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Conference stkhlm::magtape

Title:MAGNETIC TAPEDRIVES
Moderator:STKHLM::GJOHNSSON
Created:Mon Sep 21 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3775
Total number of notes:13147

3709.0. "WINDOWS NT BACKUP PERFORMANCE" by WARFUT::MELLING () Tue Apr 01 1997 18:48

    
    	Hello,
    
    	I have a customer who has a beleif that their backup strategy
    	should run somewhat faster than it tends to.
    
    	They are backing up raid sets connected to an EISA based SWXCR
    	on an ALPHA 2100 pedestal system to a TZ88 connected to the
    	internal SCSI bus.
    	To backup 1 gb takes approx 40 mins with no users on the system.
    	The customer has tried WINDOWS NT BACKUP and BACKUP EXEC and 
    	obtains similar figures
    
    	Is this considered to be reasonable performance
    
    
    regards
    tony melling
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3709.1DECWET::KOWALSKITime's not for savingTue Apr 01 1997 22:1215
Throwing out the first pitch, hopefully not a 
wild one, my guess the software is the bottleneck
and the performance is unreasonable.

They're achieving .42 MB/s throughput from disk to tape.
EISA bus on a 2000 is rated 33MB/s maximum.  The TX88
is rated 2.5 MB/s maximum.  Assuming there are no issues
with getting the data off disk and into the I/O stream,
a 2100 should be able to make a TZ88 stream at full
speed.  The only other issue I could see would be
contention on the internal SCSI bus between I/O to the
tape and system activities such as paging.  They could
move the drive to a separate SCSI controller to see
if that helps.  If it doesn't, the software would seem
to be the likely suspect.
3709.2DECWET::KOWALSKITime's not for savingTue Apr 01 1997 22:144
Remember, Seagate delivers PC backup software,
not enterprise level software. :^)  Microsoft
doesn't use NT backup internally for its 
enterprise systems.  They use NetWorker.
3709.3WARFUT::MELLINGWed Apr 02 1997 03:4416
    
    	I notice from note 6238.1 on the ask_ssag conference a note
    	was posted relating to a throughput of 0.46Mb per second to
    	a TZ875 on BACKUP EXEC.
    	The tape unit is on the same bus as the boot disk,during backup
    	there seemed to be no activity to the boot disk.At the time of
    	backup there were no users on the system
    
    	Perhaps this is the default throughput rate for NT BACKUP and
    	BACKUP EXEC.
    	I would have thought there may be some spec figures as this is 
    	likely to be a frequently visited topic.
    
    
    regards
    tony
3709.4We do a little betterKEIKI::WHITEWed Apr 02 1997 09:457
    
    	AS2000 4/233 TZ87 on private KZPAA disks on Internal NCRC810
    and KZPAA using Striping with parity on three disk RAID set.
    
    	We backed up 3 gigabytes in 40 minutes using NT 3.51.
    
    						Bill
3709.5DECWET::KOWALSKITime's not for savingWed Apr 02 1997 21:578
So, is the paging file on the boot disk?  Is the boot disk
at a higher priority SCSI id than the tape?  Since .4 got
3x better performance, there must be some fixable 
block hanging around.  It's not time yet to say, "ya
gets what ya pays for".

You might want to revisit the assumption that getting the
data from its storage to memory is not limiting.
3709.6WARFUT::MELLINGThu Apr 03 1997 04:5224
    
    	Hello,
    
        Thanks to .4 for the input indicating that the tape unit
    	should be capable of performing to spec of 1.25 Mb /sec.
    	
    	I have not yet been back to the customer's site,today I 
    	built an NT V3.51 system onto an AS2100 and checked out
    	throughput from a partition on the boot disk and also 
    	from a JBOD on an EISA based SWXCR.
    	The figures for 84Mb backup and verify were approx 1 Mb/sec
    	to a TZ87 using NT BACKUP.
    	
    	I intend to put service pack 4 on tomorrow along with a
    	TZ88 to see how it performs.
    	The data is a copy of two directories from the NT release cd
    	and hopefully I should then be able to reproduce the test 
    	at the customer site.
    
    
    regards
    tony
    	
	
3709.7WARFUT::MELLINGSat Apr 12 1997 01:0712
    
    I have re run the tests now on the customer system and get similar
    results to that which the customer gets for normal operation.
    The verify though seems to take a lot longer than backup,something
    in the order of 3 x backup time
    
    I have run the test on a TLZ07 and this allows backup and verify 
    at approx 0.36 Mb /sec and both operations take the same length of
    time
    
    
    tony melling