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Conference 7.286::digital_investing

Title:Digital Investing
Moderator:a-61.tunnel.crl.dec.com::needle
Created:Mon Nov 06 1995
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:476
Total number of notes:10632

431.0. "Official Future$aver (1996 version) note" by LJSRV1::RICH (anger is a gift) Wed Feb 21 1996 12:26

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431.1:-)DECWET::ONOThe Wrong StuffWed Feb 21 1996 14:273
431.2Call placed to B.E.TOOK::FRANKWed Feb 21 1996 16:2610
431.3vaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerWed Feb 21 1996 17:593
431.4Kiss old FutureSaver data goodbyeTREZUR::MEANEYJim in Salem @ 285-3637Wed Feb 21 1996 20:2027
431.5My experience with the newMPOS01::ZWIRTZIF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX ITWed Feb 21 1996 20:599
431.6STARCH::WHALENRich WhalenWed Feb 21 1996 22:244
431.7No prolem here, either.MSBCS::MUMFORDThu Feb 22 1996 14:203
431.8HANNAH::BAYJim Bay, peripheral visionaryThu Feb 22 1996 19:1111
431.91-800-890-3100PLUGH::needleMoney talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!"Thu Feb 22 1996 19:140
431.10floating point error == not saving enough!STARCH::WHALENRich WhalenSat Feb 24 1996 20:3710
431.11HASTUR::LOWEChris LoweThu Feb 29 1996 11:128
431.12Menu Choices For Convenience' Sake [note 800# is wrong, see .14]CSC64::G_ROGERSThe World is Full of AdventureTue May 07 1996 21:2518
431.13ACISS2::LENNIGDave (N8JCX), MIG, @CYOWed May 08 1996 01:105
431.14correction on the BE phone number.NPSS::BENZI'm an idiot, and I voteWed May 08 1996 17:282
431.15QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centThu May 09 1996 15:284
431.16make sure you're really using "worst-case" #'sMKOTS3::LEVY_JTue May 14 1996 19:4327
431.17Strange ResultsJULIET::RIFKIN_DADavid RifkinWed Apr 09 1997 21:539
    When I run FutureSaver and look at the detailed results, I notice that
    the first year of retirement shows a huge expenditure for income tax
    (about $25K).  The next and subsequent years it drops way down to about 
    $5K.  Has anyone else noticed this?  Any explainations?
    
    Thx,
    
    Dave
      
431.18PADC::KOLLINGKarenWed Apr 09 1997 23:274
    I haven't run FundSaver, but I assume you work part of the first
    calendar year of retirement, so your income that year is higher
    than subsequent years.
    
431.19Future$aver deficienciesPOBOXA::SMELSERThu Apr 10 1997 12:0124
Sorry about the missing text in the previous reply. (Inexperienced noter).

re:.16

I have noticed the same thing.  My explanation (really a guess) is that
future$aver does its tax figuring 1 year in arrears to make computation
easier (that is, the tax paid in any given year is the tax on the PREVIOUS
years' income).  For the purposes of future$aver estimates, it doesn't make
much difference *except* in the first year of retirement when your taxable
income may be significantly lower than the previous year.

I consider this a bug in future$saver.  To compensate you could give
yourself a one time bonus under "Additional Resources" (however, I chose to
ignore it and figure that I would just have a little extra cushion for
unforseen expenses).

By the way, I found one other deficiency in future$saver.  All your non-
tax-sheltered investments (called "Personal Savings") are assumed to have
no tax liability.  However, we all know that capital gains taxes do exist
and can be significant.  My suggestion is to reduce your expected return
on those investments by about 1/4 to cover the taxes (more or less, depending
on your tax bracket).

Don