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Conference vmsnet::car$note:carbuffs

Title:Carbuffs
Moderator:DASXPS::NASEAM::READIO
Created:Tue Dec 13 1988
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:632
Total number of notes:88145

551.0. "Parts Restoration (paint stripping, derusting)" by SMAUG::LEGERLOTZ (Alan Legerlotz .OSI Applications. dtn 226-5744) Thu Jan 13 1994 12:27

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551.1Ugly but functional parts.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZAlan Legerlotz .OSI Applications. dtn 226-5744Thu Jan 13 1994 12:3422
551.2Start at the recycling center.LEDS::LEWICKESerfs don't own assault weaponsThu Jan 13 1994 12:4811
551.3More than I'm willing to spend at this time.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZAlan Legerlotz .OSI Applications. dtn 226-5744Thu Jan 13 1994 13:399
551.4Another way of derusting.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZAlan Legerlotz .OSI Applications. dtn 226-5744Thu Jan 13 1994 14:406
551.5I use OXYSOLVSTRATA::YACINOThu Jan 13 1994 16:156
551.6I'll have to check this stuff out.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZAlan Legerlotz .OSI Applications. dtn 226-5744Thu Jan 13 1994 16:257
551.7For my Project Torino.ESKIMO::MANUELEThu Jan 13 1994 18:0311
551.8sounds like a good cheap way to do it.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZAlan Legerlotz .OSI Applications. dtn 226-5744Thu Jan 13 1994 18:3113
551.9It works for me.ESKIMO::MANUELEThu Jan 13 1994 19:4912
551.10OXYSOLV & stuffSTRATA::YACINOThu Jan 13 1994 20:548
551.11AKOCOA::SELIGFri Jan 14 1994 11:4232
551.12SMAUG::LEGERLOTZAlan Legerlotz .OSI Applications. dtn 226-5744Fri Jan 14 1994 11:5311
551.13POR-15AKOCOA::SELIGFri Jan 14 1994 12:4216
551.14I plan on ordering some this week.ESKIMO::MANUELESat Jan 15 1994 00:1312
551.15Info on POR-15POWDML::SPENCER_LMon Jan 17 1994 16:543
551.16Left it on the workbench today.ESKIMO::MANUELEMon Jan 17 1994 18:406
551.17POR 15OASS::STDBKR::Burden_dSynchromesh gearboxes are for wimpsTue Jan 18 1994 10:468
551.18Thanks....POWDML::SPENCER_LTue Jan 18 1994 14:091
551.19Can't wait 'til springSTRATA::YACINOWed Jan 19 1994 13:184
551.20I should be blasting when its warm enough to work in the garage.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZAlan Legerlotz .OSI Applications. dtn 226-5744Thu Jan 20 1994 13:3026
551.21STROKR::dehahnninety eight...don't be lateThu Jan 20 1994 13:474
551.22Adequet, but not 'BIG'SMAUG::LEGERLOTZAlan Legerlotz .OSI Applications. dtn 226-5744Thu Jan 20 1994 14:246
551.23The parts for the blasting cabinet look good.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZAlan Legerlotz .OSI Applications. dtn 226-5744Tue Jan 25 1994 12:2214
551.24more tipsOASS::STDBKR::Burden_dSynchromesh gearboxes are for wimpsFri Jan 28 1994 13:1317
551.25works for meALLVAX::DUNTONFrankly my dear.....Wed Feb 02 1994 11:0615
551.26OASS::STDBKR::Burden_dSynchromesh gearboxes are for wimpsWed Feb 02 1994 13:465
551.27You wife may have some lyeBROKE::TAYLORMister Bobbit, please rise.Wed Feb 02 1994 14:489
551.28NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Feb 02 1994 17:332
551.29What's in a name?24003::HARDMANMassive Action = Massive ResultsWed Feb 02 1994 20:426
551.30OASS::STDBKR::Burden_dSynchromesh gearboxes are for wimpsThu Feb 03 1994 11:314
551.31rust removal on a floor pan?CSTEAM::FARLEYTue Feb 15 1994 17:4522
551.32er, a suggestionCXDOCS::HELMREICHSteveTue Feb 15 1994 19:1223
551.33TARKIN::HARTWELLDave HartwellWed Feb 16 1994 11:168
551.34Hmmm, I hadn't thought of eitherCSTEAM::FARLEYWed Feb 16 1994 12:1323
551.3514 gauge seems a bit too thick to me.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZAlan Legerlotz .OSI Applications. dtn 226-5744Wed Feb 16 1994 12:267
551.36Fiberglass no, steel yesLEDS::LEWICKESerfs don't own assault weaponsWed Feb 16 1994 12:4912
551.37do it right. weld it upNASEAM::READIOA Smith & Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman LocksWed Feb 16 1994 13:1615
551.38TARKIN::HARTWELLDave HartwellWed Feb 16 1994 13:2016
551.39Thanks......WFOV12::KOEHLERonly 3 inchs of snow..Super Dopler My A**!Wed Feb 16 1994 15:086
551.40Quick Fix for small under carriage rust spots.REFINE::NEGUSWed Feb 16 1994 15:242
551.41LEDS::VULLOI have a problem with my short-term uh ..Wed Feb 16 1994 18:0410
551.42My kind of body workLEDS::LEWICKESerfs don't own assault weaponsWed Feb 16 1994 18:1814
551.43some really big partsALLVAX::DUNTONFrankly my dear.....Mon Mar 07 1994 16:2113
551.44TAPE::LKLHis Pain, Your Gain!Mon Mar 07 1994 17:458
551.45Please post.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZAlan Legerlotz .OSI Applications. dtn 226-5744Mon Mar 07 1994 18:0110
551.46I think he's still thereNASEAM::READIOA Smith & Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman LocksMon Mar 07 1994 18:307
551.47another place in WorcesterVLNVAX::BROCKELMANthe brockMon Mar 07 1994 19:1814
551.48Hiya Bruce!!! :-) :-) :-)USHS01::HARDMANMassive Action = Massive ResultsMon Mar 07 1994 21:067
551.49OASS::BURDEN_Dand a dozen grey attorneysMon Mar 07 1994 23:109
551.50Restoring Gauges.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZAlan Legerlotz .OSI Applications. dtn 226-5744Mon Mar 21 1994 14:5114
551.51OASS::STDBKR::Burden_dKeep Cool with CoolidgeMon Mar 21 1994 15:047
551.52Lightweight lubricants and time ...SRFCLB::FYFENever tell a dragon your real name.Mon Mar 21 1994 15:428
551.53Cook emLEDS::LEWICKESerfs don't own assault weaponsMon Mar 21 1994 15:418
551.54STROKR::dehahnninety eight...don't be lateMon Mar 21 1994 21:4710
551.55Thanks!SMAUG::LEGERLOTZAlan Legerlotz .OSI Applications. dtn 226-5744Tue Mar 22 1994 12:207
551.56OASS::BURDEN_Dand a dozen grey attorneysMon Mar 28 1994 19:587
551.57dippers and sandblastersSMAUG::LEGERLOTZBMC has the inside track on outdoor fun!Mon May 02 1994 17:2324
551.58can you say expensive?UNYEM::WAGNERAWhat??? Another MGMon May 02 1994 19:4913
551.59My frame is in better shape than I had expected!SMAUG::LEGERLOTZBMC has the inside track on outdoor fun!Mon Jun 13 1994 16:3819
551.60Seal the tank from the insideNASEAM::READIOA Smith & Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman LocksMon Jun 13 1994 16:5212
551.61sealers.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZBMC has the inside track on outdoor fun!Mon Jun 13 1994 17:0620
551.62gas tank sealerOASS::HEARSE::Burden_dKeep Cool with CoolidgeMon Jun 13 1994 17:3013
551.63Let yours rust again and you'll have problems like everyone elseNASEAM::READIOA Smith & Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman LocksMon Jun 13 1994 17:409
551.64FWIWNASEAM::READIOA Smith & Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman LocksMon Jun 13 1994 17:413
551.65I'll call Hirsch, too.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZBMC has the inside track on outdoor fun!Mon Jun 13 1994 17:575
551.66more on sealerTROOA::TONIZZOMon Jun 13 1994 18:487
551.67Must work great!USHS01::HARDMANMassive Action = Massive ResultsTue Jun 14 1994 20:549
551.68I think that one's historyNASEAM::READIOA Smith & Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman LocksWed Jun 15 1994 12:2918
551.69Sealer it is.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZBMC has the inside track on outdoor fun!Wed Jun 15 1994 13:009
551.70STRIPPING DEFECTIVE PAINT...IAGO::PROVENCALMon Jun 20 1994 15:3010
551.71chemicals or sanding.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZBMC has the inside track on outdoor fun!Mon Jun 20 1994 15:4413
551.72Do you really want to do this yourself?SUBSYS::WOJDAKMon Jun 20 1994 16:3916
551.73KAOFS::B_VANVALKENBTue Jun 21 1994 12:289
551.74or...BABAGI::VIDIOT::PATENAUDEPinball, PC's an more...Tue Jun 21 1994 12:406
551.75BUELL::dehahnBuell American MotorcyclesThu Jun 23 1994 18:375
551.76RE: 551.75OASS::HEARSE::Burden_dKeep Cool with CoolidgeThu Jun 23 1994 18:483
551.77IAGO::PROVENCALMon Jun 27 1994 11:255
551.78Need a couple ounces of MEK.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZBMC has the inside track on outdoor fun!Mon Aug 08 1994 14:1022
551.79Possible MEK source.ZEKE::KOWALCZYKMon Aug 08 1994 15:285
551.80used for hardening fiberglass resinLEDS::MICHAELMon Aug 08 1994 16:154
551.81great, I just need a little.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZBMC has the inside track on outdoor fun!Mon Aug 08 1994 16:439
551.82double checkLEDS::MICHAELMon Aug 08 1994 16:535
551.83as long as MEK is part of the stuff, I'll try it.SMAUG::LEGERLOTZBMC has the inside track on outdoor fun!Mon Aug 08 1994 17:0910
551.84successSMAUG::LEGERLOTZBMC has the inside track on outdoor fun!Tue Aug 09 1994 15:435
551.85Trick for bending thick metalNOTAPC::HARPERFri Sep 09 1994 12:5324
551.86molassesAIMTEC::BURDEN_DA bear in his natural habitatWed Nov 16 1994 16:134
551.87Restoration Projects9911::LEGERLOTZBMC has the inside track on outdoor fun!Wed Oct 18 1995 14:4523
551.88plan/resources/help/patience VMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyWed Oct 18 1995 15:2235
551.89AIMTEC::BURDEN_DA bear in his natural habitatWed Oct 18 1995 16:1318
551.90Spend a lot of time researching before you jump in and buy somethingNASEAM::READIOA Smith & Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman LocksWed Oct 18 1995 17:5914
551.912nd shift job & single, it was easy!BIRDIE::JGREENLiving beyond my emotional meansWed Oct 18 1995 18:2514
551.9243GMC::KEITHDr. DeuceMon Oct 23 1995 10:2218
551.93adviceROCCER::DUNTONWed Jul 10 1996 17:188
551.94need help with chrome plating repairQUAKKS::BURTONJim Burton, DTN 381-0272Mon Jul 29 1996 15:3814
551.95SOS is not good for chromeCPEEDY::BRADLEYChuck BradleyMon Jul 29 1996 16:149
551.96these were really bad lookingQUAKKS::BURTONJim Burton, DTN 381-0272Mon Jul 29 1996 19:129
551.97CSC32::BROOKMon Jul 29 1996 20:537
551.98 If it don't go, chrome it - or at least polish it!MKOTS3::VICKERSTue Jul 30 1996 14:349
551.99Paint for GM framesSTAR::HREADTue Jul 30 1996 18:0117
551.100fake chromeAIMTEC::STDBKR::Burden_dKeep Cool with CoolidgeWed Jul 31 1996 11:576
551.101more paint questionsROCCER::DUNTONMon Aug 05 1996 15:5112
551.102People in my town paint with a BrushSTRATA::LAMOTHEDon't Fear the Reaper's WifeMon Aug 05 1996 19:082
551.103POR-15POWDML::SELIGMon Aug 05 1996 20:4813
551.104Chrome over plasticMILKWY::UTTLEYIt won't mean a thing in 100 yearsMon Mar 03 1997 11:297
    Does anyone know of a company that does chrome plating over plastic?
    There is a section on my GTO dash that is supposed to be chromed, but
    the plating except for a few flakes here and there is long gone.  If I
    have no luck, I may try that chrome spray paint with a few coats of
    clear over it, but I would like to restore it to original if possible.
    
    Dave
551.105ZEKE::BURTONJim Burton, DTN 381-6470Mon Mar 03 1997 11:483
Eastwood Corp has a spray designed for that very purpose.

Jim
551.106Source?MILKWY::UTTLEYIt won't mean a thing in 100 yearsMon Mar 03 1997 12:514
    Thanks Jim.  Where would one find the Eastwood spray?  I've never seen
    it in stores.
    
    Dave
551.107ZEKE::BURTONJim Burton, DTN 381-6470Mon Mar 03 1997 13:153
They are in the Philadelphia area and have a 1-800 number as well.

Jim
551.108Back where I startedMILKWY::UTTLEYIt won't mean a thing in 100 yearsMon Mar 03 1997 17:228
    I found Eastwood's number, called them up, and was told that they do
    have a chrome paint, but it CANNOT be used over plastic.
    
    Oh well, I really wanted to have this thing plated anyhow, I was only
    thinking of the paint as a last resort.  So, back to the original
    question...Who chrome plates plastic parts?
    
    Dave
551.109HemmingsRHETT::BURDENA bear in his natural habitatMon Mar 03 1997 17:314
Look in any issue of Hemmings Motor News.  There are a few places in the
services section that advertize this.

Dave
551.110Don't have a HemmingsMILKWY::UTTLEYIt won't mean a thing in 100 yearsTue Mar 04 1997 13:477
    Since I have never seen an issue of Hemmings motor news or have a clue
    as to where to find one, I was wondering if someone who has one would
    be so kind as to glance at the ads and post a company name and phone
    number here.  I did find a name of one place, but they are in Ontario.
    There has got to be someone who is at least in the USA.
    
    Dave
551.111Hemmings info..TEKVAX::KOPECConsider a spherical chicken; ..Tue Mar 04 1997 13:516
    1.) www.hemmings.com
    2.) 1-800-car-here
    3.) 1-802-442-3101
    4.) Bennington, VT.
    
    ...tom
551.112"Chromed" plasticSTRATA::YACINOWed Mar 05 1997 15:502
    The "chrome" over plastic is actually aluminum, and there are a lot
    of places listed in Hemmings, Cars & Parts, etc.
551.113Real chromeMILKWY::UTTLEYIt won't mean a thing in 100 yearsWed Mar 05 1997 15:5811
    Actually, the chrome over plastic that I'm refering to is really
    chrome.  I saw an explanation of the process somewhere; they put down
    an electroless copper layer, than a layer of nickel and a layer of
    chrome, much like they do over metal.
    
    Gee, people keep on telling me that there are listings for this in
    Hemmings.  It would be wonderful if someone could actually tell me the
    name and number of one of these places, since I do not have a Hemmings
    and do not plan to subscribe.
    
    Dave
551.114try these guysZEKE::BURTONJim Burton, DTN 381-6470Wed Mar 05 1997 16:136
Call these people and ask who does chrome plating over plastic.  These guys
sell the supplies.

            http://www.peganet.com/dalmar/dalmar2.html

Jim
551.115friendly advice....CSC32::J_KALINOWSKIForget NAM?....NEVER!Wed Mar 05 1997 16:5116
    
    
        Dave...over the course of restoring this car, You will need to make
    literally hundreds of phone calls before the car is ever finished.
        Not having all your ducks in a row makes you a PITA when you want
    individual company names. A project like this REQUIRES you to get the
    publications like Hemmings Motor News. You simply have to do it or else
    your project will end up like hundreds of others in the Auto Trader
    in an add that looks like this.
    
                196X GTO project car
                many extras lost interest
                call Dave after 6pm
                weekdays Make an offer.
    
    -john
551.116try it...POLAR::FERGUSONRPROFESSORIThu Mar 06 1997 14:4114
    In addition to what .115 said, any REALLY heavy duty magazine/smoke
    shop will probably have single issues for sale so you can avoid having
    to subscribe.
    
    I too strongly recommend you buy at least one single issue. This brown
    paperbag like covered, very thick magazine (aprox. 600 pages) has a
    wealth of restoration resources that you really would be better off
    knowing about.
    
    It'll be the best $5 or 6 you ever spent.
    
    Regards,
    
    R.M.F. 
551.117Never MindMILKWY::UTTLEYIt won't mean a thing in 100 yearsThu Mar 06 1997 15:048
    I give up.  I'm sorry if I'm being viewed as a PITA.  I already have
    listings for NUMEROUS sources for parts and services, and am reasonably
    sure that I have everything that I need except for the one that I
    requested.  I thought I asked a simple question to which I received
    numerous non-answers.  I thought the purpose of this notes file was to
    exchange information that would be helpful to one another.  Silly me.
    
    Dave
551.118lets back-up a littleCSC32::J_KALINOWSKIForget NAM?....NEVER!Thu Mar 06 1997 15:4619
>                          I thought the purpose of this notes file was to                                              
>exchange information that would be helpful to one another.  Silly me.
    
        Aw don't be silly!  If you never did a resto project before, you
    are in for a real treat! You may think you have everything you need
    but trust me....You do not. For instance; Upholstery/door gaskets/and
    Welting clips. Do you know who hs the only COMPLETE collection in the
    United states? Its the Clip House located in colorado springs. I live
    here and the owner has told me countless stories of how people get on
    an airplane with broken pieces in hand, fly here just to buy these
    little things for a rare car, and then fly home-new parts in hand.
        The Clip House *has it* end of story. Not knowing these little
    things are what makes or breaks a resto project. If you don't have the
    automotive Bibles that point the way...you are basically screwed.
    Oh....and forget the internet. They have less than .01% of the info
    needed.  See what i'm getting at here? Just trying to help you. I think
    we all are.
    
    -john
551.119BUSY::SLABDon't drink the (toilet) waterThu Mar 06 1997 16:294
    
    	Speaking of upholstery, Dave, have you found those leather seats
    	you were looking for?
    
551.120RHETT::BURDENA bear in his natural habitatThu Mar 06 1997 16:453
You talkin' to *me*?...

Dave
551.121BUSY::SLABDon't drink the (toilet) waterThu Mar 06 1997 16:483
    
    	No, Mr. Uttley.
    
551.122enoughMILKWY::UTTLEYIt won't mean a thing in 100 yearsThu Mar 06 1997 16:4923
    Gee Shawn, your wit kills me.
    
    John, I really didn't want to go down a rat hole with this.  I've
    gotten a lot of help out of here, some from you specificly.  It has
    been much appreciated.  But, I feel that people are making a lot of
    assumptions.  I DO indeed have just about everything that I need.  I
    have a mountain of boxes of parts sitting in my basment, including hard
    to find little clips and trim pieces.  There are only a few little
    things that I still need, and I have already identified sources for
    them.  This is really not a difficult car to find parts for at all; 
    there are at least 4 suppliers that I've found that will sell you
    almost anything that you could ever want, and much stuff is still
    available from the local auto parts store.  IF I were working on
    something much older and rarer, I could certainly see your point, but
    it really doesn't apply in my case.  I ran into one little detail:
    I had never dealt with plating over plastic before, hence my original
    note many replies ago.  I did finally get the name of a place that does
    it, thanks to my manager who found an ad in some publication he had.
    BTW, the car is progressing very nicely, and will NEVER become one of
    those "lost interest" ads.  I fully intend to be driving it a few
    months from now.
    
    Dave
551.123CSC32::J_KALINOWSKIForget NAM?....NEVER!Thu Mar 06 1997 17:316
    
        Driving it in a few months?  Hell-I thought you were doing a full
    resto job! Oh well...I did just paint a motorcycle a few days ago, must
    be the paint fumes.
    
    -john
551.124CSC32::D_PELTONENThu Mar 06 1997 19:4813
    
    Hopefully without making the person that asked the question yet more
    defensive, might I point out that all that has ever seperated me from
    an issue of Hemmings was a $5 bill at the local book store? I don't
    subscribe, but sometimes need sources for old Chrysler parts. Having
    seen exactly how many places advertise services such as plating over
    plastic, I can see why folks here would tell you to get an issue of
    your own....there are literally hundreds of vendors out there. And
    once you've learned what you need, the ads for rare and exotic cars
    are always fun to browse. 
    
    DAP
      
551.125It must be the fumes :^)MILKWY::UTTLEYIt won't mean a thing in 100 yearsFri Mar 07 1997 10:2114
    No, I'm not doing a complete resto job.  Someone had started the job,
    got through the body work and paint, then sold it to another guy.  He
    started to reassemble it and bought a bunch of stuff then had to give
    up due to financial reasons.  By the time I came along and bought it, 
    a good ammount of the work was already done.  I did have to go back and
    redo some things that had been done in haste the first time, but I did
    not have to take the whole car apart.  At this point, it is about 75%
    done and I have loads of parts waiting to be installed.
    
    You will be happy to know that I now have a copy of Hemmings.  A kind
    person who has been reading my notes walked up to my office yesterday
    and handed me one.  
    
    Dave
551.126I think Media Play carries it..TEKVAX::KOPECConsider a spherical chicken; ..Fri Mar 07 1997 11:035
    Even though I don't have any resto projects going on, I occasionally
    pick up a copy of Hemmings (maybe once a year or so).. I just find it
    interesting reading.. ("Wow! there's a place that does *THAT*?")
    
    ...tom
551.127Lacquer over smooth aluminumMILKWY::UTTLEYIt won't mean a thing in 100 yearsWed Apr 02 1997 18:2218
    I am trying to get 4 lousy little anodized aluminum mouldings stripped
    down and re-anodized.  I have been calling around (yes, I looked some
    places up in Hemmings!) and found out that the people who can do this
    right charge a small fortune.  The cheapest price I got was about $200,
    and the guy said that the finish will not even look the same for that
    price.  I got some quotes that were nearly double!  This is crazy.
    
    Just for grins, I tried stripping a small section with sandpaper, then
    polished the bare aluminum with some 600 grit paper followed by rubbing
    compound.  It is a bit of work, but the result looks gorgeous.  I was
    thinking about stripping them all down like this, then spraying them
    over with a few coats of clear lacquer instead of having them anodized.
    I know that they won't be as durable, but they do not mount in an area
    where they are subject to abuse.  The only thing I was unsure of is how
    well the clear lacquer will adhere to the smooth shiney aluminum.  Has
    anyone ever tried this who can comment?
    
    Dave
551.128Eastwood Product: NylacPOWDML::SELIGWed Apr 02 1997 21:395
    Eastwood sells a product called Nylac that is a clearcoat specially
    formulated for using on polished metals. I havn't used it personally
    but I've been told by users that they have had good luck using it on 
    valve covers, manifolds, etc. Doesn't seem to yellow from heat/age
    either.
551.129ZEKE::BURTONJim Burton, DTN 381-6470Wed Apr 02 1997 22:577
RE: Nyalic

I've used it with good success.  The only problem is oil will attack the
finish somewhat.  I would stick to using it on trim pieces where it does a
wonderful job.

Jim
551.130This sounds like the stuffMILKWY::UTTLEYIt won't mean a thing in 100 yearsThu Apr 03 1997 11:416
    Excellent!   This is what I was hoping to hear.  I will give Eastwood a
    call and order a can of Nyalic.  The pieces that I'm trying to refinish
    are the reveal mouldings that run across the door and quarter along the
    glass, so they will be safe from oil.  
    
    Dave