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Title:Hockey on ice...
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570.0. "St Louis Blues (1996-1997)" by STKHLM::AHLGREN (http://www.soo.dec.com/~ahlgren/home.html) Thu Jul 18 1996 17:21

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570.1Wouldn't everyone be happy. KOOLIT::R_PLOURDEThu Sep 26 1996 18:1914
570.2Lots of NHL teams would be pissed at PhoenixKAOFS::WATTERSThu Sep 26 1996 19:028
570.3totally ridiculous...OTOOA::MAJORThu Sep 26 1996 19:284
570.4KOOLIT::R_PLOURDEThu Sep 26 1996 19:4724
570.5OTOOA::MAJORThu Sep 26 1996 19:499
570.6KOOLIT::R_PLOURDEThu Sep 26 1996 20:3030
570.7let me try this angleKAOFS::WATTERSThu Sep 26 1996 20:4112
570.8OTOOA::MAJORThu Sep 26 1996 20:4513
570.9gee what a grape vine this is. KOOLIT::R_PLOURDEThu Sep 26 1996 21:1021
570.10Oops!!! You got me Ron!!:*))OTOOA::MAJORThu Sep 26 1996 21:245
570.11Ain't gonna happenFABSIX::T_BEAULIEULike A steam LocomotiveFri Sep 27 1996 21:2515
570.122 good 2 B truePATE::NEFFI'd rather be Lucky than good ANY dayFri Sep 27 1996 23:3410
570.13hey who's side R U ONKOOLIT::R_PLOURDEMon Sep 30 1996 18:3622
570.14<<< STKHLM::DISK$GIANTS:[NOTES$LIBRARY]HOCKEY.NOTE;1 >>> -< Hockey on ice... >- ================================================================================ Note 570.13 St Louis Blues (1996-1997)PATE::NEFFI'd rather be Lucky than good ANY dayMon Sep 30 1996 22:0517
570.15Hockey has started at lastSTOSS1::HUGHESDSat Oct 19 1996 01:486
570.16The Bear was da man!:-(STOSS1::HUGHESDThu Oct 31 1996 19:0115
570.17more trade analysisCTHU26::S_BURRIDGEFri Nov 01 1996 19:5782
570.18...and Mike Keenan's a nice guy...yea, that's the ticket...STOSS1::HUGHESDFri Nov 01 1996 21:3211
570.19KAOFS::WATTERSFri Nov 01 1996 21:595
570.20OTOOA::MAJORFri Nov 01 1996 22:129
570.21FSCORE::B_LEURYFri Nov 01 1996 22:3711
570.22Correy or Corey????KAOFS::WATTERSMon Nov 04 1996 17:3212
570.23Where are the fans?CHGV04::JANESLester Janes DTN 474-5373Tue Nov 05 1996 19:5711
570.24conflicting reports on attendance.OTOOA::MAJORTue Nov 05 1996 20:2811
570.25half full or half emoty?FSCORE::B_LEURYWed Nov 06 1996 00:3615
570.26thee is much more to it.STOSS1::HUGHESDWed Nov 06 1996 01:0121
570.27A change in sports coming???STOSS1::HUGHESDSun Nov 17 1996 20:25113
570.28this is the first I hear of thisFSCORE::B_LEURYMon Nov 18 1996 18:5120
570.29CTHU26::S_BURRIDGEMon Nov 18 1996 19:317
570.30The NHL needs to open its eyesSTOSS1::HUGHESDTue Nov 19 1996 02:4016
570.31OTOOA::MAJORTue Nov 19 1996 16:589
570.32Wrong answerSTOSS1::HUGHESDTue Nov 19 1996 19:319
570.33OTOOA::MAJORTue Nov 19 1996 19:408
570.34FSCORE::B_LEURYTue Nov 19 1996 19:553
570.35Get with the program Bernie ;-)DIVER1::MACHADOCrazy on a ship of foolsTue Nov 19 1996 21:507
570.36gotta get into the mentalityFSCORE::B_LEURYWed Nov 20 1996 00:541
570.37I guess he get his frustration out at workSTOSS1::HUGHESDWed Nov 20 1996 03:3515
570.38I took 2 whole months thoughSTOSS1::HUGHESDTue Dec 03 1996 02:226
570.392 months is a long time to get in Keenan's dog houseCHGV04::JANESLester Janes DTN 474-5373Tue Dec 03 1996 21:0111
570.40CHGV04::JANESLester Janes DTN 474-5373Mon Dec 16 1996 20:0111
570.41Happy F^*&%@ holidaysSTOSS1::HUGHESDMon Dec 16 1996 21:3527
570.42expect Andy to become a Blues fan now :-)STOSS1::HUGHESDThu Dec 19 1996 21:2723
570.43You've gotta be kidding right! :*)))KAOFS::WATTERSThu Dec 19 1996 22:4214
570.44Le Club de Hockey Les Blues de St.LouisOTOOA::MAJORThu Dec 19 1996 23:158
570.45Psycho Keenan is out!! Ding Dong the witch is dead!CHGV04::JANESLester Janes DTN 474-5373Thu Dec 19 1996 23:429
570.46FSCORE::PAVEZKAHull BoundThu Dec 19 1996 23:4412
570.47What a great day :-)))))))))STOSS1::HUGHESDFri Dec 20 1996 00:495
570.48tounge in cheekFABSIX::T_BEAULIEULike A steam LocomotiveFri Dec 20 1996 01:3911
570.49That Dave....he's a liar!!! :*)KAOFS::WATTERSFri Dec 20 1996 18:0813
570.50OTOOA::MAJORFri Dec 20 1996 18:306
570.51BTW, I did say rumor...STOSS1::HUGHESDFri Dec 20 1996 20:026
570.52one thing's fer sure there won't be as many transactions in Worc. nowFABSIX::T_BEAULIEULike A steam LocomotiveFri Dec 20 1996 20:589
570.53Cleaning up the damage while paying the damagerRTOMS1::SHERMANSThe former MUNDIS::SSHERMANFri Dec 20 1996 21:285
570.54Say it ain't so.... ;*)KAOFS::WATTERSFri Dec 20 1996 23:1110
570.55I've been whistling all daySTOSS1::HUGHESDSat Dec 21 1996 03:4216
570.56incompetant men getting rich.OTOOA::MAJORMon Dec 23 1996 03:5023
570.57Egos blew it againSTOSS1::HUGHESDMon Dec 23 1996 08:4126
570.58He couldn't wipe that smile off his face afterwardSTOSS1::HUGHESDMon Dec 23 1996 08:556
570.59I'm glad, I want a younger coachSTOSS1::HUGHESDMon Dec 30 1996 19:1115
570.60for Caron, it was payback time...OTOOA::MAJORMon Dec 30 1996 19:2123
570.61Blues will not succeed while Caron is thereFSCORE::B_LEURYMon Dec 30 1996 20:008
570.62Different perspective????STOSS1::HUGHESDMon Dec 30 1996 20:1617
570.63FSCORE::B_LEURYTue Dec 31 1996 22:146
570.64Remember, the Blues aren't always entertaining on the ice :-(STOSS1::HUGHESDWed Jan 01 1997 00:0910
570.65OTOOA::MAJORMon Jan 06 1997 16:555
570.66I expect Andy into the Blues fold any minute now :-)STOSS1::HUGHESDMon Jan 06 1997 21:177
570.67We'll see.....KAOFS::WATTERSMon Jan 06 1997 21:5811
570.68Have fun while it lastsSTOSS1::HUGHESDMon Jan 06 1997 22:0913
570.69Did you make it?GOBUCS::COOLEYMegan and Michelle's DaddyWed Jan 29 1997 20:467
    So Dave,
    
    Did you ever make it to the Anaheim game the other night?  I guess
    Tony Twist should've left his shirt on and gone after Teemu Selanne
    instead?
    
    Warren
570.70missed it by that muchTIMAST::HUGHESWed Jan 29 1997 21:2613
    Warren,
    
    I did make it to the game but I missed the fight. I had to take my
    daughter and made a trip to the concession stand for something to
    drink. I heard the crowd roar, looked up at the TV screen at the
    consession stand, and saw Twist with his shirt off. Then he got a
    misconduct. What happened??? I didn't get the chance to read the paper
    yesterday.
    
    The Blues played well but got screwed on another goal crease call that
    had nothing to do with the goal.  
    
    Dave
570.71Bad RulesGOBUCS::COOLEYMegan and Michelle's DaddyWed Jan 29 1997 22:0110
    I just saw Twist on the sportscenter highlight - you get a misconduct
    this year if you let your shirt get pulled off - Seriously - It's an
    actual rule.  I didn't see what set Twist off, though.
    
    And these goals disallowed because of the in-the-goal-crease are really
    terrible.  So much of ref's job is a pure judgement call anyway - why
    can't this be another one?  Did the player in the crease bother the
    goalie at all?  If not, let it stand.
    
    Warren
570.72Taking incompetance into considerationTIMAST::HUGHESWed Jan 29 1997 23:4113
    > And these goals disallowed because of the in-the-goal-crease are really
    > terrible.  So much of ref's job is a pure judgement call anyway - why
    > can't this be another one?  Did the player in the crease bother the
    > goalie at all?  If not, let it stand.
    
    Warren, I think you answered your own question. 
    
    I guess the people in the NHL who make up the "rule of the month"
    realize the current refs aren't competent enough to make subjective
    calls on the current rules, why tax their little brains anymore than
    they have to. Especially when the rule of the month is so short lived.
    
    Dave 
570.73It'll be gone by next yearKAOFS::WATTERSThu Jan 30 1997 00:455
    Don't be surprised if the NHLPA walks in and tries to overturn the
    stupid rule. Not because it's stupid but more because it may hurt
    a player's chance at a scoring bonus. :*)
    
    Andy
570.74We'll miss MacinninsTIMAST::HUGHESThu Feb 06 1997 21:048
    The Blues were dealt a major blow in Detroit this week when Al
    Macinnis seperated his shoulder. He'll be out 4 to 6 weeks. This is
    probably bad new but, I think it might be better in the long run that
    Macinnis gets a nice rest before the playoffs. As long as he heals OK.
    The Blues will make the playoffs and as long as they don't play
    Colorado in the 1st round, they should be fine.
    
    Dave
570.75The Ice cats miss himFABSIX::T_BEAULIEULike A steam LocomotiveThu Feb 06 1997 23:139
	Hey Dave,

	What do you think of Jamie Rivers?  (Callup from Woostah)
	i think this kid has alot of potential very good offensive
	skills and a pretty good defensively as well. Has he been getting
	much ice-time?

	Toby  
570.76His ice time should pick up starting tonightTIMAST::HUGHESFri Feb 07 1997 00:3624
	> What do you think of Jamie Rivers?  (Callup from Woostah)
	> i think this kid has alot of potential very good offensive
	> skills and a pretty good defensively as well. Has he been getting
	> much ice-time?
    
    He looks like a pretty decent player to me. He needs to be a bit more
    physical. Defensmen take so long to develop it's hard to say what the 
    future will bring. He has been playing quite a bit since Quennville
    came on board and I'm sure his ice time will really pick up now that
    Macinnis is hurt. Mac plays 30+ minutes a game
    
    An interesting thing happened to Rivers in a game last week. I think it
    was against Vancouver and the Blues had a lead in the 3rd period.
    Rivers had a terrible give away in the Blues zone and the Canucks scored
    the tying goal. The Canucks scored another goal a few minutes later and
    the game seemed doomed. 
    
    Had Keenan been the coach, Rivers would have sat the rest of the game
    and then driven to the airport for the 1st flight out to Worchester after
    the game. But Quennville put him right back in and he scored the game
    tying goal (his 1st in the NHL). Hull went on to score the winner. It was
    really nice to see for a change.
    
    Dave
570.77FWIWKAOFS::WATTERSFri Feb 07 1997 00:516
    Rivers was a star Jr player (especially w/ Team Canada Jr) and also
    played in the AHL all-star game 2-3 weeks ago. He's got a very hard
    shot.
    
    
    Andy
570.78I won't tell my wife what yo said about Rivers :-)))TIMAST::HUGHESFri Feb 07 1997 08:3811
    >                               -< FWIW >-
    >
    Oh Andy, we all know what your scouting reports are worth.
    
    Brendan Witt: Career
    Games    G    A   Pts   Pim   +/-
    66       4    3    7    119   -15
    
    Need I say more :-)))
    
    Dave 
570.79My day is made!!:*))OTOOA::MAJORFri Feb 07 1997 17:1410
    re -1:
    
    	Thanks Dave..I needed that reply today!!!:*))
    
    BTW, along w/ Witt and Rivers, Andy's all-time top goalie prospect
    is/was Jamie Storr...Anybody know for which...IHL team this guys plays
    for?!?!:*))
    
    Ray.
    
570.80FWIW; the Isles may be my next 'favorite' team. :*)KAOFS::WATTERSFri Feb 07 1997 19:426
    Oh! But Dave, I also predicted that Mario would be a star too. :*)
    
    You know what the problem w/ you guys is? You have to long a memory. 
    
    
    Andy
570.81A ruling for the Blues could set a dangerous precedentTIMAST::HUGHESMon Feb 10 1997 20:2115
    Gary Bettman will arbitrate the dispute between the Blues and Mike
    Keenan. Apparently, the Blues (which have to abide by the NHL bylaws
    that state the the NHL will arbitrate contract disputes) were perfectly
    content to let Keenan take it to civil court. Until Keenan found out he
    couldn't sue outside of St. Louis. I guess he figures to have a better
    chance with Bettman.
    
    Apparently, the Blues offered Keenan 2 choices for dismissal. 
    1) Resign and collect $2 million and give up the last 3 years of his
    contract.
    2) Be fired and get nothing.
    
    Should be interesting to see what Bettman comes up with.
    
    Dave
570.82OTOOA::MAJORMon Feb 10 1997 20:3010
    Dave,
    
    	The reason Keenan chose to go the " Bettman " route is because had
    he taken the NHL to court, he could have kissed his NHL coaching/GM
    career goodbuy...This way, he (at least) leaves the door a little open
    for himself...Apparently, a lot of coaches are very concerned about
    this, and they are siding w/ Keenan...must be a "union" thing.
    
    Ray.
     
570.83Boo GreAtzky??? NeverTIMAST::HUGHESThu Feb 13 1997 19:4512
    Well, being the hopeless romantic that I am, I'm taking my wife to see
    the Rangers tonight for her birthday. Of course, her being pregnant and
    me having ZERO chance of getting any, I'll be sucking down some
    Budweisers I'm sure. Happy birthday/Valentines day :-).
    
    This is the 1st and only time Wayne GreAtzky will be in town after
    snubbing Mike Keenan and the St. Louis fans for Messier and NY city. I
    will be interesting to see how the fans react. I would be very
    embarassed if the fans booed GreAtzky. Especially since it was the
    hated Mike Keenan that forced him out of town. 
    
    Dave
570.84BoooooooooooooooooooooooGOBUCS::COOLEYMegan and Michelle's DaddyThu Feb 13 1997 21:297
    I'd boo him - he left because he didn't think STL would ever get a shot
    at the cup (and Money was probably a factor too.)   If you're more of
    a hockey fan than a STL fan, then maybe you don't boo him.  But, I
    think he snubbed the city big-time.  If he wanted, he could have
    pressured mgmt to dump Keenan, like Hull did.
    
    Warren
570.85Keenan is the root of ALL evil!!!TIMAST::HUGHESThu Feb 13 1997 21:514
    He did leave for a chance at the cup, I have no doubt about that. But
    he took less money in NY than STL offered him. It's all Keenan's fault.
    
    Dave
570.86The GreAtzky defenderKAOFS::WATTERSThu Feb 13 1997 22:125
    Dave,
    	Don't listen to WArren today. He's still pissed that the Isles
    demolished his Pens last night (or was it the night before) :*).
    
    Andy
570.87Wanna see my Rangez!DELNI::GILBERTThu Feb 13 1997 23:233
    Is the game on tv?
    
    -Mike
570.88At least Boo Messier, DaveGOBUCS::COOLEYMegan and Michelle's DaddyFri Feb 14 1997 00:119
    What Islanders Game?  Me and the Pens are looking ahead towards the weekend
    series with Philly...  
    I'd boo Gretzky even if the Pens won last night (Had they played).
    
    I checked the ESPN/ESPN2 schedule - no hockey tonight - it looks like
    college BasketBall has taken over for the next month :-(  Nothing like
    watching Tulsa and UTEP...  I guess I was getting spoiled.
    
    Warren
570.89I hate basketball too...WBC::DEADYI like this resonance, it elevates me. BjorkFri Feb 14 1997 02:1811
    re. -1 Warren, and no hockey
    
    Hey Warren,
    
    	I've got a tape of the Caps beating the Pens in a couple of playoff
    games, wanna borrow it when you need a hockey fix ;)
    
    
    cheers,
    
    	fred
570.90booing GreAtzky, wow!!!TIMAST::HUGHESSat Feb 15 1997 00:2511
    Great game last night as the Blues beat the Rangers and god (according
    to ESPN---Mr Potato head) and GreAtzky last night 4-1. The stats say
    the GreAtzky was a minus 1 but he was also on for a shorthanded goal
    and really didn't play well at all. 
    
    The fans booed him everytime he touched the puck and the banners rode
    him hard. 
    
    Really good game though.
    
    Dave
570.91 But he wont win because he doesn't play in NYTIMAST::HUGHESMon Feb 17 1997 20:3817
It's time for me to turn into PR man and start hyping Blues rookie Jim
Cambell for rookie of the year award.

He's tied for the lead in the rookie scoring race 20g 19a, (He leads in goals 
scored)                      

The guy has 6 game winning goals and 1 game tying goal. The leader in the 
league is Shanahan with 7 GWG and 2 GTG and the list of players with 6 and 7 
game winners reads like an all star team, Karya, Mr Potato Head, Shanahan, 
Jagr, Madano, Sundin, Gardner, Shepard and Roenick

He plays hard and hits. He's good with the puck (needs some work without it
like every rookie) and most of all, he plays like a veteran.

His only competition is that bozo from Pitt LaLame or something like that :-)))

Dave
570.92Gonna be a tight race indeedKAOFS::WATTERSMon Feb 17 1997 20:427
    >> His only competition is that bozo from Pitt LaLame or something like
    >>that :-))
    
    	Don't have any stats handy but, 2 'kids' (as opposed to Lalime and
    Campbell) that are doing VERY well are Bryan Berard and Jarome Iginla.
    
    Andy
570.93The Lalime remark was meant for WarrenTIMAST::HUGHESMon Feb 17 1997 20:5310
    >	Don't have any stats handy but, 2 'kids' (as opposed to Lalime and
    >Campbell) that are doing VERY well are Bryan Berard and Jarome Iginla.
    
    Cambell is tied with Iginla with 39 points. Berard is not too far
    behind. All 3 players stats are quite similar (pts, +/-, ...) the one
    that stands out is game winning goals. Of course, game winning goals is
    one of those stats that means your a little lucky. But I was impressed
    to see his names up there with the ones I mentioned. 
    
    Dave
570.94It's Lalime's race to loseGOBUCS::COOLEYMegan and Michelle's DaddyMon Feb 17 1997 20:587
    Well - Patrick's down to 18-5-2 and out of the top GAA leaders.  But he's
    clearly the class of the rookie goalies.  Campbell, however, doesn't
    stand out too much among non-goalies.  So, unless Lalime has a big swoon,
    I'd say he's a lock based on the best start EVER by a goalie. (Of course
    he's lost 3 in a row, but the whole team sucks at the moment).
    
    Warren
570.95Andy Daniel Goneau was in Binghampton last time I looked (what's up with dat)FABSIX::T_BEAULIEULike A steam LocomotiveSat Feb 22 1997 01:149
	My vote is for Campbell (Westboro Native)

	Nothing against Lalime but...

	I could've had 10 wins for Pittsburgh the
	way they were on fire during his streak.
	
	Toby
570.96Sinden screwed up anyways. Will do same w/ Mann ;*)KAOFS::WATTERSSat Feb 22 1997 01:1712
    -< Andy Daniel Goneau was in Binghampton last time I looked (what's >-
    
    Gee, didn't think you were checking. :*)))
    
    Actually, Goneau got sent down after the New Year so that the Rangers 
    could give Dube a good look. AFter 4-5 weeks they decided to send him
    back down to Jr to play in the Memorial Cup. Now that Dube's is gone,
    I wonder if Goneau came back up. Pls note that he was a 4th liner and
    was up there (at the time) w/ the rookie goal scoring leaders (Iginla,
    Campbell, Harry ?stl?)
    
    Andy
570.97He may be back up by nowFABSIX::T_BEAULIEULike A steam LocomotiveSat Feb 22 1997 01:268
    
    >>didn't think you were checking.
    
    just want to have *some* credibility if I say you're right  8-)
    
    yer right Harry will screw up Mann (looks like a player to me)
    
    Toby
570.98But defensemen never winRTOMS::SHERMANSThe former MUNDIS::SSHERMANMon Feb 24 1997 16:157
FWIW, I've been very impressed with Bryan Berard when I've seen the Isles.
And yes, Sens fans, I've been impressed with Wade Reddin, too, but I think
Berard is more advanced at this stage.

He'd get my vote.

Steve
570.99Its in the mail...CHGV04::JANESLester Janes DTN 474-5373Tue Mar 25 1997 03:2114
    Dave,
    
    It looks like Hawks and Blues will be battling for that all important
    early tee-off time this summer. I will be embarrased if the Hawks make
    the playoffs with a sub .500 record. No one under .500 should be
    allowed in the playoffs. But that would pare the playoff teams down to
    about 8 and that's not what parity if about. (read with cynicism)
    
    Anyway, look in an interoffice mailbox near you for a present from your
    2nd favorite team, the Hawks. Its not much really, but thought you may
    enjoy reading it.
    
    Take care,
    Les
570.100discusting!!!TIMAST::HUGHESTue Mar 25 1997 04:0316
    Les,
    
    I went down to see the Blues/Stars game  Sunday and the Blues just
    looked pathetic. Walking to the game in the spring is an uplifting
    thing because I know it's playoff time. Then to see that display was
    very disheartening. 
    
    It seems that the team (between the Hawks and the Blues) that plays the
    most road games will clinch a playoff spot.  I have never seen a more
    pathetic team in their own building. They don't hit, they don't skate
    they don't do sh!t!!!! Brett Hull played the worse game of his career.
    
    If the Blues do make the playoffs, I sure they won't advance past the
    1st round. If you can't win at home...
    
    Dave
570.101Sad parallelsCHGV04::JANESLester Janes DTN 474-5373Tue Mar 25 1997 19:1516
    Dave,
    
    The pathetic parallels are amazing. The Hawks too have a terrible home
    record. Home ice advantage has dissappeared with these new larger (read
    revenue only) arenas. And the lack of hitting was particularly
    dismaying watching the Hawks. Every 2 minutes I'ld turn to my buddy and
    "there's another Hawk with his ass on the ice". If the Hawks do attempt
    to check anyone, they are the ones that end up on the ice.
    
    To think there was so much potential and rivalry between these two
    teams 2-3 years ago and see them now really is disheartening. And even
    after saying that, I love hockey and the Hawks as much as ever. Its a
    tradition like no other I know. No matter how much Wirtz tries to kill
    this hockey team, my love for Hawks and their tradition won't die.
    
    Les
570.102PKGSRV::JANESLester Janes dtn 474-6631Wed Apr 02 1997 21:318
    Dave,
    
    I sent an interoffice mail to Dave Hughes @STO about a week ago.
    Have you recieved it yet? Just curious.
    
    How bout them Blues/Hawks. "tieing" their ways into the playoffs.
    
    Les
570.103words can't describe...TIMAST::HUGHESFri Apr 04 1997 20:5211
    Les, 
    
    I don't make it to the office much but I did receive your package. I've
    been pretty busy lately and haven't had a chance to read it. And, after
    last nights pathetic 3rd period collapse by the Blues at home against
    the Islanders, I don';t feel like reading too much hockey today. 
    
    To have a 3 goal lead with 10 minutes left in the game at home and end
    up with a tie... well, it just sucks...
    
    Dave
570.104FSCORE::B_LEURYFri Apr 04 1997 21:395
    Your darn right it sucks!!! Us Ottawa fans (I'm not sure if that includes
    Ray yet) were counting on the Blues beating the Islanders.  An to top
    it all off, the Penguins let the Whalers off the hook too!!!
    
    Bernie.  
570.105Weak division, overallPKGSRV::JANESLester Janes dtn 474-6631Sat Apr 05 1997 04:207
    Hawks also blew a lead in the 3rd. I watch the Hawks, and after couple
    of minutes I walk away. There is nothing inspiring about the way they
    play. I can't belive the Blues ended up tieing. I wonder how many teams
    in the Hawks/Blues division will make the playoff with in under .500
    record.
    
    Les
570.106Great stuff and much more tooTIMAST::HUGHESWed Apr 09 1997 10:3924
    Les,
    
    Thanks for the Blueline magazine. What an absolute trip. I have to
    quote one section from it in here for those noters in here that have no
    real interest in watching their teams bow out of the playoffs in the
    first round.
    
    Under the heading "News and Notes from around the league"
    
    Such Generosity: At each Hawks game, the fine folks at Mennen have
    awarded a years supply of Mennen Speed Stick to the lucky Hawks fan
    that has an envelope taped under his or her (usually sorry) ass. What
    is that---about six sticks of deodorant? jeez, it probably cost more to
    pay the guy who picks the seat and tapes the envelope under it than it
    costs Mennen to part with six or seven of their green cow tongue
    simulators.
    
    :-)))
    
    they sell something that looks similar outsie of Kiel on game days but
    I've never forked out any of my precious beer money to see what it is.
    Maybe I will next season :((
    
    Dave
570.107Of course, you still have to scoreTIMAST::HUGHESThu Apr 17 1997 00:2931
    I've determined that there is no way I can get tickets to the Avs/Hawks
    game here in Denver unless I sell my car. So, I guess I'll have to suck
    down some Budweisers and and watch from the hotel bar.
    
    The Blues and Wings start their series tonight and 2 things are
    happening.
    
    1) they're not getting much national press (the only series that wasn't
    written about in USA Today)
    
    2) No one gives the Blues much of a prayer.
    
    I think differently. Why??? 
    
    The Blues and Wings are division rivals and that always makes for good 
    hockey. 
    
    The Blues took the Wings to double OT of the 7th game last year with 
    a backup goalie.
    
    The season series ended 1-1-3 and all were close games with both teams
    victories ccuring on the road. The Blues are a better road team than
    home)
    
    The Wings seem to find a way to choke in the playoffs.
    
    I think the Blues have a better defense and better goaltending more
    toughness than the Wings. The Wings have more size, speed and offensive
    talent. And, in the playoffs, defense and goaltending are the keys.
    
    Dave
570.108STL-DET at 7:30, PHX-ANA at 10:30, Can't Wait!GOBUCS::COOLEYMegan and Michelle's DaddyThu Apr 17 1997 00:4311
    Dave,
    
    Yes - it seems the playoffs are only for the rich.  A Caps season-ticket
    holder neighbor of mine is actually glad he won't have to fork up the
    cash to see the Caps lose.
    
    I agree STL-DET should be a close series because of Fuhr. (on ESPN2 @7:30)
    However, one difference from last year is this Shanahan guy?  Have you
    ever seem him play? :-)
    
    Warren
570.109Dave...avoiding any kiss o death predictions...PKGSRV::JANESLester Janes dtn 474-6631Thu Apr 17 1997 01:4922
    <    2) No one gives the Blues much of a prayer.
    
    Oh contraire... I have heard several writers/media type pick the Blues
    over the Wings. Granted, more are still picking the Wings, but the
    consensus is that the Blues will give the Wings all they can handle.
    You can even take a look at this notes conference... a couple people
    have picked the Blues outright and most feel Detroit will need 6 or 7
    games to win.
    
    So, go ahead with your "woe is me and my Blues ever having a chance to
    win" negative approach. I know you!!! You really feel that the Blues
    really do have a good chance of winning, but you know that publicly
    admitting it is the "kiss o' death". 
    
    Now, you want to look at a team that no one gives a chance, look north
    to Chicago. Everyone...I mean everyone feels that it will be the Avs in
    4 or 5. They throw one win to the Hawks out of pity.
    
    My predcition for the Blues/Wings....the Blues take the series in 3
    games (it will be  a record)   8*))))
    
    Les
570.110Playoffs, a great excuse to drink beerTIMAST::HUGHESThu Apr 17 1997 02:1312
    Your absolutley right Les, you see, I'm out here all lonely and needed
    some support from my notes friends :-)) No publicity, and being the
    underdog (see Warren) is actually a good thing.
    
    However, if I look north (just a few miles) I too don't give the Hawks
    a snowballs chance in ....
    
    But, I think the Avs will win at all again anyway. Any team that
    doesn't miss a beat when the lose Sakic and Forsberg to injuries, well,
    that proves a lot to me.
    
    Dave
570.111I'm the one w/ the remote; ..she tells me how to use it :*)KAOFS::WATTERSThu Apr 17 1997 02:238
    >>Playoffs, a great excuse to drink beer
    
    The only time of the year I use my PictureInPicture on my TV.
    
    Is Melrose Place over? If not, I'll have to give 'her' the small
    picture in the right hand corner.
    
    Andy
570.112You guys are avoiding the k-o-d real wellGOBUCS::COOLEYMegan and Michelle's DaddyThu Apr 17 1997 02:297
    > Now, you want to look at a team that no one gives a chance, look north
    > to Chicago. Everyone...I mean everyone feels that it will be the Avs in
    > 4 or 5. They throw one win to the Hawks out of pity.
    
    And Pity's Name, in this case, is Chelios.  I hope he's in shape.
    
    Warren
570.113Better stop on the way home and get some MolsonPKGSRV::JANESLester Janes dtn 474-6631Thu Apr 17 1997 03:147
        >>Playoffs, a great excuse to drink beer
    
    Thanks for reminding me. I'll go and get a sixer of Molson just to get
    into the spirit. If the Hawks lose, I'll drink all six. If the Hawks win,
    I'll drink all six. Hey, I like those odds.
    
    Les (hiccup)
570.114I'd rather deink waterTIMAST::HUGHESThu Apr 17 1997 04:517
    >>
    >>Playoffs, a great excuse to drink beer
    
    All I have to say is they better sell Budweiser in this place. I refuse
    to drink that mountain goat pi$$ that they call Coors :-))
    
    Dave
570.115CTHU26::S_BURRIDGEThu Apr 17 1997 19:446
    I'm one of those who dimissed the Blues' chances, mainly because I like
    the Wings so much.  Evry year, I expect them to roll over their
    opposition.  What happened last night? I only saw a brief newspaper
    story.
    
    -Stephen
570.116The year of the 6th-seeded teams?GOBUCS::COOLEYMegan and Michelle's DaddyThu Apr 17 1997 22:054
    I guess Detroit's crackdown on the Octopi worked last night.
    I didn't noticed any on the ice :-)
    
    Warren
570.117This should be a long vacationTIMAST::HUGHESThu Apr 17 1997 22:5211
    I watched the 2nd and 3rd periods at a Denver bar and the Blues looked
    good, especialty in the 2nd period. Fuhr played well and the Blues hit 
    (they must hit to win). The Wings turned it on in the 3rd but they took 
    some stupid penalties and inopportune times (see Shanahan on
    Courtnall).
    
    Courtnall, Hull, Pronger, and Turgeon played well. 
    
    Fuhr may be the difference in the series.
    
    Dave
570.118I think he's got 6 Wings in our playoff pool!KUTIPS::ROBILLARDFri Apr 18 1997 00:195

Hey, no word from Papa Pete today. Wonder why? ;^)

Ben
570.119Choking once again??? :*)KAOFS::WATTERSFri Apr 18 1997 00:469
    Don't worry Ben, I had lunch w/ him.
    
    He had to go though, I believe he 'choked' on his food. :*)
    
    He says they hadn't played a meaningful game in months, but will be
    ready next time. hahahahhahahaaha!!!!!! I guess you gotta believe eh? 
    
    
    Andy
570.120Federov on defense...what is Bowman thinking???!!!KUTIPS::ROBILLARDFri Apr 18 1997 01:148

RE: Choking once again???

So any volunteers for the Hymlic(sp?) manoeuver in Hull? :^) We'll still
need the "old Goalie" for next year's tournies! :^)
 
Ben
570.121KAOFS::MCCANNFri Apr 18 1997 01:475
    re: heimlich. 
    
     Sorry Ben, not me! But I hear Andy's pretty good at that stuff.
    
    Dennis ;-)
570.122FSCORE::PAVEZKAHull BoundFri Apr 18 1997 02:0313
    What, What , What!!!!
    
    
    
    Ben, at least I have some confidence in my team.....not like a certain
    Hab fan who shall rename nameless (his initials are BR) who picks 10
    Flyers in the playoff pool (out of 10).  Richer was even available when
    you made your 10th pick!
    
    
    Go Sens Go!!!
    
    p.r.
570.123Go Flyers Go!KUTIPS::ROBILLARDFri Apr 18 1997 02:196

Once I got going I just couldn't stop. Problem is I don't have much to look
forward to every other night. 

Ben
570.124They're starting Snow instead of HextallKAOFS::WATTERSFri Apr 18 1997 03:196
    To the guy that's running that hockey pool:
    
    Get Ben's $$$ NOW!
    
    Andy :*)
    
570.125Its only one game....OHFSS1::JAGODKAthink of me and try not to laughFri Apr 18 1997 04:0116
    I was at the game last night at the Joe.  The Blues played pretty well
    and were quick on the loose pucks and just looked like they wantd to
    win.  Fuhr played well although he wasn't tested too many times....
    
    The Wings just plain s*cked!  I don't expect that that will
    continue.... I was real disappointed that Bowman sat out our two young
    defensemen - Pushor and Ward.  I feel they have played extremely well
    all year and deserve to play throughout these playoffs.  Murphy looks
    old out there as well as Fetisov.  And the Fedorov experiment should
    end right now - put him back up front and play the young guys!!
    
    Loved that penalty by I don't know who on the Blues, when he picked up
    the puck in the third period and just threw it out of their zone - that
    was a first!!
    
    TJ
570.126I guess he thought he was playing shortstopTIMAST::HUGHESFri Apr 18 1997 04:308
    > Loved that penalty by I don't know who on the Blues, when he picked
    > up the puck in the third period and just threw it out of their zone -
    > that was a first!!
    
    TJ, It was an old friend Marc Bergevin. And it was classic and if the
    Wings would have scored, I would have personally killed him.
    
    Dave
570.127GO FLYERS GO!!!!!!!!KUTIPS::ROBILLARDFri Apr 18 1997 19:476

Well Andy, I think I should be making sure everyone else gets their money
in. 9 points in 1 game last night thank you very much!!!!!! :^))))))))

Ben
570.128FSCORE::B_LEURYFri Apr 18 1997 21:521
    but you're not leading the pool...
570.129Home teams rule (with one exception)PKGSRV::JANESLester Janes dtn 474-6631Fri Apr 18 1997 22:397
    Does anyone remember how the 1st game in the playoffs has gone in the
    last several years? I.e. home team is a disadvantage!! Well not this
    year. Out of all eight games only one road team has one, St Louis. It
    will be interesting to see how many home teams are 2-0 afer first two
    games. Just an observation.
    
    Les
570.130Though it still doesn't look good for Habs and HawksKAOFS::WATTERSFri Apr 18 1997 23:096
    I heard that during the '90s(or over that last 5-7 years) the 1st
    round ended in 7 games 45% of the time. The later rounds go quicker;
    avg barely 5 games for the final.
    
    
    Andy
570.131Brett Hull to be traded??? Rumor anyway...POLAR::MAJORMon May 12 1997 20:1312
    A friend of mine is Ronald Caron's nephew. Caron is originally from
    Hull. Caron has been w/ the Blues for about 15 years now, and he's the
    man who took over the GM role last year when they fired Mike Keenan.
    Anyway, last Friday, it was reported that the Blues had " releived "
    caron of his GM duties. My friend told me that wasn't exactly true...
    
    It seems Caron resigned because he is totally against the Blues trading
    star player Brett Hull. Caron traded for Hull in the late '80s, and
    would like Hull to end his career in St Louis. It seems other people in
    the org are ready to trade Hull...
    
    Ray. 
570.132FSCORE::PAVEZKAHull BoundMon May 12 1997 21:356
    I've heard from quite a few sources that Hull will be traded.
    Other players on the team don't like his primadonna attitude and
    Quenville is fed up trying to get him to play within Quenville's
    system.
    
    pete
570.133I don't even know what I want them to do.TIMAST::HUGHESTue May 13 1997 19:3923
    Well, this is from my perspective with no "inside information." Caron
    was never meant to be the permanant GM. And, he has not stepped down
    and won't until a new GM is named. Why was the timetable for a new GM
    stepped up??? I don't know. I suspect is has something to do with
    differences over the future direction of the team. Not necessarily
    Brett Hull (remember, one of the reasons Keenan gave up and got fired
    is because managamentr wouldn't let him trade Brett Hull.
    
    The Blues ahve a tough choice to make and it wouldn't be too surprising
    if management were split on how to proceed. Do they take a team with a
    mixture of veterans (some grossly overpaid) and decent young players
    and try to mold a cup winner out of it???? Or do they trade their
    marque players that have value (Hull, MaCinnis and Fuhr) and dump the
    overpaid (Cournall and Murphy...) if they can and rebuild from scratch
    (or at least their good young players. Tough choice!!!
    
    Keenan has left this frachise in shambles. This year, the Blues will
    pay $2.8 million to players that no longer play with the Blues (some
    not even in the NHL). He signed so many veteran muckers to huge
    long term contracts that it's ridicules. And, of course, the Joe Murphy
    deal go Waaaaaaaaay beyond ridicules.
    
    Dave
570.134My 2 cents worthKUTIPS::ROBILLARDTue May 13 1997 20:586
    St. Louis should trade their marquee players for some good young
    prospects and look to the future. 
    
    The Habs should make a decent offer for Al McInnis!
    
    Ben
570.135FSCORE::PAVEZKAHull BoundTue May 13 1997 21:443
    Ben, why do you care about the Habs?   I thought you were a Flyer fan!
    
    pete
570.136POLAR::RICHARDSONgot any spare change?Tue May 13 1997 22:091
    blasphemy!
570.137There's CASH involved!!!!KUTIPS::ROBILLARDTue May 13 1997 22:395

It's strictly a money thing until the end of the playoffs. ;^)

Ben