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Conference 7.286::digital_investing

Title:Digital Investing
Moderator:a-61.tunnel.crl.dec.com::needle
Created:Mon Nov 06 1995
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:476
Total number of notes:10632

16.0. "Tax questions related to Digital Stock" by SFC01::CABANYA () Fri Jan 24 1992 19:25

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16.1Look at the back of the form they sent you...UNXA::ADLERRich or poor, it's nice to have $$$Fri Jan 24 1992 20:1410
16.2unless I'm misunderstaning this...FRETZ::HEISERimagination > knowledgeSat Jan 25 1992 16:525
16.3Ordinary Income and Capital Gains don't overlapSTAR::BECKPaul BeckSat Jan 25 1992 19:049
16.4thanks!SFC00::CABANYAMon Jan 27 1992 15:124
16.5Basis question not mentioned on DEC formVSSCAD::RITCHIEElaine Kokernak RitchieMon Jan 27 1992 16:507
16.6FMV LAVETA::J_MANNINGJohn T. ManningTue Jan 28 1992 01:0213
16.7ESPP stock sale income should be on DEC W-2VSSCAD::SIGELWed Jan 29 1992 21:2134
16.8My attempt to clarifyADTSHR::DENNY::PERIQUETDennis PeriquetThu Jan 30 1992 14:3035
16.9Selling for a loss, long-termCIMNET::MJOHNSONMatt JohnsonSat Feb 01 1992 12:5723
16.10a data pointYNGSTR::BROWNSat Feb 01 1992 16:1977
16.11IS is difficult to work withLAVETA::J_MANNINGJohn T. ManningSun Feb 02 1992 02:3919
16.12Losses from 1989, how to report?WILARD::SIMONIANGuy Thu Feb 06 1992 01:594
16.13VINO::FLEMMINGHave XDELTA, will travelThu Feb 06 1992 08:493
16.14it's a 1040XCADSYS::HECTOR::RICHARDSONThu Feb 06 1992 11:3919
16.15Note, there may be a 3 year limit on refiling!LEDS::WILDINGArthur, SHR 237-6353, Drive f/w eng.Thu Feb 06 1992 12:160
16.16And do not forget to deal with your stateBROKE::LEEYou never expect ... The Spanish InquisitionThu Feb 06 1992 12:4023
16.17Confused regarding W2 and Schedule D !BROKE::HASANIThu Feb 06 1992 16:069
16.18data pointYNGSTR::BROWNThu Feb 06 1992 19:1820
16.1918 Month Rule??LEDDEV::UGRINOWThu Apr 09 1992 12:1611
16.20Need help with "Other Income"DNEAST::MOORE_BILLThu Apr 09 1992 12:2814
16.21ESPP "ordinary income" on line 7MIMS::SOVEREIGN_Sbut once a knight is enough(?)Thu Apr 09 1992 14:5013
16.22what is the basis for the 5/12/87 "surrendered" shares?QUABBI::"jeske@src.dec.com"Steve JeskeWed Apr 15 1992 01:4321
16.23VINO::FLEMMINGHave XDELTA, will travelWed Apr 15 1992 10:174
16.24Old note but still applicable ?DABEAN::NEARYBob NearyThu Apr 29 1993 02:026
16.25Mucking?KOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseThu Apr 29 1993 11:4018
16.26It's been a long time, but...NOVA::FISHERDEC Rdb/DinosaurFri Apr 30 1993 13:323
16.27I don't think soDAVE::MITTONToken rings happenMon May 03 1993 20:3510
16.28Don't fill in the formSMAUG::GARRODFrom VMS -> NT; Unix a mere page from historyMon May 03 1993 21:576
16.29on the contrary, they have got you....NECSC::ROODYIntel aside, Alpha InsideTue May 04 1993 13:178
16.30Does $40-$33 = $8 gain or $7 loss?FREEBE::NEARYBob NearyWed May 05 1993 02:4831
16.31AgreedKOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseWed May 05 1993 11:4510
16.32what might be happening ...WWF::LONGWed May 05 1993 12:4632
16.33as I remember it .....SPESHR::ZEITZWed May 05 1993 13:2732
16.34ZENDIA::FERGUSONYour recipe is so tastyWed May 05 1993 14:0116
16.35.33 has it right - there is a tax advantage for DECVINO::FLEMMINGHave XDELTA, will travelWed May 05 1993 21:291
16.36JEDI::CAUDILLKelly - NaC Tech Support - 264-3320Fri May 07 1993 22:2613
16.37NopeKOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseMon May 10 1993 13:146
16.38VSSCAD::SIGELMon May 10 1993 16:2515
16.39STAR::PARKETrue Engineers Combat ObfuscationMon May 10 1993 19:2514
16.40WONDER::REILLYSean Reilly CSG/AVS DTN:293-5983Mon May 24 1993 20:427
16.41VAXWRK::SWARDCommon sense is not that commonMon May 24 1993 21:105
16.42Limit of capital loss?NAPIER::VERMAVirendra, MRO4-3/H10, DTN 297-5913Tue Dec 07 1993 12:366
16.43SMURF::SWARDCommon sense is not that commonTue Dec 07 1993 12:525
16.44REDZIN::DCOXTue Dec 07 1993 13:557
16.45wash rule?NAPIER::VERMAVirendra, MRO4-3/H10, DTN 297-5913Tue Dec 07 1993 14:043
16.46MSBCS::BROWN_LTue Dec 07 1993 16:392
16.47DIR/TITLE=washCADSYS::CADSYS::RITCHIEGotta love log homesTue Dec 07 1993 17:0311
16.48YepROCK::MURPHYNumber 16 like a bulletTue Dec 07 1993 19:0721
16.49An incomprehensible logic?NAPIER::VERMAVirendra, MRO4-3/H10, DTN 297-5913Tue Dec 07 1993 19:2310
16.50$3,000SWLAVC::HOSSEINITue Dec 07 1993 20:403
16.51REDZIN::DCOXTue Dec 07 1993 22:5325
16.52More free adviceHEAVY::THOMASWed Dec 08 1993 07:0324
16.53QUIVER::DESMONDWed Dec 08 1993 11:084
16.54SOLVIT::CHENWed Dec 08 1993 12:356
16.55No always complicatedKOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseWed Dec 08 1993 13:399
16.56YES always complicatedWRKSYS::SCHUMANNWed Dec 08 1993 14:1010
16.57WONDER::REILLYSean Reilly CSG/AVS DTN:293-5983Thu Dec 09 1993 13:3823
16.58REDZIN::DCOXThu Dec 09 1993 14:1763
16.59Legality aspectNAPIER::VERMAVirendra, MRO4-3/H10, DTN 297-5913Thu Dec 09 1993 14:2912
16.60WeellROCK::MURPHYNumber 16 like a bulletThu Dec 09 1993 14:304
16.61Nothing 'illegal'KOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseThu Dec 09 1993 16:115
16.62WONDER::REILLYSean Reilly CSG/AVS DTN:293-5983Thu Dec 09 1993 16:2314
16.63REDZIN::DCOXThu Dec 09 1993 18:118
16.65SOLVIT::CHENThu Dec 09 1993 18:329
16.66More confusedNAPIER::VERMAVirendra, MRO4-3/H10, DTN 297-5913Thu Dec 09 1993 18:363
16.67who's really screwed?BROKE::SHAHAmitabh "Amend Constitution: ban DECAF"Thu Dec 09 1993 19:118
16.68True, but wash rule was washing me outNAPIER::VERMAVirendra, MRO4-3/H10, DTN 297-5913Thu Dec 09 1993 19:543
16.69Wash rule?ZENDIA::FERGUSONRed XThu Dec 09 1993 21:0032
16.70TLE::FELDMANOpportunities are our FutureFri Dec 10 1993 01:579
16.71GainsKOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseFri Dec 10 1993 15:010
16.72AIAG::SURESHSureshMon Dec 13 1993 15:5929
16.73for $14, just cheatWRKSYS::SCHUMANNMon Dec 13 1993 17:4719
16.74$14 isn't cheating, it's rounding off...CARROL::YOUNGwhere is this place in space???Mon Dec 13 1993 19:502
16.75ESOP Shares -- how much did they cost?GNPIKE::JOHNSONMatt JohnsonFri Jan 21 1994 21:079
16.76Call Investor Services for ESOP share cost basisGNPIKE::JOHNSONMatt JohnsonMon Jan 24 1994 14:124
16.77loss carried forward MICROW::FLEMINGThu Jun 16 1994 15:375
16.78MCCOVY::RABBI::LIFLANDThu Jun 16 1994 15:4918
16.79For MASS state tax: capital losses can only be used to reduce capital gainsATPS::BARRYRick Barry, SE/VMS(B1) Eng., 381-0634Thu Jun 16 1994 16:474
16.80Massachusetts capital loss rulesVSSCAD::SIGELThu Jun 16 1994 17:0517
16.81The limit is on *net* lossNETRIX::michaudJeff Michaud, PATHWORKS for Win. NTFri Jun 17 1994 03:0110
16.82clarification of OLD note about short-term costHANNAH::SCHULLMANDan SchullmanThu Feb 23 1995 04:3916
16.83Or cost is what you paid for the securitiesAKOCOA::BREENThat is enough for me and for theeThu Feb 23 1995 15:1812
16.84CONSLT::WOLFCherokee N15802Sun Jan 21 1996 12:5710
16.85SHRMSG::BUSKYMon Jan 22 1996 10:4912
16.86NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Mon Jan 22 1996 11:564
16.87vaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerMon Jan 22 1996 13:4310
16.88CONSLT::WOLFCherokee N15802Mon Jan 22 1996 14:153
16.89W2 Statements including (FMV-ESPP)DASPHB::PBAXTERVmsmail: PENUTS::PBAXTERMon Jan 22 1996 16:217
16.90PADC::KOLLINGKarenMon Jan 22 1996 16:234
16.91HELIX::SONTAKKEMon Jan 22 1996 16:478
16.92difference could be more than 15%?CFSCTC::PATILAvinash Patil dtn:227-3280Mon Jan 22 1996 17:1510
16.93vaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerMon Jan 22 1996 18:0038
16.94QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centMon Jan 22 1996 18:1214
16.95ESPP Sale Stop Retirement Savings?BECALM::NYLANDERMon Jan 22 1996 18:3234
16.96Income calculation correctionVSSCAD::SIGELMon Jan 22 1996 20:5234
16.97HELIX::SONTAKKEMon Jan 22 1996 21:008
16.98vaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerTue Jan 23 1996 00:5818
16.99IRS Publication 550vaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerTue Jan 23 1996 00:5810383
16.100Relevent text from Pub. 525vaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerTue Jan 23 1996 04:32126
16.101Re: Tax questions related to Digital StockQUABBI::"nikhil"R.S. NikhilTue Jan 23 1996 13:0121
16.102vaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerTue Jan 23 1996 13:157
16.103QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centTue Jan 23 1996 13:177
16.104HELIX::SONTAKKETue Jan 23 1996 13:5510
16.105ACISS2::LENNIGDave (N8JCX), MIG, @CYOTue Jan 23 1996 14:0715
16.106vaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerTue Jan 23 1996 14:1120
16.107when?RLTIME::COOKTue Jan 23 1996 14:1410
16.108vaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerTue Jan 23 1996 14:2313
16.109ACISS2::LENNIGDave (N8JCX), MIG, @CYOTue Jan 23 1996 14:2910
16.110more confusionRLTIME::COOKTue Jan 23 1996 14:4918
16.111ACISS2::LENNIGDave (N8JCX), MIG, @CYOTue Jan 23 1996 15:159
16.112But I cann't contribute based on my "INCOME"STAR::PARKETrue Engineers Combat ObfuscationTue Jan 23 1996 15:2413
16.113HELIX::SONTAKKETue Jan 23 1996 15:387
16.114Here is what IS sent me, about taxesSNAX::ERICKSONCan the Coach...Tue Jan 23 1996 18:4057
16.115ESPP ordinary income reduxVSSCAD::SIGELTue Jan 23 1996 18:5636
16.116xpostVSSCAD::SIGELTue Jan 23 1996 19:045
16.117Uncle Samvaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerTue Jan 23 1996 19:3211
16.118QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centThu Jan 25 1996 14:034
16.119DYPSS1::DYSERTBarry - Custom Software DevelopmentMon Feb 05 1996 17:1137
16.120DECC::VOGELMon Feb 05 1996 17:4114
16.121Use the free PDF ReaderLOCH::SOJDAMon Feb 05 1996 18:0917
16.122PADC::KOLLINGKarenMon Feb 05 1996 19:1110
16.123hoop dreamsvaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerMon Feb 05 1996 22:0026
16.124vaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerMon Feb 05 1996 22:026
16.125QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centTue Feb 06 1996 12:468
16.126Problem mentioned in Web PagesLOCH::SOJDATue Feb 06 1996 13:4010
16.127*cost* is adjusted by commissions+SEC_taxDYPSS1::DYSERTBarry - Custom Software DevelopmentTue Feb 06 1996 13:4365
16.128DECC::VOGELTue Feb 06 1996 15:3113
16.129vaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerTue Feb 06 1996 16:4512
16.130PADC::KOLLINGKarenTue Feb 06 1996 17:295
16.131HELIX::SONTAKKETue Feb 06 1996 18:127
16.132STARCH::brevet.shr.dec.com::WHALENTue Feb 06 1996 18:316
16.133vaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerTue Feb 06 1996 20:5610
16.134PADC::KOLLINGKarenTue Feb 06 1996 21:315
16.135HELIX::SONTAKKEWed Feb 07 1996 13:458
16.136Sorry, another tax questionLUNER::FARRENKOPFMon Feb 19 1996 13:4421
16.137Sanity Check...USDEV::CLEMENTSmells like NirvanaFri Mar 22 1996 12:2020
16.138HELIX::WELLCOMESteve Wellcome MRO1-1/L31 Pole HJ33Fri Mar 22 1996 12:212
16.139Help with Tax CalculationsDAGWST::PIAZZAMissed it by that MUCH!Tue Apr 02 1996 04:5752
16.140Check your mathPX64::HOLike money in the bankTue Apr 02 1996 15:4416
16.141Prospectus wrong?HELIX::WIDYONONo CommentMon Apr 08 1996 16:4713
16.142How is option exercise and sale reported?LGP30::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (DTN 227-3978, TAY1)Mon Apr 15 1996 17:2027
16.143MANANA::uncagd.zko.dec.com::CLARKLee Clark,DTN 381-0422,TeamLinksMon Apr 15 1996 18:4915
16.144Where do you report the ordinary income?DECCXL::ZEEBJeff ZeebTue Apr 01 1997 00:308
I sold some ESPP shares last year and have computed the ordinary income
and capital gain using the formulas on the back of the sheet from IS.
However, it isn't clear where I should report the ordinary income on the
1040.  The most likely places seem to be line 7 (Wages, Saleries, etc.)
or line 21 (Misc. income).  Which one is it?

Jeff
16.145don't pay twice!WRKSYS::SCHUMANNTue Apr 01 1997 00:363
Generally, Digital includes the "ordinary income" in the amount reported on your W2.
You don't need to report it elsewhere if Digital included it on your W2.

16.146skylab.zko.dec.com::FISHERGravity: Not just a good idea. It's the law!Tue Apr 01 1997 16:336
If for some reason Digital did not include it in your W-2, Miscellaneous works
fine.  However, the only time it will not be included is if you have held of for
a longish time (or perhaps if you sold some old shares just after you bought new
ones but the old ones "count as" new under the wash rules).

Burns
16.147Which line is whichVSSCAD::SIGELTue Apr 01 1997 19:5710
Re .144

Last year, I reported mine on line 7, and included an attached sheet 
explaining where the extra money came from.  I chose line 7 over 
line 21 since line 7 is where the money goes when IS does report the 
income, and the income is ordinary earned income from Digital.

(I didn't report any this year since I didn't sell any stock in 1996, alas.)

-- Andrew
16.148Check you W2 against you pay stub.PROXY::MOORETom Moore PK1/B1 DTN-223-6309Wed Apr 02 1997 00:462
    You will be notified if Digital adds something to your W2. Make sure
    that you pay once and only once for the taxes on this income.
16.149DECCXL::ZEEBJeff ZeebWed Apr 02 1997 17:0210
>    You will be notified if Digital adds something to your W2. Make sure
>    that you pay once and only once for the taxes on this income.

I sold two blocks of stock.  One was "old enough" that Digital didn't add
anything to my W-2, and the other was "new enough" that they did add it
to my W-2.  I'm only intending to report the ordinary income for the old
stock.  Now I wonder if you can attach an additional sheet of paper (to
explain the extra income) when filing the 1040PC version.

Jeff
16.150Isn't this a long-term gain (loss)?UNXA::ZASLAWSteve ZaslawWed Apr 02 1997 17:2121
>I sold two blocks of stock.  One was "old enough" that Digital didn't add
>anything to my W-2, and the other was "new enough" that they did add it
>to my W-2.  I'm only intending to report the ordinary income for the old
>stock.  Now I wonder if you can attach an additional sheet of paper (to
>explain the extra income) when filing the 1040PC version.

There isn't ordinary income in the old stock, is there? I thought you'd have a
long-term capital gain or loss when selling that. You paid $X, as reported in
the "cost basis" column of your IS "statement of ownership," and you sold it
for $Y net, after commission and taxes, as reported by your broker or IS after
the sale. The (positive) gain or (negative) loss is $Y-$X, so that if you paid
X=40 and sold for Y=30, Y-X=-10, you lost $10/share.

This is reported on schedule [whatever], where capital gains/losses are
reported, and carried over to the 1040 form as directed on schedule [whatever].

I'm sure if this is entirely wrong, someone will point it out, and I can start
filing corrected tax returns for past years. Except why bother? Read about the
IRS in this week's TIME magazine and maybe you won't bother to file at all if
you don't have a refund coming. The article gives the impression that they
won't notice.
16.151DECWET::ONOSoftware doesn't break-it comes brokenWed Apr 02 1997 18:433
Read the ESPP Prospectus -- carefully.

It's in VTX IS.
16.152Read the rules!PROXY::MOORETom Moore PK1/B1 DTN-223-6309Wed Apr 02 1997 18:4639
    There can be "ordinary income" after 2 years. Read what VTX IS has to
    say:

    Basic Federal Tax Consequences

         The following general rules will be applicable for United States 
    Federal income tax purposes:

         1. No taxable income will be realized by you either at the time options
            are granted pursuant to the Plan or at the time you purchase shares
            pursuant to the Plan.

         2. If you dispose of shares two years or more after the date of the
            beginning of the Payment Period when you acquired the shares, then 
    	    at that time you will recognize as ordinary compensation income an
            amount equal to the lesser of:

            (a) the excess of the fair market value of the shares on the date
                of disposition over the option price, or

            (b) 15% of the fair market value of the shares at the beginning of
                the Payment Period.

    In addition, you may recognize a long-term capital gain or loss in an
    amount equal to the difference between the amount realized upon the
    sale of the stock and your basis in the stock (i.e., purchase price
    plus amount, if any, taxed to you as ordinary compensation income). 
    The Tax Reform Act of 1986 repealed the preferential tax rate for
    capitals gains but retained the statutory structure for categorizing
    gains and losses from the sale of capital assets.  The Budget
    Reconciliation Act of 1990 restored preferential capital gains tax
    rate.  For tax years after 1990, net capital gain is taxed at a rate
    not to exceed 28 percent.  This will create a significant differential
    in effective rates between ordinary and capital gain income for
    high-income taxpayers.  The Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1993 included
    several provisions to prevent the conversion of ordinary income to
    capital gain income which would be subject to the lower rate of tax. 
    To understand how these provisions will apply to your financial
    situation, consult your personal tax advisor.