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| 8.1 | thursday scores | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Fri Dec 15 1989 10:24 | 8 |
| last night scores:
San Antonio 104, Houston 100
Chicago 124, Orlando 113
Washington 105, Charlotte 101
Indiana 102, Nets 78
TTom
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| 8.2 | NBA rebounds, assists, and points per minute | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Fri Dec 15 1989 11:41 | 115 |
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I got curious about some of the NBA's best production per minute guys were so I
calculated rebounds, assists, and points per minute for all NBA players as of
December 13 games. The stats are very skewed for guys who don't play much or
for guys who play alot but it's fairly interesting nonetheless.
Sorry, there are a skillion columns but they get less interesting toward the
right.
j.
(The PPG and PPM columns are calculated from rebounds+assists+points/game or
per min and are only interesting to rotisserians)
Top 30 or so in order of points scored per minute:
Player Tm rpm apm ppm PPG PPM G MIN FG FGA FG% FT FTA FT% OREB TREB AST STL TO BLK PTS AVG 3FG 3FG 3FG%
JOHNSTON UTA 0.154 0.000 0.846 02.17 1.000 6 13 4 11 .364 2 2 **** 2 2 0 0 1 1 11 1.8 1 1 ****
JORDAN CHI 0.205 0.174 0.832 47.26 1.210 19 742 225 434 .518 150 178 .843 41 152 129 42 58 9 617 32.5 17 47 .362
EWING NYK 0.271 0.060 0.812 41.26 1.143 19 686 215 384 .560 127 152 .836 54 186 41 17 66 65 557 29.3 0 0 ---
HORTON WAS 0.143 0.143 0.750 04.14 1.036 7 28 5 10 .500 11 12 .917 3 4 4 2 6 0 21 3 0 0 ---
DAVIS DEN 0.116 0.072 0.741 22.14 0.928 21 501 148 315 .470 75 81 .926 20 58 36 19 36 2 371 17.7 0 13 .000
PIERCE MIL 0.094 0.064 0.735 27.94 0.892 16 501 142 272 .522 72 83 .867 24 47 32 14 39 1 368 23 12 30 .400
WILKINS ATL 0.155 0.056 0.724 33.25 0.935 20 711 196 419 .468 105 138 .761 45 110 40 23 51 6 515 25.8 18 52 .346
MALONE UTA 0.292 0.072 0.719 41.95 1.083 19 736 196 359 .546 136 195 .697 53 215 53 45 81 13 529 27.8 1 2 .500
MULLIN GSW 0.137 0.110 0.718 36.95 0.965 20 766 202 369 .547 120 140 .857 30 105 84 35 76 8 550 27.5 26 61 .426
TURNER SAC 0.179 0.000 0.714 02.50 0.893 10 28 7 19 .368 6 11 .545 3 5 0 1 0 0 20 2 0 0 ---
BRANCH MIN 0.221 0.047 0.709 08.40 0.977 10 86 23 59 .390 14 21 .667 8 19 4 6 7 0 61 6.1 1 1 ****
CHAMBERS PHO 0.226 0.065 0.693 34.82 0.983 17 602 150 319 .470 113 132 .856 32 136 39 16 52 11 417 24.5 4 16 .250
MALONE WAS 0.085 0.080 0.684 29.39 0.849 18 623 177 341 .519 72 81 .889 10 53 50 11 39 0 426 23.7 0 0 ---
WIGGINS HOU 0.169 0.052 0.681 27.65 0.902 17 521 144 277 .520 67 79 .848 36 88 27 19 23 0 355 20.9 0 1 .000
COPELAND PHI 0.167 0.000 0.667 02.50 0.833 2 6 1 3 .333 2 2 **** 1 1 0 0 1 0 4 2 0 0 ---
ORTIZ UTA 0.000 0.000 0.667 01.00 0.667 2 3 1 2 .500 0 0 --- 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 ---
ELLIS SEA 0.134 0.045 0.656 32.47 0.835 19 739 182 385 .473 86 97 .887 41 99 33 25 47 4 485 25.5 35 98 .357
CAMPBELL MIN 0.144 0.050 0.650 30.20 0.845 20 715 183 386 .474 94 116 .810 61 103 36 20 55 8 465 23.3 5 19 .263
ROBINSON SAS 0.356 0.048 0.640 36.33 1.043 18 627 133 241 .552 135 193 .699 78 223 30 31 58 46 401 22.3 0 0 ---
CURRY CHA 0.083 0.090 0.636 20.15 0.809 13 324 86 186 .462 20 22 .909 3 27 29 19 21 4 206 15.8 14 27 .519
ALFORD DAL 0.000 0.121 0.636 02.78 0.758 9 33 6 22 .273 9 10 .900 0 0 4 2 4 0 21 2.3 0 2 .000
ROYAL MIN 0.172 0.066 0.636 08.80 0.874 15 151 19 43 .442 58 76 .763 13 26 10 8 17 2 96 6.4 0 0 ---
MALONE ATL 0.302 0.049 0.633 32.89 0.984 19 635 141 280 .504 120 149 .805 90 192 31 14 62 13 402 21.2 0 2 .000
DREXLER POR 0.180 0.192 0.628 37.35 1.000 17 635 163 315 .517 70 95 .737 52 114 122 33 52 12 399 23.5 3 12 .250
BIRD BOS 0.263 0.189 0.625 40.38 1.078 21 787 192 413 .465 95 102 .931 32 207 149 27 70 22 492 23.4 13 43 .302
CHIEVOUS HOU 0.192 0.064 0.624 07.33 0.880 15 125 28 57 .491 21 29 .724 9 24 8 10 4 1 78 5.2 1 4 .250
DUNLEAVY MIL 0.000 0.286 0.619 06.33 0.905 3 21 3 6 .500 6 6 **** 0 0 6 0 3 0 13 4.3 1 3 .333
NANCE CLE 0.333 0.118 0.613 33.00 1.065 3 93 24 46 .522 9 14 .643 12 31 11 2 9 5 57 19 0 0 ---
MCDANIEL SEA 0.175 0.072 0.613 32.53 0.861 19 718 174 326 .534 90 116 .776 38 126 52 16 61 12 440 23.2 2 9 .222
THEUS ORL 0.095 0.165 0.611 28.30 0.871 20 650 134 319 .420 120 137 .876 18 62 107 14 67 3 397 19.9 9 32 .281
BEDFORD DET 0.197 0.000 0.606 04.75 0.803 12 71 20 37 .541 2 6 .333 1 14 0 0 7 8 43 3.6 1 1 ****
KING WAS 0.156 0.125 0.600 25.65 0.881 20 582 139 279 .498 71 92 .772 30 91 73 8 59 3 349 17.5 0 7 .000
OLAJUWON HOU 0.358 0.080 0.600 35.65 1.038 20 687 172 345 .499 67 107 .626 56 246 55 35 85 91 412 20.6 1 2 .500
Here are the league's most proficient rebounders:
Player rpm apm ppm PPG PPM G MIN FG FGA FG% FT FTA FT% OREB TREB AST STL TO BLK PTS AVG 3FG 3FG 3FG%
TARPLEY DAL 0.470 0.019 0.488 35.00 0.977 6 215 43 102 .422 19 24 .792 36 101 4 12 21 10 105 17.5 0 0 ---
SHASKY GSW 0.429 0.000 0.286 01.67 0.714 3 7 1 4 .250 0 0 --- 1 3 0 0 0 0 2 .7 0 0 ---
LANE DEN 0.404 0.097 0.394 13.05 0.895 19 277 48 102 .471 13 37 .351 47 112 27 13 26 5 109 5.7 0 4 .000
LANG PHO 0.367 0.022 0.167 04.17 0.556 12 90 7 20 .350 1 4 .250 12 33 2 2 5 12 15 1.3 0 0 ---
GREENWOOD DET 0.362 0.043 0.275 04.70 0.681 10 69 6 12 .500 7 10 .700 6 25 3 2 5 2 19 1.9 0 0 ---
OLAJUWON HOU 0.358 0.080 0.600 35.65 1.038 20 687 172 345 .499 67 107 .626 56 246 55 35 85 91 412 20.6 1 2 .500
GREEN ORL 0.357 0.047 0.392 19.40 0.797 20 487 76 171 .444 39 56 .696 56 174 23 15 42 8 191 9.6 0 0 ---
ROBINSON SAS 0.356 0.048 0.640 36.33 1.043 18 627 133 241 .552 135 193 .699 78 223 30 31 58 46 401 22.3 0 0 ---
SEIKALY MIA 0.354 0.032 0.427 24.29 0.813 21 627 108 247 .437 52 84 .619 80 222 20 25 63 33 268 12.8 0 1 .000
DUDLEY CLE 0.351 0.032 0.273 14.23 0.656 13 282 33 87 .379 11 29 .379 42 99 9 7 19 24 77 5.9 0 0 ---
PARISH BOS 0.347 0.041 0.556 28.38 0.945 21 631 146 230 .635 59 88 .670 78 219 26 9 54 15 351 16.7 0 0 ---
CALDWELL HOU 0.347 0.027 0.213 03.38 0.587 13 75 7 14 .500 2 3 .667 6 26 2 4 12 5 16 1.2 0 0 ---
DIVAC LAL 0.346 0.027 0.444 14.62 0.816 21 376 64 132 .485 39 53 .736 37 130 10 25 34 26 167 8 0 1 .000
OAKLEY NYK 0.345 0.056 0.434 29.58 0.835 19 673 109 212 .514 74 98 .755 83 232 38 26 46 6 292 15.4 0 1 .000
RASMUSSEN DEN 0.338 0.035 0.527 23.48 0.900 21 548 127 256 .496 35 43 .814 67 185 19 12 20 30 289 13.8 0 1 .000
SMITH HOU 0.338 0.054 0.149 10.50 0.541 20 388 24 55 .436 10 17 .588 49 131 21 15 17 6 58 2.9 0 0 ---
NANCE CLE 0.333 0.118 0.613 33.00 1.065 3 93 24 46 .522 9 14 .643 12 31 11 2 9 5 57 19 0 0 ---
WEST PHO 0.332 0.014 0.320 20.18 0.666 17 515 61 104 .587 43 65 .662 40 171 7 4 25 44 165 9.7 0 0 ---
THOMPSON IND 0.331 0.065 0.252 16.35 0.648 17 429 37 94 .394 34 37 .919 37 142 28 17 46 12 108 6.4 0 2 .000
ELLISON SAC 0.328 0.031 0.344 11.25 0.703 4 64 10 27 .370 2 7 .286 6 21 2 0 6 7 22 5.5 0 1 .000
RODMAN DET 0.323 0.027 0.339 18.38 0.689 21 560 73 139 .525 44 67 .657 99 181 15 10 24 15 190 9 0 2 .000
CAGE SEA 0.320 0.023 0.350 22.53 0.693 19 618 87 173 .503 42 57 .737 74 198 14 21 28 13 216 11.4 0 0 ---
TURPIN WAS 0.318 0.025 0.369 09.33 0.713 12 157 24 40 .600 10 14 .714 15 50 4 4 6 13 58 4.8 0 0 ---
And the league's most proficient playmakers:
Player rpm apm ppm PPG PPM G MIN FG FGA FG% FT FTA FT% OREB TREB AST STL TO BLK PTS AVG 3FG 3FG 3FG%
STOCKTON UTA 0.074 0.383 0.495 35.76 0.951 17 639 111 220 .505 84 102 .824 14 47 245 57 63 4 316 18.6 10 19 .526
K.JOHNSON PHO 0.127 0.357 0.520 30.10 1.003 10 300 59 106 .557 38 56 .679 5 38 107 13 21 5 156 15.6 0 3 .000
JOHNSON SEA 0.070 0.337 0.256 04.38 0.663 13 86 8 24 .333 6 8 .750 5 6 29 7 9 0 22 1.7 0 2 .000
BAGLEY BOS 0.065 0.312 0.275 14.64 0.652 11 247 28 51 .549 12 14 .857 4 16 77 8 28 0 68 6.2 0 6 .000
GRANT LAC 0.144 0.305 0.378 26.84 0.827 19 617 99 211 .469 35 45 .778 22 89 188 46 94 4 233 12.3 0 2 .000
JOHNSON LAL 0.186 0.295 0.591 38.95 1.072 21 763 157 335 .469 122 138 .884 39 142 225 46 85 14 451 21.5 15 63 .238
BOGUES CHA 0.062 0.295 0.274 21.58 0.631 19 650 81 162 .500 14 21 .667 8 40 192 52 33 0 178 9.4 2 9 .222
DUNLEAVY MIL 0.000 0.286 0.619 06.33 0.905 3 21 3 6 .500 6 6 **** 0 0 6 0 3 0 13 4.3 1 3 .333
MCMILLAN SEA 0.171 0.282 0.228 19.95 0.680 19 557 52 101 .515 22 31 .710 33 95 157 33 62 12 127 6.7 1 4 .250
LUCAS HOU 0.104 0.272 0.276 16.90 0.651 20 519 57 154 .370 18 25 .720 10 54 141 31 45 1 143 7.2 11 44 .250
THOMAS DET 0.118 0.266 0.546 33.43 0.930 21 755 168 368 .457 68 88 .773 25 89 201 44 75 4 412 19.6 8 26 .308
HARDAWAY GSW 0.114 0.265 0.379 22.35 0.758 17 501 80 170 .471 27 41 .659 7 57 133 31 57 2 190 11.2 3 11 .273
PORTER POR 0.101 0.258 0.501 31.23 0.860 22 799 131 263 .498 121 139 .871 17 81 206 39 77 1 400 18.2 17 48 .354
UPSHAW BOS 0.099 0.253 0.220 05.20 0.571 10 91 9 26 .346 1 2 .500 2 9 23 1 7 1 20 2 1 2 .500
MYERS NYK 0.200 0.250 0.200 01.86 0.650 7 20 1 7 .143 2 8 .250 4 4 5 0 4 0 4 .6 0 0 ---
JOHNSON BOS 0.078 0.247 0.245 13.52 0.571 21 497 48 119 .403 26 32 .813 13 39 123 19 32 0 122 5.8 0 5 .000
MOORE SAS 0.066 0.246 0.311 05.43 0.623 7 61 7 15 .467 4 7 .571 0 4 15 6 5 0 19 2.7 1 1 ****
GRANT PHO 0.074 0.242 0.303 10.07 0.619 15 244 31 83 .373 11 17 .647 2 18 59 12 36 0 74 4.9 1 6 .167
JACKSON NYK 0.121 0.237 0.330 22.16 0.688 19 612 75 200 .375 38 50 .760 24 74 145 36 61 1 202 10.6 14 49 .286
STRICKLAND NYK 0.118 0.236 0.441 15.95 0.795 19 381 64 154 .416 36 48 .750 18 45 90 32 27 1 168 8.8 4 12 .333
SKILES ORL 0.089 0.233 0.357 08.75 0.678 20 258 29 66 .439 28 33 .848 2 23 60 9 22 0 92 4.6 6 13 .462
DOUGLAS MIA 0.111 0.227 0.431 19.86 0.769 22 568 98 203 .483 49 68 .721 24 63 129 32 51 1 245 11.1 0 6 .000
PRICE CLE 0.072 0.218 0.564 28.75 0.854 12 404 74 184 .402 54 58 .931 6 29 88 15 28 0 228 19 26 68 .382
GREEN IND 0.050 0.217 0.222 05.50 0.489 16 180 16 40 .400 8 9 .889 3 9 39 6 12 1 40 2.5 0 1 .000
HARPER DAL 0.078 0.216 0.415 25.95 0.708 19 696 108 236 .458 60 79 .759 7 54 150 37 54 8 289 15.2 13 40 .325
BROOKS PHI 0.061 0.215 0.298 07.28 0.575 18 228 23 58 .397 15 15 **** 3 14 49 10 11 0 68 3.8 7 18 .389
DAWKINS PHI 0.089 0.214 0.430 26.35 0.734 20 718 127 245 .518 54 67 .806 10 64 154 31 68 1 309 15.5 1 7 .143
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| 8.3 | impressive air | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Fri Dec 15 1989 12:03 | 13 |
|
Check it out, Jordan was able to amass these stats in only 25 minutes
of play in their 124-113 victory over Orlando:
min fg(m-a) ft(m-a) reb(o-t) a pf tp
Jordan 25 10-14 7-9 2-7 5 2 38
3 point goals: Jordan(3-3).
Steals: Jordan 2.
TO: Jordan 1.
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| 8.4 | | HAZEL::LEFEBVRE | I see faces and traces of home... | Fri Dec 15 1989 14:19 | 6 |
| I saw a blurb on the news last night (Channel 5 in Boston) that
showed James Worthy visiting kids in one of the local hospitals.
Other than the fact that he was handing out Lakers' hats (:*^)),
I thought this was a real class act.
Mark.
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| 8.5 | | COBRA::DINSMORE | Mcfall=francessa , true sport wizards | Fri Dec 15 1989 14:38 | 4 |
| i agree with ya mr lufay.. class act no doubt..
dinz
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| 8.6 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Dec 15 1989 14:54 | 5 |
| 8.7 | ever heard of defense? | DSGSPT::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Fri Dec 15 1989 14:59 | 4 |
|
oh no.. not this again. worthy is definitely a "franchise" player.
sean
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| 8.8 | | HEURIS::METZGER | Is it Ski season yet ? | Fri Dec 15 1989 15:03 | 16 |
|
Dan not only stated the Worthy was a franchise type player but that he could
modify his game for more rebounds,assists and different types of shots if the
lakers would have needed him to.
Doug and I both contend that Jimmy Clang ( if you've ever seen Worthy try
and take a shot outside 15' you'd see where that name came from) is a 1
dimensional player that would have been a nobody had he not had magic feeding
him for fast break jams over the years.
Can somebody post Worthy's stats for last years Championship series ?
Ya know the * series :-)
Metz
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| 8.9 | | JIVE5::ROSS | Foo.Bar | Fri Dec 15 1989 15:15 | 23 |
| That sounds about right.
Let's get it straight now, does James have low rebounds because he
gets out on the break for layups?
I have nothing against him personally. He appears to be a fine
human being off the court but lacks the presence that superstars
have on the court.
I liken Worthy to Bernard King... except Bernard at his best was
far better than Worthy ever could be.
He is not an all-around NBA player. And he's not even close to
my top 10.
Magic, Jordan, Ewing, K.Malone, Barkley, Mullin, Olajuwon, Drexler, Bird,
Dumars, Stockton, Person would all come first if I were picking a team.
I would take Worthy over Dominique always and over McHale now but not
three years ago.
He's a second tier superstar with a single special talent.
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| 8.10 | | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Fri Dec 15 1989 15:28 | 11 |
|
just a question. did you ever see Worthy play on North Carolina
(a much different team than the Lakers)?
my top 10 all around..
jordan, olajuwon, drexler, m. malone, k. malone, ewing (getting
better), magic, d. robinson, smits (tough), dumars.
(can't see the general as that good a player--> too concerned
with his stats.. same with barkley)
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| 8.11 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Fri Dec 15 1989 15:53 | 6 |
| Ch4's supposed to have a piece on the 6:00 news tonight about
Worthy going around and visiting the kids in hospitals. the clip
last night showed him handing out hats and basketballs. Class
move, I wonder how many guys do this stuff when they're on the
road.
Denny
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| 8.12 | Can someone please start a "Worthy sucks" note? | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Fri Dec 15 1989 16:16 | 0 |
| 8.13 | Sixers?? | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Yabba Dabba Dooooo | Fri Dec 15 1989 16:26 | 5 |
| I'm dying for Sixer news - how's Johnny Dawkins performing?
The news out here is horrible for NBA news.
JD
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| 8.14 | Dawkins passed away this morning, JD. Hope this helps. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Fri Dec 15 1989 16:49 | 0 |
| 8.15 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Yabba Dabba Dooooo | Fri Dec 15 1989 17:47 | 3 |
| Huh? You fooling me Jeff?
JD
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| 8.16 | hahahahha | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Fri Dec 15 1989 17:50 | 1 |
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| 8.17 | Yes. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Fri Dec 15 1989 18:13 | 0 |
| 8.18 | You can let me tell my side. I'll do so if/when I wish. | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | | Fri Dec 15 1989 18:34 | 13 |
| 8.19 | | AJCVAX::COTE | Al | Fri Dec 15 1989 18:41 | 7 |
|
I believe Dan said "If Worthy went to an expansion team, he'd be MVP."
Or mabee it was "How do they get that model ship through that little hole
in the bottle?"
I forget witch.
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| 8.20 | Better than 'Nique. You've come far. | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | | Fri Dec 15 1989 18:42 | 24 |
| >He is not an all-around NBA player. And he's not even close to
>my top 10.
Not bad.
>I would take Worthy over Dominique always and over McHale now but not
>three years ago.
Not bad at all. I can live with both these statements. They certainly don't
jive with a lot of what you've said about him, nor with what you've just
agreed to in Metz' note. If you consider him a top
20 player, I would guess you really don't believe some of the things you
and he have said.
BTW, I consider James to be a better-than-average passing forward.
I think he learned his lessons from Dean Smith well, which foremost is
to humble yourself for the benefit of the team.
Also BTW, referring to you "merely a cog in Magic's machine comment",
if almost any other of your top 10 NBAers were a Laker, they would also
be such a cog, and probably be a better player for it. Its not a crime
to become a better player in a given system.
Dan
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| 8.21 | | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Fri Dec 15 1989 18:43 | 8 |
|
wow, there are actually people besides me who think worthy is
just a victim of the great team he is on???
as bill and ted would say
Excellent! (simulated air guitar jam)
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| 8.22 | | VIA::NORI | | Sat Dec 16 1989 16:13 | 12 |
| re : 8.8
I saw the Lakers-Celtics game las night and It was very obvious, who
is Jimmy Clang. Bird was 9-27 and Worthy was 13-19. Worthy was shooting
from all over the place, in case if you didn't see it. You guys have
been saying that he doesn't rebound. If you compare his Offensive
rebounds, he is out rebounding Bird 2 : 1. If you suspect his defensive
skills I think you guys have to get your eyes examined. If Bird were to
play with Magic I am sure his assists and rebounds will not be much either,
May be if Worthy plays for Celtics, he probably will have more assists
and total rebounds.
--Ram Nori
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| 8.23 | Worthy was Awesome! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | There's no Crack in my Brain! | Sat Dec 16 1989 16:17 | 7 |
| 8.24 | | THOTH::BIGLEY | | Mon Dec 18 1989 09:21 | 7 |
|
re-1
When Worthy picked up his 5th foul there were only 6+ minutes
left. But, boy was the damage done. I was at the Celts/Lakers game
and one thing that was very obvious. Larry Bird looked very slooow.
Rick
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| 8.25 | | MISVAX::ROSS | Foo.Bar | Mon Dec 18 1989 09:59 | 13 |
| Have the Lakers played the Celtics this year? :-(
Worthy played a great game. It's too bad Dan won't be able to
talk about it, because he only talks about the season-to-date. If
he does that, then he'll have to account for why James only scored
12 the following night. If James could play like he did against
the Celts most nights, he would be as good as Dan says he is.
As for the Celts, someone please stick a large fork in them. They are
done.
If the Celts don't make a trade soon, they are finished for the next
5 years.
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| 8.26 | | 2HOT::NORI | | Mon Dec 18 1989 11:31 | 5 |
| re : .25
Worthy went 5 for 13, and 12 points. Is it not better than 9 for 27 ?
If he had taken 27 shots he would have been 19 for 27.
--Ram Nori
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| 8.27 | the difference between bird and worthy | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Mon Dec 18 1989 11:39 | 7 |
|
re: worthy's 12
didn't the lakers defeat new jersey (99-92 I think?) despite
Worthy's 12 point performance? I guess it just shows that some
teams don't *need* a great performance from *one* player to win.
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| 8.28 | | MISVAX::ROSS | Foo.Bar | Mon Dec 18 1989 11:48 | 19 |
| > -< the difference between bird and worthy >-
>
>
> re: worthy's 12
>
> didn't the lakers defeat new jersey (99-92 I think?) despite
> Worthy's 12 point performance? I guess it just shows that some
> teams don't *need* a great performance from *one* player to win.
Right. Magic had two great games back to back. Worthy had one great
game and a no-show.
The difference between Magic and Worthy.
Your logic escapes me. If 12 points in a win on 5-13 shooting means
something positive about James Worthy, please explain further. When
Worthy does well, he's awesome. When Worthy is a no-show, it's "at least
the Lakers won."
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| 8.29 | | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Mon Dec 18 1989 12:02 | 22 |
|
the point is that when you compare bird and worthy you are trying
to compare them by *ignoring* the type of team they are on. it
is *very* rare that worthy has a 12 point night. (i didn't see
the game, but the lakers scoring only 99 points tells me something,
mainly that worthy didn't produce too much).
> Your logic escapes me. If 12 points in a win on 5-13 shooting means
>something positive about James Worthy, please explain further. When
>Worthy does well, he's awesome. When Worthy is a no-show, it's "at least
>the Lakers won."
I didn't see any other stats on Worthy besides the 12 points
he scored. How many minutes did he play? rebounds? assists? personal
fouls? steals? blocks? who was his primary defender? how many points
did his primary defender score?
The only reason you feel worthy is a one dimensional player
is because you only reveal the one sided facts and you refuse to
accept the fact that he plays on a team of *many* talents as opposed
to bird.
sean
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| 8.30 | | MISVAX::ROSS | Foo.Bar | Mon Dec 18 1989 12:24 | 28 |
| REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
WORTHY vs Celts F 35 13-19 2-2 0 5 5 2 5 0 2 28
JOHNSON vs Celts G 43 4-12 8-8 0 6 6 21 0 6 3 16
BIRD vs Lakers F 43 9-27 2-2 3 9 12 2 3 3 5 21
MCHALE vs Lakers 34 9-11 3-3 2 3 5 4 5 0 1 21
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
WORTHY vs Nets F 34 5-13 2-2 3 5 8 3 0 1 2 12
JOHNSON vs Nets G 38 11-20 6-6 3 2 5 8 2 2 0 28
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
WORTHY (total) F 69 18-31 4-4 3 10 13 5 5 1 2 40
JOHNSON (total) G 81 15-32 14-14 3 8 11 29 2 8 3 44
Also, remember that A.C. Green had a game against the Celts that was almost
as good as Worthy's {25 points, 12 boards} and Byron Scott had 20+ also.
The "look at the team James plays for" argument doesn't wash with me.
McHale is as good as Green, Parish beats Thompson by a wide margin. So
Bird is not alone out there. It's the Magic man that makes the difference.
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| 8.31 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Mon Dec 18 1989 12:46 | 3 |
| According to Jackie MacMullan in yesterdays Globe, the Pistons
are shopping John Salley around the league.
Denny
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| 8.32 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Yabba Dabba Dooooo | Mon Dec 18 1989 12:51 | 12 |
| I got to watch the Celts/Lakers game after work on Friday. As I've
said since before the season started, the Celts need backcourt help.
And the following has nothing to do with the Bird/Worthy/Magic circle,
but it *seems* to me that Larry has had a lot of bad shooting nights.
Since I've only seen the Celtics play three times this year, has
anyone who has seen them play notice any reason why Larry has had
a lot of poor shooting nights. Granted, he can go 9-23, but still
score 20+ and rebound and pass, but that's not the Bird I remember.
Is he rushing the shot?
JD
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| 8.33 | The Celts miss Danny? | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Dec 18 1989 12:59 | 2 |
| The TNT announcers kept bringing up how much the Celts miss Ainge. How
do you think the trade looks at this point in time?
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| 8.34 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Yabba Dabba Dooooo | Mon Dec 18 1989 13:13 | 10 |
| Mac,
I think the Celts really needed a back up center, but with Bird
back, and by drafting Smith, Pinckney really isn't needed. They
do miss Ainge, and I've never been an Ainge fan, but at least he
gave them some sort of outside shot. Even if Shaw was still here,
the Celts needed guard help, and they didn't address it. Drafting
Smith was a wasted pick.
JD
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| 8.35 | Magic Johnson, SI player of the 80's. | SYSENG::MURDOCK | | Mon Dec 18 1989 14:10 | 14 |
| For those of you that might disagree with Sports Ilustrated's selection
of Magic Johnson as basketball's player of the decade, forget about the
championship and other honors, just borrow a video tape of last Friday's
game against the Celtics. The man is simply awesome, heck, he even makes
Divak look like an allstar..... The two other selection for players of
the 80's include Montana, and Gretsky.... not bad company indeed.
BTW, didn't the Celtics choose Michael smith BEFORE Divak.....?? oh well,
there goes Red's reputation as a genius...!!
On another closely related subject, I recall Magic stating that Worthy is
his no. 1 option off the break. So it doen't really matter if any of us likes
Worthy, as long as Magic has NO COMPLAINS.
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| 8.36 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | Chipmunks roasting on an open fire... | Mon Dec 18 1989 14:21 | 12 |
|
Why does Mr. Nori in .22 use only offensive rebounding to compare
Bird and Worthy? Could it be because Worthy got 0 defensive rebbounds?
NAH!
Re Divac: It still is uncertain how long Divac will be able to
play. He only got a one year extension from his army duty. Everything
I've read says he'll need at least a year to learn the NBA system
before he is an effective force. If he has to go back to Yugoslavia
nexted year, the draft choice may not be such a 'brilliant' move.
Bruce
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| 8.37 | mail all birds to cntrol:: | MAXWEL::CHILDS | Time Travel gives me the Runs | Mon Dec 18 1989 15:31 | 17 |
|
My hats off to the the Lakers they played an excellent game. They
knew they weren't going to win on the boards so they did the little
things. Seemed like every Celtics' turnover except those thrown out
of bounds was a 3 on 1 breakaway.
As usual bad mouth Worthy before the game and he kills ya...
JD, one problem with Bird that I notice is when he comes around the
pick he goes up expecting the pressure and planning to drop off or
even shoot over the pressure. But they aren't giving him the respect
they used to so more times that not they're not pressuring him they
dropping off staying with the pickman. Bird already off his feet is
confused and shooting the shot on his way down and front rimming the
sucker....
mike
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| 8.38 | CBS NBA Schedule | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Dec 18 1989 19:08 | 42 |
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From: holder@druhi.ATT.COM (Mike Holder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: NBA schedule on CBS
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Date: 18 Oct 89 22:10:17 GMT
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CBS NBA schedule (starting times Eastern, PM) (from Dick Vitale's Basketball
Guide):
11/25/89 3:30 Chicago at Golden State or LA Lakers at Utah
12/25/89 3:30 Cleveland at Atlanta
01/21/90 12:00 LA Lakers at Detroit
01/21/90 2:30 New York at Chicago
01/28/90 12:30 Phoenix at Boston
02/04/90 1:00 Utah at Detroit or Philadelphia at Milwaukee
02/11/90 2:45 40th All-Star Game (Miami Arena)
02/18/90 3:30 Boston at LA Lakers
02/19/90 1:30 Houston at Chicago or Dallas at Cleveland
02/25/90 12:00 Detroit at New York
03/04/90 2:00 Cleveland at Phoenix or Chicago at Boston
03/11/90 12:00 LA Lakers at Atlanta
04/01/90 3:30 Atlanta at Golden State or Utah at LA Lakers
04/08/90 12:00 Detroit at Cleveland
04/15/90 1:00 New York at Boston
04/22/90 1:00 NY at Cleve or Chi at Det or Utah at Hou or Phoe at SA
Mike Holder ..!att!druhi!holder
AT&T Bell Labs holder@druhi.att.com
Denver, CO (303) 538-3929
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From: holder@druhi.ATT.COM (Mike Holder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: NBA schedule on TNT
Message-ID: <4436@druhi.ATT.COM>
Date: 18 Oct 89 22:08:44 GMT
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TNT NBA schedule (starting times Eastern, PM) (from Dick Vitale's Basketball
Guide):
11/03/89 8:00 New York at Detroit
11/03/89 10:30 Golden State at Phoenix
11/07/89 8:00 Detroit at Chicago
11/10/89 8:00 Atlanta at Boston
11/10/89 10:30 Sacramento at Phoenix
11/14/89 8:00 San Antonio at Milwaukee
11/17/89 8:00 Atlanta at Cleveland
11/21/89 8:00 Houston at New York
11/24/89 8:00 Cleveland at Detroit
11/28/89 8:00 Miami at Orlando
12/01/89 8:00 Utah at Atlanta
12/01/89 10:30 Detroit at LA Lakers
12/05/89 8:00 Denver at Chicago
12/08/89 8:00 Chicago at Indiana
12/12/89 8:00 Philadelphia at New Jersey
12/15/89 8:00 LA Lakers at Boston
12/19/89 8:00 LA Lakers at Chicago
12/22/89 8:00 New York at Washington
12/26/89 8:00 Boston at LA Clippers
01/02/90 8:00 Phoenix at New York
01/05/90 8:00 Philadelphia at Dallas
01/09/90 8:00 LA Lakers at Phoenix
01/12/90 8:00 Chicago at Charlotte
01/17/90 8:00 New York at San Antonio
01/19/90 8:00 Golden State at Detroit
01/23/90 8:00 LA Lakers at New York
01/26/90 8:00 Seattle at Golden State
01/31/90 8:00 New York at Boston
02/02/90 8:00 Boston at Minnesota
02/02/90 10:30 Atlanta at LA Lakers
02/06/90 8:00 Cleveland at Detroit
02/07/90 8:00 Golden State at Philadelphia
02/07/90 10:30 Chicago at LA Lakers
02/13/90 8:00 Boston at Houston
02/16/90 8:00 Atlanta at Cleveland
02/16/90 10:30 Boston at Portland
02/20/90 8:00 LA Lakers at San Antonio
02/23/90 8:00 Detroit at Atlanta
02/27/90 8:00 Dallas at New York
03/02/90 8:00 Philadelphia at Detroit
03/06/90 8:00 Chicago at Milwaukee
03/13/90 8:00 Boston at Atlanta
03/21/90 8:00 Cleveland at Boston
03/28/90 8:00 Chicago at Cleveland
03/30/90 8:00 New York at Chicago
04/05/90 8:00 Detroit at Atlanta
04/10/90 8:00 Detroit at New York
04/12/90 8:00 LA Lakers at Utah
04/17/90 8:00 LA Lakers at Seattle
04/20/90 8:00 Chicago at Boston
Mike Holder ..!att!druhi!holder
AT&T Bell Labs holder@druhi.att.com
Denver, CO (303) 538-3929
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From: stuart@apollo.HP.COM (Stuart Troutman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: here's the nba tv schedule
Message-ID: <46daed2f.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM>
Date: 15 Nov 89 18:20:00 GMT
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This is the full schedule of announced NBA telecasts
that I've assembled from all the stations I receive
here in Boston (including SportsChannel New England
and WLVI channel 56). Depending on your location,
some of these may not apply, and others can be added
(for instance, MSG has the Knicks games, SportsChannel
will show other regional games, I guess WGN still has
the Bulls, etc.):
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NBA on TNT/CBS/TBS/SC/56:
date EST
-------- -----
Fr 11/03 7:30 SC Milwaukee at Boston
Fr 11/03 8:00 TNT New York at Detroit
Fr 11/03 10:30 TNT Golden State at Phoenix
St 11/04 8:30 56 Boston at Chicago
Tu 11/07 8:00 TNT Detroit at Chicago
Tu 11/07 8:30 56 Boston at Milwaukee
We 11/08 7:30 56 Boston at Washington
Fr 11/10 8:00 SC/TNT Atlanta at Boston
Fr 11/10 10:30 TNT Sacramento at Phoenix
St 11/11 7:30 56 Boston at Cleveland
Tu 11/14 7:30 SC Philadelphia at Boston (Hartford)
Tu 11/14 8:00 TNT San Antonio at Milwaukee
We 11/15 7:30 SC New Jersey at Boston
Fr 11/17 7:30 SC Minnesota at Boston
Fr 11/17 8:00 TNT Atlanta at Cleveland
St 11/18 7:30 56 Boston at Detroit
Tu 11/21 7:30 56 Boston at Indiana
Tu 11/21 8:00 TNT Houston at New York
We 11/22 7:30 SC Houston at Boston
We 11/22 7:30 TBS Atlanta at Milwaukee
Fr 11/24 7:30 SC Indiana at Boston
Fr 11/24 8:00 TNT Cleveland at Detroit
St 11/25 3:30 CBS Chicago at Golden State / LA Lakers at Utah
St 11/25 7:30 56/TBS Boston at Atlanta
Tu 11/28 8:00 TNT Miami at Orlando
We 11/29 7:30 56 Boston at New Jersey
We 11/29 7:30 TBS Atlanta at Washington
Fr 12/01 7:30 SC Cleveland at Boston
Fr 12/01 8:00 TNT Utah at Atlanta
Fr 12/01 10:30 TNT Detroit at LA Lakers
St 12/02 7:30 TBS Philadelphia at Atlanta
Tu 12/05 7:30 56 Boston at Charlotte
Tu 12/05 8:00 TNT Denver at Chicago
We 12/06 7:30 SC New York at Boston
Fr 12/08 7:30 SC Denver at Boston
Fr 12/08 8:00 TNT Chicago at Indiana
St 12/09 7:30 56 Boston at New York
Tu 12/12 8:00 TNT Philadelphia at New Jersey
We 12/13 7:30 SC Seattle at Boston
Fr 12/15 8:00 SC/TNT LA Lakers at Boston
Tu 12/19 8:00 TNT LA Lakers at Chicago
Tu 12/19 8:30 56 Boston at Milwaukee
We 12/20 7:30 SC Utah at Boston
Th 12/21 7:30 TBS Atlanta at Miami
Fr 12/22 7:30 SC Philadelphia at Boston
Fr 12/22 8:00 TNT New York at Washington
Mo 12/25 3:30 CBS Cleveland at Atlanta
Tu 12/26 8:00 56/TNT Boston at LA Clippers
We 12/27 7:30 TBS Atlanta at Dallas
We 12/27 10:30 56 Boston at Sacramento
Fr 12/29 10:00 56 Boston at Seattle
Tu 01/02 8:00 TNT Phoenix at New York
We 01/03 7:30 SC Washington at Boston
Th 01/04 7:30 TBS Atlanta at New York
Fr 01/05 7:30 SC LA Clippers at Boston
Fr 01/05 8:00 TNT Philadelphia at Dallas
St 01/06 7:30 56 Boston at Washington
Tu 01/09 7:30 56 Boston at New Jersey
Tu 01/09 8:00 TNT LA Lakers at Phoenix
We 01/10 7:30 SC Detroit at Boston
Fr 01/12 7:30 SC San Antonio at Boston
Fr 01/12 8:00 TNT Chicago at Charlotte
St 01/13 7:30 56 Boston at Miami
St 01/13 7:00 TBS Atlanta at Seattle
We 01/17 7:30 56 Boston at Orlando
We 01/17 8:00 TNT New York at San Antonio
Fr 01/19 7:30 SC Indiana at Boston
Fr 01/19 8:00 TNT Golden State at Detroit
Sn 01/21 12:00 CBS LA Lakers at Detroit
Sn 01/21 2:30 CBS New York at Chicago
Sn 01/21 7:30 SC Golden State at Boston
Tu 01/23 8:00 TNT LA Lakers at New York
We 01/24 7:30 SC Miami at Boston
We 01/24 7:30 TBS Cleveland at Atlanta
Th 01/25 7:30 56 Boston at Washington
Fr 01/26 8:00 TNT Seattle at Golden State
Sn 01/28 12:30 CBS Phoenix at Boston
Mo 01/29 7:30 TBS Atlanta at Chicago
Tu 01/30 7:30 TBS Detroit at Atlanta
We 01/31 8:00 SC/TNT New York at Boston
Th 02/01 7:30 TBS Atlanta at Phoenix
Fr 02/02 8:00 SC/TNT Boston at Minnesota
Fr 02/02 10:30 TNT Atlanta at LA Lakers
Sn 02/04 1:00 CBS Utah at Detroit / Philadelphia at Milwaukee
Sn 02/04 7:30 TBS Atlanta at Denver
Sn 02/04 7:30 SC Sacramento at Boston
Tu 02/06 7:30 SC Milwaukee at Boston (Hartford)
Tu 02/06 8:00 TNT Cleveland at Detroit
We 02/07 7:30 SC Charlotte at Boston
We 02/07 8:00 TNT Golden State at Philadelphia
We 02/07 10:30 TNT Chicago at LA Lakers
Th 02/08 7:30 TBS Atlanta at Houston
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Sn 02/11 2:45 CBS 40th All-Star Game (Miami)
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Tu 02/13 8:00 56/TNT Boston at Houston
We 02/14 8:30 56 Boston at San Antonio
Fr 02/16 8:00 TNT Atlanta at Cleveland
Fr 02/16 10:30 56/TNT Boston at Portland
Sn 02/18 3:30 CBS Boston at LA Lakers
Mo 02/19 1:30 CBS Houston at Chicago / Dallas at Cleveland
Tu 02/20 8:00 TNT LA Lakers at San Antonio
Tu 02/20 9:30 56 Boston at Phoenix
We 02/21 9:30 56 Boston at Utah
Fr 02/23 8:00 TNT Detroit at Atlanta
Fr 02/23 10:30 56 Boston at Golden State
St 02/24 7:30 TBS Houston at Atlanta
Sn 02/25 12:00 CBS Detroit at New York
Sn 02/25 4:00 56 Denver at Boston
Tu 02/27 8:00 TNT Dallas at New York
We 02/28 7:30 SC Dallas at Boston
We 02/28 7:30 TBS Indiana at Atlanta
Fr 03/02 7:30 56 Boston at Miami
Fr 03/02 8:00 TNT Philadelphia at Detroit
St 03/03 7:30 TBS Atlanta at New Jersey
Sn 03/04 2:00 CBS/SC Cleveland at Phoenix / Chicago at Boston
Tu 03/06 8:00 TNT Chicago at Milwaukee
We 03/07 7:30 SC Portland at Boston
Fr 03/09 7:30 SC Washington at Boston (Hartford)
Sn 03/11 12:00 CBS LA Lakers at Atlanta
Sn 03/11 1:00 SC Philadelphia at Boston
Tu 03/13 8:00 56/TNT Boston at Atlanta
We 03/14 8:30 56 Boston at Dallas
Fr 03/16 7:30 56 Boston at Orlando
St 03/17 7:30 TBS Atlanta at Washington
Sn 03/18 1:00 SC New Jersey at Boston
We 03/21 8:00 SC/TNT Cleveland at Boston
Fr 03/23 7:30 SC/TBS Atlanta at Boston
Mo 03/26 7:30 TBS Denver at Atlanta
Tu 03/27 7:30 56 Boston at Indiana
We 03/28 7:30 56 Boston at Philadelphia
We 03/28 8:00 TNT Chicago at Cleveland
Fr 03/30 7:30 SC Detroit at Boston
Fr 03/30 8:00 TNT New York at Chicago
Sn 04/01 1:00 SC Orlando at Boston
Sn 04/01 3:30 CBS Atlanta at Golden State / Utah at LA Lakers
Tu 04/03 7:30 56 Boston at Detroit
We 04/04 7:30 SC New Jersey at Boston
We 04/04 7:30 TBS Atlanta at Cleveland
Th 04/05 8:00 TNT Detroit at Atlanta
Fr 04/06 7:30 56 Boston at Cleveland
St 04/07 7:30 TBS Philadelphia at Atlanta
St 04/07 7:30 56 Boston at Miami
Sn 04/08 12:00 CBS Detroit at Cleveland
Tu 04/10 7:30 56 Boston at New Jersey
Tu 04/10 8:00 TNT Detroit at New York
We 04/11 7:30 TBS Milwaukee at Atlanta
Th 04/12 7:30 SC Miami at Boston
Th 04/12 8:00 TNT LA Lakers at Utah
Fr 04/13 8:00 TBS Atlanta at Detroit
St 04/14 8:00 TBS Atlanta at Milwaukee
Sn 04/15 1:00 CBS New York at Boston
Tu 04/17 8:00 TNT LA Lakers at Seattle
Tu 04/17 8:30 56 Boston at Chicago
We 04/18 7:30 SC Orlando at Boston
Fr 04/20 8:00 SC/TNT Chicago at Boston
Sn 04/22 1:00 56 Boston at Philadelphia
Sn 04/22 1:00 CBS New York at Cleveland / Chicago at Detroit
Sn 04/22 3:00 CBS Utah at Houston / Phoenix at San Antonio
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Notes: I'm sure some of these times are incorrect (i.e., some are LOCAL
times, not EST). Where there is one game listed simultaneously on more
than one channel, that means that one of them will be blacked out, again
depending on your location. Also, where there are two games listed at
the same time on the same channel, that means that either one of the two
games will be selected for your specific region, or that the two games will
be telecast back-to-back (a double-header). Check local listings for the
true schedule. (Hey, this is the best I could do.)
-stuart
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| 8.41 | | BSS::RIGGEN | Que pasa? UNO MAS who cares !!! | Mon Dec 18 1989 19:19 | 4 |
| What's the story on Ramon Ramos Seton Hall Grad ??
Heard he was in a serious Car Accident ???
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| 8.42 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Yabba Dabba Dooooo | Mon Dec 18 1989 19:27 | 7 |
| Jeff,
This has been reported elsewhere, but yes, ramos was involved in
car accident - he is in critical condition with multiple injuries
and is in a coma. He's given a 50-50 chance at survival.
JD
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| 8.43 | Sad one... | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Dec 18 1989 19:43 | 4 |
| He was on a Portland highway and reportedly hit a patch of snow and was
thrown out of the car. He wore no seat belt.
Charles
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| 8.44 | VERY serious condition | VINO::JMCCOLLUM | | Mon Dec 18 1989 20:10 | 2 |
| Ramos suffered "serious brain damage". His survival is definitely in doubt,
his chances of playing basketball again are almost nil.
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| 8.45 | Complete NBA schedule (long: 1100+ lines) | VINO::JMCCOLLUM | | Mon Dec 18 1989 20:24 | 1110 |
| Fri Nov-03 Milwaukee at Boston 7:30
Fri Nov-03 Washington at Charlotte 7:30
Fri Nov-03 New Jersey at Miami 7:30
Fri Nov-03 Indiana at Atlanta 7:30
Fri Nov-03 New York at Detroit 8:00 TNT
Fri Nov-03 Cleveland at Chicago 7:30
Fri Nov-03 L.A. Lakers at Dallas 7:30
Fri Nov-03 Denver at Utah 7:30
Fri Nov-03 Golden State at Phoenix 8:30 TNT
Fri Nov-03 Houston at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Fri Nov-03 Sacramento at Portland 7:30
Fri Nov-03 Minnesota at Seattle 7:00
Sat Nov-04 Miami at New York 7:30
Sat Nov-04 Milwaukee at Philadelphia 7:30
Sat Nov-04 Detroit at Washington 7:30
Sat Nov-04 New Jersey at Orlando 7:30
Sat Nov-04 Cleveland at Indiana 7:30
Sat Nov-04 Boston at Chicago 7:30
Sat Nov-04 L.A. Lakers at San Antonio 7:30
Sat Nov-04 Phoenix at Denver 7:30
Sat Nov-04 Houston at Golden State 7:30
Sat Nov-04 Seattle at Sacramento 7:30
Sun Nov-05 Minnesota at Portland 5:00
Mon Nov-06 New York at Orlando 7:30
Tue Nov-07 Miami at New Jersey 7:30
Tue Nov-07 Washington at Atlanta 7:30
Tue Nov-07 Detroit at Chicago 7:00 TNT
Tue Nov-07 Boston at Milwaukee 7:30
Tue Nov-07 Portland at Houston 7:30
Tue Nov-07 Phoenix at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Tue Nov-07 L.A. Clippers at Golden State 7:30
Tue Nov-07 Dallas at Sacramento 7:30
Tue Nov-07 Charlotte at Seattle 7:00
Wed Nov-08 Miami at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Nov-08 Boston at Washington 7:30
Wed Nov-08 Orlando at Cleveland 7:30
Wed Nov-08 Detroit at Indiana 7:30
Wed Nov-08 Chicago at Minnesota 7:00
Wed Nov-08 Portland at San Antonio 7:30
Wed Nov-08 Sacramento at Denver 7:30
Wed Nov-08 Charlotte at Utah 7:30
Wed Nov-08 Dallas at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Thu Nov-09 New Jersey at New York 7:30
Thu Nov-09 Seattle at Milwaukee 7:30
Thu Nov-09 Denver at Houston 7:30
Thu Nov-09 L.A. Lakers at Golden State 7:30
Fri Nov-10 Atlanta at Boston 8:00 TNT
Fri Nov-10 Chicago at New Jersey 7:30
Fri Nov-10 Cleveland at Washington (Balt.) 8:00
Fri Nov-10 Detroit at Orlando 7:30
Fri Nov-10 Miami at Indiana 7:30
Fri Nov-10 Philadelphia at Minnesota 7:00
Fri Nov-10 Portland at Dallas 7:30
Fri Nov-10 San Antonio at Utah 7:30
Fri Nov-10 Sacramento at Phoenix 8:30 TNT
Fri Nov-10 Charlotte at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Sat Nov-11 Detroit at Miami 7:30
Sat Nov-11 Orlando at Atlanta 7:30
Sat Nov-11 Boston at Cleveland 7:30
Sat Nov-11 Seattle at Chicago 7:30
Sat Nov-11 Philadelphia at Milwaukee 8:00
Sat Nov-11 Utah at Houston 7:30
Sat Nov-11 Denver at San Antonio 7:30
Sat Nov-11 New York at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Sat Nov-11 Charlotte at Golden State 7:30
Sun Nov-12 Seattle at Minnesota 7:00
Sun Nov-12 Dallas at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Sun Nov-12 Washington at Portland 5:00
Mon Nov-13 Atlanta ar Orlando 7:30
Mon Nov-13 Washington at Utah 7:30
Tue Nov-14 Philadelphia at Boston (Hart.) 7:30
Tue Nov-14 Cleveland at New Jersey 7:30
Tue Nov-14 Orlando at Charlotte 7:30
Tue Nov-14 Houston at Miami 7:30
Tue Nov-14 San Antonio at Milwaukee 7:00 TNT
Tue Nov-14 Golden State at Minnesota 7:00
Tue Nov-14 Denver at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Tue Nov-14 Chicago at Sacramento 7:30
Tue Nov-14 New York at Portland 7:30
Tue Nov-14 Dallas at Seattle 7:00
Wed Nov-15 New Jersey at Boston 7:30
Wed Nov-15 Charlotte at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Nov-15 Golden State at Cleveland 7:30
Wed Nov-15 Miami at Detroit 7:30
Wed Nov-15 San Antonio at Minnesota 7:00
Wed Nov-15 Washington at Denver 7:30
Wed Nov-15 Chicago at Utah 7:30
Wed Nov-15 Portland at Phoenix 7:30
Wed Nov-15 Indiana at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Thu Nov-16 Orlando at Milwaukee 7:30
Thu Nov-16 L.A. Clippers at Houston 7:30
Thu Nov-16 New York at Sacramento 7:30
Thu Nov-16 Washington at Seattle 7:00
Fri Nov-17 Minnesota at Boston 7:30
Fri Nov-17 San Antonio at Philadelphia 7:30
Fri Nov-17 Golden State at Charlotte 7:30
Fri Nov-17 Atlanta at Charlotte 7:30 TNT
Fri Nov-17 Milwaukee at Detroit 8:00
Fri Nov-17 L.A. Clippers at Dallas 7:30
Fri Nov-17 Indiana at Utah 7:30
Fri Nov-17 Denver at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Fri Nov-17 Portland at Phoenix 7:30
Sat Nov-18 Minnesota at New York 8:30
Sat Nov-18 San Antonio at New Jersey 7:30
Sat Nov-18 Philadelphia at Orlando 7:30
Sat Nov-18 Golden State at Atlanta 7:30
Sat Nov-18 Boston at Detroit 7:30
Sat Nov-18 Miami at Dallas 7:30
Sat Nov-18 Houston at Denver 7:30
Sat Nov-18 Washington at Phoenix 7:30
Sat Nov-18 Indiana at Sacramento 7:30
Sat Nov-18 Chicago at Seattle 7:00
Sun Nov-19 Miami at Houston 7:30
Sun Nov-19 Washington at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Sun Nov-19 Seattle at Portland 7:00
Tue Nov-21 Houston at New York 8:00 TNT
Tue Nov-21 Milwaukee at Washington 7:30
Tue Nov-21 Miami at Charlotte 7:30
Tue Nov-21 Atlanta at Detroit 7:30
Tue Nov-21 Boston at Indiana 7:30
Tue Nov-21 Utah at Minnesota 7:00
Tue Nov-21 Phoenix at San Antonio 7:30
Tue Nov-21 Dallas at Denver 7:30
Tue Nov-21 Orlando at Sacramento 7:30
Tue Nov-21 Chicago at Portland 7:30
Tue Nov-21 New Jersey at Seattle 7:00
Wed Nov-22 Houston at Boston 7:30
Wed Nov-22 Philadelphia at Miami 7:30
Wed Nov-22 New York at Cleveland 7:30
Wed Nov-22 Atlanta at Milwaukee 7:30
Wed Nov-22 Denver at Minnesota 7:00
Wed Nov-22 Orlando at Utah 7:30
Wed Nov-22 Chicago at Phoenix 7:30
Wed Nov-22 New Jersey at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Wed Nov-22 Sacramento at Golden State 7:30
Fri Nov-24 Indiana at Boston 7:30
Fri Nov-24 Washington at Philadelphia 7:30
Fri Nov-24 Houston at Charlotte 7:30
Fri Nov-24 Atlanta at Miami 7:30
Fri Nov-24 Cleveland at Detroit 8:00
Fri Nov-24 Minnesota at Dallas 7:30
Fri Nov-24 Seattle at Denver 7:30
Fri Nov-24 Orlando at Phoenix 7:30
Fri Nov-24 San Antonio at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Fri Nov-24 New Jersey at Portland 7:30
Sat Nov-25 Milwaukee at New York 1:00
Sat Nov-25 Miami at Washington 7:30
Sat Nov-25 Minnesota at Charlotte 7:30
Sat Nov-25 Boston at Atlanta 7:30
Sat Nov-25 Houston at Cleveland 7:30
Sat Nov-25 Philadelphia at Indiana 7:30
Sat Nov-25 Seattle at Dallas 7:30
Sat Nov-25 L.A. Lakers at Utah 1:30 CBS
Sat Nov-25 Chicago at Golden State 12:30 CBS
Sat Nov-25 New Jersey at Sacramento 7:30
Sun Nov-26 San Antonio at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Sun Nov-26 Chicago at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Sun Nov-26 Detroit at Portland 7:00
Mon Nov-27 Charlotte at New York 7:30
Mon Nov-27 Indiana at Milwaukee 7:30
Mon Nov-27 New Jersey at Utah 7:30
Tue Nov-28 Miami at Orlando 8:00 TNT
Tue Nov-28 Washington at Cleveland 7:30
Tue Nov-28 Atlanta at Chicago 7:30
Tue Nov-28 L.A. Lakers at Houston 7:30
Tue Nov-28 Seattle at San Antonio 7:30
Tue Nov-28 Golden State at Denver 7:30
Tue Nov-28 Detroit at Sacramento 7:30
Tue Nov-28 L.A. Clippers at Portland 7:30
Wed Nov-29 Boston at New Jersey 7:30
Wed Nov-29 Cleveland at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Nov-29 Atlanta at Washington 7:30
Wed Nov-29 Minnesota at Miami 7:30
Wed Nov-29 Utah at Indiana 7:30
Wed Nov-29 Charlotte at Dallas 7:30
Wed Nov-29 Detroit at Phoenix 7:30
Wed Nov-29 Milwaukee at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Wed Nov-29 New York at Golden State 7:30
Thu Nov-30 Minnesota at Orlando 7:30
Thu Nov-30 Charlotte at Houston 7:30
Thu Nov-30 Dallas at San Antonio 7:30
Thu Nov-30 Milwaukee at Denver 7:30
Thu Nov-30 L.A. Lakers at Sacramento 7:30
Thu Nov-30 New York at Seattle 7:00
Fri Dec-01 Cleveland at Boston 7:30
Fri Dec-01 Miami at New Jersey 7:30
Fri Dec-01 Philadelphia at Washington (B) 8:00
Fri Dec-01 Utah at Atlanta 8:00 TNT
Fri Dec-01 Orlando at Indiana 7:30
Fri Dec-01 L.A. Clippers at Phoenix 7:30
Fri Dec-01 Detroit at L.A. Lakers 7:30 TNT
Fri Dec-01 Golden State at Portland 7:30
Sat Dec-02 Utah at Washington 7:30
Sat Dec-02 Chicago at Miami 7:30
Sat Dec-02 Philadelphia at Atlanta 7:30
Sat Dec-02 Minnesota at Cleveland 7:30
Sat Dec-02 Dallas at Houston 7:30
Sat Dec-02 Charlotte at San Antonio 7:30
Sat Dec-02 Portland at Denver 7:30
Sat Dec-02 New York at Phoenix 7:30
Sat Dec-02 Sacramento at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Sat Dec-02 Milwaukee at Golden State 7:30
Sat Dec-02 Detroit at Seattle 7:00
Sun Dec-03 New York at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Mon Dec-04 Portland at Orlando 7:30
Tue Dec-05 Philadelphia at New York 7:30
Tue Dec-05 Boston at Charlotte 7:30
Tue Dec-05 Portland at Miami 7:30
Tue Dec-05 Utah at Cleveland 7:30
Tue Dec-05 Denver at Chicago 7:00 TNT
Tue Dec-05 New Jersey at Minnesota 7:00
Tue Dec-05 Golden State at Dallas 7:30
Tue Dec-05 L.A. Clippers at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Tue Dec-05 Milwaukee at Sacramento 7:30
Tue Dec-05 Houston at Seattle 7:00
Wed Dec-06 New York at Boston 7:30
Wed Dec-06 Miami at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Dec-06 Atlanta at Orlando 7:30
Wed Dec-06 Washington at Detroit 7:30
Wed Dec-06 Denver at Indiana 7:30
Wed Dec-06 Golden State at San Antonio 7:30
Thu Dec-07 Portland at Charlotte 7:30
Thu Dec-07 Dallas at Utah 7:30
Thu Dec-07 Phoenix at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Thu Dec-07 Cleveland at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Fri Dec-08 Denver at Boston 7:30
Fri Dec-08 Detroit at Philadelphia 7:30
Fri Dec-08 Orlando at Miami 7:30
Fri Dec-08 Portland at Atlanta 7:30
Fri Dec-08 Chicago at Indiana 8:00 TNT
Fri Dec-08 New Jersey at Houston 7:30
Fri Dec-08 San Antonio at Dallas 7:30
Fri Dec-08 Milwaukee at Phoenix 7:30
Fri Dec-08 Sacramento at Golden State 7:30
Sat Dec-09 Boston at New York 7:30
Sat Dec-09 L.A. Lakers at Washington 7:30
Sat Dec-09 Denver at Charlotte 7:30
Sat Dec-09 Minnesota at Atlanta 7:30
Sat Dec-09 Indiana at Detroit 7:30
Sat Dec-09 Philadelphia at Chicago 7:30
Sat Dec-09 New Jersey at San Antonio 7:30
Sat Dec-09 Houston at Utah 7:30
Sat Dec-09 Cleveland at Sacramento 7:30
Sat Dec-09 L.A. Clippers at Seattle 7:00
Sun Dec-10 L.A. Lakers at Orlando 7:30
Sun Dec-10 Portland at Milwaukee 7:30
Mon Dec-11 Cleveland at Utah 7:30
Tue Dec-12 Philadelphia at New Jersey 8:00 TNT
Tue Dec-12 L.A. Lakers at Charlotte 8:00
Tue Dec-12 San Antonio at Atlanta 7:30
Tue Dec-12 Milwaukee at Indiana 7:30
Tue Dec-12 Dallas at Chicago 7:30
Tue Dec-12 Orlando at Milwaukee 7:30
Tue Dec-12 Phoenix at Houston 7:30
Tue Dec-12 Detroit at Denver 7:30
Tue Dec-12 Golden State at Sacramento 7:30
Tue Dec-12 L.A. Clippers at Portland 7:30
Wed Dec-13 Seattle at Boston 7:30
Wed Dec-13 Atlanta at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Dec-13 L.A. Lakers at Miami 7:30
Wed Dec-13 Milwaukee at Cleveland 7:30
Wed Dec-13 Dallas at Minnesota 7:00
Wed Dec-13 Phoenix at Utah 7:30
Wed Dec-13 Detroit at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Wed Dec-13 Denver at Golden State 7:30
Thu Dec-14 Indiana at New Jersey 7:30
Thu Dec-14 Charlotte at Washington 7:30
Thu Dec-14 Orlando at Chicago 7:30
Thu Dec-14 Houston at San Antonio 7:30
Fri Dec-15 L.A. Lakers at Boston 8:00 TNT
Fri Dec-15 Dallas at Philadelphia 7:30
Fri Dec-15 New York at Atlanta 7:30
Fri Dec-15 Seattle at Cleveland 7:30
Fri Dec-15 Milwaukee at Indiana 7:30
Fri Dec-15 Miami at Minnesota 7:00
Fri Dec-15 Sacramento at Denver 7:30
Fri Dec-15 Detroit at Utah 7:30
Fri Dec-15 Houston at Phoenix 7:30
Fri Dec-15 Golden State at Portland 7:30
Sat Dec-16 Seattle at New York 7:30
Sat Dec-16 L.A. Lakers at New Jersey 7:30
Sat Dec-16 Dallas at Washington 7:30
Sat Dec-16 Charlotte at Chicago 7:30
Sat Dec-16 Miami at Milwaukee 8:00
Sat Dec-16 Orlando at San Antonio 7:30
Sat Dec-16 Denver at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Sat Dec-16 Detroit at Golden State 7:30
Sun Dec-17 Utah at Minnesota 7:00
Sun Dec-17 Orlando at Houston 7:30
Sun Dec-17 Phoenix at Sacramento 6:00
Sun Dec-17 Indiana at Portland 5:00
Tue Dec-19 Utah at New York 7:30
Tue Dec-19 Minnesota at Washington 7:30
Tue Dec-19 Dallas at Charlotte 7:30
Tue Dec-19 New Jersey at Miami 7:30
Tue Dec-19 Sacramento at Atlanta 7:30
Tue Dec-19 Seattle at Detroit 7:30
Tue Dec-19 L.A. Lakers at Chicago 7:00 TNT
Tue Dec-19 Boston at Milwaukee 7:30
Tue Dec-19 Indiana at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Tue Dec-19 Houston at Portland 7:30
Wed Dec-20 Utah at Boston 7:30
Wed Dec-20 Dallas at New Jersey 7:30
Wed Dec-20 Washington at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Dec-20 Chicago at Orlando 7:30
Wed Dec-20 Denver at Cleveland 7:30
Wed Dec-20 L.A. Lakers at Minnesota 7:00
Wed Dec-20 Sacramento at San Antonio 7:30
Wed Dec-20 Indiana at Phoenix 7:30
Wed Dec-20 Houston at Golden State 7:30
Thu Dec-21 Atlanta at Miami 7:30
Thu Dec-21 Portland at Seattle 7:00
Fri Dec-22 Philadelphia at Boston 7:30
Fri Dec-22 Detroit at New Jersey 7:30
Fri Dec-22 New York at Washington 8:00 TNT
Fri Dec-22 Utah at Charlotte 7:30
Fri Dec-22 Denver at Orlando 7:30
Fri Dec-22 Chicago at Atlanta 7:30
Fri Dec-22 Cleveland at Milwaukee 8:00
Fri Dec-22 Sacramento at Houston 7:30
Fri Dec-22 L.A. Clippers at Dallas 7:30
Fri Dec-22 San Antonio at Phoenix 7:30
Fri Dec-22 Indiana at Golden State 7:30
Sat Dec-23 New Jersey at New York 7:30
Sat Dec-23 Chicago at Philadelphia 7:30
Sat Dec-23 Denver at Miami 7:30
Sat Dec-23 Orlando at Detroit 7:30
Sat Dec-23 Milwaukee at Minnesota 7:00
Sat Dec-23 Sacramento at Dallas 7:30
Sat Dec-23 Utah at San Antonio 7:30
Sat Dec-23 L.A. Clippers at Phoenix 7:30
Sat Dec-23 Indiana at Seattle 7:00
Mon Dec-25 Cleveland at Atlanta 3:30 CBS
Tue Dec-26 Washington at New Jersey 7:30
Tue Dec-26 San Antonio at Charlotte 7:30
Tue Dec-26 New York at Miami 7:30
Tue Dec-26 Orlando at Indiana 7:30
Tue Dec-26 Minnesota at Chicago 7:30
Tue Dec-26 Houston at Milwaukee 7:30
Tue Dec-26 Philadelphia at Denver 7:30
Tue Dec-26 Golden State at Utah 7:30
Tue Dec-26 Portland at Phoenix 7:30
Tue Dec-26 Sacramento at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Tue Dec-26 Boston at L.A. Clippers 5:00 TNT
Wed Dec-27 San Antonio at Washington 7:30
Wed Dec-27 Indiana at Orlando 7:30
Wed Dec-27 Detroit at Cleveland 7:30
Wed Dec-27 Houston at Minnesota 7:00
Wed Dec-27 Atlanta at Dallas 7:30
Wed Dec-27 Boston at Sacramento 7:30
Wed Dec-27 Philadelphia at Seattle 7:00
Thu Dec-28 New York at New Jersey 7:30
Thu Dec-28 Cleveland at Charlotte 7:30
Thu Dec-28 Miami at Denver 7:30
Thu Dec-28 Portland at Utah 7:30
Thu Dec-28 Golden State at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Fri Dec-29 Washington at Detroit 8:00
Fri Dec-29 Houston at Indiana 7:30
Fri Dec-29 San Antonio at Chicago 7:30
Fri Dec-29 Phoenix at Minnesota 7:00
Fri Dec-29 Portland at Dallas 7:30
Fri Dec-29 Golden State at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Fri Dec-29 Philadelphia at Sacramento 7:30
Fri Dec-29 Boston at Seattle 7:00
Sat Dec-30 Orlando at New York 1:00
Sat Dec-30 Chicago at Washington 7:30
Sat Dec-30 Houston at Charlotte 7:30
Sat Dec-30 Phoenix at Cleveland 7:30
Sat Dec-30 New York at Detroit 7:30
Sat Dec-30 Atlanta at Indiana 7:30
Sat Dec-30 Minnesota at Milwaukee 8:00
Sat Dec-30 Denver at Dallas 7:30
Sat Dec-30 Miami at Utah 1:30
Sat Dec-30 Philadelphia at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Tue Jan-02 Phoenix at New York 8:00 TNT
Tue Jan-02 New Jersey at Washington 7:30
Tue Jan-02 Detroit at Orlando 7:30
Tue Jan-02 Milwaukee at Atlanta 7:30
Tue Jan-02 L.A. Clippers at Minnesota 7:00
Tue Jan-02 Indiana at Dallas 7:30
Tue Jan-02 Utah at Golden State 7:30
Tue Jan-02 Miami at Portland 7:30
Wed Jan-03 Washington at Boston 7:30
Wed Jan-03 Milwaukee at New Jersey 7:30
Wed Jan-03 Chicago at Cleveland 7:30
Wed Jan-03 L.A. Clippers at Detroit 7:30
Wed Jan-03 Indiana at Houston 7:30
Wed Jan-03 Philadelphia at San Antonio 7:30
Wed Jan-03 Denver at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Wed Jan-03 Utah at Seattle 7:00
Thu Jan-04 Atlanta at New York 7:30
Thu Jan-04 Charlotte at Minnesota 7:00
Thu Jan-04 Dallas at Phoenix 7:30
Thu Jan-04 Miami at Golden State 7:30
Thu Jan-04 Denver at Sacramento 7:30
Fri Jan-05 L.A. Clippers at Boston 7:30
Fri Jan-05 Washington at Cleveland 7:30
Fri Jan-05 Indiana at Detroit 8:00
Fri Jan-05 Orlando at Chicago 7:30
Fri Jan-05 Philadelphia at Dallas 7:00 TNT
Fri Jan-05 Utah at Portland 7:30
Fri Jan-05 Miami at Seattle 7:00
Sat Jan-06 Boston at Washington 7:30
Sat Jan-06 Indiana at Charlotte 7:30
Sat Jan-06 Cleveland at Orlando 7:30
Sat Jan-06 New Jersey at Atlanta 7:30
Sat Jan-06 New York at Detroit 7:30
Sat Jan-06 Chicago at Milwaukee 8:00
Sat Jan-06 Philadelphia at Houston 7:30
Sat Jan-06 Minnesota at San Antonio 7:30
Sat Jan-06 Utah at Denver 7:30
Sat Jan-06 L.A. Lakers at Golden State 7:30
Sat Jan-06 Portland at Sacramento 7:30
Sat Jan-06 Phoenix at Seattle 7:00
Sun Jan-07 L.A. Clippers at New York 7:30
Sun Jan-07 Atlanta at New Jersey 7:00
Sun Jan-07 Miami at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Mon Jan-08 Indiana at Philadelphia 7:30
Mon Jan-08 San Antonio at Orlando 7:30
Mon Jan-08 Charlotte at Milwaukee 7:30
Mon Jan-08 Seattle at Dallas 7:30
Mon Jan-08 Denver at Golden State 7:30
Mon Jan-08 Sacramento at Portland 7:30
Tue Jan-09 Washington at New York 7:30
Tue Jan-09 Boston at New Jersey 7:30
Tue Jan-09 L.A. Clippers at Charlotte 7:30
Tue Jan-09 San Antonio at Miami 7:30
Tue Jan-09 Chicago at Detroit 7:30
Tue Jan-09 Seattle at Houston 7:30
Tue Jan-09 L.A. Lakers at Phoenix 6:00 TNT
Tue Jan-09 Minnesota at Sacramento 7:30
Wed Jan-10 Detroit at Boston 7:30
Wed Jan-10 New York at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Jan-10 L.A. Clippers at Atlanta 7:30
Wed Jan-10 Milwaukee at Cleveland 7:30
Wed Jan-10 Chicago at Indiana 7:30
Wed Jan-10 Denver at Utah 7:30
Wed Jan-10 Orlando at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Wed Jan-10 Dallas at Golden State 7:30
Thu Jan-11 Charlotte at New Jersey 7:30
Thu Jan-11 Washington at Miami 7:30
Thu Jan-11 Portland at Minnesota 7:00
Thu Jan-11 Orlando at Denver 7:30
Thu Jan-11 Houston at Sacramento 7:30
Thu Jan-11 Dallas at Seattle 7:00
Fri Jan-12 San Antonio at Boston 7:30
Fri Jan-12 Chicago at Philadelphia 7:30
Fri Jan-12 Chicago at Charlotte 8:00 TNT
Fri Jan-12 Minnesota at Detroit 8:00
Fri Jan-12 New York at Indiana 7:30
Fri Jan-12 L.A. Clippers at Milwaukee 8:00
Fri Jan-12 Sacramento at Phoenix 7:30
Fri Jan-12 Houston at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Sat Jan-13 San Antonio at New York 8:00
Sat Jan-13 Philadelphia at Washington 7:30
Sat Jan-13 Boston at Miami 7:30
Sat Jan-13 New Jersey at Cleveland 7:30
Sat Jan-13 Portland at Detroit 7:30
Sat Jan-13 Milwaukee at Indiana 7:30
Sat Jan-13 L.A. Clippers at Chicago 7:30
Sat Jan-13 Utah at Dallas 7:30
Sat Jan-13 Phoenix at Denver 7:30
Sat Jan-13 Orlando at Golden State 7:30
Sat Jan-13 Atlanta at Seattle 7:00
Sun Jan-14 Portland at New Jersey 7:00
Mon Jan-15 Chicago at New York 1:00
Mon Jan-15 Miami at Washington 1:00
Mon Jan-15 San Antonio at Cleveland 2:30
Mon Jan-15 Golden State at Indiana 7:30
Mon Jan-15 Dallas at Denver 2:00
Mon Jan-15 Charlotte at Phoenix 7:30
Mon Jan-15 Sacramento at L.A. Lakers 2:00
Mon Jan-15 Houston at Seattle 7:00
Tue Jan-16 Golden State at Milwaukee 7:30
Tue Jan-16 Charlotte at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Tue Jan-16 Atlanta at Sacramento 7:30
Tue Jan-16 Denver at Portland 7:30
Wed Jan-17 Washington at New Jersey 7:30
Wed Jan-17 Detroit at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Jan-17 Boston at Orlando 7:30
Wed Jan-17 Indiana at Miami 7:30
Wed Jan-17 Cleveland at Houston 7:30
Wed Jan-17 Phoenix at Dallas 7:30
Wed Jan-17 New York at San Antonio 7:00 TNT
Wed Jan-17 Atlanta at Utah 7:30
Wed Jan-17 Seattle at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Thu Jan-18 Milwaukee at Washington 7:30
Thu Jan-18 Golden State at Chicago 7:30
Thu Jan-18 Charlotte at Denver 7:30
Thu Jan-18 Minnesota at Phoenix 7:30
Thu Jan-18 Seattle at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Fri Jan-19 Indiana at Boston 7:30
Fri Jan-19 New Jersey at Orlando 7:30
Fri Jan-19 Philadelphia at Miami 7:30
Fri Jan-19 Chicago at Atlanta 8:00
Fri Jan-19 Golden State at Detroit 8:00 TNT
Fri Jan-19 L.A. Lakers at Milwaukee 8:00
Fri Jan-19 New York at Dallas 7:30
Fri Jan-19 Cleveland at San Antonio 7:30
Fri Jan-19 Charlotte at Utah 7:30
Sat Jan-20 New Jersey at Philadelphia 8:00
Sat Jan-20 Washington at Houston 7:30
Sat Jan-20 Cleveland at Dallas 7:30
Sat Jan-20 San Antonio at Denver 7:30
Sat Jan-20 Seattle at Phoenix 7:30
Sat Jan-20 Minnesota at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Sat Jan-20 Utah at Sacramento 7:30
Sun Jan-21 Golden State at Boston 7:30
Sun Jan-21 L.A. Lakers at Detroit 12:00 CBS
Sun Jan-21 New York at Chicago 1:30 CBS
Sun Jan-21 Miami at Milwaukee 1:30
Sun Jan-21 Charlotte at Portland 5:00
Mon Jan-22 Phoenix at Orlando 7:30
Mon Jan-22 Denver at Houston 7:30
Mon Jan-22 Washington at San Antonio 7:30
Mon Jan-22 L.A. Clippers at Sacramento 7:30
Tue Jan-23 L.A. Lakers at New York 8:00 TNT
Tue Jan-23 Atlanta at Charlotte 7:30
Tue Jan-23 Phoenix at Miami 7:30
Tue Jan-23 Philadelphia at Cleveland 7:30
Tue Jan-23 Detroit at Chicago 7:30
Tue Jan-23 Washington at Dallas 7:30
Tue Jan-23 Houston at Utah 7:30
Tue Jan-23 Minnesota at Golden State 7:30
Tue Jan-23 Milwaukee at Portland 7:30
Wed Jan-24 Miami at Boston 7:30
Wed Jan-24 Orlando at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Jan-24 Cleveland at Atlanta 7:30
Wed Jan-24 L.A. Lakers at Indiana 7:30
Wed Jan-24 L.A. Clippers at San Antonio 7:30
Wed Jan-24 Golden State at Sacramento 7:30
Wed Jan-24 New York at Utah 7:30
Thu Jan-25 Orlando at New Jersey 7:30
Thu Jan-25 Boston at Washington 7:30
Thu Jan-25 Phoenix at Charlotte 7:30
Thu Jan-25 L.A. Clippers at Houston 7:30
Thu Jan-25 New York at Utah 7:30
Fri Jan-26 Chicago at Philadelphia 7:30
Fri Jan-26 Phoenix at Detroit 8:00
Fri Jan-26 Miami at Indiana 7:30
Fri Jan-26 Cleveland at Minnesota 7:00
Fri Jan-26 Sacramento at Dallas 7:30
Fri Jan-26 Milwaukee at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Fri Jan-26 Seattle at Golden State 5:00 TNT
Fri Jan-26 San Antonio at Portland 7:30
Sat Jan-27 Washington at Philadelphia 7:30
Sat Jan-27 Sacramento at Charlotte 7:30
Sat Jan-27 Atlanta at Orlando 7:30
Sat Jan-27 Cleveland at Indiana 7:30
Sat Jan-27 New York at Chicago 7:30
Sat Jan-27 Detroit at Minnesota 7:00
Sat Jan-27 Dallas at Houston 7:30
Sat Jan-27 New York at Denver 7:30
Sat Jan-27 Milwaukee at Utah 7:30
Sat Jan-27 Portland at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Sat Jan-27 San Antonio at Seattle 7:00
Sun Jan-28 Phoenix at Boston 12:30 CBS
Mon Jan-29 Atlanta at Chicago 7:30
Mon Jan-29 Sacramento at Minnesota 7:00
Mon Jan-29 New York at Dallas 7:30
Mon Jan-29 San Antonio at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Tue Jan-30 Indiana at Orlando 7:30
Tue Jan-30 Cleveland at Miami 7:30
Tue Jan-30 Detroit at Atlanta 7:30
Tue Jan-30 Sacramento at Milwaukee 7:30
Tue Jan-30 New Jersey at Phoenix 7:30
Tue Jan-30 L.A. Lakers at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Tue Jan-30 Utah at Portland 7:30
Wed Jan-31 New York at Boston 8:00 TNT
Wed Jan-31 Washington at Detroit 7:30
Wed Jan-31 Philadelphia at Indiana 7:30
Wed Jan-31 Seattle at Minnesota 7:30
Wed Jan-31 Houston at Dallas 7:30
Wed Jan-31 Charlotte at San Antonio 7:30
Wed Jan-31 L.A. Clippers at Utah 7:30
Wed Jan-31 Portland at Golden State 7:30
Thu Feb-01 Sacramento at New York 7:30
Thu Feb-01 Orlando at Milwaukee 7:30
Thu Feb-01 Chicago at Houston 7:30
Thu Feb-01 New Jersey at Denver 7:30
Thu Feb-01 Atlanta at Phoenix 7:30
Fri Feb-02 Milwaukee at Phoenix 7:30
Fri Feb-02 Sacramento at Washington 8:00
Fri Feb-02 San Antonio at Charlotte 7:30
Fri Feb-02 L.A. Clippers at Miami 7:30
Fri Feb-02 Seattle at Indiana 7:30
Fri Feb-02 Boston at Minnesota 7:00 TNT
Fri Feb-02 Dallas at Utah 7:30
Fri Feb-02 Atlanta at L.A. Lakers 7:30 TNT
Fri Feb-02 New Jersey at Golden State 7:30
Sat Feb-03 Indiana at New York 7:30
Sat Feb-03 Seattle at Washington 7:30
Sat Feb-03 L.A. Clippers at Orlando 7:30
Sat Feb-03 Detroit at Cleveland 1:30
Sat Feb-03 Chicago at San Antonio 7:30
Sat Feb-03 Houston at Phoenix 7:30
Sat Feb-03 Dallas at Portland 7:30
Sun Feb-04 Sacramento at Boston 7:30
Sun Feb-04 Utah at Detroit 1:00 CBS
Sun Feb-04 Philadelphia at Milwaukee 12:00 CBS
Sun Feb-04 Golden State at Minnesota 2:30
Sun Feb-04 Atlanta at Denver 2:00
Sun Feb-04 New Jersey at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Sun Feb-04 Phoenix at Portland 7:30
Mon Feb-05 Miami at New York 7:30
Mon Feb-05 Utah at Philadelphia 7:30
Mon Feb-05 Golden State at Washington 7:30
Mon Feb-05 Seattle at Charlotte 7:30
Mon Feb-05 L.A. Clippers at Cleveland 7:30
Tue Feb-06 Milwaukee at Boston (Hart.) 7:30
Tue Feb-06 New York at Orlando 7:30
Tue Feb-06 Washington at Miami 7:30
Tue Feb-06 Cleveland at Detroit 8:00 TNT
Tue Feb-06 Minnesota at Houston 7:30
Tue Feb-06 Atlanta at San Antonio 7:30
Tue Feb-06 Indiana at Denver 7:30
Tue Feb-06 Dallas at Sacramento 7:30
Tue Feb-06 L.A. Lakers at Portland 7:30
Wed Feb-07 Charlotte at Boston 7:30
Wed Feb-07 Utah at New Jersey 7:30
Wed Feb-07 Golden State at Philadelphia 8:00 TNT
Wed Feb-07 Chicago at L.A. Lakers 7:30 TNT
Wed Feb-07 Phoenix at Seattle 7:00
Thu Feb-08 Golden State at New York 7:30
Thu Feb-08 L.A. Clippers at Washington 7:30
Thu Feb-08 Utah at Charlotte 7:30
Thu Feb-08 Philadelphia at Orlando 7:30
Thu Feb-08 Miami at Cleveland 7:30
Thu Feb-08 Detroit at Milwaukee 7:30
Thu Feb-08 Atlanta at Houston 7:30
Thu Feb-08 Minnesota at Dallas 7:30
Thu Feb-08 Indiana at San Antonio 7:30
Thu Feb-08 Chicago at Denver 7:30
Fri Feb-09 All-Star Friday Night Special 8:00 TNT
Sat Feb-10 All-Star Saturday 8:00 TNT
Sun Feb-11 All-Star Game 3:00 CBS
Tue Feb-13 Chicago at Miami 7:30
Tue Feb-13 New York at Atlanta 7:30
Tue Feb-13 Denver at Detroit 7:30
Tue Feb-13 Charlotte at Indiana 7:30
Tue Feb-13 Boston at Houston 7:00 TNT
Tue Feb-13 San Antonio at Dallas 7:30
Tue Feb-13 Minnesota at Utah 7:30
Tue Feb-13 Phoenix at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Tue Feb-13 Washington at Sacramento 7:30
Tue Feb-13 Portland at Seattle 7:00
Wed Feb-14 New Jersey at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Feb-14 Chicago at Orlando 7:30
Wed Feb-14 Indiana at Cleveland 7:30
Wed Feb-14 Denver at Milwaukee 7:30
Wed Feb-14 Charlotte at Minnesota 7:00
Wed Feb-14 Boston at San Antonio 7:30
Wed Feb-14 Utah at Phoenix 7:30
Wed Feb-14 Portland at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Thu Feb-15 Seattle at New Jersey 7:30
Thu Feb-15 Orlando at Atlanta 7:30
Thu Feb-15 New York at Houston 7:30
Thu Feb-15 Washington at Golden State 7:30
Thu Feb-15 L.A. Lakers at Sacramento 7:30
Fri Feb-16 Seattle at Philadelphia 7:30
Fri Feb-16 Denver at Charlotte 7:30
Fri Feb-16 Atlanta at Cleveland 8:00 TNT
Fri Feb-16 Miami at Chicago 7:30
Fri Feb-16 Indiana at Minnesota 7:00
Fri Feb-16 Utah at San Antonio 7:30
Fri Feb-16 Golden State at Phoenix 7:30
Fri Feb-16 Washington at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Fri Feb-16 Boston at Portland 7:30 TNT
Sat Feb-17 Cleveland at New York 7:30
Sat Feb-17 Denver at New Jersey 7:30
Sat Feb-17 Detroit at Miami 7:30
Sat Feb-17 San Antonio at Houston 7:30
Sat Feb-17 Orlando at Dallas 7:30
Sat Feb-17 Sacramento at Utah 7:30
Sun Feb-18 Indiana at Washington (Balt.) 1:00
Sun Feb-18 Seattle at Charlotte 1:00
Sun Feb-18 Chicago at Milwaukee 1:30
Sun Feb-18 Atlanta at Minnesota 7:00
Sun Feb-18 Boston at L.A. Lakers 12:30 CBS
Sun Feb-18 Phoenix at Golden State 3:00
Sun Feb-18 Philadelphia at Portland 5:00
Mon Feb-19 Dallas at Cleveland 1:30 CBS
Mon Feb-19 Miami at Detroit 7:30
Mon Feb-19 Houston at Chicago 12:30 CBS
Mon Feb-19 Golden State at Denver 7:30
Mon Feb-19 Philadelphia at Utah 7:30
Mon Feb-19 Sacramento at L.A. Clippers 3:00
Tue Feb-20 Portland at Charlotte 7:30
Tue Feb-20 Seattle at Orlando 7:30
Tue Feb-20 Washington at Atlanta 7:30
Tue Feb-20 New Jersey at Milwaukee 7:30
Tue Feb-20 Houston at Minnesota 7:00
Tue Feb-20 L.A. Lakers at San Antonio 7:00 TNT
Tue Feb-20 Boston at Phoenix 7:30
Tue Feb-20 L.A. Clippers at Sacramento 7:30
Wed Feb-21 Minnesota at New Jersey 7:30
Wed Feb-21 Seattle at Miami 7:30
Wed Feb-21 Portland at Cleveland 7:30
Wed Feb-21 Orlando at Detroit 7:30
Wed Feb-21 Atlanta at Indiana 7:30
Wed Feb-21 L.A. Lakers at Denver 7:30
Wed Feb-21 Boston at Utah 7:30
Wed Feb-21 Philadelphia at Golden State 7:30
Thu Feb-22 New York at Washington 7:30
Thu Feb-22 Dallas at Milwaukee 7:30
Thu Feb-22 Utah at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Thu Feb-22 Phoenix at Sacramento 7:30
Fri Feb-23 Houston at New Jersey 7:30
Fri Feb-23 Milwaukee at Charlotte 7:30
Fri Feb-23 New York at Miami 7:30
Fri Feb-23 Detroit at Atlanta 8:00 TNT
Fri Feb-23 Orlando at Cleveland 7:30
Fri Feb-23 Dallas at Indiana 7:30
Fri Feb-23 Portland at Chicago 7:30
Fri Feb-23 Minnesota at San Antonio 7:30
Fri Feb-23 L.A. Clippers at Denver 7:30
Fri Feb-23 Philadelphia at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Fri Feb-23 Boston at Golden State 7:30
Fri Feb-23 Sacramento at Seattle 7:00
Sat Feb-24 Orlando at Washington 7:30
Sat Feb-24 Houston at Atlanta 7:30
Sat Feb-24 Philadelphia at Phoenix 7:30
Sun Feb-25 Detroit at New York 12:00 CBS
Sun Feb-25 Chicago at New Jersey 3:00
Sun Feb-25 Milwaukee at Miami 7:30
Sun Feb-25 Charlotte at Cleveland 2:30
Sun Feb-25 Portland at Indiana 2:30
Sun Feb-25 Dallas at Minnesota 2:30
Sun Feb-25 Boston at Denver 2:00
Sun Feb-25 Utah at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Sun Feb-25 San Antonio at L.A. Clippers 6:00
Sun Feb-25 Golden State at Seattle 7:00
Mon Feb-26 Orlando at Philadelphia 7:30
Mon Feb-26 Miami at Atlanta 7:30
Mon Feb-26 San Antonio at Sacramento 7:30
Tue Feb-27 Dallas at New York 8:00 TNT
Tue Feb-27 Charlotte at Orlando 7:30
Tue Feb-27 Houston at Detroit 7:30
Tue Feb-27 New Jersey at Indiana 7:30
Tue Feb-27 Milwaukee at Chicago 7:30
Tue Feb-27 Washington at Minnesota 7:00
Tue Feb-27 Denver at Phoenix 7:30
Tue Feb-27 Seattle at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Tue Feb-27 Cleveland at Portland 7:30
Wed Feb-28 Dallas at Boston 7:30
Wed Feb-28 Sacramento at Miami 7:30
Wed Feb-28 Indiana at Atlanta 7:30
Wed Feb-28 San Antonio at Golden State 7:30
Wed Feb-28 L.A. Lakers at Seattle 7:00
Thu Mar-01 Philadelphia at New York 7:30
Thu Mar-01 Detroit at Washington 7:30
Thu Mar-01 L.A. Clippers at Charlotte 7:30
Thu Mar-01 Sacramento at Orlando 7:30
Thu Mar-01 Phoenix at Houston 7:30
Thu Mar-01 Cleveland at Denver 7:30
Thu Mar-01 Portland at Utah 7:30
Fri Mar-02 Boston at Miami 7:30
Fri Mar-02 Milwaukee at Atlanta 7:30
Fri Mar-02 Philadelphia at Detroit 8:00 TNT
Fri Mar-02 New Jersey at Chicago 7:30
Fri Mar-02 Phoenix at Dallas 7:30
Fri Mar-02 Golden State at San Antonio 7:30
Fri Mar-02 Cleveland at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Fri Mar-02 Minnesota at Seattle 7:00
Sat Mar-03 Atlanta at New Jersey 7:30
Sat Mar-03 Sacramento at Charlotte 7:30
Sat Mar-03 Washington at Orlando 7:30
Sat Mar-03 L.A. Clippers at Indiana 7:30
Sat Mar-03 New York at Milwaukee 8:00
Sat Mar-03 Golden State at Houston 7:30
Sat Mar-03 Dallas at Denver 7:30
Sat Mar-03 San Antonio at Utah 7:30
Sat Mar-03 Seattle at Portland 7:30
Sun Mar-04 Chicago at Boston 2:00 CBS
Sun Mar-04 Indiana at Detroit 7:00
Sun Mar-04 Cleveland at Phoenix 12:00 CBS
Sun Mar-04 Minnesota at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Mon Mar-05 Sacramento at New Jersey 7:30
Mon Mar-05 L.A. Clippers at Philadelphia 7:30
Mon Mar-05 Utah at Miami 7:30
Mon Mar-05 Houston at San Antonio 7:30
Mon Mar-05 Charlotte at Golden State 7:30
Tue Mar-06 Portland at New York 7:30
Tue Mar-06 Utah at Orlando 7:30
Tue Mar-06 Phoenix at Atlanta 7:30
Tue Mar-06 Sacramento at Detroit 7:30
Tue Mar-06 Washington at Indiana 7:30
Tue Mar-06 Chicago at Milwaukee 7:00 TNT
Tue Mar-06 L.A. Lakers at Houston 7:30
Tue Mar-06 Charlotte at Denver 7:30
Tue Mar-06 Cleveland at Seattle 7:00
Wed Mar-07 Portland at Boston 7:30
Wed Mar-07 L.A. Clippers at New Jersey 7:30
Wed Mar-07 New York at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Mar-07 Phoenix at Washington 7:30
Wed Mar-07 Orlando at Miami 7:30
Wed Mar-07 Denver at Minnesota 7:00
Wed Mar-07 L.A. Lakers at Dallas 7:30
Thu Mar-08 Utah at Chicago 7:30
Thu Mar-08 L.A. Clippers at Minnesota 7:00
Thu Mar-08 Seattle at Houston 7:30
Thu Mar-08 Cleveland at Golden State 7:30
Thu Mar-08 Charlotte at Sacramento 7:30
Fri Mar-09 Washington at Boston (Hart.) 7:30
Fri Mar-09 Detroit at New Jersey 7:30
Fri Mar-09 Portland at Philadelphia 7:30
Fri Mar-09 Seattle at Atlanta 7:30
Fri Mar-09 Phoenix at Indiana 7:30
Fri Mar-09 Utah at Milwaukee 8:00
Fri Mar-09 Golden State at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Sat Mar-10 New Jersey at New York 8:30
Sat Mar-10 Portland at Washington 7:30
Sat Mar-10 Indiana at Chicago 7:30
Sat Mar-10 Phoenix at Minnesota 7:00
Sat Mar-10 Dallas at Houston 7:30
Sat Mar-10 Denver at San Antonio 7:30
Sat Mar-10 Orlando at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Sun Mar-11 Philadelphia at Boston 1:00
Sun Mar-11 Detroit at Charlotte 7:00
Sun Mar-11 New York at Miami 7:30
Sun Mar-11 L.A. Lakers at Atlanta 12:00 CBS
Sun Mar-11 Cleveland at Milwaukee 1:30
Sun Mar-11 Utah at Denver 7:30
Sun Mar-11 Sacramento at Golden State 1:30
Mon Mar-12 Milwaukee at New Jersey 7:30
Mon Mar-12 L.A. Lakers at Charlotte 7:30
Mon Mar-12 San Antonio at Minnesota 7:00
Mon Mar-12 Golden State at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Mon Mar-12 Orlando at Seattle 7:00
Tue Mar-13 Chicago at New York 7:30
Tue Mar-13 Boston at Atlanta 8:00 TNT
Tue Mar-13 Philadelphia at Cleveland 7:30
Tue Mar-13 San Antonio at Indiana 7:30
Tue Mar-13 Houston at Denver 7:30
Tue Mar-13 Phoenix at Utah 7:30
Tue Mar-13 Miami at Sacramento 7:30
Tue Mar-13 Orlando at Portland 7:30
Wed Mar-14 L.A. Lakers at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Mar-14 Boston at Dallas 7:30
Wed Mar-14 Denver at Phoenix 7:30
Wed Mar-14 Miami at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Wed Mar-14 Charlotte at Seattle 7:00
Thu Mar-15 L.A. Lakers at Cleveland 7:30
Thu Mar-15 San Antonio at Detroit 7:30
Thu Mar-15 Washington at Milwaukee 7:30
Thu Mar-15 New York at Minnesota 7:00
Thu Mar-15 Seattle at Utah 7:30
Thu Mar-15 Portland at Golden State 7:30
Thu Mar-15 Houston at Sacramento 7:30
Fri Mar-16 New Jersey at Philadelphia 7:30
Fri Mar-16 Boston at Orlando 7:30
Fri Mar-16 Atlanta at Indiana 7:30
Fri Mar-16 Detroit at Chicago 7:30
Fri Mar-16 Denver at Dallas 7:30
Fri Mar-16 Miami at Phoenix 7:30
Fri Mar-16 Houston at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Fri Mar-16 Charlotte at Portland 7:30
Sat Mar-17 Milwaukee at New York 7:30
Sat Mar-17 Atlanta at Washington (Balt.) 7:30
Sat Mar-17 Indiana at Cleveland 7:30
Sat Mar-17 Philadelphia at Chicago 7:30
Sat Mar-17 L.A. Lakers at Minnesota 7:00
Sat Mar-17 Miami at San Antonio 7:30
Sat Mar-17 Utah at Sacramento 7:30
Sun Mar-18 New Jersey at Boston 1:00
Sun Mar-18 Cleveland at Orlando 7:30
Sun Mar-18 Dallas at Detroit 7:00
Sun Mar-18 Minnesota at Denver 7:30
Sun Mar-18 Charlotte at L.A. Clippers 6:00
Sun Mar-18 Seattle at Golden State 1:30
Sun Mar-18 Houston at Portland 5:00
Mon Mar-19 Philadelphia at New Jersey 7:30
Mon Mar-19 Dallas at Atlanta 7:30
Mon Mar-19 Sacramento at Utah 7:30
Mon Mar-19 San Antonio at Phoenix 7:30
Tue Mar-20 Orlando at New York 7:30
Tue Mar-20 Indiana at Miami 7:30
Tue Mar-20 Washington at Chicago 7:30
Tue Mar-20 Detroit at Milwaukee 7:30
Tue Mar-20 Portland at Houston 7:30
Tue Mar-20 L.A. Clippers at Denver 7:30
Tue Mar-20 Charlotte at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Tue Mar-20 Minnesota at Golden State 7:30
Tue Mar-20 San Antonio at Seattle 7:00
Wed Mar-21 Cleveland at Boston 8:00 TNT
Wed Mar-21 Miami at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Mar-21 New Jersey at Washington 7:30
Wed Mar-21 Chicago at Atlanta 7:30
Wed Mar-21 Milwaukee at Indiana 7:30
Wed Mar-21 L.A. Clippers at Utah 7:30
Wed Mar-21 Charlotte at Phoenix 7:30
Wed Mar-21 Minnesota at Sacramento 7:30
Thu Mar-22 Dallas at Orlando 7:30
Thu Mar-22 Detroit at Houston 7:30
Thu Mar-22 Portland at San Antonio 7:30
Thu Mar-22 Denver at Seattle 7:00
Fri Mar-23 Atlanta at Boston 7:30
Fri Mar-23 Sacramento at Philadelphia 7:30
Fri Mar-23 New York at Charlotte 7:30
Fri Mar-23 Dallas at Miami 7:30
Fri Mar-23 New Jersey at Indiana 7:30
Fri Mar-23 Cleveland at Chicago 7:30
Fri Mar-23 Golden State at Utah 7:30
Fri Mar-23 Minnesota at Phoenix 7:30
Fri Mar-23 L.A. Clippers at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Sat Mar-24 Boston at New York 7:30
Sat Mar-24 Philadelphia at Washington 7:30
Sat Mar-24 Milwaukee at Orlando 7:30
Sat Mar-24 Charlotte at Atlanta 7:30
Sat Mar-24 New Jersey at Cleveland 7:30
Sat Mar-24 Sacramento at Chicago 7:30
Sat Mar-24 Golden State at Houston 7:30
Sat Mar-24 Detroit at San Antonio 7:30
Sat Mar-24 Portland at Denver 7:30
Sat Mar-24 Seattle at Phoenix 7:30
Sat Mar-24 Utah at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Sun Mar-25 Milwaukee at Miami 7:30
Sun Mar-25 Detroit at Dallas 7:00
Sun Mar-25 Seattle at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Sun Mar-25 Minnesota at Portland 7:00
Mon Mar-26 New Jersey at Charlotte 7:30
Mon Mar-26 Denver at Atlanta 7:30
Mon Mar-26 Sacramento at Cleveland 7:30
Mon Mar-26 Phoenix at Chicago 7:30
Mon Mar-26 San Antonio at Houston 7:30
Mon Mar-26 Minnesota at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Tue Mar-27 Washington at New York 7:30
Tue Mar-27 Boston at Indiana 7:30
Tue Mar-27 Phoenix at Milwaukee 7:30
Tue Mar-27 Golden State at Dallas 7:30
Tue Mar-27 Seattle at San Antonio 7:30
Tue Mar-27 L.A. Lakers at Portland 7:30
Wed Mar-28 New York at New Jersey 7:30
Wed Mar-28 Boston at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Mar-28 Denver at Washington 7:30
Wed Mar-28 Miami at Orlando 7:30
Wed Mar-28 Chicago at Cleveland 8:00 TNT
Wed Mar-28 Charlotte at Detroit 7:30
Wed Mar-28 Sacramento at Minnesota 7:00
Wed Mar-28 L.A. Lakers at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Thu Mar-29 Phoenix at Charlotte 7:30
Thu Mar-29 Sacramento at Indiana 7:30
Thu Mar-29 Milwaukee at Houston 7:30
Thu Mar-29 Dallas at San Antonio 7:30
Thu Mar-29 Utah at Golden State 7:30
Thu Mar-29 Atlanta at Portland 7:30
Fri Mar-30 Detroit at Boston 7:30
Fri Mar-30 Phoenix at New Jersey 7:30
Fri Mar-30 Denver at Philadelphia 7:30
Fri Mar-30 Orlando at Washington 8:00
Fri Mar-30 Cleveland at Miami 7:30
Fri Mar-30 New York at Chicago 7:00 TNT
Fri Mar-30 Minnesota at Dallas 7:30
Fri Mar-30 Portland at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Fri Mar-30 Atlanta at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Fri Mar-30 Golden State at Seattle 7:00
Sat Mar-31 Denver at New York 8:30
Sat Mar-31 Minnesota at Houston 7:30
Sat Mar-31 Milwaukee at San Antonio 7:30
Sat Mar-31 Charlotte at Sacramento 7:30
Sun Apr-01 Orlando at Boston 1:00
Sun Apr-01 Washington at New Jersey 1:00
Sun Apr-01 Phoenix at Philadelphia 1:00
Sun Apr-01 Indiana at Cleveland 1:00
Sun Apr-01 Miami at Chicago 12:00
Sun Apr-01 Milwaukee at Dallas 7:00
Sun Apr-01 Utah at L.A. Lakers 12:30 CBS
Sun Apr-01 Seattle at L.A. Clippers 6:00
Sun Apr-01 Atlanta at Golden State 12:30 CBS
Tue Apr-03 Cleveland at New York 7:30
Tue Apr-03 Houston at Philadelphia 7:30
Tue Apr-03 Golden State at Orlando 7:30
Tue Apr-03 Boston at Detroit 7:30
Tue Apr-03 Indiana at Chicago 7:30
Tue Apr-03 Minnesota at San Antonio 7:30
Tue Apr-03 Charlotte at Utah 7:30
Tue Apr-03 Dallas at Phoenix 7:30
Tue Apr-03 L.A. Clippers at Sacramento 7:00
Tue Apr-03 Portland at Seattle 7:00
Wed Apr-04 New Jersey at Boston 7:30
Wed Apr-04 New York at Washington 7:30
Wed Apr-04 Golden State at Miami 7:30
Wed Apr-04 Atlanta at Cleveland 7:30
Wed Apr-04 Indiana at Milwaukee 7:30
Wed Apr-04 San Antonio at Dallas 7:30
Wed Apr-04 Charlotte at Denver 7:30
Thu Apr-05 Detroit at Atlanta 8:00 TNT
Thu Apr-05 Orlando at Chicago 7:30
Thu Apr-05 Sacramento at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Thu Apr-05 Utah at Seattle 7:00
Fri Apr-06 Philadelphia at New York 8:30
Fri Apr-06 Golden State at New Jersey 7:30
Fri Apr-06 Houston at Washington 8:00
Fri Apr-06 Minnesota at Charlotte 7:30
Fri Apr-06 Indiana at Orlando 7:30
Fri Apr-06 Boston at Cleveland 7:30
Fri Apr-06 Milwaukee at Detroit 8:00
Fri Apr-06 Seattle at Denver 7:30
Fri Apr-06 L.A. Lakers at Phoenix 7:30
Fri Apr-06 L.A. Clippers at Portland 7:30
Sat Apr-07 Boston at Miami 7:30
Sat Apr-07 Philadelphia at Atlanta 7:30
Sat Apr-07 Washington at Milwaukee 8:00
Sat Apr-07 Chicago at Dallas 7:30
Sat Apr-07 Phoenix at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Sat Apr-07 San Antonio at Sacramento 7:00
Sun Apr-08 Miami at New Jersey 7:00
Sun Apr-08 Golden State at Charlotte 2:30
Sun Apr-08 Houston at Orlando 2:30
Sun Apr-08 Detroit at Cleveland 12:00 CBS
Sun Apr-08 New York at Indiana 2:30
Sun Apr-08 L.A. Lakers at Denver 2:00
Sun Apr-08 San Antonio at Portland 7:00
Mon Apr-09 Utah at Phoenix 7:30
Mon Apr-09 Dallas at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Mon Apr-09 Sacramento at Seattle 7:00
Tue Apr-10 Detroit at New York 8:00 TNT
Tue Apr-10 Boston at New Jersey 7:30
Tue Apr-10 Atlanta at Philadelphia 7:30
Tue Apr-10 Houston at Charlotte 7:30
Tue Apr-10 Milwaukee at Orlando 7:30
Tue Apr-10 Washington at Indiana 7:30
Tue Apr-10 Portland at Minnesota 7:00
Tue Apr-10 Seattle at Utah 7:30
Tue Apr-10 Dallas at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Tue Apr-10 San Antonio at Golden State 7:30
Tue Apr-10 Denver at Sacramento 7:00
Wed Apr-11 Milwaukee at Atlanta 7:30
Wed Apr-11 New Jersey at Detroit 7:30
Wed Apr-11 Cleveland at Chicago 7:30
Thu Apr-12 Miami at Boston 7:30
Thu Apr-12 Indiana at New York 8:00
Thu Apr-12 Minnesota at Philadelphia 7:30
Thu Apr-12 Cleveland at Washington 7:30
Thu Apr-12 Charlotte at Houston 7:30
Thu Apr-12 L.A. Clippers at San Antonio 7:30
Thu Apr-12 L.A. Lakers at Utah 6:00 TNT
Thu Apr-12 Dallas at Golden State 7:30
Thu Apr-12 Phoenix at Sacramento 7:00
Thu Apr-12 Denver at Seattle 7:00
Fri Apr-13 Atlanta at Detroit 8:00
Fri Apr-13 Milwaukee at Chicago 7:30
Fri Apr-13 Orlando at Minnesota 7:00
Fri Apr-13 Golden State at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Fri Apr-13 Dallas at Portland 7:30
Sat Apr-14 Indiana at New Jersey 7:30
Sat Apr-14 Chicago at Washington 7:30
Sat Apr-14 Philadelphia at Charlotte 7:30
Sat Apr-14 Miami at Cleveland 7:30
Sat Apr-14 Orlando at Detroit 7:30
Sat Apr-14 Atlanta at Milwaukee 8:00
Sat Apr-14 Sacramento at San Antonio 7:30
Sat Apr-14 Houston at Utah 7:30
Sat Apr-14 Denver at Portland 7:30
Sat Apr-14 Phoenix at Seattle 7:30
Sun Apr-15 New York at Boston 1:00 CBS
Sun Apr-15 Utah at Minnesota 7:00
Sun Apr-15 Houston at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Mon Apr-16 Miami at New York 7:30
Mon Apr-16 San Antonio at Charlotte 7:30
Mon Apr-16 Chicago at Indiana 7:30
Mon Apr-16 Portland at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Mon Apr-16 Phoenix at Golden State 7:30
Tue Apr-17 Washington at Orlando 7:30
Tue Apr-17 New Jersey at Atlanta 7:30
Tue Apr-17 Boston at Chicago 7:30
Tue Apr-17 Cleveland at Milwaukee 7:30
Tue Apr-17 Denver at Minnesota 7:00
Tue Apr-17 Sacramento at Houston 7:30
Tue Apr-17 Utah at Dallas 7:30
Tue Apr-17 L.A. Lakers at Seattle 5:00 TNT
Wed Apr-18 Orlando at Boston 7:30
Wed Apr-18 Cleveland at New Jersey 7:30
Wed Apr-18 Indiana at Philadelphia 7:30
Wed Apr-18 Charlotte at Miami 7:30
Wed Apr-18 Utah at San Antonio 7:30
Wed Apr-18 Portland at Phoenix 7:30
Wed Apr-18 L.A. Clippers at Golden State 7:30
Thu Apr-19 Dallas at Charlotte 7:30
Thu Apr-19 Philadelphia at Detroit 7:30
Thu Apr-19 Washington at Chicago 7:30
Thu Apr-19 New York at Milwaukee 7:30
Thu Apr-19 Denver at Houston 7:30
Thu Apr-19 Minnesota at L.A. Lakers 7:30
Thu Apr-19 Seattle at Sacramento 7:00
Fri Apr-20 Chicago at Boston 8:00 TNT
Fri Apr-20 Atlanta at New York 8:30
Fri Apr-20 Cleveland at Orlando 7:30
Fri Apr-20 Washington at Miami 7:30
Fri Apr-20 Detroit at Indiana 7:30
Fri Apr-20 Houston at Dallas 7:30
Fri Apr-20 San Antonio at Denver 7:30
Fri Apr-20 Minnesota at Utah 7:30
Fri Apr-20 Golden State at Phoenix 7:30
Fri Apr-20 L.A. Clippers at Seattle 7:00
Sat Apr-21 Miami at Atlanta 7:30
Sat Apr-21 New Jersey at Milwaukee 8:00
Sat Apr-21 L.A. Lakers at L.A. Clippers 7:30
Sat Apr-21 Portland at Sacramento 8:00
Sun Apr-22 Orlando at New Jersey 7:30
Sun Apr-22 Boston at Philadelphia 1:00 CBS
Sun Apr-22 Indiana at Washington 1:00
Sun Apr-22 New York at Cleveland 1:00 CBS
Sun Apr-22 Chicago at Detroit 1:00 CBS
Sun Apr-22 Utah at Houston 12:00 CBS
Sun Apr-22 Charlotte at Dallas 7:00
Sun Apr-22 Phoenix at San Antonio 12:00 CBS
Sun Apr-22 Minnesota at Denver 2:00
Sun Apr-22 Seattle at Golden State 1:30
Sun Apr-22 L.A. Lakers at Portland 7:00
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| 8.46 | | NRADM::KING | My house has gone to the dogs!!! | Tue Dec 19 1989 10:27 | 4 |
| \WHat happen to Orlando's Catledge? He's not been in the box scores
lately?
REK
|
| 8.47 | | REFINE::ASHE | If uc a red sign inside of da mall | Tue Dec 19 1989 12:15 | 4 |
| Not surprised about Salley. He was shopped unofficially last year.
Almost went to Dallas or Phoenix I think...
-Walt
|
| 8.48 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Tue Dec 19 1989 14:47 | 5 |
| >> \WHat happen to Orlando's Catledge? He's not been in the box scores
>> lately?
He hurt his thumb and missed Sunday's game. He's questionable for Wednesday's
game against Chicago.
|
| 8.49 | | FREE::GOGUEN | tis the season: Luke 1:26:38; 2:1-20 | Tue Dec 19 1989 18:45 | 7 |
| RE: a few back
Michael Smith was definitely a bad pick (not that he's that bad a
player). Hindsight would say that the C's should have taken
Hardaway...
-- dg
|
| 8.50 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Dec 19 1989 18:51 | 2 |
| What ever happened to all of those free agent guards that weren't
drafted just because the draft had been reduced this year?
|
| 8.51 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Dec 19 1989 18:52 | 2 |
| How has Reggie Lewis been doing after being moved to the guard spot? I
know he didn't get much playing time against the Lakers.
|
| 8.52 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue Dec 19 1989 19:07 | 22 |
|
Alex English has asked the Nuggets to trade him. His playing time has
been reduced this year to about 25 minutes a game vs. 35 minutes last
year. He also says he is tired of Doug Moe jumping on his case. The
Nuggets have said they will not trade him.
English is 35 years old and is making $2mill. this year, the last year
of his contract. He is/was a great scorer with little defense. I can't
see anyone picking up that salary for a 35 year old bit player. Not to
mention having to give up someone to get him.
The local media is claiming the Nuggets want him to retire after this
season. But he still wants to play a couple more years and is using Moe
and his playing time to get traded to a team that will sign him for the
remainder of this year and at least one more year.
Personally, I would like to see him retire after this year and finish
the year as a Nugget. I have only seen them a couple of times this year
but English's game has dropped off very noticably.
HOOT
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| 8.53 | | CAM::WAY | Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair | Wed Dec 20 1989 11:37 | 8 |
| Question:
Haven't watched much hoop this year.
Who's Gamble who's playing (or should I saying trying to) for the
Celtics?
chainsaw
|
| 8.54 | | SAGE::ROSS | Notes happen | Wed Dec 20 1989 12:00 | 71 |
|
Last night's stars:
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
EWING -NY C 43 17-27 7-9 7 8 15 1 2 0 2 41
HARPER -CLIP G 42 11-18 14-15 2 2 4 6 4 7 0 39
PERSON -IND F 46 17-27 8-8 5 2 7 3 3 1 2 42
JORDAN -CHI G 44 15-29 5-5 0 7 7 5 1 2 7 37
STOCKTON -UTA G 36 8-12 1-2 1 2 3 27 5 2 2 18
AGUIRRE -DET F 29 9-15 3-3 5 3 8 1 3 0 0 21
LAIMBEER -DET C 33 9-15 2-2 3 8 11 3 4 1 0 20
CORBIN -MINN F 46 11-22 3-4 3 10 13 1 5 2 2 25
MITCHELL -MINN F 47 10-16 8-8 1 5 6 2 6 1 1 28
MCCRAY -SAC F 43 8-13 5-5 3 5 8 6 5 0 2 21
TISDALE -SAC F 44 13-22 3-3 3 2 5 3 5 1 0 29
AINGE -SAC G 39 8-12 6-6 0 1 1 5 1 1 1 25
SMITH -SAC G 40 8-15 2-2 1 4 5 10 3 0 2 19
WILKINS -ATL F 39 10-22 10-10 3 3 6 3 1 1 2 30
MALONE -ATL C 39 10-19 4-10 8 9 17 2 3 0 4 24
WEBB -ATL G 40 5-11 3-4 1 3 4 12 3 3 1 13
SEIKALY -MIA C 39 13-21 4-6 5 9 14 0 2 1 3 30
MALONE -UTA F 37 13-18 3-6 2 7 9 1 4 2 3 29
G WILKINS -NY G 39 10-15 4-5 1 5 6 5 3 0 2 25
PERKINS -DAL C 42 9-18 6-8 3 8 11 3 1 0 1 24
GILLIAM -CHA F 41 9-16 5-6 5 7 12 2 0 1 2 23
BOGUES -CHA G 35 2-4 0-0 0 3 3 18 3 1 0 4
CHAPMAN -CHA G 39 10-19 5-6 0 3 3 4 2 2 1 27
JOHNSON -LAK G 42 6-16 5-6 6 6 12 10 3 4 3 18
PIPPEN -CHI F 45 7-17 2-5 3 9 12 4 3 0 4 16
BIRD -BOS F 38 8-15 5-7 1 11 12 6 1 1 1 21
SIKMA -MIL C 42 3-12 9-10 1 16 17 4 3 0 2 16
OLAJUWON -HOU C 36 7-14 10-12 1 6 7 4 5 1 2 24
GRANT -CLIP G 35 7-11 7-8 2 4 6 10 1 3 4 21
========
Dogs of the day....
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
THOMAS -DET G 33 0-10 2-2 0 2 2 4 0 0 3 2
BLAYLOCK -NJN 27 1-7 0-1 0 2 2 4 0 2 3 2
FRANK -MIA 24 0-5 2-2 1 4 5 2 3 2 0 2
R REID -CHA 17 1-6 0-0 0 0 0 1 4 0 0 2
COOPER -LAK G 33 2-9 0-0 1 3 4 2 3 1 2 5
SCOTT -LAK G 24 0-7 3-4 0 3 3 1 2 1 1 3
======
Off the bench...
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
MANNING -CLIP 28 6-7 2-2 2 4 6 3 4 1 6 14
SALLEY -DET 27 7-9 2-3 4 3 7 1 4 1 4 16
SUNDVOLD -MIA 15 5-6 1-2 1 2 3 2 2 0 1 12
STRICKLAND -NY 26 5-7 2-2 0 4 4 8 1 0 0 13
CURRY -CHA 22 8-17 0-0 0 1 1 1 0 2 1 16
DIVAC -LA 24 5-9 0-0 4 5 9 0 4 0 1 10
GAMBLE -BOS 24 3-3 5-6 0 0 0 3 1 3 2 11
CHIEVOUS -HOU 27 7-10 2-4 1 3 4 3 2 1 2 16
COOPER -POR 15 3-5 2-2 3 7 10 1 4 0 1 8
ROBINSON -POR 22 5-10 2-4 2 5 7 1 3 0 0 12
PETROVIC -POR 19 6-11 2-2 2 1 3 4 5 1 1 14
PLAYER OF THE DAY: PATRICK EWING
DOG OF THE DAY : ISAIAH THOMAS
SUB OF THE DAY : DANNY MANNING
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| 8.55 | | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Wed Dec 20 1989 12:40 | 17 |
|
i need help in settling an argument with a certain co-worker
:)
isn't it true that back a couple of years ago the nba draft
went a little like this:
1. houston - olajuwon
2. portland - bowie
3. chicago - jordan
in other words, portland made probably one of the biggest mistakes
in NBA history. (Think about it... "Drexler passes the ball to Jordan,
DUNK! Jordan feeds Drexler down the middle, TWO!"). My friend says
that this did not happen. who's right?
sean
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| 8.56 | that's correct | CNTROL::CHILDS | Time Travel gives me the Runs | Wed Dec 20 1989 12:49 | 8 |
|
You are right that is how the draft went. Portland also goofed by
trading Malone because they had Walton who then got injuried that
year and was never the same. They also passed on a chance to take
Bird opting for Mychal Thompson instead figuring the Celts would pass
on Bird and they could get Bird with the next pick....
mike
|
| 8.57 | | 2HOT::NORI | | Wed Dec 20 1989 12:52 | 5 |
| re : .55
You are right. Did Portland make a mistake by not drafting Jordan ?
That is open for discussion.
--Ram Nori
|
| 8.58 | wow, right for once! :) | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Wed Dec 20 1989 13:12 | 11 |
|
well, you can say that it was a big mistake, but then again
you have to think about how 2 superstars on one team would affect
each other. would jordan be averaging 32 points along with drexler's
consistent 25+?? (hmm, do i detect undertones of a certain
magic-worthy discussion? :)
in my opinion, i have to say that it was a *major* mistake.
i just can't stop thinking of the possibilities of those 2 paired
up.
sean
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| 8.59 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Dec 20 1989 14:39 | 4 |
| Looks like the title of "Bad Boy of the NBA" may be passed onto Charles
Barkley. How many times has he been tossed already this year? What's
been going on? Is he frustrated with playing for Philly and taking it
out on opponents or are opponents just antagonizing him more?
|
| 8.60 | You know what they say about hindsight .... | LUNER::BROOKS | Happy Kwanza, Xmas, and Hanukkah ! | Wed Dec 20 1989 14:40 | 13 |
| At the time, Portland needed a big man more than anything else.
They would have taken Akeem if they had won the coin flip, and Houston
(in the ultimate no-lose scenario) would have landed Jordan.
I think the lesson all teams have learned is that you take the best
player available, PERIOD, and then you simply trade from strength
to get what you want.
Bowie was a risk that I would not have taken (I didn't think he
was *that* great in college) if I was Portland, but it is not really
fair to condemm the Blazers.
DrM
|
| 8.61 | seriously.... | SASE::SZABO | DearSanta,IWantARedCorradoForChristmas! | Wed Dec 20 1989 14:40 | 3 |
| Maybe he wants to draw more attention?
Hawk
|
| 8.62 | | PNO::HEISER | It's another boy/girl?? | Wed Dec 20 1989 14:49 | 4 |
| There's only one ball. I wouldn't want Drexler and Jordan on the same
team. Just Jordan :-)
Mike
|
| 8.63 | who needs the ball? | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Wed Dec 20 1989 15:06 | 2 |
|
yeah, but the are both *fine* defensive players!
|
| 8.64 | Clang This!!! | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Trying to forget your generation. | Wed Dec 20 1989 15:41 | 11 |
| Hey, uh, Mr. Ross -- would you care to comment on how absolutely
foolish your knocks on James Worthy's shot selection have been in light
of what you saw last Friday night at the Gahden? I don't know about
you, but I saw the vast majority of Worthy's shots coming from the
perimeter, not off of layups. And 13 of 18, mostly from the
perimeter, is damn good. It's certainly better than clanging away at
the rate of, say, 9 for 27. ;)
By the way, wasn't that Divac' steal from Bird an absolute delight?
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.65 | | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Wed Dec 20 1989 15:45 | 4 |
|
Gad, i almost fell outta my chair when i saw that one!!! :)
sean
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| 8.66 | Sports just happens, like shinola...... | SASE::SZABO | DearSanta,IWantARedCorradoForChristmas! | Wed Dec 20 1989 15:50 | 6 |
| Sean and Ken, are the Lakers that much a part of your lives as it
appears to be? Are they ahead of your families, or slightly behind?
I guess I just don't understand, huh?
Hawk
|
| 8.67 | | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Wed Dec 20 1989 15:54 | 3 |
|
actually it's in a close race with "breathing for air" and "eating
to survive".
|
| 8.68 | still no franchise player | CNTROL::CHILDS | Time Travel gives me the Runs | Wed Dec 20 1989 15:58 | 8 |
|
Jimmy hit about 4 shots outside of 12 feet, big deal send his sneakers
to springfield. Worthy always looks good against the C's got they
really don't have a defensive matchup for him. Sure alot of teams don't
either but atleast some teams do have quicker players who can slow him
down.
mike
|
| 8.69 | The WEST is the BEST ! | CSC32::A_PARRACO | Fight On for USC, Beat Michigan | Wed Dec 20 1989 16:01 | 8 |
|
In the 80's, HAWK .......... The Lakers are more famous than GOD !
The West is the Best !
Deal with it .........
- The Doctor
|
| 8.70 | Lighten up guys! It's only a game..... | SASE::SZABO | DearSanta,IWantARedCorradoForChristmas! | Wed Dec 20 1989 16:11 | 7 |
| Hey, ain't no flies on me! I've got no problem with anyone or
anything. Just cain't relate to such fervor that even the Donk fans
can't match! :-)
See what I mean, though? You'se guys are so defensive!
Hawk
|
| 8.71 | Go Lakers! What a road trip! | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Dec 20 1989 16:11 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.72 | Selective memories | SAGE::ROSS | Fa.la.la.la.la.la.la.la.la" | Wed Dec 20 1989 16:29 | 13 |
| How about his last two games?
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
WORTHY vs CHI F 40 8-19 3-4 2 5 7 1 1 1 4 19
WORTHY vs NJ F 34 5-13 2-2 3 5 8 3 0 1 2 12
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
13-32 5-6 5 10 15 4 1 2 6 31
That's 40.6% FG% for the one and only Clangmaster. As for Friday night,
even a blind dog finds a bone once in a while.
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| 8.73 | re:.72 | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Wed Dec 20 1989 16:39 | 2 |
| Sounds more typical to me Doug!
Denny
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| 8.74 | Knicks/Jazz | POCUS::SALTALAMACCH | | Wed Dec 20 1989 17:17 | 9 |
| I was at the Knicks/Jazz game at MSG last night. Patrick Ewing
was awesome with his 41 points and 15 rebounds, while Gerald Wilkins
(25 points), Karl Malone (29 points) and John Stockton (25 assists
- He's amazing!) also played very well.
In my book, Ewing is the League MVP if the season were to end today.
Redmen Phil
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| 8.75 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Wed Dec 20 1989 17:35 | 23 |
| Here's the Utah box from last night. Stockton had 27! assists. He also scored
eight baskets himself. That means that of the Jazz' 47 baskets, Stockton
directly contributed to 35 of them! In other words, there were only 12 baskets
that he wasn't directly involved with. Pretty impressive.
UTAH
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
EDWARDS F 18 3-6 1-2 2 0 2 1 1 0 2 7
MALONE F 37 13-18 3-6 2 7 9 1 4 2 3 29
EATON C 29 1-2 0-2 1 9 10 0 4 1 1 2
HANSEN G 33 4-10 0-0 0 3 3 1 3 0 3 10
STOCKTON G 36 8-12 1-2 1 2 3 27 5 2 2 18
BAILEY 30 8-14 4-5 0 2 2 4 3 0 2 20
BROWN 19 2-3 1-2 0 4 4 1 1 2 0 5
RUDD 12 2-4 0-0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 4
LECKNER 11 1-1 0-0 0 2 2 2 2 0 0 2
GRIFFITH 15 5-9 0-0 0 1 1 0 2 0 0 10
TOTALS 240 47-79 10-19 6 30 36 40 25 7 13 107
(.595) (.526) TEAM REBS: 8
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| 8.76 | double secret reverse jinx | SASE::SZABO | DearSanta,IWantARedCorradoForChristmas! | Thu Dec 21 1989 12:11 | 13 |
| Well, yesterday's trademarking of Bird as "Larry Swishless" actually
jinxed him back into his swishing form, for the 1st half anyway. Bird
was on fire, bombing away from everywhere, and all swishes. I believe
he had 25 at the half. The 2nd half, Larry returned to Worthyesque
clanging that earned him his "Swishless" moniker, however, he swished a
beauty, after many clangs, when it was most needed to preserve the
victory. Very entertaining game (I like Utah, too), and that Karl
Malone is dangerous!
Hawk
P.S. I believe that Larry Swishless still wound up with around 41 pts.
despite the 2nd half clanging.......
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| 8.77 | | SAGE::ROSS | Fa.la.la.la.la.la.la.la.la" | Thu Dec 21 1989 12:31 | 69 |
| Last night's stars:
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
LEVER -DEN G 38 7-16 2-2 4 11 15 7 3 0 2 16
PERKINS -DAL F 40 6-12 7-8 4 7 11 3 2 1 3 19
MALONE -UTA F 40 12-22 14-17 2 10 12 3 5 2 4 39
STOCKTON -UTA G 39 5-11 4-4 0 5 5 17 4 1 5 15
BIRD -BOS F 41 16-30 7-7 0 8 8 5 3 2 2 40
JORDAN -CHI G 45 20-37 10-10 1 4 5 7 3 4 3 52
CATLEDGE -ORL F 39 8-11 10-14 1 7 8 0 3 0 3 26
KING -WAS F 40 12-21 6-8 0 1 1 4 3 2 3 30
BARKLEY -PHI F 43 10-15 14-18 5 6 11 7 2 2 4 34
DAWKINS -PHI G 37 7-15 2-2 2 6 8 9 3 1 1 16
GREEN -LAKERS C 42 5-11 6-8 7 8 15 1 2 1 1 16
JOHNSON -LAKERS G 48 7-14 12-14 6 4 10 9 3 2 2 26
CAMPBELL -MINN G 41 11-18 3-3 1 2 3 2 6 0 4 26
TISDALE -SAC F 35 17-24 2-3 2 4 6 0 3 0 2 36
CUMMINGS _SA F 37 12-24 1-2 3 5 8 2 5 4 3 26
ROBINSON -SA C 40 8-17 10-11 4 11 15 3 3 0 3 26
PERSON -IND F 48 14-24 6-8 0 4 4 2 4 1 5 34
FLEMING -IND G 42 10-13 3-4 1 2 3 13 6 5 2 23
MILLER -IND G 47 14-23 1-2 0 5 5 8 3 0 2 32
CHAMBERS -PHO F 44 13-22 4-7 0 10 10 5 4 2 3 30
WEST -PHO C 35 8-11 4-5 3 8 11 1 1 1 2 20
HORNACEK -PHO G 41 8-11 3-4 2 1 3 6 2 2 4 19
K JOHNSON -PHO G 39 9-16 7-7 2 1 3 11 4 1 8 25
THORPE -HOU F 45 9-19 4-9 4 8 12 5 5 1 4 22
OLAJUWON -HOU C 47 15-23 11-15 3 11 14 4 4 3 5 41
TOLBERT -GS F 43 9-11 6-7 3 2 5 3 4 2 1 24
HARDAWAY -GS G 36 7-13 6-6 1 4 5 14 3 4 4 20
RICHMOND -GS G 41 9-20 8-12 2 1 3 2 2 1 1 26
Dogs of the day:
COOPER -LAKERS F 23 0-5 0-0 3 1 4 1 1 1 0 0
SCOTT -LAKERS G 40 2-10 0-0 1 2 3 5 4 0 0 4
ELLIOTT -SA F 26 1-7 2-2 1 2 3 3 0 1 0 4
CONNER -NJ G 22 0-4 0-0 0 1 1 1 2 2 0 0
BLAYLOCK -NJ 26 2-10 2-2 2 1 3 2 2 2 1 6
SHORT -NJ 18 0-4 0-0 0 1 1 1 2 2 0 0
PARISH -BOS C 34 2-6 3-4 1 7 8 0 1 2 3 7
Off the Bench:
GAMBLE -BOS 15 5-6 2-2 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 12
LEWIS -BOS 26 7-10 0-0 0 4 4 2 2 1 1 14
DAVIS -DEN 25 10-14 0-0 0 3 3 4 3 1 1 20
DIVAC -LAKERS 29 6-12 4-4 5 6 11 0 3 0 2 16
LICHTI -DEN 24 7-9 0-0 2 2 4 1 2 0 1 14
NANCE -CLE 27 5-6 5-8 4 4 8 2 1 1 3 15
WHITE -DAL 20 4-7 3-1 2 8 10 1 2 0 1 11
BAILEY -UTA 30 7-11 4-4 3 3 6 2 0 0 1 18
SMITH -ORL 38 10-15 8-10 0 4 4 1 4 0 3 28
EACKLES -WAS 14 4-7 2-2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 11
ANDERSON -PHI 33 8-12 6-6 1 1 2 1 3 0 1 22
WOOLRIDGE -LAK 34 7-14 6-8 2 4 6 0 2 0 0 20
BRICKOWSKI-DAL 19 6-7 3-6 1 2 3 1 2 1 0 15
E JOHNSON -PHO 37 10-21 0-0 0 1 1 4 5 1 3 24
HIGGINS -GS 16 5-7 1-1 1 3 4 2 4 2 2 11
Player of the Day : Olaujuwon - HOU
Dog of the Day : Cooper - LAKERS
Sub of the Day : Smith - ORL
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| 8.78 | FYI | SAGE::ROSS | Fa.la.la.la.la.la.la.la.la" | Thu Dec 21 1989 12:35 | 16 |
| Here's Worthy's stats for the three games since the Celtics win...
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
WORTHY vs NJ F 34 5-13 2-2 3 5 8 3 0 1 2 12
WORTHY vs CHI F 40 8-19 3-4 2 5 7 1 1 1 4 19
WORTHY vs MIN F 38 10-24 4-4 1 1 2 3 4 0 4 24
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
23-56 9-10 6 11 17 7 5 2 10 55
41% 90%
That averages out to 18.3 points, 5.6 reb., and 2.3 assists.
Another 2 rebound game for Worthy... second in a week.
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| 8.79 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Thu Dec 21 1989 12:45 | 2 |
| True MVP stuff, eh Doug!
Denny
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| 8.80 | Lakers almost upset by the Woofs....... | SASE::SZABO | DearSanta,IWantARedCorradoForChristmas! | Thu Dec 21 1989 12:52 | 8 |
| I was disappointed, but not surprised, to see that the Lakers pulled it
out over the Woofs last night. I saw a 3rd qtr. score where the Woofs
seemingly had a blowout in the making, leading by about 15. I suppose
I wouldn't have been surprised had the Lakers been down by 15 in the
4th, and still pulled it out. But, it would've been a nice treat for
the Woofs home crowd to win........ Oh well!
Hawk
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| 8.81 | jordan = immense | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Thu Dec 21 1989 12:59 | 10 |
|
REBOUNDS
>PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
>====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
>
>JORDAN -CHI G 45 20-37 10-10 1 4 5 7 3 4 3 52
and they still lost by a point???????????????????????????
NO WAY!!!!
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| 8.82 | Result? | POCUS::SALTALAMACCH | | Thu Dec 21 1989 13:07 | 5 |
| Who won the Bos/Utah game last night?
Phil
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| 8.83 | | SASE::SZABO | DearSanta,IWantARedCorradoForChristmas! | Thu Dec 21 1989 13:11 | 4 |
| Boston by 4. For future reference, there's a "Scoreboard" note with
all scores.......
Hawk
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| 8.84 | Close losses continue | MUSKIE::WIERSBECK | Please let it get above 0 again | Thu Dec 21 1989 13:40 | 19 |
| Re: .80 Hawk
I watched most of the game and the Woofs led from the opening tap
until Magic brought the Lakers to the first TIE of the game with
seven seconds left in regulation. The Lakers didn't have their
first lead until the OT. Woofs played their hearts out, but just
don't have the talent to win out in the end. Campbell fouled out
early in the OT and the game was history. Woofs shot 79% in the
first quarter in building and 11 point lead that they maintained
throughout the first half. Early in the third the lead became 15,
but then the Woofs went cold, shooting just 29% for the quarter.
LA got back in the game and came on in the end.
The Woofs had chances to put the game away but gave the Lakers one
last chance and Magic made a twisting lay-up with seven seconds
left to tie it. It would have been a great win.
Spud
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| 8.85 | | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Thu Dec 21 1989 14:04 | 6 |
|
I have a question. Why is it that Kevin McHale does not start
for the Celtics??? This thorughly confuses me... Does anyone know
how many minutes a game he is averaging?? thanks
sean
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| 8.86 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Dec 21 1989 14:07 | 1 |
| sean, a decision was made to put McHale back into the 6th man role.
|
| 8.87 | | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Thu Dec 21 1989 14:11 | 10 |
|
i just don't understand why it was done. is it because the
Celts want to develop some of the younger players? After the Celts
game vs. the Lakers (D.J. - 24, Parish - 23, McHale & Bird - 21,
next highest - 6?) I seemed convinced that he should start. He
probably plays more minutes than the person that starts in his
position? yes? no? (who does start in his position anyways? :)
call me a laker fan, i dunno :)
sean
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| 8.88 | | SASE::SZABO | DearSanta,IWantARedCorradoForChristmas! | Thu Dec 21 1989 14:31 | 12 |
| Sean, I axed that same question earlier in the season, and the best
answer I got (that seemed to make the most sense) was that, having
McHale come in the middle of the first quarter was worth a quick 8-10
points. Looking at his numbers, the strategy seems to be working.
McHale's the calibre of player that a true basketball fan knows how
valuable he is. Some say his stock is down due to age and recent
injury problems. You watch him closely, and he's still very, very
dangerous. In fact, when Larry Swishless(tm) went a clanging in the
3rd period last night, and especially late in the 4th, McHale was the
go-to man coming through with the badly needed buckets.
Hawk
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| 8.89 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | It's a Jingle out there | Thu Dec 21 1989 14:32 | 11 |
|
re Akeem as Player of the Day:
Although this 'award' means nothing, Akeem's performance needs a
closer look. Akeem scored 41 points and had 15 rebounds against
a Warriors team that has no center. Peterson is on the IL, and
Akeem was covered by a 6'7" rookie named Tom Tolbert most of the
game. Akeem should have had gigantic numbers, and his not having
them led to Houston's loss.
Bruce
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| 8.90 | ask the coach, the fans don't have the answers | CNTROL::CHILDS | Noregia 2 Bush Zip, Nada... | Thu Dec 21 1989 15:05 | 7 |
|
Heck, forget about Mchale starting why in the blue bejeezus are DJ
and Paxton starting? That's what I want to know. DJ has been playing
better but I mean Paxton starting in front of Lewis is more of a joke
than Pickney in front of Mchale....
mike
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| 8.91 | Didn't GS activate PetersEn? | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Thu Dec 21 1989 16:21 | 0 |
| 8.92 | Yes, but he hasn't played much yet. | AJCVAX::COTE | Al | Thu Dec 21 1989 16:27 | 0 |
| 8.93 | Write-locked until after the holidays! | SASE::SZABO | DearSanta,IWantARedCorradoForChristmas! | Thu Dec 21 1989 16:29 | 1 |
|
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| 8.94 | | 2HOT::NORI | | Thu Dec 21 1989 17:05 | 4 |
| re: .86
Because Celtics fans want to boast that they have a better bench. :-)
--Ram Nori
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| 8.95 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | It's a Jingle out there | Thu Dec 21 1989 17:21 | 4 |
|
Peterson reinjured himself and has deen redeactivated.
Bruce
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| 8.96 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Thu Dec 21 1989 17:32 | 16 |
|
Better TM that baby, Bruce. "redeactivated", I like it.
Hmmmm. I noticed there hasn't been any comments from the Cavaliers fan,
sorry I forget your name and am too lazy to go look for it, that keeps
ranting and raving how weak the Western Conference is (wrongly so), on
last night's game. For the record, one of the West's worst road teams,
the Denver Nuggets, stomped the Cavaliers last night, IN CLEVELAND.
Even with the Nuggets uptempo game style, the Cavs only managed to
score 89 points. I don't know when the last time the Nuggets held
anyone to 89 points but I guarentee that it doesn't happen very often.
For the Nuggets to do that to anyone on the road is unheard of.
HOOT
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| 8.97 | | 39131::DHAMEL | I saw Noriega in K-mart | Thu Dec 21 1989 17:33 | 6 |
|
re: -1
I think 'redeactivated' deserves a (tm).
-Dick
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| 8.98 | Ya beat me to it, Hoot | 39131::DHAMEL | I saw Noriega in K-mart | Thu Dec 21 1989 17:34 | 1 |
|
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| 8.99 | not too bad of a move, they still need guards | PNO::HEISER | It's another boy/girl?? | Thu Dec 21 1989 17:38 | 5 |
| McHale gives the Celts some scoring punch off the bench. In the KC
days, the starters would run up a double-digit lead only to have it
lost by the "green team" on the bench.
Mike
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| 8.100 | | OURGNG::RIGGEN | | Thu Dec 21 1989 17:53 | 10 |
| Did anybody see the Nuggets dismantle the Cav's last night ??
the 17.3Million dollar man Blair Rasmussen single handedly outrebounded
the entire Cav team in the 1st half, Cleveland had 4 FG in the entire
2nd quarter.
Final Den 104
Cav 89
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| 8.101 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | iceMAN | Thu Dec 21 1989 17:57 | 8 |
|
re: .96
What is the Lakers record v.s. Eastern Conference teams?
What is the Western Conferences record v.s. Eastern Conference teams?
Just curious...
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| 8.102 | Talk about embarrassment... | MUSKIE::WIERSBECK | Please let it get above 0 again | Thu Dec 21 1989 18:29 | 8 |
| Hoot,
You think that was bad, the expansion Woofies beat Cleveland IN
Cleveland 101-74 a couple of weeks ago. HA!!!! :*)
Spud
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| 8.103 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Thu Dec 21 1989 18:31 | 7 |
|
I don't know. But at this point, that wouldn't mean anything. If the
East is far superior to the West then they should dominate the win-loss
record between conferences at the end of the season. They don't.
HOOT
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| 8.104 | /Don you'll like this | CNTROL::CHILDS | Noregia 2 Bush Zip, Nada... | Thu Dec 21 1989 18:59 | 86 |
| Hey Dan, and the rest of the Jihad enemy, in our FBA league we use Points
scored, rebounds and assists to determine our scores for the week. Below
you will notice a listing of the ranking of the forwards by thier point
totals. My My My look who's number 1 and who's not even in the top ten...
Also these stats are based on one game per week (usually tuesday) pre-
determined so that you cannot pick your guy's best night
enjoy
mike
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Note 33.64 Hype your players here 64 of 66
TALLIS::GOYKHMAN "Nostalgia ain't what it used to b" 67 lines 21-DEC-1989 16:09
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Top Forwards
***********************
Bird 283
Malone 279
Chambers 254
***********************
Mullin 216-
Ellis 238
Tisdale 236
Campbell 234
Wilkins 232
Cummings 232
Barkley 230*
Worthy 228
Person 213*
McDaniel 206*
Thorpe 204
McCray 202
B. King 191
Oakley 189*
H.Grant 183
J.Williams (c) 182
Dantley 176
Green 173
Corbin 167*
NormaN 167*
Ed. Johnson 164
Catledge 162
McKey 160
J.R Reid 160
Kersey 160
B. Williams 157
Bailey 150
Morris 149
Aguirre 146
Tripucka 144
W.Anderson 143
C.Smith 138*
S.Green 138
R.Anderson 136
English 132
*********************
Underperformers
*********************
N.Anderson 126
Rodman 122
Shackleford 107
Newman 97
Lewis 103*
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| 8.105 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Jack's Diner, No Brains, No Service | Thu Dec 21 1989 19:07 | 7 |
| re; .102
Another example of a *great* team from Clevescum !! ;^)
Yap Yap Yap !!
Big Game
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| 8.106 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Thu Dec 21 1989 20:03 | 21 |
| Talk about your meaningless statistics. Great, Larry Bird is the best on
Tuesday nights. What's that prove? If you want the true rankings of players
by points + rebounds + assists, here are the top 12:
Player PPG PPM G MIN FG FGA FG% FT FTA FT% OREB TREB AST STL TO BLK PTS AVG 3FG 3FG 3FG% rpm apm ppm
JORDAN CHI 47.26 1.210 19 742 225 434 .518 150 178 .843 41 152 129 42 58 9 617 32.5 17 47 .362 0.205 0.174 0.832
MALONE UTA 41.95 1.083 19 736 196 359 .546 136 195 .697 53 215 53 45 81 13 529 27.8 1 2 .500 0.292 0.072 0.719
EWING NYK 41.26 1.143 19 686 215 384 .560 127 152 .836 54 186 41 17 66 65 557 29.3 0 0 --- 0.271 0.060 0.812
BIRD BOS 40.38 1.078 21 787 192 413 .465 95 102 .931 32 207 149 27 70 22 492 23.4 13 43 .302 0.263 0.189 0.625
JOHNSON LAL 38.95 1.072 21 763 157 335 .469 122 138 .884 39 142 225 46 85 14 451 21.5 15 63 .238 0.186 0.295 0.591
DREXLER POR 37.35 1.000 17 635 163 315 .517 70 95 .737 52 114 122 33 52 12 399 23.5 3 12 .250 0.180 0.192 0.628
MULLIN GSW 36.95 0.965 20 766 202 369 .547 120 140 .857 30 105 84 35 76 8 550 27.5 26 61 .426 0.137 0.110 0.718
ROBINSON SAS 36.33 1.043 18 627 133 241 .552 135 193 .699 78 223 30 31 58 46 401 22.3 0 0 --- 0.356 0.048 0.640
STOCKTON UTA 35.76 0.951 17 639 111 220 .505 84 102 .824 14 47 245 57 63 4 316 18.6 10 19 .526 0.074 0.383 0.495
OLAJUWON HOU 35.65 1.038 20 687 172 345 .499 67 107 .626 56 246 55 35 85 91 412 20.6 1 2 .500 0.358 0.080 0.600
BARKLEY PHI 35.56 0.945 18 677 136 221 .615 128 168 .762 71 181 56 35 55 11 403 22.4 3 17 .176 0.267 0.083 0.595
TARPLEY DAL 35.00 0.977 6 215 43 102 .422 19 24 .792 36 101 4 12 21 10 105 17.5 0 0 --- 0.470 0.019 0.488
A bit more meaningful, although the stats are about a week old.
j.
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| 8.107 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Merry Christmas Everyone | Fri Dec 22 1989 10:23 | 12 |
|
Thanks Jeff, but even your stats clearly show that Bird is not a washed
up has-been as the LaLA boys would like us to believe. The reason that
I stated it was from one night a week was to avoid the LALA boys coming
back at me and saying that I was picking Larry's best night and Jimmy
Clang's worst night. Also I was being a bit more selective by only
showing the ratings for forwards around which this discussion has been
taking place...
Thanks again though for solidifing my argument....
mike
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| 8.108 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Fri Dec 22 1989 10:33 | 3 |
| Have the Cadavs ever won a conference title, let alone a
champeenship?
Denny
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| 8.109 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Fri Dec 22 1989 11:32 | 6 |
| >> Thanks again though for solidifing my argument....
My pleasure. Bird is certainly having a sensational year, stat-wise (as
usual).
j.
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| 8.110 | a scoring idea? | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Fri Dec 22 1989 11:37 | 17 |
| In looking at the worth of a player in terms of points, how about this
scheme, based on the premise that both teams in a game shoot 50%:
points a point is a point
+ 2*assists 2 points per assist, someone scored 2
+ rebounds 1 point, your possession, score 2 1/2 of time
+ steals 1 point, your possession, score 2 1/2 of time
- turnovers 1 point, their possession, score 2 1/2 of time
Somehow, you could work in blocks, except when you read the stat you
don't know who recovered the ball. If you get it, it's worth a point. If
they get it, it's worth a point to them.
BTW, all of the above stats are reported by the media, making it easy to
look it up.
TTom
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| 8.111 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | It's a Jingle out there | Fri Dec 22 1989 15:25 | 12 |
|
I would say that an assist is worth < two points. Even after making
a pass you are counting on another player to make the right play
to get the bucket. For example if Player A is driving the lane
and dishes and uncontested pass outside to Player B who hits a
18 footer, has Player A really done an equal amount of work compared
to B?
My main point is you can't really get anyone to agree on all of
this. Its sort of like QB ratings or computerized team rankings.
Bruce
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| 8.113 | The INSIDER.. | RIGEL4::JBONNO | | Fri Dec 22 1989 16:21 | 7 |
| The NBA HATES it when people bet on their games. The commissioner
didn't allow CBS to have Jimmy "The Greek" on its pre-game show. One
of the stipulations when the NBA signed on with CBS is that CBS would
have no one giving picks on the games. The NBA felt it was demeaning
to the sport.
jab
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| 8.114 | | 2HOT::NORI | | Fri Dec 22 1989 17:03 | 8 |
| 8.107
Nobody ever said Bird is washed up. It's you guys who keeping saying
Worthy is a Clang. It is really funny because, you show Birds rebound
stats and say Worthy is Jimmy Clang. You are only showing Bird is a
better defensive rebounder ( Worthy has almost 2 to 1 edge in offensive
rebounds), that doesn't even mean Bird is a better defensive player.
--Ram Nori
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| 8.115 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Dec 22 1989 17:43 | 12 |
| Steve, the NFL already tried to sue Oregon for their lottery involving
football. I don't if there has been a settlement yet, but I'm pretty
sure you can still bet on NFL games (with spreads) courtesy of the
state of Oregon. If the NFL couldn't keep them from doing it, I don't
think the NBA will either.
Ram, I believe the Clang came from Worthy's perceived propensity for
missing foul shots in the clutch. Worthy doesn't have the defensive
rebound numbers because he's too busy running the other way trying to
get the fast break layup. Bird doesn't get the offensive rebounds
because McHales long arms and big feet keep getting in the way.
HTH ;^)
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| 8.116 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Fri Dec 22 1989 17:57 | 5 |
|
Don't several other states also have sports lotteries? I would like to
see it here also.
|
| 8.117 | | 2HOT::NORI | | Sat Dec 23 1989 15:12 | 10 |
| Celtics lost by a point to the 76ers. With 7 minutes to go Celtics had
12 points lead but Sir Charles and company managed to take the lead
with less than a minute to go. In the final few seconds 76ers missed
four free throws and Boston had a chance to take the lead. Yes it was
Larry Bird who missed the shots both the times.
BTW Biwas 5 out of 14. I and I think 1 of 9 in the second half.
--Ram Nori
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| 8.118 | Charles in charge :-) | CSC32::GL_JOHNSON | She's Stone Cold Bush! | Sat Dec 23 1989 20:14 | 14 |
|
I just read this excerpt from the weekend edition of the USA
Today(reprinted without permission):
Charles Barkley has had 55 different teammates in his five
seasons with the 76ers and when Maurice Cheeks was traded before
the start of the season, the last member of the 1983 world championship
team was gone. "There is no question the team now is built around
Charles," coach Jim Lynam said.
Maybe they should call them Team Barkley instead of the 76ers.
GJ
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| 8.119 | the consistency of water | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Tue Dec 26 1989 16:02 | 1 |
| swishless was 5-14? maaaan, that's baaaaad!!!!!!!
|
| 8.120 | Wanna bet? | MUSKIE::WIERSBECK | Please let it get above 0 again | Wed Dec 27 1989 11:37 | 17 |
| If the NBA is concerned about betting, they should listen to the
final minute of last night's game between the Woofs and Chicago.
I was listening on radio and watching on TV. Chicago had been up
by 20, but the Woofs cut it to 112-95. Another turnover by Chicago,
the Woofs score again and it's 112-97. The crowd is getting real
restless for garbage time as Chicago brings it down with under 30
seconds to go. Another turnover, Woofs basket and you'd think Chicago
was losing. It's now 112-99 and Jim Kelly is saying that he's going
to check the line in the paper later and guesses it's at 15. Chicago
has one last chance, but with the fans screaming for the player
to shoot, he passes it back out and time runs out. The fans are
in an uproar. Final 112-99.
The line was 15.
Spud
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| 8.121 | | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Wed Dec 27 1989 11:45 | 10 |
|
question: is Tarpley of Dallas averaging 16.8 rebounds a game
or what? under the team stats fro dallas it says he is (and
has said it for several weeks) but he is not even listed
in the top twenty rebounders of which he should be number
one above Olajuwon who is at 13.0.
any ideas?
sean
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| 8.122 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Dec 27 1989 12:17 | 5 |
| sean, its probably because Tarpley doesn't have enough playing time to
be considered a league leader. He hasn't played for almost a month
since being suspended indefinitely after being arrested for DWI.
Rumor has it that Tarpley will be back this Friday.
|
| 8.123 | What a turnaround | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Dec 27 1989 12:20 | 6 |
| San Antonio recorded their 6th straight win and now have the 2nd best
record in the NBA after beating Charlotte last night. Terry Cummings
showed why he was the player of the week last week as he led the Spurs
in scoring again. Cummings has proven to be a great aquisition for the
Spurs. Robinson had an off night shooting (5-13, 14pts), but pulled
down 14 rebounds.
|
| 8.124 | | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Wed Dec 27 1989 12:30 | 10 |
|
re: .122
thanks mac, i forgot about that. he is averaging 35.8 minutes and
has scored around 269 points this season with 17.5 ppg. that makes
around 15 games playes which should be enough to make the stats.
it must be a rule that you can't make the stats list if you are
on probation...
sean
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| 8.125 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | Hell, the fall'll probly kill ya! | Wed Dec 27 1989 13:49 | 6 |
| At this point in the season, you can look at road wins (forget home wins) and
get a pretty good idea who's going to be in the playoffs. I don't have a paper
in front of me, but I'm sure the Lakers are leading in this category.
surprisingly, the Nuggets are looking pretty fair.
Mike JN
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| 8.126 | | VIA::NORI | | Wed Dec 27 1989 19:03 | 9 |
| Here are Worthy and Bird stats from last nights games.
MIN FG-A FT-A R A P T BLK ST TO 3PTS
Bird 39 11-22 4-4 5 5 4 27 0 2 5 1-3
Worthy 40 9-15 0-0 5 4 5 19 3 1 1 1-1
--Ram Nori
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| 8.127 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | It's a Jingle out there | Wed Dec 27 1989 19:39 | 10 |
| re -1
I guess everytime I look in the paper and see that Worthy had a
game that is about the same as Bird's I can expect Mr. Nori to post
the stats. Thankfully, it won't happen often.
Dan, can you give your fellow Laker fan here your little speech
about how stats from one game don't mean much. Thanks.
Bruce
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| 8.128 | | VIA::NORI | | Thu Dec 28 1989 12:40 | 8 |
| re: -1
I just stated a fact whick is true and truth is alway bitter Mr. May_Br.
Why do have to ask a Lakers fan to talk to me ? If you don't like what
I have written you can always skip it, can't you ? If you have a point
to make based on stats, you can do so, I can assure you I am not going
to ask a celtics fan to give you a speech.
--Ram Nori
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| 8.129 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Dec 28 1989 12:52 | 3 |
| Hey Ram, Larry scored 37 points last night, and despite a less than
spectacular performance in the game you chose to cite, he hit the
clutch shots at the end which perserved the win.
|
| 8.130 | What's Wrong With Jimmy | SAGE::ROSS | Fa.la.la.la.la.la.la.la.la" | Thu Dec 28 1989 13:02 | 5 |
| Also, if you follow Dan's season-to-date mode of evaluating talent,
you'd see that Larry's FG% has risen since the last update and Jimmy's
has dropped a bit. Jimmy ain't even near the top 20 in FG%.
|
| 8.131 | | NRADM::KING | No dog after all..... | Thu Dec 28 1989 18:15 | 4 |
| Whats the Story with Doc Rivers of Atlanta? He didn't
play last night and it looks like they could have used him...
REK
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| 8.132 | | RIGEL4::JBONNO | | Thu Dec 28 1989 18:19 | 10 |
| re -1
Doc has been having back problems. He didn't play in the Cleveland
game, either. Noone knows when he'll be back. It's a day-to-day type
of injury.
HTH
jab
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| 8.133 | | SHANE::PACIELLO | | Thu Dec 28 1989 18:26 | 4 |
| How about Chuck Person, he didn't play last night either...
-Mike
|
| 8.134 | | RIGEL4::JBONNO | | Thu Dec 28 1989 18:33 | 1 |
| ....he was walking on Doc's back.
|
| 8.135 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Thu Dec 28 1989 18:47 | 3 |
| Chuck Person has a scratched cornea and will miss Wednesday's game versus
Orlando. Rivers is questionable for Wednesday's game versus Dallas due to a
sore back.
|
| 8.136 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | It's a Jingle out there | Thu Dec 28 1989 19:13 | 28 |
| > re: -1
> I just stated a fact whick is true and truth is alway bitter Mr. May_Br.
Aren't we getting a little sensitive here, Mr. --Ram Nori? I also
stated facts, but you seem to be the bitter one.
> Why do have to ask a Lakers fan to talk to me ?
Because a Laker fan who prides himself on his "objectivity" chastised
a Celtic fan for using stats from one performance and said that
they mean nothing.
> If you don't like what
> I have written you can always skip it, can't you ?
I can also say that it is a dumb remark, and you can always skip
that.
> If you have a point
> to make based on stats, you can do so, I can assure you I am not going
> to ask a celtics fan to give you a speech.
I did make my point, but you were too busy whining to see it. And
I don't need a speech I am right! HAR!
Bruce
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| 8.137 | | VIA::NORI | | Thu Dec 28 1989 20:21 | 24 |
| re : .136
Let me get this mess sorted, first of all my note (.126) just gave a
stat, AND IF YOU READ IT CAREFULLY WITH EYES OPEN IT DID NOT DRAW ANY
CONCLUSION. What's wrong if I give a stat ? Mr Ross has put three
or four notes when Worthy had bad games, why didn't you complain then ?
Aren't you using double standards here ?
So far you have enterd six notes and none of them are based on stats.
Out of the six enteries you have so far, 3 of them are responses to my
notes complaining about the stats I have entered ? Where are the facts ?
If 50% of your entries are complaining about my notes, then it is you, who
is whining not me.
I didn't chastise any one for using stats. I like stats and whenever I
get a chance I'll post them. As far as I am concered they mean somthing
to me.
I too have opinions about your notes but would not tell you what I think of
your entries.
Take it easy, Bruce will'ya ?
--Ram Nori
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| 8.138 | Trade possibility??? | CSC32::GL_JOHNSON | She's Stone Cold Bush! | Fri Dec 29 1989 09:09 | 11 |
| re: .122
Mac, any word on the Mavericks plans for Tarpley. I remember
their owner expressing something to the effect that they were tired
of 'babysitting' him. If he could stay clean, it would definetely
be a boost for them.
I hope for his sake that he can stay clean.
GJ
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| 8.139 | Dallas - 1 | STRATA::RNEWCOMB | 3Ps: Pippen,Porter,Patrick of FBA | Fri Dec 29 1989 10:28 | 10 |
| re-1
During the TBS game of Atlanta-Dallas, they mentioned that Dallas
had released Texas native Micheal Williams earlier in the day.
That left Dallas with only 11 men on the active squad??
So is Tarpley ready to come back...I don't know but they do
need a body...
Newc
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| 8.140 | | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Fri Dec 29 1989 11:18 | 6 |
|
i need an update on the tarpley situation. (i think i brought
it up a bunch of notes back). he was suspended for dwi? or was
it tailgating? anyways, what's the scoop? :)
sean
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| 8.141 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | It's a Jingle out there | Fri Dec 29 1989 13:58 | 11 |
| re .137
I guess you don't believe that a reply is worth anything unless
it contains facts which come in the form of stats. Since I am such
an all round nice guy, I'll cincede to tour wishes, and do my best
to not post anything in here unless it contains stats.
Tellis Frank had 1 rebound last night for Miami.
Bruce
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| 8.142 | Larry clangs, but refs bail him out | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | I flushed MrT! | Fri Dec 29 1989 16:09 | 15 |
| >Also, if you follow Dan's season-to-date mode of evaluating talent,
>you'd see that Larry's FG% has risen since the last update and Jimmy's
>has dropped a bit. Jimmy ain't even near the top 20 in FG%.
But, Doug, didn't you recently state something to the effect
that a 45% FG percentage is really almost the same as a 51%
FG pct. That there isn't really much of a difference and that
we should ignore it because it's just one basket a game or
so? You had *me* convinced. *I* believe you. Alright,
so all the coaches, scouts, fans and media in the world
would ridicule the idea and realize it's just a weak-kneed
defense of some poor play by your hero, Larry Bird, but
you can count me solidly in your corner.
Dan
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| 8.143 | Stop being so parochial | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | I flushed MrT! | Fri Dec 29 1989 16:17 | 16 |
| > Because a Laker fan who prides himself on his "objectivity" chastised
> a Celtic fan for using stats from one performance and said that
> they mean nothing.
Bruce, you know my name. You can call me Dan. The stats
presented cause me know problem. Its ridiculous editorializing
about them. The stupid stuff like: Anyone who only gets 2
rebounds in a certain game is one-dimensional. Doug
made stuff like that up, and I responded.
It IS silly to quote stats from one game and presume that
to be the norm when season averages tell a different story.
Don't you agree?
Dan
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| 8.144 | the jifference | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Fri Dec 29 1989 16:21 | 10 |
|
yeah i remember that 45%-50% comparison... had me *convinced*
too! by the way, there IS a big difference between the two in terms
of *talent*. take a look at the top twenty scorers and tell me
who has the lowest shooting percentage. People who pop a lot of
shots (20+ ppg) tend to be shooting at least 50%. I wonder how
the celtics would be doing if bird was shooting 50% with all the
shots he's been taking...
sean
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| 8.145 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | It's a Jingle out there | Fri Dec 29 1989 16:32 | 8 |
|
I agree with you 100% Dan, that was my point.
BTW, Sam Bowie had 1 assist last night.
Bruce
|
| 8.146 | | SAGE::ROSS | More turkey??? | Fri Dec 29 1989 17:02 | 11 |
| >about them. The stupid stuff like: Anyone who only gets 2
>rebounds in a certain game is one-dimensional. Doug
>made stuff like that up, and I responded.
Ha ha. I have NEVER based Jimmy's one-dimensionality on
a single game's statistics. I've said from day one that
he isn't a rebounder and doesn't pass well and leaves his feet
too much on defense and he has not got a legit NBA jumper {with
someone in his face}. The fact that he has several games per
year with 3 or fewer rebounds are just fuel for the fire.
|
| 8.147 | | SAGE::ROSS | More turkey??? | Fri Dec 29 1989 17:05 | 10 |
| > <<< Note 8.144 by LEVERS::STROUT "knocking on heaven's door..." >>>
> who has the lowest shooting percentage. People who pop a lot of
> shots (20+ ppg) tend to be shooting at least 50%. I wonder how
> the celtics would be doing if bird was shooting 50% with all the
> shots he's been taking...
That is so wrong it isn't even funny. I'll get the stats, but
try and remember some guys like Pete Maravich, John Havlicek,etc.
What were their FG% like? I'd guess about 45% career.
|
| 8.148 | The game plan is to win. Worthy is a tool | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | I flushed MrT! | Fri Dec 29 1989 17:20 | 45 |
| >That is so wrong it isn't even funny. I'll get the stats, but
>try and remember some guys like Pete Maravich, John Havlicek,etc.
>What were their FG% like? I'd guess about 45% career.
That was yesteryear, Doug. As the NBA has aged, FG% has
risen and shots per game has dropped. You'll find less
and less "stars" whjo have a career 45% FG average.
It's well below Bird's norm as well.
Admit it, among other things, his shooting is off this year,
likely from losing a step around the picks, and it's negatively
effecting the Celtics.
RE: Worthy
>I've said from day one that he isn't a rebounder
The fact that he outrebounds Bird almost 2-1 on the
offensive boards, yet is outrebounded 2-1 on the defensive
boards certainly backs my theory about the Lakers game
plan more than yours. 7 RPG is not that bad, for a guy
who is called on to release when the other team hoists up
a shot by the coach.
>and doesn't pass well
Passes better than most forwards in the NBA. That's alright
with me and Pat Riley. Lotsa rings.
>and leaves his feet
>too much on defense and he has not got a legit NBA jumper {with
>someone in his face}.
And when you've consistently got one of the higher shooting
pct.s in the league and your opponents are regularly quoted
to disagree with your contention we claim "lip service" don't we?
>The fact that he has several games per
>year with 3 or fewer rebounds are just fuel for the fire.
No, it clearly shows that you realize the rest of your argument
has been forever weak, so you attempt to rationalize your
opinions with weak statistical analysis.
Dan
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| 8.149 | | SAGE::ROSS | More turkey??? | Fri Dec 29 1989 17:22 | 23 |
| Of the top twenty scorers, 8 are shooting under 50%... Guys like
Dominique Wilkins, Dale Ellis, Tom Chambers, Tony Campbell, Terry
Cummings, Ron Harper, and Mitch Richmond.... and Larry Bird.
You can also put guys like Ewing, Tisdale, David Robinson into
a separate category because they shoot from closer in.
That leaves 8 top scorers who shoot from all over the court and shoot
over 50%:
Jordan 52%
K.Malone 57%
Mullin 53%
Drexler 51%
Barkley 61%
R.Miller 52%
J.Malone 50%
McDaniel 53%
Oh yeah... and if Bird were shooting 50%, he'd be averaging 2 more
points a game... not exactly a big deal.
|
| 8.150 | Just goes to show you... | SHANE::PACIELLO | | Fri Dec 29 1989 17:33 | 4 |
| It takes s SIXER to wipe out you Celtic/Laker lovers!!!! Go TUBS!!
-Mike
|
| 8.151 | | SAGE::ROSS | More turkey??? | Fri Dec 29 1989 17:40 | 78 |
| >That was yesteryear, Doug. As the NBA has aged, FG% has
>risen and shots per game has dropped. You'll find less
>and less "stars" whjo have a career 45% FG average.
>It's well below Bird's norm as well.
Bird doesn't have a 45% average anymore... And I bet it will
be up near 48-49% by season's end.
>Admit it, among other things, his shooting is off this year,
>likely from losing a step around the picks, and it's negatively
>effecting the Celtics.
No way. Losing a step around the picks would mean he wouldn't
be getting the shots. Every time I've seen him have a bad shooting
game it was because the ball wasn't dropping or he was taking them
from too far out. I think it is completely due to his legs still
not being right.
Negatively "effecting" them as opposed to last year?
>The fact that he outrebounds Bird almost 2-1 on the
>offensive boards, yet is outrebounded 2-1 on the defensive
>boards certainly backs my theory about the Lakers game
>plan more than yours. 7 RPG is not that bad, for a guy
>who is called on to release when the other team hoists up
>a shot by the coach.
Dan, since you make the excuse for Worthy's defensive
rebounding as being his "releasing", could it be that
Bird's offensive rebounds are lower because he doesn't
sit under the basket and is usually outside the area
where orebs land? Or doesn't it work that way, too?
>and doesn't pass well
>
>Passes better than most forwards in the NBA. That's alright
>with me and Pat Riley. Lotsa rings.
Ho ho ho. Merry Christmas. The first better than average
passer to average less than 4 assists over his career.
Better than average? By what criteria? "Passes James
could have made if he wanted to"? He chokes on the pass
anytime he has to think about it for more than a split
second.
>and leaves his feet
>too much on defense and he has not got a legit NBA jumper {with
>someone in his face}.
>And when you've consistently got one of the higher shooting
>pct.s in the league and your opponents are regularly quoted
>to disagree with your contention we claim "lip service" don't we?
So what's his problem this year? Seems like his FG% is
down further from his career FG% than Bird's is.
As for "lip service", give me some quotes of players
who say Bird is lousy on defense. It's just not done
in the pros, even if it's true.
See Joe Dumars for a reference, okay?
>No, it clearly shows that you realize the rest of your argument
>has been forever weak, so you attempt to rationalize your
>opinions with weak statistical analysis.
So how about some strong statistical analysis to prove your points?
Instead of falling back on "rings","game plans", "Pat Riley says", etc.
I think a guy who ends his career averaging under 20 points, under 7
boards, and under 4 assists can hardly be called dominating, awesome,
MVP caliber, etc. You have to prove otherwise.
|
| 8.152 | Doug Ross = Spin Doctor | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | I flushed MrT! | Fri Dec 29 1989 17:41 | 15 |
| AH, so the analysis goes that the difference between shooting
45% and 50% is "not exactly a big deal". And what's the
difference between winning and losing? "Sorta Insignificant"?
When your star player who hoists up by far the majority of
your team's shots has fallen off in shooting by over
10%, you better believe the coach thinks it's a big
deal.
2 years ago, the Celts went to the East finals. Last year
without Bird, they were mediocre. This year, they got
Bird back and expectations were set to go deep into
the playoffs. And their still mediocre. Tells you something.
Dan
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| 8.153 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | It's a Jingle out there | Fri Dec 29 1989 17:44 | 6 |
|
I guess Mr. --Ram Nori and I have passed the baton over to the Dan
and Doug show. It's OK with me. 8^)
Bruce
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| 8.154 | | SAGE::ROSS | More turkey??? | Fri Dec 29 1989 17:50 | 38 |
| >AH, so the analysis goes that the difference between shooting
>45% and 50% is "not exactly a big deal". And what's the
>difference between winning and losing? "Sorta Insignificant"?
You tell me what the difference is, Dan between a
45% shooter and a 50% shooter.
How about if I make it easy for you:
Player A takes 20 shots per game and shoots 50%,
that's 20 points.
Player B takes 20 shots per game and shoots 45%,
that's 18 points.
What's the difference? You say 10%, I say two points.
Does it apply to baseball, too? If Don Mattingly hits
.345 one year and .311 the next, is that a problem? Is
he done? Or might there be other factors?
>When your star player who hoists up by far the majority of
>your team's shots has fallen off in shooting by over
>10%, you better believe the coach thinks it's a big
>deal.
It's not over 10% any more... and it won't be by season's
end.
>2 years ago, the Celts went to the East finals. Last year
>without Bird, they were mediocre. This year, they got
>Bird back and expectations were set to go deep into
>the playoffs. And their still mediocre. Tells you something.
They are mediocre because of the guards, not because of Bird.
|
| 8.155 | | SAGE::ROSS | More turkey??? | Fri Dec 29 1989 17:52 | 10 |
| > I guess Mr. --Ram Nori and I have passed the baton over to the Dan
> and Doug show. It's OK with me. 8^)
>
> Bruce
Just want to end the year with one of us getting the last
word in. :-)
Happy New Year to Dan, Mr. May_br, and especially Jimmy
Clang.
|
| 8.156 | Pencil him in for the Hall of Fame | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Trying to forget your generation. | Fri Dec 29 1989 17:55 | 29 |
| Re. .148 --
Right on target, Dan. I wish somebody could explain to me why Doug
feels the need to single out Worthy and spend so much time bashing his
game. The fact is that Worthy is one of the best forwards in the game.
Any team would take him in a second (except Boston; he's much too fast
for anyone on that team, and would take them out of their strategic
slow-motion offense).
His game is indeed well-rounded. He finishes off the break better than
anyone in the league today, proabably better than anyone ever. He's a
great post-up player and he's also a solid outside shooter. Defense?
He was good enough to shut down Dale Ellis in the playoffs last May.
When was the last time Larry Bird was assigned to cover a high-scoring
guard? Forget it. He has trouble enough with the Charles Smiths
(Clips) of the world.
And let's not forget Worthy's performance in the big playoff games over
the last few years. Like the way he dominated games 6 and 7 of the '88
finals against Detroit. 35 points, 16 rebounds, 10 assists in game 7!
In contrast, the last time Bird was in the championship he pulled a
complete disappearing act in Game 6 as he watched his team go down to
defeat.
Hey Doug, let's simplify this discussion a bit. Which forwards would
you take over Worthy today? The only ones I can think of are Barkley
and K. Malone.
Laker_Ken
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| 8.157 | I'll sneak another one in! | JULIET::MAY_BR | It's a Jingle out there | Fri Dec 29 1989 17:55 | 5 |
|
Doug, unless you or Dan plan to cheat and log in from home, you
are both at a time zone disadvantage. 8^)
Bruce
|
| 8.158 | Bash, defend, bash, defend, bash, defend... | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | I flushed MrT! | Fri Dec 29 1989 18:05 | 57 |
| >could it be that
>Bird's offensive rebounds are lower because he doesn't
>sit under the basket and is usually outside the area
>where orebs land? Or doesn't it work that way, too?
No, it doesn't Bird and Worthy probably post up about
equal number of times during a game. The Laker's
offense doesn't have Worthy down low when he's not
posting. The reason he gets more than Bird is more
likely skill set and also Larry's deep outside shooting.
Yep, circumstances play a role...I admit that. Just as
they do on the defensive board, something you have
been unwilling to admit.
>The first better than average
>passer to average less than 4 assists over his career.
You are misusing the term average here. I'm not comparing
Worthy to NBA point guards (8-10 assists per game) or
Larry Bird (6? apg), but to all NBA starting forwards. So
you felt it appropriate to ridicule the statement, but offer
NO reasoning to refute it.
I don't need to see a list of the stats, because I've
already glanced through them in the past. There's a
ton of starting NBA forwards who average between 0 and
2 assists per game. I'm not making great claims for Worthy
by saying he's better than average in this department, only
showing my disappointment in your obviously flawed
(and new) characterization of him as "no pass".
BTW, in last year's Vitale Basketball yearbook (which is
written by "a broad network of writers and basketball
experts from around the country") there was a section of
A Skill-by-Skill Ranking of the NBA Elite, James is rated
3rd at Swing Forward behind Bird and Wilkins, ahead of
English, Person and Agguire. The 4 ratings are Average
or Below, Above Average, Good and Superior. In the
category of Passing/Ball Handling, while Bird and Rodney
McCray got the only Superior ratings, James was rated as
one of the few Goods.
The objective measures of just measuring the assists
stats and the ratings of a panel of experts both support
my contention.
In case you're wondering, the rest of his offensive game was
rated as "Good" as well,. with the exception of Movement
without Ball (Superior) and Rebounding (Above Average).
>So how about some strong statistical analysis to prove your points?
>Instead of falling back on "rings","game plans", "Pat Riley says", etc.
And Happy Holidays to you, too.
Dan
|
| 8.159 | | SAGE::ROSS | More turkey??? | Fri Dec 29 1989 18:09 | 40 |
| > His game is indeed well-rounded. He finishes off the break better than
> anyone in the league today, proabably better than anyone ever. He's a
> great post-up player and he's also a solid outside shooter. Defense?
> He was good enough to shut down Dale Ellis in the playoffs last May.
> When was the last time Larry Bird was assigned to cover a high-scoring
> guard? Forget it. He has trouble enough with the Charles Smiths
> (Clips) of the world.
When has anyone claimed that Bird is a great defensive player?
And I remember Tom Chambers lighting Worthy up for about 40
in the playoffs... and don't forget Joe Dumars running him
into the ground. Or is 1989 an asterisk year for James?
> And let's not forget Worthy's performance in the big playoff games over
> the last few years. Like the way he dominated games 6 and 7 of the '88
> finals against Detroit. 35 points, 16 rebounds, 10 assists in game 7!
> In contrast, the last time Bird was in the championship he pulled a
> complete disappearing act in Game 6 as he watched his team go down to
> defeat.
He has also pulled some memorable choke jobs... Game 1 this
year?
> Hey Doug, let's simplify this discussion a bit. Which forwards would
> you take over Worthy today? The only ones I can think of are Barkley
> and K. Malone.
Over Worthy, I would take:
Barkley, K.Malone, Person, Bird, Mullin, Chambers, McDaniel,
McKey, Nance {if healthy}...
And two years ago I would have taken McHale, Buck Williams.
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.160 | I've run rings around you logically | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | I flushed MrT! | Fri Dec 29 1989 18:15 | 32 |
| > I guess Mr. --Ram Nori and I have passed the baton over to the Dan
> and Doug show. It's OK with me. 8^)
Bruce, you gotta admit, we're far more entertaining...
> What's the difference? You say 10%, I say two points.
The difference can be measured in a few wins and losses.
You may deem it unimportant now that it is convenient, but
if Bird were hitting his usual 53% or so and Worthy had sunk
down to the mid-40s, you'd be all over me about it.
> Does it apply to baseball, too? If Don Mattingly hits
> .345 one year and .311 the next, is that a problem? Is
> he done? Or might there be other factors?
Bad analysis. What's the standard deviation for BA? For
FG%? Much higher for BA, isn't it? Ill-conceived point.
> It's not over 10% any more... and it won't be by season's
> end.
It's well over 10% if my 53% estimate is accurate. And I've been
watching this stuff for a few weeks and I haven't seen any great
improvement in the stats, nor in Larry's judgement.
>They are mediocre because of the guards, not because of Bird.
They've overcome mediocre guards in the past because of
Bird.
Dan
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| 8.161 | | SAGE::ROSS | Last note of 1989 | Fri Dec 29 1989 18:23 | 3 |
| If Bird ends up at 50%, will you recant all your claims?
Keep running those rings... it'll keep you in shape.
|
| 8.162 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | It's a Jingle out there | Fri Dec 29 1989 18:31 | 18 |
| >================================================================================
>Note 8.160 Official NBA topic 160 of 161
>HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER "I flushed MrT!" 32 lines 29-DEC-1989 15:15
> -< I've run rings around you logically >-
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Bruce, you gotta admit, we're far more entertaining...
Doug and you sit back and entertain each other with boring stats.
Everyone else is bored to death. At least I got some emotion out
of Mr. --Ram Nori, even if it was only whining. 8^)
Have a good New Years anyway. 8^)
Bruce, who marvels at Dan's technoweenieship. How does he extract
text from two seperate notes?
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| 8.163 | Larry Bird: untouchable | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | I flushed MrT! | Fri Dec 29 1989 18:33 | 13 |
| >If Bird ends up at 50%, will you recant all your claims?
I have claimed that you won't hold Bird up to the same
harsh light that you hold Worthy to, and I have been
proven correct.
I have also claimed that Bird's performance is not what
it used to be. That is debatable, but I believe my opinion
is accurate.
If/when he starts playing better, I'll say so.
Dan
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| 8.164 | Ummm,. you wouldn't understand | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | I flushed MrT! | Fri Dec 29 1989 18:35 | 6 |
| > Bruce, who marvels at Dan's technoweenieship. How does he extract
> text from two seperate notes?
And I don't extract either. It's DECwindows magic.
Dan
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| 8.165 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | It's a Jingle out there | Fri Dec 29 1989 18:37 | 5 |
| 8.166 | | GENRAL::WADE | You can't always get what you want | Fri Dec 29 1989 18:45 | 6 |
| I asked a similar question in old notes and nobody answered me.
How the hell do you extract text from someone's note into your
own note. Come on Bruce, we nontechnoweenie's gotta help
each other out.
Claybone
|
| 8.167 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Fri Dec 29 1989 18:51 | 11 |
| REPLY/EXTRACT should do it. If you have a vanilla profile, it will put the
text into another window. Hit the DO key, say OTHER, hit select and use the
arrows to select the text you want, hit remove, hit the DO key, say OTHER, and
hit INSERT HERE. Then you're all set.
The easier way is to use a CALLABLE editor. When you say REPLY/EXTRACT, the
text is inserted into your main buffer and you can edit away.
If you have any questions, send me mail.
j.
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| 8.168 | | VIA::NORI | | Sat Dec 30 1989 16:07 | 5 |
| Celtics beat the Sonics 96-89. Lakers beat the Warriors 130-111. I
don't have complete details. For the Celtics Bird Scored 9 (yes, nine)
points with 7 turnovers. For the Lakers Worthy scored 34 points.
-- Ram Nori
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| 8.169 | | SAGE::ROSS | Last note of 1989 | Mon Jan 01 1990 01:53 | 3 |
| James Worthy is no Larry Bird. :-)
Happy New Year Dan!!!!
|
| 8.170 | | HEURIS::METZGER | Ex-NOTY | Tue Jan 02 1990 12:01 | 8 |
|
James Worthy is the Wade Boggs of Basketball...
:-)
metz
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| 8.171 | Same number of rings | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | I flushed MrT! | Tue Jan 02 1990 15:55 | 10 |
| >James Worthy is no Larry Bird. :-)
Thank goodness. We need speed! And you had already put
in your last note of the year...
BTW, Doug. Didn't we used to argue whether Rony Seikaly
was a legit NBA player? You must love his stats these
days.
Dan
|
| 8.172 | At least 15-20 forwards ahead of Worthy | LEAF::NAZZARO | Pats Season = TGIO | Tue Jan 02 1990 16:16 | 39 |
| Laker_Ken, did you really ask which forwards people would take over
Jimmy Clang, and you only listed two????????????????????????????
How about these for starters:
Oakley
John Williams, Washington
Dominique
Charles
Larry
Horace Grant (although not Harvey Grant - I'll give you that one)
Terry Catledge
Otis Thorpe
Roy Tarpley (when drug-free, of course)
Mailman
Terry Cummings
Buck Williams
Xavier McDaniel
Derrick McKey
Chris Mullin
Tom Chambers
Scottie Pippen
and maybe even these guys:
Wayman Tisdale
Roy Hinson
Larry Nance
Kevin McHale
There's a partial list, off the top of my head.
NAZZ
Chuck Person
Rodney McCray
|
| 8.173 | Not a chance | ANALYZ::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Tue Jan 02 1990 16:28 | 33 |
| Nazz, you have got to be kidding.
>>John Williams, Washington
>>Horace Grant (although not Harvey Grant - I'll give you that one)
>>Terry Catledge
>>Otis Thorpe
>>Terry Cummings
>>Buck Williams
>>Xavier McDaniel
>>Derrick McKey
>>Chris Mullin
>>Tom Chambers
>>Scottie Pippen
>>and maybe even these guys:
>>Wayman Tisdale
>>Roy Hinson
>>Larry Nance
>>Kevin McHale
>>Chuck Person
>>Rodney McCray
I edited the list. Anyone not on this list and is in -1 is a
possibilty depending on your biases. But anyone of the forwards listed
above would never get the nod over Worthy (IMO). Worthy is all star
calibre, unlike any of these (with the possible exception of McHale,
Chambers (ugh, hate this guy!)). Williams, Grant, Catledge, - No way
Jose.
Sameer
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| 8.174 | | TACKLE::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Tue Jan 02 1990 16:31 | 24 |
|
Oakley - a power forward, not a point producer.
John Williams - who????
Dominique - equal. both have strong suits
Bird - that's what this whole argument is about isn't it? :)
Horace Grant - come on now. gimme a break
Terry Catledge - " " " " " "
Otis Thorpe - " " " " " "
Chris Mullin - what???? he's a guard
Chambers - he's a center (or atleast was). not as good as worthy.
Pippen - not devloped enough. not as strong a player
Tisdale, Hinson, Nance, McHale, Person, McCray, McDaniel,
McKey - no way
lesse, that leaves:
Barkley, Tarpley, K. Malone, Cummings and Williams as better
forwards IMO. Worthy is definitely not as bad as people make
him out to be. It is just because of the team he is on that
he doesn't excel in more areas of the game. He can't be all
that bad if the Lakers have the best record in the NBA and
he is the teams top scorer. Surely that coubnts for something.
sean
|
| 8.175 | Just trying to get Laker_Ken riled a bit ;-) | LEAF::NAZZARO | Pats Season = TGIO | Tue Jan 02 1990 16:56 | 14 |
| Of course I was kidding - a bit! I would take most of those
guys over Worthy mostly because I can't stand Worthy! But seriously,
a guy like Horace Grant would go crazy in the Lakers' offense, the way
they move the ball and pass. So would Scottie Pippen, Dominique, Otis
Thorpe, and several others I mentioned.
James Worthy was blessed to be on the Lakers at the same time as Magic
Johnson, and with a coach like Pat Riley that makes the most of his
strengths and minimizes his weaknesses. If Worthy and John Williams
of Washington changed teams, Washington would be worse and LA the same
or better, because Worthy would have to do more than he does in LA
and wouldn't have Magic to make his job easier.
NAZZ
|
| 8.176 | Tarpley Recap | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Jan 02 1990 16:58 | 7 |
| sean, Tarpley was suspended by the doctor supervising his rehab
program after Roy was arrested for DWI. Dallas police stopped him
after he was observed tailgating and speeding. They determined he was
under the influence and also cited him for resisting arrest. All of
the minor violations have been dropped but he is still up on the DWI
charges. He was rumored to return last Friday, but I haven't read
anything about him over the weekend.
|
| 8.177 | the truth | TACKLE::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Tue Jan 02 1990 17:02 | 31 |
|
i remember someone saying a while back that only 8 of the top
20 scorers shot over .500. here's the truth: 11 shoot over .500
and 3 others shoot within .005 of .500:
jordan - .521
k.malone - .573
ewing - .542
mullin - .533
wilkins - .471
chambers - .485
drexler - .510
barkley - .608
bird - .460
ellis - .456
campbell - .480
tisdale - .540
j.malone - .495
miller - .517
olajuwon - .499
robinson - .546
mcdaniel - .522
worthy - .517
harper - .476
cummings - .495
this averages out to .512 for the top twenty, putting bird well
below and worthy above the average.
sean
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| 8.178 | James Worthy: Superstar and Superperson | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Jan 02 1990 17:15 | 13 |
| RE: blessings
Let's not forget the blessing Jimbo received for attending UNC
and learning hoops under the master. While attending the said
university Jim somehow managed to lead us to a Title and got named as
the most outstanding player in the 1982 NCAA Tournament.
Musta been overrated even back then, eh Nazz?
Hah!
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.179 | what master? | CNTROL::CHILDS | Kelly taps the JN's out of 'Saw, film @ | Tue Jan 02 1990 17:27 | 4 |
|
If it was such a blessing why did he leave early?
mike
|
| 8.180 | Chronicling the Dinosaurs' Demise | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Trying to forget your generation. | Tue Jan 02 1990 17:29 | 35 |
| Sameer and Sean --
Before you get all bent out of shape about Nazz's endless list, please
understand that we're not dealing with a well individual here at all.
It's very sad, really. Nazz has followed the Celts since their glory
days of the Russell era and has seen them up close (as team stat. man)
on a regular basis during the Bird era. When they were winning, it was
great for him. But now that the Green collapse is well underway, Nazz
can't take it. It would be difficult enough for most Celts fans to
deal with, but it's even worse for Nazz; night after night he has to
carefully record the dinosaurs' digressions. He has to watch from up
close as every mediocre rookie salivates at the prospect of lighting up
Swishless (LB) for a career night.
With no hope that things will improve in the near future (Michael
Smith's only hope is that he's traded within the division and Swishless
has to guard him every time they play), Nazz has developed a terrible
case of Laker-envy. He dreams of the days when the Celtics' core
players, like the current Laker group, were in their prime. He dreams
of the days when the Celts' front office actually knew how to build for
the future (like Jerry West does). Yet he knows it's not to be. He
knows that in the 1990s the Celts media guide is likely to read like the
Who's Who edition of Big Slow Mormons.
Therefore, when he lists people like Horace Grant over James Worthy, or
says some other outrageous anti-Lakerism, we should just pity the poor
soul for the plight he finds himself in, and not take him seriously.
After all, this is the same guy who told us in all seriousness that the
Lakers would finish in fifth place in the Pacific Division this season,
and that they would be in the draft lottery in two years.
What can you say to such an individual except this: we understand,
Nazz, and we hope you're getting help.
The_Concerned_Laker_Ken
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| 8.181 | | TACKLE::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Tue Jan 02 1990 17:39 | 6 |
| agagagagagagagagagag!!! ok, now I understand. What would happen
if Worthy got traded to the Celtics? Would he all of a sudden become
a good player, free from the chains of the lakers organization?
Me thinks so.
sean
|
| 8.182 | It will obviously take years of treatment | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | I flushed MrT! | Tue Jan 02 1990 17:40 | 8 |
| It sounds desparate, Ken. Maybe we should pool together
our resources and stage some sort of benefit auction, where all
proceeds go to Nazz's rehabilitation. I'll donate my paperback
copy of Showtime, by Pat Riley, and a copy of the 1987
NBA finals. They should fetch some big bucks which can
be used to pay for the therapy.
Dan
|
| 8.183 | | TACKLE::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Tue Jan 02 1990 17:43 | 5 |
|
I have a copy of SI's "Back to Back" 1988 Lakers Championship
bid (with Worthy as the series MVP). Would that help?
sean
|
| 8.184 | getting over the season | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Tue Jan 02 1990 17:49 | 4 |
| I got the USA Today Boxscore for the Lakers beating the Pistons. I'd be
glad to throw in a Xerox copy.
TTom
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| 8.185 | | TACKLE::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Tue Jan 02 1990 18:00 | 3 |
| yeah sure, let's see it. i hate detroit. :)
sean
|
| 8.186 | | 2HOT::NORI | | Tue Jan 02 1990 18:26 | 4 |
| Re : .172
Hey Nazz, Did you forget to add your own name to the list ? :-)
-- Ram Nori
|
| 8.187 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | I'm sent here by the chosen one | Tue Jan 02 1990 18:44 | 1 |
| I got most of the '85 series. I can toss in a copy.
|
| 8.188 | | SALEM::DODA | Walker + VIKINGS = Superbowl | Tue Jan 02 1990 18:47 | 6 |
| How about a large economy size box of *'s?
With velcro backs, so they can be used again and again and
again...
daryll
|
| 8.189 | Nazz would've loved this. :^( | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Jan 02 1990 18:50 | 8 |
| Up until a couple months ago I had an awesome poster of Jimbo in
Carolina Blue going in for a patented slam. Unfortunately the wife
threw it away when we moved. (Our marriage hasn't been the same since!
;^) )
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.190 | | PNO::HEISER | It's a BOY!!! | Tue Jan 02 1990 22:12 | 7 |
| > <<< Note 8.174 by TACKLE::STROUT "knocking on heaven's door..." >>>
> Chambers - he's a center (or atleast was). not as good as worthy.
He's Phoenix's small forward. I hear Worthy dreams of having a scoring
average as high as Chambers.
Mike
|
| 8.191 | | PNO::HEISER | It's a BOY!!! | Tue Jan 02 1990 22:15 | 7 |
| > <<< Note 8.179 by CNTROL::CHILDS "Kelly taps the JN's out of 'Saw, film @" >>>
> If it was such a blessing why did he leave early?
Because LA had the #1 pick that year (via Cleveland) and James didn't
want to play for the Clippers or some other '82 garbage team.
Mike
|
| 8.192 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | It's a GIRL!!! | Wed Jan 03 1990 02:27 | 7 |
| Gee, not to change the subject from this always interesting "Worthy tastes
great"/"Worthy's less filling" debate, but did anyone notice that Karl Malone
had 6 assists in each of his 3 games last week? I can't believe that in
addition to his guaranteed 30 points and 10+ boards, he's developing a good
passing game too.
j.
|
| 8.193 | Stockton rubbing off? | CNTROL::CHILDS | Will Tarheels be invited to the NIT? | Wed Jan 03 1990 10:05 | 11 |
|
Hadn't noticed Jeff, thanks for pointing it out. It's nice to see
guys improve the overall game every year. I like Malone but I can't
understand how a guy who plays as physical as he does gets all the
calls he does. I mean people breathe on him in the lane and they
get called. Maybe it's the last name because before him it was Moses
who got all the calls.
Seems old Mo had a game last night 31 points with 14 boards.....
mike
|
| 8.194 | Suns looked good in crunch time. | SASE::SZABO | been TERRIFIED! | Wed Jan 03 1990 10:29 | 8 |
| The Knicks lost their first home game last night to Mike Heiser's Suns.
I caught the last 5-6 minutes, Knicks down by 8-10, and the home crowd
pushing them on. But, instead of the expected comeback to win by 2,
the Knicks lost their poise, something that the Suns showed plenty of.
Who is this guy Majerle? :-)
Hawk
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| 8.195 | Suns on the rebound | PNO::HEISER | It's a BOY!!! | Wed Jan 03 1990 15:30 | 13 |
| Hawk, can you believe Majerle was drafted 14th in the first round?
He is going to end up the NBA version of Dan Marino!
Big win for the Suns last night in MSG against the Knicks. That was
the Knick's first home loss this season. It is good to see them
winning on the road against good teams now.
As Celtic's fans look to the Christmas Day Massacre as a turning point,
the Sun's fans look to last year's win at Boston Garden as a turning
point. They're also hoping last night's win does the same for this team.
Final was 113-99.
Mike
|
| 8.196 | Bet you know the answer to this question, Chris! | LEAF::NAZZARO | Dean Smith is scared of UMass | Wed Jan 03 1990 18:28 | 7 |
| Yeah, with a team of Jordan, Perkins, and Worthy up front, UNC
needed Freddy Brown to pass the ball to the wrong team for the
Heels to win their only NCAA title in memory. Oh, BTW, how many
free throws did ol' Jimmy Clang make when he went to the line with
two seconds left and the Heels up one?
NAZZ
|
| 8.197 | Is January 3 annual"dump on NAZZ" day? | LEAF::NAZZARO | Dean Smith is scared of UMass | Wed Jan 03 1990 18:34 | 11 |
| Also BTW, thanks guys for all your concern. But the day I accept any
help from a Laker fan is the only indication that I really do need
help!
And the Lakers should swap team nicknames with the Orlando franchise.
Magic is the only reason the Lakers are above .500 this year, and
without him, they would have won zero titles! Yeah, yeah, that's the
ticket - the LA Magic and the Orlando Lakers.
NAZZ
|
| 8.198 | If the game was on the line, he would've made 'em. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Wed Jan 03 1990 18:40 | 17 |
| When Jimbo went to the line the outcome was no longer in doubt. (i.e.
only a couple of ticks left on the clock) So it hardly mattered that
he missed 'em. And nobody knows if Gougetown (tm) would've scored
even if Brown hadn't made his horrendously ill-advised pass.
Worthy's achievements (Most Outstanding Player in NCAA tourney) should
not be lessened because we had Perkins and Jordan. Mike was only a
freshman, not exactly the same player you see torching the NBA night
after night. Worthy was our star - our go-to guy. He delivered in the
clutch during 1982 possibly better than any Tar Heel ever. And we've
had a few good ones along the way.
Best description of Worthy came from Al McGuire back in '82. "Worthy is
a Man playing with boys." Still holds true today for Jim, to a certain
extent.
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.199 | Worthy could have been the next Alex English | LEAF::NAZZARO | Dean Smith is scared of UMass | Wed Jan 03 1990 18:44 | 10 |
| It's pretty sad when you have to go to the master of understatement,
Al McGuire, for a good quote on Worthy. Now, however, he's a man among
boys no longer; in the NBA, he's a man among men. And if he were
drafted by any team other than the Lakers, he would have zero rings.
He was in the right place at the right time, which after all, is the
key to life itself. He's a good player whose style of play meshes
perfectly with the greatest player in NBA history. James Worthy is
indeed a fortunate man.
NAZZ
|
| 8.200 | fooled West | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Wed Jan 03 1990 19:08 | 6 |
| Now it wasn't exactly coincidence that Jay Dub ended up with the Lakers.
Jerry West manuevered into a position to get the first pick and chose
him. So put Jerry on the list of those that don't realize how overrated
Worthy was.
TTom
|
| 8.201 | | RAB::NORI | | Wed Jan 03 1990 20:22 | 14 |
| Re : .199
That is true with any player Nazz, Larry Bird without Parish and
McHale would have zero rings. Dr J needed Malone to win a ring. Don't
you know basketball is a team sport ? If it were just one player sport
Jordon would have had five rings by now. If Bird is the greatest how come
he has only three rings ? If Bird is with any other team, he probably will
be no better than Scott Wedman. What my point is even a great player
needs help to win championships.
Let me put it this way Nazz, Worthy in his rookie season broke his leg
during playoffs and you know what happened ? It was a sweep for the
76'ers. Jordon never won another NCAA championship without Worhty.
-- Ram Nori
|
| 8.202 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | DRIVE - the fairy tale of my life | Thu Jan 04 1990 09:52 | 14 |
|
Jordan never won another title without Jimmy Clang because of the famed
(stupidy in some eyes) Deanho system which would not feature Michael
and exploit his talents.
If Worthy was the go to guy why was it up to Michael to hit the game
winner? If it was't for Michael's presence on the floor would have
James been so easily open in the paint?
and seven goal tending charges against Patrick to start the game didn't
hurt either....
Bird another Wedman surely you jest. That statement doesn't even
deserve a rebuttal....
|
| 8.203 | In this case, Worthy helped control his destiny | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Thu Jan 04 1990 10:53 | 43 |
| re: Nazz
You are correct that Jim has been fortunate to have played for some
great teams. But keep in mind that those teams were great in large
part because of his presence. Without Worthy, there would've been no
Title in '82, I'll guarantee ya. I'd also venture to say that LA would
have significantly fewer Titles without his presence.
Another interesting point to ponder is the fact that Worthy helped his
cause greatly by some very intelligent decisions. First, he chose to
go to Carolina. That was his choice, and obviously a good one. Then
he went hardship on Dean's advise, knowing that he would probably end
up on a quality team. This is one case where leaving early really paid
off for a guy. Plus he went back and got his degree, so no harm done.
re: Childs
First, I'm glad to see that p-name of yours go. Second, our 1984 team
which apparently you feel underachieved and was poorly coached was one of
our all-time best. Maybe THE all-time best. And we could've had
Worthy on this team, don't forget. This team went 14-0 in the ACC - an
almost unheard of feat. It was ranked #1 for most of the season, going
undefeated against a plethora of top-notch opponents.
Then it happened. Kenny Smith broke his wrist late in the season
(thanks to a cheap shot on a breakaway dunk against LSU) and the team
was understandably never the same. We lost in the infamous Sweet 16
game to Indiana, with Kenny playing with a cast on his wrist, making
him practically impotent.
This team was NOT, repeat NOT, poorly coached. If not for the injury
to Kenny there's no doubt in my mind we would've beaten IU and gone to
the Final 4 and maybe a 2nd Title.
Glad I could clarify things for you guys.
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.204 | clarification? | CNTROL::CHILDS | In Bubby we Trust | Thu Jan 04 1990 11:09 | 10 |
|
Chris, small nit but if Worthy left in 82 as a junior, how could he
have played on the 84 team? Also if the team was superior to IU and
one of the best ever, shouldn't a good coach have been able to overcome
and adjust the loss of his point guard? I realize that in college
b-ball the point is the most demanding posistion and can make or
break a club, but man if it was a me I'd have just put the ball in
Michael's hands and let the chips falls as they may.....
mike
|
| 8.205 | you figure it | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Thu Jan 04 1990 11:32 | 9 |
| Anyone looking to poke holes in the alleged greatest program ever - the
UNC-Chapel Hill Tar Heels - need look no furhter than the 1983 through
1988 Tar Heels. At one point, these included a teams with Sam Perkins,
Michael Jordan, Brad Daugherty, Kenny Smith, and Joe Wolf: a pack of NBA
number 1s if I've ever seen one. Of course, to put it into perspective,
this team won 0 ACC titles. We all know how many National Titles they
got.
TTom
|
| 8.206 | More anti-Carolina propaganda from Haas"ee". ARGH! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Thu Jan 04 1990 11:46 | 19 |
| A great oversimplification TTom and you know it. These guys didn't
play together for the most part, so it's misleading to make the kind of
statement you're making. Perkins and Jordan both won a Title. Joe
Wolf was never a franchise player and has proven thus in the NBA. Brad
Daugherty and Kenny Smith won a heckuva lot of ball games for us during
their careers, though it's (painfully) true they never made it to a
Final 4. As to lack of an ACC Title, I believe you're talking ACC
"TOURNAMENT" Title, no? I believe if you check your record books
you'll find that they won more ACC games during their careers than any
of their conference conterparts.
As to this whole talent thing you'd think we'd cornered the market or
something. NOT TRUE. There were PLEEENNNNNTTTTTYYYYYY of talented
teams around during the years mentioned. We were one of them, but by
no means did we have a clear advantage over other teams in the country
or even in the ACC.
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.207 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Don't go back to college, stay | Thu Jan 04 1990 12:37 | 22 |
| Went to the Sonics-Jazz game last night, Jazz won. First time seeing
the Jazz in person.
Observations:
Mark Eaton is flat out HUGE. No doubt about it. Un blanking
believable. Funniest moment - on a switch, Eaton picks up 5'10"
Avery Johnson - being outspeeded, Eaton does the only thing possible
- lays down on Johnson. Second funny moment - X-Man driving the
lane, and getting engulfed by Eaton - he just disappeared. Third
funny moment, X-Man drives the lane - full speed, Eaton comes in
for the block - X drops the shoulder and goes full bore into Eaton
to draw the foul - Eaton stays right where he is - X-Man bounces
off and ends up in the seats (almost) - looked like a Yugo hitting
a brick wall!
Karl Malone can darn play - but he did get some very, very questionable
calls - he also lost his cool with the fans - gesturing at them.
Stockton looks like he's 16. I thought he was the ball boy.
JD
|
| 8.208 | Spurs still on top | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Jan 04 1990 12:43 | 3 |
| The San Antonio Spurs will equal last season's win total with one more
win. They have now won 12 in a row at home after defeating the '76ers
last night at HemisFair Arena.
|
| 8.209 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Thu Jan 04 1990 13:01 | 61 |
| JD, you didn't mention Seattle's rebounding. First they outrebounded the
fine-rebounding Jazz 54-35. But most impressively, 29! of the 54 rebounds were
off the offensive glass. 10 of Cage's 19 were offensive, 8 of Ellis' 11 were,
and X had 5 offensive out of his 6.
What happened to the Jazz on defense?
j.
SEATTLE JAN3
UTAH (119) AT SEATTLE (108)
UTAH
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
EDWARDS F 26 7-13 1-3 0 1 1 4 5 0 1 15
MALONE F 38 10-16 16-18 2 9 11 2 5 0 2 36
EATON C 28 2-5 3-4 4 6 10 0 5 0 0 7
STOCKTON G 37 4-8 7-9 0 1 1 11 5 4 5 16
HANSEN G 32 0-3 0-0 0 2 2 4 1 0 0 0
RUDD 11 3-4 3-3 0 1 1 3 0 1 2 9
BAILEY 34 7-11 8-9 2 2 4 1 1 0 1 22
GRIFFITH 16 4-11 0-0 2 1 3 0 2 0 0 8
BROWN 18 2-3 2-3 0 2 2 2 2 2 0 6
TOTALS 240 39-74 40-49 10 25 35 27 26 7 11 119
(.527) (.816) TEAM REBS: 16
SEATTLE
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
MCDANIEL F 32 7-18 11-14 5 1 6 1 5 1 1 25
MCKEY F 39 5-9 1-2 2 9 11 1 5 2 2 11
CAGE C 39 8-17 1-1 10 9 19 4 5 1 2 17
ELLIS G 38 10-23 3-6 8 3 11 3 3 0 1 23
JOHNSON G 35 3-7 3-4 0 0 0 8 4 3 0 9
THREATT 18 4-11 1-1 1 0 1 1 3 1 1 9
KEMP 6 1-2 2-2 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 4
MCMILLAN 10 0-2 0-0 1 0 1 2 1 1 0 0
BARROS 12 3-8 2-2 0 0 0 1 1 1 2 8
POLYNICE 11 1-4 0-0 1 3 4 0 5 0 0 2
TOTALS 240 42-101 24-32 29 25 54 21 33 10 9 108
(.416) (.750) TEAM REBS: 9
UTAH 23 28 31 37 - 119
SEATTLE 25 22 28 33 - 108
BLOCKED SHOTS: UTH - EATON 3, MALONE, STOCKTON, BAILEY. SEA - MCKEY,
CAGE.
3-PT. FIELD GOALS: UTH 1-2 (.500), STOCKTON 1-1,
HANSEN 0-1. SEA 0-6 (.000), MCDANIEL 0-1, MCKEY 0-1, ELLIS 0-1,
THREATT 0-1, BARROS 0-2.
TECHNICALS: SEA -- ELLIS. UTH -- HANSEN.
OFFICIALS: MIDDLETON, ED RUSH, COSTABILE.
A - 12,314.
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| 8.210 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | No TV? I surrender!! | Thu Jan 04 1990 13:04 | 4 |
| I see where the Knickbockers are on Teddy's station 4 or 5 times
this month. TNT := The kNicks Television.
/Don
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| 8.211 | Knicks vs Hawks tonight | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Trying to forget your generation. | Thu Jan 04 1990 13:22 | 5 |
| They're on TBS tonight against the Hawks. Also, for you Nets fans,
they're on WOR on Saturday night. I forget who they're playing. Just
the idea of the Nets on TV is pretty funny though.
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| 8.212 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Don't go back to college, stay | Thu Jan 04 1990 15:44 | 26 |
| Jeff,
Part of the rebounding was that Seattle missed a ton of easy inside
shots, and they matched Cage on Malone, Mckey or Mcdaniel on Eaton.
Some MONUMENTAL rebounding battles between Cage and Malone. I also
forgot funny moment #4 with Eaton - he simply pushed McDaniel off
the court, knocking him down with one arm, going for a rebound.
Eaton seemed to be in an ornery mood.
Ellis had some impressive rebounds, but the Sonics really blew in
usual fashion - 1: They missed crucial foul shots down the stretch
- X missed 3 of 6 down the stretch. 2: X-man, after scoring 12
in the first quarter, picks up 3 quick fouls, and the Sonics lose
a crucial offensive player. 3: Dale Ellis is cold early - and
with X out, the Sonics have virtually no offensive weapons. Bernie
goes with a 3 guard rotation, with Cage and Mckey, supplemented
by Polynice and Kemp, while Sloan counters with Bailey, Malone,
brown, and Eaton. Jazz go on a run. 4: After whittling down the
lead to 3, X and/or Ellis turn into one man players, shooting as
soon as they get the ball, missing, and the Jazz going on a run.
A fairly enjoyable game, despite the guy behind me who said something
like "WHAT AN INCREDIABLE PASS/SHOT/DRIBBLE/MOVE..." after every
single play.
JD
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| 8.213 | Lets go Nets! | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | I flushed MrT! | Thu Jan 04 1990 16:14 | 11 |
| >Also, for you Nets fans,
>they're on WOR on Saturday night.
Break out the beer and pretzels. First regularly televised Nets game since
they '83 playoffs, I think. Oh well, I'll tape it and watch it for posterity.
>the idea of the Nets on TV is pretty funny though.
Watch it.
Dan
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| 8.214 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Go Giants | Thu Jan 04 1990 16:23 | 7 |
| 8.215 | | VIA::NORI | | Thu Jan 04 1990 17:19 | 19 |
| Worthy Vs Bird over the last three games
MIN FG-A FT-A R A P BK ST TO PO 3PTS
Worthy 35 6-12 3-3 13 4 0 1 1 4 15 0-0
33 15-24 4-5 12 5 3 1 0 0 34 0-0
40 9-15 0-0 5 4 5 3 1 1 19 1-1
Total 108 30-51 7-8 30 13 8 5 2 5 68 1-1
Bird 36 9-19 0-0 9 9 1 0 2 3 20 2-6
40 4-11 1-1 9 7 1 0 0 7 9 0-2
49 14-31 7-7 11 10 1 0 2 3 37 2-4
Total 125 27-61 8-8 29 26 3 0 4 13 66 4-12
-- Ram Nori
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| 8.216 | Use the VCR | REFINE::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Thu Jan 04 1990 20:28 | 10 |
| I didn't even bother /Don, and I like one of the teams. I taped
it and watched in the next day. Great to fast forward as soon as
you see the ball go thru the hoop or a shooting foul until the
ball gets to half court...
I noticed in the last 3 Piston games I've been able to see, that there
has been nothing resembling an altercation... wonder if there's a
reason... no, never mind, I won't even start....
-Walt
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| 8.217 | Lakers in Phoenix next week! | PNO::HEISER | It's a BOY!!! | Thu Jan 04 1990 23:28 | 4 |
| I see the Jazz lost to the Warriors again. Looks like they have owned the
Jazz since last year's playoffs.
Mike
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| 8.218 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Fri Jan 05 1990 10:12 | 3 |
| Hey /Don or Dan, heard anything about getting TNT on Cablevision
yet?
denny
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| 8.219 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Go Giants | Fri Jan 05 1990 10:25 | 4 |
| Hey Denny, just tune in channel 9 (formerly WWOR). That's the
TNT station, if your still living in Leominister that is.
/Don
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| 8.220 | I get less than last year. Aren't I lucky? Cablevision sucks! | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Some folks trust in reason | Fri Jan 05 1990 15:24 | 11 |
| > Hey /Don or Dan, heard anything about getting TNT on Cablevision
> yet?
Yeah, I realized it last night as I drove home. I can't see the Nets this
Saturday. The bastards took WWOR off my cable on Jan 1 and put in
TNT. What's so bad about that, you say? Well, besides missing a few Mets
games, WWOR broadcasts about 80 Mets games over the summer. So,
I get the same basketball games that I got last year anyway (on TBS)
but now no Mets. Boo!
Dan
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| 8.221 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Bills fold in the Dawg pound | Fri Jan 05 1990 15:26 | 5 |
| Dan, it's about time you saw the light. I knew you were a closet
National Leaguer and preferred the Mets over the Yankees. CONGRATS!
And there will be a plethora of baseball games on ESPN.
/Don
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| 8.222 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Fri Jan 05 1990 15:48 | 2 |
| ...unless Cablevision pulls the plug on ESPN!
Denny
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| 8.224 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Weenie is a plagerist!! | Fri Jan 05 1990 15:52 | 4 |
| I read where Cablevision and ESPN reached an agreement keeping
ESPN on Cableviion's stations.
/Don
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| 8.225 | Hornets beat Pacers for 7 | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Mon Jan 08 1990 14:06 | 15 |
| Charlotte improved to the best team with 7 wins with their win over
Indiana saturday, 117-111. At the end Versace did his Stuart Gray
imitation over a questionable call that gave Armon Gilliam a 3-pt play
with a 2 point lead in the last minute, when offensive charging could
have been easily called - or nothing.
The 7 winners:
Charlotte 7 21
Sacramento 7 22
Minnesota 7 25
Miami 7 26
FWIW, Orlanda is 9-23.
TTom
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| 8.226 | | PNO::HEISER | It's a BOY!!! | Mon Jan 08 1990 14:19 | 5 |
| I saw a clip recently where Kelly Tripucka was crying about something.
What was the deal on that Tom?
Mike
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| 8.227 | I'm no TTom, but I play one in notes | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Go 49ers! | Mon Jan 08 1990 14:38 | 7 |
| MikeH, it happened after the Hornets won a game and Tripuka
was named player of the game. He came out for the interview and
started going on about how the fans shouldn't boo him and the team,
and how they're trying so hard, etc, etc, etc. He started to cry
(for dramatic affect). The whole wussy scene made me sick.
/Don
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| 8.228 | good time, bad times | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Mon Jan 08 1990 14:46 | 22 |
| Right you are /Don,
Kelly was shooting in the cool 30%s and it got so bad that many of the
Hornets faithful weren't too pleased with paying him 1M+ and watching the
clankers on the offensive end and no effort in any other phase. So he was
benched which deprived the crowd of one of its new things to do, which
was boo Kelly when he was introduced with the starting lineup. So Harter
put him on the bench and he comes off to score 25, which lead to the
Player of the Game interview (which happens after every game) and the
memorable sobathon.
I rushed home from the game to get it on tape. I have about 17 minutes of
it from ESPN and every local TV station. In terms of highpoints, this has
to be either the most comical or the most disgusting (maybe both) in the
history of the franchise.
In any case, Kelly has fallen in status. He was notably on the pine when
the Hornets hung on to beat the Pacers over the weekend. In fairness to
Kelly, he has been hustling a whole lot more. But of course when you
ain't doin it at all, it ain't too hard to get better.
TTom
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| 8.229 | | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Mon Jan 08 1990 14:51 | 14 |
|
Believe it or not it looks like Detroit is finally coming back
and playing like NBA champions. They are without a doubt in the
toughest division in the NBA (comparative to the AFC Central :).
I found it hard to believe that they were not at least in close
contention for first place until their streak started 5 games ago.
I look forward to the Chicago-Detroit game to measure how much Chicago
has improved or Detroit has disproved since their conference
championship meeting last year. Is part of the problem with Detroit
that they are not *hungry* (similar to the NY Giants after their
SB victory)???
sean_who_likes_chicago_and_HATES_detroit_:)
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| 8.230 | Vlade Divac: 21 points, 14 boards | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Trying to forget your generation. | Mon Jan 08 1990 15:23 | 9 |
| That Tripucka scene was a disgrace. There's no place for that kind of
sick behavior in the NBA. I couldn't believe what I was seeing when
they showed it on ESPN the night after the game. That was just
pitiful. The funny thing was that most of the fans had already left
the arena, and the ones that were left started cheering the guy when
they heard him balling his eyes out. He was almost as bad as Danny
Ainge on any given night.
Laker_Ken
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| 8.231 | | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Mon Jan 08 1990 15:35 | 3 |
| Laker_ken,
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| 8.232 | | PNO::HEISER | It's a BOY!!! | Mon Jan 08 1990 16:06 | 4 |
| The Phoenix Suns are having a barbecue tomorrow night and you are all
invited. The main course will the the LA Lakers :-)
Mike
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| 8.233 | | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Mon Jan 08 1990 16:08 | 1 |
| is that before or after the lakers win?
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| 8.234 | | LACV01::PETRIE | _serious_ Scott Haffner fever | Mon Jan 08 1990 18:35 | 3 |
| Can I bring some pals to Heat up the party?
Kath
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| 8.235 | | REFINE::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Mon Jan 08 1990 19:29 | 5 |
| The Pistons were there all along, 3 games in that division isn't
much. I think they needed time to get the rotation together.
Starting Edwards instead of Salley seems to help, as does adding
Bedford and G. Henderson to the regular rotation. I think losing
to the Clippers out there shook them up.
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| 8.236 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Jan 08 1990 19:41 | 4 |
| Kelvin Upshaw signed a 10 day contract with the Dallas Mavericks.
- I thought he was still with the Celts
Motta takes over the reigns in Sacremento.
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| 8.237 | | PNO::HEISER | It's a BOY!!! | Mon Jan 08 1990 19:43 | 7 |
| There's a few DECcies out here from back east for DECtech. They're
planning on getting tickets for tomorrow night's Suns-LA game.
They want to see LA get their clocks cleaned!
Mike
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| 8.238 | | REFINE::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Mon Jan 08 1990 19:54 | 3 |
| I thought Upshaw was gone when Bagley got activated.
John Long is now with the Hawks... (Battle is out)
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| 8.239 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | I'm sent here by the chosen one | Mon Jan 08 1990 20:01 | 9 |
| 'Missed ya Heiser, you've been pretty quiet as of late. I guess you
know the Suns sip.
Welcome back and God bless,
Your friend the devil dog.
p.s. At that Bar-b-que they are gonna serve you crow.
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| 8.240 | | PNO::HEISER | It's a BOY!!! | Tue Jan 09 1990 11:59 | 4 |
| 8.241 | TNT, finally! | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Wed Jan 10 1990 15:05 | 3 |
| Suns-Lakers is on TNT tonight at 8:00. What do ya think Dan?
Myself, I'd gladly give up the Mets for good basketball.
Denny
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| 8.242 | Early start so they can go to the bbq afterwards? | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Trying to forget your generation. | Wed Jan 10 1990 15:25 | 4 |
| How come it's at 8 eastern time? Those teams aren't used to playing at
5 o'clock. That's ridiculous; it should start at 10:30 eastern time.
Laker_Ken
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| 8.243 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Go 49ers! | Wed Jan 10 1990 15:26 | 5 |
| I would give up the Mets for another shopping channel Denny!
I think the Lakers will *win this game. I heard Connie Hawkins
will not suit up for the Suns.
/Don
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| 8.244 | where is this game being played? | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Wed Jan 10 1990 15:28 | 0 |
| 8.245 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Wed Jan 10 1990 15:33 | 5 |
|
The Lakers-Suns game is in Phoenix, and starts 6 P.M. local time...
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| 8.246 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Wed Jan 10 1990 15:50 | 4 |
| I agree /Don, they have a spot for a new shoppin' channel too.
What do we have, FIVE of em now? And 2 of em have the same garbage
for sale.
Denny
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| 8.247 | Hawks sign Mathews to 10-day contract ... | CSC32::A_PARRACO | Fight On for USC, Beat Michigan | Wed Jan 10 1990 16:20 | 6 |
|
RE: .238
The Hawks signed Wes Mathews (ex-Laker, et al) to a 10-day contract.
- The Doctor
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| 8.248 | | PNO::HEISER | Bo DOES know Diddley! Film @ 11! | Wed Jan 10 1990 17:55 | 12 |
| The Lakers are the BBQ! This is the first meeting in Phoenix this
season. Suns have to dish out paybacks for the 2 losses in the Forum
earlier in the season.
Suns have won 5 of last 7. 4 of those 7 were on the road, including a
mopping of the Knicks in MSG. They seem like they're on the road to
recovery, but aren't quite there. They let Saturday's game against
Seattle get away.
Tonight could be the turning point!
Mike
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| 8.249 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Jan 10 1990 18:01 | 6 |
| The Orlando Magic are playing the giant killer so far this season.
They haven't won many games, but they have beaten some of the top teams
in the NBA. The team with the second best record in the league fell
victim to them last night as the San Antonio Spurs lost to the Magic
in Orlando. The Magic have also defeated the Lakers and the Pistons
this season.
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| 8.250 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A hard rain is gonna fall | Wed Jan 10 1990 18:12 | 6 |
| Mike,
If the Suns that lost to the Sonics Saturday show up, you better
cancel the BBQ.
JD
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| 8.251 | Da Lakers wuz robbed lasted night! | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | A soft rain is gonna trickle | Wed Jan 10 1990 09:32 | 1 |
|
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| 8.252 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Wed Jan 10 1990 09:32 | 2 |
| Break out the *s!
Denny
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| 8.253 | | JUPITR::PARTEE | Charlie -- Lemieux est le mieux | Wed Jan 10 1990 09:37 | 14 |
|
Read in the Globe this morning that negotiations are underway
for a one-on-one game between Magic and Michael. Bird was
invited, but declined. The format proposed is for two 15-minute
periods.
Trash TV, but I'd pay to see it...
Charlie
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| 8.254 | Mike'll kill him | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Wed Jan 10 1990 09:56 | 4 |
| Thing is Charlie that this thing will be on PPV. I guess they'll
have the suckers lined up for this one too. Supposed to be $25+
a pop!
Denny
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| 8.255 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | The Few,TheProud,TheAntiDonks | Wed Jan 10 1990 10:11 | 9 |
| The Magic/Michael one on one match is signed for late June and
is to be played in Las Vegas. Some of the proceeds are going to
charity. Michael has been installed as an 8-5 favorite. This will
be another PPV bust, like last night's Boston Bruins exhibition
game against the Moscow Dynamo and next Monday's "Geezers at the
Ceasers". The only bright thing is these fiascos could herald the
end of PPV, or at least halt their popularity.
/Don
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| 8.256 | I like to see Barkley against Malone (karl)..... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Broncos&Elway#1inmybook | Wed Jan 10 1990 10:41 | 7 |
|
love that p-name Slasher....well I'll definately watch it. I won't
pay for it but I'll watch it. ;^)
anybody want the underdog??? ;^)
MIKE
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| 8.257 | | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Wed Jan 10 1990 11:16 | 10 |
|
Lakers were robbed. Magic fouled Hornacek? The ref *never*
should have called it. DC even noted that there was *no way* Hornacek
could have gotten the ball. Cost LA the game.
Elsewhere, how about that Celtics game? Best 2nd quarter I've
seen in a *long* time. Is it true that they play Detroit next?
Then San Antonio? ouch! :)
sean
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| 8.258 | REFS rob L.A. Phoenix *wins. | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | The Few,TheProud,TheAntiDonks | Wed Jan 10 1990 11:22 | 1 |
|
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| 8.259 | Already have one for lasted night | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Wed Jan 10 1990 11:38 | 3 |
| If Bird doesn't play tonight do we git to put one of them * thingies
next to the game?
Denny
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| 8.261 | | TACKLE::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Wed Jan 10 1990 15:20 | 5 |
| hey, that note got thrashed.... anyways what i said was bird wil
be out for the detroit and s.a. game and should be back for the
one after that (miami)?
sean
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| 8.262 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Elway&BroncosAre#1 | Wed Jan 10 1990 15:24 | 4 |
| Boston will win and cover tonight vs. Detriot (Tm) and the Lakers
will take out their frustration for last night's *loss on Orlando.
/Don
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| 8.263 | Give Orlando the *! | SASE::SZABO | Elway&BroncosAre#1 | Wed Jan 10 1990 15:26 | 1 |
|
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| 8.264 | poor Orlando | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Wed Jan 10 1990 15:29 | 0 |
| 8.265 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A hard rain is gonna fall | Wed Jan 10 1990 15:49 | 6 |
| Orland really cost the Lakers any chance at winning in OT last night
with his ill-advised goal-tending call. Stupid. Stupid.
Great show by the Johnsons.
JD
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| 8.266 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Wed Jan 10 1990 15:58 | 3 |
| re: JD's p-name
Little wet up there eh JD?
Denny ;^)
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| 8.267 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | 49ers Repeat Performance | Wed Jan 10 1990 16:00 | 4 |
| The Lakers have to be regretting letting Campbell go and protecting
Woolridge. With Campbell they would be looking like a lock.
/Don
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| 8.268 | Western conference all star voting | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Wed Jan 10 1990 16:36 | 73 |
| Path: shlump.nac.dec.com!decwrl!sun-barr!apple!usc!cs.utexas.edu!rice!titan!scorpion
From: scorpion@titan.rice.edu (Vernon Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Western Conference All-Star Voting
Summary: numbers
Message-ID: <4205@brazos.Rice.edu>
Date: 10 Jan 90 17:09:03 GMT
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Here are the vote tallies from the Houston Chronicle on 1/10/90:
Centers:
Akeem Olajuwon Houston 41,162
David Robinson San Antonio 23,228
J.R. Reid Charlotte 11.957
Mark Eaton Utah 11,310
Steve Johnson Minnesota 11,299
Kevin Duckworth Portland 11,093
Mychal Thompson Lakers 9,255
Manute Bol Golden State 8,619
Benoit Benjamin Clippers 8,502
Pervis Ellison Sacramento 5,555
Forwards:
James Worthy Lakers 39,249
Kelly Tripucka Charlotte 32,743
A.C. Green Lakers 24,314
Karl Malone Utah 22,797
Xavier McDaniel Seattle 15,800
Chris Mullin Golden State 13,817
Tom Chambers Phoenix 13,558
Terry Cummings San Antonio 12,459
Danny Manning Clippers 11,481
Adrian Dantley Dallas 11,219
Guards:
Magic Johnson Lakers 51,259
Derek Harper Dallas 24,066
Maurice Cheeks San Antonio 22,312
John Stockton Utah 20,347
Clyde Drexler Portland 17,498
Kevin Johnson Phoenix 15,416
Byron Scott Lakers 14,032
Willie Anderson San Antonio 13,107
Terry Porter Portland 12,928
Ro Blackman Dallas 12,383
By teams, just for fun (only includes top ten from each position):
Lakers 138,109
San Antonio 71,106
Utah 54,454
Dallas 47,668
Charlotte 44,700
Portland 41,519
Houston 41,162
Phoenix 28,974
Golden State 22,436
Clippers 19,983
Seattle 15,800
Minnesota 11,299
Sacramento 5,555
--
"November 11: BELIZEAN JEWELS SLIDE EXPERIENCE With Special Guest, Max,
the Crystal Skull!!! 5:30pm: Viewing and Touching of Max"
[Max will be available for questions after the Slide Experience]
-- Vernon Lee -- -- scorpion@rice.edu ------
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| 8.269 | J.R. Reid? Kelly Tripuka? What a farce! | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | 49ers Repeat Performance | Wed Jan 10 1990 16:38 | 1 |
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| 8.270 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Wed Jan 10 1990 16:39 | 1 |
| Yeah, Charlotte stuffed the ballot pretty good.
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| 8.271 | moved by moderator | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Jan 10 1990 16:53 | 50 |
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How's the BBQ taste Mike?
Denny
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Superb Denny! Just Superb!
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Mike, who got the Most Valuable * of the game award?
Hawk
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Did they have any 5-alarm chili at the Bar-B-Q?
CLANG! CLANG! CLANG! CLANG! CLANG!
-Dick
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funny how people are quick to flame the lakers and forget about
this all important stat:
Celtics - 33 Celtics - 78
Nets - 44 Halftime Nets - 87
6 pt 2nd quarter for boston. (5 is the lowest by any team).
boston shoots 28-70 from the field.
looks like the bbq was in nj, guys.
sean
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| 8.272 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | 49ers Repeat Performance | Wed Jan 10 1990 16:57 | 6 |
| Sean's right. The *Lakers wuz robbed last night!
/Don
* Shouldda been World Champions in 89 but for two tender
hamstrings.
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| 8.273 | | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Wed Jan 10 1990 17:01 | 13 |
| re: *
just think about this year though /Don
Lakers vs. SA for the West Conference Championship
then
Lakers vs. NY (the team you just looove to hate) for the
1990 World Championship!!!!
you just gotta love it :)
sean
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| 8.274 | Me & Slasher coulda scored 6 in the 2nd from our couches! | SASE::SZABO | Elway&BroncosAre#1 | Wed Jan 10 1990 17:04 | 8 |
| Maybe I should start living and breathing for sports again cause the
Lakers are obviously a way of life, like none other!
Go Magic! Go Lakers! Go Elway! Go Donks!
:-)
Hawk
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| 8.275 | | SASE::SZABO | Elway&BroncosAre#1 | Wed Jan 10 1990 17:06 | 1 |
| Have the Lakers ever played NY for the champeenship?
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| 8.276 | Lakers vs Knicks | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Wed Jan 10 1990 17:14 | 12 |
| The Lakers have played the Knicks 5 times for the NBA title and
have a 3-2 record. The Lakers beat the Knicks in 1952, 1953 and
1972. The Knicks beat the Lakers in 1970 and 1973. While the Lakers
have been in many NBA title series, the Knicks have only been in
one other time, losing to the Rochester Royals in either 1954 or
1955. In other words, 5 of the Knicks' 6 NBA title series have
been against the Lakers - be they the Minneapolis Lakers in 1952
and 1953, or the Los Angeles Lakers (an oxymoron surpassed only
by the Utah Jazz) in the seventies.
John
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| 8.277 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Wed Jan 10 1990 20:22 | 9 |
|
6 points in the qtr.? Did Pinkney (sp?) turn his shorts around before
or after the 2nd qtr.?
For those that didn't hear, Pinkney (I just know that isn't the correct
spelling) had his shorts on backwards according to ESPN.
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| 8.278 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Thu Jan 11 1990 02:26 | 9 |
| Anyone know if it's possible to scalp tickets in Portland for the Blazers
games? I'm going to be there next Tuesday and the Nuggets are in town. I know
that Portland has sold out their last million or so games so I didn't even try
the box office.
Of course if there's anyone out that way that wants to give me a ticket, that
would be fine too ;^).
j.
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| 8.279 | Jihad smiling | CNTROL::CHILDS | Broncos&Elway#1inmybook | Thu Jan 11 1990 10:19 | 24 |
|
NEWSFLASH
Jihad members take cover as federal Detriot (tm) Judge Icky McSwain
plans to launch a federal probe into the goings on of the group.
Icky believes the Jihad quilty of game fixing charges.
With the sacred idol Larry Bird out with injuries, Icky contends it
was perfect timing for the Jihad to fix a few games without asking
the Master to tank it....
Seems said Celtics were underdogs on tuesday to the lowly Nets. Celtics
hot on the road recently were bet heavily by the betting public.
Celtics lost. Last night Celtics were 3 1/2 point favorites over the
defending World Champion Pistons who they soundly defeated without
Larry Bird playing covering the spread and again taking the betting
public for a ride.....
top Jihad Members the Green Dockers who were unavailable for comment
yesterday, but were seen leaving Peter Fuller's Caddillac dealership
in matching kelly green 1990 ELDorado Caddys yesterday.....
YKW
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| 8.280 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Denver - The Team of the 90's | Thu Jan 11 1990 10:39 | 3 |
| I called that game and the Lakers game Mike.
/NoS
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| 8.281 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Thu Jan 11 1990 11:28 | 19 |
|
RE: .279
I gotta agree, the Celtics have played some awfully strange games
this week, and some strangely awful ones, too. With Bird in street
clothes last night, I didn't think they had a ghost of a chance
against Detriot.
But with Reggie Lewis scoring 31, and with what I thought was a
poor shooting night on Detriot's part, the C's went home with a
104-97 win. The game was even closer than the score indicates,
as the Celts scored on a number of desperation fouls in the last
30 seconds or so.
Ah, it's always nice to knock off the World Champion* Pist-ons.
-Dick
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| 8.282 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A hard rain is gonna fall | Thu Jan 11 1990 12:31 | 16 |
| Jeff,.
Not coming up the road a piece, are ya?
I'd say you could probably scalp. If Portland is like Seattle,
their will be scalpers (believe it or not, the Sonics don't sell
out, and their are scalpers) - and you shouldn't have to worry bout
being taken for a ride, either. At least up here, the scalpers
are pretty lame (I never paid more than face value for Seahawks
tickets - and they sell out every game).
You just going out for the day? Is this business??
Nosey, ain't I :-)
JD
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| 8.283 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Thu Jan 11 1990 12:51 | 2 |
| Any late NBA scores from last night?
Denny
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| 8.284 | Would have been hard to keep him | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Trying to forget your generation. | Thu Jan 11 1990 13:03 | 15 |
| Re. .267
Campbell was an unrestricted free agent. The Lakers couldn't have
protected him. He wasn't part of the expansion draft. I'm sure they
would have loved to have kept him, but he knew that he would be a
starter on an expansion team -- Minnesota, whereas if he re-signed
with L.A., he would be coming off the bench. I think he also really
wanted to play for Musselman again. He had played for him in the CBA.
As for Woolridge, the Lakers have to be happy with his contributions
since coming of the IR. He's had a good number of 20+ games and is
taking some of the scoring pressure off Worthy. He had 18 last night
on 8 for 10 shooting.
Laker_Ken
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| 8.285 | NBA scores | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Thu Jan 11 1990 14:16 | 10 |
| >> Any late NBA scores from last night?
MILWAUKEE (116) AT CLEVELAND (100)
CHICAGO (113) AT INDIANA (120)
LA CLIPPERS (115) AT ATLANTA (109)
DETROIT (97) AT BOSTON (104)
NEW YORK (111) AT PHILADELPHIA (113)
DENVER (99) AT UTAH (130)
ORLANDO (106) AT LA LAKERS (121)
DALLAS (119) AT GOLDEN STATE (123)
|
| 8.286 | Clips on a roll | ANALYZ::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Thu Jan 11 1990 14:34 | 11 |
| >>>LA CLIPPERS (115) AT ATLANTA (109)
Another big win for the Clips. Before this road trip, they had'nt won
outside of LA. Now they have beaten Minnesota, Boston, and Atlanta +
an expansion team, I think. And lost to Detroit 80-84 and NY in OT by
1 point. Pretty impressive road trip.
Watch out, here come the Clippers. I only hope that the Lakers have as
good a road trip next week (or is it the week after?).
Sameer
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| 8.287 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A hard rain is gonna fall | Thu Jan 11 1990 14:39 | 7 |
| Sameer,
I'm amazed at the Clippers play. I saw them play at Seattle a few
weeks ago, and they were horrible. No team effort. Mucho turnovers.
They sure have turned it around on the road lately. Strange...
JD
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| 8.288 | Clips shear Hawks | CGVAX2::REEVE | | Thu Jan 11 1990 15:06 | 6 |
| re .287
Not too strange. Any team that added Danny Manning and Ron Harper to
their roster and gave up nothing would be a vastly improved team.
Chris
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| 8.289 | Ron the reasony | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Thu Jan 11 1990 15:16 | 3 |
| Clippers are looking good and it's Harper.
TTom
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| 8.290 | my thought | CNTROL::CHILDS | Broncos&Elway#1inmybook | Thu Jan 11 1990 15:20 | 12 |
|
Plus from watching the Celtics game against them, BB looked like he
was finally shugging off some of that excess weight he picked up
in Italy and also his head was into it.
I'd like to say he seemed quicker but everybody looks quicker against
the C's ;^)
C's a re making progress. got to trade for a guard, Larry's eye will
come back before it's over. Bank on it Dan!
mike
|
| 8.291 | When Benoit wants to play he can be awesome | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | J.R. Reid lock for NBA ROTY | Thu Jan 11 1990 15:27 | 1 |
|
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| 8.292 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Thu Jan 11 1990 17:13 | 8 |
| One of the big differences in the Clippers the last two weeks is that Danny
Manning is starting, playing 35+ minutes, and playing very well. Also, Charles
Smith has been very effective. Add to that the inspired play of Benjamin and
the super play of Harper and the fact that they are getting used to each other
as teammates and you've got quite a team. And they'll have Ken Norman on the
bench soon enough as he's day to day right now.
j.
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| 8.293 | and Charles Smith , too | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Thu Jan 11 1990 17:27 | 6 |
| Right you are with Charles Smith. Certainly he was the 1-2 punch with
Harper against the Hornets. It's good to see him and the rest of the team
develop. As for Manning, he scored the quietest 20 points I've ever seen.
But he's definitely running the court.
TTom
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| 8.294 | Dantley to go free agent | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Jan 11 1990 18:07 | 6 |
| Adrian Dantley and the Dallas Mavericks have agreed to tear up
Dantley's contract with regards to next season. This will allow Adrian
to become a free agent next year. Dallas would have paid Dantley $1.25
million next year. Dantley commented that this should help him get
over that greedy/selfish image. The matter is now before the
commisioner for approval.
|
| 8.295 | | NRADM::KING | FUR...the look that KILLS... | Fri Jan 12 1990 00:40 | 7 |
| Just caught wind of this little blurb....
Seems last night Knicks- 76ers game was not just a regular game...
Barkley (76ers) and Jackson (Knicks) had a little side bet goin.
Who ever made "The big play of the game" would get $500? from the
other. NBA got ahold of this and fined both of them $5,000 each...
REK
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| 8.296 | Bowie Kuhn,BettyBoop, David Stern | LUNER::BROOKS | If you think this was bad ... | Fri Jan 12 1990 12:09 | 5 |
| ... how stupid and scantimonious (sp) can David Stern be ?
If I was Barkley and Jackson, I'd fight it in court.
DrM
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| 8.297 | Stern = dumb!! | TOLKIN::FARLEY | Have YOU seen Elvis today?? | Fri Jan 12 1990 12:21 | 11 |
| DrM,
Agreed! Can't see how a little friendly wager between
friend (?) could affect the outcome of the game unless
it resulteed in "black holes".
Also, from a management perspective, wouldn't it
be a good motivational tool to improve performance?
Kev_OW(tm)
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| 8.298 | I smell a double standard | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Jan 12 1990 12:25 | 4 |
| I see. It's OK for Pete Rose to be banned from baseball for life for
betting on the horses (remember - betting on baseball hasn't been
proven), but it's not OK to fine two NBA players for betting on their
own performance during the game.
|
| 8.299 | Wiggins back | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Jan 12 1990 12:26 | 2 |
| Houston released Nevitt to make room for Wiggins. Wiggins just came of
the IR. Prior to getting hurt, he was the Rockets leading scorer.
|
| 8.300 | | PNO::HEISER | Bo knows Satriani?!? | Fri Jan 12 1990 13:15 | 4 |
| They weren't too bright for leaking the info about their bet to begin
with!
Mike
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| 8.301 | | CAM::WAY | And death shall have no dominion | Fri Jan 12 1990 13:50 | 6 |
| < Note 8.300 by PNO::HEISER "Bo knows Satriani?!?" >
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That would be SACRILEGE!!!!!!!!!!
|
| 8.302 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Denver - The Team of the 90's | Fri Jan 12 1990 14:55 | 4 |
| Actually when you see how both Barkley and Jackson performed
at the end of the game, maybe more NBA players should do it.
/Don
|
| 8.303 | they read a Dr. Seuss book after the game :-) | SASE::SZABO | Scratch 'n Sniff here | Fri Jan 12 1990 15:05 | 6 |
| >Actually when you see how both Barkley and Jackson performed
>at the end of the game, maybe more NBA players should do it.
What, learn to read? :-)
Hawk
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| 8.304 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Fri Jan 12 1990 16:18 | 11 |
| I don't believe Barkley and Jackson actually wagered. I think they were joking
about it and Stern reacted to that, not an actual bet. I can't say as I blame
him. I admire his stance on gambling. The integrity of the game is in
jeopardy.
On a lighter note, I was listening to Johnny Most the other night (try not to
take this down a Most rathole) and he says he played golf with Barkley and
really grew to like him. He found him funny, interesting, and I forget what
else but now he actually speaks highly of him.
j.
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| 8.305 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Denver - The Team of the 90's | Fri Jan 12 1990 16:23 | 6 |
| Jeff, a month or so ago, SPORT magazine had a Beers With column
about Charles. I guess you would have to say he doesn't know what
he's talking about because Charlkes said Kevin McHale was the best forward
in the league. 8^)
/Don
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| 8.306 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Broncos&Elway#1inmybook | Fri Jan 12 1990 17:50 | 6 |
|
wath it /Don, I might have to take you out to woodshed and straighten
you out there... Mchale is atleast the second best forward in the
league right Dock......
mike
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| 8.307 | | REFINE::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Fri Jan 12 1990 19:44 | 7 |
| Ok, I've been busy...
No comments on Weds. except, yo, Nazz... what happened to Laimbeer's
5th foul? How'd he go from 4 to 6 mysteriously... even Johnny Most
was surprised....
-Walt
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| 8.308 | It would be a dream match for oddsmakers | 33328::BMCWILLIAMS | Improvise if you have to ... | Sat Jan 13 1990 00:02 | 8 |
| Who would win the proposed One-on-One match-up between Mike Jordan and Magic
Johnson, to be played in Vegas? Read about it in the paper the other day. To be
played in Vegas, two 15-minute halves (loser's outs); winner takes $1M or so.
League and players' association are said to be against it.
I say Jordan would win. Too quick for Magic, baby skyhook notwithstanding.
Brian
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| 8.309 | | NRADM::KING | FUR...the look that KILLS... | Sat Jan 13 1990 22:17 | 6 |
| Last night after the Seattle Sonics game, Dale Ellis decided to
have some brewssss on the way home he tried to drive home, Bang,
crash... Collappse Lung, broken ribs.. out for at least 2 months.
Charged with DWI...
REK
|
| 8.310 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | The 49ers. A REPEAT performance. | Tue Jan 16 1990 10:09 | 1 |
| Madison Square Garden. The place where time stood still.
|
| 8.311 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Tue Jan 16 1990 10:41 | 2 |
| Amazing huh /Don! How'd the guy git away with it?
Denny
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| 8.312 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | The 49ers. A REPEAT performance. | Tue Jan 16 1990 10:53 | 9 |
| The ultimate of ironies Denny is that in Sunday's Globe they
had a section in MacMullan's column where the league said it takes
at least .3 of a second to get a shot off. I guess this was their
answer to the Harper basket that was nullified against the Celtics
a couple of weeks ago. I am curious to see how the league justifies
this one. About two seconds went by before the .1 of a second ticked
off the clock.
/Don
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| 8.313 | | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Tue Jan 16 1990 11:48 | 10 |
| Bulls get *robbed* again. With .1 seconds left (what can you
do in 1/10th of a second?) Tucker (NY) caught an inbounds pass,
squared himself with the basket and then jumped and released the
ball for a three pointer to win the game 109-106. The NBA ref
situation has reached an all time low. With all the new expansion
teams there are less "decent" refs out there. What a joke... Chicago
gets ripped off again. How many times does this make that they
have lost in the last SECOND? 5? 6?
sean
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| 8.314 | No fair! | ANALYZ::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Tue Jan 16 1990 12:12 | 13 |
| The Knicks have certainly been getting the calls at home. Against the
Clippers, Manning tipped the last shot in, but it was blocked on the
rim by a NY defender. Should have been a goal tending call. Now, with
0.1 secs left (remember, the league ruled that it takes atleast 0.3
secs to get a shot off after the Celts-Clippers game), and its called a
fair shot.
I can't believe the Bulls are'nt going to protest. This is
inconsitency at its worst.
Unbelievable
Sameer
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| 8.315 | Now we know why the Knicks have lost only 1 game at home. | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | The 49ers. A REPEAT performance. | Tue Jan 16 1990 13:21 | 1 |
|
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| 8.316 | | NRADM::KING | FUR...the look that KILLS... | Tue Jan 16 1990 14:05 | 3 |
| Any word on Mitch Richmond? I haven't seen his name in the boxscores..
REK
|
| 8.317 | Up to par...?? | ELTICO::JOSEFINO | | Tue Jan 16 1990 16:07 | 14 |
|
Re: .305 by AXIS::ROBICHAUD
>> Jeff, a month or so ago, SPORT magazine had a Beers With column
>> about Charles. I guess you would have to say he doesn't know what
>> he's talking about because Charlkes said Kevin McHale was the best forward
>> in the league. 8^)
Barkley accepted an invitation to McHale's charity gulf tourney next
summer. I gues that he is just trying to make some points... :-)
|
| 8.318 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Mister Dunkin' Donut | Tue Jan 16 1990 16:11 | 7 |
| It looks like the league and the NBA Players Association will
not sanction the Magic/Michael one on one show in Las Vegas. Something
about the league not wanting to sanction anything where gambling
is involved. Maybe they'll cancel the rest of the NBA schedule
if'n they ever find out that some people wager on these things.
/Don
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| 8.319 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Tue Jan 16 1990 16:35 | 3 |
| re:.318
Wanna Bet!
Denny
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| 8.320 | | PNO::HEISER | summertime all year round | Tue Jan 16 1990 17:58 | 5 |
| Re: Mitch Richmond
He scored 19 last night.
Mike
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| 8.321 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Tue Jan 16 1990 18:41 | 11 |
|
Re. Mitch Richmond
... According to USA Today, he missed the two previous games
due to a sore back....
JimH
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| 8.322 | the whinny crybaby rears his head | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hockey's Human Zamboni | Wed Jan 17 1990 12:19 | 18 |
|
The brooha on the one on one match was started bu Isiah Thomas the
president of the players union. He felt the league should not condone
it.
Michael's thoughts about Isiah : "I wonder what Isiah would say if it
was him against Magic? Then again if it was him against Magic no one
would pay to see it."
Seems Isiah can't handle Michael's fame at all from the freeze at the
all-star game to this....
hopefully the next time they play one another Rodman and Dumars have
the flu and Isiah gets to cover Michael and he torches him for 50 or
so.....
mike
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| 8.323 | | SASE::SZABO | Make /Don a rich man. Root Broncos! | Wed Jan 17 1990 12:35 | 7 |
| If what you say is true, Mike, then it sounds like there's "trouble in
paradise" between Isiah and Magic, no? I mean, why would he disturb
something that his (supposed) best friend is involved in?
I knew there'd be problems once Mark made it a menage a trois. :-)
Hawk
|
| 8.324 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Wed Jan 17 1990 12:42 | 3 |
| Does this mean Isiah and Magic won't be making love before the
jump anymore? Aren't they on CCCCBS Sunday?
Denny
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| 8.325 | Soap Opera Alert! | SASE::SZABO | Make /Don a rich man. Root Broncos! | Wed Jan 17 1990 12:43 | 1 |
|
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| 8.326 | Be there! | DEC25::MCFALL | I'm Doomed, now Bo knows Diddely too! | Wed Jan 17 1990 14:28 | 7 |
| Knicks at Spurs
Ewing vs. Robinson
When: Tonight - 8 PM Eastern
Where: TNT
Jim M
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| 8.327 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Jan 17 1990 20:11 | 4 |
| Should be a good one, Jim. The Spurs have been real tough at home.
They are also just getting over a very close loss to Cleveland. Ewing
kind of took Robinson to school last time, but Dave got his share of
buckets on Ewing as well.
|
| 8.328 | Ooo-ing (tm) | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Run to the Hills | Thu Jan 18 1990 14:50 | 6 |
| I watched part of the game and I'd say it was a draw. SA won, Ewing
(pronounced ooo-ing) scored a few more, and 'bounded a little better.
But Ooo-ing(tm) has Oakley to help the load on the boards.
Good game for the Spurs.
Raider_Rich
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| 8.329 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Jan 18 1990 16:37 | 10 |
| I didn't watch the game last night. Our TV was commandeered by our out
of town vistors. One of the local sportscasters last night stated that
over the next few years the Robinson/Ewing matchup may rival the
Russel/Chamberlain matchups. I think he may be getting ahead of
himself, but it does look like these two will make names for themselves
in the NBA.
Ewing won the scoring battle last night (27-20 I think). Robinson did
come up with a key steal of a pass to Ewing and stuffed one of Ewings
attempted jams late in the game to seal the victory for the Spurs.
|
| 8.330 | | SAGE::ROSS | Totally Hidden Noteo | Thu Jan 18 1990 16:59 | 3 |
| Ron Harper is supposedly out for the season with a major knee injury.
The Clipper dynasty continues.
|
| 8.331 | But improving... | WAV12::FINIZIOB | Yankees in 90' | Thu Jan 18 1990 17:04 | 7 |
|
Re: Ewing/Robinson
Still a level below Akeem
|
| 8.332 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | R.Nixon,M.Noriega,D.Schneider | Thu Jan 18 1990 17:23 | 5 |
| The Clippers team is definitely snakebitten. For the first
time in their history it looked like they got the better out of
a deal with someone, then this happens.
/Don
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| 8.333 | Too bad | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Some folks trust in reason | Thu Jan 18 1990 17:24 | 11 |
| They showed the Harper injury on CNN Sports Tonight. What an ugly injury!
He planted his foot and was about to spring off it for a breakaway jam when
you just saw the knee give way and bend laterally (sideways as opposed to
the usual front and back).
I really feel for Harper and the Clippers. The Clipper organization must
be stunned at the moment. They were really becoming competitive
after a long time in the hole. They must be wondering what disaster can
happen next?
Dan
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| 8.334 | | REFINE::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Thu Jan 18 1990 20:14 | 6 |
| Re: Thomas-Jordan
I heard Isiah said something like he's more interested that his team
keeps winning than what he does individually. Sounds like his head's
on straight. Is he supposed to bend the rules because it's Magic?
I think not...
|
| 8.335 | Isiah's just a prince... | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Some folks trust in reason | Thu Jan 18 1990 21:05 | 24 |
| >I heard Isiah said something like he's more interested that his team
>keeps winning than what he does individually.
Since when is playing one-on-one during the off season a slight to the team
concept? Your juxtaposition of the irrelevant Thomas quote seems to indicate
that you think that if Magic and Jordan played a game of one-on-one during
the offseason, they are somehow non-team oriented players whose heads
aren't "on straight".
>Is he supposed to bend the rules because it's Magic?
>I think not...
There were no rules to bend. What seems apparent is that Isiah is miffed
that no one invited him, and has basically said, "If I can't play, I'm taking the
ball home with me."
I think a Magic/Jordan game is a very marketable commodity which should
stir considerable interest. I wouldn't pay $20 to see it, but I'd make an attempt
to see it anyway.
The only concern I'd have over it is if either one were injured so it would
effect the following season.
Dan
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| 8.336 | takeover time | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hockey's Human Zamboni | Fri Jan 19 1990 10:50 | 9 |
|
Dan's right Walt, you're taking thing out of context here. Especially
when the leftover proceeds were targeted for charity. Nobody ever
questions if Isiah is a team ballplayer until the fourth quarter
of a tight game...
;^)
mike
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| 8.337 | | SASE::SZABO | Shake those honeybuns! | Fri Jan 19 1990 11:01 | 5 |
| Dan, since you "wouldn't pay $20, but would make an attempt to see it,"
would you be bringing your own beers or sponging off some nice guy like
me? :-)
Hawk a real nice guy......
|
| 8.338 | | SONG::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Fri Jan 19 1990 14:37 | 11 |
| Wait, this wasn't my quote, this was his quote in response to Jordan's
comment. I think his point was, he wasn't really interested in what
Magic or Jordan said about him, he was more concerned about the season
at hand.
There's a part of the agreement that the players ass'n gets a piece
of any licensing or NBA activities. So he's being a pain. My point
is it's in the rules, they all have to live with it. At least that's
my understanding of it. Is this not the case?
-Walt
|
| 8.339 | Hornets win 1st on the road | AUNTB::HAAS | Thanks for pouring the gas | Fri Jan 19 1990 14:58 | 5 |
| The drought is over. Hornets win on the road, at Denver, 110-108.
Tripucka and Dell Curry scored in the final minute to hand on. Charlotte
had lost 17 straight this year on the road.
TTom
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| 8.340 | sorry bout that | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hockey's Human Zamboni | Fri Jan 19 1990 15:12 | 17 |
|
Geez Walt, you should have put that disclaimer in the first note. Could
have save us the trouble of hearing Dan wax on poetically about the
situation.. ;^)
While I agree in priciple with Isiah, that something should go to the
player association, the majority should go to Charity and they really
should involve a few more players. More players and less of a payoff( do
they really need another million bucks apiece) would give the fans who
pay the 20 bucks more for their bucks and probably draw a lot more fans
to it.....
Like I said Barkley against Malone, Isiah against Price, Bird against
Worthy (just for us Dan) The Wilkins bros. against one another on and
on.....
mike
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| 8.341 | No. 1 Philly-Transplanted Hornets Fan | SHALOT::HUNT | Thirtysomething Mutant Ninja Daddy | Fri Jan 19 1990 15:14 | 7 |
| Alright, way to go Charlotte Hornets. About time *WE* got that
road monkey off *OUR* backs.
Sorry guys, I'm still practicing. This is going to take some
getting used to.
Bob Hunt
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| 8.342 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Fri Jan 19 1990 15:47 | 9 |
|
Mike,
I don't think you would want to see a one on one between Worthy and
Bird. Worthy would run circles around him. Bird's only chance would
have to be getting real hot from 3-point land. Three years ago, it
might have been close.
HOOT
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| 8.343 | Go Hornets! What a team! | SASE::SZABO | just an excitable boy | Fri Jan 19 1990 15:59 | 5 |
| re: .341
Excellent note Bob, as usual....... :-)
Hawk
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| 8.344 | Sure, is your couch comfy? | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Some folks trust in reason | Fri Jan 19 1990 16:40 | 7 |
| > Dan, since you "wouldn't pay $20, but would make an attempt to see it,"
> would you be bringing your own beers or sponging off some nice guy like
> me? :-)
Have beer. Will travel!
Dan
|
| 8.345 | Manning vs Pippen? | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hockey's Human Zamboni | Fri Jan 19 1990 16:43 | 9 |
|
I don't know Hoot. Three years ago Bird would have destroyed him now
as you say maybe Jimmy's quickness would be the difference. Still
though Bird does know how to use both hands and would have more muscle
for the boards. I think it would be interesting. Again though three
years ago I would have given Worthy as much chane as I give Denver now,
today it's a pick em between the two....
mike
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| 8.346 | How about a series? Isiah can play Kevin Johnson. Bird can play Greg Kite. | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Some folks trust in reason | Fri Jan 19 1990 16:43 | 11 |
| >There's a part of the agreement that the players ass'n gets a piece
>of any licensing or NBA activities. So he's being a pain. My point
>is it's in the rules, they all have to live with it. At least that's
>my understanding of it. Is this not the case?
Walt, if it wasn't Isiah, you'd have read between the lines by now. He's
being petty and using his "office" to make some weak decision. There's
no rules about this, they just need approval, which should be automatic.
But isiah wasn't invited...
Dan
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| 8.347 | Waddaya mean, "save us the trouble of hearing Dan..."??? | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Some folks trust in reason | Fri Jan 19 1990 16:46 | 11 |
| >should involve a few more players. More players and less of a payoff( do
>they really need another million bucks apiece) would give the fans who
>pay the 20 bucks more for their bucks and probably draw a lot more fans
>to it.....
As I said, I liked the idea of the series, but face it, Magic vs. Jordan is
the headline act and deserves the lion's share of the money. The million
bucks would sure get the juices flowing. I think it would be one of the
great junk events of all time.
Dan
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| 8.348 | 1-900-call muggsy! | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Jan 19 1990 17:19 | 5 |
| Well, we are now deep into basketball season and the baseball news
has dried up for awhile. The Jose Canseco hotline may not be giving
you what you need/want to know. Never fear, there is a new 900 number
available to take care of this. Now any sportsfan in America can call
up Muggsy Bougues!!!!!
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| 8.349 | | PNO::HEISER | Zamfir don't know Diddley | Fri Jan 19 1990 18:20 | 7 |
| Great win by the Hornets!! I think that is only Denver's 3rd loss at
home. McNichols isn't the easiest place to win a game.
Other side of the coin: Even though it is the Nuggetts 3rd loss at
home, they've had 2 of them within the last week.
Mike
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| 8.350 | Isiah Should Be Suspended | VIA::NORI | | Mon Jan 22 1990 10:09 | 16 |
| Lakers beat the Pistons 107-97. It was pretty much one sided Physical
game, need I say who was playing a Physical game ? These Pistons would
do anything to win a game. Now I strongly believe these guys are coached
to play dirty by Daley. Playing hard is different from playing dirty.
The way Daley problay works is to let one of his player pick up a fight
with a better player from the other team and get him ejected. There were
at least three times when Rodman tried to pick up a fight with Worthy.
Did you all see Isiah pummeling Thompson ? Unfortunatley according NBA
rules one can not defend himself. I think Isiah should be suspened for
couple of weeks without pay for his on court behaviour. In the game
against 76ers he shoved Mahorn with an open hand. I think Isiah is
getting away easy.
BTW Golden State Warriors beat the Celts in the Garden 120-115.
-- Ram Nori
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| 8.351 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Mon Jan 22 1990 10:27 | 4 |
| And how about that thug Magic pushing Laimbrain off the court
and then Bill coming back at him? The REF obviously saw the first
push by Johnson or he would have tossed Billy.
Denny
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| 8.352 | Isiah Thomas = NO CLASS ! | CSC32::A_PARRACO | Dancing Madly Backwards | Mon Jan 22 1990 10:47 | 20 |
|
RE: 8.351 ........
" ... that thug Magic ... "
Earvin Johnson a "thug" ? These terms are mutually exclusive !!!
The Pistons definitely turned the NBA into Tag Team Wrestling
yesterday, and Isiah showed his true colors - a classless, spoiled,
self-indulgent little rodent ! Also classic Aguirre, being wheeled
off on a stretcher (especially when the Pistons are losing, and he's
been eaten alive by Worthy !) ...
No wonder MJ can't stand Isiah anymore (and it's not because Aguirre's
now his prime squeeze/butt buddy !).
- The Doctor
P.S. "Hey Orlando, I told you NEVER to put the ball on the floor !!!!!!"
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| 8.353 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | The 49ers. A REPEAT performance. | Mon Jan 22 1990 12:11 | 8 |
| No doubt about it that Agguire was faking it because Worthy
was torching him! Even the paramedics and doctors were in on it!
HAIL, even CBS was in on it! At least when guys get hurt in 'rasslin
you cain see 'em leavin' in the ambulance. What an absolute disgrace!
If not for Detriot's(Tm) thuggery and the REFs(Tm) letting it go,
the awesome Lakers would've won by 50!
/Don
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| 8.354 | When it counts, James don't | SAGE::ROSS | Oh..oh.. I'm noting..I'm Noting! | Mon Jan 22 1990 12:25 | 2 |
| Worthy scores 26 in the first half and the Lakers trail.
Worthy scores 5 in the second half and the Lakers run away with it.
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| 8.355 | Worthier than Ross, for sure! | SLDA1::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Mon Jan 22 1990 12:34 | 14 |
| re .354:
I did'nt see the smiley's so I assume your serious. Boy, you sure
don't know what your talking about, do you??
Take away Worthy's 26 points in the first half and the next high scorer
had 7 points. Count them, SEVEN.
I wonder what the score would have been without Worthy?? Also, you
conveniently ommitted a mention of the fact that he took a bad tumble
when he collided with Aguirre. But then, I expect no less from you
Worthy bashers.
Sameer
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| 8.356 | Worthy attacked Aguirre like McHale attacked Rambuis | SAGE::ROSS | Oh..oh.. I'm noting..I'm Noting! | Mon Jan 22 1990 12:36 | 6 |
| > -< Worthier than Ross, for sure! >-
I don't include smileys in any discussion of James Worthy.
It would be redundant.
Take a pill.
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| 8.357 | Sigh, here we go again... | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | In MrT I trust | Mon Jan 22 1990 13:01 | 12 |
| Doug,
The worthy-aguirre incident was nothing like McHale/Rambis - Mchale
clotheslined Kurt, on purpose, with intent to injure. Worthy did
not, and it was clearly evident on all replays.
On the 31 points. 31 points is 31 points. Without them, the Lakers
lose by 21. That's pretty simple to understand, isn't it.
Game was physical on both sides. Pistons aren't thugs.
JD
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| 8.358 | | SAGE::ROSS | Oh..oh.. I'm noting..I'm Noting! | Mon Jan 22 1990 13:11 | 14 |
| JD,
Re: Worthy/Aguirre/McHale/Rambis.... just kidding.
Re: James' 31 points.
If he didn't score them, someone else would have
had the same opportunity. You can't just subtract.
My point is that when the Lakers made their great
run to start the second half, James was nowhere to
be seen... and that was long before the Aguirre
incident. I want to see a guy who scores 26 in the
first half, want the ball to start the second half.
The all-worlds do.
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| 8.359 | | SASE::SZABO | just an excitable boy | Mon Jan 22 1990 13:15 | 10 |
| > MJ can't stand Isiah anymore.......
Magic Johnson? For real? They didn't kissy kiss before the game?
This is gettin' good........ :-)
Hawk
P.S. Isiah sure made himself look pretty bad with those girly slaps,
but he hardly "pummeled" the guy. Rollward on the "pummel"! :-)
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| 8.360 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Mon Jan 22 1990 13:28 | 19 |
|
I hope the NBA hands out some fines as a result of this game:
a) Laimbeer gets knocked down under the boards (yes he WAS fouled..)
then get up and immediately throws an intentional elbow to Magic's
face!!! CBS has the perfect replay that shows the cheap-shot.
Then as usual, when Magic turns to retaliate, Laimbeer backpeddels
until Edwards steps in to protect him.
b) Thomas attempts to shot free-throws for Rodman. Blatent cheating,
in my opinion, and should result in a technical and a fine.
c) Thomas for his pansy-slapping of Thompson. Even if they didn't hurt,
he should be fined.. :-)
JimH
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| 8.361 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Sgt.York,J.Wayne,Pope,L.A.Lakers | Mon Jan 22 1990 13:35 | 1 |
| I'm glad to see justice prevail though and the GOOD team win.
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| 8.362 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Mon Jan 22 1990 13:56 | 2 |
| Did Sugar Rim teach Isiah how to fight?
Denny
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| 8.363 | Still howling over the "pummeling" I witnessed yesterday! | SASE::SZABO | | Mon Jan 22 1990 13:59 | 4 |
| No, Denny. But he sure did teach him how to "pummel" his opponents
into oblivion!
Hawk
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| 8.364 | | GENRAL::WADE | The 68 Jets, 88 Dodgers, 89 Broncos! | Mon Jan 22 1990 13:59 | 3 |
| No Denny, my little sister did!
Claybone
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| 8.365 | I know I was roaring. Think it was in TSN | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hockey's Human Zamboni | Mon Jan 22 1990 15:55 | 6 |
|
dam I got a brain cramp, anyone else read what Barkley had to say about
Lambieer and trying to get him into a fight and about the "Little
Princess" (tm) attack on Ricky Mahorn???
mike
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| 8.366 | daly on Big bill wimp | ANALYZ::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Mon Jan 22 1990 15:57 | 8 |
| Anybody hear what Daly said about the Laimbeer/Barkeley altercation?
Went something like "I wish Bill could move as fast getting back on
defence as he did when he was backpeddling running away from Barkeley"
Hilarious.
sameer
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| 8.367 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | In MrT I trust | Mon Jan 22 1990 16:43 | 16 |
| Doug,
I thought you might be kidding about Mchale-Rambis-Worthy_aguirre,
but I was just starting my first coffee.
James is a streaky performer, they needed his 26 in the first, cuz
no one else was scoring, in the second half, Byron Scott and others
started to come alive, and his scoring wasn't needed as much.
re All
The Pistons dont deserve any fines, though Isiah will get one for
rimming Thompson. The rest of the stuff was didly - and Magic threw
an elbow at Laimbeer, who retaliated with an elbow.
JD
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| 8.368 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | | Mon Jan 22 1990 16:52 | 5 |
| No way JD, Lakers don't throw elbows. The Lakers are GOOD.
The Pistons are BAD. I know the difference now because I've seen
the light.
\Don
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| 8.369 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | GuardianAngels,MrGoodWrench,Lakers | Mon Jan 22 1990 16:57 | 2 |
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| 8.370 | | SASE::SZABO | Lassie,DonnaReedShow,My3Sons,Showtime! | Mon Jan 22 1990 17:09 | 2 |
|
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| 8.371 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Mon Jan 22 1990 17:09 | 13 |
|
Sorry JD, I didn't see Laimbeer catch an elbow. Even if he did (and I
do think he was fouled on the play), it occurred while eveyone was fighting
for a rebound. Laimbeer got up and intentionally (IMO) elbowed Johnson in
the face. You're right that he won't be fined...
On a different matter, how did everybody like the play when Magic drove
the lane out-of-control, lost his balance and fell down without contact, and
the refs called a foul on Laimbeer!! Guilt by proximity, I guess... :-)
JimH
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| 8.372 | | SASE::SZABO | FatherFlanagan,FatherO'Brien,PatRiley | Mon Jan 22 1990 17:11 | 2 |
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| 8.373 | | SASE::SZABO | MaryMagdeline,JimmySwagart,\DonRochibaud | Mon Jan 22 1990 17:14 | 2 |
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| 8.374 | Doug, is no criticism too shallow? | VAXWRK::SCHNEIDER | Rah! Rah! Bronx! Go, Bronx! | Mon Jan 22 1990 17:51 | 37 |
| >Re: James' 31 points.
> If he didn't score them, someone else would have
> had the same opportunity. You can't just subtract.
Of all your unWorthy criticisms of the past, this is one of the least
substantial, ranking up there with the famous "He didn't score in the
crucial last 2 minutes of the 3rd quarter" of James' 40 point solo
performance in the last game of last year's finals. Consider, you give
any other forward the opportunity, there's probably few who get *20
points* against Detroit double teaming and Rodman. He was taking and
making incredibly difficult shots against the best defense in the NBA.
If Larry had a game like that still in him, you'd be funding the next
statue.
>My point is that when the Lakers made their great
>run to start the second half, James was nowhere to
>be seen...
You mean, you didn't see him. The Lakers, who were saved from 1st half
embarrassment by Worthy, came out with an excellent game plan in the
second. I was reminded of the '88 finals when it was evident after
every timeout how much quicker Riley's coaching mind works than
Daley's. The used the fact that Detroit was doubling on Worthy and
rotating quickly and countered successfully. A few passes around the
perimeter and wham! Scott opened the second half with three open
jumpers from the left corner, with Worthy posted high on the right.
Riley let Worthy save the day in the first half, and then coached a
team victory in the second. For the second half, he plugged James into
his usual role: good D, team-concept offense. And it worked and the
Lakers won. You want to see James go one-on-two all day long? He
might get 50, and you would then criticize him for not getting double
digit rebounds or assists.
Dan
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| 8.375 | too many of these incidents | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hockey's Human Zamboni | Mon Jan 22 1990 18:00 | 12 |
|
oh no the Slasher has changed his \, what is the world coming too?
And Lambieer will be fined judging by what you guys say. Remember
Harvey Catchings or Parrish/Lambieer? Just because the refs don't
take charge doesn't mean that Stern won't.
the Little Princess should be suspended for atleast a week, maybe then
he'll grow up.....
mike
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| 8.376 | | SAGE::ROSS | Oh..oh.. I'm noting..I'm Noting! | Mon Jan 22 1990 18:12 | 43 |
| > -< Doug, is no criticism too shallow? >-
No.
> Of all your unWorthy criticisms of the past, this is one of the least
> substantial,
I was responding to JD's claim that wothout Worthy, they would have
lost by 21. It's not true. Would they have been as close at the
half? Probably not. Your Worthy radar seems to be a bit sensitive.
> If Larry had a game like that still in him, you'd be funding the next
> statue.
A game like what? 31 points? or 26 points in the first
half and 5 in the second? Bird had 37 last night. Statue
fund increased 5%.
> You mean, you didn't see him. The Lakers, who were saved from 1st half
> embarrassment by Worthy, came out with an excellent game plan in the
> second.
Okay... I saw him standing out at the top of the key. What does
that say about a player's ability to carry a team like a superstar can?
If Bird had 26 at the half, he'd have 40 at the end of three. Same for
any other top player. James "Cog in the Machine" Worthy wouldn't want
that role.
> Lakers won. You want to see James go one-on-two all day long? He
> might get 50, and you would then criticize him for not getting double
> digit rebounds or assists.
He couldn't do it on a regular basis with any other team. He
cannot and will not carry a team for a season. Prove otherwise.
{And prove it in the context of the NBA, not the ACC... there's
plenty of one-man teams at the college level}
How's Magic's FG% these days? Think he can get it to a reasonable
level or will he flounder at the 46% mark?
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| 8.377 | Laimbeer hasn't commited a foul since his rookie year | VAXWRK::SCHNEIDER | Rah! Rah! Bronx! Go, Bronx! | Mon Jan 22 1990 18:15 | 15 |
| > On a different matter, how did everybody like the play when Magic drove
>the lane out-of-control, lost his balance and fell down without contact, and
>the refs called a foul on Laimbeer!! Guilt by proximity, I guess... :-)
I disagree. Laimbeer frequently pulls this same stunt, and often gets
away with it. Call it the Kareem hip-check if you like, but Laimbeer
hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt, which Kareem paid for on the
other end of the court (i.e. like when he wore Cowens, without calls,
etc.). Laimbeer throws his arms up into the air to make him appear
guiltless, and then when there's any contact he moves laterally into
the shooter. If you're shooting, it will throw your shot off, and is
definitely a foul. He did the same thing yesterday on Thompson, Green
and Woolridge. Only Magic got the benefit of the call.
Dan
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| 8.378 | But, Dan, did Worthy score the winning basket ;^)? | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Mon Jan 22 1990 18:38 | 0 |
| 8.379 | Best forward in West, says fans | VAXWRK::SCHNEIDER | Rah! Rah! Bronx! Go, Bronx! | Mon Jan 22 1990 18:42 | 56 |
| >A game like what? 31 points? or 26 points in the first
>half and 5 in the second? Bird had 37 last night. Statue
>fund increased 5%.
Except, you've conveniently overlooked the fact that Boston was playing
Golden State and the lakers were playing Detroit. The last time I saw
Detroit play Boston, they didn't bother to double on Bird, and he
didn't have a big scoring night. And these days, when larry scores
big, there's usually more than a few forces and a lot of teammates who
should have gotten more and better shots. Now Larry has had Carte
Blanche for years to be a pig on offense, but these days, the team
suffers for it. And besides, Rodman would shut Larry down by himself.
> Okay... I saw him standing out at the top of the key. What does
>that say about a player's ability to carry a team like a superstar can?
>If Bird had 26 at the half, he'd have 40 at the end of three.
Bird wouldn't get 26 in a half or 40 in a game against the Pistons, not
even close. And if he managed it, the points would come at the expense
of the team. If Worthy had come out in the second half to look for 40
points for the end of the 3rd quarter, the Lakers would have lost the
game. Team play, coaching, Magic and Worthy = Best record in the NBA =
beating the Pistons in a "playoff atmostphere" on their home court.
>He couldn't do it on a regular basis with any other team. He
>cannot and will not carry a team for a season. Prove otherwise.
>{And prove it in the context of the NBA, not the ACC... there's
> plenty of one-man teams at the college level}
How can it be proven? He's played his whole career in the context of
Kareem and Magic. The only real proof is his college days, when he did
what you ask, and you belittle that with an incredibly weak excuse.
What's left? The opinions of his peers, of NBA coaches and scouts and
other experts. But you belittle that as "lip service".
You don't like the truth, but it's not my job to make you feel better
or to condescend to you and say "You're right, Doug".
>How's Magic's FG% these days? Think he can get it to a reasonable
>level or will he flounder at the 46% mark?
Interesting criticism. First, you criticize James' FG%, then when I
point out that Bird's is pretty pathetic at 45%, you explain how FG%
really isn't important at all (not that I believed you, or even that
you believed yourself). Magic's FG% started out around 43% early in
the year, and he's pushed it up over 47% last I looked. I attribute
this to his different role on the team. Meanwhile you promised me that
Bird would pump his up as well, but it hasn't happened.
Why don't you take the time to think of one set of standards you like
to preach from, instead of constantly shifting them around to suit your
argument. If I had pinned you down on these 2 or 3 years ago, you'd
enjoy the pleasure of being a James Worthy fan by now.
Dan
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| 8.380 | Apples/Oranges=Worthy/Bird | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Run to the Hills | Mon Jan 22 1990 18:43 | 10 |
| Worthy scored 31, his team won. Bird scored 37, his team lost.
I'll bet Bird would trade stats with Worthy. Bird HAS to score,
rebound, and assist his team to victory, Worthy is an important
part of a winning team. Bird IS the Celtics. If he doesnt score,
the C's dont have a chance, if Worthy doesnt score, Magic, Scott,
Cooper, or Green would pick up the slack. I dislike the Celtics
and the Lakers, so it doesnt make a lot of difference to me, a
frustrated Sixer fan. JMHO.
Raider_Rich
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| 8.381 | Magic vs. Michael; Isiah vs. George Foreman | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Trying to forget your generation. | Mon Jan 22 1990 18:44 | 18 |
| Great game by Worthy and the rest of the Lakers. This nonsense by Ross
is really getting amusing. Oh, by the way, did anybody notice that
Michael Jordan had a grand total of 2 points in the first half the
other night before pumping in 30 in the second half. Where was this
guy in the first half? He played great in the second half, but then
again, I suppose he was just taking points away from his teammates who
would have scored them anyway. ;)
The Thomas stunt was typical. This one was a bit more comical than
some of his others (CBS should have added the sound effects from a 3
Stooges film), but it's in keeping with his No-class, adolescent
behavior.
On to New York tomorrow night on TNT. Should be a good one. I just
hope it doesn't come down to a last second, or should I say
split-second, play!
Laker_Ken
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| 8.382 | | PNO::HEISER | young gun | Mon Jan 22 1990 19:06 | 1 |
| Isiah is a girly-mon!
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| 8.383 | Please move the Worthy discussion to note 122. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Mon Jan 22 1990 19:08 | 0 |
| 8.384 | Sounds like Riley was coaching `dirty' tactics | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Jan 22 1990 19:08 | 7 |
| 8.385 | Dantley to be released by Mavs in '91 | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Jan 22 1990 19:35 | 9 |
| The Dallas Mavericks have released Adrain Dantley from the last year of
his contract. Dantley will finish out this season with the Mavs and
will then be put on waivers. If he is not picked up, he will go free
agent. Dallas has agreed not to seek compensation from any team
picking up Dantley. Adrian was looking for a long term contract, but
Dallas decided that with the number of early draft picks coming up,
they didn't want to be tied to a long term deal with Dantley. IMO
Dantley sounds like he is still pouting over being traded to Dallas in
the first place.
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| 8.386 | | VIA::NORI | | Mon Jan 22 1990 20:02 | 8 |
| re : .356
I guess you were watching the game leaving behind your eyes elsewhere.
In fact it was Aguirre who undermined Worthy accidentally as result
Worthy fell on him, there is no resemblence to McHale's attack on Rambis
which was malicious and intentional. You may be a Worthy basher but didn't
think you would stoop so low and distort facts.
-- Ram Nori
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| 8.387 | Should have expected this... what a farce | REFINE::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Mon Jan 22 1990 20:11 | 33 |
| re .340
Gee Mike, when I started with "I heard Isiah say..." that must have
meant I said it and not Isiah. Sorry about the confusion.. ha ha..
Dan, what's the difference between Jordan saying "I can beat you
for $1 million" and Barkley and Jackson's betting? Ok, one's
in a game and one's not, but it's still the equivalent of a
friendly wager and if the league says no, it's a no. I wouldn't
mind seeing it, but what can you do... go talk to Zeke...
I didn't see the whole game yesterday. Missed a lot of the first
half and part of the 3rd and 4th quarters. I say the Worthy-Aguirre
play. I know it wasn't intentional, but if it were the other way
around, people would be screaming it was a cheap shot. I can't
believe no one would argue at least a foul should have been called.
Was it because Worthy's a star? Who knows...
Laimbeer and Magic pushed back and forth underneath before the elbow.
Should he have been tossed? Maybe. A T? Probably.
Rodman and Green pushed and it went both ways.
Rodman and Worthy pushed and it went both ways.
I'm clueless as to what Isiah's problem was yesterday at the end. He's
lucky he didn't get his clock cleaned. I don't think he deserves a
suspension, but he'll get fined.
Think the Lakers should have an * next to yesterday since Aguirre got
hurt and the Pistons weren't at full strength? Lakers deserved the
win, they earned it.
-Walt
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| 8.388 | | REFINE::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Mon Jan 22 1990 20:23 | 7 |
| re .386 Huh?
Didn't Aguirre go up first? I thought if 2 guys were moving, the foul
was on the defensive player. Worthy certainly wasn't stationary. Sort
of like Dumars on Scott later on (which was called on Dumars). I agree
it wasn't the same as Rambis, but it was undercutting and should have
been a breakaway foul.
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| 8.389 | | VAXWRK::SCHNEIDER | Rah! Rah! Bronx! Go, Bronx! | Mon Jan 22 1990 20:35 | 47 |
| >Dan, what's the difference between Jordan saying "I can beat you
>for $1 million" and Barkley and Jackson's betting? Ok, one's
>in a game and one's not, but it's still the equivalent of a
>friendly wager and if the league says no, it's a no.
The proposed one on one is more like the league offering money ot the
team that wins the NBA championship. A team gets $X for winning. The
Barkley and Jackson "bet" might have an adverse effect on the outcome
of an individual game which would lose the league credibility with its
fans. The proposed one on one is nothing like that.
>around, people would be screaming it was a cheap shot. I can't
>believe no one would argue at least a foul should have been called.
>Was it because Worthy's a star? Who knows...
How about because it didn't effect the shot, because it didn't.
Worthy went for the block all the way. There's nothing cheap about
that, and it was unfortunate for both that when he came down, Aguire was
underneath him. If they had called a foul on Worthy, I wouldn't have
been upset, but there was nothing beyond that.
>Laimbeer and Magic pushed back and forth underneath before the elbow.
>Should he have been tossed? Maybe. A T? Probably.
I'm not sure who the "he" is that maybe should have been tossed. What
I saw was Laimbeer lose a battle for position, that was being fought
all day, and respond with a delibrate elbow to the chops. That's not
basketball, and there's probably no NBA players who are going to turn
their back on Laimbeer's crap anymore. I forget whom, but Laimbeer
misplaced his elbow in last years playoffs against the Bulls and was
tossed for it. As far as I'm concerned, the league already gives the
Pistons plenty of leeway in the physical department. It should call
them tighter as the Seattle fans are finding out, but instead it lets
more go. If a team doesn't respond in kind, they pay for it in terms
of rebounds and points. Laimbeer has exhausted his benefit of the
doubt.
>I'm clueless as to what Isiah's problem was yesterday at the end. He's
>lucky he didn't get his clock cleaned. I don't think he deserves a
>suspension, but he'll get fined.
Thomas is another repeat offender. It must be about the 10th such
incident of his career. I must admit I might have been wrong. It
seems he did learn something from Bobby Knight. A lack of
self-control.
Dan
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| 8.390 | It Was Aguirre Who Undermined Worthy. | VIA::NORI | | Mon Jan 22 1990 20:40 | 7 |
| re : .388
It was Worthy who was in the air, and Aguirre who ran into Worhty as a
result, he undercut Worthy's legs and hence the fall on Aguirre. It was
not anything similar to Scott and Dumars, Dumars was called for a foul
because he got Scott on shooting hand.
-- Ram Nori
|
| 8.391 | The fan. The chair. Isiah Thomas. It goes on and on! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Jan 23 1990 01:05 | 9 |
| > I must admit I might have been wrong. It seems he did learn something
> from Bobby Knight. A lack of self-control.
Heh heh! You mighta just scored another bonus point with that
crack Dan!!
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.392 | atleast they could have taken Divac... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Broncos&AmericanStandardafinepair | Tue Jan 23 1990 11:10 | 17 |
|
Sorry Walt, that's what happens before I have coffee...;^)
got to diagree with you though on Isiah. There have been too many of
these incidents involving him. He deserves a suspension. I realize
it takes two to tango and teams are trying to be physical with the
Pistons but he's always, always in the middle of these incidents.
If he isn't in it from the start he's the third man in. It's a joke
especially when he's the one who claimed the bad boys image was all
over, it was a new detroit. Hasn't looked that way to me yet.
As a Celtics fan I must admit I enjoyed the Warriors beating them
the other night with HARDEWAY doing alot of damage. Maybe just maybe
next time a good guard is available they won't pass him over for a
slow white boy from BYU.......
mike
|
| 8.393 | * 1989: Detriot Pistons | REFINE::MISURACA | Bubbymania. Whatca gonna do | Tue Jan 23 1990 11:54 | 4 |
| re: .387
Do the Pistons have an * next to their Championship victory of last
year, since Magic and Scott were out for most of the series?
|
| 8.394 | Another LDUC is warming up here, folks....... | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Jan 23 1990 12:04 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.395 | | SONG::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Tue Jan 23 1990 14:58 | 21 |
| re: Schneider, Ram
So contact after the shot doesn't matter, right? If so, then there
shouldn't be any call against Laimbeer because he didn't affect the
shot either. I thought charges and blocks were legitimate calls.
Worthy didn't have position, if he doesn't have it, it's a block.
Dan, the "he" I referred to was Laimbeer.
re: Misuraca
I don't think so, but some people feel there should be. Just speaking
to them in terms they can relate to.
re: Mike
If Isiah threw punches, I agree, but he slapped him. I don't think he
even felt it, it was a sorry excuse an attack if that's what it was
supposed to be. Maybe that's what happens from excessive kissing on
the court. It was a punching foul, and he was tossed, but I don't think
it deserved a suspension. Maybe a $1000 fine.
-Walt
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| 8.396 | Maybe a foul | VAXWRK::SCHNEIDER | Rah! Rah! Bronx! Go, Bronx! | Tue Jan 23 1990 17:01 | 11 |
| >So contact after the shot doesn't matter, right? If so, then there
>shouldn't be any call against Laimbeer because he didn't affect the
>shot either.
Didn't say it didn't matter and did say I wouldn't have been upset at a
foul call, but it is common for contact after the shot to be ignored.
Laimbeer's hip checks certainly do effect shots. They happen during
the shot, not after.
Dan
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| 8.397 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Jan 23 1990 17:26 | 6 |
| 8.398 | Texas NBA news | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Jan 23 1990 17:29 | 7 |
| Roy Tarpley is back with the Mavericks. His doctor gave the OK for him
to rejoin Dallas.
Kelvin Upshaw was dropped to make room.
Lewis Lloyd is looking for work again. He sustained an ankle injury
and as a result, his 10 day contract was not renewed.
|
| 8.399 | still think it's called for... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Broncos&AmericanStandardafinepair | Tue Jan 23 1990 17:29 | 12 |
|
Walt, while I agree they were just pansy-ass little slaps, the fact of
the matter is this is what his third incident of breaking the rules
in this fashion. Heck in some states with the right judge he could
get life......
I think that he need to be suspended more for himself than for the
league. The league won't gain anything but Isiah just might grow up
and let his fine talent speak for itself...
mike
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| 8.400 | Rollward on the "scalp massage" | SASE::SZABO | Knobbed up and thrusty | Tue Jan 23 1990 17:29 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.401 | Simply Awesome!!! | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Trying to forget your generation. | Wed Jan 24 1990 11:16 | 7 |
| The Lakers put on a clinic in New York last night, destroying the
Knicks, 118-97. The Lakers shut down Ewing (12 points) and played
stifling defense. Magic and the boys came out running and fastbreaked
the Knicks into early submission. Magic and most of the starters sat
out the entire fourth quarter as the bench mopped up.
Laker_Ken
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| 8.402 | The team to beat..... | SASE::SZABO | | Wed Jan 24 1990 11:26 | 7 |
| Undeniably, the Lakers are playing the best hoops. Sorry Mike H., but
I think that LA would beat the Suns @Phoenix right now. BTW, when is
the nexted Lakers-Suns matchup?
Are the Lakers at their peak for the season? I hope so. :-)
Hawk
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| 8.403 | Chump change for a true chump | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Trying to forget your generation. | Wed Jan 24 1990 11:36 | 1 |
| Isiah was fined $2,500 for the "scalp massage."
|
| 8.404 | just got TNT, thought I see a good game. Wonder Years was better | CNTROL::CHILDS | Broncos&AmericanStandardafinepair | Wed Jan 24 1990 12:07 | 10 |
|
Yup, the Lakers sure did look awesome last night. Riley is a master
at bending the rules. His matchup zones worked to perfection last night
and allowed them to easily triple team Ewing anytime he touched the
ball in the post. Also did anyone see a Laker throw down a slam last
night without traveling????
many smiles remember I am the enemy loaded with popb.....
mike
|
| 8.405 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | The 49ers. A REPEAT performance. | Wed Jan 24 1990 13:08 | 6 |
| The Lakers showed how good they can be when they're all playing
well. But, the game should be taken in it's proper context. The
Knicks have played terrible for about two weeks now. At least the
Celtics stayed with the Lakers until the fourth quarter. 8^)
/Don
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| 8.406 | | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Wed Jan 24 1990 13:12 | 4 |
| yeah, but remember, this game was @ ny... where they had previously
only lost 1 game. what a win!
sean
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| 8.407 | Next game in Phoenix on April 6th | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | The grass is greener, but you still have to mow it! | Wed Jan 24 1990 13:37 | 7 |
| Re a few back:
Lakers and Suns only have one remaining game to be played in
Phoenix on April 6th. Lakers and Trail Blazers have yet to
play each other at all. First game will be Feb 6th in Portland.
Bret
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| 8.408 | | PNO::HEISER | young gun | Wed Jan 24 1990 14:31 | 9 |
| > Undeniably, the Lakers are playing the best hoops. Sorry Mike H., but
> I think that LA would beat the Suns @Phoenix right now. BTW, when is
> the nexted Lakers-Suns matchup?
Lackers(tm) don't come back until April. Besides, everyone knows the
hottest team in the NBA right now is Phoenix. They won their 9th in a
row last night.
Mike
|
| 8.409 | Hornets sign Curry | AUNTB::HAAS | Die, laugh I thought I'd | Wed Jan 24 1990 14:32 | 4 |
| The Hornets have signed Dell Curry to a multiyear contract. This is good
news since Curry is one of the few things that the team has going for it.
TTom
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| 8.410 | Magic loves the media center | CNTROL::CHILDS | All's we need is a rope and a tree GB | Wed Jan 24 1990 14:41 | 6 |
|
Being in NY doesn't seem to mean much to the Lakers, I believe this
makes the 6th straight game they have won there......
mike
|
| 8.411 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Jan 24 1990 14:48 | 7 |
| 8.412 | | REFINE::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Wed Jan 24 1990 14:50 | 1 |
| Pistons gave the Bulls their second loss at home last night.
|
| 8.413 | as if I don't know ;^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | All's I need is a rope and a tree GB | Wed Jan 24 1990 14:59 | 4 |
|
Hey Dock, who gave the Bulls, their other home loss???
GD#1
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| 8.414 | not impressed | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Wed Jan 24 1990 15:02 | 6 |
|
Phoenix definitely isn't the best team in the NBA right now.
I wonder, is the *phoenix win over the lakers included in the 9
game winning streak? Who do they play next? Charlotte? wow...
sean
|
| 8.415 | Kaptain Kurt returns | AUNTB::HAAS | Die, laugh I thought I'd | Wed Jan 24 1990 15:04 | 4 |
| Hey, it's going to be Kurt Rambis day for tomorrow's game. The Hornets
had already schedule it before he was traded and decided to just do it.
TTom
|
| 8.416 | | PNO::HEISER | young gun | Wed Jan 24 1990 16:07 | 30 |
| > <<< Note 8.414 by LEVERS::STROUT "knocking on heaven's door..." >>>
> -< not impressed >-
> Phoenix definitely isn't the best team in the NBA right now.
> I wonder, is the *phoenix win over the lakers included in the 9
> game winning streak? Who do they play next? Charlotte? wow...
Sean the 9 (and last 14 of 16) victims have been
(in descending chronological order):
@Miami
@Orlando
Seattle - not an automatic win
Minnesota
@Dallas - also not an automatic win
Charlotte
@Denver - tough place to win. This was Denver's 2nd home loss.
Sacremento
Lakers - 'nuff said
@Seattle - loss #2
Dallas
@New York - this was the Knicks first home loss
@Cleveland - loss #1
@Minnesota
Portland - supposedly better than Phoenix; not on this night
Clippers - pre-Harper's injury; no doormat here
Interesting to note that this all started with the acquisition of
Rambis.
Mike
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| 8.417 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Smith,Lincoln,Ghandi | Wed Jan 24 1990 16:16 | 6 |
| Mike,
Seattle is like 2-15 on the road. I'd put that in the automatic
victory column. The SOnics don't beat nobody on the road.
JD
|
| 8.418 | Sonics-Road Worriers | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Wed Jan 24 1990 17:04 | 4 |
| Hey, JD, they beat the feared Timberwolves by a few! They play 'em
again next week on the road. Maybe they can win their 3rd on the road.
Pete
|
| 8.419 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | MrT :== CRAVEN panderer! | Wed Jan 24 1990 17:05 | 6 |
| Pete,
But, can they beat the Bucks tonight, at home? Will the back to
the future lineup produce?
JD
|
| 8.420 | | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Wed Jan 24 1990 19:53 | 19 |
| I dunno, but should be a good game - the rematch of the 5 OT thriller
in Milwaukee in November. I may be living in fantasy land, but I still
think the Sonics may return to form and start scoring again. But,
Sellers and McKey have to start producing. Same with Cage. He hasn't
had a 10 rebound game in a couple of weeks.
Good news is that I've heard that Ellis might not be out as long as
first thought. He might be back in a few weeks, not 6.
JD, you hear the weird story about Ellis? Seems that 2 employees of
the Celebrity Bar (where Dale was before his run-in with the traffic
divider) were arrested for attempted extortion. They threatened to
testify that Ellis has serious drinking and drug problems if he didn't
cough up $50,000 each to these cretins. Ellis told his lawyer and he
called the cops. Not that Ellis might not have a drinking problem,
but there has never been evidence of drug use.
Pete
|
| 8.421 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Attacked by gnats! | Wed Jan 24 1990 20:39 | 11 |
| Pete,
Didn't hear the Ellis/extortion story. Unreal.
Hope tonight is a good one. Taking one Chainsaw Way to his first
Sonics game. Tickets are available in all price ranges. I sure
hope the Sonics girls perform mightily for Chain at halftime (you
didn't happen to see their performance to old TV theme songs did
you? Totally lame.)
JD
|
| 8.422 | Keep those doggies moving! | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Trying to forget your generation. | Thu Jan 25 1990 10:46 | 10 |
| The Lakers knocked off the Pacers last night, 120-111, to go 3-1 on
their road trip. Not bad -- beating Detroit, N.Y., and Indianapolis in
four days.
Friday night is the revenge match against the Bucks at the Forum.
Oh, incidentally, James Worthy led the Lakers in assists last night
with 12.
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.423 | | LEVERS::STROUT | knocking on heaven's door... | Thu Jan 25 1990 11:30 | 5 |
| > Oh, incidentally, James Worthy led the Lakers in assists last night
> with 12.
Say it ain't so! That damn one dimensional player!!! :)
sean
|
| 8.424 | Spurs News | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Jan 25 1990 12:27 | 6 |
| The San Antonio Spurs tied their franchise home winning streak by
beating the Clippers last night in HemisFair arena. The Spurs have now
won 16 games in a row at home.
Maurice Cheeks got career steal 2000 last night and was awarded a game
ball at the next break in the action.
|
| 8.425 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Bradshaw,Starr,Staubach | Thu Jan 25 1990 13:10 | 9 |
| Bucks bopped the SOnics in Seattle last night, despite Chainsaw's
appearance.
Soncis came out flat, down by 21 in the 1st quarter, fought back
on the backs of Sedale and X-man, only to lose it down the stretch.
Fred Roberts fouled out, but was an integral part of the game.
Sikma scored 28, including 2-2 from 2-point land.
JD
|
| 8.426 | A Whole Lot of 3's ?? | STRATA::RNEWCOMB | FBA --> It's FAN-tastic | Thu Jan 25 1990 15:26 | 8 |
| 8.427 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Louie and the Redman #1 | Thu Jan 25 1990 16:17 | 5 |
| Newc,
Caught me - 2 fer 2 from 3-point land....
JD
|
| 8.428 | Final all-star voting travesty. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good Bye! | Fri Jan 26 1990 03:13 | 97 |
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FINAL NBA EASTERN CONFERENCE ALL-STAR VOTING
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CENTER
------
PATRICK EWING, NEW YORK 245,746
MOSES MALONE, ATLANTA 134,849
BILL LAIMBEER, DETROIT 126,604
ROBERT PARISH, BOSTON 56,028
RIK SMITS, INDIANA 51,693
BILL CARTWRIGHT, CHICAGO 46,854
MIKE GMINSKI, PHILADELPHIA 37,614
JACK SIKMA, MILWAUKEE 32,667
BRAD DAUGHERTY, CLEVELAND 31,883
JOE BARRY CARROLL, NEW JERSEY 26,812
FORWARDS
--------
LARRY BIRD, BOSTON 248,837
CHARLES BARKLEY, PHILADELPHIA 182,639
DOMINIQUE WILKINS, ATLANTA 132,994
MARK AGUIRRE, DETROIT 110,852
SCOTTIE PIPPEN, CHICAGO 106,717
KEVIN MCHALE, BOSTON 94,718
BERNARD KING, WASHINGTON 88,550
DENNIS RODMAN, DETROIT 87,078
HORACE GRANT, CHICAGO 81,393
RICK MAHORN, PHILADELPHIA 79,483
GUARDS
------
MICHAEL JORDAN, CHICAGO 321,114
ISIAH THOMAS, DETROIT 181,960
JEFF MALONE, WASHINGTON 134,166
JOE DUMARS, DETROIT 128,964
HERSEY HAWKINS, PHILADELPHIA 103,688
MARK PRICE, CLEVELAND 82,991
DOC RIVERS, ATLANTA 74,787
JOHN BATTLE, ATLANTA 59,217
REGGIE MILLER, INDIANA 57,616
REGGIE LEWIS, BOSTON 49,793
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FINAL NBA WESTERN CONFERENCE ALL-STAR VOTING
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CENTER
------
AKEEM OLAJUWON, HOUSTON 202,244
DAVID ROBINSON, SAN ANTONIO 119,301
MARK EATON, UTAH 99,591
STEVE JOHNSON, MINNESOTA 65,111
J.R. REID, CHARLOTTE 62,897
KEVIN DUCKWORTH, PORTLAND 50,855
MANUTE BOL, GOLDEN STATE 42,555
BENOIT BENJAMIN, L.A. CLIPPERS 39,678
MYCHAL THOMPSON, L.A. LAKERS 37,851
PERVIS ELLISON, SACRAMENTO 30,025
FORWARDS
--------
JAMES WORTHY, L.A. LAKERS 163,053
A.C. GREEN, L.A. LAKERS 160,788
KARL MALONE, UTAH 159,562
XAVIER MCDANIEL, SEATTLE 158,759
KELLY TRIPUCKA, CHARLOTTE 77,832
CHRIS MULLIN, GOLDEN STATE 72,817
DERRICK MCKEY, SEATTLE 67,430
THURL BAILEY, UTAH 64,102
TOM CHAMBERS, PHOENIX 64,028
DANNY MANNING, L.A. CLIPPERS 58,593
GUARDS
------
MAGIC JOHNSON, L.A. LAKERS 214,348
JOHN STOCKTON, UTAH 149,548
DEREK HARPER, DALLAS 146,986
CLYDE DREXLER, PORTLAND 145,782
MAURICE CHEEKS, SAN ANTONIO 144,201
KEVIN JOHNSON, PHOENIX 78,812
DALE ELLIS, SEATTLE 66,198
POOH RICHARDSON, MINNESOTA 64,276
SLEEPY FLOYD, HOUSTON 62,886
MITCH RICHMOND, GOLDEN STATE 60,704
|
| 8.429 | NBA Injured List as of Thursday PM | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good Bye! | Fri Jan 26 1990 03:14 | 133 |
| Thu Jan 25 17:50
NBA INJURIES
* = new addition
ATLANTA HAWKS - *Starting small forward Dominique Wilkins (sprained
ankle) saw 17 minutes of action as a reserve in Wednesday's game.
Starting point guard Doc Rivers (herniated disc) has been advised
to just stay in bed for two weeks and is expected to be sidelined
until at least mid-February. Rivers will likely be placed on the
injured list. Starting shooting guard John Battle (arthroscopic
knee surgery) is on the injured list and is expected to be
sidelined until at least early February.
BOSTON CELTICS - Projected starting point guard Brian Shaw signed
with a team in Italy.
CHARLOTTE HORNETS - *Starting shooting guard Rex Chapman (strained
left achilles tendon) has missed several games and is questionable
for Thursday's game versus Phoenix. Reserve center Dave Hoppen
(shoulder) is on the injured list and is expected to be sidelined
until at least late March. Starting point guard Michael Holton
(surgery for fragmented disc in spine) is on the injured list and
is expected to be sidelined until at least mid-January.
CHICAGO BULLS - No significant injuries.
CLEVELAND CAVALIERS - Reserve forward Winston Bennett (strained
quad) is eligible to come off the injured list but is sidelined
indefinitely. Starting center Brad Daugherty (foot), who is on the
injured list, returned to practice Monday and is expected to return
to action by the first week in February.
DALLAS MAVERICKS - *Starting power forward Roy Tarpley (arrest for
drunk driving and resisting arrest) was reinstated on Monday and
played in the final quarter of Tuesday's game.
DENVER NUGGETS - Reserve guard Michael Cutright (knee surgery), a
rookie who has been on the injured list all season, is now expected
to be sidelined until at least late February and may miss the
entire season.
DETROIT PISTONS - *Starting small forward Mark Aguirre (severe
lower back strain) missed Tuesday's game and is questionable for
Friday's game versus Phoenix. Rookie power forward Anthony Cook,
a first-round pick, signed with a team in Greece.
GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS - Reserve forward/center Jim Peterson (knee)
is eligible to come off the injured list but is expected to be
sidelined until at least early February. Center Alton Lister is on
the injured list and will miss the remainder of the season.
HOUSTON ROCKETS - *Key reserve shooting guard Mike Woodson
(strained tendon in left foot) has missed several games and is
questionable for the remainder of this week's action. Reserve
forward/center Tim McCormick (knee) is on the injured list and is
sidelined indefinitely. Reserve forward Walter Berry is playing in
Italy.
INDIANA PACERS - Reserve point guard Rickey Green (ankle) is on the
injured list and is sidelined indefinitely.
LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS - Starting shooting guard Ron Harper (knee
surgery) is on the injured list, will miss the remainder of this
season and the first month or two of next season.
LOS ANGELES LAKERS - Deep reserve power forward Mel McCants (two
sprained ankles) is on the injured list and is sidelined
indefinitely.
MIAMI HEAT - *Deep reserve shooting guard Scott Haffner (strained
knee, ankle and toe) has missed several games and is questionable
for Friday's game versus Indiana.
MILWAUKEE BUCKS - Reserve power forward Ben Coleman (hand surgery)
is on the injured list and is expected to be sidelined until at
least late January or early February. Reserve power forward Larry
Krystkowiak (knee surgery) is on the injured list and is expected
to be sidelined until at least late February or early March.
MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES - *Reserve center/forward Steve Johnson
(ulcer) is eligible to come off the five-game injured list in time
for Friday's game versus Cleveland and is day-to-day.
NEW JERSEY NETS - *Starting power forward Roy Hinson (tendinitis
of the right knee and soreness in the left knee) is questionable
for Thursday's game versus Orlando. *Hinson, who has not practiced
all week, has been in a lot of pain and may soon undergo
arthroscopic surgery. *Should surgery be required, Hinson may be
lost for the remainder of the season. *Starting center Sam Bowie
(back spasms) has missed two games but is probable for Thursday's
game. Deep reserve small forward Stanley Brundy (substance abuse)
was suspended for the remainder of the season for failing a random
drug test.
NEW YORK KNICKS - Reserve small forward Kiki Vandeweghe (sore back
and foot) is eligible to come off the injured list but is now
expected to be sidelined until at least mid-February.
ORLANDO MAGIC - Backup center Dave Corzine (major reconstructive
knee surgery) is on the injured list and will miss the remainder
of the season.
PHILADELPHIA 76ERS - *Key reserve small forward Ron Anderson
(sprained knee) saw 15 minutes of action in Wednesday's game.
PHOENIX SUNS - Key reserve swingman Eddie Johnson (dislocated left
shoulder) is on the injured list and is expected to be sidelined
until at least early-to-mid February. Reserve swingman Ricky
Blanton (knee surgery) is on the injured list and will miss the
remainder of the season.
PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS - Deep reserve power forward Ramon Ramos
(head and chest injuries due to auto accident) is on the injured
list and will not return to action this season.
SACRAMENTO KINGS - Starting forward/center Pervis Ellison
(tendinitis in the right big toe) is on the injured list and is
expected to be sidelined until at least early March.
SAN ANTONIO SPURS - No significant injuries.
SEATTLE SUPERSONICS - Starting shooting guard Dale Ellis (fractured
ribs and collapsed lung) is on the injured list and is expected to
be sidelined until at least late February.
UTAH JAZZ - No significant injuries.
WASHINGTON BULLETS - Starting power forward John Williams (knee
surgery) is on the injured list and is expected to be sidelined
until at least early March.
*Denotes new information.
|
| 8.430 | You gotta be kidding me | VCSESU::LANE | You better be good for goodness sake | Thu Jan 25 1990 15:53 | 4 |
|
RE: .428
AC Green over Karl Malone!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
|
| 8.431 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Lakers - 5 All Stars | Thu Jan 25 1990 15:56 | 2 |
| Stockton over Scott?
Akeem over Thompson?
|
| 8.432 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Fri Jan 26 1990 14:25 | 1 |
| Thompson???
|
| 8.433 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Know it all New Yorker | Fri Jan 26 1990 14:39 | 7 |
| AC GREEN - you've gotta be kidding mE!!!
Larry Bird??? - you gotta be kiddding me!!!!
Isiah Thompson - You've gotta bekidding me!!!
JD
|
| 8.434 | | SASE::SZABO | | Fri Jan 26 1990 14:39 | 1 |
| Hawthorne Wingo??
|
| 8.435 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Fri Jan 26 1990 14:43 | 4 |
|
Akeem over Vlade????? Ya gotta be kidding me!!!!!
|
| 8.436 | Take it away from the fans | BROOKE::LAZARUSD | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Fri Jan 26 1990 16:10 | 1 |
| What a disgrace to have Green or Worthy start over Malone.
|
| 8.437 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Jan 26 1990 18:26 | 4 |
| The Mavs are going to shuffle their lineup a bit with Tarpley back and
producing (11 points in 12 minutes in his debut). Forward Sam Perkins
will spend some time at guard in order to give the rest of the Mavs
forwards (particularly Tarpley) more playing time.
|
| 8.438 | NBA individual performance of the decade! | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good Bye! | Sun Jan 28 1990 11:25 | 58 |
| Here's Karl Malone's views on not being picked for the All-Star starting team:
MILWAUKEE (96) AT UTAH (144)
MILWAUKEE
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
GRAYER F 19 1-6 0-0 1 2 3 1 0 1 1 2
F ROBERTS F 20 3-7 2-2 1 1 2 1 3 1 1 8
SIKMA C 28 3-10 0-0 0 5 5 5 1 1 2 7
A ROBERTSON G 29 5-12 2-4 4 4 8 3 3 2 2 12
HUMPHRIES G 25 3-8 2-4 1 1 2 3 3 1 0 8
PIERCE 27 6-10 9-12 1 1 2 2 0 0 4 21
PRESSEY 23 6-13 0-0 1 1 2 3 3 1 0 12
ANDERSON 20 2-3 3-4 0 3 3 0 5 0 2 7
LOHAUS 17 4-7 0-0 1 4 5 2 3 0 0 8
BROWN 14 3-10 1-2 1 2 3 1 2 0 1 7
HORFORD 9 0-1 4-4 0 2 2 1 1 0 1 4
KORNET 9 0-3 0-0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
TOTALS 240 36-90 23-32 11 26 37 22 25 7 14 96
(.400) (.719) TEAM REBS: 12
UTAH
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
EDWARDS F 19 1-3 0-0 0 3 3 0 3 2 1 2
MALONE F 33 21-26 19-23 9 9 18 2 2 3 2 61
EATON C 25 1-3 0-0 0 4 4 0 2 0 0 2
STOCKTON G 26 3-6 3-3 0 2 2 16 3 0 2 10
HANSEN G 17 0-2 0-0 0 0 0 3 3 0 0 0
BROWN 22 6-8 2-2 2 6 8 2 3 0 1 15
RUDD 14 3-7 0-0 0 2 2 4 3 1 2 6
BAILEY 24 6-13 0-0 0 5 5 1 1 0 2 12
GRIFFITH 27 7-12 1-2 0 5 5 1 2 2 0 19
LECKNER 18 3-5 0-0 2 2 4 0 3 0 1 6
E JOHNSON 9 1-4 2-2 0 1 1 4 0 1 0 4
ORTIZ 6 2-5 2-2 2 0 2 4 1 0 0 7
TOTALS 240 54-94 29-34 15 39 54 37 26 9 11 144
(.574) (.853) TEAM REBS: 5
MILWAUKEE 19 26 28 23 - 96
UTAH 31 30 35 48 - 144
BLOCKED SHOTS: MIL - SIKMA 2, GRAYER, KORNET. UTH - EATON 2, BROWN,
BAILEY.
3-PT. FIELD GOALS: MIL 1-12 (.083), SIKMA 1-4, HUMPHRIES 0-1,
PIERCE 0-1, PRESSEY 0-1, LOHAUS 0-1, BROWN 0-3,
KORNET 0-1. UTH 7-14 (.500), STOCKTON 1-1, HANSEN 0-1, BROWN 1-1,
RUDD 0-3, GRIFFITH 4-6, ORTIZ 1-2.
TECHNICALS: TECH -- PIERCE, ANDERSON.
OFFICIALS: RUSH, VADEN, KINSEY.
A - 12,616.
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| 8.439 | | REFINE::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Sun Jan 28 1990 15:00 | 1 |
| He'll probably score 4 on Tuesday or Wednesday...
|
| 8.440 | Need evidence | SAGE::ROSS | Custer,Mondale,Cooney,Elway | Mon Jan 29 1990 09:38 | 3 |
| Does anyone know if you can bring camcorders into the Boston Garden
during Celts games? I'm talking about a small Sony Handycam with
no extra light.
|
| 8.441 | | SASE::SZABO | | Mon Jan 29 1990 12:51 | 6 |
| The Celtics extended their Super Bowl Sunday winning streak to 8 beating
the Suns 126-188, in Boston.
HTH.
Hawk
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| 8.442 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Mon Jan 29 1990 14:51 | 5 |
|
126-188? Wow! That 62 point spread must make the Donks feel good!
-Dick
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| 8.443 | | PNO::HEISER | Peg Leg Speed King | Mon Jan 29 1990 16:24 | 5 |
| Anyone hear the rumor about Sean Elliott being on the block for Rod
Strickland? I think Brown should have his head examined if this is
true!
Mike
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| 8.444 | | SAGE::ROSS | Lambda Sigma Delta | Mon Jan 29 1990 16:45 | 13 |
| > Anyone hear the rumor about Sean Elliott being on the block for Rod
> Strickland? I think Brown should have his head examined if this is
> true!
>
> Mike
Why? Elliot's been a bust so far... The Spurs could use a young
point guard to back up Cheeks, especially come playoff time. Knicks
need to do something to resolve the Mark Jackson/Strickland problem.
I'd be surprised if it happened, but I also think it would be a move
to help both teams. I'd guess NY would also have to throw in something
else.
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| 8.445 | Rocket Rod can't be traded | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Some folks trust in reason | Mon Jan 29 1990 17:09 | 13 |
| Couldn't happen right now. Mark Jackson is playingwith extremely
inconsistent results, and to get rid of Strickland would really cripple
the Knicks offensively. Every time it seems to look good for
Strickland to become the starter, Jackson cranks out a few good games
and maybe one brilliant one, but then he sinks back again. If the
Knicks could put together a package of Jackson + to get Elliott, I'm
sure they'ed do it, but they couldn't afford to part with Strickland
right now.
Strickland is every bit the penetrator that Kevin Johnson is. I would
think that every team in the NBA would want him.
Dan
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| 8.446 | Strickland in green... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Bradshaw knows Elway | Mon Jan 29 1990 17:30 | 8 |
|
I know we want him Dan but NY will never ship him our way. I think
if the Knicks won't trade him than they ought to play. Give him a
chance and then make a decision and trade either him or Jackson.
It does them no good to have both them when either one could strength
another area on the team for them by trade....
mike
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| 8.447 | | PNO::HEISER | Peg Leg Speed King | Mon Jan 29 1990 19:44 | 9 |
| > Strickland is every bit the penetrator that Kevin Johnson is. I would
> think that every team in the NBA would want him.
HA HA HO HO HA HA !!!!!! That is the one-liner of the day!
The only area that advantage Strickland has over Elliott is in Assists.
Sean has higher scoring & rebounding averages.
Mike
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| 8.448 | SA 86, LAL 84 | AUNTB::HAAS | Die, laugh I thought I'd | Tue Jan 30 1990 10:36 | 5 |
| San Antone beat the Lakers at the Forum last night, 86-84. Roninson had
19 points and 16 bounds. Worthy had 32. Magic missed the game with the
flu.
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| 8.449 | You might learn something | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Some folks trust in reason | Tue Jan 30 1990 15:15 | 14 |
| > The only area that advantage Strickland has over Elliott is in Assists.
> Sean has higher scoring & rebounding averages.
You've misunderstood me, Mike. I don't suggest the trade from
a Knick point of view because they can't afford to not have
Strickland in their lineup and future. Not because the trade for
Elliott doesn't give equal or better value. At this point it should
be obvious to Knick watchers that Jackson is the expendable
point guard on the team.
As for the joke, why don't you watch Rod play instead of relying
on parochialism?
Dan
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| 8.450 | Strickland average at best last night | LEAF::NAZZARO | Dean Smith is scared of UMass | Thu Feb 01 1990 11:15 | 8 |
| I watched Strickland up close and personal last night, and he was
emminently forgettable: 24 minutes, 7 points, 1 reb, 1 ast, and
3 turnovers. Didn't look like much more than a back-up.
If San Antonio gives up on the third pick in the draft this quickly,
they deserve to keep Larry Brown as coach indefinitely!
NAZZ
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| 8.451 | Spurs | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Feb 01 1990 11:25 | 17 |
| 8.452 | Hornets fire Harter | SHALOT::HUNT | Thirtysomething Mutant Ninja Daddy | Thu Feb 01 1990 11:32 | 11 |
| Dick Harter was fired yesterday as coach of the Charlotte Hornets.
"Communication breakdowns" were the reasons cited for the change.
Harter had been publicly criticized by several players including
Rex Chapman.
Gene Littles was named interim coach. He's been the player
personnel director and assistant coach up until now. This is his
second "interim" shift as he replaced George Karl in Cleveland
during the 1985-86 NBA season.
Bob Hunt
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| 8.453 | Bulls get robbed ! | SLDA1::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Thu Feb 01 1990 11:34 | 31 |
| Surprised nobody has entered this yet:
David Stern yesterday said that the protest lodged by the Bulls wrt the
NY game had been turned down because the NBA does'nt overturn errors in
judgement made by the officials. He said that it was obvious that
Tucker did not make the shot in 0.1 secs, but that he would not over
rule the refs.
He went on to say that the NBA has introduced new guidlines about the
end of play clock- if there are 0.3 secs or less on the clock, then the
refs would only allow a tip in or alley hoop as a legitimate score- all
other attempts would not count.
My comments:
I think the reason that Stern gives for not over ruling is total hog
wash. Where does it say that you can't *ever* over rule errors in
judgement? Why have a body that investigates protests if they are
never going to be upheld? After all, its usually only in these types
of situations that a team lodges a protest in the first place. I think
he has set a bad precedent with this decision.
The only fair decision, IMO, would for the Knicks and Bulls to play a 5
minute over time the next time they meet and also have the new
guidlines that he laid down (BTW - is'nt this a similar ruling to the
one that was made at the Clips-Celts game a couple of months ago, but
stated differently)? If so, then the decision should have definitely
been overturned because the refs. were in flagrant disregard of the law
as specified by the league.
Sameer
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| 8.454 | Cummings' snub for All-star is ridiculous | LEAF::NAZZARO | Dean Smith is scared of UMass | Thu Feb 01 1990 11:37 | 7 |
| I'm just not a big fan of Larry Brown. I really like the team,
and I'm just afraid he'll screw them up. I think Elliot will be
a star in the league, and he may eventually be Cheeks' successor
at the point. The Spurs would be foolish to trade him away in
his rookie season.
NAZZ
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| 8.455 | | RT32::KAUFMANN | Bo knows diapers. | Thu Feb 01 1990 11:38 | 7 |
| RE: .453
Sameer,
Yeah, but this is the NBA, where they make up rules as they go along.
Bo
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| 8.456 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Shah,Marcos,Quadaffi,Knorr | Thu Feb 01 1990 11:51 | 20 |
| Re Nazz on Strickland,
And Nazz, judging by last night's games, I'd say Larry Bird wasn't
worth much more than a 2nd round pick - but that Robert Parrish
was the greatest center in the league. Kinda hard to judge the
ability of a player on the basis of one game, or in Strickland's
case, 24 minutes of playing time.
Re Sameer,
A Judgement error is a human error, and if one human error is
overturned, then how many other questionable instances can one claim
was due to a human error? It was a mistake, it was one play. It
costs the Bulls a game - how many questionable calls has, say, Michael
Jordan received in his career that may have helped the Bulls get
a victory? It all evens out. I've seen Michael travel, charge,
and hack late in a game, and not get called, or worse, draw a foul.
Same thing - judgement/human error by the ref.
JD
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| 8.457 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Feb 01 1990 12:07 | 3 |
| I don't know of any sport which will overturn a judgement call of an
official. The only time that protests are upheld is when there is an
actual rule violation, such as an illegally pine tarred bat.
|
| 8.458 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | ACC-AnotherCrookedContest | Thu Feb 01 1990 12:07 | 8 |
| It wasn't an "error in judgement", it was cheating by the
timekeeper. I guess that's the NBA's kinder gentler term for it.
I disagree about Strickland NAZZ. I think the Knicks would be better
if Jackson were off the team. He's more interested in making the
spectacular play than the easy one. The Knicks will never win an
NBA Championship with Jackson on the team.
/Don
|
| 8.459 | Not a "subjective" error | ANALYZ::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Thu Feb 01 1990 12:13 | 16 |
| .457 (Big Mac)
If this is'nt an "actual rule violation" then I don't know what is.
The league ruled (after the Celts-Clips game) that it takes 0.3 secs to
make a shot. There was only 0.1 secs left and hence the shot was not
possible (according to the rules).
.456: (JD)
I think the "errors" in judgement displayed here are not subjective (as
are most such cases). This was a case of blatant disregard of the
rules and hence (IMO) should have been ruled as such. What's to stop
other refs from interpreting other rules as they see fit (and not
according to the guidelines of the league)??
Sameer
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| 8.460 | Celts/Knicks | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Feb 01 1990 12:14 | 14 |
| Speaking of timekeepers, how about that mixup at the Boston Garden at
the end of the first half last night. The Knicks put up a shot as the
24 second clock expired, the buzzer sounded for the 24 clock, but there
was still a couple of seconds on the game clock. An alert Knick got
the rebound and scored the hoop while all the Celts looked at each
other thinking the buzzer had gone off signalling the end of the half.
I must admit, that standing around by the Celts just typified why a 14
point lead got whittled down to 5 at that point. They played some
pretty sloppy basketball at the end of the first half.
Any word on DJ? I tuned in late in the 2nd quarter and the announcers
said that he had torn a quadricep. How long will he be out? Who will
replace him on the roster?
|
| 8.461 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | ACC-ACrookedChris | Thu Feb 01 1990 12:20 | 4 |
| BigMac, DJ could be out anywhere from 1-4 weeks. The dcotor
will know more when his swelling goes down (no cracks about this).
/Don
|
| 8.462 | Nurse! Whack his pee pee! WHACK! | SASE::SZABO | | Thu Feb 01 1990 12:45 | 1 |
|
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| 8.463 | | GOMETS::mccarthy | Mike McCarthy MRO4-2/C17 297-4531 | Thu Feb 01 1990 12:46 | 6 |
| I think Elliot will also develop. With the current lineup, he's probably
the 5th option on offense. He can't really show much now with Cummings,
Robinson, Anderson, and Cheeks out there. I would hope that the Spurs
wouldn't give up on him this soon.
Mike
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| 8.464 | The real poop | SHALOT::MEDVID | Sacrifice for a new nirvana | Fri Feb 02 1990 12:38 | 10 |
| On the Charlotte evening news last night, the real reasons for Harter's
firing came to the surface. In an interview with owner George Shinn:
- Harter called Rex Chapman a whiney spoiled brat and wanted to
trade him
- Shinn said the Stuart Grey trade was a huge mistake that Harter
pushed for. They didn't want that ever to happen again.
--dan'l
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| 8.465 | Shinn is a jerk and a loser | 4159::NAZZARO | Dean Smith is scared of UMass | Fri Feb 02 1990 17:01 | 6 |
| Re. -1
Yeah, the Stuart Grey deal would make or break any team. (Insert
countless smilies here)
NAZZ
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| 8.466 | Manute had 13 blocks last night! | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good Bye! | Sat Feb 03 1990 19:45 | 0 |
| 8.467 | Good night for centers tonight! | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good Bye! | Sun Feb 04 1990 03:05 | 15 |
| Tonight's stars:
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
DAUGHERTY C 37 5-16 3-6 5 4 9 7 2 1 2 13
MANNING F 43 9-19 5-8 4 7 11 6 5 3 4 23
BENJAMIN C 45 10-20 2-2 1 4 5 8! 4 1 1 22
BLOCKED SHOTS: LAC - BENJAMIN 7...
MILLER G 46 11-18 6-8 1 1 2 1 2 2 4 31
EWING C 42 11-19 16-20 5 7 12 3 5 0 4 38
JORDAN G 46 17-32 8-8 3 0 3 5 3 2 3 44
ROBINSON C 41 10-17 13-16 6 15 21 6 5 1 5 33
BLOCKED SHOTS: CHI - KING. SAS - ROBINSON 5.
HORNACEK G 32 13-16 4-4 2 0 2 9 1 3 1 30
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| 8.468 | Worried too much about image instead of winning? | SHALOT::MEDVID | Your own personal Jesus | Tue Feb 06 1990 18:56 | 59 |
| Yunz is gonna love dis! Why is Charlotte the worst team in the league?
Why is Digital doomed to failure and IBM so successful? Read on...
From today's Charlotte Observer:
Shinn: A Coach Should Be Dressing For Success
Charlotte Hornest owner George Shinn said he felt his published
comments that he wouldn't hire Doug Moe to coach the team because Moe
didn't wear a white shirt and tie should have further explained his
philosophy. Here are some more of Shinn's thoughts:
Dressing For Success -- "It has been proven historically in the
business world that people tend to perform better when they look their
best and act their best. NOt only in the business world, in the sports
world. The top-dressed coaches in the NBA won the last three NBA
championships.
"Chuck Daley and Pat Riley have been one-two on the best dressed list.
They believe in it. They have brought pride in their communities.
Look at Doug Moe, he and Frank Layden, they have consistently been the
worst dressed and how many championships have they won?"
Changing A Perception -- "If you go back to when I was trying to get a
franchise, I have taken particular consideration that people were
runniing down our community as a hick town. I tried to look my
best...I made an impression on NBA ownership. I'm convinced a lot of
it had to do with the way I looked and presented myself.
"Games played in Charlotte are televised back to the visiting team's
hometown, and I want to reflect the image of the town we live in.
"If a guy is sitting on the bench in an open shirt, looking sloppy, he
projects one kind of image."
Interviewing For The First Coach -- "When coaches came here for their
job interview, all had on white shirts and ties. I never heard one
complain.
"If Doug Moe would be considered for our job, I believe he would
reconsider (how he dresses)."
What About Blue Shirts? -- "Blue shirts? I'm not going to criticize
anybody for wearing a blue shirt. Coach Harter wore some striped
shirts.
"Chuck Duncan, owner of Jack Wood Ltd., has helped pick those out.
Chuck called me a couple months ago and suggested I relax a bit on
solid white shirts. He asked about allowing my people to wear some
pinstripes. I told him to go ahead and pick some out if they tied in
well with the suit and tie.
"I'm not stupid, I'm not onesided. I'm not trying to force something
down someone's throat."
On Lakers Coach Pat Riley -- "I wouldn't recommend any of our coaches
grease their hair down like this."
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| 8.469 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue Feb 06 1990 19:11 | 10 |
|
UNBELIEVABLE!
Yet another member of the brainwashed masses. You sit in YOUR spot,
you do as you are told, you question nothing and above all you had
better act and look exactly like all of the other clones. Don't even
think about showing any individuality.
HOOT
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| 8.470 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | ACC=ACookedCrisp | Wed Feb 07 1990 10:11 | 6 |
| Hey, I think I am gonna apply for the head coach of the Hornets.
My 12 years of wearing uniforms in Catholic schools should make
me a qualified applicant. It's going to be a long haul for Charlotte
fans.
/Don
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| 8.471 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Wed Feb 07 1990 11:35 | 4 |
| Hey, that ol' Red Aurbach was quite a dresser wasn't he! Those
jackets he wore could be picked up on RADAR, and he really looked
dapper with that ceegar stuck in his puss!
Denny
|
| 8.472 | 5 of the top 10 | SHALOT::MEDVID | Your own personal Jesus | Wed Feb 07 1990 11:56 | 14 |
| On WRFX radio in Charlotte this morning they did a "Top 10 Things You
Shouldn't Wear to Interview for the Hornets Head Coaching Job." I
can't remember all of them, but here are a few:
- a WRFX sweatshirt
- a paisly Nehru jacket
- a baseball cap that says "Damn I'm Good"
- home of the whopper boxer shorts
and my favorite:
- a headband that says "Shinn Happens"
|
| 8.473 | | CAM::WAY | | Wed Feb 07 1990 12:08 | 22 |
| Another team that will go far.
This owner is a piece of work.
Contrast that with our own 'owner':
One time we were shown a video of KO, which I'm sure many of you
have seen. I remember him telling the audience (predominantly
engineers) that he didn't care what they wore, he didn't care
how long their hair was, just as long as it was *not* a coverup
for incompetence...
It'll sound like this...
-Oh yes, the Charlotte coach is looking dapper tonight, Al.
-Right Billy, that $700 Brooks Brothers suit he looks sharp.
-Yes, but he still needs to sharpen his coaching skills.
-Right, especially in light of the incident last night where he
kept trying to use that zone defense..
-Well, he'll learn,....
|
| 8.474 | Big Win for Lakers | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Go UCONN! Kick Big East Butt!! | Wed Feb 07 1990 12:10 | 6 |
| The Lakers won in Portland last night, 121-119 in OT, to go 1 1/2 games
up on the Blazers. Portland had won 12 in a row at home and were, I
believe, 21-2 there before last night. Magic had a triple; Worthy had
25; and Mychal Thompson had his season-high -- 24 points.
Laker_Ken
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| 8.475 | Layden was a comedian, too bad he left | PNO::HEISER | eschew obfuscation | Wed Feb 07 1990 12:19 | 9 |
| Sounds like it was a great game! That's a BIG win for anyone, Portland
is a tough place to play.
Re: Coach's attire
That blurb about Frank Layden made me laugh. He's the only other coach
(other than Riles) to coach the Western All-Stars this decade!!
Mike
|
| 8.476 | Everybody wins in Texas | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Feb 07 1990 13:13 | 6 |
| The Spurs won their 20th straight home game by soundly defeating the
Hawks last night. They are starting to call their home court
"HemisFear" Arena. With the win they have climbed back into a 1 game
lead over Utah in the Midwest.
Dallas and Houston were both winners last night.
|
| 8.478 | A definite improvement in SA | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Feb 07 1990 13:38 | 5 |
| 8.479 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 07 1990 13:39 | 7 |
|
re: .474
Thanks for the info. Great job by the Lakers to win this tough
one on the road.
sean
|
| 8.480 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | WWII, the big one | Wed Feb 07 1990 13:53 | 4 |
| Hey Mike Heiser, I'm going to see your Suns tonight vs. the Sonics.
Caint wait to see Barros take KJ to town! ;-)
JD
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| 8.481 | | PNO::HEISER | eschew obfuscation | Wed Feb 07 1990 16:21 | 11 |
| > <<< Note 8.480 by RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO "WWII, the big one" >>>
> Hey Mike Heiser, I'm going to see your Suns tonight vs. the Sonics.
> Caint wait to see Barros take KJ to town! ;-)
They aren't just my Suns, they're Doc's and Ken's too! Barros would
only take KJ to town after the game for some fine dining!
The game is on local TV and I'll be watching. I'll look for the guy
with the lats!
Mike
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| 8.482 | With resume in hand... | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Proposals - the Devils work | Wed Feb 07 1990 16:51 | 10 |
| Mike,
The Lats will be tough to see. Going straight from work. Heard
the game is being shown in the Charlotte area, so I'm all decked
out - 3 piece Brooks Brothers suit, Italian shoes, NO grease in
my hair, lats rippling under the hand tailored shirt. I figure
I can make more money coaching Charlotte. Plus, I could rest a
brew on JR's butt while I coach the team....
JD :-)
|
| 8.483 | That Larry Brown sure can coach | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Wed Feb 07 1990 17:31 | 10 |
| 8.484 | Elgin Baylor was always my favorite ;^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | Tyson to sucker Hogan, I hope | Wed Feb 07 1990 17:46 | 13 |
|
Celtics turnaround was the best Dan at 32 games but then again you knew
that, you just couldn't bring yourself around to saying the Celtics
were the best at something other than rules violations....
This just proves the utter hostility that the Lakers' fan still feel
from all the whoopings they have taken from the Celtics. It's a shame
to when you consider how many Celtics fans are able to praise the
Lakers in particular Magic....
;^)
mike
|
| 8.485 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 07 1990 18:26 | 8 |
|
What? No one mentioned the Celtics 119-106 loss to the Bucks
at *home? Bet they wished they kept Roberts and Lohaus after that
outing!
* 'artferd,connecticut
sean
|
| 8.486 | Tim Hardaway Golden Warrior | ACE::SPEREZ | | Wed Feb 07 1990 20:10 | 9 |
| Wac Player of the Year
NBA Player of the Week
Whats next Rookie Player of the Year?
Boston you missed out on Hardaway surely could have used his point
guard talent.
Have you forgotten Nate the Skate Archibald "The Bears Cubs"
|
| 8.487 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Feb 07 1990 20:26 | 5 |
| 8.488 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Thu Feb 08 1990 13:59 | 11 |
|
Hardaway over Robinson for rookie of the year?? Are you kidding???
Philly streak got busted last night at home against Golden State.
Mitch Richmond got the rebound off a missed shot that Barkely should
have snared with second left, put it back up and hit the shot, got
fouled with .3 seconds left. Hope I didn't miss anything else (a
Chicago rerun?) because I turned the tv off after that. What
happened in the Chicago-Lakers game??? (my two favorite teams :)
thanks,
sean
|
| 8.489 | | ANALYZ::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Thu Feb 08 1990 14:22 | 2 |
| Lakers 121
Bulls 103
|
| 8.490 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Thu Feb 08 1990 14:47 | 3 |
|
Bulls kept it close for the 1st half and then the Lakers walked away
with it in the 2nd half.
|
| 8.491 | Lakers=last year Knicks from 3 | CNTROL::CHILDS | Tyson to sucker Hogan, I hope | Thu Feb 08 1990 14:53 | 7 |
|
The Bulls did make a couple of runs in the second half once cutting the
lead to 6 but the dreaded Lakers did pretty much control the second
half. Again excellent switching of defensive assignments by the Lakers
was the key. Boy they really miss the big guy....~/~
mike
|
| 8.492 | Hollywood | SHALOT::HUNT | Thirtysomething Mutant Ninja Daddy | Thu Feb 08 1990 15:22 | 9 |
| And, boy oh boy, were the stars ever out in full flair at the
Fabulous Forum last night ...
I counted Walter Matthau, Dyan Cannon, Louis Gossett, Jr, Chevy
Chase, Don Johnson, and, of course, Jack Nicholson.
Anybody see any more ???
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.493 | I was sittin' behing Mac again! | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Thu Feb 08 1990 15:24 | 2 |
| Yeah, but will they show up for the Hornets?
Denny
|
| 8.494 | hey we got Michael Smith whoopie ;^( | CNTROL::CHILDS | Tyson to sucker Hogan, I hope | Thu Feb 08 1990 15:32 | 9 |
|
or any other game not covered by a national TV output. I know Jack
and Walter will but I have my doubts about the rest of them. Why
doesn't Dyan just come braless so we can really see them jiggle?
We all know how much I love the Lakers but the detest I feel for them
right now is at an all time high. Why? VLAD DIVAC!
mike
|
| 8.495 | | ANALYZ::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Thu Feb 08 1990 16:02 | 10 |
| .493:
I'm betting there will be even more stars for the Hornets game- that's
because they retire Jabbar's # that day.
I can't believe that they chose the Hornets game to do it at- a much
more fitting game (IMO) would have been the Celts-Lakers game coming up
on the 18th. Oh well...
Sameer
|
| 8.496 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | Wimp football rules! | Thu Feb 08 1990 17:00 | 6 |
|
Lakers haven't been drawing that well at home, believe it or not.
Something like 15 non-sell outs already. They are probably using
the Jabbar thing to get some fans to the game.
Bruce
|
| 8.497 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Thu Feb 08 1990 17:10 | 5 |
|
WHAAAAT! 15 no sell outs *this* season???? That's pretty hard
to believe, unless of course they're playing when surf's up, dude...
sean
|
| 8.498 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | WitnessProtectionProgram | Thu Feb 08 1990 17:24 | 6 |
| Maybe they charge ridiculous ticket prices. I see that things
haven't changed in Philly. 12 wins in a row and they still couldn't
sell out the Spectrum. Must be nice to go to a ball game when the
urge hits you though.
/Don
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| 8.499 | | LUNER::BROOKS | DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS | Thu Feb 08 1990 17:39 | 7 |
| Tell me about it ... if I was living near Philly or LA, I'd have
bulit a bedroom in the Spectrum or Forum ....
BTW, you Cetwit fans can start the early pre-production of excuses
as to why you guys will get nuked earl in the playoffs this year.
Doc
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| 8.500 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | WitnessProtectionProgram | Thu Feb 08 1990 17:43 | 5 |
| No excuses here Doc. Every team gets old. Even your 1990
favorites will get old. Of course by then you will undoubtedly
have new favorite teams. 8^)
/Don
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| 8.501 | He's no Mormon, but he'll do. | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Go UCONN! Kick Big East Butt!! | Thu Feb 08 1990 17:54 | 10 |
| I find it hard to believe that there have been about 15 non-soldouts at
the Forum this season. I thought the tickets were all bought up in
advance. Now, it certainly wouldn't surprize me to hear that the
actual gate attendance was less than capacity.
Yeah, Divac sure does look good. He's playing about 20 mpg these days,
almost splitting the center time with Mychal Thompson. Do you think
Red would have taken Divac if Vlade were a Mormon? ;)
Laker_Ken
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| 8.502 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | Wimp football rules! | Thu Feb 08 1990 18:06 | 8 |
|
THe article I got the info from was commenting that the Warriors
now have the longest consecutive home sell out streak in Cal, something
like 40+ games. They were followed by, believe it or not, the Clips
who had sold out something like 8 straight games. They were talking
sell outs, not no shows.
Bruce
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| 8.503 | Akeem wants out of Houston | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Feb 08 1990 19:06 | 3 |
| Grumblings in Houston: Akeem Olajawon has said that he wants to be
traded unless management makes moves to put together a winning team.
He wants to play for a contender.
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| 8.504 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Thu Feb 08 1990 19:14 | 17 |
|
All right! Down the middle to Worthy.. Down the middle to
Majit(tm)... Down the middle to.. Akeem?? YEAH!!!!!
If Akeem does decide to leave Houston that will have to be some
major trade. He *is* the backbone of the team and arguably the
*best* center around today. Teams Akeem would look good on:
San Antonio: Just think about those twin towers Robinson&Akeem!
Utah: K. Malone and Akeem.. ooo! what a combo!
Lakers: move over Vlade, now there something meatier...
Portland: Akeem, Williams and Drexler?? Think about the slam
dunks!!
Let's face it.. Akeem will make a nice addition to any team...
sean
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| 8.505 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good Bye! | Thu Feb 08 1990 19:17 | 9 |
| >> Not with the way David Robinson is playing. FWIW Robinson was named
>> Rookie of the Month for January. He has been named that a couple of
>> times, I believe.
Three times. Once in November, once in December, and once in January. A cinch
for rookie of the year.
j.
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| 8.506 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Thu Feb 08 1990 19:20 | 9 |
| > Three times. Once in November, once in December, and once in January. A cinch
> for rookie of the year.
Not only that, he is in the running for player of the year along
with Ewing, Jordan, Johnson, etc.. San Antonio made a WISE choice
picking him up because it also gave them 2 more years to finish
horribly and get good picks...
sean
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| 8.507 | Have jumpshot will travel | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Thu Feb 08 1990 19:57 | 11 |
| >Three times. Once in November, once in December, and once in January. A cinch
>for rookie of the year.
Don't be too sure. Last night, after the Celtics game, I walked on to
the fabled parquet and pantomimed my famous jump shot a few times.
Second later I was being whisked away upstairs and was face to face
with his smug ugliness, Red ScowlBack. He wanted to sign me on the
spot as his new shooting guard, but I told him a might have a few other
commitments. If he lands me, Robinson will have a run for his money.
Dan
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| 8.508 | Will Magic do back to back MVPs? | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Thu Feb 08 1990 20:00 | 12 |
| BTW, wasn't the TarHeel update nice last night? TNT kept telling is
how those two star UNC grads were doing. I think Worthy finished with
30 and Jordan with 32. I hope Doug got home in time to appreciate the
fine company Micheal keeps. Mike, I know you must have got a kick out
of it.
Lakers looked good which made me feel better after dropping two last
week, and not looking so hot against the Hawks in a win. A number of
times this year, I've already heard that Magic looks like the MVP
frontrunner? What does everyone else think?
Dan
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| 8.509 | Akeem The Green! | PNO::HEISER | eschew obfuscation | Thu Feb 08 1990 20:00 | 1 |
| He'd be better off in Boston or Phoenix :-)
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| 8.510 | MVP | PNO::HEISER | eschew obfuscation | Thu Feb 08 1990 20:02 | 3 |
| Ewing deserves it this year! The Knicks would be nowhere without him!
Mike
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| 8.511 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Thu Feb 08 1990 20:03 | 5 |
| > He'd be better off in Boston or Phoenix :-)
Oh joy... my favorite teams, 1 and 2...
sean
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| 8.512 | | REFINE::ASHE | Walt's Wackos: 1989 FFL champions! | Thu Feb 08 1990 22:52 | 2 |
| Detroit just keeps winning. Who was it that was concerned about the
slow start?
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| 8.513 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | WitnessProtectionProgram | Fri Feb 09 1990 10:50 | 5 |
| Magic MVP? Gee it would be nice to see someone from my third
favorite team win it. Of course my favorite team is the Celtics,
then everybody else in the league, then the Lakers.
/Don
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| 8.514 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Fri Feb 09 1990 11:07 | 2 |
| Don't forget about Charles Barkley folks!
Denny
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| 8.515 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | New Sears=Old K-Mart | Fri Feb 09 1990 12:26 | 19 |
|
Last nght the Sixers got hosed big time in Orlando. The officials
called a foul on Mahorn during the third periord, said it was the
Sixers third team foul, and gave the ball back to Orlando. Sixteen
seconds later, Reggie Theus scored for the Magic. Now, fast forward to
the break between the third and fourth period. The refs now decide that
the Mahorn foul was the fifth team foul and give Terry Catlidge two
foul shots (he made both), but allowed the Reggie Theus shot to stand
as well. The officials decided that this was a correctable error, but
in the process gave the Magic and extra possesion which resulted in an
extra two points for the magic. And guess what the final margin in the
game was? Two points.
Also, during the game, Terry Catlidge swung at Rick Mahorn after being
called on a foul. This resulted in a double technical. Near as I can
tell, you now can get a technical for being attacked by Terry Catlidge.
The overall officiating was horrendous both ways, but it ended up
costing the Sixers.
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| 8.516 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Tyson to sucker Hogan, I hope | Fri Feb 09 1990 12:54 | 10 |
|
Sorry Dan but Michael still does it all better than Magic. Bulls
would still be a whole lot worst without him than the Lakers
without Magic. Lakers excellent zone switching defense cover up
Magic's definencies in this area....
But I will begrudgingly say this Riles deserves the coach of the
year hands down.
mike
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| 8.517 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | Life'sAfemaleDog!? WhatayaMean? | Fri Feb 09 1990 13:49 | 5 |
| Jordan looked horrible last night aagainst the Nuggets, and the Bulls
got stomped. It *was* the last game of a four game road trip for them, but I
still think jordan looked sick or something.
Mike JN
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| 8.518 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Feb 09 1990 13:50 | 11 |
| 8.519 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Fri Feb 09 1990 14:14 | 10 |
|
Looks like the Pacers are getting back into gear.
Mike,
The Bulls announcers said Jordan has had a cold and that the team
didn't arrive in Denver until 4:00 AM for the 7:30 PM game. He did
look lethargic but the Nuggets played some good defense on him also.
HOOT
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| 8.520 | y | SA1794::GUSICJ | Referees whistle while they work.. | Fri Feb 09 1990 15:16 | 13 |
|
re: .515
Your description of the Sixer/Orlando incident appears that
the officials were correct. It was a correctable error. Any points
that are scored during the time period allowed to correct the error
count for the team that scores them, so the ref's were right!
BTW, there are only 5 correctable errors in Basketball.
bill..g.
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| 8.521 | | CAM::WAY | | Fri Feb 09 1990 15:54 | 5 |
| 8.523 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Tyson to sucker Hogan, I hope | Fri Feb 09 1990 16:48 | 12 |
|
Yeah Mac and Brown will probably get it too which imo is a mistake.
Of course Brown's record should improve he add a franchise center,
a two posistion 20+ point a game forward, a proven point guard etc..
He traded for a competitive team that had no choice but to improve.
But them dam stinkin Lakers are playing better defense than ever
before, and the half court offense now involves everyone not just
Kareem and Worthy, they still can run and they're highly motivated.
Must be the coach, Magic's only human....
mike
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| 8.524 | | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Fri Feb 09 1990 16:58 | 12 |
| Don't worry Mike. I'm sure that at the end of the season, you'll have
a smile that ol' Magic'll want to buy. You see, the Lakers have a
history of choking and disappointing their faithful. The last few
years, well, let's just say they were "unlucky" and won a few
tittles(tm). See how they disappointed Jackie and Dyan lasted year,
not to mention our fellow SPORTSters who were ready leap off the Tobin?
:-) Well, this year won't be any different, believe me. Can you say
back-to-back? I knew that you could!
ABTL(tm) :-)
Hawk
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| 8.525 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Feb 09 1990 17:03 | 10 |
| I understand what you are saying, Mike, but Brown did have to make all
of these players work together to put up the Ws. To be able to make
that many changes in the off season, throw rookies in the starting
lineup along with seasoned veterans (who played for someone else) is
quite an accomplishment.
Personnel wise, this year's Lakers team is pretty much the same as last
year's and they have worked with Riley for years. OK, so he may have
added a few wrinkles, but it sounds more like he is doing fine tuning
than a major overhaul.
|
| 8.526 | thanks | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Fri Feb 09 1990 17:14 | 7 |
|
re: .524
Could you please remind me what the Lakers-Pistons record in
the NBA and record vs. each other is for this season?
sean
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| 8.527 | Just for you Dan | CNTROL::CHILDS | God is in the details | Fri Feb 09 1990 17:33 | 16 |
|
true Mac but any coach will tell ya all's he needs is players who
are willing to play their roles. Credit goes to Brown and the GM
for going out and getting those players but once that was done the
results were inevidable....
Riley has fine tuned the machine and take it to a new level. To be
able to motivate these guys every night after all that they have won
is remarkable I think....
put it these way either one would make a fine choice....
actually though now that I think about westhead maybe riles is just
a figure head and Magic should win coach of the year..~/~
mike
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| 8.528 | much obliged | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Fri Feb 09 1990 17:38 | 9 |
|
re: .526
Could you please remind me what the Lakers' championship series
won-lost record is? While you're at it, what is the Celtics'
championship series w-l record? I seem to have forgotten the
particulars........ :-)
the Whacker
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| 8.529 | okay, so it was a long week.... | CAM::WAY | Cliff Claven's my uncle! | Fri Feb 09 1990 17:42 | 7 |
| 8.530 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Fri Feb 09 1990 17:47 | 9 |
|
re: .528
Well within the last decade (all that matters since that's when
I started watching/rooting :)... How many eastern championships did Boston
get again? How the Celtics been doing the past 3 seasons, anyways?
Must be a rebuilding decade....
sean
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| 8.531 | ~/~ | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Feb 09 1990 17:51 | 5 |
| 8.532 | | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Fri Feb 09 1990 17:54 | 7 |
|
re: .530
I dunno. I'm only a Celtics fan when they win. :-) My memory only
goes back to my lasted beer. Don't axe when that was......
W.
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| 8.533 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Fri Feb 09 1990 17:55 | 6 |
|
re: .532
Agagaggagagagagggg. Good thing you aren't a Nets fan :)
sean
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| 8.534 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Fri Feb 09 1990 17:58 | 110 |
|
CELTICS AND LAKERS NBA DOMINANCE
o This is the NBA's 43rd championship (1989)
o Have played each other for title 10 times, with the Celtics
record being 8-2.
1959 Boston 4-0 Game 1 Boston 6-4
1962 Boston 4-3 Game 2 Lakers 4-6
1963 Boston 4-2 Game 3 Even 5-5
1965 Boston 4-1 Game 4 Boston 8-2
1966 Boston 4-3 Game 5 Lakers 4-5
1968 Boston 4-2 Game 6 Boston 5-3
1969 Boston 4-3 Game 7 Boston 4-0
1984 Boston 4-3
1985 Lakers 2-4
1987 Lakers 2-4
Total Celts 36-25 Total Celts 36-25
o The Celtics record in championship series is 16-3. Besides
the Lakers, they're 8-1 as follows:
1957 over St. Louis, 1960 over St. Louis, 1961 over St. Louis,
1964 over San Fran, 1974 over Milwaukee, 1976 over Phoenix,
1981 over Houston, 1986 over Houston
Lost to St. Louis in 1958
o The Lakers record in championship series is 11-12. Besides the
Celtics, they're 9-4 as follows:
1949 over Washington, 1950 over Syracuse, 1952 over New York,
1953 over New York, 1954 over Syracuse, 1972 over New York,
1980 over Philly, 1982 over Philly 1988 over Detroit
Lost to New York in 1970, New York in 1973, Philly in 1983 and
Detroit in 1989
o Of the NBA's 43 championship series, they've played each other
10 times. There have been 9 other series in which the Celtics
have not played the Lakers. There have been 12 other series in
which the Lakers have not played the Celtics. In the 43 NBA
championship series, there have been 86 teams. The Celtics and
Lakers have been 42 of these 86 teams! There have only 11
series in which neither team has played:
1979 Seattle over Washington
1978 Washington over Seattle
1977 Portland over Philadelphia
1975 Golden St over Washington
1971 Milwaukee over Baltimore
1967 Philadelphia over San Francisco
1956 Philadelphia over Fort Wayne
1955 Syracuse over Fort Wayne
1951 Rochester over New York
1948 Baltimore over Philadelphia
1947 Philadelphia over Chicago
o Notes on NBA franchise history
The Lakers were in Minneapolis through, I believe, the 1959-60
season. They were 5-1 in Minneapolis and 6-10 in Los Angeles.
The Philadelphia franchise was the Warriors until the early
sixties, at which time it moved to San Francisco. Wilt Chamber-
lain, a Philadelphia native, became a Warrior through an expan-
sion of the NBA's old territorial draft rule (which enabled the
Celtics to draft Tommy Heinsohn, because Holy Cross was in the
Celtics territory) to cover high school players! Wilt played at
Kansas before going to the Warriors. He set his 100 point game
record as a member of the Warriors in a game played at Hershey,
PA (then NBA used to be really big on neutral site games and
doubleheaders in which 4 teams played!). After going to San
Francisco, he was traded back to the Sixers and then to LA.
The Syracuse franchise was the Nationals until the early sixties
as well, at which time it moved to Philadelphia and became the
Seventy Sixers, replacing the Warriors in Philly. The Boston
rivalry with Syracuse was just as hot as the one with the Sixers
is now, in fact, you could usually count on at least one good
brawl with fans and Johnny Most going into voice three up there
each season. If you've ever been to a game at the Carrier Dome,
you can appreciate this, because the fans up there can be really
vicious! (Right, Joe Garbarino?)
The Fort Wayne Pistons are now the Detroit Pistons. The origin-
al owner of the team was named Fred Zollner who owned the Zoll-
ner Piston company, so they were originally called the Fort
Wayne Zollner Pistons.
The Rochester Royals are the NBA's most travelled franchise,
moving to Cincinnati, then Kansas City-Omaha, then Kansas City
only, then Sacramento.
The Chicago franchise (called the Stags, I believe) are now de-
funct. The Bulls didn't exist until sometime in the sixties.
The Washington franchise (called the Capitals) is also defunct.
Red Auerbach was the coach in 1949, marking the only time he
ever lost to the Lakers in a playoff series.
Despite the fact that the 1948 Baltimore franchise was called
the Bullets, it is also defunct. The current Bullets team was
first founded as the Chicago Zephyrs in the early sixties, moved
to Baltimore and then to Washington. The NBA took a very long
time to really get established in the Windy City.
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| 8.535 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Fri Feb 09 1990 17:59 | 6 |
|
re: .534
ack! pppht!! choke!!! cough!!! too much GREEN! turn it off!!
8^) sean
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| 8.536 | rollward.... | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Fri Feb 09 1990 18:01 | 1 |
| Thanks John! Somehow I knew you'd enter the stats!
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| 8.537 | y'al have a gude one | CNTROL::CHILDS | God is in the details | Fri Feb 09 1990 18:10 | 15 |
|
Ah Mac it's friday my mind and body are functioning as two seperate
units......
I think my system is ready for a purge and dump after all the goody two
shoes junk about the Fakers.....
ah feeling better already and John's .534 was just the tonic to do the
trick.....
thanks John....
Dan make sure to read .534 carefully there will be a test ;^)
mike
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| 8.538 | | CAM::WAY | Norm's best friend | Fri Feb 09 1990 18:10 | 19 |
| Howard Cosell, on John Hendry:
John Hendry, the man possesses a cornucopia of veritable plethoras
of statistics. Without a doubt one of the most astute statisticians
of his time.
I always wanted to interview John, but unfortunately he was never
available. He was always computing some new ratio. But one night,
one night I met the venerable John, when I was in a restaurant
in Boston... Let's roll the highlight film....
There I am getting out of my car, and entering the restaurant.
As we cut to the appetizer course, I look up and across the
room..right *THERE*, is John Hendry...
Yes, quite a meeting it was... A man of my cosunmate abundance
of vocabularic skills, and John Hendry, Statistician extraordinaire...
This is Howard Cosell, on Sports *BEAT*!
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| 8.539 | You axed for it! | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Fri Feb 09 1990 18:12 | 9 |
| Thanks, Howard. I am truly humbled to be in the humble presence
of the Humble One.
That's an old thing I did a couple of years ago, updated to reflect
the last couple of seasons.
Have a good weekend, y'all.
John
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| 8.540 | | SONG::ASHE | Poor ol' Johnny Ray.... | Fri Feb 09 1990 21:03 | 3 |
| re: 'saw.... that World Champion Detroit Pistons...
They've split with the Lakers this year... so?
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| 8.541 | | CAM::WAY | Paranoia strikes deep... | Mon Feb 12 1990 11:28 | 7 |
| re .-1:
Just stirring up the pot, and yankin' yer chain a leetle ;^)
(I don't pay hoops much nevermind when ya come right down to it...)
'Saw
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| 8.542 | It was a good game, though | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Feb 12 1990 13:51 | 3 |
| MVP voters: "Well, everyone on the East played great team basketball,
who should we give the MVP to? Gee, I don't know, it's so close. I
know, let's give it to Magic. He never won one before."
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| 8.543 | | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Thick as a brick | Mon Feb 12 1990 13:57 | 3 |
| How 'bout Jim Lynam(sp) from the Sixers for CoY??
Raider_Rich
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| 8.544 | Jordan makes fool out of himself in the shootout | ROULET::WHITEHAIR | Let it snow! | Mon Feb 12 1990 13:57 | 12 |
|
All-star game:
What was the scoring stats??? Ya know...who scored
what?
American Airlines Shootout:
Jordan scores only 5 points! HeHeHe What a joke he
was. Elo gets squeeked out in the first round. Bird also goes
out! HeHeHe Price got tired after tossing 15 balls. He was doing
good untill then.
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| 8.545 | Worthy of the spot? | SAGE::ROSS | Mandela free, now James Brown!!! | Mon Feb 12 1990 15:36 | 6 |
| Hope all those knowledgeable fans who voted A.C. Green and James Worthy
into the West starting lineup were happy. Quite a performance by the
two Laker All-stars. James was an awesome 1-11 for 2 points. Green
was 0-3.
Next year, maybe Karl Malone can live up to those standards.
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| 8.546 | | REFINE::ASHE | Poor ol' Johnny Ray.... | Mon Feb 12 1990 15:54 | 8 |
| Saw: As Lita Ford said..."Uh-huh...it ain't no big thang..."
I'd vote for Vercase ahead of Lynam, but Lynam's a good candidate.
Larry Brown has to be in the running too...
Re: Worthy and Green... who really cares?
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| 8.547 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 12 1990 15:56 | 11 |
|
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Green played the least minutes
of any player on the West team, and only Rodman of the East played
less minutes than Green.
Obviously he shouldn't have been there over Malone, but he didn't
play that much, thus the poor stats.
I didn't see the game, but if you're saying that Worthy wasn't
a "knowledgable" choice for the game let me remind you who leads
in ppg for the team with the best record in the NBA.
sean
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| 8.548 | Akeem the pathetic | ANALYZ::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Mon Feb 12 1990 15:58 | 13 |
| Hey- did'nt hear any mention of Akeems stats? He played pretty
awesome, eh? How come your not condemning his play? I'm not saying
that Worthy or AC played well (BTW- AC only played 12 mins), but if
your dishing out the criticism, lay out the whole story.
I thought Akeem sucked big time- defence or no defence, this guy
could'nt put in layups from under the basket. Pathetic- he was one of
the major contributors to the West loss. Magic would have had about
10-12 assists if the front court could have put the lay-ups in. The
way Akeem played yesterday, I would have no problem chosing Robinson
ahead of him.
Sameer
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| 8.549 | | HEURIS::METZGER | I will not Instigate Revolution | Mon Feb 12 1990 16:04 | 14 |
|
Re: akeem...
BFD...I twas an all-star game. Akeem was fouled 50% of the time he went to the
hoop. The refs could have called fouls almost any time a player went inside but
didn't because it's an all-star game and the fans just want to see SHOWTIME..
The game doesn't count for anything....You can't make rational evaluations
of player based upon their showing in an all-star game....
You guys take things toooooo seriously.....
Metz
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| 8.550 | only 5 more days to get your shots in | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Mon Feb 12 1990 16:05 | 11 |
| Easy on Doug. He's just doing his part as the fall guy. This coming Sunday is
Celtics-Lakers, National TV, Act II. And we all know what always happens
when James' sees All Stars Larry and Kevin on defense, don't we? Doug
always likes to step up the attack before the big games. It just makes
his falls that much worse.
I think in real league play, that when Bird blatantly shoves James as he zips by
him for a shot, that the refs might call a foul. It certainly wasn't being called
yesterday.
Dan
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| 8.551 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Feb 12 1990 16:18 | 16 |
| Ewing and Parish did a good job shutting down both Akeem and Robinson.
Riley's comments just added to the brewhaha over the selection of A.C.
Green. Riley felt that AC was getting slighted because of the fuss
that was made over Malone NOT getting selected. Riley said that he
felt AC deserved to be on the team and he would give Green every
opportunity to prove he should be out there. Apparently AC only
warranted 12 minutes. On the comparison with Rodman: Rodman was not a
first team All Star. Rodman did do what Rodman does best, play D and
rebound (and hotdog ;^}).
Anybody think Malone would have sat out had he been elected?
So, the East stopped Worthy from scoring (with or without the refs
help, depending on your point of view). Did he pick up his
rebounding/assists/defense/etc. to make up for it?
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| 8.552 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 12 1990 16:19 | 19 |
|
re: Akeem
Akeem's stats:
31 Minutes Played
2-14 FG
4-10 FT
9-16 Reb (O-T)
2 Assists
1 PF
8 points
So Akeem had a poor offensive day. Take a look at those 16 rebounds
if you need to be reconfirmed who is the best center today in the
NBA. Robinson is good, mind you, but Akeem is far more experienced
and is leading Robinson this season in all areas.
sean
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| 8.553 | Dominated the inside | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Mon Feb 12 1990 16:23 | 5 |
| I'll take a look at Akeem's rebounds, but I think Ewing definitely out played him.
Patrick Ewing is the best center in basketball today.
Dan
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| 8.554 | Just messing around | SAGE::ROSS | Mandela free, now James Brown!!! | Mon Feb 12 1990 16:32 | 4 |
| Worthy's game falls apart without the security of a structured program... where
he is told exactly what he is supposed to and not supposed to do. The
concept of freelancing is foreign to him. He may be an All-star player,
but he is evidently not an All-star "performer".
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| 8.555 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 12 1990 16:39 | 8 |
| I don't have any stats handy but I believe the only category
Ewing is leading Olajuwon in is Points per game. Olajuwon is
dominating the rebounding and blocked shot standings. I think
offensively the two are even. Akeems strength/quickness vs Ewing's
smart play/soft touch. Defensively I'd have to say Akeem however.
No one is more of a menace on the court...
sean
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| 8.556 | More mush from the discredited, envious, Worthy basher | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Go UCONN! Kick Big East Butt!! | Mon Feb 12 1990 16:54 | 16 |
| Of course it's ridiculous to make judgements about a player based on an exhibition
performance, but things are so bad for the Celts these days, that I guess Doug
will grasp onto anything. Worthy has had good All-Star appearances in previous
years. Yesterday was not one of them; big deal. The fact is that Worthy is
having a damn good year and is coming through for the team when they need it
in big games. He does whatever has to be done to help the team win. And he
doesn't go whining to the press like Bird has done this year.
It must be tough for Doug. Every time he watches the Celts play, he sees
opponents who are faster and quicker. Meanwhile, Bird and Lerch are dragging
their sorry butts up the floor slower than drunken lawn slugs. Every time he
tapes a Celtics game, he has to replay it at Fast Forward just to get them
moving at normal speed. And there's no immediate hope for a better future.
Oh well, suffer.
Laker_Ken
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| 8.557 | on with the 2nd half! | 33328::BMCWILLIAMS | Improvise if you have to ... | Mon Feb 12 1990 17:09 | 3 |
| Ugh. The All-Star break is finally over. The sports section of my newspaper has
been nothing but hockey and high school hoops for the past 4 days.
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| 8.558 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 12 1990 17:13 | 16 |
| I found it hard to believe that Boston has a better record than
Chicago before looking at this all important fact:
W L Streak Home Away Conf
Boston 28 18 Won 1 18-8 10-10 17-12
Chicago 28 19 Lost 4 18-2 10-17 14-11
Chicago has played SEVEN more games on the road than at home.
Boston has played SIX more games at home than away. Chicago has already
done it's tough West trip and has not done the easy one (Sacramento,
Golden State, etc..) whereas Boston has done the opposite.
When things start up again, watch for Boston's record to go down
and Chicago's to go considerable upwards, placing them above Boston
where they belong.
sean
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| 8.559 | zzzzz .... | LUNER::BROOKS | DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS | Mon Feb 12 1990 17:18 | 28 |
| re all
1) Yesterday was a **ALL-STAR** game ! Damn, why do you dodos take
it sooo seriously ? Hell it was an exhibition, nothing more or less.
If a player doesn well, good. If not, so what ? It doesn't do a
damn thing in the W-L columns, or help at contract time.
re .553
Dan, you're full of brountasouros feces. That's the NY bias ("If you
play well in NY, you're The Greatest, otherwise, who cares ?") showing
all over that.
Akeem has **CLEARLY** outplayed Ewing for the previous FIVE years.
PERIOD. No questions asked.
And this year, Ewing is having a great season, esp. scoring and
shotblocking. But Akeem is still outrebounding him, and has more
steals (and almost as many blocks).
And all of the sudden, Ewing 'is the best center in basketball today'.
Give me a break.
DrM
p.s. I've nothing aginst Ewing or the Knicks, but this East Coast
bias is sickening to me. What a load of crap.
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| 8.560 | Another Worthy apologist | SAGE::ROSS | Mandela free, now James Brown!!! | Mon Feb 12 1990 17:22 | 18 |
| > <<< Note 8.556 by CUPTAY::TESSIER "Go UCONN! Kick Big East Butt!!" >>>
>It must be tough for Doug. Every time he watches the Celts play, he sees
>opponents who are faster and quicker. Meanwhile, Bird and Lerch are dragging
Not that the Celtics performance this year has anything to with James Worthy,
but I have not claimed to be a Celtic fan for several years now and honestly
don't care if they win or lose. I am a fan of Bird and McHale and that's
about it. Both are playing as well or better than Worthy this year.
So your whole speech is meaningless to me.
IF (LAKERS_BASHED) THEN
BASHEE := CELTICS_FAN;
CALL BASH_CELTICS(CELTICS_FAN);
END-IF
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| 8.561 | | LUNER::BROOKS | DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS | Mon Feb 12 1990 17:22 | 15 |
| re .556
Great reply L_K. Doug knows that we will be talking 3-out-of-4-peat,
while the slow, sorry, Celts will descend to a gory crash and burn
over the next month.
Let's enjoy it shall we ?
BTW, how about Bird's whining and sulking in the three-pt. contest ?
He really showed a lot of class towards Reggie Miller didn't he ?
See y'all in the Cetlic Bash Note ...
DrM
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| 8.562 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 12 1990 17:26 | 8 |
|
re: Ewing
Are you sure Ewing is outblocking Akeem??? Last I knew Akeem
was averaging something like 4.3 blocks a game, at least 1.5 points
above the next person.
sean
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| 8.563 | How about that McHale 3-pointer | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Feb 12 1990 17:29 | 5 |
| 8.564 | | SAGE::ROSS | Mandela free, now James Brown!!! | Mon Feb 12 1990 17:31 | 15 |
| > <<< Note 8.561 by LUNER::BROOKS "DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS" >>>
> Great reply L_K. Doug knows that we will be talking 3-out-of-4-peat,
> while the slow, sorry, Celts will descend to a gory crash and burn
> over the next month.
Great reply, sure. Except it was 100% off the mark. I am not
a Celtics fan. Get it? I AM NOT A CELTICS FAN. I said it
two years ago. As long as DJ, Bagley, and Paxson remain on the
roster, I will not be a Celtics fan. As long as Red Auerbach has
his hands in the operation of the team, I will not be a Celtics
fan.
The Celtics have arrogantly ignored the concept of maintaining
excellence by hanging onto players past their prime.
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| 8.565 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 12 1990 17:33 | 7 |
| > The Celtics have arrogantly ignored the concept of maintaining
> excellence by hanging onto players past their prime.
Better throw out Parish, McHale and Bird then... They're not
through *yet*, but definitely past their prime...
sean
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| 8.566 | | SAGE::ROSS | Open wide and say 'Ungh' | Mon Feb 12 1990 17:41 | 21 |
| <<< Note 8.565 by LEVERS::STROUT "Color our world blackened..." >>>
> Better throw out Parish, McHale and Bird then... They're not
> through *yet*, but definitely past their prime...
I called for the Celts to trade Bird before the season started.
Unfortunately, due to the salary cap and the fact that they waited
a year too long, trading any of the above is impossible.
I still think a deal for McHale to Minnesota would help both
teams. Minnesota for a couple years and the Celtics in a couple
years.
I'm happy with Kleine, Pinckney, Lewis... and think Charles
Smith has a place at the end of the bench. I also think Michael
Smith could end up being a surprising player... not an All-star,
but a valuable 7th or 8th man good for some points off the bench.
But as long as DJ, Paxson, and Bagley are out there, they are
hurting the long-term growth.
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| 8.567 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 12 1990 17:48 | 11 |
|
How many years left does Bird have anyways? Seems to me Parish
will be gone in a few (36 years old?). I'm not sure how old McHale
is (33? same as Bird?) but I wouldn't count on him staying more
than 3 years. DJ should be out soon too... That means that within
the next 4-5 years the Celtics are going to be looking at a major
change. I do agree that Paxson, Bagley and DJ should be gone.
Their playing time could go to developing younger players and preparing
them for the future.
sean
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| 8.568 | Doc, getting as blusterous as MrT | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Mon Feb 12 1990 18:12 | 16 |
| > Akeem has **CLEARLY** outplayed Ewing for the previous FIVE years.
> PERIOD. No questions asked.
It's not as clear as you think. And I didn't address the question of the last
five years. In the last two years, Ewing is the better center.
As for the bluster of your remark, and it's stupid indictment of the NY bias,
Doc, I live in the Boston area and root for an LA team and a NJ team (and
I don't switch with the team's fortunes or misfortunes). I grew up disliking
the Knicks for a variety of reasons. There was no bias in my statement
whatsoever. I resent that you even suggest that there was.
Perhaps, if you played and studied them game to a greater degree you'd
develop an appreciation for what makes a team better.
Dan
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| 8.569 | | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Shoot James Brown | Mon Feb 12 1990 18:24 | 6 |
| No mention of Sir Charles' wicked block of an Akeem shot??
Awesome feat for a guy 6'5" to block a shot off the hand of a seven
footer. Barkley's haid was above the rim!! Also, FWIW, Akeem leads
the NBA in blocks-per-game, but I dont know the numbers.
Raider_Rich
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| 8.570 | | SAGE::ROSS | Open wide and say 'Ungh' | Mon Feb 12 1990 18:26 | 15 |
| > <<< Note 8.568 by HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER "When it hits, you feel okay" >>>
>In the last two years, Ewing is the better center.
I agree. Akeem lacks the court sense that Ewing has, but has
the physical tools to overcome it. I believe Akeem also leads
the league in turnovers.
>I don't switch with the team's fortunes or misfortunes).
If that was a knock on me, so be it. But I question people
who claim to be "fans" of consistently bad teams. Or who support
a team no matter what it does or who the players are. Where's the
logic in that? It's mental masochism to root for the Nets.
The Exit 17W Nets, that is. :-)
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| 8.571 | Give the Nets 2 #1 picks this year, please | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Mon Feb 12 1990 18:41 | 23 |
| > If that was a knock on me, so be it. But I question people
> who claim to be "fans" of consistently bad teams. Or who support
> a team no matter what it does or who the players are. Where's the
> logic in that? It's mental masochism to root for the Nets.
> The Exit 17W Nets, that is. :-)
It wasn't addressing you, but the person who wrote the note who accused
my opinion of Ewing to be sabatoged by the East Coast media, or some
other ridiculous point.
It is some sort of masochism to root for the Nets, but they have rewarded
on occasion. The ABA days, first with Barry, then with Erving. The playoff
series when Micheal Ray and company beat the supposedly awesome
Sixers with the "stolen" DrJ. The win against the Celts this year, when they
only gave up 6 points in the second quarter.
Okay, it's slim, but they stick with me.
I have seen Ewing's game grow every year, and enormously in the last 2.
I can't say the same for Akeem. In another year, Doctor Midnight will
be a "long-time" Knick and Ewing fan.
Dan
|
| 8.572 | Well why didn't you say so in the first place? | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Go UCONN! Kick Big East Butt!! | Mon Feb 12 1990 18:45 | 39 |
| Re. .564:
Oh I get it. You're a bandwagon jumper. Now it's all clear. I love this line
about how you won't return to being a Celtics fan until they get rid of DJ,
the BagMan, etc. How convenient. Your suffering is even worse than I originally
suspected. Most Celts' fans at least suffer through the bad times because they
have faith that eventually the team will turn it around. But not you. You
jumped off the wagon 2 years ago, just when things were starting to look bleak.
And now you're off in some no-man's land with nobody to root for. Hence, you
can only derive your hoop satisfaction by inventing and propagating a senseless
campaign against one of the greatest players in the game today -- James Worthy,
and reveling in his occasional subpar performance.
It's a sad picture, but it's all so clear now. As the 80s drew to a close, it
became obvious that the Lakers had set a trend that teams seeking to be successful
in the 90s would follow -- namely, that to win you had to have speed, quickness,
and aggressive defense. Being an astute student of the game, you naturally
picked up on this and quickly realized that your beloved Green were heading in
the opposite direction. One day while daydreaming, you saw a horrible vision
of what your Celts would look like in the not too distant future. You saw the
same old faces, slower than ever. You saw Lerch running up the floor, but soon
the hardwood turned into a downward escalator and Lerch was trying desperately
to run up the stairs and failing miserably. You saw Larry with a cane, hobbling
along in a pitiable manner, until finally he stumbled to the floor and screached
out, "Help. I've fallen and I can't get up!!!"
All this was too much to take. So you abandonned ship. But you still were not
allowed to rest in peace because every June when you turned on your TV, there
were the Lakers playing that fast-break style of ball. And there was James
Worthy, streaking down the floor, cruising in for the most graceful finishes
to the most beautiful breaks. He was the one who was reminding you of your
former team's lameness. He was the one who drove you away. He was your personal
torturer.
So now when the frustration, the envy, and jealousy get too much, you strike
out at James in the hopes of finding some cheap, temporary relief. Well, we
ain't buying it. We see through you. ;)
Laker_Ken
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| 8.573 | The Weak, the slow, the Inept : The Celtics | LUNER::BROOKS | DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS | Mon Feb 12 1990 18:52 | 14 |
| re .572
Ken, that was AWESOME stuff. You do me proud !
re Dan,
You're in the minority there bub. Akeem's game will go up yet another
notch when the Rockets get a real point guard.
But of course nobody ever used the words 'facts' and 'Schenider'
in the same sentence.
DrM
DrM
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| 8.574 | Worthy apologists have thin skins | SAGE::ROSS | Open wide and say 'Ungh' | Mon Feb 12 1990 18:57 | 50 |
| > <<< Note 8.572 by CUPTAY::TESSIER "Go UCONN! Kick Big East Butt!!" >>>
> -< Well why didn't you say so in the first place? >-
>Oh I get it. You're a bandwagon jumper. Now it's all clear. I love this line
I heartily admit to being a bandwagon jumper. Except I don't jump on
and off with each win. I imagine you're another one of the long-time
Laker fans who have been there since before Magic arrived.
>How convenient. Your suffering is even worse than I originally
>suspected. Most Celts' fans at least suffer through the bad times because they
>have faith that eventually the team will turn it around. But not you. You
>jumped off the wagon 2 years ago, just when things were starting to look bleak.
Since you don't know anything about me or my history of rooting
for teams, I'll let you ramble on. I have been critical of the
Celtics for many years.... probably since the day they drafted
Michael Young. I gave up on them as a team when it was obvious
they were not going to do anything to continue to be a great team.
Why should I support a team that has players who are washed up?
Because I'm a FAN??? or is it FANATIC?
>And now you're off in some no-man's land with nobody to root for. Hence, you
>can only derive your hoop satisfaction by inventing and propagating a senseless
>campaign against one of the greatest players in the game today -- James Worthy,
>and reveling in his occasional subpar performance.
So? I don't root for any team... and since you are relatively
new to this note, you might realize that I have taken an anti-Worthy
position for over four years. I didn't just come up with it to
fill a void. Like I said, you know nothing about what me and
what you say is totally untrue.
>same old faces, slower than ever. You saw Lerch running up the floor, but soon
>the hardwood turned into a downward escalator and Lerch was trying desperately
>to run up the stairs and failing miserably. You saw Larry with a cane, hobbling
>along in a pitiable manner, until finally he stumbled to the floor and screached
>out, "Help. I've fallen and I can't get up!!!"
Sad. Your "Lerch" is a better player than any Laker but Magic.
Resorting to name-calling based soley on physical appearance shows
just how weak your case is.
>So now when the frustration, the envy, and jealousy get too much, you strike
>out at James in the hopes of finding some cheap, temporary relief. Well, we
>ain't buying it. We see through you. ;)
Nice fantasy. Totally wrong.
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| 8.575 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 12 1990 18:58 | 20 |
| re: .572
wow!! are you selling the movie rights to that story?? what
a classic shakespeare tragedy! &-)
Looks like there's a definite shift in the last couple of years
from east to west dominance (and I'm not talking about the *all* star
games). Outside of Detroit I don't see any other East contender for
the champeenship (NY seems to be losing it...)
FWIW I've seen both Ewing and Akeem play. I have to say that
I don't understand why people think Ewing is so much better than
Akeem??? Is it because when he started out he gave a subpar
performance and in the last 2 years is now coming to his expected
level of play?
Akeem had an immediate effect from the first tipoff of his rookie
year. He has only gotten better. Arguable this is the best season
of his career.
sean
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| 8.576 | | SAGE::ROSS | Open wide and say 'Ungh' | Mon Feb 12 1990 19:00 | 13 |
| > <<< Note 8.573 by LUNER::BROOKS "DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS" >>>
> Ken, that was AWESOME stuff. You do me proud !
I'm sure he does.
> You're in the minority there bub. Akeem's game will go up yet another
> notch when the Rockets get a real point guard.
Akeem's game won't go up another notch until he gets a brain
transplant. He is a totally instinctive player. Ewing
has both the physical skills and understands the game.
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| 8.577 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | 214 inches in 17 days | Mon Feb 12 1990 19:06 | 20 |
| Doc,
In the last two years, Ewing has outplayed Akeem. Remember, Doc,
that stats don't tell teh whole story. Instead of crying and whining
about East Coast Bias, why don't you admit to your own Bias? Something
you have a hard time doing. I'm a Knicks fan, but until last year,
Akeem was much better in the pros than Ewing. However, as Doug
pointed out, Patrick has much better court sense - something that
isn't measured in mere numbers, than Akeem. He's also a better
leader and team player. The fact that Akeem hasn't lifted the rockets
off the launching pad is proof positive of that. Now Doc, back
to bias, the fack (tm) that you lived in Houston has absolutely
no bearing in your admonishment of Ewing and praise of Akeem?
The fack (tm) that you are a fan of the ROckets (along wiht a zillion
other teams) has nothing to do with your praise of Akeem?\
Nothing wrong with it, Doc, just don't go hiding behind the convenient
line of East Coast Bias.
JD
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| 8.578 | no way Sarge and Dan | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celtics destroy/destroyed the/by West | Mon Feb 12 1990 19:17 | 28 |
|
You guys are joking right? Patrick better than Akeem hahaaaaa...
Sure he can pass better and maybe he understand the game better,
which he should given that he's been playing it all his life.
Patrick can't hold a candle to Akeem when it comes to rebounding
and isn't that the true measure of the man in the middle?
Offense is even, both are equally adept at blocking shots but can
Patrick really play man to man as good as Akeem? Can Patrick actually
take the ball away from a guard ot force the guard into a TO. Funny
how Patricks play improved when NY finally got a pojnt guard, something
the Rockets are still serching for....
Akeem is leading the league in rebounding and blocked shots, and still
scores heavily this despite a bum leg that said would keep him out the
first month of the season and he played the first game. I've never seen
Patrick play hurt. Also did you notice that now that teams are doubling
Patrick and in general paying him more attention defensively his
numbers have fallen?
Akeem was in the top ten in five statistical categories last year, did
Ewing make any?
Cmon be serious, I'M Hoya fan and hav always enjoyed Patrick's game
but Akeem is as they commercial says UNSTOPPABLE!
mike
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| 8.579 | | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Mon Feb 12 1990 19:32 | 7 |
| I have to crack up seeing Mr_Laker using the words "suffering" and
"torture" in trying to explain to us how he thinks Doug Ross lives his
life as a Celtics fan. Seems to me, LA_Ken, you displayed the ultimate
"suffering" and "torture" when your reason for living failed miserably
during the championship round last year! HAHAHAHAHAHA(tm) :-)
Unbelievable!
|
| 8.580 | or their 2-8 record agains the C's in final Hawk... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celtics destroy/destroyed the/by West | Mon Feb 12 1990 19:34 | 1 |
|
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| 8.581 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 12 1990 19:44 | 17 |
|
I woudln't credit NY's success solely to Ewing. They have a
well balanced starting five with Ewing as the star. Houston on
the other hand is a team with only one quality player (Akeem) with
a poor supporting cast.
Akeem is clearly the better defensively of the 2 (something
that cannot be measured by stats alone). He is the quicker and
the stronger of the two.
I may get shot for this but I figure Akeem to be the James Worthy
of centers and Ewing the Larry Bird in regards to offense.
In all, I feel Akeem is clearly the better of two. As I have
said before Ewing is just starting to play to his potential.
If you don't want to look at this seasons stats take a look
at the previous ones to see who really is the best, most consistent
center in the NBA today.
sean
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| 8.582 | deja vu needed again :-) | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Mon Feb 12 1990 19:44 | 4 |
| Yer right, Mikey! Maybe they need a refresher! Where that John Hendry
note with all them wonderful statistics? :-)
|
| 8.583 | Put up or shut up time. Doc cringes. | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Mon Feb 12 1990 19:46 | 9 |
| > You're in the minority there bub. Akeem's game will go up yet another
> notch when the Rockets get a real point guard.
Well, Doc, I've been proud to be counted in the minority many times. I
don't consider it a sin, nor a valid argument. Now, how 'bout a challange:
Are you willing to put a double sawbuck on the All-NBA center this
year? I say Ewing, you say Akeem. Got the nads?
Dan
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| 8.584 | they way it *should* be | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 12 1990 19:54 | 9 |
|
re: .583
Ewing - Most Improved Center
Akeem - All-NBA Center
See the jifference?
sean
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| 8.585 | This is 1990, not 1986 | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Mon Feb 12 1990 19:55 | 20 |
| Re: the analyzing arguments of Ewing or Akeem (also known as the non-DrM args)
I think there's two critical factors which are in Ewings favor. He's a much
better man-to-man, position defender. Akeem has nice block shot totals,
which indicates his timing, instinct and quickness, but I haven't seen that
he's improved his interior defense.
The second factor is on offense. Akeem has worked nicely at his two moves,
basically turn baseline or turn to the middle. And in the NBA, if he turns
middle (the much better shot, because it leaves him in a position to rebound)
you get double teamed everytime. Which is why Akeem ends up forcing so many
shots every game. He has no concept of kicking the ball back out. Patrick's
game has grown tremendously in this area, both in developing a variety of
good moves, and knowing how and when to move the ball.
In a half-court game, the one that you're likely to find at the end of any
close game, or any playoff game, Patrick is a better offensive option than
Akeem.
Dan
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| 8.586 | With the game coming sunday, you can expect me to be onery all week | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celtics destroy/destroyed the/by West | Mon Feb 12 1990 20:09 | 13 |
|
Dan, if he's a better posistion defender is really reaching if you
ask me. Sounds like he knows how to play zone defense better to me.
No wonder why you like him so much he can play zone defense just like
the Lakers... ;^)
Timing, Instict and quickness that 3 plus for Akeem, posistional
defender one plus for Patrick....Sounds like the Dean is better
than Bob debates with his one title vs 3....
;^)
mike
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| 8.587 | Patrick: just a better fundamental player | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Mon Feb 12 1990 20:25 | 8 |
| >Timing, Instict and quickness that 3 plus for Akeem,
Which explains his blocked shots and a lot of his rebounding. Those are
his talents, his positives. They don't necessarily translate into performance.
I'd rather have Patrick in the half court offense and defense and that's a bigger
part of the game than Akeem's varied talents.
Dan
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| 8.588 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 12 1990 20:26 | 18 |
|
Isn't it refreshing to get off the Worthy-Bird wars? Something
*NEW* to sink your teeth into! Akeem vs. Ewing.
I would've thought this was no question. I guess Akeem has
to be playing in the East conference or on the Lakers to receive
any recognition. Ewing is improving... Finally playing like I expected
him to play 4 years ago. Akeem is improving... Playing better than
anyone would expect a couple of years ago after the champeenship
series (the stats don't lie).
Sounds to me like Ewing makes a better forward than a center
by the "arguments". Rebounds and blocked shots are the two MOST
important stats for a center. I disagree that Patrick is a better
defender. I've seen him get burnt by players quicker than himself
(Chambers, Robinson, K. Malone :) where Akeem contains them.
Akeems a better athlete also... I bet he could swim laps around
Ewing
sean
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| 8.589 | Your own note is my best rebuttal | LUNER::BROOKS | DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS | Mon Feb 12 1990 20:31 | 19 |
| re.587
>>Timing, Instict and quickness that 3 plus for Akeem,
> Which explains his blocked shots and a lot of his rebounding. Those are
> his talents, his positives. They don't necessarily translate into
> performance.
Say what ?!
Boy Dan, your brand of 'logic' has it an all time low.
Let's see class, repeat after Dan : Lots of blocked shots and lots
of rebounds equal inferior performance.
People remember, this is comingfrom the man who bulit a paper-mache'
pedestal for Joe Namath ...
Doc
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| 8.590 | Here are some stats to muddy the arguments | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good Bye! | Mon Feb 12 1990 20:58 | 128 |
| ----------- AVERAGE PER GAME ------------
PLAYER MIN REB AST STL TO BLK PTS
CHARLES BARKLEY 17.0 4.0 0.3 1.33 1.3 0.67 9.3
LARRY BIRD 29.3 7.9 4.2 2.22 3.1 0.33 14.0
PATRICK EWING 16.5 6.0 1.0 0.50 2.0 1.50 6.5
MICHAEL JORDAN 28.0 4.0 3.0 3.50 3.0 1.25 21.5
KEVIN MCHALE 18.2 5.2 1.0 0.00 1.0 2.40 9.2
ROBERT PARISH 16.6 6.4 0.9 0.57 1.1 1.00 10.0
ISIAH THOMAS 28.9 2.5 9.9 2.88 4.4 0.00 18.4
DOMINIQUE WILKINS 21.5 3.8 0.8 0.75 1.3 0.75 15.3
TOM CHAMBERS 22.5 4.5 1.5 2.00 2.5 0.00 24.0
CLYDE DREXLER 18.3 7.0 2.7 2.00 3.3 0.33 12.0
EARVIN JOHNSON 31.1 5.3 13.9 2.38 4.4 0.75 14.1
LAFAYETTE LEVER 31.0 4.0 3.0 0.00 0.0 0.00 17.0
KARL MALONE 29.5 9.5 2.5 2.00 2.5 0.00 25.0
CHRIS MULLIN 14.0 2.0 2.0 0.00 1.0 0.00 4.0
AKEEM OLAJUWON 21.8 7.8 1.6 1.20 1.8 2.20 10.4
JOHN STOCKTON 32.0 2.0 17.0 5.00 12.0 0.00 11.0
JAMES WORTHY 22.0 4.0 2.0 0.75 0.8 0.75 13.5
-------- AVERAGE PER 48 MINUTES ---------
PLAYER REB AST PF STL TO BLK PTS
CHARLES BARKLEY 11.3 0.9 3.8 3.76 3.8 1.88 26.4
LARRY BIRD 12.9 6.9 4.9 3.64 5.1 0.55 22.9
PATRICK EWING 17.5 2.9 4.4 1.45 5.8 4.36 18.9
MICHAEL JORDAN 6.9 5.1 5.1 6.00 5.1 2.14 36.9
KEVIN MCHALE 13.7 2.6 7.9 0.00 2.6 6.33 24.3
ROBERT PARISH 18.6 2.5 3.7 1.66 3.3 2.90 29.0
ISIAH THOMAS 4.2 16.4 3.1 4.78 7.3 0.00 30.5
DOMINIQUE WILKINS 8.4 1.7 3.9 1.67 2.8 1.67 34.0
TOM CHAMBERS 9.6 3.2 8.5 4.27 5.3 0.00 51.2
CLYDE DREXLER 18.3 7.0 7.9 5.24 8.7 0.87 31.4
EARVIN JOHNSON 8.1 21.4 4.4 3.66 6.7 1.16 21.8
LAFAYETTE LEVER 6.2 4.6 6.2 0.00 0.0 0.00 26.3
KARL MALONE 15.5 4.1 5.7 3.25 4.1 0.00 40.7
CHRIS MULLIN 6.9 6.9 0.0 0.00 3.4 0.00 13.7
AKEEM OLAJUWON 17.2 3.5 6.6 2.64 4.0 4.84 22.9
JOHN STOCKTON 3.0 25.5 6.0 7.50 18.0 0.00 16.5
JAMES WORTHY 8.7 4.4 3.8 1.64 1.6 1.64 29.5
CAREER ALL-STAR GAME STATISTICS FOR 1990 ALL-STARS
-FIELD GOALS- -3-POINT FG--
PLAYER G MIN FG FGA PCT FG FGA PCT
CHARLES BARKLEY 3 51 9 21 .429 0 3 .000
LARRY BIRD 9 264 49 115 .426 3 12 .250
PATRICK EWING 2 33 6 16 .375 0 0 ---
MICHAEL JORDAN 4 112 37 67 .552 0 3 .000
KEVIN MCHALE 5 91 18 34 .529 0 0 ---
ROBERT PARISH 7 116 28 55 .509 0 0 ---
ISIAH THOMAS 8 231 58 100 .580 4 10 .400
DOMINIQUE WILKINS 4 86 24 54 .444 0 0 ---
TOM CHAMBERS 2 45 17 33 .515 2 3 .667
CLYDE DREXLER 3 55 15 31 .484 0 2 .000
EARVIN JOHNSON 8 249 39 88 .443 1 7 .143
LAFAYETTE LEVER 1 31 7 14 .500 0 0 ---
KARL MALONE 2 59 21 36 .583 0 0 ---
CHRIS MULLIN 1 14 1 4 .250 0 0 ---
AKEEM OLAJUWON 5 109 18 41 .439 0 0 ---
JOHN STOCKTON 1 32 5 6 .833 1 1 1.000
JAMES WORTHY 4 88 26 48 .542 0 3 .000
TOTALS ......... 1666 378 763 .495 11 44 .250
-FREE THROWS-
PLAYER FT FTA PCT AVG
CHARLES BARKLEY 10 16 .625 9.3
LARRY BIRD 25 30 .833 14.0
PATRICK EWING 1 5 .200 6.5
MICHAEL JORDAN 12 16 .750 21.5
KEVIN MCHALE 10 12 .833 9.2
ROBERT PARISH 14 20 .700 10.0
ISIAH THOMAS 27 33 .818 18.4
DOMINIQUE WILKINS 13 18 .722 15.3
TOM CHAMBERS 12 15 .800 24.0
CLYDE DREXLER 6 6 1.000 12.0
EARVIN JOHNSON 34 38 .895 14.1
LAFAYETTE LEVER 3 4 .750 17.0
KARL MALONE 8 11 .727 25.0
CHRIS MULLIN 2 2 1.000 4.0
AKEEM OLAJUWON 16 26 .615 10.4
JOHN STOCKTON 0 0 --- 11.0
JAMES WORTHY 2 3 .667 13.5
TOTALS ......... 195 255 .765
--REBOUNDS--
PLAYER OFF DEF TOT AST PF DQ STL TO BLK PTS AVG
CHARLES BARKLEY 5 7 12 1 4 0 4 4 2 28 9.3
LARRY BIRD 17 54 71 38 27 0 20 28 3 126 14.0
PATRICK EWING 2 10 12 2 3 0 1 4 3 13 6.5
MICHAEL JORDAN 7 9 16 12 12 0 14 12 5 86 21.5
KEVIN MCHALE 10 16 26 5 15 0 0 5 12 46 9.2
ROBERT PARISH 13 32 45 6 9 0 4 8 7 70 10.0
ISIAH THOMAS 11 9 20 79 15 0 23 35 0 147 18.4
DOMINIQUE WILKINS 7 8 15 3 7 0 3 5 3 61 15.3
TOM CHAMBERS 5 4 9 3 8 0 4 5 0 48 24.0
CLYDE DREXLER 8 13 21 8 9 0 6 10 1 36 12.0
EARVIN JOHNSON 16 26 42 111 23 0 19 35 6 113 14.1
LAFAYETTE LEVER 0 4 4 3 4 0 0 0 0 17 17.0
KARL MALONE 8 11 19 5 7 0 4 5 0 50 25.0
CHRIS MULLIN 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 1 0 4 4.0
AKEEM OLAJUWON 18 21 39 8 15 1 6 9 11 52 10.4
JOHN STOCKTON 0 2 2 17 4 0 5 12 0 11 11.0
JAMES WORTHY 9 7 16 8 7 0 3 3 3 54 13.5
TOTALS ......... 138 233 371 311 169 1 116 181 56 962
-- SINGLE-GAME HIGHS --
PLAYER MIN REB AST ST TO BL PTS
CHARLES BARKLEY 20 5 1 2 3 1 17
LARRY BIRD 35 13 7 7 5 1 23
PATRICK EWING 17 6 2 1 3 2 9
MICHAEL JORDAN 33 8 4 5 5 4 40
KEVIN MCHALE 30 10 2 0 2 4 16
ROBERT PARISH 28 15 2 3 4 2 21
ISIAH THOMAS 39 5 15 5 6 0 30
DOMINIQUE WILKINS 30 5 2 3 2 1 29
TOM CHAMBERS 29 5 2 4 3 0 34
CLYDE DREXLER 25 12 4 3 6 1 14
EARVIN JOHNSON 39 9 22 5 9 2 21
LAFAYETTE LEVER 31 4 3 0 0 0 17
KARL MALONE 33 10 3 2 3 0 28
CHRIS MULLIN 14 2 2 0 1 0 4
AKEEM OLAJUWON 28 13 3 3 4 3 21
JOHN STOCKTON 32 2 17 5 12 0 11
JAMES WORTHY 29 8 3 2 2 2 22
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| 8.591 | Tune in tomorrow night! | SLDA::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Mon Feb 12 1990 23:23 | 5 |
| Well, everybody can watch the game tomorrow (Houston vs Boston) on Ch
56 (2000 EST) and judge for themselves how good Akeem is when matched
against another good center. Should be the matchup of the game.
Sameer
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| 8.592 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | 214 inches in 17 days | Tue Feb 13 1990 00:43 | 6 |
| Yo - Houston has more than Akeem. Otis Thorpe. Better offensively
than Oakley, fairly equal rebounder. Buck Johnson vs. Johnny Newman
- who would you take. Guards go to NY. It isn't like Akeem plays
with stiffs, ya know.
JD
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| 8.593 | Stop the Worthy bashing ! | ANALYZ::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Tue Feb 13 1990 02:00 | 8 |
| .549-
Hey Metz- was'nt me who started it , check the previous notes. I don't
know about you, but I don't like innocent people getting slandered.
;-)
Sameer
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| 8.594 | | CAM::WAY | Regulators...Mount UP! | Tue Feb 13 1990 11:51 | 10 |
| C'mon, how bout a real manly rivalry...
Let's put Spud Webb up against Manute Bol. Or how 'bout Ralph Samson
against Jerry Sichting.
None of this 7 footer vs 7footer arguing...that's boring and uncreative.
Let's see how good you guys really are....
Chainsaw
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| 8.595 | | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Tue Feb 13 1990 12:01 | 5 |
| Good thinking there, Chainsaw! How about the Tree Rollins - Danny
Ainge manly rivalry? Now there's a classic! I wonder what Tree did
with all those fingers he bit off of Danny? :-)
H'awk
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| 8.596 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Tue Feb 13 1990 12:24 | 3 |
| I thought Danny chewed off Tree's arm to the bicep. You seem confused
Hawk!
Denny
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| 8.597 | | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Tue Feb 13 1990 12:28 | 4 |
| Ooops! You're absolutely right, Denny. It was Tree who got his
appendages bitten off! My, how soon we forget!
Haw'k
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| 8.598 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Feb 13 1990 13:41 | 5 |
| The Houston-Boston game is also on TNT tonight.
Adrian Dantley has been placed on injured reserve by the Mavs. Dantley
has a broken fibula. The Mavs picked up a CBA player for 10 days to
replace Dantley.
|
| 8.599 | Ah, the Pesky Doc is back. Ducked the challange the first time. Will he? | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Tue Feb 13 1990 15:59 | 16 |
| > Boy Dan, your brand of 'logic' has it an all time low.
> People remember, this is comingfrom the man who bulit a paper-mache'
> pedestal for Joe Namath ...
Doc, instead of offering up more of your whiney insults, why not accept the
challenge I offered? Here's another one: double or nothing on the first one
(i.e. another double sawbuck). Patrick Ewing will finish higher in the MVP
voting than Akeem. You doubt it? Make the bet.
Remember, Chicken Little, you claimed to have the majority opinion. I'm here
to teach you that not only can't you learn much about football by reading
a junior high book on the subject, but the same holds true for basketball.
You've shown a resounding ignorance on both matters
Dan
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| 8.600 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | RealLifeRocky-BusterDouglas | Tue Feb 13 1990 16:03 | 5 |
| Dan, Dan, Dan... You know Patrick will only have to be half
the player Akeem is to get the New York media to proclaim him God.
It's a sucker bet.
/Don
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| 8.602 | But then, I never lived in Houston | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Tue Feb 13 1990 16:44 | 15 |
| > Dan, Dan, Dan... You know Patrick will only have to be half
> the player Akeem is to get the New York media to proclaim him God.
> It's a sucker bet.
Hardly Don. Where's all the previous NBA MVPs from the Knicks? Where's
all the previous First Team NBA Knicks? Can you name one for the '80s?
The only one I can think of that might have been first team was Bernard
King some 5 years ago, but I'm not in the least sure that he won it.
It is a sucker bet, though, and Doc is an appropriate sucker. The reason
it's a sucker bet is because anyone who knows jack shit about basketball
can see that Ewing is playing hellacious ball which has nothing to do
with his team or city.
Dan
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| 8.603 | if it's the writers forget it... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celtics destroy/destroyed the/by West | Tue Feb 13 1990 16:50 | 9 |
|
Dan, like /Don said it's a sucker's bet. History shows that hot first
half is all it takes to win the MVP. Historical proof Magic beating
out Michael three years ago. Ewing generated a lot of noise the first
half with higher offensive putout while Akeem has just been Akeem.
Now we see Ewing slacking off and Akeem steady as ever. Who votes for
all nba? I might be interested in that one....
mike
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| 8.604 | | LUNER::BROOKS | DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS | Tue Feb 13 1990 16:54 | 56 |
| Whiney insults Dan ? Check yourself buddy.
You're silly 'bet' proves nothing, since the MVP is voted by the
media, it is as /Don says, a sucker bet.
Ewing is *finally* playing the way everyone thought he would when
he came out of Georgetown, and now he's God. Akeem has to kick butt
for a good 3-5 years before he gets his just due.
That isn't to say that Ewing is a stiff - find the note where I
said that. He's having his best year, and has become a night in-night
out force on both ends. I respect his talent and think that he's
moving rapidly towards greatness.
But fella, Akeem was and is ahead of him.
Remember in college ? All the media proclaimed (and I'm willing
to bet that Dan and JD did) every day was "The Ewing Era", or "The
Sampson Era". Even with Akeem's brilliance, nobody was willing to
say "The Akeem Era".
Nothings changed.
If Akeem had played since Day 1 in NYC, by now the media and city
would have built a Stature Of Liberty twin in Akeem's honor by now.
And that is a fact.
Dan, despite all of your pesudo-rhetoric, it seems that Akeem is
ahead of Pat in boards (where Ewing is rather weak for a center),
blocks, and steals. Ewing is ahead on points. And given the supporting
casts, the coaches, and most importantly the front office of both
teams, Akeem comes out ahead.
And last year, most GM's said that if they could take one center
to start a franchiese, most said Akeem.
Oh yes, and you and JD refuse to acknowledge the impact of Mark
Jackson and Rod Strickland on Ewing.
I'd love to see Akeem have just ONE top class, drug-free point guard
to play with consistantly.
Oh well, I shot down your last argument, and all you had was insults.
I don't expect better from you ....
re JD,
JD, I'm suprised at you. Each reply in this note contains fewer
facts, and less acknowledgement of the ones that exist.
Stop moaning because I don't deify your Knicks and St. Patrick -
you're starting to sound like a Celtics fan.
00:00
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| 8.605 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | RealLifeRocky-BusterDouglas | Tue Feb 13 1990 16:57 | 4 |
| Dan, except for a brief period (1969-1974) the Knicks have
historically STUNK!
/Don
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| 8.606 | Dan's QBing,'football',Namath,Ewing =Grand Slam for The Doc | LUNER::BROOKS | DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS | Tue Feb 13 1990 16:59 | 8 |
|
Dan, I must have really gotten to you eh ? All of the 'slams' about
my knowledge ? tsk tsk ....
Still trying to imply that I can't play football ?
I guess you must have taken an off-line pounding over that plastic
Elway football, and your rag arm .... :-)
|
| 8.607 | | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Tue Feb 13 1990 17:00 | 3 |
| I'd take Henry "High Hank" Finkel over any of today's centers anyday.
H'awk
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| 8.608 | The wind is shifting again!! 8^) | JOULE::DIGGINS | Ya and they're willing to pay 1.5 mil! | Tue Feb 13 1990 17:02 | 8 |
|
Boy I'm confused I thought that Dan and Doc were Laker fans!!!
Shouldn't Magic win it again???????? I've been outta here too
long.
Steve
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| 8.609 | | TACKLE::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Tue Feb 13 1990 17:09 | 28 |
|
re: .604
Well put, dude.
Take a look at the season Johnson got the MVP over Jordan.
In particular look at the teams they were playing on.
Chicago was struggling to get into the playoffs and Jordan
was playing like a god, that season he deserved the MVP more
than at any other time because it was just him and a poor
supporting cast of teammates.
The Lakers were rocking and rolling on to a crush and Magic
was a big part of it, but not the only part. Scott had his
best season of his career and Worthy was hotter than ever.
Now take a look at this season, in particular Akeem and Ewing.
Ewing's teams is doing great and Ewing is having a great season
along with several other players on the team.
Houston's team is struggling to get to .500 and Akeem is leading
in every Center oriented category. How many games has he had
with 10+ blocks and 20+ rebounds?? It's amazing, yet since
Houston isn't doing well, the media won't recognize him.
I strongly feel the MVP award depends strongly on one player
having their best season with several other players having
a great season.
sean
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| 8.610 | Prove it, in the least | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Tue Feb 13 1990 17:13 | 26 |
| >History shows that hot first
>half is all it takes to win the MVP. Historical proof Magic beating
>out Michael three years ago.
I don't think history shows that at all, and your example is a poor one. I think
Bird finished second that year, and Magic was a most deserving winner.
Based on so many of your notes where you give your begrudging
respect to Magic, I don't know how you could argue that.
Here's the MVPs I can remember off the top of my head in the '80s.
'89 Magic
'88 Jordan
'87 Magic
'86 Bird
'85 Bird
'84 Bird
'83 Malone
'82 Erving
'81 Malone
'80 Jabbar
I didn't agree with every one, but I don't think a single one shows a NY media
bias, nor the results of a hot first half carrying the award.
Dan
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| 8.611 | You can't throw, you can't judge ... :-) | LUNER::BROOKS | DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS | Tue Feb 13 1990 17:21 | 5 |
| Dan, wake up, and stop putting words on our mouths ! I said an East
Coast Bias, not necessarily an NYC bias. In case of doubt, between
two near equal players, the one on the EC is going to usually have
a HUGE media advantage over the WC player. Magic-Jordan was the
exception, but the rule is being proven by Akeem-Ewing.
|
| 8.612 | media hype is the trick | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celtics destroy/destroyed the/by West | Tue Feb 13 1990 17:22 | 18 |
|
Danny DANNY DANNY my begrudging respect had nothing to do with it.
Jordan averaged over 30 points a game in 87. He also was the first
player to have over 200 steals and either 100 or 200 blocks in a
season. Chicago had absolutely no supporting cast for him except
for Oakley who doesn't exactly strike fear into anybody offensively
yet they made the playoffs and the second round I believe that year.
TSN mid-december of that year big spread on the cover why Magic was
already the MVP, one week later national TV Brent Tweetieberger the
same BS...and so it was.....
MVP is joke to me because a truler most valuable player for a team
imo should play both ends of the court something Michael is light
years ahead of Bird and Magic at......
mike
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| 8.613 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Tue Feb 13 1990 17:39 | 13 |
| I think part of this is coming back to an age-old argument:
A true Most Valuable Player is the player without whom his team
would be truly lost. Most people seem to think of MVP = Most
Outstanding Player, and they aren't necessarily the same thing.
Do what I do. Ignore individual awards. Ignore Halls of Fame (except
for truly undeserving, non-team, totally selfish players like Elvin
Hayes who don't belong there). Trust me. You'll sleep better at
night. The only thing that really matters in a team game is team
performance.
John
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| 8.614 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Tue Feb 13 1990 17:42 | 6 |
| re: .613
Yet another good point. Take Ewing of NY and take Akeem
off Houston. Who do you think is going to have the better record???
sean
|
| 8.615 | | SAGE::ROSS | Charlotte bound? | Tue Feb 13 1990 17:48 | 19 |
| > Yet another good point. Take Ewing of NY and take Akeem
> off Houston. Who do you think is going to have the better record???
I don't think it's that obvious.
NY HOU
-- ---
Newman F Chevious
Walker F Thorpe
Oakley C Johnson
Jackson G Floyd
Wilkins G Wiggins
Neither team would win more than an expansion team. The better
coach would make the difference.
The NY team without Ewing might do well against small clubs,
but I bet the Houston team without Akeem would do better against
the likes of Detroit, Boston, Philly.
|
| 8.616 | Doc, cut through your fluff and address the issues | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:04 | 101 |
| > You're silly 'bet' proves nothing, since the MVP is voted by the
> media, it is as /Don says, a sucker bet.
It proves you don't stand behind your words, which was it's goal. You
claimed your opinion was correct since you had the majority's
backing on it.
>Ewing is *finally* playing the way everyone thought he would when
>he came out of Georgetown, and now he's God.
No, not God, just the finest center in the NBA right now. And anyone
who has been following the sport shouldn't be as surprised as you
apparently are over this. It hasn't happened "finally". It's been a
growing process which was much aided by the addition of Mark
Jackson to the team 2 years ago, but mostly what must have been
a ton of off-season work by Ewing. Every single year he's been in
the league since he put his knee operation behind him, Patrick has
improved tremoundously. That's why you see the Knicks improving
tremendously as well over the exact same time period.
>That isn't to say that Ewing is a stiff - find the note where I
>said that.
I haven't accused you of saying it. Nor have I made any criticisms
of Akeem beyond seeing him second in a comparison to Ewing. It's
not bad company.
>Remember in college ? All the media proclaimed (and I'm willing
>to bet that Dan and JD did) every day was "The Ewing Era", or "The
>Sampson Era". Even with Akeem's brilliance, nobody was willing to
>say "The Akeem Era".
Listen. Why don't you stopo with this MrT Jive Bull crap? You don't
have any idea what I was saying, and you obviously don't have the
courage to make any bets on your opinions on this matter.
And as I recall, as good as Akeem was, and as good as the cast he
played with was, when the big showdown came, it was Patrick who
prevailed for the NCAA title. He outplayed Akeem then; he outplayed
Akeem Sunday, and he's been outplaying Akeem in the NBA for the
last two years. All it took was for him to develop an offense from virtually
none. This he has done, and he deserves the credit that he will get for
it.
>If Akeem had played since Day 1 in NYC, by now the media and city
>would have built a Stature Of Liberty twin in Akeem's honor by now.
>And that is a fact.
I'm becoming certain that you don't have any clue as to the difference
between fact and your own biased opinions.
>Dan, despite all of your pesudo-rhetoric, it seems that Akeem is
>ahead of Pat in boards (where Ewing is rather weak for a center),
>blocks, and steals. Ewing is ahead on points.
But you haven't been paying attention to reality, which is why I call on you
to do something to learn about the game. Ewings rebounds have been
moving up. Patrick has become a much better rebounder this year, even
with playing next to the premeire rebounding forward in basketball in
Oakley. In a team sport like basketball, I am not content to merely compare
raw numbers and call someone else better based on that. It's a weak
excuse for analysis.
Blocked shots are merely *part* of defense. Akeem has better numbers,
but Ewing is the better defender.
>And last year, most GM's said that if they could take one center
>to start a franchiese, most said Akeem.
And if this is true, and as I speculate, this was done at the begining of the
season, I would have agreed with them. But this is not 1988. A season
and a half has passed since then, and Ewing has passed Akeem on the
court.
>Oh yes, and you and JD refuse to acknowledge the impact of Mark
>Jackson and Rod Strickland on Ewing.
What's the point of fabricating this? I am fully aware of the impact of
Jackson. He was the first teammate Ewing had on the Knicks who had
a clue how to get the ball inside, and Ewing's offense immediately
blossomed. But it didn't stop there, and even with Jackson's demise
this season, Patrick has continued to improve. That you included
Strickland in the statement shows that you really don't know what
you are talking about. That you have claimed that all Akeem's missing
is a point guard shows the same. His point guard situation hasn't
been the best, but it hasn't always been a problem area.
But this discussion doesn't really need to focus on who passes the
ball to the big guys as compared to where they are when they
receive it and what they do with it from there. When you take
the time to watch both players critically, you'll see that Ewing is
the one with the more accomplished offensive game.
>Oh well, I shot down your last argument, and all you had was insults.
If you believe that, then you've totally deluded yourself. Instead of
crowing to the rest of the noters (something you've no doubt
learned from MrT) why not just acknowledge the facts and
opinions presented.
Dan
|
| 8.617 | Doc is his own best critic | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:12 | 15 |
| > Yet another good point. Take Ewing of NY and take Akeem
> off Houston. Who do you think is going to have the better record???
They'll both suck. I wouldn't give much of an advantage in either
direction, but the teams are surprisingly similar.
But put Patrick on Houston and you've got a better record than what
they've got now. Put Akeem on the Knicks and they wouldn't be in
first place.
Where was Doc when the challenge was offered? Afraid of
us boogey men on the East Coast? Playing free safety?
Certainly not man enough to show up.
Dan
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| 8.618 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celtics destroy/destroyed the/by West | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:15 | 10 |
|
Dan, how is Ewing more accomplished offensively other than passing?
Both dunk, both have hooks, both have range up to 15 feet, maybe
Pat a little further out on rare occassions....
You've pretty much lost the argument that Ewing is better defensively,
and definately lost it on the rebounding so if I give you offensive,
it's still 2-1 Akeem......
mike
|
| 8.619 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:17 | 19 |
|
I still don't understand why you think Ewing outplayed Akeem
in the All Star game. Akeem had 9 offensive rebounds to Ewings
1. That tells you who the better offensive center was that day.
Akeem did not shoot well because he was fouled a lot (he took
more free throw attempts than any other player) and he shot poorly
from the line.
Akeem is the premier center in NBA. Ask any coach today, this
very second who they would want as their center and they'd probably
tell you in order:
1. Akeem Olajuwon - experienced, consistent, unstoppable!
2. David Robinson - fresh, powerful offense, if he improves
any more (which he will) he will be the best center
in the NBA shortly
3. Patrick Ewing - Finally playing at a consistent level.
Good shooter with good instinct.
sean
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| 8.620 | | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:20 | 5 |
| Patrick has the better "smiling" personality, so it's 2-2. You mean
that don't count? Then, what about M. Johnson from LA? Ok, take one
point away from the guy....... :-)
Haw'k
|
| 8.621 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:21 | 4 |
|
Akeem can dunk circles around Patrick: 3-2 8^)
sean
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| 8.622 | | PNO::HEISER | eschew obfuscation | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:22 | 7 |
| >It is a sucker bet, though, and Doc is an appropriate sucker. The reason
>it's a sucker bet is because anyone who knows jack shit about basketball
>can see that Ewing is playing hellacious ball which has nothing to do
>with his team or city.
AMEN!!! No wonder Doc is a Laker fan!
|
| 8.623 | | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:22 | 1 |
| Patrick's got hipper hair. 3-3 :-)
|
| 8.624 | Patrick Ewing = taller version of the microwave?? | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:24 | 3 |
| minus points for looks though, put Pat back to 0...
sean
|
| 8.625 | Ewing is the best, right now | DEC25::MCFALL | Spaced, without a trace | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:33 | 23 |
| Ewing 195 blocks in 48 games 4.063 bpg
Olajuwon 192 blocks in 47 games 4.085 bpg
Where's this BIG advantage Olajuwon has in blocked shots?
Also Ewing's rebounding is up considerably this year, thanks to
Paul Silas, who is working on it. He is in double figures for the first
time in his career, and his rebounding has improved since the beginning
of the season. Also, in the years Pitino was there, Ewing got very
few "foul-line" rebounds, as he was back to defend while the Knicks
pressed.
Mike, Ewing had 2 or 3 bad scoring nights when he was suffering
from a flu, one of those games was the latest vs. the Celtics, where he
wasn't expected to play. The only team that really threw him and the Knicks
off their game was the Lakers, and that is part of the learning experience.
Strength: I'd be interested in really finding out about this. Ewing
has improved his strength considerably this year. It's a fact. This is
tough to prove either way, and is just an opinion.
Jim M
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| 8.626 | 1. Olajuwon 2. Robinson... 3. Ewing | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:40 | 5 |
|
When does Houston play NY anyways?? Once and for all this thing
can be settled when they go one on one...
sean
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| 8.627 | Using your logic | DEC25::MCFALL | Spaced, without a trace | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:48 | 20 |
| > 1. Akeem Olajuwon - experienced, consistent, unstoppable!
Ewing is not experienced? I thought you said Akkem hadn't
been playing basketball for very long?
> 2. David Robinson - fresh, powerful offense, if he improves
> any more (which he will) he will be the best center
> in the NBA shortly
Akeem has an advantage for being experienced, yet Robinson
has an advantage for bring "fresh" ? Also Robinson will
have to develop more strength and stamina to raise his level.
> 3. Patrick Ewing - Finally playing at a consistent level.
> Good shooter with good instinct.
Sounds like Ewing has experience, and you've admitted consistency,
in a backhanded sort of way. If Akeem is "unstoppable!", what
does that make Ewing, if Patrick is outscoring Akeem?
Jim M
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| 8.628 | and other teams will follow the Laker's lead, what will Pat do? | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celtics destroy/destroyed the/by West | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:50 | 12 |
|
But Jim, what is Akeem averaging for rebounds close to 14 a night I
think. The thing is Akeem has been doing this for years now all of
a sudden Patrick's over 10 so he's equal to Akeem?
Also the flu is weak excuse imo. Some guys have great games with the
flu others don't. Besides how can you prove a flu? I have a few off
games and somebody will come up with some reason why. Akeem has been
constant the jury is still out on Patrick as far as I'm concerned....
mike
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| 8.629 | Wait till the end of the year when we have some real opinions | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:54 | 34 |
| >Dan, how is Ewing more accomplished offensively other than passing?
>Both dunk, both have hooks, both have range up to 15 feet, maybe
>Pat a little further out on rare occassions....
I've already covered this. Akeem has two moves. Spin baseline,
spin inside. He's always doubled inside, and if he goes this way
anyway, it's a total force. He has about one spot on the floor he likes:
posted up on the left. That's his offense, other than dunks and put backs.
Patrick can go high or low on either side. He's got a nice touch on his
facing jumper that goes much further than Akeem's. He's at least equal
(and probably greater) than Akeem with the turnaround.
>You've pretty much lost the argument that Ewing is better defensively,
I don't see how. Unless you're buying that defense is only measured by
blocked shots.
> I still don't understand why you think Ewing outplayed Akeem
>in the All Star game. Akeem had 9 offensive rebounds to Ewings
>1. That tells you who the better offensive center was that day.
It does? That's news to me. Patrick positively ate up Akeem on the D.
And what were Akeem's shooting stats? Something like1 for 14. If Patrick
didn't do anything else, for that, he was the better center on Sunday.
>Ask any coach today, this
>very second who they would want as their center and they'd probably
>tell you in order:
This is as bad as Doc's stuff. Stop taking hypothetical polls and using them
as if they were facts. Making stuff up won't convince me of anything.
Dan
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| 8.630 | Consistenecy loses to someone who improves to a higher level | DEC25::MCFALL | Spaced, without a trace | Tue Feb 13 1990 18:58 | 21 |
| > But Jim, what is Akeem averaging for rebounds close to 14 a night I
> think. The thing is Akeem has been doing this for years now all of
> a sudden Patrick's over 10 so he's equal to Akeem?
Never said Patrick's rebounding was equal to Akeem. However,
Ewing's scoring is higher than Akeem's, blocked shots are virtually
equal, and Akeem has a rebounding edge. Defensive and offensive prowess
that can't be measured by stats is rendered to opinion. I think that
Patrick has raised his game to a level above Akeem. I have not seem
Akeem do anything to raise the level of his game in a few years, so while
he may be consistent, others, like Ewing, Robinson, and maybe Shawn Kemp,
will surpass him.
> Also the flu is weak excuse imo. Some guys have great games with the
> flu others don't. Besides how can you prove a flu? I have a few off
Just so happens 3 Knick games in about a week were on TV. The
anouncers (TNT) stated that they were informed by the team that Ewing
was "doubtful" -- sort of like the NFL Injury report - It wasn't made up.
Jim M
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| 8.631 | same old story | TALLIS::DICHIARA | Peter | Tue Feb 13 1990 19:02 | 5 |
| The Ewing vs. Olajuwon argument sounds like the old Reed vs. Chamberlain
argument. Chamberlain had the better numbers but Reed's team won more
often. I'll take the later, i.e. wins over stats.
|
| 8.632 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Tue Feb 13 1990 19:03 | 18 |
| > in a backhanded sort of way. If Akeem is "unstoppable!", what
> does that make Ewing, if Patrick is outscoring Akeem?
A ball hog? A forward? I dunno... Definitely stoppable (yes,
I saw the Lakers game).
BTW, Robinson is already playing at a level equal to Ewing.
He has puhlenty of strength (have you seen him play???) and what's
this about stamina?? Robinson doesn't shoot as much as Ewing because
he shares the limelight with Cummings, Cheeks, etc.. Therefore
he does not have as high a stamina rating. Of the three, I think
Robinson is the strongest (the Navy don't take wimps)
Within the next few season Robinson will replace Akeem as the
best center in the NBA and Ewing will stay right where he is. Just
compare rookie stats between Robinson and Ewing and think about
what is going to happen when Robinson improves. Trust me. 8^)
sean
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| 8.633 | What does the Einstein of coaches do for each? | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Tue Feb 13 1990 19:03 | 16 |
| >and other teams will follow the Laker's lead, what will Pat do?
Ha-ha. They can *try*. Can't you just see the Celtics trying to triple
team him. Patrick gets the ball. Parish is on him. Bird, who's head is beneath
the cylinder even though his man is at the top of the key, slowly moves over to
double DJ comes, running, well, in slow motion over from the foul line. Gets
there just in time to see patrick pass it to foul line extended to Wilkins. Bagley
rotates (oh my), well kind of waddles towards where Wilkins was, but Wilkins
has darted down the middle. McHale approaches, moving like his feet are
stuck in the mud. Wilkins lays it down to Oakley now open because McHale is
stuck in the middle, who banks in a two-footer.
Really, this ends the argument. Lakers never felt it necessary to triple
team anyone until Patrick.
Dan
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| 8.634 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Tue Feb 13 1990 19:09 | 9 |
| > The Ewing vs. Olajuwon argument sounds like the old Reed vs. Chamberlain
> argument. Chamberlain had the better numbers but Reed's team won more
> often. I'll take the later, i.e. wins over stats.
This is the stupidest argument I've heard. Well Jordan has
better stats but Bird's team has a better record, therefore Bird
is better than Jordan???
sean
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| 8.635 | Trust you? Not likely in this matter :^) | DEC25::MCFALL | Spaced, without a trace | Tue Feb 13 1990 19:18 | 33 |
| > in a backhanded sort of way. If Akeem is "unstoppable!", what
> does that make Ewing, if Patrick is outscoring Akeem?
> A ball hog? A forward? I dunno... Definitely stoppable (yes,
> I saw the Lakers game).
> BTW, Robinson is already playing at a level equal to Ewing.
> He has puhlenty of strength (have you seen him play???) and what's
> this about stamina?? Robinson doesn't shoot as much as Ewing because
> he shares the limelight with Cummings, Cheeks, etc.. Therefore
> he does not have as high a stamina rating. Of the three, I think
> Robinson is the strongest (the Navy don't take wimps)
Did you see the Knick/Spur game? Robinson had no defense to stop
Ewing once he got the ball. None. The fact the Knicks failed to get Ewing
the ball during much of the game was not Patricks fault, but the guards.
And, it was Ewing's strength that allowed him to get position and to take
the shots he likes best. Alot of Robinson's points came on cleanups after
Ewing went to help on another player.
So, Ewing does not share the spotlight with other players -
Oakley, Jackson, Wilkins on occasion? No way is Robinson the strongest.
The fastest, possibly, but not the strongest. both Ewing and Akeem can
outmuscle the kid.
> Within the next few season Robinson will replace Akeem as the
> best center in the NBA and Ewing will stay right where he is. Just
> compare rookie stats between Robinson and Ewing and think about
> what is going to happen when Robinson improves. Trust me. 8^)
You are assuming Robinson improves and Ewing does not :^)
Jim M
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| 8.636 | testy aren't we | TALLIS::DICHIARA | Peter | Tue Feb 13 1990 19:19 | 13 |
| re; .634
First, why do you start out with such an offensive voice? Relax.
Jordan's numbers are better than Magic's also. All I was trying to say
is that you can't just look at the numbers. A lot of the contributions
a player makes to his team aren't measured in stats. I'll give you
one (although you may want to make a stat out of it) Ewing played on
two terrible Knicks teams and never spewed at the mouth that he wanted
to be traded unless certain demands were met. How much do you think
Akeem's recent comments contributed to the team's attitude.
I hope this clears things up.
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| 8.637 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Feb 13 1990 19:39 | 5 |
| 8.638 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Tue Feb 13 1990 19:48 | 14 |
| > First, why do you start out with such an offensive voice? Relax.
I didn't see any capital letters... I was calmly stating my
opinion... IF I HAD SHOUTED LIKE THIS THEN MAYBE IT WOULD SOUND
LIKE I WAS NOT RELAXED, but i am.. trust me.
Akeem's recent comments are directed at the management. They
aren't even trying to build a champeenship team. They're has been
no consistency outside of Akeem's playing at Houston since the day
he arrived. One day they were in the champeenship the next day
they couldn't even vie for a playoff spot. NY has seen a gradual
improvement, thus no frustration. Do you see??
sean
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| 8.639 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue Feb 13 1990 19:52 | 4 |
|
Akeem is also PO'd about the management dismantling a team that made it
to the finals and yet still doesn't have a decent supporting cast for
teh NBA's best center. I don't blame him.
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| 8.640 | The argument, in a microcosm | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Tue Feb 13 1990 19:53 | 10 |
| >One day they were in the champeenship the next day
>they couldn't even vie for a playoff spot. NY has seen a gradual
>improvement, thus no frustration.
The Knicks went from one of the worst teams in the league
to one of the best. The biggest reason? The rise of
Patrick Ewing to best center in the league. Nothing else
even comes close.
Dan
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| 8.641 | We'll settle this.... | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Shoot James Brown | Tue Feb 13 1990 19:55 | 8 |
| Me thinks its time for a Note-Vote. Cast yer ballots all ye
basketball fans. If Ewing gets more votes Dan is a winner,
if Akeem gets more, then Doc is a winner. If its a tie, David Robinson
wins ^;).
Here's one vote for Akeem the Scream.
Rich
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| 8.642 | Akeem kills Green, film @ 11 8^) | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Tue Feb 13 1990 20:00 | 16 |
|
Well Boston plays Akeem tonight.. I mean Houston 8^)
I hope Akeem does good so I can brag about it tomorrow 8^)
But seriously, watch for Boston to double and triple on Akeem
and force the Houston guards to take outside shots. Akeem should
get a bunch of rebounds and a bunch of blocks. Houston is 18-5
in the Dome so it isn't going to be a cakewalk for Boston.
prediction for Akeem:
34 points 8^), 17 rebounds (9 Off.), 3 blocks, 1 steal, 4 fouls
Okay, maybe not *that* good...
sean
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| 8.643 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Feb 13 1990 20:04 | 11 |
| If Parish plays Akeem like he did in the All Star game, it's going to
be a long day for Olajowan. Add to that that Akeem won't have the
supporting cast he had on Sunday.
Having said that, it should make for an interesting game. Will Houston
continue to be streaky, and if so, which streak are they on? Can the
Celts come up with the intensity neccessary to win consistently on the
road?
It's too bad I'm going to have to miss this game to go to rugby
practice. It should be a good one.
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| 8.644 | you didn't need caps | TALLIS::DICHIARA | Peter | Tue Feb 13 1990 20:05 | 26 |
| re. 638
It's not totally management's fault. Lewis Loyd and Mitchell Wiggins
had something to do with it. Trading Ralph for Sleepy and Otis has to
be considered a good move by management considering the way Sampson has
played since his Houston days. Although I wouldn't say that Houston
has top notch management they are defintely not in lower strata --
Sacramento and the like. Akeem's comments were better kept to himself
and the team management. Letting these comments leak to the media has
to have bad effects on his teammates, some of which are very good (Otis
Thorpe comes to mind).
A team's success lies in more than the caliber of its front office and
the sum total of the player's talent -- you need team-work and
cohesiveness. What top notch player would want to play with a guy who
is gonna call you a second-rater if you don't win the big one. His
remarks were totally uncalled for.
The reason I took your reply as offensive was a result of your opening
statement: "That's the stupidest argument I ever heard"
Anyway, I in no way intended to down-grade Akeem's playing abilities.
I just thought the Ewing vs. Olajuwon argument has many parallels to
the Reed vs Chamberlain, or you can probably insert Russel for Reed.
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| 8.645 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Tue Feb 13 1990 20:05 | 12 |
| > The Knicks went from one of the worst teams in the league
> to one of the best. The biggest reason? The rise of
> Patrick Ewing to best center in the league. Nothing else
> even comes close.
The same could be said for Houston. They were 'orrible before
Akeem came (why do you think Moses left?). NY hasn't traded/lost
3 out of 5 of their starting players within a 1 year time frame.
Also players like Craig Ehlo. Remember him? He was on the Houston
champeenship squad, now it looks like he is a star at Cleveland.
sean
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| 8.646 | Obviously Ainge doesn't have to anymore | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Feb 13 1990 20:10 | 6 |
| 8.647 | | TALLIS::DICHIARA | Peter | Tue Feb 13 1990 20:16 | 8 |
| repl .646
Bird may question their intensity and desire but I don't think he ever
said that he wants a new team to play with. Barkley made similar
comments. The point is comments like Barkley's and Akeem's are
unprofessional and adversely effect the team spirit.
|
| 8.648 | Qui est muy macho? | DEC25::MCFALL | Spaced, without a trace | Tue Feb 13 1990 20:24 | 12 |
| 8.649 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Waiting in the wings... | Wed Feb 14 1990 03:48 | 39 |
| Sean,
Why is it when I read all the hoop mags, they had top NBA management
talking about Ewing? Yet, you keep assuring us they'd mostly pick
Akeem. They are both great centers. I don't think anyone, except
maybe you and Doc, are denying that. Why is David Robinson, in
less than a year, already better than Ewing in your eyes??
Doc,
Wrong again, oh Doctor Biased. First of all, I never proclaimed
a Ewing era - in fack (tm) Doc, I liked Akeem in college, and I
still like Akeem - why, you axe? Cause I like basketball, and Akeem
is one of the best to suit up. So is Patrick. So is Larry Bird.
You may get the point. As for supporting cast - lets see, Akeem
has had some good players around him - A healthy Ralph Sampson for
one. And what about Sleepy Floyd Doc? He was an all-star guard,
just like Mark Jackson was an all-star guard. Otis Thorpe? He's
a pretty good player. Buck Johnson played well this year. Teh
Rockets haven't had champeenship talent lately, but they haven't
had expansion club players either.
I'll sit back and watch both centers, and in fack (tm) I'll watch
em all. IMO, Patrick is playing the best center in the league right
now, with Robinson and Akeem (akeem ahead of David), but there
isn't much difference between em. I could live with any of em on
my team. Akeem still has some maddening bad habits.
Oh,and Doc, about the comment concerning my Knicks and was is celtic
bias - first, do you see me going nuts in a Knicks note anywhere?
No. As for the celtic part - you know I'm not a Boston C. fan,
or were you referring to my heritage? (Irish=celtic) If you were,
I'm surprised, I know you wouldn't tolerate the same.
And what I've said about Patrick I'm not passing off as fack (tm)
as you might about Akeem, or Sean might. It's my opinion. And
opinions aren't facks(tm).
JD
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| 8.650 | | SAGE::ROSS | Charlotte bound? | Wed Feb 14 1990 11:34 | 18 |
| If that was typical Akeem last night against the Celtics, you can keep
him. He is a great, raw, physical talent. But on the offensive end,
he does nothing but spin left or drive left. He does not have a real
center's post-up game. But he's so big and so quick and so strong that
he gets his shot off. He takes bad shots at the worst times.
Defensively, Akeem is an attacker. Centers, forwards, and guards are
all targets. Sometimes that's good and sometimes it's not, especially
when he is out at the top of the key trying to steal the ball from a
guard.
Ewing is so much more polished offensively and defensively, that to
put Akeem ahead of Ewing simply based on stats is ridiculous.
Akeem 10-24 shooting, 17 rebounds, 1 assist, 4 blocks, 5 turnovers.
Oh, yeah, I guess Larry showed who the best player on the court was, huh?
Right, Doc? 38 points, 14 rebounds, 8 assists.
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| 8.651 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Wed Feb 14 1990 11:38 | 2 |
| Hey Dock, how'd the mighty Rockets do last night at the Scummit?
Denny
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| 8.652 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | RealLifeRocky-BusterDouglas | Wed Feb 14 1990 11:39 | 21 |
| > one (although you may want to make a stat out of it) Ewing played on
> two terrible Knicks teams and never spewed at the mouth that he wanted
> to be traded unless certain demands were met. How much do you think
Why would anybody want to be traded from New York? It's the only
place where you can play on a team that wins 20 games and still get a
monstrous sneaker contract.
> Bird may question their intensity and desire but I don't think he ever
> said that he wants a new team to play with. Barkley made similar
> comments. The point is comments like Barkley's and Akeem's are
> unprofessional and adversely effect the team spirit.
I disagree Peter. After the 88 season I believe, Bird said that
if the current players couldn't get the job done, management should think about
getting new ones. Not exactly the same as wanting a new team, but the
jist of the comment is the same, basically saying your teammates stink.
Knowing how outspoken Bird is, I believe put in Akeem's situation he would say
and do just about the same things. Just my opinion.
/Don
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| 8.653 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 12:32 | 19 |
|
So I can keep Akeem, huh? Guess you weren't impressed by those
15 footers he was sinking. Poor offensive night for him, IMO.
His shooting hasn't been on target since the last couple of games
before the All star break.
Well here's how Ewing did:
12-16 FG, 7-7 FT, 6 Rebounds (all defensive), 4 assists, 5 fouls,
31 points, 4 blocks, 4 turnovers, 0 steals
vs. Akeem:
10-24 FG, 2-2 FT, 17 Rebounds (3 offensive), 1 assist, 4 fouls,
22 points, 4 blocks, 5 turnovers, 2 steals
Once again, Akeem, the rebounding machine shows his stuff.
sean
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| 8.654 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 12:43 | 14 |
| > Oh, yeah, I guess Larry showed who the best player on the court was, huh?
> Right, Doc? 38 points, 14 rebounds, 8 assists.
I would hope so... funny how you failed to mention the fg%...
it was 15 for 30 attempts. 30 attempts... I would hope he would
score that much (I mean, Seikaly scored 40 with only 23 attempts
and he's a center!). Bird played all but 1:30 in the game also.
My favorite play of the game was when the ball was called dead on
a foul and Bird went to shoot it (how many dead balls did he shoot
that night? I counted 6?) Akeem grabbed the ball, two hander style
on it's way up. What an athlete!! Thorpe's play was immense also.
Best I've seen him play in a while!
sean
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| 8.655 | Calvin's record is SAFE ! | LUNER::BROOKS | DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS | Wed Feb 14 1990 13:10 | 3 |
| Larry MISSED ! He choked ! GAGGED ! HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA !!!!!!
DrM
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| 8.656 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 13:30 | 31 |
| 8.657 | | SAGE::ROSS | Charlotte bound? | Wed Feb 14 1990 13:34 | 20 |
| > I would hope so... funny how you failed to mention the fg%...
> it was 15 for 30 attempts. 30 attempts... I would hope he would
That's 50% FG% for simpletons. I didn't realize that was
bad. Considering Akeem's 10/24 is worse FG% and from closer
range, what's the point?
> My favorite play of the game was when the ball was called dead on
> a foul and Bird went to shoot it (how many dead balls did he shoot
On that play, Bird was driving into the middle and was shoved.
He threw the ball up to try and get the continuation call and Akeem
grabbed it.
Wow! Let's put him in the Hall right now. Grabbing a dead
ball lefty off-balance hook. Wow!
You only reinforce my belief that Akeem is simply a physical
wonder and has no concept of how the game should be played.
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| 8.658 | | SAGE::ROSS | Charlotte bound? | Wed Feb 14 1990 13:38 | 14 |
| > Larry MISSED ! He choked ! GAGGED ! HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA !!!!!!
>
> DrM
I guess you had SOMETHING to be happy about after the Rockets got
toasted. A missed FT. After 70+ straight.
Larry ate the Rockets up and peenched a loaf of Akeem in the Dream's
backyard. The Nigerian Nimrod could only run amok with his lefty
spin moves and poor shot selection.
Loved it at the end during a timeout when Akeem could be seen
sitting dejectedly on the bench saying "G$$damn".
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| 8.659 | The real truth of the matter | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 13:41 | 16 |
|
re: .657
You're right, I think he got a 'D' in Basketball 101 at UHouston...
BTW How did Parish and McHale do against Akeem? lesse:
8-23 FG, 6-6 FT, 17 rebounds (7 offensive), 7 assists, 7 fouls,
22 points, 2 blocks, 4 turnovers, 2 steals
Looks like Akeem did ok against the two.
sean
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| 8.660 | still quite amazing | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celtics destroy/destroyed the/by West | Wed Feb 14 1990 13:42 | 8 |
|
Dock, when the last time you hit two in row? 71 in a row is quite
a feat. not something to be laughed at, but then again if you had
said something nice about it, you'd have blown your cover...
;^)
mike
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| 8.662 | | SAGE::ROSS | Charlotte bound? | Wed Feb 14 1990 13:44 | 11 |
| > -< The real truth of the matter >-
> Looks like Akeem did ok against the two.
>
> sean
Considering McHale and Parish each played 35 minutes, and Akeem
only played 45, how did Akeem guard both of them? I don't remember
Akeem guarding McHale that often.
Invent some more stats to sooth the pain.
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| 8.663 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 13:50 | 16 |
| > Considering McHale and Parish each played 35 minutes, and Akeem
> only played 45, how did Akeem guard both of them? I don't remember
> Akeem guarding McHale that often.
Gee, maybe McHale was out when Parish was in at some points during
the game and Parish was out when was McHale was in at some points
during the game... What did you get in Basketball 101 BTW?
> Invent some more stats to sooth the pain.
Pain, naah, Akeem played average and that's all I wanted. But now
that you mention it, here's a pretty painful stat:
Boston Celtics at San Antonio Spurs, Wed Feb 14, 8:30 pm.
sean
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| 8.664 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Waiting in the wings... | Wed Feb 14 1990 13:56 | 12 |
| Sean,
Oh yeah, Akeem outplayed Ewing. Knicks won, didn't they.
Akeem 10-24 from the field - what's that? 42-43%?? Patrick was
what, 12-16 for 75% - took 33% less shots, scored 2 more points
from the field. How many of Akeems offensive rebounds were of his
own poor attempts?
How many minutes did Patrick play compared to Akeem? Akeem played
45, I don't have the numbers for Patrick.
JD
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| 8.665 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Feb 14 1990 14:02 | 9 |
| 8.666 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 14:03 | 7 |
|
Ewing.. 34 min.. who's got the stamina?? 8^)
I didn't say Akeem outplayed Ewing, I don't think so. I just put
in the stats for the two. Correct me if I'm wrong.
sean
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| 8.667 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 14:12 | 15 |
| Yeah, I just said Akeem had a strong rebounding night. Didn't
say he outplayed Ewing...
Oh, and about Larry's 15-30 performance. I keep on forgetting
that shooting 50% is a spectacular performance for him *this year*
8^)x1000
Anyone see Chicago-Miami game? Probably the best balanced game
for them since Jordan started playing. All the starters had double
figures for points. No more calling Chicago a one man team, I guess.
Pippen had a couple of *sweet* plays. Wonder why Jordan is playing
so low key lately....
sean
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| 8.668 | | SAGE::ROSS | Charlotte bound? | Wed Feb 14 1990 14:17 | 18 |
| >> Considering McHale and Parish each played 35 minutes, and Akeem
>> only played 45, how did Akeem guard both of them? I don't remember
>> Akeem guarding McHale that often.
>
> Gee, maybe McHale was out when Parish was in at some points during
> the game and Parish was out when was McHale was in at some points
> during the game... What did you get in Basketball 101 BTW?
Let's see if I can bring this down to the "Dick & Jane" level.
Akeem played 45 minutes. McHale and Parish played a total of
70 minutes. That means that 35% {25 minutes} of McHale's and Parish's
combined stats have nothing to do with Akeem. So combining them and claiming
that Akeem did a good job is meaningless. Much of McHale's shooting
problems came against Thorpe.
Parish shot 50% {4-8} and grabbed 9 boards. He held Akeem to 42% shooting.
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| 8.669 | Spurs looking to snap 2 game losing streak | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Feb 14 1990 14:32 | 7 |
| The Spurs dropped one on the road against the Mavericks last night.
As sean said, they host the Celts tonight. It should be a good game (I
can't believe it's not being televised here - and my wife didn't go for
the idea of spending Valentine's Day at Hemisfair Arena). Robinson has
shown himself very well this year, but you can tell he is still
learning. The experience of Parish should match up well with the youth
and skill of Robinson.
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| 8.670 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Wed Feb 14 1990 14:39 | 17 |
|
I saw the Nuggets @ Detroit last night. This had to be the most one
sided officiated game I have seen this year. Almost as bad as the two
judges that had Tyson tied/ahead of Douglas. The Nuggets thoroughly
outplayed Detroit for the first 3 qtrs. but the officials kept it
close. In the 4th qtr. Denver went ice cold and lost. Of course the two
"penalties" that were called on Blair Rassmussen at the beginning of
the 4th qtr. that fouled him out didn't help. Doug Moe was not a happy
camper and I don't blame him. He finally got a T when he got on the
ref about "why don't you just give 'em the game?". They did.
John Salley played an outstanding defensive game. I think he had 5
blocks. The Nuggets were without Walter Davis who is day to day with a
badly bruised knee.
HOOT
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| 8.671 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 14:48 | 28 |
| 8.673 | This is what I said... | DEC25::MCFALL | Spaced, without a trace | Wed Feb 14 1990 14:55 | 9 |
| > Face it, Akeem played good... You make him sound like some second
> rate center when the fact is he played with a consistency that no
> one can match. You argue that Ewing has better stamina than Akeem.
Never said this. That was in reference to Robinson, who has not
built his up from his college and Navy days yet. It may take one or two
more years. Never questioned Akeem's stamina...
Jim M
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| 8.674 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Wed Feb 14 1990 15:43 | 6 |
|
Steven,
That's "Air" Schayes. I actually saw both of his feet off the floor at
the same time once last night. Now they also have "Air" Kempton. How
does a, roughly, 7 footer get two outside shots blocked? Answer: his
feet don't leave the ground.
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| 8.675 | Trying to reason | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Wed Feb 14 1990 16:09 | 31 |
| > So I can keep Akeem, huh? Guess you weren't impressed by those
>15 footers he was sinking. Poor offensive night for him, IMO.
>His shooting hasn't been on target since the last couple of games
>before the All star break.
Last night, Akeem's problems weren't that he was just shooting bad. It
was that as slowly as they did it, the Celtics were collapsing on him, and he
just wasn't able to read the defense and either catch the ball and shoot
before they got there, or kick it out to one of the one or two open men.
If he had developed those offensive skills by now, a complete offensive game
rather than relying on his extraordinary physical talents, the Rockets would
have won that game easily.
> Well here's how Ewing did:
>12-16 FG, 7-7 FT, 6 Rebounds (all defensive), 4 assists, 5 fouls,
>31 points, 4 blocks, 4 turnovers, 0 steals
> vs. Akeem:
> Once again, Akeem, the rebounding machine shows his stuff.
Is that really all you get out of it, Sean? Doesn't it make a bit of difference to
you that Ewing dominated his game and led the Knicks to a win and hit
the winning shot on his almost automatic turnaround jumper from the post?
Ewing hit for 7 points in the last 3 minutes of the game and the Knicks
climbed on his back to stave off the Hawks.
Ewing and Akeem are two great centers, but Ewing is superior, and the
biggest reason is what he keeps upstairs. Akeem is the greater talent,
but Patrick gets more out of it.
Dan
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| 8.676 | | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Wed Feb 14 1990 16:12 | 6 |
| Dan vs. Sean continues......
Hey Mikey, dontcha just love it watching these 2 die-hard Lakers fans
go for each other's jugulars? :-)
Haw'k
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| 8.677 | Oh, Larry, did he jump within two feet of you? Take a few foul shots then. | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Wed Feb 14 1990 16:18 | 22 |
| >On that play, Bird was driving into the middle and was shoved.
>He threw the ball up to try and get the continuation call and Akeem
>grabbed it.
Now wait a minute. He didn't get shoved. He got coddled, by the refs. It
was another example of a Bird force job, and the refs, who have long
been intimidated by the Great White Hope of the NBA, bailed him
out again.
Aside from that, just so everyone knows where I stand (some of you
may have forgotten), I was deeply disappointed in the Rockets last
night. After Bird's hot start he ended up heaving up a lot of clanks, but this
encouraged the Celtics to play right into the Rockets' hands
hands by trying to run with them. Rockets should have won that game
by 20 points, if it weren't for dreadful shot selection.
When Bird tries to take charge, that leaves McHale and Parish just
standing around a lot, and they tend not to get themselves involved.
It's the easiest way to beat the Celtics this year, and the Rockets
failed to take advantage of it. A real shame.
Dan
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| 8.678 | Dan, have you ever tried a visit to Eye World? | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Braves/RedSox-FatalAttraction | Wed Feb 14 1990 16:25 | 1 |
|
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| 8.679 | it must be great to be right all the time.... | HEURIS::METZGER | I will not Instigate Revolution | Wed Feb 14 1990 16:33 | 9 |
|
hey slasher,
dontcha know that with all the different colored glasses that dan wears that
the visible spectrum of light that finally reaches his eyes is pratically nil?
NO wonder he can't see the obvious....
Metz
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| 8.680 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 16:33 | 20 |
| 8.681 | Where would Jerry Garcia hide next? | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Wed Feb 14 1990 16:36 | 8 |
| > Dan,have you ever tried a visit to Eye World?
Better hurry, Dan. Why, just this week, they're having a sale on
Jabbar autographed model prescription goggles. As a bonus, you get a
gift certificate for a free Kareem style hair cut at the salon next
door. Not sure if they do beard's though...... :-)
H'awk
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| 8.682 | | FRSBEE::BROOKS | DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS | Wed Feb 14 1990 17:07 | 14 |
| This is weird, that three Laker fans are jousting over this issue.
But I think Sean and I will make Dan see the light through his New
Yorker (City that is,) glasses.
BTW, I was very disappointed with the Rockets performance in the
last 5 minutes last night. (I only saw the last 10 minutes of the
game.)
BTW, I think Don Chaney is in trouble, although it's not his fault
that the front office passed up or traded away picks that could
have reulted in players like Drexler, Terry Porter, Mark Jackson (?),
and Sherman Douglas .... :-(
Doc
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| 8.683 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 17:20 | 9 |
|
Just an interesting story for you Celtic's fans. When driving
down in Boston one saturday afternoon my friend's uncle (a severe
celtic patriot) saw Tom Heinsohn (sp?) driving beside him. He got
his attention by waving to him and smiling and what did Tommy do?
He flipped him the ol' bird (and not the basketball player) and
laid on the gas. Nice guy... I thought it was a riot!! 8^)
sean
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| 8.684 | Standard driving procedures in Boston there Sean | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | MikeTyson,DonKing,ChrisKnorr | Wed Feb 14 1990 17:21 | 1 |
|
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| 8.685 | I wouldn't expect anything different from Tommy! | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Wed Feb 14 1990 17:26 | 1 |
|
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| 8.686 | Boston driving stories continued... | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 17:30 | 12 |
|
yeah, tell me about it.. one time a couple of summers ago at
a stop on Mass ave this car plastered with Celtics stickers pulled
up. I was wearing my Lakers hat (ok, not a smart move) and the
guy started in on me, telling me who the best player in basketball
was, etc. We both ended up out of the cars in the middle of the
street, screaming at each other at the top of our lungs with cars
beeping their horns and yelling obscenities. I won in the end though
'cause I ripped one of his huge celtics stickers off the car, dived
into mine and made a breakaway for the tpke... 8^)
sean
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| 8.687 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Wed Feb 14 1990 17:48 | 20 |
|
This note has been a riot today. In the midst of the Ewing/Akeem debate,
I've seen Larry Bird denigrated for a) shooting a measley 15-30 from the floor,
and b) for 'trying to take charge' and leaving McHale & Parish out of the flow.
Of course, Larry's 'attempt' at taking charge resulted in 38 points, 14 bounds,
and 8 assists. Gawd, I wonder what he would have ended up with if he had
succeeded in taking control!!! :-)
As far as the C's not getting the ball down low to Parish & McHale last
night. It had less to do with Bird taking over, and more with the refs allowing
Akeem, Buck Johnson, Thorpe and Larry Smith to pummel the C's big men all night
with fear of being call for a foul!!!
BTW Dan S., Bird was fouled on that play. The refs made the correct call
on both the foul and on not allowing the continuation. Sorry if the truth hurts,
but you must be used to that, seeing how you're a Nets fan!!! :-)
JimH
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| 8.688 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 18:00 | 23 |
|
Going back 1000 notes or so I found out who is responsible for
starting up this rather heated akeem/ewing debate (let's get the
"right" name first! :)...
> < Note 8.553 by HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER "When it hits, you feel okay" >
> -< Dominated the inside >-
>
> I'll take a look at Akeem's rebounds, but I think Ewing definitely out
> played him.
>
> Patrick Ewing is the best center in basketball today.
>
>Dan
Shame on you Dan!! (slap, slap) 8^)
How about we move on to another debate? I'm always game for a Clyde
Drexler - Dominique Wilkins battle. It's got all the potential
of another great east/west rivalry! (of course, Drexler is the
better by far, but...)
sean
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| 8.690 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 18:16 | 8 |
| Dominique is a supreme dunker and offensive showman but beyond
that there reallly isn't much. I think Clyde is much better rounded
and receives less media attention than Dominique soley because he
plays on a team waaay out west and it is not the Lakers. &^)
You'd be amazed how many east coast NBA fans don't know who
Drexler is.... sad...
sean
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| 8.691 | | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Wed Feb 14 1990 18:18 | 6 |
| Funny Stevie_boy (I've gotten into the habit of calling my 6 yr. old
that all the time now!), but I had the same exact thought when I read
that note. Yes, it was a beaut! Slight correction (I think)- wasn't
it specifically "cocaine", not just "drugs"?
H'awk
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| 8.692 | | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Wed Feb 14 1990 18:43 | 3 |
| Hey JD, been talkin' to Catalano recently I see!
Denny ;^)
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| 8.693 | sorry to ask a real question..... | TOLKIN::FARLEY | Have YOU seen Elvis today?? | Wed Feb 14 1990 18:45 | 11 |
| Sorry to disturb this week's LDUC but
I caught the last 5 seconds of a broadcast
about Kenny Smith and somebody else getting traded to
somebody. How's that for details?
Anybody know anything about supposed deal?
.....and now back to the regularly scheduled mess!!
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| 8.694 | | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Wed Feb 14 1990 18:46 | 2 |
| Smif to the Hawks for Antoine Carr.
Denny
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| 8.695 | How's this, TOLKIN::FARLEY? :-) | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Wed Feb 14 1990 18:48 | 3 |
| -< Jim McMahon is still a Charger, in case you haven't heard. >-
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| 8.696 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 18:48 | 5 |
|
actually Kings Smith and Williams were traded for Hawks Carr,
Toney and 1991 second round draft pick...
sean
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| 8.697 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Waiting in the wings... | Wed Feb 14 1990 19:49 | 7 |
| Sean,
I like Clyde the Glide better than Dominique...
JD
Denny ???
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| 8.698 | it's unanimous. drexler over wilkins. :) | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 14 1990 19:51 | 6 |
| well... moving back to the Akeem/Ewing forum... 8^)
When do Houston and NY play anyways? I hope they already haven't
played... Does anyone know?
sean
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| 8.699 | Re .698 | WFOV12::MORRISON | Starosc nie radosc | Thu Feb 15 1990 11:09 | 6 |
|
If I read my schedule correctly, Knicks @ Rockets tonight.
Bull
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| 8.700 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celtics destroy/destroyed the/by West | Thu Feb 15 1990 11:16 | 2 |
|
Bull's right they go at it tonight. Anyone know if it's on TNT?
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| 8.701 | No TNT | WFOV12::MORRISON | Starosc nie radosc | Thu Feb 15 1990 11:36 | 6 |
|
Mike, the schedule I have (which lists TNT & CBS games) has
it listed as not televised.
Bull
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| 8.702 | | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Thu Feb 15 1990 11:45 | 10 |
| Note 8.663 by LEVERS::STROUT
> Pain, naah, Akeem played average and that's all I wanted. But now
> that you mention it, here's a pretty painful stat:
>
> Boston Celtics at San Antonio Spurs, Wed Feb 14, 8:30 pm.
>
> sean
What a prophet! Musta hurt BIGTIME, eh Sean?
Denny
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| 8.703 | | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Thu Feb 15 1990 11:49 | 8 |
| Next time any of you plunk down your $20-$30 to see an NBA game (in
cities where you can git tix) consider this little tidbit:
The NBA has given Commish David Stern a $10 MILLION BONUS!! They have
also given him a new 5 year contract at $3.5 MILLION per year! This
comes out to over $27 MILLION over the next 5 years. It equals more
money than all the other commissioners in all the other sports have
made COMBINED-FOREVER!!
Denny
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| 8.704 | preferably a drug clinic, seeing how Bush ignores them... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celtics destroy/destroyed the/by West | Thu Feb 15 1990 12:07 | 10 |
|
Sure is a lot of money more than he's worth but the job he has done to
promote basketball and bring it to a new level he certainly deserves
some recognition........
hopefully he'll make a sizable donation to charity....
and send guys like Bird, Jordan and Magic a big THANKS....
mike
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| 8.705 | | SAGE::ROSS | Charlotte bound? | Thu Feb 15 1990 13:14 | 7 |
| Lakers lose in OT to Portland.
Celts come back from 17 down in the first to whip the Spurs. McHale
made Cummings look like a scared pup. Bird shot lousy, but still made
the big plays when they were needed. Michael and Charles Smith played
very well. David Robinson was impressive. I'll take him over Akeem
right now.
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| 8.706 | How'd Worthy do, Doug ~/~? | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good Bye! | Thu Feb 15 1990 13:19 | 0 |
| 8.707 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Thu Feb 15 1990 13:33 | 12 |
| > What a prophet! Musta hurt BIGTIME, eh Sean?
What a funny prophecy huh? I stated Boston would Play San Antonio
on Wed, Feb 14, at 8:30pm and whattayaknow? They DID!! Should
you insert foot in mouth now?
Any stats on Robinson? I didn't see the game and only heard
a brief synopsis in the morning. Robinson over Akeem? nah.
Robinson over Ewing? you bet! 8^)
sean
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| 8.708 | You gotta beleive, Slasher ;^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celtics destroy/destroyed the/by West | Thu Feb 15 1990 13:36 | 8 |
| But Sean, the Lakers went down last night so that must of hurt...
;^)
see ya sunday..........
mike
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| 8.709 | | IAMOK::AHEARN | Rams vs. Bengals in SB XXV | Thu Feb 15 1990 13:46 | 12 |
| Re: .707,
Sean,
More than one noter interpreted your Celtics-Spurs comment to read:
"Watch the Celtics get their butts kicked!!"
And IMHO, if you deny that to be your intent....you're LYING!!!
Nelly
(Who hates when noters make an @sshole-ish prediction and then deny it)
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| 8.710 | 8^) | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Thu Feb 15 1990 14:09 | 24 |
| > And IMHO, if you deny that to be your intent....you're LYING!!!
Well, guess I can't say much then. I never said that they would
lose. I implied that they would have a hard time (which whether
they did or not I don't know because I didn't watch the game).
Did I ever say Boston was going to lose to Houston? In the anti-celtic
bash note I just said that it was going to be war (the road trip)...
thassit... You see, maybe you overrate my contempt for the Celtics.
I don't nearly hate them as much as some other unmentionable teams.
This was definitely a WC(tm) game (except for the fact that I wanted
Robinson to do good and he did).
> (Who hates when noters make an @sshole-ish prediction and then deny it)
Relax, this isn't 128, you can peel your fingers out of the
keyboard anytime you want... How many sleepless nights has this
caused you anyways? 8^)
re: Lakers
Yeah, that game had a terrible ending, but it *was* a great
game (two best teams in the NBA right now). I guess Portland was
PO'd that they lost in overtime at home during there first meeting.
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| 8.711 | | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Thu Feb 15 1990 15:26 | 3 |
| You called it a 'painful stat' I was just wondering how much it
hurt. Sure didn't cause much 'pain' to C's fans!
Denny
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| 8.712 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Thu Feb 15 1990 15:59 | 7 |
| Denny, yeah, but prior to the game I bet it was viewed as painful
by a lot of people! 8^)
Chicago lost, LA lost, Detroit didn't get a chance to lose,
Phoenix won... what a bad night in the NBA!!! 8^)
sean
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| 8.713 | | REFINE::MISURACA | UCONN: The Cinderella Story | Thu Feb 15 1990 16:51 | 1 |
| It can't be all that bad, the Sixers won!!!
|
| 8.714 | 1 good thing... | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Thu Feb 15 1990 16:54 | 6 |
|
re: steve
Ok... this is true. How did Barkley do anyways?? 8^)
sean
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| 8.715 | Spurs/Celtics Commentary | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Feb 15 1990 17:16 | 18 |
| Interesting commentary in the local paper on last night's
Spurs/Celtics' game. The headline was - Celtics show Spurs'
weaknesses. The article said that San Antonio needs more bench
strength and a streak shooter, especially one who can hit the 3
pointer. The Cs' bench outscored San Antonio's bench by something like
40 to 10. Once the Spurs get beyond Cummings, Cheeks, and Robinson,
there isn't much else there.
The writer also made some comments about Bird. He said that Bird
doesn't appear to be fitting into Jimmy Rodgers' offense. He isn't
driving the lane anymore and teams are now adapting and defensing him
on the perimeter and aren't giving him anymore of his automatic
jumpshots. Bird was 8 for 23 last night. The Celtics staged their
comeback with Bird on the bench. Reggie Lewis, Smith, and McHale were
the ones who did the job for the Cs.
Robinson had something like 32 points (Parrish had 16), 13 rebounds,
and 6 blocks.
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| 8.716 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Thu Feb 15 1990 17:30 | 13 |
|
Thanks for the stats, Mac.
My roomie told me that the key reason the C's came back was
because of one M. Smith. I guess they were down by 15 or so (?)
in the second and when Bird went to the bench they went on a
12+ to 0 run over SA fueled by Smith's play. I'm not sure, but
did this happen a lot in the game? (Bird in - low C production,
Bird out, Smith in - high C production)
SA has to develop a better bench, agreed. SA isn't going to
win an champeenship with 10 point production from the bench.
sean
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| 8.717 | ;^) | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Thu Feb 15 1990 17:37 | 2 |
| So, is M. Smith better than Akeem yet?
Denny
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| 8.718 | 8^) | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Thu Feb 15 1990 17:41 | 3 |
| Better than Ooing(tm) but still not a Dream...
sean
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| 8.719 | Barkley's stats | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good Bye! | Thu Feb 15 1990 17:58 | 2 |
| PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
BARKLEY F 31 12-16 5-6 3 5 8 5 2 5 5 30
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| 8.720 | Checking on Vern | CSCMA::OBRIEN | | Thu Feb 15 1990 20:07 | 11 |
|
Does anyone know if Vern Fleming got hurt last night ? He played
most of the first half and then Ricky Green took over, was it because
Vern got injured or was he in the doghouse for his 4 turnovers?
Thanks in advance for any info,
Scott
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| 8.721 | White shirt night at the Charlotte Colesium | SHALOT::MEDVID | Now it's ACID ROCK | Fri Feb 16 1990 12:03 | 8 |
| Denver is in town to play the Hornets. On the front of today's sports
page is a picture of Doug Moe sitting in a classy suit, white shirt,
and silk tie. Leaning on his shoulder is George Shinn wearing a plaid
jacket and a white shirt with the top two buttons undone.
Shinn has a sense of humor afterall.
--dan'l
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| 8.722 | | IAMOK::AHEARN | Rams vs. Bengals in SB XXV | Fri Feb 16 1990 12:44 | 5 |
| Anyone have the final score of the Lakers' game last night?
Thanks,
Nelly
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| 8.723 | Rockets over Knicks | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Feb 16 1990 13:41 | 5 |
| The Rockets defeated the Knicks last night primarily on the strength of
Thorpe's rebounding. The Rockets out rebounded the Knicks 78-33 with
Thorpe getting 18 in the first half alone. Houston was able to pick up
the game and put NY away in the 4th quarter. Houston has been
notorious lately for putting in miserable final quarters.
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| 8.724 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Fri Feb 16 1990 13:46 | 4 |
|
Holy Thorpe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks Mac!
sean
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| 8.725 | Lakers win | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | The grass is greener, but you still have to mow it! | Fri Feb 16 1990 17:34 | 1 |
| Lakers won 101-92 last night.
|
| 8.726 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Fri Feb 16 1990 17:37 | 3 |
| what.. i mean who did they beat?
sean
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| 8.727 | Stern's new contract | SHALOT::HUNT | Send lawyers, guns, and money ... | Fri Feb 16 1990 17:44 | 15 |
| Saw in today's paper that NBA commish David Stern just inked a
five-year deal to stay on as NBA commissioner.
The price ???
$27,500,000. That's right, twenty-seven point-five *MILLION*
dollars. He gets a $10,000,000 bonus and a salary of $3.5 million
per year.
Wow !!! That's some major bucks there, guys.
It's also more than Tagliabue (NFL), Vincent (MLB), and Ziegler
(NHL) make *combined*.
Bob Hunt
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| 8.728 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Fri Feb 16 1990 17:54 | 15 |
|
The Lakers beat the Kings last night 102-91. Antoine Carr was
Sacramento's first person off the bench and scored 17 points. Sedric Toney
scored 3 points, in what looks to be Garbage Time.
In his first game as a Hawk, Kenny Smith had 4 points and 2 assists
in 11 minutes.
On an unrelated subject, does anybody know why Sam Vincent got a
DNP in last night's game against the Hawks???
JimH
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| 8.729 | The proof is in the pudding ! | EARRTH::BROOKS | DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS | Fri Feb 16 1990 20:38 | 9 |
| Noters :
Have you noticed how the Rockets kicked the Knicks glutmus maximus
ever so thoroughly last night, and Akeem cleaned Patrick "The Man"
Ewing's clock, but we see no sign of Mr Schneider ?
Figures,
DrM
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| 8.730 | Worsty game by Oakley in a looong time | DEC25::MCFALL | Spaced, without a trace | Fri Feb 16 1990 20:50 | 9 |
| > Have you noticed how the Rockets kicked the Knicks glutmus maximus
> ever so thoroughly last night, and Akeem cleaned Patrick "The Man"
> Ewing's clock, but we see no sign of Mr Schneider ?
How do you figure, Dr. M? Ewing held his own, at least, against
Olajuwon, and got him to foul out... Looked more like Thorpe and Floyd
kicked butt on Oakley and Jackson to me..
Jim M
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| 8.731 | Travelling Man | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Feb 16 1990 20:58 | 2 |
| Dan said something about having to catch a plane late yesterday
afternoon. I guess he won't be around for a couple of weeks.
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| 8.732 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 19 1990 12:35 | 7 |
| Celtics weekend results:
Portland - 120
Boston - 101
Los Angeles - 116
Boston - 110
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| 8.733 | | SAGE::ROSS | Send in the clowns | Mon Feb 19 1990 12:43 | 15 |
| The talk in the Boston Globe this weekend was over whether the Celtics
could/should/would make a deal before the trading deadline. The issue
of trading Bird to Indiana was brought up, but dismissed because "the
guy who did it would be run out of town by the fans".
I don't agree. We've had Bird for 11 great years. He's not going to
get better. For the Celtics to stay at or near the top, they need some
youth.... fast.
The proposed trade was Bird for Person, Fleming, and a first pick. I
think that's a little much. Bird for Person and a first or Bird for
Fleming and two firsts would be fine with me.
Are there people out there who would be THAT upset if that type of deal
was made?
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| 8.734 | #31 in the program #1 in my heart | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hey Fish, GET IN THE BOAT | Mon Feb 19 1990 13:11 | 13 |
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I don't know Doug, I could handle Bird for Flemming and Picks but not
Pearson. Chuck is a gunner ala Bird but doesn't pass or rebound like
Bird. He would be an improvement defesively though, although Worthy
made Bird look all-nba defensively yesterday ;^).....
Celts need a good guard bad though and Flemming while not an upper
echelon type is a steady all around performer......
Since they gave up Maxwel, I will never ever be bother by a trade of
any player at any time......
mike
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| 8.735 | "Climb on my back, boys!" | SASE::SZABO | OURGNG District Mad Whacker Bailiff | Mon Feb 19 1990 14:16 | 7 |
| Hey Mikey, I'm with you on the Maxwell deal. I'll always feel that
they gave up on the guy much too soon. I think he could've/would've
come back to form given time.
Is Max playing hoops anywhere now?
Hawk
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| 8.736 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Mon Feb 19 1990 15:07 | 28 |
|
I only saw the 4th qtr. yesterday. Going by that, I would say that
there is no way Bird is worth a Fleming/Person and two 1st rounders.
At this stage in his career, he is not worth any more than one 2nd
round pick or one old player. When crunch time came, Bird was throwing
up bricks or throwing the ball away. He simply doesn't have it any
more. He should think about retiring.
The Nuggets went into Charlotte this weekend and choked it away. For
whatever reason the Hornets love to play the Nuggets. Two of their nine
wins are at the expense of the Nuggets. Charlotte leads their series
2-1. The Nuggets losing their leading scorer, Walter Davis, didn't
help. He has an inflamation of the lining under the knee cap, ouch!,
that has caused persistent swelling. It is not known how long he will
be out.
On Saturday the Nuggets traveled up the coast to NJ to meet what is
without a doubt the worst team in the NBA, the Nets. Those guys are
simply terrible. The Nuggets played lousy, except for English who had
39 points, and still won by about 10. "Air" Danny Schayes' ankle is
bothering him again and he was supposed to sit out the Nets game but
had to play due to foul trouble to the front court.
Too bad we didn't get the Suns game yesterday. I would have liked to
have seen Chambers go wild.
HOOT
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| 8.737 | | PNO::HEISER | Kitty Hawk fever | Mon Feb 19 1990 15:13 | 15 |
| Chambers had the "radar" on yesterday. He even said afterwards that
some shots didn't feel right and still went in. This guy is starting
to remind me of a young Bird, except he's a little more mobile :-)
Re: Bird
He still takes a majority of opponents to school. I think he
disappears in LA games because of the defense being put on him. Worthy
is so quick that he takes him out of the offense. Bird still gets his
assists and rebounds though. The last 2 years or so, Bird gets taken
out more often than not against LA.
God they need a guard that can shoot!
Mike
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| 8.738 | | COMET::MONTGOMERY | A BIG 8^) | Mon Feb 19 1990 15:25 | 11 |
| > Bird still gets his
> assists and rebounds though.
I give you the assists, but his shoes yesterday looked like they
where in cement for rebounds... He just stood there and watched
As the Lakers gave him a lesson!!!!;^)
Monty
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| 8.739 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 19 1990 15:34 | 17 |
|
Bird doesn't fit into the Celtics game plan anymore. He used
to be a high percentage field goal shooter who you could always
depend on in the clutch with a hefty defensive game to boot.
Now, being a slower player than he was, he seems to force his
shots so that:
1. he has an unobstructed shot
2. the defender does not have time to block/obstruct him
He used to be the great kind of half court player who could
work his away around 1,2 even 3 defenders to make a great shot or
hit an open man under the basket.
Occasionally he does make some great plays but he is not even
close to being par to the player he was several years ago.
sean
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| 8.740 | | REFINE::ASHE | Poor ol' Johnny Ray.... | Mon Feb 19 1990 16:00 | 5 |
| Mike,
What happened that caused the Warriors to get so many T's yesterday?
-Walt
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| 8.741 | Mike, at 31 Chambers isn't so young. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good Bye! | Mon Feb 19 1990 16:08 | 0 |
| 8.742 | Next to lEe, Chambers is just a kid! :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Mon Feb 19 1990 16:17 | 1 |
|
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| 8.743 | ANOTHER WORLD HEARD FROM | TUNER::PERRAULT | | Mon Feb 19 1990 16:31 | 12 |
| I DON'T THINK THE CELTS WILL EVER TRADE BIRD. HE IS AVERAGING NEAR
20 POINTS, 10 REBS AND 10 ASSISTS A GAME. HOW MANY OTHER GUYS ARE
DOING THAT, CONSISTENTLY. THE GUARD SITUATION IS NOT GOING TO GET
BETTER BY TRADING BIRD. HE IS STILL TOO VALUABLE TO THEM. A GOOD
POINT GUARD WILL BENEFIT FROM BIRDS DOUBLE TEAMING ON HIM TO OPEN
UP A SHOOTING GUARD. LARRY IS LIKE MAGIC TO HIS TEAM. WHEN ERVIN
GETS OLDER AND SLOWS WILL THEY TRADE HIM? NO WAY. THEIR HEART AND
SOUL MEANS TOO MUCH TO THE TEAM. DON'T FORGET THIS IS A TEAM EFFORT.
ITS PROBABLY CELTIC HATERS THAT WANT TO SEE LARRY GONE ANYWAY. :)
MP
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| 8.744 | Run Gonney Bird out on a rail ! | EARRTH::BROOKS | DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS | Mon Feb 19 1990 16:33 | 1 |
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| 8.745 | Chambers..Bird... ship 'em all to Indiana | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 19 1990 16:51 | 9 |
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re: .743
I disagree. Do you really think replacing Bird with younger
talent will kill the team? I've seen quite a few games this year
where Bird has been more of a hindrance than a help. Let him go
to Indiana, it's his troo(tm) home. 8^)
sean
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| 8.746 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Skiing,Soccer,Quiche,LimpWrists | Mon Feb 19 1990 17:38 | 11 |
| RE: Bird not worth Flemming/Person and/or two #1's
From a basketball perpesctive no. From a business perspective
YES. Bird will put hoosier fannies in the Market Square Arena for
the next 2 to 3 years, and the Pacers can charge whatever they want
for a ticket. Indiana would make that deal in a minute. With the
money they make from ticket sales they could land some quality free
agents a few years down the road. I would trade Larry now while
his marketability is still greater than his baketball skills.
/Don
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| 8.747 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Mon Feb 19 1990 18:51 | 18 |
|
Gate receipts are only a minor portion of a teams income. What is
Indiana's attendence now? Picking up Bird's huge contract can't
possibly be made up in ticket sales unless the place is virtually empty
now. I agree with the sentiment that Boston won't trade him. They will
want too much for him and I doubt if anyone will want to pick up that
contract for a player that is obviously on the downhill side of his
career. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Celtics use him coming off
the bench the next couple of years for some quick offense. The guy
still can shoot, when he is not tired. In the past, he could suck it up
at crunch time and drill the basket from anywhere. Now it appears that
he loses his touch after he has been in for too many minutes.
Before someone jumps on me, no I haven't seen that many Celtics games
this year. But, the ones I have seen followed the above scenario.
HOOT
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| 8.748 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hey Fish, GET IN THE BOAT | Mon Feb 19 1990 19:23 | 22 |
|
No Hoot, no need to jump at you it's an accurate assessment of Bird.
He did come off of major surgery on two feet so I for one hope that
he still just a bit out of shape. His minutes should be cut and Lewis
should get more time at small forward. Problem is the backcourt when
stable is even older than Bird so they need him out there with the
younger guards to help control the offensive flow of the game. You
saw what happen the first time they went to Gamble and Lewis at the
guards yesterday no?
most amazing point of the game, 2nd quarter Magic Johnson called for
PALMING. unbelievable the look on his face was priceless......
I just saw the third quarter of the Rockets/Bulls, the Rockets sure
can fast break when they want to. They turned a 16 point half time
defict to 7 point lead with about 5 minutes still left in the quarter.
Awesome domination on both boards. Bulls did retie it before the end
of the quarter though....
why? Rockets stopped running....
mike
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| 8.749 | Bird is valuable | TUNER::PERRAULT | | Mon Feb 19 1990 19:36 | 15 |
| .745 replacing bird with younger talent will kill the team?
No, I don't think that is what I meant. What I meant was he IS still
valuable as a playmaker, younger talent would open this up even more.
He is still a good rebounder, and as a couple back said, he can still
drill the ball, although not as well as before. He does have a big
contract and draw appeal, but the celtics draw anyway. Do you think
that LA would have still won in the 80's without the old, slowing
Kareem? TOugh question. That type of player means alot to a team.
Look at the celts last year, basically the same talent, less this year
at guard and they are much more competitive. I have to think that
Larry does have a lot to do with that. Just his presence on the
court is valuable. JMO
mp
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| 8.750 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 19 1990 19:42 | 16 |
|
re: .749
When talking about Kareem, I really felt that he was a hindrance
to the team in his last 2 seasons. He had been reduced to an ailing
offensive player with no defense. Worthy and Magic were rebounding
more than him 8^). I had hoped that maybe he would've left the
season after they beat the Celtics, allowing LA to recuperate and
build a team not centering around him like they have today.
I don't believe Bird is as bad off yet as Kareem was. He still
has time to redeem himself in my eyes and put forth a couple of
more great seasons. If he doesn't however, it would be best for
the Celtics to trade him now no matter what sentimental value he
has to the team. JMO, as usual 8^)
sean
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| 8.751 | Larry =one of the best ever | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Mon Feb 19 1990 23:11 | 13 |
| Lets give Bird this years stats to say.....Nate McMillen, or
any other average NBA player. The respective city that the
player plays for would make a bronze statue of that player with
Bird's this year stats. The guy is coming off a serious injury
and is (INMO) no worse than the 3rd or 4th BEST forward in all of
the NBA. As old as he is...I dont think he will improve greatly
but he will become more consistent like he was before injury.
He isnt gonna make EVERY single shot he shoots, he is just a
ball-player, without him....the Celtics would not need to make
a trade to get a lottery pick because they would get one on thier
own.
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| 8.752 | | DECXPS::TIMMONS | I'm a Pepere! | Tue Feb 20 1990 09:43 | 15 |
| I can't believe what I'm reading. How can any Celtic fan even consider
such a move?
How would anyone replace Bird? Okay, amybe he is on the downside
of his career, but his downside is better than most players will
ever be when they are at the top of their game.
The REAL problem on this team is the style of play. It's a different
game out there then it was two years ago. Rogers is trying something
that doesn't seem to be working consistently. Maybe it's the wrong
game, maybe the players aren't right for this game style. Whatever,
it hasn't worked. Will it ever, with the cast available? Wish
I knew, I could make some bucks either way. But I don't.
Lee
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| 8.753 | | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Tue Feb 20 1990 11:16 | 4 |
| You can believe whatever you want Hoot, but according to the article
in Sundays Globe, the Pacers check with the Celtics on a 'regular
basis' to see if Bird is available.
Denny
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| 8.754 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Tue Feb 20 1990 14:18 | 9 |
| Houston - 102
Chicago - 107
The *big* story 8^)
Olajuwon shoots 13-22 on a 32 point night with 17 rebounds and 9
blocked shots. Damn! Missed the triple double!
sean
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| 8.755 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue Feb 20 1990 14:53 | 12 |
|
Mike,
Yeah, I loved that palming call! He is a master of it. Drive the lane,
palm the ball, defense commits, take another dribble, lay it in.
I saw most of the 2nd qtr. of that Chicago-Houston game. When I saw the
news last night I was amazed that Houston got close. They looked bad in
the 2nd qtr. Chicago was doing whatever they pleased. I guess that's
why they play 4 qtrs.
HOOT
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| 8.756 | | PNO::HEISER | Kitty Hawk fever | Tue Feb 20 1990 15:37 | 10 |
| > <<< Note 8.740 by REFINE::ASHE "Poor ol' Johnny Ray...." >>>
>
> Mike,
>
> What happened that caused the Warriors to get so many T's yesterday?
-Walt, there weren't any fights. It was mainly out of frustration.
The Warriors were out of it by the end of the first quarter.
Mike
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| 8.757 | | PNO::HEISER | Kitty Hawk fever | Tue Feb 20 1990 15:38 | 3 |
| Re: Chambers being 31
...at least he doesn't play like it!
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| 8.758 | | PNO::HEISER | Kitty Hawk fever | Tue Feb 20 1990 15:42 | 16 |
| > The REAL problem on this team is the style of play. It's a different
> game out there then it was two years ago. Rogers is trying something
> that doesn't seem to be working consistently. Maybe it's the wrong
> game, maybe the players aren't right for this game style. Whatever,
> it hasn't worked. Will it ever, with the cast available? Wish
> I knew, I could make some bucks either way. But I don't.
Lee, you hit the nail square on the head. JR's style doesn't suit
Larry & Co. and if things don't improve, I bet we'll see another Bill
Fitch scenario.
JR is going to have to let the boys play THEIR game not HIS game.
Magic isn't the only one that can get a coach fired. JR should adjust
his perspective to realize that!
Mike
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| 8.759 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Tue Feb 20 1990 19:02 | 4 |
|
Lakers at San Antonio tonight on TNT... Don't miss this one!
sean
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| 8.760 | Backup point guard needed in San Antonio? | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Feb 20 1990 19:44 | 9 |
| There was an article on Mo Cheeks in the paper here recently. There is
concern that Cheeks is logging too many minutes at this stage in his
career. Larry Brown and Co. is afraid Cheeks may be worn out come
playoff time. Cheeks isn't worried. San Antonio doesn't have a
legitimate point guard yet that can adequately provide even backup for
Cheeks. It was acknowledged that there were trade rumors involving SA
and NY for a point guard for the Spurs (Elliot for Strickland), but
SA's GM said they were just rumors and that SA would be very reluctant
to make any trades at this time.
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| 8.761 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hey Fish, GET IN THE BOAT | Wed Feb 21 1990 11:32 | 16 |
|
Well the San Antionio Lakers was a good one no doubt about it. It such
a shame though that they allow the Lakers to get away with all that
they do. Great defense by Thompson and Divac on Robinson. For those
that didn't catch it Lakers won in OT. Not sure of the exact score
but after Robinson hit a jumper to put the Spurs up by two, the Lakers
inbounded the ball with about 7 seconds left made a few passes and then
kicked the ball back out to Scott who was wide open and drained the
3 pointer for the victory. Needless to say the boistrious crowd was
stunned....
Kevin Johnson had his way with the C's last night as the Suns erased
an early 12 point defict to blow the C's out by about 20.....Nothing
pretty in this one unless of course you're a Suns fan....
mike
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| 8.762 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 21 1990 13:07 | 12 |
|
Great game last night between SA-LA (especially if you're a
Laker fan 8^) Final score, FWIW, was 115-114 (OT). Robinson,
I believe, scored a triple double in points, rebounds and blocks.
I've seen all the SA games in the last couple of weeks and people
are going to have a hard time convincing me that Ewing is better
than him at the center position (of course, behind Akeem 8^).
If you don't think so now, wait just a few years until Robinson
gains more experience and understanding of the opponents. It's very
easy to forget he is only a rookie when you watch him play.
sean
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| 8.763 | | SAGE::ROSS | Fantasy Baseball Lockout | Wed Feb 21 1990 13:59 | 29 |
| I was listening to Eddie Andelman's radio show on the way home from
work yesterday... the main topic of conversation was the Celtics and
possible trades. To get an idea of how stupid some people out there
in Boston Sportsland are, here are some proposed trades:
Pinckney and a first round pick to Sacramento for Ainge
Pinckney to Houston for John Lucas
McHale to Atlanta for Doc Rivers, Cliff Levingston, and a first
Bird to Indiana for their next four first round picks
McHale to Minnesota for several picks...
Bird to San Antonio for David Robinson...
You get the idea?
Andelman claims Bird told him he WILL NOT go anywhere else, not even
Indiana.
I think the only deal that might be possible in the next day would be
to send McHale somewhere for a guard and a draft pick. But there aren't
many teams with depth at guard.
How about McHale to Phoenix for Hornacek and a first?
to Dallas for Derek Harper and a first or second?
to LA Clips for Garrick and a first {lottery}?
to Charlotte for Bogues/Curry and a first {lottery}?
The last two would hurt short term, but a lottery pick could turn
out to be Rumeal Robinson... or heaven help us if Chris Jackson decides
he's tired of Dale Brown's act.
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| 8.764 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Skiing,Soccer,Quiche,LimpWrists | Wed Feb 21 1990 14:01 | 5 |
| Chris Jackson continues to say he's at LSU for four years Doug.
The Celtics will not make a deal because they're still raking in
money.
/Don
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| 8.765 | In case you missed it !!! | ODIXIE::GOGGINS | I would quit my job but I like to eat | Wed Feb 21 1990 14:09 | 17 |
| James Worthy hit a clutch jump shot with 2 seconds left to send the
game into overtime and Byron Scott hit a 3 pointer as the buzzer
sounded to hand the San Antonio Spurs a 115-114 loss at home.
"When I let it go, I knew it was in" Scott said " If you were watching
me you could tell by my reaction that I knew what was going on.
David Robinson blocked ten shots, scored 23 points and registered 16
rebounds (triple double the hard way).
Worthy scored 27 points and Magic 19 with 13 assists.
stay tuned...
Myron 8^)
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| 8.766 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 21 1990 14:11 | 8 |
| > Bird to San Antonio for David Robinson...
Are you kidding???? I don't see how that would benefit either
team. Boston needs a guard/s. Would Robinson or Parish start?
Back to SA... What happens to Cummings? Who's the center now?
This is by far the most unbelievable thing I've heard! 8^)
sean
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| 8.767 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Feb 21 1990 14:11 | 14 |
| 8.768 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 21 1990 14:14 | 9 |
|
re: Mac
Was SA threatening to sweep LA? I thought the series going
into the game was 2-1 in SA favor (with SA having one victory in
LA 86-84). It ended up 2-2 with each winning on the other home
court once. Is this right or am I mistaken?
sean
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| 8.769 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Does Trump like Maple syrup? | Wed Feb 21 1990 14:17 | 4 |
| Sean you're right. Boy Pat Riley looked like he had to much
coffee or something last night. 8^)
/Don
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| 8.770 | Call him "Jimmy Clutch" Worthy | FRSBEE::BROOKS | DrM : The Conscience Of SPORTS | Wed Feb 21 1990 14:22 | 5 |
| re .765
Worthy had a clutch J eh ? Funny Doug never mentioned that.....
DrM
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| 8.771 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 21 1990 14:27 | 6 |
| > Worthy had a clutch J eh ? Funny Doug never mentioned that.....
He also hit a *key* three pointer when they were down by 4 with
less than 2 minutes to go in the game! Go Clutch! 8^)
sean
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| 8.772 | got my POPB on today... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hey Fish, GET IN THE BOAT | Wed Feb 21 1990 14:41 | 16 |
| The 3 pointer was the clutch/lucky ;^) jumper that Jimmy Clang hit late
in the game he also clanged a few earlier from inside 10 to keep his
rep alive.....
Mac, Robinson had most of his points in the first half the third
quarter and most of the fourth he was effectively shut off. When a
guy score 10 points in the first five minutes of a game anf finishes
with 23 I'd say they made a good defensive adjustment to control him.
he also had 7 boards in that time so they were effective on him. Of
course the ref throwing 2 fouls at him in the first five minutes helped
thier cause.....
either way the Fakers are the luckiest team in the NBA :^)
mike
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| 8.773 | | PNO::HEISER | Kitty Hawk fever | Wed Feb 21 1990 14:46 | 8 |
| >How about McHale to Phoenix for Hornacek and a first?
I believe that move would lock up the Western title for Phoenix.
McHale and Chambers is quite a combo and brings Phoenix the power
forward that can score and play defense. This is what they desparately
need.
Mike
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| 8.774 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 21 1990 14:59 | 5 |
| re: .773
What about Rambis???? 8^)
sean
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| 8.775 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Mill bound in 12 hours... | Wed Feb 21 1990 15:00 | 4 |
| Hey, anyone hear anything on Micheal Cooper's condition? Man, that
was some scary fall he took.
JD
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| 8.776 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Wed Feb 21 1990 15:03 | 6 |
|
Yep, at the end of the fourth quarter (near the end) they said
that he was on his way back from the hospital to the game and that
everything is ok. PHEW!
sean
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| 8.777 | Keep Charlotte out of this; they've got enough problems | SHALOT::MEDVID | Now it's ACID ROCK | Wed Feb 21 1990 15:05 | 10 |
| >How about McHale to Charlotte for Bogues/Curry and a first {lottery}?
Charlotte does not need or want another old man in teal. Of course, no
one said they are a patient bunch. In one year, they've traded away
next year's second rounder for Stuart Grey and fired Harter.
If they would take McHale, it might be for Grey and Curry. No way
would they ever give up their pick which will definetly be lottery.
--dan'l
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| 8.778 | Any further word? | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Feb 21 1990 15:15 | 1 |
| Cooper did return for the OT period - wearing a neck brace.
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| 8.779 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Wed Feb 21 1990 15:39 | 8 |
|
I heard he had a "cervical sprain".
Speaking of Charlotte...
How can anyone root for a team that has JR Reid, Kelly Tripuka, and to
round out the whiners, Rex Chapman?
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| 8.780 | Hoot, people root for the Broncos, don't they? :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Wed Feb 21 1990 15:50 | 1 |
|
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| 8.781 | | SAGE::ROSS | Fantasy Baseball Lockout | Wed Feb 21 1990 16:08 | 37 |
| > <<< Note 8.777 by SHALOT::MEDVID "Now it's ACID ROCK" >>>
> -< Keep Charlotte out of this; they've got enough problems >-
>
>>How about McHale to Charlotte for Bogues/Curry and a first {lottery}?
>
> Charlotte does not need or want another old man in teal. Of course, no
> one said they are a patient bunch. In one year, they've traded away
> next year's second rounder for Stuart Grey and fired Harter.
>
> If they would take McHale, it might be for Grey and Curry. No way
> would they ever give up their pick which will definetly be lottery.
>
McHale for Gray and Curry is ridiculous. Curry is an inconsistent
Johnny Newman-clone... but at least Newman comes to play. Curry looks
like he doesn't care. Gray is in the NBA simply because he is 7' tall.
He makes Greg Kite look like a decent player.
Charlotte's problems are:
1) Bogues would be a great guard off the bench, as a starter,
he costs you too much on the defensive end.
2) Reid and Gilliam can't be on the floor at the same time.
3) Tripucka and Robert Reid shouldn't be in the NBA anymore
4) Chapman has too much pressure on him to score
Kevin McHale would add more than just 20 points and 9 reb. a game to
the Hornets. He'd add some experience {some WINNING experience} and
a sure-thing go-to guy to take the pressure off Chapman.
How about McHale for Bogues and a first in 1991? That would give
the Hornets another lottery pick this year. If they can't make it
with three straight lottery picks and Armon Gilliam, then when will
they make it?
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| 8.782 | | PNO::HEISER | Kitty Hawk fever | Wed Feb 21 1990 16:58 | 3 |
| > What about Rambis???? 8^)
sean, I said someone who could score!
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| 8.783 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Wed Feb 21 1990 17:38 | 5 |
|
Dick Harter, "He is the most selfish ballplayer I have ever seen in my
life."
referring to Armon Gilliam
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| 8.784 | FOR INQUIRING MINDS....... | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Thu Feb 22 1990 03:40 | 34 |
| MO CHEEKS BROUGHT YEARS OF NBA EXPERIENCE TO THE YOUNG SPURS....
NOW HE BROUGHT ROD STRICKLAND!!!!!!!!!
STRICKLAND FOR CHEEKS. I DONT KNOW THE DETAILS.
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| 8.785 | the rest? | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hey Fish, GET IN THE BOAT | Thu Feb 22 1990 11:50 | 8 |
|
Anybody have a rundown on the rest of the trades made yesterday?
Interesting trade, Spurs basically said we want to be a contender
for the next few years not just this one. Knicks I assume feel that
they can win it all this year and probably hope that a classy guy
like Cheeks will help straighten out Action Jackson's head....
mike
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| 8.786 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Thu Feb 22 1990 12:37 | 17 |
|
In case you didn't know 8^) here's some of the late results
in the NBA:
Boston - 103
Utah - 116
Karl Malone scores 27 before being EJECTED??? in the third quarter?
Please tell more! I fell asleep after the first half.
Lakers - 113
Denver - 111
Lakers make it 5 in a row on the road... Don't have much more
on this one since I just heard the score on the radio.
sean
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| 8.787 | Tought to figure the Knicks | DEC25::MCFALL | Spaced, without a trace | Thu Feb 22 1990 13:00 | 26 |
|
Strickland/Cheeks deal:
Strickland unhappy being Jackson's caddy - wanted to start
Cheeks unhappy in San Antonio - wanted East Coast - preferably NY -
he gets his wish.
So, the players should be happy...
Knicks get a coach on the floor, playoff and championship experience -
CAN shoot the J at off guard if asked - but he's getting old.
Spurs get a talented youngster, who will get better, and will help
get the ball to Robinson.
Think the Knicks should have gotten more - like a Brickowski,
in the deal..
As a Knicks fan, I'm happy for the short-term and team chemistry,
but puzzled for the long term. In effect, Knicks trade 1988 and
1989 draft picks for Cheeks and Vandeweghe. ????
As a Basketball Rotis owner - I'm thrilled: I own Jackson AND Strickland
and both may now thrive :^)
Jim M
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| 8.788 | more details | ANALYZ::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Thu Feb 22 1990 13:00 | 6 |
| .786-
Sean, for more details, check out the Lakers conference on
WARCRY::LAKERS.
Sameer
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| 8.789 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Thu Feb 22 1990 13:21 | 8 |
|
re: .788
There's a LAKER'S CONFERENCE?????????? And NO ONE told me about
it????? (sounds like another Boston conspiracy to me...)
LET ME AT IT!!!! 8^)
sean
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| 8.790 | Blunder | ANALYZ::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Thu Feb 22 1990 13:30 | 7 |
| re .789-
Oops, that should be WARLRD, not WARCRY::LAKERS
Sorry about that.
Sameer
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| 8.791 | Strickland to SA *WAS* true - just not for Elliot | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Feb 22 1990 13:36 | 10 |
| The Spurs wanted fresh legs for the playoff drive. While they
aknowledged what Cheeks has done for this team up to this point, they
are concerned about the number of minutes he has been forced to play at
this stage of his career. The local paper didn't say if Cheeks was
unhappy playing in SA (neither he nor Strickland could be reached for
comment), but it did say if he had his choice he'd rather play on the
East coast.
The Spurs also traded Vernon Maxwell to Houston for an undisclosed
amount of cash.
|
| 8.792 | Don't forget how Cheecks landed in SA - look at Philly now | TALLIS::GOYKHMAN | Nostalgia ain't what it used to be | Thu Feb 22 1990 14:20 | 8 |
| Sounds like the trade is almost done. Philly got Johnny Dawkins
for Cheeks, now San Antonio got Strickland, and Mo lands back in NY.
I doubt that Strickland is worth a Dawkins, so it looks like Philly's
gotten the most in the deal. On the other hand, Wingate also went to
S.A., so it's Strickland and Wingate for Dawkins - not bad for the
Spurs either.
DG
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| 8.793 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Thu Feb 22 1990 15:35 | 4 |
|
The Nuggets traded a rookie guard that hasn't played, IR all season I
think, for that lazy stiff JB Carroll. Carroll is from Denver so just
maybe Moe will get something out of him, but I doubt it.
|
| 8.794 | | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Thu Feb 22 1990 15:39 | 2 |
| Joe Baby Carroll, isn't he the Ralphie clone?
Denny
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| 8.795 | Here are all the deals. Can't say I understand some of them. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good Bye! | Thu Feb 22 1990 15:42 | 71 |
|
Houston Rockets -- Traded swingman Derrick Chievous to the
Cleveland Cavaliers for for second round picks and an
undisclosed amount of cash; Houston will receive Cleveland's
1992 or 1994 second round pick and Boston's 1991 and 1993
second round picks acquired from New Jersey; acquired guard
Vernon Maxwell from the San Antonio Spurs for an undisclosed
amount of cash.
New Jersey Nets -- Traded center Joe Barry Carroll to the
Denver Nuggets for guard Michael Cutright and future
considerations; traded second round draft picks in 1991 and
1993 to the Cleveland Cavaliers for center Chris Dudley.
New York Knicks -- Traded guard Rod Strickland to the San
Antonio Spurs for guard Maurice Cheeks.
FLURRY OF ACTIVITY IN NBA AS TRADE DEADLINE APPROACHES
------------------------------------------------------
There was a flurry of trade activity Wednesday as the National
Basketball Association's trade deadline approached. The
deadline is tonight at 9 p.m. EST.
The New York Knicks and San Antonio headed the activity by
completing the day's biggest deal. The Knicks traded
second-year guard Rod Strickland to the Spurs for veteran guard
Maurice Cheeks.
Strickland, who was the Knicks' first round pick and 19th
overall out of DePaul in 1988, had requested to be traded due
to his unhappiness at playing behind Mark Jackson. Strickland
is averaging 8.4 points on 44 per cent shooting and 4.3 assists
this season. He was averaging only 20 minutes a game with New
York.
The 33-year-old Cheeks is playing in his 12th season, the first
11 with Philadelphia. Cheeks had been acquired by San Antonio
in an off-season deal from the 76ers along with forward Chris
Welp and guard David Wingate for guard Johnny Dawkins and
forward Jay Vincent.
The 6-foot-1 Cheeks is a four-time all-star and was averaging
12.2 points and 7.3 assists in his career entering this season.
He is averaging 10.9 points and 6.0 assists this season.
The New Jersey Nets completed separate deals with the Denver
Nuggets and Cleveland Cavaliers.
The Nets dealt 7-foot-1 center Joe Barry Carroll to the Nuggets
for guard Micheal Cutright and traded second round picks in
1991 and 1993 to the Cavaliers for center Chris Dudley.
Carroll, who was the first overall pick in the 1980 draft by
Golden State, is playing in his ninth N-B-A season. He is
averaging 8.8 points and 5.4 rebounds this season and came into
the year averaging 18.9 points and eight rebounds.
The Houston Rockets also completed two deals Wednesday, moving
swingman Derrick Chievous to the Cavaliers and acquiring guard
Vernon Maxwell from San Antonio.
The Rockets received three second round picks and an
undisclosed amount of cash from Cleveland for Chievous.
Houston will receive the Cavaliers' second round picks in 1992
or 1994 in addition to Boston's second round picks in 1991 and
1993. Cleveland had acquired the picks from New Jersey, which
received them in a deal for John Bagley.
Maxwell was acquired from the Spurs for an undisclosed amount
of cash.
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| 8.796 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Thu Feb 22 1990 15:44 | 5 |
| re: .794
Joe Barely Cares, dude. And yes.. 8^)
sean
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| 8.797 | Will Cheeks and Jackson start together ? | LUNER::BROOKS | Let's ... get ...BUSY !!! | Thu Feb 22 1990 17:53 | 7 |
| DOn't insult Sampson by comparing him to Carroll. Please.
BTW, wasn't Maxwell one of the top rookies from last year ? Looks
to me like the Rockets got him awfully cheap.....that deal bears
watching.
Doc
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| 8.798 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Thu Feb 22 1990 17:56 | 2 |
|
Yeah, Carroll had one good season. Sampson has always been a stiff.
|
| 8.799 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hey Fish, GET IN THE BOAT | Thu Feb 22 1990 17:58 | 11 |
|
Why Dock?
they both score minus for motivation, they both get plus for wasting
talent, they both have often been injuried and they're both overpaided.
I'd say they're comparable.....
I'd guess Maxwell's biggest problem in SA was he didn't get along with
Brown.....
mike
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| 8.800 | Think of him as a Kevin Willis - only laid back | TALLIS::GOYKHMAN | Nostalgia ain't what it used to be | Thu Feb 22 1990 18:22 | 6 |
| JBC can play really well when he wants to. Also, he is not a pure
center, but can play power forward effectively. I think teh Nuggets
will use him mostly at power forward next to Rasmussen. Might be a good
one...
DG
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| 8.801 | Final trades in the NBA for this season... | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good Bye! | Fri Feb 23 1990 03:39 | 76 |
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SPORTSTICKER PRO BASKETBALL NOTE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(ADDING INFORMATION)
Several teams made deals as the National Basketball Association
trading deadline came and went tonight.
The Golden State Warriors today traded forward Uwe Blab to the
San Antonio Spurs for center Chris Welp in a swap of former
West German Olympic players and guard Winston Garland to the
Los Angeles Clippers for two draft picks.
The Warriors will receive second round draft picks in the 1990
and 1992 draft in return for Garland.
The trade is contingent on Garland passing a physical exam. The
Clippers placed rookie guard Jay Edwards on the injured list to
make room for Garland. Edwards is suffering from patellar
tendinitis in his left knee.
Blab was averaging 2.1 points in 40 games for the Warriors this
season. He started 33 games at center. He was the 17th pick in
the 1987 draft and joined the Warriors as an unrestricted free
agent last September.
Welp joined the Spurs last August along with guards Maurice
Cheeks and David Wingate in a deal with Philadelphia for guard
Johnny Dawkins and forward Jay Vincent. Cheeks was traded to
the New York Knicks Wednesday for second-year guard Rod
Strickland.
Garland was averaging 5.3 points and 3.1 assists in 17.5
minutes a game for the Warriors.
The Knicks tonight acquired reserve center Stuart Gray
from the Charlotte Hornets in exchange for a conditional 1991
second round draft pick. The trade hinges on Gray passing his
physical examination.
The Hornets, then, traded the pick they received from the Knicks
to Cleveland for forward Randolph Keys. If Gray does not pass
his physical, the Cavs will receive Charlotte's next available
1991 second round pick.
The seven-foot Gray averaged 2.6 points and 3.4 rebounds in
39 games for the Hornets this season. Gray, in his sixth year
in the N-B-A, was drafted in the second round by the Indiana
Pacers in 1984 after passing up his final year of eligibility
at U-C-L-A.
Keys, who was the Cavs' first-round pick out of Southern Mississippi
in the 1988 draft and the 22nd pick overall, averaged 7.6 points in
48 games with Cleveland this season.
Also Wednesday, the New Jersey Nets completed separate deals
with the Denver Nuggets and the Cavaliers.
The Nets dealt 7-foot-1 center Joe Barry Carroll to Denver for
guard Michael Cutright and traded second round picks in 1991
and 1993 to Cleveland for center Chris Dudley.
The Houston Rockets also completed two deals Wednesday, moving
swingman Derrick Chievous to Cleveland and acquiring guard
Vernon Maxwell from San Antonio.
The Rockets received three second round picks and an
undisclosed amount of cash from Cleveland for Chievous.
Houston will receive the Cavaliers' second round picks in 1992
or 1994 in addition to Boston's second round picks in 1991 and
1993. Cleveland had acquired the picks from New Jersey, which
received them in a deal for John Bagley.
Maxwell was acquired from the Spurs for an undisclosed amount
of cash.
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| 8.802 | good work | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri Feb 23 1990 12:23 | 3 |
| -1
Great trade review. Thanks
TTom
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| 8.803 | | SAGE::ROSS | Yo! So? Ho! No? | Fri Feb 23 1990 12:31 | 4 |
| Charlotte should put Keys right into the starting lineup...
Looks like the Knicks are committed to winning this year. Celts
are committed to selling out the Garden. :-(
|
| 8.804 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Fri Feb 23 1990 13:35 | 12 |
|
NY won last night. Something like 119-110 over Washington.
Ewing was hot with 41 points and 14 rebounds (Oakley amassed 19).
The Generic(tm) (Stockton) had something sick like 24 points
and 20 assists as they beat the Clippers(?). Karl added 35.
Anyone got the lineup for tonights games? I know Sixers play
at LA and Boston plays at GS. Chicago has a doozy tonight but I
can't remember against whom?
sean
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| 8.805 | More trade news | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Fri Feb 23 1990 14:15 | 11 |
| The Seattle Sonics traded their resident stiff, Brad Sellers to
Minnesota for Steve Johnson. Great move, trading a first round
pick for Sellers then dealing him for a journeyman center. At
least they acknowledged their first blunder.
Also, Xavier McDaniel underwent arthroscopic knee surgery and will
be out indefinitely. He was averaging around 26 points while Ellis
was out. Ellis should return in about 2 weeks. Until then, it
could be a grim couple of weeks.
Pete
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| 8.806 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Fri Feb 23 1990 14:39 | 4 |
|
I loved Doug Moe's comments about acquiring JB Carroll. He said he
wouldn't accept any credit for the trade, but he also wouldn't take
any blame for it either. There front office did the deal.
|
| 8.807 | | PNO::HEISER | Kitty Hawk fever | Fri Feb 23 1990 15:06 | 18 |
| > <<< Note 8.805 by DECWET::CROUCH "Grand marshall of the dork parade" >>>
> -< More trade news >-
> The Seattle Sonics traded their resident stiff, Brad Sellers to
> Minnesota for Steve Johnson. Great move, trading a first round
> pick for Sellers then dealing him for a journeyman center. At
> least they acknowledged their first blunder.
Pete, don't be too hasty in judging Johnson. He was an All-Star at
Portland. I like this trade for the Sonics, it gives them a true
center that can score.
There were many teams after this guy, including Phoenix. Somehow I
wonder why they settled for just Sellers and a pick? Johnson would've
been a great addition to the Suns.
Mike
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| 8.808 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Feb 23 1990 17:07 | 5 |
| Rumors were flying again that Elliot of the Spurs was on the trading
block again. Either these were just rumors or SA couldn't get the deal
they wanted.
Bucks ended the Mavericks 5 game winning streak last night.
|
| 8.809 | What I REALLY meant.. | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Fri Feb 23 1990 17:14 | 14 |
| re: .807
I read what I originally wrote and it didn't come out like I meant it.
I am overjoyed that they got Johnson for Sellers. My point that I
didn't make too well was that if you cut out the middle of that trade,
the deal was, in effect, a first round pick for Steve Johnson. I
don't think that's such a sweet deal for the Sonics. I think Johnson
will be a good addition to the team, but he's 32 and a first round
pick is 22. My use of the term "journeyman" isn't an indictment of
his talents, just a commentary on his age. The main target of my wrath
is the original cretinous trade for Sellers, who is one of the biggest
weenies to ever put on shorts.
Pete
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| 8.810 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good Bye! | Fri Feb 23 1990 17:33 | 7 |
| >>Great trade review. Thanks
>>TTom
No sweat. But give the credit to USA Today's On-line service. I just
reprinted their article.
j.
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| 8.811 | that too | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri Feb 23 1990 17:38 | 1 |
| Great trade reprint. Thanks
|
| 8.812 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good Bye! | Sat Feb 24 1990 15:26 | 14 |
| So who's Gervin playing for the Nets?
NEW JERSEY
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
GERVIN 17 6-10 5-6 1 2 3 0 3 1 0 17
Player G MIN FG FGA FG% FT FTA FT% 3FG 3FGA
GERVIN 4 30 12 17 .706 5 8 .625 0 0
OREB TREB AST STL TO BLK PF PTS AVG
2 5 0 1 1 0 6 29 7.3O
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| 8.813 | Oh well, the Strickland trade solved my depth problem anyway | DEC25::MCFALL | Spaced, without a trace | Sat Feb 24 1990 16:24 | 12 |
| >So who's Gervin playing for the Nets?
thanks for exposing my pickup this week in DECHoop, Jeff :^)
It's George's little brother. I saw him vs. the Nuggets the other
night, scored 9 points in 7 minutes.
It's taking him a while to work into the Nets offense, although
I can't imagine why :^)
Jim M
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| 8.814 | | BAUCIS::SAPP | Get the point??Good,let's dance! | Sun Feb 25 1990 13:09 | 10 |
| When Stuart Gray was picked up by the Knicks,he was asked what he could
bring to the team.
"I can set picks"
Translation: "I am a stiff"
O_J
|
| 8.815 | Bag Bagley now | SAGE::ROSS | Yo! So? Ho! No? | Mon Feb 26 1990 11:19 | 19 |
| Nice win by the Celtics over the Nuggets yesterday.. Let's hope
that Jimmy Rodgers sticks with Michael and Charles Smith even if
they lose a game or two. I'd rather see them on the court in a loss than
Bagley and Pinckney and DJ in a win. Celts have a lock on the
playoffs, so why not use the rest of the year to develop the two
Smiths?
DJ grumbled to the press after the game about his playing time. If
he doesn't like it, he can leave, as far as I care. Same for Bagley.
Michael Smith looks like he'll be a Scott Wedman-type player. I mean
the "young" Scott Wedman. Just don't let him handle the ball and he'll
do fine.
Bird had 25 points and 17 defensive rebounds yesterday... and stuck a
3-pointer into Denver's face to seal the win.
I'm glad I don't have to watch the Nuggets on a regular basis. They
play the ugliest brand of basketball I've seen...
|
| 8.816 | Divac status needed | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Go UCONN! Kick Big East Butt!! | Mon Feb 26 1990 12:37 | 9 |
| Karl Malone hit a 3-pointer from 27 feet out in the final second to lift Utah
over the Lakers, 104-103, at the Forum. With six tenths of a second left, Magic
just missed a 36-foot hook shot. The Lakers played without Mychal Thompson; I
assume his foot is bothering him again. Just a nagging injury, I believe. How-
ever, they also lost Vlade Divac early on who went out with an injury after just
9 minutes. Does anybody know the exact nature of his injury and how long he'll
be out?
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.817 | | BAUCIS::SAPP | Get the point??Good,let's dance! | Mon Feb 26 1990 13:14 | 25 |
| He hurt his leg and his career is over.
Just kiddin' Ken
O_J
|
| 8.818 | | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Mon Feb 26 1990 13:54 | 2 |
| Does all this mean the Jazz get an * ?
Denny
|
| 8.819 | | BAUCIS::SAPP | Get the point??Good,let's dance! | Mon Feb 26 1990 14:07 | 4 |
| A what??
O_J
|
| 8.820 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 26 1990 14:12 | 5 |
|
I'm w/o a paper today. I know Detroit lost to Atlanta but how
did Chicago do this weekend? Thanks.
sean
|
| 8.821 | | BAUCIS::SAPP | Get the point??Good,let's dance! | Mon Feb 26 1990 14:15 | 8 |
| They beat N.J. 107-106
O_J
|
| 8.822 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Mon Feb 26 1990 14:24 | 16 |
|
The Nuggets-Celtics game was lousy. Both teams looked terrible. The
Nuggets played one good qtr., the 3rd, and blew the Celtics socks off
during that period. For the rest of the game only one Nugget would play
well at a time. Schayes had a good 1st qtr. English had a couple of
streaks and JB Carroll played well at times. They definately miss
Walter Davis and Michael Adams (Davis is still out with an inflamation
of the lining under his knee cap and Adams has hamstring problems). If
the Nuggets had just played mediocre, they would have won easily. But
they stunk the place out. If they play that poorly tomorrow, Phoenix
will blow them out in a monumental fashion. Are Bob Cousy and that
other clown that announces with him related to McHale? I don't know who
whines more between the three.
HOOT
|
| 8.823 | | SALEM::DODA | All over but the cryin | Mon Feb 26 1990 14:25 | 1 |
| Hoot, Are you related to Mchale?
|
| 8.824 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Mon Feb 26 1990 14:29 | 3 |
| How did you pick up the Boston telecast in Colorado?
John
|
| 8.825 | way too Crispy for me... 8^) | LEVERS::STROUT | Color our world blackened... | Mon Feb 26 1990 14:31 | 15 |
| re: .822
Yeah, that "other clown" ticks me off. If he was a ref out
there I bet he could foul out every player on the other team.
Really!
"Bird got fouled, they didn't call it but he hits the shot anyways!"
Although I didn't see either of the C's games this weekend you
have to believe that winning the last two is a major boost as they
come back home. It overshadows the fact that they had a bad middle
4 games.
sean
|
| 8.826 | | SAGE::ROSS | Yo! So? Ho! No? | Mon Feb 26 1990 14:31 | 12 |
| >Are Bob Cousy and that other clown that announces with him related to McHale?
The "other clown" is Mike "Crispy" Crispino. No worse than Gil "Mon Ami"
Santos.... which isn't saying much.
I've come to respect Cousy's commentary. He certainly doesn't pull any
punches in criticizing the Celtics when they play badly.
Celts were far from mediocre... 53% FG%... came back in the fourth
quarter. Parish played poorly, though.
Hoot, how do you feel about Bird now?
|
| 8.827 | | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Mon Feb 26 1990 14:33 | 7 |
| Hoot sounds like a Donk fan doesn't he? "They blew em out in that
qtr." Gee Hoot, if they only played 3rd quarters they'd be indefeated
huh? Could be the C's were a wee bit tired, and at the end of a long
road trip. If the Nuggets couldn't beat them yesterday they're
hurtin;...BIGTIME!
Denny
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| 8.828 | oh well atleast I can say ABTL... ;^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | low altitude earth orbit, me? ha-ha | Mon Feb 26 1990 14:42 | 8 |
|
The Celts have no reason for renewed optomism off of this trip. They
didn't beat any of the upper echelon teams on this trip. If you ranked
the teams they played on the trip the only team that might be in the
top 4 was the Spurs who they beat with experience against inexperience.
mike
|
| 8.829 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Mon Feb 26 1990 15:02 | 29 |
|
John,
Saw it on satelite.
RE: others
Just stating it like I saw it. What's "indefeated", Denny? I'm not
whining about anything, just stating the obvious...both teams were very
unimpressive. You are right Denny that the Nuggets are hurtin' bigtime.
Their leading scorer is out along with their pointguard/top outside
shot. Couple that with the total mess in the front office, the last
count I have was the GM position changed hands 5 times this season, and
it is amazing that they have a winning record especially playing in the
Western Conference with the likes of the Lakers, Suns, Portland, Spurs,
Jazz. In the East, Detroit has a cakewalk to the finals. Boston's high
shooting % was mainly due to the lack of any defense by the Nuggets,
except in the 3rd qtr. Bird did well against Alex English but English
also did well against Bird, due to both playing very poor defense. Bird
didn't do much when TR Dunn was on him. I don't understand why Moe
didn't yank Eddie Hughes early in the 1st qtr. in favor of Todd Lichti.
Hughes kept throwing the ball away or taking awful shots that clanged
off the rim. All-in-all it was a lousy game. Both were very
unimpressive.
HOOT
|
| 8.830 | go Dave! | 56504::STROUT | Nothing compares 2 U | Tue Feb 27 1990 13:29 | 3 |
| Robinson was named player of the week for Feb 18-24.
sean
|
| 8.831 | | 16744::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Feb 27 1990 14:45 | 1 |
| Bob Cousy has resigned as president of the Basketball Hall of Fame.
|
| 8.832 | | 16400::HEISER | totally rad Radicaster | Tue Feb 27 1990 14:48 | 1 |
| Why was Wobert angwy?
|
| 8.833 | Woofs best expansion team? (of the four) | 34866::WIERSBECK | The Fabulous MN Barking Ducks | Tue Feb 27 1990 15:24 | 7 |
| Just gotta love the NBA, this year anyway. We went down to Sunday's
Woof-Dallas game at the Dome. Paid our $3.50 and sat in some decent
$14 seats with plenty of room on either side of us. There were
still 24,000 there.
Spud
|
| 8.834 | next year for defense on Kareem alone he belongs | 6984::CHILDS | low altitude earth orbit, me? ha-ha | Tue Feb 27 1990 16:14 | 7 |
|
Wobert was angwy because Dave Cowens wasn't unamimous on the first
ballot for entry....
;^)
mike
|
| 8.835 | At least we're better than Miami | 32071::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Tue Feb 27 1990 19:11 | 35 |
| > It's George's little brother. I saw him vs. the Nuggets the other
>night, scored 9 points in 7 minutes.
> It's taking him a while to work into the Nets offense, although
>I can't imagine why :^)
I can't help but wonder at the Nets currently. They've made a
number of personnel changes this year, in an attempt to better
themselves, get some players who can score and get players
who play the way Fitch wants them to. I don't fault that, even
if it means picking up two CBAers (Gervin and Wood) at guard.
What's really wierd is playing time. They picked up Jack Haley
from the Bulls, a blue-collar type of forward, and his first night
with the team, he plays 30 minutes! How can a guy join an
NBA team and immediately play so many minutes? Are they
running that simple of an offense?
And this keeps happening. All of a sudden, they get Gervin
and he's their main offensive threat down the stretch. They
keep picking up guys from nowhere and giving them important
minutes. Once Cutwright is healthy (he sounds like a brand
of wax-paper, I've never even heard of him) I bet he'll see some
time out there.
Why isn't Chris Morris developing? Is it Fitch, or (as I suspect)
we've reached a temporary ceiling. He was playing better
last year. Bowie is a bright spot, as is Purvis Short (who a few
teams tried to trade for before the deadline). The injuries just
seem so unfair. Haley's out; Shackelford's out (27 rebounds
in a game last week), Mookie's out.
Nothing has gone right since Micheal Ray got booted out of
the league.
Dan
|
| 8.836 | | 33328::BMCWILLIAMS | Improvise if you have to ... | Tue Feb 27 1990 23:39 | 11 |
| RE. Dan in -1
>Bowie is a bright spot
Being a New Yorker now, I have the pleasure of seeing Nets games on
Sportschannel (when I can stomach them). The other night against Houston, the
game they got waxed pretty well in, was the first I had seen of Bowie in a
while. He looked really out of it. Threw away several passes. Lugged his way up
and down the court. Missed some jumpers. Maybe I caught him on an off night?
Brian
|
| 8.837 | | 21351::PETRIE | wild for creampuffs | Wed Feb 28 1990 01:02 | 7 |
| >>.835 by 32071::SCHNEIDER "I have _no_ integrity" >>>
>> -< At least we're better than Miami >-
Enjoy it this year while you can ;^)
Kath
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| 8.838 | | 24766::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Wed Feb 28 1990 01:08 | 25 |
| Is Shackleford out? All I heard was that he had too much fruit juice at
halftime and couldn't finish a game (the one following his 27 rebound
performance).
Tonight Gervin lit it up for 25. His lines are starting to look like his big
brother's. Chris Morris was 3-7 from three-point range. Somehow he doesn't
impress me as the Nets most likely 3-point threat.
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
DUDLEY F 21 1-3 0-2 4 6 10 1 4 0 2 2
MORRIS F 39 8-16 2-2 5 1 6 2 3 2 3 21
BOWIE C 43 8-21 6-9 5 8 13 1 3 2 1 22
CONNER G 29 5-10 2-2 0 0 0 3 0 1 2 12
HOPSON G 28 7-12 2-4 1 0 1 2 2 2 1 16
HALEY 11 2-2 0-0 0 4 4 0 2 0 1 4
SHORT 25 2-10 5-5 3 1 4 2 4 1 1 9
WOOD 8 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 0
GERVIN 25 8-16 9-11 2 3 5 0 3 2 0 25
MYERS 11 1-5 0-1 1 2 3 4 4 0 1 2
TOTALS 240 42-95 26-36 21 26 47 17 26 10 12 113
(.442) (.722) TEAM REBS: 13
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| 8.839 | | 26922::TIMMONS | I'm a Pepere! | Wed Feb 28 1990 07:35 | 6 |
| Yesterday, Celtics signed Brian Shaw to a multi-year contract.
There is a slight possibility that he'll play for them this year,
but most likely not.
Lee
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| 8.840 | | 16284::MACGREGOR | | Wed Feb 28 1990 09:18 | 6 |
| Shaw can't play in this years playoffs because of some rule that
says because he's playing on the Italian (I think) basketball during
their playoffs, he can't play in the NBA this season. However,
next season is a definate.
The Wizard
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| 8.841 | | 15558::SZABO | | Wed Feb 28 1990 10:32 | 8 |
| I caught a couple minutes of the end of the 3rd quarter and the
beginning of the 4th of the Knicks- Mavs game last night and was amazed
at how the NY crowd has taken to Mo Cheeks. They absolutely love him!
And the plays he was making turned the crowd on even more. Cheeks
played like he was 23 again. He was always one of my favorites and I'm
glad he's in NY where he happy, and obviously making NY fans happy.....
Hawk
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| 8.842 | I know NY won | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Wed Feb 28 1990 15:14 | 4 |
|
Did Houston play NY last night???
sean
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| 8.843 | Cheeks can do no wrong | DEC25::MCFALL | Spaced, without a trace | Wed Feb 28 1990 17:04 | 6 |
| > Did Houston play NY last night???
Dallas..
Houston was beating Detroit. Don't know if it was final or not though..
Jim M
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| 8.844 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Wed Feb 28 1990 17:13 | 4 |
|
Oh yeah, thanks. Detroit won, I'm 99% sure (it was close though)
sean
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| 8.845 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Wed Feb 28 1990 17:49 | 17 |
|
Nuggets @ Suns
The Nuggets got over their terrible showing last night, for the first
half anyway. I only bits and pieces of the first half but Hanzlik was
doing an outstanding job at shutting down Tom Chambers. JB Carroll has
been a surprise. He is rebounding well, passing well and generally
hustling (believe it or not!). His only problem has been that he can't
throw a rock in the ocean. Schayes also played real well in the first
half. Then came the 2nd half. Denver lead by 2 at the half but came out
like they left their game in the lockerroom. Very similiar as how they
played Sunday. But this time they were playing a very good team and
were simply blown out in the 2nd half. Final score 120-101 in favor of
the Suns.
HOOT
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| 8.846 | | PNO::HEISER | fur sure doode | Wed Feb 28 1990 18:11 | 4 |
| > half anyway. I only bits and pieces of the first half but Hanzlik was
> doing an outstanding job at shutting down Tom Chambers. JB Carroll has
Yeah, Tommy Gun only had 27 points!
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| 8.847 | Check out Akeem's numbers!!! | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Wed Feb 28 1990 18:43 | 51 |
| HOUSTON (102) AT DETROIT (106) - FINAL IN OT
HOUSTON
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
JOHNSON F 44 7-10 1-3 0 2 2 4 3 2 3 15
THORPE F 44 8-15 0-0 3 5 8 9 6 0 8 16
OLAJUWON C 50 15-26 7-10 3 22 25 2 5 0 2 37
WIGGINS G 30 5-8 1-4 2 5 7 0 4 2 2 11
FLOYD G 45 5-13 6-8 0 3 3 11 4 0 4 16
MAXWELL 22 1-7 1-4 0 4 4 0 4 0 4 3
SMITH 17 1-3 0-2 2 3 5 0 5 0 0 2
CALDWELL 3 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0
WOODSON 8 0-2 2-2 0 1 1 1 0 1 2 2
LUCAS 1 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
BOWIE 1 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0
TOTALS 265 42-84 18-33 10 46 56 27 33 5 26 102
(.500) (.545) TEAM REBS: 12
DETROIT
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
RODMAN F 36 0-3 1-2 3 7 10 3 3 2 0 1
EDWARDS F 40 7-17 1-1 4 6 10 1 6 0 1 15
LAIMBEER C 29 2-9 5-7 1 6 7 3 5 2 1 10
DUMARS G 42 10-18 6-7 0 4 4 8 2 2 3 27
THOMAS G 47 14-31 8-10 1 2 3 10 4 3 5 37
AGUIRRE 31 4-14 0-0 1 4 5 0 2 0 1 8
SALLEY 23 2-7 0-4 2 4 6 1 1 0 2 4
JOHNSON 17 1-5 2-2 2 1 3 0 2 0 2 4
TOTALS 265 40-104 23-33 14 34 48 26 25 9 15 106
(.385) (.697) TEAM REBS: 15
HOUSTON 32 22 23 17 8 - 102
DETROIT 22 23 25 24 12 - 106
BLOCKED SHOTS: HOU - OLAJUWON 5, MAXWELL, CALDWELL,
WOODSON. DET - RODMAN 2, EDWARDS 2, LAIMBEER 2, SALLEY.
3-PT. FIELD GOALS: HOU 0-3 (.000), THORPE 0-1, FLOYD 0-1,
MAXWELL 0-1. DET 3-11 (.273), EDWARDS 0-1, LAIMBEER 1-2, DUMARS 1-3,
THOMAS 1-2, AGUIRRE 0-3.
TECHNICALS: HOU - ILLEGAL DEFENSE, OLAJUWON. DET - LAIMBEER, HEAD
COACH DALY.
OFFICIALS: MATHIS, JAVIE, GRILLO.
A - 21,454.
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| 8.848 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Wed Feb 28 1990 18:49 | 4 |
|
Either 17 or 19 of Chambers points came in the 2nd half, I forget
which. That means he scored 8-10 in the first half. Like I said,
Hanzlik did an outstanding job defending him in the first half.
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| 8.849 | Don't mess w/ my p_name!!! | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Wed Feb 28 1990 19:06 | 21 |
| I don't think I'll ever forgive you for that, Kathy. I'm glad the Nets ruined
opening night this year for you!
>Is Shackleford out?
The NBA rule is that if anyone has a good game for the Nets, he must
immediately get injured. If he has a good career, he must be traded
(Dr. J, Bernard King) or removed from the team in some other
fashion (Richardson). Don't know what's wrong, but he's
not dressing for the last few games.
> Chris Morris was 3-7 from three-point range. Somehow he doesn't
>impress me as the Nets most likely 3-point threat.
I heard the first quarter. He took for or 5 by then, but was very active,
which probably helped him stay in the game.
Dudley is another case in point. He's been with the Nets 2 games now.
Started both and played serious minutes and commited a lot of fouls.
Dan
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| 8.850 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Wed Feb 28 1990 19:19 | 19 |
| Here's the full Nets injured list (sorry, Decwindow's Notes users ;^)).
NEW JERSEY NETS - *Starting power forward Charles Shackleford
(infection found in right elbow following the removal of four
stitches) has missed several games and will also sit out Tuesday's
game at Indiana. *Shackleford is questionable for the remainder of
this week's action. *Key reserve swingman Purvis Short (sore
shoulder) was injured in Sunday's game but is probable for
Tuesday's game. *Key reserve power forward Jack Haley (slightly
separated right shoulder) missed Sunday's game and is questionable
for Tuesday's game. Newly-acquired reserve shooting guard Michael
Cutright (knee surgery) is on the injured list and is sidelined
indefinitely. Starting point guard Mookie Blaylock (broken little
finger on on left hand) is on the injured list and is expected to
be sidelined until at least early March. Starting power forward Roy
Hinson (knee surgery) is on the injured list and is expected to be
sidelined for the remainder of the season. Deep reserve small
forward Stanley Brundy (substance abuse) was suspended for the
remainder of the season for failing a random drug test.
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| 8.851 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Thu Mar 01 1990 10:30 | 11 |
|
I heard Shackleford hurt himself shaving!!!! :-) :-) :-)
Seriously, what do people think about Shack being implicated in the
NC State Point shaving scandle??? Will the NBA suspend Shack during an
investigation? Do they have the right to?
JimH
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| 8.852 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Beware the Ides of March 1st | Thu Mar 01 1990 10:36 | 16 |
| ================================================================================
Note 8.851 Official NBA topic 851 of 851
TURKEY::J_HALPIN 11 lines 1-MAR-1990 07:30
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> Seriously, what do people think about Shack being implicated in the
> NC State Point shaving scandle??? Will the NBA suspend Shack during an
> investigation? Do they have the right to?
>JimH
I can't see why Jim. He did nothing to break any NBA rules. Even
if he's proven guilty, while he could go to jail, I don't think there's
anything the NBA could do. Except maybe blackball him.
/Don
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| 8.853 | Akeem - unstoppable | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Thu Mar 01 1990 10:38 | 14 |
| >< Note 8.847 by VAXWRK::NEEDLE "Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye."" >
> -< Check out Akeem's numbers!!! >-
>
>OLAJUWON C 50 15-26 7-10 3 22 25 2 5 0 2 37
>BLOCKED SHOTS: HOU - OLAJUWON 5
And there's another reason why Akeem IS the best center in the
NBA today. If Ooing had a game like that I wouldn't hear the end
of it. I watched the news and didn't hear one thing about it, just
that Detroit had won. 37 points, 25 rebounds, 5 blocks... what
a meal!
sean
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| 8.854 | Stoppable when it counted | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | I didn't start the fire....did U? | Thu Mar 01 1990 10:46 | 9 |
| re .853
Akeem was stoppable!
Akeem had the ball with time running out in regulation and the score
tied. He went for the dunk and Rodman blocked the attempt and sent it
into OT where Detroit won.
pete
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| 8.855 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Beware the Ides of March 1st | Thu Mar 01 1990 10:53 | 6 |
| I'll tell ya, after watching Patrick on television last Sunday
afternoon and Tuesday night he looks pretty damn good. A much better
rebounder than last year. The Knicks biggest problem is their point
guard and small forward.
/Don
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| 8.856 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Thu Mar 01 1990 11:12 | 6 |
| The NBA could have chosen to make Shackelford ineligible had it
been proven that he shaved points before he was drafted. Since
they're finding out about it way after the fact, there isn't anything
they can do.
John
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| 8.857 | NBA scores anybody? | CRUISE::JBONIN | John Bonin, U.S. Data Warehouse DBA | Thu Mar 01 1990 11:17 | 6 |
| Can someone enter the NBA scores in the "scores topic" from last night?
I'm interested in what D. Robinson and the Spurs did last night?
Thanks,
John
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| 8.858 | anything to play him down... | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Thu Mar 01 1990 11:25 | 13 |
| re: .854
Ok, I get it. Detroit LET Akeem get 25 rebounds and 37 points
BEFORE they decided, "hey, let's stop him". I seriously doubt the
score would have been tied going into the end of regulation if Akeem
hadn't played the game he had, and I doubt Detroit didn't try to
stop him early on. I didn't see the game, but to down play Akeem's
performance due to ONE play is typical anti-Akeem style.
Remember, we're talking about the W.C. Pistons, the top defensive
team in the league. For Akeem to do what he did proves why he IS
simply the best [insert HBO commerical].
sean
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| 8.859 | I beat Jeff to it! | SAGE::ROSS | Is 'Driving Miss Daisy' porno? | Thu Mar 01 1990 11:26 | 57 |
| Lot of stars in this game.... Check out Cummings, Robinson, Strickland,
Mullin, Hardaway, Richmond, Tolbert.
SAN ANTONIO FEB28
SAN ANTONIO (135) AT GOLDEN STATE (144) - FINAL IN OT
SAN ANTONIO
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
CUMMINGS F 39 12-31 4-5 16 8 24 1 5 2 4 28
ELLIOTT F 37 6-12 7-7 3 3 6 2 4 2 1 19
ROBINSON C 44 16-29 6-11 11 6 17 2 3 0 2 38
ANDERSON G 43 4-14 1-1 1 5 6 8 5 5 2 10
MOORE G 19 2-7 0-0 2 0 2 3 1 1 2 4
WINGATE 26 5-11 0-0 2 1 3 2 3 1 0 10
STRICKLAND 37 8-18 4-9 0 3 3 8 6 0 0 20
BRICKOWSKI 14 3-4 0-0 1 4 5 1 1 1 1 6
JONES 6 0-1 0-0 1 1 2 0 1 0 0 0
TOTALS 265 56-127 22-33 37 31 68 27 29 12 12 135
(.441) (.667) TEAM REBS: 14
GOLDEN STATE
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
MULLIN F 49 12-22 6-8 2 6 8 8 1 2 4 36
TEAGLE F 21 7-12 0-0 3 3 6 2 3 0 2 14
BOL C 15 2-4 0-0 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 5
HARDAWAY G 44 3-12 5-6 4 2 6 16 5 0 2 11
RICHMOND G 44 12-19 2-4 0 5 5 6 0 1 1 28
TOLBERT 32 10-14 7-8 2 4 6 0 5 0 2 27
PETERSEN 10 0-2 0-0 2 2 4 1 2 0 0 0
MARCIULIONIS 20 2-5 2-4 2 1 3 4 2 0 2 6
HIGGINS 28 5-10 7-7 2 4 6 3 2 2 1 17
UPSHAW 2 0-1 0-0 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0
TOTALS 265 53-101 29-37 18 28 46 40 25 5 14 144
(.525) (.784) TEAM REBS: 10
SAN ANTONIO 30 32 35 28 10 - 135
GOLDEN STATE 34 31 27 33 19 - 144
BLOCKED SHOTS: SAS - ROBINSON 2, CUMMINGS, JONES. GSW - BOL,
PETERSEN.
3-PT. FIELD GOALS: SAS 1-7 (.143), ELLIOTT 0-1, ANDERSON 1-2,
MOORE 0-2, WINGATE 0-1, STRICKLAND 0-1. GSW 9-15 (.600), MULLIN 6-8,
BOL 1-1, HARDAWAY 0-1, RICHMOND 2-2, HIGGINS 0-2, UPSHAW 0-1.
TECHNICALS: SAS - BRICKOWSKI (2) (EJECTED). GSW - TEAGLE (EJECTED),
NELSON (2) (EJECTED), BOL.
OFFICIALS: SALVATORE, EVANS, SPOONER.
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| 8.860 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Thu Mar 01 1990 11:35 | 7 |
|
re: .859
Holy Cummings!!!! What did he eat for breakfast??????????????
24 REBOUNDS??????????????????
sean
|
| 8.861 | Bol the Aggressor | ANALYZ::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Thu Mar 01 1990 11:36 | 3 |
| Bol got a T? Wow, is that a first?
Sameer
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| 8.862 | | PHILEM::SAPP | Get the point??Good,let's dance! | Thu Mar 01 1990 11:37 | 7 |
| Prediction:
Robinson will be MVP next year.
O_J
|
| 8.863 | or Magic or Akeem or Barkley or Malone or Bird | CNTROL::CHILDS | low altitude earth orbit, me? ha-ha | Thu Mar 01 1990 11:41 | 6 |
|
Why, is Michael Jordan retiring?
;^)
mike
|
| 8.864 | It's Akeem and Ewing for now!! | PHILEM::SAPP | Get the point??Good,let's dance! | Thu Mar 01 1990 11:51 | 6 |
| Next year Robinson will be considered the BEST center in the league.
O_J
|
| 8.865 | ooooing will always be #2 in my book | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Thu Mar 01 1990 12:20 | 6 |
| > Next year Robinson will be considered the BEST center in the league.
Right. Probably not next year but within the next 3-5 years
I predict he will replace Akeem as the best center in the NBA.
sean
|
| 8.866 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Thu Mar 01 1990 12:37 | 13 |
|
What? No discussion of the Celts-Mavs game? I watched the
last quarter... Bird had something like 28 points 10 rebounds last
time I looked. Smith started again, from what I hear. Sounds like
a good move to me because it adds more offense in the start
(basically, 2 shooting forwards). I still don't understand why
McHale doesn't start. He plays more minutes than anyone else at
that position.
Celtics won handily, FWIW... We're down by ten or so points
and then rallied to go up by 13 or so by the half and they cruised
from there on. Parish still doesn't seem to be playing his best.
sean
|
| 8.867 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Mar 01 1990 12:45 | 9 |
| 8.868 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Thu Mar 01 1990 12:58 | 10 |
|
That is a good explanation. You said that before?? 8^)
So basically the C's realize they can't play their best starting
five 45-48 minutes a game and expect to win since they're getting
older. They disperse the "talent" to create a better balanced game.
hmm.... Pretty good idea, although totally different than the kc
approach.
sean
|
| 8.869 | 16 offensive rebounds?!? Impressive performance by the Spurs | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Thu Mar 01 1990 13:27 | 0 |
| 8.870 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Beware the Ides of March 1st | Thu Mar 01 1990 13:38 | 4 |
| Not really Jeff. Take away Manute Bol and the Warriors field
an all "Willie Shoemaker" starting lineup.
/Don
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| 8.871 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | THe Mountain is out !! | Thu Mar 01 1990 15:08 | 30 |
| Sean,
I don't know what Patrick Ewing did to you to make you hate him
so much that you deny that he's a good center. It cracks me up.
You rail on him all the time. On the Akeem game, it was an
overtime game so he had extra time to compile the numbers, but they
were great numbers. Hey, Akeem is a great center, as is Ewing,
and Robinson *may* become one (he will, barring injury or sophmore
slump). Heck, in my book Robert Parrish, Moses,and Jack SIkma are
great centers, because they have produced for so long.
And as usual, despite Akeem's numbers, the Rockets lost, while Ewing,
posting more modest numbers (20+ points, 10+ bounds, a few blocks)
led the KNicks to victory.
So Sean, why do you hate Patrick Ewing? I'd think a hoop fan would
appreciate his talents. Throw Akeem and Ewing in a barrel, blindfold
yourself, and pick one - I'd be happy with either! Perhaps you'd
be disappointed if you picked Patrick, and would throw him back
and settle for say, Rony Seikaly?
I like both centers - they play both sides of the ball, though Patrick
is more team oriented than Akeem - which can be traced to there
college mentors. As for unstoppable, I'd say both are, especially
since offensively, Patrick has better range, is averaging more points
per game, in I believe, less minutes, is a better passer, and a
better FT shooter.
JD
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| 8.872 | Dick Van Arsdale was better than Tom Van Arsdale. | SASE::SZABO | | Thu Mar 01 1990 15:27 | 4 |
| JD, you're absolutely right, a hoops fan would appreciate Ewing's
talents. Sean is a *Lakers'* fan. There's the difference! :-)
Haw'k
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| 8.873 | set mode=relax | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Thu Mar 01 1990 15:29 | 18 |
|
I never said I hated Ewing!!!!! That's a fib!!! 8^) I just
don't think he is as good as Olajuwon. (heck, I even picked Ewing
for my all star team!)
If it was Ewing vs. ANYONE else (ok, let's leave Robinson out
of this for the moment :) I would definitely pick Ewing. I never
said Ewing was a bad player. I even *try* to post his stats whenever
I get a paper.
Perhaps I haven't given as much praise to Ewing as I should
have but that's only because I'm defending Akeem, please don't
get me wrong on that.
Like I said, Ewing will always be #2 in my book. Does that
mean I think he is a bad player? No. Do I think he is a great
player? Yes. I don't understand why you think I thought he
was bad and that I hated him???
sean
|
| 8.874 | insert Chicago, Portland, San Antonio and Philly to that list | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Thu Mar 01 1990 15:32 | 6 |
|
re: .872
so I'm not a hoops fan??? oh well... damn.
sean
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| 8.875 | I LOVE hoops... | CAM::WAY | With malice toward none | Thu Mar 01 1990 16:18 | 10 |
| I like hoops.
Why, when I was a lad, I'd get out my hoop and stick, and roll that
hoop for miles. One time, I rolled it all the way from Glastonbury
to Boston and back without letting it fall over once.
Games nowadays aren't a fun as they use to be. Now they got this
Nintendo thing. Not nary as much fun as hoops...
Chainsaw Sr.
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| 8.876 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Thu Mar 01 1990 16:30 | 88 |
| I still don't understand what LA has to do with Akeem and Ewing
but, oh well...
here's a list of the NBA rookie leaders:
Minutes:
D. Robinson 35.8
JR Reid 34.8
S. Mitchell 32.4
T. Hardaway 32.0
S. Douglas 29.6
Scoring:
D. Robinson 23.2
S. Mitchell 14.4
G. Rice 13.5
T. Hardaway 13.4
S. Douglas 12.9
Rebounding:
D. Robinson 11.7
JR Reid 8.7
V. Divac 6.4
S. Mitchell 6.1
G. Rice 4.6
Assists:
T. Hardaway 8.1
S. Douglas 6.8
P. Richardson 5.9
M. Blaylock 4.3
D. Barros 2.2
and of course, NBA Leaders in Scoring:
Jordan 33.2
Malone 30.7
Ewing 28.0
Rebounding:
Olajuwon 13.7
Oakley 12.0
D. Robinson 11.7
Assists:
Stockton 14.0
M. Johnson 12.0
K. Johnson 11.2
FG %:
Barkley .609
West .602
Parish .584
Malone .584
3 PT %:
Hodges .500
Kerr .467
Dumars .462
FT %:
Bird .934
McHale .930
Davis .921
Steals:
Robertson 2.71
Stockton 2.67
Grant 2.45
Pippen 2.45
Blocked Shots:
Olajuwon 4.25
Ewing 4.04
D. Robinson 3.74
sean
|
| 8.877 | Aw forget it, Sean! | SASE::SZABO | | Thu Mar 01 1990 17:11 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.878 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Thu Mar 01 1990 17:16 | 6 |
|
re: .877
Does that mean I can be a hoops fan again?? 8^)
sean
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| 8.879 | No change in my ranking | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | When it hits, you feel okay | Thu Mar 01 1990 18:02 | 11 |
| > I'll tell ya, after watching Patrick on television last Sunday
>afternoon and Tuesday night he looks pretty damn good. A much better
>rebounder than last year. The Knicks biggest problem is their point
>guard and small forward.
Does this mean that after all your remarks to the negative, that in the end
you agree with me that Patrick is a little more than just "NY hype"?
BTW, Sean, Ewing has had such awesome games this year, and
obviously you have heard the end of it.
Dan
|
| 8.880 | whoops, insert smiley face | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Thu Mar 01 1990 18:07 | 12 |
|
Dan,
Did I say he didn't? Of course not. Why do people insist on
putting words in my mouth?
> obviously you have heard the end of it
well since you're deciding everything for me, i'd like
a ham and cheese on rye, light on the mustard. thanks.
sean
|
| 8.881 | Flying Dutchman | PNO::HEISER | fur sure doode | Thu Mar 01 1990 18:10 | 6 |
| > -< Dick Van Arsdale was better than Tom Van Arsdale. >-
Still is Hawk. Dick owns 1/3 of the Suns and does TV color commentary
for local Suns games. Tom is into local real estate.
Mike
|
| 8.882 | Have fun... | STARVU::MACGREGOR | | Thu Mar 01 1990 20:14 | 74 |
| Barriers that are being broken:
The 150 Block Barrier:
Olajuwon 229
Ewing 220 Three way battle brewing here.
Robinson 202
Bol 156
The 100 Steals Barrier:
Robertson 148
Pippen 132
Harper 130 Robertson with the commanding lead and
Jordan 130 the next three battle for second, with
Porter 107 a wild race for fifth.
Barkley 106
Olajuwon 106
Conner 105
Corbin 105
Douglas 105
Humphries 105
Walker 103
Bogues 102
The 10 Assists Per Game Barrier:
Stockton 14.0
Magic Johnson 12.0
K.Johnson 11.1 Same order as expected.
Bogues 10.5
Grant 10.0
The 10 Rebounds Per Game Barrier:
Olajuwon 13.5
Tarpley 12.8 Is it just me or is this a surprise.
Oakley 11.9
Robinson 11.7
Barkley 11.3
Seikaly 10.6
Malone 10.5
Ewing 10.4
Bowie 10.1
Parish 10.1
Cage 10.0
Grant 10.0
The 25 Points Per Game Barrier:
Jordan 33.0
Malone 30.7
Ewing 28.1 Nothing unexpected.
Chambers 26.5
Wilkins 25.4
Mullin 25.0
The .900 FT Barrier (minimum 100):
Bird .934
McHale .930 Here's a surprise
E.Johnson .927
Davis .921
Dumars .911
Porter .900
The .550 FG Barrier (minimum 100):
Koncav .620 This is a joke.
Barkley .609
Malone .584
Parrish .584
Rodman .583
Turpin .564
Williams .564
Polynice .557 Who is this guy?
I'll try to update this every once in a while for the rest of the month,
then maybe someone can take over.
The Wizard
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| 8.883 | | PHILEM::SAPP | Get the point??Good,let's dance! | Thu Mar 01 1990 23:05 | 8 |
| Why is it a surprise that Bird is the best Free-throw shooter??Or are
you surprised that Mchale is second.
Now that's a surprise!!!
O_J
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| 8.884 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Fri Mar 02 1990 00:47 | 30 |
| >> Tarpley 12.8 Is it just me or is this a surprise.
I think it's just you. Roy Tarpley is one of the game's most aggressive
rebounders. As a matter of fact, the top 10 are the games best. I see no
surprises. The first surprise is Seikaly but his game has picked up a notch.
The other surprise is Malone only being at 10.5 boards, off last year's pace by
1.5 rebounds a game.
>> McHale .930 Here's a surprise
I'm as surprised as you (although I've been watching this story unfold all
season). McHale is showing some mental toughness. He's a career .775 free
throw shooter but has been getting much better over the past few years. He'd
have a good shot at 60% FG and 90% FT if he'd abandon his three point efforts.
Good to see Walter Davis' name up there. He's always been one of my favorites.
>> Koncak .620 This is a joke.
Not really. His game is in the paint. It's really no more a joke than Parrish
or Turpin, who also shoot from 6' or under.
>> Polynice .557 Who is this guy?
Olden Polynice. Began the year as the starting center for Seattle (pre-season)
and is now considered a deep reserve center. A big disappointment with few
offensive skills. That should tell you something about his shot selection.
j.
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| 8.885 | | STARVU::MACGREGOR | | Fri Mar 02 1990 09:36 | 6 |
| RE: Needle
Thanks for the commentary. I'll try to update this every week
(Wednesday's Globe) probably on Thursdays.
The Wizard
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| 8.886 | Who's on first? | ANALYZ::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Fri Mar 02 1990 10:06 | 106 |
|
This is what I posted in the Lakers notesfile. It should lay to rest
any arguments about which is the best division in basketball ;^).
Sameer
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From: kennw@microsoft.UUCP (Kenn WILKINSON)
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Subject: Best Division In Basketball
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Okay, how about a little statistical analysis concerning the strongest
division in the NBA? I have read claims here and there about this and
now I am presenting the facts so you can make up your mind for
yourselves.
In my morning paper I got the record of each team with their along with
their record in their conference. I plugged these values into an Excel
spreadsheet (great program, by the way) and found out how the divisions
rate.
The first table I created was for the overall record of the top team
in each division. Then the combined records of the top two teams, the
top 3 teams, and so on. Since the Atlantic division only has six
teams, I included all of the teams in the other divisions at that point.
While this may seem to be an advantage for the Atlantic, you will see
that it didn't help them at all. I will present this with the division
with the best record at each point first, second best next, third, then
fourth. I'm sure you'll see.
# of teams first second third fourth
1 Pacific Central Midwest Atlantic
2 Pacific Midwest Central Atlantic
3 Pacific Atlantic Midwest Central
4 Pacific Midwest Central Atlantic
5 Pacific Midwest Central Atlantic
All Pacific Central Midwest Atlantic
I think we can see that the Pacific Division, top to bottom (and at
every point in between) is the strongest division in the NBA. The Atlantic
is obviously the weakest. The Central and Midwest are really a toss-up.
You can see that the Midwest takes second more often than the Central, and
never is fourth (unlike the Central), but there are two very weak teams
in the division which the other teams prey upon. This is substantiated
by the tremendous drop-off in winning percentage the Midwest does when
all of the teams in the division are included. It goes from 58% to 47%.
That is the largest drop-off of any division at any point. I'll leave
it up to you to decide which of these two divisions is stronger.
My second table involves which division does better against the opposing
conference. I'm not really certain what it implies, but it was easy to
do and I'm having fun making all these little graphs. This is the same
type of table as before except that it is in relation to winning
percentage vs. opposing conference.
# of teams First Second Third Fourth
1 Pacific Central Atlantic Midwest
2 Pacific Central Midwest Atlantic
3 Pacific Central Midwest Atlantic
4 Midwest Pacific Central Atlantic
5 Midwest Pacific Central Atlantic
All Pacific Central Midwest Atlantic
I guess this gives you an indication how the Midwest teams are doing away
from their own weak teams and the strength of the Pacific vs. how the Central
is doing against teams other than the weakness of the Atlantic. In my
view, it's still too close to tell. The Central average position is
2 1/3 (First = 1, Second = 2, and so on.) The Midwest average position is
2 1/2. Not a real big difference.
Now, as an added bonus (if you haven't grown tired and hit 'n' yet), I will
give you my predictions of the final standings for each conference. Not
just rank, mind you, but I will predict the number of games won by each team.
Here goes:
Western Conference Eastern Conference
Lakers 62 Pistons 60
Blazers 60 Knicks 58
Jazz 57 Bulls 54
Spurs 56 76's 53
Suns 53 Celtics 52
Nuggets 46 Bucks 47
Maveriks 45 Pacers 46
Warriors 42 Hawks 41
-------- ---------
Sonics 39 Cavaliers 37
Rockets 39 Bullets 30
Clippers 38 Magic 26
Kings 22 Nets 22
T-Wolves 19 Heat 17
Hornets 14
Hope you enjoyed this!
Kenn Wilkinson
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| 8.887 | | BAUCIS::SAPP | Get the point??Good,let's dance! | Fri Mar 02 1990 10:26 | 7 |
| Now why don't you tabulate the combined record of every division and
you will see,with more teams with 30+ wins that the Central has the
most balance of any team.
Just chllin'
O_J
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| 8.888 | Delete `team' it should be division | BAUCIS::SAPP | Get the point??Good,let's dance! | Fri Mar 02 1990 10:27 | 1 |
|
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| 8.889 | Walt Frazier was better than Jerry West. | SASE::SZABO | | Fri Mar 02 1990 10:28 | 6 |
| While seeing McHale's name in 2nd place in FT's is a surprise, I'm more
surprised not seeing Magic's name on that list at all. What's the
story with his FT shooting this season? Didn't he win the FT shooting
crown last season?
Hawk
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| 8.890 | Paul Silas was better than Cazzie Russell | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | MassachusettsPolitics-ReeferMadness | Fri Mar 02 1990 10:33 | 28 |
| 8.891 | | ANALYZ::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Fri Mar 02 1990 10:34 | 10 |
| >The .900 FT Barrier (minimum 100):
> Bird .934
> McHale .930 Here's a surprise
> E.Johnson .927
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is'nt this Magic? Or is this Eddie Johnson? It may be Eddie Johnson,
because I think Magic is shooting at ~90%.
Sameer
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| 8.892 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Fri Mar 02 1990 10:37 | 10 |
|
>The 100 Steals Barrier:
> Robertson 148
> Pippen 132
> Harper 130
> Jordan 130
You forgot John Stockton, 2nd with 136 steals
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| 8.893 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Fri Mar 02 1990 10:41 | 11 |
| > > E.Johnson .927
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Is'nt this Magic? Or is this Eddie Johnson? It may be Eddie Johnson,
> because I think Magic is shooting at ~90%.
That is Eddie Johnson. Magic is shooting a very respectable .896 from
the line...
JimH
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| 8.894 | Hank Finkel was better'n Greg Kite! | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Fri Mar 02 1990 10:48 | 3 |
| 28 years ago today Wilt scored 100 points vs the Knicks in
Hershey,Pa.
Denny
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| 8.895 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Fri Mar 02 1990 10:55 | 9 |
|
Just a FYI... Philadelphia beat NY last night 105-100. Patrick
played impressive as always shooting 14-24 for 30 points with
18 'bounds and I forget how many blocks. Barkley shot 13-21 for
32 points (2-3 for 3) with 32 points and 15 'bounds.
Elsewhere, Akeem and Houston, Inc. toppled the streaking Pheonix
Suns (forget the score)... Detroit over Washington 99-85...
sean
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| 8.896 | Shoot, Denny, Hank Finkel is god! | SASE::SZABO | | Fri Mar 02 1990 10:57 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.897 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Fri Mar 02 1990 11:14 | 14 |
|
Tonight's schedule of games:
Boston at MIAMI 7:35
Milwuakee at ATLANTA 7:35
Philadelphia at DETROIT 8:05
G. State at S. ANTONIO 8:35
New Jersey at CHICAGO 7:35
Pheonix at DALLAS 8:35
Minnesota at SEATTLE 10:05
Cleveland at L. ANGELES 10:35
sean
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| 8.898 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Mon Mar 05 1990 11:53 | 7 |
|
Great game yesterday, Chicago-Boston. Chicago gets the payback
from their earlier defeat at home. 118-114 makes it 8 in a row
for the Bulls who now have 6 more games at home than away due.
The next 10 games look pretty interesting... 8^)
sean
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| 8.899 | Akeem with a quadruple-double | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Mar 05 1990 11:58 | 4 |
| Akeem recorded a quadruple double Saturday night notching double
figures in scoring, rebounding, blocks, and assists. This was the
first time in his career that he recorded more than 7 assists in a game
(he had 10).
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| 8.900 | | STARVU::MACGREGOR | | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:00 | 4 |
| A quadruple-double, very impressive. Is this the first one of the
season or did someone else get one?
The Wizard
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| 8.901 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | THe Mountain is out !! | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:01 | 8 |
| Re Jeff and ? of Olden Polynice.
Olden is no longer a 'deep' reserve with the Sonics, and with X-man's
injury, has been starting at power forward. Having seen many Sonics
games, Olden has improved over the season, and is showing some strength
inside. I feel he'll be a key reserve nexted year.
JD
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| 8.902 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:06 | 8 |
|
re: Akeem quad.
The game was unbelievable. Houston won it 129-109 over Golden
State. Next up for Houston is San Antonio at the Hemisfear.
My two fav centers battling it out!!!! This is a MUST see!! 8^)
sean
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| 8.903 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:13 | 5 |
| 8.904 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | THe Mountain is out !! | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:17 | 8 |
| And, the assist total has been labeled suspicious (sp). Seems the
official score sheet had Akeem down for 9 at the end of the game,
and it was changed to 10. Still an awesome performance.
The only other recored have been Nate Thurmond and a guard I cain't
remember.
JD
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| 8.905 | The guard was Alvin Robertson (steals). | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:25 | 0 |
| 8.906 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:41 | 8 |
| 8.907 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Mon Mar 05 1990 12:52 | 13 |
|
Just read Michael Madden's review of the Chicago-Boston game
in the Globe. What a jerk! I can't even believe he had the gaull
to blame the referees for a no call on Bird's last 3 point attempt?
As usual, give no credit to Chicago, especially Jordan and Pippen.
"I wandered aimlessly in the bowels of the Garden afterward. Over
to Celtics Coach Jimmy Rodgers, so mad still at Madden's non-call
on Pippen hammering Bird on his 3 pointer with some 3 seconds left..."
What a sore loser.
sean
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| 8.908 | Put an * nexted to Akeem's name. :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Mon Mar 05 1990 13:53 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.909 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Mon Mar 05 1990 13:57 | 12 |
|
Tonights games:
Sacramento at New Jersey 7:30
LA Clippers at Philadelphia 7:30
Utah at Miami 7:30
Houston at San Antonio 8:30
Charlotte at Golden State 10:30
Is it me or is only one of these games worth watching? 8^)
sean
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| 8.910 | | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Mon Mar 05 1990 14:03 | 5 |
| Hey Sean, care to explain how Bird ended up on the floor after that
shot? I'm not saying it 'cost them the game', I'm just saying Madden
had a legit beef. Doesn't he say himself that it wasn't all riding on
that one shot? Or are you just going to put selected quotes in here?
Denny
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| 8.911 | Where's Doug? | CUPTAY::TESSIER | I saw Daniel Ortega at the Acton Bowladrome | Mon Mar 05 1990 14:17 | 2 |
| What, no comments about how Larry gagged at the free throw line yesterday?
That shot wasn't even close. I mean, Swishless clanged it bigtime!
|
| 8.912 | | ITASCA::WIERSBECK | The Fabulous MN Barking Ducks | Mon Mar 05 1990 14:22 | 6 |
| If you read lips, Rodgers said a mouthful to the ref after the play.
I guess the ref considered the game over at that point, because
Rodgers used a couple of real zingers right to his face!
Spud
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| 8.913 | bird blew it. | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Mon Mar 05 1990 14:22 | 14 |
|
Denny, Bird fell to the floor on purpose. Pippen was at least
a foot away from him when he blocked the shot. The article says
that because a foul was not called on Birds last shot then it would
have been an automatic one point game (Bird hitting the 2 ft's).
The article *blames* the loss because of Madden's call, even thouggh
the C's would have been down with 1 point at the least with 3 seconds
left if a foul had been called... Madden's (columnist) childish
behavior is quite saddening to me. It is sad to see that at least
one boston sports columnist has been reduced to using excuses and
false accusations to cover up a team's obvious *self* failure.
JMO, though.
sean
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| 8.914 | | DELNI::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Mar 05 1990 15:00 | 7 |
|
Hey, the C's were already given the benefit of one ridiculous technical
call, and didn't take advantage of it. Even NBA officials have to
maintain some credibility, ya know?
glenn (disappointed in the result, but the Celtics gave this one away)
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| 8.915 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Mon Mar 05 1990 15:03 | 11 |
|
Commendable quotes from McHale and Parish about the no call.
Parish- "They didn't call it so it doesn't matter. It doesn't make
sense to cry about it."
McHale- "Calls are calls. I don't make 'em. If I did, we'd be undefeated."
These 2 players are the main reason I have respect for the C's.
sean
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| 8.916 | A good no-call by the refs ! | LUNER::BROOKS | But P.W. Botha gets the Gas Face... | Mon Mar 05 1990 15:26 | 14 |
| Indeed Sean. I must admit to a gruding respect for Parrish and McHale,
esp. McHale and his blunt commentary after games. He really gets
off some gems, I'll tell ya.
Anyhow, Rodgers and Bird had better get used to the New Reality
- no more B.S. calls for the Celtwits in the Gahden.
Now they take their medicine like everyone else.
Ah yes, reality has set in, and Septic-bashing will never be better.
HAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!
DrM
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| 8.917 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Mon Mar 05 1990 15:28 | 6 |
| Akeem player of the week hands down. Posted 37 points and 25
rebounds in the Detroit loss. Posted 41 points in the Phoenix win
and the quadruple double in the GS win. If he doesn't get it I
might be very upset 8^)
sean
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| 8.918 | Real clutch Larry ... How about that slam by Pippen ! | LUNER::BROOKS | But P.W. Botha gets the Gas Face... | Mon Mar 05 1990 15:28 | 11 |
| How about that Class A Choke Job by Larry Lovelace- uh, I mean Larry
Bird ?????
Can you CLANK !
I knew you could .....
HAHAHAHAHA (tm)
Yo Larry, why don't you and Jimmah quit whining, and take your booties
on off the court !
|
| 8.919 | Don't you have your own note for this crap? | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Mon Mar 05 1990 15:28 | 0 |
| 8.920 | David Robinson is making a run at the honors as well. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Mon Mar 05 1990 15:29 | 0 |
| 8.921 | | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Mon Mar 05 1990 16:12 | 5 |
| Sean, you didn't mention those quotes are from Mike Madden's column.
You don't read him often do you? The whole column, and 99% of all he
writes, was tongue in cheek! I suppose you believed the part about the
7.6 earthquake in Saugus too, right? Why didn't you blast him for that?
Denny
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| 8.922 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Mon Mar 05 1990 16:17 | 45 |
| 8.923 | Houston stats crew = slow thinkers | 4159::NAZZARO | Hank Gathers - RIP | Mon Mar 05 1990 17:06 | 11 |
| Re. the quadruple double:
Larry came close to one three years ago, but was one turnover short.
;-)
That Houston scoring crew was pretty dim to add an assist on the box
after the game was over. We would have given him an extra assist much
earlier so nobody could tell we made it up!!!
NAZZ (an unscrupulously honest statistician who would NEVER fudge a
player's stats, especially one on his FBA team)
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| 8.924 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Mon Mar 05 1990 17:16 | 4 |
| Does anyone know what the stats were for the quad double? As
usual all the papers I have read ignored it. Thanks 8^)
sean
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| 8.925 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Mon Mar 05 1990 17:21 | 7 |
| Actually, I recall Bird having a triple double with 9 steals at the end of the
third quarter in a game where he sat out the complete fourth quarter due to the
blowout.
I posted the box for the Akeem quadruple double in the Celtics conference.
j.
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| 8.927 | close but no cigar! | SA1794::GUSICJ | Referees whistle while they work.. | Mon Mar 05 1990 17:30 | 9 |
|
re: Jeff
Jeff, you are correct about Bird's near miss. The game was
against Utah out there and the C's had a huge lead going into the
4th when Bird sat down.
bill..g.
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| 8.928 | Give Bird an * for sitting out the 4th qtr. of the Utah game! :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Mon Mar 05 1990 17:39 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.929 | Akeem's assists were reset to 9, denying him the quad. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Tue Mar 06 1990 01:40 | 0 |
| 8.930 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Tue Mar 06 1990 10:59 | 5 |
|
Missed the Houston-SA warfare last night (damn). Anyone got
any word on how it went down in the Hemisfear? Thanks.
sean
|
| 8.931 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Tue Mar 06 1990 11:40 | 18 |
|
Miami stunned Utah last night (at least I was stunned) 105-104
at Miami. Elsewhere it was NJ over Sacramento 128-111 and Philly
over the Clippers 128-105.
Tonight's schedule (some great games):
Portland at NY 7:35 *
Utah at Orlando 7:35
Phoenix at Atlanta 7:35 *
Sacramento at Detroit 7:35
Washington at Indiana 7:35
Chicago at Milwaukee 8:05 *
LA Lakers at Houston 8:35 *
Charlotte at Denver 9:35
Cleveland at Seattle 10:05
sean
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| 8.932 | Akeem Won The Battle Of Centers | 2HOT::NORI | | Tue Mar 06 1990 11:50 | 5 |
| re: .930
Rockets won the game. Akeem dominated Robinson for 37pts, 14rebs and 5
blocked shots.
-- Ram Nori
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| 8.933 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | He's busted wide open!!! | Tue Mar 06 1990 12:37 | 5 |
| I saw the game and Akeem pretty much made NavyBaby (tm) (Robinson)
look like a slow, inexperienced, and otherwise untalented rookie. I was
looking forward to this matchup. I guess NavyBavy (tm) wasn't.
the devil dog
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| 8.934 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue Mar 06 1990 12:56 | 3 |
|
What's with Miami? They have won 3 of their last 6. I feel sorry for
Orlando tonight. The Mailman will go wild.
|
| 8.935 | A classic ! | FRSBEE::BROOKS | Real men don't *DO* House Music | Tue Mar 06 1990 13:29 | 3 |
| NavyBaby (tm) ???
I'm floorwaaard !
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| 8.936 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Mar 06 1990 13:46 | 6 |
| Robinson led the Spurs in scoring with 29. The game was a close one
all the way to the wire. The game appeared to be a game of streaks.
Houston had the last streak and won the game.
In other Spurs news, they signed F/G Reggie Williams for the remainder
of the season.
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| 8.937 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | THEREMASTEREDVERSION-COKE.2 | Wed Mar 07 1990 10:36 | 6 |
| The Lakers would've mortgaged the "Great Western Forum" to sign
NavyBaby, if he wasn't a man of honor and decided to sit out two years
in order to prostitute himself to the highest bidder. Then he
would've been hailed as the greatest player of the century.
/Don
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| 8.938 | Akeem had 8 blocks | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Wed Mar 07 1990 10:41 | 29 |
| Akeem and co. downed the Lakers last night 112-95. Akeem had
27 points, 14 rebounds and I don't know how many blocks. For the
Lakers, Magic scored 27 points, 8 assists and Worthy had 18 points,
9 rebounds. It was a pretty thorough beating of the Lakers.
Elsewhere, Portland defeated NY 112-100 despite Drexler's 1-10
shooting. Ewing had 40 points in the losing effort.
Chicago upped it's streak to 9 in a row and gained sole possesion
of 2nd place in the Eastern Conference by defeating Milwaukee 114-105.
Jordan and Pippen scored 35 and 18 respectively to pull out the
win. Robertson on Milwaukee nailed 33 points.
Also, Phoenix beat Atlanta 113-111 in a battle of the forwards
with Chambers scoring 31 and Wilkins netting 43.
It was Detroit over Sacramento 101-91 (Laimbeer had 25 points
and 12 rebounds... grrrr 8^).
Utah beat Orlando 111-101. Malone got 31 points and Theus got
22.
Washington beat Indiana 113-98, GS beat Charlotte 138-117...
Tonight's games:
Portland at Boston 7:35 ***** (5 star game :)
LA Clippers at NJ 7:35
New York at Phil. 7:35 *****
Phoenix at Wash. 7:35
Orlando at Miami 7:35
Denver at Minn. 8:05
LA Lakers at Dallas 8:35
sean
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| 8.939 | Enjoy | STARVU::MACGREGOR | | Wed Mar 07 1990 11:16 | 95 |
| The numbers in the parens are the players previous position in relation to
this chart from last week.
The 150 Block Barrier:
---------------------
Olajuwon Houston 256 (1) <-- Can he reach 400?
Ewing New York 233 (2)
Robinson San Antonio 218 (3) <-- Will the rookie beat Ewing?
Bol Golden State 167 (4)
Jones Washington 150 (-)
The 100 Steals Barrier: (soon to be the 150 Barrier)
----------------------
Robertson Milwaukee 156 (1) <-- His lead is slipping.
Stockton Utah 144 (2)
Pippen Chicago 143 (3) <-- Really pack a one
Jordan Chicago 138 (5) <-- two punch.
Harper Dallas 136 (4)
Conner New Jersey 119 (9)
Lever Denver 118 (-) <-- Must have missed him last week!
Bogues Charlotte 116 (14) <-- 12 steals in one week, amazing.
Olajuwon Houston 116 (8)
Corbin Minnesota 111 (10)
Douglas Miami 110 (11)
Porter Portland 110 (6)
Barkley Philadelphia 109 (7)
Grant LA Clippers 108 (-)
Humphries Milwaukee 107 (12)
Hardaway Golden State 105 (-)
Walker Washington 105 (13)
McMillian Seattle 100 (-)
Thomas Detroit 100 (-)
The 10 Assists Per Game Barrier:
-------------------------------
Stockton Utah 14.3 (1) <-- Pretty much has a lock on first.
Johnson LA Lakers 11.9 (2)
K.Johnson Phoenix 11.1 (3) <-- Can he catch the other Johnson?
Bogues Charlotte 10.7 (4)
Grant LA Clippers 10.0 (5)
The 10 Rebounds Per Game Barrier:
--------------------------------
Olajuwon Houston 13.8 (1) <-- MVP type week.
Tarpley Dallas 12.7 (2)
Oakley New York 12.0 (3) <-- Losing rebounds to Ewing.
Robinson San Antonio 11.8 (4)
Barkley Philadelphia 11.3 (5)
Malone Utah 10.7 (7) The battle for sixth rages on.
Ewing New York 10.5 (8)
Seikaly Miami 10.4 (6)
Bowie New Jersey 10.3 (9) <-- I think he has one rebound edge
Parish Boston 10.3 (10) over Parish.
Grant LA Clippers 10.0 (12)
Cage fell through barrier.
The 25 Points Per Game Barrier:
------------------------------
Jordan Chicago 33.0 (1) <-- Any doubt he'll win this one?
Malone Utah 30.6 (2)
Ewing New York 28.1 (3)
Chambers Phoenix 26.4 (4)
Wilkins Atlanta 25.8 (5) <-- Quietest 25 points I've ever seen.
Mullin Golden State 25.2 (6)
The .900 FT Barrier (minimum 100):
---------------------------------
Bird Boston .928 (1)
McHale Boston .924 (2) <-- Here's to hoping he wins it!
E.Johnson Phoenix .9224 (3)
Davis Denver .9222 (4)
Dumars Detroit .910 (5)
Porter fell through barrier.
The .550 FG Barrier (minimum 100): (soon to be 150 Barrier)
---------------------------------
Koncav Atlanta .620 (1) <-- Drops if minimum is 101.
Barkley Philadelphia .603 (2)
West Phoenix .598 (-) <-- Hmm. Did I miss him last week or
Parrish Boston .585 (4) did he shoot 38-38 this week 8^)
Malone Utah .581 (3)
Rodman Detroit .573 (5)
Williams Portland .565 (7)
Woolridge LA Lakers .563 (-)
Turpin fell through the barrier.
Polynice fell through the barrier.
The Wizard
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| 8.940 | | LEVERS::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Wed Mar 07 1990 11:39 | 8 |
|
re: .939
Thanks. It's really incredible to see K. Malone in 2nd place
for scoring and 3rd place for fg% considering the massive number
of shots he has taken.
sean
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| 8.941 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Katerina, you get me at Witt's end! | Wed Mar 07 1990 11:50 | 7 |
| Sean,
It isn't that amazing, considering Karl rarely shoots from beyond
6 feet from the hoop. When I saw him vs. the Sonics, he scored
30 + points, almost all from the line and on layups.
JD
|
| 8.942 | where's the chameleon(tm)? | PNO::HEISER | Menudo: Breakfast of Champions | Wed Mar 07 1990 13:17 | 3 |
| Hey Doc! How about that Nuke Job Houston laid on the Lakers!?!?!
Mike
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| 8.943 | Hey! Malone is 12-29 from three point range ;^). | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Wed Mar 07 1990 13:20 | 0 |
| 8.944 | | TACKLE::STROUT | wish i was Ocean size... | Wed Mar 07 1990 13:46 | 12 |
|
re: Malone
I'm not so sure that his shooting percentage is that unamazing.
I've seen him sink some pretty decent jumpers game to game along
with hitting some TOUGH inside shots that I would never believe
would go in. He's got great patience and confidence in his shot
(like Barkley) and he shoots the ball quite often.
Were talking about someone who is third in the league in field
goals attempted (behind Jordan, Wilkins and J. Malone). Impressive!
sean
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| 8.945 | | LUNER::BROOKS | Real men don't *DO* House Music | Wed Mar 07 1990 14:48 | 19 |
| re Hiser the Miser,
The Rockts have played some pretty good ball over the last 6 weeks,
but are still plauged by bouts of inconsistency. Akeem always has
playedd well against the Lakers - it seems that his game goes up
a notch.
And even without seeing the game on the tube, I'm willing to bet
that Mitchell Wiggins made Magic's life miserable with his defense.
Wiggins used to play Magic as well as any guard in the league,
including Dumars, Jordan, ect.
As to how far can the Rockets go ? Keep an eye on Thorpe. He really
has emerged as a force over the last few weeks. He and Floyd will
have to provide high-octane support to Akeem.
As for the chameilion remark, Mikey you're the expert.
Doc
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| 8.946 | So Doc, who's your favorite team this week? | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | TheRemasteredVersion-Coke.2 | Wed Mar 07 1990 14:55 | 1 |
|
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| 8.947 | Doc knows Rockets | PNO::HEISER | Menudo: Breakfast of Champions | Wed Mar 07 1990 15:18 | 3 |
| > As for the chameilion remark, Mikey you're the expert.
Doc, what's ^^^^ this?
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| 8.948 | | LEVERS::STROUT | an ounce of perception... | Thu Mar 08 1990 11:31 | 9 |
|
Portland ripped Boston apart last night 130-117 with Drexler's
39 point, 12 assist, 11 rebound game. Bird had 22 for Boston.
Elsewhere Philly took over first place by soundly crushing NY
110-93. Hawkins scored 26 points for Philly.
Tonight: Utah at Chicago... whaddagame!
sean
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| 8.949 | | XOANAN::HEISER | Amadeus, Bach, Beethoven, Kitty Hawk | Thu Mar 08 1990 12:54 | 4 |
| That's 2 in a row that the Knicks have lost in MSG. What's going on up
there?
Mike
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| 8.950 | The Knicks lost to the 76ers in the Spectrum | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Vermont in the Final Four? | Thu Mar 08 1990 12:59 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.951 | Where's Doc? I figgered he'd be on the Blazer wagon by now. | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Vermont in the Final Four? | Thu Mar 08 1990 13:28 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.952 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | iceMAN | Thu Mar 08 1990 13:53 | 7 |
|
I think the Doc is on the Sixers bandwagon now because they're in
first place...
Doc's current hoop list... (sixers,lakers,knicks,spurs,rockets,jazz,
trailblazers,hawks,bulls)
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| 8.953 | la, chi, por, phi... my longtime 4 favroites | LEVERS::STROUT | an ounce of perception... | Thu Mar 08 1990 13:59 | 0 |
| 8.954 | Drexler sure looks different, blends in well with the team | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | I want my Infantile Banter! | Thu Mar 08 1990 14:08 | 1 |
|
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| 8.955 | we stunk! | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | To reach, the unreachable STAR:: | Thu Mar 08 1990 14:27 | 4 |
| Buck WIlliams must be glad to finally be playing for a winner...
py
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| 8.956 | Moanowski is jealous, cause the Sixers are in, the Cads are out ! | LUNER::BROOKS | Real men don't *DO* House Music | Thu Mar 08 1990 16:08 | 9 |
| I think you can knock 6 of those teams off the list.
Anyhow, Paul why don't you give it a rest, before I start reminding
you aand everyone else of the Cadvaers illustrious choke history.
It must be something about the water - becasue why do Clevescum
teams choke so much ?
Why waterBOY ?
|
| 8.957 | | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Thu Mar 08 1990 16:12 | 3 |
| Hey Dock, tell us about the great sports tradition of Houstons'
teams.
Denny
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| 8.958 | Suppose I tell you about the Sixers and Lakers as well ? | LUNER::BROOKS | Real men don't *DO* House Music | Thu Mar 08 1990 16:14 | 1 |
|
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| 8.959 | | PWRVAX::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Thu Mar 08 1990 16:23 | 8 |
| Nice tap dance Dock. How about starting with the sub-500 Sprockets
and the 'AFC Central Champion Houston Oilers'. I guess when you have so
many 'favorite' teams you can call someone elses 'chokers' but we all
know the truth. You say you lived in LA so you like the Lakers. You
say you liked Dr J so you were a 6ers fan. How come you're not a
Warriors fan? I thought you were fom there. I guess they're not front
runners like the others.
Denny
|
| 8.960 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Thu Mar 08 1990 20:00 | 0 |
| 8.961 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Fri Mar 09 1990 11:52 | 15 |
| Houston won it's fifth in a row last night... slowing inching
towards the .500 mark (29-31). Akeem Olajuwon is playing some
impressive ball. He scored 16 of his 30 points in the third quarter
in their victory over Seattle. There's no doubt in my mind who
deserves MVP for this season. Akeem has played consistently great
througout the season, in fact, since the half quarter mark he has
upped his game where others seemed to have leveled out or slowed
down.
This win puts the *impressive* streak at five, beating Pheonix,
Golden State, San Antonio, Los Angeles and Seattle. Non-exapnsion
wise I'd have to say that the Midwest Division is looking like the
best division in the NBA (especially if Houston wins 2 more, making
all non expansion MidWest teams over .500).
sean
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| 8.962 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Bullwinkle stops Iditatrod, film at 11 | Fri Mar 09 1990 12:11 | 10 |
| Sean,
Beating Seattle away from Seattle isn't that big a deal. Believe
me. Akeem should have a great game vs. the SOnics, since the SOnics
don't have a center. Actually, Akeems scoring is down because he
wasn't doing it early in the season. OVer the last 2 weeks he's
been awesome, but early on he wasn't putting the big offensive numbers
up.
JD
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| 8.963 | | XOANAN::HEISER | in your face with no disgrace | Fri Mar 09 1990 12:57 | 7 |
| > I think you can knock 6 of those teams off the list.
Doc, some of us don't even have a TOTAL of 6 favorite teams in ALL 4
major sports, never mind 1 sport.
Have a nice day,
Mike
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| 8.964 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Fri Mar 09 1990 13:02 | 5 |
| What's wrong with liking more than one team? It definitely
keeps you more interested and up to date in the sport. Everyone
still has their one *favorite* team for each sport, of course.
sean
|
| 8.965 | | XOANAN::HEISER | Amadeus, Bach, Beethoven, Kitty Hawk | Fri Mar 09 1990 14:45 | 11 |
| > What's wrong with liking more than one team? It definitely
> keeps you more interested and up to date in the sport. Everyone
> still has their one *favorite* team for each sport, of course.
Sean, nothing is wrong with it, but anything in excess is hazardous :-)
That is why Chameleon, I mean Doc gets ragged on for it.
I follow 2 NBA teams and 1 team each for the NFL, NHL, and MLB. Not
6 of each like some.
Mike
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| 8.966 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Fri Mar 09 1990 15:07 | 5 |
| Mike, ok I see what you see, outside of BBall I only follow
1 NHL (who currently are in the dumps 8^) and 1 NFL.. Excess can
be hazardous 8^)
sean
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| 8.967 | Bogus accusations from bogus people | EARRTH::BROOKS | Real men don't *DO* House Music | Fri Mar 09 1990 15:46 | 44 |
| Sean, don't believe the hype. You see, I never have followed 6 teams,
or even 4. I do enjoy watching the Celts bite the big one against
anyone, and in their frustration, Denny and Mikey say that I'm a
wagon jumper.
I grew up in San Diego after the Rockets moved to Houston. We could
get Laker games with ease, so I followed the Lakers (and became
a all-time Wilt fan).
We move to Houston, where I spent 10 years, so I followed the Rockets.
Because of DrJ, George Mac, and the league's coolest uniforms, I
started following the Sixers.
I see nothing worng with that at all.
Of course, since the Lakers have owned the Septics and the Puns
over the years, this is intolerable to Mike and Denny. Mike is
scrambling to cover his hypocriscy, but it won't work.
I'm a A.B.C. (Anyf---ingbody But the Celtics) Fan, but my heart
will always be with the Lakers, Rockets and Sixers.
Please note that the more frustrated the 'fan', the louder they
yelp "wagon-jumper" like a whipped cur.
Penny Rieu - Frustrated Jihad Member, doomed to wallow in mediocrity
for another 10-200 years.
Mike Miser - Fan of the Puns (eternally doomed to outhouse status
by the Lakers), and of course The Fungus.
Paul "The Small" Moanowksi - Fan of the Cadavers, and native of
Choke City, the Hamlet Of Heimlich, The Town Of Twaddle, The Suburb
Of Scum, and The Clueless City Of Chokers in the Clutch .....
Clevscum (tm) ....
(But he is an Akeem fan, and there is hope !congrats !)
Hope this helps,
The Doc
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| 8.968 | Washington at Boston tonight, 7:35 | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Fri Mar 09 1990 16:15 | 6 |
|
re: .967
A.B.C???? Better (tm) that one!!! Good comeback 8^)
sean
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| 8.969 | | XOANAN::HEISER | Amadeus, Bach, Beethoven, Kitty Hawk | Fri Mar 09 1990 17:32 | 13 |
| > I grew up in San Diego after the Rockets moved to Houston. We could
George, that was your first mistake. Who in their right mind would
want to leave San Diego?
> Please note that the more frustrated the 'fan', the louder they
> yelp "wagon-jumper" like a whipped cur.
Wrong again. The more frustrated fan resorts to name calling and thus
reveals the true level of their immaturity.
Hope this helps,
Mike
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| 8.970 | Pooooooooooh! | MUSKIE::WIERSBECK | The Fabulous MN Barking Ducks | Fri Mar 09 1990 18:02 | 10 |
| WOOFS WIN! WOOFS WIN!!
Nine out of twelve at home now and the best overall expansion team
record. (of the four)
Pooh has looked very good since he's become a starter. He probably
will end up #2 in the RoY awards.
Spud
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| 8.971 | Behind Hardaway :^)? | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Sat Mar 10 1990 13:27 | 0 |
| 8.972 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Mon Mar 12 1990 15:15 | 9 |
| Tonight's joke-... I mean games:
Golden State at LA Clippers 10:35
Orlando at Seattle 10:05
San Antonio at Minnesota 8:05
LA Lakers at Charlotte 7:35
Milwaukee at New Jersey 7:35
sean
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| 8.973 | I get to see Magic tonight... | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Bullwinkle stops Iditatrod, film at 11 | Mon Mar 12 1990 15:36 | 5 |
| Hey Sean,
Watch it, I'll be at one of those jokes, er games ;-))
JD
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| 8.974 | Orlando [insert team name] | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Mon Mar 12 1990 15:44 | 5 |
| JD, which Magic is that, player or team? If it's Earvin you're
gonna see it might be nice to see Worthy on Jr in the battle of
the blue! 8^)
sean
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| 8.975 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Bullwinkle stops Iditatrod, film at 11 | Mon Mar 12 1990 16:18 | 6 |
| Sean,
Unfortunately, it's the team. I saw the real Magic a few weeks
ago.
JD
|
| 8.976 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Mon Mar 12 1990 18:18 | 6 |
|
JD, do the Clippers still have Larry Smith? He used to be one
of my favroite meat and potato players. He has a pet snake called
Mr. Mean. 8^)
sean
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| 8.977 | Larry Smith signed with Houston as a free agent in the off-season. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Mon Mar 12 1990 18:32 | 0 |
| 8.978 | | REFINE::ASHE | Don't have a cow, man... | Mon Mar 12 1990 19:38 | 1 |
| Charles Smith is with the Clippers
|
| 8.979 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Bullwinkle stops Iditatrod, film at 11 | Mon Mar 12 1990 21:13 | 5 |
| Sean,
Larry Smith was one of my favorite players. A rebounding machine.
JD
|
| 8.980 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Tue Mar 13 1990 12:20 | 20 |
|
Tonight's bloodbaths:
Chicago at New York 7:30
Boston at Atlanta 8:00
Houston at Denver 9:30
Phoenix at Utah 9:30
tonight's birdbaths:
Philly at Cleveland 7:30
SA at Indiana 7:30
Miami at Sacramento 10:30
Orlando at Portland 10:30
and of course, Sean's official pick of the week:
Thursday, San Antonio at Detroit 7:30
sean
|
| 8.981 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Wed Mar 14 1990 10:59 | 17 |
|
okay, I give up, who won these games:
San Antonio at Indiana
Houston at Denver (Akeem stats too!)
Phoenix at Utah
Don't you just love living on the east coast?
Chicago downed the Knicks at NY last night, reaffirming in my
mind that they are the second best eastern conference team (40-21).
Philadelphia continued it's skid (what's going on with this team
anyways????) while Boston gained ground on both teams with the
possibility of being only 2 games behind after tongiht's game in
Dallas.
sean
|
| 8.982 | The good... | ACTING::MACGREGOR | | Wed Mar 14 1990 11:01 | 83 |
| The numbers in the parens are the players previous position in relation to
this chart.
The 150 Block Barrier:
---------------------
Olajuwon Houston 277 (1) <-- Can he reach 400?
Ewing New York 251 (2)
Robinson San Antonio 228 (3) <-- Will the rookie beat Ewing?
Bol Golden State 184 (4)
Jones Washington 158 (5)
Eaton Utah 155 (-)
The 125 Steals Barrier: (soon to be the 150 Barrier [next week])
----------------------
Robertson Milwaukee 166 (1) <-- His lead is slipping.
Jordan Chicago 154 (4) <-- While the battle for second
Stockton Utah 154 (2) rages on.
Pippen Chicago 153 (3)
Harper Dallas 139 (5)
Lever Denver 127 (7)
Bogues Charlotte 126 (8)
The 10 Assists Per Game Barrier:
-------------------------------
Stockton Utah 14.2 (1) <-- Pretty much has a lock on first.
Johnson LA Lakers 12.0 (2)
K.Johnson Phoenix 11.1 (3) <-- Can he catch the other Johnson?
Bogues Charlotte 10.5 (4)
Grant LA Clippers 10.0 (5)
The 10 Rebounds Per Game Barrier:
--------------------------------
Olajuwon Houston 13.8 (1)
Tarpley Dallas 13.1 (2)
Oakley New York 11.9 (3) <-- Losing rebounds to Ewing.
Robinson San Antonio 11.8 (4)
Barkley Philadelphia 11.3 (5)
Malone Utah 10.8 (6)
Seikaly Miami 10.6 (8)
Ewing New York 10.5 (7)
Bowie New Jersey 10.4 (9)
Parish Boston 10.1 (10)
Grant LA Clippers 10.0 (11) <-- Hasn't moved in three weeks.
The 25 Points Per Game Barrier:
------------------------------
Jordan Chicago 33.4 (1) <-- Any doubt he'll win this one?
Malone Utah 30.7 (2)
Ewing New York 28.2 (3)
Chambers Phoenix 26.9 (4)
Wilkins Atlanta 26.1 (5)
Mullin Golden State 25.1 (6)
Miller Indiana 25.0 (-)
The .900 FT Barrier (minimum 100):
---------------------------------
Bird Boston .929 (1)
E.Johnson Phoenix .926 (3)
McHale Boston .924 (2) <-- Here's to hoping he wins it!
Davis Denver .911 (4)
Dumars Detroit .907 (5)
There are five more players between .890 and .899
The .550 FG Barrier (minimum 150):
---------------------------------
West Phoenix .607 (3)
Barkley Philadelphia .599 (2)
Parrish Boston .576 (4)
Malone Utah .571 (5)
Rodman Detroit .568 (6)
Woolridge LA Lakers .566 (8)
Williams Portland .563 (7)
Brickowski San Antonio .553 (-)
Koncav fell through barrier, not enough shots.
The Wizard
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| 8.983 | the bad and the ugly. | ACTING::MACGREGOR | | Wed Mar 14 1990 11:02 | 66 |
|
The Less Than 5 Minutes Per Game Barrier:
-----------------------------------------
Rowinski Miami 1.0
R.Brown Utah 1.6
Ferrell Atlanta 2.0
McCants LA Lakers 2.3
Butler New York 2.5
Workman Atlanta 2.7
Jackson Sacremento 3.4
Johnston Portland 3.4
Harris LA Clippers 3.6
McCann Dallas 3.7
Morrison Phoenix 3.9
Copeland Philadelphia 4.3
Smrek Golden State 4.3
Mason New Jersey 4.4
Quinnett New York 4.4
Hastings Detroit 4.6
The Less Than .375 FG % Barrier: (minimum of 50)
-------------------------------
Morton Cleveland .291
McCloud Indiana .319
Lowe Minnesota .333
Toney Sacramento .335
Bol Golden State .338
Davis Chicago .347
Jones Dallas .347
Anderson Charlotte .360
Haley New Jersey .369
Sampson Sacramento .372
Blaylock New Jersey .374
Lucas Houston .375
Gee, I can shoot better than these guys blindfolded from half court 8^)
The Less Than .625 FT % Barrier: (minimum of 50)
-------------------------------
Lane Denver .340 <-- Now this is REAL scarry.
Polynice Seattle .500 <-- SAY WHAT?? He shots .538 FG
Anderson Milwaukee .509
Bannister LA Clippers .521
Koncav Atlanta .567
Myers New Jersey .577
White Dallas .584
Richardson Minnesota .590
Thompson LA Clippers .591
Strickland San Antonio .600
Seikaly Miami .605
Volkov Atlanta .611
Horton Washington .614
Johnson Detroit .618
Rodman Detroit .621
Damn, I once hit 14 out of 25 (56%) from the line with my eyes closed. No
smiley here, just the troof.
The Wizard
|
| 8.984 | You forgot the Worst one --> Chris Dudley | JUNCO::RNEWCOMB | FBA --> It's FAN-tastic | Wed Mar 14 1990 11:12 | 24 |
|
The Less Than .625 FT % Barrier: (minimum of 50)
-------------------------------
Dudley NJ Nets .337
Lane Denver .340 <-- Now this is REAL scarry.
Polynice Seattle .500 <-- SAY WHAT?? He shots .538 FG
Anderson Milwaukee .509
Bannister LA Clippers .521
Koncav Atlanta .567
Myers New Jersey .577
White Dallas .584
Richardson Minnesota .590
Thompson LA Clippers .591
Strickland San Antonio .600
Seikaly Miami .605
Volkov Atlanta .611
Horton Washington .614
Johnson Detroit .618
Rodman Detroit .621
|
| 8.985 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Wed Mar 14 1990 12:09 | 11 |
|
JD, checked out Larry Smith's stats the other day! In 16.6 minutes
a game he is averaging 5.7 rebounds!! Put him in 40 minutes a game
and we're talking 14.+!!! Hungry!
FWIW, Houston is the second top rebounding team in the league right
now. With Akeem averaging 13.8, Thorpe averaging 9.3 and with Smith
there really is no doubt. Who's number one? Who else? Portland.
Robinson (9.8), Kersey (8.5), Drexler (6.5), Duckworth (6.4).
sean
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| 8.986 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | No matter where you go,there you are | Wed Mar 14 1990 12:17 | 11 |
| re the Wiz,
Just some questions on your little questions? Robinson is 23 blocks
behind Ewing, and you have "Can the rookie catch him?", meanwhile,
Ewing is 26 blocks behind Akeem who has "Can he reach 400" - so
is there an anti-Ewing bent to your comments? Why not Can Ewing
reach 400? Can Ewing catch Akeem? And in rebounding, you say Oakley
is losing rebounds to Ewing, but why not Ewing is losing rebounds
to Oakley? Just some honest question, begging honest answers.
JD
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| 8.987 | JD, I bribed him 8^) | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Wed Mar 14 1990 12:22 | 0 |
| 8.988 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Wed Mar 14 1990 13:01 | 10 |
|
Denver beat Houston 117-114 making Doug Moe the 11th NBA coach to amass
600 career victories. No details, I didn't see it. The Nuggets are in
the middle of a brutal week that could make or break them. They lost a
close one Fri. to the Spurs then lost to Utah on Stockton's last second
three pointer on Sunday. They beat houston last night. Phoenix and
Dallas are up next. I think they play Portland after that, but could be
wrong.
Phoenix squeaked by Utah last night, also.
|
| 8.989 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Wed Mar 14 1990 13:37 | 16 |
| >The 10 Rebounds Per Game Barrier:
>--------------------------------
> .
> .
> Grant LA Clippers 10.0 (11) <-- Hasn't moved in three weeks.
Gary Grant of the Clippers is averaging 10 ASSISTS per game, not
Rebounds. And he hasn't moved in weeks, because he is out for the season with
a broken ankle...
Hope this helps...
JimH
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| 8.990 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Wed Mar 14 1990 13:48 | 17 |
| Last night's scores:
PHILADELPHIA (102) AT CLEVELAND (119)
SAN ANTONIO (103) AT INDIANA (102)
BOSTON (112) AT ATLANTA (100)
CHICAGO (111) AT NEW YORK (108)
PHOENIX (114) AT UTAH (106)
HOUSTON (114) AT DENVER (117)
MIAMI (87) AT SACRAMENTO (121)
ORLANDO (117) AT PORTLAND (142)
As for anyone doubting that Jordan will win the scoring title, not really. But
Karl Malone is making a serious run at it. But he has alot of ground to make
up.
j.
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| 8.991 | | ACTING::MACGREGOR | | Wed Mar 14 1990 14:07 | 98 |
| Corrections noted and fixed. Thanks to those who are helping.
Concerning Ewing comments: The reason I asked if Olajuwon could reach 400
is that his current pace puts him at 372 for the season. Since the last
couple of weeks he's had a bunch of blocks, I put that message in. Ewing
on the other hand is on a 332 pace. A far distance.
As for the message "Will the rookie beat Ewing?" I thought that there were
more people interested in seeing if Robinson can beat Ewing than Ewing can
beat Olajuwon. In any case, I am and I'm writing it so 8-P
As for Oakley losing rebounds to Ewing instead of Ewing losing rebounds to
Oakley, Oakley is the defending champ and his lower numbers can be attributed
to Ewings improved rebounding capabilities this year.
Besides, since Robinson won my bet for me, I have a larger interest in him
than Olajuwon, Ewing, and Oakley combined and since the last column is my
comments, although I appreciate the critisism, I don't believe that calling
me a Ewing basher is a wise thing to do.
The 150 Block Barrier:
---------------------
Olajuwon Houston 277 (1) <-- Can he reach 400?
Ewing New York 251 (2) <-- Can he reach 350?
Robinson San Antonio 228 (3) <-- Will the rookie beat Ewing?
Bol Golden State 184 (4)
Jones Washington 158 (5)
Eaton Utah 155 (-)
The 125 Steals Barrier: (soon to be the 150 Barrier [next week])
----------------------
Robertson Milwaukee 166 (1) <-- His lead is slipping.
Jordan Chicago 154 (4) <-- While the battle for second
Stockton Utah 154 (2) rages on.
Pippen Chicago 153 (3)
Harper Dallas 139 (5)
Lever Denver 127 (7)
Bogues Charlotte 126 (8)
The 10 Assists Per Game Barrier:
-------------------------------
Stockton Utah 14.2 (1) <-- Pretty much has a lock on first.
Johnson LA Lakers 12.0 (2)
K.Johnson Phoenix 11.1 (3) <-- Can he catch the other Johnson?
Bogues Charlotte 10.5 (4)
Grant LA Clippers 10.0 (5)
The 10 Rebounds Per Game Barrier:
--------------------------------
Olajuwon Houston 13.8 (1)
Tarpley Dallas 13.1 (2)
Oakley New York 11.9 (3) <-- Losing rebounds to Ewing.
Robinson San Antonio 11.8 (4)
Barkley Philadelphia 11.3 (5)
Malone Utah 10.8 (6)
Seikaly Miami 10.6 (8)
Ewing New York 10.5 (7)
Bowie New Jersey 10.4 (9)
Parish Boston 10.1 (10)
The 25 Points Per Game Barrier:
------------------------------
Jordan Chicago 33.4 (1) <-- Any doubt he'll win this one?
Malone Utah 30.7 (2)
Ewing New York 28.2 (3)
Chambers Phoenix 26.9 (4)
Wilkins Atlanta 26.1 (5)
Mullin Golden State 25.1 (6)
Miller Indiana 25.0 (-)
The .900 FT Barrier (minimum 100):
---------------------------------
Bird Boston .929 (1)
E.Johnson Phoenix .926 (3)
McHale Boston .924 (2) <-- Here's to hoping he wins it!
Davis Denver .911 (4)
Dumars Detroit .907 (5)
There are five more players between .890 and .899
The .550 FG Barrier (minimum 150):
---------------------------------
West Phoenix .607 (3)
Barkley Philadelphia .599 (2)
Parrish Boston .576 (4)
Malone Utah .571 (5)
Rodman Detroit .568 (6)
Woolridge LA Lakers .566 (8)
Williams Portland .563 (7)
Brickowski San Antonio .553 (-)
Koncav fell through barrier, not enough shots.
The Wizard
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| 8.992 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Wed Mar 14 1990 14:11 | 7 |
|
Interesting comment when watching the Atlanta-C game. Moses
Malone is only one of 3 players to directly enter the NBA from high
school. Malone entered the NBA (Houston) when I first started
watching basketball. I was never aware that he didn't attend college??
sean
|
| 8.993 | dam youngsters ;^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | Townson St does it!!!! | Wed Mar 14 1990 14:19 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.994 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Wed Mar 14 1990 14:53 | 16 |
| >< Note 8.993 by CNTROL::CHILDS "Townson St does it!!!!" >
> -< dam youngsters ;^) >-
yep, 20 yrs old. Been watching the NBA for 70% of my life though!
8^)
Tonights games on tap:
Lakers at Philly 7:35
Boston at Dallas 8:35
Denver at Pheonix 9:35
Charlotte at Seattle 10:05
Miami at Clippers 10:35
sean
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| 8.995 | You Have One More Year | RAB::NORI | | Wed Mar 14 1990 18:56 | 7 |
| re : .994
Sean,
Beer taste great and less filling. :-)
-- Ram Nori
|
| 8.997 | | BAUCIS::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Wed Mar 14 1990 19:23 | 5 |
| Do you have the wrong topic??
O_J
|
| 8.998 | ooops and ooops | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Wed Mar 14 1990 19:27 | 2 |
| sure do.
thanks.
|
| 8.999 | Boston Scores and Standings? | KBOV00::ARMSTRONG | Artifishal Entelgenz | Thu Mar 15 1990 06:19 | 6 |
| Does anyone have the score of the Boston-Dallas game last night? I'm also curious
how the celts are standing.
Thanks,
D a v e
|
| 8.1000 | Dallas by 11 | TOOK::KOWALKOWSKI | | Thu Mar 15 1990 07:42 | 8 |
|
Dallas 113 Boston 102
Boston is 3 games behind NY and 2 behind the 76ers (if they beat the
Lakers in Philly last night)
|
| 8.1001 | Thanks for the info, 04:42 AM??? | KBOMFG::ARMSTRONG | | Thu Mar 15 1990 09:05 | 3 |
| Thanks for the quick response! Am I seeing things correctly? 04:42 Am?
Dave
|
| 8.1002 | unfortunately | MFGMEM::MIOLA | Phantom | Thu Mar 15 1990 09:39 | 6 |
|
They lost 113-102
Lou
|
| 8.1003 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Thu Mar 15 1990 10:53 | 16 |
| > < Note 8.995 by RAB::NORI >
> Beer taste great and less filling. :-)
Ouch Ram!!!! shaddup 8^)
Tonight's schedule of games:
San Antonio over Detroit 7:30
Lakers at Celeveland 7:30
NY at Minnesota 8
Washington at Milwaukee 8:30
Seattle at Utah 9:30
Portland at GS 10:30
Houston at Sacramento 10:30
sean
|
| 8.1004 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Thu Mar 15 1990 10:54 | 6 |
| > San Antonio over Detroit 7:30
Oooops! Freudian slip... I'll just leave it... sounds better
that way. 8^)
sean
|
| 8.1005 | who gets it in case of a tie? | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | I didn't start the fire....did U? | Thu Mar 15 1990 11:30 | 4 |
| Lakers lost last night so now they and Detroit are tied for first
overall in the race for home court advantage during the playoffs.
|
| 8.1006 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Thu Mar 15 1990 11:32 | 7 |
| > -< who gets it in case of a tie? >-
Good question, considering that their regular season record
is a tie also (both lost at home)... It might go down to conference
record.
sean
|
| 8.1007 | hand = hang... typo | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Thu Mar 15 1990 12:15 | 14 |
|
Anyone else watch the C's-Mav's game last night? I know I'm
going to get flamed for this but Larry Bird is a defensive stiff!
He got burnt so many times last night his moustache got singed!
Celtic's have the offensive capability to go far. Their half
court game is still impressive. Something's got to be done about
the defense. The team looks too slow. A long defensive rebound
almost always equates to a fast break. Part of this is because
some of the C's hand around the rebounder and try to steal the ball
and then it gets passed downcourt with no one home to defend.
JMO.
sean
|
| 8.1008 | He does play a great zone, though! | SASE::SZABO | | Thu Mar 15 1990 12:36 | 7 |
| Sean, not even the most die-hard Celtics fan in here will argue with
you about Bird's lack of defense. In fact, it was determined here in
SPORTS, long before you came along, that Bird is a "defensive
liability." So, you may now climb out of your bomb shelter in
peace........ :-)
H'awk
|
| 8.1009 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Thu Mar 15 1990 13:13 | 18 |
| Just wanted to defend one of my favorite players, Joe Barry Carroll. Since
being traded to Denver, he's been playing very well. Fitch has killed this
guy. Now as Denver's starting center he's putting together some very solid
games. Last night he had only 10 poknts but had 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 5
blocked shots and a steal.
Here are his numbers for the season and with Denver:
Player G MIN FG FGA FG% FT FTA FT%
CARROLL (TOT) 57 1304 222 555 .400 103 137 .752
CARROLL (DEN.) 11 302 63 150 .420 18 30 .600
Player 3FG 3FGA OREB TREB AST STL TO BLK PF PTS AVG
CARROLL (TOT) 0 2 102 344 72 32 100 85 149 547 9.6
CARROLL (DEN.) 0 0 20 94 29 13 36 29 27 144 13.1
j.
|
| 8.1010 | | PNO::HEISER | buyout mania sweeps DEC! | Thu Mar 15 1990 18:56 | 13 |
| In addition to the '93 Super Bowl, Phoenix may also host the '93 NBA
All-Star game. Jerry Colangelo announced last night that the league
office held a very favorable view to his proposal to have the All-Star
game in Phoenix that same year.
Now that the Super Bowl is coming here the same year (only 2 weeks
earlier), the league office is considering to move it to '92 or '94.
It may not do either event justice by having them 2 weeks apart in the
same city.
I'm psyched at the chance to attend either/both events!
Mike
|
| 8.1011 | Does anyone know????? | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:18 | 2 |
| In my local newspaper yesterday it stated that Chris JAckson of
LSU will turn pro after this season.
|
| 8.1012 | .1008 | JULIET::MAY_BR | Wimp football rules! | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:22 | 7 |
| re JBC:
Jeff, throughout his career JBC has had these short spurts of where
he plays near his ability, only to fall back to his old ways shortly
thereafter. Give him a chance.
Bruce
|
| 8.1013 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | iceMAN | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:10 | 2 |
|
Does anyone know how the Lakers did last night?
|
| 8.1014 | 112-96 | BAUCIS::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:13 | 4 |
| They lost to the Cavs from Clevescum.....8^
O_J
|
| 8.1015 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | iceMAN | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:19 | 4 |
|
Wow... 18 points... that's a blowout... Price and Ehlo must have
dominated the so called all-stars Magic and Scott.
|
| 8.1016 | yawn | LUNER::BROOKS | Hi ! I'm Jim Jupiter ... | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:45 | 14 |
| Paul ... when's the last time Clevscum's won a NBA Title ?
Or a conference title ?
Maybe a division title ?
Last question : If the playoffs were to start today, where would
Clevscum be ? Playing, or watching the Lakers on CBS/TNT ?
Help this hope,
Doc
|
| 8.1017 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Fri Mar 16 1990 15:29 | 7 |
|
Anybody else notice that Micheal Cooper fouled out in 7 minutes last
night!!!! What did he do, bring a chainsaw (not Frank!) on the court???
JimH :-)
|
| 8.1018 | ALmost a foul a minute... | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Hey, NICE hat!~ | Fri Mar 16 1990 15:41 | 6 |
| Jim,
I read that Coop was auditioning for the part of Greg Kite in a
new movie to be released this summer! ;-)
JD
|
| 8.1019 | | CSC32::GL_JOHNSON | My lethal weapon is my mind | Fri Mar 16 1990 16:23 | 11 |
| re: JBC
Seems that most of the locals are pleasantly pleased with his
play, but reserving opinion due the underlying factor of past
reputation. He's probably the only Nugget that's stayed clear of
ranting and raving from Moe thus far this season. Theory is that
coming to Denver to play in front of the home folks will inspire
him to *finally* live up to his potential. Only time will tell.
Glen J.
|
| 8.1020 | what, no nba discussion?? | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Mon Mar 19 1990 14:32 | 43 |
| 8.1021 | Inconsistant and NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO depth | BAUCIS::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Mon Mar 19 1990 19:39 | 7 |
| Re Last
The reason Utah lost is becuase,like I said I don't see them getting
far through the playoffs.
O_J
|
| 8.1022 | A change of heart? | CUPTAY::TESSIER | UConn Huskies: the magic continues | Mon Mar 19 1990 20:37 | 4 |
| So O_J, when did you come to that conclusion? After all, not long ago
you were picking Utah to win the western conference.
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.1023 | | BAUCIS::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Mon Mar 19 1990 20:57 | 20 |
| What on earth are you talking about?Find where I said it and then we can
talk.Is it me or do you jump to conclusions whenever you reply.Were you
not the one who said the Pistons weren't a great team??And weren't you
the one who said that they possesed no great player?Didn't you also say
that the Pistons weren't going to get to the finals?(which you changed
your mind on in the Pistons topic.)
I'm sure you now need water to wash down the foot in your mouth.
P.S. The only thing you've read from me is that Phoenix was going to win
the West.But we all know that you have a hard time reading replys when
they are written as clearly as can be.I said they might win it all;and
so might Chicago.Hope this helps.....................
later dude,
O_J
|
| 8.1024 | Barkley triple double tonight | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Tue Mar 20 1990 00:51 | 57 |
| Charles Barkley picked up his second (maybe third) career triple double
tonight. He narrowly missed the quadruple double. The Philly scoring team is
reviewing the tapes to see if they can find three more turnovers ;^). Along
with 5 steals and two blocks, this is a very impressive game. I do believe the
Charles Barkley piggy-back ride is just beginning.
j.
PHILADELPHIA (108) AT NEW JERSEY (94)
PHILADELPHIA
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
SMITH F 29 6-10 3-4 0 2 2 2 4 2 1 15
BARKLEY F 45 10-15 9-13 3 12 15 10 3 5 7 29
GMINSKI C 30 6-17 0-2 1 7 8 1 0 0 1 12
DAWKINS G 31 6-8 1-2 1 0 1 6 3 1 3 14
HAWKINS G 36 7-15 5-5 1 1 2 1 3 2 5 21
THORNTON 21 1-3 0-0 1 2 3 0 3 1 0 2
ANDERSON 30 5-10 0-0 2 3 5 3 3 1 3 10
BROOKS 17 2-2 1-1 0 1 1 3 0 0 0 5
PAYNE 1 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TOTALS 240 43-80 19-27 9 28 37 26 19 12 20 108
(.538) (.704) TEAM REBS: 7
NEW JERSEY
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
MORRIS F 37 7-12 5-6 6 2 8 2 3 1 2 19
HALEY F 14 0-1 0-0 1 1 2 0 2 0 1 0
BOWIE C 30 2-13 2-2 0 6 6 0 1 0 3 6
HOPSON G 33 6-9 1-2 0 1 1 1 2 2 3 13
CONNER G 34 7-10 4-4 1 6 7 5 3 4 2 18
DUDLEY 20 2-4 0-1 2 5 7 1 3 0 3 4
SHORT 22 4-8 2-2 0 1 1 0 0 0 3 10
GERVIN 29 8-20 0-0 7 4 11 1 5 2 1 16
MYERS 21 4-7 0-0 0 2 2 4 1 0 4 8
TOTALS 240 40-84 14-17 17 28 45 14 20 9 22 94
(.476) (.824) TEAM REBS: 3
PHILADELPHIA 39 22 23 24 - 108
NEW JERSEY 19 28 33 14 - 94
BLOCKED SHOTS: PHI - BARKLEY 2, ANDERSON. NJN - MORRIS 4, BOWIE,
DUDLEY, MYERS.
3-PT. FIELD GOALS: PHI 3-9 (.333), SMITH 0-2, BARKLEY 0-2,
DAWKINS 1-1, HAWKINS 2-3, ANDERSON 0-1. NJN 0-2 (.000), BOWIE 0-1,
SHORT 0-1.
TECHNICALS: NEW JERSEY - ILLEGAL DEFENSE (2).
OFFICIALS: HOLLINS, FRYER, WOOD.
A - 12,601.
|
| 8.1025 | Witherspoon of So. Mississippi the next sir Charles? | CNTROL::CHILDS | I need a miracle everyday | Tue Mar 20 1990 10:04 | 6 |
|
But will the NBA allow one it's bad boys, a guy who really speaks his
mind to be the league MVP? I doubt it but you can't convince me that
anybody other Charles deserves it.....
mike
|
| 8.1026 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Tue Mar 20 1990 11:06 | 9 |
|
re: mike
Charles would be my second choice no doubt. That quote about
"Who is it harder to make better?" was a riot!! I still feel Akeem
deserves it. He is playing some outstanding ball. It's a tough
choice... Magic will probably get it 8^)
sean
|
| 8.1027 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | You find one in every car... | Tue Mar 20 1990 11:43 | 10 |
| Charles deserves it over Akeem for one simple reason - when Charles
carries a team, he carries it to the top. When Akeem carries a
team, they fight to make the playoffs. Oh yeah, you can now start
with the 'supporting cast' arguements ;-)
IMHO, there are 5 legitimate MVP candidates this year - Charles,
Ewing, Akeem, Magic and Jordan. Of course, you can make strong
arguements for the Mailman.
JD
|
| 8.1028 | The Moses Syndrone | CNTROL::CHILDS | I need a miracle everyday | Tue Mar 20 1990 11:52 | 9 |
|
I'd rather make a strong case for Stockton over the mailman...
mailman is a great player but he's also the referee's darling...
can't believe a guy that plays that physical can get that many
incidental contact calls on his offensive moves...
mike
|
| 8.1029 | My pick for MVP | WMOIS::REARDON_S | Write when you find work | Tue Mar 20 1990 12:11 | 12 |
| I haven't seen his name mentioned yet but why not David Robinson of
San Antonio? Sure, he's got the ROTY sewn up but his stats are pretty
impressive and S.A. would be nowhere without him. If I owned a team
and could take 1 player to build around it would be Robinson.
G MIN FG FGA FG% FT FTA FT% ORB REB AST STL TO PTS PPG
- --- -- --- --- -- --- --- --- --- --- --- -- --- ---
63 2296 507 973 521 476 649 733 229 742 127 104 201 1490 23.7
Not too shabby...
Scott
|
| 8.1030 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Mar 20 1990 12:32 | 29 |
| 8.1031 | | VIEW3D::MACGREGOR | | Wed Mar 21 1990 12:19 | 76 |
|
The 150 Block Barrier:
---------------------
Olajuwon Houston 295 (1) <--- Needs to ave. 6.2/game for 400
Ewing New York 264 (2) <--- Needs to ave. 8.0/game for 400
Robinson San Antonio 247 (3) <--- Needs to outdo Ewing by 1/game
Bol Golden State 184 (4)
Eaton Utah 171 (6)
Jones Washington 158 (5)
West Phoenix 151 (-)
The 150 Steals Barrier:
----------------------
Robertson Milwaukee 172 (1) <--- Blistering pace is now a turtle
Stockton Utah 168 (3) <--- Looking for title = lots of steals
Pippen Chicago 161 (4) <--- These two are still the largest
Jordan Chicago 158 (2) one-two punch on steals.
The 10 Assists Per Game Barrier:
-------------------------------
Stockton Utah 14.4 (1) Nothing happening in this catagory
Johnson LA Lakers 12.0 (2) and I seriously doubt anything will
K.Johnson Phoenix 11.3 (3) happen during the rest of the season.
Bogues Charlotte 10.5 (4)
Grant LA Clippers 10.0 (5)
The 10 Rebounds Per Game Barrier:
--------------------------------
Olajuwon Houston 14.0 (1) <--- Looks like a lock.
Tarpley Dallas 13.1 (2) <--- An amazing last month 'could' win
Oakley New York 11.8 (3) <--- Looking like a slip to 5th soon.
Robinson San Antonio 11.8 (4) <--- Look out in years to come.
Barkley Philadelphia 11.4 (5) <--- Making a charge at 3rd place.
Malone Utah 10.8 (6)
Seikaly Miami 10.6 (7)
Ewing New York 10.5 (8)
Bowie New Jersey 10.2 (9)
Malone Atlanta 10.0 (-) <--- Was wondering where he was
Parish Boston 10.0 (10)
The 25 Points Per Game Barrier:
------------------------------
Jordan Chicago 33.2 (1) <--- Hovering at this point total
Malone Utah 31.0 (2) <--- Making a run, but not enough time.
Ewing New York 28.3 (3)
Chambers Phoenix 27.0 (4)
Wilkins Atlanta 25.9 (5)
Mullin Golden State 25.2 (6)
Miller Indiana 25.1 (7)
The .900 FT Barrier (minimum 100):
---------------------------------
Bird Boston .932 (1) <--- A one free throw lead
E.Johnson Phoenix .931 (2) <--- Shooting very well lately.
McHale Boston .920 (3) <--- Dropping slowly. Est. .903 by end
Davis Denver .918 (4)
Dumars Detroit .902 (5) <--- Starting to fade.
The .550 FG Barrier (minimum 150):
---------------------------------
West Phoenix .618 (1) <--- must be having a phonemonial month
Barkley Philadelphia .601 (2) <--- Broke the .600 barrier
Rodman Detroit .575 (5)
Parrish Boston .573 (3)
Leckner Utah .571 (-) <--- Newcomer to barrier, wants title
Malone Utah .569 (4)
Woolridge LA Lakers .561 (6)
Williams Portland .557 (7)
Pinckney Boston .555 (-)
McHale Boston .551 (-)
Brickowski fell through the barrier.
The Wizard
|
| 8.1032 | Could be very high!!! | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Wed Mar 21 1990 16:45 | 2 |
| Does anyone have Barkley's FG% stats without all those 3 pnt shots
he takes?????
|
| 8.1033 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | WON MAN ISS NO TOO BLAM! YUO AR!! | Wed Mar 21 1990 17:09 | 14 |
| With the 3 point play an integral part of everyone's game now, it would
probably make sense to use the stat that measured # of field goals attempted, to
total points earned, when comparing players
ie.
player A takes twenty shots, makes twelve = 24 FGP PTS
.600 24
player B takes twenty shots ten 2 pt makes 5 = 10
ten 3 pt makes 5 = 15 .500 25
____
25
Mike JN
|
| 8.1034 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Thu Mar 22 1990 00:34 | 8 |
| Just wanted to point out the superb play of Ledell Eackles over the past 2
games with Jeff Malone out. Last night he had 31 points, 5 rebounds, and 7
assists. Tonight he had over 40 points (haven't seen the box). You've got to
think the writing is on the wall for Malone and I'd expect to see him traded
right after the end of the season. Eackles is ready to step in. He's really
exciting to watch and elevates the game's level when he's in.
j.
|
| 8.1035 | Mr. 3-point | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | You find one in every car... | Thu Mar 22 1990 11:46 | 8 |
| Jeff,
I saw history Tues. Night - Caldwell Jones BANKED a 3-pointer at
the buzzer at the end of the first period. What a hoot. Ol' Caldwell
had a HUGE grin. After the game, Caldwell said the ref told him
he didn't want to count it as 3 cuz Caldwell didn't call the bank.
JD
|
| 8.1036 | | LEVERS::STROUT | the last day of our acquaintance... | Thu Mar 22 1990 14:52 | 9 |
| Tonight's games of interest:
Detroit at Houston (last game went to OT) 8:35
Portland at San Antonio 8:35
As usual, unless you live in the local area, whip out the
satellite dish.
sean
|
| 8.1037 | Go Spurs! | PNO::HEISER | save a tree, go CD | Thu Mar 22 1990 16:14 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1038 | go rockets! | LEVERS::STROUT | the last day of our acquaintance... | Thu Mar 22 1990 16:20 | 0 |
| 8.1039 | go home (and watch the game) | ACTING::MACGREGOR | | Thu Mar 22 1990 16:45 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1040 | Isn't Caldwell's grandson playing in the NBA now? | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Thu Mar 22 1990 19:52 | 0 |
| 8.1041 | Thank you, Texas | CUPTAY::TESSIER | UConn Huskies: the magic continues | Fri Mar 23 1990 09:24 | 2 |
| Pistons lost in Houston last night, 115-110, and the Blazers lost in
San Antonio, 108-107.
|
| 8.1042 | | LEVERS::STROUT | the last day of our acquaintance... | Fri Mar 23 1990 10:45 | 5 |
|
The Houston game was great, but as to be expected. Detroit
does not match up well against this team at all.
sean
|
| 8.1043 | | PNO::HEISER | save a tree, go CD | Fri Mar 23 1990 11:25 | 4 |
| > -< Thank you, Texas >-
Ditto! Now if Phoenix could only get healthy and shake this *Asterik*
Syndrome!
|
| 8.1044 | And the Longhorns mde it a Sweep! | CGVAX2::REEVE | | Fri Mar 23 1990 11:50 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1045 | Give me a break | PHILEM::SAPP | Heart and Soul...D-D-Dance!! | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:53 | 16 |
|
>> The Houston game was great, but as to be expected. Detroit
>> does not match up well against this team at all.
>> sean
Gee,no wonder why the Sprokets have the best record in the
league........
Hope this helps........
Silly me
O_J
|
| 8.1046 | see, I can do it too! wheeee! | LEVERS::STROUT | | Fri Mar 23 1990 14:06 | 4 |
| O_J, you're right, Houston does have the best record in the
league. silly you.
sean
|
| 8.1047 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Mar 23 1990 14:24 | 6 |
| Last night the Spurs ended a LONG losing streak to Portland. Robinson
had another big night.
Someone brought up Robinson as an MVP candidate. Apparently he is not
alone. Don Chaney is touting Robinson as an MVP. He compared him to
Russel but said that Robinson is more athletic.
|
| 8.1048 | | PNO::HEISER | save a tree, go CD | Fri Mar 23 1990 14:24 | 13 |
| Sean's right. Most of the NBA is a game of matchups. Some of the best
teams have one team out there that matches up really well against them,
regardless of their record.
Detroit & Houston is one example. Others are (off the top of my head):
Utah & Golden St. - Warriors give the Jazz fits
Denver & Charlotte - Aren't the Hornets undefeated against the Nuggets?
Chicago & Detroit - Pistons have Air Jordan's number
Celtics & Bullets - I have no idea why Boston struggles with Washington
Suns & Spurs - Spurs expose Phoenix's weak interior
I'm sure there is more.
|
| 8.1049 | GO ROCKETS ! | LUNER::BROOKS | Must be a Bird's-eye view ... | Fri Mar 23 1990 14:29 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1050 | | LEVERS::STROUT | | Fri Mar 23 1990 14:51 | 10 |
|
Good observation Mike.
As Ken pointed out, Houston has historically been a plague to
LA. Even this season they have given them a fairly hard time.
Detroit and Chicago is the classic one, as far as the past two
years go. I think Chicago's lack of having a real strong center
hurts them.
sean
|
| 8.1051 | | BAUCIS::SAPP | Heart and Soul...D-D-Dance!! | Fri Mar 23 1990 15:02 | 10 |
|
>> years go. I think Chicago's lack of having a real strong center
>> hurts them.
Sean,I think you mean Chicago's lack of anything besides Jordan hurts
them......8*
O_J
|
| 8.1052 | | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Fri Mar 23 1990 15:14 | 5 |
| Not only is Charlotte not undefeated against the Nuggets, they have a
losing (or at least tied) record.
...mike
|
| 8.1053 | | PNO::HEISER | | Fri Mar 23 1990 17:19 | 6 |
| Re: Nuggets - Charlotte
I'm talking this season. Hornets have beaten them twice that I know of
(how many times do they play each other?), including one in Denver.
Mike
|
| 8.1054 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Mon Mar 26 1990 13:11 | 3 |
|
I think Denver is ahead in their series 2-1 or 3-1 this year. I'm
almost positive Charlotte's only win was that debacle in Denver.
|
| 8.1055 | 2-1 at least | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | The grass is greener, but you still have to mow it! | Mon Mar 26 1990 13:36 | 5 |
| Hoot,
The Nuggets lost in Denver and in Charlotte last month or so.
Bret
|
| 8.1056 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Mar 26 1990 13:55 | 11 |
| The Knicks have gone into a tailspin. Has the loss of Oakley hurt that
much? The Knicks lost to Charlotte at MSG and then dropped another one
at home vs. the Celtics despite a 50 point performance from Ewing.
The Celts still haven't found that killer instinct. They were up by
30+ at one time against Atlanta and eked out the W. Atlanta still had
a chance to at least tie the game at the end, but inexplicably refused
to commit a foul in the final seconds. Why have the Hawks fallen so
far so fast? They have very talented players, have been at or near the
top of their divsion over the last few years, and this year may not
even make the playoffs.
|
| 8.1057 | | PNO::HEISER | my other computer is a Cray | Mon Mar 26 1990 14:20 | 7 |
| > to commit a foul in the final seconds. Why have the Hawks fallen so
> far so fast? They have very talented players, have been at or near the
> top of their divsion over the last few years, and this year may not
> even make the playoffs.
Too many gunners and only 1 ball.
|
| 8.1058 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Big Ten bounced by ACC | Mon Mar 26 1990 14:57 | 7 |
|
Mac, they absolute hate Fratello from what I understand. He will be
history at the end of the year. Treats them like little kids according
to them. For all that talent, one can I guess say they play like it
too.......
mike
|
| 8.1059 | There goes another brick.. | QUASER::MCALPINE | I'LL B SURE | Mon Mar 26 1990 20:03 | 6 |
| IMHO the problem rest with one player, Dominique Wilkins!
Yeah the human highlight hasnt seen a shot he doesnt like
yet. In the early years I admired his athleticism but now
I just say " what a waste of talent."
Mike
|
| 8.1060 | Average shots per game and per minute. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Tue Mar 27 1990 02:08 | 50 |
| Sorry, these stats are a bit dated. But I'll put them in here anyway. The top
players in average field goals attempted per game followed by the top players
in average field goals attempted per minute (over 1500 minutes played). These
really show that Wilkins isn't the pig you portray him as. He's also shooting
47%, which isn't too bad. His numbers aren't much different than those of
primary options.
j.
Player TM SPG SPM G MIN FG FGA
JORDAN CHI 23.79 .613 57 2213 697 1356
WILKINS ATL 21.28 .587 57 2067 566 1213
MALONE WAS 21.24 .612 55 1910 568 1168
EWING NYK 20.32 .527 57 2196 622 1158
BIRD BOS 20.02 .524 53 2024 493 1061
CHAMBERS PHO 19.75 .531 56 2082 546 1106
CAMPBELL MIN 19.42 .516 57 2147 514 1107
ELLIS SEA 19.31 .505 32 1223 289 618
MALONE UTA 19.30 .514 57 2142 637 1100
CUMMINGS SAS 19.25 .543 57 2019 522 1097
OLAJUWON HOU 19.28 .513 57 2143 549 1099
DREXLER POR 18.54 .501 48 1777 439 890
MCDANIEL SEA 18.28 .500 50 1828 471 914
HARPER LAC 18.20 .466 35 1367 301 637
Sorted per minute:
Player TM SPG SPM G MIN FG FGA
JORDAN CHI 23.79 .613 57 2213 697 1356
MORRIS NJN 12.79 .416 57 1751 295 729
HAWKINS PHI 13.79 .402 58 1991 362 800
HORNACEK PHO 13.69 .397 55 1899 407 753
SMITS IND 11.19 .394 59 1677 342 660
MCKEY SEA 12.39 .350 57 2020 362 706
MCCRAY SAC 13.39 .334 57 2284 382 763
MAJERLE PHO 9.89 .319 56 1739 232 554
LAIMBEER DET 9.59 .295 59 1920 280 566
GREEN LAL 10.09 .292 56 1935 268 565
BOGUES CHA 7.49 .224 55 1841 197 412
RODMAN DET 6.19 .220 59 1658 209 365
DONALDSON DAL 7.29 .225 51 1651 191 372
ACRES ORL 3.59 .166 58 1251 96 208 (Ok, I left him in for kicks)
WILKINS ATL 21.28 .587 57 2067 566 1213
ENGLISH DEN 16.48 .585 56 1577 447 923
OLAJUWON HOU 19.28 .513 57 2143 549 1099
MCDANIEL SEA 18.28 .500 50 1828 471 914
RICE MIA 13.58 .465 55 1605 325 747
HOPSON NJN 14.28 .422 54 1827 326 771
LEWIS BOS 12.98 .427 55 1673 343 714
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| 8.1061 | DOMANEEK WILKENS SWETS TWO MUCH MUST BE ON COCANE :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Mar 27 1990 10:47 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1062 | KNOW HEEZ NOT, HEEZ ON BARBITCHYOUATES! | GENRAL::WADE | Is it the shoes! | Tue Mar 27 1990 12:01 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1063 | 47% ???? | QUASER::MCALPINE | I'LL B SURE | Tue Mar 27 1990 12:15 | 11 |
| REF.1060
In Dominique case its not so much his shooting percentage but
when he shoots. I've seen games where he is playing relatively
well, then blow it in crunch time with a turn around 360 off
the glass that has absolutely no chance.
Another scenario, 1 on 2, 1 on 3, etc....
The upper echelon players like Magic,Mj,Bird will at least look
for teamates, such is not the case for Dominique!
Michael..
|
| 8.1064 | Hallugeons, Claywad, hallugeons! :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Mar 27 1990 12:19 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1065 | Doesn't take a genius to figure this one out. | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Tue Mar 27 1990 12:49 | 22 |
| Funny thing about Wilkins. The Hawks have been truly horrid this year.
No team concept. Selfish players. Last in league in assists. Don't
play "D", etc.
Invariably the nightly news goes something like this:
"The Hawks played horribly again, losing 123-109 to the (name just
about any NBA team). But Dominque Wilkins once again lit up the
scoreboard for 33 points (insert cut to highlight film showing Dominque
making some kind of runner)."
This of course misses the whole point, but whadaya want from the press
that doesn't really care about game analysis but rather supporting the
franchise. Dominique shoots to much, never passes, and doesn't play
defense. He's not the only one of course (they all do, sept for Kenny
Smith of course ;^) ) but he *is* the team leader. IMHO his selfish
game sets the tone for the entire team. But they'll never get rid of
him cause he's a Dawg, by God.
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.1066 | Houston over SA, DR Player of Week | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Mar 27 1990 12:57 | 8 |
| Houston thumped the Spurs last night. Judging from the writeup, this
game was never close. The Rocket players are saying they are treating
every game from here on out as if it was the last one of the season.
They may be peaking at just the right time going into the playoffs.
Interesting tidbit - the Rockets were 40-42 the year they went into the
NBA finals.
David Robinson was named the NBA's player of the week for last week.
|
| 8.1067 | Akeem = MVP! | LEVERS::STROUT | | Tue Mar 27 1990 13:19 | 7 |
| Akeem continues to sizzle (somewhere in the upwards of 27 points
and 18 rebs). Thorpe had a great game also. This team can go far
if they put their minds to it. All they need is more consistent
play from the backcourt. They're only 2-3 games out of 8th place
in the West. Hopefully they can take over Seattle.
sean
|
| 8.1068 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Mar 27 1990 13:33 | 4 |
| 8.1069 | | PNO::HEISER | my other computer is a Cray | Tue Mar 27 1990 13:33 | 15 |
| > Interesting tidbit - the Rockets were 40-42 the year they went into the
> NBA finals.
There were a lot of upsets that year ('81). That's the year Magic went
down hurt and Phoenix won the Pacific division. Houston upset the
Lakers in the first round (remember the old miniseries), Kansas City
with Cotton Fitzsimmons & Reggie King upset Phoenix in 7. Houston &
Moses knocked off Kansas City.
Meanwhile, Boston and Philadelphia played their own version of the
Championship in the Eastern Conf. finals. What a 7 game series that
was! Philly had double digit leads in all 4 Boston wins and still lost
it!
Mike
|
| 8.1070 | Sixers-Celtics Rivalry Was *THE* Best | SHALOT::HUNT | A single ping please, Vasily. | Tue Mar 27 1990 13:44 | 21 |
| 8.1071 | | PNO::HEISER | my other computer is a Cray | Tue Mar 27 1990 13:47 | 14 |
| > And, then the next year, 1982, the Sixers again took a 3 games to
> 1 lead over the Celtics, but lost Games 5 *and* 6 to send the
> series back to Boston for Game 7. *NOBODY* in Philly gave the
> Sixers a prayer in that game. Everyone wrote 'em off as just
> another 1981 el-foldo.
I think things might've been different if Tiny didn't get hurt. Ainge
was thrusted into the fire and didn't measure up. I remember Boston
fans wanted him back in Toronto after that ;-)
You're right though. Boston & Philly was the best rivalry! I'd like
to see it resurrected!
Mike
|
| 8.1072 | Being a NYer in the early '70s was fun! | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Mar 27 1990 13:54 | 4 |
| 8.1073 | how the top 3 centers are looking | LEVERS::STROUT | | Tue Mar 27 1990 14:28 | 40 |
| Player G Min FGM/A FG% FTM/A FT% ORB REB AST STL
======================================================================
Olajuwon 68 2594 656-1316 .498 315-447 .705 248 951 185 143
TO BLK PF PTS
==============================
Olajuwon 258 310 262 1628
38.1 Minutes per game
23.9 Points per game
14.0 Rebounds per game (10.3 Defensive)
4.6 Blocks per game
Player G Min FGM/A FG% FTM/A FT% ORB REB AST STL
======================================================================
Ewing 67 2576 754-1374 .549 415-533 .779 191 711 151 57
TO BLK PF PTS
==============================
Ewing 230 272 262 1923
38.4 Minutes per game
28.7 Points per game
10.6 Rebounds per game (7.8 Defensive)
4.1 Blocks per game
Player G Min FGM/A FG% FTM/A FT% ORB REB AST STL
======================================================================
Robinson 67 2449 551-1042 .529 514-692 .743 243 794 139 106
TO BLK PF PTS
==============================
Robinson 219 256 216 1616
36.6 Minutes per game
24.1 Point per game
11.9 Rebounds per game
3.8 Blocks per game
sean
|
| 8.1074 | | FRSBEE::BROOKS | LMU, ya did it w/class ! | Tue Mar 27 1990 14:46 | 13 |
| Yeah, Hawk, dem were the days : West-Monroe, Goodrich vs Frazier,
and of course Reed vs Chamberlain ....
Speaking of spankings, how about 1972, eh Hawk ???
:-)
The main thing holding back a revival of the classic Sixer-Celtic
wars is the Celtics inability to play consistantly. Now, it's kinda
boring ... :-(
It's a shame too, because between McHale, Barkley, and myself, we
ought to talk enough trash to fill the Grand Canyon ... :-)
|
| 8.1075 | Left yourself WIDE OPEN ;^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | Larry Bird, Player of the Month | Tue Mar 27 1990 15:03 | 6 |
|
Give yourself credit Dock, you don't need any help....
;^)
mike
|
| 8.1076 | | LEVERS::STROUT | | Tue Mar 27 1990 15:07 | 7 |
| > < Note 8.1075 by CNTROL::CHILDS "Larry Bird, Player of the Month" >
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why's that? Because he's finally playing to his ability that
everyone has expected for so long, now? 8^)
sean
|
| 8.1077 | Just helping Dock keep his cover | CNTROL::CHILDS | Larry Bird, Player of the Month | Tue Mar 27 1990 15:17 | 4 |
|
no because I'm the figure head Sergent at Arms of the Bird Jihad...
;^)
|
| 8.1078 | | PNO::HEISER | VAX MIDI anyone? | Tue Mar 27 1990 15:47 | 12 |
| > The main thing holding back a revival of the classic Sixer-Celtic
> wars is the Celtics inability to play consistantly. Now, it's kinda
> boring ... :-(
...and I suppose the Sixers are consistent?
> It's a shame too, because between McHale, Barkley, and myself, we
> ought to talk enough trash to fill the Grand Canyon ... :-)
No Doc, I've been there. It isn't BIG ENOUGH!
|
| 8.1079 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Tue Mar 27 1990 16:04 | 8 |
|
What's green and plays for the Sixers?
Charles Broccoli.
HA HA HA (THUMP)
|
| 8.1080 | | LEVERS::STROUT | | Tue Mar 27 1990 16:49 | 11 |
|
Tonight's lame excuses for games: 8^)
New York at Washington, 7:30
Boston at Indiana, 7:30
Phoenix at Milwaukee, 8:30
Golden State at Dallas, 8:30
Seattle at San Antonio, 8:30
LA Lakers at Portland, 10:30
sean
|
| 8.1081 | | FRSBEE::BROOKS | Not George Bush, dummy ..BROOKS ! | Tue Mar 27 1990 17:23 | 6 |
| re .1078
Mike, don't be modest. Rumor has it that you live in the GC in a
lean-to, hunting old, toothless, coyotes and desert vermin for food,
and squeezing catus for water, all the while listening to Puns games
on your crystal raido, yearning for Westphal and Neal Walk ....
|
| 8.1082 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Tue Mar 27 1990 18:05 | 4 |
| MikeH, Ainge was not on that Celtic team. He didn't sign with
the Celtics until 1983.
/Don
|
| 8.1083 | | PNO::HEISER | VAX MIDI anyone? | Tue Mar 27 1990 18:49 | 7 |
| > Boston at Indiana, 7:30
> LA Lakers at Portland, 10:30
Sean, these two aren't Lame Games(tm)! The second one should be a
killer!
Mike
|
| 8.1084 | | PNO::HEISER | VAX MIDI anyone? | Tue Mar 27 1990 18:52 | 11 |
| > Mike, don't be modest. Rumor has it that you live in the GC in a
> lean-to, hunting old, toothless, coyotes and desert vermin for food,
> and squeezing catus for water, all the while listening to Puns games
> on your crystal raido, yearning for Westphal and Neal Walk ....
Doctah, you know how rumors go...
Do a global substitution of coyotes with javelina.
BTW-I don't yearn for anyone, and even if I did, Westy is the assistant
coach on the Suns. Who's Neal Walk?
|
| 8.1085 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Wed Mar 28 1990 11:13 | 11 |
|
Heard on the Tube this morning that Magic sprained his ankle last
night. CNN showed him being helped off the court and they said he didn't return.
Anybody hear how serious it is???
With Dumars and Magic both out, I can see a serious '*' shortage
developing!!!! :-)
JimH
|
| 8.1086 | | ACTING::MACGREGOR | | Wed Mar 28 1990 11:36 | 85 |
| 8.1087 | Did Magic score a perfect 10 again with an injury dance? :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Wed Mar 28 1990 12:26 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1088 | | LEVERS::STROUT | | Wed Mar 28 1990 12:54 | 3 |
| Houston's now one game out of 8th place...
sean
|
| 8.1089 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Wed Mar 28 1990 12:58 | 2 |
| ...and the Sppurs clinched a playoff spot (I think they even moved
ahead of Phoenix last night).
|
| 8.1090 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Wed Mar 28 1990 13:21 | 21 |
|
No dance, just laying on the floor, wincing in pain.
Nuggets:
The Nuggets are on an eastern road swing. In true Nuggets fashion they
will probably lose three and win one they should lose. They lost to the
lowly Hawks the other night and are at the Bullets tonight before going
on to meet the Knicks and 76ers. They should go 3-1 against those 4 but
after losing to Atlanta don't be surprised to see them lose tonight to
a poor team, Washington, and them beat either Philly or NY.
I wouldn't mind seeing the Nuggets miss the playoffs and get a top
draft pick. Doug Moe gets the most out of his players but they need an
impact player if they are ever going to move up from the upper-middle
of the pack. They are just good enough to win about 50 games a year and
lose in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs.
HOOT
|
| 8.1091 | | PNO::HEISER | hanging 10 with E.T. | Wed Mar 28 1990 14:26 | 4 |
| The Spurs should be flogged in they don't own the 4th seed by now.
Phoenix has been having a terrible week.
Mike
|
| 8.1092 | And tomorrow he goes for the rebound title! | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Thu Mar 29 1990 02:52 | 11 |
| The 25 Points Per Game Barrier:
------------------------------
Jordan Chicago 33.2 (1) <--- Point title is his.
It is now! Check out this line from tonight's game!
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
JORDAN G 50 23-37 21-23 7 11 18 6 5 4 2 69
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| 8.1093 | | FAIRWY::KINGR | FUR...the look that KILLS... | Thu Mar 29 1990 08:51 | 3 |
| Re: last .... WOW 93 totals DECHOOPS points....
REK
|
| 8.1094 | | CAM::WAY | Be excellent to each other | Thu Mar 29 1990 09:56 | 15 |
| 8.1095 | | 7983::RIEU | In search of...Mr Trout! | Thu Mar 29 1990 10:13 | 3 |
| He had 61 after regulation. Wasn't there a prediction by a certain
Cavs fan about the 'one-man team' going down in flames last night?
Denny
|
| 8.1096 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Thu Mar 29 1990 10:54 | 3 |
| Going down in flames? Denny, maybe he meant the Miami Heat?
/Don
|
| 8.1097 | | LEVERS::STROUT | | Thu Mar 29 1990 11:13 | 3 |
| It was a great game. Even sweeter to watch after Cavs fans
kept rubbing their "we're back and ready to cakewalk to the conference
finals" lines in our faces.
|
| 8.1098 | Well, how about the eighth seed, then. | SNDCSL::HAUSRATH | Who,Stones in '89. Zep in '90 | Thu Mar 29 1990 11:28 | 19 |
|
Couple comments on last nights game..
Unless Chicago can find some other offensive theat, they won't get as
far this year as they did last year in the playoffs. There is no way
Jordan can do that every night, and baring his performance the Bulls
would have been beaten badly last night. Noone else on the team was even
remotely impressive.
Ehlo, Nance, and Daugherty all had pretty tough nights. Hot Rod was
very impressive again.. he really should be considered for the 6th man
award this year.
I really question Lenny Wilkens ability to coach... can't he find a
way (legal or illegal) to stop this guy. Other teams have been able to
shut him down (yeah, like only allow him 30 points), but not Cleveland.
Every time we play Chicago, Jordan is a one man recking crew.
/Jeff
|
| 8.1099 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Is that Wilt DISGUISED as Jordan?? | Thu Mar 29 1990 12:05 | 17 |
| How far off base is it to believe that Milwaukee can capture
the 5th position from NY by the end of the season? They are only
3 games out of 5th right now, I believe, and with the way NY is
playing who knows.
1. Detroit
2. Philadelphia
3. Chicago
4. Boston
5. Milwaukee
6. New York
7. Indiana
8. Atlanta/Cleveland
That would create some interesting first round match ups.
sean
|
| 8.1100 | Sixers bomb Celts, Jordan humbles Cads - A great night | EARRTH::BROOKS | No, idiot ! Not Bush ...BROOKS ! | Thu Mar 29 1990 12:14 | 35 |
| Well, well gang, I expect we won't have to worry about waterWOMAN
or LiteLocks bugging us again will we ?
HAHAHAHAHAHA !
**69** points and 18 boards for Jordan.
And Cleveland hasn't found an answer for him in three years.....
Cads fans, do you *really* want to face Chicago in the first round
(or any round, for that matter) ???
Heh heh heh
====================
Ah yes, how about that demolision job that Barkey and Co. did on
Boston ?
Did anybody see Sir Charles' pre-game talk on ESPN ?
Question : What about Boston's chances ?
Charles : "I'm tired of hearing about Boston, about New York, we
have a good team too. They're chasing us .... people ask me about
Boston - F--K Boston ! They had better worry about us ...."
I tell you, I'd like to have died !
Oh yeah, Barkley had 22pts, 10 boards, and 8 assists, and of course
Philly won in a blowout.
tee hee hee ....
DrM
|
| 8.1101 | ;^) it's always fixed when they loose | CNTROL::CHILDS | ABTL=ABTP these days | Thu Mar 29 1990 12:19 | 7 |
|
Cmon Dock, even with your anti-green glasses on it was easy to see
this game was fixed. It was the setup for the clocking the bookies
are going to take on john q. public when they give Pistons 6 on
friday and beat them by 11............
mike
|
| 8.1102 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Mar 29 1990 12:55 | 12 |
| What is wrong with the Knicks? How could they lose to the Nets?
Kareem was on Good Morning America plugging his book this morning.
Apparently the book contains a pretty scathing open letter to Wilt
Chamberlain. Kareem said that Wilt is jealous of Jabbar's success
with the Lakers. When Kareem was asked if the Celtics always get the
calls at home, he said that everyone gets their share of calls. The
Celtics just have a good basketball team. It's the Celts that win the
games, not the refs.
Celts have a rematch opportunity against the 'Sixers coming up in the
Garden, don't they?
|
| 8.1103 | | RAB::NORI | | Thu Mar 29 1990 13:19 | 7 |
| re: .1102
Celts are done with the Sixers in Garden. All the games in the garden
were very close. Celts have to play the Sixers one more time in Philly.
-- Ram Nori
|
| 8.1104 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Thu Mar 29 1990 13:25 | 10 |
| BigMac, when I watched the Knicks and Celtics last Saturday
night the entire Knick offense consisted of getting Ewing the ball
then standing around with hands on hips watching him work. When
Patrick was double teamed and threw the cutter a pass in the lane,
usually Mark Jackson, they would blow the layup. The team looks
totally confused. When the Boston guards can beat their press it
ain't much. I guess Dan will say Kareen was drugged for the interview.
8^)
/Don
|
| 8.1105 | | 7983::RIEU | In search of...Mr Trout! | Thu Mar 29 1990 14:02 | 4 |
| Kareem will be at the Hahvud Coop bookstore tomorrow from 2-3 to sign
his book. I'm sure if Dock shows up he'll sign his green jacket for
him too!
Denny
|
| 8.1106 | 69 points = 1 man team | UPWARD::HEISER | Red Sea Beach Club | Thu Mar 29 1990 14:03 | 3 |
| Cleveland would've had a chance if Jordan didn't play.
Mike
|
| 8.1107 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Is that Wilt DISGUISED as Jordan?? | Thu Mar 29 1990 14:34 | 14 |
| Time to get in another argument, I guess (haven't been in one
on about a weak!).
I really don't think that Chicago is as much a one man team
as some people are led to believe. Hodges is injured and Pippen,
Grant, Paxson and Cartwright make up a good supporting cast for
Jordan.
Jordan is the team leader, but I don't think that nearly 100%
of the teams success can be contributed to him. (ok, maybe 99%
8^)
The have a pretty good starting 5. No way are they solely a
one man team.
sean
|
| 8.1108 | Morris, Mookie, Hinson, Bowie: Hazy future | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Our chief weapon is fear and surprise. | Thu Mar 29 1990 14:54 | 13 |
| > What is wrong with the Knicks? How could they lose to the Nets?
Because the Nets are so impressive? Talented? Finely-tuned? Macho?
Watch a lot of /Don video highlights?
Because Bill Fitch got kicked out a minute into the game? Because
Chris Morris played the way he can?
Because it's a good rivalry, and the Nets always give the Knicks fits, even
when they're playing well. The difference is that often the Nets jump out to
big leads, and then the Knicks whittle it away and usually win.
Dan
|
| 8.1109 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | iceMAN | Thu Mar 29 1990 15:21 | 4 |
|
Now George (aka Nurse Brooks) is a Bulls fans... lets see... we've
got the Lakers, the Rockets, the Sixers, the Bulls, the ... does
that leave any NBA teams he's not a fan (bandwagon jumper) of?
|
| 8.1110 | | 7983::RIEU | In search of...Mr Trout! | Thu Mar 29 1990 15:23 | 2 |
| You forgot the Celtics Groaner. Bruce May has da prufe!
Denny
|
| 8.1111 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Is that Wilt DISGUISED as Jordan?? | Thu Mar 29 1990 15:26 | 4 |
| What about Portland???? I think they have a GREAT team this
year!!!! Best starting 5, IMO!
sean
|
| 8.1112 | Still don't think he'll beat Chamberlain, though | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Thu Mar 29 1990 15:27 | 3 |
| Jordan's 69 points was his career high. It is the most points scored
by a single player in 10 years. I believe he is 4th on the all time
single game points list now.
|
| 8.1113 | | OURGNG::J_WARDLE | Better get a T-O Baby!!! | Thu Mar 29 1990 15:28 | 5 |
| It's the ninth highest single player single game total.
Wilt has the first 5.
JoJ
|
| 8.1114 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | No, idiot ! Not Bush ...BROOKS ! | Thu Mar 29 1990 15:28 | 24 |
| Translation of 1109 :
The Cads sip, Jordan is deity, and I, Paul "The Small" Gronowski
humbly apologize for my rash and stupid comments concerning the
cavdavers and Jordan.
It is obvious that the Cads are not a playoff quality club, and
while it would probably serve justice's cause for me to be hung
from the ceiling of Spectrum by my heels, and have the dogs--t beat
out of me, I ask SPORTS for clememcy.
See, I'm eating my humble crow pie - mmmmmm ..... it's sooooo good,
thank yeew .....
======================
Paul, we appreciate your contriness, now don't let thsi happen again
ever, you got it ???
Just read between the lines ....
|
| 8.1115 | | UPWARD::HEISER | Red Sea Beach Club | Thu Mar 29 1990 16:15 | 2 |
| Jordan only drained 69 because Chambers and Malone hit for 60 recently.
Battle of "one-up-man-ship" in the NBA.
|
| 8.1116 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Is that Wilt DISGUISED as Jordan?? | Thu Mar 29 1990 16:18 | 9 |
| I doubt Jordan was aware of how much he scored. You easily
lose count on things like that and since it was a tight game going
down the stretch I'm sure they had more important things to worry
about than whether Jordan would beat his previous high.
He was INCREDIBLY hot in the first half. Remember that he
*averages* 32 shots per game. He only took 5 more attempts than
his average. He was on a hot streak.
sean
|
| 8.1117 | | CAM::WAY | Be excellent to each other | Thu Mar 29 1990 16:21 | 3 |
| 69? Hot??
Where do I sign up?
|
| 8.1118 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Is that Wilt DISGUISED as Jordan?? | Thu Mar 29 1990 16:25 | 4 |
| Jordan can score 100.... When does Chicago play Cleveland again
anyways?
8^)
|
| 8.1119 | | CAM::WAY | Be excellent to each other | Thu Mar 29 1990 16:36 | 7 |
| 8.1120 | In the excitement, I lose track | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Surprise, feat and a ruthless efficiency | Thu Mar 29 1990 16:37 | 7 |
| > I doubt Jordan was aware of how much he scored. You easily
>lose count on things like that...
I know I do. Last time I passed 50 points, I coulda sworn I only had
about 45 or so.
Dan
|
| 8.1121 | | ACTING::MACGREGOR | | Thu Mar 29 1990 16:38 | 5 |
| Question for those people holding stats. Has any team scored fewer
than 69 points in a game this season. If so then Jordan is truly
"The one man team"
The Wizard
|
| 8.1122 | One of my performances is in the Beer HoF though! | CAM::WAY | Be excellent to each other | Thu Mar 29 1990 16:39 | 9 |
| It must be really similar to drinking beer.
Lasted time I was drinking I kept track for a while, then it got
harder and harder, and nexted thing you know I completely forgot
how many I had...
I guess all us "Greats" are like that....
Chainsaw
|
| 8.1123 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Thu Mar 29 1990 16:40 | 3 |
| Dan, I think he's talking about one game, not an entire season.
/Don
|
| 8.1124 | | GENRAL::WADE | Is it the shoes! | Thu Mar 29 1990 16:40 | 3 |
| Yeah, but Dan baskets count as two not five...:^)
Claybone
|
| 8.1125 | is that Steve Martin disguised as /Don??? 8^) | LEVERS::STROUT | Is that Wilt DISGUISED as Jordan?? | Thu Mar 29 1990 16:42 | 6 |
|
re: /Don
HAHHHAHAHHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111 (tm)
sean
|
| 8.1126 | Jordan averages 23 shots per game, not 32. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Thu Mar 29 1990 16:59 | 0 |
| 8.1127 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Is that Wilt DISGUISED as Jordan?? | Thu Mar 29 1990 17:07 | 6 |
| > -< Jordan averages 23 shots per game, not 32. >-
The what was DC talking 'bout???
sean
|
| 8.1128 | | CAM::WAY | Be excellent to each other | Thu Mar 29 1990 17:07 | 9 |
| 8.1129 | | SASE::SZABO | | Thu Mar 29 1990 17:13 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1130 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Is that Wilt DISGUISED as Jordan?? | Thu Mar 29 1990 17:22 | 11 |
|
Tonight's schedule of games:
Phoenix at Charlotte, 7:30
Sacramento at Indiana, 7:30
Dallas at San Antonio, 8:30
Milwaukee at Houston, 8:30
Atlanta at Portland, 10:30
Utah at Golden St., 10:30
sean
|
| 8.1131 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Thu Mar 29 1990 17:50 | 10 |
|
Boy did the Nuggets sip discretely last night! After losing to the
lowly Hawks the other night they got spanked by the even lowly-er
Bullets. I didn't see all of it, the Bullets were simply terrible and
still won. How bad was it? In the 2nd qtr. Denver hit a whopping 3 of
31 FG! The Bullets are so lousy that they couldn't walk away with it
even with Denver shooting less than 10%. Sad, real sad.
HOOT
|
| 8.1133 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Fri Mar 30 1990 09:29 | 53 |
| Akeem did it last night. He got the quadruple double. Again he had 10 assists
(and it was a home game ;^)) to go with only 18 points, 16 rebounds, and 11
blocked shots. In the same game, Tito Horford narrowly missed a quadruple
double, as he had 11 minutes and missed by 9 turnovers, 10 points, and 10
rebounds ;^).
j.
HOUSTON 120, MILWAUKEE 94
-------------------------
Akeem Olajuwon recorded only the third quadruple-double in
N-B-A history, racking up 18 points, 16 rebounds, 10 assists
and 11 blocked shots in Houston's 120-94 win over the Milwaukee
Bucks. Alvin Robertson and Nate Thurmond were the only other
players to perform the feat. Otis Thorpe scored 21 points to
lead the Rockets to their 27th win in 36 home games. The Bucks
were led by Robertson, who scored 18 points and passed out eight
assists. Greg Anderson grabbed 13 rebounds for the Bucks.
MILWAUKEE (94) AT HOUSTON (120)
HOUSTON
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
JOHNSON F 37 7-17 5-6 1 5 6 2 2 1 2 19
THORPE F 32 9-13 3-5 1 6 7 7 2 0 2 21
OLAJUWON C 40 6-14 6-8 6 10 16 10 4 1 5 18
FLOYD G 27 4-7 0-0 0 4 4 6 1 1 2 11
WIGGINS G 29 6-11 2-2 0 1 1 2 4 2 0 14
SMITH 17 3-3 0-0 3 4 7 3 1 1 1 6
MAXWELL 21 3-5 1-2 2 1 3 1 3 2 2 8
WOODSON 19 1-5 2-2 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 4
LLOYD 8 6-8 0-0 1 2 3 2 0 1 0 12
MCCORMICK 4 1-4 0-0 1 3 4 0 1 0 0 2
CALDWELL 3 1-1 0-0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 2
BOWIE 3 1-4 0-0 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 3
TOTALS 240 48-92 19-25 16 37 53 34 19 10 14 120
(.522) (.760) TEAM REBS: 7
MILWAUKEE 21 24 27 22 - 94
HOUSTON 37 26 27 30 - 120
BLOCKED SHOTS: MIL - HORFORD 2, HUMPHRIES, ANDERSON,
LOHAUS. HOU - OLAJUWON 11, JOHNSON 2.
3-PT. FIELD GOALS: MIL 0-5 (.000), LOHAUS 0-3,
HUMPHRIES 0-2. HOU 5-12 (.417), FLOYD 3-5, MAXWELL 1-2, WOODSON 0-2,
BOWIE 1-3.
OFFICIALS: OAKES, VADEN, JONES.
A - 15,088.
|
| 8.1134 | It won't get turned over by the league again, will it J? | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Fri Mar 30 1990 10:50 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1135 | Akeem = power house | LEVERS::STROUT | Is that Wilt DISGUISED as Jordan?? | Fri Mar 30 1990 11:21 | 8 |
| YES AKEEM!!!!!!!! It was a great game! What a great week in
sports, Jordan gets 69 and the next day Akeem reclaims the stolen
quadruple double from the past month.
No doubt now who *deserves* the MVP. It's gotta be Olajuwon.
His second half of the season ball playing has been nothing short
of extraordinary!!!
sean
|
| 8.1136 | Steinbrenner of the South | SHALOT::MEDVID | he buys love to sell tomorrow | Fri Mar 30 1990 11:31 | 63 |
|
Some background first:
- January, 1990, Hornets owner George Shinn states coach Dick
Harter's job was secure. January 31, Shinn fires Harter
by phone on the day Harter's brother dies.
- 1989, Shinn and orginal partner Cy Bahakel go to court. Bahakel
now suing Shinn over Shinn's efforts to become the sole Hornets
owner.
- 1989, Shinn splits with Charlotte sports consultant Max Muhleman
who insiders say deserves most of the credit for landing the
NBA franchise.
- Earlier this week, Shinn says he'll move the Hornets to South
Carolina unless the city gives him a bigger cut in parking
and consession money at the Charlotte Colesium.
Charlotte Observer - March 30, 1990
Man In Section 107 Waited...And Boos Finally Came
=================================================
George Shinn almost made it.
With one minute and 32 seconds left in the Charlotte Hornets' 56th loss
of the season Thursday night, fans finally let loose.
"Boooooo," they yelled in chorus as Shinn walked on the court to check
on injured Hornets player Brian Rowsom. Shinn didn't flinch.
He might have if he had heard what some people were saying in the
stands--two days after Shinn threatened to move his second-year NBA
team to South Carolina.
"George Shinn is a 100% George Steinbrenner manager and owner," said
Gref Riffe...comparing Shinn to the infamous owner of the New York
Yankees known as the "Boss."
"We'd like for the fans to show him who really owns the team."
"I think a lot of people are just finding out what George Shinn is
really like," said Riffe's buddy...
.
.
.
Shinn told a reporter that moving the team is an option, but the
Hornets won't go.
.
.
.
"That sign under that skybox sums it all up," he said pointing to a
purple and yellow banner that blared: "THIS is hour home forever."
|
| 8.1137 | should be SH*TT | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri Mar 30 1990 11:47 | 14 |
| Last night in the stands, the crowd was really waiting for an opportunity
to Boo Shinn. Add to Dan'l's list of non-accomplishments for Shinn losing
Carl Scheer last wee. Scheer did not have a contract. Denver offered him
one and Shinn made no attempt to sign him. And, Gene Littles, acting
coach, does not have a contact, either. Littles and Scheer represent the
sum total of the basketball knowledge within the Hornets.
Shinn's problems lie in 2 distinct area. First, he's trying to run the
Hornets like a business. He thinks players are commodities and that it
makes good sense to buy last years model at a discount, just like cars.
Second, he's trying to run the Hornets like a busines. And as a
businessman, Shinn has a trail of shady deals with shady partners.
TTom
|
| 8.1138 | Even the bug couln't take the Shinnhead. | SHALOT::MEDVID | he buys love to sell tomorrow | Fri Mar 30 1990 12:07 | 10 |
| Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot about losing Scheer. But the Hornets
lost even more a few weeks ago.
Hugo the Hornet (or the guy inside the costume) resigned for "personal
reasons." What a laugh. In today's Charlotte Observer sports column,
the writer says the old Hugo was a 5-5 guy that danced like a Rockette;
the new Hugo is a 6-5 guy that dances like a 6-5 guy in an insect
costume.
--dan'l
|
| 8.1139 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Mar 30 1990 12:44 | 2 |
| The Spurs blew a 16 point 1st quarter lead and lost to the Mavericks
last night at home.
|
| 8.1140 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | New Sears=Old K-Mart | Sat Mar 31 1990 16:25 | 10 |
|
The Sixers blew out the Nuggets last night and clinched a playoff spot.
They also retained their 3 game lead over the Celtics, and increased the
margin over the Knicks to 5 games.
Charles Barkley had 38 points in about 29 minutes. He only missed
two shots from the field. Definite MVP material.
Dennis
|
| 8.1141 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Mon Apr 02 1990 01:02 | 19 |
| Path: shlump.nac.dec.com!decwrl!looking!clarinews
From: clarinews@clarinet.com
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Pat Riley fired
Keywords: basketball, men's professional
Date: 1 Apr 90 05:46:55 GMT
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Inglewood, Calif. (UPI) -- Immediately following the Lakers defeat of
the Phoenix Suns it was announced that Pat Riley had been relieved of his
coaching duties. There are no details available, although there is some
speculation that a racial incident in an LA bar led to the firing.
Assistant coach Bill Bertka has been named interim coach.
|
| 8.1142 | | 7983::RIEU | In search of...Mr Trout! | Mon Apr 02 1990 09:07 | 2 |
| April Fool!!?
Denny
|
| 8.1143 | | SNDCSL::HAUSRATH | Who,Stones in '89. Zep in '90 | Mon Apr 02 1990 09:35 | 5 |
|
> April Fool!!?
yeah, but not for Brent, eh?
|
| 8.1144 | | 7983::RIEU | In search of...Mr Trout! | Mon Apr 02 1990 09:53 | 3 |
| I hear Brent and Jimmy 'The Geek' are opening a day care service on
Long Island.
Denny
|
| 8.1145 | Celtics-Pistons | KBOV00::ARMSTRONG | Artifishal Entelgenz | Mon Apr 02 1990 10:59 | 5 |
| How did the Celtics fair against the Pistons?
Thanks in advance!
Dave!
|
| 8.1146 | | LEVERS::STROUT | still flying in a blue dream! | Mon Apr 02 1990 11:23 | 5 |
|
C's whipped em, 123-111 or something around that type of score...
Only got to see the Lakes-Blazes game that night.
sean
|
| 8.1147 | | UPWARD::HEISER | Red Sea Beach Club | Mon Apr 02 1990 13:02 | 7 |
| Nice try Jeff! Phoenix didn't play LA yesterday, you should've used
Utah instead.
LA does come to Phoenix on Friday. Not that it would a good game
though.
Mike
|
| 8.1148 | Who are the Blazes and why did the Lakers play them? | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Mon Apr 02 1990 13:26 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1149 | | LEVERS::STROUT | still flying in a blue dream! | Mon Apr 02 1990 13:30 | 2 |
| what in the blazes are you talking about!!
who plays tonight anyways? anything worth watching??
|
| 8.1150 | This is what I was talking about, Sean | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Mon Apr 02 1990 13:37 | 1 |
| 8.1151 | | UPWARD::HEISER | Red Sea Beach Club | Mon Apr 02 1990 14:36 | 1 |
| BLAZES ARE NOT TO BLAM!
|
| 8.1152 | BLAZE THE BLAMMERS! | GENRAL::WADE | WhyGoOutForMilkWhenYouHaveACowAtHome | Mon Apr 02 1990 14:43 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1153 | quick! TM that sucker! | LEVERS::STROUT | still flying in a blue dream! | Mon Apr 02 1990 14:50 | 0 |
| 8.1154 | Got work on it for next year... | REFINE::ASHE | So many nights, I sit by my window | Tue Apr 03 1990 14:19 | 1 |
| Why would Riley being fired be regular priority...
|
| 8.1155 | who's playing tonight????? thanks. | LEVERS::STROUT | Bite the Towel! UNLV roolz! | Tue Apr 03 1990 14:24 | 0 |
| 8.1156 | | UPWARD::HEISER | Shut up! I'm doin' a Nike commercial | Tue Apr 03 1990 14:43 | 4 |
| Boston's at Detroit
Dallas at Phoenix (I'll be there)
not sure of the rest
|
| 8.1157 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Bite the Towel! UNLV roolz! | Tue Apr 03 1990 14:54 | 8 |
| thanks Mike... Boston at Detroit sounds like a heck of a game.
Detroit is tough to beat at home though... should be a Piston's
win.
Dallas at Phoenix also? Should be interesting to see if Phoenix
can finally get back on track after the injuries and the east coast
trip.
sean
|
| 8.1158 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | Duke=Broncos of NCAA | Tue Apr 03 1990 18:19 | 14 |
| Schedule for 4-3-90
Houston at Philadelpia
Cleveland at New York
Golden State at Orlando
Boston at Detroit
Indiana at Chicago
Minnesota at San Antonio
Charlotte at Utah
LA Clippers at Sacramento
Portland at Seattle
Dallas at Phoenix
|
| 8.1159 | no paper bloos. | LEVERS::STROUT | 5 to 1... 1 in 5... | Wed Apr 04 1990 11:41 | 4 |
| Philly, New York, Detroit won last night... Who else won? In
particular, Chicago, Phoenix and Seattle games. thanks.
sean
|
| 8.1160 | Boston Score | KBOT03::ARMSTRONG | | Wed Apr 04 1990 12:00 | 5 |
| What was the score to the boston game?
Thanks in advance,
Dave
|
| 8.1161 | | WJO::POLAY | | Wed Apr 04 1990 12:06 | 5 |
| Detroit 93
Boston 82
...
|
| 8.1162 | Thanks | KBOT03::ARMSTRONG | | Wed Apr 04 1990 12:15 | 3 |
| Thanks!
Dave
|
| 8.1163 | 5'11"? amazing | CNTROL::CHILDS | Those hazy lazy days of summer are here | Wed Apr 04 1990 13:50 | 12 |
|
Chitown 109 pacers 102
suns 117 dallas 111
seattle 136 portland 134 (ot)
minny 92 spurs 90
utah 127 charlotte 104
clips 114 kings 105
warriors 127 magic 126
timmy hardeway had a triple double.....
mike
|
| 8.1164 | thanks mike! | LEVERS::STROUT | 5 to 1... 1 in 5... | Wed Apr 04 1990 13:55 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1165 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Wed Apr 04 1990 14:08 | 4 |
| If I had ears like Dennis Rodman, I would have to think twice
before cutting my hair like that.
/Don
|
| 8.1166 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Wed Apr 04 1990 14:09 | 1 |
| ...it reminded me of the old Mickey Mouse caps.
|
| 8.1167 | Bird got keeled by Madman last night. | LEVERS::STROUT | 5 to 1... 1 in 5... | Wed Apr 04 1990 14:17 | 0 |
| 8.1168 | Keelhauled would be the right word Sean | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Wed Apr 04 1990 14:19 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1169 | dam. thanks /Don. | LEVERS::STROUT | 5 to 1... 1 in 5... | Wed Apr 04 1990 14:21 | 0 |
| 8.1170 | tonight's lineup anyone? | LEVERS::STROUT | 5 to 1... 1 in 5... | Wed Apr 04 1990 16:39 | 4 |
| anyone know who's paying tonight? I'm wondering if there is
going to any good games on TV tonight. (TNT?) thanks.
sean
|
| 8.1171 | UPI: Cosby pays tribute to Ramon Ramos | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Wed Apr 04 1990 19:16 | 30 |
| Path: shlump.nac.dec.com!decwrl!looking!clarinews
From: clarinews@clarinet.com
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Cosby pays tribute to injured Blazer
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PORTLAND, Ore. (UPI) -- Bill Cosby will be paying tribute to
Portland Trail Blazer forward Ramon Ramos on this week's episode of his
top-rated TV show.
Cosby recently learned about the Dec. 16 car crash that left Ramos
in a coma. As a public tribute, Cosby requested Ramos' jersey from the
Blazer office and wore it during the taping of an episode that airs
Thursday night.
Ramos is recovering from the crash at the Rehabilitation Institute
of Oregon, a department of Good Samaritan Hospital and Medical Center.
``He is still in a state between a coma and full consciousness,''
said hospital spokesman Chuck Williams said Tuesday. ``We are seeing
improvement from day to day, but the progress is very slow. He's getting
stronger, gaining weight and is basically getting more healthy.''
|
| 8.1172 | A tribute to Ramos ??? Why ??? | SHALOT::HUNT | A single ping please, Vasily. | Wed Apr 04 1990 19:37 | 25 |
| Geez, what a guy the Coz is huh ???
Here we have a professional athlete who decides to tip a few cold
ones and then drives his car fast enough to the point where the
slightest twitch (or patch of ice) sends him into a near-fatal
crash.
Yes, it is truly tragic what has happened to Ramon Ramos. It was
also unbelievably stupid and incredibly risky to do what he did.
Why should Cosby pay tribute to such blatant idiocy and waste ???
Cosby ought to be paying tribute to Ryan White. Here's a kid
already stricken with hemophilia who gets a deadly transfusion
full of the AIDS virus. As if that's not bad enough, his home
town near Chicago bans him from attending school. The kid and
his parents had to move to another town nearby where sympathy ran
just a little higher.
Now, Ryan White's near death from an AIDS-related illness and he
can't even get a transfusion since he'd bleed to death anyway.
C'mon Cos, do the right thing ...
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.1173 | yes and no | CNTROL::CHILDS | Those hazy lazy days of summer are here | Wed Apr 04 1990 19:54 | 8 |
|
Bob, I agree with most of what you're saying but I also think that
maybe, just maybe Cos's tribute to Ramon might remind others of
the dangers of drinking and driving and they might say NO. Even if
it saves just one life because someone thought about Cos and Ramon
than it's worth it.......
mike
|
| 8.1174 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Wed Apr 04 1990 20:03 | 5 |
| I agree with Bob. It's kind of like everyone praising Drew Barrymore
for drying out when the real question should be how and why a pre-teen
got hooked on booze and drugs in the first place.
John
|
| 8.1175 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Wed Apr 04 1990 20:29 | 3 |
| Perhaps my memory is failing me but Ramos was straight at the time of the
accident. He just hit a patch of ice. He was speeding but drinking wasn't
involved.
|
| 8.1176 | | LACV01::PETRIE | Heat rises | Wed Apr 04 1990 20:52 | 2 |
| Jeff's right. Ramos's real problem was that he wasn't wearing
his seatbelt - when the car flipped, he went flying.
|
| 8.1177 | Most wins by an expansion team? | SALEM::MOE | | Thu Apr 05 1990 10:33 | 3 |
| OK you history buffs, does anyone know what the most wins for an
expansion team their first year and by what team? Does it look
like the Timberwolves are even close to the record with 21 so far?
|
| 8.1178 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Thu Apr 05 1990 10:43 | 5 |
| Yeah Jeff, I was thinking the same thing. Maybe everybody out
there will be moved to buckle up for safety after watching Cosby
tonight.
/Don
|
| 8.1179 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Thu Apr 05 1990 10:59 | 9 |
| Then I apologize for what I wrote a few notes back. I thought he
was DWI when the accident happened.
The principle still goes though. I have lots of sympathy for a
drunk driver's victims. I have lots of sympathy for the family
of a drunk driver if the driver was killed in the accident. I don't
have a lot of sympathy for the drunk driver.
John
|
| 8.1180 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Thu Apr 05 1990 11:14 | 5 |
| ESPN had a good story about Ramos last week. Ramon and his
family are optimistic, but the doctors hold little hope he can
recover sufficiently to play in the NBA.
/Don
|
| 8.1181 | He was not DWI | PAXVAX::TORRES | Wheel In The Sky Keeps On Turning... | Thu Apr 05 1990 12:19 | 9 |
|
re. 1172
Yes, I agree in part with you... But, Ramon wasn't drinking and
driving... He just lost control of the car... I guess being an
Academic All American doesn't guarantee that he would have thought
about using the seatbelt.
ElT
|
| 8.1182 | Mea culpa ... | SHALOT::HUNT | A single ping please, Vasily. | Thu Apr 05 1990 12:37 | 7 |
| I thought I remembered that Ramos was DWI. If not, then I apologize for the
error.
He was speeding dangerously, however, and I still think there are nobler
causes for Bill Cosby to highlight if he feels so inclined.
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.1183 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Sucker that stole the soul ... | Thu Apr 05 1990 12:38 | 9 |
| Cheap shot Bob, Ramon was speeding yes, but he hit a patch of ice,
no drugs, no booze involved.
As for Ryan White, he's getting recognition from Micheal Jackson
to George Bush .... I hardly think he's getting the short shrift.
In fact, let's use your logic, and wonder where was this popular
support when the poor kid was treated like a leper, and kicked out
of school ?
|
| 8.1184 | Ryan White is a hero....... | SASE::SZABO | | Thu Apr 05 1990 13:31 | 13 |
| 8.1185 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | G.H.C.C - Home of the Chokers! | Thu Apr 05 1990 13:46 | 20 |
| Doc,
Easy now, Bob already apologized for his error. And believe me
Doc, when it happened - out here EVERYONE figured he was BLAMED
out of his mind. It came out later he wasn't.
A tragedy yes, but I'll admit my compassion level is quite low for
those who speed and drive like maniacs.
JD
Re Portland-Seattle game. What a game. What a game. Jim Farmer
and Dana Barros led the charge after Ellis fouled out. Dana hit
a couple of crucial 3-pointers, and Farmer scored 26 - including
clutch free throws down the stretch. It was great seeing the
disbelieving eyes of Clyde Drexler, who after the game claimed Farmer
and Barros had "Career Nights". I guess ol' Clyde didn't watch
the SOnics when Ellis, Threatt, and X-Man were out.
JD
|
| 8.1186 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Thu Apr 05 1990 18:25 | 7 |
| >> OK you history buffs, does anyone know what the most wins for an
>> expansion team their first year and by what team? Does it look
>> like the Timberwolves are even close to the record with 21 so far?
Chicago owns the record. I believe it was 1966-1967 but don't remember their
record.
|
| 8.1187 | | UPWARD::HEISER | WBLM rocks Cliff Island | Thu Apr 05 1990 19:44 | 5 |
| Has anyone noticed how much JB Carroll has improved since going to
Denver? Over the last 4 DEChoop's games, he's averaging 29 DECpts per
game. His high was this week at 37.
Mike
|
| 8.1188 | not too bad | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu Apr 05 1990 19:58 | 3 |
| He actually had a couple of blocked shots against the Hornets last night.
TTom
|
| 8.1189 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Thu Apr 05 1990 20:15 | 7 |
| >> <<< Note 8.1187 by UPWARD::HEISER "WBLM rocks Cliff Island" >>>
>>
>> Has anyone noticed how much JB Carroll has improved since going to
>> Denver? Over the last 4 DEChoop's games, he's averaging 29 DECpts per
>> game. His high was this week at 37.
See 8.1009.
|
| 8.1190 | Littles named Hornets coach | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri Apr 06 1990 11:22 | 6 |
| Gene Littles was named the Head Coach for the Charlotte Hornets
yesterday. He will also maintain his position as Director of Player
Personnel. Most importantly, in working with George "Steinbrenner" Shinn,
he got a multiyear contract.
TTom
|
| 8.1191 | Just a coincidence????? | 4159::NAZZARO | Dad's busy - 2 boys, 2 sports each | Fri Apr 06 1990 13:14 | 5 |
| Well, it IS true that JBC has been playing pretty well and piling
up some nice stats, Denver has gone down the tubes ever since they
got him, and now might even not make the playoffs.
NAZZ
|
| 8.1192 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Fri Apr 06 1990 13:46 | 19 |
|
True, Nazz. With JBC, they changed their style to more of a
halfcourt, post-up game. If Carroll had a semi-accurate shot,
it might have worked. They worked the ball well, the Nuggets
have always been known as an excellent passing team, only to
see JBC toss up a brick. Actually it hasn't been just JBC, the
entire team is shooting horribly. I think they are the oldest
team in the league. That might be part of it, i.e. the late season
swoon due to being tired? They definately need to make some
drastic changes. Rassmussen has been a stiff since he signed
that ridiculous contract, $17.5 million! He doesn't even start.
The only way I see them being able to get rid of him would be
to cut him. I think Seattle went up on the Nuggets by a half a
game by beating Utah last night, Seattle has been playing well.
GO NUGGETS! Lose enough to get in the lottery, you need it.
HOOT
|
| 8.1193 | | PNO::HEISER | WBLM rocks Cliff Island | Fri Apr 06 1990 13:47 | 6 |
| Jeff, that was an old note, didn't know if you were still watching.
Nazz, JBC seems to have slowed Denver's running game despite his better
performance. Rumor is that Denver is unhappy because of this.
Mike
|
| 8.1194 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Fri Apr 06 1990 14:00 | 3 |
|
Correct, Mike. I haven't seen them lately, but have read that they have
gone back to the running game.
|
| 8.1195 | | LEVERS::STROUT | five to one... one in five | Fri Apr 06 1990 16:42 | 10 |
|
Lakers upended Sacramento last night 110-103.. hehe.. should
I mention how Worthy did? This is your last chance to bail out
Laker haters. 8^)
Worthy shot an unprecedented 9-9 from the field racking up 21
points. Woolridge had a nifty 8-11 from the field for 21 also.
Pretty cool, huh?
sean
|
| 8.1196 | | UPWARD::HEISER | WBLM rocks Cliff Island | Fri Apr 06 1990 19:12 | 1 |
| Magic had a 41 point rotis. night.
|
| 8.1197 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Fri Apr 06 1990 19:33 | 181 |
| Looky what else they've got on the UPI newswire (aka CLARI.*.*):
Article 80 of clari.sports.basketball:
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: NBA Box Scores 4-4
Date: 4 Apr 90 06:08:11 GMT
Tuesday NBA Boxscores
By United Press International
------
HOUSTON (112)
Johnson 6-11 0-1 12, Thorpe 8-16 1-2 17, Olajuwon 9-22 1-4
19, Wiggins 6-13 2-3 14, Floyd 1-2 2-2 5, Maxwell 7-11 3-3 19, L. Smith
1-3 2-2 4, Woodson 5-9 0-0 10, Bowie 0-2 0-0 0, McCormick 1-2 0-0 2,
Caldwell 2-3 0-0 4, Lloyd 3-3 0-0 6. Totals 49-97 11- 17 112.
PHILADELPHIA (133)
Barkley 11-16 3-6 26, Mahorn 9-14 4-6 23, Gminski 8-16 0-0
16, Dawkins 4-9 4-4 12, Hawkins 7-13 7-7 21, Anderson 4-11 1-1 9, D.
Smith 3-8 0-0 7, Nimphius 2-3 0-0 4, Brooks 3-6 3-4 11, Payne 2-5 0-0
4, Copeland 0-1 0-0 0. Totals 53-102 22-28 133.
Houston 25 26 28 33--112
Philadelphia 35 24 37 37--133
Three-point goals--Maxwell 2, Floyd, Brooks 2, Barkley, Mahorn,
D. Smith. Fouled out--None. Total fouls--Houston 20, Philadelphia 15.
Rebounds--Houston 49 (Olajuwon 13), Philadelphia 60 (Gminski 15). Assists--Houston
32 (Maxwell 9), Philadelphia 29 (Brooks 8 ). Technical--Houston (illegal
defense). A-- 14,363.
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BOSTON (82)
McHale 9-18 4-6 22, Bird 5-13 8-8 19, Parish 4-12 2-2 10, Re.
Lewis 1-12 4-4 6, D. Johnson 5-9 0-0 10, Kleine 0-0 0-0 0, Bagley 0-1
0-0 0, Paxson 3-8 1-1 7, Pinckney 0-0 0-0 0, M. Smith 4-7 0-0 8, Gamble
0-1 0-0 0, C. Smith 0-2 0-0 0. Totals 31-83 19-21 82.
DETROIT (93)
Rodman 6-9 2-4 14, Edwards 10-20 8-8 28, Laimbeer 2-11 2-3
6, V. Johnson 6-17 3-3 15, Thomas 6-18 12-15 24, Salley 1-4 0-0 2,
Henderson 0-2 0-0 0, Aguirre 2-5 0-1 4, Ra. Lewis 0-0 0-0 0, Greenwood
0-0 0-0 0. Totals 33-86 27-34 93.
Boston 23 14 25 20--82
Detroit 22 23 26 22--93
Three-point goals--Bird. Fouled out-- None. Total fouls--Boston
28, Detroit 23. Rebounds--Boston 36 (McHale 9, Bird 9), Detroit 59
(Laimbeer 21). Assists--Boston 21 (D. Johnson 7), Detroit 19 (V. Johnson
10). Technicals--Boston, illegal defense. A-21,454.
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GOLDEN STATE (127)
Mullin 12-18 7-7 32, Teagle 3-11 0-0 6, Petersen 3-4 1-2 7,
Hardaway 9-18 6-10 25, Richmond 12-17 3-3 28, Higgins 4-10 5-6 14,
Tolbert 0-3 2-2 2, Upshaw 0-0 4-4 4, Marciulionis 1-2 5-7 7, Bol 1-1
0-0 2. Totals 45-84 33-41 127.
ORLANDO (126)
Turner 3-8 2-2 8, Catledge 8-19 6-7 22, Green 2-4 1-1 5, Skiles
5-10 0-0 12, Smith 11-17 3-4 27, Theus 2-14 4-4 8, Reynolds 3- 7 6-7
12, Anderson 5-9 2-5 12, Ansley 1-7 0-0 2, Wiley 7-13 2-3 18. Totals
47-108 26-33 126.
Golden State 30 42 40 15--127
Orlando 35 17 39 35--126
Three-point goals--Mullin, Hardaway, Richmond, Higgins, Skiles,
Smith, Theus, Wiley. Fouled out--none. Total fouls-- Golden State 30,
Orlando 31. Rebounds-- Golden State 43 (Hardaway 10), Orlando 52 (Anderson
13). Assists--Golden State 21 (Hardaway 12), Orlando 24 (Theus, Wiley
4). Technicals--Golden State (illegal defense). A--15,077.
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CLEVELAND (97)
Bennett 2-6 2-4 6, Nance 9-17 0-0 18, Daugherty 4-8 2-2 10,
Ehlo 6-15 1-2 13, Price 7-15 1-1 17, Williams 12-21 2-2 26, Brown 0-1
0-0 0, Kerr 2-4 1-1 5, Rollins 1- 1 0-0 2. Totals 43-88 9-12 97.
NEW YORK (106)
Vandeweghe 3-10 0-0 6, Walker 4-10 2-3 10, Ewing 10-22 4-4
24, Cheeks 2-5 0-0 4, G. Wilkins 11-19 3-4 25, E. Wilkins 2-2 0-0 4,
Newman 8-13 2-2 18, Tucker 2-4 0-0 4, Jackson 4-7 3-4 11. Totals 46-92
14-17 106.
Cleveland 28 21 27 21-- 97
New York 24 33 27 22--106
Three-point goals--Price 2. Fouled out --none. Total fouls--Cleveland
18, New York 18. Rebounds--Cleveland 42 (Ehlo 10), New York 42 (Ewing
11). Assists-- Cleveland 29 (Price 10), New York 28 (G. Wilkins 7).
Technical--Cleveland coach Wilkens, New York (illegal defense). A--
17,048.
INDIANA (102)
Person 7-14 0-0 15, Schrempf 7-13 4-6 18, Smits 8-14 5-6 21,
Fleming 2-5 1-2 5, Miller 7-14 11-14 26, Green 2-4 0-0 4, M. Sanders
4-4 3-3 11, Thompson 0-2 2-2 2. Totals 37-70 26-33 102.
CHICAGO (109)
Pippen 8-13 5-6 21, Grant 6-11 3-4 15, Cartwright 7-9 2-2 16,
Paxson 5-9 0-0 11, Jordan 8-19 12-12 29, Perdue 1-2 1-1 3, King 1-3
0-0 2, Armstrong 4-5 2-2 10, J. Sanders 0-1 0-0 0, Davis 1-2 0-0 2.
Totals 41-74 25-27 109.
Indiana 27 24 26 25--102
Chicago 32 22 27 28--109
Three-point goals--Miller, Person, Jordan, Paxson. Fouled out--None.
Total fouls--Indiana 23, Chicago 29. Rebounds-- Indiana 32 (Schrempf
10), Chicago 28 (Grant 6). Assists--Indiana 25 (Person 5), Chicago
27 (Jordan 10). Technicals-- Indiana coach Versace 2 (ejected), Miller.
A--17,763.
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MINNESOTA (92)
Corbin 8-14 1-2 17, Mitchell 4-6 4-5 12, Murphy 5-13 2-2 12, Campbell
10-24 7-9 27, Richardson 8-19 0-0 16, Breuer 3-3 0-0 6, Roth 0-0 2-2
2. Totals 38-79 16-20 92.
SAN ANTONIO (90)
Elliott 5-8 0-0 10, Cummings 8-15 1-2 17, Robinson 6-12 6-10 18, Strickland
1-5 2-4 4, Anderson 9-18 5-6 24, Brockowski 2-3 0-0 4, Wingate 2-4
3-4 7, Jones 3-3 0-0 6, Moore 0-1 0-2 0. Totals 36-69 17-28 90.
Minnesota 26 26 18 22--92
San Antonio 18 20 29 23--90
Three-point goals--Anderson. Fouled out--None. Total fouls--Minnesota
20, San Antinio 18. Rebounds--Minnesota 31 (Corbin, Mitchell 8), San
Antonio (Robinson) 13. Assists--Minnesota 24 (Richardson 15), San Antonio
21 (Strickland 7). Technicals--Robinson, Breuer. A--12,568.
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CHARLOTTE (104)
Tripucka 5-14 8-8 18, Gilliam 6-13 4-6 16, J. Reid 2-5 2-4
6, Bogues 4-8 0-0 8, R. Reid 3-7 0-0 6, Curry 7-13 4-4 18, Gattison
2-4 2-3 6, Williams 3-7 3-4 9, Keys 6-11 0-0 12, Anderson 2-3 1-1 5.
Totals 40-85 24-30 104.
UTAH (127)
Malone 13-19 9-10 36, Bailey 6-10 3-3 15, Eaton 2-5 3-4 7,
Stockton 3-9 2-3 8, Hansen 3-4 1-3 8, Rudd 2-3 2-2 6, Edwards 6-7 2-2
14, Griffith 3-7 3-4 11, M. Brown 3- 5 4-4 10, Leckner 3-5 2-2 8, R.
Brown 1-3 0-0 2, Johnson 1-3 0-0 2. Totals 36-80 31-37 127.
Charlotte 20 26 25 33--104
Utah 34 29 27 37--127
Three-point goals--Griffith 2, Malone, Hansen. Fouled out--J.
Reid. Total fouls --Charlotte 29, Utah 29. Rebounds-- Charlotte 32
(Gilliam 8), Utah 43 (Malone 13). Assists--Charlotte 23 (Bogues 8),
Utah 34 (Stockton 14). Technicals-- Charlotte (illegal defense), J.
Reid, Gilliam, Utah (illegal defense), Malone. A--12,616.
DALLAS (111)
Tarpley 10-18 1-2 21, Williams 6-15 4-4 16, Wennington 6-10
1-1 13, Blackman 8-13 6-6 22, Harper 7-14 6-6 20, White 5-10 0-0 11,
Jones 3-6 0-0 6, McCann 0-0 0-0 0, Alford 1-1 0-0 2. Totals 46-87 18-19
111.
PHOENIX (117)
Chambers 14-21 5-6 34, Rambis 3-4 0-0 6, West 7-9 5-7 19, K.
Johnson 6-18 11-14 23, McGee 1-3 0-0 2, E. Johnson 6-11 4-4 17, Legler
2-5 0-0 4, Lang 3-3 2-2 8, Perry 0-0 0-0 0, Battle 2-2 0-0 4, Grant
0-1 0-0 0. Totals 44-77 27-33 117.
Dallas 27 27 29 28--111
Phoenix 31 36 26 24--117
Three-point goals--White; Chambers, E. Johnson. Fouled out--Harper.
Total fouls --Dallas 26, Phoenix 19. Rebounds-- Dallas 32 (Tarpley
8), Phoenix 32 (West 9). Assists--Dallas 30 (Harper 13), Phoenix 34
(K. Johnson 20). Technical fouls--Dallas (illegal defense). A--14,487.
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LA CLIPPERS (114)
Norman 9-12 0-0 18, Smith 7-15 10-10 24, Benjamin 4-11 2-2
10, Garrick 6-9 0-0 12, Martin 5-9 0-2 10, Manning 4-10 3-4 11, Garland
7-11 9-9 23, Harris 3-5 0-0 6. Totals 45-84 24-27 114.
SACRAMENTO (105)
McCray 3-8 0-0 6, Tisdale 9-19 4-6 22, Ellison 3-11 0-0 6,
Ainge 13-27 1-1 30 Del Negro 2-7 1-1 5, Kite 1-2 0-0 2, Carr 10-13
5-6 25, Toney 4-8 0-0 9. Totals 45-95 11-14 105.
LA Clippers 32 24 26 32--114
Sacramento 17 35 32 21--105
Three-point goals--Ainge (3), Toney. Fouled out--None. Total
fouls--L.A. Clippers 20, Sacramento 22. Rebounds-- L.A. Clippers (Benjamin
10), Sacramento 29 (Tisdale 7). Assists--L.A. Clippers 27 (Garrick
11), Sacramento 29 (McCray 12). Technicals--Del Negro. A--17,014.
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PORTLAND (134)
Kersey 6-13 9-11 21, Williams 3-11 3-4 9, Duckworth 5-11 3-3
13, Porter 5-9 14-15 27, Drexler 12-24 1-4 29, Bryant 2-3 0-0 4, Petrovic
5-6 2-2 14, Robinson 3-9 0-0 6, Young 1-2 0-0 2, Cooper 4-4 1-1 9.
Totals 46-92 33-40 134.
SEATTLE (136)
McDaniel 4-14 6-10 14, McKey 5-10 3-8 13, Cage 3-5 1-1 7, Ellis
11-24 3-5 30, McMillan 4-5 1-2 9, Polynice 7-9 1-1 15, Farmer 6-10
12-14 26, Kemp 2-6 2-2 6, Threatt 0-4 2-2 2, Barros 5-7 2-2 14. Totals
47-94 33-47 136.
Portland 27 30 30 35 12--134
Seattle 32 29 24 37 14--136
Three-point goals--Drexler 4, Porter 3, Petrovic 2, Ellis 5,
Farmer 2, Barros 2. Fouled out--Robinson, Ellis. Total fouls-- Portland
36, Seattle 31. Rebounds-- Portland 53 (Kersey 16), Seattle 61 (Kemp
8). Assists--Portland 19 (Porter 7), Seattle 17 (McMillan 4). Technicals--
Cage, Duckworth. A--11,414.
(end box)
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| 8.1198 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Mon Apr 09 1990 13:13 | 6 |
|
"Bird 5-13 8-8 19"
That doesn't add up.
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| 8.1199 | | LEVERS::STROUT | five to one... one in five | Mon Apr 09 1990 13:16 | 1 |
| dude, bird got 1 3 pointer.
|
| 8.1200 | | UPWARD::HEISER | don't sample me, don't sample me | Mon Apr 09 1990 13:38 | 5 |
| I hate it when they do that :-)
Why don't they separate 3pt and 2pt field goals?
Mike
|
| 8.1202 | | 15436::LEFEBVRE | You gotta get in to get out | Mon Apr 09 1990 14:46 | 5 |
| Ewing charged and Barkley ran.
HTH.
Mark.
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| 8.1203 | me and Hensihon anyways.. | CNTROL::CHILDS | Those hazy lazy days of summer are here | Mon Apr 09 1990 16:02 | 5 |
|
anyone else feel Rodman's over-rated defensively? sure does get away
with a lot holding....
mike
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| 8.1204 | | SONG::ASHE | You better shop around... | Mon Apr 09 1990 16:28 | 4 |
| Only a foul if he gets caught...
I think he's a great player... gets in people' faces and hits the
boards... of course you may not want to ask me...
|
| 8.1205 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Those hazy lazy days of summer are here | Mon Apr 09 1990 16:44 | 12 |
|
I agree Walt about it being a foul and that he is a great player but
that's the point.
magic is allowed to palm, travel etc...
same for Michael. Bird can bury a guy with his shoulders, any Malone
in the league ever get called for charging?
The Worm now has a rep and the rep allows him stuff others aren't
allowed....
mike
|
| 8.1206 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | Duke=Broncos of NCAA | Mon Apr 09 1990 16:47 | 19 |
|
re: Barkley/Ewing
Barkley didn't run. Mahorn grabbed ahold of Ewing's jersey and got the
message through that Barkley wasn't to be messed with. While that was
happening, Oakley came off the bench (in street clothes) and tried to
hit Barkley with his cast. That earned Oakley an ejection, but no
technical was given to Oakley.
BTW Ewing went down twice. The first time Barkley pushed him down whil
going through the lane, the second time when Ewing charged him and
Barkley had the position. :*)
Barkley's first push of Ewing was in retaliation for a shot to the head
he took from Patrick on the preceding posession.
HTH
Dennis
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| 8.1207 | some guys have to be dirty to be good | UPWARD::HEISER | don't sample me, don't sample me | Tue Apr 10 1990 13:04 | 7 |
| Anyone catch the pick Ehlo laid on Isaiah in Sunday's game? Poor
Princess look like he ran into a wall, laid him flat out.
The dirty player that he is, he made sure Ehlo received a nice elbow to
the gut a few minutes later.
Mike
|
| 8.1208 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | iceMAN | Tue Apr 10 1990 13:07 | 6 |
|
Mike, I saw that...
Ehlo has become quite the player... gone from boarderline bench talent
to solid starter... the Cavs are fortunate that he left Houston to
come to Cleveland.
|
| 8.1209 | not you Walt we know you're busy | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celts & Philly in the Eastern Finals | Tue Apr 10 1990 13:13 | 6 |
|
yeah the princess couldn't handle that nice clean screen....I thought
he was supposed to rise to the occassion when Dumars went down? Where
all the Piston fans that where in here a few weeks ago?
mike
|
| 8.1210 | | 33328::BMCWILLIAMS | Improvise if you have to ... | Tue Apr 10 1990 16:30 | 8 |
| > yeah the princess couldn't handle that nice clean screen....
I saw the play. Looked to me like it was Ehlo who put a little elbow into the
screen, but Isaiah bounced right up and was the first one down the court on D.
> he was supposed to rise to the occassion when Dumars went down?
didn't he have 14+ assists?
|
| 8.1211 | gotta get this straight once and for all... | LEVERS::STROUT | five to one... one in five | Tue Apr 10 1990 16:46 | 1 |
| So Olajuwon is better than Ewing, right? 8^)
|
| 8.1212 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue Apr 10 1990 17:37 | 2 |
|
Yes, no doubt what-so-ever.
|
| 8.1213 | Isiah can't carry a team by himself | 4159::NAZZARO | Open the pod bay door HAL!! | Tue Apr 10 1990 17:43 | 6 |
| Pistons are 3-6 without Dumars. So much for Isiah stepping up
his game to make up for Dumars' loss.
Hope this helps.
NAZZ
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| 8.1214 | No big deal. Dumars is back. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Wed Apr 11 1990 01:09 | 0 |
| 8.1215 | nothing cheap about Elho's pick | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celts & Philly in the Eastern Finals | Wed Apr 11 1990 10:26 | 8 |
|
I don't recall Elho raising his elbows to a height to inflict damage.
If it had been the princess he'd have gone headhunting with his elbows.
14 assists, he should get that every night with the amount of time he
handles the ball.....
mike
|
| 8.1216 | | LUNER::BROOKS | Bo,Jordan,Hendry,Shakespere,Gronowski | Wed Apr 11 1990 11:29 | 2 |
| Mike, somebody could say the same thing (14 assists ...) about John
Stockton ....
|
| 8.1217 | | UPWARD::HEISER | from the trendoid vortex of America | Wed Apr 11 1990 13:15 | 6 |
| But Stockton does AVERAGE close to 14 PER GAME! KJ and Magic are also
around 12 PER GAME.
Isaiah couldn't carry their jocks even though he wants to!
Mike
|
| 8.1218 | point proven by MH | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celts & Philly in the Eastern Finals | Wed Apr 11 1990 13:48 | 14 |
|
Doc, what Mike said....
Two things about Isiah, I haven't seen any improvement in his game
since he left college, and he is a cheapshot artist. I especially
detest the cheapshots because they're unnecessary and they distract
from all of the good thing he can do. He has cried and whined for
respect every since he came into the league and probably would have it
by now if he had just let his play making ability do the talking.
Instead he has used his mouth and somewhat questionable tatics on
the court.
mike
|
| 8.1219 | Did the tigers win today? | REFINE::ASHE | You better shop around... | Wed Apr 11 1990 20:04 | 10 |
| Yeah, yeah... I didn't say anything about the Pistons and Isiah before,
I won't now.
Hope Dumars isn't rushed coming back. I think he'll be ok, but no need
to push him before he's needed.
Good win last night. Not sure where the other guys went. I'm always
here win or lose... when I can...
-Walt
|
| 8.1220 | Still playing with Slimey's Walt? | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celts & Philly in the Eastern Finals | Thu Apr 12 1990 11:40 | 8 |
|
I don't know if you caught the game Walt but Doug Collins said the
Piston's trainer came over to him after Dumars took a crack on his
hand and that Joe felt good because the hand only stung for a minute
and he now knows it strong enough to take a hit. Bottom line he won't
have to baby it....
mike
|
| 8.1221 | The PROOF! | UPWARD::HEISER | silent anticipations | Thu Apr 12 1990 21:57 | 33 |
| Many moons ago, a version of SPORTS had debates on whether LA fans
really liked Lakerball or just showed up for appearances sake. I
overheard this conversation in the Forum on Monday night (Dallas game)
and provide it as final proof that those people don't have a clue!
Scene: players just came out to warm up
"Yo!"
"'sup?"
"I'm bummin' 'cause I'm thirty and still pre-wealth."
"See - you should've been a double geek and be into major frogskins by now."
"But there's no clutch to double-geeking. It's cold."
"So ya wanna be jonesin all your life in the franchise mode?"
"Well what's worse, to be a mega-rich queebo, a loaded forehead,
or a kerb-side leech?"
"word."
"It's not my bag that the world's harshly non-level."
"Wait a sec. Look at Nicholson, our friend in the second row. He's been a
bemo all his life. And he's got a few megs to show for it."
"Naw, he's really a squid. He scoffed his shares off all the gweebs he
worked for"
"Yeah, come to think of it, the Times called him a total flamer on their
trendy page. He's history."
"The whole world's beat. There's nothing left."
"Ahh, you need a power-snooze. You'll feel better afterwards."
"Actually what we need is some heavy za."
"OK. But I've gotta go home-home first."
"Why - did you forget your license to swill again?"
"Yeah, how'd you guess?"
"You're really a dweeb at heart, that's why."
"Hey, put some air in your photon-box. And rotate."
Scene: opening tip off happens as our 2 Laker 'fans' leave the Forum.
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| 8.1222 | Rooooolllllllllling | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | The grass is greener, but you still have to mow it! | Fri Apr 13 1990 09:34 | 3 |
| Great one Mike! :^)
Bret
|
| 8.1223 | You sure you got it all down? | FAB2NI::MITHAL | CBS- Rather Biased | Fri Apr 13 1990 10:20 | 5 |
| Great memory, Mike.
I understood maybe 10% of that, but it sure sounded funny. :-)
Sameer
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| 8.1224 | Quality material there Mike! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Apr 13 1990 10:46 | 5 |
| HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.1225 | I guess ya never know | CUPTAY::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Fri Apr 13 1990 10:49 | 2 |
| You know, to look at him, you'd never think that Jerry West would talk
like that. :)
|
| 8.1226 | OURGNG Trivia | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Apr 13 1990 10:53 | 12 |
| For you statistical buffs out there, note .1219 entered by Mr. Walt
Ashe was a biggee. (Happened on Wednesday at just past 4 pm, Colorado
time.)
At that moment a note topic finally surpassed the legendary UNC Contest
note (110), which had produced a whopping 1,218 notes!
(Any chance of WRITE/ENABLING 110 Mr. Moderator(s)? I've been thinking
about some damage charges I wanna file! ;^) )
- ACC Chris
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| 8.1227 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Have a Good Friday | Fri Apr 13 1990 11:16 | 6 |
|
Nahhh...., don't open up .110. Just refer to it out of the blue
in the note you happen to be in at the time, like T does. 8^)
-Dick
|
| 8.1228 | Lakers still get the calls.... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celts & Philly in the Eastern Finals | Fri Apr 13 1990 11:28 | 6 |
|
Did anyone enjoy the action last night as much as I did? Celts put
the hammer down in the fourth, the Lakers make a charge only to come up
short with a few airballs....ah yes life is good.....
mike
|
| 8.1229 | | CAM::WAY | The Lesser Bard | Fri Apr 13 1990 11:29 | 6 |
| Gee, almost to 1500.....8^)
Dick, after your comment about Big Dick bread, perhaps you should
start calling yourself "Biggus Dickus"...
'Saw
|
| 8.1230 | wewease Bawabbas! | UPWARD::HEISER | silent anticipations | Fri Apr 13 1990 13:15 | 6 |
| >Dick, after your comment about Big Dick bread, perhaps you should
>start calling yourself "Biggus Dickus"...
A Monty Python classic!
Mike
|
| 8.1231 | | UPWARD::HEISER | silent anticipations | Fri Apr 13 1990 13:18 | 3 |
| > Great memory, Mike.
Yeah you should see what I have planned if/when the Lakers lose! ;-)
|
| 8.1232 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '90 | Fri Apr 13 1990 13:34 | 5 |
| Anyone hear if Horace Grant is hurt? Or did he just have a real bad
game on Wednesday night??
The Crazy Met
|
| 8.1233 | | COMET::JOHNSTON | WonFarfugIsKnotEnuf! WhoIsTooBlam?! | Fri Apr 13 1990 13:45 | 3 |
| And his wife's name was Incontinentia Buttox!
Mike JN
|
| 8.1234 | | LEVERS::STROUT | five to one... one in five | Fri Apr 13 1990 14:05 | 7 |
| > Anyone hear if Horace Grant is hurt? Or did he just have a real bad
> game on Wednesday night??
THE Horace Grant on Chicago????? I sure hope not! When/where
did you hear this?
sean
|
| 8.1235 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '90 | Fri Apr 13 1990 14:33 | 6 |
| I did not hear he was hurt, but he had such a LOUSY game - nearly
cost me my rotis playoffs - that I was wondering if he was ok and
just happened to have an AWFUL game.
The Crazy Met
|
| 8.1236 | C's fans have no shame | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Arizona Athlete of the Year! | Fri Apr 13 1990 16:11 | 20 |
| > -< Lakers still get the calls.... >-
Mike, Ain't no way in hell a Green Docker ought to ever complain about
any other team "getting the calls". Anyone want to show the total
number of fouls the Jazz shot as opposed to the Lakers? Illegal
defenses (which is all Eaton ever plays)? Number of times Karl Malone
lowered his shoulder spun and popped someone like a running back and
ended up shooting fouls?
Last night's Laker game was encouraging. They went stone cold in the
second quarter and early in the 3rd found themselves in a 25-point hole
in Utah. And with 7 seconds left in the 4th quarter they took the
lead. Yes, they ended up losing on a Griffith turn-around prayer, but
I think Utah got the message.
I'm less worried about Utah in the playoffs this year than I was in the
last two years.
Dan
|
| 8.1237 | | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Apr 13 1990 16:21 | 21 |
| I saw a little of the 1st half and couldn't believe a couple of
non-calls that got called on the Lakers. 2 times down in a row it's
Malone vs. somebody and the sequence goes:
1. BUMP/GRIND/BUMP/GRIND (The usual NFL stuff that goes on in the NBA)
2. Pass to Malone.
3. Malone lowers shoulder, initiating contact. Laker maintains
position or backs off.
4. Malone shoots.
5. TWEET!
6. Malone scores and heads to foul line.
What a joke NBA officiating is.
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.1238 | Saw this somewhere .... | 4159::NAZZARO | Open the pod bay door HAL!! | Fri Apr 13 1990 17:11 | 4 |
| Horace Grant had an upset stomach and had to leave the game.
He is NOT to BLAM!
NAZZ
|
| 8.1239 | like the old p-name not just a job but a joke | CNTROL::CHILDS | Celts & Philly in the Eastern Finals | Fri Apr 13 1990 17:36 | 14 |
|
Dan, the only time we don't get the calls is against you guys....
;^)
Chris of course Malone gets away with murder, he's a star......
and I'd be willing to bet for every time Malone lowered his sholders
I could find a move where Jimmy Clang traveled....
;^)
mike
|
| 8.1240 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Fri Apr 13 1990 17:39 | 19 |
|
> 3. Malone lowers shoulder, initiating contact. Laker maintains
> position or backs off.
>
> 4. Malone shoots.
>
> 5. TWEET!
>
> 6. Malone scores and heads to foul line.
Gee, Moses Malone has been getting away with the same move for years.
Maybe Jeff Malone should see if he can get away with it too!!! :-)
JimH
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| 8.1241 | The ol' green and gold... | REFINE::ASHE | You better shop around... | Fri Apr 13 1990 18:28 | 8 |
| I feel honored I can push this over the top.
I saw that Mike, I figure it will take a couple more games to put
them in sync and then they can start rolling again...
And yup, for now, still a Swinger...
-Walt
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| 8.1242 | | WOODS::KINGR | It shouldn't hurt to be a child!!! | Sun Apr 15 1990 00:14 | 8 |
| Hey Chris, when they start calling the mailman on his lowering
and going in then maybe they will start calling Jordan's use
of the left arm to push away defenders.
REK
Yes, the are two rulings in the nba one for the stars and one for
everyone else!
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| 8.1244 | | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Mon Apr 16 1990 18:25 | 13 |
|
Today's paper reports the Nets' Chris Dudley was 1-18 from the FREE-
THROW LINE against Indiana Saturday night!
It dropped his % for the year from 38% to 34%. This was the second
worst performance in the history of the NBA, surpassed only by an 0-10
effort by Wilt.
At halftime of the game, a fan was blindfolded, spun around, and sank
1-7. Maybe they ought to try that with Dudley.
How can anyone who practices as many shots as he must be so
pathetically incompetent?
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| 8.1245 | | VALKYR::RUST | | Mon Apr 16 1990 18:39 | 14 |
| Re .1244: Look at it this way - when you play for the Nets, how else
are you going to get on the highlight films? ;-)
One of the sports shows showed all seventeen misses in a row. I think
there was one airball, several clanged off the front of the rim, a few
off the back, and a couple of heartbreakers that rolled around in the
basket for a while and then (apparently just realizing who was
shooting) popped back out again. My favorite was one which bounced hard
off the front rim, and rebounded so far back that Dudley caught it
himself - and then, as he was trying to force his way back to the hoop
for a layup, the other team gang-fouled him and put the poor guy back
on the line again...
-b
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| 8.1246 | This is unreal! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Apr 16 1990 18:50 | 4 |
| re: 1-17, gang-fouled, etc.
ACK!
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| 8.1247 | | SALEM::RIEU | In search of...Mr Trout! | Tue Apr 17 1990 09:52 | 3 |
| Did you notice the stat CBS showed Sunday? They were giving
teams' records vs expansion teams AND New Jersey!
Denny
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| 8.1248 | History of the NBA | SHALOT::MEDVID | Kristos Vos Kres | Tue Apr 17 1990 10:30 | 13 |
| Did anyone else catch "The History of the NBA" on HBO last night?
Excellent considering they squeezed 60 some years of basketball into
one hour.
The 'Characters of the Game' segment was hilarious; Dawkins is funnier
than Eddie Murphy.
I'm going to watch the show again and tape it. If you didn't see it,
see it!
Marivitch was God in sneakers.
--dan'l
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| 8.1249 | Spurs turned it around | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Thu Apr 19 1990 19:04 | 14 |
| The San Antonio Spurs now own the record for best turnaround in NBA
history after knocking off the Utah Jazz on Tuesday night. The Celtics
set the previous mark in Larry Bird's rookie year. In defeating the
Jazz, Karl Malone was held to about 11 points below his season scoring
average (Malone was something like 6-18 from the floor). The Spurs
gameplan was to shut down Malone and let the rest of the Jazz beat
them, but noone else was able to pick up the slack (although Stockton
put in a nice effort). David Robinson led the Spurs with 30 points, 12
(?) rebounds, and 5 blocks. Strickland put in perhaps his best game
since leaving NY.
San Antonio took the season series from Utah 3-2 and moved to within a
game of the Midwest lead. Should SA and Utah end up tied, the division
crown would go to SA.
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| 8.1250 | Utah=The Atlanta Hawks of the West | BAUCIS::SAPP | Bird,Magic,Jordan and Coleman | Thu Apr 19 1990 20:04 | 1 |
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| 8.1251 | Just curious..!?! | ELTICO::JOSEFINO | | Fri Apr 20 1990 10:58 | 18 |
|
Re: .1250
>> <<< Note 8.1250 by BAUCIS::SAPP "Bird,Magic,Jordan and Coleman" >>>
>> -< Utah=The Atlanta Hawks of the West >-
Just curious Mr. Sapp, is the order in which you write you personal
name entry based on your perception of who is the better player, i.e.,
descending or ascending order....???
Just curious...?!?!
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| 8.1253 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Fri Apr 20 1990 13:22 | 18 |
|
You got that right. Akeem was unstoppable. Defenders were right in his
face and he couldn't miss. He is unbelievably quick for a guy that
size. But he has little supporting cast.
Don Chaney lost that game. Moe totally outcoached him at the end of
regulation. Denver was forced to foul with 7 seconds left in the game,
down by one. Sleepy Floyd sank the first one and Moe called TO. Floyd
sank the 2nd FT and Fat Lever was permitted to stroll up the court
uncontested, stop at the 3-point (still uncontested) and sink it for
the tie. For some stupid reason the Houston players were all inside the
3-point line, most in or near the paint. Denver had no choice but to go
for a 3-pointer. Why would Chaney drop his defense back when a
2-pointer would do Denver no good? Fat sealed the win with another
3-pointer towards the end of the OT.
HOOT
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| 8.1254 | What a fine mess | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Wed Apr 25 1990 13:52 | 9 |
| How 'bout the Lakers getting fined $25K for not starting Magic
and Worthy? I think it's ridiculous. The game was meaningless,
the Lakers have every right to rest starters, and the league has
no business telling a coach who he can and cannot play. Just because
Portland used the game as an excuse to gouge fans (I believe they
had a pay per view telecast), the Lakers are not obliged to help
them by going along with the farce that the game means something.
/Don
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| 8.1255 | | 7983::RIEU | Stanley, won't you please come home! | Wed Apr 25 1990 14:23 | 4 |
| I say, take the league to court! Tie this up for YEARS! But, make
sure there's a restraining order that says the Lakers caint play til
it's settled.
Denny
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| 8.1256 | A truly desperate man | 7983::RIEU | Stanley, won't you please come home! | Wed Apr 25 1990 14:25 | 4 |
| Other Nooze:
Horace Grant wants out of Chicago. Says he's underpaid. Says he'll
even play for the Nets!
Denny
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| 8.1257 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Gea Johnson, you make everythang... | Wed Apr 25 1990 14:28 | 16 |
| ?don,
I too think it is stupid. The game had NO bearing on the standings,
and as you say, the league caint force a team to play certain players
X minutes. How hypocritical - they let teams place guys on the
IR with mysterious injuries like hang-nails, or mucscle tightness
all the tiem (the Sonics did it this year to juggle the lineup when
the injuries came, and I remember Rick Carlisle always coming up
with a recurring injury everytime the Celts needed an extra spot).
The league never does anything about the phoney injuries to the
bench players. Next thing you know, they'll be telling teams like
Utah that they caint use Thurl Bailey as a 6th man cuz he's better
than Blue Edwards!
JD
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| 8.1258 | re: .1256... you pulled my arm | LEVERS::STROUT | chew electric death!!!! - spiff | Wed Apr 25 1990 14:28 | 3 |
| Okay, I guess we'll take Akeem for him...
sean
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| 8.1259 | | CAM::WAY | Down in Cabo Wabo! | Wed Apr 25 1990 14:38 | 7 |
| The league telling a team who they can play is ludicrous.
I can't say that I know all the details, but the league shouldn't
be tampering with the team like that.
Sheesh,
'Saw
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| 8.1260 | | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Paul Yankowskas | Wed Apr 25 1990 14:47 | 9 |
| re the Lakers fine:
As someone said in the Celtics conference, baseball doesn't fine the
Red Sox in years where Wade Boggs doesn't play the last few games of a
baseball season...even as one who could care less about the Lakers, I
have to agree 100% with those who think this fine is a farce.
py
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| 8.1261 | consistent | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Wed Apr 25 1990 15:18 | 17 |
| If you fine the Lakers, you have to fine every other team in pro sports
that clinch their place in the playoffs. Baseball is notorious for
resting players.
In fact, there's a case to be made that it's perfectly constistent with
good coaching and team strategy to want to get your reserves more playing
time. Too bad someone sold pay for view cable time and felt ripped off.
It was most probably scheduled a while back when it looked like it might
be a very meaningful game. It wasn't.
On another point I finally read last week's SI on Jerry West. Good
article on his success as a GM. In it, they discussed getting AC Green.
Coicindentally, today's issue of USA Today has the highest played
athletes and AC is tied for 3rd with Magic, behind leader Ewing and
Barkley.
TTom
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| 8.1262 | what an insult | VERVE::BUCHANAN | Bat | Wed Apr 25 1990 15:22 | 8 |
| re: Laker fine
How do you think the Laker reserves who played feel? I think that
the comissioner owes them an apology. These guy are pro ball players,
good enough to make the Laker team, they were't a bunch of winos picked
up off the street. What Stern is saying to them is basically that you
guys are so bad that it's a joke, a disgrace to the league that you
were allowed to play.
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| 8.1264 | Hornet's news | UPWARD::HEISER | If Dora Plays Like Me Alls Lost | Wed Apr 25 1990 15:57 | 35 |
| From: clarinews@clarinet.com
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Hornets name Bristow vice president
Date: 23 Apr 90 23:28:39 GMT
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (UPI) -- The Charlotte Hornets on Monday named
Denver Nuggets assistant coach Allan Bristow as vice president of
basketball for the Hornets organization.
Hornets owner George Shinn said Bristow, considered one of the top
young executives in the NBA, will work closely with Hornets Coach Gene
Littles. Bristow will oversee player personnel matters, scouts, NBA
drafts and trades.
Bristow was with the Nuggets for six seasons as the top assistant
to Coach Doug Moe. He also served as player personnel director last
season.
``I am very excited about the opportunity that Mr. Shinn has given
me in Charlotte,'' Bristow said. ``This team has a strong young nucleus
with a lot to build on and look forward to in the future.''
Ironically, Denver recently hired away Bristow's predecessor. Carl
Scheer left the Hornets after two years when he could not get Shinn to
give him a contract.
Bristow was Philadelphia's second-round draft choice out of
Virginia Tech in 1973. Bristow played with the 76ers for two years
before signing with San Antonio as a free agent in 1975. He has also
played for Utah and Dallas before retiring following the 1982-83 season.
Littles said Bristow is knowledgeable about the game and has an eye
for talent, and agreed with Shinn that he will be an asset to the
Hornets organization and its effort to build a contender.
Bristow's employment completes the front office restructuring that
Shinn started after firing Dick Harter as the Hornets first coach last
January.
Littles took over as interim coach after Harter left. Shinn gave
him the option of being the permanent coach or returning to a front
office job, and Littles chose to remain as coach.
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| 8.1265 | | UPWARD::HEISER | If Dora Plays Like Me Alls Lost | Wed Apr 25 1990 15:57 | 72 |
| From: clarinews@clarinet.com (WILLIAM D. MURRAY, UPI Sports Writer)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Warriors come away disappointed, but optimistic
Date: 24 Apr 90 18:42:11 GMT
OAKLAND, Calif. (UPI) -- Golden State coach Don Nelson, disappointed
his club failed to make this year's NBA playoffs, unveiled the Warriors'
off-season recovery plans Tuesday.
Simply put, Golden State -- badly outrebounded all season long -- is
going to actively seek inside help whether it be through the draft or in
the free agent market.
``We have some second-round picks (three) and we certainly don't
want all of them, so we would like to, and will be active in, talking
with other clubs about the possibility of ... maneuvering around,''
Nelson said. ``Maybe it's up (in the draft), maybe it's down. We'll be
very active, trying to find the best way for us to get our needs
fulfilled.''
Coming into this season, the Warriors appeared to have their inside
game in fairly good shape. Alton Lister, a veteran 7-0 center, was
picked up in a trade with Seattle and power forward Jim Peterson was
obtained in a trade that sent Ralph Sampson to the Sacramento Kings.
But then Lister -- who had been relatively injury free his entire
career -- tore his Achilles Tendon and was lost for the year and Peterson
did not recover from off-season knee surgery.
The Warriors found themselves being pounded inside. Often starting
a lineup with no player taller than 6-8, Golden State struggled to
rebound and set an NBA record for fewest offensive rebounds in a season.
``It was a kind of wasted year really for Pete (Peterson),'' Nelson
said. ``He just struggled all year. He tells me he's got more, there's a
lot more there and we're going to see it next year.
``Nute (7-7 Manute Bol) was playing well at the end of the season
as he did last year. I'm not going to say he had a great year. He wasn't
quite as effective as he was the year before, but yet, what reserve
helps you win more games than Manute Bol?
``Alton Lister is not an All-Star center, either. He's not a
messiah that's going to come in here and all of a sudden win us 15 more
games. I'd say that talentwise he's better than the guys I was playing.
Not head and shoulders better, but better.''
In the void, the Warriors discovered power forward Tom Tolbert, a
rookie who was cut by the Charlotte Hornets. Tolbert averaged 8.8 points
and 4 rebounds a contest.
``Tom Tolbert was probably the biggest find of all simply because
he plays the position we needed most,'' Nelson said.
Other rookies also stood out for the Warriors. Point guard Tim
Hardaway, the club's top draft pick, established himself as a future
star. He averaged 14.7 points and 8.7 assists a contest.
Sarunas Marciulionis, a veteran of world amateur play with the
Soviet national team, adjusted to the pro game and averaged 12 points a
game.
``Hardaway is a special rookie,'' Nelson said. ``Sarunas, when you
think in terms of being a rookie, had some growing pains, but you could
see what he's all about and what kind of player he could be.''
As for stars Mitch Richmond and Chris Mullin, Nelson said they had
outstanding years. Richmond, last year's NBA Rookie of the Year,
improved in scoring average (22.1 points-per-game), field goal (.497)
and free throw shooting (.866) percentages.
Mullin, who was named to his second All-Star team, became the first
Warrior player since Nate Thurmond to lead the team in both scoring
(25.1 ppg) and rebounding (5.9 rpg).
No player in the 44-year history of the NBA has had a higher field
goal (.536) and free throw shooting (.889) percentage in the same season
than Mullin did this year.
``Mullin and Richmond had sensational years,'' Nelson said. ``You
just can't do any better than they did this season.''
On the whole though, Nelson says he never wants to go through
another year like this season. He no longer wants to rely on a ``small''
lineup.
``This still isn't the kind of basketball I want to play,'' Nelson
said. ``I don't just want to be a high-scoring team. I want to have some
times where we can go inside and call plays and run them effectively and
I want to be a fast-breaking team.''
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| 8.1266 | | UPWARD::HEISER | If Dora Plays Like Me Alls Lost | Wed Apr 25 1990 15:59 | 71 |
| From: clarinews@clarinet.com (IRA KAUFMAN, UPI Sports Writer)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: NBA Playoff Roundup
Date: 24 Apr 90 16:45:00 GMT
The only member of the Western Conference to slow the Laker Express
in the last decade is preparing for another shot at the perennial NBA
finalists.
Houston earned its sixth consecutive playoff berth Sunday by
beating Utah 100-88. The Rockets registered two playoff triumphs against
Los Angeles in the 1980s, denying the Lakers an opportunity to achieve
10 straight appearances in the league's championship series.
Barring a Richter scale upset, the Rockets figure to prove at least
one corporate maxim applies to the NBA -- last hired, first fired.
Houston was the last team to secure a postseason spot and the Rockets
were just 10-31 on the road this year. The Lakers, boasting the league's
top record overall (63-19) and at home (37-4), open the best-of-five
series Friday night at the Forum.
``The key was getting into the playoffs,'' Houston Coach Don Chaney
said. ``Now, we can wipe the slate clean. It's a new situation.''
The Rockets needed a victory and a Seattle loss Sunday. The
SuperSonics obliged by dropping a 124-122 decision at Golden State and
the teams ended up tied at 41-41; Houston advanced by virtue of a better
conference mark.
``When I heard Seattle lost, it made me want to play right then,''
says Houston guard Vernon Maxwell, who may be asked to shadow Magic
Johnson. ``There was a lot of talk in the locker room. We knew we had
another chance.''
Since Maxwell, who had 27 points Sunday, was inserted into the
starting lineup, the Rockets have won six of 10 games and lost two close
road contests. Laker centers Mychal Thompson and rookie Vlade Divac will
try to contain Houston's Akeem Olajuwon, who averages 24 points per game
and led the league in rebounding.
In the West's other first-round series, Midwest champion San
Antonio faces Denver Thursday at HemisFair Arena, Portland opens at home
Thursday against Dallas and Utah begins play Friday at the Salt Palace
against Phoenix. The Trail Blazers are seeded third in the West behind
the Lakers and San Antonio despite winning three more games than the
Spurs. Division champions receive the top two seeds in each conference.
Three Eastern Conference series begin Thursday, with defending NBA
champion Detroit at home against Indiana, Boston playing host to New
York and Atlantic Division champion Philadelphia facing Cleveland at the
Spectrum. Milwaukee opens up at Chicago Friday.
After the biggest turnaround season in NBA history, the 56-26 Spurs
are about to turn rookie center David Robinson loose on the 43-39
Nuggets, who counter with journeyman Joe Barry Carroll in the pivot.
Last season, the Spurs finished with a 21-61 record, the worst in
franchise history. Sunday's 108-93 victory completed a four-game sweep
of Phoenix and gave San Antonio a seven-game winning streak entering the
second season.
``It's a tremendous feeling to win the division,'' says Larry
Brown, completing his second year at the Spurs' helm. ``You can't be
anything but excited. I'm happy for the franchise and the town. It's
nice to win the last seven games rather than lose the last seven like
last year.''
The Spurs place their 34-7 home mark on the line against Denver,
which won only 15 of 41 road games during the regular season.
Phoenix, led by the scoring of Tom Chambers and the playmaking of
Kevin Johnson, will try to spring an upset at Utah, where the Jazz went
36-5.
``We were 3-1 against Utah this year,'' said Phoenix guard Jeff
Hornacek. ``San Antonio did the job. They shot great and got a lot of
leadership from Terry Cummings. They will be a tough team to hang with
in the playoffs.''
Portland, 35-6, at home, will take a four-game winning streak into
Thursday's opener against Dallas. The Mavericks, 47-35, also have won
four straight and they will need a big effort from forwards Roy Tarpley
and Sam Perkins. The Trail Blazers are the league's best rebounding team
and All-Star guard Clyde Drexler closed the regular season with a
flourish.
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| 8.1267 | | LEVERS::STROUT | chew electric death!!!! - spiff | Wed Apr 25 1990 16:00 | 26 |
| > What would the difference in ticket sales be if the game had
> been advertised that Magic and Worthy would not be playing?
Foresight is a wonderful thing, but as someone previously stated,
the only thing a ticket does guarantee is that you will see the
two teams headlined play an entire game of basketball.
A ticket does not guarantee a home team buzzer beating 136 lead
change win. It also does not guarantee that every player or any
of your favorites will play. Ultimately it is a game and it is
the decision of the coaches as to who plays.
Of course, if you know before hand that your favorite player/s
is injured you can try and get rid of the tickets where as if you
go to a game and find expect the players to play since they are
healthy.
Still, in the eyes of the coaches this is just one game in a
multitude and is therefore only viewed as that. Not as the only
game a fan may get to attend in the entire season. If Magic or
Worthy had been injured during the last game of the season people
would be denouncing Riley for making them play after they already
had everything wrapped up.
sean
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| 8.1268 | Stern :== Vince McMahon.... | CAM::WAY | Cumberland Mountain #9 | Wed Apr 25 1990 16:12 | 22 |
| I still think the entire thing is ludicrous.
I mean, who does Stern think he is, Vince McMahon?
How much would it have cost the Lakers had Magic and/or Worthy
been injured?
This Stern guy should get wif the program. I mean, what's next?
Is he going to fine a team because he doesn't like the person who's
singing the National Anthem? Why didn't he fine the Sixers(?)
lasted week when the girl forgot the lyrics to the Star Spangled
Banner (it was in Philly, right???)
Better yet, maybe he'll start dictating that all players must wear
Haines underwear, or be subject to a fine...
Or better yet, he's gonna start checking to see if the players are
having sex wif their significant other's during the season. I mean,
we all know that afletic performance goes down in yer havin' sex, right?
Get real!
'Saw
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| 8.1269 | | LEVERS::STROUT | chew electric death!!!! - spiff | Wed Apr 25 1990 16:17 | 17 |
|
HAHHAHA!! Rollward 'saw!!! 8^)
Actually, the lady who forgot the anthem was in NYC. All that
smog detriorated her brane, you know.
>Better yet, maybe he'll start dictating that all players must wear
>Haines underwear, or be subject to a fine...
I can see it now, Inspector #12 (that old mean lady, you know)
does a panty check on Charles Barkley, only to find a pair of rival
Fruit of the Looms which result in a bench clearing brawl (followed
by many "Vince" inspired suplex moves) resulting in a mandatory one
game suspension.
sean
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| 8.1270 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Wed Apr 25 1990 16:20 | 8 |
|
And the Piston's should be fined for Scott Hastings fighting with
the 76ers starters. Hell, one of the Pistons' other starters should have been
in there pounding away!!!!
JimH :-)
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| 8.1271 | | REFINE::ASHE | Miss America, USA, Playmate '90,& me | Wed Apr 25 1990 16:31 | 10 |
| Yeah, but Hastings was... and so were the teams, weren't they?
I could see them resting one starter, maybe 2, but 3 guys? If
you want to rest them, give them a half off? Portland's probably
p.o'd because they couldn't use it for a chance to try plays and
scout for the playoffs. What's $25K for the team anyway? Not much
when you get a TV contract the size of the national debt. Didn't
Utah get some kind a deal with the Celtics with home exhibition
games and guarantees with Ainge and Roberts playing for something
stupid like this a while back?
|
| 8.1272 | | SASE::SZABO | Freakin' Lunatics Club Cardholder | Wed Apr 25 1990 16:49 | 5 |
| 8.1273 | It's UnAmerican, it is... | CAM::WAY | Cumberland Mountain #9 | Wed Apr 25 1990 16:56 | 14 |
| Okay, I looked it up.
Right in the Declaration of Independence, in the long part that lists
the grievances against King George, it says that we're mad that the
English Skittles commissioner was dictating which skittles team
members would play in matches, on the teams in the Colonies.
Now, if we declared our independence from England over that (among
other things) then how can this Stern dude do something so un-American.
Actually, all the man did was confirm any notion that anyone had
the he is a number one horse's ass.....
'Saw
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| 8.1274 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | I adora Pia Zadora | Wed Apr 25 1990 16:56 | 9 |
| Come on Walt, if Portland doesn't know the Lakers tendencies
now they never will. Portland is po'd because they hyped the hell
out of the game and charged people big bucks to see it, then the
game means absolutely nothing. The next time management tries to
hype a regular season game the fans will be more wary, or I hope
they would be. It's not the amount of money but the principle
involved.
/Don
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| 8.1275 | | DOCTP::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Wed Apr 25 1990 17:02 | 6 |
| Walt, it was only two 2 players -- Magic and Worthy. Green played,
and Scott and Thompson are both out with injuries. Sheesh. You'd
think these people would have been satisfied just by seeing A.C.
Green. After all, he's a starting All-Star. :)
Laker_Ken
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| 8.1276 | Much Ado about Nothing | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Wed Apr 25 1990 17:06 | 17 |
| Portland doesn't need to hype any game, they've been sold out for
every game for about twice as long as the Celtics have been.
The game was more or less meaningless. The Lakers had wrapped up
the best record. Portland wasn't going to finish any higher or
lower. Why bother?
I agree that if Portland was going for the playoffs, it would have
been wrong for LA to have sat the guys out. If LA was trying to
get a draft lottery spot, it would have been wrong. Neither case
was true.
The league's objective (entertainment) clashed with the team's
objective (winning).
John
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| 8.1277 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Wed Apr 25 1990 17:08 | 13 |
|
RE: Allan Bristow
BIG loss for the Nuggets. The revolving door keeps spinning. Bristow
has been considered for the last couple of years as the guy to fill
Moe's shoes, eventually. Can't put the total blame on the Nuggets new
owners for this one, now there's a change. Bristow and his wife are
both from the south and there families live nearby. Great move for
Charlotte. Sheer is coming back to the Nuggets. He was the GM (?) a few
years ago.
HOOT
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| 8.1278 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | I adora Pia Zadora | Wed Apr 25 1990 17:10 | 5 |
| But John I believe they had sold some kind of pay per view package
to fans who couldn't be at the game. Like if Magic and Worthy played
the game would've been more meaningful. Like P.T. Barnum said...
/Don
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| 8.1279 | Now if the refs put the purple whistles aways | CNTROL::CHILDS | Save trees, cutdown a BUSH! | Wed Apr 25 1990 17:13 | 6 |
|
If something bad happened to the Lakers then it's got to be good...
;^)
mike
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| 8.1280 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | Sixers=Atlantic Div Champs | Wed Apr 25 1990 18:06 | 7 |
|
After hearing about the Laker's fine, the Sixers management ought to be
glad that Stern suspended Barkley for the last game. The got to rest him
without a $25K fine.
Dennis
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| 8.1281 | | LEVERS::STROUT | chew electric death!!!! - spiff | Wed Apr 25 1990 18:14 | 7 |
| Since he was suspended for a game that means 1/82nd
of his pay for this year's contract was revoked (divide millions
of dollars by 82 and that's what he lost... something around 50K
he said). The management lost zip.
You're right, the Sixers management did luck out. Do
you think he would have played if he wasn't suspended??
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| 8.1282 | You shoulda seen the Nets starting lineup at year's end. Ugh... | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Oh+ | Wed Apr 25 1990 18:46 | 9 |
| >I could see them resting one starter, maybe 2, but 3 guys? If
>you want to rest them, give them a half off?
Why? If the coach deemed it best to give all three guys the whole
game off, are you debating his right to do that or his strategy. To me
the strategy is just fine, and obviously the NBA is saying he hasn't
the right.
Dan
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| 8.1283 | | REFINE::ASHE | Miss America, USA, Playmate '90,& me | Wed Apr 25 1990 19:54 | 6 |
| I thought it was 3 according to the report (Thompson). I don't know,
I'm not blaming Riley. Give the bench some work, don't let them see
anything the Blazers can use in their scrimmages... don't give them
the sense that they can be beaten going into the playoffs.
-Walt
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| 8.1284 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | Sixers=Atlantic Div Champs | Wed Apr 25 1990 19:54 | 17 |
| re: 1281
The Sixer management lost $50K on the fine for the team. I think
Charles might not have played on Sunday because he has various nicks
(knee, back,groin) and then Herr Stern would have come down on the
Sixers. I guess the next thing for Stern is to set a minimum minutes
played for the starters. I can see it now... The Sixers up by 40
points at the start of the 4th quarter, but all the starters are still
in to meet the "Stern Quota". They could list it in the standing and
everthing. This is the same guy who wouldn't let Charles sit out the
All Star game with some nicks because he had played in the game before
the break. I hope he stays away from the NFL.
BTW - That bad guy Barkley has paid the fines for all of the Sixers in
the Rumble in Detroit. He said since they came off the bench to his
aid, it didn't seem right for them to be fined and besides "we're
family".
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| 8.1285 | | REFINE::ASHE | Miss America, USA, Playmate '90,& me | Wed Apr 25 1990 20:05 | 2 |
| Surprised the fans didn't kick in, like they did when Threatt
punched Ainge's lights out...
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| 8.1286 | Charles can afford it | GRANPA::DFAUST | Sixers=Atlantic Div Champs | Wed Apr 25 1990 20:26 | 7 |
|
I think Charles makes a little more than Sedale. After one of Barkley's
fines earlier in the season (he's had so many, it's hard to keep track)
he said "Well, I guess I'll have to make do with only $2.99 million."
Dennis
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| 8.1287 | | UPWARD::HEISER | Mr. Potato Head Groove Thing | Wed Apr 25 1990 20:42 | 240 |
| From: clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: NBA Playoff Capsules
Date: 24 Apr 90 20:16:25 GMT
Eastern Conference
Detroit Pistons
Coach -- Chuck Daly.
Finish -- 59-23; 4-1 vs. Indiana.
Starters -- sf-Dennis Rodman (8.7 ppg, 9.7 rpg); pf-James Edwards
(14.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg); c-Bill Laimbeer (12.1 ppg, 9.6 rpg); pg-Isiah
Thomas (18.4 ppg, 9.5 apg); og-Joe Dumars (17.8 ppg, 4.9 apg).
Bench -- g-Vinnie Johnson (9.8 ppg, 3.1 apg); f-Mark Aguirre (14.1
ppg, 3.9 rpg); f-John Salley (7.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg).
Key Stat -- Pistons closed the season at 8-8.
Outlook -- Defending champions tired late in year. But in 25-1
stretch before that they played the defense that was hallmark of the
championship team. Pistons have a chance to repeat, but they must
receive stellar play on defense and from backcourt.
Vs.
Indiana Pacers
Coach -- Dick Versace.
Finish -- 42-40; 1-4 vs. Detroit.
Starters -- sf-Chuck Person (19.6 ppg, 5.7 rpg); pf-Detlef Schrempf
(16.2 ppg, 7.9 rpg); c-Rik Smits (15.5 ppg, 6.2 rpg); pg-Vern Fleming
(14.3 ppg, 7.4 apg); og-Reggie Miller (24.4 ppg, 3.8 apg).
Bench -- f-LaSalle Thompson (6.7 ppg, 7.7 rpg).
Key Stat -- Pacers are 2-16 at Detroit the past six years and
winless in last 6 trips at the Palace.
Outlook -- Making the playoffs for only the third time in 14 years
and finishing a game shy of their best NBA win total was an achievement.
Detroit manhandled Indiana during season. Taking more than a game from
the Pistons would be a surprise, but expect a physical series.
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Philadelphia 76ers
Coach -- Jim Lynam.
Finish -- 53-29; 2-2 vs. Cleveland.
Starters -- sf-Charles Barkley (25.2 ppg, 11.5 rpg); pf-Rick Mahorn
(10.8 ppg, 7.5 rpg); c-Mike Gminski (13.7 ppg, 8.4 rpg); pg-Johnny
Dawkins (14.3 ppg, 7.4 apg); og-Hersey Hawkins (18.5 ppg, 3.2 apg).
Bench -- f-Ron Anderson (11.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg), g-Derek Smith (8.9 ppg,
2.3 rpg).
Key Stat -- Philadelphia finished with a 34-7 record at home this
season, 23-4 against the Eastern Conference.
Outlook -- Cleveland presents problems with its size up front and
the floor leadership of Mark Price. Philadelphia handled Cavaliers when
they were missing several injured players but struggled against their
full team. Series should go five and Philadelphia should prevail with
home-court advantage.
Vs.
Cleveland Cavaliers
Coach -- Lenny Wilkens.
Finish -- 42-40; 2-2 vs. Philadelphia.
Starters -- sf-Winston Bennett (6.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg); pf-Larry Nance
(16.3 ppg, 8.3 rpg); c-Brad Daugherty (16.8 ppg, 9.1 rpg); pg-Mark Price
(19.6 ppg, 9.1 apg); og-Craig Ehlo (13.6 ppg, 4.6 apg).
Bench -- f-John ``Hot Rod'' Williams (16.8 ppg, 8.1 rpg); g-Steve
Kerr (6.7 ppg).
Key Stat -- Cavaliers have won just one playoff series in franchise
history.
Outlook -- Cavaliers are healthy and finished season strong, winning
six straight and 17 of last 23. Lack consistent scoring at off guard and
small forward. Beating Philadelphia would be difficult, but is possible.
Coach -- Phil Jackson.
Finish -- 55-27; 4-1 vs. Milwaukee.
Starters -- sf-Scottie Pippen (16.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg); pf-Horace Grant
(13.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg); c-Bill Cartwright 11.4 ppg, 6.5 rpg); pg-John
Paxson (10 ppg, 4.1 apg); og-Michael Jordan (33.6 ppg, 6.3 apg).
Bench -- f/c-Stacey King (8.9 ppg, 4.7 rpg).
Key Stat -- Bulls went 36-5 at Chicago Stadium, the best home record
in the conference.
Outlook -- The Bulls, playing at a fast tempo under Jackson,
finished with the second best record in franchise history and best since
1971-72. Must not let Horace Grant's contract gripes spill onto court.
As last year's playoffs showed, with Jordan playing anything can happen.
Vs.
Milwaukee Bucks
Coach -- Del Harris.
Finish -- 44-38; 1-4 vs. Chicago.
Starters -- sf-Brad Lohaus (10.0 ppg, 5.5 rpg); pf-Fred Roberts
(10.5 ppg, 3.8 rpg); c-Jack Sikma (13.9 ppg, 6.9 rpg); pg-Jay Humphries
(15.3 ppg, 5.8 apg); og-Alvin Robertson (14.2 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 5.5 apg).
Bench -- g-Ricky Pierce (23.0 ppg, 2.3 apg).
Key Stat -- Bucks have lost 15 of last 17 regular-season games with
Bulls.
Outlook -- Robertson, a defensive specialist, needs to slow Jordan.
Weak perimeter shooting must improve. Milwaukee rid itself of veterans
before season, but is still laden with playoff-experienced players.
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Boston Celtics
Coach -- Jimmy Rodgers.
Finish -- 52-30; 3-1 vs. New York.
Starters -- sf-Larry Bird (24.3 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 7.4 apg); pf-Kevin
McHale (20.9 ppg, 8.1 rpg); c-Robert Parish (15.9 ppg, 10.0 rpg);
pg-Dennis Johnson (7.0 ppg, 6.5 apg); og-Reggie Lewis (16.9 ppg, 2.6
apg).
Bench -- g-Jim Paxson (6.3 ppg, 1.8 apg); g-John Bagley (4.3 ppg,
5.5 apg); c-Joe Kleine (5.3 ppg, 4.3 rpg).
Key Stat -- Boston set NBA record for free-throw accuracy, hitting
..832 of their attempts.
Outlook -- Celtics have played much better in past six weeks. On
offense, Bird is back in his preferred spot next to the lane. Boston
should have minimal difficulties with New York, but season will likely
end in the second round if Detroit is the opponent.
Vs.
New York Knicks
Coach -- Stu Jackson.
Finish -- 45-37; 1-3 vs. Boston.
Starters -- sf-Kiki Vandeweghe (11.7 ppg, 2.4 rpg); pf-Charles
Oakley (14.6 ppg, 11.9 rpg); c-Patrick Ewing (28.6 ppg, 10.9 rpg);
pg-Maurice Cheeks (9.7 ppg, 5.6 apg); og-Gerald Wilkins (14.5 ppg, 4.5
rpg, 4.0 apg).
Bench -- g-Mark Jackson (9.9 ppg, 7.3 apg); f-Johnny Newman (12.9
ppg, 2.4 rpg); f-Kenny Walker (7.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg).
Key Stat -- Last year's Atlantic Division champs lost 20 of final
30.
Outlook -- Listless Knicks are hoping for a boost with the return
Oakley (broken thumb). Patrick Ewing can dominate but rest of the team
cannot sit back and watch. New York is 0-24 at Boston Garden, a jinx
dating to 1984.
Western Conference
Los Angeles Lakers
Coach -- Pat Riley.
Finish -- 63-19; 2-2 vs. Houston.
Starters -- sf-James Worthy (21.1 ppg, 5.9 rpg); pf-A.C. Green (12.9
ppg, 8.6 rpg); c-Mychal Thompson (10.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg); pg-Magic Johnson
(22.3 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 11.0 apg); og-Byron Scott (15.5 ppg, 3.6 apg).
Bench -- g-Michael Cooper (6.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg); c-Vlade Divac (8.5
ppg, 6.2 rpg); f-Orlando Woolridge (12.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg).
Key Stat -- Own homecourt advantage throughout playoffs.
Outlook -- Lakers hardly flinched in first season without Kareem
Abdul-Jabbar. Johnson playing at MVP level and is one of league's best
shooters with game on the line. Injuries will determine team's run to
third title in four years.
Vs.
Houston Rockets
Coach -- Don Chaney.
Finish -- 41-41; 2-2 vs. Los Angeles.
Starters -- sf-Buck Johnson (14.8 ppg, 4.7 rpg); pf-Otis Thorpe
(17.1 ppg, 9.0 rpg); c-Akeem Olajuwon (24.3 ppg, 14.0 rpg); pg-Eric
Floyd (12.2 ppg, 7.3 apg); og-Vernon Maxwell (9.0 ppg, 3.8 apg).
Bench -- g-Mitchell Wiggins (15.5 ppg, 4.3 rpg); f-Larry Smith (3.0
ppg, 6.1 rpg).
Key Stat -- 6-6 vs. division winners.
Outlook -- Olajuwon is the first player to lead the NBA in
rebounding and blocks since Bill Walton in 1977. But for the Rockets to
succeed they must play aggressively, something they have been unable to
do consistently.
------
San Antonio Spurs
Coach -- Larry Brown.
Finish -- 47-35; 3-1 vs. Denver.
Starters -- sf-Willie Anderson (15.4 ppg, 4.6 rpg); pf-Terry
Cummings (22.9 ppg, 8.5 rpg), c-David Robinson (24.2 ppg, 11.9 rpg);
pg-Rod Strickland (10.2 ppg, 5.6 apg); og-Sean Elliott (9.9 ppg, 1.8
apg).
Bench -- f-Frank Brickowski 6.6 ppg, 4.1 rpg); g-David Wingate 6.8
ppg, 2.5 apg).
Key Stat -- Won 35 more games than it did last year, the biggest
one-season improvement in NBA history.
Outlook -- Spurs underwent overhaul this season and produced great
results. But how will they handle the playoffs? As good as Robinson is,
he probably needs a year of seasoning before Spurs can seriously
challenge for conference title.
Vs.
Denver Nuggets
Coach -- Doug Moe.
Finish -- 43-39; 1-3 vs. San Antonio.
Starters -- sf-Alex English (17.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg); pf-Jerome Lane (5.0
ppg, 5.4 rpg); c-Joe Barry Carroll (11.9 ppg, 6.4 rpg); pg-Michael Adams
(15.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg); og-Lafayette Lever (18.3 ppg, 9.3 rpg).
Bench -- c-Blair Rasmussen (12.4 ppg, 7.3 rpg); pf-Danny Schayes
(10.4 ppg, 6.5 rpg); sf-Walt Davis (17.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg).
Key Stat -- Averaged league-low 13.9 turnovers per game, while
causing a league-high 18.9.
Outlook -- Nuggets have not advanced past first round since 1985-86
season. Won four of five on final road trip to squeeze into playoffs,
but probably would have been better off with lottery pick.
Coach -- Rick Adelman.
Finish -- 59-23; 4-0 vs. Dallas.
Starters -- sf-Jerome Kersey (16.0 ppg, 8.4 rpg); pf-Buck Williams
(13.6 ppg, 9.8 rpg); c-Kevin Duckworth (16.2 ppg, 6.2 rpg); pg-Terry
Porter (17.6 ppg, 9.1 apg); og-Clyde Drexler (23.3 ppg, 5.9 apg, 6.9
rpg).
Bench --f-Cliff Robinson (9.1 ppg, 3.8 rpg); g-Drazen Petrovic (7.6
ppg, 1.7 apg).
Key Stat -- Blazers have advanced past the first round of the
playoffs just twice since winning championship in 1977.
Outlook -- Set club record for victories and seem to have best
chemistry since the championship season. Portland is at its best when it
runs. Its game drops when it goes to a half-court offense, which most
teams use in postseason.
Vs.
Dallas Mavericks
Coach -- Richie Adubato.
Finish -- 47-35; 0-4 vs. Portland.
Starters -- sf-Roy Tarpley (16.9 ppg, 13.3rpg); pf-Sam Perkins (15.9
ppg, 7.5 rpg); c-James Donaldson 9.1 ppg, 8.7 rpg); pg-Derek Harper
(18.1 ppg, 7.4 apg); og-Rolando Blackman (19.5 ppg, 3.6 apg).
Bench -- f-Herb Williams (8.6 ppg, 4.9 apg); g-Steve Alford (3.9
ppg, 0.9 apg).
Key Stat -- Has won 15 games this season when trailing at start of
final period.
Outlook -- An up-and-down year marked by Tarpley's two suspensions.
Backup guard Brad Davis pulled hamstring in final game and his loss will
be critical. Mavericks, without Tarpley and Perkins, lost all its games
to Portland.
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Utah Jazz
Coach -- Jerry Sloan.
Finish -- 55-27; 1-3 vs. Phoenix.
Starters -- sf-Thurl Bailey (14.2 ppg, 5.0 rpg); pf-Karl Malone
(31.0 ppg, 11.1 rpg); c-Mark Eaton 4.8 ppg, 7.3 rpg); pg-John Stockton
(17.2 ppg, 14.5 apg); og-Bobby Hansen (7.6 ppg, 1.8 apg).
Bench -- g-Blue Edwards (8.9 ppg, 1.8 apg); g-Darrell Griffith (8.9
ppg, 0.8 apg); f-Mike Brown (6.2 ppg, 4.5 rpg).
Key Stat -- Led the NBA field-goal percentage (.505), which may have
helped Utah avoid more than a two-game losing streak during the regular
season.
Outlook -- Jazz, behind Malone and Stockton, enjoyed its best
season. Utah still susceptible to half-court trap defenses and clubs
that double-team Stockton. Jazz ended season losing seven of their final
12 games.
Vs.
Phoenix Suns
Coach -- Cotton Fitzsimmons.
Finish -- 54-28; 3-1 vs. Utah.
Starters -- sf-Tom Chambers (27.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg); pf-Kurt Rambis (5.4
ppg, 7.0 rpg); c-Mark West (10.5 ppg, 8.9 rpg); pg-Kevin Johnson (22.5
ppg, 11.4 apg); og-Jeff Hornacek (17.6 ppg, 5.0 apg).
Bench -- f-Eddie Johnson (16.9 ppg, 3.8 rpg); g-Dan Majerle (11.1
ppg, 2.6 apg).
Key Stat -- First 50-game winner not to gain first-round homecourt
advantage since NBA expanded to 16-team playoff in 1983-84.
Outlook -- Suns are 12-9 since mid-March when injuries struck
Hornacek, Majerle, Chambers and Rambis. All are back for playoffs, but
their absences have affected timing. Phoenix has a chance to get by
Jazz.
|
| 8.1288 | | UPWARD::HEISER | Mr. Potato Head Groove Thing | Thu Apr 26 1990 19:27 | 69 |
| From: clarinews@clarinet.com (RICHARD LUNA, UPI Sports Writer)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Spurs face Nuggets in first round
Date: 25 Apr 90 19:54:01 GMT
SAN ANTONIO, Texas (UPI) -- The San Antonio Spurs, who made the
biggest one-season improvement in NBA history, enter the playoffs as the
hottest team in the league.
Yet, there is some question whether they are ready to challenge the
Los Angeles Lakers for the Western Conference championship.
The Spurs, the No. 2 seed, begin their quest for the title with a
best-of-five, first-round playoff series Thursday against seventh seed
Denver. Game 2 is Saturday in HemisFair Arena before the series shifts
to Denver.
``Last year was like the Bataan death march,'' said Spurs Coach
Larry Brown, whose team has won 10 of its last 13 games and seven
straight. ``We were pitiful.''
The Spurs finished the regular season 56-26, a 35-game turnaround
from a 1988-89 campaign in which they were 21-61 while awaiting the
arrival of center David Robinson. The former Navy star was the Spurs No.
1 draft pick in 1987, but the club had to wait while Robinson completed
his military commitment.
With only two players -- starting forward Willie Anderson and
reserve Frank Brickowski -- left from last season, Robinson led the Spurs
to the Midwest Division title.
There is little doubt the Spurs have the second-best talent in the
conference, but is one season together enough to put together a team
capable of winning four rounds in the playoffs?
``They should be good enough to beat us,'' said Denver Coach Doug
Moe, whose team was 1-3 against the Spurs this season. ``They're better
than us, as they proved all year. They may play like they're not
mortals.''
San Antonio should survive the first-round matchup with Denver,
43-39, a perennial playoff team that seems to underachieve in the
post-season. Denver has failed to advance past the first round since
1986.
``I don't think we match up too well because they have better
athletes,'' said guard Fat Lever. ``But we like being the underdog.
We're not ready for the season to end by any means.''
Denver may be at even more of a disadvantage if reserve center
Danny Schayes is questionable because of a sprained ankle. He suffered
the injury when he came down on Robinson's foot in the Nuggets'
next-to-last regular season game and his absence is bound to hurt the
Nuggets in their attempt to defense Robinson.
Robinson leads the Spurs in scoring with 24.2 points a game, and
11.9 rebounds a game, the second-best rebounding clip in the NBA.
Robinson skipped Tuesday's practice because of acute tendonitis
causing him pain in his left knee, but rested just as a precaution.
``We figured I should rest. My knee has been a little sore the last
couple of days,'' Robinson said. ``I'm just trying to relax. These last
two days we've just been real pleased with the division championship.
Today is the first day I've thought about going out and beating
Denver.''
Rookie forward Sean Elliot also has been experiencing ankle
soreness during the past two days, but both are expected to be ready by
Thursday.
Robinson and Anderson played in all 82 regular-season games, while
Elliott missed only one game.
Denver does not hesitate to shoot the ball, and guards Michael
Adams (15.5 points a game) and Lafayette Lever (18.3 ppg) can be
dangerous when they are hot.
Denver does play smart basketball, averaging a league-low 13.9
turnovers per game, while causing a league-high 18.9.
Denver won four of five on its final road trip to make the
playoffs, but they simply do not match up well with the Spurs.
``Robinson's really the only big one, but he can do the damage of
twp or three guys himself,'' said Moe. ``We don't want to be too small
in there against them.''
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| 8.1290 | | LEVERS::STROUT | chew electric death!!!! - spiff | Fri Apr 27 1990 13:07 | 13 |
| Could someone post the scores for last night's games? thanks.
Portland beat Dallas (1-0)
San Antonio beat Denver (1-0)
Boston beat NY (1-0)
Philadelphia beat Cleveland (1-0)
Detroit beat Indiana (1-0)
Tonight is:
Milwaukee at Chicago
Houston at Los Angeles
Phoenix at Utah
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| 8.1291 | Hoop scores | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Out of office til 5/9/90 | Fri Apr 27 1990 13:12 | 5 |
| Detroit 104 Indy 92
Boston 116 NY 105
Philly 111 Clevel 106
San Anton 119 Denver 103
Portland 109 Dallas 102
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| 8.1292 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | Sixers=Atlantic Div Champs | Fri Apr 27 1990 13:18 | 11 |
|
re: television coverage
TNT carried the Celtic/Knicks game last night, and CBS will have
doubleheaders (I think) tommorrow and Sunday.
If the coverage is anything like last year, you'll get all the
basketball you want from TNT.
Dennis
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| 8.1293 | | SASE::SZABO | Freakin' Lunatics Club Cardholder | Fri Apr 27 1990 14:19 | 8 |
| 8.1294 | | LEVERS::STROUT | chew electric death!!!! - spiff | Fri Apr 27 1990 14:33 | 9 |
| 8.1295 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | This note good while supplies last... | Mon Apr 30 1990 12:11 | 30 |
| I want the names and phone numbers of all of you rascals who thought
that Pat Ewing is a better center than Akeem !
Thoughts on the Lakers and Rockets :
1) If Houston had a real point guard, they would have won at least
one of the two games in LA.
2) Don Chaney is not completely to blam (tm) for the Rockets situation.
3) Vernon Maxwell looks like a PLAYER !
4) Ray Patterson needs to be run outta town on a rail.
5) Akeem's game has really improved as far as passing goes.
6) In the Houston/LA series, the home team has won every game. Hence,
I feel that this can still go 5 games.
7) The Rockets need a point guard.
8) The Rockets need a ballhandler.
9) The Rockets could use another defense stopper.
10) Is Otis Thorpe overrated ?
11) The Rockets need a point guard.
DrM
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| 8.1296 | LA,DET,BOS know how to win | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Mon Apr 30 1990 12:28 | 12 |
| re - 1 Houston-LA
The Lakers look very slow getting to loose balls. The difference
between LA,Detroit,Boston and the rest of the league is that these
teams know how tio win at the end. It takes a long time to master this.
Detroit had to learn against Boston in those frustrating playoff
losses. Same with LA. Boston always seems to have the knack of winning
the games that are up for grabs.
LA's weapon is Magic. He just won't let them lose. Worthy ain't bad
either.
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| 8.1297 | | LEVERS::STROUT | chew electric death!!!! - spiff | Mon Apr 30 1990 12:29 | 26 |
| Doc, I think you'll find all those Ewing's better than Akeem
rabblers have gotten unlisted numbers 8^)
But seriously, Akeem's game has gotten better this season whereas
Ewing's tapered off. If we were to go on the first half of the
season alone it would be a very close call as to who is better.
Ewing played his best ball ever and NY was winning the big games.
As the second half approached, Akeem seemed to pick up his game
a notch, especially on the defensive end. He still has trouble
offensively with the double and triple team (who wouldn't? 8^).
Overall, Akeem has really impressed me this season. I think
he finished at 14 rebounds and 24.3 ppg with somewhere between 4-5
blocks per game. He recorded a quad double once and almost twice!!
I was very impressed that Houston did not take a dive to enter the
lottery and fought out 2 tough wins in the end of the season over
Utah to get into the playoffs and draw the unenviable task of facing
the Lakers. Great job Akeem and co.!!
BTW, not being a Thorpe Jihad Member, I have been very impressed
all the times I have seen him play. I think he is a much better
version of a Horace Grant, both in rebounding and scoring. Maybe
if Grant wants to leave Chicago can make a deal???? 8^) I didn't
think so...
sean
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| 8.1298 | Lakers defense = college rules.... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Have u ever seen a President do less? | Mon Apr 30 1990 12:37 | 14 |
|
why oh why did the Rockets turn off the motors in the second half?
if your going to beat the Lakers and you don't have an overpowering
half court game then the best way is to run them into the ground so
they can't setup that 1-3-1 zone defense that they're famous for.
it certainly hurt that Lakers did start to find the range in the
second half and to retreat defensively a bit better but more than
once in the second half when the Rockets ran the results were good.
it's a shame that the league has a set of rules for some team and
a different set for the Lakers....
mike
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| 8.1299 | | DOCTP::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Mon Apr 30 1990 12:48 | 3 |
| Re. .1298 --
What a whiner! You sound like Danny Ainge or Bill Laimbeer.
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| 8.1300 | Ewing is better than Akeem. The Kincks play a tougher team. | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Say it ain't so Crusty... | Mon Apr 30 1990 12:53 | 1 |
|
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| 8.1301 | Choices... | LEVERS::STROUT | chew electric death!!!! - spiff | Mon Apr 30 1990 12:58 | 6 |
| > < Note 8.1300 by AXIS::ROBICHAUD "Say it ain't so Crusty..." >
HAHAHHHA!!!! /Don!!!! Actually, wasn't it spelt Krusty????
Itchy and Scratchy were a riot!
BTW, Akeem is better, Ewing is to BLAM!!! 8^)
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| 8.1302 | My hero | SAGE::ROSS | Liquid lunch | Mon Apr 30 1990 12:59 | 1 |
| Dat James Worthy is some ballplayer, eh?
|
| 8.1303 | | LEVERS::STROUT | chew electric death!!!! - spiff | Mon Apr 30 1990 13:01 | 2 |
| What did he shoot Friday, somefun like 17-22???? When the playoffs
come around, Jaymz delivers.
|
| 8.1304 | no whinner, just looking for equality | CNTROL::CHILDS | Have u ever seen a President do less? | Mon Apr 30 1990 13:07 | 13 |
|
but Tess, that's my job in life. never give the Fakers credit...
I slipped up during the middle of the year and actually said some
good things about them but not anymore.....
and there's still no way in h-e-double hockey sticks you can deny the
Lakers play zone, yet here's Houston a little out of posistion and a
guy frantically going to cover his man and a whistle. Houston gets the
ball goes down court, Mawell's out beyond the three point line and
everyone from the Lakers is below the foul line for enternity and no
whistle it's rediculous......
mike
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| 8.1305 | | LEVERS::STROUT | chew electric death!!!! - spiff | Mon Apr 30 1990 13:11 | 4 |
| Mike, I hate to agree wif you but I think you're assessment
is right. The Lakers were mugging Akeem with an illegal zone at
times. You still got to admire them for coming back from a 17 point
deficit, though.
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| 8.1306 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | This note good while supplies last... | Mon Apr 30 1990 13:13 | 19 |
| Mike, you know that I'm not going to cut either team slack, but
it must be said that I didn't see a lot of illegal d by LA. Houston
did get a BS call with in the 3rd with the illegal D.
The plain and simple fact is that the Rockets are a lousy passing
team, and when there were some good passes, some players had a case
of Brickhands .....
Put a good point guard on the Rockets, and they would be the team
of the 90's ....
BTW, where is Doug Ross ?
That James Worthy - how one-dimensional can you get ? ;-)
Has anybody seen Magic get crammed the way Akeem did him - TWICE ?
And Orlando looked like a 6MoTY candiate - especially with the jam
over Thorpe ....
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| 8.1307 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Say it ain't so Crusty... [sic] | Mon Apr 30 1990 13:19 | 4 |
| Check out .1302 Doc. Doug's a man who shows up in here no matter
what. Unlike others... 8^)
/Don
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| 8.1308 | | CAM::WAY | A fool's bolt is soon shot | Mon Apr 30 1990 13:41 | 18 |
| Homer Simpson -- ain't no hero! 8^)
Kind of off the playoff subject, I caught a part of that NBA History
thing on HBO last night...
While people know that I like Larry Bird (I admire his work ethic, for
one thing) I was reminded again last night why Dr J was my other
runaway favorite hoops player.
The man was incredible, simply incredible. In addition to being
one helluva hoops player, he was extremely articulate, and displayed
a tremendous amount of class....
Just felt like saying that...
We miss ya Dr J!
'Saw
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| 8.1309 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Mon Apr 30 1990 13:53 | 3 |
|
I saw that too, 'Saw. Good show! Lotsa good clips. Noone could handle a
ball like Pistol Pete. Incredible!
|
| 8.1310 | | UPWARD::HEISER | Mr. Potato Head Groove Thing | Mon Apr 30 1990 14:39 | 11 |
| Re: Houston's point guard
I didn't watch the game, but isn't Sleepy a point guard? Is he
playing?
Re: Home team winning in Houston series
Outside of yesterday's Suns-Jazz game, the home team has won ALL
playoff games!
Mike
|
| 8.1311 | | LEVERS::STROUT | chew electric death!!!! - spiff | Mon Apr 30 1990 14:46 | 10 |
| Things will definitely change the next step in the plyoffs series
as far as home court records go. I wouldn't be surprised to see the
east go 3-0 for all 4 series. I think Detroit and Boston will
definitely do it. Chicago and Philadelphia could have a tougher
time.
In the West, I expect only LA to sweep. Dallas and Denver are
too good to get swept at home.
Put the home team record at 18-6 after all game 3's.
|
| 8.1312 | 10 low post moves to 1 | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Oh+ | Mon Apr 30 1990 15:50 | 6 |
| >I want the names and phone numbers of all of you rascals who thought
>that Pat Ewing is a better center than Akeem !
Right here. And I stick by it.
Dan
|
| 8.1313 | Clearly! | SASE::SZABO | | Mon Apr 30 1990 15:51 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1314 | Twee!! Foul. Invading Larry's airspace buffer! | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Oh+ | Mon Apr 30 1990 15:53 | 8 |
| >it's a shame that the league has a set of rules for some team and
>a different set for the Lakers....
Yeah, I agree. The refs let the defense clutch and grab a lot more
when the Lakers have the ball. Thankfully, the Lakers win these games
anyway.
Dan
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| 8.1315 | Any real Celtic fan would chose Patrick in this one | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Oh+ | Mon Apr 30 1990 15:56 | 7 |
| >Ewing is better than Akeem.
Hey /Don, what made you come around to the side of reason? I thought
you held patrick responsible for the NY media or something the last
time around.
Dan
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| 8.1316 | | LEVERS::STROUT | chew electric death!!!! - spiff | Mon Apr 30 1990 16:06 | 24 |
| > -< Any real Celtic fan would chose Patrick in this one >-
Why's that? Clearly Akeem has played the most consistent, better
ball this season. Ewing had a heck of a first half, and if it was
that alone it would be too close to call, but overall Akeem proved
to be the better center. His defense is much better, offensively,
the slight edge goes to Ewing.
The way I see it. Akeem led his team from lottery time to the
playoffs against some pretty stiff competition. Ewing, with an
injured Oakley faltered from the top spot in the Atlantic down to
third. Ewing supporters said that the reason Ewing didn't have
bigger numbers in the rebounding and block shot categories was because
of Oakley... I didn't see much of a change in Ewing's stats when
Oakley was out. The same could be said for Akeem, I guess. If
Thorpe wasn't stealing rebound and blocking shots he could have
even bigger stats.
Ultimately, in a close contest I'd have to pick Akeem as center
of the year over Ewing. I just feel that he has been more dominant
in that position. Ewing had his best season ever, but I have to
believe that Akeem had his best season ever also (have to check
on that one). IMO, Akeem at his best is better than Ewing at his
best. BTW, this is not to downgrade Ewing at all.
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| 8.1317 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Mon Apr 30 1990 16:08 | 7 |
| The New York media would have you believe that Patrick was
responsible for the Eastern Bloc tumbling down. I hold the New
York media responsible for making him a deity. I always said he
was a great player. But he wasn't the MVP this year, and neither
was Akeem.
/Don
|
| 8.1318 | Hank Finkel > Patrick + Akeem | SASE::SZABO | | Mon Apr 30 1990 16:11 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1319 | yeah this is me | CNTROL::PCMCTL | | Mon Apr 30 1990 16:14 | 16 |
| >it's a shame that the league has a set of rules for some team and
>a different set for the Lakers....
>> Yeah, I agree. The refs let the defense clutch and grab a lot more
>> when the Lakers have the ball. Thankfully, the Lakers win these games
anyway.
Dan
See Dan there's the difference between you and me. I do see the Celts
get favorable calls at home and freely admit to them, but not you, no
way do the Lakers ever get a break....hahhaaaaaa
;^)
mike
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| 8.1320 | | LEVERS::STROUT | chew electric death!!!! - spiff | Mon Apr 30 1990 16:16 | 20 |
| /Don and others,
Who would be your pick for MVP this year? Include top 5.
1. Akeem Olajuwon
2. Charles Barkley
3. Magic Johnson
4. Karl Malone
5. Michael Jordan
My Akeem choice is personal... I just think he played the best
ball of anyone this season. Barkley is the media's favorite,
and I have no argument if he gets it, he deserves it for the
great season he has had. Johnson and Jordan are the perennial
favorites, neither had super "outstanding" seasons in their
terms, but an average season for either of these two is MVP
material. Malone was my other favorite. Got robbed in the
All Star selection. Had a great scoring season.
sean
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| 8.1321 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Mon Apr 30 1990 16:20 | 10 |
|
1. Charles Barkley
1A. Magic Johnson
3. Michael Jordan
4. Patrick Ewing
5. Akeem Olajuwon
Why? Because that's the way I sees it.
/Don
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| 8.1322 | | RSST6::RIGGEN | Burley from biking | Mon Apr 30 1990 16:27 | 7 |
|
1. Akeem Olajuwon
2. Charles Barkley
3. Magic Johnson
4. Jordan
5. David Robinson
|
| 8.1323 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Have u ever seen a President do less? | Mon Apr 30 1990 16:42 | 30 |
|
Here Doc here's some graphic help for you.....
o = lakers
x = rockets
x on offense, o o on defense
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| | | o |
| | o o |x | x < or this
| x | | | guy
| | o | |
| -------------------- o |
| |
\ /
\ x /
\ /
\-----------------------------------------------/
x
^
Who's guarding this guy
1. Barkley
2. Akeem
3. Jordan
4. Bird
5. Lewis
mike
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| 8.1324 | "Akeem is triple-teamed. He shoots anyway." | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Oh+ | Mon Apr 30 1990 16:44 | 34 |
| >Ewing had a heck of a first half, and if it was
>that alone it would be too close to call, but overall Akeem proved
>to be the better center. His defense is much better, offensively,
>the slight edge goes to Ewing.
I recognize these as your opinions, Sean, and since you state that you
like Akeem as MVP for personal reasons, I'll allow you your opinions.
But in reality, Ewing had a much better first half than Akeem. I see
them nearly as equals on the defensive end of the court. They both are
the big guy in the middle who their teammates try to push everything
toward. They both block a lot of shots (Akeem was narrowly ahead in
the stats, but not much difference there). Akeem is the quicker
rebounder and gets more boards by coming back after going for the
block. Ewing has a premeire rebounding power forward on his line,
which helps in that regard. If there playing man, though, I give
Patrick an advantage because he's a better position defender and he
doesn't give up so many silly fouls as Akeem.
But on the offensive end, it's not even close. You call it a slight
edge for Ewing; I call it big. I made the reference to "real Celtic
fans", the kind who can appreciate just what a Larry Bird brings to the
team (or at least, used to). Ball movement, when to pass, how to work
for a better shot, how to avoid the double team. Ewing grades out much
much higher than Akeem in these intangibles which only show up in the
win column. And once they are going to shoot? Well Akeem only does
two things. He can dunk, or he can spin right for the turn-around
falling away from the basket. Meanwhile Patrick probably has more low
post moves than any other center in basketball. And all that from NO
offensive game when he came into the league.
He'll keep getting better.
Dan
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| 8.1325 | | UPWARD::HEISER | Mr. Potato Head Groove Thing | Mon Apr 30 1990 17:03 | 3 |
| Re: Sweeps in the West
Phoenix would've swept Utah if KJ was healthy for game 1!
|
| 8.1326 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Mon Apr 30 1990 18:27 | 17 |
|
MVP
1) Jordan
2) Akeem
3) Barkley
4) Johnson
5) Mailman
Best Centers
1) Akeem
2) Robinson
3) Ewing
(not many top centers around today)
|
| 8.1327 | Pierce is 6th | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Mon Apr 30 1990 19:45 | 10 |
| MVP
1) Johnson
1) Jordan
1) Barkley
1b) Akeem
In the meanwhile, Ricky Pierce just won the 6th man award. Detlef
Schrempf (sp?) was 2nd.
TTom
|
| 8.1328 | | 7983::RIEU | Stanley, won't you please come home! | Tue May 01 1990 10:08 | 6 |
| 1. Barkley
2. Jordan
3. Ewing
4. Magic
5. D.Robinson
Denny
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| 8.1329 | Akeem is THE MAN - case closed. | LUNER::BROOKS | This note good while supplies last... | Tue May 01 1990 11:54 | 68 |
| re .1324
First the Namath silliness, now this :
Dan, you obviously haven't been watching the same series as most
of the nation - because Akeem has consistently been hitting the
open man when he's been doubled and triple-teamed. Perhaps your
NY bias has blinded you. In the lst two years, Akeem has become
more and more proficient at looking for the open man, and hitting
him.
As far as rebounding goes, all of the excuses in the world doesn't
negate the fact that Akeem has always been the superior rebounder.
Period. Oakley hasn't always been a Knick, and Ewing, to my knowledge
has NEVER averaged double figures in rebounds (MAYBE one season
at best - his career avg is defintely < 10 rbg). The fact of the
matter is that Ewing is a at best, average boards man.
And you, yourself admit that Ewing's style of defense isn't an excuse.
Akeem gets more blocks AND rebounds than Ewing.
Scoring Moves :
MYTH : Ewing had no offensive game in college.
Wrong. Ewing had a solid game in college, but with all of the sagging
zones that Ewing faced, did it make sense for him to force his offense ?
For the most part, the answer had to be no. And I think Thompson's
decision was right, and the Hoyas success proves it. Scouts projected
PE as a 20ppg scorer, with the potental to improve on that, which
of course Ewing did. Ewings explosion this year is simply the result
of seeing the ball more on offense, as in the Pitino system, Pat
was just another option.
Dan : Ewing has more moves.
Reply : So what ? Wilt had the finger-roll, the fall-away, and the
Dipper Dunk - not much of an aresnal huh ?
Kareem pretty much had the Skyhook.
Now are going to tell me that they are inferior scorers to Akeem ?
FWIW, Akeem has much more than the turnaround. He can drop step
around you, his quickness can let him drive by many centers, and
he can fire that turnaround going either direction.
Why don't you quote scoring averages for both men for me, eh Dan ?
It's like that old saying, "A few tricks well-master, is better
than a dozen half-learned."
Finally, Akeem has only been playing this game for about 9 years.
Total. Yes, I know we can forget that watching him dominate Ewing,
PArish, and the rest of the league, but Akeem is still a very young
player in some respects. Most players with 9 years of organized
ball would place them in college or at best, as a NBA rookie or
second year man. Ewing on the other hand, has been playing ball
for most of his life, and it does show in the mental side of the
game. But make no mistake about it, it still doesn't make up the
gap between him and Akeem.
When you remember that fact, and then watch them play, it only serves
to underline Akeem's supremacy.
And Akeem *will* get even better. Believe that Dan.
DrM
|
| 8.1330 | | LEVERS::STROUT | | Tue May 01 1990 13:06 | 2 |
| Wait a second.. isn't Dan a Laker fan??? This is getting veddy
intewesting.
|
| 8.1331 | | TALLIS::DICHIARA | Peter | Tue May 01 1990 13:27 | 25 |
| you said ewing NEVER averaged double digits, he did so this year.
I believe he finished with 10.9rpg. Being the stat man you claim to be
you should have also noticed that this average almost climbed a full
point in the last month of the season (due to Oakley's absence).
Likewise, when talking about akeem on offense, it's amazing with all
the dunks he makes that his shooting percentage isn't top ten.
In either case, both centers are great. I personally favor Ewing-- I
think he plays with more control. I also get a little upset when you
see players like akeem and jordan bitching and moaning about their
surrounding cast, coaches, contracts etc... Leave that crap to the
agents, not the Media. Ewing had a terrible team and possibly the
worst coach I've ever seen his first two seasons.
Akeem is the better rebounder and blocker -- he's much quicker than
Ewing.
Ewing is supperior, by no small amount IMO, offensively. ++ a better
team player and leader.
The knicks slide had nothing to do with Ewing, he played some of his
best ball in that time.
|
| 8.1332 | | LUNER::BROOKS | This note good while supplies last... | Tue May 01 1990 14:15 | 42 |
| re .-1
I said that perhaps Ewing has hit double figures once - if you took
the time to read my note. Akeem is still the better rebounder in
any case.
As far as FG %, Akeem sees more double-teams (and then some) than
Ewing, and has to shoulder a bigger burden of the offense, hence
hehas to wind up putting up more lower % shots than most people.
even taking that into account, his FG% is certainly respectable.
In the area of attitude, I've mentioned that Ewing has the edge
in maturity. I have, in the past, been exasperated with some of
Akeem's outbursts and bouts of rampant immaturity. Some of that
is due to his newness at the game, some is simple stupidty. But
like his game, that has made major strides over the last 2 years,
for which I give Don Chaney a lot of credit.
I must also say that at times Akeem has a vaild criticsm, and sometimes
it is a good idea for the leader to speak out.
The Rockets front office took what should have been the team of
the 90's, and wrecked it. Part of it was bad luck/human
weakness/stupidity (ie. Wiggins, Lucas, and Lloyd). But the Rockets
front office also :
1) Kept Bill Fitch too long.
2) Blew it big time with the Sampson trade and with his initial
knee injury.
3) Passed on the chance to land a bona fode point guard. The Rockets
could have had Joe Dumars, Terry Porter, Clyde Drexler, Mark Jackson,
ect. And flat out blew it.
4) Trades for Cedric Maxwell and Purvis Short also deprived the
Rockets of draft picks that could have had them Sherman Douglas
(for one) ....
5) They Rockets F.O. didn't pull the trigger on deals that could
have got them Mo Cheeks, Norm Nixon, or Strickland/Jackson.
Is it any wonder why Akeem is as fed up as the next guy ? Or should
he be 'nice' and quiet and wind up the NBA's answer to Ernie Banks ?
DrM
|
| 8.1333 | ROY winners | UPWARD::HEISER | Firefox Fever | Tue May 01 1990 14:37 | 45 |
| From: clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: NBA Rookies of the Year
Date: 27 Apr 90 17:40:40 GMT
1990--David Robinson, San Antonio
1989--Mitch Richmond, Golden State
1988--Mark Jackson, New York
1987--Chuck Person, Indiana
1986--Patrick Ewing, New York
1985--Michael Jordan, Chicago
1984--Ralph Sampson, Houston
1983--Terry Cummings, San Diego
1982--Buck Williams, New Jersey
1981--Darrell Griffith, Utah
1980--Larry Bird, Boston
1979--Phil Ford, Kansas City
1978--Walter Davis, Phoenix
1977--Adrian Dantley, Buffalo
1976--Alvan Adams, Phoenix
1975--Keith Wilkes, Golden State
1974--Ernie DiGregorio, Buffalo
1973--Bob McAdoo, Buffalo
1972--Sidney Wicks, Portland
1971--Dave Cowens, Boston; Geoff Petrie, Portland (tie).
1970--Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee
1969--Wes Unseld, Baltimore
1968--Earl Monroe, Baltimore
1967--Dave Bing, Detroit
1966--Rick Barry, San Francisco
1965--Willis Reed, New York
1964--Jerry Lucas, Cincinnati
1963--Terry Dischinger, Chicago
1962--Walt Bellamy, Chicago
1961--Oscar Robertson, Cincinnati
1960--Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia
1959--Elgin Baylor, Minneapolis
1958--Woody Sauldsberry, Philadelphia
1957--Tom Heinsohn, Boston
1956--Maurice Stokes, Rochester
1955--Bob Pettit, Milwaukee
1954--Ray Felix, Baltimore
1953--Don Meinecke, Fort Wayne
|
| 8.1334 | On Ewing and Akeem | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Oh+ | Tue May 01 1990 14:43 | 80 |
| >Dan, you obviously haven't been watching the same series as most
>of the nation - because Akeem has consistently been hitting the
>open man when he's been doubled and triple-teamed.
Please Doc, don't speak for "most of the nation". I've watched the
series closely. Akeem has kicked it back out a few times. It's
usually late. The other day, he had a grand total of one assist. And
that's with the Rockets burying outside jumpers in the first half. By
the fourth quarter, he was frustrated, and started heaving up bad shots
even when doubled and tripled. He is NOT proficient at looking for and
hitting the open man, although he has improved. He is still deficient
at this.
Most of his offense is coming off of offensive rebounds. His play in
the set offense has not helped the team, and has forced them to look
for the guards to do it all. With even a decent passing game from the
big man, the Rockets would be much better off. They could get Thorpe
in the game consistently on the other side, or cutting through.
>The fact of the
>matter is that Ewing is a at best, average boards man.
No, that is your opinion. The fact of the matter is that Ewing
averaged aver 10 boards a game this year and was in the NBA's top ten
in that statistic.
It is my opinion that his rebounding game developed too slowly, but he
has done a lot to make up for it in the last year. I enjoy seeing
players improve, and that makes Patrick Ewing much more enjoyable than
Akeem. Akeem has much better physical tools for rebounding, and he
should always be the better rebounder.
>MYTH : Ewing had no offensive game in college. ...Wrong
This is known as a strawman. It is irrelevant what kind of offensive
game Ewing had in college. But when he came to the Knicks he had very
few offensive skills. He had a decent touch on a face-up jumper and he
could jam. He had virtually no moves with his back to the basket.
>Ewings explosion this year is simply the result
>of seeing the ball more on offense, as in the Pitino system, Pat
>was just another option.
No Doc, you couldn't be more wrong. As I've patiently explained, it is
a result of his improvement as a low post player. The off-shoot of
that improvement is that he sees the ball more, because that is a sound
coaching decision. It is the decision Pitino always wanted to make,
but knew he couldn't with the players he had. That's why he went to
the full-court press, and the running game. On any team in the league,
Patrick Ewing would be the first option, other than perhaps Chicago.
That is testimony to his work ethic (which I give JT credit for) and
his rapid improvement of his skills.
>Dan : Ewing has more moves.
>Reply : So what ?
So, it was too easy to hold Akeem to where he's not even a force in the
halfcourt game. These few moves you claim he's "mastered" don't appear
that masterful to me. He doesn't spin left, he gets beaten every time
he tries the drop step, and the double team takes away his driving.
And then, after he takes too long to consider all this, he just might
fire up the spin right turnaround, no chance at a rebound anyway, or he
just might kick it out, but by then it's too late.
>And Akeem *will* get even better. Believe that Dan.
I've been watching Akeem since college. He is extraordinarily skilled.
His development has been to attempt to expand his game to the level of
his skills. I haven't anything near the development that Pat Ewing has
exhibited.
>Yes, I know we can forget that watching him dominate Ewing,
We haven't seen him dominate Ewing. Their personal statistics and the
teams record in head-to-head matchups are very close. Going into the
first game of this year between the Knicks and Rockets, Ewing had a
slight lead in both categories. (The NY Post always follows these
matchups closely.)
Dan
|
| 8.1335 | Pat Ewing: NBA's best center and certain to keep improving | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Oh+ | Tue May 01 1990 14:53 | 15 |
| >As far as FG %, Akeem sees more double-teams (and then some) than
>Ewing, and has to shoulder a bigger burden of the offense, hence
>hehas to wind up putting up more lower % shots than most people.
>even taking that into account, his FG% is certainly respectable.
This is untrue. Akeem is no more the Houston offense, then Ewing is
the new York offense, in fact, with his relative lesser offensive game,
Akeem is probably less of the focus. Ewing is just much better in
identifying the doubles, kicking the ball out, re-establishing position
(something he's much better at than Akeem) and knowing how to get a
good shot off before the next double develops.
This is part of the reason he's a superior offensive player.
Dan
|
| 8.1336 | | LEVERS::STROUT | | Tue May 01 1990 15:00 | 9 |
| Actually, I think that Akeem does receive more double and triple
teaming than Ewing simply because there are no other signficnt players
on Houston that consistently add to the offense. With NY there
is a decent supporting cast of players that must be looked after,
therefore Ewing cannot be the focus of the defense for the entire
night.
I also feel Akeem plays a quicker, smarter, more aggresive defense
than Ewing.
|
| 8.1337 | M-V-P | TRACTR::BACH | Onward through the fog... | Tue May 01 1990 15:10 | 5 |
| Who I like: Jordan
Who gets it: Barkley
Who sells silly tennis shoes: Akeem
Chip_GSH_Bach
|
| 8.1338 | | CAM::WAY | There's no winners...only survivors | Tue May 01 1990 15:19 | 9 |
| 8.1339 | akeem = the golden child! | LEVERS::STROUT | | Tue May 01 1990 15:31 | 2 |
| WARNING, rumor has it that in the fine tradition of the jests,
there will be an akeem.dis list surfacing soon...
|
| 8.1340 | | SAGE::ROSS | Julia Roberts on line 2 | Tue May 01 1990 17:49 | 2 |
| People who think Akeem Olaujowan is better than Patrick Ewing also
must think Dominique Wilkins is better than James Worthy.
|
| 8.1341 | | RSST6::RIGGEN | Burley from biking | Tue May 01 1990 18:19 | 6 |
| >>People who think Akeem Olaujowan is better than Patrick Ewing also
>>must think Dominique Wilkins is better than James Worthy.
Not true but most of us know that all of these guys are better than Bucky Dent
or Doug Flutie.
|
| 8.1342 | He must be on cocaine. Look at him sweat! (tm) :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Tue May 01 1990 18:22 | 7 |
| 8.1343 | Tricky Dicky was a user too.... | CAM::WAY | There's no winners...only survivors | Tue May 01 1990 18:40 | 11 |
| Was that Tricky Dicky's problem too.
That guy used to sweat like water pouring off a roof. I mean,
you could jet skied on the sweat on his upper lip.
I'll bet Watergate took place to try and squelch the info the
Democrats had on Nixon's cocaine habit and smuggling operation...
Yeah, that's it. You heard it here first!!!!!
Chainsaw
|
| 8.1344 | | PNO::HEISER | Firefox Fever | Tue May 01 1990 18:57 | 1 |
| Worthy knows how to pass the ball, Wilkins doesn't!
|
| 8.1345 | Detroit and Capital D | ALLVAX::PANDYA | | Wed May 02 1990 10:28 | 4 |
| Detroit has played totally 43 playoff games since the 87-88 season
and they have held their opponents under 100 points in 33 of those
43 games! Heavy on defense, eh?!
|
| 8.1347 | Worthyless w/o Magic | CGVAX2::REEVE | | Wed May 02 1990 12:21 | 3 |
| If Dominique had played his entire career with Magic, he would be a
vastly superior player than Worthy. If Worthy had been stuck on the
Hawks all these years, he would be known as a "journeyman" NBA player.
|
| 8.1348 | Stats thru 1988-89 season courtesy of NBA Register | 4159::NAZZARO | We're the Dead Beat Club | Wed May 02 1990 12:36 | 18 |
| Re. "Worthy can pass and Dominique can't" comment -
Since they came into the league at the same time, we can accurately
compare their assist ratio.
Career Assists: Worthy - 1544; ave. 2.8 per game
Wilkins - 1357; ave 2.4 per game
Season high assists - Worthy 289 in 1987-88
Wilkins 261 in 1986-87
Playoff Assists: Worthy - 353 in 111 games; 3.2 ave.
Wilkins - 113 in 43 games; 2.7 ave.
Conclusion: Worthy is a slightly better passer than 'Nique, but
neither is a threat to John Stockton.
NAZZ
|
| 8.1349 | WHAT? get a job? | CNTROL::CHILDS | The Power Pass, My kind of Prize | Wed May 02 1990 12:55 | 4 |
|
great conclusion Nazz, and an even better p-name.....
mike
|
| 8.1350 | | UPWARD::HEISER | on the other side | Wed May 02 1990 14:53 | 67 |
|
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (RICHARD LUNA, UPI Sports Writer)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Chaney guarantees Rockets will force fifth game in series
HOUSTON (UPI) -- Houston's Don Chaney, whose team is one loss away
from elimination in the NBA playoffs, has guaranteed Rocket victories in
the next two games against the Los Angeles Lakers to force a fifth game
in the series.
``We definitely will win both games at home,'' Chaney said after
the Rockets dropped a 104-100 decision to the Lakers in Los Angeles,
giving the Lakers a 2-0 lead in the best-of-five, first-round series.
``I guarantee it. There's no doubt about it. They still have to get
one more win and I think it's going to come down to the last game in
LA.''
Chaney stood by his prediction Monday after a closed practice
session in preparation for Game 3 Tuesday in the Summit.
``Did I say guarantee?'' he said. ``Maybe it was a slip of the
tongue. We all know nothing is guaranteed.
``But we all know we can win in our building. We have a lot of
confidence at home. We're going to have two very good games here.''
The Rockets did win two regular-season games against the Lakers in
Houston, but the Lakers still have to rate the favorite, having won 20
straight first-round playoff games.
Lakers Coach Pat Riley, who two years ago correctly guaranteed his
Lakers would become the first team to repeat as champions in nearly two
decades, said he was not surprised by Chaney's comments.
``Sometimes when you put pressure on your players, it's good,'' he
said. ``I don't think there's anything wrong with it. From our
perspective, we want to get it over. You always want to end it quickly.
We have a chance to move on and that's our objective. We want to take
care of business, if not tomorrow, then Thursday (Game 4).''
Houston has a little history on its side. The last time Los Angeles
lost a first-round game was to Houston in 1981. The Lakers have reached
the NBA finals eight times in the last 10 years. The only two seasons
they didn't make the finals, Houston knocked them out.
However, only the 1956 Fort Wayne Pistons and 1987 Golden State
Warriors have come back from a 2-0 deficit to win a best-of-five series.
Then there is the simple fact that Los Angeles is a much better
team, and proved it in the first two games. Houston led by as many as 13
points in Game 1, and lost 101-98. In Game 2, the Rockets held a
19-point edge at one time before the Lakers used a second-half blitz to
pull ahead late in the game. Los Angeles outscored Houston 11-2 in the
final 2:30 in Game 2.
``This is how it is going to be for us the rest of the way,'' Riley
said. ``We're going to get down and we're going to have to come back.
It's a 48-minute game and we've got to weather the storms.''
The Rockets have to figure a way to deal with Lakers forward James
Worthy, who is averaging 33 points a game in the playoffs.
``We have not conquered James Worthy yet,'' said Chaney. ``He has
moved up to a level where we have not been able to reach him. We need to
neutralize him.''
Worthy has always been a strong playoff performer. He has never led
the team in scoring during the regular season, but has been the top
point producer in the playoffs each of the last three seaons.
``That's what we expect of him ... that's what he expects of
himself,'' Riley said. ``James is a big-game player. He responds in big
games.''
Worthy attributes his playoff success to his mental preparation.
``You have more time to prepare in the playoffs,'' he said. ``The
focus is better than when you have to play five teams in seven days.
Houston does play a tough defense. They're very aggressive, but the
shots have been falling. I'd like to get a little hotter.''
Houston also needs more offense from Akeem Olajuwon, who is
averaging just 12 points a game against a fierce Lakers defense.
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| 8.1351 | | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | seton ni segassem cinataS | Wed May 02 1990 14:53 | 12 |
| re Note 8.1346
< I was certain the Nugeets would have won last night, being
< a home game and also how close they played in San Antonio in
< game 2. As a matter of fact, I *guaranteed* it.
Apparently, John Elway was in the crowd. I'm surprised it wasn't a
blowout. ;-)
pete
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| 8.1352 | | LEVERS::STROUT | | Wed May 02 1990 15:04 | 5 |
| Quick question. The best of seven for the conference semis
and finals is a 2-2-1-1-1 deal and the championship is 2-3-2?
thanks.
sean
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| 8.1353 | Don Chaney talks, Rockets listen | CNTROL::CHILDS | The Power Pass, My kind of Prize | Wed May 02 1990 15:21 | 12 |
|
the 2-3-2 format is what is affectionately knows as another one of
the Lakers rules. They put in so the Lakers would have a chance
against the Celtics. The Celtics were 8-0 against the Lakers in
finals before the rule....
:^)
The league said it was to cut down on traveling. In reality TV probably
asked for it to save them cash from flying people baqck and forth...
mike
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| 8.1354 | | SASE::SZABO | | Wed May 02 1990 15:34 | 11 |
| 8.1355 | | LEVERS::STROUT | | Wed May 02 1990 15:34 | 2 |
| What are the Lakers record with the 2-3-2 format being the team
with the home court advantage and vice versa?
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| 8.1356 | | LEVERS::STROUT | | Wed May 02 1990 15:35 | 1 |
| 8.1357 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Wed May 02 1990 15:51 | 65 |
| I don't have the stats handy for the many years in the past with
the format, but off the top of my head since the format changed
it's gone like this:
1985 Lakers at Celtics. Celtics and Lakers split first two
games in Boston. Lakers take 2 of 3 in LA. Lakers win game 6 in
Boston to win the title
1986 Rockets at Celtics. Celtics win first two games in
Boston. Rockets win 2 of 3 in Houston. Celtics win game 6 in Boston
to win the title.
1987 Celtics at Lakers. Lakers win first two games in LA.
Celtics win 2 of 3 in Boston. Lakers win game 6 in LA to win title.
1988 Pistons at Lakers. Pistons and Lakers split first two
games in LA. Pistons win 2 of 3 in Detroit. Lakers win final two
in LA to win title.
1989 Lakers at Pistons. Detroit wins 4 straight to win the
title.
1985 is the only year since this format was introduced where the
team with the home court advantage has lost. If the NBA Guide has
the information, I'll post the rest of it tomorrow. From what I
can remember:
1984 Celtics with home court advantage and beat Lakers
1983 Sixers over Lakers, home court?
1982 Lakers with home court advantage and beat Sixers
1981 Celtics with home court advantage and beat Rockets
1980 Lakers with home court advantage and beat Sixers
1979 Sonics over Bullets, home court?
1978 Bullets over Sonics, home court?
1977 Portland without home court advantage beat Philly
1976 Celtics with home court advantage and beat Suns
1975 Warriors over Bullets, home court?
1974 Celtics without home court advantage beat Bucks
1973 Knicks over Lakers, home court?
1972 Lakers with home court advantage and beat Knicks
1971 Bucks with home court advantage beat Bullets
1970 Knicks with home court advantage beat Lakers
1969 Celtics without home court advantage beat Lakers
1968 Celtics over Lakers, home court?
1967 Sixers with home court advantage beat Warriors
1966 Celtics with home court advantage beat Lakers
1965 Celtics with home court advantage beat Lakers
1964 Celtics with home court advantage beat Warriors
1963 Celtics over Lakers, home court ?
1962 Celtics over ?, home court ?
1961 Celtics over ?, home court ?
1960 Celtics over ?, home court ?
1959 Celtics over ?, home court ?
1958 Hawks without home court advantage beat Celtics
1957 Celtics with home court advantage beat Hawks
The question was also asked earlier today about why the Celtics
weren't playing last night and play tonight instead. Madison Square
Garden was reserved Tuesday for a possible 7th game in the NHL Patrick
Division Finals and reserved tomorrow for a possible first game
in the NHL Wales Conference Finals. No grand conspiracy here.
Also, many games from New York City start at 830 this time of year
because the circus is in town and plays a lot of matinees.
John
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| 8.1358 | | VIA::NORI | | Wed May 02 1990 15:55 | 32 |
| re: .1354
If I remember correctly the 2-3-2 rule was first used in 85.
Year 85 (Boston Had Home Court)
First Two Game : Split 1-1 Lakers 1 Boston 1
Next Three Games : Lakers 2 Cletics 1 Total Lakers 3 Celtics 2
Sixth Game : Lakers, Lakers won 4-2.
Year 86 (Boston had Home Court)
First Two Games : Boston 2-0
Next Three Games : Boston 2 Houton 1 Boston won 4-1
Year 87 (Lakers Had Home Court)
First Two Games : Lakers 2-0
Next Three Games : Boston 2 Lakers 1 Lakers 3 Celtics 2
Sixth Game : Lakers, Lakers won 4-2
Year 88 (Lakers Had Home Court)
First Two Games : Split 1-1 Lakers 1 Pistons 1
Next Three Games : Pistons 2 Lakers 1 Total Pistons 3 Lakers 2
Last Two Games : Lakers, Lakers won 4-3
Year 89 (Pistons Had Home Court)
First Two Games : Pistons 2-0
Next Three Games : Pistons 2-0 Pistons won 4-0
My impression, it didn't really matter. Except in 85, the team that had
home court won all other times.
__ Ram Nori
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| 8.1359 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | This note good while supplies last... | Wed May 02 1990 16:14 | 7 |
| re .1346
It was a good effort Steven - the Spurs have too much talent, that's
all.
Now the Nuggets may have to consider trading talent for draft picks,
accept a lottery year or two, and come back strong by 1994 ....
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| 8.1360 | Can't always judge passing by assists ... | EARRTH::BROOKS | This note good while supplies last... | Wed May 02 1990 16:16 | 10 |
| re .1348
Nazz, I'm ashamed of you .... :-)
Let me see how many assists anyone would get on a Magic Johnson
team.
Usually you would be getting baskets, and Magic would get the assists.
What a misuse of stats.
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| 8.1361 | | SASE::SZABO | | Wed May 02 1990 16:28 | 8 |
| 8.1362 | hahaaa nice try Doc | CNTROL::CHILDS | The Power Pass, My kind of Prize | Wed May 02 1990 16:34 | 7 |
|
cmon Doc, get real will ya. Atlanta has a point guard too, whose job it
is to distribute the ball. Most small forwards are asked to score and
play defense period, only the rare ones like Bird and Barkley do
more.....
mike
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| 8.1363 | 2-3-2 | CNTROL::CHILDS | The Power Pass, My kind of Prize | Wed May 02 1990 16:35 | 5 |
|
the point is though those sorry Lakers never ever won a series against
the C's until they put the format in for them......
mike
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| 8.1364 | | LEVERS::STROUT | | Wed May 02 1990 16:40 | 8 |
| > the point is though those sorry Lakers never ever won a series against
> the C's until they put the format in for them......
Yeah but they were the home court favorite once and not the
home court favorite the other time they beat the C's. Clearly,
this proves the 2-3-2 has not altered the affects at all.
sean
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| 8.1365 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Wed May 02 1990 17:08 | 12 |
| In order to answer the question accurately, we have to know who
had the home court advantage in the past series between the Celtics
and Lakers and just what the format was.
Game 5 is always a very important game in any playoff series that
doesn't end in 4 games. If the home teams win at home through the
first 4 games and end up with a 2-2 split, then the winner of the
5th game will have a 3-2 lead. It puts the team with the home court
advantage at a disadvantage because it means they have to win that
pivotal game on the road.
John
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| 8.1366 | | LEVERS::STROUT | | Wed May 02 1990 17:13 | 6 |
| It still means that the team with the worse record MUST win
1 game on the road. If they are down 3-2 they know that their last
two games are at home, and if they are in the championship, they
probably have a pretty massive home record.
sean
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| 8.1367 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | AFool&HisMoneyAreSoonPartying!! | Wed May 02 1990 17:26 | 3 |
| i love the way the Fungus fans cry about the 2-3-2 format. Yet they
never cry that the 2-3-2 jobbed the Sux out of '86, 75, 67, or whenever
else the Sux (tm) got to the series.
|
| 8.1369 | It was the playoff format. Yeah, that's the ticket. :)
| DOCTP::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Wed May 02 1990 17:40 | 11 |
| More whining from Mr. Childs about the Lakers' dominance of the Celts
in the Magic era? What a shame. The fact is that the Lakers beat the
Celts in '85 by taking two out of three at the Gahden. Sorry, but if
a team can't even win the majority of its home games, it has no business
expecting to win the series. And its fans have no business blaming
the loss on the 2-3-2 format. In '87, the Lakers were on the other
side of the 2-3-2 format but the result was the same -- they took
care of business at home with 3 blowouts and the C's were again history
in 6.
Laker_Ken
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| 8.1370 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Wed May 02 1990 17:49 | 8 |
| >> i love the way the Fungus fans cry about the 2-3-2 format. Yet they
>> never cry that the 2-3-2 jobbed the Sux out of '86, 75, 67, or whenever
>> else the Sux (tm) got to the series.
Wrong topic. I think you meant to reply in the "Whine along with Dr.M" note.
Home This, Schlep
j.
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| 8.1371 | ;^) and remeber POPB.... | CNTROL::CHILDS | | Wed May 02 1990 17:49 | 9 |
|
get use to LK cause until those sorry boys form LA get eliminated,
I'll be on their cases.
Jesse the format wasn't put in place until 85 cause the Lakers cried
and moaned to get some advantage after loosing 8 straight finals to
the C's...........
mike
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| 8.1372 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Wed May 02 1990 18:06 | 8 |
|
Mike, Laker_Ken is delirious... he keeps dumping on the Cavs
about the Harper trade, just like he dumped on the Lakers about
the Norm Nixon for Byron Scott trade... or was he a Lakers fan
back then... its hard to tell... he roots for teams for different
cities in each sport. You figure it out...
Was he born in Boston and then again in LA two weeks later?
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| 8.1373 | The legend lives on. | SNDCSL::HAUSRATH | Who,Stones in '89. Zep in '90 | Wed May 02 1990 18:10 | 6 |
| > Was he born in Boston and then again in LA two weeks later?
With his twin sister Enid? Could it be?
Nooooooo
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| 8.1374 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | AFool&HisMoneyAreSoonPartying!! | Wed May 02 1990 18:14 | 6 |
| O.K. maybe my "whiny fungus fans" statement was less than objective,
but why has 2-3-2 never been an issue with baseball? Granted in
baseball the home field is determined on a yearly basis and the
"pivotal game five" was an equalizer of sorts. Yet in the 80's the
Lakers beat the Celts on both sides of the 2-3-2 coin, so where was the
Celt's advantage?
|
| 8.1375 | jeff, i think you're confusing him with uncle lloyd | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Wed May 02 1990 18:16 | 30 |
|
"Uncle Lloyd, In the Beginning..." Episode 1
Steven Lloyd (alias SuperTech) was born June 12, 1959 in a
small Metropolitan area, and then again two weeks later with his
twin sister Enid. Growing up in the rural regions of Central
Massachusetts was to prove to be one of the most difficult tasks
for the young man to accomplish. Steve always knew there was
something more to life than fast cars and rock-n-roll music and
at the tender age of 14 he made a discovery that changed his
life. One day while playing in a sandbox at the neighborhood
playground, he was approached by a young, but well developed girl
named Wendy.
"My Wendy, you look really tired! Have you been sleeping
well", said Steve.
"No I haven't," replied Wendy with a hint of timidness, "I'm
the only girl in the whole school that hasn't had a sexual
experience, I feel like I'm over the hill at age fifteen, what
can I do Steve?"
... STAYED TUNED TOMMORROW FOR SLLOYD'S ANSWER TO WENDY'S QUESTION,
SAME SLLOYD TIME SAME SLLOYD STATION FOR EPISODE #2...
* any similarities to actual people or places is purely coincidental
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| 8.1376 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | Give me hope Johanna | Wed May 02 1990 18:20 | 12 |
| >================================================================================
>Note 8.1367 Official NBA topic 1367 of 1375
>CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ "AFool&HisMoneyAreSoonPartying!!" 3 lines 2-MAY-1990 13:26
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> i love the way the Fungus fans cry about the 2-3-2 format. Yet they
> never cry that the 2-3-2 jobbed the Sux out of '86, 75, 67, or whenever
> else the Sux (tm) got to the series.
Could that be because the format affects baseball less than basketball?
Most knowledgeable fans agree that the home court affect is stronger
in basketball than it is in baseball.
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| 8.1377 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | AFool&HisMoneyAreSoonPartying!! | Wed May 02 1990 18:23 | 1 |
| re -1 covered in my last reply
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| 8.1378 | | SASE::SZABO | | Wed May 02 1990 18:43 | 7 |
| 8.1379 | | COMET::MONTGOMERY | D.Robinson is a Hack | Wed May 02 1990 19:02 | 8 |
|
HomecourtEffect(tm) ????????
Where Green sweat sock fans and Fakers fans Whine!!!!!
Monty
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| 8.1380 | Rockets to tie it up tonight | CNTROL::CHILDS | | Thu May 03 1990 10:37 | 13 |
|
last night's action Knicks starve off elimination 102-99. Bird misses
a 3 at the buzzer to tie it. NY pounded the boards to win this one.
At one point they had 21 to 2 advantage on offensive rebounds.
Sun go up 2-1 on Utah with a 120-105 victory I believe. I went to bed
at halftime and just caught the score quickly this morning so it might
be off a point or two. Refs were real whistle happy in this one right
before the half as I didn't keep count but I'd swear on atleast 10
straight posessions they blew somebody for something. Looks to me
though that just like during the year Utah has no answer for KJ...
mike
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| 8.1381 | Red Sox = losers; Celtics = winners | 4159::NAZZARO | We're the Dead Beat Club | Thu May 03 1990 10:40 | 10 |
| To whom it may concern (some x# of notes beack):
Just because they're located in the same city, NEVER, EVER lump
together Celtics fans with Red Sox fans. Celtics fans tend not
to like beating themselves over the head with frypans continually,
every summer and early fall, for the past 72 years.
Hope this etc.
NAZZ
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| 8.1382 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Thu May 03 1990 11:53 | 4 |
| last nights scores:
phoenix 120 utah 105 (2-1)
ny 102 boston 99 (1-2)
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| 8.1383 | | SASE::SZABO | | Thu May 03 1990 12:21 | 23 |
| 8.1384 | NBA Title History | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Thu May 03 1990 12:27 | 64 |
| I had a chance to do some more detailed research about NBA championship
series history last night. I found the following information on
formats and who has won. In the interests of saving space in the
table, I have a couple of column explanations:
1. The first column is the format, 2-2-1-1-1, 2-3-2, 1-1-1-1-1-1-1
or 1-2-2-1-1.
2. The second column is the number of times the format has been
used.
3. The 3rd column lists the number of times the team with the home
court advantage in the series won the title.
4. The 4th column lists the number of times the team without the
home court advantage in the series won the title.
5. The 5th column lists the number of times the champion won the
final game at home.
6. The 6th column lists the number of times the champion won the
final game on the road.
Format Times Used HCA HCA Title Title
win lose win @ win @
title title home road
2-2-1-1-1 31 21 10 17 14
2-3-2 9 8 1 6 3
1-1-1-1-1-1-1 2 2 0 1 1
1-2-2-1-1 1 0 1 0 1
total 43 31 12 24 19
Other notes: The 2-3-2 format was used in 1949, 1953, 1954, 1955,
1985, 1986, 1987, 1988 and 1989. While there should be no cause
and effect drawn here, the Lakers have won 6 of their 11 titles
under this format. Of course, they've also won 5 other titles using
the 2-2-1-1-1 format. They are also the only team to have ever
won a title without the home court advantage in the 2-3-2 format.
The 1-1-1-1-1-1-1 format was used in 1956 (Philadelphia Warriors
vs Ft Wayne Pistons) and 1971 (Milwaukee Bucks vs Baltimore Bullets).
There have been 5 series going 4 games, the only team to have won
a 4 game series without the home court advantage was the 1975 Warriors.
They also won on the road because the series was the only played
in the 1-2-2-1-1 format.
There have been 9 series going 5 games. 7 of these series have
been won by the team with the home court advantage. 6 titles have
been won at home.
There have been 15 series going 6 games. 9 of these series have
been won by the team with the home court advantage. 7 titles have
been won at home.
There have been 14 series going 7 games. 11 of these series have
been won by the team with the home court advantage thus 11 titles
have been won at home. The only teams winning a 7th game on the
road to win an NBA title were the 1978 Washington Bullets, 1974
Boston Celtics and 1969 Boston Celtics.
John
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| 8.1385 | | FSHQA2::AWASKOM | | Thu May 03 1990 12:59 | 11 |
| Interesting stats. Glad to know the format still favors the team
with the home court advantage, 'cause that seems fair.
And I still like the 2-2-1-1-1 format. Pure personal, emotional
bias. Still *feels* like it gives the team with the home court
advantage a better deal and less game pressure.
Have any of the *players*, present or past, ever commented on the
format and which they prefer?
A&W
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| 8.1386 | | SASE::SZABO | | Thu May 03 1990 13:13 | 6 |
| 8.1387 | home team = home court advantage team | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Thu May 03 1990 13:13 | 2 |
| The reason the 2-2-1-1-1 feels better is because if the home
team wins at home, they are never behind in the series.
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| 8.1388 | Talk about keeping things FOREVER!!!!! | TOLKIN::FARLEY | Have YOU seen Elvis today?? | Thu May 03 1990 13:57 | 12 |
| Re: The saga of Wendy and Steve
Groanowski,
I CAIN'T BELIEVE YOU STILL HAVE THOSE!!!!!!! THEY GOTTA BE AT LEAST
6 MEBBE 7 YEARS OLD!!!!!!
OBOY OBOY CAIN'T WAIT.....
Kev_OW (tm)
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| 8.1389 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Thu May 03 1990 14:49 | 7 |
|
re: -1
I'm not sure what year we (Jeff Hausrath and myself) wrote those
episodes... although I do know it was around the time when the
Colts drafted Elway... so it must be 1983?
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| 8.1390 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Thu May 03 1990 15:06 | 4 |
| NBA's most ridiculous haircuts belong to Kenny Walker and Jack
Sikma. =8^o
/Don
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| 8.1391 | Gettem Friday | BUILD::MORGAN | | Thu May 03 1990 15:23 | 6 |
| I couldn't believe it when the Brickmaster Walker hit that 15 footer
from the corner last night in crunch time. The last guy I expected to
hit a shot from there with the pressure on was him. 'Course had Reggie
hit the first free throw, it might not have mattered.
Steve
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| 8.1392 | | SASE::SZABO | | Thu May 03 1990 15:57 | 8 |
| 8.1393 | 5:00 shadow for her by noon | BUILD::MORGAN | | Thu May 03 1990 16:36 | 6 |
| This has absolutely nothing to do with sports but, speaking of McHale's
moustache...After seeing Fahima Reed (the latest released hostage's wife)
on the tellie for the past few days I had to admire the stache she's been
sportin'. Twin Trac razors for her, no doubt!
Steve
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| 8.1394 | now I can die, I've seen everything | UPWARD::HEISER | Oh I hate it when I do this | Thu May 03 1990 16:43 | 11 |
| I was in a local KFC (Colonel) the other day and saw a woman with a
moustache for the first time. I had a hard time giving her my order
without cracking up:
woman: "May I help you Sir"
me: "Yeah I'll take a 10 piece bucket and a moustache to go"
This stache was neatly trimmed and thick (she had black hair). This
fair haired white boy would've been proud to own one like her!
Mike
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| 8.1395 | | 29637::J_HERNANDEZ | AFool&HisMoneyAreSoonPartying!! | Thu May 03 1990 16:55 | 8 |
| In college a buddy of mine had a girlfriend with a pretty thick stash.
He broke up with her cuz he said it was like kissing a guy. (didn't
know he did that either.)
the devil dog
p.s. the Lakers will end Chewston's season tonight.
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| 8.1396 | | CAM::WAY | There's no winners...only survivors | Thu May 03 1990 17:25 | 17 |
| From Uncle Buck:
Buck is sitting across from the children's principal, who has
this humongous hairy mole on her chin.
She introduces herself to him, and he says"
"Well, I'm Buck Melanoma, and I'm the children's wart..."
I damn near p*ssed my pants....
Never went out wif a girl who had a moustache...
And FWIW, I think the best do in the NBA is Fred Robert's....8^)
Chainsaw
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| 8.1397 | Worthy:Wilkins::Ewing:Olajowan Brilliant! | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Oh+ | Thu May 03 1990 17:48 | 24 |
| >Conclusion: Worthy is a slightly better passer than 'Nique, but
>neither is a threat to John Stockton.
Extenuating Circumstances: Atlanta has been searching for a true point
guard forever. Rivers has had some very disappointing playoffs with
Atlanta. On LA, Magic runs the show, needing little help in that
department.
Better Conclusion: If Worthy had played on Atlanta, he would have
shouldered some of the load when it comes to passing the ball and have
much better statistics. 'Nique would have even less if he played on
LA.
Background: At the beginning of the year, NAZZ put together a list of
forwards he thought were better than James Worthy, which included
players like Derrick McKey, Xavier McDaniels and Otis Thorpe.
Innocent Question: NAZZ, do you suppose you could find a fan of those
players teams who would agree with your analysis? Failing that, could
I have the same seats as you got for me this year for when the Lakers
come to the Garden?
Dan
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| 8.1398 | | WXYZ::METZGER | Don't have a cow man... | Thu May 03 1990 17:52 | 22 |
|
> Extenuating Circumstances: Atlanta has been searching for a true point
> guard forever. Rivers has had some very disappointing playoffs with
> Atlanta. On LA, Magic runs the show, needing little help in that
> department.
Non-objective opinion
> Better Conclusion: If Worthy had played on Atlanta, he would have
> shouldered some of the load when it comes to passing the ball and have
> much better statistics. 'Nique would have even less if he played on
> LA.
Pure conjecture....Not conclusion. You can't make a conclusion unless
You have put forth a point of argument and have proved the point with facts. You
can't base a conclusion on pure subjective analysis.
You should know better than that Dan...
Metz
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| 8.1399 | Look it up Mike, it's true ! | EARRTH::BROOKS | This note good while supplies last... | Thu May 03 1990 17:55 | 17 |
| re .1364
Mike, stop whining. Do you know which NBA exec pushed hardest for
the 2-3-2 format ????
Red Auerbach.
You can look it up. He was a staunch supporter of it - until the
Lakers kicked his butt in '85.
Then he became anti-2-3-2.
Red is a joke.
drM
|
| 8.1400 | Celtic fans: green, whiney, pouty, dockers | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Oh+ | Thu May 03 1990 18:02 | 19 |
| >the 2-3-2 format is what is affectionately knows as another one of
>the Lakers rules. They put in so the Lakers would have a chance
>against the Celtics. The Celtics were 8-0 against the Lakers in
>finals before the rule....
Yeah, yeah yeah. The first year of the rule of 2-3-2, the Celtics
had home court advantage, and all the Celtic fans whined like crazy
from Red Scowlback on down. They were getting gypped. They didn't get
game 5 at home, etc etc. The Lakers won the championship in game 6 at
Boston Garden.
Two years later, the Lakers had home court advantage. Who was whinning
about 2-3-2 then? Not the Laker fans, but the Celtic fans again! Oh
it was so unfair to them, oh, it's too much time on the road, oh, oh,
oh... Lakers blew the Celtics out in three of their 4 victories.
Dan
|
| 8.1401 | One small ommision...I'm sure it was an oversight | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Oh+ | Thu May 03 1990 18:13 | 9 |
| >Most small forwards are asked to score and
>play defense period, only the rare ones like Bird and Barkley do
>more.....
And Worthy, Mike, and Worthy. I know you wouldn't want to forget
James. After all, he had the game 7 triple-double against the Pistons.
Larry and Charles never did anything like that.
Dan
|
| 8.1402 | 2-3-2: Red's Rule | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Oh+ | Thu May 03 1990 18:17 | 11 |
| >the point is though those sorry Lakers never ever won a series against
>the C's until they put the format in for them......
Oh, one last point. Red Scowlback was the architect of the new playoff
format of 2-3-2. Of course, he was scowling when it came down to the
Celtics being home in '85, and the Lakers being home in '87. He
probably did it to protect the Celtics chances, because he saw the
demise they were headed towards, what with Red making all the personnel
calls himself.
Dan
|
| 8.1403 | regular season slacker... playoff junkie... | SAGE::ROSS | Stressed for excess | Thu May 03 1990 18:24 | 4 |
| > James. After all, he had the game 7 triple-double against the Pistons.
> Larry and Charles never did anything like that.
And James never has been an MVP candidate.... and never will be.
|
| 8.1404 | Painful rectal itch, eh Danster? :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Thu May 03 1990 18:25 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1405 | Without it, they lost | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Oh+ | Thu May 03 1990 18:26 | 18 |
| >2. I like Patrick Ewing, but his hot-dogging was more than I could
> stomach. I don't mind a show of emotion after a big hoop, but when
> I see the index finger raised high in the air, it made me
> wonder...
Hawk, the Knicks need his leadership big time for that win and any
others they might enjoy in what's left of this season. They need the
fans. They need Patrick showing them the way. They need a bunch of
breaks. They need Oakley scolding them in the papers. They need more
than they've got, no doubt. It's over in 4.
But what you called hot-dogging, I call absolutely necessary in this
situation. He was clearly keeping his team focused, together and
alert.
Dan
|
| 8.1406 | Never = twice in this case | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Oh+ | Thu May 03 1990 18:32 | 9 |
| >And James never has been an MVP candidate.... and never will be.
1982 NCAA Tournament MVP.
1988 NBA Playoffs MVP.
Or isn't that what you had in mind?
Dan
|
| 8.1407 | | SAGE::ROSS | Stressed for excess | Thu May 03 1990 18:35 | 17 |
| > <<< Note 8.1406 by WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER "Oh+" >>>
> -< Never = twice in this case >-
>
>>And James never has been an MVP candidate.... and never will be.
>
> 1982 NCAA Tournament MVP.
>
> 1988 NBA Playoffs MVP.
>
> Or isn't that what you had in mind?
>
> Dan
No. I was thinking about an award that has some meaning.
Or do you think Jack Givens' NCAA Tourney MVP for Kentucky is equal
to one of Magic's regular season jobs? If so, then I'll agree with you.
|
| 8.1408 | | UPWARD::HEISER | Oh I hate it when I do this | Thu May 03 1990 18:58 | 25 |
|
From: clarinews@clarinet.com
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Report has Tarkanian talking to Clippers
LOS ANGELES (UPI) -- Jerry Tarkanian, fresh from leading Nevada-Las
Vegas to the NCAA basketball title last month, is talking to the owner
of the Los Angeles Clippers about the NBA team's coaching vacancy, it
was reported Wednesday.
The Los Angeles Times said a source close to the talks said
Tarkanian has spoken to Clippers owner Donald Sterling about the
coaching job and plans to fly to Los Angeles Thursday to continue the
discussions.
The source said a deal to bring Tarkanian to the professional ranks
would be a longshot and that Tarkanian would demand at least than
$750,000 a year plus other benefits.
UNLV remains under investigation by the NCAA over its recruitment
of former New York prep star Lloyd Daniels, but no sanctions have been
imposed.
Clipper spokesman Bill Kreifeldt told the Times no meetings are
scheduled between the team and Tarkanian.
The Clippers, a perennial loser since moving to Los Angeles from
San Diego several years ago, fired coach Don Casey last month.
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| 8.1409 | | CADSYS::CAVE | | Thu May 03 1990 19:50 | 20 |
| >> 1982 NCAA Tournament MVP.
>>
>> 1988 NBA Playoffs MVP.
>>
>> Or isn't that what you had in mind?
>>
>No. I was thinking about an award that has some meaning.
Funny, I always thought the playoff MVP was pretty important. I guess I
stand corrected.
I think its really stretching it to say Ewing was hotdogging it. He
was focused, intense, and psyched and had to be. He only "hotdogged it"
following a great play (spin around Parish and slam over McHale for a 3
point play during crunch time, etc.). Its not like Rodman (after a layup
to give the Pistons and 20 point lead during pre-season).
Alan
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| 8.1410 | Eat it Doug! | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | The grass is greener, but you still have to mow it! | Fri May 04 1990 01:10 | 5 |
| I think it's stretching to say that anything Doug says means anything.
No MVP. Damn! Only, what 4 or 5 rings! Damn Worthy sucks! Get
a life Doug and find someone "worthy" of your criticism!
Bret
|
| 8.1411 | See you at the next crusade | SAGE::ROSS | Stressed for excess | Fri May 04 1990 09:44 | 23 |
| ><<< Note 8.1410 by CSC32::B_GRAHAM "The grass is greener, but you still have to mow it!" >>>
> -< Eat it Doug! >-
Now is that something a preacher should be saying, Billy?
> I think it's stretching to say that anything Doug says means anything.
Yeah, I know you've filled this conference and note with so much information,
analysis, and opinion that all other notes pale in comparison. Besides your
Laker lust, what else have you got to report on?
> No MVP. Damn! Only, what 4 or 5 rings! Damn Worthy sucks!
How many rings does ML Carr have?
> Get a life Doug and find someone "worthy" of your criticism!
How about if I start criticizing infantile noters whose sole contribution
is personal attacks on other noters? Christ, {scuse me, Rev} if you take
this so seriously that you think I have some vendetta against James Worthy,
it's you who needs to get a life. This is a lark, a folly, a joke... I
only try to point out what I see to be glaring weaknesses in James' game.
|
| 8.1412 | As I see it... | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | The grass is greener, but you still have to mow it! | Fri May 04 1990 10:30 | 12 |
| Ok, ok Doug. Let me offer an apology. I was major pumped after
the win last night and have tired of your Worthy attacks and haven't
noticed any smiley faces if this is in jest.
What does it matter how much I contribute to the file? The Lakers
are my only sport interest, so why should I bother on anything else?
To appease you? Sorry, won't happen. Besides, I'm free to bash you
just as you are to bash Worthy. But I won't bother again, nothing
gained, right?
Bret
|
| 8.1413 | | DOCTP::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Fri May 04 1990 11:07 | 21 |
| The comparison to Dominique is a joke. Anyone who has watched a lot
of Hawks' and Lakers' games over the past few years can see the dif-
ference. Worthy is a much smarter, more disciplined player than
'Nique. Dominique has a penchant for launching poorly timed shots,
much like Danny Ainge. The team will be making a run to get back
in the game and he'll launch one up with 20 seconds remaining on the
shot clock.
Worthy is an unselfish player who reads the defense and knows how to
break it down much better than 'Nique does. Any of you Worthy bashers
catch last night's action? In the second period, when he was the only
Laker starter on the floor, Houston was doubling him every time and he
made some great passes to set up Woolridge and Divac for easy inside
shots. 'Nique either can't or doesn't care to play this type of game.
He's a great scorer, has some great moves, and can make some spectacu-
lar dunks, but he's nowhere near the team player that Worthy is.
Last night's numbers for James: 20 points on 10 for 16 shooting, 7
rebounds, and 7 assists.
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.1414 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Fri May 04 1990 11:07 | 8 |
| >> Besides, I'm free to bash you just as you are to bash Worthy.
No, this isn't true. This is a SPORTS notes file. Sports figures are fair
game for discussing, over-discussing, and bashing. Other noters are not fair
game. Unfortunately the etiquette note didn't make it over to this incarnation
of SPORTS. I'll see if I can dig it up and repost it.
j.
|
| 8.1415 | I NEED RESULTS!!!!!!!! | KBOMFG::TANNER | tougher than the rest | Fri May 04 1990 12:04 | 4 |
| Can someone please send in the four results from last night, and the
up-to-date standings.
Thanks,
dave.
|
| 8.1416 | i only counted 3 games lasted night?? | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Fri May 04 1990 12:11 | 21 |
| Lakers over Rockets 109-88 Lakers take series 3-1
Cleveland over Sixers 108-96 Series tied 2-2, next game at Philly.
Chicago over Bucks 110-86 Chicago takes series 3-1
Elsewhere:
Boston at NY tonight Boston leads 2-1
Utah at Phoenix tonight Phoenix leads 2-1
And:
Detroit's been on vacation in the Bahamas after winning 3-0
sometime lasted week
Portland outlasted Dallas 3-0
SA defeated Denver 3-0
sean
|
| 8.1417 | English and Dantley moving on | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri May 04 1990 12:44 | 10 |
| in the news:
o Alex English won't be back with the Nuggets. So says Denver coach Doug
Moe.
o Dallas has waived Adrian Dantley. An agreement was worked out whereby
the Mavs waived Dantley in exchange of having to pay him next year as
part of a guaranteed contract.
TTom
|
| 8.1418 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Fri May 04 1990 12:45 | 2 |
| English, 36, would only stay at Denver if he was put in a
"reserve" role.
|
| 8.1419 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Fri May 04 1990 12:46 | 6 |
| Oh yeah, one other tidbit. Dallas forward Sam Perkins, who becomes
a free agent on July 1st, was given a 6 year 18 million dollar offer
by the Mavs. Sam said he would wait 3-4 months to decide on the
best offer for him.
sean
|
| 8.1420 | Oups your right!!!! | KBOMFG::TANNER | tougher than the rest | Fri May 04 1990 13:00 | 5 |
| Thanks Sean, your right, there were only three games last night, I
forgot that Portland had closed out the series against Dallas.
Have a good weekend,
regards,
Dave.
|
| 8.1421 | Magic makes Worthy a MUCH better player | 4159::NAZZARO | We're the Dead Beat Club | Fri May 04 1990 13:31 | 13 |
| I know I shouldn't jump into this rathole, but being a degenerate
junk-noter whose heroes are H'awk and 'Saw, I must do it!
Does anyone really not believe that if Dominique Wilkins played
with Magic Johnson that he'd be twice the player he is now? Put
'Nique and Magic together and Wilkins would immediately become
twice the player he is now. I would venture to say that if you
traded Worthy for Wilkins the year each began in the league, it
would be 'Nique with all the rings and Jimmy Clang (tm) with none.
Worthy should genuflect toward Michigan every day and thank his
lucky stars that Magic's mom had a boy.
NAZZ
|
| 8.1422 | more to the stew | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri May 04 1990 13:37 | 4 |
| How about Worthy playing with Jordan. Would he, could he win a ring?
Somehow, I can't see 'Nique and Air on the same team.
TTom
|
| 8.1423 | | UPWARD::HEISER | nice hair dude,what color u call it? | Fri May 04 1990 13:55 | 69 |
| Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Blazers pay big price for playoff win
Date: 2 May 90 20:58:59 GMT
PORTLAND, Ore. (UPI) -- The Portland Trail Blazers' celebration of
their first playoff series victory since 1985 was tempered by serious
injuries to two starters, one of whom could be out for the rest of the
playoffs.
The Blazers hung on for a 106-92 victory over the Dallas Mavericks
at Reunion Arena Tuesday night during a game in which they lost power
forward Buck Williams in the first half and center Kevin Duckworth in
the second.
Portland will open its best-of-seven Western Conference semifinal
series against the San Antonio Spurs on Saturday at Memorial Coliseum.
The Spurs completed their three-game sweep of Denver 131-120 Tuesday
night at Denver.
Team officials said Wednesday that due to TV broadcast
considerations, the time of Saturday's game depends on the status of two
other playoff series. If both the Sixers-Cavaliers and Bulls-Bucks
first-round series go to fifth games, Portland's game will begin at 5
p.m. Saturday. Otherwise, it is due to start at 12:30 p.m.
Williams, Portland's leading rebounder this season, suffered a
corneal abrasion in his right eye and a crack in the bone near the sinus
area from an elbow by Dallas' James Donaldson with 10 seconds left in
the first period.
Team spokesman John Christensen said Williams was troubled by
blurred vision but should be able to resume normal activities in the
next few days and was listed as probable for Saturday's second-round
opener.
Duckworth fractured the fourth metacarpal bone in his right hand
during the third period. Doctors put it in a splint for the next couple
days then probably will place it in a cast.
Although both players will undergo further examination in Portland
by team doctor Robert Cook, the Blazers listed Duckworth as ``highly
unlikely'' for the series against the Spurs -- and he could be out for
the rest of the playoffs.
``It would be pretty hard to protect it,'' Cook said.
Duckworth, upset at the non-call on the play, said he didn't
immediately notice the hand was seriously hurt.
``I shook it a few times,'' he said. ``I just thought it was
jammed.''
Duckworth said he was told by doctors at Baylor University Medical
Center that a plate may have to be put in the hand to aid in healing.
``I don't want that to happen,'' he said. ``I'm not big on metal
plates.''
Duckworth said he and his injured teammate were glad the team won
without them. He also said he expects his backup, Wayne Cooper, to step
in during the next round and give the team what it needs. Duckworth was
the team's third-leading scorer with an average of 16.2 points a game.
``I think `Coop' will have to play some quality minutes,''
Duckworth said. ``He can do that. He's a veteran and he knows what to
do.''
The Blazer bench contributed to a strong performance in the absence
of the two starters. Jerome Kersey scored 29 points and Clyde Drexler
and Terry Porter each added 20 as the Blazers won for the seventh time
in as many meetings against the Mavericks this season.
Williams had played only 11 minutes of the first quarter before
taking Donaldson's elbow in the eye while the two were going after a
rebound. By then, he already had 10 rebounds and seven points. Duckworth
left the game after scoring only 4 points and grabbing 3 rebounds.
Kersey also had nine rebounds and two steals as he held Dallas
forward Sam Perkins to 13 points and eight rebounes before Perkins
fouled out in the final minute. Drexler passed out 10 assists and had
five steals and four rebounds.
The rest of the second-round playoff dates have not been announced,
but Game 2 is expected to be next Tuesday in Portland, with the series
then moving to San Antonio for the next two games.
|
| 8.1424 | Red Whinebach and the 2-3-2 ... | LUNER::BROOKS | This note good while supplies last... | Fri May 04 1990 14:02 | 4 |
| Yo Dan ... don't forget, the Fungus fans weren't whining when they
beat the Rockets in 86 - I heard no bitching about the 2-3-2 then.
Face facts Greeniehood, Red ought to be wearing a skirt ...
|
| 8.1425 | | 7983::RIEU | Stanley, won't you please come home! | Fri May 04 1990 14:17 | 2 |
| Jist remember Dock, Red is John Thompson's hero!
Denny
|
| 8.1426 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Fri May 04 1990 14:42 | 13 |
| Entering rathole...
I think Worthy is a lot better player than Dominique. Dominique
seems to me to be the perennial show time star in the open court.
He does have a consistent offense and is over looked a lot because
of the team he plays on, but I just feel that Worthy is a better
player.
If the roles were reversed, I figure Dominique wouldn't be
averaging as many point per game, rebounds or anything, whereas
James would probably be in the 28.0 ppg range with greater individuals
stats.
sean
|
| 8.1427 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | AFool&HisMoneyAreSoonPartying!! | Fri May 04 1990 15:00 | 2 |
| Magic is so good that he'd make anyone play better with him. Same for
Bird. These are the only two guys you can say that about.
|
| 8.1428 | and Air doesn't? | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri May 04 1990 15:05 | 3 |
| Ask Pippen if having Jordan on his team helps him.
TTom
|
| 8.1429 | re: .1427 | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Fri May 04 1990 15:08 | 7 |
| Depends on the player. I don't think Magic would make Stockton
or Jordan a better player. If Worthy was on a second rate Atlanta
team I'm certain his individual statistics (especially scoring)
would improve because he would be allowed to be more of a controller
than a controlled. IMO.
sean
|
| 8.1430 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | This note good while supplies last... | Fri May 04 1990 16:31 | 20 |
| re .1427
Be careful with that "[insert star] makes everyone around him better"
cliche'
Sir Charles Barkley said it best,
"Larry Bird makes everyone around him better ? Who is it easier
to make better - Kevin McHale or Albert King ?"
BTW, I missed both games last night, but I read today's paper:
The Rockets' starting guards combined to shoot 7 for 27 from the
floor. Floyd was 5-16, and Maxwell was 2-11.
And Worthy scored 10 of his 20 in the last 5 minutes.
Enough said.
DrM
|
| 8.1431 | Tro' me da ball...Tro' me da ball... | UPWARD::WEDDLE | All and all, I'd rather be in Philadelphia | Fri May 04 1990 20:00 | 32 |
|
First thing: I do not like the Lakers. I particularly do not like Magic. I
hated Kareem Abdul Jabber with a passion. BUT, I do respect them. You have
to admire the Lakers (and the Celtics of old, and Detroit, etc.) for getting
players that understand BASKETBALL. Basketball is a TEAM game. You aren't
considered great unless your team wins championships (Ask Dominique,
Patrick, Akeem, Karl, etc). Your team cannot be great unless people
fill their roles. For the Lakers, Magic has a role (anything and everything).
James has a role (Scoring and Getting out on the break)...A.C. has a role
(Rebounding and 'D'). If they don't fill their roles, they don't win as
much. If they don't win, they don't get the pub. If they don't get the pub,
they don't get the rep. If they don't have the rep, they don't get the respect.
If they don't get respect, they don't get the calls. If they don't get the
calls, they don't win as much. Hmmm...sounds like a vicious circle that
you can't get on unless you have management that has a concept that can win,
that can get players that can play, and that the players know, accept and
execute their roles. Then you need luck.
Other b.s.:
Jamz vs. Nique - Nique ain't the best player in his family!
Akeem vs. Ewing - Who cares! Just kidding. They are both as
good as it gets today but Centers today simply cannot
dominate like the old days because EVERYBODY is so much
better.
Finals - Got to be Boston vs. Lakers. Personnally, I'd like to
see the Suns vs. Anybody but I quit saying prayers years
ago. Detroit may slip in but Isiah the Weinie has got to
buy a vowel. Chicago could make it (I'll never put limits on
what Jordan can do). In the west, only Portland had a chance
but injuries will kill them.
Jim
|
| 8.1432 | another Suns fan! | UPWARD::HEISER | SPORTS' Objective Analyst | Fri May 04 1990 20:13 | 4 |
| ><<< Note 8.1431 by UPWARD::WEDDLE "All and all, I'd rather be in Philadelphia" >>>
Alright Weddle! You gotta keep coming in here to help me fend off the
Laker wolves!
|
| 8.1433 | Playoff update | CSC32::GL_JOHNSON | The Uplift Mofo Party Plan | Sat May 05 1990 14:18 | 4 |
| New York 135, Boston 108 - series tied 2-2
Utah 105, Phoenix 94 - series tied 2-2
Glen J.
|
| 8.1434 | How sweet it is | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '90 | Sun May 06 1990 23:35 | 14 |
| In game 5 both road teams won.
Knicks 121-114 over the Celtics.
Knicks become 3rd team in NBA history to come back from a 2-0 deficit
and win a 5 game series. Knicks break 26 game losing streak in Boston
Garden. Mo Cheeks is only player to have won 2 deciding games against
the Celtics in the Bird era. 1982 76ers and 90 Knicks
Phoenix won by 2 on a Kevin Johnson jumper with .8 seconds left.
Utah lead by 8 middle of the 4th quarter.
The Crazy Met
|
| 8.1435 | send em' all I deserve em' | CNTROL::CHILDS | The odor of the Fungus never fouler | Mon May 07 1990 11:00 | 15 |
|
now accepting all size crows for digestion. I need about a months
worth to last the playoffs. "Gang Green" and assistant coach Jimmy
Rodgers were at their finest yesterday. Great trade by the Knicks.
Oakley and Ewing deleivered big but Cheeks had to be the difference.
It's going to be a tough month raggin on thsoe left when everytime
I turn around someone going to say "Hey Mike, I heard Larry shot
a 98 yesterday".... ;^(
Lots of extenuating circumstance but bottom line Knicks wanted it more
and Celts just expected to happen for them because they've been there
before.....
mike
|
| 8.1436 | Check out my reverse jam! Oooops. | DOCTP::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Mon May 07 1990 11:05 | 4 |
| Any truth to the rumor that Larry is planning on entering the Slam Dunk
competition at next year's All-Star weekend? :)
|
| 8.1437 | | CAM::WAY | There's no winners...only survivors | Mon May 07 1990 11:09 | 12 |
| re Mike C:
Mike, you can't use "Gang Green"...that's trademarked by
Alan Greenberg in his Hartford Courant column...it's how
he refers to the Whalers 8^) 8^) 8^)
re what I've seen of hoops this season:
NBA :== National Boxing Association
Chainsaw
|
| 8.1438 | | BUILD::MORGAN | | Mon May 07 1990 11:28 | 6 |
| Ya but Frank, according to some of the people in here, the NHL is the
only place that allows fighting to occur.
The NBA is getting much worse, not better.
Steve
|
| 8.1439 | NBA title goes West again....... | SASE::SZABO | | Mon May 07 1990 11:31 | 12 |
| 8.1440 | | CAM::WAY | Seize the day! | Mon May 07 1990 12:38 | 8 |
| Hawk, I agree about the coaching situation in Bahston...
And re the fighting, I am really appalled. I really am. Hoops (even
though it ain't my favorite sport) never seemed to have as many
fisticuffs, scalp massages, slapfests, pushing matches as it does
today....
'Saw
|
| 8.1441 | THE REFUREE'S ARE TO BLAM | JACKAL::DIGGINS | Boy I wish I had Talant! | Mon May 07 1990 12:50 | 3 |
|
THE REF'S ARE TOO BLAM FOR ALL THE FIHGTIN IN THE NBA'S.
THE NLH HOCKEY IS NOT TO BLAM.
|
| 8.1442 | The demise of the integrity of the game. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon May 07 1990 13:33 | 27 |
| There's no question the problem with fighting in the NBA stems from the
officiating. (Or lack thereof ...) The amount of contact that goes
uncalled has long-reached outrageous proportions. But don't blame the
men with the whistles. It's not their fault.
Interesting comment by commish Stern regarding changes for next year.
He sez the refs are gonna start cleaning up the inside stuff. I'm
gonna assume that comment is just a PR move (to alleviate fears that the
NBA is turning hockey on us) cause I doubt he's cleared the game
extensions (and resulting TV schedule changes) that will result from more
foul calls with CBS yet. (The networks hate fouls cause they make the
game go beyond pre-defined boundaries.)
Sadly, college hoops is starting to suffer the same malady. (You don't
think that $1 billion CBS shelled out was for nothin' do ya?) Defenses
are now rewarded for grabbing and holding. A cutter to the hoop is
more-times-than-not held, and how many times is there a call? (Coaches
now teach the grab & hold move, BTW.) Incredible banging goes
uncalled, all under the bogus veil of "there's no competitive advantage
gained" crap.
The reason? Why, demographic marketing research clearly shows that
ratings are higher when fewer fouls are called and the action stops
less.
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.1443 | Blazers - Spurs | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Mon May 07 1990 14:44 | 48 |
| Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball,clari.sports.top
Subject: NBA Playoff Capsules
Western Conference Semifinals
Portland Trail Blazers
Coach -- Rick Adelman.
Finish -- 59-23 overall, 3-1 vs. San Antonio
Previous round -- Swept Dallas 3-0.
Starting lineup -- sf-Jerome Kersey (20.3 ppg, 7.7 rpg); pf-Buck
Williams (14.7 ppg, 13.0 rpg); c-Wayne Cooper (4.0 ppg, 4.7 rpg);
pg-Terry Porter (21.0 ppg, 7.0 apg); og-Clyde Drexler (16.0 ppg, 5.7
rpg, 7.3 apg).
Bench -- f-Cliff Robinson (5.3 ppg, 2.7 rpg); g-Drazen Petrovic (7.0
ppg, 2.0 apg).
Key stat -- The Blazers need a big series from Clyde Drexler, whose
playoff scoring statistics are seven points under his regular-season
average.
Outlook -- Williams is questionable after suffering an eye injury
against Dallas, while center Kevin Duckworth probably will miss the rest
of the playoffs with a broken bone in his right hand. Cooper's play will
be a major factor in the series, but the Blazers may need more than
Cooper if they hope to slow San Antonio's David Robinson.
San Antonio Spurs
Coach -- Larry Brown.
Finish -- 56-26, 1-3 vs. Portland.
Previous round -- Swept Denver 3-0.
Starting lineup -- sf-Sean Elliott (14.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg); pf-Terry
Cummings (22.7 ppg, 11.0 rpg); c-David Robinson (28.3 ppg, 13.7 rpg);
pg-Rod Strickland (13.3 ppg, 10.3 apg); og-Willie Anderson (26.0 ppg,
5.1 apg).
Bench -- g-David Wingate (9.3 rpg, 4.7 apg); f-Frank Brickowski (8.3
ppg, 6.0 rpg).
Key stat -- Spurs have hit 52.8 percent of their field-goal attempts
in the playoffs.
Outlook -- Robinson will have his hands full with Portland's quick
inside men, all of whom love to crash the boards. This series will be
Robinson's toughest test as a professional and how he handles it likely
will determine whether the Spurs reach the conference finals.
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| 8.1444 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Mon May 07 1990 15:14 | 6 |
| Does Portland-SA play game 2 tonight? I know Portland won the
first game Saturday... Seems logical that they would be playing
the second game of a TNT double header tonight right after
Chicago-Philly. Thanks for any info.
sean
|
| 8.1445 | Tomorrow, tomorrow... | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | The grass is greener, but you still have to mow it! | Mon May 07 1990 15:58 | 4 |
| My paper, which is pretty unreliable shows the Blazers-Spurs game
tomorrow night. Hope to see the opening game of the Suns-Lakers.
Bret
|
| 8.1446 | The Cotton Club opened late | UPWARD::WEDDLE | All and all, I'd rather be in Philadelphia | Mon May 07 1990 18:22 | 21 |
| Did anyone besides Heiser and myself catch the Suns-Jazz game Sunday? Great
game and a great finish. It didn't look good for the Suns until they found
a way to stop Karl "The Checks' in the Mail, Man" Malone. They put Thunder Dan
on him. Karl only scored 2 points in the last 5:32 and that was the tying
basket with West guarding him. KJ and Chambers played great but the game
should ball(s) should go to Marjele, Eddie Johnson and Cotton (Cah-Tone).
Thunder's job on Malone, Eddie's incredible shooting and Cotton's move to
a smaller/quicker lineup were the keys. I'll be the first to admit I was
ready to ship Eddie out of town. He hasn't been the same since last year's
series against the Lakers. He struggled all year to reach last year's form
and finally reached it yesterday. We'll see if he, as he says, 'redeems'
himself against the Lakers.
Any thoughts on that series?
- Too bad for the Celts'...I thought they had a chance. They did until
Larry's near dunk. Liked the comment about the dunk contest. Somehow,
I can't see Mars Blackmon/Spike Lee saying to Larry:
"Money, it's gotta be the shoes!"
|
| 8.1447 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '90 | Mon May 07 1990 18:26 | 7 |
| re: .1435
We'll let you off the hook - for now (but only if you're REAL quiet for
a while :-)
The Crazy Met
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| 8.1448 | test this | CNTROL::CHILDS | The odor of the Fungus never fouler | Mon May 07 1990 18:46 | 9 |
|
thanks Met but I don't deserve it. Besides it's only a game, I'm
already over it and with all the crow I've eaten before my system
is immune.....
hey Dan, a good test for the Lakers hahhaaa THEY'RE GOING DOWN!!!!
mike
|
| 8.1449 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Mon May 07 1990 21:32 | 9 |
| Re: Mike Childs (sorry about the last name, too many Mike's around)
Don't you just despise the arrogance of some of these Laker fans?!?
The wagon jumpers are bad enough!
If Phoenix pulls the upset, we'll have to look no further than this
conference for all of our crow ammo!
Mike
|
| 8.1450 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Rejoice! Knicks ELIMINATE Celtics | Tue May 08 1990 00:59 | 7 |
| Just trying to help Mike :-)
With lots and lots and lots of luck maybe the Knicks can beat Detroit.
That way the season won't be a complete loss for Celtics fans.
The Crazy Met
|
| 8.1451 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | and remember always use your elbows | Tue May 08 1990 10:45 | 10 |
|
agreed Mike, why Dan alone is worth a notesfiles full of Celtics fan
arrongance and then throw in the good Doc.... ;^)
Met, they got a chance especially if Ewing stays on top of his game
and Oakley doesn't reinjure his hand. I look forward to the battle
on Detroit's offense board between Oakley and Rodman. It sure would
help if Kiki could find his old form....
mike
|
| 8.1452 | | 15436::LEFEBVRE | St. Barths: No tan lines allowed | Tue May 08 1990 14:29 | 8 |
| While on business in St. Barthelemy last week (off the coast of
St. Maarten), I bumped into Ronny Seikly at a bar playing pool.
After I housed him in a game of 8 ball, he bought me a drink.
Seems like a pretty regular guy. Now, the woman he was with makes
Julia Roberts look like /Don.
Mark.
|
| 8.1453 | But did you get Vivian an autograph? Skoal? | SONG::ASHE | Miss America, USA, Playmate '90,& me | Tue May 08 1990 15:00 | 1 |
| Doesn't that belong in "brush with greatness"?
|
| 8.1454 | Go Knicks! | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Oh+ | Tue May 08 1990 15:15 | 17 |
| >agreed Mike, why Dan alone is worth a notesfiles full of Celtics fan
>arrongance...
Aw, c'mon. Look at the Lakers and Suns. I'm talking reality. And I
haven't even said word one about the C's.
>Met, they got a chance especially if Ewing stays on top of his game
>and Oakley doesn't reinjure his hand. I look forward to the battle
>on Detroit's offense board between Oakley and Rodman. It sure would
>help if Kiki could find his old form....
Sounds like you'll be rooting for the Knicks. I guess you're starting
to realize exactly what Ewing is about, huh? The Knicks are still
playing because of Patrick. Reason No. 1.
Dan
|
| 8.1455 | Detriot will humble Patrick and the Knicks. | SASE::SZABO | | Tue May 08 1990 15:39 | 13 |
| 8.1456 | One call did not make that series | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Tue May 08 1990 15:42 | 9 |
| >The #1 reason they're still playing is because of the serious
>home-cooking they enjoyed at MSG during game 3, last wednesday night.
>The horrendous call on the inbounds pass from Bird to McHale, who
Bird threw a bounce pass that bounced out of bounds. That's not home
cookin'. Thems the rules. The Celtics and lame-duck Jimmy Rodgers
whined about over the back in the papers, but forgot about effort.
Dan
|
| 8.1457 | hopefully not a KOD... | CNTROL::CHILDS | and remember always use your elbows | Tue May 08 1990 16:03 | 19 |
|
Dan, I never said that Ewing wasn't an excellent player and that I
didn't understand what he was about I simply prefer Akeem. Due to
his superiority on the boards and all around defensive game. As for
Patrick he sure does get his share of calls. Everytime he makes a
move in the lane he just keeps walking till he gets open. ;^)
Hey the Lakers were supposed to be the superior team to Houston
in 81 and 86 and look what happened. As Slasher said the Lakers
are my second favorite team. My favorite team is everyone else.
I'll go to my grave rooting against them.....
If the inbound pass was so clearly outbounds why didn't the ref
6 feet from the play call it? Get real will ya, you and the guy
out at halfcourt are the only ones to see it outbounds...
GO SUNS!!!!
mike
|
| 8.1458 | inbounds | TREND::COHEN | | Tue May 08 1990 16:40 | 10 |
|
>
>
> Bird threw a bounce pass that bounced out of bounds. That's not home
> cookin'. Thems the rules. The Celtics and lame-duck Jimmy Rodgers
> whined about over the back in the papers, but forgot about effort
>
The replay showed the ball was clearly inbounds. Doesn't change anything
except you're WRONG!!
|
| 8.1459 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Tue May 08 1990 16:46 | 13 |
| SO TEHRE BABY!!!!
umm.. but seriously, I'd have to admit that game 3 was a hearty
serving of stove top stuffing for the Knicks. Their mama's never
knew what REAL home cooking was like until they saw that game.
there were a lot of poor calls that fell the Knicks way, and I guess
it could be argued that it costed the C's the game, and ultimately
the series.
but then again I could be wrong.... go bulls. 8^)
sean
|
| 8.1460 | Get it straight Dan | LUNER::BROOKS | Fishbones,rattles,Browns,Cavs | Tue May 08 1990 17:43 | 11 |
| Dan, you sweat too much (tm).
The number 1 and 1A reasons fo the Knicks turnaround is Oakley (for
1) Blasting his teammmates into playing better TEAM ball, 2) For mental
toughness in a five game series, and 3) His inside play.) and Mo
Cheeks (for regulating the tempo, and for a fantastic fifth game.
The Knicks would have lost that game with Mark Jackson on the point).
Ewing was reason 2 at best.
Doc
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| 8.1461 | Oakley: "Patrick was the man!" | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Tue May 08 1990 17:48 | 9 |
| >Ewing was reason 2 at best.
There's not a person that is on the Knicks team, that coaches the
Knicks, that reports on the Knicks, or that knows anything on earth
about the Knicks that would agree with you there, Doc. But it's a nice
fantasy that you built up in your head. Right next to one call
deciding the series (the current Green Docker excuse).
Dan
|
| 8.1462 | Oakley's favorite shot = cheap! | SASE::SZABO | | Tue May 08 1990 17:55 | 8 |
| 8.1463 | There's two | TREND::COHEN | | Tue May 08 1990 17:57 | 11 |
|
I agree with -2. Sure, Ewing is a great player and he had a great series,
BUT the difference was Oakley's and Cheeks play. The Celtics never figured
what to do with Oakley and it showed. He intimidated the hell out of them.
Without him, there would have been a 3 game sweep. And Cheeks was a killer
in game 5. He only shot 80% in that game. He was most of the offense in the
third quarter, when the game was still anyone's to win. Without these two,
Ewing would have had another valiant 50+ game and the Knicks would still have
lost.
Bob
|
| 8.1464 | C's should *never* complain about the refs. EVER!! | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Tue May 08 1990 17:58 | 7 |
| >Dan, Dan, Dan, that 1 play did not decide the series, it was just 1
>example of typical Clemson reffing in game 3......
Even if it were true, the Celtics have lived from that sword 20 times
for every time they've died from it.
Dan
|
| 8.1465 | no arguement there! | SASE::SZABO | | Tue May 08 1990 17:59 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1466 | BAY\ | CNTROL::CHILDS | and remember always use your elbows | Tue May 08 1990 18:02 | 8 |
|
Dan, I never used the inbounding play as an excuse. Check back you'll
see that I gave the knicks credit for their play and BLAM (tm) "Gang
Green" and Jimmy for the unispired play of the Celts. As I have learnt
the calls tend to balance out except where those wretched Fakers are
concerned.....
GD#1
|
| 8.1467 | | REFINE::ASHE | Miss America, USA, Playmate '90,& me | Tue May 08 1990 18:08 | 3 |
| I agree with Doc too. They were in a trance before Oakley lit a fire
under them and backed it up. Ewing played well throughout but he
needed help to push them over...
|
| 8.1468 | also in the Doc's corner | CNTROL::CHILDS | and remember always use your elbows | Tue May 08 1990 18:14 | 4 |
|
Dan it seems you're an island while Doc is country on this one.....
mike
|
| 8.1469 | Dan = Falklands?!! :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Tue May 08 1990 18:29 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1470 | | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Tue May 08 1990 18:41 | 9 |
| That's okay with me. I'm on this island, and with me stand the guys like the
Knicks coach, Charles Oakley (one guy who was allegedly more important
than Patrick), Mo Cheeks (the other guy), Trent Tucker, Johnny Newman,
Pete Vescey (Knicks answer to Bob Ryan), and virtually anyone who really
knows anything about the Knicks.
Do you guys not on the island think the world is flat, too?
Dan
|
| 8.1471 | thanks for the support | EARRTH::BROOKS | Fishbones,rattles,Browns,Cavs | Tue May 08 1990 19:51 | 13 |
|
re .1468
> Dan it seems you're an island while Doc is country on this one....
Nothing new there Mike ... check out the Namath and Akeem/Ewing
"debates" ... :-)
> Doc is country on this one....
Oh yeah, I might have lived in Houston, but I ain't country ! :-)
Doc
|
| 8.1472 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Fishbones,rattles,Browns,Cavs | Tue May 08 1990 19:56 | 16 |
| Dan is on Devil's Island ...
or is it Alcatraz ?
Seriously, I recognize the fact that Ewing played monsterball. ANd
10 years from now, that's probably all we'll hear about. But the
fact of the matter is, that Mo Cheeks played a textbook game on
the point (near-perfect as far as I'm concerned), and the Game 5
victory in particular was an ensemble performance. Gearld Wilkins,
Oakley, Trent Tucker, the team, and Stu Jackson were all superb.
Remember Dan, no man is an island.
Or did you know that ?
U.S. Midnight
|
| 8.1473 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Rejoice! Knicks ELIMINATE Celtics | Wed May 09 1990 01:01 | 17 |
| Ouch Detroit wins game 1 112-77 (something like that) It doesn't feel
as bad as game 2 in Boston.
re: Ewing
I gotta go with Dan on this one. Oakley and Cheeks were incredibly
important, but without a dominating force like Ewing it would have made
no difference. His ability to pass when double teamed and get over that
lousy 4th quarter have to be the number 1 reason the Knicks pulled out
game 5. In games 3 and 4 he was totally godlike especially game 4.
This is not taking anything away from Cheeks, Oakley, etc. but Ewing
was reason number 1 Knicks won that series. When Ewing finally started
to play at the top of his game Knicks won 3 straight.
The Crazy Met
|
| 8.1474 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Rejoice! Knicks ELIMINATE Celtics | Wed May 09 1990 01:02 | 6 |
| re: -1
SHould have been Ewing getting over lousy 1st quarter.
The Crazy Met
|
| 8.1475 | NBA news | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Wed May 09 1990 04:16 | 11 |
| NBA News.......
Last I heard was that Portland was beating the Spurs by alot
thanks to a 28 to 4 run in the first half(I think). The Lakers
lost to the Suns AT THE FORUM by 2 pnts and the Pistons beat on
the Knicks holding them to 77 pnts.
Rony Siekly of the Miami Heat was named the Nba most improved
player of the year award edging out Reggie Miller. Stats in next
note.
|
| 8.1476 | Inconsistency, thy name is Jimmy Clang | SAGE::ROSS | Goin' South | Wed May 09 1990 10:07 | 7 |
| I hope Worthy lovers will come in and give him his due today just like
they did last week.
9 for 26 from the field. 2 rebounds. 1 assist.
He was doing such a good job of guarding Chambers in the first quarter
that they switched over to stop that offensive weapon Dan Majerle.
|
| 8.1477 | Vacancy at Causeway Street | TOLKIN::FARLEY | Have YOU seen Elvis today?? | Wed May 09 1990 10:21 | 10 |
| JIMMY RODGERS WAS FIRED FROM THE C'S YESTEDAY.
Leading contender for the job is Chris Ford.
I'm suprised I got to put this here first!
You JN'rs are slippin'
;^)
|
| 8.1478 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | B's: the Broon Broomers | Wed May 09 1990 10:29 | 10 |
|
Re: JR fired.
Can't see Chris Ford as any kind of improvement. The guy doesn't
even speak unless spoken to.
Looks like a few years of rebuilding ahead.
Dickster
|
| 8.1479 | Magic shouldn't have been out with Mark and me the night before | CNTROL::CHILDS | and remember always use your elbows | Wed May 09 1990 10:33 | 25 |
|
ah the look on the faces of the Lakers' fans at the end worth staying
up till 1:00 in the morning. Mark West was the MAN last night with
20+ points 13 rebounds and 7 blocks. Hard to believe the Suns would win
with KJ only getting 2 to 5 points. Chambers started hot and then it
was brick city ala Jimmy Clang. Of the 9 shots Worthy hit 5 of them had
to be dunks. The only thing that stinks is you know he'll be back to
haunt us sometime. Magic also was very cold and I can't understand
what Riley was up to last night as AC never saw the court in the
fourth quarter. The announcers said that he wasn't hurt and up until
then he had 16 points and 11 boards. Just didn't make sense, it's not
like Riley to let the other team dicate who he plays (ie matchups).
Still though it's only 1 game and it takes 4. Personal strings broken
last night: Suns had lost 21 straight at the Forum, and Cotton had
lost 37 straight there. Still though the one to be broken is Suns
are 0-6 against Lakers all time playoffs.
side note: it was probably the best officiated game I've seen in all
the playoffs. Probably helps that both teams prefer to run instead
of playing the physical intimatation game. If Thump and Bumb had been
in this game they wouldn't have even worked up a sweat.....
mike
|
| 8.1480 | Mark West was THE Man | UPWARD::WEDDLE | | Wed May 09 1990 10:51 | 14 |
| Unfortunately, I'm up tonight supporting a miserable AP application.
Fortunately, I have the morning paper here describing the exploits of the
Phoenix Suns. They completely outplayed the Lakers down the stretch and
as Mike C. said, Mark West was the MAN. His personal line was:
Min FG FT Reb At PF St Tr Pts
47 10-17 4-7 16 0 2 0 1 24
He added 7 (SEVEN!) blocked shots. The rebounds, blocks and points down
the stretch (even a free throw with 14 seconds left.
It's going to be a good series.
Jim
|
| 8.1481 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | and remember always use your elbows | Wed May 09 1990 11:03 | 8 |
|
What's with the Rebook girls at the end of the Lakers bench? Aren't the
Laker girls enough? Also somebody please give Arsenio Hall a
cheerleader's uniform he was a bit rideculous last night with his
cheering. Also why should he be allowed onto the court? If I tried
that in any arena I'd be on my way to the pokey......
mike
|
| 8.1482 | | SASE::SZABO | | Wed May 09 1990 11:12 | 3 |
| 8.1483 | We've been down before... | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Wed May 09 1990 12:39 | 33 |
| Mike, did you dream about Magic again last night?
I'm not happy with last night's performance, but I'm not crushed.
There's a lot more series to go, and the Suns just think they won the
world series. I don't see Magic and James shooting so poorly again,
nor West playing so big a role. (Of course, Doug, we analysts always
look at one game, ignore the rest of the career and pronounce a verdict
of "inconsistent".)
Riley has gone to Woolridge a lot down the stretch in big games this
year and in the playoffs against houston. As important as a
well-rounded game is, the guy who can play a big offensive role in the
last few minutes of a close game, and not let down at the other end sis
one of the most important players on the floor. Without Kareem, Magic
and Worthy get all the attention. Orlando is in there, I think, to
keep the defense honest. He's played big often, but last night he more
or less disappeared
Oh well, game 2 Thursday night, games 3 and 4 back to back Saturday,
Sunday in Phoenix. If I was a celtic fan, I'd be screaming bloody
murder and combine that with Mike! of all people calling the game
well-officiated ...but I'm not, I'm a Laker fan, so I must
be above that kind of stuff.
Lakers have enough blame to pass around among themselves. They were
poised to break this one open in the 3rd, and so often they'ed miss a
basket that would put them up by a lot that was very makeable and then
give up an easy bucket tot he Suns as a result. I don't see them do
those kind of theings often, and the Suns are to be lauded for staying
tough at those times. They sure got KJ spooked out there, don't they.
And will it be another year of silence for EJ?
Dan
|
| 8.1484 | | SAGE::ROSS | Goin' South | Wed May 09 1990 12:51 | 16 |
| I see the Lakers on a timetable that trails the Celtics by about two
years. This year will be the second round loss... Next year will be
a key injury to Magic or Worthy... The next year will be "gee, Magic,
Worthy, Cooper, Thompson" are all over thirty... what do we do?
Vlade Divac's flaws will become more pronounced. He is missing some
real fundamentals, especially on defense.
My favorite moment {I only watched the first quarter} last night was
when Chambers got the ball on offense and James' first defensive move
was a two hand push to Chambers chest. He gets away with that more
than Bird does with his grabbing.
Okay, let's not call James inconsistent. Let's just say he has a
history of throwing a 30% fg, 2 rebound, 1 assist night at you about
1 out of every 5 games...
|
| 8.1485 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | Give me hope Johanna | Wed May 09 1990 13:15 | 31 |
| 8.1486 | Dan's World & Purple Glasses | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Wed May 09 1990 13:50 | 23 |
| > There's a lot more series to go, and the Suns just think they won the
> world series. I don't see Magic and James shooting so poorly again,
Says who? You don't know what you're talking about. The Suns know
better than to think that. I think they're more confident now that
they made LA look like the humans that they are.
> Lakers have enough blame to pass around among themselves. They were
> poised to break this one open in the 3rd, and so often they'ed miss a
Another way to look at it, is that a good team would've taken advantage
of the Suns' mistakes. Phoenix played sloppy in the 3rd and I wouldn't
expect to see them do that again.
> tough at those times. They sure got KJ spooked out there, don't they.
> And will it be another year of silence for EJ?
No they don't, they just did a good job of doubling him. Obviously, he
still found the open man. Both KJ and EJ hit some clutch baskets
during crunch time in the last couple minutes, especially EJ's three
pointer and the 2 pointer that put them ahead to stay.
Mike
|
| 8.1487 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Neely,Ewing,Borque,Cheeks... | Wed May 09 1990 14:16 | 23 |
| Some funny stuff in here. Haven't read through it all. But anyone
eventhe most green of Celtics fans, or the most vehemently anti-Ewing
fan has to be crazy to not think theonly reason the Knicks are still
playing is Ewing. He simply carried the team on his back the last
3 games vs. the Celtics. That's why he's better than Akeem. Akeem
constantly carries a team to a 1st round loss. He's not a team
player - probably stemming from his maturing under Guy Lewis.
I like Akeem, but I'm still chuckling over the first not I saw
after logging in after a week + out. It was Doctor Midnight spouting
off "Any doubt Akeem is better" - of course, the Rockets had jsut
beat LA, and the Knicks were down 2-0 to the Celts.
I also laugh at the arguements earlier about the 'superior' personnel
on the Knicks. ha ha.
Oh, and BTW, I sure LOVED games 4 and 5 vs. the Celts - and especially
liked McHales' whining and Birds' attempt at a dunk. I was rolling
bigtime!!!! Nice going Lawwy. HawHawHaw.
Now it's time to see where the vanes go, since the Celts, Cavs,
Rockets, jazz, et al are gone....
JD
|
| 8.1488 | | SASE::SZABO | Just say YES to freakin' lunaticism! | Wed May 09 1990 14:29 | 14 |
| JD, gotta give Larry credit for attempting to dunk 'cause we all know
that white guys don't have that particular talent and creativity. :-)
I'd bet my house that had he made that slammer, his index finger would
NOT have been pointing to the Garden rafters........
I've read that Bird has taken the loss very hard and is pretty much
putting the blame on himself. Too bad for all you Bird-bashers who are
waiting for him to blast his teammates so you can blast him. It only
proves that he's very much a human being, a classy one at that. MHO.
Go Suns!
H'awk
|
| 8.1489 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | and remember always use your elbows | Wed May 09 1990 14:47 | 17 |
|
Hey Dan as far as the one game comparsions go for Jimmy, how many times
have you thrown game 7 two years ago in our face? Also I don't buy the
Orlando giving it at both ends more than AC does viable. AC has an
outside shot is a good defender and certainly the better rebounder of
the two. Maybe Riles is trying to hold "O" up to the world as one of
his great reclamation projects?
As for the officiating I guess when Magic doesn't get his automatics
all purple fans figure they got jobbed.
Isn't KJ also playing with a hippointer? I'm sure this had more to do
with him being less effective than the Lakers' d, which much to my
surprise played it pretty straight up instead of their pattended
zones...
mike
|
| 8.1490 | It's the end of the world as we know it! | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Wed May 09 1990 15:42 | 43 |
| 8.1491 | More game 1 fallout. Sweeps are easier. | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Wed May 09 1990 15:49 | 21 |
| >Isn't KJ also playing with a hippointer? I'm sure this had more to do
>with him being less effective than the Lakers' d, which much to my
>surprise played it pretty straight up instead of their pattended
>zones...
I'll remind you that in last year's playoffs, the Lakers frustrated KJ
as well. Mike Heiser mistakenly has referred to the SUns lapse in the
3rd quarter as "playing sloppy". The reality of the situation is that
the Lakers increased the defensive pressure on KJ and played his
passing lanes well. The Lakers forced his hand, and they've shown KJ a
number of different defenses. As yet, he hasn't shown that he can
handle it that well.
>Maybe Riles is trying to hold "O" up to the world as one of
>his great reclamation projects?
Orlando can create a shot out of nothing, and knows what to do with the
ball when he gets it down low. He's not AC on the boards, or on D, but
since he has shown he can hold his own, Riley likes him in close games.
Dan
|
| 8.1492 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | and remember always use your elbows | Wed May 09 1990 16:10 | 11 |
|
Well I can't argue with your logic there Dan about my feelings with
the officiating ;^)
I do agree that lakers defense was the cause of the sloppy play and
I do agree with the assumption of the "O" able to make a shot for
himself better than AC but considering the pounding the Lakers were
taking on the defensive board it seems to me it would have made more
sense to play AC and cut down on the Suns' second chances.
mike
|
| 8.1493 | | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Wed May 09 1990 16:40 | 16 |
| >I do agree with the assumption of the "O" able to make a shot for
>himself better than AC but considering the pounding the Lakers were
>taking on the defensive board it seems to me it would have made more
>sense to play AC and cut down on the Suns' second chances.
I agree with you, but I have to admit that using O has worked for
Riley.
The bottom line is that the Lakers should have been in a position to
lose the game at the end. it should have been iced in the 3rd. I
think they'll come out Thursday more prepared to play the transition
game themselves. When they turned it on late in the 1st, early in the
second, they took over even if it looked a little rusty. With Magic in
the middle, the right things happen.
Dan
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>I do agree with the assumption of the "O" able to make a shot for
>himself better than AC but considering the pounding the Lakers were
>taking on the defensive board it seems to me it would have made more
>sense to play AC and cut down on the Suns' second chances.
I agree with you, but I have to admit that using O has worked for
Riley.
The bottom line is that the Lakers should have been in a position to
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lose the game at the end. it should have been iced in the 3rd. I
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Couldn't agree with you more ;^)
Dan
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| 8.1495 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | Give me hope Johanna | Wed May 09 1990 18:16 | 32 |
| > >Dan, where were you earlier this year when every the other Laker fans
> >(not you, but virtually every other Laker fan) was doing the exact
> >same thing to Bird. If you are to be the objective analyst that
> >you once claimed, you need to defend both players.
> You can include me in, Bruce. I critisized Bird too in the first half
> of this year. He deserved it. It was more than one bad shooting night
> which earned him the criticism. In fact, it wasn't just Laker fans,
> but a more well-rounded group of critics known as basketball fans who
> have been critical of Bird. What this has to do with the criticism of
> Worthy offered by the usual tired, jealous critics escapes me.
Dan, one thing I respected you for was you did not get into the
"Bird was 9/26 today, nyah,nyah" bull. Criticizing him for the
first half is completely different and objective. However when
you chastise someone for bringing up one of Worthy's games as
indicative of his career, to be objective you should do the same
to someone who says it of Bird.
> >Dan, this is a false statement. A Celtic fan was in here saying
> >that the game was fairly well officiated.
> But the Lakers play through those things, and I as a fan can live
> without excuse-making. (But James was pushed on that last shot by
> Chambers.)
Shouldn't you have started out that statement saying "read my lips-
no excuse making?"
Bruce
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| 8.1496 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Thu May 10 1990 12:30 | 14 |
| > <<< Note 8.1491 by WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER "I will not instigate revolution." >>>
> I'll remind you that in last year's playoffs, the Lakers frustrated KJ
> as well. Mike Heiser mistakenly has referred to the SUns lapse in the
> 3rd quarter as "playing sloppy". The reality of the situation is that
> the Lakers increased the defensive pressure on KJ and played his
> passing lanes well. The Lakers forced his hand, and they've shown KJ a
> number of different defenses. As yet, he hasn't shown that he can
> handle it that well.
Yeah the D was so great that KJ had 12 assists. Most of them to West,
who LA can't handle.
Mike
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| 8.1497 | Scott Did A Number On KJ | VIA::NORI | | Thu May 10 1990 13:22 | 9 |
| re: .1496
What about rest of his game ? Magic had 14 assist and 10+ points, so
what ? Magic had a terrible game, IMO he was one of the main resons
why the Lakers lost. Soctt was doing a number on KJ, he was making KJ
to move to left side of the court and KJ can not drive or take a good
shot from the left side.
-- Ram Nori
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| 8.1498 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Thu May 10 1990 13:55 | 18 |
| > <<< Note 8.1497 by VIA::NORI >>>
> What about rest of his game ? Magic had 14 assist and 10+ points, so
> what ? Magic had a terrible game, IMO he was one of the main resons
> why the Lakers lost. Soctt was doing a number on KJ, he was making KJ
> to move to left side of the court and KJ can not drive or take a good
> shot from the left side.
-- Ram, not true! KJ drives from either side. The Suns set up that
clear out on either side of the lane so he can go one on one with his
man.
KJ's main shot is usually 18-20 feet straight out, within the
boundaries of the lane. He rarely shoots from the corners. Chambers,
EJ, and Hornacek usually work the corners.
Mike
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| 8.1499 | Liberty and Mustaf in draft | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu May 10 1990 15:34 | 5 |
| 2 NBA hardships:
Marcus Liberty from Illinois and Jerrod (sp?) Mustaf from Maryland.
TTom
|
| 8.1500 | | SAGE::ROSS | Goin' South | Thu May 10 1990 16:21 | 10 |
| If Larry Johnson and Dennis Scott are added to the hardship list, I can't
see how anyone could rate this draft as weak. I wish the Celts could
get Dallas to give up a first rounder for McHale... they have three.
Can anyone explain what happened with/to Randy White on the Mavs? Was
he the ultimate hype job? Does he have any talent? What about George
McCloud? Was he mis-cast in Indiana? Seems they tried to make him a
point guard when the two spot was more appropriate.
Does anyone know when the draft order will be determined?
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| 8.1501 | KJ played well | UPWARD::WEDDLE | | Thu May 10 1990 18:55 | 7 |
| I've got to agree with Heiser...KJ had a good game. I think he did what it
took to win. The Lakers made it a priority to cut off his drives and found
West and others. He played under control and he only took 7 shots (made 4).
I've got to believe that his hip pointer bothers him some but only he could
be the judge of that. The key is -----> The Suns won. If they can stay away
from a blowout early tonight and stay within a few baskets they may steal
another one. Now wouldn't that make the California Raisans sing sour grapes?
|
| 8.1502 | | CAM::WAY | Riders for the Flag | Thu May 10 1990 19:06 | 9 |
| Dumb question:
What determines home court advantage? Is it their record?
So then (not having seen the final standing) Chicago's record
was better than PHilly?
Deen to wonk(tm),
'Saw
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| 8.1504 | You Got it Right | CSCOA5::SIMMONS_M | | Thu May 10 1990 19:09 | 4 |
| Yes to both questions
Mr Mike
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| 8.1505 | I'm honestly curious... | MORO::WHITEHEAD_LI | | Thu May 10 1990 21:56 | 11 |
| OK, I gotta get into this.
Tell me Mr. Weddle, the Suns played great Tuesday, the Lakers were
crappay and lost by TWO; what does it mean doyouknowdoyouknowdoyouknow?
Note: the 1990 Lakers poster is here, featuring the Simpsons; it's a
bit trendy for me, I prefer the classic approach. None of the guys are
even sweaty.
Liz
|
| 8.1506 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | I work so fast I'm always finished | Fri May 11 1990 10:40 | 15 |
|
> Note: the 1990 Lakers poster is here, featuring the Simpsons; it's a
> bit trendy for me, I prefer the classic approach. None of the guys are
> even sweaty.
"Hi, I'm Smiley Simpson..who the hell are you?"
The reason they're not sweating is because the picture was done
early in the morning before the team had their first dose of crack.
Liz, tell Jack Nicholson I said "Hi", fer cryin' out loud.
Dickster
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| 8.1507 | | CAM::WAY | We few, we happy few, we band of brothers | Fri May 11 1990 10:53 | 13 |
| 8.1508 | | SASE::SZABO | Just say YES to freakin' lunaticism! | Fri May 11 1990 11:01 | 15 |
| 8.1509 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | I work so fast I'm always finished | Fri May 11 1990 11:12 | 8 |
|
Seriously, I admit the cheerleaders are mighty nice to look at,
but I think they detract from the professional nature of the sport.
It's like having the Solid Gold Dancers on the evening news.
Dickster
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| 8.1510 | The "REAL" Lakers showed up last night! | CSC32::A_PARRACO | Moving to Montana soon .... | Fri May 11 1990 11:13 | 13 |
|
OK Laker Bashers ......
Anyone care to comment on the fact that both Phoenix and the Lakers
came out and showed their "true" colors in the Forum last evening ?
Los Angeles 124, Phoenix 100
Lakers had a 15 point lead at the half, it was never even close.
Anyone have Worthy's stats to post ?
- The Doctor
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| 8.1511 | They're coming out of the woodwork early this year...... | SASE::SZABO | Just say YES to freakin' lunaticism! | Fri May 11 1990 11:23 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1512 | | COMET::MONTGOMERY | Buzz Blows Bid for Ohio | Fri May 11 1990 12:43 | 6 |
| > -< They're coming out of the woodwork early this year...... >-
quick call the Orkin man!!!!
|
| 8.1513 | | CAM::WAY | We few, we happy few, we band of brothers | Fri May 11 1990 12:47 | 15 |
| Slight change of subject, but appropriate topic is here, I think...
(Mods feel free to move this, make new topic, whatever)
Anyone read Telander's article on the killings over athletic shoes
in SI? (I put this here because of the prominent roles played, however
unintentionally, but the NBA stars who shil them)....
What do you think?
Comments?
'saw
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| 8.1514 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Fri May 11 1990 13:03 | 14 |
| I read the article last night, 'Saw. Some of the stories about
best friends murdering each other over sports clothing is unbelievable.
Innocent people getting killed because they were accidentally wearing
an article of clothing that related them to a specific gang? I
would never have believed the situation was a bad as it was if it
wasn't for the pages and pages of death related stories involving
youths and sports shoes/jackets, etc...
The piece with Michael Jordan was especially touching. His
intentions for being a promo for Nike have become twisted in the
eyes of todays youth. It is truly sad to see him caught in the
middle of this mess.
sean
|
| 8.1515 | | DOCTP::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Fri May 11 1990 13:16 | 4 |
| Worthy had 27 points last night on 12 for 21 shooting. He had 23 of
those points in the first half. Tom Chambers had 9 points on 4 of
11 shooting.
|
| 8.1516 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | goodfood,gooddrink,broads,Bruins | Fri May 11 1990 13:29 | 35 |
| The Sonics have cheerleaders. They are useless - right 'Saw? No
one pays attention to them at all.
Lakers kicked butt last night.
re: The article.
It is all too true. The quotes by the Nike folks cracked me up
("Our shoes are for athletic wear!") Yeah, right, then why the
trendy fashions every few months? I worked part time in an athletic
shoe stor for years (on and off), the last time being the beginning
of last year - believe me, 90% of sales were for obvious non-athletic
(read: Fashion) use. I couldn't believe how kids in high school
would come in with a wad of money, but the newest trendy $100+ shoe,
the newest trendy sweats, and walk out.
Also, the store I worked in ended up getting rid of a lot of different
clothes/shoes due to 'undesirable elements' (gangs, dealers), etc.
The worst was the Addidas TROOP clothes. Only folks who wore 'em
were gang members and dealers. The head store would 'force' what
the 'franchise' could sell. One case in point were Georgio Berinin
sneakers (I use the term loosely) which were non-functional for
any athletic use, but came in wild colors and patters such as
lizardskin and leopard skin. Sold for 100+. Only folks who bought
'em paid with wads of cash, wore lots and lots of gold chains, and
'colors'.
The store also stopped selling Raider shirts, Ok. Sooner shirts
and hats, Redskin caps, Cowboy caps and shirts, due to attracting
gangs.
Almost all of the basketball, tennis, and aerobic shoes sold were
for obvious fashion use.
JD
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| 8.1517 | Bernie out as Sonics coach? | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Fri May 11 1990 14:07 | 12 |
| The Sonics cheerleaders are worse than useless, JD. They look like
they're smuggling large sponges in their pants. They also have the
dancing ability of Manute Bol and Mark Eaton.
Didja hear the new rumor? A "source" says that Bernie Bickerstaff
is moving to the Sonics front office for health reasons and KC will
take over as head coach. It sounds like unsubtantiated rumor at
this point. We'll see. (I heard it on KIRO radio on the way to work.)
Pete
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| 8.1518 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Fri May 11 1990 14:57 | 5 |
| San Antonio pounded Portland into the pavement last night, 121-98.
It was a run and gun extravaganzza for Robinson and co. at the
Hemisphere Arena. Porltand leads the series 2-1.
sean
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| 8.1519 | | PNO::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Fri May 11 1990 15:15 | 9 |
| > <<< Note 8.1505 by MORO::WHITEHEAD_LI >>>
> -< I'm honestly curious... >-
> Tell me Mr. Weddle, the Suns played great Tuesday, the Lakers were
> crappay and lost by TWO; what does it mean doyouknowdoyouknowdoyouknow?
If you followed Phoenix, you'd know that the Suns WERE NOT hitting on
all cylinders Tuesday night. They can play much better than that.
Mike
|
| 8.1520 | Raise your hand if your Sure | UPWARD::WEDDLE | | Fri May 11 1990 15:18 | 6 |
| Congratulations Liz. The Flakers won a game. Worthy was unstoppable while
Chambers was unstartable. I still like the Suns chances because Smiley
hasn't been able to get off with Marjele guarding him. If Chambers learns
to contribute when his shot isn't hitting and everyone hits their OPEN shots,
it's gonna get hot in the desert this weekend. Hope Smiley brought his
Arrid Extra Dry.
|
| 8.1521 | Why does Cooper get so much PT? | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Fri May 11 1990 15:22 | 7 |
| One thing I don't understand about the Lakers: Why does Cooper continue
to get so much PT? I know he was once a great defenseive player and
3-point shooter,but now his skills seem greatly eroded.
Why not give Drew his minutes? Cooper seems totally ineffective filling
in for Magic at the point. Then again,I do not get to see every laker
game. This is what I have observed.
|
| 8.1522 | You've seen them play better, but... | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Fri May 11 1990 15:28 | 6 |
| >If you followed Phoenix, you'd know that the Suns WERE NOT hitting on
>all cylinders Tuesday night. They can play much better than that.
Not against the Lakers.
Dan
|
| 8.1523 | | PNO::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Fri May 11 1990 15:31 | 11 |
| > <<< Note 8.1522 by WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER "I will not instigate revolution." >>>
> -< You've seen them play better, but... >-
> Not against the Lakers.
Dan, you're entitled to your opinion, even if it is WRONG! The Lakers
are only human and Phoenix has played great games against them and
anyone else.
The regular season OT win in Phoenix is a prime example.
Mike
|
| 8.1524 | oops. wrong topic. 8^) | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Fri May 11 1990 15:34 | 2 |
| 8.1525 | | CAM::WAY | We few, we happy few, we band of brothers | Fri May 11 1990 15:34 | 28 |
| re Sonics Cheerleaders:
Useless as teats on a bull. Ugly too. Myself, I preferred
looking at the wimmins in the stands, especially the
ones that JD was strategically splattering with iced tea....
re the Article:
Even Telander admits to having some non-proper-function shoes
in his closet.
Personally, I wear white sneakers a lot. Usually Converse, just
because they go well with jeans. When they get dirty, if I
cain't wash them, I'll use them when I ride my motorcycle
(then they get REALLY grungy).
Other than that I'll wear my old running shoes, since there's
tons of wear left in them, but not enough absorption for running.
I don't by sneaks for fashion, and I'd never spend 75+, or 100+
for sneaks..
Amazing facts in that story though. it really enlightened me...
I also like the way Telander writes...he has a nice easy style
I think...
'Saw
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| 8.1526 | | PNO::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Fri May 11 1990 15:40 | 12 |
| I believe the Lakers are the only successful team to have cheerleaders.
I would guess they lowered themselves to this because of the
entertainment area they represent.
The Celtics, the most successful team of them all, does not require
distractions to quality basketball like some other teams do.
Admittedly, the Celtics could've used a couple cheerleaders this year.
;-)
The teams that win, don't need distractions to attract fans!
Mike
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| 8.1528 | didn't want to see the Hornets? | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri May 11 1990 15:44 | 4 |
| Here's one for the LA bashers: The Forum did not sell out this year. Even
with Cheerleaders, the best record in the league and all that hype.
TTom
|
| 8.1529 | 100% defense | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Fri May 11 1990 15:55 | 15 |
| >One thing I don't understand about the Lakers: Why does Cooper continue
>to get so much PT? I know he was once a great defenseive player and
>3-point shooter,but now his skills seem greatly eroded.
I know he's not hitting the 3, and makes little contribution
offensively beyond bringing the ball up and knowing how to pass around
the perimeter (a skill often overlooked by many teams). But Coop is in
there primarily for his defense, and he is still a superior defensive
player.
The Lakers are successful as much for their pressure defense as for
their explosive offensive, and Coop makes a big contribution to that
aspect of their game.
Dan
|
| 8.1530 | Call me when you make a good point | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Fri May 11 1990 15:59 | 17 |
| >Dan, you're entitled to your opinion, even if it is WRONG!
I don't think you are capable of judging my opinions fairly.
>The regular season OT win in Phoenix is a prime example.
Of what? The Suns won by the skin of their teeth, what's more on a
bogus foul call on Magic. If that's the Suns at their zenith, the rest
of this series will be a joke. You are constantly poor-mouthing the
Suns against the Lakers. If you take the time and effort to be a
little more objective, then you'll notice that the Lakers seem to coax
a lot of poor performances out of a lot of teams.
It might just be coincidence, or it might be something about the
Lakers. See if you can tell the difference.
Dan
|
| 8.1531 | why do I bother? | PNO::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Fri May 11 1990 16:55 | 13 |
| > I don't think you are capable of judging my opinions fairly.
At least the feeling is mutual.
> of this series will be a joke. You are constantly poor-mouthing the
> Suns against the Lakers. If you take the time and effort to be a
> little more objective, then you'll notice that the Lakers seem to coax
Now that's the pot calling the kettle black. You consistently berate
every NBA team outside of Lakerdom(tm)! If you take off the glasses,
you'll see there are others that occasionally earn credit.
Mike
|
| 8.1532 | | COMET::MONTGOMERY | Buzz Blows Bid for Ohio | Fri May 11 1990 17:40 | 12 |
|
>> The teams that win, don't need distractions to attract fans!
>> Sorta like the Donks and Raiders, huh?
Double huh????
|
| 8.1534 | Something like the Gorilla | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | The grass is greener, but you still have to mow it! | Fri May 11 1990 18:32 | 7 |
| I ws sort of thinking of the Gorilla in Phoenix. Any relation
to this discussion Mike? While we're at it, whaddya think about
the games in Phoenix this weekend? A split or what? You still
think the Lakers will win the series?
Gorilla fans want to know,
Bret
|
| 8.1535 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | If I were you,I'd take precautions... | Fri May 11 1990 20:02 | 7 |
| Bret, the Gorilla was an attempt to beautify the Suns head cheerleader.
re .1531
Mikey, **occasionally** is the perfect word !
Lakers in 6 .... tops !
|
| 8.1536 | | PNO::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Fri May 11 1990 20:47 | 3 |
| > Bret, the Gorilla was an attempt to beautify the Suns head cheerleader.
Doc, is that why you left town?
|
| 8.1537 | The tuneup is much more than Dan expected.... | CNTROL::CHILDS | the jukebox playing real loud 96 tears | Mon May 14 1990 10:37 | 23 |
|
well Doc, if the Lakers are going to do it, it's going to take 7.. ;^)
For our fans over the pond the Suns took both weekend games at home to
go up 3-1 on the Lakers. Saturday was 117-103 and I think yesterday was
111-101. As president of the ABTL I'm very pleased but with Magic still
at the helm I won't get truley excited till I see the Suns with a 10
point lead with under a minute left in the next game or the one after
that or the one after that. Of course if someone could quarantee me
that Jimmy Clang will indeed clang away for another game then I could
get excited....
Magic was a one man team yesterday. Although I didn't see the game
except when CBS was kind enough to cut away from the Pistons' blowout
early in the third he already had 37 points plus his assists and
boards....
please Jimmy one more bad one for me....
;^)
mike
|
| 8.1538 | In memory of Spike and Blind Eddie | SHALOT::MEDVID | Words are very unnecessary... | Mon May 14 1990 10:58 | 27 |
| RE: Cheerleaders
During Charlotte's inaug...inawgura...inaugura...um...first season,
there were these two guys that showed up calling themselves Spike and
Blind Eddie. They'd go get coifed at this local salon right before the
game (Spike with spiked hair of course), and go crazy around their
section of the Charlotte Colesium. The fans used to go nuts about
them.
Spike and Blind Eddie were very clever, non-professional entertainers.
Spike would play saxaphone before the game even though he couldn't
really play it so you can imagine what it sounded like.
Well, one day they just showed up as normal guys and after a few days
there was this article in the paper and an apology letter from them
in the Letters to the Editor. Seems the "Hornet Organization" (a.k.a.
George Shinn) asked them to stop their antics as it was not
contributing to the "family atmosphere" of the games.
So instead, we've got this giant, muppet insect running around, trying
to start waves, and basically not doing half the job that Spike and
Blind Eddie did during their ten-game reign.
NBA Action...It's FANtastic (unless George Shinn says it's against his
religion).
--dan'l
|
| 8.1539 | Woe is Us ! | CSC32::A_PARRACO | Moving to Montana soon .... | Mon May 14 1990 11:45 | 14 |
|
I have lived and died with the Lakers for 25 years now (more living
than dying, fortunately !), but I have have truly DIED, and gone to
the furnace HELL, aka The Phoenix Memorial Coliseum.
When Worthy and Scott total 14 points, and Mychal Thompson (stop
puffin' that GAN-JAH weed, mon !) gets his usual 2 - it looks GRIM !
I can finally say with some certainty - Thompson SUCKS !
And to overstate the blatantly obvious, it's OVER unless we can take
Game 5 in the Forum (can it be any worse ?) !
- The Doctor (Die Suns, you gravy-sucking pigs) .....
|
| 8.1540 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Mon May 14 1990 12:45 | 11 |
| The way things stand as of today:
East:
#1 Detroit over #5 NY (3-1) next game at Detroit
#2 Chicago over #3 Philly (3-1) next game at Chicago
West:
#5 Phoenix over #1 LA (3-1) next game at LA
#2 Portland tied with #3 San Antonio (2-2) next game at Portland
sean
|
| 8.1541 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | AFool&HisMoneyAreSoonPartying!! | Mon May 14 1990 13:00 | 8 |
| Andy you low-down heritic. The SunStrokes need to win another game and I
got a feeling dat day ain't gonna do it. NEVER say DIE!!! NEVER
HEDGE!!! Either 100% or nothing.
We shall overcome!!!
the devil dog
|
| 8.1542 | adios' cinco de puds | UPWARD::WEDDLE | | Mon May 14 1990 13:15 | 8 |
| pahhleeze...say goodnight smiley...say bye bye jimmy clang...say so long byron
"my leg hurts. yeah, that's the ticket. it affects my shot, yeah" scott...
back to your yugo vlade...
seems the 'TRUE' colors came through this weekend.
so long fakers...
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| 8.1543 | Looks a lot like the '86 Houston series | DOCTP::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Mon May 14 1990 13:39 | 17 |
| Re. .1537 --
Mike, you're right about Magic being a one-man team yesterday, but
that's where the problem is. He's not supposed to do that. The Lakers
game is one that emphasizes a lot of passing to find the open man.
They've spent the past two games standing around watching Magic hold
onto the ball. You want to know what went wrong in yesterday's game?
Check out the total number of assists for the Lakers. 16.
Only bright spot for L.A. in this series has been the play of A.C.
Green who has indeed performed like an All-Star.
The Suns have played great ball in the past two games, but something
is wrong within the Lakers right now. They don't even remotely resemble
the team that won 63 games during the season.
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.1544 | 3 in a row, Lakers | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Mon May 14 1990 14:30 | 16 |
| I missed Saturday's game, and only saw a few minutes of Sunday's.
Anyone know what's wrong with AC's leg? He was limping badly.
One can't help but be pessimistic. Phoenix' aggressive defense has
worn down the Lakers options. I'd like them to take the ball hard to
the hole and force the refs to make the call, but that's not the kind
of guys the Lakers have (except for Magic, who can do anything).
Phoenix is playing the body, and the Lakers haven't responded in kind.
I did notice in the papers that Phoenix shot 60% on Saturday. Don't
know what's to blame though. I think they should play the trap, but
they don't want to do it with KJ on the floor. He still takes his wild
plunges toward the basket, without an idea in his head, but if they're
falling, there's not much to be done.
Dan
|
| 8.1545 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Mon May 14 1990 14:37 | 10 |
| > they don't want to do it with KJ on the floor. He still takes his wild
> plunges toward the basket, without an idea in his head, but if they're
> falling, there's not much to be done.
Dan, they fell more often than not this weekend and throughout the last
2 regular seasons. Pretty good for a guy "without an idea".
Suns have now won 3 of the last 4 World Series!
Mike
|
| 8.1546 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | AFool&HisMoneyAreSoonPartying!! | Mon May 14 1990 15:11 | 3 |
| Dan A.C. wasn't to Blam. He was pulling boards all weekend, but when
Worthy and Scott are playing like feces than the whole LAker game gets
outta sync. Don't worry. We'll get 'em in 7.
|
| 8.1547 | Could the Lakers be suffering "tired leg syndrome"? | BUILD::MORGAN | | Mon May 14 1990 15:17 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1548 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Mon May 14 1990 15:17 | 16 |
| AC and Magic are they only ones that really contributed over the
weekend. I ALMOST felt sorry for Magic in yesterday's post game
interviews. He looked really defeated and depressed after going all
out and still losing. I believe his 43 yesterday was a career playoff
high. Who would've thought he could hit 43 and LA still lose?
In Game 3 on Saturday, Hornacek managed to keep Magic busy on the
defensive end by hitting a playoff career high of 29.
To quote Len Elmore? of CBS, "Magic isn't going to get out of this
series without playing defense!"
I believe AC was in double figures with points and boards in both games
3 and 4!
Mike
|
| 8.1549 | what a drag it is getting old | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Mon May 14 1990 15:22 | 11 |
| > <<< Note 8.1547 by BUILD::MORGAN >>>
> -< Could the Lakers be suffering "tired leg syndrome"? >-
Could be! The young Suns really ran right at them this weekend. A
parallel could be drawn from the Suns-LA series to the Boston-Detroit
series of '88.
There aren't too many teams that can consistently run on LA like
Phoenix did this weekend.
Mike
|
| 8.1550 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | If I were you,I'd take precautions... | Mon May 14 1990 18:22 | 10 |
| I think that playing back to back games really helped the Suns this
weekend. I can't believe that the Lakers would have lost to the
Suns two in a row otherwise ...
Nevertheless, I expect to see Game 6 decide the series. If the Suns
can beat the Lakers in Game 5, then they deserve to go to the Finals.
BTW, I really would like to see Orlando take the ball strong to
the Phoneix D from here on out - Scott is settling for the J too
much ...
|
| 8.1551 | suns still 1 big one away | CNTROL::CHILDS | the jukebox playing loud 96 tears | Mon May 14 1990 18:29 | 4 |
|
Doc, great/good teams don't need excuse like back to back games ;^)
mike
|
| 8.1552 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Mon May 14 1990 18:31 | 6 |
| I know LA has been in back to back playoff games before without it
affecting them! I just can't remember which series right now.
Is this another excuse for age and "tired legs"?
Mike
|
| 8.1553 | Scott the culprit | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Mon May 14 1990 18:45 | 5 |
| While there may or may not be any excuses for the Lakers losing, Byron
Scott has to receive a lot of the credit. Kelly Tripucka woulda done
better yesterday.
TTom
|
| 8.1554 | | PNO::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Mon May 14 1990 20:08 | 7 |
| Re: Byron Scott
I know he only had 4 points, but how many attempts did he have? I
don't remember him shooting that much. He was too busy chasing KJ all
over the court.
Mike
|
| 8.1555 | Where is the Celtics notes????? | TOLKIN::ELLIOTT | | Tue May 15 1990 02:38 | 15 |
|
Can anyone tell me where the Celtics notes have been???? I haven't
been able to get into it for days.... It says remote not reachable...
What's going on with it????? Can anyone help me out???? Thanx in
advance.....
********** Deadhead Lefty **********
|
| 8.1556 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Tue May 15 1990 10:52 | 5 |
| try CHCAGO::BOSTON_CELTICS and I was able to get into it this morning.
Not much activity going on, though.
John
|
| 8.1557 | Scott bombs, Riley COY | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Tue May 15 1990 11:00 | 7 |
| Scott was a whopping 2 for 8, in 32 minutes. Good choice of words, Mike,
about 'chasing' KJ. He certainly had little impact on his efforts.
Meanwhile, Pat Riley won Coach of the Year. He'll get a chance to earn it
tonight.
TTom
|
| 8.1558 | KC named Seattle coach | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Tue May 15 1990 12:42 | 5 |
| It's official. KC Jones has been named head coach of Seattle. Bernie
is moving upstairs. There will be a press conference today.
Pete
|
| 8.1559 | Fakers: team of the 80's... Too bad its the 90's :-) | AKOV06::DCARR | They dumped JR. What do I ask for next? | Tue May 15 1990 15:15 | 11 |
| The Bos. Rag today reports that Jimmy Rodgers may end up as KC's
assistant again..
I came in here to see if anybody else saw the Fakers as the "tired old"
team playing against the "young, quick" Suns this weekend... To me,
the parallels between this series and the C's of two years ago are
amazing....
Fakers starting the long, slow, descent - what a shame!
ML
|
| 8.1560 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Tue May 15 1990 15:30 | 9 |
| If Detroit's average age is well above LA's... why aren't they
"tired and old"?
I don't find the parallels between LA and the C's valid at all.
The Western Conference has slowly been emerging as the dominant
conference for the past couple of years. LA simply has more
competition these days.
sean
|
| 8.1561 | not bad for the young guns | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Tue May 15 1990 15:50 | 3 |
| I heard last night that Phoenix's average age is around 25.
Mike
|
| 8.1562 | Descent ? Ha .... that'll take a while (I hope !) | LUNER::BROOKS | If I were you,I'd take precautions... | Tue May 15 1990 16:13 | 10 |
| The Lakers aren't that old. Magic is at least 2 years younger than
Bird (so that would make him 31 ?), Worthy and Scott 29, A.C. is
26 or so. Divac is 25, and Orlando is about 30 ?
The anicents are Coop, Thompson, and Drew, which oes bother me.
You'd like to have a young bench that you can have age gracefully
into mature, productive starters.
I just hope the Lakers aren't gettign the East Coast version of
Walton, Paxton, ML Carr, et al ... ugh.
|
| 8.1563 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | AFool&HisMoneyAreSoonPartying!! | Tue May 15 1990 16:18 | 9 |
| Yikes!
Just kidding!
The Lakers will continue to dominate.
|
| 8.1564 | Turn out da li-i-g-hts, da party's ovah :-) | AKOV06::DCARR | They dumped JR. What do I ask for next? | Tue May 15 1990 16:39 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1565 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | Give me hope Johanna | Tue May 15 1990 16:51 | 20 |
|
One of the LA writers for the National was on the radio here yesterday.
A few of the things he had to say were:
- He expect LA to go with the small lineup much of the game. This
would move Cooper into a starting role and bench Thompson. [with
what Coop has shown so far, that doesn't make sense]
- Before Sunday's game, Riley had the team out practicing behind
the hotel. Apparently things were going very badly, and Riley was
yelling and telling specific players, that they couldn't play.
It's not like Riley to name names like that.
- He then went through a litany of injuries that the players had.
He mentioned 8-9 players who were all injured. Some were very minor
(Green and Divac are suffering from 'contusions') and it seemed
more like excuse making then anything else.
Bruce
|
| 8.1566 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue May 15 1990 17:20 | 3 |
|
The parallel that I see with LA and Boston is the star player getting
the head coach fired.
|
| 8.1567 | don't see it | CNTROL::CHILDS | the jukebox playing loud 96 tears | Tue May 15 1990 17:24 | 14 |
|
> The parallel that I see with LA and Boston is the star player getting
> the head coach fired.
Hoot, Whom did Reggie Lewis get fired? ;^)
and if you're refering to this year Bird took the loss upon himself saying
he played like shit in the fourth quarter of the fifth game....
perhaps you're ~/~????
mike
|
| 8.1568 | What insight! | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Tue May 15 1990 18:04 | 9 |
| Quote in the paper-
Doug Collins on the secret to Detroit's success: "Anytime Detroit
scores more than 100 points and holds the other team below 100 points,
they almost always win."
Pete
|
| 8.1569 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue May 15 1990 18:34 | 8 |
|
Caught me Red handed, Mike. Ha ha ha! Actually, I haven't seen any of
the 2nd round games. Been busy visiting the folks, old friends and
fishing. Oh yeah, I also got to go to the practice round of the
Memorial Open. I was impressed!
HOOT
|
| 8.1571 | keys tonight | UPWARD::WEDDLE | | Tue May 15 1990 18:43 | 9 |
| Keys to Suns winning tonight: RUN! RUN! RUN! Tire them out and get to the
Lakers weak bench.
Keys to Lakers winning tonight: Get up early and hang on. Jamz has got to
show up. Smiley has proven he can't do it alone. I think it would be a
mistake to go with a different (smaller) lineup. Coop can't stay with KJ.
BTW, who else plays tonight?
|
| 8.1572 | the complete scoop | CNTROL::CHILDS | the jukebox playing loud 96 tears | Tue May 15 1990 18:47 | 8 |
|
BTW, who else plays tonight?
Ny at Detriot (tm) 8:00 TNT Pistons -9
SA at Portland... Blazers -5
Suns at LA 10:30 TNT Lakers -9
mike
|
| 8.1573 | Ain't tired, just playing poorly | DOCTP::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Tue May 15 1990 19:33 | 39 |
| Doc, I believe the correct current ages of the Laker players you
mentioned are as follows:
Magic: 30
Worthy: 29
Scott: 29
Green: 27
Divac: 22
Woolridge: 29
Thompson: 34
Coop: 32
Drew: 31
If Divac is ready to fill the starting center role next season, that
is hardly a starting five that's too old to win. Woolridge is still
one of the most athletic players in the league, so he should be a
solid player coming off the bench for the next 2-3 years. I think
Coop can still play excellent defense (he's shown it this year) but
his shooting is pretty much gone. If Thompson's play over the past
month is truly an indicator of what he can and can't do, then he's
just about done. I suppose it's possible that his poor play can be
attributed to the hyperextended knee injury he suffered a month back,
but I suspect not.
Incidentally, I haven't really seen evidence of the "tired old legs"
of the Lakers in this series. The reason the Lakers lost the last
two games is not because they were giving up a lot of fast break layups.
In fact, I've seen a good number of times when Worthy has beaten Tom
Chambers down the court for a quick layup following a Suns hoop. No,
where the Suns have been killing the Lakers is with K.J. beating
Scott off the dribble and driving to the hoop. In an isolation situ-
ation, which is what the Suns run every time down the floor, I don't
know of a guard in the league that can consistently stay with K.J.
The truth be told, the other key to the Suns has been the inspired
play of Kurt Rambis, at 30-something hardly a young pup in his own
right.
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.1574 | Good Stuff | UPWARD::WEDDLE | | Tue May 15 1990 19:54 | 8 |
| re: .1573
Laker_Ken,
You could give Len Elmore a run for his money with your analysis. With
Brent Muskratburger gone you should call CBS!
Jim
|
| 8.1575 | | REFINE::ASHE | Homer,Marge,Bart,Lisa,Maggie,OJ | Tue May 15 1990 22:26 | 3 |
| Pistons are considered tired and old because they play half-court
most of the time and not fast break "Laker ball". Their fast
break team is the 2nd team.... (Salley, Rodman, et. all...)
|
| 8.1576 | Winners as picked by BASKETBALL DIGEST. | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Wed May 16 1990 00:56 | 23 |
| Here is some the ALL-NBA teams ect ect as named by BASKETBALL DIGEST.
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR PLAYER OF THE YEAR COACH OF THE YEAR
DAVID ROBINSON PATRICK EWING PAT RILEY
1990 ALL NBA TEAM 1990 ALL NBA SECOND TEAM
CHARLES BARKLEY TOM CHAMBERS
MAGIC JOHNSON KEVIN JOHNSON
KARL MALONE DOMINIQUE WILKENS
PATRICK EWING DAVID ROBINSON
MICHAEL JORDON JOHN STOCKTON
BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER BEST SIXTH MAN COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR
DENNIS RODMAN RICKY PIERCE SAM BOWIE
MOST IMPROVED ALL ROOKIE TEAM 1990
REGGIE MILLER GLEN RICE BLUE EDWARDS TIM HARDAWAY
DAVID ROBINSON SARUNAS MARCIULIONIS
Any thoughts on these picks??????
|
| 8.1577 | Top lottery picks chosen by BASKETBALL DIGEST. | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Wed May 16 1990 01:10 | 20 |
| Here is the top picks rated by talent in the draft. I added in
the underclassmen myself. I dont agree with the order of picks
but all were done by the BASKETBALL DIGEST.
1) Derrick Coleman F Syracuse
2) Chris Jackson G LSU (added by me)
3) Gary Payton G OSU
4) Dwayne Schintzius C FU (this is basketball digest)
5) Kendall Gill G Iu
6) Rumeal Robinson G MU
7) Dennis Scott G GT (added by me)
8) Toni Kukoc F Jugoplastika (??????)
9) Lionel Simmons G LaSalle
10) Alec Kessler F GU
11) Gerald Glass F MU
12) Felton Spencer C LU
IMO Bo Kimble, Tyrone Hill, Willie Burton, Loy Vaught, and Travis
Mays....are ALL lottery picks.
|
| 8.1578 | Back in the Green?????? | TOLKIN::ELLIOTT | | Wed May 16 1990 01:56 | 10 |
|
John, Thanx for the info.....
********** Deadhead Lefty **********
|
| 8.1579 | Was that as a guard or forward? | TREND::COHEN | | Wed May 16 1990 02:41 | 5 |
|
Wilkens should also get the most overrated award since THAT'S where he
really belongs. None of the other picks are unreasonable.
Bob
|
| 8.1580 | The end of an era????? | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Wed May 16 1990 02:59 | 8 |
| The Los Angeles Lakers have been eliminated from the 1990 NBA
championship tourney. I dont have a score but this is the
earliest that they have been eliminated since 1981.
lakers 103 suns 106
|
| 8.1581 | Nothing left to do but Smile, Smile Smile... | TOLKIN::ELLIOTT | | Wed May 16 1990 08:07 | 22 |
|
Is this official????? I can't believe the Faker Fans, who
thought my Celtics were the only ones who were human, (therefore
could lose a game) have lost in the second round...... Boo Hoo....
How bad do I feel?????? You'll have to (Try to) slap the grin off
my face today...... I'm the happiest noter you'll run into today....
My Lakers can't lose cause there the Fakers...... Well welcome
to the real world all you Celtic bashers..... You've got it all
comming to you after the way you've treated us Celtic fans for the
last 3 years....... Poor Tragic Johnson is a guy who just can't
lose a play-off game huh?????? I tip my hat to the Suns... Yahoo!!!!
They proved they're better than the Fakers.......
********** Deadhead Lefty **********
|
| 8.1582 | forgive me... | GOOBER::ROSS | Goin' South | Wed May 16 1990 09:03 | 6 |
| Parade in Boston today!
Magic Eats $#!+
There's no joy in Tinseltown today, Mighty Jimmy has clanged out!
|
| 8.1583 | smiling all day | CNTROL::CHILDS | the jukebox playing loud 96 tears | Wed May 16 1990 10:32 | 25 |
|
I don't know Lefty my smile might be as big as yours ;^)
Again the question must be asked what was AC doing on the bench at
crunchtime? I didn't see most of the game as the hockey was just
to good to turn away from but fortunately the blackout at the garden
allowed me the pleasure of watching the last 5 minutes of the death
watch. KJ was as they say "FANtastic", got to believe the CAVS traded
the wrong guard. Price isn't chopped liver but KJ is unbelievable....
Lakers fell into the same mind frame as the Celtics in thinking hey
we've been here before just throw the ball out there and we'll win.
the only guys in the series besides the Suns who came to play every
game were Magic, AC, and Divac the rest were out to lunch.....
I don't know what happened to Clang but I loved it.....
Portland won in double OT 138-132
and Detriot (tm) elimanted the Knicks....
mike
|
| 8.1584 | The Suns deserved it - KJ - the Prince of the Point | EARRTH::BROOKS | Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ... | Wed May 16 1990 11:25 | 27 |
| Congrats to the Suns, they came from 15 down in the first half to
win. When I saw the Suns cut the lead to about 8 at the half, I
had a very bad feeling about the game.
When you beat the Lakers not once, but *twice*, in the Forum, then
that says a lot.
To the Laker bashers :
I understand how hard up you guys are after your humilation at the
hands of the Knicks.
Not only that, but he lasted time the Fungus was in the Finals,
the Berlin Wall was solidly in place, Elvis was alive, ect.
Well, here's another thought that ought to keep you warm at night:
The Lakers will be back in the Finals before the C-minus' do !
So there !
(FWIW, I think that the title has been handed to Detroit on a plate
now. I felt that the Sixers might be a better matchup vs. Detriot
than the Bulls, but Philly can't even suck it up and beat the Bulls
....)
Doc
|
| 8.1585 | Lakers did a nice flop of their own. | TREND::COHEN | | Wed May 16 1990 11:37 | 11 |
| > I understand how hard up you guys are after your humilation at the
> hands of the Knicks.
Not taking anything away from the Suns, but the Lakers did a VERY nice
crash and burn. From best record in the NBA to mediocore against Akeem and
four guys from Podunk to being both physically and MENTALLY outplayed...
That and the Pistons elimination of the Knicks made my day..
Bob .
|
| 8.1586 | who won ? | KAOFS::R_OBAS | | Wed May 16 1990 11:42 | 5 |
|
Portland - San Antonio score please...
ric
|
| 8.1587 | Portland up 3-2 in series | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Wed May 16 1990 11:47 | 3 |
| Portland won in double overtime 138-132. Great game!
sean
|
| 8.1588 | thanks Sean . | KAOFS::R_OBAS | | Wed May 16 1990 12:08 | 5 |
|
Too bad there was no TV coverage..
ric
|
| 8.1589 | did I mention Anderson(?) hit a three? 8^).. oops. | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Wed May 16 1990 12:12 | 15 |
| 8.1590 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | Go get'em, Mike | Wed May 16 1990 12:34 | 3 |
| I thought it was Wingate who hit the 3 pointer.
Bruce
|
| 8.1591 | thanks Bruce. | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Wed May 16 1990 12:36 | 4 |
| Yeah, you're right. Brain cells weren't functioning too well
at 1 in the morning.
sean
|
| 8.1592 | Their true ages show an older, less resilient team | 4159::NAZZARO | We're the Dead Beat Club | Wed May 16 1990 12:39 | 22 |
| Well, Laker_Ken, I don't want to say you misrepresented the ages
of the Lakers nine contributors in a previous note. Let me just
list their ages according to the 1989-90 NBA Register.
Magic - 30 (will be 31 in August)
Worthy - 29
Scott - 29
Green - 27
Thompson - 35 (not 34)
Woolridge - 31 (not 29)
Cooper - 34 (not 32)
Drew - 32 (not 31)
Divac - 22
This is a team whose best players are aging together and whose
subs were acquired for short term support. In three years, this is
a lottery team looking for the next Magic Johnson, and that's all
that will prevent them from becoming the equivalent of the Charlotte
Hornets by 1994.
NAZz
|
| 8.1593 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Goons,Bufoons,Loons,Broons | Wed May 16 1990 13:00 | 29 |
| To Mike Heiser: Congrats to the only Suns fan in this conference.
To Lakers fans: Hey, it happens. Personally, I think they need
to trade Scott and get another 'shooting' forward. He is way to
inconsistant.
To Walt Ashe: Congrats on beating my Knicks. Knicks surprised
me by coming back to beat/humiliate/embarrass the Celtics, but the
Pistons exposed their weaknesses. This is a team that has needed
a real scoring forward for years - that is their biggest need.
re All: Gee, I see 'Celtic' fans are coming out of the woodwork.
Instead of dancing about other teams' losses, you should worry about
your own team - a team that couldn't hold a 2-0 lead against the
Knicks, a team full of aging starters, a team known for recent draft
blundres, a team with NO backcourt.
San Antonio-Portland - good game. Listened to some of it on the
radio while switching back and forth from the hockey game and the
Lakers-Suns.
Keep wondering when the loss of Duckworth will hurt the Blazers.
If they get by San Antonio, they won't face another real center
the rest of the way. Portland should beat Phoenix, which will
endure a post-Laker letdown, and Mark West will remember who he
is and by another extremely mediocre center. Blazers match up
better vs. the Suns.
JD
|
| 8.1594 | and remember it's only a game | CNTROL::CHILDS | the jukebox playing loud 96 tears | Wed May 16 1990 13:10 | 11 |
| Hey Sarge, take a high dive off a low cliff will ya. We C fans can bash
the Lakers all we want. We've been getting pounded recently whilst watching
our #1 enemy still enjoy the good times. Now that they have crashed and
burnt why the hell shouldn't we dish out some lumps. Lord knows we've taken
enough......
Nope not even you and the Doc with your predictable BS can spoil my day...
many smiles
mike
|
| 8.1595 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Goons,Bufoons,Loons,Broons | Wed May 16 1990 13:21 | 12 |
| Mike,
Hey fine, just stating my opinion - as a Knicks fan I'd feel pretty
silly bashing the Lakers - since my team is out of it, and has
more problems then the Lakers do.....
. And with
the Sixers close to the brink, argggh.
I know it's only a game. Geez, someone has to keep you rabid Celts
fans on your toes, or youse guys would get TOTALLY unbearable ;-)
JD
|
| 8.1597 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | the jukebox playing loud 96 tears | Wed May 16 1990 13:26 | 12 |
|
Ok JD, sorry about the comment. But bashing to me is half the fun of this
thing called sports. It doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the efforts
put out. As far as feeling silly because my team is out if, well I take the
exits of my teams in stride and eat my humble pie so in my mind I'm free
to do as I please when talking about the others....
again I apologize for getting slightly out of line but figure we know one
another so you'd know how to take it......
mike
|
| 8.1599 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Goons,Bufoons,Loons,Broons | Wed May 16 1990 13:32 | 18 |
| Mike,
Don't worry abot it - I'm taking my frustrations over the Knicks
getting whipped in 5 and the Sixers down 3-1 out on the Cletics
crowd. I gotta do it....I'm just urinated cuz I thought the Knicks
could at least go 6 or 7 games....
Laker fans - yo dudes better hope they duump Byron Scott and get
another big man, or you arein deep doo-doo. Dale Ellis would fit
in great with the Lakers - but the price would be steep.
Worthy really sipped this series. By far his worst series. Cooper
is finished.
Get the golf bags ready, two more teams a-heading for the Links!
Jd
|
| 8.1600 | | 15436::LEFEBVRE | Four more to go! | Wed May 16 1990 13:42 | 14 |
| < Note 8.1595 by RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO "Goons,Bufoons,Loons,Broons" >
> Mike,
>
> Hey fine, just stating my opinion - as a Knicks fan I'd feel pretty
> silly bashing the Lakers - since my team is out of it, and has
Sort of like bashing the Bruins cuz the your Rangers are out of
it as well, huh JD?
Double standard?
Mark.
|
| 8.1601 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | Go get'em, Mike | Wed May 16 1990 13:53 | 9 |
| re -1
Mark, hockey has nothing to do with basketball.
Can I be considered a Suns fan? I used to live in Phoenix, and
if it's good enough for Doc... 8^) Now ;you guys can all congratulate
me. Don't forget that Weddle guy either.
Bruce
|
| 8.1602 | Valley of the Suns | PNO::WEDDLE | | Wed May 16 1990 13:57 | 18 |
| I guess I'm not a Suns fan according to JD...of course, Heiser is THE
original BUT the Suns are definitely my favorite.
Whatever, they completely outplayed the Lakers. They proved they
have the heart to go with their ability. It was amazing to see
the Suns keep their composure even when the Lakers were on a
roll at home AND the game was being officiated by Blind (Crawford), Crippled
(Nies) and Crazy (Oakes). I couldn't believe the pounding KJ was taking
without a foul being called. Yet, when someone even breathed on Smiley
they called a foul. It was as if the refs were acting like slime-boxing
judges, "You've got to knock out the champion". It would have been tragic if
the Lakers held on in such a one-sided refereeing exhibition.
Congratulations to any Suns fans in any shape or form (anti-Lakers fans
accepted here). Don't think the Suns have stopped here. See you in the
finals.
Jim
|
| 8.1603 | Guess some got class and some don't.... | CAM::WAY | Go ask Alice, when she's ten feet tall | Wed May 16 1990 14:13 | 12 |
| The funniest thing is that when the Celts lost, their fans we're
pretty quiet, I think. For the most part they took it with dignity,
sucked up and admitted that there's a lot of improvement needed on the
team. No one complained about the inevitable bashing from the Laker Fans/
Anti-Celtic fans.
Now, when the Lakers do the big gag on the chicken bone routine, all
their fans are bashing the Celts for saying "ha ha".
It don't make no sense....
'Saw
|
| 8.1604 | Puns rise from the flames | MORO::WHITEHEAD_LI | | Wed May 16 1990 14:30 | 16 |
| Yeah, even I have to admit the Suns showed a lot of maturity and
character. In the past 3 or 4 years, at least half the Lakers strength
was their ability to play head games. The Suns confidence, particularly
in game 3, was scary. If they don't get over confident ( little chance
of that with Cotton ) they look like they've got a good chance to take the
West. At this point, it's looking like whoever comes out of the Portland
SA series is gonna be the worse for wear.
On a purely emotional note, I think that the worst thing to come out of
the Lakers demise is going to be the stupid "Suns rising in the West"
type phrases CBS announcers will bombard us with...
My remaining dream ? To see Chicago blow by the Pistons. So far, I like
the physical stuff they're throwing at Philly. Besides the fact that I
hate Detroit, I need more time to study Scotty Pippin's nose.
|
| 8.1605 | Hey Mike, how's the view in the basement ? | EARRTH::BROOKS | Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ... | Wed May 16 1990 14:45 | 8 |
| Mike, you was predicting that I'd take a 'vacation' after the Lakers
loss.
Then I'm in here ... and it's 'predictable' B.S.
Yeah, riiiight ..... :-)
Carnac you're not ....
|
| 8.1606 | NFP | CNTROL::CHILDS | the jukebox playing loud 96 tears | Wed May 16 1990 14:56 | 12 |
|
Well Doc, I'm not really surprised that you didn't take a powder cause
you've always had to fight off alot of BS from all comers. The predictable
"BS" I was refering to was that instead of excepting defeat gracefully,
you'd bash the Celtics which you did...
;^)
and hey atleast I didn't give you any grief about who your next team would
be....
mike
|
| 8.1607 | CONGRATS SUNS!!!
| TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Wed May 16 1990 14:57 | 22 |
|
I'm another C's fan who refuses to bash the Lakers while they are down.
They've been a great team for a long time and I've always admired them. And
while it's sad to see another sign the Laker/Celtic era is over, it's also
kind of exciting to look forward to different NBA teams battling in the Finals.
I have to say that I can't see much reason for Laker fans to be
optimistic about the current cast of Lakers. Magic & Divac seem to be the
only bright spots for the immediate future. Byron Scott just hasn't been the
same all year. AC Green show flashes of good stuff, but disappears for weeks
at a time. Thompson, Cooper, Wooldrige and Drew are too old and limited in
what they can contribute.
Which brings me to Worthy. I beleive this series has been a glimpse of
Worthy's NBA future! Unless the Lakers can come up with another legimate scoring
threat (other than Magic), teams are going to blanket Worthy and let Magic
try to carry the load. Without the threat of a consistent Scott from the
outside, the Suns handled Worthy easily. So easy it was scarey!!!!!!
JimH
|
| 8.1608 | | DOCTP::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Wed May 16 1990 15:01 | 15 |
| Re. .1602 --
Jim, you've got to be joking about the reffing last night, right?
K.J. most certainly did not get pounded. The few times that the
Lakers did manage to get to him on the drive, they picked up a
foul. You want to talk about a player getting pounded? Check out
what the Houston guards were doing to Magic in that series. And
no calls were forthcoming.
How about those calls on Divac? The refs treated him as if he
were wearing Greg Kite's jersey. I guess that's par for the course
when it comes to rookies and refs. Suns fans really don't have any
reason to complain about how the calls went last night.
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.1609 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | the jukebox playing loud 96 tears | Wed May 16 1990 15:12 | 13 |
|
Yeah the calls pretty well balanced out. I almost drop dead when they
called Mychal Thompson for pushing Rambis away from the defensive posistion
giving Magic a clear drive down the lane. When I heard the whistle I though
for sure he was going to the line and they called Worthy for traveling
very late in the game. Which is pretty unbelievable in the Forum. Still
though Ken you can't deny they hammer KJ once or twice with no call....
now on to more important stuff: How many folks out there are sick and tire
of that minutemaid commercial and wish there was a sequel where "Nique
and Patrick catch the Princess and level him? ;^)
mike
|
| 8.1610 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Wed May 16 1990 15:13 | 7 |
| > <<< Note 8.1581 by TOLKIN::ELLIOTT >>>
> How bad do I feel?????? You'll have to (Try to) slap the grin off
> my face today...... I'm the happiest noter you'll run into today....
Sure you are, outside of Mr. Weddle and myself! ;-)
Mike
|
| 8.1611 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Wed May 16 1990 15:21 | 16 |
| > <<< Note 8.1593 by RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO "Goons,Bufoons,Loons,Broons" >>>
> To Mike Heiser: Congrats to the only Suns fan in this conference.
Thanks JD! Jim Weddle is also a Suns' fan, but is new in here.
> Keep wondering when the loss of Duckworth will hurt the Blazers.
> If they get by San Antonio, they won't face another real center
> the rest of the way. Portland should beat Phoenix, which will
> endure a post-Laker letdown, and Mark West will remember who he
> is and by another extremely mediocre center. Blazers match up
> better vs. the Suns.
That's okay, we've heard that before (last week in fact). The Suns
like being the underdogs.
Mike
|
| 8.1612 | You read my mind Mike | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | Just do it! | Wed May 16 1990 15:49 | 8 |
| Mike,
I love it! I have thought that so MANY times. If only the
commercial would continue where Isiah is caught and .......
Aren't fantasies wonderful?
Bret
|
| 8.1613 | In requiem. We'll get 'em next year. | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Wed May 16 1990 15:55 | 40 |
| Congrats to the SUns and their fans. I'm very disappointed. Even down
3-1, I was searching for reasons to hope the Lakers would come back and
win. I was very surprised that they couldn't hold on last night, but
it became obvious sometime early in the 4th that it was the same script
being played on a different night.
What to say about Worthy? I've defended him to death in here, and I've
never seen him play worse in consecutive games. I feel confident he'll
re-establish his high standards, but I was crushed time and again with
his futility posting up and popping outside. The Suns defense was
undeniably effective, but this guy has scored 40 on Rodman and Detroit
doubling and tripling. I have no idea why he went so cold and no
excuses to offer.
Mike, I think AC was hurt. I saw him limping very badly on Sunday, and
he didn't look that effective when he was in last night. He also made
a few plays where he didn't use his head, which was common for the
Lakers last night. They got carried away in the first half, and should
have rolled to a much bigger lead then the 13 or 15 they went up. Very
inefficient, but their backs were up against the wall which always
creates unique problems for a team.
Magic was tremendous. He could put up Jordan like numbers, but it
wouldn't make the Lakers a better team. He just didn't get the help he
needed, which was very frustrating for me. I've seen these guys come
through so many times, and yet they just fizzled.
I still have reservations about KJ's game, but it's damn good, so why
get better? Lakers never went to the trap (which I disagree with), and
he's the reason why. Riley must have felt that it couldn't be
effective with Johnson in the game. It worked last year, and it's the
defense which gets the team going in so many ways and has pulled the
fat out of the fryer so many times. CD.
Hornacek should also be mentioned. He's just amazingly consistent.
And such form on the J. A nail in the coffin so many times.
Oh well. I'm rooting for Jordan and the Bulls from here.
Dan
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| 8.1614 | Call the ad "Little Princess gets a concussion" | 4159::NAZZARO | We're the Dead Beat Club | Wed May 16 1990 16:11 | 10 |
| I too would love to see the continuation of that Minute Maid
commercial, and have Patrick and 'Nique pummel The Little
Princess (tm) into oblivion! They could end the commercial
with something like "Nobody steals our Minute Maid - especially
not a wimpy princess like you, Isiah!"
NAZZ
BTW, if anyone has a box from last night's SUns game, could you
please post it in here? Thanks.
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| 8.1615 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Wed May 16 1990 16:14 | 65 |
| <<< AIMTEC::$1$DUA3:[NOTES$LIBRARY]LAKERS.NOTE;1 >>>
-< lakers >-
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Note 26.130 1990 Playoffs 130 of 131
SWAM3::AMBRAY_JU 59 lines 16-MAY-1990 13:13
-< Magic & Kevin Johnson's show >-
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Don't know what happened to the Celtics note so I'll just put these
last box score of the Lakers in this note.
May 15, 1990
Playoff Result
Phoenix Suns 106 - Los Angeles Lakers* 103
*host team
Suns 106
Player Min FG-A FT-A R A P T
T. Chambers 39 4-18 3-4 9 0 4 12
K. Rambis 21 0-4 1-2 5 0 2 1
M. West 42 4-9 2-6 16 0 4 10
J. Hornacek 38 7-14 8-8 4 4 3 22
K. Johnson 42 14-23 9-10 3 8 1 37
D. Majerle 32 6-10 3-4 5 3 4 16
E. Johnson 25 3-11 2-2 4 2 4 8
T. Perry 1 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0
Totals 240 38-89 28-36 46 17 22 106
3-point goals - Majerle 1-1, Chambers 1-2, Hornacek 0-1, EJohnson 0-1
Team Rebounds - 13
Blocked Shots - 1 (Chambers)
Turnovers - 15 (Hornacek 4, KJohnson 4, Rambis 2, West 2, Majerle
2, Chambers)
Steals - 8 (KJohnson 2, Majerle 2, Chambers, Rambis, West,
Hornacek)
Tech. Fouls - Chambers, West
Lakers 103
Player Min FG-A FT-A R A P T
AC Green 16 0-2 0-0 5 1 3 0
J. Worthy 42 5-19 4-4 6 1 3 14
V. Divac 30 5-7 0-0 8 1 6 10
E. Johnson 44 15-26 13-16 8 7 4 43
B. Scott 39 6-13 2-2 2 3 4 17
M. Cooper 31 2-6 0-0 3 6 3 5
M. Thompson 12 2-4 1-2 6 0 4 5
O. Woolridge 21 2-4 3-4 0 2 3 7
L. Drew 5 1-1 0-0 0 0 0 2
Totals 240 38-82 23-28 38 21 30 103
3-point goals - Scott 3-8, Cooper 1-2, Johnson 0-2
Team Rebounds - 11
Blocked Shots - 3 (Woolridge 3)
Turnovers - 18 (Johnson 6, Worthy 5, Scott 2, Drew 2, Green, Divac,
Cooper)
Steals - 9 (Divac 3, Cooper 3, Worthy, Scott, Woolridge)
Tech. Fouls - Green, Divac
Phoenix Suns 20 33 24 29 - 106
Los Angeles Lakers 35 26 19 23 - 103
Att:17,505
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| 8.1616 | all the boxes fit to print | GOOBER::ROSS | Goin' South | Wed May 16 1990 16:19 | 154 |
|
NEW YORK (84) AT DETROIT (95)
NEW YORK
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
VANDEWEGHE F 25 2-6 0-0 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 5
OAKLEY F 40 3-7 0-2 1 7 8 5 1 0 3 6
EWING C 46 7-23 8-8 0 14 14 2 4 1 2 22
G WILKINS G 37 8-16 2-2 1 2 3 3 4 2 2 18
CHEEKS G 38 6-11 3-3 1 3 4 9 2 2 3 15
NEWMAN 24 3-5 2-3 1 0 1 0 4 1 3 8
TUCKER 12 1-3 0-0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 2
JACKSON 10 2-4 2-2 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 6
WALKER 8 1-2 0-0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 2
TOTALS 240 33-77 17-20 6 28 34 23 16 7 14 84
(.429) (.850) TEAM REBS: 9
DETROIT
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
RODMAN F 35 2-4 0-0 3 8 11 1 4 0 0 4
EDWARDS F 31 6-9 3-3 0 2 2 0 5 0 3 15
LAIMBEER C 30 1-7 0-0 2 8 10 1 1 1 1 2
DUMARS G 38 5-12 4-4 1 1 2 4 1 1 1 14
THOMAS G 33 5-18 5-6 0 0 0 6 2 3 1 16
JOHNSON 25 7-12 0-0 1 3 4 3 2 0 3 14
SALLEY 27 1-5 3-4 1 6 7 2 4 1 1 5
AGUIRRE 21 11-15 2-2 3 5 8 1 3 1 3 25
TOTALS 240 38-82 17-19 11 33 44 18 22 7 13 95
(.463) (.895) TEAM REBS: 6
NEW YORK 28 21 14 21 - 84
DETROIT 20 31 18 26 - 95
BLOCKED SHOTS: NYK - EWING 3, VANDEWEGHE. DET - LAIMBEER 2, SALLEY 2,
EDWARDS.
3-PT. FIELD GOALS: NYK 1-6 (.167), VANDEWEGHE 1-2, G WILKINS 0-2,
NEWMAN 0-1, TUCKER 0-1. DET 2-9 (.222), LAIMBEER 0-1, THOMAS 1-5,
AGUIRRE 1-3.
OFFICIALS: ED T RUSH, BAVETTA, JAVIE.
A - 21,454.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PHOENIX (106) AT LA LAKERS (103)
PHOENIX
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
CHAMBERS F 39 4-18 3-4 2 7 9 0 4 1 1 12
RAMBIS F 21 0-4 1-2 3 2 5 0 2 1 2 1
WEST C 42 4-9 2-6 4 12 16 0 4 1 2 10
HORNACEK G 38 7-14 8-8 1 3 4 4 3 1 4 22
K JOHNSON G 42 14-23 9-10 1 2 3 8 1 2 4 37
MAJERLE 32 6-10 3-4 4 1 5 3 4 2 2 16
E JOHNSON 25 3-11 2-2 1 3 4 2 4 0 0 8
PERRY 1 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TOTALS 240 38-89 28-36 16 30 46 17 22 8 15 106
(.427) (.778) TEAM REBS: 13
LA LAKERS
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
GREEN F 16 0-2 0-0 1 4 5 1 3 0 1 0
CLANG F 42 5-19 4-4 2 4 6 1 3 1 5 14
DIVAC C 30 5-7 0-0 2 6 8 1 6 3 1 10
SCOTT G 39 6-13 2-2 0 2 2 3 4 1 2 17
JOHNSON G 44 15-26 13-16 2 6 8 7 4 0 6 43
COOPER 31 2-6 0-0 1 2 3 6 3 3 1 5
THOMPSON 12 2-4 1-2 3 3 6 0 4 0 0 5
WOOLRIDGE 21 2-4 3-4 0 0 0 2 3 1 0 7
DREW 5 1-1 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2
TOTALS 240 38-82 23-28 11 27 38 21 30 9 18 103
(.463) (.821) TEAM REBS: 11
PHOENIX 20 33 24 29 - 106
LA LAKERS 35 26 19 23 - 103
BLOCKED SHOTS: PHO - CHAMBERS. LAL - WOOLRIDGE 3.
3-PT. FIELD GOALS: PHO 2-5 (.400), CHAMBERS 1-2, HORNACEK 0-1,
MAJERLE 1-1, E JOHNSON 0-1. LAL 4-12 (.333), SCOTT 3-8, JOHNSON 0-2,
COOPER 1-2.
TECHNICALS: PHO - CHAMBERS, WEST. LAL - GREEN, DIVAC.
OFFICIALS: J CRAWFORD, NIES, OAKES.
A - 17,505.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SAN ANTONIO (132) AT PORTLAND (138) - FINAL IN DOUBLE OT
SAN ANTONIO
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
ELLIOTT F 33 9-15 3-3 2 5 7 0 4 1 1 21
CUMMINGS F 52 9-22 13-14 5 6 11 3 2 1 4 32
ROBINSON C 43 9-18 9-15 8 7 15 1 6 1 3 27
STRICKLAND G 38 5-14 1-1 1 3 4 7 6 1 2 11
ANDERSON G 43 11-21 1-2 2 3 5 3 6 0 2 23
BRICKOWSKI 11 0-0 1-2 0 1 1 0 2 2 2 1
WILLIAMS 17 3-13 1-1 3 0 3 1 2 2 0 7
WINGATE 43 2-5 4-4 2 6 8 6 6 3 5 10
JONES 8 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
MOORE 2 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
TOTALS 290 48-109 33-42 23 32 55 21 35 11 19 132
(.440) (.786) TEAM REBS: 12
PORTLAND
REBOUNDS
PLAYER POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA OFF-DEF-TOT AST PF ST TO PTS
====== === === ======= ======= =========== === == == == ===
KERSEY F 54 7-19 9-12 2 8 10 2 4 3 1 23
WILLIAMS F 51 7-14 1-2 2 8 10 4 5 0 5 15
ROBINSON C 35 4-8 3-4 4 3 7 1 6 2 3 11
DREXLER G 48 13-24 6-8 5 3 8 9 6 2 4 35
PORTER G 54 13-19 7-9 0 5 5 5 1 0 6 38
PETROVIC 29 3-8 4-6 1 4 5 1 5 0 2 11
BRYANT 7 0-0 1-2 0 1 1 0 2 0 0 1
YOUNG 12 1-1 2-2 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 4
TOTALS 290 48-93 33-45 15 32 47 22 29 7 21 138
(.516) (.733) TEAM REBS: 13
SAN ANTONIO 27 26 34 32 7 6 - 132
PORTLAND 41 31 27 20 7 12 - 138
BLOCKED SHOTS: SAS - ROBINSON 2, ANDERSON. POR - KERSEY 2, DREXLER.
3-PT. FIELD GOALS: SAS 3-7 (.429), CUMMINGS 1-1, STRICKLAND 0-2,
WILLIAMS 0-1, WINGATE 2-2, MOORE 0-1. POR 9-17 (.529), ROBINSON 0-1,
DREXLER 3-5, PORTER 5-9, PETROVIC 1-2.
TECHNICALS: POR - ILLEGAL DEFENSE (2).
OFFICIALS: J ODONNELL, HOLLINS, FORTE.
A - 12,884.
|
| 8.1617 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Wed May 16 1990 16:52 | 16 |
| > <<< Note 8.1613 by WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER "I will not instigate revolution." >>>
> What to say about Worthy? I've defended him to death in here, and I've
> never seen him play worse in consecutive games. I feel confident he'll
> re-establish his high standards, but I was crushed time and again with
> his futility posting up and popping outside. The Suns defense was
> undeniably effective, but this guy has scored 40 on Rodman and Detroit
> doubling and tripling. I have no idea why he went so cold and no
> excuses to offer.
I'd like to give some credit to Rambis and West here. I'm sure Rambo
learned a few things about James while in LA and used it to the Suns
advantage. West is also very quick for a big man. The 2 of them
sealed off Worthy's low post spin moves.
Mike
|
| 8.1618 | Heiser's right | UPWARD::WEDDLE | | Wed May 16 1990 17:12 | 27 |
| <<< Note 8.1617 by UPWARD::HEISER "give me 7 pillars of wisdom" >>>
> I'd like to give some credit to Rambis and West here. I'm sure Rambo
> learned a few things about James while in LA and used it to the Suns
> advantage. West is also very quick for a big man. The 2 of them
> sealed off Worthy's low post spin moves.
I agree Mike. Rambis knows Worthy. Jamz will be back though. He's been
too great for too long to be down long. He and Magic showed alot of class
by coming by the Suns lockerroom after the game to congratulate the winners.
According to the AZ Republic, they esp. congratulated Rambis on his play.
re: Laker_Ken and refs.
I agree there were some terrible calls on both sides. Chambers dropped his
shoulder a couple of times. I just felt that the refs were letting KJ get
destroyed while on the other end Magic was getting Magic calls. They definitely
have different standards for superstars, stars, rookies, et al. That's what
sucks. Let the superstars continue to prove themselves. Let the rookies
(ie Vlade had a couple of quick whistles last night) have a chance. Enough
said. NBA Referring AIN'T worth the keystrokes.
re: Liz
Hi Liz. When's lunch sweetheart? Your town or mine?
Jim
|
| 8.1619 | :-) | EARRTH::BROOKS | Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ... | Wed May 16 1990 18:20 | 5 |
| I think Weddle and Heiser are the same person.
This Weddle guy didn't show up in here until the playoffs right ?
Whitehair, do you hve any family in AZ. ?
|
| 8.1620 | dere r 2 blam | EARRTH::BROOKS | Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ... | Wed May 16 1990 18:23 | 10 |
| re .1603
Saw, the Celts fans derseved what they got because for years they
have been classless in victory. We Laker fans have been gracious
in victory, and in defeat I will be the same.
But IMO, Cads and Fungus fans have abrogated any right to go HA
HA ... their teams either are chokers or too incompetent.
Case closed !
|
| 8.1621 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ... | Wed May 16 1990 18:25 | 3 |
| re .1606
Mike you Wardled in the same note ..... :-)
|
| 8.1622 | Time for new blood... | CAM::WAY | Go ask Alice, when she's ten feet tall | Wed May 16 1990 18:30 | 16 |
| 8.1623 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Wed May 16 1990 18:34 | 8 |
| > <<< Note 8.1619 by EARRTH::BROOKS "Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ..." >>>
> I think Weddle and Heiser are the same person.
No Doc, we've been seen at the same time in the same place. Besides,
I'm only 6'2", he's about 6'5" (plays a mean center too on our DEC
team).
Mike
|
| 8.1624 | hypocrite! | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Wed May 16 1990 18:40 | 8 |
| > <<< Note 8.1620 by EARRTH::BROOKS "Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ..." >>>
> have been classless in victory. We Laker fans have been gracious
> in victory, and in defeat I will be the same.
Right, like I believe it too! You were REAL CLASSY when LA swept
Phoenix last year!
Mike
|
| 8.1625 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Wed May 16 1990 18:44 | 5 |
|
re: -1
Mike, the only thing that guy knows about class is that his mom made
him go to it when he was in high school.
|
| 8.1626 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ... | Wed May 16 1990 19:42 | 18 |
| re .1624
Mikey, you earned all the crow you got last year !
Shall Laker_Ken and I pull out excepts of your greatest hits ? :-)
Anyhow, I really hope the Puns-uh, I mean the Suns, do well the
rest of the way. Frankly, Portland looks like a better team, but
the absence of Duckworth could really show up (although if they
can survive David Robinson, Mark West shouldn't drive them too crazy,
nothing personal Mikey ...) next round. SA looks strong, but their
inexperience makes them longshots ....
So I gotta believe that it's a Portland-Suns C.F.
Lotasluck,
Doc
|
| 8.1627 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ... | Wed May 16 1990 19:43 | 6 |
| re .1625
yawn ....
I must say Paul, that those charm and class lessons you took ar
really paying off ... :-)
|
| 8.1628 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Wed May 16 1990 20:17 | 12 |
| > <<< Note 8.1626 by EARRTH::BROOKS "Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ..." >>>
> Mikey, you earned all the crow you got last year !
> Shall Laker_Ken and I pull out excepts of your greatest hits ? :-)
Right! Some of the Laker fans have been telling me offline that I'm
too kind! I said to them that I didn't want to LOWER myself to the level
of SOME Laker fans. Everyone knew who I was talking about. (Hint Hint)
You and Laker_Ken can give it your best shot, if you want to play
dirty. I'm more than ready for you!
Mike
|
| 8.1629 | You ? Kind ? HAHAHAHAHA !!!! | EARRTH::BROOKS | Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ... | Wed May 16 1990 21:22 | 6 |
| Where are these sell-out Laker fans at Mikey ? Huh ?
BTW, how's construction going on the St. Micheal Heiser Catherdral
going in Phoenix ?
:-)
|
| 8.1630 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Wed May 16 1990 22:02 | 21 |
| > -< You ? Kind ? HAHAHAHAHA !!!! >-
Sure, I'm not hard to get along with. You don't see me in any daily
LDUC's never mind multi-year LDUC's. Sometimes I think we're more
serious about our sports than the athletes themselves. I can take as
much razzin' as the next guy, but the line has to be drawn somewhere.
Knowing some in here though, the viscious cycle will continue next year
IF LA gains revenge on Phoenix. LA fans have had the best decade any
NBA fan could hope for, they'll be back. For now, we'll enjoy our
moment, which has only been equaled by Boston and Houston in the last
decade. Maybe next time around, SOME LA fans will be more gracious in
victory.
> Where are these sell-out Laker fans at Mikey ? Huh ?
They know who they are and so do I. That is sufficient.
> BTW, how's construction going on the St. Micheal Heiser Catherdral
> going in Phoenix ?
I'm not Catholic, but the cornerstone was cemented last night. ;-)
|
| 8.1631 | just an update | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Thu May 17 1990 11:34 | 9 |
| Chicago 117 Philly 99, Chicago wins series 4-1 and will now
face Detroit in the Eastern Conference finals for the second time
in a row.
Portland at San Antonio tonight (8pm I believe??) on TNT. Portland
leads series 3-2 ans can win the series tonight. Phoenix awaits
the winner to play for the Western Conference championship.
sean
|
| 8.1632 | | REFINE::ASHE | Homer,Marge,Bart,Lisa,Maggie,OJ | Thu May 17 1990 11:43 | 19 |
| Still catching up...
JD, Mike did put "many smiles" in his note... thanks for the congrats
though.
Congrats to Mike, definitely not bandwagon material. See KJ on
Arsenioooooo last night?
What happened to "3_out_of_4peat"?
I would now like to officially take the * of any Laker fan's attempt
to discredit last years loss...
'87 won in 5 or 6?
'88 won in 7* (Isiah was hurt, ok, you might take it off)
'89 lost in finals
'90 lost in conference semis
What's next year? First round? Looks like the slide may have begun...
|
| 8.1633 | when is game 1 of the Detroit-Chicago series? | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | I want to die with my tapshoes on | Thu May 17 1990 11:54 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1634 | Sunday, Sunday, Sunday... | REFINE::ASHE | I gotta be me... | Thu May 17 1990 11:55 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1635 | Take a little, give a little. It's all in good fun! | SASE::SZABO | Just say YES to freakin' lunaticism! | Thu May 17 1990 12:02 | 20 |
| 8.1636 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Thu May 17 1990 12:02 | 5 |
| yep, Sunday, 1pm at Detroit, here on CBS. Unless the
Portland-SA series goes seven it will be Phoenix at Portland, Sunday,
3:30pm, here on CBS.
sean
|
| 8.1637 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Goons,Bufoons,Loons,Broons | Thu May 17 1990 12:59 | 20 |
| Hawk,
Just having fun. I always chastise the pro_celtic crowd, it's a
tradition! But I will admit, the Doc has me rolling. And Mike,
if he hasn't gotten the Hint, Hint yet, he never will ;-)
And Hornacek is funny looking - so is Mchale, and Kiki...;-)
Jd
Hoping for a Portland-Pistons final. Dont think I could stand a
"Micheal this, Michael that" final - I'd puke from the gushing by
the announcers....plus, I couldn't stand the thought of stiffs like
Bill Cartwright, Ed Nealy, and Paxson winning a champeenship ring.
I've gone with Portland all the way, since I've always been a Buck
Williams fan, and he deserves a ring for toiling in New Jersey for
all those years. But that guy Petrovac is funny looking ;-)
JD
|
| 8.1638 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Thu May 17 1990 13:07 | 6 |
| There goes JD again. Bad mouthing the Bulls. Is there no end?
many many 8^)'s
Have faith... Michael will lead us to the promise land.
sean
|
| 8.1639 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Goons,Bufoons,Loons,Broons | Thu May 17 1990 13:14 | 17 |
| Sean,
No bad-mouthing. I like Jordan for his fantastic ability - but
to tell ya the troof (TM) I'm sick of seeing him 30 gazillion times
a game doing Nike commericials, selling this, selling that, and
I'm sick of listening to the announcers guys over everythang he
does. I'm also not a big fan of Mr. Bill - from his days as a stiff
on the Knicks. He does have a huge, plate-stackable butt though
- it's bigger than Oprah's !! '_)
I expect the series to be physical - caint wait to see them two
funning looking guys, Laimbeer and Nealy bang underneef.
JD
PS: Isnt' Dan Marjele kinda funny looking - looks like a grown
up Mikey from the Life commercials...
|
| 8.1640 | | SASE::SZABO | Just say YES to freakin' lunaticism! | Thu May 17 1990 13:19 | 6 |
| 8.1641 | Go Air | SHALOT::HUNT | Heartbreak Motor Oil and Bombay Gin | Thu May 17 1990 13:52 | 8 |
| I'll root for the Bulls. I love watching Jordan play and no doubt
he's got much, much more highlight film footage to fill up.
Imagine if the Bulls do get to the Finals. It will be a welcome
breath of fresh air to have two teams besides Los Angeles and
Detroit.
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.1642 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ... | Thu May 17 1990 13:53 | 9 |
| Neely = Greg Kite of the 1990's
Ugh.
A nuclear slam-a-thon between Clyde and Micheal would be really
entertaining ...
But you guys have to admit - CBS is probably sweating the possibility
of a Suns-Pistons final ! Heh heh heh ...
|
| 8.1643 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Thu May 17 1990 14:05 | 14 |
| "nuclear slam-a-thon" needs a (tm) Doc 8^)
I've sort of been secretly hoping for a Portland-Chicago matchup.
It would, for one thing, bring into light a team that many people
know very little if anything about (Clyde who?).
Sometimes when I'm watching Chicago games I get a little irritated
when it is Jordan this and Jordan that (believe it or not!). What
really gets me going is when Nealy starts crashing the boards or
Pippen soars for a dunk down the lane. Jordan is still the greatest
joy to watch of them all, however. With all the hype and fame he
has he still manages to awe and stupend.
sean
|
| 8.1644 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Goons,Bufoons,Loons,Broons | Thu May 17 1990 14:10 | 16 |
| Sean,
Actually, what irks me are the announcers that have to try to make
everythang a superstar like Jordan does as special. They did it
for Bird, Magic, etc. Like, Jordan will dribble, normally, no big
deal down the court, stop, pass, get the ball back, and take a normal
jumper. The announcer will be gushing about what a great move he
made, what amazing dribbling prowess, etc...gets me sick. I do
love watching him, but the key for the Pistons will be how King,Pippen,
Mr. Useles, er Mr. Bill, et al play - and if they get significant
contributions from Paxson and Hodges and Armstrong.
Joe Dumars has been quiet - I expect him to 'wake up' vs the Buls.
Just a hunch...
JD
|
| 8.1645 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Thu May 17 1990 14:18 | 12 |
| I agree with you JD... if you watched the Philly-Chicago game
last night, one of the stats they repeatedly updating was "The
Superstar's Summary", basically showing the scoring summaries for
Jordan and Barkley... thassit!
Sometimes I think sportscasters are afraid to offer any criticism
of Jordan simply because he does so many good things and it will
make them look bad. Therefore, they enter the stereotypical PRAISE
mode. If you aren't a Chicago or Jordan fan, I can see how this
would get very irritating after a while! 8^)
sean
|
| 8.1646 | Clyde D. - Sterling High, Univ. of Houston | EARRTH::BROOKS | Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ... | Thu May 17 1990 14:49 | 4 |
| Sean, I like Jordan, and the overhype still gets on my nerves.
And it would be great if Clyde got the credit due him, he's a awesome
all-around talent. And he's no mystery to this noter ...
|
| 8.1647 | HoF inductees | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Thu May 17 1990 14:51 | 49 |
| From: clarinews@clarinet.com (KENNETH R. BAZINET)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Bing, Monroe, Hayes, Johnston join basketball hall
Date: 15 May 90 22:07:58 GMT
SPRINGFIELD, Mass. (UPI) -- Dave Bing, Earl Monroe, Elvin Hayes and
the late Neil Johnston Tuesday were inducted into the Basketball Hall of
Fame.
``I think it's what we, as young men, and now young women, grow up
thinking about,'' Bing said. ``There are a lot of my coaches and a lot
of my teammates that share in this enshrinement. I want to thank them
all personally.''
Bing, 48, now runs a steel business he founded in Detroit. He
starred in college at Syracuse before going on to the Detroit Pistons,
Washington Bullets and Boston Celtics. The 6-foot-3 guard averaged 20.3
points a game and had 5,397 assists during his 12 years in the NBA.
``Dave was always a problem for me because he was so fast and he
could jump so high,'' Monroe said.
Monroe, ``the Pearl,'' thrilled fans with his spins and high
dribbles during a 13-year career with the Baltimore Bullets and New York
Knicks. His backcourt play helped the Knicks to a championship in 1973.
``Early on I was called a `hotdog' by some in the media,'' he said.
``People never understood the way I played the game was just a logical
way to play.''
Said Bing: ``He was the first true Magic. He did so many great
things.''
Monroe, 47, is now in the music business.
``It's times like this, when you look around and see some of the
guys you played with and against that you realize how much you miss the
game,'' he said.
Hayes broke in with the San Diego Rockets in 1969, when he led the
league in scoring. He later moved to the Bullets, pacing the club to the
1978 NBA crown, and Houston. In all, he spent 16 years in the pros and
was a 12-time All-Star.
Hayes, 6-9, played center and set the standard for versatility at
his position. Today, a player at Hayes's height would play forward or
guard. Hayes says basketball is the better for the change.
``I think Larry Bird and Magic Johnson have revolutionized the
game,'' he said.
Hayes was the 1968 college Player of the Year. He led the
University of Houston to a 71-69 victory over UCLA and Kareem
Abdul-Jabbar, then Lew Alcindor. The game, played before 52,693 fans at
the Astrodome, snapped the Bruins' 47-game winning streak.
``You get very few chances in life to be part of history and that
was history,'' Hayes said.
Johnston signed with the Philadelphia Warriors in 1951 and went on
to lead the NBA in scoring three straight seasons. He was a member of
the Warriors 1956 championship team. Johnston died in 1978.
|
| 8.1648 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Thu May 17 1990 14:59 | 13 |
| > And it would be great if Clyde got the credit due him, he's a awesome
> all-around talent. And he's no mystery to this noter ...
It's great that people are getting an "eye opener" as to West
teams and players outside of the Lakers... My friend who doesn't
watch too much basketball couldn't name 5 players in the West outside
of the Lakers before the lasted couple of years...unfortunately it has only
come about because of the crumbling of LA and the uprise of the West.
KJ, Chambers, Stockton, Malone, Drexler, Porter and D. Robinson
will all be household names where before they swam helplessly in the
sea of obscurity and non recognition that *was* the Western Conference.
sean
|
| 8.1649 | Clyde shoulda been a Rocket ! | EARRTH::BROOKS | Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ... | Thu May 17 1990 15:03 | 10 |
| I admit I've an advantage. growing up in CA and TX, you see a lot
more of the Western teams. Living in Houston, I was Drexler's classmate
for a year. Then in college, UH was the only decent major college
team, so just about everybody in the city rooted for them.
Drexler has steadily improved his game just about every year, to
the point that is total game has to ranked among the top 7 in the
entire league. But playing in Portland has kept him well hidden....
00:00
|
| 8.1650 | Thunder Dan! | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Thu May 17 1990 15:03 | 4 |
| > PS: Isnt' Dan Marjele kinda funny looking - looks like a grown
> up Mikey from the Life commercials...
Yeah but he's a GAMER!
|
| 8.1651 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Thu May 17 1990 15:06 | 8 |
| > But you guys have to admit - CBS is probably sweating the possibility
> of a Suns-Pistons final ! Heh heh heh ...
Doc, I had hoped you learned your lesson by now. Save the laughter
until it is over so you can save face. Remember, "only a fool opens
his mouth and removes all doubt!"
Mike
|
| 8.1652 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Thu May 17 1990 15:08 | 4 |
| Doc, you went to UH? That's pretty cool. Did you ever get
to meet Akeem or Clyde?
sean
|
| 8.1653 | | CAM::WAY | Go ask Alice, when she's ten feet tall | Thu May 17 1990 15:20 | 9 |
| 8.1654 | thanks 'Saw 8^) | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Thu May 17 1990 15:25 | 3 |
| So Doc, you went to UH? That's hotter n' hell!!! Tell us more!
sean
|
| 8.1655 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | 3 OT's and still standing | Thu May 17 1990 15:58 | 9 |
| 8.1656 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Thu May 17 1990 16:00 | 4 |
| > Sean, I guess you never met the Doc. Otherwise you would've said:
>"Doc,...did you ever run into Akeem's or Clyde's kneecaps?"
Yeah they used to play the "Dork Hoops"(tm) version of 21 together.
|
| 8.1657 | Yeah, I got creamed by The Glide - so what ! :-) | EARRTH::BROOKS | Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ... | Thu May 17 1990 16:05 | 12 |
|
Actually I'm a Rice/T.S.U. alumni. My overlap with Mr Drexler was in
high school (he was a year ahead of me). As a matter of fact I did
run into his knee caps a time or two. I went to Sterling H.S. in
the 10th grade, and one day in gym class we were all shooting hoops.
I was about 4' 10" and brash of course ... :-) So me and some other
guys figure we'd 'school' a couple of varsity guys in 1-1. You can
guess what happened. I drive by Drexler, only to have my shot 'attempt'
(wasn't much of an attempt, more like a good intention :-) get stuck
in his armpit or something .... how embarrasing ....
Doc
|
| 8.1658 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Thu May 17 1990 16:07 | 4 |
| Did Clyde get his nickname from H.S. or was that not until
college/pros?
sean
|
| 8.1659 | | FSHQA1::JRODOPOULOS | | Thu May 17 1990 16:27 | 6 |
| I can not believe that I am doing this, but Dr. M is right about
Drexler. Having also grown up in Texas U of H was a powerhouse
when the the Tallest Fraternity (Phi Slama Jama) was created. That
team of Drexler, Micheau, AKEEM, Young, and the white guard were
probably the best Houston team ever. It was pure stupidity that
they lost in the NCAA final.
|
| 8.1660 | mucho smiles doc... | WXYZ::METZGER | Don't have a cow man... | Thu May 17 1990 16:29 | 11 |
|
gee Sean,
You should know by now that Doc has lived everywhere. This is how he justifies
being a fan of every team in existance :-)
Hey I lived there...they're my favorite team....
Metz
|
| 8.1661 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | AFool&HisMoneyAreSoonPartying!! | Thu May 17 1990 18:39 | 15 |
| >>Where are these sell-out Laker fans at Mikey ? Huh ?
I was one. Hell, if the shoe was one the other foot I'd have been
ribbing Mike about it. He just didn't wanna put his foot in his mouth
and get jobbed if the lakers came back. he can be cool about it if he
wants to.
Oh yea, Doc, I ain't no sell out Laker fan either. Yer just mad cuz now
you need a new bandwagon to hop on. For me, basketball is over this
season. I will keep tabs on whats going on, I might even cheer for the
Suns. I know, Mikey has a spot on the bandwagon for me, but I'd just as
soon sit this one out.
Best of luck Phoenix. Bring the trophy back WEST!!
|
| 8.1662 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Never trust a Brooklyn Queen ... | Thu May 17 1990 19:00 | 60 |
| Clyde The Glide was coined full-time in college (I can't be sure,
but I think that it was used a little in H.S.).
What's really crazy is that I transferred to Yates high for the
11th and 12th grade. In the 11th grade Yates went undefeated in
the regular season (something like 31-0, only to be upset in the
first round), led by a left-handed shooting terror, and H.S.
All-America. His name ?
Micheal Young.
Another note :
Clyde was a fairly big scorer in H.S., but never got a lot of press.
He was far overshadowed by Micheal Young. When UH signed Young it
was a major coup. Drexler was an afterthought/bonus. But people
didn't realize the skills Clyde had in the open court, his leaping
abilty (he is the only person I've seen who is more effective slamming
over a guy in a game, than an exhibition !), and most importantly,
his ballhandling.
re 1659,
As far as I'm concerned, the 1983-85 Coogs was (or should have been)
Team Of The Decade :
1983 1984 1985
F Larry Micheaux Micheaux Ricky Winslow
F Drexler Drexler Young
C Akeem Akeem Akeem
G Rob Williams Reid Gettys Alvin Franklin
G Micheal Young Young Gettys
What is really amazing about those teams is that almost all of the
talent was backyard talent. Guy Lewis had the lowest recruting budget
in history. :-)
Micheaux - Worthing H.S. Houston
Young - Yates H.S. ""
Drexler - Sterling H.S. ""
Gettys - Memorial H.S. ""
Franklin - LaMarque H.S. LaMarque, TX. (which is about 20 minutes
south of Houston on I-45.)
Benny Anders - Bernice, LA. (about 2hrs away)
Akeem is the only real 'outsider'. :-) And he came to UH on his
own, there wasn't any real recruiting there ....
Who says that Texas doesn't have talent ?
re NC State,
I wasn't too disappointed that they didn't win in 83, they were
young....but the loss to NC State ....
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Doc
|
| 8.1663 | not | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu May 17 1990 19:47 | 6 |
| > As far as I'm concerned, the 1983-85 Coogs was (or should have been)
> Team Of The Decade :
Losing the title games doesn't help your cause here, Doc.
TTom
|
| 8.1664 | TTom, I know better ... UH was the greatest team NOT to win it all | EARRTH::BROOKS | Candyman & Kermit on the nightshift. :-( | Thu May 17 1990 19:51 | 2 |
| Like I said TTom ... they **should have been** TotD .... that sorry
*!@^(!_)_@# Guy Lewis !!!!!!
|
| 8.1665 | new chumps on the block | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu May 17 1990 19:54 | 5 |
| I do agree with you Doc, that in terms of talent on the court, they were
awesome. But you have to put Guy in perspective. Coach K from Duke have
taken over as Reigning Chump.
TTom
|
| 8.1666 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Candyman & Kermit on the nightshift. :-( | Thu May 17 1990 19:57 | 9 |
| I dunno TTom, Coach K probably had a better team than L'ville a
few years back (although I was rooting for 'Ville), but these other
teams, IMO were not the best in the country. Certainly not this
year ....
But in 1984, UH should have kicked NC State's a$$ 9,999 times out
of 1,000, no questions asked.
WAAAAAAHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!
|
| 8.1667 | Shift by one year, Doc | 34578::HUNT | Rose goes in the front, big guy ... | Thu May 17 1990 20:15 | 15 |
| Minor nit, Doc, but your dates are a little off ...
In 1982, Cougar High went to the Final Four in New Orleans and lost to UNC
in the semis.
In 1983, the Coogs blew it big time to NC State in Albuquerque.
In 1984, they lost to Georgetown in the final game in Seattle.
And they were *lucky* to be in that final game against the Hoyas. My
Wahoos handed the semi-final game over to the Coogs. Othell Wilson had
Olden Polynice wide open under the bucket for a game winning layup
but alas ...
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.1668 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Candyman & Kermit on the nightshift. :-( | Thu May 17 1990 20:37 | 10 |
| Thanks Bob, I thought I might have been off a year ....
UH could have beat UNC in 82, but Akeem got in early foul trouble (partly
inexperience, and partly due to some ticky-tack fouls), and Rob
Williams (yet another local product) went 0-8 from the floor.
Years later, it turns out that Rob had gotten back to his room at
4AM the morning of the game - he had been snorting ... :-(
Even so, UH lost a close one ....
|
| 8.1669 | State rulz | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | I feel the need for SPEED! | Thu May 17 1990 20:42 | 13 |
| 8.1670 | It was great to play with a pro!!!! | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Thu May 17 1990 22:49 | 16 |
| re; Doc's notes.
Doc,
I enjoyed your story about when you played Drexler, I kind of
had the same experience with MICHEAL COOPER of the Lakers/UNM Lobo
alumni. I went up for a "sweet" jumper and he kicked my @#it to
the moon......and you know what IT WAS GREAT!!!!!!!!! 8-) The
amazing thing is that he was about 7 to 10 feet in front of me,
took a step and my "sweet" shot was in the bleachers. I being a
full 5 ft 8 in with shoes and a high top fade and Coop being about
6'7" might of had a little to do with it. Doc since your the Houston
Coog Fan ALmighty........what ever happened to Larry "Mr Mean"
Micheaux?? He was a BANGER with a capital B!!!! I am very suprised
he didnt make the pros!!!!
|
| 8.1671 | NBA All-defensive | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri May 18 1990 10:58 | 9 |
| All Defensive Team:
Dennis Rodman, Detroit
Buck Williams, Portland
Akeem Olajuwon, Houston
Michael Jordan, Chicago
Joe Dumars, Detroit
TTom
|
| 8.1672 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Fri May 18 1990 11:54 | 10 |
| Well San Antonio forced a 7th game last night... Damn TNT was
all screwed up in Boston so I only got to see the last quarter which
wasn't very exciting.
Final score was 112-97. Drexler was ejected in the 3rd quarter
for elbowing Willie Anderson. After that the game was history.
Next game will be Saturday on CBS... not quite exactly sure of the
time.
sean
|
| 8.1673 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Candyman & Kermit on the nightshift. :-( | Fri May 18 1990 12:10 | 16 |
| Micheaux is playing Europe I believe. He was drafted by Chicago
(?) and almost instantly traded to the Kings. He didn't have a bad
rookie year, but was then traded to the Rockets the next year. He
came on really strong down the stretch, and had played Jim Peterson
to the bench. Nexted year though, Fitch decided that Peterson would
be his fist big man no matter what, and in a very unpopular move,
cut Micheaux.
Some coaches felt that (like the JR Reid rathole) Micheaux was poorly
coached in college, and lacked enough big man skills. The other
problem was that "Mr Mean" stood about 6' 7 to 6-9 (depending on
who you talked to), and was seen as a "tweener". I still think that
he could play a Rambis-type role on some team, but then again, if
the money in Europe is good, go for it ...
Doc
|
| 8.1674 | Suns *should* win the west easily. Blazers/Spurs unimpressive..... | SASE::SZABO | Just say YES to freakin' lunaticism! | Fri May 18 1990 12:28 | 7 |
| 8.1675 | | FAIRWY::KINGR | New_Kids_On_The_Block=Pimple_Music! | Fri May 18 1990 14:16 | 5 |
| Is there new information about Todd Lichti of the Denver Nuggets?
paper says critically injured... His female companion, who was driving,
was killed...
REK
|
| 8.1677 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Fri May 18 1990 20:00 | 24 |
| From: clarinews@clarinet.com
Newsgroups: clari.news.trouble,clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Nuggets' Lichti recovers from surgery
Date: 18 May 90 14:18:12 GMT
DENVER (UPI) -- Denver Nuggets guard Todd Lichti should recover
completely from injuries suffered in a car accident in Nevada that
killed his girlfriend, team officials said Friday.
Lichti, 22, was recovering from surgery on his broken right foot at
Rose Memorial Hospital, where he was flown Thursday from Pershing
Hospital in Lovelock, Nev. Lichti suffered a fracture of the fifth
metatarsal bone, as well as multiple lacerations.
Killed in the accident early Thursday was Lichti's girlfriend,
Kristin Gravrock, 23, of Bellevue, Wash.
The two had left Denver Wednesday to drive to California. The
Nevada Highway Patrol said Gravrock, who was driving at the time,
apparently fell asleep on Interstate 80 about 30 miles east of Lovelock.
The car went off the highway and overturned.
Dr. Allan Schreiber said the surgery appeared to be successful and
that Lichti was expected to fully recover.
Lichti, the Nuggets' first-round draft pick in the 1989 NBA draft,
averaged 8.0 points in 79 games as a rookie last season. He was the
all-time scoring leader at Stanford.
|
| 8.1678 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Mon May 21 1990 11:22 | 9 |
| Portland beat San Antonio in overtime Saturday to progress to
the Western Championship round against Phoenix that will start tonight.
Porter carried the team all the way down the stretch and then Clyde
took over, hitting a crucial 3 pointer when Portland was down by
7 with under 2 minutes to go in regulation.
This was a great series to watch, IMO.
sean
|
| 8.1679 | wasn't it Clyde it WAS........ | CNTROL::CHILDS | Tyler & Melody my kind of Angels | Mon May 21 1990 11:41 | 17 |
| > Porter carried the team all the way down the stretch and then Clyde
> took over, hitting a crucial 3 pointer when Portland was down by
> 7 with under 2 minutes to go in regulation.
Wasn't Clyde who took over it was the famous Dinz KOD. Spurs take the
seven point lead and ole Dinz let's out this gem
"You know I've liked the Spurs for atleast three years now"...
incredible how fast the the tide change after that ;^)....
he aLso had UnBridled in the horse pool, a perfect two for two with the
KOD.........
mike
|
| 8.1680 | west = up for grabs | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Mon May 21 1990 11:45 | 6 |
| Forgot to mention it. Kevin Duckworth and Wayne Cooper were
back for Portland (Duck's playing with a broken hand!). This gave
Portland the center position they were lacking with UConn grad,
Robinson. Should be a great series with Phoenix.
sean
|
| 8.1681 | Anyone seen Dock today? :-) | SASE::SZABO | Just say YES to freakin' lunaticism! | Mon May 21 1990 12:03 | 12 |
| 8.1682 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Mon May 21 1990 12:43 | 6 |
| Interesting note... both series are divisional rivalries.
What happened to the Atlantic and the MidWest?? Probably should
lump them in their own conference and let these two divisions go
at it during the regular season. 8^)
sean
|
| 8.1683 | | CAM::WAY | Go ask Alice, when she's ten feet tall | Mon May 21 1990 13:03 | 21 |
| Yeah, it was too bizarre.
I heard this voice on the TV, and for a moment stopped talking with
JoJ about the impending Titles later in the evening. I looked at
the TV and there was Hubie...
Immediately I thought that if you shaved his head he'd look like
Sam Francisco from Alien Nation...better yet, he looked like the
heinous alien dude after he sucked down all that Blue Dippity-Do
stuff outta the glass tube.
Didja ever notice there's no hoops games on at the same time
Alien Nation is????
Hmmmm
We had a perfect Freakin' Lunatic Time...
Work on those woodies, gents!
'Saw
|
| 8.1684 | IMHO | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Mon May 21 1990 14:41 | 6 |
| > This was a great series to watch, IMO.
Sean, I know you're a Portland fan, but the first 4 games were all
blowouts. Only the last 3 were great!
Mike
|
| 8.1685 | EST please | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Mon May 21 1990 14:51 | 10 |
| Mike, actually, yeah, you're right. The biggest blowouts were
the three games at San Antonio though. Games 5 and 7 at Portland
were unbelievable. The double overtime game was wicked intense!!
This series will probably be even better to watch. Two young,
fast teams. I'm really anxious to see this game tonight! 8^)
What time does it start anyways? 10:30 or so? thanks for any info.
sean
|
| 8.1686 | | SASE::SZABO | | Mon May 21 1990 14:53 | 12 |
| 8.1687 | | COBRA::DINSMORE | a smile that just melts a man..tyler | Mon May 21 1990 14:55 | 5 |
| gotta love those pistons.. what a team
dinz
|
| 8.1688 | The Dinz has spoken! The KOD is with Detriot! | SASE::SZABO | | Mon May 21 1990 14:59 | 3 |
| 8.1689 | | CAM::WAY | Go ask Alice, when she's ten feet tall | Mon May 21 1990 15:18 | 12 |
| I'm tellin ya, that Dinz KOD is brutal...
But talk about Vanin'... To hear Dinz tell it, if you believed the
amounts of time he's been a fan of all these teams, Dinz would
be about 300 years old...
And I've never seen anyone sweat as much as that David Robinson guy.
I mean, they finally had to hang a bucket off his belt to keep the
sweat off the floor. He must be a crackhaid for sure.
Chainsaw
|
| 8.1690 | Joe Dooooooooo- | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Mon May 21 1990 15:21 | 7 |
| 8.1691 | | CAM::WAY | Go ask Alice, when she's ten feet tall | Mon May 21 1990 15:25 | 8 |
| Speaking of suckers, did you see the funny video show on before
America's Most Wanted?
I loved the part where the kid caught the fish, held it up with
two hands, and the freakin' lunatic kid let's the fish jump into
his mouth... I was rolling and damn near peed my pants...
Chainsaw
|
| 8.1692 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | Sixers=Atlantic Div Champs | Mon May 21 1990 15:35 | 6 |
|
Caldwell Jones announced his retirement yesterday. He was the oldest
player in the NBA.
Dennis
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| 8.1693 | | REFINE::ASHE | I gotta be me... | Mon May 21 1990 15:58 | 4 |
| Too late Dinz, you can't change now....
What's wrong with Dooooo-mars... it's the same back when they
had Terry "Sweet" Duuuuue-rod...
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| 8.1694 | | FSHQA1::JRODOPOULOS | | Mon May 21 1990 17:05 | 9 |
| In the Celtic note I had entered a possible trasde scenario for
the Celtics, and I thought I'd let a few of my 100 closest friends
give their opinion.
Trade McHale to Dallas for their #1 and Randy White. The Tarpley
situation, the possible loss of Perkins, and the immobile donaldson
might make the Mavs interested in this trade. What do y'all think?
Please no Celt bashing, just solid opinions.
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| 8.1695 | Ah, another ex ABAer bites the dust. Down to just one. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Mon May 21 1990 17:05 | 0 |
| 8.1696 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Mon May 21 1990 17:12 | 13 |
| >> Trade McHale to Dallas for their #1 and Randy White. The Tarpley
>> situation, the possible loss of Perkins, and the immobile donaldson
>> might make the Mavs interested in this trade. What do y'all think?
It's a fundamentally sound idea but it requires some not-so-pretty concessions
by the Celtics. There's little doubt that Randy White has the tools to be a
very talented power forward but he's a year away. If the Celtics give up
McHale, they will in effect be without a power forward and will be giving up
and admitting that they are building for the future. If they're willing to do
that, it's a good trade. But I get the feeling that they are going to try and
win with what they've got until Bird retires and then rebuild the team.
j.
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| 8.1697 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Ed knows broccoli. NO! | Mon May 21 1990 17:16 | 20 |
| Jeff,
I was thinking the same thang about ol' Caldwell. Always liked
ol' Caldwell, and I can be proud to know that I saw him hit a 3-pointer
this year vs. the Sonics.
The Jones family looses another one. Done to 1 now also, right?
JD
Re: The trade.
Interesting. But I don't think the C's are ready to do it. They'll
try to get a guard and try to win one more with teh all-geezer lineup.
Who will Sam Perkins go to if he doesn't end up with Dallas?
The Knicks? the Lakers?
JD
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| 8.1698 | Perkins and Lakers? Not a very good fit | DOCTP::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Mon May 21 1990 17:31 | 14 |
| I've heard Perkins name mentioned in regard to the Lakers, but I
can't see how he would really help the team. He's a '6"10 forward
with a decent shot who rebounds a little. He seems to be another
A.C. Green, nothing more. I've also never been overly impressed
with his enthusiasm on the court.
The two areas where the Lakers need to improve are at center and
off guard. Perkins really doesn't fill either of those holes. He's
a high-priced forward on a team that already has Worthy, Green, and
Orlando Woolridge. The only thing I could think of is that they
might possibly split his time between backup center and power forward.
Laker_Ken
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| 8.1699 | | FSHQA1::JRODOPOULOS | | Mon May 21 1990 17:46 | 3 |
| Rumor has it that Perkins might end up in NY thereby giving the
Knicks the opportunity to trade Oakley for a guard or to up in the
draft.
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| 8.1700 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Tyler & Melody my kind of Angels | Mon May 21 1990 17:50 | 11 |
|
While the trade isn't a bad one, like Jeff say it leaves them very vunerable
at power forward. Mchale is still pretty dam effective as a power forward.
The only real solution and the one they won't take is to trade Bird. He
would be able to bring them all the backcourt help they need and Reggie
could slide into the small forward spot where he's more effective. Granted
he isn't the rebounder or passer that Bird is but he's certainly a scorer
who probably would rebound better from the posistion. It would also help
the team defensively....
mike
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| 8.1701 | another reason | CNTROL::CHILDS | Tyler & Melody my kind of Angels | Mon May 21 1990 17:54 | 4 |
|
Also trading Bird would free up tons of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$4....
mike
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| 8.1702 | Trade = All to Celtics' benefit | SHALOT::HUNT | Heartbreak Motor Oil and Bombay Gin | Mon May 21 1990 18:00 | 18 |
| I think Dallas would be completely nuts to give up their first
round pick plus Randy White for Kevin McHale. That's a steal for
the Celtics. McHale gets older with each game and there's
reasonable doubt that he could flourish outside the Celtics'
offensive style.
Dallas has achieved a lot in their relatively brief tenure by
sticking to a basic model of using young and very talented
"project" players. Trading one of those "projects" plus a draft
pick for an aging vet would be very silly. As in suicidal.
Regarding Perkins, you can expect the Hornets to come after him
with an open checkbook. Both the Hornets and the Heat have had
their salary cap levels boosted as part of the expansion agreement
of 2 years ago.. So George Shinn has got some fresh new money to
spend. Sam Perkins, an ex-Tar Heel, would be warmly welcomed.
Bob Hunt
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| 8.1703 | | FSHQA1::JRODOPOULOS | | Mon May 21 1990 18:19 | 10 |
| One has to keep in mind that the Dallas team is not getting any
younger either. Rolando has hit 30, Donaldson is also over 30,
Brad Davis is 34 (?), Williams is 30, Harper is 28-29, so McHalewill
fit right in. The team that the Mavs now have will never win anything
becuase they don't have the forward that will create his own offence
since Aguirre left. Tarpley is never has mediocre games, he's either
great or he stinks and can not the team's cornerstone.
If McHale will give them 2-3 years Dallas might be able to win the
"must win games", and thus contend for all the marbles.
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| 8.1704 | | FSHQA1::JRODOPOULOS | | Mon May 21 1990 18:21 | 2 |
| My grammer in the last note was terrible, I was trying to answer
the phone and write at the same time. Sorry.
|
| 8.1705 | yeah, that's the ticket... | PNO::WEDDLE | | Mon May 21 1990 18:23 | 9 |
| <<< Note 8.1700 by CNTROL::CHILDS "Tyler & Melody my kind of Angels" >>>
> While the trade isn't a bad one, like Jeff say it leaves them very vunerable
> at power forward. Mchale is still pretty dam effective as a power forward.
> The only real solution and the one they won't take is to trade Bird. He
> would be able to bring them all the backcourt help they need and Reggie
> could slide into the small forward spot where he's more effective.
Hmmm...Bird to the Lakers for Worthy? Wouldn't it be great to see Magic
and Larry play a couple of years together. Nah!
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| 8.1706 | Caldwell's got another 4 years in him ! | FRSBEE::BROOKS | Welcome to Men On Art ! :-) | Mon May 21 1990 18:33 | 19 |
| re .1695
Don't worry Jeff .... Caldwell, like Freddy Kruger and Jason shall
return ... :-) I'd liek to see him get an NBA ring.
Trivia Question for y'all :
True or False : Caldwell was a 20ppg scorer in the ABA.
What ABA team did Caldwell play for ?
Who was his first pro coach ?
(Walt Ashe is exempt from this quiz ....)
HINT : I sort of grew up with Caldwell ....
DrM
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| 8.1707 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Tyler & Melody my kind of Angels | Mon May 21 1990 18:34 | 15 |
|
>Hmmm...Bird to the Lakers for Worthy? Wouldn't it be great to see Magic
>and Larry play a couple of years together. Nah!
If the Celtics only got Worthy for Bird the Lakers would be screwing the
Celtics as bad as the Celtics screwed the Warriors when they got McHale
and Parrish ;^).......
Bob, Mchale is still close to automatic down low especially more so if he
played with Dallas who have a better perimeter game than the Celts. He also
made second team all defense quite an accomplishment for someone so old, who
must cover small forwards 90% of the time because of Larry's less than stellar
defensive efforts.......
mike
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| 8.1708 | maybe not Hornets for Sam | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Mon May 21 1990 18:45 | 13 |
| re: Perkins to Hornets.
The party line for the Hornets was written, it seems, to explicitly
eliminate Perkins from consideration. First of all, they expressed their
needs as (1) Center, (2) Point Guard, (3) Impact Player at any position
(sounds like everyone else's, almost). Secondly, they have said that
they're not going to pay any one player a huge chunk of the cap. This
seems to imply that they won't bid what it will take to get Sam.
But, you gotta remember that this guy is a True-Baby-Blue (tm) Tar Heel
that would be a fan favorite from jump.
TTom
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| 8.1709 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Mon May 21 1990 19:15 | 15 |
| >> True or False : Caldwell was a 20ppg scorer in the ABA.
I strongly doubt it but if he did, he would have done it in his first season or
two. I seem to recall a stat that he hadn't averaged in double figures in 15
years, implying that he did it around 1974-1975. But I'm too young to
remember that.
>> What ABA team did Caldwell play for ?
San Diego. Then he got traded all around the league in his final season, first
to Kentucky and then I don't remember.
>> Who was his first pro coach ?
You?
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| 8.1710 | | REFINE::ASHE | I gotta be me... | Mon May 21 1990 19:32 | 2 |
| Hey, wait, he played for more than one team... I got cards to prove
it..
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| 8.1711 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | Sixers=Atlantic Div Champs | Mon May 21 1990 19:51 | 5 |
| Caldwell's first coach in the ABA was the greatest player in the
history of the NBA...... Wilt!!
Dennis
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| 8.1712 | who became the Baltimore Claw... | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Mon May 21 1990 20:04 | 4 |
| If Wilt was his coach, then his first team was the San Diego
Conquistadors.
Dan
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| 8.1713 | San Diego, Kentucky, and St. Louis. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Tue May 22 1990 01:28 | 0 |
| 8.1714 | Portland 100, Phoenix 98 | CSC32::A_PARRACO | Moving to Montana soon .... | Tue May 22 1990 10:32 | 8 |
| The Suns went down in Portland last evening, 100 to 98, the winning
basket coming from Kevin Duckworth ........
The TB's squashed the KJ Gnat inside all night, it was a joy to see !
Game 2, Panic in Detroit, tonight !
- The Doctor
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| 8.1715 | Magic is MVP | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Tue May 22 1990 11:32 | 5 |
| Magic will be named MVP today. It's his third overall, joining Wilt, Bill
Russell, Kareem and Larry Bird. He's the first guard to win 3 and the
first guard to win back-to-back MVPs.
TTom
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| 8.1716 | who's he marrying? anyone ever see her? | CNTROL::CHILDS | LB bets EJ 1k he'll miss the putt | Tue May 22 1990 11:37 | 8 |
|
Why? While I can see where he's deserving, I gotta feel there are others
more deserving, especially when the other folks play defense. More and
more these awards become popularity contests.....
oh well atleast he'll have plenty of time to polish it... ;^)
mike
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| 8.1717 | | FRSBEE::BROOKS | Welcome to Men On Art ! :-) | Tue May 22 1990 11:39 | 28 |
| Answers :
1) True. People seem to think that Caldwell was utterly inept
offensively. Not true. His rookie (or sophomore year) he averaged
near 20ppg (Walt "Hendry" Ashe has the cards, so he can confirm at
his leisure :-). He had a nice shot out to about 17 ft.
When he went to Philly, he joined DrJ, MacGinnis, Collins, Free,
et al, so he concentrated on defense (wasn't he all-Defense a couple
of times ?) and boards. But I can remember when Philly would turn
him loose like a secret weapon to score soem big baskets. One game
in particluar was a playoff game vs. Boston (1981 ?). The Sixers
needed a win at home, and all of a sudden, Caldwell was hitting
jumpers from the top of the key, a post move here and there, and
when the smoke cleared, he had around 20 points, the Sixers had
a win. Blew everyone's mind. :-)
2.) His first team was the San Diego Conquistadors (better know
the home fans as the Q's) of the ABA.
3.) Congrats Dennis ! His first coach was indeed Wilt Chamberlain.
Wilt has retired a year earlier from the Lakers, but technically
ws still under contact. So when he went to the Q's as a player-coach,
the Lakers took him to court. It was ruled that he couldn't play,
but could coach. And the Q's made the playoffs that year. But the
next year, they went under. (San Diego never could support basketball.)
Doc
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| 8.1718 | Still waiting, Dock...... | SASE::SZABO | | Tue May 22 1990 11:52 | 4 |
| 8.1719 | always comes back to boston | CNTROL::CHILDS | LB bets EJ 1k he'll miss the putt | Tue May 22 1990 11:55 | 10 |
|
Geez Doc, do you ever remember anyone anyone having a big game against
anybody else but the Celtics? ;^)
Then again I suppose we should take it as a compliment (we of the Jihad)
after all it means Boston had to be in a ton of big games.....
have a good one
mike
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| 8.1720 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Bosco puts whee in your Knee... | Tue May 22 1990 13:20 | 35 |
| Mike,
C'mon, don't ya think the MVP is usually a popularity contest?
Don't ya think Larry's 3 were in part to popularity? I'd rather
it had gone to Barkley, but Magic is certainly deserving. No matter
who wins, someone is going to get urinated off. Larry won it 3
times without ever playing defense - yet that's a bone of contention
with Magic winning it.
re: Last night's game.
Duckworth, with broken hand, outscored West, and didn't allow West
to push folks around. West, as I predicted, will slink back to
the space taker-upper that he is. Tommy Gun clanged quite a few
off the front rim in the first half. Petrovic provided a great
spark in the first half. Lots of folks are giving the Suns teh
edge on the bench because they have Marjele and EJ. This series
will make folks remember that teh Blazers go 9 deep, and maybe the
guys aren't household names, but get the job done. I order for
the Suns to win this series, their 2-man bench has to outscore the
Blazers bench by at least 10. Lasted night they scored 20 to the
Blazers 19. Win Blazers. Why? Because all 5 of Portland's scores
will score in double digits, and at least 3 will score near 20.
Rambis and West will combine, if lucky, for about 20 points a game
vs. the Blazers.
The Suns had the Blazers at their most vunerable last night - a
team coming off a tough, grueling series, a tired team with a center
playing with a broken shooting hand. They failed to capitalize.
Isn't it amazing how Tommy Gun can play 41 minutes as a forward
and not get one foul called against him....
JD
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| 8.1721 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Tue May 22 1990 13:23 | 4 |
| Young, Bryant, Petrovic, Robinson, Cooper... I count a team
that goes 10 deep, JD!
sean
|
| 8.1722 | figured it'd be you ;^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | LB bets EJ 1k he'll miss the putt | Tue May 22 1990 13:35 | 18 |
|
JD, Bird didn't deserve his third but got it anyways because his team
had a great year. Also when Bird won em' there certainly was less
top notch competition for the award. I put the statement about the
defense in there to show the difference between Magic and Michael or
Charles, Akeem, Patrick. I knew someone would throw the Bird no defense
at me. Back then though Larry was much more effective defensively because
his one on one defense wasn't tested because Maxwel or Mchale would cover
the opposistion toughest scoring player and other coaches didn't realize
that Bird's defense could make stars out of the Greg Kite's of the world.
He was feared defensively for his savy.
I just can't see how anybody but Michael can win. Everyone says the Bulls
would be SLOF without him, he plays the whole floor and improves his
weakness every year. This year I favored Charles for sentimental reasons
plus he did have a monster of a year.......
mike
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| 8.1723 | Greg Kites' of the world | CNTROL::CHILDS | LB bets EJ 1k he'll miss the putt | Tue May 22 1990 13:37 | 5 |
|
Just reread my last reply and I see I owe a fine to apostrophe police
where do I send it John?
;^)
|
| 8.1724 | Maybe it was just one bad game by both teams... | BUILD::MORGAN | | Tue May 22 1990 13:38 | 8 |
| How'd Detroit do against these two teams? Anyone have the records? I
saw only a part of last night's game (second half of 3rd quarter).
Sloppy to say the least. EJ didn't hit any of the 5 shots I saw him
take, KJ threw up one ridiculous shot. Totally out of control. And
not that it's not within the norm, but the walking that wasn't being
called would make a college b-ball fan sick.
Steve
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| 8.1725 | Magic as MVP | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | I will not instigate revolution. | Tue May 22 1990 13:40 | 4 |
| Overwhelmingly best point guard in the league and also one of the best
low post options. Certainly no complaints from me.
Dan
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| 8.1726 | Clearly, Dan, we expected no complaints from you! :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Tue May 22 1990 13:55 | 1 |
|
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| 8.1727 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Tue May 22 1990 13:55 | 6 |
| There's no sense in getting upset about these awards because they
are to a certain extent popularity contests and they're not at all
well-defined. Relax, don't worry, it'll help you avoid ulcers.
It's like All-Star games and Halls of Fame.
John
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| 8.1728 | 8^) | CAM::WAY | Something bitchin' this way comes... | Tue May 22 1990 14:57 | 7 |
| JD,
Charles Barkley was named MVP. Boxing World Magazine name him
Most Valuable Pugilist in the NBA...
Hope this helps,
Chainsaw
|
| 8.1729 | | FSHQA1::JRODOPOULOS | | Tue May 22 1990 15:00 | 8 |
| Why does the NBA coach of the year and player of the year watch
the rest of the teams compete for the championship ? If Riley is
such a good coach why was he outcoached by Cotton, and if Magic
was the BEST player in the NBA this year why could he not carry
his team the way Jordan, or KJ (debateable) carry their teams ?
The voting is a sham, to have the two top individual awards
go to the Lakers when they are out of the playoffs proves it.
|
| 8.1730 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Tue May 22 1990 15:04 | 3 |
| COY and MVP are based solely on regular season performance.
sean
|
| 8.1731 | Jordan Jordan Jordan | UPWARD::WEDDLE | | Tue May 22 1990 15:10 | 14 |
| re: MVP
By ANY definition, Michael Jordan is the MVP of the NBA.
re: Suns vs. Blazers
Lousy game. Both teams stunk at different times. That was one the Suns should
have gone ahead and won. KJ looked like he was fouled on his drive with 30
seconds or so. No complaints. Goes both ways. I was surprised they went
to Eddie. He was in a fog all game. Playing like that, it's difficult for
the Suns to win. Key to the next game - KJ and Hornacek have to take it to
the hoop.
Jim
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| 8.1732 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Tue May 22 1990 15:13 | 6 |
| FWIW, I felt that the Suns-Blazers game was by far the WORST
refereed game of the playoffs. So many stupid, wrong, DUMB calls.
For example, the backcourt violation call against Portland was a
gem. Phoenix also had it's share of bogus reffing.
sean
|
| 8.1733 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Bosco puts whee in your Knee... | Tue May 22 1990 15:36 | 16 |
| re .1729
That's just the attitude that makes these awards a total sham.
WHY of WHY does the Coach of year or Player of the Year or MVP or
whatever HAVE to come from teh BEST team? Usually the Coach is
victimized by having a good time - argueably Riley was the best
coach of the 80's (so named by his peers), but never won a COY.
And why do people think the MVP has to go to a guy playing for a
team for the champeenship. I always thought it was Most Valuable
Player in the League, not MVP on a team with a great record that
is in the finals and probably wins it all award.
JD
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| 8.1734 | | LUNER::BROOKS | Welcome to Men On Art ! :-) | Tue May 22 1990 15:58 | 2 |
| I like Magic, but my MVP vote went to Sir Charles first, then maybe
Micheal, Akeem or Patrick ...
|
| 8.1735 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue May 22 1990 17:07 | 3 |
|
Dennis Johnson, "If Karl Malone played in New York, he would have won
the MVP award going away."
|
| 8.1736 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Bosco puts whee in your Knee... | Tue May 22 1990 18:37 | 9 |
| Hoot,
I agree wif ya. In fack (tm), why don't the Jazz just do ol' Karl
a big favor and ship him to da Knicks. We'll send ya a couple of
players and some cash. Ya, that's the ticket. ;-)
JD
|
| 8.1737 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | QUIET!! | Tue May 22 1990 22:34 | 10 |
| re last two:
JD and Hoot agreeing with something a Celtic says. Frame those
notes, boys and girls, you won't see anything like that for a long,
long time.
Bruce
|
| 8.1738 | Doug Moe on NBC ? | RSST6::RIGGEN | Burley from biking | Wed May 23 1990 14:52 | 6 |
| Doug Moe (Nugget's Coach) interviewed for a color job with NBC yesterday.
This guy IMO could be the John Madden of Basketball there isn't a player
in the NBA that he can't pick apart for sloppy play.
Jeff
|
| 8.1739 | | CAM::WAY | Something bitchin' this way comes... | Wed May 23 1990 15:17 | 12 |
| Hell, the way the NBA is played these days, they probably could
use John Madden!!!! 8^)
I can hear Doug Moe now:
Here's Isaih driving for the layup, and whap, look at
Laimbeer clear out the linebacker, er, opposing center.
Boom, there's Jordan with the rebound....
'Saw
|
| 8.1740 | | FSHQA1::JRODOPOULOS | | Wed May 23 1990 15:24 | 4 |
| Many notes back I had asked your opinions about McHale being traded
to Dallas for a #1 and Randy White. I have gotten word that the
Dallas papers are also pushing for the trade (no joke). Is there
someone in here moonlighting as a Dallas sportswriter ?
|
| 8.1741 | Sir Charles more #1 votes, Magic more points | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Wed May 23 1990 17:00 | 4 |
| Interesting tidbit on the MVP voting: Charles Barkley received more
first place votes than Magic Johnson, yet finished 10 points behind
Magic. This was the closest ballot since Dr.J won it over Larry Bird
in 1981.
|
| 8.1742 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | You should wear more sweaters | Wed May 23 1990 17:06 | 7 |
| Big Mac,
He got *11* more first place votes! 38-27. that means an aweful
lot of the 92 *most knowledgeable* hoop writers in the nation placed
Sir Charles way down on their ballots.
JD
|
| 8.1743 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | Sixers=Atlantic Div Champs | Wed May 23 1990 17:31 | 6 |
|
Not only that, But several voters didn't even have charles on their
ballot. I understand that Jordan was left out on a few as well.
Dennis
|
| 8.1744 | | LEVERS::STROUT | no hero in your tragedy... | Wed May 23 1990 17:34 | 4 |
| MVP is more of a lifetime achievement award than an honor for
a single season.
sean
|
| 8.1745 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | LB bets EJ 1k he'll miss the putt | Wed May 23 1990 17:47 | 15 |
|
> MVP is more of a lifetime achievement award than an honor for
> a single season.
No it isn't Sean cause if it was that Abduel Jab-her would have won it the
last five years....
The voting proves the popularity aspects of the voting....
For Charles to not even be on a ballot is total BS and bias against the
man. Hell I hate the Lakers but I still vote for Magic. Probably 4th
behind Charles, Michael and Akeem.........
mike
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| 8.1746 | Sir Charles to go under the knife | GRANPA::DFAUST | Sixers=Atlantic Div Champs | Wed May 23 1990 22:13 | 20 |
|
The Philadelphia 76ers announced today that Charles Barkley has several
floating bone chips in his shoulder and will undergo arthroscopic
surgery in the near future.
I heard Charles on the radio on the way home tonight and he said that
it had been bothering him for about the last two months, getting
progressively worse and worse. He said that for the last two games of
the Bulls series he could barely raise his right arm above his head,
and was most bothersome when he was shooting freethrows.
He also said that he didn't care about finishing second in the MVP
voting because it's just a popularity contest and the voters are all
assholes (which WIP radio didn't bleep out). He called the fans that
just show up to boo him assholes as well.
Well... at least you know what he thinks.
Dennis
|
| 8.1747 | Memories of the 76-77 Blazers | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Tue May 29 1990 13:52 | 35 |
| The success of the Portland Trailblazers in this year's playoffs has
brought back memories of the Blazer's championship team of 1976-77
which won a memorable final series 4-2 over Philadelphia.
That was the only time Portland ever made it to the finals. They looked
hopelessly outclassed by Philly in the first two games at the Spectrum.
I think game 2 featured a donnybrook involving a 20 year old rookie
name Darryl Dawkins and Maurice Lucas.
Then Portland evened things at home,before stunning Philly in game 5 at
the Spectrum. Game 6 was a classic with Doctor J putting on a show,but
Portland won by a point. The 70's featured a number of Western
teams(Golden State,Seattle and Portland) that seemed to come out of
nowhere for a couple of years,keynoting their playoff triumph by
beating the pre-magic Lakers. Remember all the ragging on Jabbar.
4/5 of Portland's team was easy to remember. Walton at center,Lucas and
Bob Gross at the forwards and Lionell Hollins at guard. But who was the
other guard?
It was ex-ABAer Dave Twardzik with Herm Giliam providing big minutes as
the first sub. I don't remeber anything else about their bench.
Philly was an awesome looking team on paper. Dr J and George McGinniss
at the forwards, Caldwell Jones at center and Doug Collins at one
guard. Who was the other guard? I thought Lloyd (not yet World B)
Free,but didn't he come off the bench? I'm sure Bob Hunt will know the
other 76er guard.
Could those teams compete today? At 6'10 Lucas was one of the first
80's type power forward,almost a converted center.,Gross at 6'6 could
really run the break. Philly seemed a little small. Would Dr J be a
guard today ? I think the Celtics and Lakers redefined basketball for
the 80's. Twin towers and tall guards seem to be the rule in the NBA
now.
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| 8.1748 | The memories are fadin' ... | SHALOT::HUNT | Heartbreak Motor Oil and Bombay Gin | Tue May 29 1990 14:26 | 11 |
| All I can recall about the 1976-1977 Philadelphia 76ers lineup is ...
Centers Caldwell Jones, Darryl Dawkins
Forwards George McGinnis, Julius Erving, Steve Mix
Guards Doug Collins, Lloyd Free
This was before Bobby Jones, Andrew Toney, Mo Cheeks, and Moses Malone.
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.1749 | | LUNER::BROOKS | That gets the Zorro snap ! | Tue May 29 1990 14:29 | 5 |
| re .1747
The other guard was Henry Bibby. The bench had "Jellybean" Joe Bryant,
Dawkins, Free, and Steve Mix (?) ... the 77-79 Sixers never had
enough balls for everybody ...
|
| 8.1750 | A true immortal .... :-) | LUNER::BROOKS | That gets the Zorro snap ! | Tue May 29 1990 14:30 | 1 |
| Oh yeah ... how could I forget C-F Havery Catchings ?
|
| 8.1751 | | CSC32::GL_JOHNSON | Know new taxes! | Tue May 29 1990 14:48 | 5 |
|
I think the coach of that team was Gene Shue.
Glen J.
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| 8.1752 | Doc shoulda stayed a Net! | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Say, who's the barber here? | Tue May 29 1990 14:54 | 18 |
| >4/5 of Portland's team was easy to remember. Walton at center,Lucas and
>Bob Gross at the forwards and Lionell Hollins at guard. But who was the
>other guard?
You answered Twardzik, but as I recall, Larry Steele got major minutes
over there. He had a marine-style buzzcut, and was very aggressive on
both ends of the court. Reminds me of Dan Majerle today.
As for wondering if such a team could compete today, I'd say it would
be difficult, considering the burst of athletic refinement that has
gone on, but not impossible. I liken that Portland team to the '70
Knicks. Both teams functioned like well-oiled machines in executing
perfect teamwork. Makeable open jumpers and layups were the common
result of such excellently coached offenses. You almost never saw
either team beat anyone off the dribble, yet they were constantly
getting excellent shooting opportunities.
Dan
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| 8.1753 | The men in Green... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Bruins,Dodgers,Lakers,Donks,Vikes | Tue May 29 1990 15:06 | 22 |
| <<< Note 8.1752 by WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER "Say, who's the barber here?" >>>
-< Doc shoulda stayed a Net! >-
> As for wondering if such a team could compete today, I'd say it would
> be difficult, considering the burst of athletic refinement that has
> gone on, but not impossible. I liken that Portland team to the '70
> Knicks. Both teams functioned like well-oiled machines in executing
> perfect teamwork. Makeable open jumpers and layups were the common
> result of such excellently coached offenses. You almost never saw
> either team beat anyone off the dribble, yet they were constantly
> getting excellent shooting opportunities.
Dan
Geez Dan no mention of the Celtics as a fine tuned machine? Oh I
get it you're concentrating on teams that were one year wonders not a
DYNASTY!!!!!!!!
;^)
mike
|
| 8.1754 | men in green take a back seat | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Say, who's the barber here? | Tue May 29 1990 15:18 | 6 |
| Mike, I'm not old enough to have watched the Celtics when they were
enjoying their dynasty. From what I know, they had an overwhelming
talent advantage and the great D and competitiveness of Russell, not
the superior precision of those Knicks and Blazers.
Dan
|
| 8.1755 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Vikings,Broncos,Duke,Bruins | Tue May 29 1990 15:19 | 6 |
| Was Geoff Petri on the Blazers back then???
Mike: The Celts glory days are ancient history, sort of like the
Yankees! ;-))
JD
|
| 8.1756 | Seaatle supplanted Portland | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Tue May 29 1990 15:26 | 14 |
| RE: 1976-77
I think one of the factors that made that season so exciting to me was
that it was the first year that the ABA was incoproated into the NBA.
I'm pretty certain that Petrie was gone by then. I can't remember any
front-court subs on Portland. They really were a 1-year wonder,weren't
they?
I think they had an excellent regular season in 1977-8 but Walton got
hurt late in the season and I think Seattle beat them. One of the stars
of that team was a rookie from Pepperdine.
Is that the same Dennis Johnson?
|
| 8.1757 | JD, it's been a tough decade. Let Mike dream... | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Say, who's the barber here? | Tue May 29 1990 15:47 | 12 |
| >I can't remember any
>front-court subs on Portland. They really were a 1-year wonder,weren't
>they?
No, I'm pretty sure that the previous year was very successful, as the
expansion franchise got over Larue Martin (Who? First pick in the
draft, that's who.) and began to come of age. I know that the year
after they won it all, they started the year off with the amazing
record of 50-9. Then, Walton hurt his foot, and it was all down hill
from there.
Dan
|
| 8.1758 | Talk about a tough western road trip | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Tue May 29 1990 15:52 | 2 |
| The NBA has scheduled a couple of regular season games to be played in
Japan next year.
|
| 8.1759 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Tue May 29 1990 15:56 | 7 |
| Utah and Phoenix will play their first two games in Japan next year.
Re: A few back
That is the very same Dennis Johnson.
John
|
| 8.1760 | giantmania money this week please... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Bruins,Dodgers,Lakers,Donks,Vikes | Tue May 29 1990 15:58 | 6 |
|
Dan, You're higher Deity will get you for that. ;^0
Remember I've partied with you and I know you're old enough to remember...
We got three titles in the last decade it wasn't all that bad....
mike
|
| 8.1761 | The dynasty lived in LA | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Say, who's the barber here? | Tue May 29 1990 16:32 | 10 |
| >Remember I've partied with you and I know you're old enough to remember...
Really. Never saw the Russell-led Celtics play.
>We got three titles in the last decade it wasn't all that bad....
yeah, but it's no dynasty when there's another team doing better, is
it? Maybe /Don has a snappy answer for that one.
Dan
|
| 8.1762 | The new /Don Snappy Answers Workout! :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Tue May 29 1990 16:35 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1763 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Tue May 29 1990 16:39 | 5 |
| Any Portland fan (or basketball fan) should read _Breaks of the Game_ by David
Halberstam chronicling the Blazers and the rise of basketball in general. It's
definitely the best sports book I've ever read.
j.
|
| 8.1764 | | FAIRWY::KINGR | Hospital called, your brain is ready!!!! | Tue May 29 1990 17:18 | 4 |
| Didn't Lamp Guard out of Virginia play with both the Celts and the
lakers?
REK
|
| 8.1765 | FYI | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Tue May 29 1990 18:16 | 7 |
| Geoff Petri is now a VP in the Blazers front office, as well as the
color man on local radio broadcasts.
Dick Van Arsdale (who played against him) has interviewed him twice
during this series.
Mike
|
| 8.1766 | Lamp | SHALOT::HUNT | Heartbreak Motor Oil and Bombay Gin | Tue May 29 1990 20:17 | 8 |
| Jeff Lamp did *not* play for the Boston Celtics.
He was drafted by Portland, then later played for Milwaukee and the Los
Angeles Lakers.
I think he's playing in Italy.
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.1767 | | FAIRWY::KINGR | Hospital called, your brain is ready!!!! | Wed May 30 1990 09:55 | 3 |
| Rick Carlisle G out of Virginia? did he play for La and Bos?
REK
|
| 8.1768 | results | MAMIE::WENTZELL | NI,PANG,NEEE-WOMM | Wed May 30 1990 10:40 | 3 |
| Portland beat Phoenix last night 120-116. Portland had to fight off a late
rally by Phoenix that tied it before they pulled away. The home teams are
now 9-0 in this round of the playoffs.
|
| 8.1769 | Drexler needs English lessons. :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Wed May 30 1990 10:57 | 11 |
| 8.1770 | Jeff's right Breaks of the game is excellent don't need to be a blazers' fan | CNTROL::CHILDS | JoJ, Arsenio, Dinz, Dock | Wed May 30 1990 10:58 | 0 |
| 8.1771 | | COBRA::DINSMORE | hey uta pippin, me gots a long stocking! | Wed May 30 1990 11:07 | 5 |
|
go bulls..
dinz
|
| 8.1772 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Madonna likes Hanky Spanky | Wed May 30 1990 11:14 | 5 |
| Portland looks tough. Would they have home court over the Pistons?
Both teams won 59 games, but I don't remember how they did head
to head. RE: DanS - Snap this.
/Don
|
| 8.1773 | Men on Art.... | CAM::WAY | Might be your man, I don' know... | Wed May 30 1990 11:17 | 8 |
| I enjoyed the blocks that Michael Jordan made the other day.
While the officiating might not always be good, I did enjoy that game
very much.
And you know what? Bill Laimbeer is a dirty player. 8^)
Chainsaw
|
| 8.1774 | tie-breaker | ODIXIE::GOGGINS | | Wed May 30 1990 11:40 | 9 |
|
RE -2
Portland and Detroit split during the regular season with each winning
on there home court. The next tie breaker is how they fared in their
respective conferences. Since Detroit had the better record in their
conference then the home court advantage goes to the Pistons.
Mag 8^)
|
| 8.1775 | | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Wed May 30 1990 12:47 | 16 |
| The utter futility Portland shows on the road means that the Eastern
Conf. winner will have a huge advantage in the finals, if Portland
makes it.
Yesterday's game was another pathetically officiated game. Drexler's
block that was called a foul. West moving both feet, yet getting a
foul on Portland late in the first half. The weak-ass call on the
desperation shot at the end of the first half. I could go on, but I
think you get the point.
KJ giving the ball to Hornacek for the wild jumper with 5 seconds left
was a mystery to me. KJ is one of the best creators in the league.
Why give it up to a jump shooter with two guys on him? KJ had a one-
on-one situation and should have made something happen.
Pete
|
| 8.1776 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Wed May 30 1990 13:27 | 6 |
| Re: -1
I don't remember KJ having the ball then. I do remember Terry Porter
doing a great job of denial on KJ.
Mike
|
| 8.1777 | | SASE::SZABO | | Wed May 30 1990 13:56 | 11 |
| 8.1778 | | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Wed May 30 1990 14:32 | 8 |
| They didn't show the replay of the foul on the shot, so I wasn't so
sure if it was justified or not. My comment was based more on the
crap they let go. They seem to have a "no blood, no foul" attitude
it the playoffs. If there's going to be any consistency, they have
to let a foul like that go. Either call 'em all, or set a consistent
threshhold.
Pete
|
| 8.1779 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Wed May 30 1990 14:38 | 3 |
| The Suns had the opportunity to put the 'Blazers away in games 1 and 2
in Portland and couldn't do it, why would last night be any different?
Suns choke, or great comeback effort by the home team?
|
| 8.1780 | good game not heimlich material | UPWARD::WEDDLE | | Wed May 30 1990 15:23 | 9 |
| Last nite's game was a great one...home team gets the calls every time. I
don't think the Suns choked but I do think they need to do a better job of
half-court offense at crunch time. KJ should have taken the ball to the
hole but I think their second best option was Hornacek. The key play(s)
were the 3 by Drexler and simultaneous foul by West on Duck and the possession
that the Suns had where they had 2 offense rebounds and 3 shots and came up
empty.
Don't bury the boys yet...they still believe.
|
| 8.1782 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Wed May 30 1990 16:11 | 14 |
| If Phoenix was at home last night, Hornacek's desperation 3 point
attempt would've been whistled too.
The 3 pointer + the free throw was a killer! I never heard of such a
call before last night. I figured only the shooter could go for a 4
point play, just like the 3 point play. I didn't realize that anyone
on the floor could go for the 4th point if fouled during the shot
(which I also questioned, before the shot was more like it).
Does this apply to the 3 point play too? For example, a layup is
scored while a foul occurs away from the ball. Will the fouled offensive
player get a chance at 3 from the line?
Mike
|
| 8.1783 | | RAB::NORI | | Wed May 30 1990 18:08 | 8 |
| re: .1780
I don't think home team got any calls in their favour, as a matter of
fact all the replays CBS showed the call went aganist the Blazers. I
think Chambers gets away with lots of dipping the shoulder stuff. Hey
they even called a delay of game technical on the home team.
-- Ram Nori
|
| 8.1784 | | RAB::NORI | | Wed May 30 1990 18:12 | 5 |
| re: .1782
Hey Mike, complaining about reffing ?
-- Ram Nori
|
| 8.1785 | | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Wed May 30 1990 19:32 | 4 |
| Ram, not really complaining, just wondering about that call. I've
never seen it called before.
Mike
|
| 8.1786 | | SASE::SZABO | | Thu May 31 1990 10:48 | 4 |
| 8.1787 | do it! | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hey, Frank Murray need a friend? | Thu May 31 1990 11:13 | 21 |
|
Pistons beat the Bulls last night to go up 3-2 in the series. Somebody
else will have to give you the score. Some mean fouls in this slugfest.
Aguire and Dumars were the main MEN for the Pistons' offensively. The
Little Princess was a fustrate waif last night and sat out most of the
second half afte he committed his 4th foul by throwing Pippen to the floor
after he had hust 10 seconds earlier picked up his third for charging.
Hats off to Daly for treating him just like any other play on the team
and let him sit and instead of play.
Magic Johnson was a quest analysist man and wasn't bad except that he really
was slow and delieberate. I fhe can speed up his delievery he'll make
a fine analysist.......
Dave Gavitt Please go get Doug Collins and trade Bird!!! I know it sounds
crazy but he'll get us more than anyone else,and Reggie Lewis can play the
posistion. If you trade McHale who's going to play power forward? Bird is
more easily replaceable and besides if they get rid of the 7 million dollar
contract, they can sign some good unrestricked players.......
mike
|
| 8.1788 | | SASE::SZABO | | Thu May 31 1990 11:32 | 8 |
| 8.1789 | repeat | BUILD::MORGAN | | Thu May 31 1990 11:54 | 14 |
| Isiah has easily become one of the dirtiest players in the league. I
couldn't believe what a bush move that was throwing Pippen to the
floor. The guy must have some kind of problem.
Speaking of Pippen, he should probably keep his head up the rest of
this series. I couldn't help but smile when he collared Laimbeer, but
you know someone will come after him before things are over.
Re: Gavitt
As someone mentioned in this file a few weeks ago, why not give Valvano
a look?
Steve
|
| 8.1790 | Home cooking statistics | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Thu May 31 1990 12:28 | 19 |
| Current trivia:1) How many NBA teams haven't lost a home playoff game
this year?
What team has the best road percentage?
(5) Portland 9-0,Detroit 8-0, Chicago 7-0,San Antonio 5-0,Cleveland 2-0
Utah .500 1-1. Among the teams still left:
Phoenix .444 4-5
Detroit .400 2-3
Chicago .333 2-4
Portland .167 1-5
Teams that didn't win a road game:
Indiana,Milwaukee,Boston,Cleveland,Philadelphia,Houston,Denver,Dallas
Teams with losing home records: Indiana,Utah,Dallas,Denver
|
| 8.1791 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Passes everthing but a gas station | Thu May 31 1990 12:53 | 12 |
| Well, the Bulls showed their stuff again - if Micheal doesn't score
40, the rest of the imposters caint pick up the slack. Look for
Isiah to have a big game, he usually does after a woeful performance.
Joe Dumars reminds me of DJ. Think about it. DJ was playoff MVP,
Dumars was. Both are defensive stalwarts, DJ has been known (and
rightly so, IMO) as a clutch performer, Dumars is starting to gain
that rep. He's been the main man this series for the Pistons.
Scottie Pippen was 5-20 from the field. CLANG!
JD
|
| 8.1792 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Thu May 31 1990 13:16 | 14 |
| >> It's sad when some people can ONLY relate to the negative aspects of
>> a game.......
I couldn't agree more. From reading these notes you'd think we've got a bunch
of thugs who are more interested in cheating and hurting each other than
winning. You'd never know that we've got two of the most exciting seminfinal
series going on that I can remember. Portland and Phoenix are perfectly
matched and have turned in some classic basketball games. And the
Detroit/Chicago series pits the best (and most adaptive) defensive team
against the league's best (and most adaptive) offensive threat. It's a shame
that alot of noters are just looking for things to complain about and are
missing some classic basketball.
j.
|
| 8.1793 | I agree with you agreeing with me..... :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Thu May 31 1990 13:19 | 5 |
| 8.1794 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | | Thu May 31 1990 13:21 | 0 |
| 8.1795 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|'s | Thu May 31 1990 13:30 | 4 |
| 8.1796 | DJ Clang - sounds like a guy with a rap album | EARRTH::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Thu May 31 1990 13:44 | 1 |
| JD, Dumars is by far the superior offensive player.
|
| 8.1797 | I agree, /Don. I disagree, Dock. | SASE::SZABO | | Thu May 31 1990 13:57 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1798 | | CAM::WAY | It was a stanky thang | Thu May 31 1990 14:04 | 4 |
| I agree with the agreement, but I also agree that it does sound
like a Rap group.
Just so you all know who I'm agreeing with....
|
| 8.1799 | Agreeing with Frood, Chainsaw? :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Thu May 31 1990 14:09 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1800 | | GOLF::KINGR | Hospital called, your brain is ready!!!! | Thu May 31 1990 14:58 | 6 |
| Number 1800!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REK
DId any check on the question if there has been a NBA player with both
Tragic and Bird?
|
| 8.1801 | | CAM::WAY | It was a stanky thang | Thu May 31 1990 15:25 | 3 |
| re .1799
I knew that. Don't think I didn't know that. I knew that.
|
| 8.1802 | And I almost always defend piasanos! | 4159::NAZZARO | We're the Dead Beat Club | Thu May 31 1990 16:53 | 4 |
| Valvano would have trouble succeeding in the pros as opposed to
college since it's so much harder for NBA coaches to cheat. ;-)
NAZZ
|
| 8.1804 | He is a showman... | BUILD::MORGAN | | Fri Jun 01 1990 13:45 | 7 |
| That's exactly why he could make the step up a bit easier than most,
Nazz! He's already been coaching professional athletes for years.
But, it doesn't even look as though he's a candidate at this time.
Anyone from the ACC know what his plans are now that he's through
coaching NC State?
Steve
|
| 8.1805 | | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Fri Jun 01 1990 13:58 | 17 |
| What's going on? Is today a holiday? No discussion of last night's
game in this note?
Well, I'll start. Another hearbreaker for Phoenix last night. I
think it's clear that if KJ hadn't gotten hurt, there would be a game
7. Suns fans will be lamenting this series for a long, long time.
Hornacek was great. Chambers stunk, especially in the first half and
at the end of the game. Phoenix just didn't have the composure in
crunch time. They all seemed to want somebody else to make the big
play. Portland looked like everybody wanted to make the play them-
selves.
A great series. A little maturity, and this playoff experience should
make the Suns the team to beat in the west next year.
Pete
|
| 8.1806 | Blazers win, Blazers Win, Tommy CLANGS | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Passes everthing but a gas station | Fri Jun 01 1990 13:59 | 55 |
| Well, the Blazers broke their road loss streak with a 112-109 victory
over the Suns in Phoenix. Jerome Kersey, saddled most of the game
with fouls (played only 27 minutes) blocked a Jeff Hornacek shot
in the closing minutes, and scored a layup in the ensuing fast break,
for the winning score. (IMO, Kersey was fouled on the play, no
call, however.)
KJ pulled a hamstring in the second quarter, but the Suns were unable
to keep big leads, they were up by 10 a few times. In all 4 losses,
the Suns showed an inability to execute down the stretch. The
game wouldn't have been close if not for the refs whistle, as the
SUns took 18 more foul shots and scored 14 more from the charity
strip than the Blazers. The Blazers, however, outrebounded the
Suns 53-44, including 20-12 on the offensive glass, and overcame
horrible shooting. I knew the SUns were in trouble inthe first
half, when they were shooting 79% to the Blazers 36%, but were only
up by 3 points.
Tommy CLANG showed that in midseason, he can pour in 60, but in
the important games, he shoots 5-16 and scores 17.
When KJ went down, it was time for Chambers to step forward and
be the leader, instead Dan Marjerle and Jeff Hornacek showed who
really have the big hearts and desire on the SUns. Hornacek was
magnificent, scoring a career playoff high 36 points, including
a perfect 14 for 14 from the line, while Marjele was also perfect
from the line at 6-6. As predicted, Mark West slinked back to
his rightful level, taking up space, getting an occasional rebound,
getting in the way a few times, and providing no offense. Eddie
Johnson didn't provide the spark needed for the Suns, who have to
get some points from him when Rambis and west are combining for
8 points, Chambers is Clanging big tiem, and KJ is sitting. EJ
was only 1 -5 in 14 minutes - not much PT for him.
Drexler and Porter each scored 23 to lead the Blazers, with Each
getting 7 assists, and Drexler hauling in 10 boards (6 offensive).
Buck Williams scored 12 with 11 boards, 3 steals and 2 blocks, whild
Kersey, saddled with fouls, scored 15 with 10 rebounds and 2 steals.
Duckworth hauled down 8 boards and scored 18, with that soft jumper
of his (well, he doesnt really jump), while Petrovic scored 11 offthe
bench and Cliff Robinson scored 6 with 7 rebounds and 3 blocks.
The Suns had a nice season, and Marjele has really started to blossom.
They need some help at power forward (Rambis) and center (West),
as well as perhaps a new shooter off the bench, as EJ, IMO, is
expendable with the develoopment of Marjele. They realy need another
guard in the rotation, as illustrated last night with KJ down.
Hornacek can't be expected to score 30+ points and take over the
team. Of course, I'd advocate geting rid of Tommy CLANG, cause
I don't think they'll ever get over the hump with him playing, he's
like the Forward's version of Jeff Malone.
Go Blazers. Nice season Suns.
JD
|
| 8.1807 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Passes everthing but a gas station | Fri Jun 01 1990 14:13 | 41 |
| Pete,
Im not too sure it would have been an automatic victory if KJ had
played the whole game. I doubt Hornacek would have scored 36 points,
and I felt the team (well, some of the team, Tommmy CLANG and West
didn't show much emotion...) really raised their games a notch when
KJ went out. And, in 3 other close games, with KJ in, the SUns
showed a real lack of willpower and killer instinct. Even last
night, they were shooting the lights out compared to the Blazers,
Porter and Kersey were sitting with foul trouble, and the Suns still
couldn't deliver the knockout punch, with or without KJ. They go
up by 8-12 points, then blam, back to 3-5 points, and on and on.
I had the feeling early in the game that Portland would win - like
half-way through the first period. 7 Blazers had 4 or 5 fouls,
compared to 2 on the SUns. The Suns didn't take advantage. They
had NO inside game, as West showed no emotion this series, Chambers
did his usual disappearing act, and only the guards and Marjele
drove the lane.
I felt all series that Phoenix was satisfied with whipping the Lakers,
and I'll go no further than show of emotion. Use West as the
barometer. He was vocal, he was strutting vs. the Lakers, he looked
asleep and satisfied vs. the Blazers. And he was a BIG key for
the Suns to win this series, since Duckworth is still handicapped
withthe broken finger.
Look at rebounding. Rebounding is a lot of desire, especially
offensive reboundings. Blazers had a 20-12 edge, and Rambis with
6 and Marjerle with 5 had 11 of the Suns bounds, whild Kersey (4),
Buck (3), Duck (5) and Clyde (6) all hit the o-boards with relentless
consistency. Chambers had 5 rebounds, and was invisible on the
offensive glass.
I don't hand the West to the SUns yet. I think they have lots of
holes. Heck, look at Portland, they ahve 6 new players on the roster
this year, and have, IMO, one of the best, if not the best, starting
5 in pro hoops. Kersey, Williams, Duck, Drexler and Porter are
a potent lineup, with Buck Williams being the weakest offensive
player.
JD
|
| 8.1808 | Visiting team finally wins one... | BUILD::MORGAN | | Fri Jun 01 1990 14:23 | 19 |
| Great game! FANtastic season for the Suns, but that had to hurt losing
down the stretch once again, for about the 3rd time this series.
I haven't seen any boxscores on the game, but two of Phoenix' better
free throw shooters (Chambers, EJ) were off when the chips were down.
Majerle put on a show, as did Hornacek.
Duckworth had the soft touch going last night. I've often wondered how
he would have fared this series, without the disadvantage of wearing a
splint/cast on his shooting hand. If Chicago wins tonight, he'll have
a few extra days of recovery. He'll need it, because the
Laimbeer/Salley/Edwards combo is far better than Mark West.
It's REAL nice to see Buck Williams make it to the Finals. Here's
hoping the Blazers go all the way, and get a ring for Buck.
Steve
|
| 8.1809 | V should be a good one. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Jun 01 1990 14:32 | 14 |
| re: .1804 (What are Valvano's plans?)
Jimmy V just signed a contract with ABC. He'll be on their 2nd team
of announcers (Vitale and Keith Jackson are 1st team) and will probably
color alongside Bwent MooseBurgler. (Joe B. Hall is gonzo. Sniff,
sniff.)
Since ABC owns ESPN, Valvano will also be doing ESPN games. ESPN
doesn't have fixed tandems like the networks, so he'll work with a
number of different announcers.
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.1810 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Passes everthing but a gas station | Fri Jun 01 1990 14:33 | 14 |
| Steve,
I share your views on Buck Williams - he had a smile on his face
that was priceless. I'd love to see him get a ring.
Chambers was 7-10 from the FT line, but missed all 3 late in teh
game. Drexler also clanged 2 FT's in the 4th. I thought the Technical
on Petrovic was marginal, but only when compared with all the other
elbows that were thrown last night. It was rough in the middle.
IN the local papers, the BLazers said they were gonna win Game 6,
and not have to play Game 7. They backed it up.
JD
|
| 8.1811 | | SASE::SZABO | | Fri Jun 01 1990 15:18 | 22 |
| 8.1812 | They ain't THAT bad. | DOCTP::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Fri Jun 01 1990 15:19 | 22 |
| JD, I think you're overstating the Suns' weaknesses a bit. As I
see it, their only real weakness is at the power forward spot.
Rambis is one of my all-time favorites, but he's getting a bit
long in the tooth. Sure, they would like to do better at the
center spot, but they could do a lot worse than Mark West. At
least the guy rebounds and plays good defense. In fact, he's
one of the better shot-blocking centers in the league. On a team
with plenty of other scorers, they don't have to get much offense
out of the center spot.
I can't see knocking their guards. They've got three good ones
in K.J., Hornacek, and Majerle. Hell, most teams don't have two
good guards! Take a look at Portland or the Lakers. Both teams
have solid starting backcourts, but look at the third guards. I
don't know about you, but at this stage of the game I'd certainly
take Majerle over Coop. As for Portland, Danny Young is nearly
a complete waste of space. Petrovic has shown some flashes, and
he might really come into his own next season, but he's still making
the transition at this point.
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.1813 | Chambers choked ? Nope .... | FRSBEE::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Fri Jun 01 1990 15:19 | 35 |
| JD, I don't think the Chambers bashing is called for (of course,
being in Seattle, you are biased).
TC defintely looked out of sync from the start, but to his credit,
he didn't force many shots, and looked to pass. I don't think you
gave enough credit to Buck (NBA *1st Team* All-Defense) Williams,
who did a magnificent job on Chambers, especially on his last shot
attempt. TC made a ball-fake, and started to drive, but Buck had
it made all the way, and stripped Chambers, leading to the clinching
free-throws by Drexler.
I agree with the refs assessment, they did everything in their power
to keep the game close. Buck got called for some UNBELIEVEABLE calls.
And Hubie was right, the Blazers should have had Clyde going after
Thunder Dan every trip down the floor.
But a lot of that can also be chalked up to fatigue.
Back to Chambers, bash him all you want - without him, the Suns
wouldn't have gotten to this point. And you are a poorer team without
him. Ask Seattle.
Finally, IMO, the better, more rounded team won. I've nothing against
the Suns, I felt that Portland would be the better team to face
a Detroit (who should win it in 7) in the Finals. They have a superstar
in Drexler who compares favorably to Jordan, a solid bench, the
best backcourt west of Auburn Hills (sorry Lakers), Buck Williams,
and a Duckworth to clog the middle.
Given LA's slump, I believe that Portland is the best the West has
to offer. Congrats and here's oping for an exciting series.
And a tip of the hat to the Suns for their effort.
Doc
|
| 8.1814 | Tommy was a Gun..And he miss-fired... | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Im Bart Simpson,who the hell r u? | Fri Jun 01 1990 15:42 | 9 |
| In the final 2 games Chamers went 10-37. IMO thats a choke. I really
didnt care who won, since I'm a Sixer fan, but he choked. He missed
quite a few open J's, and was nearly non-exsistent on the glass. How
can a guy 6'9" or so NOT get 8-10 rebounds a game in crunch time?
You figure at least 3-5 would drop into his lap without much effort.
Also, I think Drexler had a tough series. But, what the heck, the
Blazers won and the Suns set. Lets go Bulls.
Rich
|
| 8.1815 | | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Fri Jun 01 1990 15:42 | 19 |
| JD, et.al., how can you say that losing KJ made the Suns better? He
had 13 points and 5 assists in the first quarter alone. Obviously,
we can speculate all day on what would have happened had he played
the second half, but I still think the Suns would have won.
On the subject of which team will be better next year, the Suns
had two convincing wins and Portland had 4 squeakers, of which the
Suns arguably should have won 2, maybe 3. I agree that Portland
is a more well-rounded team. They'll both be good next year. Except for
the last few minutes of a few games, the Suns outplayed Portland.
Chambers, although he didn't have a great series, is a good playoff
player. The last season with the Sonics, he was the only person to
show up for the final playoff game against Denver. I was never a big
Chambers fan until that game. X, Ellis and McKey took an early
vacation that game and Chambers was an animal. Letting him go after
that performance was a bonehead move of major proportions.
Pete
|
| 8.1816 | no way | CNTROL::CHILDS | Hey, Frank Murray need a friend? | Fri Jun 01 1990 15:45 | 22 |
|
Cmon Dock, the Bulls aren't out of it yet and to compare Drexler to
Michael is rich. Drexler has no range, is average defensively and as
a ball handler. He does find the open men well and rebound good, I'll give
him that but to compare him favorable to the best player in the league
is reaching if you ask me.
If you ask me the wrong guy get labeled the superstar in Portland cause
without Porter this team would have been home weeks ago. Don't get me wrong
I like their work ethic and with Buck on the team I'll have no problems
rooting for them against the Pistons but should they play the Bulls they
will be the enemy.
I'm glad to have seen them though cause at the begining of the year I
couldn't understand how someone was willing to pay Porter 2.5 million
just by looking at his stats. Now I know why.....
Game two will haunt the Suns this summer which is too bad they accomplished
quite a bit to end up with a rotting taste in their mouths.....
mike
|
| 8.1818 | just to get the guards straight | UPWARD::HEISER | give me 7 pillars of wisdom | Fri Jun 01 1990 16:29 | 5 |
| I think Thunder Dan did as well against Clyde as he did against Magic.
Hornacek is the guy that can't guard either. Those guys can post up
Jeff all night long!
Mike
|
| 8.1819 | Porter is *very* underrated ... | FRSBEE::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Fri Jun 01 1990 16:32 | 9 |
| re .1816
I agree with one thing you said - Porter is a *huge* cog in the
attack. On my part, I couldn't understand why people felt Porter
wasn't worth the money, but then this is the East Coast, and Terry
Porter is an unknown back here.
I've watched him kill the Rockets (who passed him up in the draft)
for years now .... ugh ....
|
| 8.1820 | | FRSBEE::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Fri Jun 01 1990 16:35 | 7 |
| No Mike, Dan M. got burned several times by Clyde. Magic is quick,
but Drexler is at least a level of quickness above Magic, and Clyde
could take him off the dribble at will (it seemed) - why he didn't
do it more is one of the mysteries of the series. Which is not to
say that Man's defense was that lacking ...
As for Horny, no arguments here - he can't cover a baby with a blanket.
|
| 8.1821 | IMO Portland still wins against healthy KJ | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Say, who's the barber here? | Fri Jun 01 1990 16:38 | 18 |
| >JD, et.al., how can you say that losing KJ made the Suns better? He
>had 13 points and 5 assists in the first quarter alone. Obviously,
>we can speculate all day on what would have happened had he played
>the second half, but I still think the Suns would have won.
I agree with JD. The Suns run a much better offense without KJ.
There's a lot of ball movement and cutting through the lane, and an
obvious care taken to rewarding the cutter. With KJ it's clear out,
let him drive one on one or two and then try to clean up the mess.
They certainly missed KJ, but it's hard to find the outcome much
different since the same circumstances had repeated themselves in the
other 3 Portland wins. Close games marked by Portland and not Phoenix
executing down the stretch. FOr last night's game at least, Hornacek
and Majerle filled the shoes. KJ's absence would have been much more
telling in the long-run, if it had come to pass.
Dan
|
| 8.1822 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Passes everthing but a gas station | Fri Jun 01 1990 17:24 | 18 |
| First, to clarify, I said that if KJ had stayed it, I don't think
Hornacek would have scord 36 (probably close to 16, IMO), so
point-wise, it was probably a wash, since Hornacek and Marjele really
rasied their game after the injury.
Doc - hey, Chambers had a *horrible* series, the guy is listed as
a superstar, and all-star, but he doesn't come throught when it
counts. Has nothing to do with my being in Seattle - I've never
liked him or his game. He's always been overrated. He's a good
stats hound. He should have been the one the team rallied around,
but it was Hornacek who did, and Jeff Hornacek isn't as naturally
gifted or talented as Tommy CLANG.
Portland has been in an offensive funk, but defensively, they have
really put the screws down when it counted (ala the Pistons). If
they shoot better than 42%, they will really be tough.
JD
|
| 8.1823 | Celts will be talking to Duke's coach | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Fri Jun 01 1990 17:28 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1824 | May as well talk to Lassie's coach, while they're at it! :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Fri Jun 01 1990 17:29 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1825 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Stop Rip and Ship | Fri Jun 01 1990 17:34 | 3 |
| Doesn't Jeff Hornacek sort of look like the offspring that Coach
K might produce...? Sure is funny looking. And that guy Petrovic
does look like Wardle.
|
| 8.1826 | | SASE::SZABO | | Fri Jun 01 1990 17:37 | 8 |
| 8.1827 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Stop Rip and Ship | Fri Jun 01 1990 17:42 | 7 |
| Hawk,
Tommy Gun's hair is about 15" longer than mine. He's a whiny, mealy
mouth dude. He don't look like me at all. We all know I look like
Phil Simms, or Ivan Lendl, or Tom Selleck. ;-)
JD
|
| 8.1828 | Dick and Hubie | BSS::NEUZIL | | Fri Jun 01 1990 20:00 | 9 |
| This struck me as kind of funny.....
Last night, my wife's friend was over at the house and I had the Suns game on.
First, Dick Stockton shows his mug on the screen. She says "I've never seen an
uglier announcer on TV". Then, Hubie appears. She laughs and says it looks
like someone's been chasing an ant across his face with an icepick! I was
you know what.
Kevin
|
| 8.1829 | Suns didn't get to play in June | UPWARD::WEDDLE | | Fri Jun 01 1990 21:07 | 25 |
| The roaches are out! Get off Chambers back. OBVIOUSLY, he had a horrible
last two games but, as someone said, he didn't try to force it. He had a
decent second half other than some MAJOR turnovers and missed free throws.
I give the credit to the Blazers (esp Buck Williams defense and Terry Porter's
critical hoops). It definitely wasn't Clyde - if I was Chuck Daly I would
let the Blazers try to beat me using Clyde. He's a good player who you can
compare to Michael Jordan (as in "Compared to Michael Jordan, he ain't sh*t).
Simply, the Blazers made the big plays when it mattered and the Suns didn't.
It definitely hurt not having KJ but it was still lack of defense at critical
times that killed us. IMO, the Suns need:
. A low-post scorer - We'll take Worthy any time. At crunch
time you get points going to the hoop or shooting 12
feet and in (check Jabbar, Magic, Bird, McHale, Moses,
et al). Chambers isn't a low-post player and everyone
(Cotton and TC included) knows this. Chambers
is not a "back to the basket scorer"; he needs to get out on
the break to be effective (AND HE IS).
. A backup point guard - Hornacek is a outstanding shooting guard who
can fill in at the point for short spurts. Any suggestions?
Good Luck to Portland. They earned it. Congratulations to the Suns on an
excellent season.
Jim
|
| 8.1830 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Sat Jun 02 1990 01:29 | 3 |
| Chicago wins 109-91. Game 7 Sunday.
John
|
| 8.1831 | | FAIRWY::KINGR | Hospital called, your brain is ready!!!! | Mon Jun 04 1990 00:45 | 3 |
| Detroit wins 92-73? something like that.... Bulls will sit once again..
REK
|
| 8.1832 | Chicago needs more experience | 4159::NAZZARO | We're the Dead Beat Club | Mon Jun 04 1990 11:57 | 14 |
| Nice game, Scottie Pippen 1-10
Nice game, Horace Grant 3-17
Nice game, Craig Hodges 3-13
Nice game, Bill Cartwright - invisible as usual
Bulls settled for the outside shot way too often. Seemed as though
they were intimidated by the Pistons. Didn't think it was Detroit's
defense as much as Chicago sucking serious pond water. Although I
must admit, the Bulls missed Paxson.
As for the Finals, if Portland can run, they'll win. I don't think
Detroit will let them. Pistons in 6.
NAZZ
|
| 8.1833 | | LUNER::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Mon Jun 04 1990 12:08 | 19 |
| re -.1
Pippen was also suffering from a migrane headache that left him
with double vision on occasion. Which helps to explain his brick
laying ....
Chicago still needs to grow up some. Next year, perhaps BJ will
be able to step in, and the Bulls won't miss a beat. Ditto for Stacy
King.
Make no mistake about it, the Bulls are the team of the future.
But today belongs to the Pistons.
I think this will be a great series. Contrary to what some people
think, Portland, not Phoneix is the best of the West, and certainly
has the talent and matchups to beat Detroit.
But they'll have to play 48 minutes of defense, not just the last
few minutes like they did against the Suns ....
|
| 8.1834 | | REFINE::ASHE | Never trust a big butt & a smile | Mon Jun 04 1990 12:18 | 30 |
| What Chicago needs to learn is that if Michael gets you the ball
inside, you don't need to bounce the ball once before going up
with the shot. I listened to someone on the radio on my way
home last night and watched the second half when I got home.
He was right on! Thomas feeds Rodman, Edwards, Salley down
low, the take it straight up or jam it. Jordan passed it to King,
Grant, etc... down low, they'd bounce it, pump once and go up.
It gave the Pistons enough time to foul, get in their face, or
block the shot. The 3rd period run would have been a lot more
effective if the Bulls did that.
I'll take it. Like I said at the JoJ bash, I'm not counting any
chickens yet. Chicago played well, but the bench was too strong.
I think the same may be true in the next series. See if this
sounds familiar though...
Portland has a backcourt of a star and a guard that plays really
well but gets no press (sound like Thomas and Dumars 1 and 2 years
ago?)
A center who can score a lot, but can take up a lot of space sometimes.
A defensive specialist who gets a lot of rebounds (thing is, Buck
can also score, unlike Rodman).
A decent bench...
A lot of similarities that makes it at least enough to put a scare in
Detroit if they get overconfident.
-Walt
|
| 8.1835 | | FSHQA2::JRODOPOULOS | | Mon Jun 04 1990 12:47 | 8 |
| Arsenio Hall is probably looking for a bandwagon to jump on now
that the Clippers, the Lakers, and the Suns are all on vacation.
Does anybody know who he favors between the Blazers and the
Pistons?
BTW after Magic told the Suns to bring the Championship to the west,he
goes to Detroit to root for his buddies Thomas and Aguirre. Does
he realize that Detroit is in the East ?
|
| 8.1836 | if was the Lakers, I wouldn't buy one either... | CNTROL::CHILDS | wouldn't Lambieer make a nice Laker? | Mon Jun 04 1990 12:50 | 8 |
|
If Magic roots for Detroit then you can bet that Arsenio will....
I did like those t-shirts yesterday though with the rings on them and
"you cant touch this" script written on it. Too bad it's for the Pistons
cause I'd buy one otherwise....
mike
|
| 8.1837 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Stop Rip and Ship | Mon Jun 04 1990 12:58 | 29 |
| Doc,
I've heard some reports that Pippen was loooking for an "excuse",
don't know if it is true or not, but Scottie didn't exactly play
like an all-star in the playoffs.
Once again, it is proven, that one man can't beat 5 in hoop. Bill
Cartwright made all us Knicks fans smile, as he did his usual wimpy
disappearing job. THe man is useless, always was, always will be.
Walt - I noticed that too - King and Grant especially like to bounce
the ball. That's a fundamental no-no - so either they weren't taught
it in college and the Bulls haven't tried to get them to change,
or they just don't listen to coaching.
My observation with Chicago is that the guys stand around a lot
waiting for Michael to bail them out. USA TOday asks if Micheal
will be Chicago's hoops answer to Ernie Banks.
Re: Weddle - TOmmy CLANG has been disappearing in big games for
a large part of his career - not all of them, but he's the epitomy
of a one man team - he shows no leadership or emotion out there,
unless things are going perfectly for him. I've watched TOmmy
Gun for years, he'll never change, and I'll stick by my prediction
that a team he starts for will never wear the ring.
JD
|
| 8.1838 | Bulls blew a golden opportunity. | SASE::SZABO | | Mon Jun 04 1990 13:02 | 16 |
| 8.1839 | Michael shouldn't have been so unselfish | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Mon Jun 04 1990 13:04 | 19 |
| Once Phil Jackson saw the way Hodges and Pippin were clanging from
the outside he should have told Michael forget about the team-oriented
things,go out and shoot as often as you can. Chicago definitely missed
Paxson and a healthy Pippin. If King and Armstrong improve they might
be ready to pass Detroit.
I thought Michael was trying too hard yesterday to prove Chicago is
a balanced team. There were a number of plays where he was up in the
air and passed off instead of taking the shot. I think Detroit was
happy that he passed too.
The Bulls are greatly improved this year,but with a world championship on
the line,you go with your best and there's noone better than Michael.
What a classy post-game interview he gave.
In the semi-finals the home team was 12-1. Say what you will about the
NBA,but the regular season does carry some importance. One series in
each round:(Philly-Cleveland,San Antonio-Portland and Chicago-Detroit)
went the limit with the home team winning every game.
|
| 8.1840 | Hands off! | SHALOT::MEDVID | psychological drama | Mon Jun 04 1990 13:08 | 11 |
| RE: "You can't touch this"
Sounds like they're resting on their laurels if you ask me. Maybe I'm
misinterpreting it, but the way I fill in the rest of the phrase is:
"You may beat us this year, but you can't touch this."
If they meant it like the true bad boys, it would say "Don't touch
this, MF!"
--dan'l
|
| 8.1841 | | LUNER::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Mon Jun 04 1990 13:19 | 52 |
| JD, I think it's an overstatement to say that Scotty has stunk in
the playoffs, he's looked good when I saw him, and had his moments
in the Piston series. But there is no denying that he inhaled a
LOT of pond water yesterday ....
As for the excuse, maybe it was, I don't know. I heard the migrane
thing on ESPN last night. He defintely was passive, VERY passive.
And both you and Walt were right about the dribbling inside. I saw
King give away at least 3 baskets, because he had to dribble twice
before laying it in.
We'll have to "agree to disagree" on Chambers. He has his faults
and weaknesses, but he does what he can, and usually does it well.
And some players seem to be scapegoat magnets. Chambers is one.
He took a lot of crap in Seattle, then lo and behold, they get rid
of the 'cancer', and Seattle gets worse, not better.
Just remember the long list of players that had the rap that Chaambers
has JD. I seem to remember a few people saying that about our man
Earl Monroe too ....
=========
Pistons-Blazers :
Brief Breakdown :
Guards : Even (if Drexler finds his shooting eye).
Small Forward : Rodman vs. Kersey - Even
Power Forward : Laimbeer (?) vs Buck - Blazers
Center : Edwards vs Duckworth - Pistons
Bench : VJ over any of Portland's 6th men, Salley gets a slight
edge over Bryant/Robinson, and Agguire over Petrovich.
Detroit.
Portland can win if :
1) They play consistent defense.
2) Their starters stay out of foul trouble. The Blazers have a decent
bench, but over the course of this series, I can't see them staying
with Detroit's.
3) Duckworth comes up big.
I think Dumars vs Porter, and Rodman/Drexler should be a a lot of
fun. And the Williams/Laimbeer or Aguire war will be worth the ticket
price by itself.
BTW, did you guys know that the Blazers have knocked of the Pistons
20 straight times at home ?
|
| 8.1842 | | REFINE::ASHE | Never trust a big butt & a smile | Mon Jun 04 1990 13:29 | 4 |
| Don't touch this, isn't a popular song out... Can't touch this is...
The shirt had 2 championship rings on it. Doubt that means they've
packed it in for this year...
|
| 8.1844 | Old Tapes | UPWARD::WEDDLE | | Mon Jun 04 1990 14:18 | 15 |
|
I'll go with Brooks on Chambers. People are playing old tapes when it comes
to ragging Chambers. At any rate, the Suns are going to have to come up with
a half-court offense for times when they need it. This probably won't be
a Chambers dominated offense but their fast break offense will still rely on
him. If Gilliam had worked out, maybe we wouldn't be talking about it.
Detroit-Portland - Portland is going to have to minimize the mental mistakes
they made so often against the Suns. Against the experience of the Pistons,
they'll get killed if they don't take better care of basketball, take better
shots, etc.
Gotta root for the West,
Jim
|
| 8.1845 | | REFINE::ASHE | Never trust a big butt & a smile | Mon Jun 04 1990 14:49 | 2 |
| What does Oregon have to do with it? I'm going up to Maine to see game
3 and 4....
|
| 8.1846 | kiss of death | COBRA::DINSMORE | hey uta pippin, me gots a long stocking! | Mon Jun 04 1990 14:51 | 2 |
| detroit in 5 too strong...
|
| 8.1847 | It only works when you really mean it Dinz | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|'s | Mon Jun 04 1990 14:59 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1848 | ayuh! | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Paul Yankowskas | Mon Jun 04 1990 15:04 | 4 |
| Walt, you can't get there from here. :-)
py
|
| 8.1849 | Will anybody watch Portland-Detroit? | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Mon Jun 04 1990 15:12 | 9 |
| CBS is cringing. For the first time since 1979,there is no Magic or
Bird in a final series. They were praying for a Chicago miracle so at
least Michael would be there,but no such luck.
So the big question has to be,will anyone except hardcore fans watch
this series? This is a major test of basketball's popularity. Anybody
know what the ratings were for Portland-Phoenix?
NBC,which gets the NBA next year, will be paying close attention.
|
| 8.1850 | | PNO::HEISER | kneeling at the altar of pain | Mon Jun 04 1990 15:30 | 8 |
| I'll watch it for sure! I'm not a fan of either team, but I will enjoy
detaching myself from a series (emotionally) and just watch as a fan of
the sport.
I appreciate good basketball, and this series will have plenty
regardless of what CBS says!
Mike
|
| 8.1851 | | TALLIS::DICHIARA | Peter | Mon Jun 04 1990 15:46 | 8 |
| re .1841
dumars vs. porter, rodman vs. drexler hmmm seems someone will have a field day
posting up Isiah. Actually, I think that will be one of the key points in the
series... If Detriot has a weakness it's lack of size at the guard positions.
If the blazers can exploit this by posting up drexler it could be the turning
point. That and Duckworth has to get in the way of Edwards
|
| 8.1852 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | KI, CC, EM, SS, are hang'in | Mon Jun 04 1990 15:51 | 2 |
| I'll watch, but only cuz I hate Detriot and would very much like to see
Portly'nd (tm) thrash them.
|
| 8.1853 | | REFINE::ASHE | Never trust a big butt & a smile | Mon Jun 04 1990 16:12 | 1 |
| I would think Rodman would be on Williams...
|
| 8.1854 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Stop Rip and Ship | Mon Jun 04 1990 16:33 | 16 |
| re Jim Weddle,
Why do you say we are playing 'old' tapes? Is last week 'old' in
your view?? Didn't Tommy CLANG repeatedly vs. the Blazers? Didn't
he fail to do what a real star does, that is A). If your offense
isn't working, then pound the boards, play some defense, and take
over some leadership? Didn't Tommy ever once show ANY of those
abilities vs. Portland? NO, he didn't. Chambers is an offensive
tool that has a habit of misfiring in important situations - and
he's a player who does very, very, very well when things are going
his way, and when he's the center of attention, when things aren't
falling his way, he disappears.
If Tommy CLANG isn't scoring, he's as useful as a condom on a eunich.
JD
|
| 8.1855 | This ain't Seattle | PNO::WEDDLE | | Mon Jun 04 1990 17:35 | 25 |
| re: JD
> Why do you say we are playing 'old' tapes? Is last week 'old' in
> your view?? Didn't Tommy CLANG repeatedly vs. the Blazers? Didn't
> he fail to do what a real star does, that is A). If your offense
> isn't working, then pound the boards, play some defense, and take
> over some leadership? Didn't Tommy ever once show ANY of those
> abilities vs. Portland? NO, he didn't.
No doubt he had two miserable games (5 & 6). Going into game 5
he was shooting 55% and bounding very well. You want defense from
him you've come to the wrong place. He simply is not a post up
type of player BUT to constantly ridicule him because he's not
Magic, Michael, Bird, etc. is RIDICULOUS. As Cotton preaches, you
emphasize the positives the each of your players bring to the
team and minimize the negatives. I suppose if you were married
to Racquel Welch you'd want her to cook? Good luck and have
fun being miserable. I'll send you a postcard from the 1991
NBA Finals...the Finals that the Suns and Tom Chambers will be in.
> If Tommy CLANG isn't scoring, he's as useful as a condom on a eunich.
^^^^^^
A what?!
Jim
|
| 8.1856 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Mon Jun 04 1990 17:39 | 6 |
| A eunich (sic - it's actually eunuch) is a man who has had his filberts
removed. Many harems are/were guarded by eunuchs because the people
in charge of the harems knew that eunuchs had no interest in going
after the ladies in the harem.
John
|
| 8.1857 | | GOOBER::ROSS | Wilson Phillips - 2 Dog Night | Mon Jun 04 1990 17:50 | 15 |
| Does anyone else believe we are seeing the beginning of the end of the
NBA FAN-tastic era? I watch the Pistons and Blazers and don't care.
And it's not because Boston's not there. These two teams have glaring
weaknesses in their games that they overcome with superior skills in
other areas. The great Laker and Celtic teams were better, in my opinion.
Fundamentals are being replaced with athleticism. Instinct replaces
thought. Bullying replaces boxing out.
I think the only way the NBA can maintain its level into the 90's is to
eliminate the man-to-man "rules". Let the coaches coach and let them
devise new defenses rather than trying to skirt the rules. Take the
whistle out of the refs mouth on "illegal" defense rules. Get the
refs to call three seconds. Move the shot clock up to 30 seconds.
|
| 8.1858 | The ***'* up! | SHALOT::MEDVID | psychological drama | Mon Jun 04 1990 17:53 | 8 |
| RE: Eunuchs
Rent Mel Brooks "History of the World." Gregory Hines tries to pass
himself off as a eunuch. The Romans bring in this girl to do this sexy
dance number to prove he's not. The punch line is a bit racist, so I
won't print it, but it's definitely one of Mel's best scenes.
--dan'l
|
| 8.1859 | | SASE::SZABO | | Mon Jun 04 1990 17:58 | 9 |
| 8.1860 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A knife,a fork,a bottle & a cork | Mon Jun 04 1990 18:09 | 27 |
| The Suns won't get into the 1991 NBA Finals starting Hornacek, West
and Rambis, that's for dang sure. Not when a team with that starting
lineup ahs to rely on Tommy CLANG to be a leader. Has Cotton
Fitz ever coached a NBA Champeen? Nope. And he won't with Phoenix.
Re DOC, as for the Tommy Gun as Cancer line - remember, he's only
been with the Suns two years. Starting next year, the Suns stoop
being surprising by making the final four, they start being EXPECTED
to make, then we'll see if the cancer is cured.
Re: Doug
I'm just as interested. Detroit plays team orientated hoop, as
does Portland. No one man shows. The defense and bumping is more
reminiscent of the 60's, early 70's, except the players are bigger
and more athletic in their moves.
RE: CBS
What angles will they use? Repeat for the Pistons, that's pretty
easy. A Buck Williams angle for Portland? With scenes from 1977?
A Ramon Ramos "At the Half" piece?
JD
|
| 8.1861 | | FSHQA1::JRODOPOULOS | | Mon Jun 04 1990 18:10 | 4 |
| FWIW, Cotton this weekend said that he felt Chambers to be the best
player that he has ever coached. He said that he may not be the
best shooter, the best rebounder, the best ball handler etc, but
yet he puts him at the top of his list.
|
| 8.1862 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A knife,a fork,a bottle & a cork | Mon Jun 04 1990 18:11 | 4 |
| Good example of a coach trying to take some heat off an underacheiving
performance by a coach.
JD
|
| 8.1863 | | FSHQA1::JRODOPOULOS | | Mon Jun 04 1990 18:15 | 3 |
| JD, what did Chambers ever do to you, steal your old girlfriend
or something ? Your arguments about Chambers could resemble a lot
of other NBA players, but you seem to dispise the man.
|
| 8.1864 | | FRSBEE::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Mon Jun 04 1990 18:30 | 4 |
| JD had been inhaling all of the Pacific Northwest air ....
Heck, even most Sonics fans have seen the error of their ways, yet
JD continues to trash the man ... oh well ....
|
| 8.1865 | feel free to forward to any other bashers | GOOBER::ROSS | Wilson Phillips - 2 Dog Night | Mon Jun 04 1990 18:35 | 5 |
| Yeah, JD, leave Tom Chambers alone! Your personal vendetta against the
man is embarrasing. What has he ever done to you? And that nickname,
Tommy Clang, gets old after awhile. Give it a break... you are criticizing
an All Star! What gives you the right? I'm sure if he were a Knick,
you'd be his biggest fan.
|
| 8.1866 | Y | QUASER::JOHNSTON | WHOA! Death by STEREO! | Mon Jun 04 1990 18:53 | 7 |
| WHY ISA MATTER OF YUO JD!!! TOM SHABMERS I SNOT TOO BLAM!! HE IS NO
MORE A CLANG THAN JANES WORHTY!!! AND HE DOES NO WARING OF DRESSES I AM
SHUR YUIO NO THIS TO!!! YIO ARE JUST TAKING CHEEP SHOTS OF JELOSY!!
YUOI SHOUID BE ASHAMED OF YUOR NOTES. IF YOOU ARE LOOKING FOR MEN YUO
CAN COUNT ME OUT TO!!!
RC
|
| 8.1867 | | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Mon Jun 04 1990 19:06 | 29 |
| re: Eunichs vs. Eunuchs
Both spellings are proper. You use "Eunichs" when speaking of our
own Seattle SuperEunichs, so spelled because "Sonics" has an "ic",
not a "uc".
BTW, I just got a call from the Eunichs about renewing my 13 game
package. The poor slob on the other end heard a 10 minute tirade
on why I'm not renewing. He had a bit of info I couldn't believe,
though. He said that Seattle was talking with Houston about a trade
of Ellis, Barros and Polynice for Akeem. I told him I didn't think
Houston would even consider it.
He also said that word around the Seattle head offices is that Ellis
won't be with the team next year. They want to get a decent center
for him. Also, the Soops will draft either Gary Payton or Dennis
Scott. If they get Scott, look for a deal for a point guard.
Re: Tommy Clang. I have to agree somewhat with JD. His bad rap with
the Sonics was mainly caused by being one of a number of black holes
on the team (X and Ellis being the others). He went down with a injury
one year and the team did better without him, thus his reputation of
being the "cancer" on the team. Also, he didn't get to many rebounds,
so people thought he was a pee-pee smooching wimp. If JD's rap on
Tommy is that he is more concerned with his PPG average than his team's
performance, I'll have to agree.
Pete
|
| 8.1868 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A knife,a fork,a bottle & a cork | Mon Jun 04 1990 19:21 | 21 |
| Pete,
You hit it on the haid. Tommy seems more concerned with Tommy than
he does with the team. Never more evident than when KJ went down.
Re All
Do I despise Tom Chambers - Nah, but I feel he's way overrated and
not a real 'star'. I seem to always see Tommy come up short when
he's really needed, but post great numbers in ordinary games.
re DOUG: Haw, haw, haw. Good one, and I was a-waiting for it.
I understand where you are coming from, but here are the differences:
* Tommy Gun hasn't put the TEAM's effort before his own
* Tommy Gun doesn't consistantly post higher playoff #'s than
regular #'s.
* Tommy Gun hasn't risen to the occassion when the chips are down.
;-))
JD
|
| 8.1869 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A knife,a fork,a bottle & a cork | Mon Jun 04 1990 19:22 | 8 |
| re Pete,
Cain't wait til I get my call. No way I'll renew, unless they make
a deal like the Akeem one (But I strongly doubt that will happen).
I'll just order tickets for the games I wanna see...
JD
|
| 8.1870 | JD+TC=DR+JW | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Mon Jun 04 1990 19:24 | 3 |
| During the San Antonio series, word here was that Drexler disappeared
in big games. He proved some of that wrong against the Spurs. How
will he do against Detroit?
|
| 8.1871 | | DOCTP::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Tue Jun 05 1990 10:21 | 12 |
| Re. trading Dale Ellis for a center --
Alright. We'll give you Mychal Thompson for Ellis straight up!
Re. Drexler disappearing --
Yes, and he'll do it in this series. Pistons in 6. A week from
now everybody will be asking, "How come the Trailblazers settled
for so many outside shot?"
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.1872 | | CAM::WAY | I will not go quietly... | Tue Jun 05 1990 10:36 | 15 |
| JD --
If RCASO was really here, he'd tell you that
a) Tom Chambers played basketball in high school
and college and what did he ever do to you pal
b) Tom Chambers doesn't wear a dress
c) Tom Chambers could knock you on your butt
Hope this helps 8^)
'Saw
|
| 8.1873 | | GENRAL::WADE | Fear the govt. that fears your guns! | Tue Jun 05 1990 12:08 | 4 |
|
......and not necesarily in those words! ;^)
Claybone
|
| 8.1874 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A knife,a fork,a bottle & a cork | Tue Jun 05 1990 13:02 | 14 |
| Saw,
No more form me, Mr. Gun/CLANG is out missing putts on the golf
course right now...
Re: Laker_Ken, you really think Portland will simply fire from
outside and not go inside? Why? You don't think Duckworth, Buck,
Kersey, et al, can bang boards with Laimbeer, Edwards, Rodman, et
al? I certainly do.
I have a Trailblazer feeling for this series. The only thing that
scares me is the wrath of Aguire of the bench.
JD
|
| 8.1875 | | CAM::WAY | Bloomfield Brew Crew | Tue Jun 05 1990 13:12 | 3 |
| JD,
Could we say that you're antechambers? 8^)
|
| 8.1876 | Experience is the key | DOCTP::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Tue Jun 05 1990 13:16 | 13 |
| JD, I agree that the Blazers' front line can bang the boards with
Detroit, but I suspect that they won't do it enough at the offensive
end. Portland has the tools, but too often during the playoffs I've
seen them play an undisciplined offense. In other words, when they
need a solid offensive possession, they don't seem to have the maturity
yet to work for a high percentage shot. Instead, they might settle
for throwing up a 3. I can see Duckworth, Kersey, and Robinson getting
rattled by the presence of Salley and Rodman and missing a lot of
inside shots. I also don't have to strain my imagination too hard
to picture Drexler disappearing for long stretches at a time. Of
course, I hope I'm proven wrong on all counts.
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.1877 | Jump on the Bandwagon, see Note 255 | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A knife,a fork,a bottle & a cork | Tue Jun 05 1990 13:18 | 7 |
| Ken,
Agree wif you on champeenship experience, this is the 3rd year in
a row for Detriot (TM), they know what to do. I'm looking for Buck
to play a fantastic series...
JD
|
| 8.1878 | Isiah speaks about Porter | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Tue Jun 05 1990 13:19 | 6 |
| Great quote from Isiah Thomas in todays newspaper.
"A lot of peple don't know much about Terry Porter. But this is the
first series in a long time where the guy I'm playing against is equal
or better than me".
Did you hear that DJ and Magic?
|
| 8.1879 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue Jun 05 1990 13:35 | 10 |
|
Last night's Sportscenter said Pat Riley won't be back next year. They
said Earvin Johnson might become a player/coach. They went on to say
that Bird might do the same.
Might as well. Both have gotten a coach fired because said coaches
didn't do what they wanted.
HOOT
|
| 8.1880 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Tue Jun 05 1990 14:38 | 1 |
| Chuck Daly may be an NBC basketball analyst next year.
|
| 8.1881 | | UPWARD::HEISER | kneeling at the altar of pain | Tue Jun 05 1990 14:42 | 20 |
| Ted Greene (of Roy Firestone fame) was on local radio 2 nights ago and
reported that Jerry West has give Riley until June 18 to decide if he's
going to stay or not. He also said that this was the first time
Riley's position was up in the air. Rumors were that the players were
unhappy with him and felt the relationship in LA was exhausted.
Re: Phoenix not winning with TC
JD, I'll have to mark .1860 for next June. That is definite
crow material!
Re: Portland
Detroit is in for a surprise.only edge I can see they have is defense
and team play. Portland doesn't quite play as a team like Detroit,
but the Blazers are much more talented. The Blazers core has been
together 6 years outside of Buck, and this is only his first year
there!
Mike
|
| 8.1882 | Celts sign Riley as head coach! Film at 11! | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Jun 05 1990 15:01 | 11 |
| 8.1883 | Don't go, Pat!!! | DOCTP::TESSIER | Who's on first? Bill Buckner! | Tue Jun 05 1990 15:19 | 13 |
| Apparently there was an incident after the third game in the Phoenix
series where Riley really ripped the team. Word is that Riley was
uncharacteristically vicious in identifying the players who he felt
weren't putting forth enough effort. Some of the players felt that
he should have apologized afterwards. According to both Jerry West
and Magic, it would be absurd to blame Riley for this year's collapse.
Magic said that "Riley is definitely the right coach for this team."
I agree. I don't want to see Magic coaching until his playing days
are behind him. I think it would really take away from his game.
The idea of Bird being player-coach is really funny though. How's
he going to coach the team when he doesn't talk to half of them now?!
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.1884 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A knife,a fork,a bottle & a cork | Tue Jun 05 1990 15:22 | 32 |
| Mike,
Go ahead and file it. I ain't afraid of ever having to eat crow.
Portland's starting five is younger, average-wise, than the Suns.
Also, everyone seems to be fawning over the Suns, yet they may be
only the 3rd best team in their division, behind the Blazers and
Lakers next year, and in the west, may be surpassed by other up
and coming teams such as San Antonio. I think talk of a Suns
champeenship is jumping the gun.
Cotton Fitz is a good coach, I like him, but there's this feeling
I get that tells me ol' Cotton will post good numbers, but never
be able to bring home the complete meal.
And like I said, next year, bigger and better things will be expected
from the Suns from the very start. The Lakers demise will be a
top story. The Fack that the Suns have made two Western finals
in a row will have the 'experts' jumping on their bandwagons, their
fans should expect more and not be happy with excellent losses in
the playoffs. Next year will be a telling story with the Suns.
If they do well, but get bounced again, will the locals and teammates
begin to sour wif Tommy Gun, just like up in Seattle? Who will
step forward and be the physical rebounder they sorely need?
The biggest loss the Suns experienced was when Vanos was on that
airplane that crashed. With him, I feel they'd be on their way.
I also wonder if they gave up on Gilliam too soon.
I see the Suns being eclipsed by a few teams nexted year.
JD
|
| 8.1886 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Tue Jun 05 1990 15:34 | 4 |
| The San Antonio Spurs Exec was named NBA Executive of the Year.
I see the Celts are going to have to wait 2 more years for that player
from Yugoslavia.
|
| 8.1887 | | FSHQA1::JRODOPOULOS | | Tue Jun 05 1990 18:15 | 3 |
| JD, how about a trade ? If Dallas turns down my trade offer of
McHale for their #1 and Randy White how about McHale for Horny-Chick
Perry, and your #1 ?
|
| 8.1888 | ;-) | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A knife,a fork,a bottle & a cork | Tue Jun 05 1990 18:21 | 11 |
| Like wow, didn't realize I had a #1. Hmm, McHale to the Suns?
Would help up front, but losing Hornacek would be tough, IMO. They
could start Marjele and KJ, with Tommy CLANG, Herman Munster, and
Mark West, with EJ off da bench. That could put the Suns into the
finals...maybe. It's too much to give up for McHale, who's bested
days are behind him. They'd be better off with a younger stud like
Perkins.
How bout McHale to the Lakers for Byron Scott?
JD
|
| 8.1889 | C'mon Go for it | FSHQA1::JRODOPOULOS | | Tue Jun 05 1990 18:28 | 4 |
| The "stud" Perkins has the worst knees you have ever seen. I have
seen him play in Dallas these last few years, and believe me the
Mavs are better off without him. BTW McHale still has around 3-4
years left in him, and can shoot 3's and Fts.
|
| 8.1890 | | REFINE::ASHE | Never trust a big butt & a smile | Tue Jun 05 1990 19:33 | 4 |
| I heard McHale had all but gone home....
Sorry, that must Mikhail... it was on the radio....
|
| 8.1891 | | UPWARD::HEISER | child of the blues | Tue Jun 05 1990 20:21 | 14 |
| JD, we'll have to see what Phoenix does to improve this summer via the
draft and free agency. The new owners have already proven to be more
aggressive, unlike the previous tight wad owners. I'm sure they'll be
looking for a power forward that can board AND score, plus a backup for
KJ.
Vanos' loss did hurt, but sadly, life goes on. Same for Boston when
losing Bias. Gilliam was a selfish offensive player that didn't like
to hit the boards. Suns proved to be a better team without him. They
might not have beaten LA without Rambo Rambis.
Hot Rod Williams' name has come up a lot in the local press.
Mike
|
| 8.1892 | | DOCTP::TESSIER | Istanbul or Constantinople | Wed Jun 06 1990 15:07 | 8 |
| JD, like I predicted, when it came to crunch time last night, Drexler
and Porter paniced and settled for lofting up wild 3-point attempts
with plenty of time left on the shot clock. Drexler is 6'7". Against
a smaller defender like Dumars, what in the world is Clyde doing taking
shots from 23 feet out? Why isn't he posting up down low? Not a
bright team under pressure.
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.1893 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A knife,a fork,a bottle & a cork | Wed Jun 06 1990 15:13 | 13 |
| True Ken, but when it came to crunch time, the Pistons were able
to be as physical as possible, with no fouls, while the Blazers
weren't allowed to touch the little princess. How many times down
the stretch were Blazers knocked to the floor on the offensive end,
and how many times were touch fouls called on the other end...Geez,
I know all about home cooking, but that was unreal...
Adelman should have called a TO earlier, and gotten the ball to
Kersey. The foul line was the story, Portland missed too many down
the stretch, and the Pistons got 18 more attempts. that's the game
right there.
JD
|
| 8.1894 | Portland doesn't have what it takes | 4159::NAZZARO | We're the Dead Beat Club | Wed Jun 06 1990 16:50 | 15 |
| Drexler = the Tom Chambers of Portland!
JD is right about Chambers. He's one of those guys who's just gonna
be a loser, no matter what happens.
Portland must be devastated after their humungous choke job lasted
night. EVERYBODY IS TO BLAM!!! I doubt they'll be able to come back.
NAZZ
BTW, Laker_Ken, if I were you, I'd get on my hands and knees and pray
that Riley doesn't walk. I hate to admit it, but he's the best coach
in the league. West's mediocre trades and even worse drafts will be
exposed without Riley to lead the Lakers.
|
| 8.1895 | | DOCTP::TESSIER | Istanbul or Constantinople | Wed Jun 06 1990 18:20 | 10 |
| I know, Nazz, I know. I agree that Riley is a great coach and has
had a lot to do with the Lakers' success over the past 10 years.
Praying? We're talking novena-city here!
Don't quite understand the knock on West though. Sure, he's had
a few wasted picks (who hasn't?), but I think most observers would
agree that he's generally made the right moves to keep the team
at or near the top for the better part of 10 years.
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.1896 | where' Akeem? | 34443::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu Jun 07 1990 11:24 | 9 |
| Somebody's All NBA from USA Today:
G Magic
G Michael
C Ewing
F Mailman
F Charles
TTom
|
| 8.1897 | West's biggest challenge lies ahead | 4159::NAZZARO | We're the Dead Beat Club | Thu Jun 07 1990 11:29 | 13 |
| I agree with you Laker_Ken, regarding West's moves to keep the
Lakers at or near the top of the league. But mostly all he's
had to do is some minor adjusting. Picking up Woolridge, for
example, was in reality a no-lose proposition for him. If he
pans outs, he picked up a good player for nothing. If he turns
back to drugs, West hadn't lost anything. And, like I pointed
out before, most of his work has been toward the short term:
Thompson, Woolridge, Drew were all acquisitions from "the future
is now" mold. And almost all of the selections fit Pat Riley's
style of coaching. If Riley leaves, it will surely put West's
skills to the test.
NAZZ
|
| 8.1898 | Beat Detriot. | TRCO01::AHMED | | Thu Jun 07 1990 12:11 | 9 |
| < West >
The Lakers are THE most sucessfull team in the 80's with West at
the helm. That type of success can't be achieved with just a Jabbar
or just a Riely. It requires great things from all members of the
org. West success speaks for itself.
Nadeem (rymes with Kareem)
P.S. I am new to this conference and love it.
|
| 8.1899 | let's cut through the BS | CNTROL::CHILDS | Eat Me, Beat Me, C'mon Mistreat ME | Thu Jun 07 1990 12:33 | 13 |
|
The Lakers are the most successful team of the eighties because they have
Magic Johnson period! Sure they have a good coach and the GM hsd made some
good moves but without Magic they wouldn't have won any championships in
the eighties. All they've done is hang on to Magic's coattails. Without
him Worthy, and AC never would have been all-stars, Jabbar would have
retired 5 years sooner and Byron would still be trying to figure out when
to shoot a jumper.......
everybody knows this why the hell do you think Riley never won a COA till
this year....
mike
|
| 8.1900 | Worthy is Worthy | TRCA03::AHMED | | Thu Jun 07 1990 13:27 | 18 |
|
< Magic Johnson period! >
Jordan has proven that one man teams don't win championships. If
aver one man could do it would be Jordan( Or Wilt). When it comes
to Magic I am as biased as it gets, but even Magic can't win it
alone. Russell needed Havelchuck(sp), Wilt needed West, and Magic
needs the rest of the Lakers, and he would be the first to admit
it.
< Worthy would never be an all-star without Magic >
Worthy was an all-star in college without Magic (Jordan was an
inexperienced rookie) and led his team to a NCAA title. When Magic
is injured his numbers improve (Last years playoffs). I know it's
been disscussed to death, but Worthy is definitely Worthy.
Nadeem
|
| 8.1901 | no how no way! | CNTROL::CHILDS | Eat Me, Beat Me, C'mon Mistreat ME | Thu Jun 07 1990 13:44 | 18 |
|
Jordan has less talent around him than Magic has ever had and also as much
as pain me to say have had to deal with the better "team" Pistons. Also
Magic is capable because of his size to play all the posistion on the floor
something Michael can't. This has allowed him to make his teammates better.
Wilt has no excuse, he was always blessed with a good supporting cast. That's
why IMO Russell was the better basketball player. Individual Wilt was better
but basketball is a team game and Russell was able to lift his teammates to
heights Wilt can only dream about
Worthy is talented but has always been blessed with a great supporting cast.
Answer this please do you seriously think the Lakers would have won a champ-
ionship in the eighties if Magic wasn't there?
mike
|
| 8.1902 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Ya gotta aggregate yer SLOF's, man | Thu Jun 07 1990 13:53 | 11 |
|
Re: 8.1898
Hey, Nadeem! Get your behind over to the introduction note (2?)
and tell us what your favorite teams are. That way we can include
you in the bashing right properly!
Many smiles,
Dickster
|
| 8.1903 | <Without Magic> | TRCA03::AHMED | | Thu Jun 07 1990 13:56 | 18 |
| < If Magic wasn't ther? >
Great question, I'd like other opions on this aswell. The real
question is who would be playing point instead. I don't care who
you are, you need a good point man. The sixers had Cheeks, Boston
DJ and Detroit Isaih. Replace Magic with one of them and Yes they
would of at least one the ring. Best chance '87 with DJ. In truth
it is a question that can'd be answered faily. IF Wilt had the
supporting cast and coaching the Russel did he would have one as
many championships. (I thing John Wooden said this.) In the end
Basketball is a team sport and you win as a team( Sum of the parts..).
Jordan no longer has any excusses he does have a great supporting
cast. And he can play any position. 1,2,3,4 or 5 man. He has posted
up several times durring crutial games and played point for an entire
season.
Nadeem
|
| 8.1905 | | REFINE::ASHE | Never trust a big butt & a smile | Thu Jun 07 1990 14:24 | 3 |
| Uh, last I checked the 80's (and the Laker Dynasty) are over...
-Walt
|
| 8.1906 | Not so quick Walt | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | Just do it! | Thu Jun 07 1990 14:52 | 4 |
| The 80's are definitely over Walt, but don't be too quick or sure
about the Lakers Dynasty. Time will tell.
Bret
|
| 8.1907 | Patrick the obvious choise for those who understand the game | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Say, who's the barber here? | Thu Jun 07 1990 17:20 | 10 |
| > -< where' Akeem? >-
>Somebody's All NBA from USA Today:
> C Ewing
Gee, I guess Dan was right all along, and Doc & Co. were wrong all
along. What a surprise!
Dan
|
| 8.1908 | | GOOBER::ROSS | Gomer,Floyd,Andy,Opie | Thu Jun 07 1990 17:23 | 11 |
| >> C Ewing
>
> Gee, I guess Dan was right all along, and Doc & Co. were wrong all
> along. What a surprise!
>
> Dan
Geez, Dan, it's not like you were the only guy in the world to claim
Patrick was better than Akeem. I know in your mind that was the way
it was, but c'mon... :-)
|
| 8.1909 | The voting was scewed in Ewing's favor. | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Thu Jun 07 1990 17:33 | 13 |
|
In reality, it was the media that picked this team. Ewing, in the media
capital of the world, received exactly 2 more votes that Akeem. Each
NBA city got 2 or 3 media types to vote and 11 more were picked from
who knows where. Considering the fact that Ewing is the only top center
in the Eastern Conference, the voting was not surprising.
(oops, make that Ewing received exactly 2 more FIRST PLACE votes and a
total of about 12 more points, I don't know what the point weighting
system was)
HOOT
|
| 8.1910 | < Other all-stars ? > | TRCO01::AHMED | | Thu Jun 07 1990 17:40 | 6 |
|
Does anybody know who made second team all-star ? Akeem vs. Ewing
is like Magic vs Bird. There are both(all) great and both(all) deserve
it. This time Ewing did have a better year.
Nadeem
|
| 8.1911 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | QUIET!! | Thu Jun 07 1990 19:38 | 9 |
|
You all should be nice to Dan. The way things have been going for
him lately (Yankees, Lakers) the poor guy is reduced to using the
USA Today as a source to make a point about a player on his 3rd
favorite basketball team.
Bruce
|
| 8.1912 | Addle-brain deserves a big share of this loss ... | LUNER::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Thu Jun 07 1990 20:23 | 34 |
| re Game 1
The Pistons won because of their experiance. Like Walton said, the
Blazers thought the game was over at the 5 minute mark of the 4th
period. And they lost.
Let's face it, the Blazers are not very experienced. Drexler made
some silly moves, Buck missed a couple of huge free throws (funny
how nobody wants to mention that), and IMO, Rick Adelman brain-locked
down the stretch. I couldn't believe that he let the Pistons go on
a run like that and NOT call a T.O. !
Portland has shown the ability to grow and adapt. I think they'll
bounce back.
re Thomas,
Some people in this note are just soooo determined to bash Zeke.
You don't have to like him, but give the man his due. He took over
down the stretch, and the Pistons jumped on his back and rode him.
He was the difference in the 4th period (along with the Blazers
self-destruction) - period, end of subject. When you bash him, it
just looks like sour grapes.
Drexler = Portland's answer to Chambers ?
Sounds catchy, but it's incorrect. Hardly even worth replying to.
Game 2 should be good, but the Blazers had better learn how to move
in the half court game, instead of standing around and letting people
go one on one.
Doc
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| 8.1913 | You're just trying to stir me up ... | LUNER::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Thu Jun 07 1990 20:32 | 39 |
|
> Wilt has no excuse, he was always blessed with a good supporting cast. That's
> why IMO Russell was the better basketball player. Individual Wilt was better
> but basketball is a team game and Russell was able to lift his teammates to
> heights Wilt can only dream about
Mike, you're an island on this.
Rhode Island at best ....
Give it a rest, before I nuke you on this one ....
Dr M
> Worthy is talented but has always been blessed with a great supporting cast.
Ditto for Magic. You put Magic with a medicore team, and they'll
become average. Maybe a little better. Ask Oscar Robinson.
Magic went to an already strong Laker team, that needed a power forward
(they got Jim Chones), and another guard with some talent.
It's fair to say that Magic fit the bill .... :-)
> Answer this please do you seriously think the Lakers would have won a champ-
> ionship in the eighties if Magic wasn't there?
In the early 80's - there is a very good chance that they might
have. Kareem was very productive, Norm Nixon was a *great* (and
highly underrrated) guard, and Worthy, Cooper, and McAdoo was there.
I believe they would have won at least one title.
But 8 confer. titles and 5 world titles in 10 years ?
NFW .....
Doc
|
| 8.1914 | | UPWARD::HEISER | child of the blues | Thu Jun 07 1990 20:42 | 7 |
| Re: LA winning without Magic
I also doubt it. In the early '80s, LA had a lot of talent but didn't
play well as a team. The '84 finals was a prime example of that. The
better TEAM (Boston) won, not the team with the most talent.
Mike
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| 8.1915 | | LUNER::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Fri Jun 08 1990 00:11 | 4 |
| Mike ... that's a chicken/egg thang .... the Lakers needed the 'missing
piece' to the puzzle, and Magic was it. If they had found a good
guard, they would have won a title. Maybe two. But Magic made them
a dynasty .....
|
| 8.1916 | rathole alert! | CSC32::GL_JOHNSON | Wham Bam thank ya ma'am! | Fri Jun 08 1990 04:11 | 6 |
|
The LAKERS were a *good* team before Magic with Kareem, Nixon,
and Wilkes. Getting Magic made them a *great* team.
Glen J.
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| 8.1917 | | FAIRWY::KINGR | Hospital called, your brain is ready!!!! | Fri Jun 08 1990 09:52 | 7 |
| Portland wins in overtime in Detroit 106-105?
Clyde make 2 ft's with 2 seconds left to win it going away!!!!
The next 3 are in Portland.....
REK
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| 8.1918 | Great Game | TRCO01::AHMED | | Fri Jun 08 1990 11:25 | 21 |
|
Portland wins!!!
This has got to be one of the best playoff finals games i've ever
seen. Best since Lakers beat boston in boston garden. Is Porter
a player or what. I've hardly even heard of the guy, boy did he
ever put on a show. Possibly the Most Underatted Player award ?
< Lambier six!!! treys, three in O.T. >
Who would have thought, giver this stat that Portland would win.
They proved that they have a lot of composure and class. I'm jelous
of all you Portland fans, you got a hell'ova team.
< Deciding moment >
Zeke fouling out put Detriot in trouble. He was getting hot near
the end of the game.
Nadeem
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| 8.1919 | Could very easily have been 2 to zip, Portland | BUILD::MORGAN | | Fri Jun 08 1990 11:42 | 14 |
| Add Terry Porter to the All-Ugly Team. Pronto. But, the man can play
ball.
Ya gotta like the Duck out there, too. He looks like one of those WWF
types out there, but what a nice touch.
One other thought, I think Hubie Brown has done a helluva a good job,
especially keeping Stockton in check. I loved it when Kersey got blocked
(fouled) by Isiah on the fast break. The replay clearly showed Thomas
was all over his forearm, and Stockton tried making it seem like some
herculian task to BLOCK a 6'10" guy's shot. It was an obvious foul that
wasn't called.
Steve
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| 8.1921 | they won by one | TRCO01::AHMED | | Fri Jun 08 1990 11:55 | 0 |
| 8.1922 | Here's some serious ugly | GOMETS::mccarthy | Mike McCarthy MRO4-2/C17 297-4531 | Fri Jun 08 1990 12:31 | 17 |
| I don't know if there is room for Terry on the All Ugly Team.
Here's mine:
F John Salley
F Kenny Walker
C Randy Bruer
G Kelvin Upshaw
G Jeff Hornacek
6th Man - Dennis Rodman - quarters in his ears???
Coach - Phil Jackson
Hubie and Stockton are the annoucers
Mike
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| 8.1923 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A knife,a fork,a bottle & a cork | Fri Jun 08 1990 12:42 | 6 |
| How cain you leave Lawwy Biwd, Kevin McHale and Wobewt Pawwish off
your all-ugly team - oh yeah, and DJ. Heck the Celtics are easily
the Ugliest team in the league. ANd that guy Paxson and Kleine
and Smith are all kinda funny looking.
JD
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| 8.1924 | | CAM::WAY | Bloomfield Brew Crew | Fri Jun 08 1990 12:59 | 12 |
| Hubie "Alien Nation" Brown.
Loved what the radio guy said this morning:
"Portland won in overtime last night as Clyde DEXTER sank
two free throws to give the Trailblazers a 106-105 victory"
I was you-know-what....
'Saw
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| 8.1925 | Go Ducky! | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Fri Jun 08 1990 15:06 | 22 |
|
Brown and Stockton
I think they have been terrible! If they want to cheer for Detroit,
make 'em buy tickets.
Don't be surprised to see Portland win all 3 at home, going away.
Before last night Portland had only won one road playoff game, at
Phoenix. The other road playoff games were all lost by an average of
19 points. Detroit had the officials in their back pockets both games,
last night was ridiculous. Kersey and Duckworth's 6th "fouls" were a
total joke. At least they could have waited until they actually touched
someone to foul them out. Then look at the Princess. He had at least a
dozen, no question, fouls.
Detroit has to be demoralized. Go 1-1 at home against a team that
"can't win on the road", according to many. The one they one, they
needed Portland to totally fold. Portland lost that game, Detroit
didn't win it.
HOOT
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| 8.1926 | | VIA::NORI | | Fri Jun 08 1990 15:43 | 5 |
| re: .1925
Portland also won in Dallas in the first round.
-- Ram Nori
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| 8.1927 | | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Fri Jun 08 1990 16:20 | 12 |
| re .1925
Not to mention that the Piss-and-moans needed a pile of 3-point
shots from the head whiner to stay in the game. Didja see the stop-
action look on Laimbeer's face when that last foul was called against
Detroit when Porter drove the lane? The replay showed the foul,
absolutely no question. Big stupid Bill looked like he had just seen
Elvis reffing the game, he was so surprised. I sure hope he doesn't
decide to pursue an acting career when he retires. He has only one
expression - the disbelief look.
Pete
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| 8.1928 | Nope, not me. I share the wealth | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Say, who's the barber here? | Fri Jun 08 1990 16:21 | 11 |
| >Geez, Dan, it's not like you were the only guy in the world to claim
>Patrick was better than Akeem. I know in your mind that was the way
>it was, but c'mon... :-)
No, you can count yourself in on the victory platform as well. You get
the silver, and I get the gold, which I humbly accept. Doc gets hooted
out of the awards arena. MikeC is allowed to buy a ticket to witness
this great event. /DockerDon sweeps up the confetti when the long
ceremony is finally over. Hawk is the official Ewing photographer.
Dan
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| 8.1929 | #NY votes = # Houston votes; Patrick > Akeem | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Say, who's the barber here? | Fri Jun 08 1990 16:25 | 7 |
| > -< The voting was [skewed] in Ewing's favor. >-
That's how all elections are won. In this, the voting was skewed in
Ewing's favor because he is the superior center.
Dan
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| 8.1930 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Diggin the lawn 6/20 w/ the TWOS | Fri Jun 08 1990 17:41 | 22 |
|
Dan I wouldn't waste my cash. I don't give a rats' ass what the voting public
says, I have my reason why I feel Akeem is better which I won't bore anyone
with for as they've seen them 100 times. Dam your arm must be awful long.. ;^)
Doc oh please do nuke me about Wilt but let's face it Hal Greer, Walker,
Jackson and Cunningham weren't chop liver and better yet 1969, Wilt, West,
Baylor and Goodrich vs Russell, Bailey Howell, Don Nelson?
yeah I know Hondo and Jones boys were still around too ;^)
great game last night. I got as nickname for Lambieer maybe you guys will
like it SQUISHY.....
why cause I's like to squish him, because defensively he reminds me of
a jellyfish the way he sticks to his guy and just like slime which
is squishy when you throw it on the floor it doens't bounce....
;^)
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| 8.1931 | < nickname for Lambier > | TRCO01::AHMED | | Fri Jun 08 1990 18:37 | 5 |
|
I think Lamjeer or Lamqueer are better name. JEEZ I hate that guy.
Nadeem
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| 8.1932 | | CAM::WAY | Bloomfield Brew Crew | Fri Jun 08 1990 18:42 | 1 |
| You could call him Pabst, because Pabst is a Lame Beer.....
|
| 8.1933 | I hope you're foul-shooting % is better ... | EARRTH::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Sat Jun 09 1990 17:33 | 5 |
| MIke, Wilt and Russell's carreers overlapped from 1960-69, or ten
seasons. You pointed out TWO teams that - talent and coaching-wise
matched up well with the Celts. Two out of 10 .....
Let's get real ...
|
| 8.1934 | Riles is Out ? | CSC32::A_PARRACO | Ever step on a dead bee ? | Mon Jun 11 1990 09:43 | 15 |
| On the CBS halftime show 'At The Half' yesterday, Pat O'Brien stated
categorically that Pat Riley is OUT as Lakers Head Coach.
He went on to state that the Lakers will sign Mike Dunleavy, currently
an assistant coach under Del Harris at Milwaukee. The announcement
may come today, but definitely this week.
End of an era ? What will happen to Bertka, Pfund or Vitti ? And where
will Riley appear - on Arsenio, on GQ (again!), on Oprah ? Nah.
Hats off to Riles, he's been an excellent coach over the years, and
I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone else who could have as
successfully merged all the Laker ego's into the Dynasty !
- The Doctor
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| 8.1935 | Looks like Riley is history! | 4159::NAZZARO | We're the Dead Beat Club | Mon Jun 11 1990 10:47 | 3 |
| Lakers press conference scheduled for 2:00 this afternoon PDT.
NAZZ
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| 8.1936 | Riley the new coach of the Celtics? :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Mon Jun 11 1990 13:42 | 4 |
| 8.1937 | | TRCA01::AHMED | | Mon Jun 11 1990 14:00 | 8 |
|
This is a sad day in Laker history. The biggest disapointment is
that they are not promoting from within. It is unusual for them
to go outside for a coach.
Nadeem
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| 8.1938 | #6 is #1 | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Bruce May is the BOSS | Mon Jun 11 1990 14:11 | 9 |
| Doc, in 1966, 1967 and 1968 the Wilt led Sixers had a better
regular season record than Boston. The Sixers won one title, the
Celtics won the other two. In 1969 the Wilt led Lakers had a better
regular season record than the Celtics. Russ beat Wilt head to
head again. That's four years when Wilt had the better team, and
in three of them Russell's team won the championship. What's that
tell you?
/Don
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| 8.1939 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Mon Jun 11 1990 14:22 | 6 |
| It tells me that you are skilled in the FACKS SlasherMon .....
Now when you are willing to deliver a FACTual analysis, I will await
you ....
Doc
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| 8.1940 | Quit ducking the issue. You were wrong again. | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Bruce May is the BOSS | Mon Jun 11 1990 14:56 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1941 | Your argument is baseless and tired ... | EARRTH::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Mon Jun 11 1990 17:21 | 1 |
| Dream on /Workout-Obfustucator .....
|
| 8.1942 | Nice job Slash! | BUILD::MORGAN | | Mon Jun 11 1990 17:26 | 4 |
| Sounds to me like the Doc is folding up his tent and leaving the
discussion!
Steve
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| 8.1943 | The Undispute Champs: The Green Dockers! :^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | Diggin the lawn 6/20 w/ the TWOS | Mon Jun 11 1990 17:33 | 6 |
|
Thanks Slasher, I hear Dan's complaining to the ref that you didn't tag in...
:^)
mike
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| 8.1944 | Shlepping rof fomes shlop | 15436::LEFEBVRE | Post no p-names | Mon Jun 11 1990 17:56 | 3 |
| Doc, what the hail is a obfustucator?
Mark.
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| 8.1945 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | and pick up a can of Sprunt! | Mon Jun 11 1990 18:04 | 7 |
| 8.1946 | The way to settle the argument | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Say, who's the barber here? | Mon Jun 11 1990 18:30 | 3 |
| Anyone have the personal stats of Wilt vs. Russ, head to head?
Dan
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| 8.1947 | Good start! You're welcome! | SASE::SZABO | | Mon Jun 11 1990 18:38 | 8 |
| 8.1948 | < 2 to zip ???? > | TRCO01::AHMED | | Mon Jun 11 1990 18:48 | 20 |
|
Where oh where did you get that ?
I think it is more like Russ 9, Wilt 2. But Wilt one more MVP awards.
He also won more scoring and rebounding titles. Russ let Wilt in
blocked shots and assists(?) i think.
IMHO Kareem was the greatest centre of all time. His stats wipe
the floor with all these guys. Always underatted because he was
not as social as these guys. Although he never played against Russ,
He held Wilt to ZERO points 1 night in the forum. On another he
scored FIFTY points against him. He one more MVP than both. And
Rings - 6 in a more ballanced league. His high school and college
carreer much much much better than both of them.
Kareem the greatest of all time.
Nadeem
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| 8.1949 | HEAD TO HEAD, get it? Good! | SASE::SZABO | | Mon Jun 11 1990 18:52 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.1950 | | UPWARD::HEISER | child of the blues | Mon Jun 11 1990 18:57 | 1 |
| Kareem wasn't even the best on the worst days of Russ and Wilt!
|
| 8.1951 | No Way | CSCOA5::SIMMONS_M | | Mon Jun 11 1990 19:03 | 3 |
| Kareem could only dream about being as good as Russ and Wilt.
|
| 8.1952 | Wilt is top dog - Kareem ? Give me a break ... | EARRTH::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Mon Jun 11 1990 19:12 | 10 |
| Wilt both outscored AND outrebounded Russell in head to head comp.
And according to some old-timers, was equal in blocked shots.
Plain and simple, Russell played with better supporting casts.
It's just like Slasher saying that Isiah is better than Jordan because
he has more rings. BFD. If Jordan and Isiah switched places, who
would win the titles ?
Doc
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| 8.1953 | Get it right ! | EARRTH::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Mon Jun 11 1990 19:14 | 9 |
|
re .1951
> Kareem could only dream about being as good as Russ and Wilt.
That's Wilt and Russ dammit ! WILT and Russ, not Russ and Wilt !!!
DrM
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| 8.1954 | Groan | SHALOT::HUNT | Send lawyers, guns, and money ... | Mon Jun 11 1990 19:19 | 17 |
| Gee, a Wilt Chamberlain vs Bill Russell debate ...
Let me know when you guys finally figure this one out, willya ??? I'm
sure both Wilt and Bill are dying to find out, too.
For the record, this particular debate is one of the oldest, most
emotional, and most opinionated arguments the sports world has ever
seen.
It all boils down to your opinion vs someone else's opinion. Russell
doesn't have half the offensive stats of Chamberlain but Russell has
nine fingers worth of championship rings.
Around and around and around we go. Both of these players have been
retired for over 15, close to 20 years. Let 'em rest.
Bob Hunt
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| 8.1955 | A fruitless argument | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus @PCO,321-5183 | Mon Jun 11 1990 19:29 | 13 |
| Well said as usual,Bob. Also,while they were in the league at the same
time,Russel won 8 of his 11 titles,while Wilt won one. And Bill
was smart enough to retire before Kareem came into the league.
Russell had equally as great an amateur career as Kareem,with two NCAA
titles in two years(kareem 3 for 3) and an olympic gold. I'm sure
Wilt would trade his statistics for Russell's rings anyday.
The two that had to hurt most were the last two,when the Sixers blew a
3-1 lead with Boston winning games 5 and 7 in Philly and the Lakers
blowing a 2-0 lead against an old and wounded Boston team,blowing game
7 at home. I'll never forget Wilt sitting on the bench the last quarter
with an injury,pleading with Van Breda Kolf to let him back in.
|
| 8.1956 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | and pick up a can of Sprunt! | Mon Jun 11 1990 19:59 | 12 |
| I fail to see how rings has a damned thing to do with head to head
stats.
Terry Bradshaw's backup quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers is
carting around 4 (count `em 4) Superbowl rings and he couldn't carry
Fran Tarkenton's jock if he had Berni Kosar and Toni Eason to help him.
I've seen all three (Wilt, Bill R, and Kareem [aka Lew] play). I
haven't stat one to back me up, but make `em all age 27, and when we
choose up sides at the rec center, I want Wilt on my team.
Mike JN
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| 8.1957 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Mon Jun 11 1990 20:10 | 3 |
| The majority of the people involved in this argument aren't even old enough to
have seen either play so take the argument with a grain of salt. It just
always breaks down to a Laker vs. Celtic bashing contest.
|
| 8.1958 | Yo ! Cubby Bear ! Chill Out ! | LUNER::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Mon Jun 11 1990 20:24 | 6 |
| Jeff, would you kindly relax, and enjoy yourself ? 90% of the "bashing"
is good-natured. And you have something negative to say ... relax
and enjoy life - I know you have more fun than this ... I've seen
you in person - remember ?
Doc
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| 8.1959 | Then don't make me sit through this for the 1000th time. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Mon Jun 11 1990 20:43 | 0 |
| 8.1960 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Tue Jun 12 1990 08:47 | 14 |
| You don't. Get up, get some coffee, and hit NEXT/UNSEEN ...
:-)
Part of the fun of sports (and SPORTS) is to debate the undebateable.
Mantle or Mays ? Williams or DiMaggio ? Bird or Johnson ? Jordan
or ????? Wilt or Russell ? Simpson or Dickerson ?
Shaugnessy or Schneider ? Swindul or Clments and his 2 Si Yungs ? :-)
That's as much of sports appreciation as watching or playing.
Now, where were we .....
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| 8.1961 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Tue Jun 12 1990 09:37 | 8 |
| Yeah Jeff, and anyways Doc's wrong again. If Wilt had the superior
supporting cast for four years and Russ' team won three titles in
head to head competition, what's that tell ya? In a meaningless
regular season game I would take Wilt over Russ, but if'n we were
playing the Russians and freedom was at stake Russ would get the
nod every time.
/Don
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| 8.1962 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Trident,B2,MX,Russell! | Tue Jun 12 1990 09:40 | 2 |
|
|
| 8.1963 | | 15436::LEFEBVRE | Post no p-names | Tue Jun 12 1990 10:38 | 3 |
| Will Riley be the next Celtic mentor?
Mark.
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| 8.1964 | < Kareem leaves em in the dust > | TRCA03::AHMED | | Tue Jun 12 1990 10:46 | 16 |
| < KAREEM vs Wilt vs russ >
All you guys who say no way to Kareem coulden't find a stat anywhere
to back you up. Face it Kareem did what Wilt and russ did. He
has the personal stats of Wilt (actually better), the rings of russ.
In HEAD TO HEAD competition he destroyed Wilt and probably would
have done the same to russ.
Kareem not ony went 3 for 3 in NCAA champioships, but also went
3 for 3 in NCAA MVP voting. I think(?) Russ won only one MVP.
In a game in the rec centre I might take Wilt, but in a season in
the pros. Or better yet at draft day I would take Karrem.
Nadeem
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| 8.1965 | we'll move so some can do the unseen thingy.. | CNTROL::CHILDS | Diggin the lawn 6/20 w/ the TWOS | Tue Jun 12 1990 11:02 | 10 |
|
Moving discussion to new notes. Jeff and Bob both make valid points and
so doesn't Doc. Of course Slasher comment about freedom made the most sense.
Anyways there are thos of us who love to bash and argue these things over and
over again so I propose to start a new note...
stay tunes for details.....
mike
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| 8.1966 | | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Jun 12 1990 11:07 | 14 |
| 8.1967 | | LUNER::BRAKE | A Question of Balance | Tue Jun 12 1990 11:13 | 33 |
| Matching Kareem against Wilt head to head is foolish. Wilt was in
the silver days of his career at the time. It's like saying Patrick
Ewing ate Kareem up last year so that makes Patrick the much better
player.
As far as supporting casts are concerned I've been trying to
reconstruct some of those teams. Russell had:
Cousy, Sam Jones, Bill Sharman, Tom Heinsohn, Tom Sanders, Frank
Ramsey, KC Jones, Larry Siegfried, Bailey Howell, Jim Loscotoff
with Wayne Embry and Hank Finkel as backups.
In Philly (Bob Hunt, can you help with this?) Wilt had:
Hal Grier, Luke Jackson, Chet Walker........
In LA there was Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Gail Goodrich.......help,
Dan?
It is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to be totally objective when comparing
supporting casts. One would think that Wilt, Baylor and West were
perhaps the best 3 players in the NBA at the time. But did they
play well as a team. Was Grier a better guard than Sam Jones?
On and on.
And the argument will never be settled because one person's opinion
of greatness is not the same as another. Because I was brought up
on Celtics basketball and because I saw the Celtics beat Wilt-led
teams more than lose I feel Russell was the better player. But I
can accept others' arguments.
Rich
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| 8.1968 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Ya gotta aggregate yer SLOF's, man | Tue Jun 12 1990 11:18 | 5 |
|
Philly also had Matt Gookie-ookie.
Dickster
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| 8.1969 | < HEAD TO HEAD doesn't count > | TRCA03::AHMED | | Tue Jun 12 1990 11:32 | 12 |
|
Come on guys,
Kareem holding Wilt to ZERO points.
Wilt wasn't silver he was dead. I don't care how good he might
have been in his prime.He still scored ZERO points. NOBODY could
do this to Kareem even at age 42.
Nadeem
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| 8.1970 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Tue Jun 12 1990 12:24 | 7 |
| RE: Russ and Kareem had the same amount of rings
Russ won 11 world championships in 13 years and Kareem had 6
in 20. Not starting any arguement as to who was better between
these two, but those are the facts.
/Don
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| 8.1971 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A knife,a fork,a bottle & a cork | Tue Jun 12 1990 13:20 | 14 |
| Just think, if Detroit wins this year, Bill Laimbeer will have two
rings, and using Celtic fans logic, like /Don's, that means Laimbeer
is as good as Wilt. Also, Laimbeer is as good as Reed, better than
Moses, Akeem, Patrick, Nate Thurmond, etc.
Of course, according to Celtic Logic, Bob Cousey is better than
Michael Jordan because of the same logic, and KC was better tahn
Jerry West....and Bailey Howell was better than Elgin Bailer, or
for that matter, Julius Erving...
Of course, it also means that James Worthy is better tahn Larry
Bird.....
JD
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| 8.1972 | | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Jun 12 1990 13:24 | 7 |
| 8.1973 | < Celtic logic > | TRCA03::AHMED | | Tue Jun 12 1990 13:32 | 13 |
|
I like this Celtic logic idea.
Could we develop some rules for it.
rule #1
-------
If they ever played for the Celtics they are automatically better
than all other players.
Nadeem
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| 8.1974 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Tue Jun 12 1990 13:32 | 7 |
| Then don't use the arguement that Magic's better than Bird because
he has a 5 to 3 titles advantage. And JD you conveniently leave
out the fact that I was using the examples of when Wilt was on a
better team. Therefore if he was the superior player his team
should've beaten an inferior one with Russell on it.
/Don
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| 8.1975 | Us 40 year olds saw these guys in their prime | 4159::NAZZARO | We're the Dead Beat Club | Tue Jun 12 1990 13:34 | 39 |
| As I must be, er, ahem, more seasoned than many of youse guys,
let me make a few points from seeing all three men in action
in their primes.
The thing about Wilt was, he did what he wanted when the mood
suited him. The game where he didn't score against Kareem, he
only took one shot, if my memory serves me correctly. He was
in his "I'll show people I don't need to score to have my team
win" mode, a stance that he was fond of in his later years.
So with Wilt, you never knew which player was going to show up
on a particular night. In short, Wilt had a lot of dog in him.
Russell, on the other hand, came to play every night. He always
played hard, and his attitude carried over to the rest of the team.
I have long maintained that the Celtics supporting cast in the
Russell years were not more talented, but played more of a team
game, and that began with Russell.
Abdul-Jabbar could not rebound with either Wilt or Russell, and
never had Russell's intensity, although he was more consistent than
Wilt. IMO, he is a distant third, and I might even take a vintage
Nate Thurmond over Kareem, just on the intensity basis and willing to
give 100% every night.
For you stat freaks, here are the career and playoff averages for
Wilt, Russell, and Kareem.
Regular Season Playoffs
PPG RPG PPG RPG
Wilt 30.1 22.8 22.5 24.3
Russell 15.1 23.2 16.2 24.9
Kareem 24.6 11.2 24.3 10.4
Notice that Wilt's scoring went down in the playoffs (although his
rebounding improved), and Kareem went down in both points and rebounds.
Russell improved in the playoffs in both categories.
NAZZ
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| 8.1976 | Attaboy Nazz! | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Tue Jun 12 1990 13:53 | 1 |
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| 8.1977 | | 15436::LEFEBVRE | Post no p-names | Tue Jun 12 1990 13:55 | 3 |
| Way to ruin a perfectly good pissing contest, Nazz.
Mark.
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| 8.1978 | There are some basic truths. | TREND::COHEN | | Tue Jun 12 1990 13:56 | 15 |
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Anytime you're involved in logical arguments, you always have to adopt some
basic assumptions. Take the following:
> If they ever played for the Celtics they are automatically better
> than all other players.
I think this is a good point to start. If you adopt this assumption, you
will feel much better about things in general.
Insert MANY smily faces here...
Bob
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| 8.1979 | | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Jun 12 1990 13:58 | 6 |
| 8.1981 | I'm leaning toward Ahmed's view | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Bo says /Don knows diddlysquat. | Tue Jun 12 1990 14:44 | 21 |
| >In LA there was Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Gail Goodrich.......help,
>Dan?
It's really a common misconception. By the time the Lakers got Wilt,
Baylor's knees were totally shot. They spent very little time on the
court together, both suffering major injuries (they both missed most of
a season) and then Baylor retired.
Other players on those Laker teams, although you got most of them with
staying power, were: Happy Hairston, Jim MacMillan, Connie Hawkins
(also shot), Pat Riley, Keith Erickson...
>Because I was brought up
>on Celtics basketball and because I saw the Celtics beat Wilt-led
>teams more than lose I feel Russell was the better player.
Refreshing honesty, Rich. Good follow-up to your look into the Munson
Bench thing. Now if only our resident Green Dockers, Mike and /Don
would be so candid.
Dan
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| 8.1982 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | Alda, quiche, dockers, soccer | Tue Jun 12 1990 14:47 | 5 |
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I really enjoyed Nadeem talking about Celtic-logic when Nadeem-logic
says that 6 rings equals 11.
Bruce
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| 8.1983 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Tue Jun 12 1990 14:58 | 4 |
| Bruce maybe he factored in inflation. Hey Dan I see you've
sunk to a new MrT low. Congrats!
/Don
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| 8.1984 | | LUNER::BRAKE | A Question of Balance | Tue Jun 12 1990 14:59 | 23 |
| You know, this "ring" thing, to me, is a pile of do-do. There are
some guys who have played the game as well as anyone who do not
have a ring and will never get one.
Look at last night's performance. Nolan Ryan will go down as, perhaps,
the greatest man to ever throw a baseball yet he has no World Series
ring. Mr. Cub, Ernie Banks resides nicely in Cooperstown without
a ring. Ted Williams, the greatest hitter I have ever seen (apologoes
to Don Mattingly, Carl Yaz, Wade Boggs and Mickey Mantle) never
won a World Series ring.
To say, nyah nyah, Magic is bettah than Larry 'cause Magic has more
rings or "Russ has more rings than Elizabeth Taylor - ipso facto
he's the best ever" are lame arguments to put it mildly.
Championships are for franchises to hang their hats on. The Yankees
are the most successful team in major league baseball. Montreal
is the most successful team in the NHL. OK? Otherwise you could
have guys like Rick Dempsey laying claim to the greatest catcher
in baseball history, for heaven's sake.
Rich
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| 8.1985 | OscarMeyer,HebrewNational,FenwayFranks,BruceMay 8^) | CAM::WAY | Terminate with extreme prejudice | Tue Jun 12 1990 15:03 | 15 |
| Actually, I'm still having a problem with comparing players of
two different times.
I don't feel you could ever compare Cousy and Jordan because the
game has evolved so much over the years. Heck, I'm sure that
high school play now far outshines some college play of
years ago...just to show how the game's evolved.
Russell and Wilt were contemporaries. I like both men because both
did a lot for basketball. But you cannot take them out of context
and put them up next to each other. From what little I know,
they played different styles and in different situations.
JMHO,
Chainsaw
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| 8.1986 | | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Jun 12 1990 15:12 | 5 |
| 8.1987 | No Newt Axes | CGVAX2::REEVE | | Tue Jun 12 1990 15:16 | 7 |
| Actually, all the # of rings proves is that the Celtics are the
greatest team in the history of professional sports in the US of A.
Hope this hurts.
Chris
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| 8.1988 | who will get #2000? | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Does Bo know soccer? | Tue Jun 12 1990 15:17 | 1 |
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| 8.1990 | Go for it, Paul! | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Jun 12 1990 15:27 | 1 |
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| 8.1991 | | FAIRWY::KINGR | Hospital called, your brain is ready!!!! | Tue Jun 12 1990 15:28 | 6 |
| News Flash!!!!!
Boston Celtics still have not named a coach!
no Film at 11:00
REK
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| 8.1992 | ring thing vs stat thing | TREND::COHEN | | Tue Jun 12 1990 15:29 | 12 |
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I have the same problem when people throw piles of statistics to prove their
point. There's always SOME stat that will support your point of view. There
are tons of players who have great stats, but who really aren't great.
Chambers is a good example, great stats, decent player, tanked the big one in
the series against Portland. Sorry, not on my team. Jordans scoring numbers
while impressive do not give the man justice. He is more than a scoring
machine.
There are some intangibles here that numbers can't show.
Bob
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| 8.1994 | Laker supporting cast | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus @PCO,321-5183 | Tue Jun 12 1990 15:45 | 25 |
| 8.1995 | Something funny's going on here..... Yassir? | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Jun 12 1990 15:57 | 1 |
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| 8.1996 | Don't check their wallets, look somewhere else | 4159::NAZZARO | We're the Dead Beat Club | Tue Jun 12 1990 16:16 | 9 |
| The key to all great athletes, IMO, are their cahunas. The bigger
the cahunas, the better the player. Magic, Russell, Cousy, Larry
Robinson in hockey, Joe Montana, - these guys have huge cahunas.
On the other hand, Darryl Strawberry, Tom Chambers, and many others
have no cahunas at all.
Epoh siht spleh,
NAZZ
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| 8.1997 | Gotta back that up with stats, Nazz! | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Jun 12 1990 16:23 | 1 |
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| 8.1998 | HAHAHA | FAIRWY::KINGR | Hospital called, your brain is ready!!!! | Tue Jun 12 1990 16:26 | 4 |
| Hey Nazz, what ever happened to you? Youse got one big
cahunas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REK
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| 8.1999 | and counting | 15436::LEFEBVRE | Post no p-names | Tue Jun 12 1990 16:26 | 2 |
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| 8.2003 | 'Splain | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Bo says /Don knows diddlysquat. | Tue Jun 12 1990 16:45 | 12 |
| >The key to all great athletes, IMO, are their cahunas. The bigger
>the cahunas, the better the player. Magic, Russell, Cousy, Larry
>Robinson in hockey, Joe Montana, - these guys have huge cahunas.
>On the other hand, Darryl Strawberry, Tom Chambers, and many others
>have no cahunas at all.
So, Nazz, your thesis seems to state that you really admire those
players who rise to the occasion, and the bigger the occasion, the
better their rise. This leaves you at odds with your past bashing of
James Worthy, who has risen to many a big occasion in his career...
Dan
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| 8.2004 | | LUNER::BRAKE | A Question of Balance | Tue Jun 12 1990 16:56 | 9 |
| Wait a minute here. There have been many times I have sat on a beach
and marvelled at the "cahunas" walking by and they were definitely
not attatched to males.
So what are we taling about, men with breasts between their legs
or what?
Rich
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| 8.2005 | Hey! WTF! I say, WTF! Mod's think they have big cahunas! :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Jun 12 1990 16:59 | 1 |
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| 8.2006 | | 15436::LEFEBVRE | Post no p-names | Tue Jun 12 1990 17:15 | 5 |
| Yuz guys don't have a clue what a kahuna (correct spelling) is.
Yuz guys are confusing your kahunas with your cajones.
Mark.
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| 8.2007 | Money talks and teeny cahunas walk! | 4159::NAZZARO | We're the Dead Beat Club | Tue Jun 12 1990 17:20 | 9 |
| Jimmy Clang (tm) could only dream to have my cahunas!
I can't tell you how many times I've hit the big shot at the Y
at lunchtime with the score tied 9-9, and the losing team forced
to sit out the next game. Now that's pressure! And ol' Jimmy
Clang really stepped up and how his teensy weensy cahunas in the
last two games of the Phoenix series (10-40).
NAZZ
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| 8.2008 | Yeah, he wishes | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Bo says /Don knows diddlysquat. | Tue Jun 12 1990 17:59 | 5 |
| Not to mention the way he destroyed the Celtics in '85 and '87 and the
Pistons in '88? Don't talk about the Cayunahs of one of the NBAs great
playoff players of all time!!!
Lunchtime_Y_King
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| 8.2009 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | Funnier than the Bible! | Tue Jun 12 1990 18:14 | 6 |
| Kahunas were the Hawaiian Aides/Chief Warriors/Holy Men to the King (as
in Kamehameha - [ I think the first ten Kings were named that - and I
think one of them was a woman]).
So there
Mike JN
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| 8.2010 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Tue Jun 12 1990 20:59 | 91 |
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re.1975
> As I must be, er, ahem, more seasoned than many of youse guys,
> let me make a few points from seeing all three men in action
> in their primes.
TRANSLATION : You're an old fart, who's old enough to be my dad.
And you've spent most of your career worshipping the HGSS(tm).
:-)
> The thing about Wilt was, he did what he wanted when the mood
> suited him. The game where he didn't score against Kareem, he
> only took one shot, if my memory serves me correctly. He was
> in his "I'll show people I don't need to score to have my team
> win" mode, a stance that he was fond of in his later years.
Nazz, Wilt talked about that game in his autobiography. I think
it was more of a case where he felt if the Lakers won (it was a
crucial game), the Lakers would play a easier team in the playoffs,
and the Bucks would get Golden State (with Thurmond). As it turned
out, that happened. The Lakers blew away the Bulls (?), and the
Warriors upset the Bucks, the Lakers beat a beat-up Bucks team,
and went to Finals.
If somebody can fill in the blank spots, do so.
I can't see Wilt tanking by omisssion, but it isn't far-fetched,
and I can believe it's been done before and since.
> So with Wilt, you never knew which player was going to show up
> on a particular night.
Come on Nazz, how often did that happen ?
> Russell, on the other hand, came to play every night. He always
> played hard, and his attitude carried over to the rest of the team.
Agreed.
> I have long maintained that the Celtics supporting cast in the
> Russell years were not more talented, but played more of a team
> game, and that began with Russell.
Double-talk. Besides, didn't coaching have something to do with
team chemistry ?
Look at how many coaches Wilt played under. And the three best he
played under (Hannum, McGwire, and Sharman) was with him a total
of 5-6 years tops.
That DOES have an effect ya know ....
> Abdul-Jabbar could not rebound with either Wilt or Russell, and
> never had Russell's intensity, although he was more consistent than
> Wilt.
I'll go with the first half, but the second ?
> IMO, he is a distant third, and I might even take a vintage
> Nate Thurmond over Kareem, just on the intensity basis and willing to
> give 100% every night.
Here here. I saw Thurmond towards the end (last 2-3 years with GS
and with the Cavs), but he was still a great center. If I was a
coach, I'd take him over almost anyone out there today.
> Regular Season Playoffs
> PPG RPG PPG RPG
> Wilt 30.1 22.8 22.5 24.3
> Russell 15.1 23.2 16.2 24.9
> Kareem 24.6 11.2 24.3 10.4
> Notice that Wilt's scoring went down in the playoffs (although his
> rebounding improved), and Kareem went down in both points and rebounds.
> Russell improved in the playoffs in both categories.
Nazz, Wilt didn't score nearly as much his last 4-5 seasons - espcially
in the playoffs, because of his changed role. Not only that, but
he did concentrate more on passing off and boards in crunch time.
Kareem's rebounding went to hell his last 5 years, which explains
a lot there.
And while you're on that stat kick - tell us this :
How many fouls and how many times did Russ foul out trying to handle
the Dipper ?
Dr M
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| 8.2011 | < The debate continues > | TRCO01::AHMED | | Wed Jun 13 1990 11:35 | 23 |
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Don't we have to factor in Kareems 20 years as a premier centre.
Kareem had a better career. His overall productivity to the NBA was
greater than that of Wilt and Russ. If you were building a franchise
would you rather have Kareem for 20 years or Russ for 13. I think
the choice is obvious. As far as his avg. goes an earlier point
was well made. His numbers really tailored off in the last 5 years.
He won playoff MVP in '71( I think) and '85 (and should have in '80
but that's anouther story). That is 14 years apart. I don't think
this feat will ever be repeated. On draft day I'm takin Kareem.
re: Nadeem logic.
When I talked about rings, my meaning was Kareem had the ability
to win championships the way Russ did. Simply put both there teams
won when it counted. I didn't mean he mathamatically had the same
number of rings, only that he matched Russ in the ability to win
them. That's my story and I'm stickin to it.
Nadeem
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| 8.2012 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | SCS...Call Anytime, Anywhere | Wed Jun 13 1990 12:48 | 5 |
| Kareem won 1 title without Magic. And I still say producing
11 titles in 13 years is better than 6 titles in 20 years. Or at
least I would hope my accountant thought that way. 8^)
/Don
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| 8.2013 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Wed Jun 13 1990 13:36 | 18 |
| > And while you're on that stat kick - tell us this :
>
> How many fouls and how many times did Russ foul out trying to handle
> the Dipper ?
Dr M,
I can't answer that question directly. But I can tell you that Bill
Russell fouled out of 24 regular season games in his entire career (Total
of 963 games over 13 years.
In the playoffs he fouled out of 8 games, out of a total 165 games.
Would you say that Russell didn't foul out too many times trying to
'handle the Dipper'???
JimH
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| 8.2014 | Twenty years from now the argument will be Robinson vs. Divac! | DOCTP::TESSIER | Istanbul or Constantinople | Wed Jun 13 1990 13:38 | 18 |
| Re. "Kareem won one title without Magic:"
How many titles did Russell win without Cousy? A couple?
Re. 11 titles in 13 years versus 6 titles in 20 years:
When Russell and the Celts were racking up those titles, there
were 12 or 14 teams in the league. Today there are twice as
many teams. Obviously, as in all major sports, it's much more
difficult to build a dynasty today than in years gone by. Free
agency, the salary cap, and expansion drafts are all obstacles
that weren't there 25-30 years ago.
Incidentally, Nazz, that crack about taking Thurmond over Kareem
was pretty funny. I guess you've erased game 2 of the '85 finals
from your memory banks. :)
Laker_Ken
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| 8.2015 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | SCS...Call Anytime, Anywhere | Wed Jun 13 1990 13:42 | 4 |
| Bob Cousy retired in 1964. The Celtics won titles in '65, '66,
'68 and '69. That's four. Fewer teams means a tougher league.
/Don
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| 8.2016 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Wed Jun 13 1990 14:12 | 4 |
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Bigger money, more publicity means better players and more of them.
Nowhere near as many kids were putting as much time into ball in the
'50s and '60s as today.
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| 8.2017 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his Lips...Know New Taxes!! | Wed Jun 13 1990 14:21 | 3 |
| ...so why was it so 'easy' for the Celtics in the 50's and 60's. How
come nobody else could win like they did?
Denny
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| 8.2018 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | BillLaimbeer | Wed Jun 13 1990 14:23 | 4 |
| ...and why when discussing other sports (i.e. hockey, baseball)
a smaller league meant a more competitive league?
/Don
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| 8.2019 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | Funnier than the Bible! | Wed Jun 13 1990 14:25 | 8 |
| 8.2020 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Wed Jun 13 1990 14:28 | 6 |
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I never said that. But...
Hockey is a joke with a relative small following, less people play it.
Baseball has been played by every kid in America for a long long time.
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| 8.2021 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his Lips...Know New Taxes!! | Wed Jun 13 1990 14:29 | 4 |
| >VOODOO
So that's where all of Red's hair went! He kept gluein' it on them
little dolls!!
Denny
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| 8.2022 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | BillLaimbeer-Poet,Scholar,Athlete | Wed Jun 13 1990 14:42 | 6 |
| Sorry HOOT, I don't but it. Take the current NBA league and
make it smaller and the competition will be tougher. I am not
comparing today's players to yesterday's but more teams does dilute
the talent.
/Don
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| 8.2023 | The opposite is true | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Bo says /Don knows diddlysquat. | Wed Jun 13 1990 14:56 | 10 |
| >Fewer teams means a tougher league.
Balderdash! Do you make this stuff up as you go along??? The NBA of
the '50s and '60s had very little parity, and very few rules to produce
parity. That's why it was so comparitively easy for one team to
dominate. There was a trickle of talent entering the league compared
to what exploded in the '70s. College ball was the big game, and the
pros took a back seat. Many franchise were run on a shoestring.
Dan
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| 8.2024 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | BillLaimbeer-Poet,Scholar,Athlete | Wed Jun 13 1990 15:03 | 16 |
| Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Jerry Lucas
Hal Greer
Chet Walker
Wilt Chamberlain
Elgin Baylor
Nate Thurmond
Lenny Wilkens
These are just a few players (all non-Cetics) who starred during
the decade of the 60's. The Celtics did not dominate the 50's, in fact
they only won 2 titles during that time span. The totally dominated the
60's however with 9 titles in 10 years.
/Don
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| 8.2025 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Wed Jun 13 1990 15:04 | 9 |
| Cousy actually retired after the 1963 season, so during the Russell
era the Celtics won 6 titles with him (57, 59, 60, 61, 62 and 63)
and 5 without him (64, 65, 66, 68, 69).
It doesn't matter when it happened, 11 out of 13, 9 out of 10 (twice)
and 8 in a row is still pretty damned impressive, weak league or
not.
John
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| 8.2026 | /Don is comparing apples to oranges | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Bo says /Don knows diddlysquat. | Wed Jun 13 1990 15:07 | 24 |
| >Take the current NBA league and
>make it smaller and the competition will be tougher. I am not
>comparing today's players to yesterday's but more teams does dilute
>the talent.
This is a silly argument. The answer to it is "So what???" It proves
nothing. Is that clear enough?
While more teams dilutes the talent pool, that has nothing to do with
comparing the NBA of the '50s to the NBA of the '80s. The talent pool
striving to play in the NBA has grown by leaps and bounds relative to
the talent pool of the by-gone days. Meanwhile, the talent is also
much more refined. A player at the 50th percentile today is probably
superior to a player at the 5th percentile in 1960.
What would Bill Russell be like in the NBA today? At 6'9" he probably
wouldn't be able to play NBA center. Perhaps he'd be a Buck
Williams-type of player, as neither player is a consummate offensive
player. Buck might be somewhere around the 20th to 30th best player in
the league today (really rough estimate). Russell was probably the
second best in his day. I would say that Williams represents the
high-water mark.
Dan
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| 8.2027 | | LUNER::BRAKE | A Question of Balance | Wed Jun 13 1990 15:07 | 12 |
| OK, Dan, then the Yankees of the 20's-50's, before any draft, had
a lock on major league baseball. There were no blacks in baseball
until the late 40's so the product was watered down - hence the
significance of all those banners is about as impressive as the
banners in the Boston Garden.
Basketball in the 50's was big in many areas of the country - New
York, for one. To insinuate that the accomplishments of the Celtics
are less than the Yankees, to me, is hypocricy.
Rich
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| 8.2028 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | BillLaimbeer-Poet,Scholar,Athlete | Wed Jun 13 1990 15:08 | 4 |
| I could be wrong JohnH, but I thought the 63-64 season was Cousy's
last. Was 1964 the year Walter Brown died?
/Don
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| 8.2029 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | BillLaimbeer-Poet,Scholar,Athlete | Wed Jun 13 1990 15:11 | 5 |
| I'll say it again. Do not compare the 50's decade. Big difference
between BBall in the 50's and in the 60's. And a smaller league
means more talented teams.
/Don
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| 8.2030 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Wed Jun 13 1990 15:15 | 27 |
| 64 was the year Brown died, 63 was Cousy's last year. His last
playoff game was against the Lakers and he tossed the ball high
in the air with one second left as time was expiring.
A player can only be evaluated for the period in which he played,
not with other periods. Russell can really only be evaluated for
the 1957-1969 time period and during that time he was either the
best or second best player in the NBA. He certainly was the
winningest. To compare him to the players of today, if the 1957
Bill Russell was brought into this era as is, yeah, he'd probably
be another Buck Williams. If Bill Russell was born in 1962 and
came into the league in the early eighties, he probably would have
benefitted from better nutrition, better health care, better
competition in his youth and so forth. He'd probably be at the
same relative level to the rest of the NBA as he was back then.
In the same vein, people miss the boat when comparing Ty Cobb to
the players of today. Yes, he consistently hit in the high 300s
but so did a whole lot of other players, in fact, the league batting
average was much higher then. In order to compare him to the players
of today, you have to know how his batting average compared to the
averages of his time and compare it to the averages of today.
It doesn't matter when it happened or how or with whom, 11 titles
in 13 years is impressive.
John
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| 8.2031 | < 'HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH' > | TRCO01::AHMED | | Wed Jun 13 1990 15:20 | 9 |
|
Gee Dan if there was more parity in the league in the 50's and 60's
why did they make all these rules to make the legue more ballanced.
I guess all these guys were idiots. You dug yourself into a hole
on this one. I recognize the 60's celtics as a great dynasty, but
you must except the fact that there was less parity.
Nadeem
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| 8.2032 | More apples and oranges | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Bo says /Don knows diddlysquat. | Wed Jun 13 1990 15:20 | 23 |
| >OK, Dan, then the Yankees of the 20's-50's, before any draft, had
>a lock on major league baseball.
Rich, by the 1920s, baseball had been played as a professional sport for
over 50 years! There were roughly 200 minor league teams,
independantly owned and operated, feeding the major league teams on an
equal basis. There was really no need for a draft, nor does the draft
have any great significance today relatice to parity. (it was
instituted in 1965.) There is really no basis of comparison between
the NBA of the '50s and MLB of the '20s through '50s.
>Basketball in the 50's was big in many areas of the country - New
>York, for one.
Just about the only one, really. And there was absolutely no doubt, in
New York, the college game was king. The pros were the poor sisters.
>To insinuate that the accomplishments of the Celtics
>are less than the Yankees, to me, is hypocricy.
You of course meant "accuracy" instead of "hyporcricy".
Dan
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| 8.2033 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | BillLaimbeer-Poet,Scholar,Athlete | Wed Jun 13 1990 15:21 | 4 |
| Thanks John, I knew one happened after the other, I just had
the order wrong. 8^)
/Don
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| 8.2034 | Different periods can be compared with proper perspective | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Bo says /Don knows diddlysquat. | Wed Jun 13 1990 15:49 | 27 |
| John,
I haven't made any statements to indicate that the Celtics record for
the '60s is not impressive. I'm simply trying to place it in its
proper perspective. When someone else is comparing the amount of rings
a Russell earned to the number of a Magic or Kareem, such a perspective
is paramount. You didn't speak up then.
As for Russell eating better and possible becoming a better player if
he were born in the '60s instead of the '40s ('30s?), there's much more
to it. If eating better made him 3 or 4 inches taller and gave him a
bigger frame to add weight to without reducing speed and agility, you
might have a case. But unless he grew up with extreme malnutrition, it
probably would not do. I find it likely that he would be a better
athlete with the specialization of today. That's the kind of thing I
mean when I compare him to Williams, who looks like a rock today
compared to the pictures of Russell in his playing days. That doesn't
change the facts. 6'9" guys with mediocre offenses are not going to be
the best players in the game today. No how, no way.
In testimony to Russell, it should be noted that the Celtics of Red
Scowlback and Bob Cousy never won diddly, that is, until Russell came
along. In his day, he was certainly one of the best. And forever,
Cousy and Scowlback should be considered in that light.
Dan
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| 8.2035 | Talkin' Baseball | LUNER::BRAKE | A Question of Balance | Wed Jun 13 1990 16:04 | 30 |
| No, no, Dan, you can't brush this off that quickly. When the Yankees
got serious about monopolizing the game of baseball they created
a funnell for the bst players in baseball to end up in NYC - either
by luring them with money or by funding the greatest scouting network
known to the sports world. The only American League team to put
a dent in this express train was Connie Mack's Athletics for a few
years in the 30's. In the National league, the Giants and Cardinals
continually fell short of the mighty Yankees.
Now look around baseball at the time. There were many greats just
like there were the Oscar Robinson's and Hal Greer's when the Celtics
were king. But no team was loaded like the Yankees.
And I must also point towards my dear Red Sox. This Red Sox team
was certainly no competition. Nor were the Senators whose only real
player, Walter Johnson, toiled for years in mediocre company. The
St. Louis Browns? Hah! The White Sox? Old Kenesaw Mountain more
or less made sure this team wouldn't do anything after 1919. This
left the Athletics, Tigers and Indians. Sadly, the Indians of the
20's and 30's were not much better than they are today. The Tigers
were competitive but that's about all.
So, to glorify the Yankees accomplishments you must look at who
the opposition was and, frankly, it stunk in the American League.
Add to that the fact that there were no blacks who played in the
American League until 1949 and that further taints all claims of
greatness the Yankees may state.
Rich
|
| 8.2037 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A knife,a fork,a bottle & a cork | Wed Jun 13 1990 16:18 | 14 |
| What I don't understand about the arguement of the pro-Celtic faction
like Slasher, Rich, et al, is why are there no dynasties in any
sport now when there were big dynasties back in the olden days,
the days you gusy claim had better comp and stuff, especially given
when all indicators point to today's athlete being better than those
of olden days? Explain that, boys. By your logic of worse comp,
ther should be lots and lots of dynasties now. It circumstansically
proves that the olden days are played up to a higher level then
they deserve - and that's for the Celts, the Yanks the Habs..etc.
Those teams accomplishements are still impressive, but remember,
it's ancient history.
JD
|
| 8.2038 | | 15436::LEFEBVRE | NKOTB, Madonna, MilliVinilli,JD | Wed Jun 13 1990 16:19 | 3 |
| JD lip-synch's his notes!
Mark.
|
| 8.2039 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Wed Jun 13 1990 16:20 | 21 |
| Dan, I apologize. It sounded like the accomplishment was being
belittled. I'm sorry if I misinterpreted.
Given the change in the state of the game, any championship is
impressive nowadays. Back-to-back titles is much more impressive
than it once was. 5 titles in 9 years today (by the Lakers) is
a great achievement, as was 3 titles in 6 years by the Celtics.
Edmonton winning 5 titles in 7 years and the Islanders winning 4
in a row are probably more impressive than some of Montreal's winning
streaks of the past.
Russell didn't grow up in extreme malnutrition. He was the younger
of two boys. He's a Louisiana native and his mother died when he
was young. His dad moved the boys to Oakland where he raised the
two of them while working in a factory. Russell attended McClymonds
High School in Oakland prior to the University of San Francisco.
My point was given that the children of today are on average taller
and stronger than those of today, Russell would probably be bigger
today than he was then, and an even better athlete.
John
|
| 8.2040 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Wed Jun 13 1990 16:24 | 11 |
| And Dan, I have to agree with you on one other thing -
given the way the game has changed today, a transplanted Russell
would have to develop more offensive skills in order to survive.
His strengths then were his rebounding, defense and his intensity.
He did make everyone play better because the Celtics could take
more chances on defense realizing that Russell was there to cover
up any mistakes. The Celtics fast break at the time was impressive
because the Celtics could be thinking offense while in the defensive
end of the court.
John
|
| 8.2041 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his Lips...Know New Taxes!! | Wed Jun 13 1990 16:28 | 4 |
| JD, you still haven't explained why the Celtics were the only team
in the 60's to have a 'dynasty' if it was so easy, why didn't anyone
else?
Denny
|
| 8.2042 | denny, which bandwagon you on now? | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Wed Jun 13 1990 16:36 | 4 |
|
A "dynasty" yes, and what fan support through the 60's and 70's,
huh?
|
| 8.2043 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A knife,a fork,a bottle & a cork | Wed Jun 13 1990 16:37 | 19 |
| No Denny,
I don't need to explain. The fact that one could have a dynasty
like that proves it was easier than today. I haven't belittled
the accomplishment - it was great. It was also over 20 years ago.
You guys keep saying that it was harder to do back then, but to
paraphrase your, if it's so easy now, why hasn't anyone done it?
I'll tell ya way, the overall level of skill and play is eons above
the style played in the 60's. The game was slower, and it was built
differently. Positions were much clearly designed. All rebounding
was designed to be funneled to the center, for instance. There
were fewer good hoop players around back then, so if a team could
get a bunch of em, like the Celtics did, then the titles would fall
in for them. Nowadays, there are just too many good players around.
J
|
| 8.2044 | < Not celtic logic again > | TRCO01::AHMED | | Wed Jun 13 1990 16:40 | 9 |
|
If anouther team had a dynasty in the '60 the Celtics would'ent of
had a dynasty. Thus the definitions of the word dynasty.
The Minnisotta(?) LAKERS was the greatest dynasty of the 50's but
I'm not about to say George Mikan could have wipped the floor with
Akeem. It was a different era. Dynasties were easier to create.
NADEEM
|
| 8.2045 | I recognize you as the devil's advocate, but I demand you make sense | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Bo says /Don knows diddlysquat. | Wed Jun 13 1990 16:54 | 39 |
| >When the Yankees
>got serious about monopolizing the game of baseball they created
>a funnell for the bst players in baseball to end up in NYC - either
>by luring them with money or by funding the greatest scouting network
>known to the sports world.
The Cardinals under Branch Rickey had a much larger scouting team, a
much larger minor league system, and probably produced and buried far
more major league caliber players. With good scouting, and wise deals,
the Yankees were able to get some of the greatest players of all time -
Ruth, in a deal with the Red Sox, Gehrig, signed out of college when it
was extremely rare to sign a player out of college, DiMaggio, bought
from the San Francisco Seals after other teams shied away because of a
leg injury, and Mantle, signed by a Yankee scout in the sticks of
Oklahoma.
>Now look around baseball at the time. There were many greats just
>like there were the Oscar Robinson's and Hal Greer's when the Celtics
>were king. But no team was loaded like the Yankees.
Agree and disagree. There were far more greats in baseball, and
mediocre was far better, than in the NBA. But the Yanks did their part
in building great teams. Like the Celtics, the Yankees mastered the
system they existed in. Unlike the Celtics, they continued to master
even after the great star that started it all left (Ruth/Russell).
Unlike the Celtics, they did it in the face of much more competition,
much more talent, and much more solid opposing ownership.
>Add to that the fact that there were no blacks who played in the
>American League until 1949 and that further taints all claims of
>greatness the Yankees may state.
This makes no sense. Every team was playing at the same disadvantage.
The only way you could safely use this argument would be against
Brooklyn, who took the greatest advantage of the introduction of blacks
to major league baseball. I wouldn't make that argument, as I see it
as their right.
Dan
|
| 8.2046 | | SASE::SZABO | | Wed Jun 13 1990 16:59 | 7 |
| 8.2047 | | LUNER::BRAKE | A Question of Balance | Wed Jun 13 1990 17:04 | 39 |
| You bring up some good points, JD and I am willing to listen more.
In the case of the Canadiens, there was no draft BUT they did retain
exclusive rights to ANT player from the prrvince of Quebec. They
also were one of the 2 glamor teams of the NHL - the other being
Toronto so a young kid grew up dreaming of playing in either the
Montreal Forum or Maple Leaf Gardens. Sports, like politics, is
driven by power and success breeds more power. So, if your a kid
growing up in Oshawa and your good and the Canadians and Red Wings
come calling, who you gonna sign with?
The Celtics, though, were dealing with a draft and built there power
through shrewd deals. Cousy, Russell - both these players came via
trades which resulted in Celtic draft picks. That is why it is so
short sighted of Dan to keep pummelling away at Auerbach because
he was the architect who put that team together. He outsmarted most
of the other GM's and saw talent where others didn't.
The Yankees, well, I think the same situation I outlined for the
Canadians holds true. If your good and you know it and you are faced
with the lure of playing in Yankee Stadium or Fenway Park in 1935,
where you gonna play?
Logic says that it was easier to maintain a dynasty years ago than
it is today. In some instances that is true. And I see your point,
I really do. But the Celtics were built by shrewd dealing to stay
ahead of the equity movement at the time and certainly lacked the
money to entice people.
I appreciate what the Yankees, Celtics and Canadians have done in
the past. It just pisses me off that "some" people will find a reason
to do-do on any accomplishment by any Boston team given the
aopportunity. For "some" people there has to be an asterisk after
every title a team from Boston won or any award a Boston athlete
achieves. I realize some of us Boston fans can get obnoxious but
this city does have a rich sports tradition and this selective
greatness is not accurate.
Rich
|
| 8.2048 | Here's to you Pat ! | CSC32::A_PARRACO | Ever step on a dead bee ? | Wed Jun 13 1990 17:06 | 14 |
|
Man, has this digressed ............... !
I'm personally demoralized that Riley won't be the Lakers coach
next year (and not too thrilled that we'll see him every Sunday
on NBC as the analyst - and then the playoffs !), and am really
ready for some more major personnel shake-ups .....
Did you see the look on Chick Hearn's face at the news conference,
he looked like he just lost his best friend .....
Here's to you Riles, you were the greatest in my book.
- The Doctor
|
| 8.2049 | Reserve Clause | SHALOT::HUNT | Send lawyers, guns, and money ... | Wed Jun 13 1990 17:07 | 13 |
| Don't forget, of course, that the Yankees and other teams way back then
could use the infamous "reserve clause" to their benefit.
This clause tied a player to a team for life. Thus, the "haves" like
the Yankees could stockpile huge reserves of talent and keep the "have
nots" from making much progress. Yes, they still had to find the
talent but once they found it, they could keep it forever and never
have to let it go via free agency.
This was one of the factors that helped the Yankees rule baseball for
so many years.
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.2050 | Dan, you cheched your oil lately? | CNTROL::CHILDS | Diggin the lawn 6/20 w/ the TWOS | Wed Jun 13 1990 17:16 | 8 |
|
John H. got to disagree with Russell having to adopt more offensive
philosphy to survive. Can you say Dennis Rodman? Besides Russell
could always score he had games of over 20 points on numerous
occassion and was used as a goto guy when the rest of the team was
struggling.
mike
|
| 8.2051 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | Funnier than the Bible! | Wed Jun 13 1990 17:19 | 8 |
|
I have to confess that I think ELEVEN Titles is just plain ridiculous!
Two Titles and one Acquisition should be enough for anyone!
GOD HATES OSTENTATION! REPENT, DEWDETTES! RETURN ALL EXTRANEOUS TITLES!
Mike JN
|
| 8.2052 | Reserved clause helped Yankees no more no less than any other team | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Takes 2 jerks to make a MilliVanilli. | Wed Jun 13 1990 17:19 | 16 |
| >Don't forget, of course, that the Yankees and other teams way back then
>could use the infamous "reserve clause" to their benefit.
True. And true, as you say, for other teams. In fact all teams, in
all leagues, in all professional team sports had the reserve clause in
the standard contracts. Baseball, I believe, was the only sport which
"won" (some might say bribed) the right in legal terms. The others
just followed suit.
Furthermore, you won't find many people more opposed to the reserved
clause than I am, or more in favor of player's rights.
To say the Yankees somehow used the reserve clause over and above other
teams in forging their dynasty is inaccurate.
"Some"_people
|
| 8.2053 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his Lips...Know New Taxes!! | Wed Jun 13 1990 17:39 | 10 |
| > <<< Note 8.2042 by ROCK::GRONOWSKI "the dream is always the same..." >>>
> -< denny, which bandwagon you on now? >-
> A "dynasty" yes, and what fan support through the 60's and 70's,
> huh?
Care to list all these 'bandwagons' I've been on? I'll be waiting, just
like last time.
And what does fan support have to do with it? I saw my share of games
during the 60's.
Denny
|
| 8.2054 | What I did say ... | SHALOT::HUNT | Send lawyers, guns, and money ... | Wed Jun 13 1990 17:59 | 17 |
| 8.2055 | So in the end, it doesn't really apply | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Takes 2 jerks 2 make 1 MVanilli. | Wed Jun 13 1990 18:11 | 33 |
| >Which is *not* what I said, of course. What I did say...
You brought it up in the context of a comparison between the Celtics of
the '50s and '60s and the Yankees of the '20s. It doesn't apply.
>Vastly different today, of course.
Yes, especially if we were to compare the Yankees of the '20s with the
A's of the early '70s.
FWIW, the Yankees main use of the reserve clause was during the George
Weiss years. Weiss was the GM of the Yankees from sometime in the '40s
until about 1960. He wielded the reserve clause like a sharp knife to
chisel his players from getting raises. No players, be they New York
Yankees, St. Louis Browns or Boston Celtics, really conceived of free
agency at the time as a tool to join a new team. They hated the
reserve clause for its ability to make them play for whatever the team
were offering. The only other choice was to sit out, which was
infrequently done, and could only be done by the true stars.
Also FWIW, their is little evidence to suggest that free agency has
done what the owners and their dupes have claimed- imbalance baseball.
Signing a free agent is a marginal proposition, which barely effects
any club. There is no doubt a club like the A's was decimated by it,
but that has been proven to be a rare case. The team which did this
study of free agency, and then for years opted to sign its true stars
to long contracts and abstain from the free agent market has recently
gone out and signed many dollars worth of free agents. Ironically, or
perhaps justly, they have a terrible record to show for it. The Royals
spent around $20 million dollars on free agents last winter and are
currently in last place in the AL West.
Dan
|
| 8.2057 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A knife,a fork,a bottle & a cork | Wed Jun 13 1990 19:08 | 11 |
| McHale easily.
Btw, they named the NBA all0-interview team today:
Magic
Jordan
Karl Malone
Kevin McHale
Charles Barkley
JD
|
| 8.2058 | Laimbeer's a close 2nd.... | SASE::SZABO | | Thu Jun 14 1990 10:44 | 6 |
| 8.2059 | < My 2 cents > | TRCO01::AHMED | | Thu Jun 14 1990 11:21 | 7 |
|
It is really to bad that a player of Magics calibre has to whine
so much. Durring the Suns series, he gave them several 5 on 4
opertunities just because he stayed on the offensive end of the
floor to whine. Another top class whiner is the Little Princess.
Nadeem
|
| 8.2060 | Russell would still be a great player. | TREND::COHEN | | Thu Jun 14 1990 12:16 | 10 |
|
One doesn't have to be a behemoth to be a rebounder (i.e. Bird, Lambeer, etc.)
or a defensive star (i.e. Rodman). 7.0 still seems to be around the top height
height of most "big" centers, so that hasn't changed from Russell's day.
Remember, Russell was also a track star, Can you say FAST BREAK. Considering
that 2/3 of the teams in the NBA don't have a traditional center, Russell would
be much more than a Buck Williams type. In fact, considering the diminishing
role of the "big" Center, he just might fit in better.
Bob
|
| 8.2061 | < Maybe a great player but not a great centre > | TRCO01::AHMED | | Thu Jun 14 1990 13:21 | 9 |
|
7.0 is not the top hight for most centres, let's try 7'7 Manute
Bol as the top Hight. There are quite a few guys at 7'2, and Mark
Eaton is dominating at 7'4. The way you describe Russel he sounds
like a power forward. i.e The Mailman or even a guy named Buck
Williams, gee .... I wonder if anybody thought of that.
Nadeem
|
| 8.2062 | | FSHQA1::JRODOPOULOS | | Thu Jun 14 1990 15:23 | 7 |
| NBA All Whiners:
Magic - MVP
Zeke the Geek (tm)
Laimbeer
Ainge - Only ex-Celtic
J. Paxson - just because I hate him
|
| 8.2063 | What was Wilt's height? | TREND::COHEN | | Thu Jun 14 1990 15:33 | 9 |
|
I said 7.0 as an average height. Bol and Eaton are aberations (in more ways
than one). Wilt was listed as 7.0, 7.1, 7.2? Certainly Russell was a
competitive center with him. 80% of rebounding has nothing to do with height.
How do Bird and Lambeer pull down double digit rebounds? Physical talent???
Your're right, Russell might be better suited as a forward, but considering his
other skills, I think he'd still pretty well as a center.
Bob
|
| 8.2064 | <<<>>> | TRCO01::AHMED | | Thu Jun 14 1990 16:08 | 17 |
|
< I said 7.0 as an avg>
You said TOP height.
<Bol and Eaton are aberations>
Wilt was 7.0. I believe.
And Wilt was considered an aberation in his day, much more than
Bol and Eaton are today.
Wherever Russ would play, probably put at power forward by his college
coach, he would display his great athletic ability as Wilt would
jam over his head (just kidding).
Nadeem
|
| 8.2065 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Thu Jun 14 1990 16:58 | 3 |
|
Wilt's height was always an estimate. He wouldn't let anyone measure
him.
|
| 8.2066 | | LUNER::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Thu Jun 14 1990 23:18 | 18 |
| re .2065
Hoot, Wilt did let a doctor measure him lying down (he mentioned
it in his autobiograph) - the body compresses slightly when standing
- and his height was 7' 1 and a small fraction of an inch.
Wilt was pretty sick of people treating him like a sideshow freak
("OmiGawd Martha, hide the kids !") because he happened to be tall,
so he never made a big deal over his height.
That's nothing unusual. I couple of years ago, I read that Bill
Walton was finaly measured , and he actually stands at 7'1", instead
of the 6'11" that he allowed the world to believe. Why ? He felt
that people 7'0" and over were classifed as freaks by people, often
unconsciously, so he shortchanged himself on purpose (pardon the
pun).
DrM
|
| 8.2067 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Fri Jun 15 1990 11:35 | 7 |
| Detroit became the 3rd NBA franchise to ever win back-to-back titles
with their win last night. The Lakers have won consecutive titles
3 times: 1949 and 1950, 1952, 1953 and 1954, and 1987 and 1988.
The Celtics have done it twice: 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964,
1965 and 1966, and 1968 and 1969.
John
|
| 8.2068 | | SASE::SZABO | | Fri Jun 15 1990 11:51 | 9 |
| 8.2069 | Drexler's stupid foul cost Blazers Game Five | 4159::NAZZARO | She came from Planet Claire | Fri Jun 15 1990 12:24 | 14 |
| In the 1966-67 season, Boston finished secondin the East with a
60-21 record, but they were eight games behind Philly. In the
semifinals of the East, the Celts beat NY 3-1 (best of five).
The the Eastern finals, Philadelphia won 4-1 (it was a 1-1-1-1-1-1-1
playoff format then, BTW).
I was watching last night's game with my 12 year old. When Portland
got up by seven with two minutes left, he got excited, saying Portland
has this game. I informed him it wasn't over yet, and that Detroit
knew how to win close games. I bet him the Pistons would pull it out.
Easy money. In betting, as in basketball, experience wins (even if it
was only a buck!).
NAZZ
|
| 8.2070 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | Just scream and jump | Fri Jun 15 1990 13:32 | 18 |
| 8.2071 | | CAM::WAY | Terminate with extreme prejudice | Fri Jun 15 1990 13:54 | 15 |
| 8.2072 | Makes you wonder | COMET::JACKSONTA | Play a mans sport | Fri Jun 15 1990 13:58 | 8 |
| I see Portland found a way to lose the game, not win. They did it in
all thier losses except game 3. The Pistons deserve what they got!!
I hear that there are alot of deaths with this championship. How
stupid are these people in Detroit?? Cutting up a news reporters
face, and rioting. Real intelligent!!!
T
|
| 8.2073 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | Just scream and jump | Fri Jun 15 1990 14:21 | 18 |
| I didn't hear about the Detriot fans getting carried away. Even so, I
would have a couple questions: 1) How many people are `usually' killed
in Detroit per night? (in other words, what's normal? I remember a
report citing ELEVEN accidents because McNichols Sports Arena and
Denver Mile High Stadium scheduled simultaneous events which coincided
with the tag end of the afternoon Rush Hour. Later it came out that
this was LOWER than the usual number of Rush Hour accidents). 2) What
was the News Reporter doing to provoke this type of reaction? My reason
for asking this is not necessarily because I condone violence, but
because I've seen reporters say and do things which would very easily
have gotten them killed in my old neighborhood, not just sliced up a
bit.
Note - I'm not saying Death and/or violence is justified. Just
wondering if everything is being kept in perspective. I wouldn't trust
the `unbiased' media any farther than I could drop kick a Tuna Boat.
Mike JN
|
| 8.2074 | Detroit has been in trouble for a long time | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Takes 2 jerks 2 make 1 MVanilli. | Fri Jun 15 1990 14:39 | 10 |
| Mike, I don't know anything yet about what went on in Detroit last
night, but I wouldn't be too quick to chalk it up as sensationalism.
After the Tigers won the '84 World Series, there was a celebration in
Detroit which developed into a full-scale riot. Places were burned,
looted, people killed etc, directly resulting after the WS win.
It's very unfortunate, and even sadder still if people think they have
to do it every time.
Dan
|
| 8.2075 | | CAM::WAY | Terminate with extreme prejudice | Fri Jun 15 1990 15:03 | 11 |
| 8.2076 | A few idiots ruin the championship celebration | CIM::BROWN | | Fri Jun 15 1990 15:04 | 15 |
|
As someone who lives in the Detroit area I am very embarrassed at how
a few idiots can ruin a good night for Pistons fans. Most of the
celebrating I saw televised last night were people honking horns and
a lot of excitement. I wake up in the morning and turn on the news.
I find out that a street gang attacks a news reporters car and breaks
the glass causing cuts to her face she is hospitalized. The gang also
tried to turn her car over.
Only in Detroit can you have a few idiots ruin the image of the City
and also have 21,000+ fans pay $3 to watch the game on television.
All proceeds for each of the games being televised on Palace vision
went to charity.
\pjb
|
| 8.2077 | | CAM::WAY | Terminate with extreme prejudice | Fri Jun 15 1990 15:14 | 11 |
| Thanks for the other side of the coin, Phil.
Since I know a lot of you guys out there, I know that you can't
*all* be bad 8^)
But seriously, it does seem that the small few "bad apples" really
have a horrific effect on the rest of the barrel....
For my money, I can't wait till we have a champeenship in Hartford 8^)
'Saw
|
| 8.2078 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Fri Jun 15 1990 15:18 | 6 |
| Mike JN,
I really meant consecutive titles.
The 'Police
|
| 8.2079 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | The killer awoke before dawn... | Fri Jun 15 1990 15:30 | 9 |
|
BTW, the world record for drop-kicking a tuna boat is not
internationally recognized (i.e., it has a_asterick next to it)
because it was not a dolphin-safe tuna boat.
-Charlie the Tuna, esquire, who's going free agent this year and
has a whopping offer from Chicken-of-the-Sea.
|
| 8.2080 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | The killer awoke before dawn... | Fri Jun 15 1990 15:36 | 8 |
|
As another aside, the Pistons, Lions, Tigers and Red Wings winning
their respective League Championships in a single year is listed
in the Book of Revelations as one of the signs hearalding the end
of the world. Fortunately, this does not appear likely.
Dickster
|
| 8.2081 | Detroit teams will not signal end of the world | CIM::BROWN | | Fri Jun 15 1990 16:00 | 14 |
|
re. -1
The Tigers in '84 was a big boost for Detroit sports fans. We
had the Lions aka Pontiac Pussycats, the Red Wings aka Dead Things.
Thank goodness we won't have to worry about the end of the world
because when one team rises to the top the other 3 will always be
there to disappoint us. Notice Tigers of last year and Red Wings
of this year.
\pjb
|
| 8.2082 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | LegitimateSportingPurpose?E.S.A.D.! | Fri Jun 15 1990 16:02 | 11 |
| 8.2083 | In the name of "celebration" :-( | BUILD::MORGAN | | Fri Jun 15 1990 16:06 | 3 |
| There were something like 7 deaths, including a 4-year old boy.
Steve
|
| 8.2084 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | Play a mans sport | Fri Jun 15 1990 16:47 | 7 |
| I hope nothing like this happens if the Broncos ever win the big
one. Lord knows it will be very "rowdy"!!
I hope you folks in Detroit didn't take what I said personally,
because it was directed towards the idiots, not "real" people.
Tim
|
| 8.2085 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Fri Jun 15 1990 17:59 | 2 |
|
No need to worry, Tim. THAT will never happen in our lifetime.
|
| 8.2086 | Sam Jones would've begged *for* the ball... | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money | Mon Jun 18 1990 15:41 | 13 |
| 8.2087 | Not the full story, /Don. Be fair. | SHALOT::HUNT | Send lawyers, guns, and money ... | Mon Jun 18 1990 16:01 | 19 |
| C'mon, Slasher, that's taken completely out of context and you know it.
The excerpts from Strom's book leave no doubt that Chamberlain did not
want the ball thrown in to him because he was the brutally obvious
first choice for the pass and would be double or triple teamed by the
Celtics' defense.
Chamberlain wanted to be used as a decoy to attract defenders and leave
someone else w-i-d-e open for a shot. Hence, the inbounds pass to Hal
Greer that John Havlicek stole for all immortality.
If the Holy Green Sweat Socks were on the other end of that particular
famous event ("Greer stole the ball ..." ???), you would no doubt wish
to see the events portrayed accurately no matter how many years had
gone by.
Wouldn't you ???
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.2088 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money | Mon Jun 18 1990 16:14 | 4 |
| I dunno Bob, that's not the way I heard it. Have to wait for
the book to come out.
/Don
|
| 8.2089 | Mike tags in ;^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | Diggin the lawn 6/20 w/ the TWOS | Mon Jun 18 1990 16:21 | 10 |
|
Sorry Bob, but that doesn't wash. I can't see Magic, Bird, Michael, Kareen,
Dr J. or Barkley asking to be a decoy. Also shouldn't a low post player
want the ball figuring even if he misses he goes to the line. Then again
Wilt did suck at the line....Also as I recall from Childhood memory Wilt
was pretty unstoppable that night. I mean Johnny Most was already talking
about how the championship streak was coming to an end cause all Philly
had to do was get the ball to Wilt.....
mike
|
| 8.2090 | | CAM::WAY | Terminate with extreme prejudice | Mon Jun 18 1990 16:24 | 6 |
| But what a call huh?
That has to be one of the immortal sports calls of all time, ranking
right up there with "The Giants win the pennant"....
'Saw
|
| 8.2091 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Mon Jun 18 1990 16:28 | 5 |
|
Who heard what, there were probably only a handful of fans in the
stands at the Garden for the game... all those championships and the
sellouts didn't start until Bird arrived. What fan support! What
fan support?
|
| 8.2092 | | LUNER::BRAKE | A Question of Balance | Mon Jun 18 1990 16:33 | 11 |
| re 2091
What rock have you been living under? The Celtics averaged about
10,500 a game during the regular season and sold the Garden out
for the playoffs every year. Get your facks straight, OK. And, for
someone who supports the Indians with their 8,000-10,000 a game
attendence, it seems a little strange that you would make that kind
of remark.
Rich
|
| 8.2093 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money | Mon Jun 18 1990 16:48 | 5 |
| Back in the pre-fire law days they used to back in 17K to 18K
for playoff games. And Bob Hunt I would rue the day when someone
said I was "fair". Ugh! Might as well call me a soccer fan!
/Don
|
| 8.2094 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his Lips...Know New Taxes!! | Mon Jun 18 1990 17:07 | 2 |
| The Injuns had some 3-digit crowds even during the 80's.
Denny (who's still waiting)
|
| 8.2095 | "Red farts. Smells like Roses. Film @ 11." | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Takes 2 jerks 2 make 1 MVanilli. | Mon Jun 18 1990 17:31 | 5 |
| Hey Bob, when /Don is talking Celtics, he has the same respect for the
truth that a baby has for diapers. Never expect the whole story when
it distracts from the Celtic legend...
Dan
|
| 8.2096 | | LUNER::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Mon Jun 18 1990 17:51 | 11 |
|
re .2092
Hard to believe Rich, but Gronowski is right. The C's avergaed only
about 8,500 during the dynasty years. The mega-sellout streak didn't
come until Bird showed up ... Russell mentioned the same thing in
his book, how the C's played to 1/2 empty houses a lot, while the
Broons were filling Garden, often with weak teams.
Russell had a few theories, but I won't start a rathole ....
|
| 8.2097 | | LUNER::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Mon Jun 18 1990 17:54 | 9 |
| And let's not forget that Mr Strom was quite a spineless one in
the Garden himself ....
One would think that in the 2 decades since, one of Wilt's teammates
would have told this story, right ?
Finally, Greer (the intended recipiant of the inbounds pass) was
the game's leading scorer with 28 points. Not a bad option to go
to .... you can look it up /FungusFan ....
|
| 8.2098 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Mon Jun 18 1990 17:54 | 3 |
|
Doc, this isn't the same Russell that said if he had to do it all
over again, he'd rather not have played in Boston? That Russell?
|
| 8.2099 | | LUNER::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Mon Jun 18 1990 17:57 | 7 |
| Yup, that Russell .... BILL Russell .....
I can't wait to see the FungusFanhood scramble to refute that .....
Doc
p.s. That was a fast reply Paul ...
|
| 8.2100 | FYI : A recent blurb in the Globe said the same thing about the C's ... | LUNER::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Mon Jun 18 1990 17:57 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.2101 | DrM: What was wrong with his note .2100 was that ii | ITASCA::SHAUGHNESSY | The opposite of Macho is Bimbo | Mon Jun 18 1990 18:15 | 6 |
| re .2100
Typical Midnight. Strong, assertive start not brought to any
conlusion.
MrT
|
| 8.2102 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Mon Jun 18 1990 18:27 | 3 |
|
MrT NOTY 1990!
|
| 8.2103 | | LUNER::BROOKS | By Any Means Neccessary - Any At All | Mon Jun 18 1990 20:03 | 8 |
| Correction :
The legendary apathy of C-minus fans was chronicled in this month's
SPORT magazine :
"During their dynasty, in which they won 11 championships in 13
years (1957-1969), the Boston Celtics drew an average crowd of only
**8,000** at the Boston Garden, leaving more than 5,500 empty seats."
|
| 8.2104 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | Sixers=Atlantic Div Champs | Mon Jun 18 1990 20:58 | 21 |
|
Strom had a press conference after game 4 and had alot to say on the
state of the game. Among other things he said:
"There aren't ten guys playing that can set a legal pick."
"There's no need for three officials."
He also said that he thought that there should be a no foul out rule in
the NBA. He said that he thinks the younger officials don't have a clue
on how to call the game and are too easily intimidated by the home
court.
re: Wilt
Earl said Wilt didn't want the ball because he knew he would be
immediately fouled, and he knew that he was a terrible free throw
shooter.
Dennis
|
| 8.2105 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Tue Jun 19 1990 02:09 | 11 |
| And perhaps you'd like to chronicle attendance around the NBA at the time?
Stop telling half a story in yet another feeble attempt to undermine the
Celtics.
Perhaps you'd like to point out that during the Celtics dynasty, the NBA had
barely been born on television. They had only a few games televised. The
fledgeling ABA had teams fold regularly due to lack of attendance.
How about some average attendance figures for other teams around the league?
Of how about just hitting next unseen when you see the word "Celtics" so we
don't need to follow your drivel around the conference.
|
| 8.2106 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his Lips...Know New Taxes!! | Tue Jun 19 1990 09:38 | 4 |
| Notice how these guys aren't dumping on Chris ford anymore? Could it
be because the once mighty Lakers have gone and hired the
multi-talented Mike Dunleavy?
Denny
|
| 8.2107 | Quite a bit more than 8,000, but don't let facks confuse you! | 4159::NAZZARO | Boston Shootout: June 22-24 | Tue Jun 19 1990 10:04 | 22 |
| The 8,000 figure is incorrect (what a surprise!).
Here are the attendance figures from 1957 through 1969:
1957 - 10,517
1958 - 8,308
1959 - 8,156
1960 - 7,755
1961 - 7,199
1962 - 6,852
1963 - 8,753
1964 - 7,445
1965 - 8,318
1966 - 7,941
1967 - 10,409
1968 - 8,670
1969 - 8,948
TOTAL: 119,271
AVERAGE ATTENDANCE, 1957-1969: 9,175
NAZZ
|
| 8.2108 | Do you know do you know do you know | CNTROL::CHILDS | Diggin the lawn 6/20 w/ the TWOS | Tue Jun 19 1990 10:21 | 15 |
|
Doc, no need to obstucate. We all know that Basthan was extremely bias
at the time and Russell being a man of conviction hated it. To his credit
he was able to play through it unlike today's pampered stars that would
scream and cry for a trade or not produce to force that trade. The Celtics
managment to their credit (the meany Red) wasn't bias and went out and
got the best athletes and won and won and won and won and won and won....
No need to address the attendence stuff as Jeff and Nazz have handle it nicely
thank you, but being one who also loves to ~/~ let me ask you annd Paul
to explain please why the Sixers with Moses, Dr J. Cheeks etc during the
height of the NBA popularity couldn't sellout playoff games never mind
regular season??????
mike
|
| 8.2109 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money | Tue Jun 19 1990 10:49 | 11 |
| Doc, do you really believe that during the late 50's and 60's
there was any city in the US that was free of racial predjudice?
I don't think so. In his book "Go Up for Glory" Russell tells the
story of how Elgin Baylor couldn't find anywhere to live or rent
when he played for L.A. But to say racial predjudice was the *only*
reason the Garden didn't sell out doesn't wash. Basketball was
not the popular sport it would eventually be. But the tradeoff
was you could go see a game anytime you wanted. And despite what
Dan is peddling there were some great players and teams back then.
/Don
|
| 8.2110 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Tue Jun 19 1990 11:17 | 6 |
|
There's still the matter that the LA Clippers actually are the original
Boston Celtics... so I guess that makes you all bandwagon jumpers...
huh?
|
| 8.2111 | Baseball and college hoops rule in Philly | SHALOT::HUNT | Send lawyers, guns, and money ... | Tue Jun 19 1990 11:44 | 16 |
| The Sixers don't sell out in Philadelphia for two very legitimate
reasons ...
1) Philadelphia is a baseball town. The Phillies are kings. April or
May 1981. A Sunday afternoon seventh game against the Milwaukee Bucks
at the Spectrum. 6,000 or so show up. Across the street at The Vet,
the Phillies were playing the Cubs in a routine, early-season Sunday
series-ending, getaway game. 35,000 in the seats. Case closed.
2) Philadelphia is a college basketball town. The "Big 5". Villanova,
Penn, Temple, St. Joseph's, La Salle. Always been a college hoops
town. The coaches that have come from Philly: Jack Ramsey, Jack
McKinney, Jimmy Lynam, Jack Kraft, Harry Litwack, Chuck Daly, Dick
Harter, and on and on ...
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.2112 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | The killer awoke before dawn... | Tue Jun 19 1990 12:06 | 10 |
|
> TOTAL: 119,271
> AVERAGE ATTENDANCE, 1957-1969: 9,175
My handy-dandy desk calculator comes up with a total of 109,272,
for an average of 8,405.
Dickster
|
| 8.2113 | No doubt that Philadelphia is a great sports town. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Jun 19 1990 12:08 | 7 |
| No need to apologize for not selling out NBA games in my opinion Bob.
Philadelphia fans are obviously intelligent, opting for baseball and
college hoops above the boring, pre-fabricated, made-for-TV, (but
nevertheless FANtastic!) NBA.
- ACC Chris (born in Philadelphia - Germantown actually)
|
| 8.2114 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Tue Jun 19 1990 12:09 | 2 |
|
The 9,175 figure is incorrect? What a surprise!
|
| 8.2115 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Diggin the lawn 6/20 w/ the TWOS | Tue Jun 19 1990 12:31 | 7 |
|
Thanks for the answers Bob but they weren't necessary it was just a jab
back at the Doc and Paul who have jumped all over the C's lack of attendence.
you know one good shot deserves another....
mike
|
| 8.2116 | Big trade imminent? | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Tue Jun 19 1990 13:24 | 17 |
| Golly, guys, I hate to break into this fascinating discussion of
Celtics' attendance in the 1960s, but there was an interesting item
on this morning's news. It was reported that Atlanta is going to
trade Dominique and their first-rounder for New Jersey's first overall
pick. Atlanta will use the pick to take Dennis Scott.
Sounds to me like NJ is continuing is nearly uninterrupted streak of
moronic moves. Dominique is probably the most overrated player in the
NBA. Then again, the draft is fairly deep this year, so NJ may get a
good player in Atlanta's spot (10th or 11th?).
This leave Seattle in a spot, if it comes to pass. Will they take
the consensus best player available (Coleman) or the point guard they
so desperately need? I am fully confident they will do the most
cretinous thing imaginable.
Pete
|
| 8.2117 | Coleman will burn up the NBA. Nobody should pass him by. | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | GeorgeForeman-NextHEAVYweightChamp | Tue Jun 19 1990 13:58 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.2118 | Wait and see ... | SHALOT::HUNT | Send lawyers, guns, and money ... | Tue Jun 19 1990 14:04 | 14 |
| Derrick Coleman will burn up the NBA ??
Just like all the other Syracuse stars ???
Let's see ... We've got Louis Orr, Roosevelt Bouie, Leo Rautins, Pearl
Washington, and so on ...
Rony Seikaly and Sherman Douglas have gotten off to good starts so far.
Both were under-rated and thus overlooked in the draft.
The higher the hype on a Syracuse player, the lower the results, it
sure seems ...
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.2119 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue Jun 19 1990 14:07 | 14 |
|
Unbelievable!
The Nuggets reportedly (ESPN) are going to offer the Stomper their
GM job! The new owners have pulled some monumental boneheaded moves
but this takes the cake. They were reportedly interested in the guy
from Philly, Nash(?), but he signed with someone else the other day.
I forget who. ESPN said Denver would hire him then fire Doug Moe so
the Stomper could hire whoever he wanted. The local media is saying
the Stopmer is expected to stay at G-town. I sure hope so! If they hire
him, you can count me as an ex-Nugget fan.
HOOT
|
| 8.2120 | go for it | CNTROL::CHILDS | Diggin the lawn 6/20 w/ the TWOS | Tue Jun 19 1990 14:22 | 6 |
|
Hoot, according to Dick Vitale in USA today he's going to take it. The deal's
just too sweat. 700K a year for 4 years and 4% ownership of the team. I hope
he takes it. If he does, you want joing the Jihad? ;^)
mike
|
| 8.2121 | Stomper might be a good G.M. He knows talent. | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | GeorgeForeman-NextHEAVYweightChamp | Tue Jun 19 1990 14:23 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.2122 | | ITASCA::SHAUGHNESSY | The opposite of Macho is Bimbo | Tue Jun 19 1990 14:32 | 17 |
| re: 'Nique to New Joisey
I like this deal on two levels:
1. The Nuts have a long and proud history of doing whatever it takes
to maintain the franchise's rich tradition of submediocrity. Hiring
a useless ballhog one dimensional flick like Wilkins, at the cost of
a first round pick yet, should keep the Nuts buried for quite some
time.
2. The New York TV market is very important to the NBA's image. So
what could be better than having there a guy whose only skill is
slam-dunking should be a real boon for the league.
I mean, the slam-dunk *is* the very essence of this great game, right?
MrT
|
| 8.2123 | The Larry Bird Church Of Latter Day Wagon Jumpers | EARRTH::BROOKS | Homie The Clown don't play that ! | Tue Jun 19 1990 14:59 | 8 |
| re .2115
No MIke, I jumped on the numbers because it proves beyound a shadow
of a doubt that in fact many so-called long time Celtwit fans who
invoke the names of the 60's, are in fack, nothing more than mega
bandwagon-jumpers !
And y'all have the nerve to accuse me .... HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!
|
| 8.2124 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Homie The Clown don't play that ! | Tue Jun 19 1990 15:05 | 37 |
|
re Slasher,
Slasher, **Russell** made the comments not I. He pointed out that
while the C's played to a 1/3 empty house, the Burins sold out
consistently at the Garden, often with some really weak teams.
He felt that there was a quiet backlash against the relatively
integreated Celtics. Frankly, I found all of this a little hard
to believe, but then even Red used to take shots at how the media
tended to deify Cousy at Russell's expense.
Don't shoot the messgener ....
I find it kind of ironic actually. The Celtics (in contrast to their
image today) were racial groundbreakers :
- Drafting the first black player (Chuck Cooper)
- Putting and starting 5 black players on the court at once.
- Having the 1st black head coach (Russell).
In additon, from what I understand, much of that was due to Walter
Brown, who had a lot of personal conviction, and was willing to
lose money to stand behind principle (how many owners would do that
today ?) - to the point of kicking Abe Saperstein out of the Garden
after he drafted Cooper. He probably deserves at least as much credit
as Auerbach for what Boston accomplished.
BTW Don, I've lived in the West, South, and now East Coast (in that
order), and I've seen and experienced racism in each location. Don't
think I'm naive Slasher. I won't start a rathole by talking about
this much further (send me mail), but Boston has a image of being
a liberal town, hence when incidents of racism are shown, the hypocricy
between the image and the reality combines to make Boston look worse
than it might be, IMO.
Doc
|
| 8.2125 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Tue Jun 19 1990 15:35 | 9 |
|
DrM, we may even be on the same side of this discussion... Hard
to believe huh?
This is one of my favorites, must be one of yours also... listening
to people who say, "Yeah, i've been on the waiting list for season
tickets for 15 years..." Right, they didn't even sell out 15 years
ago!!!!
|
| 8.2126 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Tue Jun 19 1990 15:44 | 31 |
| Doc, I have to agree with you about the racism in Boston. I think
many people around the country were shocked at what happened in
Boston when busing came in 15 years ago. The liberal image of greater
Boston comes from its many universities, particularly Harvard.
Greater Boston in general and Boston in particular tends to be clannish
and provincial, suspicious of outsiders.
The people who pushed solutions such as busing are the same people
from the Harvard Square area who got a day care center, mostly minority
kids, out of their neighborhood because it would be detremental
to the area. Something even worse is in there now but I don't know
what. And if the people from around Boston really cared about the
school kids in the city, then their schools would be part of the
busing solution instead of having to force Boston to go it alone.
I also agree that the vast majority of Celtics fans are new to the
Celtics in the last 10 years, the team was badly undersupported
and underappreciated during its glory years, the fan support seems
soft nowadays and I want to see just what happens to ticket sales
when Larry Bird retires. NBA attendance has improved greatly in
the eighties and in order to do a meaningful attendance comparison,
we need all the teams average attendance vs capacity for the years
in question. Also, the Bruins had been around for 20 years before
the Celtics had even started and 30 years before the Celtics got
good, so they'd had a longer time to win the hearts and minds of
the local populace.
Lack of fan support can't be used as a means of denigrating the
Celtics achievements.
John
|
| 8.2127 | Gavitt's 63rd choice - Chris Ford | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Takes 2 jerks 2 make 1 MVanilli. | Tue Jun 19 1990 15:51 | 7 |
| > Notice how these guys aren't dumping on Chris ford anymore?
You want me to dump on Chris Ford? I'll dump on Chris Ford.
Well Boston, you got your loser!! Have fun, I know I will.
Dan
|
| 8.2128 | Nique and Fitch? ha-ha-ha | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Takes 2 jerks 2 make 1 MVanilli. | Tue Jun 19 1990 15:56 | 7 |
| >It was reported that Atlanta is going to
>trade Dominique and their first-rounder for New Jersey's first overall
>pick. Atlanta will use the pick to take Dennis Scott.
Quick. Someone get me some smelling salts....
Dan
|
| 8.2129 | A little overboard in the criticism, eh? | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Takes 2 jerks 2 make 1 MVanilli. | Tue Jun 19 1990 16:00 | 16 |
| >Let's see ... We've got Louis Orr, Roosevelt Bouie, Leo Rautins, Pearl
>Washington, and so on ...
>Rony Seikaly and Sherman Douglas have gotten off to good starts so far.
>Both were under-rated and thus overlooked in the draft.
>The higher the hype on a Syracuse player, the lower the results, it
>sure seems ...
In that first group of NBA duds, I don't remember any of them receiving
extraordinary hype. Perhaps Pearl, but everyone knew he was a year too
soon.
Coleman is the first Syracuser to come out with these expectations.
Dan
|
| 8.2130 | Is there such a thing as an anti-dynasty? | TREND::COHEN | | Tue Jun 19 1990 17:36 | 6 |
|
My hats off to the NETS. Someone has to be the leagues whipping boy.
I think Wilkens will add a lot of balance to the Net's attack.
Bob
|
| 8.2131 | burnin' the midnight oil | UPWARD::HEISER | | Wed Jun 20 1990 01:30 | 1 |
| glad to see I didn't miss anything interesting in here today
|
| 8.2132 | | STRATA::CAPPEL | Hey Baseball, GET A REAL JOB | Wed Jun 20 1990 13:34 | 6 |
| Dan,
Leo Rautins was a first round pick and was called the 'white' man's
version of Magic Johnson. He was very hyped coming out of school..
Cap who lived in western ny at the time....
|
| 8.2133 | Low first round pick, I think. '81? | WNDMLL::SCHNEIDER | Takes 2 jerks 2 make 1 MVanilli. | Wed Jun 20 1990 14:31 | 9 |
| >Leo Rautins was a first round pick and was called the 'white' man's
>version of Magic Johnson. He was very hyped coming out of school..
But did the NBA regard him like that? Where was he picked in the
draft? I don't think many NBA scouts and GMs were regarding Rautins
anywhere near #1 caliber in the draft, which is why I debate the
comparison with Coleman.
Dan
|
| 8.2134 | Rautins a bust | SHALOT::HUNT | Send lawyers, guns, and money ... | Wed Jun 20 1990 14:41 | 8 |
| Leo Rautins was the 1982 or 1983 first round pick of the Philadelphia
76ers. He was the 11th player taken overall and he never made it
through the Sixers training camp.
Believe me, I don't believe the Syracuse hype machine after that
episode. What a waste ...
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.2135 | <My memory must be shot> | TRCA03::AHMED | | Wed Jun 20 1990 14:58 | 7 |
|
Are you sure Bob, I thought Leo played for 2 years in the NBA, mostly
on the pine and then went to Europe. I'm not sure but I do remember
seing him on the court.
Nadeem
|
| 8.2136 | | STRATA::CAPPEL | Hey Baseball, GET A REAL JOB | Wed Jun 20 1990 15:45 | 3 |
| I believe he got cut during training camp as well.... I know he
played in the CBA for awhile.....
|
| 8.2137 | The life of Riley | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus @PCO,321-5183 | Wed Jun 20 1990 18:16 | 1 |
| It's official--Pat Riley will be an NBC announcer next year.
|
| 8.2138 | What a waste ! | FRSBEE::BROOKS | Homie The Clown don't play that ! | Wed Jun 20 1990 21:00 | 4 |
|
The Sixers were set to draft Drexler, but Portland, one or two spots
above them in the 83 draft, took Clyde, so Philly took Rautins.
He played one season in Philly, and was history.
|
| 8.2139 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | GeorgeForeman-NextHEAVYweightChamp | Thu Jun 21 1990 09:47 | 4 |
| Actually Riley is going to be the studio host. Look for Daly
to cash in on his back to back titles and be the courtside analyst.
/Don
|
| 8.2140 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his Lips...Know New Taxes!! | Thu Jun 21 1990 09:55 | 9 |
| Riley was on Letterman last night. He said he didn't want the 'color'
job because the haidphones would mess up his hair. By being on the
anchor desk he gits to wear just an earpiece. Dave also asked him what
he put on his hair, "Daily cement treatments" quipped Riles. Dave
refused an invitation to touch the stuff though. He said "You might
consider yourself part of the NBC family now, but I'm not getting that
close".
Denny
|
| 8.2141 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Thong salesmen are crack dealers | Thu Jun 21 1990 10:38 | 8 |
|
The last time Riley went swimming at Malibu, shore birds and sea
otters washed up dead on the beach from his oil slick. The EPA
has since banned him from coastal areas, saying his hair makes the
Exxon Valdez look like a can of 3-in-1(tm).
Dickster
|
| 8.2142 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Homie The Clown don't play that ! | Thu Jun 21 1990 11:19 | 4 |
| re -.1
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA !
|
| 8.2143 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his Lips...Know New Taxes!! | Thu Jun 21 1990 19:37 | 2 |
| Good P-name Dock, that was some funny stuff, eh?
Denny
|
| 8.2144 | Heard it before 1st coffee so details are so-so | WFOV11::MORRISON | A Haney physique...Mr Haney | Fri Jun 22 1990 11:18 | 6 |
|
"Fat" Lever was traded to the Dallas Mavericks for (and it gets
hazy here) 2 draft picks. A 1st rounder this year and next year?
Bull~
|
| 8.2145 | | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Paul Yankowskas | Fri Jun 22 1990 11:29 | 6 |
| re Bull,
That's correct. The first rounder this year is the 9th pick overall.
py
|
| 8.2146 | Originally a Piston's pick | CIM::BROWN | | Fri Jun 22 1990 11:40 | 5 |
|
The first round pick that Dallas gave up was the one the Pistons
used in the Aguirre- Dantley deal.
/pjb
|
| 8.2147 | wish the Celts had made an offer for him | CNTROL::CHILDS | Reckless Driving on Dirty Backroads | Fri Jun 22 1990 11:49 | 7 |
|
I know it's still probably early but us Rotissere folks got to know
Dallas' masterplan. Who starts and who's the third guard. Harper,
Blackman and Fats give them the best three guard rotation this side
of Detroit.....
mike
|
| 8.2149 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Fri Jun 22 1990 13:40 | 23 |
|
And the Nugget bonehead moves continue.
Sure he's been around 8 years but he is one of the best in the league.
So they get the 9th pick. Big deal. They need a top big man. They won't
get it with the 9th pick in this draft. Wanna bet they pick a guard to
replace Lever? The other pick is Detroit's 1st rounder next year. That
is sure to be at the end of the round where, again, they won't get a
player the calibre of Lever. Now all they need to do is bring in the
Stomper and they will be assured of a couple of lottery picks over the
next few years.
These latest moves sure make one wonder about the rumors that were
going around when they were sold to those two clowns about a year ago.
The rumor then was that the now ex-owner moved to Memphis and was going
to build a new arena while the Nuggets new owners would run the
franchise into the ground causing the not so impressive attendance
figures to plummet and eventually moving the franchise to Memphis.
The first part, running the franchise into the ground, is right on
course.
HOOT
|
| 8.2150 | | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Jun 22 1990 14:36 | 17 |
| Agreed Hoot. Sounds mighty suspicious. Also the fact that Denver
would make a major move like this just prior to hiring a guy who
they're supposedly going to give free reign of the franchise. Yea,
right.
Must admit though Denver doesn't strike me as a real hot hoops town.
When me and Dan saw the Nuggets play there was a pretty sparse crowd on
hand. (My excessive cheering for Walter Davis, who pumped in game-high
numbers, was causing quite a stir. That crowd was purty quiet...)
Anyway my hypothesis of Denver not being a great hoops town was
confirmed when, with 30 seconds or so to go and the score of the game
seperated by a point or two, much of the crowd started filing out!
No, not a great hoops town...
- ACC Chris
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| 8.2151 | He's Worth More!!! | CSCOA5::SIMMONS_M | | Fri Jun 22 1990 14:50 | 7 |
| It doesnt surprize me that Denver made a trade at point in time. What
does surprize me is that all they got in return for Lever was 9th pick
in the draft for one of the best guards around. As far as Detroit's 1st
rounder next year that's no worth that much (IMO).
Mike
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| 8.2152 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Fri Jun 22 1990 16:29 | 10 |
| >> I know it's still probably early but us Rotissere folks got to know
>>Dallas' masterplan. Who starts and who's the third guard. Harper,
>>Blackman and Fats give them the best three guard rotation this side
>>of Detroit.....
I trust Lever will see more than a little time at small forward or as part of a
3-guard offense (something he's quite familiar with from Denver). I'll wager
all three will find themselves over 32 minutes per game.
j.
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| 8.2153 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Fri Jun 22 1990 18:44 | 10 |
|
I just heard from a co-worker that Miami has traded the 3rd pick in
the draft to Denver for their 2 1st round picks, the 9th (from Dallas for
Lever) and the 15th.
Any confirmation from CXO???
JimH
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| 8.2154 | | CSCOA3::ROLLINS_R | | Fri Jun 22 1990 20:11 | 1 |
| Confirmed on the news here in Atlanta.
|
| 8.2155 | Atlanta - NJ trade: fact or fiction? | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Fri Jun 22 1990 20:18 | 8 |
| re: last
Did I miss it, or was the Dominique trade I reported the rumor on
just a hoax? From the report I heard on the radio, it sounded like
the deal was complete.
Pete
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| 8.2156 | | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Fri Jun 22 1990 21:01 | 5 |
| Yes please if anyone can confirm this trade I would appreciate it.
thanks
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| 8.2158 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Reckless Driving on Dirty Backroads | Mon Jun 25 1990 08:57 | 16 |
| <<< Note 8.2157 by CNTROL::CHILDS "Reckless Driving on Dirty Backroads" >>>
-< Not that I'd ever trade "fats" >-
John Thompson as most probably know right now decide to stay at Georgetown..
Hoot can stiff root for the Nuggets and I know the pipeline of talent to the
university will not be broken. sniff sniff....
Jeff, I was think that they may use the three guard but they do have their
share of big men to get minutes for if Tarp stay clean and what about White?
He's got get some minutes this year or else it sure looks like they wasted
their no. 1 last year and less of course he's on the block?
mike
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| 8.2159 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Mon Jun 25 1990 13:31 | 10 |
| >>Jeff, I was think that they may use the three guard but they do have their
>>share of big men to get minutes for if Tarp stay clean and what about White?
Nice sentence, Mike :-). According to Jackie MacMullan in yesterday's Globe,
Lever has been told he won't be starting. And now that I think about it, Lever
has all the tools to be the perfect sixth man. What better player to have come
off the bench and take advantage of the second team than a guy who can rebound,
pass, steal, and score.
j.
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| 8.2160 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Mon Jun 25 1990 13:36 | 2 |
|
Thank you Stomper!
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| 8.2161 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | LegitimateSportingPurpose?E.S.A.D.! | Mon Jun 25 1990 13:48 | 9 |
| 8.2162 | no excuse either I already had my coffee... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Reckless Driving on Dirty Backroads | Mon Jun 25 1990 14:46 | 17 |
| 8.2163 | oh yeah, thanks for the info Jeff | CNTROL::CHILDS | Reckless Driving on Dirty Backroads | Mon Jun 25 1990 14:48 | 0 |
| 8.2164 | More trade rumors | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Tue Jun 26 1990 12:45 | 8 |
| On ESPN Sportcenter last night, they said that Seattle and Boston were
"whispering" about a deal for McHale. Any speculation out there on
what they're talking about?
I shudder to think what Bob "Let's Make a Deal" Whitsitt (Sonics prez)
is considering.
Pete
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| 8.2165 | | REFINE::ASHE | You can touch THIS... | Tue Jun 26 1990 14:40 | 7 |
| 8.2166 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | GeorgeForeman-NextHEAVYweightChamp | Tue Jun 26 1990 15:56 | 1 |
| Walt, great sense of humor. Laimbeer in a Boston uniform. HAHAHAHAHA.
|
| 8.2167 | | FDCV07::GARBARINO | flagburningatA.L.Post,c'mondown | Tue Jun 26 1990 17:44 | 5 |
| > On ESPN Sportcenter last night, they said that Seattle and Boston were
> "whispering" about a deal for McHale. Any speculation out there on
> what they're talking about?
I heard it was McHale for Barros and the #2 pick in the draft.
|
| 8.2168 | Good thinking, Sonics! | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Tue Jun 26 1990 18:10 | 7 |
| Thanks for the info. I'm weeping into my keyboard right now.
If the Sonics make this deal, and Whitsitt doesn't get fired, I
might have to wait outside the Soops offices with a sawed-off
shotgun and a burning effigy of Brad Sellers.
Pete
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| 8.2169 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | M.JACKSONMR.POTATOHEADSET | Tue Jun 26 1990 18:34 | 12 |
| Pete,
The rumour I heard was McHale, Shaw and the Celts #1 pick for the
#2, Barros and someone else (Cage perhaps...)
I don't think they will make the deal. My opinion is that any deal
the Sonics will make will be swapping the #2 for a later pick (still
top 10) and a player. I heard Miami is interested in the #2 pick,
and might trade their #1 along with a warm body plus a #2 pick,
but who knows.....
JD
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| 8.2170 | | UPWARD::HEISER | | Tue Jun 26 1990 21:37 | 3 |
| I thought Vinnie Johnson was a free agent?
Anyone in here from San Diego? Are you hiring? ;-)
|
| 8.2171 | | RSST6::RIGGEN | Burley from biking | Wed Jun 27 1990 12:45 | 3 |
| Nice p_name Mike.
Remember it's a dry heat.
|
| 8.2172 | | UPWARD::HEISER | | Wed Jun 27 1990 13:41 | 42 |
| 8.2173 | | CAM::WAY | Snakebit | Wed Jun 27 1990 13:56 | 15 |
| 8.2175 | Just the opposite, I think... | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | Just do it! | Wed Jun 27 1990 15:09 | 8 |
| I think it's just the opposite. Cold air is denser, hense more lift
for the wings. The hotter the air, the thinner, so they no grab mon.
So does DEC have covered parking at PNO Mike? Hope you don't own
a black car! We are talking serious TOAST here. But I would prefer
excessive heat to excessive cold anytime.
Bret
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| 8.2176 | | CAM::WAY | Snakebit | Wed Jun 27 1990 15:14 | 16 |
| Yes, .-1 is correct.
The colder the air, the denser it is, hence more "bite" for the wings.
Also, colder air has less turbulence associated with it.
Warmer air can make for some very interesting flying.
The airport I used to fly into had a river just before the runway
apron. You never knew how much change in air density there would
be, so on some days you could really be in for a suprise. Used to
wreak havoc with trying to stay on the glide path 8^)
I heard because of the temperature they were talking about changing
the Pheonix site code to HEL.
'Saw
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| 8.2177 | No matter what the temp, I can always get it lifted off | SHALOT::MEDVID | the infinite complexities of love | Wed Jun 27 1990 15:25 | 0 |
| 8.2178 | Nets get another #1 pick this year | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | and do the Mudshark, baby | Wed Jun 27 1990 15:32 | 6 |
| Nets traded Dennis Hopson (#3 in the draft 3 years ago out of Ohio St.)
to the Bulls for this years #1 (#22 total), and two future #2 picks.
Hopson never panned out for the Nets, injuries or no. I would shudder
to see the players picked after him.
Dan
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| 8.2179 | | 22339::MCCARTHY | Mike McCarthy MRO4-2/C17 297-4531 | Wed Jun 27 1990 15:56 | 13 |
| I don't remember seeing this trade mentioned:
Dallas sent Bill Wennington and the 14th and the 18th picks to
the Kings for Rodney McCray, a '90 2nd round pick (from Utah)
and a '91 2nd round pick (from Washington).
Dallas dealt the 4 first rounders for Lever and McCray. The Kings
now have 4 first round picks.
Why does it seem that every year the Kings are starting over from
scratch? Maybe it's the uniforms. Powder blue. Ugh...
Mike
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| 8.2180 | | UPWARD::HEISER | | Wed Jun 27 1990 15:57 | 6 |
| Re: too hot to fly
there was a blurb about the airlines being afraid that the runways
might not be long enough, and they're LONG here!
Mike
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| 8.2181 | | UPWARD::HEISER | | Wed Jun 27 1990 16:01 | 1 |
| Sacramento is on peyote!
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| 8.2182 | | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Wed Jun 27 1990 16:02 | 16 |
| re: .2169
JD,
So far today, so good. I've been listening to the radio, and with
about 6 hours to go until the draft, no bonehaid trade has been
announced. I think Whitsitt should go to Deals Anonymous. "Hi, my
name is Bob, and I'm a compulsive dealmaker. I have no control, and
it's ruining the lives of many basketball fans". I know it's killing
him to just use a draft pick to actually pick a player.
After the deal today, Sacramento has FOUR first round draft picks!
Wow! They need 'em.
Pete
|
| 8.2183 | | 22339::MCCARTHY | Mike McCarthy MRO4-2/C17 297-4531 | Wed Jun 27 1990 16:25 | 7 |
| I heard that all trades must be completed before 2:00 PM
(EDT, I assume). I don't think that the deals have to be
publically announced, just submitted to the league. So,
the Sonics still could have made a bone head deal. Hold
your breath until they actually pick.
Mike
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| 8.2184 | | FDCV07::GARBARINO | | Wed Jun 27 1990 17:14 | 6 |
| > But I would prefer excessive heat to excessive cold anytime.
You can always put more on, but there's a point where you can't take
any more off !
Joe
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| 8.2185 | | JULIET::MAY_BR | Alda, quiche, dockers, soccer | Wed Jun 27 1990 17:22 | 6 |
| 8.2186 | Appropriate nicknames: Suns,Devils,Firebirds | UPWARD::WEDDLE | | Wed Jun 27 1990 17:30 | 17 |
|
Does anybody know anything about Mustaf from Maryland? The Suns are talking
about drafting him or Glass from Mississippi. How *& ()*^* (sorry, someone
just opened a door to the facility letting in some more of that 'dry heat')
about Glass? I've heard he's a big-time scorer with a weight problem. We'll
cure him of that - just let him live here in the summer.
Speaking of the heat, it is serious stuff. 3 people died yesterday of heat
stroke. 6 fire fighters died up near Payson (90 miles n.e. of Phoenix) fighting
a forest fire (we do have pine forests near by). Temperatures up north were
well over 100 degrees. You really have to be careful when it gets this hot.
We played a bball game yesterday. The game was indoors at 6:30pm in a h.s.
gym w/o air conditioning. I thought they were pulling an old Celtics trick
but we were the ones with the green jerseys on. Of course, we lost. Wouldn't
you know it...our shooting was cold.
Jim
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| 8.2187 | | CAM::WAY | Snakebit | Wed Jun 27 1990 17:40 | 25 |
| Bruce, DARK blue...what a sissy color ;^)
re the heat...
Heat and firefighting are two very deadly combinations.
It's tough enough fighting a fire on a mild spring day,
but in the dead of summer, in high heat, it can be
even deadlier.
Unfortunately, our Captain (ChromeDome, remember) knew
diddly about what happens to your body in excessive sweat
situations.
Getting water was like pulling teeth, let along getting
something like Gatorade there...
You folks out there take real good care, and don't forget to
drink plenty of water.
'Saw
PS If you haven't tried that new drink called 10K, you might want to.
It has more minerals that Gatorade and tastes better...
|
| 8.2188 | | FDCV07::GARBARINO | | Wed Jun 27 1990 18:01 | 11 |
| > Does anybody know anything about Mustaf from Maryland? The Suns are talking
> about drafting him or Glass from Mississippi.
Mustaf is an offensive center/power-forward. I wouldn't call him a banger.
From what I've heard, he'd probably pay dividends 2 yrs from now.
The papers here say some scouts are concerned about Glass' height (or lack of)
for his position.
Joe
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| 8.2189 | $ Wolverines in the 1st round? | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus @PCO,321-5183 | Wed Jun 27 1990 18:10 | 8 |
| Re: -1
Glass is considered a Mark Aguirre type,good shooter,tough to move out.
There may be 4 Michigan players going in the first round
tonight,Vaught,Robinson,Mills and Higgins. When was the last time a
college had 4 of the top 27 picks? Maybe Indiana (Scott May,Kent
Benson,Quinn Buckner,Tom Abernethy) in 1976.
|
| 8.2190 | | FDCV07::GARBARINO | | Thu Jun 28 1990 11:59 | 32 |
| > tonight,Vaught,Robinson,Mills and Higgins. When was the last time a
> college had 4 of the top 27 picks? Maybe Indiana (Scott May,Kent
> Benson,Quinn Buckner,Tom Abernethy) in 1976.
TNT reported last night that NO school has ever had 4 kids taken in the
1st round.
Who had a good draft ? IMO, Miami. They got Willie Burton, Alec Kessler,
and Bimbo Coles. The LA Clippers also did well in getting Bo Kimle and
Loy Vaught with their 2 picks.
For all of their needs, I thought New Jersey could have done better.
With all the rumors flying around, it almost sounds like NJ was "forced"
to take Coleman 'cause no one offered them what they wanted for the #1 pick.
I don't see the other 2 kids making an impact: Tate George and Jud Buechler.
If they were uncertain about taking Coleman with the #1, then I can under-
stand why they're in the state they're in. Forget about this talk about
his problems off the court (party fights, etc.), this kid has desire
and heart. He loves to play basketball, and his skills allow him to
really do it all. He can block a shot, grab the ball, dribble the length
of the floor (possibly going behind the back, if necessary), and either
hit the cutter with a perfect pass, or take it all the way himself.
AND HE'S DOING THIS FROM THE POWER FORWARD POSITION !!! He just
started to open up his offensive game this year. In the pros (ie:
man-to-man) he'll continue to show more and more improvement.
He'll be an all-star.
Joe
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| 8.2191 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Suzie Diamond's Personal Standing O | Thu Jun 28 1990 12:06 | 4 |
|
Joe, Kessler went to Houston. The first real surprise of the draft....
mike
|
| 8.2192 | | RSST6::RIGGEN | Burley from biking | Thu Jun 28 1990 12:09 | 6 |
| Can anybody fill me in on Marcus Liberty ?
The Nuggets picked him in the 2nd round 42nd overall.
I remember a S.I touting him as the next Dr. J out of high school. I've heard
nothing since he went to Illinois.
Jeff
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| 8.2193 | Williams is stuck | 34443::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu Jun 28 1990 12:36 | 11 |
| Maenwhile back at the legal front, John Williams was ruled to be a
*RESTRICTED* free agent by an NBA arbitrator. He was paid for a year that
he sat out of the NBA while on trial for alleged point shaving at Tulane.
He was cleared of the charges. In essence, the ruling said that year
does not count toward the league's rule on free agency.
This means that while he is free to try to negotiate a contract with any
team, Cleveland has the right of first refusal. Negotiations with
Cleveland have broken down.
TTom
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| 8.2194 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | GeorgeForeman-NextHEAVYweightChamp | Thu Jun 28 1990 13:05 | 9 |
| I thought I'd die when Ricy Barry started to lecture the
"youngsters who want to play in the NBA someday" about attitude
and used Schintzius as an example. I was waiting for him to tell
them to drink their milk and obey mom and dad. What a hammerhaid,
what a boring, fluff show. Those live interviews were great eh?
Just once I would like to see a guy get up there and say "No way
am I playing for this %$#@^ team! I demand a trade!"
/Don
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| 8.2195 | Pistons GM is a tough negotiator | CIM::BROWN | | Thu Jun 28 1990 13:13 | 14 |
|
In this mornings Detroit Free Press McKloskey said that the Pistons
are interested in Williams.
They have told Anthony Cook's agent to
let him know that the Pistons would like Cook at the rookie camp.
If he shows up they will offer him a contract. Last year the Pistons
offered Cook $500,000 he told the Pistons no and the GM pulled the
offer back and told him to go play in Europe.
The article said that the Pistons got the player that they were after.
If Schinztius was available they wouldn't have taken him.
/pjb
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| 8.2196 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Thu Jun 28 1990 13:16 | 5 |
|
The Pistons wouldn't have taken Schinztius, but I'm sure the
Lakers were getting pretty excited as their pick approached and
he was still on the board.
|
| 8.2197 | Probably above the IU '76 team | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | and do the Mudshark, baby | Thu Jun 28 1990 14:12 | 8 |
| >TNT reported last night that NO school has ever had 4 kids taken in the
>1st round.
And consider that Rice was a lottery pick last year. Does this make
last year's ('89) Michigan team the most talented of all time? And to
think, they needed the refs help to overcome Seton Hall.
Dan
|
| 8.2198 | | REFINE::ASHE | You can touch THIS... | Thu Jun 28 1990 14:28 | 5 |
| Re: McCloskey
What Williams are you talking about? Hot Rod?
I see they exercised their option on Salley... (surprise)
|
| 8.2199 | Hot Rod it is | CIM::BROWN | | Thu Jun 28 1990 15:01 | 8 |
| re . -1
Yes, Hot Rod Williams from Cleveland.
McCloskey wants to re-sign V. Johnson who is seeking a 2 yr deal
worth $2.5 million.
\pjb
|
| 8.2200 | misc | FDCV07::GARBARINO | | Thu Jun 28 1990 15:56 | 16 |
| > Joe, Kessler went to Houston. The first real surprise of the draft....
Mike, Houston then traded him to Miami for Dave Jamerson and Carl Herrera.
re: Marcus Liberty
They said last night that he hurt himself by not playing in any of the
pro camps this Spring. The rap I've heard/read about him the last year
or so is that he doesn't always give 100% (ie: he disappears on the floor).
Can anyone tell me why Dee Brown is a "Celtics-type of player" ?
Joe
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| 8.2201 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | LegitimateSportingPurpose?E.S.A.D.! | Thu Jun 28 1990 16:17 | 5 |
| RE: Marcus Liberty
I think he's an early bird, also (Junior?)
Mike JN
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| 8.2202 | Really!! | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Border closed. No new Texans | Thu Jun 28 1990 16:28 | 9 |
|
A friend here in MRO1 just came to get me to go see who was sitting
in the lobby waiting to visit someone. It was M. L. Carr.
Signed my Celtics pennent that hangs in my cube. Gee, that was
fun!
Dickster
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| 8.2203 | | LUNER::BRAKE | A Question of Balance | Thu Jun 28 1990 16:35 | 6 |
| I've got to wonder what Dee Brown, the fastest player to come out
of college in two years, will be thinking as he finds himself alone
on the fast break time after time after time......
Rich
|
| 8.2204 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Penguins stampede, film @ 11 | Thu Jun 28 1990 17:01 | 33 |
| I think Marcus Liberty hurt himself by not showing up for some of
the pre-draft workouts. His stock dropped.
Dee Brown - like Charles Smith before him, Brown needs to put on
some weight. he goes 161 lbs dripping wet. No upper body at all.
On Denver: They are planning on starting Lichti/Jackson at the
guards with Adams off the bench - providing Lichti recovers totally
from his injury (car accident).
The third part of lethal weapon III was picked by Philly in the
second round.
Not sure I agree with the Knicks pick - Mustafa is a good player
with potential, but hte KNicks need a scorer.
Wass it prudent for the Timberwolves to pick Felton Spencer and
pass up Schintzus if they wanted a center? A fully trying constantly
improving Spencer is still not as good as a loping around half-trying
Schintzus. I think San Antonio made a steal! As stated last night,
Robinson has the knowledge and quickness to play at the power forward
spot and leave Schintzus in the middle with Cumming at the small
forward spot. I really think the media made too much of Schintzus
and teams were too wimpy to take a gamble.
Bimbo Coles stock must have really dropped. I had seen him touted
as a late-middle first rounder, and he lasted until #40. I think
Tate George was the big surprise. I was surprised to see him go
in the first round. I think the Nets could've gotten a better
player. (For instance, Anthoney Bonner....)
JD
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| 8.2205 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | The BOSS is BACK! | Thu Jun 28 1990 17:02 | 6 |
| Dickster he was here at the Mill last Monday. He works for
a vendor that just signed a contract with DEC.
Rich, it's better than nobody down on the break. 8^)
/Don
|
| 8.2206 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Border closed. No new Texans | Thu Jun 28 1990 17:07 | 4 |
|
Would that vendor be vending white towels by chance? Or perhaps
pocket knives?
|
| 8.2207 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Suzie Diamond's Personal Standing O | Thu Jun 28 1990 17:17 | 9 |
|
Yeah Joe, I saw that later. good move by the heat...
Dee is a Celtics type player because A. we picked him. B. he praised the
organization. C. you seen the Celtics backcourt recently? Compare to those
guys Steve Alford is player... ;^)
mike
|
| 8.2208 | | RGB::DICHIARA | peter | Thu Jun 28 1990 18:31 | 27 |
|
reply; few back
knicks -- if travis mays or jamerson had slipped a few more I wouldn't have
been surprised to see them picked, but what was left at their spot jeros mustaf
was the best. Personally I think it was a good move, they already have shooters
in newman, and kiki (for forwards that is), mustaf gives them some size plus
defense and supposedly he's pretty good at offense.
dwayne -- they mentioned last night that musselman liked felton as much for his
work ethic as they did for his skills. Personally, I think that getting picked
by S.A was one of the best things for the team and Dwayne. I dread the thought
if he was picked by an expansion team (not that I'm a schintzious fan). He
would've loafed ala joe barry carrol, i.e. just enough. By playing behind
robinson (which I think is the likely scenario) he'll realize that he'll have to
work his butt off to get any minutes. Once he does show what he can do, then
they can trade him most likely for a lot more value than a 20-something 1st
round pick. It also seems that brown has been taking some gambles for the
players with the talen but who haven't quite put it together: schintzius,
sean higgins, reggie williams, rod strickland...
I was rather surprised with G.S picking tyrone hill where they did.
Also, I think Rumeal will be a bust, just what Atlanta needs another guy
who loves to shoot, plus he can't hit them form outside. (they should've taken
Mays -- range plus he can play the point)
|
| 8.2209 | misc | FDCV07::GARBARINO | | Thu Jun 28 1990 18:51 | 35 |
| > Not sure I agree with the Knicks pick - Mustafa is a good player
> with potential, but hte KNicks need a scorer.
JD, You're exactly right, but I heard a pre-draft interview of Bianchi
and he said they were going to go big because the good scorers just
wouldnt' be there that late, and looking at what happened, I think
he was right.
Mustaf is more of an offensive player than a banger or defensive force
inside. He scores. While he's talented, he still needs work. But given
what the scouts said when he came out of high school, and that he pretty
much lived up to the hype (this early in his life), I'd have to say he
was a good pick for the Knicks at 17. As Bianchi said after the draft:
"this kid would be a lottery pick 2 years from now, and we're getting
him now."
> Tate George was the big surprise. I was surprised to see him go
> in the first round. I think the Nets could've gotten a better
> player. (For instance, Anthoney Bonner....)
Agreed.
re: Dee Brown on the fast break
"I ain't givin' the rock to nobody...I'm takin' this sucka all
the way !"
or
"Yeah, right Larry...fill the lane when you get a chance."
Joe
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| 8.2210 | | FRSBEE::BROOKS | A Rebel Without A Pause ... | Fri Jun 29 1990 03:14 | 21 |
| The Rockets -
Just what they needed : A SNJWD (slow No-Jumping White Dude) who's
a shooting guard, with little real ability to create his own shot.
AAAAAAAAGRRRRRRRRGHHHHH !!!!!!!
And they picked Jamerson with Travis Mays still on the board.
While getting Ferrira in the second was a nice move, the trade for
Jamerson is yet another reason why the Rockets will be lucky to
win jacksh*t for at least 10 years - or unti the entire front office
is fired.
Philly - I like Brian Oliver a lot. Nice pick. They still need a
big man.
Kings - Nice picking, if nothing else, they'll be .... uh ...
different!
Lakers - Who can provide background on Eldon Campbell ?
|
| 8.2211 | good morning Dan, Doc etc... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Suzie Diamond's Personal Standing O | Fri Jun 29 1990 09:06 | 16 |
|
Eldon Campbell is Brad Sellers with some defensive ability. He has a nice
smooth jumpshot good to about 17 ft or so and can dunk. Defensively as
mentioned because of his long arms he swats a few. Problem is that he
won't mix it up inside. As someone else stated his lack of doing the job
in the middle was covered up by the fact that Dale Davis ( rev snuffy's
biggest nightmare) was on the frontline with him at Clemson and did the
dirty work. His rebounding totals are reflection of his height and not
his work ethic. If they can put 30 or 40 pounds on him and get him a heart
like Davis then he's a steal as the last pick of the round. But for now
he's just another skinny ass let me get out run don't hit me Laker and that
suits me just fine...
;^)
mike
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| 8.2212 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | GeorgeForeman-NextHEAVYweightChamp | Fri Jun 29 1990 09:31 | 6 |
| 8.2213 | Shinn happens, part the next | OTEK::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri Jul 13 1990 10:08 | 14 |
| George Shinn and the Hornets are at it again. This time, some people
purchased or were given an autographed Hornets basketball, one of the
teal and purple and white numbers. Well it turns out in some case, the
ball was signed not by the players, whose name was signed, but by front
office people.
The Hornets offered the explanation: "People wanted the basketballs and
the players weren't around."
This is pretty tricky stuff here: getting all the players together to
sign the balls. Hey, how about when they all practice everyday at the
same time, same place.
TTom
|
| 8.2214 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Fri Jul 13 1990 11:04 | 9 |
| Nothing unusual about that. It's common practice when fans write to
teams, especially in the off-season, for front office people to forge
player signatures on pictures and equipment. The Hornets shouldn't be
bashed for something that happens fairly regularly. Players are
becoming more reluctant to sign things and there is high demand for
things such as footballs and basketballs to be auctioned off, given to
sick children and so forth.
John
|
| 8.2215 | The Celtics front office does this, too | 4159::NAZZARO | Underneath the strobe light | Fri Jul 13 1990 14:38 | 14 |
| I sign a mean Larry Bird myself! ;-)
True story. Three or four years ago, at halftime of a Celtics game,
I was standing on the court talking to the guy who does the stats for
visiting radio. As the Celtics warmed up in front of us for the second
half, a little boy about eight was yelling for Robert Parish to sign
his piece of paper. After about two staight minutes of yelling to no
avail, my friend from radio stats walked over to the kid, said "I'll
give you Robert Parish's autograph." He then signed the paper Robert
Parish, and gave it back to the kid, who was quite pleased.
So, there are lots of phony signatures out there.
NAZZ
|
| 8.2216 | | UPWARD::HEISER | trimmed & burnin' | Fri Jul 13 1990 14:46 | 4 |
| Not in my autograph collection. I hand carry mine so I know I'm
getting the real thing.
Mike_who_cherishes_his_Larry_Bird_autograph
|
| 8.2217 | hang 'em! | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Address the ball | Fri Jul 13 1990 14:57 | 6 |
| > -< The Celtics front office does this, too >-
Yeah, but the Celts front office does lots of evil things. This is
just a drop in the bucket.
Dan
|
| 8.2218 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | Look For the, Bear necessities!! | Fri Jul 13 1990 15:09 | 3 |
| re MIke H.
My Jerry West autograph is better.
|
| 8.2219 | He did go to Indiana, right? | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Address the ball | Fri Jul 13 1990 16:00 | 3 |
| Hey, Mike. Did you have to help Larry with the spelling?
Dan
|
| 8.2220 | | UPWARD::HEISER | trimmed & burnin' | Fri Jul 13 1990 16:29 | 3 |
| He signs so many that he just writes his last name.
Mike
|
| 8.2221 | everybody needs somebody | OTEK::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri Jul 13 1990 18:32 | 5 |
| > My Jerry West autograph is better.
Yo, Knorr. Ya got your Lebo autograph?
TTom
|
| 8.2222 | hope he saw the signatures | OTEK::HAAS | same as talking to you | Sat Jul 14 1990 13:03 | 11 |
| Meanwhile, the Hornets, renewed by the support from other teams and their
fans that EVERYONE forges signatures, has signed an offer sheet to NY
Knick forward Johnny Newman. Terms were not disclosed but the contr act
was supposedly for a 4 year deal. The Knicks have 15 days to match the
offer which is said to be considerably more than what the Knicks had
offered.
Newman, a semi-local talent from Danville, VA, became a restricted free
agent on July 1.
TTom
|
| 8.2223 | | SA1794::GUSICJ | Referees whistle while they work.. | Sat Jul 14 1990 13:46 | 27 |
|
Word out of Springfield Mass. is that Vinny DelNegro (hometown
boy) will be playing in Italy next year. I reported this over in
the Celtics conference after I overheard a close friend of the family
discussing the contract. Seems Vinny is now an unrestricted free
agent and the Kings aren't really that interested in keeping him
around seeing that Mota will clean house and they have had an excellent
draft. Anyway, the deal is apparently struck and calls for Vinny
to get about 1.3 mil per for ?? (my ears aren't that good!) The
entire salary is tax-free and I guess the family is having a hard
time lining up banks here in the U.S. (they need about 13 to ensure
that the money is insured by uncle Sam). He has been given the
choice of 3 different villas to live in along with having ALL his
expenses paid. All Vinny will have to cover is the phone bill!
They are even going to pay his food bill! They (Italians, don't
know which team) are also going to pay for any tips by him or his
family to and from the U.S. Not a bad deal for an average NBA player!
It seems that Italy offered Vinny 300K after he graduated from
NC st. to play, but he opted for the Kings instead.
No official announcement has been made, but I heard the deal
was agreed to in principle.
bill..g.
|
| 8.2224 | the evil empire | CNTROL::CHILDS | King of the Swingers:the Jungle VIP | Mon Jul 16 1990 10:40 | 17 |
| <<< Note 8.2217 by HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER "Address the ball" >>>
-< hang 'em! >-
> -< The Celtics front office does this, too >-
>> Yeah, but the Celts front office does lots of evil things. This is
>> just a drop in the bucket.
Dan
Yeah like own an 8-2 Championship record against the Lakers, those bad
evil Celtics.........
Anybody catch Bird in the Norman Rebook golf this weekend? Quite the putter..
mike
|
| 8.2225 | | CAM::WAY | and I didn't draw the card I needed | Mon Jul 16 1990 10:45 | 10 |
| Actually, I enjoyed that golf tournament. Ivan Lendl doesn't
give us left-handed golfers a good name though.
Larry is not a bad golfer at all. They mentioned that if he remembers
to bring his backswing all the way back, he hits pretty decently.
Also putts well.
Looked like the boys were having a lot of fun....
'Saw
|
| 8.2226 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | ink a dinka doo, a dinka doo | Mon Jul 16 1990 12:31 | 10 |
| <RE: Johnny Newman. Please don't match his offer. Please don't
match the offer. I *loathe* that guy.
RE: Mike Childs; There ya go Mike, typical Celtic fan, spouting
ANCIENT history. Like, what's the record in this century?
How many times since Bill Russell hung up the shoes. Geez, you
Celt fans get more and more like Yankee fans, clinging to a fading,
distant memory, as your team sinks into the black hole of mediocrity.
JD
|
| 8.2227 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | GeorgeForeman-NextHEAVYweightChamp | Mon Jul 16 1990 13:52 | 4 |
| Being a Knicks fan I would nominate you as an authority on
mediocrity there JD (MiniLats).
/Lats+
|
| 8.2228 | typical | CNTROL::CHILDS | King of the Swingers:the Jungle VIP | Mon Jul 16 1990 14:28 | 8 |
|
JD, it maybe ancient history but atleast it's a history that we can be
proud of unlike the Knicks and Sixers. Besides you know it ruffles Dan's
feathers. I'm sure he'll come in here and claim it's before his time but
that's hogwash espcially inlight of the fact that he always spounting off
about those cellar dwelling Yankees.....
mike
|
| 8.2229 | Ralph Sampson's back and he's pi$$ed! | UPWARD::HEISER | trimmed & burnin' | Mon Jul 16 1990 17:08 | 14 |
| The local paper had an interesting article on Ralph Sampson's
rehabilitation efforts here in Phoenix. I scanned in the 3 page
article and it can be copied from the location below. These files will
disappear Tuesday evening.
Mike
Directory $1$DUA33:[6EZ.HEISER]
SAMPSON1.PS;1 1899 (RWED,RWED,,R)
SAMPSON2.PS;1 1899 (RWED,RWED,,R)
SAMPSON3.PS;1 1899 (RWED,RWED,,R)
Total of 3 files, 5697 blocks.
|
| 8.2230 | Monarch guides? | OTEK::HAAS | same as talking to you | Mon Jul 16 1990 17:17 | 3 |
| Do you have the Cliff Notes to these tomes?
TTom
|
| 8.2231 | | 15436::LEFEBVRE | She had one long pair of eyes | Mon Jul 16 1990 17:42 | 4 |
| How's about scanning in some more of those .ddif thingies for the
SI Swimwuit babes?
Mark.
|
| 8.2232 | | SASE::SZABO | Things are picking up! | Mon Jul 16 1990 18:01 | 9 |
| 8.2233 | Up and running!! | SA1794::GUSICJ | Referees whistle while they work.. | Mon Jul 16 1990 18:04 | 6 |
|
Who needs "scanning" when you have VAXCamera and can take a
live picture!!
bill
|
| 8.2234 | | PNO::HEISER | trimmed & burnin' | Mon Jul 16 1990 18:40 | 13 |
| Bill, I have a VAXcamera too. The resolution is better when the source
is captured, but it is in black & white. My image scanner is also black
& white. Both can be converted to PostScript.
Whoever scanned in those SI babes has a color scanner. Those suckers
start at about $8K and we don't make them so there tough to get unless
your cost center has bucks to spare. Sharp is one of the companies
that makes a color scanner.
Back to the NBA - read the article if you can. Whoever gambles on
Sampson may reap some interesting results in June.
Mike
|
| 8.2235 | | PNO::HEISER | trimmed & burnin' | Mon Jul 16 1990 18:41 | 4 |
| Anyone know how to convert one of these image files to text? That way
I could post the article minus the photographs.
Mike
|
| 8.2236 | | TOPDWN::METZGER | Head Northwest young man.... | Mon Jul 16 1990 18:44 | 7 |
|
You might be able to do it with UTOX....
We don't have the latest version here so I can't give it a go....
Metz
|
| 8.2237 | huh ??????????????????? | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Have YOU seen Elvis today?? | Tue Jul 17 1990 01:00 | 12 |
| How about clear ly written, step-by-sep instructions for us
non-weenies who just got Vaxstations? Hate to !bother! the MIS
priest with such a non-dinkie request
deen to wonk(tm)
(really wanna wonk oot)
Koj
|
| 8.2238 | How 'bout a lowly VT240 user? | AKOV06::DCARR | Dee-ROY Brown leads parade in June! | Tue Jul 17 1990 14:15 | 7 |
| Is this only available for VAXstations? I tried to copy it to my itty
bitty VAXcluster, and the terminal just hung there all thru lunch....
Short of that, if one of my fellow FBA owners that was able to get this
would send it to me at AKO4-2/C2 that'd be might sporting o' ya. :-)
Ml
|
| 8.2239 | some clarity for the non-technodweebs | UPWARD::HEISER | trimmed & burnin' | Tue Jul 17 1990 14:32 | 12 |
| It doesn't matter what terminal you have. You have to print them out
once you copy them (unless you have a workstation with the PostScript
Viewer installed).
$ spool copy pno::6ez_device:[6ez.heiser]sampson%.ps *
The 3 files total over 5K blocks, that's why it takes a while. Use
Spool (which is FTSV) instead. These are PostScript files. When they
are finished copying, print them out on an LPS40, LPS20, or LN03R.
I tried converting them to text using UTOX and I hung my workstation
real good ;-) I guess 16Mb doesn't cut it for image editing.
|
| 8.2240 | thanks, Mike | OTEK::HAAS | same as talking to you | Tue Jul 17 1990 15:01 | 13 |
| Thanks for taking the time to do this, Mike.
I just read the article and it certainly sounds like Ralph is trying to
make a comeback. I've never been much of a fan of Ralph's. I look at it
as believe it when you see it.
The essential barrier to Ralph coming back - assuming that his physical
problems can be rehabilitated - is his attitude. He talks a good game in
the article but one of the tests may be to see how it goes if he starts
the season out riding the pine in Sacremento. This seems likely based on
what the Kings are saying about him.
TTom
|
| 8.2241 | | LACV01::PETRIE | | Tue Jul 17 1990 15:05 | 8 |
| re: <<< Note 8.2234 by PNO::HEISER "trimmed & burnin'" >>>
>>Bill, I have a VAXcamera too. The resolution is better when the source
>>is captured...
Mike, untie that poor woman and let her go.
Kathy
|
| 8.2242 | | CAM::WAY | and I didn't draw the card I needed | Tue Jul 17 1990 15:19 | 6 |
| 8.2243 | | UPWARD::HEISER | trimmed & burnin' | Tue Jul 17 1990 16:55 | 12 |
| sorry I'm not into bondage, why have a partner if they're not involved? ;-)
As for Ralphie, based on his efforts (he's been here for 2 months
already) for the whole summer, I would take a gamble on him. The right
coach may straighten out his mental problems. The Kings still have to
release him though, I wouldn't give them anything for him.
I find it hard to believe I'm saying this. I've always been
anti-Ralph, but his efforts show me he still has the desire.
Mike
|
| 8.2244 | Williams offered big BUCKS to play in Italy | CIM::BROWN | | Wed Jul 18 1990 17:55 | 8 |
|
On the news last night it was reported that Cleveland free agent
Hot Rod Williams was offered $9 million for 2 years to play in the
Italian league.
He turned it down to wait for an offer from a NBA team.
/pjb
|
| 8.2245 | | UPWARD::HEISER | trimmed & burnin' | Wed Jul 18 1990 18:30 | 3 |
| He's going to Phoenix!
Mike
|
| 8.2246 | | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Wed Jul 18 1990 20:26 | 7 |
| I was hoping any of you stat men could list all NBA free agents
or at least direct me to something that has this info
thanks
rub
|
| 8.2247 | Elden "Mr. Intensity" Campbell to the rescue | DOCTP::TESSIER | Istanbul or Constantinople | Wed Jul 18 1990 21:53 | 19 |
| Thanks for the Ralph article, Mike. I'd trade Mark McNamara for him,
but that's about it. BTW, anybody catch Dan Shaughnessy's article last
week (I think it was about the All-Star game but I'm not sure) where he
used the phrase, "It was raining cats and Ralph Sampsons." Pretty
funny stuff. I'm sure it didn't originate with Shaughnessy though.
At any rate, you don't have to worry about Phoenix taking a chance on
Ralphie -- they already have a pretty good point guard in K.J.
Forget about the Suns getting Hot Rod Williams. Even if they did, it
wouldn't matter. Elden Campbell is going to just plain clean up on the
Suns and the rest of the west this year! ;)
Laker_Ken
P.S.
I second the request for the free agents list! It would be most
appreciated.
|
| 8.2248 | Need More! | AKOV06::DCARR | Dee-ROY Brown leads parade in June! | Thu Jul 19 1990 17:30 | 10 |
| > I second the request for the free agents list! It would be most
> appreciated.
Actually, what us rotis. owners REALLY need is some all-encompassing
'potential roster change' document that lists all trades, draftees, and
free agents since the end o' last year... I've been trying to piece
things together, and I haven't a clue who's on Sac's roster!
ML
|
| 8.2249 | NBA TV Schedule | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | Just do it! | Fri Jul 20 1990 15:11 | 85 |
| 1990-91 NBA TV Schedule
NBC (all times PM and Eastern)
Sat, 10/13 Knicks vs. TBA 3
Sat, 11/03 Lakers at Spurs 3
Tue, 12/25 Pistons at Bulls 3
Sun, 01/27 Lakers at Celtics 12
Sun, 02/03 Suns at Pistons 12:30
Bulls at Lakers 3:30
Sun, 02/10 41st All-Star Game at Charlotte 1
Sun, 02/17 Pistons at Knicks 1
Mon, 02/18 Bulls at Cavs or Spurs at Jazz 3
Sun, 02/24 Celtics at Pacers 12:30 Lakers at Pistons 3:30
Sun, 03/03 Blazers at Celtics or Jazz at Sixers 12:30
Rockets at Lakers 3:30
Sun, 03/10 Bulls at Hawks 12
Sun, 03/17 Sixers at Celtics 12
Sun, 03/24 Pistons at Spurs 12:30
Sun, 03/31 Bulls at Celtics or Cavs at Sixers 12
Sun, 04/07 Sixers at Bulls or Blazers at Mavericks 3
Sat, 04/13 Lakers at Blazers 3
Sun, 04/14 Knicks at Celtics 12:30
Spurs at Suns or Pistons at Pacers 3:30
Sat, 04/20 Lakers at Jazz 3
Sun, 04/21 Pistons at Bulls or Sixers at Cavs or Mavericks at Spurs
or Jazz at Warriors OR Blazers at Suns 3
TNT (all times PM and Eastern)
Thu, 10/11 McDonalds Open, doubleheader 8
Tue, 10/30 Hall of Fame Game, Pistons vs. Rockets 8
Fri, 11/02 Sixers at Bulls 8
Suns vs. Jazz at Tokyo 10:45
Tue, 11/06 Celtics at Bulls 8
Hawks at Kings 10:30
Fri, 11/09 Cavs at Pacers 8
Pistons at Blazers 10:30
Tue, 11/13 Spurs at Warriors 8
Fri, 11/16 Lakers at Mavericks 8
Tue, 11/20 Rockets at Knicks 8
Fri, 11/23 Bulls at Clippers 8
Tue, 11/27 Suns at Blazers 8
Fri, 11/30 Sixers at Pistons 8
Tue, 12/04 Suns at Bulls 8
Pistons at Lakers 10:30
Fri, 12/07 Celtics at Mavericks 8
Tue, 12/11 Bulls at Bucks 8
Fri, 12/14 Pistons at Celtics 8
Tue, 12/18 Lakers at Knicks 8
Fri, 12/21 Lakers Bulls 8
Wed, 01/02 Knicks at Celtics 8
Fri, 01/04 Spurs at Nets 8
Tue, 01/08 Pistons at Hornets 8
Fri, 01/11 Blazers at Pistons 8
Cavs at Lakers 10:30
Tue, 01/15 Magic at Heat 8
Fri, 01/18 Bulls at Hawks 8
Wed, 01/23 Pistons at Celtics 8
Fri, 01/25 Sonics at Suns 10
Tue, 01/29 Spurs at Rockets 8
Fri, 02/01 Pistons at Bullets 8
Tue, 02/05 Jazz at Wolves 8
Thu, 02/07 Bulls at Pistons 8
Fri, 02/08 NBA All-Star Friday Night TBA
Sat, 02/09 NBA All-Star Saturday Night TBA
Tue, 02/12 Lakers at Suns 8
Fri, 02/15 Knicks at Cavs 8
Celtics at Lakers 10:30
Tue, 02/19 Celtics at Suns 8
Fri, 02/22 Lakers at Hawks 8
Tue, 02/26 Rockets at Nuggets 8
Fri, 03/01 Spurs at Celtics 8
Tue, 03/05 Suns at Knicks 8
Wed, 03/13 Celtics at Jazz 9
Wed, 03/20 Pistons at Sixers 8
Tue, 03/26 Knicks at Spurs 8
Fri, 03/29 Cavs at Celtics 8
Blazers at Lakers 10:30
Tue, 04/02 Lakers at Spurs 8
Fri, 04/05 Spurs at Bulls 8
Wed, 04/10 Knicks at Sixers 8
Mon, 04/15 Bucks at Bulls 8
Fri, 04/19 Wild card game TBA
|
| 8.2250 | Il Messaggero - The Celtics new #1 rival | BUILD::MORGAN | | Wed Aug 01 1990 09:17 | 9 |
| It's been reported in today's Boston Globe that Dino Radja has signed
with Il Messaggero. He signed a multi-year contract with the Celtics
prior to last year. He was one of the better players for the
Yugoslavian team, that I think lost in the finals of the Goodwill
Games.
In related news, Brian Shaw's status is still in limbo.
Steve
|
| 8.2251 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Wed Aug 01 1990 10:54 | 8 |
|
I am now thoroughly convinced that Celtic management has lost it,
without a clue.
They shoulda stuck with BYU recruits.
Dickster
|
| 8.2252 | He might've helped, but only a little. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Wed Aug 01 1990 11:01 | 10 |
| re: Steve
Actually Dino's team *won* in the finals of the Goodwill Games
against the USA. Radja fouled out late in the game. While it's tough
to judge a player based on their performance in one game, I don't think
the Celtics are losing much. He didn't impress me, although some of the
other Yugoslavians sure did.
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.2253 | | SASE::SZABO | Got nothing but hell to pay. | Wed Aug 01 1990 11:09 | 3 |
| They should go after Oscar Schmidt. JMO.
Hawk
|
| 8.2254 | NBA Cap goes up... | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | A Zorro snap in the Z formation! | Wed Aug 01 1990 20:02 | 5 |
| The NBA salary cap for 1990-91 season will announced today, and
it will be at least 11.7 million. That averages out to about $916,000
per player. Last year's cap was about 9.8 million.
JD
|
| 8.2255 | | GOOBER::ROSS | I need a body bag | Thu Aug 02 1990 10:34 | 12 |
| The raising of the cap brought about several trades last night:
Milwaukee traded rookie Terry Mills to Denver for Danny Schayes
Milwaukee traded Paul Pressy to San Antonio for Frank Brickowski
Philadelphia traded draft pick(s)? for Manure Bol
and the big one
Portland traded guard Byron Irvin plus a first and a second to
Sacramento for Danny Ainge
|
| 8.2256 | on trades | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu Aug 02 1990 11:58 | 6 |
| I can understand Mills for Schayes, I guess, but what is the logic of
Pressey for Brickowski. San Antonio has got to laughing about that steal.
Barkley, Bol, and Mahorn: what a front line!
TTom
|
| 8.2257 | Was that really a typo, Doug :_)? | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Thu Aug 02 1990 12:16 | 0 |
| 8.2258 | | GOMETS::mccarthy | Mike McCarthy MRO4-2/C17 297-4531 | Thu Aug 02 1990 12:18 | 8 |
| I can't understand the Sixers sending a number 1 to Golden State
for Bol. Manute can only play about 10 minutes a game. Is Shue
George Allen's half brother?
The Spurs robbed the Bucks. The Bucks must like having stiffs
play the front court.
Mike
|
| 8.2259 | | GOOBER::ROSS | I need a body bag | Thu Aug 02 1990 12:40 | 20 |
| > -< Was that really a typo, Doug :_)? >-
Well, the "r" and "t" are right next to each other... It started as
a typo, but was left as commentary.
Re: Pressey to Spurs
According to ESPN last night, Pressey demanded to be traded
and that was the best the Spurs could do. I can't believe the
Celts couldn't have offered a comparable deal. Pinckney and a
draft pick?
I believe the Bucks now have :
Sikma, Schayes, Cadillac Anderson, Krystowiak,Brickowski,
and Breuer {?} up front. That's a pretty solid front
line, although unspectacular.
Maybe they expect Jeff Grayer to finally live up to his potential.
|
| 8.2260 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Thu Aug 02 1990 12:41 | 4 |
| From what I read in today's paper, the Bucks are in desperate need for
front court help. Krkowsomethingorother isn't expected back real soon
after his knee surgery. Also, Pressey hasn't been happy being a backup
in Milwaukee.
|
| 8.2261 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | No One Here gets Out Alive | Thu Aug 02 1990 12:44 | 21 |
|
I don't know, I mean the Bucks obviously have to get more physical upfront
and Sikma is at the end of his career and Bruer isn't the answer. Brickowski
was developing a decent game the year before but Robinson took away all of
his time as he should have. Pressey been in and out of the lineup the last
two years and Jeff Grayner is probably ready to step into the starting lineup
and if not Ricky Pierce wouldn't have a problem there. What's the deal with
Larry Krystowic (butcher spelling for sure) will he be ready this year?
Portland must figure Ainge is the missing piece cause even though Danny
is a former Celtic and we all know how they retain high market value
cause of the lessons their learnt at the hand of the master Red (right
JD, Doc) it sure seems like a high price. Also where does he play? If he
starts then I assume that Drexler goes to small forward and Kersey to the
bench. Sure seems like it would mess up their chemistry so I can guess
than he's the third guard, first player off the bench and plays both
1 and 2, which isn't bad but makes the price seem to high...
unless of course it was a typo ;^) as Jeff suggested...
mike
|
| 8.2262 | | GOOBER::ROSS | I need a body bag | Thu Aug 02 1990 12:52 | 4 |
| So do we make the Spurs the preseason favorite for the title? Add Pressey,
Schintzius, and Sean Higgins to the lineup and subtract Brickowski. Mix in
an experienced David Robinson, Strickland, Elliot, and Willie Anderson and
they look tough.
|
| 8.2263 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | Sampson, Wennington, Leckner & Kite ???? | Thu Aug 02 1990 13:13 | 23 |
|
Krystkowiak will be out all of next season and most likely his career
is over.
Brueur was traded to the Timberwolves in the middle of the season.
I think this is Milwaukee's frontcourt now:
Sikma
Brickowski
Anderson
Lohaus
Norman Bates Roberts
Schayes
I suggested to Nazz this morning that the Bucks will use a 'Volleyball'
rotation with these stiffs. Everytime somebody commits a foul, the guy on the
right will sitdown, the other two will move over one position, and the next
available F/C will come off the bench!!! :-)
JimH
|
| 8.2264 | | PNO::HEISER | gimme that phone! | Thu Aug 02 1990 13:27 | 5 |
| Porter now has a decent backup, and Portland's bench just earned a
little respect. Plus they now have someone on the team that has been
there to win it all. Maybe they won't choke next time ;-)
Mike
|
| 8.2265 | I meang the typo of calling him "Manure". | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Thu Aug 02 1990 13:29 | 0 |
| 8.2266 | | SASE::SZABO | | Thu Aug 02 1990 13:39 | 4 |
| Jeff, Goob knew that. Even I knew that. You should've known that he
and I knew that. :-)
Hawk
|
| 8.2267 | | 15436::LEFEBVRE | Shoulda turned left at Albuquerque | Thu Aug 02 1990 13:40 | 4 |
| No discussion regarding the Celtics apparent faux pas regarding
Dino's contract?
Mark.
|
| 8.2268 | | SASE::SZABO | | Thu Aug 02 1990 13:41 | 3 |
| Nope.
Hawk.
|
| 8.2269 | Hang Jan Volk! | PNO::HEISER | gimme that phone! | Thu Aug 02 1990 13:50 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.2270 | | CADSYS::CAVE | | Thu Aug 02 1990 13:51 | 16 |
| I don't think the price for Ainge was necessarily too high. The first
round pick will most likely be at the end of the draft and a 2nd round pick
isn't worth much. I don't know much about Byron Irvin so its hard to
figure how much he's worth. I agree that Ainge will be the third guard
and play either 1 or 2. Ainge will play more than the average third guard
since Dexler will go to small forward with Ainge and Porter in the game.
Ainge gives them a good guard (great for a third guard) with a good outside
shot and a three point threat. He could help them get over the hump.
As for Philly, I can't believe the gave up a 1st rounder for Bol.
Last year Mahorn was worth a first but not Bol. I also feel Philly
will slip this year and the 1st rounder will be in the middle of the
round making it even more valuable.
Alan
|
| 8.2271 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Thu Aug 02 1990 15:24 | 3 |
| Doug, San Antonio doesnt' have it locked up yet. The Spurs are having
contract trouble with Terry Cummings. Having Terry on the court took
alot of pressure off of Robinson.
|
| 8.2272 | No title for Spurs, yet | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Thank you, Fay | Thu Aug 02 1990 16:53 | 16 |
| >So do we make the Spurs the preseason favorite for the title? Add Pressey,
>Schintzius, and Sean Higgins to the lineup and subtract Brickowski. Mix in
>an experienced David Robinson, Strickland, Elliot, and Willie Anderson and
>they look tough.
Still inexperienced at the point, and nothing really behind Strickland.
I don't think Elliot can help out there, but I guess it's a possibility
that Pressey can. FWIW, I don't think the Brick/Pressey trade is as
lopsided as it appears. Pressey is about 31-32 years old, shoots
mostly bricks these days, and has lost a step which has hurt his
penetration. He peaked 4 years ago with the Bucks. A healthy
Brickowski is useful, if unspectacular. He has some offensive skills
and has always seemed to get the most out of it with hard work. I
don't think he's much more than 28 or so.
Dan
|
| 8.2273 | | REFINE::ASHE | This ain't no Shangrala... | Thu Aug 02 1990 18:22 | 3 |
| Sixers said the only thing they missed last year was a shot blocker.
I guess hip checks only go so far. Bol is the "missing piece"
to a contender, according to them.
|
| 8.2274 | Bickerstaff already making his mark. | CSC32::GL_JOHNSON | Mo' Better Blues | Thu Aug 02 1990 19:09 | 21 |
| re: trades
The Nuggets have done a good job of stocking up on young players
recently. 3 #1 picks in 2 years(Jackson, Lichti, Mills) and Liberty, who
might have been a lottery pick had he stayed in school. As long as
Moe doesn't run them to death, they should be fixtures in Denver for
years to come. They've still got 2 stiffs left though. Speculation is
that JBC will be waived, and they're stuck with Rasmussen.
Danny-boy Ainge returns home to Oregon. More depth for the
Blazers.
Milwaukee is definetely the front-runner for the all-stiff
team award(Schayes, Sikma, Bruer, Mokeski, etc.). And then
they give up one of their best players for the stiff that has the name
to match:
BRICK-owski. :-)
glen j.
|
| 8.2275 | | REFINE::ASHE | This ain't no Shangrala... | Thu Aug 02 1990 19:19 | 1 |
| As said before... The Bucks don't have Breuer, they have Lohaus...
|
| 8.2276 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | Sixers=Atlantic Div Champs | Thu Aug 02 1990 20:23 | 19 |
| re: the Sixers deal
Based on what they need, Manute isn't that bad a choice. He gives the
Sixers two things they didn't have last season.... size and shot
blocking. Jimmy Lynam is projecting him to be an 18 to 25 minute guy,
which may be stretching it. But on the whole, I'm not that upset with
the deal. The Sixers have had a few problems with draft choices
(anybody want Kenny Payne) and they get to use him a year early. I'll
reserve final judgement until the season in over. If they play anywhere
near what they did last year, the draft choice they gave up will be
pretty low. The other thing to keep in mind is that Manute is really
replacing Kurt Nimphius and given the choice, I'll take the Sudanese
Sultan of Swat.
In related news, The Sixers are reportedly close to signing Derek
Smith.
Dennis
|
| 8.2277 | Get a good big man | RONALD::VENDER | | Fri Aug 03 1990 10:28 | 17 |
| The Sixers' really need an effective middle man. Mahorn just didn't do
the job for them in the stretch last year(from what I saw at least). I
only saw them play occasionally, but each time I couldn't believe how
ineffectively Mahorn played. I was at Game 4 or 5 of the Chicago-76er
playoffs and I couldn't get over how lame the middle men were
playing.(Mahorn & Cartwright) The G-man was hot from outside, but he
didn't do any damage. They have to stop relying on Barkley to take
control of their game. I couldn't believe how sluggish & dead tired he
was by the time the Bulls made their big run to put the 6ers out of the
game by the end of the 3rd. I may be way off base in this, so correct
me if I'm wrong; but these things were glaringly obvious to me in the
76ers games that I did see this past year. I don't think Bol is the
answer to their problems, they neeed a solid power player in the
middle.
TomR
|
| 8.2278 | | GOOBER::ROSS | I need a body bag | Fri Aug 03 1990 12:12 | 36 |
| Bob Hunt, Tom Haas, and I met last night to watch the rookie camp
players for the Hornets, Hawks, Heat, and Hmagic play a doubleheader
at Rock Hill, SC.
First game: Heat vs Magic
Nick Anderson was the class player on the court, although he seemed
to be unhappy about being there. Anyone know if he was in camp early
on his own or was he "asked" to attend?
Heat won the game... Milt Wagner was very good. Bimbo "Vernell" Coles
was also steady. Dennis Nutt, a Mark-Price-alike was hot from the outside
in the first half. Heat also had a 6'10 athletic center, who was active under
the boards and showed some good inside moves and could run the floor.
Jim Rowinski, aka "The Incredible Bulk", a Purdue grad, was steady, but
unspectacular. Would win a posedown with Karl Malone, though.
Second game: Hornets vs Hawks
Hawks won by about 10 after leading by 25+ and having the Hornets fight
back to 10 points with four minutes to go. Rumeal Robinson is the
real deal. His backcourt mate, Steve Bardo out of Illinois, was also
not too shabby. A Bardo/Robinson backcourt would sure look nice on
the Celtics.
For the Hornets, Randolph Keys was perhaps the best player on the court.
Big,slow, white guys Dave Hoppen and Doug Roth {my lisping brother} were
depressingly bad. Token Tar Heel Ranzino Smith scored a number of hoops
that Dean would have disapproved of in the context of the PROGRAM. Robert
Brickey showed his athletic skills, but doesn't have all the tools. Second
round pick Stephen Scheffler {another Purdue grad} was okay. He was on
the floor for the entire comeback and displayed enthusiasm and great vocal
range... He did get faked out of his jock on one play, soaring skyward
{ala James Worthy} as the guy with the ball dribbled past him.
|
| 8.2279 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | Sixers=Atlantic Div Champs | Fri Aug 03 1990 12:27 | 27 |
| re: 76ers
I agree that the Sixers (barkley and Mahorn) were exhausted in the
playoffs last season. Mahorn was playing way too many minutes last
season toward the end (30+ per game). Bol should help reduce this.
Barkley shouldn't need to play 40+ minutes a game but last year the
Sixers seemed to play every game like it was the 7th game of the NBA
finals. Also, Charles had a shoulder injury for about the last six
weeks. He's had offseason surgery on it and shopuld be 100% by the time
the season starts. If Manute plays more effectively than Niphius did,
it should give the Sixers big men more rest and they might have a
little more gas left for the playoffs.
WHile I would have liked a more well rounded center to take the heat
off of everyone else, they really aren't available. Unless we could
have gotten Robinson or Akeem for that 1st round pick, I don't think
anyone else was there. Brickowski certainly wouldn't be the answer.
re: Rowinski
He' a load. He was one of the 76ers last cuts last year (it came down
to him or Bob Thorton). If Jim doesn't make it in the NBA, he looks
like he could cut it in the WWF.
Dennis
|
| 8.2280 | More on Southern Rookie Review | SHALOT::HUNT | Wyld Stallyns Rules | Fri Aug 03 1990 13:10 | 63 |
| 8.2281 | Not much difference here | 4159::NAZZARO | Don't mention the resemblance! | Fri Aug 03 1990 18:10 | 6 |
| Re. the ages of Pressey and Brickowski:
Paul Pressey - born 12/24/58
Frank Brickowski - born 8/14/59
NAZZ
|
| 8.2282 | Perkins a Laker | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Tue Aug 07 1990 09:53 | 4 |
| Sam Perkins has signed a multi-year deal with LA Lakers, for reportedly
$3M a year. Now we know why they unloaded Woolridge.
TTom
|
| 8.2283 | | GOLF::KINGR | Save the EARTH, we may need it later!!! | Tue Aug 07 1990 11:56 | 4 |
| Perkins signed with the Lakers... Can Dallas match the offer and keep
him?
REK
|
| 8.2284 | | DOCTP::TESSIER | Istanbul or Constantinople | Tue Aug 07 1990 11:58 | 4 |
| No. He was an unrestricted free agent. It's a done deal. Perkins
is a Laker.
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.2285 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Buzzed by the Blue Angels.... | Tue Aug 07 1990 12:31 | 16 |
| Latest Laker rumour is trading Byron Scott and AC Green to the Cavs
for John Williams and Craig Ehlo.
Perkins is a great pickup for the Lakers. He scores, passes and
runs the floor better than AC Green, and he can rebound.
If they did make the deal with the Cavs, a forward rotation of Perkins,
WOrthy and WIlliams would be very tough. If they traded Scott,
however, would Ehlo start with Magic?
Also heard that an Italian team has offered Cooper big money. Take
it Micheal....(This would also free up another chunk of money for
the Lakers....)
JD
|
| 8.2286 | | TOPDWN::METZGER | Head Northwest young man.... | Tue Aug 07 1990 12:33 | 7 |
|
I think I heard through a half stupor this morning that Reggie Lewis's agent
said that this would be his last year with the Celtics. Is this true or was I
just having another Fungus dream?
Metz
|
| 8.2287 | Lewis apparently not a happy camper | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Help Jane, stop this crazy thing! | Tue Aug 07 1990 12:45 | 7 |
| re .2286:
There was an article in the Globe to that effect this morning; I didn't
read it so I can't comment on what it said.
py
|
| 8.2288 | | UPWARD::HEISER | gentle & strong | Tue Aug 07 1990 14:02 | 3 |
| AC Green is a better rebounder. Perkins is a wimp!
Mike
|
| 8.2289 | | DOCTP::TESSIER | Istanbul or Constantinople | Tue Aug 07 1990 14:21 | 3 |
| Yeah, you're right, Mike -- Sam Perkins is no Ed Nealy!
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.2290 | More bad Celtics news... | BUILD::MORGAN | Boggs Watch: 73 to go | Tue Aug 07 1990 14:29 | 10 |
| The Globe reports that Lewis' agent has said he will not even negotiate
with the Celtics now, or when the season ends. THIS IS HIS LAST YEAR
WITH THE CELTICS. Reggie has a new agent, Jerome Stanley, who is also
Brian Shaw's agent. Something very strange that isn't being reported is
going on. I've heard somewhere that the problem with Shaw is Alan
Cohen, co-owner of the team.
This agent sounds like he fits the Howard Slusher mold.
Steve
|
| 8.2291 | | RGB::DICHIARA | peter | Tue Aug 07 1990 14:31 | 4 |
|
if i remember correctly, perkins started quite a few games at center,
and played very well there.
|
| 8.2292 | | REFINE::ASHE | Back 2 life, back 2 reality... | Tue Aug 07 1990 14:41 | 1 |
| Where did Woolridge go?
|
| 8.2293 | Denver (NOT Orlando :-) | AKOV06::DCARR | Dee-ROY Brown leads parade in June! | Tue Aug 07 1990 15:02 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.2294 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Tue Aug 07 1990 15:07 | 3 |
|
Lewis is rumored headed to LA (Lakers)... he wants to play with
Magic.
|
| 8.2295 | | PNO::HEISER | cold rock the groove | Tue Aug 07 1990 18:46 | 4 |
| Hot Rod is rumored to be coming to Phoenix. He wants to play for a
real contender in the west!
Mike
|
| 8.2296 | Nice to banter with ya again Mike! | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | Just do it! | Wed Aug 08 1990 10:54 | 5 |
| Then it MUST be a rumor Mike. Like you said, he wants to play
for a REAL contender! ;^) I can think of 3 other contenders
in the West.
Bret
|
| 8.2297 | | UPWARD::HEISER | boycott hell! | Wed Aug 08 1990 14:19 | 7 |
| Hey Bret, long time no hear! How'd the Lakers do in the playoffs this
year? ;-)
BTW - I'm going to be in Colorado Springs the last week of August.
I'll stop by so you can harass me in person ;-)
Mike
|
| 8.2298 | Stop on by! | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | Just do it! | Wed Aug 08 1990 14:50 | 6 |
| Yea Mike, we'll have to get together for some brews or something
with Jesse and others. We'll have to have some anti-Laker fans
to balance it out for ya. Should be an interesting season in the
west.
Bret
|
| 8.2299 | English to join Dallas | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Fri Aug 10 1990 15:18 | 4 |
| According to today's paper, Alex English will be a Maverick very soon.
With Perkins gone, the Mav's have alot of leeway with the salary cap.
Word is they have outbid the Jazz to aquire English. The signing is
imminent.
|
| 8.2300 | ODE to ALEX | DENVER::TOMPKINS | | Wed Aug 15 1990 21:26 | 11 |
| Farewell ALEX!!! Denver's loss will be Dallas's gain, twofold. Alex
ain't the player he used to be, but he delivered. In spite of Doug Moe,
he delivered. Through double teams and consistent muggings....he
delivered. With class. He was never a blowhard in the media, never a
whiner...just a great player for the Nuggets. A leader of men.
The last year was turbulent, but quite frankly, in extremely difficult
circumstances he still averager 17 ppg. He delivered. I'm a Nuggets
fan, but I will cast a admiring eye to Dallas the next couple of years.
You have two crown jewell Nuggets in Fat and Alex. I hope you get to
the finals, I hope you get a ring. Fat and Alex deserve no less.
|
| 8.2301 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Thu Aug 16 1990 13:33 | 7 |
| It's going to be interesting to see how English fits in on a defense-oriented
team. If he was shunned in Denver because of his unwillingness to play D, it
will be exponentially worse in Dallas. But I think Dallas will be more willing
to use him in the role for which he's best suited - explosive scorer off the
bench. Time will tell.
j.
|
| 8.2302 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Go Brewers! I'm getting thirsty!! | Thu Aug 16 1990 14:06 | 7 |
| The Lakers are involved in more trade rumors than Carter's has
liver pills. One has Scott, Worthy, and Divac to Houston for Akeem
(fat change) and the other has Scott and A.C. to Cleveland for Hot
Rod (equally fat chance). Guess the press out on the left coast
has written off Byron.
/Don
|
| 8.2303 | | CRUISE::JBONIN | John Bonin, U.S. Data Warehouse DBA | Thu Aug 16 1990 14:48 | 6 |
| Is it true that English is the 8th leading scorer in NBA history?
I heard that when they talked about the trade.
John
|
| 8.2305 | Michael flies the Coop | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Thu Aug 16 1990 15:04 | 3 |
| Michael Cooper will be leaving LA for Italy. The Lakers will waive him
and he has made it very clear that he will not play for any NBA team
who tries to claim him.
|
| 8.2306 | with a little help | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu Aug 16 1990 15:16 | 3 |
| The Lakers HAVE waived Cooper. 10 years, 5 rings, not too shabby.
TTom
|
| 8.2307 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | LegitimateSportingPurpose?E.S.A.D.! | Thu Aug 16 1990 15:31 | 12 |
| Know who the has the record for most points scored in a season?
Yup.
Wilt Chamberlain.
Over 4000 points.... 1961-62 (I think), and something like
a 50+ point average per game.
Mike JN
|
| 8.2308 | NBA NEWS | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Nice sandcastle.... | Thu Aug 16 1990 17:16 | 11 |
| Detroit's negotiations with Vinnie Johnsons have stalled, and they
are reportedly interested in Celts Guard Dennis Johnsons.
The Cavs renounced the rights to Tree Rollins - they don't intend
to offer him a contract. Basically, they told Rollins to act like
a Tree and Leaf.
The Orlando Magic singed Greg Kite to a 1-year contra ct for half
a million.
JD
|
| 8.2309 | >><< | TRCO01::AHMED | | Thu Aug 16 1990 17:24 | 6 |
| > a tree and leaf....
I'm rooooooooling!
Nadeem
|
| 8.2310 | | PNO::HEISER | boycott hell! | Thu Aug 16 1990 17:53 | 9 |
| Re: Vinnie Johnson & Dennis Johnson
Some say Detroit is doing this because nobody in the '80s (except
Boston in '81) has won a championship without a Johnson on the team.
They want 3Peat bad!
Others say that Detroit is too cheap to buy anyone a new uniform.
Mike
|
| 8.2311 | Go Lakers! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Aug 17 1990 09:39 | 9 |
| It probably goes without saying that I'm now on the official Los
Angeles Lakers bandwagon, what with the signing of Sam Perkins. Can't
believe it - Sam & James united again!
Dan, you must be especially pleased. First the guy wins a contest for
you, then joins your favorite team. Congrats!
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.2312 | | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Thank you, Fay | Fri Aug 17 1990 14:47 | 12 |
| >Dan, you must be especially pleased. First the guy wins a contest for
>you, then joins your favorite team. Congrats!
I accept your congrats, but with some trepidation what with Sam joining
the Lakers. His play at Dallas at times has been less than inspired
and the Lakers will need him to give all, and at that salary, he'd
better.
A team that led the league in victories last year has made sweeping
changes. I don't know if that's good or bad.
Dan
|
| 8.2313 | | REFINE::ASHE | Wiggle it... just a little bit... | Fri Aug 17 1990 14:59 | 6 |
| English is supposed to back up McCray.
Jay Vincent has also headed to Italy.
I hope the Pistons can hold onto VJ for one more year. And
give Dumars a raise...
|
| 8.2314 | Hot Rod for $28M? | 33945::HAAS | same as talking to you | Mon Aug 20 1990 10:09 | 5 |
| I heard on the morning radio news that Miami Heat had offered Hot Rod
Williams $28M for 7 years! Has anyone heard this? Confirmation is
requested.
TTom
|
| 8.2315 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Mon Aug 20 1990 11:01 | 6 |
| I heard Embry quoted as saying that he expected Hot Rod to accept a substantial
offer from the Miami Heat. Don't blame them for staying away from this bid.
The numbers you've quoted are consistent with those that I heard - $28 million
over 7 years.
j.
|
| 8.2316 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Mon Aug 20 1990 13:28 | 6 |
|
Will Cleveland match the offer? They should match the offer and then
trade him to Miami... He's not worth $4 million/year, and it'll
kill the Cavs salary structure... just think what Daugherty and
Price will want...
|
| 8.2317 | | RSST6::RIGGEN | Burley from biking | Mon Aug 20 1990 14:11 | 4 |
| Terry Mills (Nuggets) is going to sign a 1 year contract with the Italian
league. This will leave the rebuilding Nuggets hurting bad at Center.
Jeff
|
| 8.2318 | Is money no object? | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Thank you, Fay | Mon Aug 20 1990 16:11 | 7 |
| >I heard Embry quoted as saying that he expected Hot Rod to accept a substantial
>offer from the Miami Heat. Don't blame them for staying away from this bid.
I thought that it was Cleveland's intention to match any offer to Hot
Rod. The team can't afford his loss.
Dan
|
| 8.2319 | But $28 million? Don't think they expected *that*. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Mon Aug 20 1990 16:58 | 0 |
| 8.2320 | as puzzled as everyone | CNTROL::CHILDS | No One Here gets Out Alive | Tue Aug 21 1990 11:14 | 7 |
|
Dan, I'd say Jeff's right they never expected an offer like this to be on
the table. What's happening with Miami, this is very much out of character
with the way they were supposed to build their franchise. Perhaps Ms. Petrie
has the inside scoop for us?
mike
|
| 8.2321 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Tue Aug 21 1990 12:10 | 7 |
|
Miami is denying that the offer to Williams is anywhere near $28
million for 7 years. I'd believe the offer to be in the 2.5-3.0
milliion per year for 4 or 5 years... say 4 year, $12 million...
in which case, the Cavs would probably match the offer.
|
| 8.2322 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | I'm sleeping and I can't get up | Thu Aug 23 1990 13:10 | 18 |
|
Celtics signed Reggie Lewis to a 5-year, $16,500,000.00 contract
(just had to add all those zeros to make it look bigger.)
Averaging 16 points a game, that comes down to $2,578.13 per point.
Maybe they should add bells to the baskets so we could hear the
ring of a cash register every time a ball swishes through.
Is this the guy the Celtics consider "the franchise" for the next
five years?
According to the sports talking heads on the tube, he is now one
of the top five highest paid players. One mentioned that he's even
higher than Jordan. Wow.
Dickster
|
| 8.2323 | Boston Celtics - Ship of Fools (moved by mod) | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Thu Aug 23 1990 14:57 | 27 |
| AKOAGS::GYOUNG "Trouble in the Suez" 17 lines 23-AUG-1990 10:47
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unbelievable !!
The Celtics sign Reggie Lewis to a 5 year contract extension worth
$16.5 mil ....... $3.3 mil/year.
What a screwed up process; Lewis tells the media at a (non) news
conference that he'll play out the year in Boston ..... then see what
happens. Within hours, the Celtics give the guy $16.5 .......
Reggie Lewis is not worth that amount ....... I think the Celtics have
made a serious error in signing him to that much money. They're
setting a dangerous precedent for existing players and also for future
draft choices.
I can't believe it ........ foolish.
Greg
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By the time Reggis Lewis is in the 5th year of his contract,
he'll be underpaid. The Celtics got the money.
/Don
|
| 8.2324 | :^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | Bart Gimble,Jerry Hubbard,Happy Kine | Thu Aug 23 1990 15:03 | 8 |
|
If they trade Bird (fat chance) Lewis could start at his more suited posistion
of small forward and he'd be underpaid by the second year of his contract.
Just ask the Lakers who physically mamed him last year in the Forum to get
him off the court before he buried them....
mike
|
| 8.2325 | Who wouldn't want a contract like that? | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Thank you, Fay | Thu Aug 23 1990 15:38 | 17 |
| Good for Reggie Lewis! He's been underpaid the last few years,
severely, and the Celtics didn't take him seriously until he bring in
an aggressive young agent who really did the job for him. Have you
read all the bad press over the last few weeks about Jerome Stanley?
You'd think the guy was a child rapist or something the way the
Celtics, particularly Red, and their mouthpieces in the media,
particularly McDonough, talked about him.
And now Stanley gets his client, who's probably around (very rough
estimate here) the 40th to 50th most valuable property in the NBA the
2nd or 3rd best contract in the NBA. And today, Willy McD is telling
us that the Celtics would have given him the money anyway, without the
side show of Stanley. Yeah, right Will. Go write a column about the
Patriots front office, where at least you get tips from people who have
a clue...
Dan
|
| 8.2326 | Really upset the applecart | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Thank you, Fay | Thu Aug 23 1990 15:42 | 6 |
| BTW, did everyone notice how different it was when nice white Larry
Bird and nice white Bob Woolf were the ones taking the Celtics to the
cleaners at contract time? The stories planted in the press then were
so much, well, nicer.
Dan
|
| 8.2327 | | LUNER::BRAKE | A Question of Balance | Thu Aug 23 1990 19:36 | 6 |
| I'm with Dan on this one. The Celtics of today are certainly losing
their lustre in my eyes. All the Stanley angles with Shaw, Italy, etc
are ridiculous. More power to Reggie!
Rich
|
| 8.2328 | Great move, Dave Gavitt... And congrats, Reg. | AKOV06::DCARR | Dave Gavitt for Governor | Thu Aug 23 1990 22:05 | 25 |
| The discussion at the Celtics conference is much more positive than in
Sports... (anybody else not surprised :-).
The Celtics, Dave Gavitt in particular, have, by signing Reggie, served
notice that they are serious about competing for the title in the 90's.
I can't believe some of the notes I read in here - if they had instead
let him go to Italy for the same amount, you probably would've been
saying that the C's screwed up, that they should have broken down and
paid the franchise what he is worth!
One noter had it right: he who signs the last contract gets the most
bucks! I think tying Reggie up for the next 6 years is GREAT from the
Celtics perspective, and all I hope is that Reggie has enough class not
to try and negotiate three years from now when he's averaging 25 a
night in the post-Bird era. $3.5 m. will likely be below average in 5
years, but hey, the player now has the security, and the team can plan.
As Dave G. said on the radio last night, "the litmus test of a good deal
is one in which all parties are satisfied. And that was achieved here
today". (or words to that effect)... And I agree 100%.
Now if they can only find a fountain of youth on their next trip to
Florida for their front line, I'll be making parade reservations..
ML
|
| 8.2329 | Green-colored shades re-emerge | AKOV11::GYOUNG | Trouble in the Suez | Fri Aug 24 1990 13:50 | 20 |
| The Celtics have surpassed the RedSox and Patsies as now having the
most f***ed-up administration on the Boston pro sports scene.
Reggie Lewis is NOT worth that amount of money ..... and I seriously
doubt that he'll be underpaid in 5 years. Here's a 6-6 swingman who
can't handle the ball well enough to play a legitimate backcourt
postion in the NBA ..... and is limited to the small forward position.
I'm certain the Celtics conference is singing the praises of the
situation ...... given the condition of the club and the outlook for
this year what elso could happen in there.
Enter the Dee Brown situation, oh yes, and let's not forget Mr. Shaw,
he'll be a member soon and all will be forgotten, right ?
It's going to be bleak in the Gahden this year ..... and they're doing
it to themselves.
Greg
|
| 8.2330 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Bart Gimble,Jerry Hubbard,Happy Kine | Fri Aug 24 1990 15:23 | 11 |
|
Greg, given you're a Laker fanatic, it's easy to understand your point on
Lewis. Obviously you haven't watch the guy play very much. Lewis improved
his ball handling skills tenfold last year over the year before and it was
only his first year playing the shooting guard regularly. One can hope and
forsee more improvement in that area. If Sir Larry didn't have to get his
20 to 25 shots a night then Reggie might get a few more chances and average
20 points a game. If Larry left and he played small forward, he'd have Worthy
wishing he was as good....
mike
|
| 8.2331 | Closer to Gerald Wilkins than Worthy | AKOAGS::GYOUNG | Trouble in the Suez | Fri Aug 24 1990 18:16 | 21 |
| Mike ..... I don't know where you get the idea that I'm a Laker
fanatic. And whether I was one or not, that has no bearing on my
opinion of Lewis vis-a-vis his recent contract signing.
To answer a couple of your points ...... I have seen Lewis play quite
a bit. I don't have SportsChannel, but I catch their games that are
on 56 or nationaly-televised ..... that accounts to better than 50% of
their games/year.
Lewis did improve his ballhandling skills last year ..... tremendously
over the previous year ..... but, in my opinion, he still is only
mediocre.
How can you compare Worthy and Lewis ...... one's been around 8 or so
years, has 5 championships and several All-Star appearances and the
other just got overpaid by about 1.5 mil/year.
Great..... now we're gonna have the Reggie Lewis Jihad emerge.
Greg
|
| 8.2332 | Another one bites the grade! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Time to get tough! | Fri Aug 24 1990 19:37 | 6 |
| Stanley Roberts announced today that he couldn't keep his grades up
to NCAA par. So, he's going over-seas to play ball till the NBA draft
comes along.
B.A.
|
| 8.2333 | Tear up McHale's contract! NOW! | BUILD::MORGAN | Boggs Watch: 51 to go | Mon Aug 27 1990 09:26 | 6 |
| And I wonder what Kevin McHale is thinking about all this? Shouldn't
the Celtics do the right thing, and tear up his present contract? He
probably won't say anything, being the type of person he is, but there's
no way Lewis is worth over twice as much as McHale.
Steve
|
| 8.2334 | So much for the CAVS chances! | SNDCSL::HAUSRATH | Too many projects, not enough time | Mon Aug 27 1990 11:08 | 8 |
|
Anyone have any details on the contract offered to Hot-Rod Williams by
Miami? I saw a blurb on CNN about it, but they didn't give any
details.
Is Cleveland gonna shell out the bucks to keep him?
/Jeff
|
| 8.2335 | Suuure they will. | LUDWIG::WHITEHAIR | Don't just sit there.......Do it now! | Mon Aug 27 1990 12:03 | 8 |
|
Yes! They will give Hot Rod what he wants, but, only after giving
Price and Daughtery a raise. Now, I've also heard that after signing
Hot Rod, they may trade him. If they don't trade him, the Cavs
will have the highest paid team in the NBA.
o
GO CAVS!
|
| 8.2336 | Uh oh .... :-) | FRSBEE::BROOKS | SPORTS' Reverse Racist Rabblerouser | Mon Aug 27 1990 12:11 | 9 |
|
re .2330
> If Larry left and he [Lewis] played small forward, he'd have Worthy
> wishing he was as good....
... and people say *I* know how to stir the pot ! :-)
DrM
|
| 8.2337 | Hot Rod to the Heat | 21388::PETRIE | on-line and dangerous! | Mon Aug 27 1990 20:08 | 39 |
|
Hot Rod's offer
---------------
The Heat's offer sheet is for $26.5M over seven years, and it
isn't just the amount of money that will give the Cavs
headaches: Miami frontloaded it like this
1990-1 $5.0M
1991-2 $4.0M which means that Cleveland has
1992-3 $4.0M to sort out salary cap issues with
1993-4 $4.0M Daughtery, Nance and ...oh heck,
1994-5 $3.5M somebody else. The way the Sun
1995-6 $3.5M _Sentinel says it sounds as though
1996-7 $2.5M the Cavs not only have to match the
money but the _structure_ of the money as well. Is that right?
Meanwhile, H.R. is quoted as having chosen to be "offered to"
by the Heat because Schaffel and Cunningham made the trip to
his hometown in Louisiana a few weeks ago, where they
supposedly were interested in how he grew up & what kind of a
person he is. Hot Rod liked that - especially since no other
team, including the Pistons, did it. Makes me wonder about
relative salary cap constraints between Miami and Detroit even
as I admire Williams' taste for the personal touch in
negotiations. ;^)
Speaking of which, I did read in the Herald that Detroit had
been shopping Salley and Aguirre in the hopes of squeezing Hot
Rod under their cap.
No one in Miami really believes they're going to get Williams.
Schaffel said something about given the history of the host
teams matching offer sheets - and Williams' value to Cleveland
- he doubts anything will come of this. "But everyone would be
disappointed if we didn't try," he added.
Kathy
|
| 8.2338 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Tue Aug 28 1990 11:09 | 7 |
|
Cleveland can resign their own players without regard to the salary
cap. They'll give Daugherty and Price a raise and then match the
offer. Sorry, HOT ROD will be staying in Cleveland.
iceMAN
|
| 8.2339 | Maybe U-shaped contracts will come in vogue? | AKOV06::DCARR | Just call me Carr-nac | Tue Aug 28 1990 17:05 | 10 |
| Even so, a smart move by Miami, structuring the contract like that
where they have so much room now. The only thing is, I would've given
him less in the next few years, with a 'baloon' over the last two...
Because don't the last couple of years figure in to what gets freed up
under the cap when that player retires?
This whole salary cap thing is really starting to bug me...
ML
|
| 8.2340 | The Tree a Piston? | CSC32::B_GRAHAM | Just do it! | Wed Sep 05 1990 10:06 | 4 |
| I noticed in USA Today that the Detroit Pistons have agreed to
terms with Tree Rollins. What do they want with him?
Bret
|
| 8.2341 | my guess | CNTROL::CHILDS | and the wind it cried Mary.. | Wed Sep 05 1990 10:34 | 7 |
|
Detroit's game is defense and Tree is a better than average defensive player.
It would also give them more flexibility to move Salley. Don't know why they
want to trade John but it seems every time a Detroit deal gets mentioned he's
involved...
mike
|
| 8.2342 | A good insurance policy | WORDY::NAZZARO | Bill Laimbeer is the Anti-Christ | Wed Sep 05 1990 13:03 | 7 |
| Pistons lost free agent F David Greenwood to San Antonio last week.
Signing Rollins fills his roster spot, and is also a good hedge
against Bedford drugging out or either of the two old men up front
(Laimbeer is 34; Edwards 36) reaching senility early or getting an
injury.
NAZZ
|
| 8.2343 | Thomas wants Bedford out ??? | SHALOT::HUNT | Wyld Stallyns Rules | Wed Sep 05 1990 13:38 | 16 |
| Re: The Pistons
I dimly recall reading something this past weekend that said that Isiah
Thomas, who has an unspoken but powerful grip on the makeup of the
team, all but gave William Bedford the kiss of death.
Something about a summer all-star game that Isiah put together.
Apparently, he chose the teams and put all his Piston "buddies" on one
side and put Bedford and some other non-Pistons on the other side.
Then he was quoted as saying that Bedford has no value to the team.
So, signing Rollins may indeed be partly the result of Thomas' urgings.
Who knows ???
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.2344 | | REFINE::ASHE | Wiggle it... just a little bit... | Wed Sep 05 1990 14:35 | 5 |
| I don't know. It does give them a backup center, which Bedford isn't
doing a lot about, and can move Salley back to power forward. Makes
more sense to me than Hot Rod...
-Walt
|
| 8.2345 | | UPWARD::HEISER | live your life for a change | Wed Sep 05 1990 15:03 | 1 |
| Because Tree bites! He's Detroit's type of player!
|
| 8.2346 | I couldn't resist | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Tools? What Tools? | Wed Sep 05 1990 15:32 | 11 |
|
> Isiah
> Thomas, who has an unspoken but powerful grip on the makeup of the
> team,
That's right! Isiah should learn to share the makeup, and the perfume
and dusting powder too!
Dickster
|
| 8.2347 | Tree bites the big one | CGVAX2::REEVE | | Wed Sep 05 1990 17:13 | 7 |
| Isaiah slaps
Lamebrain flops
Spider yaps
Worm grabs
Vinnie pouts
Markie sulks
and now they have a biter to round out their team skills.
|
| 8.2348 | Oops, left one out..Chuckie Sucks | CGVAX2::REEVE | | Wed Sep 05 1990 17:15 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.2349 | | REFINE::ASHE | Bases r loaded & Casey's at bat.. | Wed Sep 05 1990 18:05 | 4 |
| And they all wear those back-to-back caps... something Larry and
Co. can't touch.... or any other coach in the NBA right now...
|
| 8.2350 | shoker out of Denver | LITE::SALZER | | Thu Sep 06 1990 16:06 | 4 |
| After 10 years at the helm, Doug Moe was fired today as head
coach of the Denver Nuggets.
BoB
|
| 8.2351 | At Last!!!! | CSC32::LATOUR | TOUCH THIS !!! | Thu Sep 06 1990 20:55 | 10 |
|
Yea.....................................................
Alright.......................................................
Drewski
|
| 8.2352 | | PNO::HEISER | live your life for a change | Thu Sep 06 1990 22:03 | 3 |
| I guess all the veteran coaches are gone now!
Mike
|
| 8.2353 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his Lips...Know New Taxes!! | Fri Sep 07 1990 09:56 | 2 |
| I heard Westhaid may take his place.
Denny
|
| 8.2354 | now will they keep him or trade him? | CNTROL::CHILDS | and the wind it cried Mary.. | Fri Sep 07 1990 10:20 | 4 |
|
The Cavs matched the Miami heat offer to Hot Rod....
mike
|
| 8.2355 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Bring Back Gerry! | Fri Sep 07 1990 11:46 | 4 |
| Westhead will be named the new Denver coach at a press conference this
morning.
Joe
|
| 8.2356 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | LegitimateSportingPurpose?E.S.A.D.! | Fri Sep 07 1990 17:58 | 6 |
| Wusshaid is no Moe.
I'd like to see Doug teamed up with Frank Leyden (.? Utah Coach) as
announcers. That would be a riot!
Mike JN
|
| 8.2357 | Stirring ... | SHALOT::HUNT | Wyld Stallyns Rules | Fri Sep 07 1990 18:40 | 5 |
| Hmmm, Westhead leaves Loyola Marymount and heads for the pros.
Wonder what Mrs. Gathers thinks of all this ???
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.2358 | ;-) | UPWARD::HEISER | tune it or die | Fri Sep 07 1990 19:05 | 1 |
| Now Westhead can execute REVENGE against Magic!
|
| 8.2360 | | UPWARD::HEISER | rock solid! - a rockumentary | Wed Sep 12 1990 18:13 | 3 |
| re: -1
I don't like any of those proposed review changes!
|
| 8.2361 | Technical foul on 'Saw- too much sweat! | SASE::SZABO | | Wed Sep 12 1990 18:30 | 6 |
| I agree, Mike. Instead, dunking should be ruled offensive interferance
and only 4 fouls allowed (out on the 5th) per game. Also, eliminate
entirely the 3 point line and bring back the 3 to make 2 foul shot
penalty. Gotta do something about excessive sweating too. :-)
Hawk
|
| 8.2362 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Thu Sep 13 1990 10:20 | 4 |
| If it ain't broke don't fix it. The NBA will fix and fix until
they break it.
/Don
|
| 8.2363 | Mills Returning to Denver | BSS::JCOTANCH | Go Seahawks! Go Wolverines! | Thu Sep 13 1990 12:03 | 4 |
| Terry Mills has obtained a release from his pro team in Europe and will
be back with the Nuggets soon.
Joe
|
| 8.2364 | Williams to Seattle? | HBAHBA::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu Sep 20 1990 10:56 | 6 |
| There are rumors about John Williams, he of the $26+M deal, may be headed
to Seattle for Xavier McDaniel and Nate McMillan. Under terms of the
restricted free agency status, Hot Rod would have to approve the deal but
he's quoted as saying that playing with the Sonics sounds like fun.
TTom
|
| 8.2365 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his Lips...Know New Taxes!! | Thu Sep 20 1990 13:36 | 3 |
| David Wingate has been accused of rape by 2 different women this
week.
Denny
|
| 8.2366 | | FSHQA2::JRODOPOULOS | Hey Mon, How Many Jobs You Got Today ? | Thu Sep 20 1990 14:22 | 6 |
| > David Wingate has been accused of rape by 2 different women this
> week.
And one of them is 17 years old.
John "D Cowboys" R.
|
| 8.2367 | X is almost a franchise player! | WYNTON::BMCWILLIAMS | Improvise if you have to ... | Thu Sep 20 1990 19:36 | 10 |
| RE. Hot Rod Williams to Seattle
Granted, McDaniel's knees aren't so great, and Nate has never turned into the
all-around point guard the Sonics needed ... but is Hot Rod the best power
forward they can get in exchange?!
What are the Sonics trying to do, take up some space to meet the salary cap?
;-)
Brian
|
| 8.2368 | | GOLF::KINGR | Save the EARTH, we may need it later!!! | Fri Sep 21 1990 09:58 | 4 |
| M.L. Carr is going to be here in Northboro today from 11-1 in the
ALcove across from the cage.
REK
|
| 8.2369 | | DOCTP::TESSIER | Istanbul or Constantinople | Fri Sep 21 1990 10:00 | 17 |
| I think the deal makes sense for Seattle. McMillan has never
given them the kind of offensive production they've wanted, and
now that Payton is on board to handle the point, Nate is expend-
able. Seems the problem with the X-man is that they've got two
small forwards. McKey becomes THE small forward if X goes.
This deal doesn't solve their problems at center, but Hot Rod
could split his time between power forward and center. If Kemp
comes along, they could be very potent with a starting lineup of
Payton
Ellis
Kemp
Mckey
Hot Rod
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.2370 | | NRADM::BURGESS | | Fri Sep 21 1990 11:04 | 1 |
| Where is the ALcove and the cage?????
|
| 8.2371 | | GOLF::KINGR | Save the EARTH, we may need it later!!! | Fri Sep 21 1990 11:27 | 3 |
| Right across from the cafe...
Rick
|
| 8.2372 | | DELNI::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Sep 21 1990 11:35 | 10 |
|
> M.L. Carr is going to be here in Northboro today from 11-1 in the
> ALcove across from the cage.
I had the unexpected pleasure of shaking M.L.'s hand a couple of weeks
ago here in LKG. Was leaving a meeting room, turned around, and there
he was. Who's he working for?
glenn
|
| 8.2373 | Very pleasant guy, actually | BUILD::MORGAN | Boggs Watch: 20 to go | Fri Sep 21 1990 11:56 | 9 |
| He was here at the Mill a few months ago. At that time, he had his own
company called Carr Chemical Co. or some such. I'm not sure exactly
what type of chemical products he's into tough :-). I talked to him
for maybe 5 minutes about his kids and mine. About a month later I
bumped into him at the Natick Mall and to my surprise he approached
me. We each had our kids (he had his son) with us and introduced them
to one another. My six year old said, "M.L. who?"
Steve
|
| 8.2374 | ML Carr is towel-waving slime ! | LUNER::BROOKS | I can make it 'mo better .... | Fri Sep 21 1990 12:13 | 1 |
| YOur son has good taste Steve .... :-)
|
| 8.2375 | Of course he went downhill... | REFINE::ASHE | Bo knows your girlfriend | Fri Sep 21 1990 15:34 | 1 |
| ML ain't so bad... he started out a Piston...
|
| 8.2376 | | ACTING::MACGREGOR | | Mon Sep 24 1990 10:38 | 5 |
| I am looking for a list of players that are injured and there expected
return date. If someone could post them, or post a pointer to said
list, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
The Wizard
|
| 8.2377 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Mon Sep 24 1990 10:47 | 8 |
| >> I am looking for a list of players that are injured and there expected
>> return date. If someone could post them, or post a pointer to said
>> list, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
You're not likely to find it until closer to the season. Try around
mid-October.
j.
|
| 8.2378 | I don't own no chemical company! | AKOV06::DCARR | Too bad we cant vote the DEC ins out | Mon Sep 24 1990 10:56 | 7 |
| Gee, thanks for the kind words, but I've got to find out who this
imposter is that keeps showing up in places I've never been to!
'Course, it sounds like he's nicer than me, so maybe I'll just let him
keep on doing it - after all, imitation IS the sincerest form of
flattery, right?
ML
|
| 8.2379 | Hot Rod nixed the Seattle deal | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Tue Sep 25 1990 17:09 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.2380 | Jerry West does it again | DOCTP::TESSIER | Istanbul or Constantinople | Tue Sep 25 1990 21:38 | 5 |
| The Lakers have traded next year's number 1 draft pick to Golden State
for swingman Terry Teagle. Teagle is 30-years-old and averaged 16
points a game last season while shooting 48 percent from the field.
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.2381 | what have you done for me lately? ;-) | UPWARD::HEISER | who is not afraid, who walks tall, who are we | Wed Sep 26 1990 13:44 | 7 |
| Re: -1
Doesn't help them against Phoenix. The Suns had their way with the
Warriors and Majerle manhandles Teagle consistently. Chambers does the
same for Perkins.
Mike
|
| 8.2382 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Wed Sep 26 1990 15:14 | 5 |
| Doug Moe's son has filed a reverse discrimination complaint against
the Nuggets. He claims he was fired because the the management is
bent on having an all black staff.
BoB
|
| 8.2383 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Don't Touch Me There... | Wed Sep 26 1990 15:30 | 9 |
| BoB, this has nothing to do with you.
I always cringe when I read about 'reverse discrimination'.
Discrimination is discrimination. Discrimination is not automatically
white discriminating against black. Discriminationis an act of
prejudice, and it knows no racial barrier. Moe's son has filed
a discrimination complaint.
JD
|
| 8.2384 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers... Pants for |CENSORED|s | Wed Sep 26 1990 17:21 | 3 |
| They can't have an all black staff. Westhead is white!
/Don
|
| 8.2385 | | DELNI::G_WAUGAMAN | | Wed Sep 26 1990 17:40 | 5 |
|
Maybe the Nuggets will file a counter-suit for nepotism...
glenn
|
| 8.2386 | | FSHQA2::JRODOPOULOS | Hey Mon, How Many Jobs You Got Today ? | Wed Sep 26 1990 18:26 | 5 |
| This racial discrimination stuff is going too far, but it will be
interesting to see if Rev Al Sharpton will come to Moe's defence.
Al claiims to find injustice doesn't he ?
John "D Cowboys" R.
|
| 8.2387 | No reason for Suns fans to be cocky going into this season | DOCTP::TESSIER | Istanbul or Constantinople | Wed Sep 26 1990 18:41 | 11 |
| Re. .2381 --
Mike --
The Lakers won 63 games last year. Since the season ended,
they've added a legitimate power forward (Perkins) and a
backup shooting guard who can score in a hurry. Your Suns
have added Ed Nealy. I hate to tell you this, but Ed Nealy
does not strike fear into the hearts of Laker fans. :)
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.2388 | No reason for Laker fans to be cocky going into thisseason | UPWARD::HEISER | midnight moon weaving her chain | Wed Sep 26 1990 19:54 | 15 |
| Re: .2387
Ken,
The Suns won 55 games last year. They also ELIMINATED the Laker team
that won 63 games! Since the season ended, they've added Ed Nealy and
drafted/signed Negale Knight, Cedric Ceballos, and Jayson Williams. Your
Lakers added a forward (Perkins), who tends to be lazy and is complacent
(i.e., non-agressive), and a backup shooting guard who can score in a
hurry if the phase of the moon is right and the planets are aligned. I
hate to tell you this, but Perkins and Teagle do not strike fear into the
hearts of Suns fans. :) Especially when their matchups in Phoenix
continually school them all night long.
Mike
|
| 8.2389 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | Jump back!!! What's that sound? | Wed Sep 26 1990 20:17 | 1 |
| Mike, Phoenix sux
|
| 8.2390 | | UPWARD::HEISER | midnight moon weaving her chain | Wed Sep 26 1990 20:54 | 1 |
| ...but not nearly as much as LA!
|
| 8.2391 | Moe Jr. is pathetic. | CSC32::GL_JOHNSON | Elvis Is Dead! | Thu Sep 27 1990 00:39 | 18 |
| re: reverse discrimination/Nuggets
What a bunch of brama feces! Moe Jr. claims that the Nuggets are
'hell bent' on having an all-black staff. How does that explain Carl
Scheeer, the President? Or Paul Westhead and his assistants? Or the
trainer, Chopper Tavaglinni? He's just PO'd that he wasn't kept around
for the rebuilding process. I tend to think that Moe Sr. has something
to do with this, being that a) he and Bickerstaff were at odds, b)he was
very enthusiastic about working with Chris Jackson, and c)many fans and
media thought that firing Moe was a big mistake and were very vocal
about such.
Re: Heiser
They won't even get by the Clippers. Have a nice day!
glen j.
|
| 8.2392 | can't start 7 guys | CNTROL::CHILDS | Lord she had a way to fool me | Thu Sep 27 1990 10:23 | 10 |
| Lakers already had a decent power forward in AC and if we conceed Byron as
having an off year then all they've done is added bodies to the mix not im-
proved their biggest weakness a real man in the hole. Quiche eaters like
Thompson and Divac can't get it done during the playoffs when the game and
opponents become more physical. Plus as Jeff H. showed last year Magic has to
play more defense. Something I think he can do well against guys as tall as
him but smaller men who use their brains can successfully beat him....
mike
|
| 8.2393 | | DOCTP::TESSIER | Istanbul or Constantinople | Thu Sep 27 1990 10:39 | 12 |
| Re. -1
Thompson wasn't a quiche-eater prior to last season. With his
return to the more comfortable backup role this season, he should
do a better job on the boards than last season when he was a starter.
Divac does indeed need to improve the physical side of his game.
But it's not like the guy can't rebound. He grabbed more boards
last year than Duckworth did while playing far fewer minutes than
the Duck. A second line of Perkins, Campbell, and Thompson should
be able to do a solid job on the boards.
Laker_Ken
|
| 8.2394 | Magic and Michael giveaway | HBAHBA::HAAS | same as talking to you | Thu Sep 27 1990 11:48 | 5 |
| Magic has joined Michael Jordan in the elite largesse club. Like Michael
he took a pay cut so that the Lakers could sign Teagle. Michael did this
for Dennis Hopson.
TTom
|
| 8.2395 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers... Pants for |CENSORED|s | Thu Sep 27 1990 12:21 | 5 |
| WFAN reported that it was not a paycut but his salary was being
deferred. Looks like it isn't only the Celtics who look for loopholes
in the salary cap eh Dan?
/Don
|
| 8.2396 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Joan of Arc, M. Terresa, Magic | Thu Sep 27 1990 12:33 | 2 |
|
|
| 8.2397 | HAHAHAHA!!!! Good one, Denny! | SASE::SZABO | | Thu Sep 27 1990 13:04 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.2398 | Nice gesture in hopes of winning | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Nuke the New Kids!! | Thu Sep 27 1990 16:06 | 8 |
| >Looks like it isn't only the Celtics who look for loopholes
>in the salary cap eh Dan?
Is this supposed to wound me, /Dandy/Don? Deferred salaries have been
around for a long while gumming up the salary cap intent. Did I
complain when the Celtics did it? [No.]
Dan
|
| 8.2399 | This seems blatantly wrong to me. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Thu Sep 27 1990 16:37 | 10 |
| Not to start a rat hole but how in the hey can the NBA get away with
this salary cap thing anyway. In accordance with our capitalistic
society shouldn't players be payed what the market will bear?
This smacks of an anti-trust violation. Is it yet another example of
how sports is able to get away with Constitutional violations while the
rest of business isn't?!
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.2400 | | DELNI::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Sep 27 1990 17:06 | 15 |
|
> Not to start a rat hole but how in the hey can the NBA get away with
> this salary cap thing anyway. In accordance with our capitalistic
> society shouldn't players be payed what the market will bear?
The NBA Players' Association negotiated for a percentage of gross
revenues, hence the salary cap on each team to implement the
percentage. Sort of like your normal union-negotiated profit-sharing
arrangement.
Not perfect, but a damn sight fairer than baseball's collusion or the
NFL's out-and-out monopolistic slavery.
glenn
|
| 8.2401 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Lord she had a way to fool me | Thu Sep 27 1990 17:17 | 6 |
|
Besides Chris the players ain't bitchin and they'd be the ones to do it if
it mattered. Atleast they have real free agency and a drug program that works.
mike
|
| 8.2402 | Different types of leagues | SHALOT::HUNT | Wyld Stallyns Rules | Thu Sep 27 1990 17:21 | 11 |
| The NBA is a player's league. Almost all the NBA owners realize their
product is on the floor.
Baseball and the NFL are owner's leagues. Very few of those owners
believe that they make their money on the playing field. Given the
huge tube contracts, it's not hard to see their point. Hence, the
poor relations between labor and management.
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.2403 | The player is ALWAYS the product | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Nuke the New Kids!! | Thu Sep 27 1990 18:07 | 14 |
| >The NBA is a player's league. Almost all the NBA owners realize their
>product is on the floor.
>Baseball and the NFL are owner's leagues
I don't follow this, Bob. I think all three leagues are remarkably the
same in these respects. Where they differ, with respect to their
collective bargaining agreements is the strength and persistence of
their union, and especially their union leaders. Fleisher is given the
monster's share of the credit for the system in place in the NBA, and I
believe rightfully so.
Dan
|
| 8.2404 | Big difference | SHALOT::HUNT | Wyld Stallyns Rules | Fri Sep 28 1990 00:55 | 36 |
| I respectfully disagree, Dan. The player is not always the product.
Baseball and football fans have proven that they come to watch the
games, not the players.
In baseball's case, the players switch uniforms faster than a revolving
door. They've had at least 3 separate labor crises. In 1981, 1985,
and earlier this spring. And the fans keep returning in record
numbers. The *game* is the product.
With football, we've had two separate strikes and quite a bit of
player turnover. Football players have very short careers compared to
baseball. Lots and lots of new faces. Yet the fans keep coming.
Again, the game is the product.
30,000 people will watch a game at Wrigley Field regardless of whether
Sandberg or Dawson are in the lineup. The 49ers will sell out the
Stick with Steve Young substituting at QB. They come to see the game.
Would you go to see the Utah Jazz if Karl Malone were on the DL ???
The Sixers without Barkley ??? Would you watch the Bulls without
Michael Jordan in the lineup ???
The players are the primary draw in the NBA. The owners know it and
they have a peaceful relationship with their players. Why else would
they share the revenue ???
Football and baseball are radically different. Fans come to see
whomever is wearing the team uniforms on that very day. Yes, Stewart
vs Clemens adds an extra air of excitement. But the same sellout crowd
is back the next day in Fenway to see Moore vs Boddicker, right ???
The owners try to rule with an iron fist because they know the players
don't have the clout that the NBA players have. Why else would
relations be so strained ???
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.2405 | Baseball free-agency *proved* that the players are the product | DELNI::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Sep 28 1990 12:14 | 24 |
|
I disagree as far as baseball is concerned. I definitely come to see
the players. Whether they change uniforms frequently or not, the
players are easily identifiable and their careers last longer than in
any other sport. Individuality has *always* been a major attraction in
baseball. There's no chance in hell you'd see people showing up for a
scab game.
The popularity of rotisserie baseball, for example, is living proof that
in baseball the players transcend their teams yet still remain the game.
I think you're confusing the elusive quality of player "disloyalty" with
indifference to the specific identities to the men on the field. I'd
believe that except for the fact that baseball fans more than any others
know and appreciate *all* the players, league-wide, rather than just
the locals.
I can see your point with football, although I'm sure there are some
die-hard fans out there who would disagree with you. Other than just a
select few stars, I find the players mostly to be anonymous and
interchangeable. This year's star is on next year's scrap heap, with
no time of patience in between for forgiveness or rehabilitation.
glenn
|
| 8.2406 | More ... | SHALOT::HUNT | Wyld Stallyns Rules | Fri Sep 28 1990 14:39 | 49 |
| Glenn,
I believe you're the exception to the rule. So are many other noters
in this conference.
My point with baseball is that fans go the games, day in and day out,
with little thought given to the individual stars on the field. The
next day in the office, the question is: "Hey, did you go to the Mets
game last night ???" The question is *not*: "Hey, did you go see
Strawberry last night ???" The question might be: "Did you see that
dinger he hit ???" But they didn't go to the game expecting or
demanding to see a Strawberry dinger. They went expecting to see a
baseball game unfold.
Contrast that with post-game NBA chit-chat like: "Did you see the shot
that Jordan hit last night ???" "Oh, yeah, and 'Nique was really
throwing them down last night, too." They went because they expected
Air Jordan's customary highlights, not specifically to see a basketball
game unfold.
The Chicago Bulls sell out other teams' arenas when they are on the
road. Jordan is the reason.
The same 35,000 fans file into Dodger Stadium every single night.
Every once in a long while, a single player will boost attendance.
Maybe 50,000 will show up to see Rose chasing a hitting streak or Ryan
going for 5,000 Ks or whatever. But the next night, the same 35,000
are back to see the next game.
Another data point to support this theory is the respective All-Star
games of these two sports. Yes, there is quite a bit of star power in
the baseball All-Star Game but fans usually go away remembering that
the National League won or that the American League lost. There's a
definite team orientation to the baseball All-Star Game.
No such animal with hoops. The NBA All-Star weekend is 100%
player-oriented. Nobody cares who wins the game. All the fans want to
see is an orgy of highlights. Dunks, rainbows, in-yo-faces,
behind-the-back passes, alley-oops, and so on. A great show with
little competitive incentive.
I'm not saying one way is better than another. Just trying to think
through why the NBA has good player relations and MLB and the NFL have
very poor relations. I think a big reason is the importance the
owners place on the "player" vs the "game". Owners who value the
players co-operate with them. Owners who value the game try to stick
it to the players.
Bob Hunt
|
| 8.2407 | Friday afternoon confessions... | AKOV06::DCARR | Office Politics as usual... :-( | Fri Sep 28 1990 16:27 | 26 |
| I think its a helluva lot more simple than that, Glenn...
Basketball owners only have to pay 12 people.
Baseball owners have to pay 24 people.
Football owners have to pay millions of people :-)
Its a lot easier to be 'conciliatory', and share the revenue, when you
have so much more coming in per player...
Other than that, I tend to agree with you that basketball has more
easily recognizable stars - and more fantastic individual plays...
Which is strange, considering that baseball, in structure at least, is
really the most individual sport there is: pitcher v. hitter, at the
core.
I've stopped watching football years ago - this parity, number of
injuries, ratio of action to stoppage of play, lack of predictability,
and just higher level of chance because of the bouncing ball makes me
think its all pretty random, and therefore hard to get worked up about.
I don't watch hockey, either, because I like scoring... I now put
football and hockey in the same class as auto racing - I like to see
the vicious hits (i.e. accidents) and fights, but I can get those on
the highlights...
ML
|
| 8.2408 | May be why I'm somewhat bored by the NBA... | DELNI::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Sep 28 1990 16:46 | 19 |
|
I get what Bob is saying, but I still think that basketball and
baseball are light-years removed from football in regard to the
game/players as product, even with the average fan. I don't
dispute that what Bob says might be the way many baseball owners think,
I just don't think it extends that far with the fans. Reaction to the
lock-out and the potential of replacement games seem to support that.
As ML is hinting at, since baseball is much more an individual than
team sport compared to basketball, doesn't your (Bob's) opinion imply a
certain shallowness to the marketing of NBA basketball and the
attitudes of its fans? Is a single player *that* important? Does a
single player's performance not only transcend the team's but winning
and losing itself? I'm not disputing this, but rather wondering if the
NBA is more appreciated as an athletic event than as a game or a team
sport of strategy...
glenn
|
| 8.2409 | Lockout was soon forgotten | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Fri Sep 28 1990 18:00 | 5 |
| 8.2410 | | DELNI::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Sep 28 1990 18:49 | 10 |
|
> You mean the record breaking attendances and quite a few teams
> announcing they are going to break the 2 million mark.
No, I meant the reponse when the owners suggested that replacement
players might take the field. When the real guys came back, all was
forgotten, which was my point.
glenn
|
| 8.2411 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Tue Oct 02 1990 11:59 | 1 |
| The Celtics will not be offering a contract to Dennis Johnson.
|
| 8.2412 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Lord she had a way to fool me | Tue Oct 02 1990 13:04 | 7 |
|
Another mistake. Bet the Lakers or Pistons pick him up soon....
A dependable backup and teacher for the young guys but hey this Boston
let's put another useless white body on the bench....
mike
|
| 8.2413 | Good move | RSST6::RIGGEN | Burley from biking | Tue Oct 02 1990 14:09 | 6 |
| The Celtics will not be offering a contract to Dennis Johnson.
The first sign of brain activity in the Celtics camp since they picked him up.
The Celtics should have signed Fat Lever when thay had the chance.
|
| 8.2414 | Thanks for the memories, DJ, and so long... | AKOV06::DCARR | Office Politics as usual... :-( | Tue Oct 02 1990 14:15 | 19 |
| re: .2412 (gawd!)
> Another mistake. Bet the Lakers or Pistons pick him up soon....
I sure hope so... That way the C's can use all 1.2M of his contract for
signing D, instead of the 0.6M they get if he retires... Mike, did you
watch any C's games last year? DJ has certainly proven that he has
lost at least two steps. I'd love to see him as a coach, but you
can't play a coach 1.2M, and still develop young talent. I think and
hope that somebody will pick him up, but I can't criticize the choice.
In fact, it sounds to me like Mr. Gavitt is FIRMLY in charge here...
I question if ol' Red would've made that decision. As far as the white
body comment goes... let's not get into THAT rathole again - say what
you want about the C's, but there progressive, non-racial history is
quite clear - despite having the largest collection of useless white
bodies this side of Congress... :-)
ML
|
| 8.2415 | rebuttal | CNTROL::CHILDS | Lord she had a way to fool me | Tue Oct 02 1990 15:56 | 14 |
|
ML of course I watched my share of games last year and while I definately
agree that he has lost a few steps he still was able to use his head
effectively. He ran the offense ok not making very many bad decisions
and defensively he had a few plays although he did get beat equally as
often too. I really don't think that they would have had to pay him 1.2
mil, can't say but I sure do feel he would have been a much more valuable
contributor than Michael Smith or Joe B. Klank....
Plus the knowledge he could pass on to Shaw and Dee Brown and the insurance
policy he would have provided if these two can't cut the mustard leads me
to my conclusions that it is a mistake to let him go....
mike
|
| 8.2416 | | UPWARD::HEISER | ultimate, underlyin', no denyin' motivation | Tue Oct 02 1990 16:05 | 6 |
| Re: -1
This Celtics' fan agrees with you 100%! If Bagley is kept they should
all be executed!
Mike
|
| 8.2417 | Cost/Benefit Analysis says DJ must go! | AKOV06::DCARR | HOPEFULLY, you can call me Carr-nac | Wed Oct 03 1990 16:35 | 11 |
| Hey, I wish they could keep DJ too... But money rules, guys! Bags'
550K is gone - out the window - I know, like he should be... If they
keep DJ, they have absolutely NO room to manuever under the cap... If
they dump him, they have enough to sign a decent YOUNG guard!
It's a tough decision, but I beleive that a tradition of excellence is
more important than a tradition of running an Old Folks Home !!
Get the broom, folks, Mr. Gavitt is going to do some housecleaning!
ML
|
| 8.2418 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Wed Oct 03 1990 16:39 | 1 |
| I think that dumping DJ also sends a positive message to Brian Shaw.
|
| 8.2419 | Felton Spencer signs | HBAHBA::HAAS | same as talking to you | Wed Oct 03 1990 17:18 | 9 |
| Heard that Minnesota has signed first round draft pick, Felton Spencer.
Something like 5 years for $8M.
Do far, Dennis Scott, the #4 overall pick has signed for about $2.4M/yr
and now #6 has signed for about $1.6M/yr. That puts Kendall Gill, the #5
pick somewhere in between and in the range that the rumors have him
negotiating with the Hornets for.
TTom
|
| 8.2420 | At least they're knocking the average down | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his lips...Know new taxes! | Thu Oct 04 1990 08:45 | 2 |
| With DJ gone, Chief is now the oldest player in the league!
Denny
|
| 8.2421 | | 12354::J_HALPIN | The Delaware: river, bay or ocean??? | Thu Oct 04 1990 09:42 | 7 |
|
Denny,
The Chief already was the oldest player in the league. He's 37, DJ is
36. You are right though, the average has been knocked down quite a bit.
JimH
|
| 8.2422 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his lips...Know new taxes! | Thu Oct 04 1990 09:49 | 1 |
| oops
|
| 8.2423 | How old is John Lucas? | CGVAX2::REEVE | | Thu Oct 04 1990 16:43 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.2424 | Youth movement continues | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Tue Oct 09 1990 13:11 | 1 |
| Celts released Paxson and signed Dee Brown.
|
| 8.2425 | In pre-season form
| CBOPC3::ROSS | You've fallen and can't get up! | Wed Oct 17 1990 11:41 | 26 |
| Here's the commentary from a basketball preview magazine of James Worthy:
With his back to the basket, Worthy is as quick as any player in
the game: spinning to the basket left or right, finishing with a
dunk or a soft-as-cashmere jumper. Unfortunately, during the Lakers
second-round loss to the Suns, those shots didn't fall and many fans
began chalking it up to the Geritol Syndrome: tired blood. Although
Worthy has ample miles on his odometer, for the quintessential big-game
player to show vulnerability during crunch-time was eye-opening, if
not revealing.
On the other side of the ball, he's a below-average position defender
and smaller, quicker forwards can beat him off the dribble. He's
more effective against bigger forwards (like Tom Chambers) where he
can user his superior quickness to an advantage.
That second paragraph is exactly what I've always said about Worthy on
defense.
It's funny to see the "old" quotes starting to be applied to the Lakers.
1990-91 will be for the Lakers what 1988-89 was for the Celtics. I expect
one or more of Magic, Worthy, Green, or Scott to go down with an injury;
a fan revolt against Dunleavy when the Showtime ends; and the worst finish
in the Magic era.
|
| 8.2426 | parade in june | CNTROL::CHILDS | one nine hundred YT Guilt | Wed Oct 17 1990 14:13 | 8 |
|
Celts destroy the W.C. Pistons last night in Hartford 116-98. I only watched
a few minutes but man we're they awesome. Fast breaks, steal on defense, owner-
ship of the glass they just flat out beat the champs up. Brian Shaw received
a hearty welcome and the members of the team vowed to win another banner for
Johnny..........
mike
|
| 8.2427 | How are these two rookies doing? | SHALOT::MEDVID | my apple tree, my brightness | Wed Oct 17 1990 14:51 | 10 |
| How is Felton Spencer doing for the Wolves?
How is Jamerson doing after signing last week with the Rockets? I read
in the paper that he was the third leading scorer in division 1 last
year with a 37 ppg average. In one game he scored 62 points for Ohio
University. Think he'll be a good pro shooter?
Thanks
--dan'l
|
| 8.2428 | I'm shakin Mike.... oooh...... | REFINE::ASHE | Homey don't play that... | Wed Oct 17 1990 15:18 | 0 |
| 8.2429 | | PNO::HEISER | | Wed Oct 17 1990 15:24 | 5 |
| Felton Spencer was supposedly the best available center last year, but
he still needs time. In his situation, (i.e., expansion team) he may
advance more quickly.
Mike
|
| 8.2430 | you should be Walt.... | CNTROL::CHILDS | one nine hundred YT Guilt | Wed Oct 17 1990 16:38 | 2 |
|
Homey likes the C's....
|
| 8.2431 | | CSC32::GL_JOHNSON | EverythingIsPossibleNothingIsReal | Wed Oct 17 1990 17:05 | 5 |
| Dig the p-name Mike.
Too funny.
glen j.
|
| 8.2432 | Celtics are Antoine's favorite team... | REFINE::ASHE | Homey don't play that... | Wed Oct 17 1990 17:14 | 1 |
| I don't think so...
|
| 8.2433 | WOW | UPWARD::HEISER | | Thu Oct 18 1990 12:43 | 4 |
| Atlanta scored 196 points on Denver's defense last night. Denver
scored 166 themselves.
Mike
|
| 8.2434 | Mike, are you an anal-rententive piece of ...??? :-) | LUNER::BROOKS | Straight - no chaser ... | Thu Oct 18 1990 13:15 | 10 |
| re .2432
Antione likes the Celtwits, "... 'cause they been all they could have
been, and it wasn't s**t !!!!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!
Doc
p.s. The Celts gonna smell like Antione's 'nerve gas' in '90 !!!
|
| 8.2435 | Westhead the clown in what can only be called a circus. | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstation Support | Thu Oct 18 1990 13:30 | 12 |
| re: the travesty known as Paul Westhead and the Denver Nuggets
(from todays Atlanta Constitution)
"The Nuggets, winless in the preseason, never threatened [after the
third quarter].
'A game like this is no good for anybody,' said a disapproving
Sidney Moncrief. 'Not for anything.'"
- ACC Chris
|
| 8.2436 | got to admit it fit in great | CNTROL::CHILDS | one nine hundred YT Guilt | Thu Oct 18 1990 13:42 | 10 |
|
But Doc, I was reading the paper today and Shaw and Lewis quarantee that
the Celts will continue to run. We're going to suprise eveybody so bad
with our new game plan where we use Larry as decoy and third option that
we will take the league by storm.......
and you owe my Walt some credits for the Antione' line... ;^)
mike
|
| 8.2437 | Uh-huh... can't touch this..... | REFINE::ASHE | Homey don't play that... | Thu Oct 18 1990 15:01 | 1 |
| Hey Mike, watch that "My Walt" bit when talking about Antoine, ok?
|
| 8.2438 | sorry Walt recent qraduate of D.S.o T. | CNTROL::CHILDS | one nine hundred YT Guilt | Thu Oct 18 1990 15:29 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.2439 | Hey coach I think I'm Dying | RSST6::RIGGEN | Burley from biking | Thu Oct 18 1990 19:12 | 7 |
| Well the Celtics will discover how tired legs Bird and Parrish shoot layups
against the Cardiac kids (Denver Nuggets) friday night.
I predict that this will be the lowest scoring game for the Nuggets this
Preseason.
Jeff
|
| 8.2440 | PAIN before GAIN!!! | CSC32::LATOUR | DO WHAT YOU SAY | Thu Oct 18 1990 20:40 | 15 |
|
I like that Jeff " Cardiac Kids ". I think the Nuggets will make some
more good trades (hopefully for a good Center which is hard to find
right now). Oh yes and it was time to say good-bye to Doug Moe who had
some very good veteran players to work with when he came to the nuggets
verses a bunch of young players with little to none Pro playing
experience. There's no excuse for Westhead and the way the Nuggets are
playing right now. Westhead did not inherit the L.A LAKERS or the DETROIT
PISTONS he got the DENVER NUGGETS who just cleaned house and it was
sorely needed. I think given time and the Draft choices Westhead will
get the job Done, But in every franchises transition there's always
PAIN before GAIN.
" THE DREWSKI "
|
| 8.2441 | Defense? What defense? | 26237::MORGAN | | Mon Oct 22 1990 08:42 | 12 |
| Re: last 2
Come again? This brand of basketball Westhead's stuffing down the
throats of the Nuggets is ridiculous. The Celtics won by about 20,
scoring close to 180 points, and it was the most boring game I've seen
to date. Nothing but a layup contest. I USED to like watching the
Nuggets, but spare me this bull.
Tired legs Bird had 18 points and 21 'bounds. Tired legs Parish beat
the Nuggets up and down the floor all night.
Steve
|
| 8.2442 | Rolaids Upset of the Week ;-) | PNO::HEISER | Ibanez: the axe built to blast! | Tue Oct 23 1990 14:43 | 3 |
| The Nuggets beat the Knicks last night 154-147.
Mike
|
| 8.2443 | Tough win | RSST6::RIGGEN | Burley from biking | Tue Oct 23 1990 14:51 | 6 |
| Patrick Ewing had 4 fouls in as many minutes last night forcing the Knocks(tm)
into a running game. Westhaid was talkin shi* about how the system works.
I'd be suprised to see the Nuggets win 28 games all year.
|
| 8.2444 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Wed Oct 24 1990 12:01 | 3 |
|
How did Chris Jackson do in the Den-NYK game?
|
| 8.2445 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Stanford 36, Notre Dame 31!!! | Wed Oct 24 1990 12:44 | 8 |
| Jackson's stats against the Knicks:
3 out of 13 from the field
4 out of 4 from the line
10 points.
Joe
|
| 8.2446 | | PNO::HEISER | Ibanez: the axe built to blast! | Thu Oct 25 1990 15:33 | 85 |
| From: clarinews@clarinet.com (BOB KEIM, UPI Sports Writer)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Pistons are the pick again
UPI SportsFeature
Basketball
NBA Central Division Sizeup
------
RICHFIELD, Ohio (UPI) -- The first step in Detroit's defense of its
back-to-back titles begins at home in the NBA Central Division.
And defense is where any discussion of Detroit must begin, for the
Pistons' stifling defensive play is the reason why their last two
seasons have ended in triumph. Shooters can go cold, coaches can make
the wrong moves and key players can be injured but a club that plays
outstanding defense can rely upon that part of its game night after
night.
As the Pistons go for their fourth straight division crown, they will
face stiff challenges from Chicago and Cleveland, but Detroit is again
the pick to finish first in the NBA Central.
Choosing the Pistons may be the easy way out, but it also makes a lot
of sense, even though Chicago has added Cliff Levingston and Dennis
Hopson and the Cavaliers are healthy and have Danny Ferry.
Detroit is the only team that can keep Michael Jordan down to near-
human performance levels, and its backcourt package of Isiah Thomas, Joe
Dumars and Vinnie Johnson is far superior to anything the Bulls or Cavs
can throw out. The Pistons also have a better frontcourt than Chicago;
Chuck Daly did not bypass a television career to supervise the decline
of his team.
``The Detroit players have played together for so long,'' said
Chicago coach Phil Jackson. ``They are still the team to beat. Their
depth and experience is the difference.''
At some point, experience starts to become age, which turns into
trouble, but the Pistons don't look like they've come to that crossroads
yet.
Thomas, who plays with a ferocity that belies his choir-boy smile,
led the team with 18.4 points per game last year. Dumars, highly
regarded for his defense and offense, averaged 17.8 points per game.
Johnson, the ``Microwave'' who can get hot fast, is finally signed and
ready to improve on an inconsistent 1989-90 season.
Up front, the scowling Bill Laimbeer is hated by opponents and their
fans but he's a good rebounder (9.6 per game last season) and his
outside shooting opens up the middle for the Pistons offense. Ageless
James Edwards (actually, he's 34), had an excellent season last year.
With defensive and rebounding master Dennis Rodman at the other forward
and John Salley and Mark Aguirre coming off the bench, the frontcourt
rotation is one of the league's best.
If the enigmatic William Bedford decides to put in a full year's work
as Laimbeer's backup, the Pistons will be hard to beat.
In Chicago, Jordan and the Bulls already know how hard it is to beat
Detroit. They finished second to the Pistons during the regular season
then lost a seven-game Eastern Conference final. The Bulls hope the
addition of Hopson will take some of the scoring load off Jordan, and
Levingston will try to add the rebounding muscle that has been missing
since the Charles Oakley trade.
In Cleveland, the Cavs spent the off-season dealing with the John
``Hot Rod'' Williams matter and eventually matched Miami's seven-year,
$26.5 million offer sheet. They tried to trade Williams, but the fifth-
year player from Tulane vetoed a move to Seattle so the Cavs were unable
to correct the deficiencies that hurt them in last year's playoffs.
The Cavs are solid up front, with Ferry joining center Brad
Daugherty, Williams, Larry Nance, Winston Bennett and Chucky Brown, but
have a gaping holes after their two starting guards. Mark Price is one
of the league's best point guards but without a good replacement, the
Cavs are vulnerable to the press whenever he is on the bench.
Indiana could be the division's surprise team if the Pacers continue
improving under Dick Versace. Indiana started strong last year then
barely made the playoffs but this is a young, talented club that should
get better as they gain experience.
The Milwaukee Bucks don't impress you with their talent but they keep
making the playoffs each year. The additions of big men Frank Brickowski
and Danny Schayes will help but Milwaukee isn't a threat to win the
division. Guards Jay Humphries, Ricky Pierce and Alvin Robertson give
the Bucks the capability of beating any team on a one-game basis.
New coach Bob Weiss takes over an under-achieving Atlanta team that
is starting to show the effects of age. There's a lot of flash to the
Hawks, especially with Dominique Wilkins and some good talent at point
guard, but not a lot of substance.
Joining the Central Division this year are the Charlotte Hornets, who
will be glad to be rid of the grueling travel they faced as part of the
Midwest Division last year. Coach Gene Littles will spend the year
wondering why the organization has gone through three drafts without
obtaining a true center.
After watching the Hornets struggle again this year, Charlotte
residents may think twice about pursuing an NFL expansion franchise.
adv. for weekend release Oct. 27-28
|
| 8.2447 | | PNO::HEISER | Ibanez: the axe built to blast! | Thu Oct 25 1990 15:36 | 87 |
| From: clarinews@clarinet.com (DEAN SCHABNER, UPI Sports Writer)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Few changes in the Atlantic
UPI SportsFeature
Basketball
NBA Atlantic Division Sizeup
------
For the Philadelphia 76ers and the New York Knicks, the more things
stay the same, the more they need to change.
Despite disappointing finishes last season, neither team has made
significant adjustments to its lineup, yet both teams expect
improvement. The Sixers believe they have plugged their defensive holes
by the addition of Manute Bol, and the Knicks are looking for Kiki
Vandeweghe and Mark Jackson to become the All-Stars they once were.
Philadelphia Coach Jim Lynam says he's got the strongest starting
five in the NBA, but when forward Charles Barkley injured his shoulder
last season, the Sixers struggled to get past Cleveland in the playoffs'
first round and then were eliminated by Chicago in five games.
When Barkley is healthy, he seems able to do whatever he wants, and
guards Hersey Hawkins and Johnny Dawkins form a solid backcourt duo. But
center Mike Gminski is a soft defender and intimidator Rick Mahorn has
been troubled by back problems.
Nevertheless, Dawkins, who was a restricted free agent, was so sure
the Sixers would improve that he never tried to attract another offer.
``I didn't really talk to anyone or go out looking for another team,''
he said. ``I was going to be here regardless of the money.''
The Sixers, last year's division champions with a 53-29 record, have
also added backup guard Rickey Green and draft pick Brian Oliver.
The Knicks had people talking championship midway through the season
then stumbled to a 45-37 record and a third-place finish. A five-game
victory over Boston in the first round of the playoffs gave them some
redemption before they were ousted 4-1 by Detroit.
Like the Sixers, the Knicks haven't changed their starting five. The
only notable addition is the arrival of first-round draft choice Jerrod
Mustaf, a 6-10 forward from Maryland.
In Patrick Ewing and Charles Oakley, the Knicks may have the best
center-power forward tandem in the league. If Vandeweghe is healthy and
can get his jump shot to fall the way it did in Denver, the bench of
Kenny Walker, Mustaf and Eddie Lee Wilkins might be enough.
The Knicks are betting so heavily on Vandeweghe that they let
Charlotte take away forward Johnny Newman, a part-time starter last
season. Vandeweghe, though reportedly healthy, has showed next to
nothing in preseason.
At point guard, the Knicks have Maurice Cheeks and Mark Jackson, who
pledge to coexist -- which is more than Jackson and Rod Strickland did
last season.
``Me and Mo never had a problem and never will,'' promised Jackson,
the NBA's rookie of the year in 1987-88.
If he regains his old form, New York will be in the enviable position
of having one of the best young guards in the league plus a veteran All-
Star who is willing to take a back seat for the good of the team.
And if Jackson earns the starting job again, they might even both be
happy.
Boston (52-30, second place)
After the Celtics squandered a 2-0 lead to New York and lost in the
first round of the post-season, coach Jimmy Rodgers was fired and
replaced by assistant Chris Ford, and veteran guard Dennis Johnson was
released. Despite the aging of big men Larry Bird, 33, Kevin McHale, 32,
and Robert Parish, 37, Boston has focused its rebuilding effort on the
backcourt. They won their legal battle to bring point guard Brian Shaw
back from Italy and drafted Dee Brown of Jacksonville in the first
round. Brown, Shaw and Reggie Lewis, the swingman who emerged as an
offensive threat last season, give the Celtics a young nucleus. But it
remains to be seen who these young speedsters will wear out first: their
backcourt opponents or their frontcourt teammates.
Miami (18-64, fourth last season)
With Sherman Douglas and Rony Seikaly, the Heat are strong at the one
and five spots, but haven't had much fire in between. Trying to build
through the draft rather than by grabbing the talented rejects of other
teams, the Heat have had to be patient. It could start to pay off this
season if rookie guards Willie Burton and Bimbo Coles and rookie forward
Alec Kessler can produce the way they did in college.
Washington (31-51, third last season)
With John Williams hiding out and Jeff Malone traded to Utah in a
three-way deal that bought Pervis Ellison from the Kings, the Bullets
are likely to continue the slide that began last season. Bernard King
will get his 20 points a game, but what Ellison will do is anybody's
guess. Second-round draft picks Greg Foster, a 6-11 center from Texas-El
Paso, and A.J. English, a 6-3 shooting guard from Virginia Union, are
both question marks.
New Jersey (17-65, sixth last season)
Reggie Theus, acquired from Orlando for two second-round picks, will
give the Nets some badly needed offense, but might open another hole on
defense. Without No. 1 pick overall Derrick Coleman, the Nets are
looking at another season of Coach Bill Fitch yelling and their few fans
booing.
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| 8.2448 | | GOLF::KINGR | PREPARE to die earth scum!!!!!!!!!!! | Thu Oct 25 1990 16:11 | 3 |
| Has Coleman signed with the Nets yeat?
Rick
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| 8.2449 | I heard that Coleman will sign today! Hoo-ray!!! | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Voted for whatsisname... | Thu Oct 25 1990 16:13 | 1 |
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| 8.2450 | 5 yrs, 15 mil | SHALOT::MEDVID | Groove is in the Heart | Thu Oct 25 1990 17:28 | 8 |
| Coleman did sign today. 5 years, $15 million, and that could go even
higher with the built in insentives...like he needs them with that
paycheck. Sheeeesh.
He's the highest paid rookie in the history of the NBA.
--dan'l
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| 8.2451 | | UPWARD::HEISER | Ibanez: the axe built to blast! | Mon Oct 29 1990 12:32 | 485 |
| From: clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: NBA Capsules
ATLANTIC DIVISION
Philadelphia 76ers
1989-90 record -- 53-29 (lost in second round of playoffs).
Head coach -- Jim Lynam. Fourth season with Philadelphia, 167-179
career record with San Diego/Los Angeles Clippers and Philadelphia.
Strengths -- Inside scoring, rebounding and leadership of Charles
Barkley; shooting of Hersey Hawkins, who began to to the basket with
authority.
Weaknesses -- Lack of intimidating defense in the middle, although
76ers acquired shot blocker Manute Bol; occasional disappearance of
center Mike Gminski; age and physical condition of forward Rick Mahorn;
lack of reliable bench.
New faces -- Bol, guard Brian Oliver, the team's top draft pick, and
veteran guard Rickey Green, signed to back up starter Johnny Dawkins.
Players to watch -- Barkley is always the key and Bol.
Outlook -- The 76ers should contend again for the Atlantic Division
title and could progress farther in the playoffs if defense iumproves as
expected.
Boston Celtics
1989-90 record -- 52-30 (lost in first round of playoffs).
Head coach -- Chris Ford. First year as head coach.
Strengths -- Larry Bird is still one of the league's best players;
Robert Parish is one of the best centers and Kevin McHale is among the
premier post-up players.
Weaknesses -- By midseason, the front line of Parish, Bird and McHale
will be 37, 34 and 33 years old, their durability is uncertain and
whether they can keep up with the fast, young guards is unknown;
backcourt will lack the experience of veteran Dennis Johnson.
New faces -- Brian Shaw, returning from a season in Italy, is a good
ballhandler and strong defensively; first-round draft pick Dee Brown is
a point guard who loves the running game, playing defense and making
steals.
Players to watch -- Lewis is becoming Boston's designated shooter;
Bird's role will be diminished in the fast-break game demanded by Ford.
Outlook -- Celtics lost in the first round last two years and might
make it to the second round this time; the running style will make them
more fun to watch, if not more successful.
New York Knicks
1989-90 Record -- 45-37 (lost in second round of playoffs).
Head coach -- Stu Jackson. Second year as head coach.
Strengths -- Patrick Ewing, one of the best players in the NBA; power
forward Charles Oakley is one of the league's premier rebounders;
Maurice Cheeks is a steady, intelligent presence running the floor.
Weaknesses -- Outside shooting is streaky, allowing other teams to
collapse on Ewing; no proven big man to give Ewing or Oakley a break.
New faces -- Jerrod Mustaf a first-round draft pick as a sophomore
from Maryland, but he is expected at least a year away from major
contributions.
Players to watch -- Ewing, entering his sixth season and coming off
his best year; Vandeweghe, who came into training camp healthy for the
first time in four years.
Outlook -- Ewing proved last season he can carry the team, but the
front office has done nothing to get him any help; unless Vandeweghe
finds his shooting touch and Mark Jackson regains form that made him
rookie of the year in 1987-88, Knicks are unlikely to to improve upon
last season.
Washington Bullets
1989-90 record -- 31-51 (failed to make playoffs).
Coach -- Wes Unseld. Third year with Bullets, 101-118 career record.
Strengths -- Bernard King is a proven scorer, who can run off points
at any time; Pervis Ellison gives Bullets hope they have the mobile and
nimble center lacking for many years.
Weaknesses -- Backcourt is unproven; forward John Williams'
rehabilitation dispute with the team also raises doubts about Bullets'
depth up front.
New faces -- Ellison from Sacramento Kings; rookie guards Tommy
Hammonds from Georgia Tech and A.J. English from Virginia Union; and
rookie center Greg Foster from Texas-El Paso.
Players to watch -- English may step forward and fill the gap left by
the departure of Jeff Malone to Utah; Hammonds could also exploit the
opporunity in the backcourt.
Outlook -- The Bullets were 31-51 last season and did not have a
first-round draft choice; Eackles, Williams and Ellison must play to
their potential, otherwise it looks like last place.
Miami Heat
1989-90 record -- 18-64 (failed to make playoffs).
Head coach -- Ron Rothstein. Third year with Heat, 33-131 career
record.
Strengths -- The Syracuse connection of Rony Seikaly, last year's most
improved player, and Sherman Douglas.
Weaknesses -- Power forward, where No. 1 draft choice Alec Kessler is
limping with a stress fracture, and Terry Davis, Jeff Sanders and Grant
Long have not proved they can do the job; shooting guard where Kevin
Edwards was only .412 from the floor last year.
New faces -- Willie Burton, the ninth player chosen in the draft,
played forward in college but may be moved to shooting guard; Kessler,
who averaged 21 points and 10.4 rebounds for Georgia last year.
Players to watch -- Glen Rice had a disappointing season, but reported
to camp slimmer and more muscular; Seikaly improved his scoring average
from 10.9 to 16.6 and his rebounding from 7.0 to 10.4 last year.
Outlook -- The Heat continues to build with youth and 25 wins is the
most it can realistically expect; Seikaly and Douglas should continue to
improve and Rice is expected to make big strides.
New Jersey Nets
1989-90 record -- 17-65 (sixth in Atlantic Division).
Head coach -- Bill Fitch. Second year with Nets, 779-779 career record
with Cleveland, Boston, Houston and New Jersey.
Strengths -- Sam Bowie, when he is healthy, is a solid performer;
Fitch has a history of taking bad teams and making them better, or at
least work harder.
Weaknesses -- Injuries last season hobbled Roy Hinson, the team's only
true star; Chris Morris and Mookie Blaylock failed to develop into the
players their college careers indicated.
New Faces -- Derrick Coleman, the No. 1 pick in the draft, conducted
extended holdout and had not reported with a week left before season
opener; Reggie Theus is a true scorer and is also a respectable passer.
Players to watch -- Theus can score, but adds nothing on defense;
Bowie may give give Nets stability at center; Blaylock will get a chance
to prove he can run the team.
Outlook -- If Nets can come to terms with Coleman it could lift them
out of the basement, especially if Hinson comes back, if Blaylock comes
around and if Bowie stays healthy; but that is still a lot of ifs.
1989-90 record -- 59-23 (won NBA championship).
Head coach -- Chuck Daly. Eighth season with Detroit, 378-237 career
record.
Strengths -- Pistons have best defense in the NBA led by Dennis
Rodman, the league's Defensive Player of the Year, and guard Joe Dumars;
balanced offensive attack with six players who averaged in double
figures last season.
Weaknesses -- Mark Aguirre, Bill Laimbeer, James Edwards and Vinnie
Johnson are all 30 or over and Isiah Thomas and Rodman are 29; Detroit
lacks a potent low-post scoring threat.
New faces -- No. 1 pick Lance Blanks.
Players to watch -- Blanks may get a lot of playing time if Johnson
falls into one of his shooting slumps; William Bedford might provide
low-post threat.
Outlook -- Pistons will have to hold off division challengers
Cleveland and Chicago; keys will play of Johnson and a return to health
by Rodman, who has been hampered with an ankle injury.
Chicago Bulls
1989-90 Record -- 55-27 (lost in conference finals).
Head coach -- Phil Jackson. Second year as head coach.
Strengths -- Michael Jordan, one of the best players in the NBA;
excellent starting forward combination of Scottie Pippen and Horace
Grant.
Weaknesses -- No scoring from pivot and 33-year-old Bill Cartwright
had offseason knee surgery; limited bench and inconsistent scoring from
the point.
New faces -- Cliff Levingston and Dennis Hopson should strengthen
second team.
Players to watch -- Jordan, entering his seventh season, would trade a
fifth straight scoring title for a championship ring; Pippen, coming off
his first All-Star season, showed signs of brilliance in 1989.
Outlook -- Expectations are the highest they've ever been in Chicago,
with anything but an NBA finals appearance a disappointment; after
taking Pistons to seven games in the Conference finals last season,
Bulls took Jordan's advice and strengthened bench with veteran players.
Milwaukee Bucks
1989-90 Record -- 44-38 (lost in first round of playoffs).
Head coach -- Del Harris. Fourth year with Bucks, 276-298 career
record with Houston and Milwaukee.
Strengths -- Ricky Pierce one of top sixth men in the league, led team
last year averaging 23 points; Greg ``Cadillac'' Anderson added beef
underneath.
Weaknesses -- Larry Krystkowiak, who sat out last season after
reconstructive knee surgery; Jack Sikma getting older.
New faces -- Danny Schayes from Denver and Frank Brickowski from San
Antonio.
Players to watch -- With Sikma playing less, the focus will be on
Schayes and Brad Lohaus to put some power back at center; Alvin
Robertson played well in first season with Bucks.
Outlook -- Despite setting a franchise record for games missed due to
injuries, Bucks managed 11th straight winning season; they have a long
way to go before catching Chicago and Detroit in the division.
Cleveland Cavaliers
1989-90 record -- 42-40 (lost in first round of playoffs).
Head coach -- Lenny Wilkens. Fifth year with Cleveland, 725-647 career
record with Seattle, Portland and Cleveland.
Strengths -- Front court of John ``Hot Rod'' Williams, Brad Daugherty,
Larry Nance and Danny Ferry; point guard Mark Price.
Weaknesses -- No depth at guard or center.
New Faces -- Forward Danny Ferry; center Milos Babic.
Players to Watch -- Ferry, who comes to Cleveland from Italian League;
Williams, a good player who has never made the All Star team but will
earn a league-high $5 million this year; Price is one of league's top
point guards.
Outlook -- If they stay healthy, the Cavaliers should win 50 games,
but without depth at guard, they will be vulnerable in the playoffs and
be hard-pressed to advance past the first round.
Indiana Pacers
1989 record -- 42-40 (lost in first round of playoffs).
Head coach -- Dick Versace. Third year with Indiana, 64-71 career
record.
Strengths -- Chuck Person and Reggie Miller provide scoring punch
outside; LaSalle Thompson and Detlef Schrempf are aggressive under the
boards.
Weaknesses -- Inconsistency in rebounding, defense and guard play;
Vern Fleming needs a repeat of strong 1989 start to keep Pacers going;
teamwork breakdowns and lapses have hurt.
New faces -- Kenny Williams should play behind Fleming and strengthen
the second unit.
Players to watch -- Miller averaged 24.6 points and made All-Star
team; Chuck Person has lost some of his scoring role to Miller but
retains his feisty attitude; Schrempf consistently works hard.
Outlook -- With few changes from last year, the prognosis is about the
same, the Pacers should make the playoffs; key will be improving enough
to avoid an overmatched first-round opponent.
Atlanta Hawks
1989-90 record -- 41-41 (failed to make playoffs).
Head coach -- Bob Weiss. First year with Hawks, 59-105 record with San
Antonio.
Strengths -- Solid front anchored by Dominique Wilkins and Moses
Malone; addition of first round pick Rumeal Robinson at point guard
improves defense and frees Glenn ``Doc'' Rivers for shooting.
Weaknesses -- Introduction of new passing offense could cause slow
start while players learn new system.
New Faces -- Weiss' style should lessen friction between the bench and
floor; Sidney Moncrief is trying a comeback; Tim McCormick provides a 7-
footer for the rotation.
Players to Watch -- Wilkins, who should get more shots than ever in
new system; Malone is nearing all-time free-throw record.
Outlook -- After missing the playoffs for the first time in five
years, Hawks have a new upbeat outlook that shows on the court; whether
team can play together remains to be seen.
Charlotte Hornets
Record -- 19-63 (failed to make playoffs).
Head coach -- Gene Littles, first full as head coach.
Strengths -- Deep at shooting guard with Rex Chapman and Dell Curry.
Weaknesses -- Lack true center with 6-foot-9 J.R. Reid trying to hold
his own; rest of starting team offers little help on boards.
New faces -- No. 1 pick Kendall Gill should see plenty of playing
time; Johnny Newman from the Knicks.
Players to watch -- Chapman should retain his position as a leading
scorer; power forward Armon Gilliam, acquired in midseason from Phoenix,
will have advantage of training camp under his belt.
Outlook -- Hornets make permanent move to Central Division and will
likely spend season at the bottom of the pack.
1989 record -- 56-26 (lost in conference finals).
Head coach -- Larry Brown. Third year with San Antonio, 294-235 career
record with Denver, New Jersey and San Antonio.
Strengths -- Willie Anderson, Rod Strickland, Sean Elliott, Terry
Cummings and David Robinson one of best starting fives in Western
Conference; Robinson has become one of the NBA's elite centers after
just one season.
Weaknesses -- With at six new players, it make take time for chemistry
to develop and that will have to be settled before the playoffs.
New Faces -- David Greenwood and Mike Mitchell; Paul Pressey was
acquired from Milwaukee; rookies Sean Higgins, Tony Massenburg and
Dwayne Schintzius.
Players to Watch -- The troubled and overweight Schintzius must show
maturity to last through the season; he will be needed to relieve
Robinson and bolster rebounding.
Outlook -- If reserves develop and can provide scoring off the bench,
the Spurs could challenge for conference title.
Utah Jazz
1989 record -- 55-27 (lost in first round of playoffs).
Head coach -- Jerry Sloan. Third season with Utah, 189-206 record with
Chicago and Utah.
Strengths -- Talented and veteran nucleus in Karl Malone, John
Stockton, Thurl Bailey and Mark Eaton; team led leauge in field-goal
percentage (.505) last year and was second in points-allowed (102).
Weaknesses -- Although Bailey is one of the best sixth men in the
game, the bench then drops off to average; despite scoring inside or on
fastbreak, Jazz lacked an outside shooter.
New Faces -- To correct shooting woes, Utah completed three-player
deal for Jeff Malone, who averaged 24 points and shot 49 percent from
the field last year for Washington.
Players to Watch -- Both Malones -- Karl and Jeff -- and the gnat-like
Stockton.
Outlook -- The Jazz of late seem to fall short of expectations, but by
shoring up outside shooting they should once again be considered a
contender for conference title.
Dallas Mavericks
1989-90 record -- 47-35 (lost in first round of playoffs).
Head coach -- Richie Adubato. First full season with Dallas.
Strengths -- The Mavericks added additional experience with Alex
English, Rodney McCray and Fat Lever; the back court rotation of Lever,
Rolando Blackman, Derek Harper and Brad Davis should be one of the most
solid in the NBA.
Weaknesses -- Although the Mavericks brought in veteran help, there is
always the concern that this new mix will not blend properly; another
annual concern is talented forward Roy Tarpley, who has two strikes
against him in the NBA's drug program.
New faces -- McCray and Lever were brought in from Sacramento and
Denver.
Players to watch -- Tarpley will likely be the key to the Mavericks,
just as he has been the last three year; when his drug problems surfaced
two years ago the Mavericks collapsed and missed the playoffs.
Outlook -- Dallas chose to go with proven commodities this year rather
than using the draft choices they had stockpiled; this team could finish
anywhere from first to fifth depending on who the lineup mixes.
Denver Nuggets
1989 record -- 43-39 (lost in first round of playoffs).
Head coach -- Paul Westhead. First season with Denver.
Strengths -- Uptempo game; Westhead brings promise of better things
with new outlook and new offense.
Weaknesses -- Nuggets will have to be able score early and often; they
must fill shoes of Alex English (signed as a free agent by Dallas), Fat
Lever (traded to Dallas) and Danny Schayes (traded to Milwaukee).
New faces -- Rookie point guard Chris Jackson joins Nuggets after
leaving LSU following his sophomore year; Orlando Woolridge from LA
Lakers and Marcus Libery, from Illinois.
Players to watch -- Todd Lichti, last year's top pick, is trying to
come back from off-season injuries suffered in an auto accident;
Woolridge must prove he is more than a reserve player.
Outlook -- Denver will be buried by opponents early in the season
while it adjusts to Westhead's freelance style, if they do not adjust it
could be an embarrassing year.
Houston Rockets
1989 record -- 41-41 (lost in first round of playoffs).
Head coach -- Don Chaney. Third year with Houston, 139-210 career
record with LA Clippers and Houston.
Strengths -- The best center in the game in Akeem Olajuwon; forwards
Otis Thorpe and Larry Smith give Houston a solid trio inside.
Weaknesses -- Projected starting guards Eric Floyd has been bothered
by an ankle injury while Vernon Maxwell was a holdout; Rockets are a
very poor outside shooting team.
New Faces -- Guard Kenny Smith, acquired from Atlanta, has played
extremely well and could earn starting job; rookie Dave Jamerson and
free agent David Wood could make significant contributions.
Players to Watch -- Smith and Maxwell, if he shows up, could solve
Houston's backcourt rotation.
Outlook -- The Rockets did not improve as much as some of their
division rivals and will be hard-pressed to finish higher than fourth.
Minnesota Timberwolves
1989-90 record -- 22-60 (failed to make playoffs).
Head coach -- Bill Musselman. Second season with Minnesota, 49-127
career record with Cleveland and Minnesota.
Strengths -- Guard Tony Campbell showed he can be an effective scorer;
Pooh Richardson appears set as a point guard for years to come;
Minnesota was the NBA's second-best defensive team a year ago.
Weaknesses -- There is little scoring beyond Campbell's 23.2 average.
New faces -- Veteran guard Scott Brooks, acquired in a trade with
Philadelphia and first-round draft picks Gerald Glass and Felton
Spencer.
Players to watch -- Spencer was an overachiever at Louisville so he
fits right in with the group Musselman is putting together; Glass will
have to provide the needed offense.
Outlook -- Minnesota surprised a lot of people by winning 22 games in
its first NBA season, but the Timberwolves are still a long way from
challenging for a division title.
Orlando Magic
1989-90 record -- 18-64 (failed to make playoffs).
Head coach -- Matt Guokas. Second year with Orlando, 137-152 career
record with Philadelphia and Orlando.
Strengths -- Inside scoring power from forward Terry Catledge and
swingman Nick Anderson; Otis Smith provides ample scoring off the bench.
Weaknesses -- Huge hole in the middle; worst defensive team in the
league last year and shot selection often lacks discipline.
New faces -- Top draft pick Dennis Scott provides legitimate 3-point
threat and should open things up underneath.
Players to watch -- Anderson, who played behind Reggie Theus as a
rookie, is ready to blossom offensively with defenses geared to stop
Scott; with Theus traded to New Jersey, Scott will fire at will.
Outlook -- Orlando switches to the tougher Midwest Division and could
be pressed to match the success of inaugural season; again, the Magic
will be dangerous at home and dreadful on the road.
1989-90 record -- 63-19 (lost in second round of playoffs).
Head coach -- Mike Dunleavy. First year as head coach.
Strengths -- Magic Johnson is coming off his third career MVP award
and James Worthy remains an explosive scorer; Vlade Divac runs court and
passes as well as any center; new arrival Sam Perkins is an excellent
defender.
Weaknesses -- Byron Scott and A.C. Green were both inconsistent last
year.
New Faces -- Dunleavy, former Milwaukee assistant takes over for Pat
Riley; Perkins, signed as a free agent from Dallas; swingman Terry
Teagle, acquired from Golden State, tries to replace Michael Cooper.
Players to Watch -- Perkins signed for some $18 million, but many
think he's one of the most over-rated players in the NBA; Scott, who was
bothered by ligament injury, takes heat off Johnson and Worthy when he's
healthy.
Outlook -- Lakers have made many changes since losing to Phoenix in
conference semifinals last year; team should respond to new leadership
with Dunleavy, so expect another championship run.
Portland Trail Blazers
1989-90 -- 59-23 (lost in NBA finals).
Head Coach -- Rick Adelman. Second full season with Blazers, 73-44
career record.
Strengths -- One of the better starting lineups in the league; Terry
Porter showed he can carry team; Clyde Drexler streaky, but still one of
the best; Jerome Kersey is solid and Buck Williams is a fearless floor
leader.
Weaknesses -- Kevin Duckworth only a so-so rebounder and defender;
bench depth remains a question.
New faces -- Danny Ainge, is invaluable for his experience and
versatility; No. 1 pick Alaa Abdelnaby could challenge Cliff Robinson
for playing time.
Players to watch -- Porter and Kersey are on verge of becoming team's
best players; if Williams shows any signs of slipping, Robinson could
see more playing time; Ainge will give starting guards needed breathers
without a drop in level of play.
Outlook -- If starters and key reserves have solid seasons, could win
it all.
Phoenix Suns
1989 record -- 54-28 (lost in conference finals).
Head coach -- Cotton Fitzsimmons, third season in second stint as
Phoenix head coach, career record 697-689 with Phoenix, Atlanta, Kansas
City and San Antonio.
Strengths -- Inside scoring and rebounding of Tom Chambers; playmaking
and leadership of Kevin Johnson; rugged play of Jeff Hornacek.
Weaknesses -- Lack of scoring at center from Mark West and backup
Andrew Lang; depth at point guard.
New Faces -- Rookie guard Negele Knight and rookie forward Cedric
Ceballos; veteran power forward Ed Nealy signed as free agent.
Players to Watch -- Chambers, who averaged 27.2 points last season;
Kevin Johnson, third in NBA in assists (11.4 avg); Hornacek, who ranked
among league shooting leaders; Dan Majerle in backup role at both
forward and guard.
Outlook -- Suns should again contend for conference title with team
rebuilt over past two seasons to Fitzsimmons' specifications; key is
development of bench, especially Knight as backup at point guard.
Seattle SuperSonics
1989-90 record -- 41-41 (failed to make playoffs).
Head coach -- K.C. Jones. First year as Sonics head coach, 463-193
career record with Washington and Boston.
Strengths -- Jones is a players' coach who knows how to win; scoring
ability of guard Dale Ellis and small forward Xavier McDaniel; deep at
guard with Gary Payton, Sedale Threatt, Dana Barros and Nate McMillan.
Weaknesses -- Still searching for dominant center, Michael Cage is out
of position in pivot; chemistry has been problem, but Jones hopes to fix
that.
New faces -- Payton is expected to provide playmaking Sonics have been
missing; center Dave Corzine can provide offense and experience if a
damaged knee allows him to play.
Players to watch -- Shawn Kemp will have minutes increased to about 20
per game; Ellis may shoot less under Jones; McDaniel will be asked to
play closer to the basket, which may be detrimental to his sore knees.
Outlook -- Additions of Jones and Payton will make leaderless Sonics
better, but could easily finish out of the playoffs in competitive
Western Conference.
Golden State Warriors
1989 record -- 37-45 (failed to make playoffs).
Head coach -- Don Nelson. Third season with Golden State, 620-425
career record with Milwaukee and Golden State.
Strengths -- Warriors are talented at guard and small forward; Chris
Mullin has been on All-Star team the last two seasons, Tim Hardaway was
solid point guard in his rookie season and Mitch Richmond improved all
his offensive numbers after an NBA Rookie of Year campaign in 1988.
Weaknesses -- Warriors ranked 25th in rebounding and got little
offensive production at power forward and center.
New Faces -- Tyrone Hill should help strengthen the team's inside
game, while Kevin Pritchard has been impressive as a hard-nosed
backcourt reserve.
Players to Watch -- A lot is riding on a return to health of centers
Alton Lister, who missed all last season with an achilles injury, and
Jim Peterson, hampered last year by a slow-healing knee injury.
Outlook -- Warriors likely are looking to improve one position in the
tough Pacific Division and try to make playoffs.
LA Clippers
1989-90 record -- 30-52 (failed to make playoffs).
Head coach -- Mike Schuler. First year as head coach, 127-83 career
record with Portland.
Strengths -- Owners of perhaps NBA's best young talent pool in Charles
Smith, Danny Manning, Ken Norman, Gary Grant and No. 1 pick Bo Kimble.
Weaknesses -- Inexperience and Benoit Benjamin, whose attitude makes
him a force one day and a liability the next, but the 7-footer has shown
signs he will have his best year.
New Faces -- Schuler, Coach of the Year with Portland in 1987; Kimble,
the former high-scoring Loyola Marymount star; No. 2 pick Loy Vaught of
Michigan, expected to serve as backup power forward and center.
Players to Watch -- Ron Harper, who tore an anterior cruciate ligament
in his right knee last season, expected back by January; what will
Clippers do at shooting guard with him and Kimble?
Outlook -- This is not a typo: Clippers will make the playoffs for the
first time since franchise was known as the Buffalo Braves in 1975-76.
Sacramento Kings
1989 record -- 23-59 (failed to make playoffs).
Head coach -- Dick Motta. First full season with Sacramento, 824-788
career record with Chicago, Washington, Dallas and Sacramento.
Strengths -- The Kings overhauled so much in offseason they should be
considered the NBA's latest expansion team; kept last season's top
scorers Wayman Tisdale and Antoine Carr and dealt away nearly everyone
else.
Weaknesses -- With all the wheeling and dealing the Kings are an
unknown and unproven commodity; they acquired four first-round draft
picks: Lionel Simmons, Travis Mays, Duane Causwell and Anthony Bonner.
New Faces -- Motta will attempt to bring discipline and structure as
team searches for an identity; new to the team along with rookies are
Bobby Hansen and Eric Leckner from Utah, Byron Irvin from Portland, Bill
Wennington from Dallas, and Rory Sparrow from Miami.
Players to Watch -- Motta will tinker with lineup in early going; the
Kings also have Ralph Sampson, who may be third-string center behind
Leckner and Wennington.
Outlook -- Motta seems genuinely excited with his blend of rookies and
veterans; this is a team with a brighter future than at the end of last
season, but its time has yet to come.
(end capsules)
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| 8.2452 | | UPWARD::HEISER | Ibanez: the axe built to blast! | Mon Oct 29 1990 12:39 | 92 |
| From: clarinews@clarinet.com
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Basketball
UPI SportsFeature
Basketball:
Spurs Head NBA Midwest
After Busy Offseason
By RICHARD LUNA
UPI Sports Writer
Followers of the NBA's Midwest Division will need a scorecard to keep
up with all the new faces and familiar names in new places after an
active offseason.
Defending champion San Antonio's starting five is intact, but the
Spurs will have at least six new players, such as veteran forwards David
Greenwood, Mike Mitchell and Paul Pressey. They also have controversial
rookie center Dwayne Schintzius.
Division runner-up Utah swung a three-player deal for Jeff Malone
while Dallas, which relied on the draft to build its team in the past,
turned to free agent forward Alex English and acquired guard Fat Lever
and forward Rodney McCray.
Denver has a new coach in Paul Westhead and signed free agents
Orlando Woolridge and Joe Wolf, and drafted super scorer Chris Jackson
of LSU.
Houston traded for guard Kenny Smith, Minnesota has a potential
inside force with rookie center Felton Spencer, and Orlando, which
played in the Central Division last year, signed free agent center Greg
Kite.
``Look around the league,'' said Spurs Coach Larry Brown. ``If you
don't improve, you're in deep trouble.''
``There was a lot of movement,'' added Houston Coach Don Chaney,
``and it seemed everyone had to do something to counter everyone else.''
The Spurs are the early favorite to repeat. Their starting five of
Willie Anderson, Rod Strickland, Sean Elliott, Terry Cummings and David
Robinson could be the best in the conference.
Robinson, last season's Rookie of the Year, established himself as
one of the top centers in the game, and he'll be better.
The Spurs recorded the greatest single-season turnaround with a 35-
game improvement from the previous season, but they lost in the
conference semifinals, mainly because of an inadequate bench.
The addition of Greenwood, Mitchell and Pressey should help with
bench scoring. The key may be the troubled and overweight Schintzius,
who must put in quality minutes in relief of Robinson.
The Spurs have the potential to be the best team in the conference.
Utah is solid with its nucleus of Karl Malone, John Stockton, Thurl
Bailey and Mark Eaton. The Jazz lacked the consistent outside shot and
dealt for Jeff Malone, who averaged 24 points and shot 49 percent from
the field last season for Washington.
If the outside shot is there, the Jazz will be a contender.
Dallas already was a fairly experienced team when it added English,
McCray and Lever. The backcourt rotation of Lever, Rolando Blackman,
Derek Harper and Brad Davis should be one of the most solid in the NBA.
The main concerns are if the new mix will blend properly and if
talented forward Roy Tarpley can avoid further drug problems. He already
has two strikes against him in the NBA's drug program. One more and he's
out of the league.
The Mavericks could finish anywhere from first to fifth in the
division.
Westhead replaces the popular Doug Moe in Denver and will go with the
up-tempo game that succeeded for him at Loyola Marymount. If the Nuggets
can master Westhead's pressure defense and run-and-gun offensive flow by
the All-Star break, they could be in contention late in the season.
In the preseason, the Nuggets defense was suspect, losing by scores
of 186-123 to Phoenix, 194-166 to Atlanta and 173-155 to Boston. Denver
also lost some popular players in English, Lever and Danny Schayes, who
was traded to Milwaukee.
Houston has one of the best centers in the game in Akeem Olajuwon,
but still lacks a proven backcourt.
Projected starting guards Eric ``Sleepy'' Floyd was bothered by an
ankle injury while Vernon Maxwell was a camp holdout because he wants
his contract renegotiated. Kenny Smith has played well and could end up
a starter.
The Rockets, though, will be hard-pressed to finish higher than
fourth.
Minnesota and Orlando are in their second NBA season and are still
too young to challenge.
Minnesota's Tony Campbell can score, and the Timberwolves were the
NBA's second-best defensive team last year, but there's not enough
offense on a team that won just 22 games. Spencer could be a factor, but
he'll have to prove himself.
Orlando won 18 games while finishing last in the Central Division
last year. The jump to the Western Conference won't make things any
easier.
The Magic has good inside scoring power in forward Terry Catledge and
swingman Nick Anderson. Mark Acres and Kite will beef up the middle for
a team that was the NBA's worst defensively last year.
----(UPI)----
adv. weekend, Oct. 27-28
|
| 8.2453 | Hall of Shame Game | MCIS1::DHAMEL | A well-turned trick is a treat | Wed Oct 31 1990 12:41 | 44 |
|
My wife's job has her on the road a lot (I didn't say *streets*, guys),
and she happened to be in Springfield, MA at the Bay State West Mall
yesterday. In order to hype that evening's Rockets - Pissed-ons Hall
of Fame game, they had some members of each team hanging around and
signing autographs, so she and her friend Kate went down to see what
was happening.
Now, of course she has no idea who these players are, and I probably
wouldn't know half of them either. The Mall passed out free pennants,
so they went over to the autograph tables to get them signed. (Oh! Such
a treat for me!!)
So Dennis Rodman signed, then she asked John Sally "Hey, we've never
met a real-life professional basketball player before. Would you mind
standing up for us?" He says with a straight face "No, I'm too tired
and I have to work tonight." So her friend says "Aw, c'mon, ya gotta."
So then he says "I only get paid to work. The only thing I gotta do is
be black and die." This guy did not impress the ladies on this day,
to say the least. J. Edwards was the next signee. Lame-beer and the
Princess weren't around.
So at the Houston table there was Larry Smith, Dave Jamerson and Doug
Wood. They seemed friendly enough, and my wife told them about the
jerk at the other table. They couldn't believe it. So my wife asked
them to kick some Pissed-on ass that night, and they said they'd be
more than happy to oblige. Doug Wood had to leave before signing the
pennant to do some TV spot, but my wife asked him to come back before
he had to leave, which he did.
Moments later, things broke up, and Casey and Kate were really giving
it to Sally as he road up the escalator. "Whattsa matter? Time up and
you're not gettin' paid anymore?" He looked pissed and she said he
glared at them all the way up.
Now, what am I bid for this one-of-a-kind 1990 Hall of Fame autographed
pennant with urine stains? 8^)
Dickster
P.S. The Pissed-ons won the game, one hundred something-teen, to one
hundred single-digit something.
|
| 8.2454 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | A well-turned trick is a treat | Wed Oct 31 1990 12:54 | 7 |
|
P.P.S. After Sally's comment my wife, who can mix it up with the best
'em, said "So what? I'm white and short and I stood in line
for this." All she got was a glare.
Dickster
|
| 8.2455 | He gets paid for being a player, not for being black | SHALOT::MEDVID | Dump Jesse Helms | Wed Oct 31 1990 13:07 | 21 |
| Dickster,
Your wife and her friend should seriously consider writing a letter to
the the NBA with a CC to the Piston's organization letting them know
exactly what Sitting Bull said. Seeing that they were there to drum up
support for the game, that's exactly the kind of PR the NBA does not
want.
When we had the Charlotte 3-on-3 Street Ball thingy uptown this year,
several of the Hornets were there and I was amazed at how nice they
were to the fans and especially to the little kids. Rudy Keys, for
one, was in a 3-point shooting contest with normal joes who just signed
up. Instead of just standing there filling it up, he would teach kids
better shot techniques and such.
The latter is what the NBA wants. Not this "I don't get paid for that"
crap. I'm sure your wife would get a response from the NBA and I would
venture to say that since she has a witness (her friend) Sally might
also receive some form of punishment. Go for it.
--dan'l
|
| 8.2456 | Get beat up much? :-) | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Wed Oct 31 1990 13:31 | 3 |
| Dickster, I'd sure hate to meet yo' wife in a dark alley..... :-)
Hawk
|
| 8.2457 | | SA1794::GUSICJ | Referees whistle while they work.. | Wed Oct 31 1990 13:46 | 36 |
|
re: Hall of Fame day
Well I had the pleasure of attending the Hall of Fame luncheon
(it was before the autograph session...maybe they ate to much?)
where I had the pleasure of sitting with Laimbeer! He too wouldn't
sign autographs, although he said he would sign for our table.
In a way, I can understand this. Even being the bad guy, there
were plenty of people messing up OUR lunch by asking him to sign
basketballs, cards, programs, etc. I can see where it is invading,
but somehow, I couldn't resist if I were in that position and a
small kid asked for an autograph. Even though they announced that
no one was to seek autographs during the luncheon, there were people
that snuck over to the table and asked Bill to sign a pro trading
card.
Actually, Laimbeer was pretty cordial, but let it be known that
he really didn't want to be there and that was the sentiment of
most of the players. He looked real uneasy fielding our questions
and at luncheons end, had sweat clear through his suit jacket.
He answered all the questions we fired at him and he gave some very
frank answers. Said he like fishing and golf where he is a 1 handicap!
In all, I had a great time and it was kinda neat to sit down
with the ultimate bad guy of the NBA and ask him about his reputation,
his kids, his money, the league, his teams chances of 3-peat and
all, even though he was very uneasy about the whole thing. Hey,
and I even got 2 autographs of which the second is a classic. It
was from a page out of HOOPS magazine where he appears in a ad for
a shaver, with the title Mr. Senstivity..he signed the picture for
my brother-in-law (who hates his guts). Guess what my brother-in-
law will be getting for Christmas? Don't worry, he'll love it!
bill..g.
|
| 8.2458 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | A well-turned trick is a treat | Wed Oct 31 1990 13:48 | 12 |
|
My bo-dacious wife is certainly not one to mince words, but she was so
awe-struck by this guy with the hands as big as manhole covers, that
she really didn't get to open up in grand style. I don't think she'll
press the issue with the NBA or the Pissed-ons or anyone else. Jerks
are jerks in all walks of life, so why bother. She doesn't give a care
about basketball or basketball players anyway and wouldn't want to
waste her own time.
Dickster
|
| 8.2459 | | REFINE::ASHE | Don't cheeze me off, man... | Wed Oct 31 1990 15:19 | 1 |
| Sigh... I wish I could have gone...
|
| 8.2460 | I Hate Being Asked To Stand Up | USCTR2::RBLOUNT | Ain't That A Blip? | Thu Nov 01 1990 01:50 | 26 |
| Re: Sally is a jerk
I'm having a problem understanding how what you wrote translates into
Salley being a jerk. It sounds to me like shoe might be on the other
foot. The players were probably told to be there number one. Secondly
he was probably trying to politely tell your wife that her question was
out of line. Being a tall person myself I've been in that situation
many times. I resent people thinking I exist to satisfy their
curiosity, and I'm sure Salley does too. It's bad enough to have to put
up with the usual "How tall are you?" and "Do you play basketball"
questions. Asking a tall person to stand up really devalues him/her and
shows a lack of sensitivity on the questioners part. I absolutely
refuse to stand for anyone. I've also developed a whole litany of
smart-assed answers for those insensitive clods who feel that I'm under
some kind of obligation to tell them how tall I am. Further you state
that your wife and her friend (who didn't get their way so)they took it
upon themselves to yell a sarcastic remark at the guy as he was leaving.
What useful purpose did this serve other than to bust the guy's
filberts? Where's the sensitivity in this type of behavior?
No slam, JMHO as a tall person.
Reb
|
| 8.2461 | He gets paid to be polite too | SHALOT::MEDVID | Dump Jesse Helms | Thu Nov 01 1990 10:30 | 25 |
| > Secondly
> he was probably trying to politely tell your wife that her question was
> out of line.
"The only thing I gotta do is be black and die."
Real polite, I'll say.
> I've also developed a whole litany of
> smart-assed answers for those insensitive clods who feel that I'm under
> some kind of obligation to tell them how tall I am.
A terrific commentary on what you know about being polite.
Height is something that has become, for some reason, extremely valued
in western society. We are in awe of tall basketball players, women
like tall men, etc. If you got it, take advantage of it. Don't be a
jerk about it. Sally has used it as an advantage to his wallet, but as
soon as someone asks him to demonstrate it while not holding a
basketball, he gets nasty.
Hey, I never hesitate when a woman asks me about my incredibly
long...well, never mind. ;-}
--dan'l
|
| 8.2462 | Need instant replay to settle this...... | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Thu Nov 01 1990 10:45 | 18 |
| dan'l, I understand where reb's coming from. Both of my parents barely
broke 5'. When my growth 'mones exhausted themselves, leaving me at
6'2", my dad especially got off on how tall his boy was. Now, 6'2" is
no big deal, but I remember having to stand up constantly whenever we
had company.........
Thanks reb, for the tall man's perspective, however, I'm 50-50 on this
particular issue. Salley could've been more tolerant and respectful,
especially since I'm sure it's not the 1st time this sort of request
was asked of him. On the other hand, it was kind of a dumb request
(sorry, Dickster, nothing personal towards your wife!), but it appears
it was all in fun (the way Salley should've taken it). Heck, I'd never
do this, but it's like going into a semi-nude strip joint and asking
a dancer to remove her pasties for a minute (while I took a picture).
:-)
Hawk
|
| 8.2463 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | A well-turned trick is a treat | Thu Nov 01 1990 10:58 | 7 |
|
My wife and her friend approached the tables with little signs that had
pictures on them that looked like this --------> :-). The response
was not in kind. Rude is rude, as a rose is a rose.
dickster
|
| 8.2464 | Special exemption for Motown hoopsters ??? | SHALOT::HUNT | No. 1 Ranked Virginia Cavaliers | Thu Nov 01 1990 11:01 | 5 |
| 8.2465 | I can see it from both sides | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Nov 01 1990 11:01 | 15 |
|
Tall as valued in society is one thing, almost freakishly tall (as is
Salley's case) is another. I can see the self-consciousness there.
I can understand why Salley would refuse to stand, but I also agree
that he was excessively rude. Somewhere in the middle, a polite
refusal with explanation, would probably have been appropriate.
I'm somewhat surprised with this response from Salley, because from all
articles and interviews I've seen, he's appeared to be a very
intelligent, likeable man. Maybe he was just having a bad day, who
knows?
glenn
|
| 8.2466 | When Politeness Doesn't work | USCTR2::RBLOUNT | Ain't That A Blip? | Thu Nov 01 1990 11:17 | 32 |
| re: <<< Note 8.2461 by SHALOT::MEDVID "Dump Jesse Helms" >>>
You've missed the point. I've used politeness and people just ignore
it. I don't care how much society values height. I don't want people
thinking they can just walk up and start making request based on some
physical attribute. When politeness doesn't work, *then* I *sometimes*
become blunt. Tireness can be a factor in not being polite for me, as
I think it can be for Salley.
My point is not whether or not Salley was impolite, but to raise an
awareness of a dynamic that many people never think about. This "awe"
if not handled properly, can put tall people off. Insensitive,
aggressive people fail to understand this and keep pushing ("You gotta/
have to!") and then become shocked at any pointed response.
The expression Salley used is very common in the black community and
drives home the point that the speaker has choices, and chooses not to
honor the request and doesn't want to talk about it anymore. It's
unfortunate he chose to use it as it's obvious it was mis-understood
and as a public figure he probably should have chosen a less
antagonistic response.
I don't want to get into assigning blame in the incident, just
highlight that some behaviors we might consider innocuous aren't.
While I don't justify what he did, I'm saying I understand why he did
it, because it's happened to me more than once. Some tall people simply
resent being asked a bunch of intrusive questions about their height.
I'm done. Hope I wasn't too impolite. :-) Back to the regularly
scheduled note.
Reb
|
| 8.2467 | | CSCOAC::ROLLINS_R | | Thu Nov 01 1990 11:26 | 16 |
| > So Dennis Rodman signed, then she asked John Sally "Hey, we've never
> met a real-life professional basketball player before. Would you mind
> standing up for us?" He says with a straight face "No, I'm too tired
> and I have to work tonight." So her friend says "Aw, c'mon, ya gotta."
> So then he says "I only get paid to work. The only thing I gotta do is
> be black and die." This guy did not impress the ladies on this day,
> to say the least.
While I think the second response was rude, I think his first response
was courteous. And if the second "request" was put a little more
forcefully than stated above (i.e., "Hey, you've got to, you're getting
paid to do it," or some such thing), then I'd get a little ticked off,
too. I think people in the limelight should expect to have people place
demands on them they don't like, and should learn to be both polite and
tolerant. But I also can see where Salley could get a little defensive,
when the first request was turned down in a reasonably polite way.
|
| 8.2468 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Houston Coogs Roooole !!!!! | Thu Nov 01 1990 11:52 | 23 |
| re .2466
I agree with Ray.
Look, do you go up to an obese person and say : "Gee, I wonder how fat
you are ? Could you tell us ? Could you stand up ?"
Hell no, and you wouldn't expect a kind and gentle answer would you ?
Like someone pointed out, size is valued by this society, conversely
the lack of height is not smiled upon (take it form someone who has
spent much of his life being the runt of the litter).
Salley probably had a bad day, and while not admireable - is human.
Just because he's a NBA player, doesn't make him superman, or able to
be too differnt from you or I, or Dickerster's wife, who couldn't
resist a parting shot - real smart.
Anyhow, even a 'nice' question - especially height - can hit a nerve
with tall people. And from people I've talked to, and things I've read,
most men over 6'6" or so (and many women over 6'), be it Wilt, Bill
Walton, or Joe Schmoe, wish that their height not be treated like a
sideshow exhibit.
|
| 8.2469 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Thu Nov 01 1990 12:20 | 5 |
| I agree with Doc completely, as one who is also the "runt of the
litter", both among my own family and from having spent a good chunk of
my life around football and basketball teams.
John
|
| 8.2470 | Someone had to ask ... | WORDY::NAZZARO | Cannibals aren't picky eaters! | Thu Nov 01 1990 13:00 | 3 |
| Hey Reb, you freak of nature, how tall are you anyway?
NAZZ
|
| 8.2471 | | SHALOT::MEDVID | Dump Jesse Helms | Thu Nov 01 1990 13:08 | 9 |
| If Mr. Salley can't handle the public, the NBA or the Pistons should
not put him in situations like that. If a Digital salesperson had said
that to a customer...bye bye customer. And perhaps bye bye Digital
salesperson. Why is the Spider any different? Because he's in the
NBA and guaranteed millions no matter what he says?
People should be nice to each other all the time, you assholes! 8-)
--dan'l
|
| 8.2472 | | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Thu Nov 01 1990 13:23 | 10 |
| 8.2473 | Salley | LUDWIG::HEALEY | | Thu Nov 01 1990 13:27 | 3 |
| Mr. Salley is a pro and should act like one,what he said is uncalled
for bottom line.
|
| 8.2474 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | I just gotta be white and die | Thu Nov 01 1990 13:29 | 8 |
|
Hawk, she's always a lady to me, except for maybe a few PMS days. But
you know how that is. Hey, maybe if our wives are on the same schedule
we can take in some Leominster football games or somethin' till the
heat's off. 8^)
Dickster
|
| 8.2475 | Ha! | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Thu Nov 01 1990 13:37 | 7 |
| Great idea there, Dickster! Let's synchronize our wives!
Let's see, I believe the heat was off by around Monday, Tuesday the
latest. It definitely was off last night when she pleaded with me to
shave the 2 week hair growth off my face...... :-)
Hawk
|
| 8.2476 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Houston Coogs Roooole !!!!! | Thu Nov 01 1990 13:46 | 1 |
| How tall is your wife Dickster ?
|
| 8.2477 | | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Thu Nov 01 1990 13:52 | 1 |
| I bet she's taller than you, Dock! :-)
|
| 8.2478 | Heck, Doc would've been to short to be in the Wizard of Oz... | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | I'm Crazy Mad! | Thu Nov 01 1990 13:59 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.2479 | :-) | EARRTH::BROOKS | Houston Coogs Roooole !!!!! | Thu Nov 01 1990 14:09 | 1 |
| It isn't how short ... it's how long ....
|
| 8.2480 | ...and I thought you were called shorty because of your height... | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | I'm Crazy Mad! | Thu Nov 01 1990 14:25 | 1 |
|
|
| 8.2481 | Loophole | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Voted for whatsisname... | Thu Nov 01 1990 14:36 | 6 |
| >What happened to "pay taxes" ???
Maybe Salley misunderstood the recent political action and thought Bush
had preserved the wealthy's right not to pay taxes.
Dan
|
| 8.2482 | | ICODSP::LEFEBVRE | Straight, no chaser | Thu Nov 01 1990 14:42 | 12 |
| <<< Note 8.2481 by HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER "Voted for whatsisname..." >>>
-< Loophole >-
> >What happened to "pay taxes" ???
>
> Maybe Salley misunderstood the recent political action and thought Bush
> had preserved the wealthy's right not to pay taxes.
Dan, this is a crock and you know it. What services do the rich tap
from society that the poor and middle class don't?
Mark.
|
| 8.2483 | Nope. Her name ain't G-l-o-r-i-a. | MCIS1::DHAMEL | I just gotta be white and die | Thu Nov 01 1990 14:48 | 10 |
|
Dock: .2476
Lemme tell you 'bout my baby.
Y'know she comes around.
She's about five feet four,
From her head to the ground.
Dickster
|
| 8.2484 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Nov 01 1990 14:49 | 8 |
|
> Dan, this is a crock and you know it. What services do the rich tap
> from society that the poor and middle class don't?
The S & L fiasco represents one very large one...
glenn
|
| 8.2485 | Larry, Moe, and Curly | SHALOT::MEDVID | Dump Jesse Helms | Thu Nov 01 1990 14:52 | 4 |
| Let's just blame Reagan, Bush, and Jesse Helms for everything (and
rightly so) and get this political discussion over with.
--dan'l
|
| 8.2486 | Okay For You Nazz | USCTR2::RBLOUNT | Ain't That A Blip? | Thu Nov 01 1990 14:57 | 6 |
| Re: Nazz
You warm sensitive guy, thanks for asking! Lemme standup and you can
speak right into the microphone! :-) :-o
Reb
|
| 8.2487 | No crock. Absolute truth about the Prez. | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Voted for whatsisname... | Thu Nov 01 1990 14:57 | 7 |
| >What services do the rich tap
>from society that the poor and middle class don't?
What's the point of the question? To show that you are against
progressive taxation?
Dan
|
| 8.2488 | I used to be tall in 7th grade, but didn't grow much | WORDY::NAZZARO | Cannibals aren't picky eaters! | Thu Nov 01 1990 15:08 | 5 |
| What, Reb - you think I'm as short as Doc or somethin'?
I'm a legitimate 5' 10 1/2" of sinewy steel.
NAZZ
|
| 8.2489 | if only the women knew | UPWARD::HEISER | two bodies, 1 mind, 1 soul | Thu Nov 01 1990 15:32 | 10 |
| > It isn't how short ... it's how long ....
Doc brings up a very valid point here. I also don't see why women go
for the tall ones, and I'm 6'2". Rumor has it that the tall ones are
just like the muscleheads: there are trade offs in everything and
where they're lacking is under wraps ;-)
Too many power lifters are called "Tiny" for a reason.
Mike
|
| 8.2490 | Scary! :-) | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Thu Nov 01 1990 15:39 | 5 |
| > ...... called "Tiny" for a reason.
Reminds me of swimming in coooooold water, like at Hampton Beach!
Hawk
|
| 8.2491 | although MrT claims he's 6'5" | CBOPC3::ROSS | You've fallen and can't get up! | Thu Nov 01 1990 15:40 | 1 |
| I never met a noter taller than me.
|
| 8.2492 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | LegitimateSportingPurpose?E.S.A.D.! | Thu Nov 01 1990 16:23 | 11 |
| Dickster,
Yur gonna have to slap some sense into that woman.!
Number one, anybody who wears one of them smiley faces already has two strikes
against them in my book, and in some neighborhoods she would be mugged.
Number two, it is never a good idea to smart mouth somebody who is 2 foot
taller and about 200 lbs.heavier than you are.
Mike JN
|
| 8.2493 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | I just gotta be white and die | Thu Nov 01 1990 16:57 | 11 |
|
Mike, I've never hit a woman, and I'm not a violent person, even though
I watch horror movies and Broon games. I didn't mean the smiley faces
were real; what I meant was to reflect a smiley-face attitude as to
what was originally said. And you're right, it isn't a good idea to
antagonize a bull or a lion or a human who feels their only recourse is
to hurt you. But at least I'll respect the bull and the lion. What a
jungle.
Dickster
|
| 8.2494 | | REFINE::ASHE | Don't cheeze me off, man... | Thu Nov 01 1990 18:21 | 5 |
| re .2471, and .2473...
Salley is a professional NBA player, not a spokesperson. He's not
paid to be a political spokesperson... I'd give him the benefit
of the doubt...
|
| 8.2495 | Don't Hurt Me, Nazz! | USCTR2::RBLOUNT | Ain't That A Blip? | Thu Nov 01 1990 18:40 | 6 |
| Re: Nazz
I'm Roooolling. Sinewy steel? Bahahahaha! Whatca got stamped on your
belt? "Do Not Over Inflate?" ;-)
Reb
|
| 8.2496 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Thu Nov 01 1990 18:45 | 4 |
|
word to your mother...
|
| 8.2497 | What was this topic about, anyway? | WORDY::NAZZARO | Cannibals aren't picky eaters! | Fri Nov 02 1990 11:34 | 4 |
| Easy Reb - I can't help it if I've somehow come up with an
insatiable appetite (for food, that is!) since I've turned 40!
The never slender, but now bordering on tubby NAZZ
|
| 8.2498 | Ask Dan what he thinks about "Prince"! :-) | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Fri Nov 02 1990 11:45 | 3 |
| Been hittin' the Grotto a lot lately, huh NAZZ? :-)
Hawk
|
| 8.2499 | rollin | LUNER::BROOKS | Houston Coogs Roooole !!!!! | Fri Nov 02 1990 14:09 | 9 |
| re .2496
There's hope for you yet Paul ....
ice ice baby !
DrM
p.s. You didn't dye your hair dark for the video did ya ?
|
| 8.2500 | Hop on the Celts bandwagon! | CRBOSS::DERRY | Been caught stealin'...once... | Fri Nov 02 1990 14:29 | 1 |
| anything less than the best is a felony....
|
| 8.2501 | | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his lips...Know new taxes! | Fri Nov 02 1990 16:42 | 3 |
| Peter May of the Globe picks the Suns to win the champeenship. The
other 2 writers pick the Pistons.
Denny
|
| 8.2502 | (vanilla) ice ice baby... | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Fri Nov 02 1990 17:24 | 6 |
|
re: .2499
If there's a problem - YO, i'll solve it...
|
| 8.2503 | | UPWARD::HEISER | two bodies, 1 mind, 1 soul | Fri Nov 02 1990 17:25 | 1 |
| alright Peter my man!
|
| 8.2504 | Who does Freaks of the Industry? | REFINE::ASHE | Don't cheeze me off, man... | Fri Nov 02 1990 17:36 | 1 |
| re: Doc, Paul - pick a REAL song, would ya?
|
| 8.2505 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Fri Nov 02 1990 18:01 | 3 |
|
re: Walt... spin some BBD "poison"...
|
| 8.2506 | You probably liked "Hangin' Tough" too... | REFINE::ASHE | Don't cheeze me off, man... | Fri Nov 02 1990 18:25 | 3 |
| Gimme a break.... I mean I don't trust a big butt and a smile,
but talk to me after Tom's Diner, or Wiggle it, or like I
said, Freaks of the Industry....
|
| 8.2507 | Back to the topic.... Hammer Time! | REFINE::ASHE | Don't cheeze me off, man... | Fri Nov 02 1990 18:26 | 1 |
| Or... the Piston's theme song... "Can't touch this..."
|
| 8.2508 | | LUNER::BROOKS | If there's a problem-Yo!-I'll solve it.. | Fri Nov 02 1990 19:13 | 4 |
| Hey Paul ... "Poison" is OLD. Try "Do Me" or "I Thought It Was Me" ...
"Tom's Diner" Walt ? How about "Make You Sweat" (not Keith Sweat's
version) or Monie Love ?
|
| 8.2509 | Check out the Rip (in his pants) as the DJ revolves it | SONG::ASHE | Don't cheeze me off, man... | Fri Nov 02 1990 19:18 | 5 |
| 8.2510 | | CAM::WAY | Hartford 31 Buffalo 10 | Mon Nov 05 1990 09:42 | 1 |
| Gee, doesn't anyone like Frank Sinatra any more?
|
| 8.2511 | | HPSRAD::SANTOS | | Mon Nov 05 1990 10:36 | 6 |
| Frank Sinatra??? Isn't he a backup singer for George Michael?
Like Tony-Tony-Tony (don't know the correct spelling) say's
"It feels good"
Heavy_Dee
|
| 8.2512 | looks good so far | CNTROL::CHILDS | Never, hear surf music again... | Mon Nov 05 1990 10:53 | 4 |
|
I know it's early but what you think Doc, don't our C's look great?
mike
|
| 8.2513 | Never too early, eh Mikey? (-: | CRBOSS::DERRY | Been caught stealin'...once... | Mon Nov 05 1990 10:58 | 1 |
| Mike's planning a C's banner raising party...
|
| 8.2514 | yeah. I'm going to let Doc hoist the rope too... ;^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | Never, hear surf music again... | Mon Nov 05 1990 11:13 | 0 |
| 8.2515 | Old Blue Eyes should be there too.... | CAM::WAY | Hartford 31 Buffalo 10 | Mon Nov 05 1990 11:24 | 10 |
| Yeah, maybe Frank Sinatra could sing "Young at Heart" also...
You know:
Fairy tales, can come true, it can happen to you,
If you're young at heart.....
HTH,
'Saw
|
| 8.2516 | These little towwwwn bluuuuuuuuues.... | REFINE::ASHE | Don't cheeze me off, man... | Mon Nov 05 1990 11:58 | 7 |
| Nice one 'Saw...
Tony Toni Tone is good too...
Anyone heard Justify My Love by Madonna yet?
Pistons look pretty good so far... too early to get excited though...
|
| 8.2517 | drm afraid of being beaten by ice again! | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Mon Nov 05 1990 12:10 | 14 |
|
Not the NBA... but...
I play on the same hoop team as DrM in the DEC Hoop league...
Two weeks ago I challanged him to a one-on-one after the game -
his excuse was that he played defense, unlike me, and that he
was tired.
Last week, I challanged him again after the game - his excuse
from week one was no longer valid because he didn't play until
the 2nd half... this time his excuse was that he has a life,
and better things to do on friday...
bottom line... he knows that the story will be the same...
ice pounds midwife.... the real story is fear...
|
| 8.2518 | | CAM::WAY | Hartford 31 Buffalo 10 | Mon Nov 05 1990 12:24 | 5 |
| Seen the cover of SI?
Ya gotta love it!
'Saw, who's still rolling!
|
| 8.2519 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Houston Coogs - National Champs | Mon Nov 05 1990 13:08 | 4 |
| re .2517
Moaner .... I hear that Bernie dropped a bar of soap, why don't you go
pick it up for him ?
|
| 8.2520 | ha ha ha... any new excuses for this week? | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Mon Nov 05 1990 13:21 | 2 |
|
DrLamoid speaks....
|
| 8.2521 | Do I speak for most of us? | REFINE::ASHE | Don't cheeze me off, man... | Mon Nov 05 1990 14:32 | 1 |
| Yawn...
|
| 8.2522 | REB Knows Politeness | USCTR2::RBLOUNT | Ain't That A Blip? | Mon Nov 05 1990 15:13 | 29 |
| 8.2523 | Seen in Yesterday's Globe | USCTR2::RBLOUNT | Ain't That A Blip? | Mon Nov 05 1990 15:20 | 8 |
| Anybody else catch the quote from the retired NBA ref(Jake O'Donnell?)
about Darrell Garrettson? He said the Garrettson was out of control,
has a huge ego and wants everybody to kiss his butt. Wonder what Jake
really thought of Darrell?
Anybody know the source of the Quote? Did Jake write a book, or on a
sports talk show or what?
Reb
|
| 8.2524 | | PNO::HEISER | stand in the gap | Mon Nov 05 1990 15:27 | 11 |
| Jake isn't a retiree (though Celtics fans wish he were), Earl Strom is.
Earl has come out with a book that contains the quote. A local sports
show had an interview with Garretson about Earl (Darrell lives in Phoenix).
It seems this feud between the 2 started years ago when Darrell was
appointed head referee over Earl. It wouldn't have been so bad, but
Darrell didn't apply for the post and Earl did.
Garrettson basically said, "If it helps him sell his book, so be it."
Mike
|
| 8.2525 | Garretson one of the worst of the 'knowns' | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Voted for whatsisname... | Mon Nov 05 1990 15:32 | 10 |
| >It seems this feud between the 2 started years ago when Darrell was
>appointed head referee over Earl. It wouldn't have been so bad, but
>Darrell didn't apply for the post and Earl did.
I thought it was Richie Powers who wanted the post, and got caught up
in the fued with Garretson. Garretson has always impressed me as a
pompous ass who incites and frustrates players with his attitude after
he makes a bad call. Reminds me of a softball umpire I know.
Dan
|
| 8.2526 | Of Course It Was Earl! | USCTR2::RBLOUNT | Ain't That A Blip? | Mon Nov 05 1990 16:18 | 5 |
| Thanks Mike. I wasn't aware of the history between the two. The quote
seemed unusually nasty, but not in context of a feud and new book to
sell.
Reb
|
| 8.2527 | Needed: More Jerks Like These Two | 3218::REEVE | | Mon Nov 05 1990 18:14 | 4 |
| They are both jerks but who cares ? They are also the two best refs
in the NBA for the last 20 years, IMO.
Chris
|
| 8.2528 | | 16697::HEISER | stand in the gap | Mon Nov 05 1990 18:39 | 7 |
| Earl put in another shot about Darrell's son becoming a referee on the
coat tails of his Dad.
Darrell made it known that he had Stern remove him from the nominating
and selection committees so remarks like that couldn't be justified.
Mike
|
| 8.2529 | | 37448::DFAUST | Go for 1000% more | Mon Nov 05 1990 21:51 | 19 |
|
Did anyone read the exerpts from Yogi's book in SI this week (the NBA
preview issue). The lead of the story had me rolling on the floor. He
has Laimbeer and Bird going for a loose ball,jostling. Finally, Bird
dives for the ball and slides across the floor with it. Laimbeer,
knowing that if you do that it's a traveling call, doesn't do it and
uses his smarts to get the ball. Yogi, however, decides that to blow
his whistle there would penalize Bird's hustle and does nothing. I
think that Strom's thinking is a crock! The rules are the rules. IMO,
he penalized Laimbeer for knowing the rules nad doing the "smart"
thing, while rewarding Bird for doing the wrong thing. I agree that the
rules are sometimes stupid, but he was out there to do a job.
Dennis Faust
BTW - I think Stom was one of the better officials. He lives about 15
minutes away from me in Pottstown, PA and some of the pictures in the
SI article are from around the ole hometown.
|
| 8.2530 | | 19358::GUSICJ | Referees whistle while they work.. | Tue Nov 06 1990 12:36 | 13 |
|
Re: -1
Actually, a no travel on Bird was the CORRECT call. When diving
for a loose ball, you can slide clear across the court. As long
as at the end of the slide you don't roll to one side or the other
to avoid another players attempt at getting the ball, it is a legal
play. The reasoning behind it is exactly the way the ref' called
it.. Why penalize a hustle play?
bill..g.
|
| 8.2531 | | 16697::HEISER | stand in the gap | Tue Nov 06 1990 13:18 | 4 |
| NBA refs seem to place more emphasis on player's advantages or
disadvantages than making correct calls.
Mike
|
| 8.2532 | two of the most physical guys treated like Cinderella | 6984::CHILDS | Never, hear surf music again... | Tue Nov 06 1990 13:20 | 6 |
|
The thing that piss me off most about NBA refs is no respect for rookies.
A rookie can't make a great play defensively without a foul being called.
Next would be the kid gloves they treat Moses and Karl Malone with...
mike
|
| 8.2533 | | 19358::GUSICJ | Referees whistle while they work.. | Tue Nov 06 1990 14:09 | 14 |
|
Hey Mike, that's all a basketball ref is supposed to do...judge
between advantage and disadvantage. The problem with the NBA guys
is that they are part of "Sports Entertainment" a-la the WWF. If
the ref's were allowed to do their job, the NBA would be pretty
boring, at least until the players learned the rules about palming,
walking, and playing defense. But, the NBA is in the business
to sell tickets and that type of ball doesn't bring in Joe average
to see a game.
bill..g.
|
| 8.2534 | | 37448::DFAUST | Go for 1000% more | Tue Nov 06 1990 16:34 | 12 |
| re: a few back
I guess I didn't tell enough of the SI story. Strom says that by the
rules it was clearly a travel. He just decided not to penalize the
hustle. By your reply, it appears you agree. While I don't want to
penalize the hustle, I don't want to penalize the guy with enough
smarts to know that you cannot do those things. And it appears to me,
from reading the article, that's what they did to Laimbeer. I just
think that's wrong.
Dennis Faust
|
| 8.2535 | | 19358::GUSICJ | Referees whistle while they work.. | Tue Nov 06 1990 17:07 | 18 |
|
And the rules also clearly state while inbounding the ball,
that no part of the ball my break the plane of the out-of-bounds
line without it having first left the inbounding players hand(s),
but I ask you, is it called? What is the purpose of enforcing the
rule if no advantage was gained or lost?
The rulebook also states that contact is a foul, but if there
was a foul everytime contact occured, it would be a pretty boring
game! Again, if there was no advantage gained or lost by the contact,
then there is no foul. And again, it's all based upon how the official
uses his judgment. Was there an advantage gained, or was a player
put at a disadvantage? If either is true, then we have a violation,
or foul. If not, play on!
bill..g.
|
| 8.2536 | | 15558::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Tue Nov 06 1990 17:28 | 8 |
| I've got a question for our resident ref. So many times in the NBA,
after a bucket, a player will grab the ball, take one step out of
bounds, flip the ball in, and head up court without his other foot ever
touching out of bounds. Are both feet supposed to be out of bounds
before the throw-in can be attempted? My answer would be `yes', but
you rarely see that in the NBA after a hoop.....
Hawk
|
| 8.2537 | | 15365::MACGREGOR | Three time GutterBall champion!! | Tue Nov 06 1990 17:30 | 4 |
| Officially, it is a turnover, but in reality it is one of those
"There was no advantage gained" type rules.
The Wizard
|
| 8.2538 | | 5734::BROOKS | Inshallah ... Go Gantt ! | Tue Nov 06 1990 18:09 | 6 |
| re .2536
Once again, if no advantage is gained, then you don't call it. Once in
a while it's called if a player is really blatant. I once called it,
when a player just took it out from where he caught it (right under the
net) ... sheesh ....
|
| 8.2539 | | 18557::WAY | Opthrah v Rosezilla, TV Fatties Battle | Tue Nov 06 1990 18:13 | 12 |
| Some sports (soccer, rugby) have special provisions expressly
in their laws for the playing of the advantage.
In rugby for example, a ref won't call a knock on right away
if the non-offending team can gain the advantage....
Similar things apply in soccer.
Perhaps the hoops rules should be ammended to include similar
laws....
'Saw
|
| 8.2540 | | 37448::DFAUST | Go for 1000% more | Wed Nov 07 1990 10:29 | 7 |
|
I still contend that the offending player gained an advantage because
the non offending player knew it was a violation and just let him go,
know a travelling call should result. IMO, that's gaining an advantage.
Dennis
|
| 8.2541 | This Jihad member is definately excited | 6984::CHILDS | Never, hear surf music again... | Wed Nov 07 1990 10:41 | 21 |
|
Nervous yet Walt? ;^)
What do you think Doc, was that exciting last night or what? Celts rally
from 12 down in the fourth quarter to beat Bulls at the buzz with a Brian
Shaw layup of a Parrish airball. Had to be impressed with Coach Ford's ( a
lock to win coach of the year) decision last night to sit Bird during the
entire comeback. While Bird was hot hitting 8 shots in a row between the
third and fourth quarter, he was as usual be beating like a drum defensively.
Lewis also sat during the comeback but I heard he was suffering from back
spasm. Great win considering the all not to kind refs. Chicago basically
travelled and hit people at will without a call while the Celts got called
for breathing....
In other action (don't remember the scores) Pistons lost to Seattle, Portland
beat the Lakers in OT, Golden St beat the Clippers, Dallas beat the Knicks,
the Bucks beat the Heat, the Hawks beat the Kings, Cleveland beat the Magic,
and the Hornets lost......
mike
|
| 8.2542 | | 34008::ROSS | Hornet fan from way back... | Wed Nov 07 1990 10:47 | 10 |
| I wonder how long it will be before Magic fires Dunleavy.
Is it true that with the Lakers head down the slope, that the class of
Hollywood stars and starlets who attend "Showtime" has fallen off a bit
as well? I heard Jack Nicholson gave up his seats to Norman Fell. And
Arsenio Hall sold his to Byron Allen. Dyan Cannon dropped her passes
off at Zsa Zsa Gabor's house.
|
| 8.2543 | Perkins isn't the answer | 6984::CHILDS | Never, hear surf music again... | Wed Nov 07 1990 11:15 | 9 |
|
Lakers are in serious trouble. they have a big donut in the middle. No
Center no championship. too bad I was hoping the Celts could tan their
hide one more time in the championship....
oh and sorry I incorrectly report the Hornets as loosing they won...
|
| 8.2544 | McHale would start on every/any NBA team...... | 15558::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Wed Nov 07 1990 11:16 | 10 |
| I caught bits and pieces of the Celts game, and I'm continually
impressed at what a player Kevin McHale is. I have to laugh when I
think back several years ago when people had written him off then....
Coach Ford apparently is doing a very good job so far. Hopefully, he
doesn't get KC Jones syndrome and run his prized horses to death.....
Lakers are looking good, eh? :-)
Hawk
|
| 8.2545 | Go Celts! Go Warriors (except when playing Celts) | 19584::YANKOWSKAS | Paul Yankowskas | Wed Nov 07 1990 11:40 | 16 |
| re the Celtics:
Yes, it's still early, but road wins against the Knicks and Bulls are
an encouraging sign. The last couple years, an away game for the Green
and White against even a fair team has almost always been an automatic
"L".
Point well taken about pacing Hawk, it is an 81 game season (and then
the real season starts).
Also pleased to hear that my "comrade" Marciulonis(sp?) had 21 in Golden
State's win last night.
py
|
| 8.2546 | | 19358::GUSICJ | Referees whistle while they work.. | Wed Nov 07 1990 12:53 | 44 |
|
re: back a few
I'm not the only resident basketball ref in this conference,
but I think I am the most vocal when the ref-bashing starts..I think
Doc is uptight about people in here knowing that he is a ZEBRA.
Maybe he thinks people in here will come out an throw stuff at him?
Hey Doc, people are gonna hate you no matter what. At least
you can get back at them when you wear the stripes!!! :-)
I think your question has been answered very well as to the
out of bounds situation, but let me add that this type of situation
only occurs when there is NO defensive pressure. If there is defensive
pressure, then the player inbounding the ball is gaining a distinct
advantage by being allowed to cross the endline. Conversely, the
defensive player may not "break the plane" as he guards the thrower-in.
If he was allowed to break that plane, he/she would be putting the
thrower-in at a disadvantage.
Now, there is also one exception to this throw-in situation.
If there is no defensive pressure, it is good officiating to let
the inbounding player break the plane as he inbounds the ball.
Now, say the thrower-in heaves a full court pass to someone streaking
down court. If he breaks the plane on that bomb type pass with
his leg or foot, I will call that a violation. Here again, the
thrower-in is gaining an advantage by having one leg/foot in the
court. If he wants to throw the bomb, then he must be totally behind
the out-of-bounds line.
As for the diving for a loose ball/travel, I'll admit that it
is a tricky situation, but the refs are taught to not penalize that
type of hustle play. Technically, the rulebook does not say that
it is a travel. It becomes a travel when the diver with the ball,
turns to one side or the other to avoid another players attempt
at the ball, or when the diver after securing the ball, attempts
to sit up, or kneel without having started a dribble.
Laimbeer THOUGHT he knew the rule, but clearly he didn't. At
least he didn't know the interpretation of the rule. Laimbeer should
just play the game and let the ref's worry about interpreting the
play. I always tell the players, play until you hear a whistle!
bill..g.
|
| 8.2547 | | 15558::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Wed Nov 07 1990 13:02 | 7 |
| > Doc is uptight about people in here knowing that he is a ZEBRA.
> Maybe he thinks people in here will come out and throw stuff at him?
HAHAHAHAHA!!!(tm) Great idea, Bill! Hey Dock, when are you ZEBRAing
next? :-)
Hawk
|
| 8.2548 | Did I hear my name mentioned? | 56998::ASHE | Don't cheeze me off, man... | Wed Nov 07 1990 13:44 | 1 |
| I'm shaking Mike...
|
| 8.2549 | Rip City returns! | 10650::JOYNERGL | The Portland Kid | Wed Nov 07 1990 13:52 | 7 |
| The Blazers never get any respect. Maybe last night's win will
show everybody that yes they deserved to be in the Finals last
year, and that they will be there again this year.
People are saying that the Lakers are losing it, but I think that
the Blazers are just getting that much better. I think that Terry
Porter and Clyde Drexler are the best backcourt duo in the NBA!
|
| 8.2550 | | 2260::NORI | | Wed Nov 07 1990 14:41 | 6 |
| re: .2542
>> I wonder how long it will be before Magic fires Dunleavy.
As long as it would take Bird or McHale to get Chris Ford fired.
-- Ram Nori
|
| 8.2551 | | 33328::BMCWILLIAMS | Improvise if you have to ... | Wed Nov 07 1990 16:41 | 12 |
| RE. Hawk in 8.24
> Coach Ford apparently is doing a very good job so far. Hopefully, he
> doesn't get KC Jones syndrome and run his prized horses to death.....
Whatever this "KC Jones syndrome" is, I LIKE it:
Sonics down the W.C. Pistons and are 2-0.
Anyone see the game?
Brian
|
| 8.2552 | Peyton is a player.... | 10529::METZGER | Quoth the raven,"Eat my shorts" | Wed Nov 07 1990 18:18 | 15 |
|
I watched about 1/2 of it. Sonics looked good. the thing I liked best about
them was their quickness on defense. Everytime the ball went into the hole
to Edwards he got stripped before he could say boo.
K.C Syndrome was his particular way of substituting when he was the C's coach,
Starters played 40+ minutes a game and when he substituted he pulled the entire
starting unit and subbed in the green team. As soon as they made a mistake he
pulled the whole unit and put all the starters back in.
He has been substituting intelligently with the Sonics so far. I think it's
because he doesn't have an entire team of vets to ride into the ground any
more...
Metz
|
| 8.2553 | Want a Copy of Schedule NBA | 7300::MBROOKS | | Thu Nov 08 1990 13:09 | 5 |
| Can anyone tell me where I can find a copy of the NBA Schedule.
I got last years schedule out of the notes files somewhere, but
I havent been able to find a copy of this years schedule.
Thanks In Advance.
Mike Brooks
|
| 8.2554 | | 16697::HEISER | stand in the gap | Thu Nov 08 1990 13:18 | 6 |
| Re: -1
Mike, look in the Celtics conference (AIADM::BOSTON_CELTICS). There is
a note in there full of .COM files, one of them has the whole schedule.
Mike
|
| 8.2555 | Phone call for Mr. George | 7094::MCKAY | | Thu Nov 08 1990 20:21 | 5 |
| Anyone out there know what happened to Tate George of the Nets, I
just noticed he hasn't been in the box scores. Did he get cut, hurt
etc...
Jimbo
|
| 8.2556 | | 10529::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Thu Nov 08 1990 23:19 | 21 |
| re: .2551
Brian, I watched the game. A rare home game on the tube.
Supes looked great. They shot pretty badly from the field in the first
half, but stayed close. In the 4th quarter, X got hot and they pulled
away. Payton is the answer to McKey's prayers. He gets him the ball
when and where he needs it. Kemp had an incredible dunk in the 4th
over Laimbeer. It was called (correctly) and offensive foul, as big
Bill was set, but it was a sight to behold. He dribbled between two
defenders at the top of the key and rammed it in. The crowd went nuts.
KC has them playing some great team ball. Threatt is what they need at
the off-guard. I think Ellis' return will hurt the team badly. He
can't handle the ball, pass or play D, all of which Sedale can do very
well.
I've heard the raps on KC as the Celts' coach, but he's just what the
Sonics need.
Pete
|
| 8.2557 | | 2260::NORI | | Fri Nov 09 1990 11:31 | 6 |
| re: .2555
Tate George is still with the Nets. He and Coleman helped Nets win their
first game of the season last night.
-- Ram Nori
|
| 8.2558 | | 33328::BMCWILLIAMS | Improvise if you have to ... | Fri Nov 09 1990 12:28 | 12 |
| RE.< Note 8.2556 by 10529::CROUCH "Grand marshall of the dork parade" >
Pete, your note raises a few questions:
-Is Payton starting at point?
-Is Nate McMillan on the roster? Where did he end up?
-Rodman fouled out guarding McKey/Kemp?
-When is Ellis due back?
-Does this team run or prefer to play in the halfcourt? (Guess we'll find out
when they play Denver!)
Brian
|
| 8.2559 | | 10529::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Fri Nov 09 1990 12:46 | 40 |
| <<< Note 8.2558 by 33328::BMCWILLIAMS "Improvise if you have to ..." >>>
RE.< Note 8.2556 by 10529::CROUCH "Grand marshall of the dork parade" >
Pete, your note raises a few questions:
-Is Payton starting at point?
>>>Yes, Payton is starting at the point.
-Is Nate McMillan on the roster? Where did he end up?
>>>Nate is out with a sprained knee, but is supposed to be back
tonight. He's slated to be a small forward, not a guard.
-Rodman fouled out guarding McKey/Kemp?
>>>I must have been fixin' some dinner vittles when this happened. I
didn't notice if Rodman fouled out.
-When is Ellis due back?
>>>He's day-to-day. There is some speculation that he isn't really
hurt all that bad, but that KC doesn't want to disrupt the rotation.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a trade soon. Ellis is still at it
with his strange behavior. He missed his day in jail for his drunk
driving conviction when he overslept. He later paid his debt to
society. He's also still facing a court appearance for whackin' his
wife.
-Does this team run or prefer to play in the halfcourt? (Guess we'll find out
when they play Denver!)
>>>They are running way more than last year. Payton runs the break
very well. They are also emphasizing defense this year. Their
quickness on D was the main reason they beat Detroit. I don't know
if there are quicker guards anywhere than Threatt, Barros and Payton.
Pete
|
| 8.2560 | | 34008::ROSS | Bess, you is my woman now | Mon Nov 12 1990 10:04 | 12 |
| Lakers are having a bit of trouble getting out of the blocks... 1 and 3 now with
the "1" being an uninspiring win over the Kings. Magic has not been shooting
well at all. And the quotes have already started... over the weekend, I read
one quote from Mike Dunleavy talking about how great a player Magic was and that
"He tells me when he wants to come out and he tells me when he wants to go back
in." Magic was also quoted with some not-too-happy remarks about Dunleavy's
offensive strategy being greatly different from Riley's and how he sometimes
is not sure what he is supposed to be doing out there.
Remember the days of Jimmy Rodgers? It's going to happen out West this year.
Worthy had an inspiring 2 rebounds and zero assists against the Knicks Sunday.
|
| 8.2561 | | PMVAX::NORI | | Mon Nov 12 1990 12:59 | 8 |
| re: .2560
>> Worthy had an inspiring 2 rebounds and zero assists against the Knicks
>> Sunday.
Worthy can have bad night like anyother player such as McHale who had 0
(ZERO) rebound.
-- Ram Nori
|
| 8.2562 | | PMVAX::NORI | | Mon Nov 12 1990 14:10 | 6 |
| re: .2560
Where did you hear/read those quotes ? I will not be surpised if you
made them up.
-- Ram Nori
|
| 8.2563 | | UPWARD::HEISER | HerosSaveWhales, SaveABaby&GoToJail | Mon Nov 12 1990 14:16 | 3 |
| It won't get easier either with Phoenix visiting tomorrow night.
Mike
|
| 8.2564 | You have no basis for your asinine presumption | CBOPC3::ROSS | Belly proceeds as hair recedes | Mon Nov 12 1990 14:35 | 11 |
| > Where did you hear/read those quotes ? I will not be surpised if you
> made them up.
>
> -- Ram Nori
Be surprised. They were in the South Carolina State newspaper {you see,
Dunleavy went to South Carolina, so they are watching him closely this
year}. Both quotes were pulled off the AP newswire.
Usually the "" marks indicate a quote from a direct source... Please save
this helpful hint for future reference.
|
| 8.2565 | | PMVAX::NORI | | Mon Nov 12 1990 16:19 | 8 |
|
>> Usually the "" marks indicate a quote from a direct source... Please
>> save this helpful hint for future reference.
Thanks for the hint. The standard pratice is to give the source also, if
you are refering to a direct quote. Hope you will remember this.
-- Ram Nori
|
| 8.2566 | Glad to see that after a few months off I haven't missed anything. | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Mon Nov 12 1990 16:32 | 0 |
| 8.2567 | He's ba-ack! | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Mon Nov 12 1990 16:37 | 3 |
| What a coincidence! That's what your bride said, Jeff! :-)
Hawk
|
| 8.2568 | | PMVAX::NORI | | Mon Nov 12 1990 16:46 | 6 |
| re: .2566
Couldn't you have taken few more YEARS off ? :-) We were doing fine
without you
-- Ram Nori
|
| 8.2569 | Don't understand why he couldn't go on you honeymoon!!!! :-) | 12354::J_HALPIN | YOU REMIND ME OF A SMALL MEXICAN CHIHUAHUA | Mon Nov 12 1990 16:54 | 8 |
|
Jeff,
Nexted time you take a few months off, could you take Ram
with you!!! :-)
JimH
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| 8.2570 | if lucky... | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Mon Nov 12 1990 18:01 | 4 |
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Lakers fans shouldn't worry... with all the playoff spots available,
they'll probably be able to get in around 7th or 8th seed...
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| 8.2571 | | FSOA::JRODOPOULOS | Hey Mon, How Many Jobs You Got Today ? | Tue Nov 13 1990 14:32 | 9 |
| Hey Ram, welcome back to NOTES. I see that you have built up quite a
bit of anger during the off-season and are responding to any
anti-Laker comments as if they were a personal attack. I have a
feeling that this is going to be a long season for the Lakers so ease
up a little.
BTW, good to see you back in the groove,
John "D Cowboys" R.
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| 8.2572 | | PMVAX::NORI | | Tue Nov 13 1990 17:17 | 15 |
| re: .2571
Well, come back John. I don't get angry at anti-Laker comments, remember
I am a Cowboy fan, I am used to all such things. You see Mr Ross is a
Worthy basher, if Worthy has one bad game, he will be the first one to say
Worthy is overrated, but would never say the same if Bird or McHale has a
bad game. I was just making a point that players can have bad nights.
re: Long season for Lakers
I don't worry too much about it. Weren't Pistons 10-13 at the begining
of the season last year ? Lakers have new players and a new coach, it
will take some time to get the right chemistry.
-- Ram Nori
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| 8.2573 | He's consistent ;^) | MPP6::MACNEAL | Mac's Back in Mass. | Tue Nov 13 1990 17:30 | 2 |
| Ram, don't forget that Doug will also say that Worthy is overrated even
after the good games.
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| 8.2574 | Bird & McHale can still burn the best of 'em. | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Tue Nov 13 1990 17:53 | 10 |
| If I remember correctly, I believe that GOOBER would rather not even
have Bird and McHale playing for the Celts this late in their careers.
In that respect, I'd say that's hardly praising them.......
Personally, if they're used correctly/effectively, they would be a big
benefit to the Celtics. Prime example was Havlicek his last several
years. Restrict the minutes and they're still effective come crunch
time.
Hawk
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| 8.2575 | | DECWET::CROUCH | Grand marshall of the dork parade | Tue Nov 13 1990 17:55 | 7 |
| re: .2571
You want to see Ram in fine form, look at note 36 in the Boston Celtics
conference.
Pete
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| 8.2576 | | REFINE::ASHE | Wrote a song 'bout it, here's how it goes | Tue Nov 13 1990 19:01 | 1 |
| Pistons were never 10-13 last year...
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| 8.2577 | Magic's so distraught he's attending Magenta Thompson's school | MPP6::CHILDS | Never, hear surf music again... | Tue Nov 13 1990 19:28 | 13 |
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right Walt should be flipped to 13-10 at one point, which is pretty moot
considering the final outcome. But the big difference here is that the
Lakers have a hole in the middle to fill and are not the defensive team
that they used to be. Offensively they have enough guns but without the
defensive clamp and the old legs they should be in a lot of trouble....
;^)
mike
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| 8.2578 | | UPWARD::HEISER | rock the hell out of you | Tue Nov 13 1990 19:30 | 6 |
| > Pistons were never 10-13 last year...
Yeah but they still had to go 30-1 over 2 months to get the best
record.
Mike
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| 8.2579 | | REFINE::ASHE | Wrote a song 'bout it, here's how it goes | Tue Nov 13 1990 19:38 | 1 |
| Nah.... just play the Suns a few times... (smileys go here...)
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| 8.2580 | you know what they say about paybacks ;-) | UPWARD::HEISER | rock the hell out of you | Tue Nov 13 1990 19:58 | 1 |
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| 8.2581 | | CBOPC3::ROSS | Bush: The Jimmy Carter of the 90's | Wed Nov 14 1990 11:15 | 18 |
| I read this in the Celtics notes conference...
Lakers lost AGAIN last night 112-111 with James Worthy missing the
FT that could have tied it {did score 36 however}.
The Lakers are heading down just like the Celts. Bet the farm that
Dunleavy's tenure at the helm will be no longer than Jimmy Rodgers' was
for the Celts.
Oh yeah, as for my supposed Celtics blindness, I've been calling for them
to trade Bird for a couple years. And they should have dealt Parish to
Seattle if the rumors were true. At least they got rid of DJ {about two
years too late for me}.
Worthy is only overrated when placed at the upper-echelon of the league,
with the Birds, Johnsons, Jordans, Ewings, Malones, etc. He is on the
next level below that group.
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| 8.2582 | | MPP6::MACNEAL | Mac's Back in Mass. | Wed Nov 14 1990 11:21 | 1 |
| Walt, how's rookie Blanks doing with the Pistons?
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| 8.2583 | I'm stikcing by the Nuggets... they will turn it around | CBOPC3::ROSS | I have a dream - ibid. | Wed Nov 14 1990 13:40 | 1 |
| Did Denver play Portland last night? What happened?
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| 8.2584 | Best Record in NBA | MTHOOD::JOYNERGL | The Portland Kid | Wed Nov 14 1990 13:53 | 7 |
| Yes, the Nuggets played at Portland last night. Portland won
155-129. Clyde Drexler had 39 points 12 assists and 11 rebs.
Cliff Robinson had 5 blocks.
Portland is now 6-0.
Glen.
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| 8.2585 | Typical Pistons deep bench! | WORDY::NAZZARO | Cannibals aren't picky eaters! | Wed Nov 14 1990 15:33 | 7 |
| Re. Blanks -
He's doing what the other three guys at the end of the PIstons bench
always do - sit! None of the quartet of Blanks, Bedford, Hastings,
and Rollins is averaging as much as five minutes per game!
NAZZ
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| 8.2586 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Wed Nov 14 1990 18:13 | 2 |
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Bird is close to leading the NBA in turnovers per game.
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| 8.2587 | | UPWARD::HEISER | rock the hell out of you | Wed Nov 14 1990 19:23 | 1 |
| close doesn't count in the NBA. Ask the Lakers!
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| 8.2588 | The Boeheim Free Throw Workout Tape available | CBOPC3::ROSS | I have a dream - ibid. | Thu Nov 15 1990 10:32 | 2 |
| Rony Seikaly scored 30 points and grabbed 21 rebounds last night in
Miami's win... but shot 12 for 26! from the free throw line.
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| 8.2589 | NBA practical jokes | SHALOT::MEDVID | try me on, I'm very you | Thu Nov 15 1990 12:53 | 17 |
| Did anyone catch the NBA practical jokes that TNT was showing last
night after the Celts/Hornets game? Most of it was pretty stupid, but
there was one segment where they had these players plugging a new
sports drink. They got them to say this alliterative promo line and
then take a gulp of this drink.
The ingredients were tomato juice, pineaple juice, cranberry juice, and
tobasco sauce.
The reactions were killer.
Another good one was Dennis Scott trapped in an elevator with one of
the player's pregnant wives. You guessed it. She pretended to go into
labor. Scott was scared as all getout. She asked him to sing so he
made up this rap tune about the whole incident. Classic.
--dan'l
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| 8.2590 | | REFINE::ASHE | Wrote a song 'bout it, here's how it goes | Thu Nov 15 1990 13:28 | 6 |
| Yeah, Blanks this year is last year's Gerald Henderson and the year
before's John Long or Fennis Dembo. He'll learn the system, he'll
be there if someone gets injured, but he'll do a lot of observing
for the time being...
-Walt
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| 8.2591 | | RIPPLE::LINSE_BR | | Thu Nov 15 1990 14:34 | 12 |
| Petrovic has told the trailblazer management that he wants to be
traded by the end of the month or he will go back home. He won't
be able to play for a Fiba team (they honor the NBA contracts) only
the Yugo national team. Management has said your crazy, there are
better players ahead of you and look at the money you are trowing
away, 1.3 million for this and next year each. The Blazers have
tried to move him, 89-90 7pts./game and no defense, but are probably
not happy with what they can get for him. His ego, not money may
not allow him to last the season as an insurance policy. Anyone
want a front row seat and a million a year?
-Brian
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| 8.2592 | Worthy busted! | CADSYS::CAVE | | Fri Nov 16 1990 00:49 | 9 |
| Hot off the press and Dan is going to love it!
Worthy busted during undercover sting operation (of call girls).
Full details later!
Alan
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| 8.2593 | Another dark day for the ACC | CBOPC3::ROSS | I have a dream - ibid. | Fri Nov 16 1990 09:06 | 13 |
| Worthy was arrested at 3:00 yesterday and charged with solicitation of
prostitution.
Worthy called an escort service that was a front for an undercover operation
by police and requested the two women meet him at his hotel.
When I first heard the story, I thought, "Can't be" because Worthy has
always appeared to be a model citizen off the court. The fact that Worthy
offered no denials {at least in the accounts I read} would lead me to
believe it's true.
There IS no truth to the rumor that Magic Johnson was in the room giving
James an assist, as usual. :-)
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| 8.2594 | This will be a long year for the Lakers | CBOPC3::ROSS | I have a dream - ibid. | Fri Nov 16 1990 09:08 | 2 |
| Oh yeah, I guess James ordered two "escorts" just to prove that he's
not one-dimensional.
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| 8.2595 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Docker...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Fri Nov 16 1990 11:02 | 5 |
| Come on now Doug. It's quite possible James mistook the "escort"
add and was just looking for someone to give him a ride to the game.
Right Dan?
/Don
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| 8.2596 | | CAM::WAY | HWRFC Clydesdale | Fri Nov 16 1990 11:04 | 8 |
| Heard about this on the radio this morning.
Smith and Barber, the morning team on WPLR had me peeing my pants
with their schtick about it....
Guess James enjoys playing off the double team...
'Saw
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| 8.2597 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Fri Nov 16 1990 11:15 | 6 |
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I thought the two chances to score one was taken out of the league a
long time ago.
Dickster
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| 8.2598 | and Jake is tough competition too | MPP6::CHILDS | You talking to me? | Fri Nov 16 1990 11:26 | 7 |
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Dickster if you ain't NOTY of the year you're certainly Comedian of the Year
;^) seriously floorward on the last one....
mike
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| 8.2599 | Won't it be great if they have it on videotape! | CBOPC3::ROSS | Waiting for 'American Psycho' | Fri Nov 16 1990 11:32 | 3 |
| Can anyone confirm whether Worthy is married and has kids? If he is, then
just wait til he gets home! Gonna be tough running the fast break with a
high heeled shoe stuck up his butt.
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| 8.2600 | Say it ain't so Jimbo! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Nov 16 1990 11:36 | 7 |
| Yes he's married. Yes he does have a kid. (Under 1 year old I
believe.)
:^(
- ACC Chris
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| 8.2601 | | SALEM::DODA | Milli Vanilli=2 fat bald guys? Could be... | Fri Nov 16 1990 11:37 | 1 |
| He should run for congress from MA....
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| 8.2602 | | CAM::WAY | HWRFC Clydesdale | Fri Nov 16 1990 11:44 | 20 |
| Questions that come to mind.....
o What would Dan say that Rev. Smif' would say about all
this.
o Could this be what James thinks "Doubling Down" is...
o Is /Don going to market the video?
Geez, first we find out that Milli Vanilli is going to lose their
Grammy because they really weren't singing the songs (in fact, I
heard that Milli Vanilli was really Pete Townsend and Roger Daltry
in disguise) and now we find out that the upstanding former Tar Heel
James "Is he still" Worthy was being a baaaaaaad boy....
What next?
'Saw
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| 8.2603 | re: .2601 | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Fri Nov 16 1990 11:45 | 10 |
| Mikey, I agree with Dickster for NOTY comedian for this year, but you
gotta give Darryl the NOTY p_name of the year, and again, JaKe's a
close 2nd...... :-)
That p_name, Darryl, tops the Opra one. BTW, I got my kids saying,"The
moon, my butt, which is bigger? Next, on Opra!" Drives my wife nuts!
Too funny!
Hawk
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| 8.2604 | Probably her butt, let's ask James... | SALEM::DODA | Milli Vanilli=2 fat bald guys? Could be... | Fri Nov 16 1990 11:55 | 11 |
| Hawk,
Was home doing some project a couple of weeks ago and had her
hugeness on the tube in the background.
Gawd, she gained it all back and more.
Almost brought "The moon, my butt" back, but there's that
unwritten rule about reusing p-names.
daryll
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| 8.2605 | | MPP6::MACNEAL | Mac's Back in Mass. | Fri Nov 16 1990 12:06 | 16 |
| The Houston Police Department busted this escort service awhile back
and set up some of their own people to answer the phones. James was
sitting in his hotel room apparently looking to kill some time before
the game and found the escort service's phone number in the yellow
pages. HPD sent out 2 undercover cops posing as members of the
service. James offered them money for extra services and they busted
him.
The chief of HPD said that they treated James well - "just like any
other dignitary or celebrity" (wonder how they would have treated him
if he was just a regular Joe - or is that John). He was kept separated
from the rest of the regular prisoners until he posted bail and was
released. James took the court a little ways into the 2nd quarter to a
standing ovation from the Houston fans - which was soon followed by
hoots of laughter. James proceeded to lead the Lakers in scoring with
24 points. The Lakers beat the Rockets 105-102 in OT.
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| 8.2606 | Read it in the Midnight Star | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Worthy scores two on the layup | Fri Nov 16 1990 12:44 | 7 |
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The two call girls were actually Milli Vanilli, now unemployed and
working undercover for the Houston police Dept. The second girl was
for Rob Lowe.
Dickster
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| 8.2607 | | UPWARD::HEISER | that sounds like noise Mr. Heiser! | Fri Nov 16 1990 12:45 | 3 |
| It could've been Pete Townsend too, judging by his quotes of late.
Mike
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| 8.2608 | | 12354::J_HALPIN | YOU REMIND ME OF A SMALL MEXICAN CHIHUAHUA | Fri Nov 16 1990 12:49 | 10 |
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Worthy/Laker fans should look on the bright side of this. At least
now we know:
James Worthy is no Dave Stewart!!! :-):-):-)
JimH
P.S. Will Worthy start doing prophylactic endorsements????
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| 8.2609 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Worthy scores two on the layup | Fri Nov 16 1990 13:12 | 9 |
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But seriously, folks, if the escort service had been busted and shut
down previously by the police, I think it's pretty sleazy for Houston's
Finest to maintain the facade of the service, and the telephone number
of said service, in order to entrap a few horny folks. Don't they have
anything better to do?
Dickster
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| 8.2610 | Apologies to Letterman | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | School dat rookie | Fri Nov 16 1990 13:14 | 21 |
| With apologies to Letterman:
TOP TEN REASON FOR WORTHY'S ACTIONS
10. Was trying to get up for the game.
9. Thought an Escort Service was a budget rental car outfit.
8. Wanted to eat something, but hates hotel food, so he ordered
out.
7. Wanted to practice the pick and roll.
6. Needed help pumping up his Reebok
5. Saw an add for Call Girl - so he did.
4. Wanted to practice the full court press.
3. Wanted to take a couple of shots he knew he could make.
2. Always had a thing for female chauffeurs in spandex.
and the number one reason:
1. Needed someone to carry his balls to the car.
JD
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| 8.2611 | | CAM::WAY | LanceRentzel,JoePepitone,JamesWorth | Fri Nov 16 1990 13:14 | 15 |
| James needed to kill some time before the game....
I must live the wrong kind of lifestyle. When I'm travelling,
which is rare these days, I usually bring a good book, and read.
Or, if the hotel has a spa or pool, I'll head on down there,
and have a good time. Better yet, if it has a weight room
I'll work out a little....
If I REALLY have to kill time, I watch CNN on TV....
I guess DEC doesn't pay me enough. I mean, if they payed me
more, I could order my own escort. If they payed me what
I'm worth(y) then like James I could order TWO escorts...
'Saw
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| 8.2612 | Damn, gotta get this keyboard fixed, threw a "S" again!! | CAM::WAY | LanceRentzel,JoePepitone,JamesWorthy | Fri Nov 16 1990 13:20 | 25 |
| 8.2613 | James - Learn when to say when.. | REFINE::ASHE | B-b-b-baby, don't forget my lipsync | Fri Nov 16 1990 14:43 | 7 |
| You guys are brutal....
I love it....
-Walt
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| 8.2614 | | FSOA::JRODOPOULOS | Hey Mon, How Many Jobs You Got Today ? | Fri Nov 16 1990 15:00 | 5 |
| Hey Ram, where are you, someone is beating up on Werly (tm). I guess
his ball-handling needed some help. I wonder if he thought "Showtime"
when he heard the knock on the door.
John "D Cowboys" R.
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| 8.2615 | The world's oldest profession. Not really a shock | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Been there. Done that. | Fri Nov 16 1990 17:03 | 11 |
| Not much more to say, is there. I'm not shaken by events, because I
never claimed to know Worthy personally, or made any claims about him,
other than on the court. And I think there's a certain style in
ordering up two girls instead of just one. I also imagine that it
wasn't just the first time for these activities, nor that Worthy is the
only professional athlete to use these services.
But, I'd guess his wife will put a stop to it, and that may mean
fresher legs on the road for us Laker fans.
Dan
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| 8.2616 | Wonder when Worthy will wail with Baba Wawa | CBOPC3::ROSS | Waiting for 'American Psycho' | Fri Nov 16 1990 17:13 | 2 |
| So, Dan, James Worthy/Dynamic Duo is much like Wade Boggs/Margo Adams, right?
Much ado about nothing.
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| 8.2617 | This is for dAn! | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | School dat rookie | Fri Nov 16 1990 17:30 | 16 |
| From USA Today (W/O Permission, of course)
Top 10 resons why attending Nets games in the Meadowlands is superior to any
other NBA home games:
10. No assigned seats.
9. All fans receive a cup of Gatorade and a towel during timeouts.
8. You may park in the paint.
7. Should you last the full game, you get your parking ticket validated.
6. Your kids can do homework someplace quiet.
5. You may request music videos on the replay screen.
4. You may rent souvenirs.
3. You get to spend the slow moments, when the action subsides, pondering
who the Nets will take in next June's lottery. From your section.
2. Five lucky fans get to play the winners.
1. The bathrooms are NEVER out of paper towels.
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| 8.2618 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Mon Nov 19 1990 19:40 | 3 |
| Hey, wait a minute Dan! Weren't you in Houston at the time of this incident?
Did anyone see any reports that one of the girls was bearded and looked a bit
like Jeff Reardon?
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| 8.2619 | Life is good ;^) | MPP6::MACNEAL | Life's 2 short 2 drink cheap beer | Thu Dec 13 1990 11:31 | 2 |
| Boston stomped Milwaukee in the Gahden last night, and the Lakers lost
to Dallas in OT.
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| 8.2620 | | SASE::SZABO | The Beer Hunter | Thu Dec 13 1990 11:47 | 3 |
| Did the Lakers lose in the Fabulous CBS Forum, or at South Fork :-) ?
Hawk
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| 8.2621 | LA drops one at the Forum | DPDMAI::ANSCHUTZ | | Thu Dec 13 1990 11:50 | 4 |
| The Lakers lost at home. Just what Dallas needed to stop the 5 game
losing streak.
John
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