU,
most people think, have the easiest schedule, but not so.  They must play
more higher standing teams and more contenders.  Purdue still has 6 games
left, so that is more difficult from the standpoint of potential losses.
Michigan's schedule doesn't look too bad.
 
Three dangerous teams, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio State, may help decide
who wins the crown:
 
	Team		# of games left with these 3	Home/Road
	----		----------------------------	---------
 
	Purdue				3		2/1
	MSU				1		1/0
	Michigan			0		0/0
	Minnesota			2		0/2
 
Purdue and Minnesota are the losers in the category.  Purdue has it's work
cut out...  Michigan is sitting great here.
 
So, number of games left vs. the "Top 7":
 
	Team		Number vs. top 7/total left	Percent
	----		---------------------------	-------
 
	Purdue		  	5/6			83
	MSU			4/5			80
	Michigan		2/5			40
	Minnesota		3/5			60
 
Thus, Michigan probably has the easiest road, but is two games behind
Purdue now in the loss column.  The loss to Ohio State yesterday was a
killer for them.  MSU may be in very good shape, being just one back.  The 
whole thing has a great chance of coming down to the last day of the season,
on March 11th, when Purdue visits Michigan State.  Currently, this is only 
listed as a Big Ten/Raycom network game, with Illinois at Indiana or Iowa at
Michigan listed for ABC...
 
If Michigan had won yesterday, they would have been my favorite to win the
conference...  I figure they have a 50/50 chance of beating MSU or Purdue,
and should breeze through the other three games.  Could finish 14-4 at
best, but it could have been 15-3...
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Purdue kicked Indiana's butt last night... 72-49... Worst loss ever
for Bobby Knight.   The Purdue defense is very tough, but I don't think
they have the talent to run with the Oklahomas, UNLV's, etc. come tourney
time.  They have less talent than last year's Indiana team which won the
league.   

I love watching Big 10 defense and the pass/cut offense.

And another thing... If I were the Big 10 Commissioner, I would refuse to
sign the Big Monday contract with ESPN next year unless they change the
schedule around.  Let the Big East and Big 10 swap early/late start times 
each week. Either that, or start the Big East games at 7:15 instead of 7:30.

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Big Ten NCAA Tournament Records
Summary: I've got the tournament itch today...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Here's how the Big Ten has done in the NCAA tournament over the years, by
team, with totals and notes at the end:
 
 
School	 Coach/Years in tourney		Record	1st	2nd	3rd	4th
-----	 ----------------------		------	---	---	---	---
 
Illinois Doug Mills (1942)		  0-2
	 Harry Combes (49,51-52,63)	  9-4			3
	 Lou Henson (81,83-89)		 11-8			1
					 ----	---	---	---	---
					 20-14	0	0	4	0
 
 
Indiana	 Branch McCracken (40,53-54,58)	  9-2	2
	 Lou Watson (67)		  1-1
	 Bob Knight (73,75-76,78,80-84,
			86-89)		 29-10	3		1
					 -----	---	---	---	---
					 39-13	5	0	1	0
 
 
Iowa	 Bucky O'Connor (55-56)		  5-3		1		1
	 Ralph Miller (70)		  1-1
	 Lute Olson (79-83)		  7-6				1
	 George Raveling (85-86)	  0-2
	 Tom Davis (87-89)		  6-3
					  ---	---	---	---	---
					 19-15	0	1	0	2
 
 
Michigan Ozzie Cowles (48)		  1-1
	 Dave Strack (64-66)		  7-3		1	1
	 Johnny Orr (74-77)		  7-4		1
	 Bill Frieder (85-88)		  5-4
	 Steve Fisher (89)		  6-0	1
					  ---	---	---	---	---
					 26-12	1	2	1	0
 
 
MSU	 Forddy Anderson (57,59)	  3-3				1
	 Jud Heathcote (78-79,85-86)	  9-3	1
					  ---	---	---	---	---
					 12-6	1	0	0	1
 
 
Minn.	 Bill Musselman (72)		  1-1
	 Jim Dutcher (82)		  1-1
	 Clem Haskins (89)		  2-1
					  ---	---	---	---	---
					  4-3	0	0	0	0
 
 
Ohio St. Harold Olsen (39,44-46)	  6-4		1	3
	 Tippy Dye (50)			  1-1
	 Fred Taylor (60-62,68,71)	 14-4	1	2	1
	 Eldon Miller (80,82-83,85)	  3-4
	 Gary Williams (87)		  1-1
					 ----	---	---	---	---
					 25-14	1	3	4	0
 
 
Purdue	 George King (69)		  3-1		1
	 Fred Schaus (77)		  0-1
	 Lee Rose (80)			  5-1			1
	 Gene Keady (83-88)		  4-6
					  ---	---	---	---	---
					 12-9	0	1	1	0
 
 
Wisc.	 Bud Foster (41,47)		  4-1	1
					  ---	---	---	---	---
					  4-1	1	0	0	0
 
 
TOTALS:					------	---	---	---	---
					161-87	9	7	11	3
 
 
NOTES:
 
	1.	You guessed it.  Northwestern has never appeared in the
		NCAA tournament.  Their McGaw Hall hosted a tournament,
		though.
 
	2.	Considering Purdue has won more Big Ten titles than any
		other school, their lack of tournament appearances/success
		is surprising.  But, many of the championships were won
		before the NCAA tournament began, and the Big Ten never
		sent teams to the NIT during it's glory days.  And, one
		time the Boilermakers won the Big Ten but were not allowed
		to play in the tournament by the academic big-wigs of the
		school.  The second place Big Ten representative then
		went on to win it all (IU in 1940, I believe).  Before
		Gene Keady, though, the Boilers made the most of their
		three appearances, finishing 2nd once and 3rd once.  Lee
		Rose was "almost" Steve Fisher in 1980.  He should have
		stayed...
 
	3.	Wisconsin was the most efficient, winning it once in two
		tries.  But it's been 43 years since they got a crack!
 
	4.	Minnesota has had the least success in it's few tries,
		though Clem Haskins seems to do well as a tournament
		coach.  Watch how the Gophers do this time around...
 
	5.	Indiana has done the best, hands down.  Bob Knight has
		had a hand in IU's success, along with Ohio State's as
		a player in the early 1960's.
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       Didn't T tell us just yesterday that IU had 'a chance' last night?
    Coulda fooled me. Well, you know the old saying, even a blind
    squirrel...
                                         Denny

    The Big Ten is far more successful as a hockey conference than it
    is as a basketball conference, if you consider titles won:
    
    Team	Hockey		Hoops
    
    Michigan	7		1
    MSU		2		1
    Minnesota	3		0
    Ohio State	0		1
    Wisconsin	4		1
    Indiana	0		5
    
    		16		9
    
    John

    Re:.309
    Unfortunately the Big Ten is no hockey conference as hockey is not a
    Big Ten sport.  Several teams including Purdue do not field varsity
    hockey teams, only as club sports.
    
    Charles

    I know that, but what I'm trying to get at is that the Big Ten schools
    that play varsity hockey have won more National Championships than
    Big Ten schools have won in basketball.
    
    John

    Yes, John, I know you know, but it may be easier winning a hockey
    championship just based on the premise that there are less teams
    playing that sport at the top collegiate level and hence less good 
    teams.  If you stop and look I wonder how many new powerhouses in
    college hockey has emerged in the last, say, 15 years.  Certainly many
    more hoop teams can claim to that.
    
    Charles

    Actually, I think you should be proud of the many good hockey schools
    in the Big Ten.
    
    There are about 40 schools playing the top level of college hockey
    that I know of - 8 in the WCHA, 9 in the CCHA, 12 in the ECAC and
    8 in Hockey East, along with about 3 Division 1 independents.  Several
    schools have faded in recent years but others have emerged as powers,
    such as Providence, Northeastern, RPI (which was way down for a
    long time), Colgate, Minnesota-Duluth, Western Michigan and Bowling
    Green.  Several other former powers have faded, such as Dartmouth,
    Brown, UNH, Michigan Tech and The Colorado College.
    
    We can get into a chicken - egg argument here, such as - is the
    hockey title more valuable because there are fewer schools, is the
    basketball title more valuable because there are more schools, which
    is more exciting (I far, far prefer college hockey over college
    hoops) and so forth.
    
    John 

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-20-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: Purdue gets the sweep...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Last Night:
 
	#6  PURDUE 72, #18 INDIANA 49 (at West Lafayette):  Purdue put on
	a defensive show that even Bob Knight must have been impressed by,
	and hammered the Hoosiers by the largest Purdue margin in this series
	during the Knight-era.  The only negative for Boilermaker fans not
	at the game was having to miss the first 10 minutes of the telecast
	due to the length of the UConn-Providence showdown.  Nevertheless,
	Purdue jumped out quick 9-1 and 11-4, as IU had a six-minute scoreless
	stretch.  Two Steve Scheffler FTs made the score 20-11, and each
	team scored 10 points over the next several minutes to make it
	30-21.  But, Purdue put on a clinic in defense to end the half,
	taking a 38-21 lead before Jamaal Meeks buried his first trifecta
	of the year at the horn, and Purdue led 38-24 at the break.  During
	the critical first several minutes of the second half, that period
	in which Purdue had clawed back from a 16-point deficit at Bloomington
	and eventually won, Purdue did not let the opposite happen.  The
	Boilermakers outscored IU 11-4 to take a 49-28 lead, and with just
	12:27 left, Bob Knight called a TO.  It didn't help, as the
	Boilers raced to their largest lead, 62-32, much to the delight
	of the loud crowd.  With the score 65-37 and just under 5 minutes
	to go, Gene Keady cleared the bench, and IU outscored Purdue 12-7
	to round out the game.  Chuckie White, who has been invisible for
	Purdue on the floor since the Ohio State game at Columbus (game 6),
	had a great first half performance, scoring all 12 of his points
	during the frame and ripping off several big boards.  Purdue had
	balanced scoring from the frontcourt and backcourt, as Scheffler
	had 18 points on 6-7 shooting, while Tony Jones had 12 and Jimmy
	Oliver 15 from outside.  Calbert Cheaney led IU with just 12,
	while Eric Anderson, who had 30 in the first meeting of these
	teams, was held to just 9.  Tony Jones' defensive thievery was
	reminiscent of Illinois' Bruce Douglas back in the early to mid-
	1980s.  Only 30 fouls were called in the game.  Purdue outshot
	the Hoosiers 59-39%.  Keady and Knight were rather cordial after
	the game.  Next for Purdue:  Wednesday at #16 Illinois.  Next for 
	IU:  Sunday at #15 Michigan State.
 
	#55 WISCONSIN 82, #64 Marquette 65 (at Madison):  In one of those
	matchups that is good for college basketball and the state of Wisconsin,
	the Badgers did the Big Ten proud by whipping the Warriors in this
	fierce rivalry.  The Badgers, who had played very well in their last
	three road games but had been clobbered at home the last two tries,
	finally put on an offensive show for the appreciative home folks.
	Danny Jones had 19 points for Wisconsin as the Badgers scored 10
	points on 5 Warrior technical fouls.  MU coach Kevin O'Neill was
	ejected from the game with :15 remaining.  Up just 32-29 at the
	break, the Badgers opened the second half with a 17-6 run to lead
	49-35, and maintained the advantage throughout.  Tim Locum, who
	has seen a lot of bench duty lately, came through with 17 points.
	Incredibly, Marquette was a one-man gang, as Tony Smith scored
	44 of the 65 Warrior points, netting 28 of them in the second
	half.  Wisconsin outrebounded the Warriors (12-11) 39 to 27.
	The five T's were the first ones of the season for Marquette.
	Patrick Tompkins of Wisconsin also picked one up.  The victory
	was Wisconsin's fifth straight in this series, and the 96th
	played.  O'Neill, as he was leaving the court after being
	ejected, shook the hands of the Wisconsin players and coaches.
	A strange game, indeed.  Next for Wisconsin:  Thursday at #7
	Minnesota.
 
Wednesday:
 
	#6 PURDUE at #16 ILLINOIS  (WGN, 7:00 pm CST)
 
Thursday:
 
	#55 WISCONSIN at #7 MINNESOTA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#58 IOWA at #98 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#82 West Virginia at #78 Penn State
 
Saturday:
 
	#98 NORTHWESTERN at #14 MICHIGAN  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#31 OHIO STATE at #6 PURDUE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#7  MINNESOTA at #58 IOWA  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Sunday:
 
	#18 INDIANA at #15 MICHIGAN STATE  (ABC, 3:00 pm CST, regional)
	#78 Penn State at #82 West Virginia
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue	       11-2	 .846	19-4	.826
	 	Michigan State 10-3	 .769	21-5	.808
		Michigan	9-4	 .692	19-5	.792
		Minnesota	8-5	 .615	17-6	.739
		Illinois	8-6	 .571  	18-6	.750  
		Ohio State	7-6	 .538	13-10	.565
	 	Indiana		6-7	 .462	16-7	.696
		Iowa		3-10	 .231	11-12	.478
	 	Wisconsin	3-11	 .214	13-14	.481
	 	Northwestern	1-12	 .077	 8-15	.348
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State     11-4	 .733  	18-6	.750
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    In today's Wall Street Journal there is an article called: "On Sports:
    Big 10 Basketball" which is a nice little one on the titled subject
    mainly with reports on Monday's Indiana-Purdue game.
    
    Charles

Purdue lost to Illinois last night 90-78.  That makes Saturday's
matchup with Ohio State a MUST-WIN for the Boilermakers.  It would
also help if Coach Bob could coax a big win over MSU on Sunday out
of his boys.  

In the WSJ article, Knight was quoted as calling Scheffler the
Big 10 MVP.

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-22-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: A big win for Illinois...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Feb22.185348.20767@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 22 Feb 90 18:53:48 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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In addition to my regular report, I have a "Personal Asides" bit since I
witnessed last night's spectacle in the flesh.  Statistics courtesy of the
UofI Sports Info people - I got the sheets the press get (my friend is
a volunteer for them who did much of the setting up of their quite
sophisticated computer stat setup):
 
 
Last Night:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS 90, #4 PURDUE 78 (at Champaign):  The Illini, with their
	backs to the wall, outhustled Purdue, especially on the boards, and
	came away with a big win.  Purdue got off to a good start, leading
	5-2 and 9-6 early before going cold the remainder of the first half
	while Illinois warmed-up.  By the time the first TV TO was called,
	the Illini were up 12-9.  The lead bounced between 3 and 1 for 
	several minutes thereafter, as Illinois blew 5 or 6 chances to 
	extend the lead to 5 or 6.  At the 11:51 mark, the Illini led 16-13,
	and with 7:51 left, led 19-16.  It was at this point that the game
	changed for good, as Illinois went on an 11-point tear over the next
	3:59 to go up 30-16, much to the delight of the 16,218 who attended.
	Crucial within this run was a priceless technical foul which Gene
	Keady picked up when the score was 24-16 (5:37 left).  Keady, reacting
	to a foul on Steve Scheffler (one of the more passive of the fouls
	committed during the game), and probably trying to incite his own
	team (which was languishing at the time), stomped his feet a few times
	while moving towards center court, swore, did an about face, ripped 
	off his coat, walked to the endcourt while swinging the coat over his 
	head like a helicopter propellor (smiling throughout the whole thing), 
	did another about face, then whipped the coat into the stratosphere over
	his right shoulder, very much to the delight of the crowd.  Illinois
	used this to make a 6-point play, making the two bonus FTs, the two
	technical FTs, then hitting a shot on the possession.  With the lead
	at 30-16, Purdue regained it's composure and went to the lockerroom
	trailing 38-27, which frankly should have been much worse.  Purdue
	opened the second half with a turnover on the first possession 
	(Chuckie White has really bad hands), and Marcus Liberty promptly
	(and so effortlessly) sank a J.  At the first TO, Illinois led by
	12, 48-36.  Over the next five minutes, Purdue cut the lead to 9
	several times, but Illinois then took it's largest lead of the night
	at 66-51.  To it's credit, Purdue didn't go into the tank at this
	point, and scored the games' next 5 points to make it 66-56, but
	another TV TO seemed to stop their momentum.  Illinois raced back
	up 72-58, then Purdue made it's biggest run of the night, 7, to
	trail just 72-65 with still 3:46 to go.  However, the Illini, who
	went to the stripe a season-high 38 times, hit 19 consecutive FTs
	in the second half, and just wouldn't let Purdue get any closer.
	With 1:30 left and the score 80-72, Chuckie White travelled on an
	offensive rebound, and Illinois hit two FTs.  Then, Marcus Liberty
	stole a lazy Woody Austin pass, and Illinois went up 84-72, and the
	game was over.  The Illini won this game on the boards, getting 34
	to Purdue's 21, with a whopping 17 offensive rebounds.  The latter
	were crucial, because it seemed that Illinois either hit a hoop
	or two FTs after each one of those.  The Boilermaker defense, which
	was so stingy Monday night, was awful, as most of Illinois' 55
	shots were taken within 12 feet of the hoop, often times wide-open.	
	The Illinois defense did a much better job, and Purdue's 56% FG
	shooting was rather miraculous.  Kendall Gill, avoiding contact
	thoughout the game, led Illinois with 21, while Marcus Liberty had
	20 and Steve Bardo, ending a recent slump, netted 18.  Steve
	Scheffler led Purdue with 20, while Ryan Berning had 13.  Tony
	Jones had a bad night all-around, scoring only 9 and losing his
	man on defense most of the time.  Next for Illinois:  Monday at
	#26 Ohio State.  Next for Purdue:  Saturday vs. #26 Ohio State.
 
"Personal Asides"!!!!
 
	Well, after making an ass out of myself at recent Illinois-Purdue
	games here, I decided I would be low-key, though I did wear one
	of my black and gold sweatshirts.  I brought my pen with me and
	scored the hell out of the game (I still made mistakes - I don't
	know how they keep it all straight!), cheering little and just
	concentrating on what was happening.  I sat in the very top row,
	mostly around students, who were pretty cool, I thought, and one
	man who disagreed with every blow of the whistle.  He also shouted,
	"Take Him!" as Ryan Berning and Rodney Jones got into a brief
	scuffle.  His wife quickly pulled him down.  
 
	As soon as I reared my ugly head into the arena-proper, I heard two 
	different groups shout, "Peppler!".  Just above was my bosses' wife 
	and their 10-year old, who questioned why I would wear a Purdue shirt.
	I said, "We're in first!".  He accepted that.  Just across from them
	were two of my drinking buddies, who promptly told me Purdue
	"was going to get it's ass kicked".   I said, "Perhaps, but I'd
	rather be in Purdue's shoes at this point of the season."  They
	accepted that.  I then went to see my pal at the stat tables.	
	He's a computer wiz who works for a company in town which makes
	computer touch panels for firms like Xerox.  He said to come down
	at half to get the stats.  I then went to find my seat, and
	the usherette uttered, "Ooh, a Purdue fan", and told me to go
	to the top.  What struck me during the game was the contempt Illinois
	fans have for the officials.  This was apparent early.  I think
	they need to accept the obvious, that they stink.  Oh well.  And
	they berrated Steve Scheffler from the start, booing each time he
	touched the ball and howling every time he moved on the court.  I
	frankly didn't understand their contempt for him.  This kind of
	fan behavior is usually reserved for hotdogs or smartasses.  He's
	certainly neither.  Melvin Newbern was treated this way two weeks
	ago, but he deserved it after his antics in Minneapolis earlier.
	The cropper came ten minutes after the game ended, when I was
	watching my friend finish up the media stuff and whatnot.  He let me
	go down a row to look at one of the computer terminals to see
	the final stats, when one rather tall man (a fan) hit my 
	shoulder and said, "You have a nice drive home, now" (I was
	wearing my Colt jacket over my sweatshirt by then).  I said,
	"I only live three miles from here.  I bet I live closer to the
	Assembly Hall than you!"  He was walking away, of course, but
	stopped, turned around, flipped me the bird and mumbled,
	"Son of a bitch"!!  My friend said, "Forget it".  I thought,
	"Life in the Big Ten!".  I kind of looked over my shoulder as I
	later walked to my car... ;-).
 
Tonight:
 
	#52 WISCONSIN at #8 MINNESOTA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#74 IOWA at #104 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#100 West Virginia at #69 Penn State
 
Saturday:
 
	#104 NORTHWESTERN at #9 MICHIGAN  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#26 OHIO STATE at #4 PURDUE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#8  MINNESOTA at #74 IOWA  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Sunday:
 
	#17 INDIANA at #11 MICHIGAN STATE  (ABC, 3:00 pm CST, regional)
	#69 Penn State at #100 West Virginia
 
Monday:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS at #26 OHIO STATE  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue	       11-3	 .786	19-5	.792
	 	Michigan State 10-3	 .769	21-5	.808
		Michigan	9-4	 .692	19-5	.792
		Minnesota	8-5	 .615	17-6	.739
		Illinois	9-6	 .600  	19-6	.760  
		Ohio State	7-6	 .538	13-10	.565
	 	Indiana		6-7	 .462	16-7	.696
		Iowa		3-10	 .231	11-12	.478
	 	Wisconsin	3-11	 .214	13-14	.481
	 	Northwestern	1-12	 .077	 8-15	.348
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State     11-4	 .733  	18-6	.750
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    Big10 refs are back at it again.  On Saturday night, Jim Bain (possibly
    as bad as Hightower) called the following technicals:  On someone
    behind the Gopher bench (a fan) who told him to watch the moving
    screens, i.e. no profanity.  On Connell Lewis of the Gophers for
    saying "What?"  On Newbern for a call at the end of the half that
    NONE of the refs saw, but after Jepsen and Dr. Malpractice complained
    (rightfully so) that Newbern elbowed Jepsen.  As for that incident,
    it was in response to all the elbows Jepsen threw in the game up
    here.  Still, when the refs don't see something, it's a no-call.
    
    The Gophers kicked Iowa's butt so it had no influence on the outcome
    of the game, but the officiating was absolutely atrocious.  Bain
    was out there with rabbit ears and called every ticky-tack foul that
    made the game a farce.  If the teams went two possessions in a row
    without a whistle, it was a miracle.  
    
    As for Davis, he proved to be Coach Idiot by having his team apply a 
    full-court press the whole game and giving the Gophers continual
    2-1's, 3-1's or 4-1's.  Respectfully, with the Gophers up 34 Haskins
    had mercy and the bench played quite a bit.
    
    
    Spud

Here's what's left for the BIG 10 contenders.   Purdue leads over
MSU by 1/2 game and over Michigan by 1.5.   Michigan plays at MSU
this week... 

Standings:
 
	 	Purdue	       12-3 
	 	Michigan State 11-3
		Michigan       10-4

Team		Opponent
----		--------
Purdue		at Iowa
		Michigan
		at Michigan St.
 
Michigan St.	Michigan
		at Minnesota
		at N'western
		Purdue
 
Michigan	at Michigan St.
		at Purdue
		Wisconsin
		Iowa

    
    Any details of the Ohio St.-Purdue game Saturday? All I know is that
    Purdue won by 7 but their last 12 points were free throws! Hard to
    believe that the Buckeyes would be fouling at the end of a game that
    they were ahead in.

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-22-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: A big win for Illinois...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Feb22.185348.20767@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 22 Feb 90 18:53:48 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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In addition to my regular report, I have a "Personal Asides" bit since I
witnessed last night's spectacle in the flesh.  Statistics courtesy of the
UofI Sports Info people - I got the sheets the press get (my friend is
a volunteer for them who did much of the setting up of their quite
sophisticated computer stat setup):
 
 
Last Night:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS 90, #4 PURDUE 78 (at Champaign):  The Illini, with their
	backs to the wall, outhustled Purdue, especially on the boards, and
	came away with a big win.  Purdue got off to a good start, leading
	5-2 and 9-6 early before going cold the remainder of the first half
	while Illinois warmed-up.  By the time the first TV TO was called,
	the Illini were up 12-9.  The lead bounced between 3 and 1 for 
	several minutes thereafter, as Illinois blew 5 or 6 chances to 
	extend the lead to 5 or 6.  At the 11:51 mark, the Illini led 16-13,
	and with 7:51 left, led 19-16.  It was at this point that the game
	changed for good, as Illinois went on an 11-point tear over the next
	3:59 to go up 30-16, much to the delight of the 16,218 who attended.
	Crucial within this run was a priceless technical foul which Gene
	Keady picked up when the score was 24-16 (5:37 left).  Keady, reacting
	to a foul on Steve Scheffler (one of the more passive of the fouls
	committed during the game), and probably trying to incite his own
	team (which was languishing at the time), stomped his feet a few times
	while moving towards center court, swore, did an about face, ripped 
	off his coat, walked to the endcourt while swinging the coat over his 
	head like a helicopter propellor (smiling throughout the whole thing), 
	did another about face, then whipped the coat into the stratosphere over
	his right shoulder, very much to the delight of the crowd.  Illinois
	used this to make a 6-point play, making the two bonus FTs, the two
	technical FTs, then hitting a shot on the possession.  With the lead
	at 30-16, Purdue regained it's composure and went to the lockerroom
	trailing 38-27, which frankly should have been much worse.  Purdue
	opened the second half with a turnover on the first possession 
	(Chuckie White has really bad hands), and Marcus Liberty promptly
	(and so effortlessly) sank a J.  At the first TO, Illinois led by
	12, 48-36.  Over the next five minutes, Purdue cut the lead to 9
	several times, but Illinois then took it's largest lead of the night
	at 66-51.  To it's credit, Purdue didn't go into the tank at this
	point, and scored the games' next 5 points to make it 66-56, but
	another TV TO seemed to stop their momentum.  Illinois raced back
	up 72-58, then Purdue made it's biggest run of the night, 7, to
	trail just 72-65 with still 3:46 to go.  However, the Illini, who
	went to the stripe a season-high 38 times, hit 19 consecutive FTs
	in the second half, and just wouldn't let Purdue get any closer.
	With 1:30 left and the score 80-72, Chuckie White travelled on an
	offensive rebound, and Illinois hit two FTs.  Then, Marcus Liberty
	stole a lazy Woody Austin pass, and Illinois went up 84-72, and the
	game was over.  The Illini won this game on the boards, getting 34
	to Purdue's 21, with a whopping 17 offensive rebounds.  The latter
	were crucial, because it seemed that Illinois either hit a hoop
	or two FTs after each one of those.  The Boilermaker defense, which
	was so stingy Monday night, was awful, as most of Illinois' 55
	shots were taken within 12 feet of the hoop, often times wide-open.	
	The Illinois defense did a much better job, and Purdue's 56% FG
	shooting was rather miraculous.  Kendall Gill, avoiding contact
	thoughout the game, led Illinois with 21, while Marcus Liberty had
	20 and Steve Bardo, ending a recent slump, netted 18.  Steve
	Scheffler led Purdue with 20, while Ryan Berning had 13.  Tony
	Jones had a bad night all-around, scoring only 9 and losing his
	man on defense most of the time.  Next for Illinois:  Monday at
	#26 Ohio State.  Next for Purdue:  Saturday vs. #26 Ohio State.
 
"Personal Asides"!!!!
 
	Well, after making an ass out of myself at recent Illinois-Purdue
	games here, I decided I would be low-key, though I did wear one
	of my black and gold sweatshirts.  I brought my pen with me and
	scored the hell out of the game (I still made mistakes - I don't
	know how they keep it all straight!), cheering little and just
	concentrating on what was happening.  I sat in the very top row,
	mostly around students, who were pretty cool, I thought, and one
	man who disagreed with every blow of the whistle.  He also shouted,
	"Take Him!" as Ryan Berning and Rodney Jones got into a brief
	scuffle.  His wife quickly pulled him down.  
 
	As soon as I reared my ugly head into the arena-proper, I heard two 
	different groups shout, "Peppler!".  Just above was my bosses' wife 
	and their 10-year old, who questioned why I would wear a Purdue shirt.
	I said, "We're in first!".  He accepted that.  Just across from them
	were two of my drinking buddies, who promptly told me Purdue
	"was going to get it's ass kicked".   I said, "Perhaps, but I'd
	rather be in Purdue's shoes at this point of the season."  They
	accepted that.  I then went to see my pal at the stat tables.	
	He's a computer wiz who works for a company in town which makes
	computer touch panels for firms like Xerox.  He said to come down
	at half to get the stats.  I then went to find my seat, and
	the usherette uttered, "Ooh, a Purdue fan", and told me to go
	to the top.  What struck me during the game was the contempt Illinois
	fans have for the officials.  This was apparent early.  I think
	they need to accept the obvious, that they stink.  Oh well.  And
	they berrated Steve Scheffler from the start, booing each time he
	touched the ball and howling every time he moved on the court.  I
	frankly didn't understand their contempt for him.  This kind of
	fan behavior is usually reserved for hotdogs or smartasses.  He's
	certainly neither.  Melvin Newbern was treated this way two weeks
	ago, but he deserved it after his antics in Minneapolis earlier.
	The cropper came ten minutes after the game ended, when I was
	watching my friend finish up the media stuff and whatnot.  He let me
	go down a row to look at one of the computer terminals to see
	the final stats, when one rather tall man (a fan) hit my 
	shoulder and said, "You have a nice drive home, now" (I was
	wearing my Colt jacket over my sweatshirt by then).  I said,
	"I only live three miles from here.  I bet I live closer to the
	Assembly Hall than you!"  He was walking away, of course, but
	stopped, turned around, flipped me the bird and mumbled,
	"Son of a bitch"!!  My friend said, "Forget it".  I thought,
	"Life in the Big Ten!".  I kind of looked over my shoulder as I
	later walked to my car... ;-).
 
Tonight:
 
	#52 WISCONSIN at #8 MINNESOTA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#74 IOWA at #104 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#100 West Virginia at #69 Penn State
 
Saturday:
 
	#104 NORTHWESTERN at #9 MICHIGAN  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#26 OHIO STATE at #4 PURDUE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#8  MINNESOTA at #74 IOWA  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Sunday:
 
	#17 INDIANA at #11 MICHIGAN STATE  (ABC, 3:00 pm CST, regional)
	#69 Penn State at #100 West Virginia
 
Monday:
 
	#14 ILLINOIS at #26 OHIO STATE  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue	       11-3	 .786	19-5	.792
	 	Michigan State 10-3	 .769	21-5	.808
		Michigan	9-4	 .692	19-5	.792
		Minnesota	8-5	 .615	17-6	.739
		Illinois	9-6	 .600  	19-6	.760  
		Ohio State	7-6	 .538	13-10	.565
	 	Indiana		6-7	 .462	16-7	.696
		Iowa		3-10	 .231	11-12	.478
	 	Wisconsin	3-11	 .214	13-14	.481
	 	Northwestern	1-12	 .077	 8-15	.348
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State     11-4	 .733  	18-6	.750
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-23-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: Almost a big upset... / CONTROVERSY!!
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Feb23.213229.23964@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 23 Feb 90 21:32:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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I would be terribly remiss if I didn't report this story.  All I've gotten
so far is the Illinois side of it, and I'm waiting for some word out of
Indiana on the opposite spin.  My reports to date come from WDWS (a local
radio station), the local newspaper, the Chicago Tribune, and heresay.  
Apparently, there was an "ugly postgame scene" involving Gene Keady, perhaps 
Chuckie White and Keady's wife, and Rodney Jones, Steve Bardo, Lou Henson, and 
Illinois assistant Mark Coomes.  The first story I heard via radio and rumor 
goes like this:  Rodney Jones said something he probably shouldn't have in
the Assembly Hall tunnel after the game.  When Keady told Coomes to
to "shut him the hell up or I will",  Coomes apparently responded, "I'd
like to see you try it".  Several barages of profanity were apparently
traded, mostly by Mean Gene, and it's said that he and Bardo came very
close to a physical confrontation.  It's said that White stuck his head
through the Illinois locker door and said, "At least we won't have to play
you guys next year".  Keady's strange wife apparently said something similar.
The local newspaper yesterday (I'm expecting more tonight) said, "Immediately
after the game, Keady let fly more expletives, some apparently directed at
Rodney Jones, as they walked down the Assembly Hall tunnel."  The Tribune
said, "One eyewitness said Keady cursed Illinois' Rodney Jones in the
Assembly Hall tunnel after the defeat and was ready to pick a fight with
Steve Bardo before peacemaker Lou Henson intervened.  Neither paper mentioned
whether the radio report of Jones' supposed initial remark started the ball
rolling.  Today on his daily call-in radio show, Jim Turpin, the radio voice
of the Illini, read the Tribune story over the air, and then commented in
response to a caller, "I have no respect for a coach who curses at opposing
players".  I saw both coaches do their postgame radio shows at press row
after the game, and didn't notice anything strange.  More on these weird 
events, which I thought were only supposed to occur when Arizona and UNLV 
hook up (;-), later...
 
 
Last Night:
 
	#8   MINNESOTA 68, #52 WISCONSIN 67 (at Minneapolis):  The Badgers
	played their fourth-straight great road game, but as with two of
	the previous three, came out on the short end of the stick again.
	But, oh, they were so close, and at tough Minnesota, of all places.
	Poor Larry Hisle.  He drilled a trey with 12 seconds left to cut
	the Minnesota lead to two at 68-66 (Jim Shikenjanski had just scored
	five points to help the Gophers to a 68-63 lead), but with no
	time remaining, missed the second of two free throws, and the Gophers
	eeked out a win.  The Gophers were only up 29-28 at the break in
	this exciting contest.  Wisconsin's Danny Jones, their all-time
	leading scorer, sat much of the game with fouls and only scored
	four points.  Willie Burton led Minnesota with 17, while Richard
	Coffey added 14 and a career-high 15 rebounds.  He is fifth on
	the schools all-time rebounding list.  Willie Simms pumped in 21
	for the hard-luck Badgers.  Hisle had 12.  To set up the final
	FTs, he had grabbed a rebound with 7 seconds left, drove the
	length of the court and fired off a three at the horn which missed.
	Kevin Lynch committed the foul which sent him to the stripe (in
	the SEC, he would have gotten three attempt!).  Next for Minnesota:
	Saturday at #74 Iowa.  Next for Wisconsin:  Thursday vs #104
	Northwestern.
	
 
	#104 NORTHWESTERN 72, #74 IOWA 66 (at Evanston):  Northwestern
	made the most of a good situation and registered just it's second
	league victory of the season.  The reeling Hawkeyes were in town,
	and although the Iowa team staged a comeback midway through the
	second half and briefly took the lead, they couldn't maintain
	and were beaten.  Northwestern led 30-28 at the break despite the
	fact that they shot only 39% from the field.  The Wildcats dominated
	the early portion of the second half, and led 45-36 before Iowa
	went on a 12 point tear to go up 48-45.  But, the Cats hung tough
	this time, scoring 8 of the game's next 10 points to lead 53-50.
	The Wildcats were still up at 68-62 with 1:50 remaining.  Les
	Jepsen missed the front end of a bonus with 1:04 left and the
	score 68-64, and that was it.  David Holmes had 18 for NU, while
	Walker Lambiotte had 14 and 8 rebounds.  Jepsen had 19 points
	and 17 rebounds, as Iowa ruled the boards 40-27.  NU shot 63% in
	the second half.  Looks like it will be a good race between Iowa,
	Wisconsin and NU to see who finishes in the Big Ten cellar.  Next
	for NU:  Saturday at #9 Michigan.  Next for Iowa:  Saturday vs.
	#8 Minnesota.
 
	#69  Penn State 64, #100 West Virginia 61 (at State College):  I
	apologize for not mentioning that this game was on ESPN.  It was
	a terrific game, and I hope you got to see it.  The Penn State
	gym looks like a real snakepit, and if the new place isn't built
	in time for Penn State's entry into the Big Ten, I think conference
	teams will have some "fun" trying to win there!  Next for PSU:
	Sunday at #100 West Virginia (strange scheduling).
 
Saturday:
 
	#104 NORTHWESTERN at #9 MICHIGAN  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#26  OHIO STATE at #4 PURDUE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#8   MINNESOTA at #74 IOWA  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Sunday:
 
	#17  INDIANA at #11 MICHIGAN STATE  (ABC, 3:00 pm CST, regional)
	#69  Penn State at #100 West Virginia
 
Monday:
 
	#14  ILLINOIS at #26 OHIO STATE  (ESPN, 8:30 pm CST)
 
Wednesday:
 
	#4   PURDUE at #74 IOWA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#199 Duquesne at #69 Penn State  (end of regular season)
 
Thursday:
 
	#8   MINNESOTA at #17 INDIANA
	#9   MICHIGAN at #11 MICHIGAN STATE
	#104 NORTHWESTERN at #52 WISCONSIN
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue	       11-3	 .786	19-5	.792
	 	Michigan State 10-3	 .769	21-5	.808
		Michigan	9-4	 .692	19-5	.792
		Minnesota	9-5	 .643	18-6	.750
		Illinois	9-6	 .600  	19-6	.760  
		Ohio State	7-6	 .538	13-10	.565
	 	Indiana		6-7	 .462	16-7	.696
		Iowa		3-11	 .214	11-13	.458
	 	Wisconsin	3-12	 .200	13-15	.464
	 	Northwestern	2-12	 .143	 9-15	.375
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State     12-4	 .750  	19-6	.760
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From: kclenden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kevin Clendenien)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Big Ten Career Scoring Leaders
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Date: 27 Feb 90 04:42:58 GMT
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                        Big Ten Career Scoring Leaders
                   All Games (Conference & Non-Conference)
                        Through Games of Feb. 19, 1990
 
 1. Glen Rice, Mi          2,442 (Mi)    21. Jay Vincent, MS        1,914
 2. Mike Mcgee, Mi         2,439         22. Billy McKinney, Nw     1,900 (Nw)
 3. Steve Alford, In       2,438 (In)    23. Sam Vincent, MS        1,851
 4. Rick Mount, Pu         2,323 (Pu)    24. Walter Jordan, Pu      1,831
 5. Gary Grant, Mi         2,222         25. Rudy Tomjanovich, Mi   1,808
 6. Don Schlundt, In       2,192         26. DANNY JONES, WI        1,787 (WI)
 7. Joe Barry Carroll, Pu  2,175         27. Terry Furlow, MS       1,777
 8. Cazzie Russell, Mi     2,164         28. Greg Stokes, Io        1,768
 9. Scott Skiles, MS       2,145 (MS)    29. Jay Burson, OS         1,756
10. Roy Marble, Io         2,116 (Io)    30. Randy Breuer, Mn       1,755
11. Dennis Hopson, OS      2,096 (OS)    31. Claude Gregory, Wi     1,745
12. Dave Schellhase, Pu    2,074         32. Kent Benson, In        1,740
13. Mike Woodson, In       2,061         33. Rick Olson, Wi         1,736
14. Troy Lewis, Pu         2,038         34. Bill Buntin, Mi        1,725
15. Greg Kelser, MS        2,041         35. Mike Robinson, MS      1,717
16. Herb Williams, OS      2,011             Keith Edmonson, Pu     1,717
17. Mychal Thompson, Mn    1,992 (Mn)    37. B.J. Armstrong, Io     1,705
18. Jerry Lucas, OS        1,990         38. Kevin McHale, Mn       1,704
19. Terry Dischinger, Pu   1,979         39. Todd Mitchell, Pu      1,699
20. Kelvin Ransey, OS      1,934         40. Eddie Johnson, Il      1,692 (Il)
 
Team initials in parenthesis indicated the individual team scoring leader.
Player names in all caps indicate an active player.

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (2-27-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: A wild ending to Big Monday...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Feb27.162840.29647@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 27 Feb 90 16:28:40 GMT
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Last Night:
 
	#26  OHIO STATE 86, #14 ILLINOIS 80  (at Columbus):  Illinois brings
	out the best and worst in Ohio State.  At Champaign last month, the
	Buckeyes played maybe their best half of the season in the first,
	leading 45-42 and looking super in the process.  But, Illinois scored
	the first 19 points of the second half, as OSU went scoreless for
	nearly 9 minutes, and Illinois routed them.  Last night, OSU was
	incredible for the first 16 minutes of the game, making Illinois
	look silly at times.  They had leads of 15-5, 23-9, and eventually
	41-22 before the roof caved in.  Andy Kaufmann hit a couple of hoops
	to get it going, and with some bad offense by OSU, before you knew
	it the score was 43-39 at the half.  A 17-2 run.  This continued
	during the first 7 minutes of the second half, as the Buckeyes came
	out hitting only 1 of their first 13 shots.  Illinois was up 
	54-48 (a 15-5 run), culminating an incredible 32-7 run!  But, Jim
	Jackson took the game over, hitting 3 straight FGs for seven points,
	putting OSU up, and they never trailed again.  The lead dropped to
	as few as one on occasions, and rose to as much as 7 or so before
	the end.  Steve Bardo kept Illinois close with several J's and
	nice drives.  But in the end, Illinois missed more FTs than OSU
	did, and no one could hit a bucket in the final minute.  The
	Big Ten should give co-frosh of the year awards to Jackson and
	Calbert Cheaney of Indiana.  The Buckeyes kept their outside shot
	at an NCAA berth alive, going to 8-7 in the league and 14-11 
	overall.  Lou Henson's bench took a page out of the Keady/Knight
	coaching book, getting a T when things got bleak.  The next 5 fouls
	whistled were against OSU, as were the next two turnover whistles.
	That helped turn the game around in the first half.  QUESTION FOR
	OSU FANS:  Remember the scene about halfway through the second
	half when Lou wanted travelling and the crowd started doing the
	travelling arms (and kept doing it)?  Wasn't that blonde Buckeye QB
	Greg Frey back there leading the cheers?  Dick and Mike didn't pick
	up on it, maybe since they don't follow football much.  Randy Ayers
	will get several votes for Big Ten Coach of the Year next month,
	though Keady or Heathcote are probably a lock, depending on what 
	happens.  Next for OSU:  Saturday at #104 Northwestern.  Next for 
	Illinois:  Sunday vs. #74 Iowa.
 
Wednesday:
 
	#4   PURDUE at #74 IOWA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#199 Duquesne at #69 Penn State  (end of regular season)
 
Thursday:
 
	#8   MINNESOTA at #17 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#9   MICHIGAN at #11 MICHIGAN STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#104 NORTHWESTERN at #52 WISCONSIN  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Saturday:
 
	#17  INDIANA at #52 WISCONSIN  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#26  OHIO STATE at #104 NORTHWESTERN  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#11  MICHIGAN STATE at #8 MINNESOTA  [1:00 pm CST]
 
Sunday:
 
	#9   MICHIGAN at #4 PURDUE  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST - national)
	#74  IOWA at #14 ILLINOIS  (ABC, 3:00 pm CST - regional)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Purdue	       12-3	 .800	20-5	.800
	 	Michigan State 11-3	 .786	22-5	.815
		Michigan       10-4	 .714	20-5	.800
		Minnesota      10-5	 .667	19-6	.760
		Illinois	9-7	 .563  	19-7	.731  
		Ohio State	8-7	 .533	14-11	.560
	 	Indiana		6-8	 .429	16-8	.667
	 	Wisconsin	3-12	 .200	13-15	.464
		Iowa		3-12	 .200	11-14	.440
	 	Northwestern	2-13	 .133	 9-16	.360
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State     12-5	 .706  	19-7	.731
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    Can anyone give me information on Steve Smith of Michigan State??
    I saw highlights of him and he is truly a BIG TIME player.  

    Don't count Wisconsin out at home.  

I saw highlights of the Indiana-? game a few nights ago on SportsCenter,
and besides another good loss for the Hoosiers they showed a clip of Bobby
Knight bleeding pretty badly from the hand.  What did he do?

Dan

	Dan,

	About 10 minutes into the game, Eric Anderson picked up two quick
	fouls.  Just a minute or so later, Anderson had the ball in the
	lane and there was a collision with a Mich. State player.  The
	official on the side immediately called a charge.  The official
	under the basket simultaneously called a block.  The side official
	ran towards the scorer's table with his call, and the underneath
	official just dropped his.  There wasn't any consultation between
	the two.

	When the block call was ignored, Knight began animatedly making
	the block call, and yelling "You (he) called a block!" at the 
	officials.  He said on his radio show that he apparently dislocated
	his thumb on his hip while mimicing the block signal, ripping his
	hand open in the process.

	From the TV replay, it looked to me like the underneath official had
	the best view of the play, but that the charge call (made by the
	side official) was correct.  Anybody know what SHOULD happen when
	officials make opposite, simultaneous foul calls.  


tom

Purdue lost at Iowa by 1 last night... It comes down to Michigan vs
Michigan State tonight.  If MSU wins, then it will come down to the
final game of MSU vs Purdue.  If Michigan wins, then Purdue can clinch
with a win over Michigan Sunday.

    
    yeah I'll bet Keady wishes the Knick's refs were there....
    
    mike

    MSU will not win at Minnesota, so that has to be taken in account
    as well.  What happened to Manns?  I heard he was hurt, but has
    played some.
    
    Purdue loses at Iowa?!  How did that happen?  Iowa looked like the
    most pathetic team I've seen in years last Saturday night.  
    
    
    Spud

    Purdue has lost 3 1-point games.  The good side of it is that they may
    lose but they are never out of it.  The bad side is that they seem to
    lose too many close games this year, as well as the last two years.  A
    while back Keady used to be automatic in close games under five points
    or OTs.  This year they have lost to Long Beach State, Minnesota and
    Iowa by one each.  That hurts.
    
    Charles

    Thanks T - now we'll be talking tomorrow, right?  :*)
    
    Also, Minnesota is @ OSU in their last game.
    
    
    Spud

	>He said on his radio show that he apparently dislocated
	>his thumb on his hip while mimicing the block signal, ripping his
	>hand open in the process.

Ouch!  I've dislocated a thumb before, and not only is it painful, but you never
give it the chance to heal right (try living with an immobile thumb for 6 weeks).
It bothers me still sometimes 2 years later.  And to think that he opened up the
skin at the same time, but I assume it wasn't the dislocation, or there's no
way he would've still been yelling at the refs then.  I imagine that once he
sat down the pain hit him pretty hard.

Dan

    
    Whoa, whoa there Mr. Bigot. It was Knight. I saw the Sportscenter where
    they showed it also. The local news said they thought he cut his hand
    on the chair jumping up, catching a sharp edge. A compound dislocated
    thumb, huh? Ouch!, that's gotta hurt. It was bleeding pretty good.

    I heard Michigan lost,something like 78-70.
    
    
    
    O_J

    
    yes they did to the new leaders of the big ten Michigan State....
    
    The gophers beat the hooisers 75  70....
    
    wisconsin 65  northwestern  50.....
    
    stevie smith improved his POY chances with a 36 point 9 rebound
    performance....
    
    
    mike

    Geez, we haven't seen each other yet, but we did make definate plans
    to talk today.  Ahhh... so sweet this year as the the Gophs sweep
    Indiana and probably knock them out of the NCAA's.
    
    It was a very good game as the Gophs came storming out to a 20-4
    lead.  The IU crowd must have been in shock.  I will give Bobby
    and his All-Blue-Chip-Band credit though as they climbed back in
    and made it a close game, actually taking a lead with about three
    minutes to go.  Then Willie Burton took over and it was history.
    This Chaney may be Jackson's equal for freshman of the year.
    
    
    Spud

    
    Hey T, did you meet Bob Knight this past weekend?
    
    glenn
    

Ex-Hoosier blue chip star Jay Edwards failed his drug test and has
been suspended for the rest of the NBA season.  As I said all along,
Knight did Edwards a disservice by allowing him to play last year, which
certainly helped the basketball team to the Big Ten title but seems
to have left Edwards ill-prepared for either the NBA or life in general.

Dan

    
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Too much, Dan! You can't possibly really believe
    that, can you? 
    
    Edwards left Indiana on his own accord to go to the NBA. Most people
    thought he made a mistake. That he should have stayed in college for 
    another year. That he was not ready for the NBA. Why do you blame
    someone else for Edwards deciding to leave college and for getting
    caught doing drugs? Especially an ex-coach of his. What about his high
    school coach, or his 6th grade coach, or his parents? How old is
    Edwards, 21, 22? Here we have a guy, Bob Knight, that coached Edwards
    for roughly 1/10 of his life and hasn't coached him for a year, but you
    are blaming him for Edwards screwing up. That is totally absurd. At
    Edwards age don't you think he is old enough to be responsible for his
    own actions? I do and so do the laws.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    Hoot,
    
    I think Dan's point wasn't that Fight (tm) let him go to the NBA.  That
    was obviously his decision and I'm sure one Bob didn't agree with.
    
    The issue is whether Edwards, who'd been in *loads* of trouble before
    (and possibly during) the '89-90 IU campaign, should've been allowed to
    play at all.  
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    FWIW,
    
    Another big-10 player, ROy Marble, was suspended for substance
    abuse - he was with Atlanta.
    
    JD
    
    PS - I don't BLAM (tm) Knight for Edwards' actions.  Bobby could
    have forced Edwards into rehab or something - but the bottom line
    is an addict has to want to help themselves to be sucessful in any
    rehab effort.  

    >Edwards left Indiana on his own accord to go to the NBA. Most people
    >thought he made a mistake.

And his coach and should-be advisor doesn't take any responsiblity for this?
I said I thought it was a mistake at the time, that Edwards wasn't ready for
the NBA, and although he was a blue chipper he needed more development.
Knight had a couple years to convince him when he was good and ready,
but didn't.  That is one symptom of the disservice.

   >Why do you blame
   > someone else for Edwards deciding to leave college and for getting
   > caught doing drugs?

I haven't blamed anyone else.  But let's recall that Edwards had this problem
while at IU (according to everyone but MrT and Edwards mother, that is),
but it was quickly forgotten about when it became apparent that the 
basketball team really, really needed him for its success.  It's wasn't
consistent with the Knight discipline, but it has evolved that his method
of dealing with this was entirely unsuccessful.  That is another reason I
called it a "disservice".

    >Here we have a guy, Bob Knight, that coached Edwards
    >for roughly 1/10 of his life and hasn't coached him for a year, but you
    >are blaming him for Edwards screwing up.

It is evident that you haven't understood and are approaching the events just
as I'm sure the IU propoganda machine and  Knight sycophant will.  Knight 
advertises this total package of superior coaching, marine-like discipline,
loyalty, education, clean-Midwestern living, etc. as the inducement to
accept a scholarship to his university.  Edwards gave him the basketball
that Knight demanded, but once all those recruits commited to IU, suddenly
the seeming control that Knight exersized over Edwards vanished and
Edwards, who had discipline/drug/academic problems at school, but was 
allowed to play anyway, went hardship.  As soon as Knight didn't *need*
him for the success of the team, he was allowed to drift into the NBA,
very much unprepared.  

That is the blame I laid back then at Knight's feet.  Not Edwards shoving the 
coke (or whatever illegal substance it was) up his nose - that was his decision, 
and his mistake to recompense, both in college and in the pros - but it should
have never been allowed to reach that point.  Under many, many coaches, it
wouldn't have.   The drugs are only one result of several possibilities.  Knight
should have been able to coax out some of the others with better decision
making before last season.

Valvano would have let Edwards play last year too.

Dan

    
    Re Dan.
    
    Are you really this ignorant or is it just an act?????
    
    Knight recommended that Jay miss the first half of the season and
    spend 6 weeks in a program.  He only let Jay back on the
    team(probationary measures) after Jay's parents and Jay's drug
    counseler pleaded with Knight saying that Jay only had a recreational
    problem and it would be in his best interest to let him play basketball
    because it would fill his time.
    
    You know Dan, you're act is getting REAL OLD.  You're such a hypocrite.
    I don't see any of you're notes in here about other college coaches
    being at blame for the countless drug offenses going on today. 
    Is Jim Valvano at fault for Chris Washburn?.  How about Lou Carnesecca
    for Chris Mullin or Rollie Massimino for Dwayne McClain or was it
    Wilson???.
    
    Send me mail Dan, I'd really be interested on why you keep up with
    this constant drivel.....
    
    Cap

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (3-1-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: MSU leads, controversy at Iowa...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Mar1.182518.17128@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
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Last Night:
 
	#83  IOWA 64, #6 PURDUE 63 (at Iowa City):  In probably the upset
	of the Big Ten season to date, the Iowa Hawkeyes outplayed the
	ninth-ranked Purdue Boilermakers from wire-to-wire and held on
	for a 64-63 win which unfortunately was not without controversy
	at the end.  Matt Bullard opened the game for Iowa with a
	trifecta.  Iowa led 7-2 and 7-4 before Purdue ever hit a field
	goal, several minutes into the game.  The Boilermakers opened
	up 0-5.  But, Purdue took a brief 12-11 lead, then again at 14-13,
	and led 18-14 before Iowa took over the rest of the half.  With
	Purdue up 23-22, Iowa ran off 7 straight to go up 29-23.  Purdue
	closed to 29-27, but then Iowa outscored them 6-2 to end the
	half, leading 35-29 at the break.  Purdue had several good chances
	to do it at the start of the second half, as Iowa went into it's
	turnover mode on offense, the one which has cost them all year.
	However, Purdue really didn't cash in.  They did tie it at 41-all,
	but then Iowa went on a 12-4 tear to go up 53-45, and the crowd
	was rocking.  At this point, Woody Austin went on his own personal
	run, and Purdue led 56-55 with 7:51 to go.  From this moment on,
	though, points were hard to come by due to a comedy of errors from 
	both sides.  Purdue still led 60-56 with around 3 minutes left,
	and had blown several opportunities to expand it when Iowa got
	four straight to tie it.  Within this period, Austin got poked in
	the eye and he never returned except for a brief, several second
	stint.  Purdue just couldn't score anymore.  Jimmy Oliver hit
	the front end of two FTs after being tackled by Bullard on a
	baseline breakaway.  The Hawkeyes regained the lead with just
	under a minute to play on a hoop, 62-61, then Purdue worked the
	clock and Tony Jones hit a J around the 30 second mark to put
	Purdue back up 63-62.  Iowa called a TO with :20 left, and with
	about 13 seconds left, shot and missed.  Les Jepsen rebounded
	and apparently lost the ball out-of-bounds, but Iowa was rewarded
	possession, much to the delight of the crowd, which had hushed
	after the temporary loss.  Matt Bullard passed the ball in
	and quickly took a return pass and hit a turnaround J with 8+
	seconds left.  Purdue called a TO, but didn't get it until 6.6
	showed.  Tony Jones dribbled most of the floor after the TO and 
	bricked a 15-foot J, but it carrommed straight to Jimmy Oliver, who 
	put in a 10-footer to apparently win the game.  However, the officials,
	as Purdue was erupting off of the bench and celebrating, waved
	it off after a short pause, with Joe Silvester doing the waving.
	Replays showed the ball just about to exit Oliver's hand as the
	0:00 flashed on the clock, but apparently (a friend of an eye-witness
	told me) the buzzer didn't sound until the ball was just about to
	go through the hoop, which is supposed to be the official end of the
	game.  So, draw your own conclusions.  Gene Keady plans no protest,
	though he was quite irate.  Jim Szabo, the loquacious but exciting
	Iowa radio announcer, seemed quite surprised by the turnaround.  
	Two of Iowa's seniors, Bullard and Jepsen, led the team in their 
	final appearance at Iowa, with 16 and 15 points, respectively.  James 
	Moses also had 15, with several big ones in the second half.  Steve 
	Scheffler took only four shots, all in the first half, and had only 6 
	points.  Austin led Purdue with 13, while Oliver had 11 off of the 
	bench.  Iowa hammered Purdue on the boards 35-26, with many of them of 
	the offensive variety.  The Hawkeyes ended a six-game losing streak.  
	Next for Iowa:  Sunday at #14 Illinois.  Next for Purdue:  Sunday vs.
	#8 Michigan.
 
	#77  Penn State 76, #200 Duquesne 58 (at State College):  The
	Nittany Lions won their 13th straight home game.  Next:  The
	Atlantic-10 Conference Tournament, March 3-8 at Philadelphia.
	Penn State finished second in the league...
 
Tonight:
 
	#9   MINNESOTA at #17 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#8   MICHIGAN at #11 MICHIGAN STATE  [7:00 pm CST]
	#102 NORTHWESTERN at #47 WISCONSIN  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Saturday:
 
	#17  INDIANA at #47 WISCONSIN  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#23  OHIO STATE at #102 NORTHWESTERN  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	#11  MICHIGAN STATE at #9 MINNESOTA  [1:00 pm CST]
 
Sunday:
 
	#8   MICHIGAN at #6 PURDUE  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST - national)
	#83  IOWA at #14 ILLINOIS  (ABC, 3:00 pm CST - regional)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Michigan State 11-3	 .786	22-5	.815
	 	Purdue	       12-4	 .750	20-6	.769
		Michigan       10-4	 .714	20-5	.800
		Minnesota      10-5	 .667	19-6	.760
		Illinois	9-7	 .563  	19-7	.731  
		Ohio State	8-7	 .533	14-11	.560
	 	Indiana		6-8	 .429	16-8	.667
		Iowa		4-12	 .250	12-14	.462
	 	Wisconsin	3-12	 .200	13-15	.464
	 	Northwestern	2-13	 .133	 9-16	.360
		--------------------------------------------
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Big Ten Seniors/Next Year
Message-ID: <1990Mar2.222529.7803@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 2 Mar 90 22:25:29 GMT
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In a continuing line of Big Ten public service announcements, here's a
list of the current seniors, and what I think might happen next year
(not factoring in new recruits, since I don't know how all of the schools
did).  GaRy looked ahead at the Pac-10 next year, so I got the itch here.
 
P refers to position, S refers to status (Y=starter, N=not a starter, S=
sometimes a starter).  The final column reflects including only those with
a Y (first), and those with a Y or S (second):
 
School		Player			P	S	Starters returning/lost
------		------			-	-	-----------------------
 
Illinois:	Steve Bardo		G	Y		3/2 or 1/4
		Kendall Gill		G	Y
		P.J. Bowman		G	S
		Ervin Small		C	S
 
Indiana:	Mark Robinson		F	N		5/0
		Jeff Oliphant		G	N
	
Iowa:		Les Jepsen		C	Y		3/2 or 2/3
		Matt Bullard		F	Y
		Michael Ingram		F	S
 
Michigan:	Mike Griffin		F	Y		1/4
		Terry Mills		C	Y
		Loy Vaught		F	Y
		Rumeal Robinson		G	Y
	
Michigan State:	Ken Redfield		F	Y		3/2
		Kirk Manns		G	Y
		Todd Wolfe		F	N
		Dave Mueller		C	N
 
Minnesota:	Willie Burton		F	Y		2/3 or 1/4
		Richard Coffey		C	Y
		Melvin Newbern		G	Y
		Jim Shikenjanski	C-F	S
		Connell Lewis		G	N
		Rob Metcalf		G	N
 
Northwestern:	Walker Lambiotte	F	Y		3/2 or 1/4
		Brian Schwabe		C	Y
		Rob Ross		G	S
		Don Polite		F	S
		Bryan Ross		C	N
 
Ohio State:	None!!!						5/0
 
Purdue:		Ryan Berning		F	Y		2/3
		Tony Jones		G	Y
		Steve Scheffler		C	Y
 
Wisconsin:	Danny Jones		F	Y		3/2
		Kurt Portmann		C-F	Y
 
 
The first thing to notice is that the league is losing one hell of a lot
of good players...
 
The big losers for next year are Minnesota and Michigan, with Purdue and
probably Northwestern, Illinois, and Iowa close behind.
 
The big winners are Ohio State and Indiana, with Michigan State probably
next.
 
My first stab at next year:
 
 
	1.	Michigan State
	2.	Ohio State
	3.	Indiana
	4.	Illinois
	5.	Michigan
	6.	Purdue
	7.	Minnesota
	8.	Wisconsin
	9.	Iowa
	10.	Northwestern
 
 
I don't see any juniors being at the "Nick Anderson level" which would allow
them the opportunity to turn pro early.  The only remote possibilities would 
be Marcus Liberty at Illinois, Steve Smith at Michigan State, Sean Higgins at
Michigan, or even more remotely, Perry Carter at Ohio State.
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    MSU, assuming they beat Northwestern, has locked up the championship,
    and the only way for Purdue to share it is to beat MSU at Lansing.
    Good job MSU.  All other teams are officially out of it.
    
    Charles

>    Are you really this ignorant or is it just an act?????

Thankfully, Cap, you are not nor will you ever be the judge of my knowledge.
Nor would I ever presume to be the judge of yours.

    >Knight recommended that Jay miss the first half of the season and
    >spend 6 weeks in a program. 

Yes.  And once the basketball season rolled around?  There's Jay back on
scholarship.  There's Jay with a slap on the wrists for the drugs.  There's
Jay winning a game with the last-second shot.  There's Jay still underachieving
in the class room.  There's Jay with a host of problems never made to
understand their gravity because he performs on the court.  I agree with you,
it's a problem at too many other institutions, but...

    >I don't see any of you're notes in here about other college coaches
    >being at blame for the countless drug offenses going on today. 
    >Is Jim Valvano at fault for Chris Washburn?.  How about Lou Carnesecca
    >for Chris Mullin or Rollie Massimino for Dwayne McClain or was it
    >Wilson???.

Because no one is sitting there typing repeatedly the propoganda about how
those coaches are so lilly-white, so superior, so deservedly self-righteous.
No one is telling me that Valvano handled Washburn just right and
it should be a model for the future, or Carnesecca, or Massimino.
Yes, Valvano deserves a lion's share of blame for Washburn, and Louie
probably could have done more for Mullin's drinking problem (although I don't
know if he had one when at St. Johns), and Rollie got some bad press over
the McClain story, and I am incredulous that he didn't know something was going
on there, presuming McClain's sensational story is all true.  

But cast a glance at the note following yours, Cap, and turn your propoganda
dial down a little.  Knight's handling of this problem is held up as what "should
be the basis of NCAA legislation on how to handle star players".  No.  This is
not what we want our star college players to become - end of bench, short
term-NBAers with drug problems suspended from the league.  Any solution 
which leads to that is a bad solution.

Edwards was sent a message in his handling at IU.  He flaunted just about
every avenue that was available to him, and still he was allowed to play -
his suspension was lifted, his scholarship was reinstated, he was the star
player all over again.  The message is pretty clear despite the sycophantic
bleatings of 11.355.

He wasn't made to understand the jeopardy in which he was placing his
career.  And now, unfortunately, his career is in jeopardy.  This isn't a
Bobby Knight success story, no matter what kind of spin you guys put
on it.

Dan

   >There was Jay, the only self-funded
   > elgible superstar in modern college hoops history, on his own dough
   > until the spring semester.

And what happened then?  Was his scholarship re-rewarded or not?
And when did that happen?  When was the promise made that it would
happen.

It figures that a sycophantic bigot, such as yourself, would hunt around
searching for any slight discrepency, and keep your head firmly and
entirely planted in the sand concerning the big picture.  That is, the
message sent to Jay Edwards: how to appease and get back on the court
AND get the scholarship back, and have the bad grades and the drugs
and whatever those other on-campus.  And then how strongly he took
that message to heart.

Yes, a year ago, you were saying that the problem with Jay Edwards was
just an overdue library book and you called me a liar.  And now Jay Edwards 
is suspended from his profession for doing illegal drugs (which he knew he'd
get suspended for if caught, which he knew he couldn't get away with because 
of the random testing of NBA rookies) and you're saying the Scholarship was
reinstated in January and not December and calling me a liar again.

You're blind with your confessed bigotry.

Dan

    
    Give it up, Dan.  If Edwards had been thrown off the team, had his
    scholarship revoked, and had been denied the chance to play big-time 
    college basketball, he'd have turned pro even sooner and you'd be 
    screaming bloody murder.  Since when did you become the advocate of 
    the hard-line, lock-'em-up, just-say-no mentality?  Edwards turned 
    pro against the advice of just about everyone who covered the draft.  
    That's his problem.  Sometimes the responsibility lies with the 
    individual.
    
    The hypocrisy *I* see is T's condemnation of the Oklahomas and UNLV's
    when Knight himself has apparently hit a pretty good streak of
    recruiting blunders (at least by T's criteria) with the likes of
    Edwards and Funderbunke.  Is Knight selling out to the system, T?
    
    glenn

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (3-5-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: There will be a race, by cracky...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Mar5.193939.12005@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 5 Mar 90 19:39:39 GMT
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Saturday's Results:
 
	#17  INDIANA 70, #47 WISCONSIN 68 (at Madison):  Wisconsin grasped
	defeat from the jaws of victory Saturday afternoon in front of
	a Big Ten TV audience and 11,898 incredibly disappointed fans at
	Wisconsin Fieldhouse.  The Badgers played a marvelous game for
	about 34 minutes.  They had a huge 43-29 lead at the halftime break.
	Indiana managed to get back into the ballgame at 49-47 with 11:19
	to go, when Wisconsin went on a 16-5 run to seemingly put the game
	away 65-52 with about 6 minutes left.  They had hit three treys during
	this stretch, and the crowd knew that IU's 20-game win streak over
	the Badgers was just about history.  But, IU turned up the heat
	on defense, employing a full-court press which Wisconsin was
	completely inept at breaking.  IU continually stole the ball and
	made easy baskets.  When Wisconsin managed to get the ball over the
	10-second stripe, the Hoosiers would foul them.  But, Wisconsin missed
	every free throw opportunity during the final 3 minutes.  Eric
	Anderson and Calbert Cheaney were deadly in the final minutes,
	with Cheaney nailing the game winner with :02 left.  A last second
	shot by Wisconsin wasn't even close in front of the stunned crowd.
	IU scored the games' final 10 points (last 3:11) and 18 of the final
	21.  Steve Yoder:   "Very frankly, we just beat ourselves.
	People would have to think we're nuts to talk about postseason
	play after losing today".  Don't hold your breath.  The Badgers can
	do no better than 15-16 now (by upsetting Michigan Thursday), and
	the NIT won't take teams with losing records (e.g., Purdue's 15-16
	last year).  IU kept it's NCAA hopes alive.  Bob Knight:  "Our
	kids did an excellent job handling the last possession.  Today,
	things broke our way."  Next for IU:  Thursday vs. #23 Ohio State.
	Next for Wisconsin:  Thursday at #8 Michigan.
	
	#23  OHIO STATE 95, #102 NORTHWESTERN 86 (at Evanston):  OSU did
	just enough to hold off the stubborn Wildcats in the final homegame
	for Walker Lambiotte and Brian Schwabe, two NU pillars over the
	years.  Perry Carter and Alex Davis led the way with 21 and 20,
	respectively, as Jim Jackson, OSU's Mr. Clutch recently, decided
	to take on the role of playmaker.  He did a great job at that, too.
	The Buckeyes were up just 44-38 at the break as NU never really did
	roll over and give up.  Walker Lambiotte and Rex Walters had
	excellent games, each scoring 23 points.  Five Buckeyes managed
	double figures.  Northwestern was whistled for 30 personals, but
	both teams shot 30 or more FTs.  The Buckeyes probably need one
	more good win to get off of the NCAA tournament bubble.  Next for
	OSU:  Thursday at #17 Indiana.  Next for NU:  Thursday vs. #11
	Michigan State.
 
	#11  MICHIGAN STATE 75, #9 MINNESOTA 73 - OT (at Minneapolis):  In
	a remarkable road performance, the Spartans avenged an earlier loss
	to the Gophers and just about clinched at least a tie for the Big
	Ten title.  Just 30 hours after beating Michigan, the Spartans took
	control of the game early as the Gophers came out of the emotional
	pregame introductions ice cold.  Except for a brief stretch late
	in the first half and during the overtime, MSU never trailed.  The
	Gophers, who had trailed by as many as 7 early, final broke on top
	23-22.  After leading 26-24, State again seized control and led
	34-28 in the lockerroom, hitting two straight treys to end the
	half.  The Spartans controlled most of the low-scoring second half,
	and seemingly were safe, up 60-49 with less than three minutes to 
	go.  Even with 1:51 left, State was up 60-51.  But, the Gophers
	put on a furious rally, abandoning their cold perimeter game by
	having the guards drive the paint and shoot or dish it to Jim
	Shikenjanski, who delivered.  MSU missed several free throw 
	opportunities during this period (just like against Michigan) and
	Mike Peplowski was called for a charge on an ill-advised drive
	("like a bull in a china shop", as Jud Heathcote described it
	later).  Willie Burton hit one in the paint with 5 seconds left
	to tie it at 62 and send the game to OT.  Melvin Newbern, who
	woke up at the end of regulation, put the Gophers up 64-62 in
	the OT, and the game seesawed between ties and Gopher leads of
	two until Kevin Lynch missed an FT.  The Spartans scored to
	go ahead, and the game seesawed with one point leads until Lynch
	again missed an FT, leaving the score 73-all and less than a
	minute left.  Steve Smith, who again was a god with 39 points,
	hit a very tough J just inside the 3-point line with 29 seconds
	left to put State up 75-73.  The Gophers worked the clock and
	went for the win instead of the tie, as Lynch missed an open
	trey at the horn.  Lynch, normally a dead-eye shooter, was just
	3-15 from the floor (1-6 from trifecta land) and missed the two
	key FTs in just four attempts.  The Gophers shot just 42% to
	MSU's 51%.  If MSU hadn't had enough with the injury bug with
	Kirk Manns' absence, Ken Redfield nursed a slightly pulled
	hamstring throughout the game, which hindered his stellar
	defensive play a bit.  Newbern and Burton each had 20 in their
	Williams Arena farewells.  No other Spartan reached double figures
	besides Smith's 39!!  The Minnesota crowd was outstanding after
	the game, staying and raising the roof to salute the squad's six
	seniors.  Those seniors helped transform the Gophers from a team
	which at one time lost 17 consecutive league games into a contender.
	Next for MSU:  Thursday at #102 Northwestern.  Next for Minnesota:
	Saturday at #23 Ohio State.
 
Sunday's Results:
 
	#6   PURDUE 79, #8 MICHIGAN 77 (at West Lafayette):  In a well-
	played ballgame which never saw a lead of more than 6 points,
	Purdue nailed the buzzer-beater which had eluded them in two recent
	road losses.  Michigan ran it's two-man game of Terry Mills and
	Rumeal Robinson to perfection, but Purdue's balance was just enough
	to hold off the defending national champions and eliminate them
	from the Big Ten race.  Rumeal would drive all day and dish to Mills,
	who was deadly with 30 points.  Or, Rumeal would pull up for the J
	or take the baseline and score himself.  He ended up with 20.  But,
	Michigan did a poor job the entire game of blocking out on the
	defensive end, as Ryan Berning repeatedly was able to score on
	putbacks or rebound and kick it back out to reset the 45-second
	clock.  He probably played his best game in a Purdue uniform, 
	scoring 19 points (including several long rainbows), pulling in
	10 boards (5 offensive), and with Chuckie White's help, fouling
	Loy Vaught out of the game with over 7 minutes to play.  Purdue
	led by four a couple of times in the first half, and Michigan
	by three, as the Boilers led 40-38 at the break.  The second
	half was no different, though the Wolverines made a seven point
	run when Purdue was up 48-44 to lead 51-48.  Purdue took it's biggest
	lead at 65-59 shortly thereafter.  Purdue still led 70-67 late when
	Michigan ran off four to go up 71-70 and under 3 minutes left.
	It was then that Purdue's outside gun Woody Austin hit a trey
	and a two-point pull-up on a fast break (his only five points
	of the day) to put Purdue ahead 75-71.  Steve Scheffler then
	made one FT (the Boilers also missed several front ends of bonuses
	down the stretch) and with the score 76-71, Berning fouled on
	the rebound and Michigan cashed in.  Jimmy Oliver then hit just
	one FT to make it 77-73 with 1:25 to go.  Terry Mills hit a ten-
	footer to close the deficit to 77-75, and Purdue failed to score on
	it's next possesion.  Rumeal Robinson hit a driving, high-banker
	with :30 left to tie the game.  Purdue decided to go it without
	a timeout, and Jimmy Oliver delivered with a 16-foot J with
	2 seconds left.  The excitement wasn't over though, as Mike
	Griffin's inbound pass after two TO's was deflected by Chuckie
	White.  The ball slowly floated out-of-bounds as the clock
	ran off to 0:00.  But the horn hadn't sounded (sound unfamiliar?),
	and the Wolverines were allowed one more toss-in.  Sean Higgins
	got the ball to Robinson, who caught the ball, turned, and launched
	an errant three-point attempt all before the horn finally did sound.
	Steve Scheffler led Purdue with 26 in his Mackey Arena finale.
	Tony Jones added 13.  No other Wolverine hit double figures.
	Next for Purdue:  Sunday at #11 Michigan State.  Next for Michigan:
	Thursday vs. #47 Wisconsin.
 
	#14  ILLINOIS 118, #83 IOWA 85 (at Champaign):  In the second-largest
	blowout of the Big Ten season (the other was IU's 118-71 win over
	Iowa), Illinois' four seniors went out in style and "won one for
	Deon and Jimmy".  This one, like the game at Indiana, was over early,
	as after Illinois led 16-8, the score became 37-12 after a 21-4 run.
	Iowa managed to break even the rest of the half, as Illinois took
	a 48-23 lead into the tunnel.  Iowa outscored the Illini 12-7 over
	the first few minutes of the second half (55-35) before the Illini
	blew the game wide open again.  At one point, Illinois was up 102-67
	after a 47-32 gallop.  Iowa scored 18 points in the last few minutes
	to close the final gap to 33.  Six Illini reached double figures,
	led by Kendall Gill's 25 and Andy Kaufmann's 21.  Four Hawkeyes
	reached double figures.  Les Jepsen had 15 before fouling out.
	Iowa was whistled 34 times and Illinois 27!  79 FTs were attempted
	as Iowa could only make 24 of 40.  Illinois was 31-39, practically
	matching their output of the Purdue game a couple of weeks ago.
	There were 86 rebounds in this wild, up-and-down-the-floor affair.
	Next for Illinois:  Sunday at #17 Indiana.  Next for Iowa:  Saturday
	at #8 Michigan.
 
	#77 Penn State 83, #170 George Washington 72 (at Philadelphia):
	The Nittany Lions advanced to the semifinals of the Atlantic-10
	postseason tournament.  Next:  Tonight vs. #97 Massachusetts.
	Also:  #53 Temple vs. #91 Rutgers.
 
Tonight:
 
	#77 Penn State vs. #97 Massachusetts  [6:00 pm CST]
 
Thursday:
 
	#23  OHIO STATE at #17 INDIANA  [7:00 pm CST]
	#47  WISCONSIN at #8 MICHIGAN  [7:00 pm CST]
	#11  MICHIGAN STATE at #102 NORTHWESTERN  [7:00 pm CST]
 
Saturday:
 
	#9   MINNESOTA at #23 OHIO STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#83  IOWA at #8 MICHIGAN  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	
Sunday (end of regular season):
 
	#6   PURDUE at #11 MICHIGAN STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom!!, 11:00 am CST)
	#14  ILLINOIS at #17 INDIANA  (ABC!!, 1:00 pm CST)
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Michigan State 13-3	 .813	24-5	.828
	 	Purdue	       13-4	 .765	21-6	.778
		Minnesota      11-6	 .647	20-7	.741
		Michigan       10-6	 .625	20-7	.741
		Illinois       10-7	 .588  	20-7	.741  
		Ohio State	9-7	 .563	15-11	.577
	 	Indiana		7-9	 .438	17-9	.654
	 	Wisconsin	4-13	 .235	14-16	.467
		Iowa		4-13	 .235	12-15	.444
	 	Northwestern	2-15	 .118	 9-18	.333
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State     13-5	 .722  	21-7	.750
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Big Ten Television
Message-ID: <1990Mar5.202534.24067@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 5 Mar 90 20:25:34 GMT
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Posted: Mon Mar  5 12:25:34 1990
 
 
	Even though the Purdue at Michigan State game will decide whether
	MSU wins the league outright or shares it with Purdue (of 
	consequence for the league's top seeding in the tournament),
	ABC will be showing Illinois, the 5th place team, at Indiana,
	the 7th place team, instead on national television this Sunday.
	Apparently, Raycom did not want to give up the rights to the
	Big Ten Network telecast of Purdue-MSU.  Oh well...
 
	This is just one arguement as to why it's ludicrous for TV
	schedules to be set in October or November.  Why not leave
	the last two weekends as "to be determined as the race
	warrants"?  Naaa....
 
	Iowa at Michigan has been shoved up to Saturday now...
 
	Illinois officials are upset with this, having wanted to be
	done on Saturday and home watching the tournament selection
	show on CBS Sunday instead of riding back from Bloomington
	on a bus...  On the other hand, since the game won't be over
	'till 3:00 pm CST, if they lose, it likely won't effect their
	seeding like a loss Saturday would.  But, the question now is,
	will IU already be in or out before this game is over???
 
	Gametimes Sunday:	11:00 am at MSU
				 1:00 pm at IU
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    A shame we won't see the all-important PU-MSU game on TV.  IU-UI, who
    cares?
    
    Charles

    
    Bobby Knight cares. And They never pass up a chance to put old Bobby
    on the tube....
    
    while I'm on the subject of coaches on TV did anyone see Digger Phelphs
    single-handly beat Missilou this weekend? Geez the guy had more air
    time than the game.....
    
    mike

    Btw, I can't believe Digger gets in an Nike ad.  Yeah, Byron Scott, Pat
    Riley.....but Digger Phelps?  What has he done for basketball to
    warrant this?  Notre Dame, get a real coach, and with your talent you
    may start thinking about getting your own basketball contract!
    
    Not that this has anything to do with Big Ten hoops, but since Mike
    mentioned Phelps....
    
    Charles

    Or was that Reebok I can't remember :)

>Because no one is sitting there typing repeatedly the propoganda about how
>those coaches are so lilly-white, so superior, so deservedly self-righteous.
>No one is telling me that Valvano handled Washburn just right and
>it should be a model for the future, or Carnesecca, or Massimino.

Dan,

The only time I enter in anything about Knight is after you or the Cyst
gets up on their soapbox and proclaims to the world what an evil and horrible
person Knight is.  Haven't you noticed that when you keep your mouth shut
that there is no Knight talk in here whatsoever?????

The question that you've never answered is what makes you the expert in
judging Knight and his personal life????  Do you really have all the 
information needed to judge the man like you continuously do or do you think
John Feinstein made you an expert?

Cap
    

>    The question that you've never answered is what makes you the expert in
>judging Knight and his personal life????  Do you really have all the 
>information needed to judge the man like you continuously do or do you think
>John Feinstein made you an expert?
 
    	Sure, I bet Dan read "A Season on the Brink" (or at least glanced
    at the pictures in the center of the book)  8^)
    
    	I think Bob Knight's really cool, and he's not as bad as some
    people make him out to be.  He ate dinner once at a restaurant I
    was at and he came across as a well versed person who was really
    nice.  
    
    sean  
    

    If Michigan State beats Northwestern do they win the title, or did
    they lose to Purdue first time around and the title will come down
    to the last game.
    
    The Wizard

To Purdue fans, do you want Northwestern to beat MSU?
 
I am hoping for a big win by MSU.  I am hoping for an emotional letdown 
for MSU after they clinch the title.  I don't know if that will happen,
given the way that team has been playing this season.  But what I fear
is that if they manage to lose, they will have fire in their eyes when 
they come out to play Purdue at home since they will need a win to clinch.
 
So I say, for a few days, go Spartans!  Any Purdue fan has an objection?
 
Charles

    I understand how these things work, I just didn't know who won
    the first game.  Besides, how can you have a tie for first, don't
    they have a tie breaking system like who defeated 3rd place the
    largest number of times.
    
    The Wizard

    Charles,
    
    Personally, I'd want the title outright.  If I was a Purdue fan,
    I'd want NW to kick MSU's butts.  Then, with it all on the line,
    go down there and win your own title.  
    
    You know what they say ties are like?
    
    
    Spud

    Well, maybe if Iowa can beat Purdue at home, there is a little hope
    that MSU can be defeated at Northwestern?  Nah.......
    
    Charles

    Re:.381 The Wizard
    The league itself does not have a tiebreaker system as both teams will
    be recognized in the record book as co-champions.  However, silly NCAA
    will "determine" a champions for the league to make that team the auto-
    matic qualifier for the tournament.  This makes a difference possibly
    when seeding comes along, like a few years ago when Indiana and Purdue 
    were co-champions and Indiana was made a number-1 seed playing the first
    round at the Hoosier Dome (virtually at home) while Purdue was shipped
    out elsewhere (and later lost).  
    
    Charles

    That was of course the year IU cruised to the national championship.
    
    Charles

    
    I'm still waiting for T to take credit for Purdue's predicadiment
    with his KOD  ;^)
    
    mike
    
    ps. I agree Steve Smith is POY....
    

    I've gotta believe that IU at 17-9 is in with one more win.  Ohio State
    at 15-11 is out.
    
    FWIW,
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    Now with the top 5 Big Ten teams looking like locks to get into the
    NCAA tournament (MSU, Purdue, Minnesota, Michigan, Illinois), and with
    Indiana and Ohio State on the bubble, and really depending on their
    final games, esp. the head-to-head game at IU, the complications are as
    follows:
    
    	OSU is currently 9-7/15-11 and IU is now 7-9/17-9.  Unless OSU
    loses their last two and Indiana wins their last two (Possible, esp.
    with one head-to-head game in Bloomington), OSU will finish with a 
    better conference record and conference finish than IU, but they will 
    have a worse overall record whatever happens.  Both will have winning
    records anyway though, although IU may have a losing conference record.
    If the NCAA takes either one and snub the other, it is not going to
    go well for the team not taken.  So, will the NCAA just go ahead and 
    take both?  Or take none of the two to be "fair" and avoid taking 
    seven teams from one conference (although that happened for the Big 
    Ten a few years ago also I think)?
    
    If the NCAA takes only one, obviously the other team will get invited
    to the NIT.  If the NCAA takes none of IU and OSU, both will go to the
    NIT no doubt.  
    
    But, if the NCAA takes them both, all the other three Big Ten teams
    have a losing conference and overall records (Wisconsin, Iowa and
    Northwestern).  So, will the NIT take any of them?  Remember that
    Purdue finished strong last season but had an overall losing record by
    a game or two and still was snubbed by the NIT, despite finishing in
    the Top 20 in power rating.  When was the last time NO team from the
    Big Ten made the NIT?
    
    My guess is that the NCAA will not let that happen, and may very likely
    not invite OSU and IU.  I hope I am wrong.
    
    What d'y'all say?
    
    Charles

    
    OSU should get in. They've played a tough schedule, they've beaten
    up some quality teams that will make it. On the other hand who has 
    IU beaten other tham Michigan?
    
    Chris if you think the Starheels (tm) are in with 11 why not QSO with 
    11?
    
    mike

    Re:.389  ACC Chris
    If that is the case, then it will be extremely unfair since IU with one
    more win is just 8-10 in the conference, although 18-10 overall, while 
    OSU can conceivably win the last two and become 11-7 in the conference,
    and 17-11 overall.  This is esp. unfair considering that OSU beat
    quality teams not only in the Big Ten but also like Louisville, while
    all the the IU non-conference quality win if any are at home and they
    have no conference quality wins and loses at home even more than OSU
    does.  ????
    
    Not that the world has to be fair, but I really think OSU got the short
    end real bad.
    
    Charles

    If I remember Charles Mok's humorous beginning of season interview of
    Big10 coaches, every one of 'em save Bobby was in favor of having an 
    end-of-season tournament.  With that in mind and given the huge success
    of the ACC and Big East tournaments I'd say it's only a matter of time
    until the Big10 follows suit.
    
    Dean had an interesting commentary on the ACC Tourney recently. 
    Basically he admitted that the thing has outlived its usefulness,
    except for offering the opportunity for teams that have bad seasons to
    sneak into the NCAA party.  But he correctly pointed out that the fans
    love the thing, the players love it, and television loves it.  So, why
    kill it?  It doesn't really affect study time, so no harm done.
    
    re: Mike Childs
    
    Ohio State is 15-11 right now.  Carolina is 19-11.  That's FOUR (4)
    more wins, which is substantial.  If OSU wins their final 2 I'd invite 
    them.  1-1 I wouldn't.  If IU goes 0-2 I wouldn't, 1-1 I would.  
    This is based on the Objective ACC Chris modeling algorithm, the details 
    of which are far too complicated (and proprietary) to publish in here.
    
    ;^)
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    T, isn't the Kentucky win at the Hoosier Dome, and what is Kentucky
    this year, esp. at the beginning of the season?  That's "on the road"?
    Notre Dame and UTEP are not ranked and I meant defeating ranked teams 
    quality wins.  The UTEP win if I remember correctly was also at home
    for IU.  IU has not done as well as they have been, in fact, much 
    worse, this season. 
    
    But then, I have no question that IU deserves to be invited to the
    field of 64.  I am just questioning that if IU goes and OSU gets
    snubbed, where's the justice?
    
    And Chris, I did not do that "humorous beginning of season interview of
    Big10 coaches."  I just copied it here.  And you have a good memory.
    
    Charles

    
    Yeah but the four more wins Chris are against the anual Patsies that
    UNC plays. I do realize that they also had a tough schedule too and
    have beaten some quality teams. Which is is my argument for OSU. Didn't
    Kansas get in  with 13 losses 2 years ago? I think if they go 1 and 1
    they should be in.....
    
    mike

    Read in usenet news that Gene Keady has been chosen Big Ten Coach of
    the Year and Steve Scheffler has been chosen Big Ten Player of the
    Year.  I do not have confirmation of it, but it seems to be a bit early
    and surely Jud Heathcote and Steve Smith should have a more than legit
    claim at these honors.  But if this is true then I'm not really
    complaining :)
    
    Charles
    

    UTEP wasn't ranked as far as I know, although they usually have a purty
    stubborn squad, especially at home.  I wouldn't go bragging to
    everybody that "WE BEAT UTEP!!!" though.  IU should be capable of much
    better.  
    
    Notre Dame was playing without LePhonso Ellis and resembling a Division 
    II squad.  Beating them 1st semester is worth zilch.  The Kentucky win
    may be worth more than either, despite the media propaganda campaign
    that shows the poor Wildcats as barren as a 90 year old nun.  They've
    proven to be a quite competent team this year.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

>    As much as dozens of other teams playing in regional mini-tourneys.
>    You make it sound as if the stands are filled with IU fans, but
>    that's not the case.  Tens of thousands of fans are there from the
>    other three schools (all of which are nearby, and have multitudes
>    of alums and fans in Naptown), and even many Purdue fans are there
>    to look on despite not being invited... ;^)
 
    Of the four schools playing, am I correct in saying that Indiana was
    the closest?  And would you argue that there are more KU fans, more UL
    fans, more ND fans, or even more PU fans present at the Hoosier Dome
    than IU fans?  After all, it is not a hostile crowd as on the road
    although it is not a 100% home crowd. 
    
>    Michigan was ranked.  And again, the season's not over yet and they'll
>    be playing two ranked teams at home.  We'll see.  Also, as I remember
>    UTEP and Notre Dame were ranked early this year too, weren't they?
 
    Yes ND must be ranked when they lost to IU, but I am very uncertain
    about the UTEP claim.  I don't think they were ranked then (or ever?).
       
>    >The UTEP win if I remember correclty was also at home for IU.
>    
>    IU's home court is in Bloomington, Indiana, not El Paso, Texas.
 
    Then I must have thought that that game was part of the IU tourney at
    Bloomington.  If you are right then IU must have been playing in a
    tourney in Texas?
    
    Charles

    BTW T are youi sure IU would be playing 2 ranked teams at home this
    week?  I thought OSU deserves to be ranked but they aren't.... :)
    
    Charles

    T, read somewhere in the notesfile that UTEP is 4th in mighty WAC.  I
    must agree now that the IU win was a big one, very big.
    
    :)
    Charles

    Also read in usenet notesfile that Jimmy Jackson is Big Ten Freshman
    of the Year.  Does anyone know how these COTY, POTY and FOTY honors are
    voted (by whom)?
    
    Charles

>Schneid, your argument is mendacious

'Tenacious' was the word you were looking for, not 'mendacious.'  
You're welcome.           

    >Yesterday you were talking about how his scholarship was reinstated in the
    >fall

I never said any such thing, but of course, when you plant the words in my mouth
it makes it easier to accuse me of lying, doesn't it?  My point was that the
scholarship was reinstated.  You can quibble about the exact second of
the reinstatement all you want, it doesn't mean a thing to the big picture of
what was the message sent to Edwards: you play basketball, give me some
lip service about "returning the library books on time" {wink, wink} and I'll
make everything alright.

    >You also conveniently ignore the indisputable fack that Bob's handling
    >of Edwards, his only star, was unparalleled in its strictness

Players have been suspended from their teams (in-season, that is...if
I recall Bob suspended Edwards as well, but that was before the season
started - he was reinstated to the team in time, right?), players have
been suspended for a season, players have been kicked out of school.
There have been more strict handlings of players.  You are wrong.  

    >Btw, it's funny to see you thumping drug test reports; aren't they
    >in clear violation of the United States Constitution?  What right
    >does a sports monopoly have to abridge constitutional rights to
    >ensure its own success.  It's not like Edwards is a commercial jet
    >pilot.  

It's a red herring, but I'll respond.  In essence, I totally agree with you.
You can have a beer in the hotel bar, but not a line in your hotel room.
And alcohol kills roughly 4 times the number of people per year that
drugs do.

But that's an aside.  If you know your salary and career are at stake, it's
not exactly bending over backwards to avoid the drug for the playing 
season.  It's real stupid, or it's a sign of addiction that a player won't 
avoid it.  Too much was at risk.

    >You and I are a good study in
    >this: I've avoided swallowing their propaganda; you clearly are
    >an abject victim of it.

What horseshit.  You churn out propoganda by the minute on any topic
that strikes you, including your idol, Bobby Knight.  Your assumptions 
concerning the effects that this particular propoganda (drugs and sports)
has on me are clearly incorrect.

Dan

>The only time I enter in anything about Knight is after you or the Cyst
>gets up on their soapbox and proclaims to the world what an evil and horrible
>person Knight is.

Then what are you doing here?  I have implied that he has made a mistake with
regards to Edwards, which is not equal to "evil and horrible".  I have intimated
that the coach of Indiana is not the pure-as-the-driven-snow creature
that is portrayed, and you respond in a way which tells me that you don't
think I'm entitled to that opinion, nor to voice it.

> Haven't you noticed that when you keep your mouth shut
>that there is no Knight talk in here whatsoever?????

No, but I've noticed the opposite.  

>The question that you've never answered is what makes you the expert in
>judging Knight and his personal life????

With regards to this issue, I haven't commented on his personal life,
so the "question that I've never answered" is most inappropriate.  The
real question that begs asking is "Why do these intense Bobby Knight
fans become so defensive when people offer differing opinions than they
have on him?"

> Do you really have all the 
>information needed to judge the man like you continuously do or do you think
>John Feinstein made you an expert?

As I haven't claimed any expertise on the matter, the question is again
inappropriate.  Knight leads a life more in the public eye than not just
most people, but even most coaches.  I form an opinion from that, both
good and bad on different issues.  I am entitled to have an opinion that
differs from your own.

Dan

    Re:  Dan
    
    After two years of avoiding direct questions, skirting issues, using
    only parts of a story, etc, etc, why did I have the feeling that
    you might actually answer my questions?
    
    Go figure??
    
    Dan, You are truly the most objective person in this notesfile,
    You'd have to be because you've never been wrong.  Of course what's
    that saying, 'The true measure of someone is when they can admit
    they were wrong.'
    
    Read Only,
    
    Cap

	You know I remember watching a movie on HBO a couple of years ago
where these two guys fought each other throughout time.  I bring this up
because Dan and MrT are kind of like those two.  The note may change
but the arguement remains the same.  8^)

				/Don

    >Face it, Schneidster.  You hate Bob's guts.  It's a_irrational thing
    >on your part, so your hypocrisy in this matter isn't a function
    >of your being a *total* hypocrite; just of you being totally
    >hypocritical as far as Bob and ethics in college sports go.

You can't be more wrong in any phase of this paragraph.  I don't hate 
Bob's guts.  I do dislike sanctimony.  I harbor no hypocrisy on this issue.
I have made no presumptions about Bob with regards to this issue
relative to the ethics in college sports.

I wouldn't expect a sycomphant such as yourself to do anything but
make your personal attacks against me rather than to honestly
examine Bob's mistakes with regards to his handling of Edwards.  
Your remarks are so predictable at this point that they have
been rendered uninteresting.

Dan

    Cap,
    
    You can replace 'Dan' with "MrT' in your note, and it fits perfectly
    except that you agree with MrT, and not with Dan...
    
    JD                               
    

    JD,
    
    I don't agree with T on his feelings about Knight.  You know that I've
    entered in valid criticisms over Knight's actions on several occasions.
    In fact I have a mail message from you detailing just that.  If
    you want I'll point you to the note in which I do attack some of
    Knight's actions.  I'm just trying to shed a little truth on the
    matter instead of the regular bull%$&^ that is constantly typed
    in here.  I know the man personally, my family(grandparents) have
    lived on Knight's street for 14 years, I saw Knight briefly at my
    grandfather's funereal(last July).  I don't know him real well but have had
    the opportunity to see many of IU's practices, games and have been
    able to sit and discuss Baseball, basketball, etc on several occasions.
    Anyway I'm not going to change Dan's mind, no one ever has because
    he's always right, I have never seen him admit that he made a mistake
    or maybe he misjudged a situation.  I've always been able to do
    that.
    
    Anyway you're just pissed at me because you think I'm trying to
    ruin you in DNR, nothing could be further from the truth.
    
    I'm outta here,
    
    Cap
    

    >After two years of avoiding direct questions, skirting issues, using
    >only parts of a story, etc, etc, why did I have the feeling that
    >you might actually answer my questions?

Cap, you must admit your questions were inappropriate.  If you truly think
that the readers here really care about how I came about what imformation
I know about Knight, if you really think it is germaine to the topic of how
he and/or IU sent the wrong message to Jay Edwards which has helped
lead him to his current problems, if you really think that those readers
who really care have forgotten the previous time that I did answer such
an inquiry, then why not answer the question in an honest fashion.  As
I have never claimed to be an expert on Bobby Knight, there's no way I
can answer your question which states I am.

Dan

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Re: Coach and Player of the Year (Big 10)
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In article <38104@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> torchins@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (alberto torchinsky) writes:
>
> Well, it's now official: Keady is the Coach of the Year,
>and Scheffler the Player of the year. I guess the only
>suspense is for Rookie of the Year.
> Wouldn't be ironic, though, if Michigan State takes it all?
>Then these choices will look pretty silly...
 
 
	This was voted by the league's coaches!  They selected Keady
	and Scheffler for the awards you mentioned, and they selected
	Ohio State's Jim Jackson as the Frosh of the Year.  I don't 
	have the complete rundown yet, but the first team is
 
		Steve Scheffler		C	Purdue
		Steve Smith		G	MSU
		Kendall Gill		G	Illinois
		Willie Burton		F	Minnesota
		Rumeal Robinson		G	Michigan
 
	I do know that Steve Bardo and Marcus Liberty of Illinois were on
	the third team.  I suspect playes such as Terry Mills, Tony Jones,
	etc. were on the second team.
 
	Jim Jackson has done more than just score for OSU this season,
	which is probably why he got the nod over Calbert Cheaney of IU.
 
	Why would the choices look silly if MSU takes it all?  Why?  I
	don't see why any of you think MSU is that much of a surprise
	at the top.  They have some great players.  I don't recall a
	single preseason poll having them lower than 6th in the conference.
	Purdue was no higher than 6th anywhere!  And Steve Scheffler has
	done it from day one of the conference race.  Smith had some
	early injury problems and really didn't heat up until the final
	10 games because of it.  If you are talking about NBA potential,
	there's no arguement.  It's Smith.  But, Scheffler is going to
	break a record (FG%) by more than 10 percentage points which
	has stood for more than 20 years.  And you say, "But he takes
	such short shots!"  Right!  But why has no other Big Ten center
	in history ever shot over 62% for a season, let alone 73%???
 
	Gee, even the local sports guy on TV, who doesn't like Keady,
	used the phrase, "it was well-deserved", last night when
	reporting this story...
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    >I am NOT wrong: Forget that other players have been
    >suspended or when they were suspended and other similarly half-
    >relevant bilge and name one, ONE, coach who EVER kicked his only
    >star off the team despite being eligible, then reinstated him to
    >the team (sans scholarship on his own dime) after he'd met all the
    >conditions of the suspension.

Wait! Wait!  Is it also the case that when I name the coach who did all those
things exactly the way that Knight mishandled the Edwards situation, if I find
exactly that case, does that particular coach also have to wear an ill-fitting
red sweater, or are you going to call it a lie and claim you're not wrong still???

Let's face it, you were wrong with your absurd statement.  Sterner punishments
have been handed out than the temporary lifting of a scholarship.  Your 
moaning that Edwards was a blue chipper is totally irrelevant and does 
Jay no good now that he's been suspended.

If you spent some of your hot air with concern for the kid rather than covering
your ass based on all the wild sanctimony you attribute to Knight, then your
hypocrisy on this issue wouldn't be as evident as it is.  But NO, nary a word
of concern for the chewed up and spit out Edwards.  All you are concerned
with is protecting this image of Knight that you have built in your fantasies.

Well, as even Cap plainly admitted that he doesn't concur with your fantasies,
I doubt there's anyone in here left who is buying your crap.  I am not
commited to making this argument to change your fantasies.  I'll let them
fester inside of your head damaging whatever shreds of objectivity you may
have once had in there concerning you idol.

And so, the case is closed.  Except that is, for Jay Edwards who's
suspension is just beginning.  Perhaps next fall, he can resume his
career.  Or perhaps he'll have to find a new less lucrative one.
A sad waste of blue chip talent perpetrated by both player and coach,
and fully endorsed by MrT, scorned sycophant, deluxe.

Dan

Still quibling over the exact timing of the reinstation of Edwards' scholarship?
Can't you get it through your head that it doesn't make a difference?  The
white wash job that your frauding your way through doesn't make the NBA
reinstate Edwards, doesn't fix up the old drug test he failed,  can't let him
revisit his decision to leave Bob and IU and education in the past for a 
few bucks.

So while you reign as the king of conducting meta-arguments concerning
your opinions of other noters, and your opinions of their opinions of sports,
and absolutely trivializing any issue which causes you discomfort (such
as this one, where a kid's life is all screwed up, and all you're concerned about
is protecting Knight's reputation), you can continue to misrepresent what I
have said all you want.  

It won't change the facts.  Over a year ago I started pointing out the
continuous flow of trouble that Edwards was getting himself into, bad
grades, drugs, etc.

And you said the problem was overdue library books.  

And I pointed out that it might not be a good decision to let Edwards play 
and it's probably influenced by his stature as the star of the basketball team.  

And you whined that Bob took away his scholarship for a little while.

And then he unwisely went hardship, leaving his education behind, leaving
his basketball talent largely undeveloped.  And then he couldn't get off
the NBA bench.  And then he's suspended for failing a drug test.

And all you can do is whine about the exact second the scholarship was
reinstated.  And then point the finger at me as if this whole mess were
my fault.

Face it:  Knight chewed Edwards up, and then he spit Edwards out when
he outlived his usefulness.  And Edwards is left unprepared in so many
ways.  Uneducated, perhaps addicted or just plain stupid, and undeveloped,
Jay is paying for his bad decisions. 

Dan

    	Sorry Dan, but I have MrT ahead on my scorecard.  He has scored
    quite a few "style" points.  But as history has taught us MrT always
    leaves himself wide open for a KO punch.
    
    				/Don

    	Had a dream that MrT and Dan meet in Central Park.  It was to
    be the meeting to end all the bickering and they were going to duel
    to the death.  As they shoke hands before the dual the matter and
    anti-matter cause an explosion of enourmous proportions with the
    result being a long winded politician.  Hmm maybe it was a nightmare.
    
    The Wizard

    Forget Jay Edwards.

    Keady commented in a Lafayette, Indiana, paper that he was honored for
    being voted Big Ten COTY by his colleagues, but he voted for Jud
    Heathcote.  He wanted to state publicly that the voting should not be
    done before the end of the season, and said that "who knows if it may
    be unfair to Steve Smith."  Took something to say that since his own
    player Steve Scheffler was voted POTY.
    
    Charles

    Is it halftime or did someone just call a TO?  :*)
    
    
    Spud

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From: gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Re: Coach and Player of the Year (Big 10)
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Here's how the voting went:
 
	Player of the Year
Scheffler, Purdue	 6
Smith, MSU		 2
Robinson, Michigan	 1
Manns, MSU		 1
 
	Coach of the Year
Keady, Purdue		 5
Heathcote, MSU		 3
Haskins, Minnesota	 2
 
	Newcomer of the Year
Jackson, OSU		 8
Cheaney, Indiana	 2
 
	First Team
Scheffler, Purdue	29
Robinson, Michigan	27
Smith, MSU		27
Burton, Minnesota	27
Gill, Illinois		24
 
	Second Team
Mills, Michigan		22
Jones, Purdue		19
Vaught, Michigan	18
Anderson, Indiana	16
Manns, MSU		15
 
	Third Team
Jones, Wisconsin	13
Jepsen, Iowa		13
Jackson, OSU		12
Liberty, Illinois	 9
Newbern, Minnesota	 8
Bardo, Illinois		 8
 
	Honorable Mention (Alphabetical)
 
Austin, Purdue
Berning, Purdue
Carter, OSU
Cheaney, Indiana
Coffey, Minnesota
Lynch, Minnesota
Walters, Northwestern
 
Carl Gritter	gritter@cs.purdue.edu

Also, Michigan State trounced Northwestern to clinch at least a 
tie.  Sunday's game against Purdue at MSU will still be big, though.
Purdue must win by 12 or more to be the NCAA entry, although it 
really doesn't matter as long as Purdue wins.

I think it's down to Ohio State OR Indiana, but not both, for the
tournament.

Indiana is in. 

    
    T, did you see the game? Could you give a summary? All I know is that
    Anderson got hurt and IU outscored OSU from the stripe 30-3! Did OSU
    really hack them that bad or was it preferential treatment?
    
                                                  HOOT
    

    OSU's chances look shaky at best now with the loss.  If one of OSU and
    IU will go, with the result of last night's game, IU would.  Both
    obviously both deserve to go.
    
    As for whether or not the Chicago market has anything to do with
    showing Illinois-Indiana rather than Purdue-MSU, I think it is more of
    a matter of Raycom unwilling to yield to ABC for the rights of the
    game, more than anything about the Chicago marker.  Purdue and MSU are
    not exactly no-names in the Chicago area and Chicago is a large enough
    Big Ten market to possess enough interest for several area Big Ten
    teams (Purdue and Wisconsin should be the closest Big Ten schools to
    Chicago besides Illinois and Northwestern, so I would say that other
    than Illinois Purdue should have probably the second best local area
    Big Ten college hoop attraction for Chicago.  Of course, there's also
    DePaul which is not in the Big Ten.)
    
    Charles
    

	Ohio State, at best 16-12, at worst 15-13.  How can anyone
	say that any team with this kind of record DESERVES to go to
	the NCAA tournament is beyond me.  They don't deserve it,
	because they haven't played well enough.

    OSU played terribly before the Big Ten season began, that's no secret. 
    But the NCAA tournament is now, not in December, so should they be
    penalized for a lousy warmup?  They also beat Louisville, a top 20 team
    on national TV in a non-conference game during the conference period.
    At this point OSU has a one-game winning record in the Big Ten and is 
    placed 6th in one of the two or three toughest league in the nation.  
    The worst that they can finish if they lose on Saturday is an even 
    record in the Big Ten. Indiana had a great pre-conference but they 
    currenly have a one-game losing record so even if they beat Illinois 
    at home Sunday they will also have only an even record at best.  But 
    with their record it seems like they will be in even if they lose 
    Sunday.  
    
    If numerical records are all there is, why don't they just pick the 64
    with the best winning percentage and leave it at that?  Why a selection
    committee?
    
    Charles

    
    Speaking of Louisville...
    
    Now there is a terribly over-rated team. How in the world do they stay
    in the top 20? It seems to me that every very good team they played
    beat them. Can anyone name a top team that Louisville beat? 
    
    If OSU doesn't make the NCAA, I really won't mind. They would be a low
    seed that is capable of knocking off anyone but would probably meet an
    early exit. Otherwise the young Buckeyes will get a top seed in the
    NIT, probably win it, and get experience in a tournament atmosphere.
    That can only help them over the next couple of years when they will
    undoubtably be a powerhouse.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    If OSU beats the Gophs tomorrow, I'd put them in the NCAA's.  They'd
    have a winning record in the best conference in the country.  That
    says something.  Even if Indiana wins their last game, I'm not so
    sure I'd take them.  If they lose, definately not.
    
    
    Spud

    > If OSU beats the Gophs tomorrow, I'd put them in the NCAA's.  They'd
    > have a winning record in the best conference in the country.  That
    > says something.
    
    True, the BIG-8 is the best conference in the country, but
    OSU will probably play Missouri tomorrow--unless Colorado can
    pull the upset.
    
    Hope this helps  8^D
    
    Cowboy
    

    
    According to another note lowly CU is currently crushing MU, by 12 in
    the 2nd half. CU has one (1) good player, VanDiver at center.

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN REPORT (3-9-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: MSU clinches tie, IU wins big one...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Mar9.174248.19968@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 9 Mar 90 17:42:48 GMT
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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Last Night:
 
	#16  INDIANA 77, #22 OHIO STATE 66 (at Bloomington):  Ohio State and
	Indiana had a donnybrook for 33 minutes, then the Hoosiers pulled
	away for a big victory.  The sour note for IU was the loss of star
	forward Eric Anderson, who severely sprained one of his ankles late
	in the first half.  He is very questionable for Illinois Sunday.  I
	apologize for the lack of detail to provide you.  Ohio State led 29-25
	at halftime, a defensive struggle.  The first 13 minutes of the
	second half saw the game close, until Ohio State led 53-52 with
	just over 7 minutes to go.  The Hoosiers then went on a seven-point 
	run as the OSU offense began to sputter (poor shot selection).  With 
	IU up 59-53, Perry Carter scored on a putback and was fouled.  He 
	missed the FT, but Jim Jackson rebounded.  However, Calbert Cheaney 
	came up with a block in perhaps the biggest turning point of the game.		Instead of OSU cutting the lead to 2, IU ran off four more to lead 
	63-55, and by this time the crowd was really raising hell.  The lead 
	ballooned to 69-59 when Jackson hit a trey.  But that's as close as 
	the Buckeyes could get (69-62), as the Hoosiers did a good job at the 
	stripe.  There was quite a large discrepency in FTs attempted (34 to 7,
	I believe) in favor of IU, but many of those came towards the end.
	Calbert Cheaney hit for 22 points.  IU may have locked up a tournament
	berth, while OSU's chances were severely damaged.  Next for IU:  
	Sunday vs. #10 Illinois.  Next for OSU:  Saturday vs. #8 Minnesota.
 
	#7   MICHIGAN 94, #46 WISCONSIN 64 (at Ann Arbor):  The Wolverines
	blew the Badgers out of Crisler Arena, helping cement a share of 
	third place in the conference race.  This was the season-ender for
	the Badgers, who were a disappointment.  One wonders what Steve
	Yoder's future holds.  The Wolverines dominated the first half,
	building a 44-31 lead.  The second half saw the Wolverines use
	a 16-2 run to really put the game away.  Terry Mills had another
	good game, scoring 18 and pulling down 10 boards.  Loy Vaught
	added 16 and Rumeal Robinson 15..  The Wolverines shot a hefty
	37-61 from the field (61%).  The Badgers were just 22-61 (36%).
	Michigan also wiped out Wisconsin on the boards, 39-24.  All in
	all, a rout, and not a happy way for Danny Jones' career to end.
	He is Wisconsin's all-time leading scorer.  He finished with 17.
	Next for Michigan:  Saturday vs. #82 Iowa.  Wisconsin is finished.
 
	#6   MICHIGAN STATE 84, #109 NORTHWESTERN 68 (at Evanston):  Who said
	Northwestern could make a game of this? ... The Spartans scored the
	game's first four points, then led 9-4, and then proceded to blow the
	Cats out.  Despite this being the final college game for NU stalwarts
	such as Walker Lambiotte and Brian Schwabe, the Cats flat out got 
	outclassed by the "Sprinting Spartans".  MSU's running game was just
	too much for the slower Wildcats.  Some of State's fast break hoops
	were sensational.  The Spartans led 38-18 just before the break,
	and 39-21 at the half.  The second half was a high scoring affair
	on both sides (47-45, NU).  Rex Walters, who was scoreless in the
	first half for NU, had 18 in the second half, but was just 6-19
	from the floor.  Lambiotte managed 13 on 5-17 shooting, and Schwabe
	had just 5 points.  Steve Smith (who else) led MSU with 23, including
	some great dunks and 5-7 trifectas.  The man can do it all.  MSU
	had 56 rebounds to NU's 37 (Mike Peplowski had 12 to go along with
	11 points).  NU shot just 27-76 (36%) while MSU was 33-64 (52%).
	The Spartans can do no worse now than finish in a tie with Purdue.
	They have won 9 straight ballgames!  Next for MSU:  Sunday vs. 
	#9 Purdue.  NU is finished.
 
Saturday:
 
	#8   MINNESOTA at #22 OHIO STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom, noon CST)
	#82  IOWA at #7 MICHIGAN  (Big Ten/Raycom, 2:00 pm CST)
	
Sunday (end of regular season):
 
	#9   PURDUE at #6  MICHIGAN STATE  (Big Ten/Raycom, 11:00 am CST)
	#10  ILLINOIS at #16 INDIANA  (ABC, 1:00 pm CST)
 
	*** The Tournament Selection Show on CBS:  5:30 pm, CST ***
 
 
Standings:
				Conf	Pct	 All	Pct
 
	 	Michigan State 14-3	 .824	25-5	.833
	 	Purdue	       13-4	 .765	21-6	.778
		Michigan       11-6	 .647	21-7	.750
		Minnesota      11-6	 .647	20-7	.741
		Illinois       10-7	 .588  	20-7	.741  
		Ohio State	9-8	 .529	15-12	.556
	 	Indiana		8-9	 .471	18-9	.667
		Iowa		4-13	 .235	12-15	.444
	 	Wisconsin	4-14	 .222	14-17	.452	(season over)
	 	Northwestern	2-16	 .111	 9-19	.321	(season over)
		--------------------------------------------
(Atlantic 10)	Penn State     13-5	 .722  	21-8	.724
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			Conf		All	Game Behind
 
Michigan State		15-3		26-5		 -
Purdue	       		13-5		21-7		 2
Michigan       		12-6		22-7		 3
Minnesota      		11-7		20-8		 4
Illinois       		11-7		21-7		 4
Ohio State     		10-8		16-12		 5
Indiana			 8-10		18-10		 7
Iowa			 4-14		12-16		11
Wisconsin		 4-14		14-17	        11
Northwestern		 2-16		 9-19	        13	

    MSU's first one after Magic!
    
    What a finish at Lansing yesterday.  Purdue blew another close one that
    they could/should have won.  Of their 7 losses, the ones against MSU
    (twice), Long Beach State, Minnesota and Iowa are all lost (or should
    have been won) in the final seconds.  Only the losses against Arizona
    and Illinois were sound losses.  Not a good sign as we look into
    tournament time.  
    
    But go Boilers anyway!
    
    Charles

    
    I've been quiet through this, but I've reading and keeping up on this
    note.  All I can say is:
    
    	"Its YOUR fault, T."
    
    MrT put the curse on the Boilers around mid-season, and from that point
    on MS started creeping up and passed them!!
    
    We'll remember that, T......heh heh heh heh heh heh.....
    
    Dave                  

    re: about 50 back:
    
    As far as I'm concerned, the only truly meaningful regular season
    in college basketball today belongs to the Ivy League.  Regardless
    of whether a league such as the Big Ten has a tournament or not,
    we already know that most of its teams are going to a post-season
    tournament anyway.  All they're playing for throughout the season
    is the seeding.  In the Ivy League, the regular season means everything
    because only the regular season champion is going to the NCAA
    tournament and noone else is going anywhere, no matter how good
    they are.
    
    Post-season league tournaments offer mediocre teams a second chance
    at redemption and mean more money for the schools.  Not just in
    TV and ticket revenue either, but by virtue of the fact that in
    leagues like the ACC and Big East, you have to be a big contributor
    just to have a shot at getting a ticket to the tournament.
    
    A team such as Temple in the Atlantic 10 tournament has nothing
    to gain and everything to lose, since they would have gone to the
    NCAA tournament just by counting the regular season.  Had they lost,
    someone such as Penn State, Rutgers or UMass (all of whom made the
    NIT) would have gone but would have probably been less deserving.
    Much as I love UMass, we certainly didn't prove ourselves worthy
    of a tournament bid by virtue of our play during the regular season
    and we probably shouldn't have gotten a second chance with the league's
    post season tournament (though it was fun to watch, would have been
    a great Cinderella story and I'm thrilled to see us in the NIT,
    which we probably wouldn't have been in had there not been a postseason
    tournament).
    
    I still say the NCAA tournament field should be expanded to 256
    teams.
    
    John

    Well golleeee, leave it to an ACC fan to have to report on news from
    Big10 country.  Perhaps you midwesterners thought us southerners were
    totally in the dark about what goes on in your admittedly rugged
    conference.  Not So!
    
    It would seem after the Hucksters (tm) got beaten by Illinois the other
    day Bobby Knight decided to show some characteristic class.  He grabbed the 
    microphone and told the crowd "He was proud of his seniors and proud 
    of the fact that they'd never been under NCAA investigation."  Oh my!  
    
    Apparently the Illini faithful (they let some in to an IU home game?) 
    started chanting "Cheap shot! Cheap shot!", which of course it was, 
    to wich Fight (tm) replied "If you don't like it you can got back to 
    Illinois.", something they were probably gonna do anyway.
    
    It would appear MrT is right - he and Bobby don't always agree.  While
    T has been defending Illinois like a father protecting the prodigal
    son, Knight is chastising them for illegalities even before the
    official sanctions are handed down!  
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    
    Yeah, I heard that.  It appears as if Bob let the heat of the battle
    get to him again...
    
    glenn
    

    They should make a rule prohibiting coaches from speaking to the mike I
    guess.  
    
    BTW, sounds like there are some controversies concerning the
    officiating of the PU-MSU game also.  Gene Keady said after the game
    that he was proud of his guys' effort and as far as he is concerned
    they won the game.  Tony Jones beleived he was fouled at the end of the
    game during those frantic seconds but that was not called and MSU went
    on to score on Purdue's TO.  To the Boilers' credit, two MSU players
    said things in a way that kind of conceded that the officiating was
    terrible and that Purdue does have a reason to think they were fouled,
    but of course their bottom line is that they won.  
    
    I think MSU deserves the title.  Just sorry to see Purdue's incredible
    effort go down without winning the conference.  
    
    But Keady and Heathcote are such good friends, Keady's temper was on
    the refs only, not on the Spartans.
    
    Charles

    
    From what I heard, Knight speaks to the crowd every year after their
    last home game. I also suggest you remove the "" from your "quotes" 
    of Knight. That is not what he said. You have the jist of it but there
    was more that I don't remember, since it was no big deal in my
    estimation, and what you put in quotations is not a quote from Knight.
    Maybe Cap can put in the truth?
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    T, Bobby Knight may or may not talk over the mike after the final
    homegame. BUT that doesnt put him in the position of judging the
    Illinois basketball program. People listen to Bob Knight, and he
    shouldnt be spoutin' off concerning something that the NCAA is 
    currently investigating. Also I thought the investigation centered
    around Deon Thomas and not Gill's truck.
    				JMO, Rich
    

    Hoot, the quotes were there because they were taken verbatim from the
    Atlanta Constitution.  Anyways you admit I got the jist of it, so big
    deal.  I would like to hear the entire text though, if somebody has it.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    
    I heard it on ESPN, but don't remember exactly what he said because as
    I said before I didn't see it as a big deal. He didn't accuse anyone of
    anything. He didn't say anything that wasn't the truth. The only thing
    that could be considered controversial in Knight-haters wildest
    imaginations would be his comments to the Ill. supporters that if they
    don't like it, go back to Illinois.
    
    You are trying to make this into some big deal and then say that I'm
    the one getting picky? Whatever.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

One of the biggest problems with America, T, is that we tend to
sit around until Doom is right on our doorstep.

This country put on an awesome display of pulling together during
WWII, but it took the Japs to sneak-attack us at Pearl Harbor.

We need more people to stand up for what's right, honest, and true.
If Bob is espousing those philosphies, then Amen Bob Knight....

With Liberty, and Justice For All,
Chainsaw

    Apologies, T, my favorite ex-running mate:
    
    In terms of bragging rights, pointing to flags, and so on; the Big
    Ten regular season is just as meaningful as the Ivy League season,
    and vice versa.
    
    In terms of post-season play however, I will still argue that the
    Ivy League regular season is more meaningful than the Big Ten's
    because only 1 Ivy League team gets to go - the winner.
    
    The Big Ten does *NOT* have the only meaningful regular season in
    NCAA hoops.
    
    John

    
    > He didn't accuse anyone of anything. 
    
    Not directly, but the implication was there without a doubt.
    
    > He didn't say anything that wasn't the truth. 
    
    Perhaps not.  But here we had MrT moaning about Illinois not having
    been caught yet and BobKnight implying that they were guilty!  Even you
    Hoot, as MrT's sidekick, must admit that's news!!
    
    > The only thing that could be considered controversial in Knight-haters 
    > wildest imaginations would be his comments to the Ill. supporters that 
    > if they don't like it, go back to Illinois.
    
    First, I am not a Knight-hater.  He brought back the Olympic Gold in
    fine fashion and for that I will always be grateful.  He also happens
    to be a great coach.  It's his off-court behavior and brutal bullying
    of his players that I object to.  In any case it is exactly the
    comments directed at the Illinois faithful that we're talking about,
    in addition to his reference to the Illini being under investigation.
    
    > You are trying to make this into some big deal and then say that I'm
    > the one getting picky? Whatever.
    
    I'm not trying to make this into a bigger deal than it is.  When
    Bob Knight, one of the kingpins of college coaching, implies that
    a hated rival has cheated, it's news.  You accusing me of improper use
    of quotations marks isn't quite of the same magnitude.
    
    
    - ACC Chris    

Where's Connie Chung when you need her????  ;^)



Monty

    She was on Murphy Brown last night, that's where.

One more thing on this BobKnight thing.  I'm not condemning Bob for saying
what he did.  I'm ambivalent as to whether a coach should be allowed to
say these things or not, using the arena microphone and all.  It's probably 
not a good idea from a PR standpoint but as a fan it's kind of refreshing.  
I also agree with MrT that Bob's implications are significant in the sense 
that he's recruiting against these guys and probably has some insights into 
their methods.  The fact that Bob would mention they're under investigation is
interesting for sure.

I'm bringing this up to bolster the argument that the ACC isn't the only
conference to have its difficulties.  MrT has been arguing that Illinois
*may* be innocent, which they still *may* be.  But based on Bob's comments
it doesn't appear he shares T's perspective.


- ACC Chris

    

	re. .447...

	As Hoot says, it wasn't a case of grabbing the mike to accuse
Illinois of anything.

	The tradition for the last home game at Indiana is that Knight
and the seniors talk to the crowd.  Knight talked for probably 10 minutes
about the season and the seniors.  The comment about investigations (sorry,
don't have the quote) was a single thought buried somewhere in the middle of 
the talk, and was made in reference to pride in the Indiana program, not in 
the context of an attack on other programs.  I was listening on the radio 
and didn't even make the connection with Illinois until the follow-on 
comments (although I suspect people at the game made the connection instantly).
Can't blame the Illinois faithful for being sensitive, though.

	In other, unrelated news, Eric Montross' high school team was 
eliminated from the state tournament over the weekend, so he's now free to
devote his time to eliminating Michigan and NC from his list of college 
choices.  Or eliminating Indiana and Michigan.  Or eliminating Indiana and
NC.  Put your money on door number 3.

tom

    ACC Cyst,
    
    Please give us proof that Bob brutally bullies his players, I'd
    say there are probably alot of coaches, HS, College and pro that
    yell and scream as much as Bobby Knight does at his players.  There
    is not one player on record that I know of that has said that playing
    for Bob Knight wasn't a rewarding experience.  In fact as these
    immature youngsters grow up, they realize the good contributions
    that Knight's standards brought to them.
    
    I want 100%, undeniable proof, no Feinstein heresay, no well he
    yells during games so he must treat his players badly.  I want quotes,
    or exact events.....
    
    Cap

>    I want 100%, undeniable proof, no Feinstein heresay, no well he
>    yells during games so he must treat his players badly.  I want quotes,
>    or exact events.....
    	
    Feinstein heresay.  Hah!  Good one Cap.  The guy followed the team
    around, was at practices, was in the locker room, etc, etc.  He was an
    EYEWITNESS.  And the guys got an excellent reputation (even though he
    *is* a Duke grad (;^))), unlike the dude who wrote Personal Fouls.  As
    to your wanting 100% undeniable proof, you can make all the demands you
    want, but this ain't no courtroom.  I can have my opinion (and I'm not
    alone on this one, believe me) with as much circumstantial evidence as
    I darn well please.
    
    Anywas I've seen Knight on the tube a zillion times, not to mention read 
    about his long serious of, er, disruptive behavior.  The book is totally
    believable in my opinion.
    
    All of this is not to say he doesn't have good qualities.  He does and
    I've said it often.  He's a great coach.  He's a caring person.  He's
    great for the game, for the most part.  His kids *must* put out in the
    classroom.
    
    As I've said before though, I wouldn't send my junior to play for him 
    cause I think he can be abusive and foul.  "Do the ends justify the
    means?" continues to be my question about this very complex man.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

Penn State made it clear where it stands on the issue of basketball: they
want the money.

At issue is who gets to play a home game Wednesday. The women's team has
qualified for their NCAAs. The men's program made it into the NITs. Both
games were scheduled for Wednesday. So who won: the men and their ESPN TV
contract. The men will host Marquette. The woman must play their
tournament game on the road (at Florida State).

TTom

    Cyst,
    
    Feinstein's book= Sensationalism, Exaggerations and Hype.  If you
    don't understand how these things would favor a beat sportswriter
    trying to get his first big break then send me a note and I'll help
    educate you.
    
    Do you believe everything the media tells you.
    
    Cap
    
    P.s.  If I spent a season with Dean Smith, I'm 100% certain I could
    come up with enough situations to make Dean look very bad, you could
    do it with any coach.

    Re:.468
    Not to defend Penn State or anything, if you think about it,
    realistically does the Penn State men's team have a better shot at
    winning the NIT, or the women's team has a better shot winning the
    NCAA?  I have to think the NIT.
    
    Of course, really, both teams are unlikely to win it all.  Nah, it's
    really for the money.
    
    Charles
    

Could someone in here give me a brief "scouting report" on Minn and
Mich St ?  I've seen just about every Big Ten team this year, but I
still don't know much about these 2.


Joe

Uh Oh, gettin into the Dean fray, but...

As much as I may dislike good ol' Dean, every one already knows all the
dirt on him, which ain't much. He used to smoke (remember it's called
Tobbaco Road) but has quit. He gets a speeding ticket now and then.
And that's about it.

His sins are just not in this arena.

Now, if we're talking about coaching abilty, style, systems, then we got
something to talk about there.

TTom

    No Ttom,
    
    What I'm saying is that if you spend enough time with an individual,
    that you could have enough questionable incidents that you could
    sensationalize those few incidents and make someone look bad.
    
    You ever have a bad day, bad moods, etc.?  What would happen if
    I happened to be around you when they occured and let's say I
    exaggerated the incident to make it more interesting.  Do you see
    the point?
    
    I'm sure Dean is no saint, He probably yells and swears at his players.
    I played organized sports from a youngster through college and I
    have yet to meet a coach who didn't explode and use a profanity
    now and then.
    
    Knight does it, but not to the negative degree that Feinstein
    portrayed.  He was out to make a buck and a rep by using Knight's
    image.  It worked, but it wasn't a truthful representation.
    
    Cap

    What a joke Cap.  You're as blind as a bat when it comes to Knight. 
    The guy has a history of disruptive behavior.  He's been arrested for
    assaulting a policeman.  He's thrown chairs across basketball courts. 
    He's assaulted fans.  He's pulled a team off the floor and forfeited a
    game cause he was mad at the refs.  He's often the portrait of a raving
    lunatic on the sidelines, yelling and screaming at players.
    
    Now a guy writes a book portraying this man as exactly what we'd
    expect, based on the above DOCUMENTED behaviors.  And you try and tell
    us "No, he's really not like that."
    
    Hah!  You're losing credibility fast, man.  Better hope MrT comes in to
    lay a load of crap on this (i.e. a 100+ liner full of obfuscation and
    drivel), cause you're sinking fast.
    
    The final nail in your coffin is trying to drag Dean into this.  Why
    bring him up anyways?  And as a matter of fact, no, Dean doesn't
    swear much, if at all.  He's a religious man (though privately so) and
    hard as it may be for you to believe doesn't use profanity to any
    extent.  (BTW - I personally think it's discusting for grown men, our
    youngsters role models for heaven's sake, to use the kind of foul
    profanity the majority of coaches today use.  I can read lips as well
    as anybody and see the "F***'in" this and "GDit" that's spewing out of
    these guys mouths.  There's no need for it and it's degrading, not to
    mention juvenile.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    > [How do you feel about John Thompson]?
    
    Can't stand him.  
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    Yeah right, Dean's a saint.....
    
    Let's just start calling him St. Dean of the Blessed Mediocrity.
    :-)                                       
    
    Chris you're so blind that all you'll notice is the small percentage
    of moments that Knight does lose his cool.  Does he yell at his
    players any more than John Chaney, John Thompson, Rollie Massimino,
    Coach K, Al Maguire, John Wooden, Gene Keady(should I go on?)??
    Probably not, but the media loves to focus on Knight because that's
    what alot of people want to focus in on when they watch TV.
    
    Because of your ignorance you've allowed yourself to judge a man
    that you know absolutely nothing about.  You seen a few moments
    in his life in which he's done something that's been a mistake and
    he's always admitted it as so, but you've allowed yourself to judge
    a man based on these mistakes.  Do you know what happens in his
    life the other 99% of the time that he's not on TV?
    
    Here are the facts:
    
    -Knight's student-atheletes go to class, finish their degrees and
     go on into successful business or basketball careers.
    
    -Knight donates huge amounts of his time to charity work across
     the state of Indiana and across this nation.
    
    -Knight is generous, he has donated over 1.6 million dollars to
     the library and school(the money from his yearly sneaker contract)
     and personally gave Landon Turner and his family $60,000 out of
     pocket after Landon's accident.
    
    -Knight's program is the cleanest in the nation.  
    
    -Knight is honest and speaks his mind.  He also is one of the most
     loyal friends you can have.  None of his former players(that played
     4 years for him, have bad things to say about him.)  In fact they
     all say they are better person for having played for Knight.
    
    -Knight is one of the top basketball minds of all time.  Michael
     Jordon called him the best coach he's ever played for and that
     includes Dean Smith.
    
    Here are the lies
    
    -Knight was not arrested for assaulting a policeman.  All eyewitnesses
     exonnerated Knight from any wrongdoing and Peurto Rico dropped
     charges.
    
    -Knight has never been arrested, convicted or accused of assaulting
     fans.
    
    -The televised interview with Connie Chung was one of the shadiest
     moves in recent times.  They took Knight's remarks totally out
     of context.
    
    -There are countless number of coaches that yell and scream at players,
     refs and fans.  Why aren't you attacking them?
    
    Is Knight's standards, morally, personally and scholastically as
    High as St. Dean.  I'd bet good money that they are.
    
    The question remains, Cyst, What gives you the personal right to
    judge another man, the way that you do Knight, a man you don't even
    know.  You don't do this with other coaches.
    
    Cap
    
    P.S.  BTW, It sure is pleasurable watching you get all riled up
    	  over anything negative about Dean.  

>    Because of your ignorance you've allowed yourself to judge a man
>    that you know absolutely nothing about.  You seen a few moments
>    in his life in which he's done something that's been a mistake and
>    he's always admitted it as so, but you've allowed yourself to judge
>    a man based on these mistakes.  Do you know what happens in his
>    life the other 99% of the time that he's not on TV?

I'm sure the typical mass-murderer is a nice guy 99% of the time too.  Okay,
that may not be a fair analogy, but the fact is it's the things we do that
1% of the time that we're often (perhaps rightfully) judged by.  And so it
is with Bob.
    
>    -Knight's student-atheletes go to class, finish their degrees and
>     go on into successful business or basketball careers.

Not much argument from me on this one, but he has had a recent spat of
drop-outs.  (Edwards & Funderburke)
    

>    -Knight donates huge amounts of his time to charity work across
>     the state of Indiana and across this nation.
>    -Knight is generous, he has donated over 1.6 million dollars to
>     the library and school(the money from his yearly sneaker contract)
>     and personally gave Landon Turner and his family $60,000 out of
>     pocket after Landon's accident.

Terrific.  Never said he wasn't generous.

    
>    -Knight's program is the cleanest in the nation.  

Don't know how you're vaulting yourself in front of UNC on this score.
After all, you've got Jay Edwards on coke and had the NCAA doing some
sniffing around in the wake of the Funderburke signing.  Carolina has
had 2 player problems in the last 10 years.  Walter Davis was treated 
for cocaine addiction and appears to be doing fine, his NBA career still
in fine blossom.  And Phil Ford was treated for alcohol problems several
years ago when he was in the NBA.  He's now a recovering alcoholic who's
an Assistant Coach at Carolina, playing a key role in recruiting.  (If
you check out some of the studs we have coming in next year I think it's
pretty obvious Phil's on the wagon.)

>    -Knight is honest and speaks his mind.  He also is one of the most
>     loyal friends you can have.  None of his former players(that played
>     4 years for him, have bad things to say about him.)  In fact they
>     all say they are better person for having played for Knight.

Interesting that you had to throw in the "4 years" qualifier, cause some
of Knight's early exit people don't share the opinion that he's so great.  
Isiah always seems to be biting his tongue when he talks about Knight and I'm
sure if you asked Mr. Funderburke about him he'd have a few eloquent
comments to make.
    
>    -Knight is one of the top basketball minds of all time.  Michael
>     Jordon called him the best coach he's ever played for and that
>     includes Dean Smith.

No question Knight's a great coach.  I never denied it.  If Michael said
as much, terrific.  I suspect (as you imply) that Mike was talking 
basketball mind here, not moral role-model or guy he would've liked to
have played under for 3 years.
    
>    -Knight was not arrested for assaulting a policeman.  All eyewitnesses
>     exonnerated Knight from any wrongdoing and Peurto Rico dropped
>     charges.

They dropped charges after years of demanding his extradition and realizing
they were never gonna get it.  And that "All eyewitnesses" stuff is 
untrue.  The cop who got assaulted was certainly an eyewitness and he
apparently didn't quite agree.

    
>    -Knight has never been arrested, convicted or accused of assaulting
>     fans.

NOT true.  Knight WAS arrested in Puerto Rico.  In fact, up until recently
Puerto Rico was still demanding his extradition so he could be put on 
trial.  And you're completely wrong about him never being accused of
assaulting a fan.  This made big-time news (forget the year) when he
assaulted an LSU fan after an NCAA tournament game.
    

>    -The televised interview with Connie Chung was one of the shadiest
>     moves in recent times.  They took Knight's remarks totally out
>     of context.

I didn't even bring this up.  I don't hold Knight responsible for TV
editing butcher jobs.

    
>    -There are countless number of coaches that yell and scream at players,
>     refs and fans.  Why aren't you attacking them?

My remarks about foul language were *NOT* directed only at Knight, but
at all coaches who use this kind of language.  I'm particularly harsh on
high school coaches (and dare I say it, coaches who are coaching even
younger kids).  Once you're in the pros I'd say no big deal, but college
coaches are dealing with 18, sometime 17 year-olds, and I personally find
the abusive language these high-profile coaches use upsetting.  Of course,
perhaps Knight should take additional blame because he's the highest of
the high-profiles and probably has acted as a poor role model for these other
guys.
    

>    Is Knight's standards, morally, personally and scholastically as
>    High as St. Dean.  I'd bet good money that they are.

No, they're not.  The fact that he's assaulted people, been arrested, 
shamelessly pulled a team off the floor, etc. are proof of this.  Dean's
biggest moral crime that anybody's brought up are his failure to win
more than 1 Title (hardly a moral sin), a speeding ticket, and the fact
that he used to smoke.  
    

>    The question remains, Cyst, What gives you the personal right to
>    judge another man, the way that you do Knight, a man you don't even
>    know.  You don't do this with other coaches.

I'm much harder on other coaches than I am with Knight.  It just seems
like the discussions around here always gravitate toward him.  For example
I've admitted countless times that Knight is a great coach, a generous
man, a man who graduates his players, etc, etc.  In a zillion years I'd
never say this about Tarkanian, Dale Brown, or Valvano, to name but 3.

    
>    P.S.  BTW, It sure is pleasurable watching you get all riled up
>    	  over anything negative about Dean.  

My thoughts exactly with you and Knight.  Trouble is, I've got a whole
lot more ammo than you do.


- ACC Chris
    

>                             -< scouting reports >-

Big10 Tom,

thanks for the info,  but how about Minnesota ?


Joe

    Funderburke stated in the press(the quote is in the sporting news)
    that Bob Knight in no way contibuted to his leaving.  He said that
    Indiana's style of structured offense hurt his game.  He said he
    liked and respect Knight.
    
    Another ACCyst fallacy cleared up.....
    
    Cap

Yo Tom,

I thought the Big 10 Commish played a big part in all this?

In any case, you can look at any section/region/conference and see some
oddities. Ga Tech is seeded as a #4 team and Duke as a #3 team. I thought
I just watched a game between the 2 and I swear I saw Ga Tech win.

TTom

    Re:.486
    Because they want to shut Keady's mouth on screaming about being put
    into other people's home court.  So they let him have the advantage for
    once.  And what advantage, they have Georgetown a team that causes a
    great matchup problem for Purdue (hope I'm wrong).
    
    Charles

    Was Indiana the Big10 champ last year??If so weren't they in the West??
    
    O_J

    Hey Big10 Tom, let's see  if you can dredge up last years slow white
    MBA forward discussion again....I really enjoyed that one as my
    "Boatmen" drilled your Loosiers.
    
    JoJ

    I know that T.  You have a good memory on things said.  
    
    Charles

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN TOURNAMENT REPORT (3-15-90)
Summary: It all begins today!!!
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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Date: 15 Mar 90 17:57:16 GMT
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Here's a rundown for each of the Big Ten teams in the tourney.
 
First, I would like to acknowledge the best Big Ten player not participating
in a tournament, Wisconsin's Danny Jones, a sure NBA player.  Danny,
from Rockford, Illinois, ended up number one in three Badger all-time
categories:
 
	- Scoring 		1,700-1,800 range, I think
	- FG percentage:	53.6%
	- Games played:		119
 
A true star on an otherwise disappointing team this season.
 
In other Big Ten news, players are leaving Northwestern in droves.  Kevin
Nixon and leading scorer Rex Walters bolted Bill Foster's camp this week,
and apparently another player may be following suit soon.  There was no
explanation given for these defections, but losing Walters is a disaster
for NU...
 
 
Michigan State (26-5, #1 in the Southeast Region):  The Spartans are riding
	a 10-game winning streak, and overcame a 3 game deficit to Purdue
	to win the Big Ten by 2 games during this stretch.  They should
	dispose of the Murray State Racers, though Ohio Valley Conference
	teams have been known to pull tournament upsets (Austin Peay over
	Illinois a few years ago comes to mind).  Watch for Mr. Everything,
	Steve Smith, defensive specialist Ken Redfield, 3-point gunner
	Kirk Manns, and the inside duo of Matt Steigenga (an Academic
	All-American) and 7-foot hulk Mike Peplowski.  Off the bench,
	Stephens (I can never remember the guy's first name, even though
	he ended Purdue's title aspirations on Sunday), Parish Hickman,
	and Mark "Monty" Montgomery are all excellent for helping out.
	Todd Wolfe can even come in and bang in a trifecta if needed.  If
	the Spartans win, they will face either Houston or the Gauchos of
	Cal-Santa Barbara.  Either will be tough.  Teams like Georgia
	Tech, LSU, and Syracuse are possibilities on the horizon.  A tough
	region, but State can go far here...
 
Purdue (21-7, #2 in the Midwest Region):  The Boilermakers only split their
	last 10 games, yet 3 of the losses were heartbreakers on the road.
	It seemed as though teams picked up on the fact that you could
	surround Steve Scheffler on defense and beat Purdue because the guards
	had a tendency to either not drive the paint or become timid from
	outside.  However, during the last two games, Purdue seemed to
	change their offensive philosophy and correct this.  Look for
	Scheffler (72.7% FG) inside, Tony Jones for defense and driving the 
	lane, Woody Austin, Jimmy Oliver and Loren Clyburn for the J's, and
	Ryan Berning and Chuckie White for all of the dirty work inside.
	Good outside shooting by Berning is a big plus when it happens.
	The Boilermakers face a NE Louisiana team which loves to put
	it up from trifecta land but doesn't do much inside.  Teams
	on the horizon include Texas, Georgia, and Georgetown!!  How
	about Scheffler going up against Mutombo and Mourning!!!
 
Michigan (22-7, #3 in the West Region):  The Michigan team has a legitimate
	chance to win it all.  They may have more quality players back than
	any team trying to repeat since Georgetown in the early '80s.
	Michigan lost four Big Ten road heartbreakers, and only got clobbered
	once (by Purdue at Ann Arbor).  Steve Fisher must face his alma
	mater in the first round, Illinois State, but should cruise.  Watch
	the super two-man game of Rumeal Robinson outside and Terry Mills
	inside.  Some NBA team should draft both of them.  Demetrius Calip
	is a trememdous defensive guard and can score, while Loy Vaught
	inside and Mike Griffin's general role play are keys.  The thing
	which will determine Michigan's fate is how Sean Higgins does.  He
	didn't seem 100% yet after his foot injury, as of last week at least.
	Teams like Arizona, Louisville, or UNLV loom on the horizon for
	the Wolverines, no easy task...
 
Illinois (21-7, #5 in the Midwest Region):  The Illini want to return to
	the Final Four, but it may be a bit tougher this time around.
	The team was practically unbeatable this season at home, but
	struggled badly at times away from the Assembly Hall.  The Illini love
	an up-tempo game, allowing Kendall Gill and Marcus Liberty to
	do their thing.  The team plays tenacious half court defense.
	The keys to the Illini's run are how Steve Bardo does and whether
	role players like Rodney Jones, Ervin Small, and Andy Kaufmann
	produce.  At times, Illinois looks like the best team in the
	country, and at others, extremely disorganized.  Illinois' most
	vulerable area is in the middle.  Big, physical teams should do
	well against them.  Dayton isn't in that group, but they may provide
	a stern test tonight.  Beyond the Flyers, the upper bracket of
	the Midwest Regional is loaded, with Arkansas immediately looming,
	and Oklahoma down the road...
 
Minnesota (20-8, #6 in the Southeast Region):  The Gophers at home were
	a dominating team, but away were average at best.  However, practically
	everyone from last year's Sweet Sixteen team is back.  The team
	did not finish the season strong.  Their outside shooting has become
	suspect, but at any point can be awesome.  Look for Willie Burton
	to be the most reliable of the bombers, with Melvin Newbern and
	Kevin Lynch following.  Newbern needs to drive the paint to open
	the inside game.  The Gophers are an excellent interior defensive
	and rebounding team, but not that great on the scoring end.  Jim
	Shikenjanski is a great shooter inside if given the chance.  Richard
	Coffey is a Windex-Man, and Walter Bond is as good a sixth man as
	there is to be found.  The Gophers have tough UTEP first, then
	a possible matching with Missouri which would be a great ballgame,
	I think... 
 
Ohio State (16-12, #8 in the West Region):  Ohio State is much better than
	it's record indicates, having lost 4 games early in December when
	Perry Carter, the Buckeye's dominant force inside, was injured.
	Ohio State can have a great perimeter game with people like frosh
	Jim Jackson (he does it all), Alex Davis, and Jamal Brown.  At times,
	though, it seems as if all of them go cold at the same time.  Chris
	Jent is the garbage man who either does something great or makes
	you cringe.  The Buckeyes aren't particularly deep.  They still like
	the uptempo game which Gary Williams introduced, but don't spread
	themselves out on defense as much, which is good, probably.  OSU
	has a tremendous first round matchup with Providence, then the
	likely unenviable task of having to face UNLV if they survive the
	Friars...
 
Indiana (18-10, #8 in the East Region):  Bob Knight's Hoosiers come into
	the tournament limping, having struggled on the court and with
	Eric Anderson's gimpy ankle.  But, the team still plays poised,
	solid defense and heady offense, and can beat any team which is
	the least bit undisciplined.  They will have trouble with extremely
	talented clubs, though.  IU is an excellent shooting team, but is
	not strong on the glass.  Frosh Calbert Cheaney must carry the
	team with his offense if Anderson isn't 100%.  The Hoosiers go
	about 9 or 10 deep, but none have been consistent scorers.  Maybe
	this is the time for the re-emergence of Lyndon Jones, who at
	times has been brilliant, and at others, on the end of the bench.
	Some good trifecta shooting by Pat Graham will be a tremendous help.
	IU plays an up-and-down Cal Bear team first, then could face the 
	Connecticut Huskies on their psuedo home court...
 
The First Round Games (all times Central):
 
	Thursday:
 
	#1 Michigan State vs. #16 Murray State, 1:30 pm at Knoxville
	#8 Indiana vs. #9 California, 8:30 pm at Hartford (ESPN)
	#5 Illinois vs. #12 Dayton, 9:30 pm at Austin
	#8 Ohio State vs. #9 Providence, 10:30 pm at Salt Lake City (CBS)
 
	Friday:
 
	#6 Minnesota vs. #11 UTEP, 1:30 pm at Richmond
	#3 Michigan vs. #14 Illinois State, 8:00 pm at Long Beach
	#2 Purdue vs. #15 NE Louisiana, 8:30 pm at Indianapolis
 
All other games will be shown in the regions of interest via local station
hookup to the "NCAA Basketball Network".
 
 
NIT Report:
 
	Penn State knocked off Marquette to advance to the second round
	of the NIT (57-55).  The Lions played a miserable first half
	and at one point trailed the Warriors 28-17.  Their second-round
	matchup will be determined later...
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    After the first day the Big Ten is 2-2 (what about the other
    conferences?) with the #7 team (in conference) Indiana losing to 
    California (hey T are you there?) and #4 and poor-coaching, 
    underachieving-as-usual Illinois losing to Dayton (well, at least this
    time they are more well-known than Austin Peay, or are they?).  The
    other two teams won in OT, in MSU over MSU (it is certainly the first
    OT between the #1 and #16 seeds, but is it the first one between the
    top and bottom seed, not necessarily #16, ever?) and the exciting and
    well-deserved OSU win over Providence.  
    
    After this, three of the more solid teams of the conference will play
    on the second day, well, I hope I can say the same of them by the time
    today's over.  OSU will certainly be bye-bye in the second round with
    UNLV.  MSU does not look good.  Purdue will probably have troubles too. 
    Michigan and Minnesota have not been playing their best the last
    quarter of the Big Ten season.  So here's a worried Big Ten fan looking
    into the tournament.  
    
    Charles

A lot of close games yesterday. Mr T. How about that charge at the end of
the California game? It could have gone either way. Anderson said he
didn't know if he was set or not.

Good to see Ohio St win. They catch the flack for being the 7th team in
and they win in OT, 84-83 (over Providence).

ACC went 3-0 yesterday: Clemson, Ga Tech, No Carolina.

TTom

I really didn't think the call was that close.  The Indiana player was
sliding over when contact was made (and it was major contact).  

I thought it was interesting that Indiana didn't take an earlier shot
in the final minute.  They were down 2 with 50+ seconds on the clock.
They almost ran out of shot clock before getting a shot (a rather good
one which went in).  Cal. used the last 10 seconds to drive the lane and get
the foul.  I thought Indiana should have shot earlier to give themselves
more opportunities.  I realize they did make the shot but Cal. had another 
opportunity to win and if Indiana missed, it was probaby over.
Since I haven't seen much of Indiana, could someone tell me if they can
shoot the three.  They turned down numerous open 3 point shots to try to
work the ball around.  Half of those times the shot clock became a factor
and they were forced to hurry a shot.  

                                                            ALan

    
    I watched the OSU-Providence game.  What a game...  Those are two
    fairly equal teams...  UNLV though will be too much for OSU to
    handle...

    I noticed a couple of *BIG* balls that Chaeney got his hands on the
    last 5 minutes that he couldn't quite hang onto.  Does he have a 
    history of bad hands?  Really hurt the Hucksters, IMO.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

	Cheaney can shoot the three but, as could be seen last night,
	finished the season slumping with his jump shot.  Pat Graham
	shoots the jumper well but a bit slowly, and has passed up "open"
	shots all year long.  The other guards have been non-factors all
	year from the outside.

	Cheaney catches the ball well, but isn't particularly strong.  He
	loses a lot of rebounds on minimal contact (as does Anderson).
	When Knight talks about what needs to happen in the off-season,
	the first things he ALWAYS mentions is that a lot of players need
	to get a lot stronger.

tom

    T,
    
    I watched some show and they had the high school player of the year
    (Parade, maybe?), and he's going to INdiana.  Caint remember if
    he was a guard or forward.
    
    Cheney really needs some work, the Hoosiers just never could come
    up with that one big play - or they could have won.  Smith from
    Cal killed them with some big hoops.
    
    Overall some decent games yesterday.  I watched the end of the
    Providence-OSU game.  If Skreen had hit that first 1 and 1 in the
    last minutes, it may have given the game to the Friars.  
    
    JD

    Damon Bailey is the name of the player you're thinking about, JD.
    If you read Season on the Brink, Knight and staff took a ride to
    see him play when Damon was an 8th grader.  He's been all but signed,
    sealed and delivered to Indiana since then.
    
    John

    FYI FOR ALL THE BIG TEN FANS(this has nothing to do with the big
    ten.)
    
    
    
    Northern Iowa 74
    Missouri 71

	Damon Bailey was announced as the Naismith High School Player of
	the Year at halftime of the NBA game on TNT Tuesday night.  He's
	a 6'3" high-school forward, college guard.

	Don't think they need 2 more fromt-line players; one more legitimate
	rebounder might be enough.  I haven't heard that they're involved
	with anybody like that for next year except Montross, though.

	Interesting perceptions about the Hoosiers' inability to make the
	big play last night.  In his radio show before last night's game,
	Knight said that this team could be called the 3-play Hoosiers.  In
	most of their losses, they were just 2 or 3 plays away from good,
	solid plays away from the win.  And that, of course, is what
	generally separates good teams from VERY good teams.

	tom

    Re:.508
    is that final?
    
    Well, I think Eldon Miller former coach of OSU is the coach at N. Iowa
    is that right?
    
    Charles

Not such a great showing for the so-called premier conference ...

Purdue, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, and defending champ Michigan all spin
down in flames.   Only Michigan State and Minnesota survive and both needed
overtime to do it.

The Michigan game was the wildest.  Loyola Marymount absolutely smoked 'em by
a score of 149-115.   Steve Fisher looked helpless as the Lions ran them and
pressed them right back to Ann Arbor.   I would not bet against Loyola Marymount
right now.  If they can smoke the Wolverines by 30-something points, they can
win it all.   Not to mention the emotional edge they have.

Bob Hunt

    Purdue lost another close game by one point.  This season they have
    lost 6 of the 8 losses by I think a total of defintely less than 15
    points.  They have a shot to win at all of these, but did not (against
    Long Beach State, Minnesota, MSU twice, Iowa, Texas).  Only their
    losses to Illinois and Arizona they had no chance in the last minute to
    win it (those were more or less blowouts).  This is a good year for
    Keady in that he brought a team that was not expected to do well to the
    #2 spot in the conference.  But he failed to maintain the team's
    success in the second half of the conference play and simply lost too
    many close ones.  In the old days of the mid 80s you can count on
    Purdue to win any close games and OT games they get into, I am afraid
    not anymore, I don't know why.  This pattern in fact I think started
    last season and is still happening.  Keady still has to prove himself
    in the tournament.  For a while I thought Purdue will have no diffi-
    culty this year getting into the sweet 16, but no.  
    
    I don't know if one can still consider the Purdue season a success. 
    Sure they were not respected well by the media and "overachieved."  But
    what does the media know?   Purdue has a solid core with Jones and
    Scheffler and an abundance of role players in Keady's style, so I don't
    buy it that they overachieved and that they should be glad to have
    gotten as far as they have.  No.  If they had won against Georgetown, 
    with all the upsets elsewhere in the Midwest Regional, who knows how
    far they can go?  Now, it's all over.
    
    The Big Ten DID NOT have a great year.  Record wise and strength wise I
    still believe they deserve to send 7 teams in there.  OSU's win against
    PC despite losing to a overpowering UNLV team in the second round
    justified that I believe.  (If anything maybe IU did not deserve to be
    there.)  But, they just did not have a good year.  You can tell by
    looking at the fact that MSU and Purdue had the best conference record
    and you will know.  They only have two teams left, and I do not
    expect any one of them to reach the Final Four, but of course, I always
    hope that I am wrong in this kind of doom predictions.
    
    Charles
    

    At least Purdue's women team won Sunday I think at West Lafayette and
    will play Louisiana Tech (I think a top 5 team?) on Thursday.  The
    women Boilers were expected at first to win the Big Ten but they lost
    it to Northwestern (this to anyone who thinks Northwestern can't win
    anything).  I hope they can pull it back together in the tournament.
    Hope.
    
    Charles

    Bob,
    
    Tha Michigan-LMU game was unreal.  In the first half, it seemed
    that the Michigan studs kept looking at the Lions and thinking -
    no problem, we'll catch ya - especially when they made that run
    in the first half to close to five.
    
    But man oh man, LMU was just unreal.  I got up to take a leak (not
    steal a mirror, mind you), and missed about 6 buckets!
    
    I'll agree wif you - right now LMU can beat anybody.
    
    Geez, am I hoping for a real underdow final four!
    
    JD

    Condolences, Charles.  I was definitely rooting against Purdue in this
    one but I felt bad for Keady at the end (first time for everything ;^)
    ) when he saw his kids shot get blocked and he was asking for a
    goal-tending call, undoubtedly knowing full well it was an awesome and
    clean block.  
    
    Watching the NCAA Tourney this weekend left absolutely no doubt in my
    mind that this is the single best sports spectacular in the world. 
    A truly incredible weekend of sports.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    
    

    Chris, for the last weekend I wish I was a UNC fan.  But I know the
    feeling will be a short one (I mean I will be back in my full strength
    as a Boiler fan soon enough, nothing against the Tarheels).  Anyway,
    good game UNC and good luck.

    Looks like my compasion for Keady will be short lived.  Just read the
    article on the game and he had these classic no-class comments:
    
    "The officiating was bull----, just bull----.  But I'm not taking
    anything away from [Texas]."
    
    Compare this with the way Virginia handled its defeat.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    
    

    Thanks Charles and yes, it does feel GREAT to be a UNC fan at the
    moment.  For one thing its (temporarily) silenced all the Dean critics
    who don't think he can coach worth a lick.  For another thing it's fun
    being the underdog and springing the upset.  (Instead of the other way
    around which is the usual turn of events.)  And lastly it's great to be
    playing our best ball at the *END* of the season, instead of the
    beginning to middle as is typical.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    
    
    I can't argue with Keady on the call that won it for Texas, the "foul"
    on the Ill. player with seconds left. The replay clearly showed the
    Texas player wasn't touched. 

    Amazing thing about the Texas win was they really won it playing a Big
    Ten pace.  It wasn't a particuarly up-tempo game.  There was a lot of
    banging inside.  And the final score was more indicative of a Big Ten
    game than a Texas (SWC) game.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    To prove Chris' point, at one point in the second half Texas led Purdue
    22-24 in inside scoring.
    
    T, perhaps the reason for Purdue not going to the big guy (and the big
    guy not being there) was that he was hurt.  I realize that he wasn't
    real bad until the refs stopped the game for him with 25 (or so)
    seconds left, but he didn't look to steady on his feet when he entered
    the game earlier.

    Re:.518
    Luckily I have not been a Dean Smith critic.  Not that I can
    remember...
    
    

    Every year it seems, to me, that Purdue loses the same way - which
    is why I've never been too impressed with Keady.
    
    Re Mrt and CBS - I didn't like their coverage either.  Brent, or
    one of the other stooges, talked about how 'hard' it was to try
    to keep up wif all the action.  Perhaps they should have watched
    ESPN more closely.
    
    Also, I got up Sunday morning expecting the 9:00 game -St. John's
    vs. Duke.  Instead CBS had some children's movie on.  They announced
    they would show the game starting at 11:00 - whippy doo.  They they
    started showing one of the games - (Purdue? I caint remember) and
    then cut away to show UCLA-Kansas.....
    
    JD

    Hey, my Golden Gophs are alive and well - despite not playing well
    in either win.  Next up Syracuse on Friday night.
    
    Gophs are due for a good game,
    
    
    Spud

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN TOURNAMENT REPORT - ugh (3-19-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: It's been ugly so far...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Message-ID: <1990Mar19.180835.4058@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 19 Mar 90 18:08:35 GMT
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The Big Ten has laid some big, fat eggs in the tournament so far.  Only Ohio
State has looked good to date, but they had to play Vegas.  Michigan State
and Minnesota, the only teams still alive, have been extremely fortunate.
Purdue gagged big-time, as did Illinois (sort of), IU's youth would have
been better-served with a good NIT run, and Michigan lost to The Team on
a Mission.  These reports are brief, since there's 12 of them.  Thanks to
all of the gagging, my job will be much easier from here on out...especially
since both MSU and Minnesota may have reached the end of the line themselves.
 
Thursday's Results:
 
	#1 MICHIGAN STATE 75, #16 Murray State 71 OT (SE Regional at 
	Knoxville):  Holy Toledo!  It wasn't until Kirk Manns' layup with 43 
	seconds left in OVERTIME that the Spartans were winners.  Steve
	Smith scored 6 of his team-high 22 points in the extra session,
	as the Racers sent this one to OT with a buzzer-beating trifecta.
	Beware of OVC vs. Big Ten matchups!!  Regardless, a most unimpressive
	opening for the Big Ten champs.  What pathetic crowds in Knoxville!
	Next:  Saturday vs. #9 Cal-Santa Barbara.
 
	#9 Cal 65, #8 INDIANA 63 (East Regional at Hartford):  When Keith
	Smith was ready, Cal was ready.  When he wasn't, Cal wasn't.  This
	was kind of a bland game which showed that neither team had a
	legitimate chance to do anything in the tournament.  Smith drove
	and was fouled with 4 seconds left, and hit the FTs to win it.  IU
	had a pathetic, disorganized sequence in those final seconds in
	trying to win.  Lyndon Jones never took his warmups off.  I think 
	Knight is burned-out.  IU is done.
 
	#12 Dayton 88, #5 ILLINOIS 86 (MW Regional at Austin):  Illinois
	returned to previous-years' tournament form by letting the opposition
	totally dictate tempo, and it ended their season.  Marcus Liberty
	looked awful.  Nigele Knight was awesome.  Kendall Gill played his
	heart out again, but he wasn't enough.  The less-than-sellout crowd
	in Austin seemed to be solidly behind Dayton as the game wore on.
	To Illinois' credit, they did come back from an 11-point second
	half deficit to tie it, but could never get over the hump.  All in
	all, more fodder for Lou-bashing.  Illinois is done.
 
	#8 OHIO STATE 84, #9 Providence 83 OT (West Regional at Salt Lake City):
	A sensational ballgame which saw Ohio State erase a 12-point deficit
	in the final 5 minutes to force overtime and eventually win.  Alex
	Davis came through with some monster bombs to get the Buckeyes back
	in it.  The game pitted Randy Ayers and Rick Barnes, who both were
	at Gary Williams' side when he arrived in Columbus.  The Buckeyes
	are a gritty, never-say-die team.  A huge disappointment for the
	Friars, who totally dominated the first 15 minutes of the second
	half to seize control of the game.  Next:  Saturday vs. #1 UNLV.
 
 
Friday's Results:
 
	#6 MINNESOTA 64, #11 UTEP 61 OT (SE Regional at Richmond):  Another
	near-miss against a Big Ten team.  The Gophers were behind when
	the game was in the 40's, but managed to pull it out with a sealing
	drive and layup by Melvin Newbern at the end.  The Gophers' offense
	stagnated much of the game.  But, good defense proved to put the
	Gophers into the Round of 32.  Next:  Sunday vs. #14 Northern Iowa.  
 
	#3 MICHIGAN 76, #14 Illinois State 70 (West Regional at Long Beach):
	Incredibly, Michigan needed to score the last 6 points of the game
	to win by 6 in a very uninspired, but predictable performance.
	The gutty Redbirds perhaps played their best game of the season in
	a matchup which I still can't understand was close (I had seen ISU
	earlier in the season live).  Steve Fisher's tournament record
	rose to a glossy 7-0, this win being against his old school.  Bob
	Bender is one of the bright, young coaching stars.  Next: Sunday
	vs. #11 (c'mon!) Loyola Marymount.
 
	#2 PURDUE 75, #15 NE Louisiana 63 (MW Regional at Indy):  Purdue
	made what should have been a yawner interesting with a pathetic,
	turnover-marred first half performance.  The Indians, whose uniforms
	looked just like Minnesota's (I guess that's who Purdue thought it
	was playing), totally dictated how the first half would be played,
	pressing Purdue into oblivion.  But, the Boilers got control of
	the second half quickly and pretty much coasted in.  NE Louisiana
	was a great perimeter team, and their center (averaging just 8
	ppg) had the game of his life.  Nearly 40,000 fans were on hand,
	breaking the records set last year at Indy for First-Round games.
	It was estimated that there were 25,000 Purdue fans, with most of
	the rest Xavier and IU fans.  Next:  Sunday vs. #10 Texas.
 
Saturday's Results:
 
	#1 MICHIGAN STATE 62, #9 Cal-Santa Barbara 58 (SE Regional at 
	Knoxville):  Again, before a much less-than-sellout crowd, MSU and the 
	Gauchos slogged through a very sloppy game which Tommy Heinsohn 
	described as "a game where neither team can catch the ball".  MSU, 
	fortunately for them, always seemed to stay ahead and thus averted the 
	upset.  Jerry Pimm is one of those guys who knows how to coach in the
	tournament, so this was probably a real good win for MSU even though 
	they were expected to win.  The Spartans will need to get their act
	together before facing the streaking Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia
	Tech.  What a sensational game they had against LSU!  Next:  Friday
	vs. #4 (what a crock!) Georgia Tech at New Orleans.
 
	#1 UNLV 76, #8 OHIO STATE 65 (West Regional at Salt Lake City):
	The Buckeyes did themselves proud in this tournament by giving
	the incredibly-talented Runnin' Rebels all they wanted before
	the cold-shooting bugaboo caught up with them.  UNLV only led
	39-37 at the break, but started pulling away in the second half
	as OSU's shooters iced.  But, a nice try for the Buckeyes, who
	have a lot to look forward to in the future.  OSU is done.
 
Sunday's Results:
 
	#10 Texas 73, #2 PURDUE 72 (MW Regional at Indy):  Purdue did
	it's usual tournament choke by blowing second half leads of 9
	points and then later 8 points before a very-partisan, victory-
	starved crowd who ended up having to vent their frustrations on
	Georgetown later.  The Boilermakers blew all of their second-
	half bonus opportunities (amazing, huh?), while Texas, who
	shot miserably from the stripe against Georgia on Friday (except
	Travis Mays), couldn't miss.  And, the Longhorns started pulling
	off-balanced, running trifectas out of their asses during the
	final 7 minutes.  The team which wanted this game more won it,
	as Tom Penders' "we aren't afraid of any team or crowd" mentality
	was soaked up by his players.  "Panama" Myers CLEAN, last-second block
	of a good Tony Jones' drive sealed the win, and sent Gene Keady
	into a ridiculous, whining post-game tirade.  At least the fans
	showed more class than he did afterwards.  An NCAA tournament-
	record (for a second-round site) crowd of 38,000-plus witnessed
	two tremendous ballgames, with Xavier's pseudo-upset the nightcap.
	Purdue is extremely done.
 
	#6 MINNESOTA 81, #14 Northern Iowa 78 (SE Regional at Richmond):
	Before a lot of Virginia fans, Minnesota averted a shocking upset
	by holding off the game Panthers of OSU-castoff Eldon Miller.
	The Gophers could never pull away in this one, and just barely
	held on.  A bad pass by Kevin Lynch allowed UNI a dunk to cut it
	to 3, but the Gophers then just heaved the ball up in the air
	to kill the last two seconds.  Willie Burton had a career-high
	36 points, and Minnesota needed every last one of them.  The
	Gophers reach the Sweet Sixteen for the second straight year,
	quite an accomplishment, especially since they haven't played
	well yet.  They really lucked-out with the pairings so far, but 
	tough Syracuse looms now.  Next:  Friday vs. #2 (what, a Number 2
	survived??) Syracuse at New Orleans.  
 
	#11 Loyola Marymount 149, #3 MICHIGAN 115 (West Regional at Long
	Beach):  The folks in sunny CA were treated to perhaps the most
	amazing performance in NCAA tournament history, as the Lions
	made an NCAA-record 21 trifectas!  Jeff Fryer hit 11 of them
	and scored 41 points.  Bo Kimble tossed in 37.  Six Wolverines
	hit double-figures, but, c'mon Fisher, you played right into
	Paul Westhead's hands!!!  149 points!!!  At least they showed
	a lot of this game on the Hoosier Dome's TV scoreboard.  You
	should have heard all of the oohs and ahhs as the Lions were
	gunning and streaking away.  Michigan is burned.
 
 
So, there you have it.  The Big Ten entered the tournament with 11% of
the field, and is left with 13% of it.  SO WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL!!!  ;-)
 
 
	Friday, at the Southeast Regional in New Orleans:
 
	#6 MINNESOTA vs. #2 Syracuse (7:10 pm CST, National)
 
	#1 MICHIGAN STATE vs. #4 Georgia Tech (9:30 pm CST, Regional)
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>    Hey, my Golden Gophs are alive and well - despite not playing well
>    in either win.  Next up Syracuse on Friday night.
    
>    Gophs are due for a good game,


Hey Spud, we meet again....SU has trouble with guard-oriented teams...especially
if they're big, and can shoot the outside "J".  What should we look for from
Minn Fri night ?  As for the Gophs due for a good game, SU hasn't had one in
over 2 weeks !!!


Joe

    The Gophers and Spartans are still in the running for pulling off
    the double - a hockey and hoops national championship in the same
    year.  They would knock each other off before getting to the Final
    Four in hoops, but they could play each other for the title in hockey
    since they can't meet until the title game.
    
    Michigan State, Michigan and Wisconsin are the only schools that
    have won the national titles in both hockey and basketball.  Minnesota
    has a chance to become the 4th (unless you consider Lowell, which
    has won both national titles in Division 2).  If Ohio State's hockey
    team was at all decent, they'd have a chance to do it too, they
    are the only other Division 1 hockey school that's also won a national
    hoops title.
    
    John

After the Purdue loss to Texas this Sunday, Keady's outburst at the post-
game conference, and the probable NCAA reprimand for his comments and 
prfanities sprayed on the refs, I guess it is fair to say that Keady's
image as a coach has sunk to an all-time low, even among loyal Boiler
fans who has been standing by him all these years despite 1st or 2nd 
round exit year after year in the NCAA.  It's certainly not because of
the loss to Texas, not one game.  But what happened?  What a case study.  
Talk about changes in behavior and perception of the person, just look 
at Gene Keady's career at Purdue.  (I never took any psychology courses :)
 
On behavior:  it seems like Keady was not as fiery a coach as he is today
during his first few years at Purdue.  Intense maybe, but he was always
perceived as, and behaved as, a nice fellow in the beginning.  But about 
the time when ESPN started covering the Big Ten on Monday nights, and 
when they put the Keady bench shot into their college hoops promote, it
seemed from that point on Keady continues to prove himself more and more
of a character, more than Bob Knight probably or almost.
 
I can see a few reasons behind this.  One of it is certainly the pres-
sure of being in a state with Bob Knight and Notre Dame, which despite a
terrible coach always have good talent and blind favoritism from the 
NCAA, and recently even David Letterman U.  He is losing in the recruit-
ing war badly, consistently.  He must feel like asking himself what can 
I do to be respected in this state?  That's why he talks and talks with 
Texas and Arizona State, but find it too cowardly if he would leave Purdue.  
 
Another is the turning point after the defeat of the Lewis-Mitchell-
Stephens led team which was seeded #1 but lost to K-State in the Sweet
16.  For once he has a talented team, well seeded, poised to go to the
Final Four, and the team choked.  He must be feeling more and more the
pressure of the criticism he has been receiving as a great coach except
during tournament time.  But he knows as well as everyone else does that
it is the NCAA that counts.  So that may be why he has to turn during
his temper tandrums to things like "we graduate all our kids..." which 
is true, but becoming for him the only thing he can fall back on after
his continued lack of success at the NCAA and the pressures for it.
 
Then, Keady was really on a roll last year despite the losing season
for Purdue.  The ASU thing was big news, that kept him in the headlines,
which I guess he enjoyed.  He turned the job down, only to have another
famous coach to scramble to grab it, which must make Keady really happy.
Then, over the summer, he brought home the gold from the World Univer-
sity Game, first time after Coach K.  He must be feeling that he has
established himself as one of the premiere coaches in the country (a
notion he deserves) but only one Final Four or one National Champion-
ship away.  Unfortunately for coaches like him and K, because of the
pros being allowed in the next Olympics and that it looks like a pro
coach (rumored to be Larry Brown) will take over the Olympics coaching
job, he must be feeling that he would be the frontrunner with K (forget
people like Tubbs, Dale Brown, Tark etc., they have successful programs
and NCAA and all that but they do not have the image of someone who is
an educator, like past Olympics coaches), if he can do something in 
the NCAA.  This must be an added pressure for him personally.  
 
With all this, the Keady I see today is really different from the Keady 
I saw when I was in West Lafayette.  People are right, I think, and I
hope Keady would listen, that his teams reflect his attitude and it is
simply too uptight and not relaxed enough to win.  It is difficult 
though for him to "relax" unless Purdue does something more or less 
to give him a personal dynasty and let him do his thing until he quits,
hopefully to alleviate some pressures, and hopefully for Keady to think
to himself, ok, I'll just do my job and when the National Championship
comes, so let it come....I don't know if he may be too much of a compe-
titor to settle with that.  But if he continues the way he has been,
he will lose more and more close games, like he has been this year and
last (as I said before many times, 6 of his 8 losses this year are win-
able at the last minute/seconds).  He used to be such a great clutch 
coach 5 years or so ago, when his teams are probably more loose, though
certainly not much more talented.  
 
And he simply lets his temper run all over him too much.  These days 
(most of the times) Knight would keep his temper to within himself un-
less he can see an advantage in bursting out (maybe working on an offi-
cial, for instance) but Keady simply let it out and out, for no appa-
rent advantage.  His complaints against the officials at the Texas and
MSU games were no whining, but his tempers.  I dislike his profanity
very very much, and I think Purdue as an educational institution, not
to say also my alma mater, has to do something about that.  He was a 
good friend with MSU, so he would not rip it on Heathcote.  So he took
it to the refs.  For Texas, he can see and he knew that his team was
slipping away and he could not change it or coach them out, and he 
cannot fault Texas who played brilliantly.  So again he took out his
temper, a result of his pressures, on the refs again.  
 
I would not go as far as some to suggest that Keady must move on.  That
is not fair to him.  As far as perception for Keady goes, just last year
people still recognize him as a great coach and all that except unproven
at the NCAA.  This season until last weekend, he was still great and all
that, esp. for bringing a team of low expectation to the #2 conference
finish and #2 seed in the tournament.  It's a wonder what one game, one
loss, can do, coupled with some silly and hot-tempered comments post-
game, can do to your image just overnight.  Just think that this is the
same person who won the Big Ten Coach of the Year.  I hope he will learn
and I hope the school will take some pressure off him to help him do his
job, which is as an educator first.  He has certainly done more to hurt
his own image in one day than he has done in many years to build it up.
But I think (and I hope) he is not finished yet.
 
Good luck Gene.
 
Charles
 

    As far as talents in IU and Purdue is concerned, you are right that IU
    is currently very short on big people, but Purdue doesn't have much
    successing recruiting in that area either...think about the last
    several centers Purdue has: Scheffler - a tight-end recruited by Bo
    Schem. who developed to what he is, Mel McCants - probably the highest
    rated center Purdue recruited in the last decade but he never really
    truly developed in college (but somehow he is still on the Laker roster
    as the last man now, which I do not understand how he can remain),
    Robert Littlejohn - a juco transfer who lasted only one year in Purdue
    due to academic trouble, never played well at all, Jim Rowinski - the
    last Scheffler, 'nuff said.  So if IU is not doing well at the big man
    spot it has nothing to do with Purdue.  Purdue still cannot recruit the
    Ewings or Mournings or Mills, Keady simply made them them out of meat.  
    This I guess is one thing Keady clearly has an upper hand over Bob
    Knight (not to be said for too many other things).
    
    Charles

    
    got to admit it's great to listen to you big tenner's whine on...
    
    ;^)
    
    face it youseguys was almost as over-rated as the big 8.....
    
    big east we got shitty coaching that's our problem....
    
    mike

    Come on over to the ACC then Mike.  We've got players *and* coaches!
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    Stop whining Tom. Your co-opting of Michigan (who you have pilloried
    countless times), with the "*we're* defending champs" chant, is
    Bandwagon Jumping at it's lowest.

    > "Plato,Homer,Voltaire,BobKnight"
    
    Awful bad time to pull out that p-name T.  Based on IU's performance
    this year you're projecting Voltaire as a harlequin romance novelist
    and Plato and Homer as Shirley MacClaine philosophers!
    
    Hah!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

>    Remember, now: One needn't be measured so much by early
>    round wins when one's Pantheon membership has already been assured
>    the old fashioned way, Titles.
    
    So you're content to rest on Bob's laurels, eh T?  Well good for you.
    The thing is if it were me (or maybe any ordinary human) a not-so-hot
    season followed by a 1st round TKO in the tourney woulda hurt.  ALOT. 
    Especially coming from a program that everybody ranks as one of the
    nations finest.  But perhaps that's starting to become more of an
    historical footnote.
    
    One question though.  Why do you take it so easy on Bob when it comes
    to recruiting?  Isn't this one of the most important things a college
    basketball coach does?  Haven't you admitted (time and time again) that
    he doesn't get 1st rate talent?  Why not?  What's his problem?  Has the
    game passed him by?
    
    A couple of examples.  First there was his dip into the JUCO world to
    fetch enough talent to win a Title.  Is this not a sign of a bit of
    desperation?  Then this year.  Sure he got some great little guys in. 
    The fact that the state of Indiana seemed to be busting at the seems
    with quality guards last year may have something to do with it.  He
    started after Bailey when he was in 8th grade, so no big surprise
    there.  But what about big guys?  What about recruiting out-of-state? 
    How come he got desperate again and gambled on an obvious head case
    like Fundeburke??
    
    Inquiring minds want to know.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    
    Well naturally being from the NECCJ (tm) and realizing that the only
    real basketball played in this country is on the east coast naturally
    the ACC is my second choice Chris.  ;^) even with Snuffy aboard.
    
    T, you've already opened my eyes on the Stomper, now need to rub it
    in. ;^)
    
    Craig Ershrick he's our man if he can't do it....
    
    simple stated T, OVER_RATED is what the Big 10 is and what it will
    remain till they  have the guts to have an end of the year tournement.
    No way IU or OSU make the field if the big ten has a tournement at
    the end of the year and either of these guys fold in the first
    round. OSU maybe cause they played a dam tough schedule but if IU went
    into an end of the year tourney and got pasted as they would have
    (unless of course they played Michigan) they'd have been NIT bound...
    
    mike

	Boy! There's verbal fisticuffs going on all over this Notesfile.
Did I hear some of these intrepid brawlers taking the football fanatics 
to task a couple months ago? Or was that a fig newton of my imagination?

Gynotikolobomassophile
Mike JN

    To sum up last 2:
    
    BOB KNIGHT LIFE-TIME REPORT CARD
    --------------------------------
    
    Coaching		A
    Recruiting		C
    
    All of this adds up to a grade of "B" for overall performance.  He's had
    some great years (3 Titles) but at least an equal number of just plain
    bad ones.  (READ: Richmond, Cleveland St., California)
    
    Course we wouldn't be complete if we didn't give Bob a grade for Off Court
    Behavior.  Bob is of course a paradoxical man, intermixing acts of 
    altruism and a fine graduation rate with dispicable and discusting
    sordid events.  I'd say a "C" is about right.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    One more thing on this recruiting stuff.  Unless Bob can go out and get
    some front-court players I believe I'm correct in forecasting an
    equally down year in 90-91 for the Hucksters.  I realize Bob has
    God-like powers in Indiana, but I wonder how long the downward spiral
    will continue before the natives start getting restless???
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    
    T, that's simply not true. The ACC is on espn twice a week so is the
    big east and the big ten. nbc has the acc on the weekends, abc has the
    big ten and cbs has the big east on weekends. It's not my fault that
    abc would rather broadcast star search.....
    
    I guess they realize that the big ten is overrated and can compete
    head to head against tha acc and big east for the fan's attention
    ;^)...
    
    mike

    Sorry, mike, the Big Ten has the guts but not the greed (at least not
    yet, but Jim Delany ??? ) for a tournament.  Hey, even the Pac 10 will
    soon give up its tourney. 

    Re:.551
    No, the Big Ten is on ESPN only once each week and only have 2 or 3
    Thursday night games on ESPN.  They do not have 2 per week on ESPN as
    you claim.  They do not have pre/post-conference tournament to
    guarantee more TV time like for the ACC and Big East.
    
    Charles

    But the Big10 don't need the money because there football factories
    pile in the bucks year in year out.  The Big East doesn't have that
    luxury.  We've gone through this a zillion times.  I'd love to see
    a school-by-school breakdown of money brought in via sports to each
    school in the Big East and Big10.  I'd guess right now that the
    Big10 schools swamp the smaller BigEast schools.  So enough with
    the whining and the holier than thou attitudes.  I've seen a ton
    of Big10 games this year.  
    
    What about the Big 8 - they are never on national TV, the Pac10
    hardly ever is on (except out here in the west), etc.
    
    JD

    
    sorry Charles, but I thought that thursday nite affair was an every
    week. probably was until it got lousy ratings. don't get hot I'm just
    kidding cause I know by the amount of fans in here it would get
    watched. Not having tournement is there fault and short sighted I would
    say. The extra exposure would help. I as a fan would love it and I feel
    every other fan would too. You and T can keep feeling high and mighty
    all you want about not having a tournement but I'll bet if they had
    one you'd love every minute of it. So I feel deep down the high amd
    mighty act is a coverup for the empty feeling you guys must have.
    
    Let's face it a tourmement with one and only one winner who beats
    all comer is more exciting than winning a regular season. Also
    eliminates ties. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that regular season
    championships are not important or of greater value, just that a
    tournement is more exciting.......
    
    especially if an underdog gets on a roll.......
    
    mike

    Hey! How about a NOVEL (but very verifiable) way to rate the coaches?
    
    
    How many players does each coach graduate?
    
    ...mike
    

    
>    Oh, sorry ACCaught.  I thought you wanted a serious duscussion of
>    his recruitng deficiency.  Apparently you don't if you're gonna
>    place a_interim objective on a_equal footing with a_ultimate goal.

No, I was interested in a serious discussion and, in fack, appreciated
a few of the non-propaganda remarks you made a couple back.  Just couldn't
resist the Report Card summation though.

>    People recruit *in order* to win, not for the sheer pleasure of
>    fondling star-studded roster sheets - something perhaps hard for
>    a Star Heel alum to understand.  

Stockpiling talent has NEVER been a Dean trait.  He recruits (selects)
top-notch talent who are academically able, but almost never leaves
these kids to rot on the bench.  His roster usually contains 3 walk-ons
and he gives the other 9 or 10 decent playing time, at least until tourney
time when it's down to 8 or 9.  While other coaches will guarantee playing
time at the drop of a hat when recruiting, Dean NEVER does.  The irony
here is that if Dean recruits you, you'll play, promises or not, while
with other coaches the promises don't mean squat.

In any case this failure to stock pile talent has hurt us, cause sometimes
these high-profile guys just don't pan out and then you're stuck.  But
loyalty is a bigee for Dean, and he'll stick with ya no matter how mediocre
your career turns out.  One of the areas Dean gets critized for is some of
his star talent not developing over the course of 4 years.  Fact is alot of
these kids just aren't that good and in other programs might get buried
on the bench in favor of somebody else.  With Dean, these kids will keep
on playing.  Again, the loyalty factor is primo with Dean.

Having said that I'm curious about Dean's plans for Montross.  He's already
got 7' Matt Wenstrom, who's shown promise.  He's BIG but slow, which sounds
like what we'd get with Eric.  If we get Montross this will be the first
real "stock pile" I've observed in quite awhile.
    
>    And ACCaught, are you in here claiming that Reverend Underachievement
>    has never lost a first or second round game?  It seems like you
>    are, and I don't believe that's the case.

I'm sure we have lost a 1st round game, but it's been at least 10
years since it's happened. 


- ACC Chris
    

>    BOB KNIGHT LIFE-TIME REPORT CARD
>    --------------------------------
    
>    Coaching		A
>    Recruiting		C


Put Bobby Knight at Syracuse, and his "C" recruiting goes up to an "A", and
he becomes the greatest coach of all time.

A friend says he read in some publication that Knight said that he could
take a few schools to the Final Four every year and Syracuse was one of them.
I don't know if this is true or not, but if it is, it says a lot about what
he thinks of Boeheim (despite his coming to Boeheim's defense in press
conferences at the '87 title game), and what he thinks of the talent SU
attracts.

It also confirms what I've said about Boehiem forever....


Joe

    1986 - North Carolina loses Regional Semifinal to Louisville, 94-79
    1980 - North Carolina loses 2nd round game to Texas A&M, 78-61 in
    double OT.  Aggies had beaten Bradley 55-53 in first game, loss
    to Aggies was Heels first game of tournament.
    1979 - North Carolina loses 2nd round game to Penn, 72-71.  Penn
    had beaten Iona 73-69 in first game, loss to Penn was Heels first
    game of tournament.
    1978 - Lost to San Francisco in first round 68-64
    1977 - Lost to Marquette in title game
    1976 - Lost to Alabama in first round 79-64
    1975 - Lost to Syracuse in second round 78-76
    1974 - Played in NIT
    
    John

    Actually all the regular season means in the Big10 is for the bottom
    3 teams - they are the only ones who won't go to the tourney.  Every
    year 6 or 7 make it from the big10, rendering the regular season
    useless.  For the most part, the 8,9,and10 teams have nothing to
    shoot for once they are out of it.
    
    As J.Hendry pointed out, the only true conference is the Ivy, which
    plays no tourney, and only the winner of the conference makes the
    tourney.  Imagine if only MSU made the tourney this year from the
    big10 - then it would be like the Ivy.
    
    JD

    I believe UNC lost to the Penn team that made the Final Four - they
    weren't shabby - just ask Jeff ;-)
    
    JD

    >Many, probably most, Big10 fans
    >desperately want to see NO post-season redundancy cuz it only takes
    >robs the conference schedule of its meaning and therefore excitment.
    
    Through all this suspected lack of meaning of the ACC, the Big East,
    and others, their regular season is chock full of excitement for the
    fans, the students, the players and the coaches.  Shoot, I'll be the
    refs are excited as well as the networks and advertisers.  Somehow
    they manage all this with either no meaning, or MrT's long campaign is
    full of it.  Yes, the latter is the right answer.
    
    >False claim.  The vast majority of his "kids" spend a full four
    >year tour with him.  
    
    You missed the point, but not surprising considering how defensive
    you've been since the first round KO of a wee ago.  The issue was
    recruiting, not the athletes Bob gets to actually come there.  The
    issue of recruiting is why the kids (high school seniors) don't want to
    spend the next 4 years with Bob.  Some of your reasons were perfectly
    valid, and some not.  And you missed a few to boot.
    
    >>Bob Knight is certainly among the top 5, and perhaps the top in
    >>TV-exposed coaches.
    
    >There he is posing opinion-as-fack.  Got any backing on this, Schneid?
    
    Nope.  Just an empirical observation.  Do you dispute it, or is this
    just more of your knee-jerk defensiveness where you get off on the
    personal attacks again?  
    
    >Btw, my backing on this is that he coaches in a conference only half
    >as exposed as the ACC and Big East.
    
    But your "backing" was seen to be well out of date already.  Your
    "backing" doesn't apply.  Your "backing" isn't even even close to
    acceptable as statistical evidence.  On ESPN, Indiana was on just about
    every other week.  And who knows if they might not have some scheduling
    shifted to them if they had performed as expected?
    
    Dan

    re: Stockpiling
    
    I think you miss my meaning on this one Ketch.  By "stockpiling" I'm
    talking about recruiting top studs and sitting them on the bench. 
    Valvano is famous for this.  He'll recruit 2 or 3 studs for one
    position and let the best of them play.  The other(s) get pine time and
    (eventually, sometimes) their scholarship yanked.  UCLA in the good old
    days was notorious for stockpiling.  Only difference their was usually
    once you served your dues on the bench for a year or 2 you got your
    chance to play on a Title winner.
    
    Dean obviously is a great recruiter, no question about that.  He's had
    some great ballplayers come through and I'm extremely proud of them
    all.  All I'm saying is he doesn't go out and recruit multiple copies
    of the same position and only give one of 'em playing time.  If Dean
    recruits you, you'll play. 
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    > Put Bobby Knight at Syracuse, and his "C" recruiting goes up to an
    > "A"
    
    I disagree Phil.  In fact, Bob just might get even less talent up in
    the somewhat remote northern reaches of NY State (where HS football
    reigns supreme) than he does in Indiana, a HS basketball hotbed.  Now if 
    you're talking about letting Knight coach the ballplayers that Baywhine 
    (tm) reels in, you may be on to something!
    
    One more thing on Baywhine (tm) that I've said before but I'll say
    again.  You guys are *WAY* too hard on the guy.  Sure he's not a great
    coach, but he's built one of the premiere programs in the USA, he's
    taken them to within one missed jump shot of a Title, he plays an
    exciting brand of ball, he packs 30K into a stinkin' football stadium
    for games, he's stayed away from probation, and he consistently signs
    top quality ballplayers.  All this playing in what's not exactly the
    greatest climate in the world in a city that's not exactly glamerous.
    
    And if I was Baywhine and Knight had layed that beautiful cheap shot
    line on me I woulda said something like "Well why the he** don't you go
    out and sign a couple of players instead of complaining about
    it??!!"  Most loyal fans would've taken *serious* offense at Knight's
    comments.  You SU fans, while intensely loyal to your players and team,
    just kinda let poor Jim twist in the (OURGNG::SPORTS) wind!
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    Re:.565
    The Big Ten does not place 6 or 7 teams in the NCAA each year.  Last
    year only 5.

    Yeah, and 7 this year. Two of which had no right being in the Tourny.
    The big10 weazled an extra couple of teams in there thanx to friends in
    high places.
    
    Root for a real division...Root for the Big East or the ACC.
    
    JoJ

>        -< Hate defending the guy, but I gotta call 'em as I see 'em. >-

>    > Put Bobby Knight at Syracuse, and his "C" recruiting goes up to an
>    > "A"
    
>    I disagree Phil.  In fact, Bob just might get even less talent up in
>    the somewhat remote northern reaches of NY State (where HS football
>    reigns supreme) than he does in Indiana, a HS basketball hotbed.


Chris,

Don't give Boeheim so much credit in recruiting.  He himself says that his
3 biggest recruiting strengths are (not sure of the order of priority):

	1)  Big East
	2)  Carrier Dome & facilities
	3)  ESPN

His recruiting success only STARTED with Pearl, followed by Thompson and
Coleman, and then Owens (whose brother is a RB at SU).  That's it.
(well, he did get Louis Orr out of Cinn)...Hell, Richard Manning (Calif)
had decided to go to SU before he even met with an SU recruiter.

But I look at some H.S. blue-chippers that have gotten away (Jerrod Mustaf,
Marcus Liberty, Dennis Scott, Alonzo Mourning, Kenny Anderson), where SU
ended up a poor 2nd or 3rd choice, and say that Boeheim as a person was
out-recruited.

Bob Knight (IMO) would get quality kids at SU too.


Joe

    
    hogwash T, no way the regular season championship is any less
    meaningless because of the post season tournement. Every team
    strives for excellence over a season and the team to beat next
    year is the team who wins the regualr season title not the tourney.
    The tourney is strickly for the fans and the bucks. As a fan I think
    I got my bucks worth and then some at the BET. As a fan I can't 
    believe that you wouldn't rather see duoble headers, 4 games a day
    with all the teams in the conference at the same time. Doesn't make
    any sense to me.....
    
    mike

    CHarles,
    
    Last year 5, this year 7 = 12, average=6, I said 6-7 each year.
    Average-wise, it is correct.
    
    JD

    JD, We all find some ways to make ourselves correct don't we all? 
    
    :) :)

    Jim Boeheim's success in recruiting can be summed up in 2 words:
    Bernie Fine. The absolute best recruiter in country whose not a
    head coach. Look for Adrian Autry, out of NYC, in Orange nexted 
    year. He's been compared to Kenny Anderson, some say (Nike Top 50)
    he's better.
    				Rich
    

    High school seniors do not read this notesfile unfortunately.

    Charles,
    
    Just exactly what are you implying...'-))
    
    JD

    Great debate going!! I hope the Southeast Regional matchups this
    weekend settle some arguments.
    
    I have not been surprised by the ACC's success so far. This was a
    balanced conference all year with no outstanding team. That could hurt
    the ACC this weekend.

    >Why is it that I rebut each of your fibs, mistakes, and other
    >misstatements  with detailed fact and theory...

I don't fib and rarely make mistakes or misstatements.  And none in this context.

Your "rebuts" are nothing more than rewordings of "I really like Bob" and
"Bob is always above criticism" mixed in with your famous style of plausibly
deniable ad hominem attacks.  That's not what I call "detailed fact and
theory", and it does nothing to alleviate Bob from the relative
underachievement of this years Hoosiers.

If I may return your question with a question of my own:
Why do you keep writing notes about me instead of about sports?

Dan

    
    Well T, I sincerly doubt that you speak for all basketball fans out
    there with your tournement views. As far as the games meaning less in
    january hahahahahahaaaaaa, you can't be watching them too closely...
    
    mike

    >You people just don't understand it, do ya.  

Actually, we understand it all too well.  We're hoping that you admit it 
someday.  Hoping in vain, I'm sure.

    >People out here want
    >no part of a post-season redundancy cuz it cheapens the regular
    >season and saps it of significance for two reasons: 1) Each game,
    >even a_early January game, no longer is part of a single champion
    >of the midwest and, 2) the current double round-robin format is
    >absolutely unequivocally equable.

Can you explain, then, why you don't consider last year's edition of the
Hoosiers to have been the best team in the Big 10?  They won the
coveted  and "absolutely unequivocally equable" Big 10 championship,
but since their loss to the Big East's 4th best team in the NCAAs you 
kept pointing to other means of measuring the Hoosiers relative to
the other teams in the Big 10.

If the Big 10 regular season is as meaningful as you say, surely the
conference champion deserves to be anointed as the conference's
best team.

Dan

    T, I'd like to see some data to back up your claim that the midwest
    doesn't want a post-season tourney in the Big10.  (Perhaps you could do
    some random telephone surveys or something.  Try and do enough to make
    it statistically significant though.  ;^))
    
    The reason I think you're wrong is that *EVERY* Big10 coach except for
    BobKnight (correct me if I'm wrong here Charles) was in favor of having 
    a post-season tournament when interviewed prior to the start of the
    season.  
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    ha ha ha ha....whaddya say now Mr. T? 

    Thank you Bob.  Thank you Bob.  Thank you Bob.
    
    Geez, some more initials for MrT.  W.R.O.N.G.
    
    JD ;-)

Well, we see MrT was W.R.O.N.G. again, and he's still blaming me for
the Indiana verifiable high pre-season ranking they got in the 
sports magazines and calling me a liar for stating the facts.  Now, I
won't call him a liar because he got confused and inserted his 
favorite team into a discussion that they did not belong.  That's 
honest confusion brought on by bigotry and jealousy of other
programs.

Dan

    
    RE: way back to .567 
    
    JD,
    So Penn made the Final 4. Was it you or Dan that was ragging on IU for
    losing to Cleveland St.? I don't remember if Cleveland St. made the
    final 4 or not but I do remember that they were definately the surprise
    of that tournament. A bit of the old double standard here, no?
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    
    RE: .573 (hey, I'm busy)
    
    JoJ,
    Obviously one of the two teams that you claim should not have been in
    the tournament is Ohio St. The Ohio St. that took out your "real
    division" Providence and gave UNLV all they wanted.  

    Hoot,
    
    That was Dan.  I haven't ragged on IU at all.  I only made the comment
    about Penn, cuz MrT said UNC lost to Penn, and while I agree that
    was a shocker, at least Penn had the talent to go on to the final
    four, while, for example, Cleveland St., Richmond, et al, didn't
    come close.
    
    And though I didn't bring it up, I felt a 15-12 team such as Ohio
    State (they had 12 losses, right?) shouldn't have made the field.
    It doesn't matter what they did, it would be like saying - see,
    Missouri lost first round, they didnt' deserve to be in.  (And Hoot,
    I'll point out I also said St. John's didn't derserve it, and they
    won in the first round and gave Duke all they could handle...)
    
    JD

>>    I believe UNC lost to the Penn team that made the Final Four - they
>>    weren't shabby - just ask Jeff ;-)

Sorry, been next unseening through this note (and most of the conference). 
Penn was the #64 seed and UNC was a powerhouse that year.  Penn had some
talented players (McDonald went on to play professionally, albeit in another
country ;^)).

j.

    Dan. We're still waiting for the sources of IU's 'pre-season top 10'
    claim.
                                     Denny
    

    Flash!!! Final rankings for the state of Indiana for the 1989-1990
    season are in!!
    
    Academics:
    ---------
    #1- Notre Dame
    #2- Purdue
    #3- Ball State Teachers College
    #4- Indiana University
    
    
    Basketball:
    ----------
    
    #1- Purdue
    #2- Ball State Teachers College
    #3- Notre Dame
    #4- Indiana University
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    ;^)
    
    Chris

JD,

    I assume it was a misprint when you said St Johns didn't deserve it.
St Johns was 23-9 and ranked 25th-30th at the end of the year.  Without
Jason Williams injury they were easily a top 20 team.  I also assume that
you meant 'Nova or St Johns last year.   I believe it was last year when
St John's selection was a total joke.

                                                        Alan

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             -< Hendry's FACKS buttress MrT's FACKs over disinfo >-
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>    re: John Hendry's list
>       
>    WHOA.  Listening to ACCaught and his precious clone I was getting
>    the impression that 'Snuffy almost always made the Sweet 16, but 
>    that just ain't the case.  
    
>    I count at least four first game losses  over the past 15 years
>    or so.  And to some real doozies in Penn, Texas A&M and San Fran.
 
    
    T - here's the history.  Hendry typed in the results.  You typed
    in the note above, include the 'real doozies in Penn,...' line.
    
    I typed in that the Penn team that beat UNC went on to the Final
    Four.  YOu typed in that the H.O.O.S.I.E.R.S. crushed Penn later
    on in the tourney.  Bob Hunt typed in the R.E.A.L. results, showing
    that IU did not make the Final Four, proving you W.R.O.N.G.
    
    Hope that Helped.
    
    JD   

    AOOOOOOOOOOGA!!!   AOOOOOOOOOOOOGA!!
    
    "ALL HANDS PREPARE TO DIVE.  MRT CAUGHT IN LIE.  PREPARE FOR
    OBFUSCATION!"
    

    Hootsie, I never (repeat NEVER) said that Providence was deserving of a
    bid. I simply stated that Ohio Skate did not deserve to be there. You
    can't honestly tell me you believe that Ohio Skate deserved to be in
    the tourny, can you?
    
    Notre Dame also didn't deserve it. 
    
    And, St. Johns was definitely worthy of a bid based on their record.
    
    Hootsie, face it, Ohio Skate was weazled into the tourny just like IU
    and ND by having friends in high places....not due to their "fine???"
    season.
    
    JoJ

Heard from a senior at Syracuse that rumors around campus have Marcus
Liberty transfering to SU if/when Ill gets nailed by the NCAA.  This
wouldn't be a surprise...a few notes back I mentioned he got away from
Boeheim in a recruiting battle with Ill.

I've heard he hasn't lived up to his advance billing....he disappears
at times.  What's the scoop ???


Joe

RE:606

                   SERIOUSLY ROLLWARD, ROBERT! GREAT NOTE!

Mike JN

    re .595
    
    Wrong JD. Cleveland State, led by Mouse MacFadden, in fact made
    it fairly deep into the NCAA's before losing to a David Robinson-led
    Navy team on a couple of *very* questionable calls ....

    re .606
    
    "Multiple chinaware transportation" ?
    
    Fllloooooooooooowaaaaaard ! 
    
    DrM

    Tom,
    
    First of all, I aint patting myself in the back.  No big deal, everyone
    cain make a mistake.
    
    T - I've made my feelings quite clear on why I don't like the major
    conferences getting there 5th, 6th, and 7th best teams in there.
     It a personal preference (SI this week agrees wif me, BTW - FWIW).
    And I didn't single out OSU, I had a few I thought didn't belong.
    
    JD

    The ACC has had practically no presence in the Top 5 either.  As I've
    pointed out in the past, this years conference had quality depth, but
    no superior team(s).  Losing 3 players to the NBA lottery saw
    to that.  No, this years ACC is loaded with youngsters and will be
    a factor in the Top 10 over the next year or two, specially when
    Carolina's youngsters get outa diapers.  So, ... there'll be no 
    recantation from me if we don't show in the F4.
    
    BTW - I could see this JD vs. MrT squabble coming.  It all started 
          way back in 110 when T cleverly saw through JD's sheep clothing 
    	  and (correctly) identified him as an anti-Carolina wolf, thus
    	  denying him of posssible (dare I say probable?) contest 
          "W".  Heh heh!!
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    
    
    

   >Dan. We're still waiting for the sources of IU's 'pre-season top 10'
   > claim.
   >                                  Denny
    
Who's this royal "we" you're speaking for, Denny.  Are you aiming to become
one of MrT's trained human pit bulls too?  The one's whom he unleashes to
snarl and bite anyone who utters any factual negative information about
Bobby Knight and the Indiana Hoosiers or even the Big 10 in general?

Is that your goal here? To become a junior partner in Sports Skinheads?

Well, when you report back to the rest of Sports Skinheads, you guys can 
start the search for this factual information which I entered in this notesfile
yesterday.

Dan

    
    Anybody else getting tired of this "my conference (or team) was
    undermanned/underrated/underprivileged" routine?  It's bad enough
    listening to the arguments about who's best, although at least that 
    kind of argument can be quantified to some degree, without having to 
    get into all the disclaimers and qualifications and excuses and 
    pre-season rankings, as if they actually mean anything.
    
    Let me go on record as saying that the Big Eight was overrated and that
    Oklahoma choked in the tourney (again).  I can admit that without
    going back to the pre-season rankings and showing that the Big Eight
    teams were nowhere in sight.
    
    glenn
      

    Glenn, proud to say that I never do that "my team was undermanned/
    underwhatever" routine!  My team was a good team, underrated at first
    but rightly respected at the end, but it goofed.
    
    How bout that?
    
    Charles

    >on this Bob thing you've blown hot n' bold, and have taken a stone
    >ass-kicking on Fact and Truth and Reason.  [thankyouMr.Cappel :^]

Only in your fantasies.  I have no rebuttal to your blind devotion to
Bobby Knight, so I offer none.  My facts are all facts, and all verifiable.
Indiana was ranked #8 in one of the best magazines of the season and
in the top 16 in the best sports journal on the market.  Everything else
is OTHER OPINIONS, not facts.  

But you've goofed, because even though you claim that OTHER OPINIONS 
have ranked Indiana between 13th and 25th, they still were favored
against the California Golden Bears.  You were caught fibbing there.

And they still lost to the California Golden Bears, and I'll bet even through
the soft soap you were peddling that everyone's so tired of and sees
the hypocrisy of, that you expected your heroes to beat the very beatable
Golden Bears.  Didn't you?  

There's another question for you to avoid.  Now step up to the podium and
obfuscate past this question.   I'm still waiting to hear how you reconcile
IU's title and then the claim that they're only 4th best with the claim of that
winning the title is so important.  (Well actually, I do, but I want to hear it
from your Bush-like 

Dan

Oh, T, you've fallen so far.  We're dealing with the first round loss to 
California and the relative underachievement of that feat.  But if you must...

    >- Jay Edwards did NOT have his scholarship reinstated "when basketball
    >  season rolled around"

There was a basketball season.  Jay Edwards did play.  His scholarship was
reinstated.  All FACTS!

    >- I NEVER applied my "simple model" to single year conference comparisons
    >  as you claim (i.e., there are 19 possible winners in my model, not 
    >  one, as you falsely claim)

I never claimed that you didn't apply your simple model to 20 years.  I do
state that when you try to hang Dean Smith for getting to the Sweet Sixteen
this year, that you are implicitly applying your model to this year.

    >- No evidence exists that Bob has significantly more first game tourney
    >  losses than Reverend Underachievement, as you claim 

Since the sentence says nothing, let me say this.  A mountain of evidence
exists that proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that Bob has significantly
more first game tourney losses since the field expanded to 64 or during the
last decade than Dean Smith, the man you're so jealous of.

Now come back with answers to my questions or should I take your silence
as cowardice?

Dan

    How many Big 10 Teams in the Final Four?
    
    NAZZ
    

    
    Surprised you would stoop to that after that screwing in New Orleans,
    Nazz.

    Well, all you Big-Tenners can cheer for Wisconsin in the hockey
    semifinals and finals against BC, BU and Colgate.
    
    John

    Sometimes, winning is not everything.....
    
    Do I really believe in that :) :)
    
    Charles

    You're right HOOT, it was a bit of a cheap shot.  I just don't
    feel ANY conference should have 70% of its membership in the
    tourney.  Seven chances to reach the final four, and getting
    none in, says something about the strength of the conference,
    and the bias of the selection committee toward major conferences.
    
    Either open up the tournament to everyone, or limit the number of
    slots per conference to half of its membership.
    
    NAZZ

>    I just don't
>    feel ANY conference should have 70% of its membership in the
>    tourney.

The only Big 10 school that was a question-mark (IMO) was Indiana, and
they had some good wins.  The other schools all played good non-conference
schedules, and deserved to be in (again, IMO).

The schools that are WHINING about their conferences only getting 1-2-3
teams in the tournament should take a look at their schedules and start
playing some teams from the BIG conferences.  If the Big 8, Big 10 and
Big East weren't the elite conferences this year, then schedule games
with them so you can PROVE IT to the pollsters and the NCAA selection
committee.  If you don't compete against those clubs, you've got no
reason to complain when someone votes their way and not your's.


Joe

    re: Joe
    
    How on earth can you justify Ohio State's appearence in the Tourny?
    
    JoJ

    re .629: Easy for YOU to say! Obviously you haven't tried to do that.
    
    The "Bigtime Schools" won't touch you. If you aren't on their schedule
    they say," Nope. Not this year. Don't call us, we'll call you".
    
    UNM has an invitaional tournament every year, and until the last 2-3
    years it has always had a BigTen school there (OSU, Mich. State,
    Wisconsin in the last five years. Now these teams refuse to come out.
    Not because of the buck$ (the Lobo Invitational has one of the larger
    purses for an invitational) but because these teams only have a
    cerrtain number of non-league games and they don't want to waste them
    on possible up&comers. Bob Knight does play at UTEP but only because he
    and Don Haskins have been fishing buddies for thirty years.
    
    I'll TELL you what New Mexico had to do to get Georgetown to agree to
    a home&home series. They had to guarantee that G'town got:
    	100% of the gate in Albuquerque and
    	100% of the gate in Washington.
    
    And most of the "Bigtime Schools" won't even look at a team for that.
    
    They don't WANT to play good up&coming schools. Even when NMSU got into
    the Final Four in 1970 the best they could do was schedule up&coming
    teams like Un. ALA-Birm'ham and Univ. South Ala.
    
    Because the bigtime schools would rather play stiffs (or each other on 
    national TV for the ca$h) than play the up&comers.
    
    So your solution doesn't wash.
    
    Either ONE team per conference or ALL teams is the only equitable
    solution. But will these get implemented? Nope. Because the chairman of
    the selection committee is from one of the BigTime Conferences.
    (If you don't know he is the chairman of the BigTen, which also goes a
    long way in explaining why there were seven from that conference.
    
    ...mike
    

    Re: on OSU for JoJ
    
    Don't want to repeat myself on what many said prior to the selection.
    
    Just look at the Providence game and the way they played UNLV.  They
    certainly played it closer than LMU.  That game alone, although it is
    already a tournament game, justify the selection (retrospectively :) ?)
    
    Charles

    Re. -1:
    
    Excellent note, Mike.
    
    I know that Boston University and Northeastern have had the same
    problem scheduling "Big-Name" schools.  Boston College flat-out
    refuses to play either of them, even in tournaments, which is why
    the old Colonial Classic will never get off the ground, even though
    a lot of people are pushing for it.  B.C. won't play the other local
    schools, and the tourney won't be profitable without B.C.  Few of the
    "big-time" programs will come to Boston and risk a W.  I know both
    B.U. and Northeastern have offered schools 2-for-1 deals (two home
    games vs. one visit to Boston) and have been turned down.  Maryland
    came up here this year and B.U. beat 'em at the Garden, completely
    outplayed them.  Northeastern played Houston at home and lost by 3.
    Neither B.U. or Northeastern had very good teams this year, either, but
    they are competitive, if given the chance.
    
    NAZZ

    I agree.  Sometimes it is the big name schools that is dodging these
    teams struggling for recognition.  These teams are not that good but on
    a good day can pull up an upset at home.  So the Big conference teams
    are reluctant to play them, and stick to those Maryland-Eastern Central
    Shore of Turtle Bay, Midwestern Central Michigan a little to the North,
    and so on.  
    
    As for Boston, I certainly hope there can be more Big Ten teams coming
    to this area to play teams like BU or NU, but the problems are not just
    that the Big teams won't want to come, it is also that the local fan
    interest for college hoops other than BC (which is not *that* good
    really either considering the standard for the real Big conferences) is
    so poor that....  Look at this season when BU played at the Garden
    against Michigan the then defending national champs.  They still
    couldn't fill it up.  
    
    And for BC, if they play BU or NU these couple of years, they will
    definitely lose.  Maybe that's why they want to avoid it.  I guess
    other Big East fellow schools would like BC to avoid the humiliation to
    keep a good Big name for the conference also.
    
    Charles

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: BIG TEN TOURNAMENT REPORT (3-26-90)  (NCAA)
Summary: At least PSU is still in it...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
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The end of a great season for the Big Ten, which just missed getting a
team into the Final Four from the Southeast Region.  Last year, the Big Ten got
two teams into the Final Four, this year none.  The league was much more
balanced from top-to-bottom this year than last, accounting for the large
number of tournament teams.  But there were no "superteams" like last year's
Michigan and Illinois.  I'm not surprised that the Big Ten is done.  I will 
follow Penn State as far as they go in the NIT, then retire for the year!!!
 
 
Friday's Results:
 
 
	#6 MINNESOTA (23-8) 82, #2 Syracuse (26-7) 75 (at New Orleans):  Before
	a paltry crowd of just over 18,000 in the Superdome, the Golden
	Gophers got control of the game with 9 minutes left and never trailed
	again.  Syracuse, which had trouble shooting FTs at the Superdome
	during the 1987 championship game, was just 8-20 in this one, which
	certainly didn't help it's cause.  The Gophers were able to get the
	shots they wanted all night, and played just enough defense to stave
	the Orangemen off.  This was a terrific win for Minnesota as far
	as stature goes.  Most people in the Big Ten would have said that
	the Gophers could win this one, but most others would have probably
	thought not.  And this with Willie Burton having an off-night!!
	The Gophers lose most of the team to graduation, so the determination
	is there.  Another good job by Clem Haskins.
 
	18,000!!  And you wonder why LSU was placed in this region???  A
	bunch of "potential" money was lost here by LSU not advancing out
	of Knoxville...
 
 
	#4 Georgia Tech (27-6) 81, #1 MICHIGAN STATE (28-6) 80 (OT) (at
	New Orleans):  One of the tournament's great ballgames, but it will
	be remembered for it's controversy.  Was Kenny Anderson's game-
	tying shot released before the horn or not?  From my TV view and
	mega-slow motion replays, it appeared that MSU probably won this
	game in regulation.  But, what a difficult assignment for the
	officials!  The replay thing has been debated.  When the stakes
	are large, maybe it wouldn't hurt to use it.  The refs were definitely
	more preoccupied with the 3-point vs. 2-point question in this
	instance.  I hate to see tournament games end with this type of
	controversy.  Unfortunately, MSU has been on the short end of the
	stick on two of these situations now in the last 5 years.  But, 
	Georgia Tech played the better overtime, deserved to win it, and 
	is certainly a great representative for the Final Four.  MSU's Steve 
	Smith, Mr. Clutch, could have made all of this moot by making at least 
	one of his FTs with 4 ticks left.  State had a problem with FTs
	during the final minutes of games all year, so it's no surprise 
	that this is what eliminated them.  Smith was fairly immune to it
	though, so the fact that it was him who missed is surprising.  MSU
	had a *great* season, and Jud and the Spartan fans have much to
	look forward to next year!!  Perhaps they can build on this experience
	like Minnesota did from last year...
 
Sunday's Results:
 
	#4 Georgia Tech (28-6) 93, #6 MINNESOTA (23-9) 91 (at New Orleans):
	The Gophers gave it all they had, and it wasn't until Kevin Lynch's
	last, well-defended trifecta attempt went astray and horn sounded
	that they succumbed.  The Gophers let a 12-point, 42-30 lead slip
	away late in the first half, as the Jackets got back to 49-47 at
	the break.  Tech led much of the second half, but not by more than
	5 points.  The Gophers also led on several occasions, but the last
	few minutes of the first stanza seemed to change the game.  Lynch
	missed a couple of key FTs down the stretch again (like against
	MSU late in the season), but otherwise did well.  The Oliver-
	Anderson-Scott trio (89 points) was just too much to overcome.
	Willie Burton's monster trifecta gave the Gophers a chance at
	93-91 and several seconds left, as did Anderson's miss of the
	front end of a bonus with 4 or so seconds left.  But, Lynch
	was well-guarded, and the final shot failed.  Another great season
	for Minnesota, and the end of an era.  The Gophers will be hard
	pressed to make the Big Ten's upper division next year.  Georgia
	Tech now faces the high-flyin', slam-jammin' Runnin' Rebels of
	UNLV.  Good Luck!!!
 
 
Tonight (NIT):
 
	Penn State (24-8) vs. Vanderbilt (19-14) (ESPN, 6:00 pm CST)
	Saint Louis (20-11) vs. New Mexico or Hawaii (ESPN, after 1st game)
 
 
"Lynch gets a taste of Rejection City!... That's the Intimidation City of
    the shot blocker of Rejection Row!... Uh-oh.  Turnover City!"  DICK VITALE
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    Now before I continue, I would like to declare to all that please take
    this one lightly, and gently for a Big Ten fan who has seen no good
    news for the conference except this one (kind of) for the recent days.

    I know I am opening up an old rathole all over again, but here it is, 
    facts :)  And my objective analysis comes after this reply in the next.

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From: LEUNG@ee.tamu.edu
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Subject: Total R&D Spending for Fiscal 1988 in US
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From: LEUNG@EE.TAMU.EDU
 
FYI:
According to NSF, the following show only the R&D expenditures in science and
engineering (exculding arts, education, law, PE etc.):
 
All funds are in millions:
 
                 US Funds     Total Funds
                 --------     -----------
John Hopkins       509        557
Standford          233        278
Cornell            154        272
UWMadison          163        271
MIT                210        270
UMinnesota         120        252
UMich              161        250
TexasA&M            90        231
UCLA               147        209
UCSD               160        200
UIUrbana           110        197
UCSF               138        193
UWash              160        191
Harvard            133        190
PennStateU         106        188
UCBerkeley         117        186
UTAustin            90        173
Yale               133        162
Columbia           140        161
UPenn              115        159
UArizona            73        156
UCDavis             63        155
OhioStateU          69        154
USC(Cal)           113        150
UGeorgia            40        138
UMaryland,C.P.      55        136
GeorgiaTech         79        132
UColorado           96        128
Purdue              64        119
WashU               89        118
MichiganStateU      50        116
 
Other well-known U.:
 
NCarolinaStateU     34        115
Duke                86        114
UNC, ChapelHill     83        107
Northwestern        54        103
UTenn               43        102
UPitt               73         99
UChicago            81         98
CarnegieMellon      63         94
CalTech             80         93
UMass               52         93
VPI                 34         90
UConn               39         89
Princeton           47         77
UIChicago           40         76
UCIrvine            43         60
UCSB                36         47
 
Again, the above figures are in million and are for Fiscal 1988 according to
National Science Foundation (NSF).
      
US Funds listed in the means fund provided by the Federal Govenrment.
Total Funds include all Federal, State, City, Industry, Private Donation etc.
 
--J. Leung
  EE, TAMU

    Now the breakdown by conference in the Top 31:
    
    Big Ten		7	(not including Penn State, which would make
    				 it 8!!)
    	- who's missing:  Northwestern, Iowa, Indiana
    Pac Ten		6
    Ivy League		5
    SWC			2
    ACC			2 	
    	- but NCSU, UNC and Duke follows closely but I do not know where
          exactly they place after #31 MSU, so ACC is "better than it
          looks."
    SEC			1
    Big Eight		1
    Big East		0
    
    I know I know, it's just science and engineering, and those schools and
    conferences which are excluded can claim to be good in those instead.
    Sure.  But at least this makes a Big Ten fan happy for a day, and it's
    worth it.
    
    Charles

    But Charles....what in the world does Science and Engineering have to
    do with Big Ten basketball? 
    
    JoJ

    re JoJ
    
    	It's simple you nimrod.......basketball players overcome the
    	acceleration due to gravity by........EVERYBODY EXCEPT LARRY
    	BIRD!
    
    Claybone :^)

    Re: JoJ
    Only when none of the Big Ten teams are left in the tournament :)

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Keady's Comments, after simmering down...
Message-ID: <1990Mar28.180142.11199@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
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I thought you would like to see some of these comments from the Exponent,
courtesy of Mike Tresnak:
 
EXPONENT:  YOU PUBLICLY BLAMED THE OFFICIALS A FEW TIMES THIS SEASON, 
ESPECIALLY AFTER THE MICHIGAN STATE AND TEXAS GAMES.  WHAT DO YOU FEEL 
NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT OFFICIATING IN THE BIG TEN AND IN THE NCAA?
 
KEADY:  I'd like to have the coaches have some input and have (them)
listen to us.  It's kind of like you've got your hands tied.  I'd like to 
see us have better training situations.  Because other leagues, like the
ACC, have the officials come to summer camps and work together as teams.  
We should also take a hard look at the instant replay the last two 
minutes, take a hard look at the one-and-one situation the last two
minutes, and take a hard look at the charge-block rule.  To blast off
like I did was because of frustrating things leading up to that and
I just got tired of seeing the kids crying their eyes out over 
something I just felt wasn't handled correctly.  This is a free
country and you have freedom of speech.  This is the only profession I 
know that you don't have freedom of speech.  It's probably better to just 
shut up and go on.
 
	Yes...
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    Found the complete Top 100 list of most funded colleges in terms of
    science and engineering research according to the National Science
    Foundation, and so found out that the Big Ten Schools are all in the 
    Top 100 and in addition to the seven (not including Penn State) ranked
    in the previous reply ranked inside the Top 31, there are also 
    Northwestern at #40, Iowa at #47 and Indiana at #63.  The Big Ten 
    schools combine to hold the highest total for a "conference" at 
    $1,630.2 millions.  If Penn State (#15) is to be included the total 
    will become $1818.6 millions.  (Of course, we won't bother to include
    for the Big Ten the University of Chicago, a former and charter member
    of the Big Ten, at #44, which is still a close ally to Big Ten schools
    in research and academics though not sports.)  
    
    The second is the Pac Ten with 8 of the 10 schools in the Top 100
    (ASU and Oregon are not included) with a complete total of $1,259.7 
    millions.  The Ivy League is third with 6 of the 8 schools included 
    (except Dartmouth and Brown) with a total of $1021.4 millions.  
    
    The only other conference with all its members in the Top 100 is the
    Big Eight (surprise!) although the highest one is Colorado at #28, and
    the conference total is only $543.4 millions, less than ACC (7 schools,
    in addition to Maryland and Georgia Tech listed in previous reply in 
    the Top 31, NC State #32, Duke #35, UNC #37, UVa #62 and Clemson #91) 
    at $728.0 millions, SEC at $591.1 millions and SWC at $563.3 millions.  
    
    The Big East has only three schools included in the Top 100: Pitt
    highest at only #43, and also Connecticut (#50) and Georgetown (#94).
    
    Charles            

    JD, I know you're in here somewhere...
    
    Happy Birthday Big Guy!  Number 31 ain't too shabby, is it?
    
    
    Spud

    In an interview for Gene Keady by the Purdue Exponent, there are the
    following excerpts, in addition to his comments on his blasts against
    the officiating posted before:
    
    "(The season's biggest disappointment is) Not being able to win more
    than 50% of our last 12 games, we were 6-6.  You always want to finish
    the season strong and we weren't able to do that.  Maybe we were
    playing our best in December and January, who knows.  I think other
    teams just played better.  I always blame myself if we didn't play
    good."
    
    "I don't have any idea (about the repercussions against his comments). 
    It's something I feel right for the game and to help the game of
    basketball is what I'm interested in."
    
    "(Not reaching the final four) is not frustrating.  You want to do it
    and certainly it's very rewarding to do it.  But that can't be a factor
    in keeping in the profession.  The more you worry about that, the more
    uptight you get."
    
    "We're trying to get players that will get their degrees.  We're in a
    tough league and a tough state.  Bob Knight has won some national
    championships at Indiana and the high school kids growing up here think
    they want to play at Indiana because of that.  So, until we do that, I
    think we'll have that problem."
    
    "(NBA type players) always carry you.  If you look at the past few
    years - Manning did it in Kansas, Michigan had about four NBA players. 
    This year, UNLV and Arkansas have four or five.  The thing we work at
    hardest is recruiting,  I think next year will be a good year for us."
    
    "I never dwell on (that Illinois is loomed with probable NCAA probation
    which may help Purdue's recruiting) too much.  First of all, they are
    not on probation now.....What I founf out in this game is that what you
    think is going to happen, the opposite will happen.  Recruiting is a
    funny thing."
    
    "We haven't anything to do with (accusing Illinois of cheating over the
    years).  We don't know of anything we can prove.  We're like everybody
    else, we hear things.  But unless we have sound proof, we have nothing
    to do with it."
    
    "Eveidently (overcoming the domination ofKnight in the state) it's
    pretty tough.  We haven't done a very good job of it in my mind, as far
    as getting NBA players.  We've won a lot of games, but as far as
    getting into the final 16, 8 or 4, we haven't done a very good job - if
    that's what the measure of success is.  I'm not sure that's the measure
    of success.  We just try to get our kids to graduate, play hard, and
    set good images."
    
    "(That by turning down Arizona State last spring he made a long term
    commitment to Purdue) is probably unwritten that way, but I've never
    really said anything that way."
    
    "I've enjoyed all my years here.  With a few breaks here and there we
    could've won another Big Ten title last season, and that would've been
    4 out of the last 7 years.  That's almost dominating the league.  But,
    1984 was great because nobody expected us to what we did since we were
    picked ninth."
    
    "We've had a lot of good (players).  Mark Atkinson might have been the
    most versatile.  Ricky Hall was a great defensive player.  Jim Rowinski
    was a story that was unbelievable.  Troy Lewis scored 2,000 points. 
    Todd Mitchell had a great career.  Melvin McCants scored over 1,000
    points here and Stephen Scheffler was kind of a fairy-tale thing. 
    James Bullock made All-Big Ten and he wasn't supposed to.  It's been
    really interesting.  I've enjoyed all my players."
    
    "(One of his future goals for the program is) to get some NBA players. 
    Our goal have always been to get to the Final Four and win the national
    title.  And I don't think you can do that realistically without NBA
    players, unless you're really lucky.  Our luck has been unlucky."
    

    re: Charles
    
    Last night at the NCAA Champeeeenship game, this guy about three rows
    back reminded me of you....Duke was down by about 24 points at the
    time, and the UNLV fans were taunting the Duke Jihad with "We're number
    one" chants.
    
    So, this guy stands up (I was sitting in the Duke section), and starts
    yelling about UNLV's crummy academics....I was rolling. I can't
    remember exactly, but I think he was chanting "Prop 48, Prop 48".
    
    It reminded me of your Science and Engineering note after the Big Ten
    had bowed out of the tourny. 
    
    Nothing personal, just an observation....
    
    JoJ
    

    Wish I could be there :)

    Hey Wardle-next-year,
    
    What did you pay for your coveted ducket?
    
    
    Spud

	When the NCAA Coaches were meeting in Denver, one of the papers
sponsored a mini-survey for them to fill out. A couple of things of interest.

Conference rated overall toughest year to year by all the coaches:

Big Ten

Coach rated by all the coaches as best "X's and O's" Coach:

Bobby Knight

	to be fair, Snuffy Smif was right there in the running, but BK got 1st

Knight also came in high in several of the other categories. The fact that it
was all the coaches responding lent it a little more validity (I thought) than
the usual survey which involves a lot of ballot stuffing by interested fans or
compromised media.

Mike JN

    > Knight also came in high in several other categories.
    
    Yup, no question.  Like "Most Obnoxious", "Most likely to act like a
    crazy man", and "Most tyrannical".
    
    Heh heh!
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    Spud, I paid face value...$56.00
    
    Got from a Duke Alum.
    
    JoJ

    Spud,
    
    Thanks, - was 'out' yesterday ;-)  Happy belated birthday to you
    to.  31 ain't much different than 30, is it?
    
    You running Boston thised year?
    
    JD

    Thanks JD.
    
    Nah, no marathons this year.  Maybe nexted year.  I did run a St.
    Pat's Day 8K a few weeks ago in St. Paul.  I was surprised that
    I came in with a 36:48, becuase I hadn't been training at all. 
    I even did an un-Spudlike 6:10 in the last (5th) mile!
    
    31 is about the same as 30 - no big deal.  Hope you had a good one
    as well.
    
    
    Spud

    AWRIGHT, COME OUT WITH YOUR KEYBOARDS UP!  THIS IS THE LOCATION 
    NOTE (TM) POLICE.  WE HAVE YOU SURROUNDED.  SURRENDER NOW AND 
    NOBODY'S TERMINAL WILL GET HURT!
    
    Claybone   :^)

IN YER EAR COPPER....YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE.....

LOOKIT ME, MA, I'M ON TOPPA DA WOILD!

    Jeff Sagarin's Final Computer Rankings Top 10
    
    1.  UNLV
    2.  Oklahoma
    3.  Kansas
    4.  Arizona
    5.  Georgia Tech
    6.  Uconn
    7.  Georgetown
    8.  Duke
    9.  Arkansas
    10.  Alabama
    
    Lots of Big 10 schools in there!!!!
    
    
    JD

    Too bad, for excitement's sake, OU hadn't played UNLV in the
    final.  Two fast teams in the big one could have been much
    better than the sleepfest last night.
    
    Cowboy
    

    And to fuel the fire, are ya listening:
    
    Dan Sheridan picks Indiana to be nexted year's #1 team in the nation.
    Ya hear that MrT.  They've already been ranked #1 by one of the
    services.   Just thought y'all wanna hear that news.
    
    JD  

    JD, you might wanna mark that reply so that when T says that they were
    picked for last you won't have to look it up.
    
    JoJ

    HaHa JimWa,
    
    I saved the note after entering it.  FWIW, SHeridan's picks for
    the 1991 Final Four are Indiana as champeen, with ALabama, Arkansas
    and UCONN as the other finalists.
    
    The All-Tourney Final FOur team was:
    
    Anderson Hunt, Larry Johnson and Stacey Augmon of UNLV
    Phil Henderson of Duke
    Dennis Scott of Georgia Tech
    
    For the Record, the 3 highest winning scores in the FInal Four have
    all come at the expense of Duke - 1990 UNLV - 103; 1964 UCLA- 98;
    1978 Kentucky - 94.

    Geez, one guy picks Indiana to be #1 next year and you guys
    are gonna use it to bash T with if they don't live up to this
    "enlightened one's" expectations?  Gimme a break.  The '91
    Final Four, according to Clayfus T. Wade, will be Air Force,
    Army, Navy, and the Citadel.  There T, you're off the hook.
    
    Claybone

    DOn't worry Clay - I'll save that note too to gety back at ya!
    
    ;-)
    
    Sarge
    

    	Why did Danny picked Indiana to be #1 in the nation, anyways?
    I really like them but what player/s are going to make the big
    difference between this year's and nexted?  
    	Seems to me UNLV is going to be the powerhouse if Johnson stays.
    They should get some good freshmen recruits.
    
    sean

    	Knight's kool.  The team is young.  They started out pretty
    good (10-0 I believe) but once they got into conference play they
    choked.  #1 though??  It'd be great if it'd happen 8^)
    
    sean

    IU deserves the #1 ranking based on the strength of last years
    recruiting year (everybody had 'em either 1, 2, or 3, along with
    Georgia Tech and LSU).  Of that stellar class, only Lawrence
    Thundeburke has left, which is a pretty good track record for Bob Camp.
    
    And of course, next year they get Damon Bailey, who's coming in with as
    much hype as a Super Bowl, Sugar Ray fight, or Evil Kneivel canyon
    jump.
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    Not many teams *deserve* the #1 ranking.  I believe only 3 teams,
    that were ranked #1 at the beginning of the year, have won the
    national championship.  It is all purely speculation.  It just
    appears to me that a few of us *unbiased* Indiana observers are
    building them up so that if they fail, mucho fun will be had at
    T's expense.  Tisn't fair IMHO.
    
    Claybone

What's the word about Funderburke returning to Indiana. The rumor is that
IU will still not let him out of his commitment and that he's reenrolled
in Summer school.

Anyone in the know?
TTom

    Arizona has a lot of underclassmen returning also.

Slightly changing the subject, last week I saw a story
on 20/20 about the former IU player who was paralyzed in a
car crash.  (Sorry, my Alzheimer's prevents me from remembering
the kids name)...

It was quite a story.

I know I'm gonna sound like that Sportswriter when he says he likes
Lambeer, but I'm gonna tell you that I do like Bob Knight.  I thought
he was portrayed as a kind, compassionate caring individual in the
story.  He gave what, to me, was a totally riveting interview.

It's an amazing story.  For what could be termed a tragedy it had
a positive upbeat ending.

'Saw

    > a_open question whether Bob'd take him.
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!  Good one T.  Put this one in the book:  If Lawrence
    Funderburke decides he wants to play for the Hucksters (tm) next year
    and his grades are passable, there's no way (read ZERO) that
    Knight's gonna keep him off the team.  None.  Knight has a proven track
    record that when the cupboards bare, principle cain be sacrificed.
    (Can you say Jay Edwards?  I knew you could.)
    
    As to this IU superstar that Bob's got lined up, has Illinois been to
    visit the lad yet?  (Presumably with pocket book open?)  Or any other
    coaches who can recruit?  If I were an IU fan I wouldn't be counting my
    studs yet.  Not the way quality big men are slipping through the
    cracks.
    
    Heh heh!
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    
    

    Hey Mr. T...what in the world to "grad" students have to do with hoops?
    
    When are you big ten bigots gonna drop this academics crap (Frank, fill
    in any definition for crap). Face the facks(tm), academics and college
    hoop have nothing to do with each other.
    
    JoJ

Re John Hendry:

	Thanks.  I knew Landon was one name, but I couldn't
	for the life of me remember the rest.  Anyway, it was
	a touching story.

	At one point after the accident, while Turner was still
	in a coma, the doctors asked Coach Knight to come in and
	talk to him.  Knight went in and started to talk softly
	to Turner.  The doctor said, "No, no, talk to him like
	you would at practice".  Knight said to the interviewer
	that he wondered if the doctor knew what he was asking
	for!
	
	Quite a story...


Re JoJ:

	Since I'm highly in favor of academics (every person should
	be able to appreciate Shakespeare or Sir Walter Scott, and
	be familiar with at least one opera) I can't say the the
	crap in this case would be of the SLOF(tm) variety.

	Let's just say the it's crap-crap....you know, that semi
	formed, semi-sensed, can't tell what kinda crap it is crap....

    > It was *I* who entered all the crop plaudits.   
	
Yea, and it was you who quickly backtracked when the losses started
piling up, claiming that poor Bob didn't have any big guys.  Never
mind that he ran his most studly frosh big guy off (certainly not the first
time) or that he's got one of *the* high profile programs in the country
that has no plausible excuse for not getting at least average quality
big people (except maybe the fact that fellow-Big10 member Illinois seems
to have this nasty habit of paying top dollar for top players).  

    > Let's call it "truth control" and be done with it.

One persons "truth" is anothers "spin".  IMHO you is spinnin' like an
out-of-control jet that's plummeting to earth at Mach 2.  THE GROUNDS
APPROACHING FAST, MAN!!  (In other words, "The ACC Chris Truth Patrol" is 
on the march, and he ain't gonna take your lies, hypocrisy, or facks.
:^|)
    
    
>    I've never heard of a_eligible star taking out a loan to pay his
>    own way in order to get a shot at making the roster.  Have you?

This loan business is so much the joke.  Here's a kid who gets run off
the team and then wants back.  Why?  Cause just as Mr. Funderburke is
finding out, the NCAA is like the old AT&T.  It's a M-O-N-O-P-O-L-Y.  See, 
in order for Larry or Jay to get to play again, they'd have to put up with
the ole sit-out-a-year law, which, despite its inherient unAmerican and
unConstitutional nature, is business-as-usual in college athletics.

All of this assumes Bob was good enough to release them from their
scholarship, which in the case of Funderburke he apparently wasn't willing
to do.  Not unpredictably, Lawrence has crawled back into town to beg 
forgiveness, in hopes of being able to play again and work towards his goal 
of earning a nice living in the NBA.  

See, there's simply not much of an option left for Larry, just as their
wasn't for Edwards.  The only thing they can do is sit out a year, which
everybody agrees puts a kid at a significant competitive disadvantage.

Is it any wonder Bob feels at ease to scream at kids, yell obscenities at 
them, demean them, insult them, and kick them off the team a couple of times 
a week???   This kicking 'em off the team stuff is particularly vulgar, 
especially in cases involving kids who are potential NBAers.  Not only are 
they off the team and their scholarship possibly on the line, but their 
future livelihood is being dangled in front of 'em.  The fact that he 
always takes 'em back makes no difference.  It's psychological warfare the 
Koreans would be proud of.

YUCK.


- ACC Chris
    

    Wonderful.   
    
    Here it is just 2 days after the 1990 championship game and we've
    got the makings of yet another incredibly fruitless Bob Knight
    filibuster.   Get ready, guys, here it comes ...
    
    You said this.  No, I didn't.  
    
    You're a liar.  No, you're a liar. 
    
    This is you ... booga, booga, booga.  
    Well, this is you ... aaack, aaack, aaack.
    
    Knight is God.  Dean is God.	Knight is God.  Dean is God.
    Knight is God.  Dean is God.	Knight is God.  Dean is God.
    Knight is God.  Dean is God.	Knight is God.  Dean is God.
    Knight is God.  Dean is God.	Knight is God.  Dean is God ...
    
    Please give it a rest.   The 1991 season is a good 6 months away.
    
    Bob Hunt

    > Are you saying that Bob is the only coach in the country
    > who yells at his players?
    
    No.  But I would go so far as to say that Fight (tm), with his highly
    publicized tirades on the sidelines, helped make the practice
    acceptable behavior.  
    
    
    > Your flawed analogy between Funderburke and Edwards
    
    There's nothing wrong with my analogy if you understand my point.  Once
    a kid signs his Letter of Intent, his coach holds all his cards.  Why,
    in a nice little photo opportunity-style publicity stunt, he could even
    force his prize player to pay his own way for a semester.  
    
    Again I say, ....
    
    YUCK.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

Kinght will play for Knight.

Patrick Knight, son of Bobby Knight, will play for Indiana next year.
Asked about his father's "famous temper" (USA Today's words), Patrick
said that he's used to it, misses it, and that it makes him work harder.

An interesting point here: Patrick graduated last year from high school.
This year he's playing at a post-graduate prep school and next year he
anticipates being red-shirted. Interesting academic/athletic progress.

TTom

    Pat Knight attended New Hampton Prep School up in New Hampshire
    this past season.  Lots of kids go the Prep School route for either
    academics or because they need another year to grow athletically.
    The Prep Schools here in New England are good.  Tim Knight, Bob's
    older son, works for his dad coordinating camps, speaking engagements
    and so forth.
    
    John

    I think he may have enrolled there (as opposed to UNM, and Virginia,
    bith of which he said he'd play for, but didn't) but I don't think he
    ever played there. I might be wrong, though... I was once.
    
    ...mike
    
    

    The last note was in reference to Haywood, not Patrick Knight. I don't
    think Knight ever told UNM he'd play for them. His daddy did tell UNM he'd
    coach for them, but backed out when half the state of Indiana was laid
    at his feet.

    Hey T,
    
    I merely put in some information I got out of USA Today - I didn't
    make it up.  Perhaps we should just declare that as of now, Indiana
    is the worse basketball team in the nation.  That way, no matter
    how they do, they will be 'overachieving'.
    
    JD

    How good a player is Patrick Knight?

    Re:.695
    JD, I've always declared that the Purdue is the most undermanned team
    in the Big Ten and consistently the most overachieving. :) :)
    
    Charles

    Charles,
    
    In the same article, it said Purdue didn't recruit well and wold
    be hurt by graduation, so they expect them to be in the lower half
    of the Big10.
    
    Right on course for some overachieving, Charles!  ;-)
    
    JD

    Charles,
    
    Pat Knight is a good player fundamentally but I don't expect him
    to see more than 2-3 minutes per game mainly as a role player.
    
    Excellent shooter, but doesn't have the speed or power to get his
    shot off under intense defensive pressure.
    
    Cap

>    For instance, this latest iteration of the Bob-UnderAchievementFace
>    debate is the direct result of two weeks of juciy bait set by ol'
>    ACConfessed.  Go complain to him over in 25 if you decide you don't
>    want this; don't clog our little Mecca here with your personal-level
>    junk notes willya.  

Hey, it taint my fault new evidence has emerged in this long running
debate.  (i.e. IU picked (rightfully) #1 in USA for '90-'91 hoop season.)
Anyways as far as I know a sports discussion ain't off limits in the
SPORTS conference.  Sheesh.

    
>    It's clearly flawed 

No, it's clearly accurate.

> cuz Bob gave Jay his unconditional release when he threw him off the team 
> for poor study habits and postitive unconstiutional drug test results, as 
> he has similarly given releases to others in the past (e.g., Tommy Baker, 
> Mike Miday, Mike Giomi, Delray Brooks,Rickey Calloway, etc.).  
    
How come Bob didn't offer these dudes the chance to pay and play then?
[Cause their talents didn't come up to snuff and the cupboard wasn't 
bare, that's why.]  


>    Btw, I've been absent somewhat and must've missed your retraction
>    about 'Snuff being "more consistent" in the NCAAs than Bob.  Could
>    you post the note number please so I cain enjoy this fine note that
>    certainly must be in here somewheres [sic]?
    
Since you've been away you apparently also missed the fact that your
statistical gatherer (Cap) just got caught in a major slip (lie), landing
him with a big credibility problem.  Seems I'm gonna have to research
this one myself before I accept the "fact" that Bob has a higher win pct
than Dean.

However, even if Cap is correct it should be pointed out that the 2 are
so close percentage-wise (Dean, of course, has many more wins) it's pretty
much statistically insignificant, IMHO.  


- ACC Chris
    

    
    Hey Cyst,
    
    I didn't get caught in a lie, I entered in something in a hurry
    and did not re-read my reply.  I meant Dean held the record for
    the worst NCAA championship defeat and he did until this year.
    It was a simple mistake and I admitted it.  I don't give a sheet
    if you disagree with me or hate Bob Knight but if you're going to
    be an a$$hole about things than that's another story.  The only
    reason I knock Snuffy is because of the hatchet job that you like
    to pull on Knight.  Kind of fighting fire with fire.
    
    Don't bite off more than you can chew
    
    Cap

One way of looking at the NCAA tournament is that if you make it into the
tournament, you've made your budget. It has to be considered an
accomplishment. Now, if you're trying to go to DECatholon, just getting
in don't get it.

Now in those terms, who has made DECatholon the most: Dean or Bob Knight?

TTom

    Cap if you are right about Pat Knight's minutes in IU then he should
    head to West Lafayette.  I can imagine the TV story if Pat Knight plays
    for Keady in the IU-PU game....well, dreams...
    
    Charles

    OK, T, I have to agree with you.  Keady is a choke artist, no question. 
    He wins all these games and conference titles that he is supposed to, 
    with a great cast, NBA caliber players like Mark Atkinson, Steve Reid, 
    Melvin McCants, Todd Mitchell, Ricky Hall, Greg Eiffert, Mack Gadis, 
    Steve Scheffler, Troy Lewis, Ryan Berning, Jim Bullock, Jim Rowinski, 
    Troy Lewis, Tony Jones, Kip Jones, Everette Stephens, Curt Clawson,
    and so on, but yet choke all the time in the Big Dance!  I do not
    follow the NBA but I am sure all these players are mostly starters in
    NBA teams today.  Can you guys tell me where and how these Purdue stars
    are doing in the NBA?  Arguably they have been having more and better 
    pro players than UNLV!  Today they still have left with them for next
    year all-stars of the immediate future like Woody Austin, Jimmy Oliver, 
    Chuckie White, Dave Barrett (who incidentally is also a future baseball 
    Hall of Famer no question!) and impressive freshman like Rich Mount who 
    plays like a young Magic Johnson, not a young Rick Mount.  With all 
    these talents they got to win not only the NCAA but the NBA!  They 
    really should fire Keady and hire, I don't know, the Ninja Turtles.  I 
    am sure Michelangelo can do much better.
    
    Charles

    Charles,
    
    The only time Purdue has choked was when they had the super trio
    of Lewis, Mitchell and Stephens(was it him).  Great team, top 5
    in the nation and they lost early.  Keady is a great coach.
    
    Knight won't get much time at all, especially with all the guards
    in front of him.  I like you're scenario Charles but wouldn't it
    be better if young Patrick hit a buzzer-beater to beat his Dad. :-)