Conference hbahba::cam_sports

    Oh yeah... as always, please use the lines that Tom so graciously
    puts in note 29.  
    
    Thank you and good luck!

	What?!  No picks from His Highness, Hal, or his sidekick, Groaner?



	billl

>    I sent my pick in Billl... and its a *HUGE* pick - guarenteed winner!
    
  Groaner bet on the Steelers.

	Keith

Here they are for week 1... if you haven't sent in your picks - you have until
game time....  And yes, Groaner did pick the Steelers...  but I just read that
this morning, so it was a pure guess by Keith - nothing suspicious here.

BSS::RIGGEN		Miami -9.5
WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M	Miami -9.5
MSBCS::BRYDIE		Miami -9.5
BIGQ::WEST		Atlanta -9
MUNDIS::SSHERMAN	SF -8.5
BIGQ::MCKAY		NO +8.5
CNTROL::CHILDS		GB -7
SHARE::DERRY		GB -7
ODIXIE::ZORGAN		GB -7
REK                     Indy -6.5
SALEM::DODA		Indy -6.5
HBAHBA::HAAS		Indy -6.5
CSC32::MENDEZ		Indy -6.5
SNAX::ERICKSON		Phila. -6.5
NETCAD::NISKALA		Phila. -6.5
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     Phila. -6.5
WMOIS::DUPREZ		Phila. -6.5
MIMS::ROLLINS_R		Dallas -6
CAM::WAY		Dallas -6
OUTSRC::HEISER		Dallas -6
AD::HEATH		Dallas -6
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF	Denver -5.5
MKOTS3::LONG		Steelers -5
ROCK::GRONOWSKI		Steelers -5
WMOIS::FASSETT_E	Oakland -4
ROCK::HUBER		Houston -3.5
WMOIS::MAZURKA		Houston -3.5
AKOCOA::BREEN		NE -3
GENRAL::WADE		Wash. +3
SPECXN::BROWN		KC even

Here are the winners and many losers (myself included) for week 1...  Bill 
needs to pick 2.

1-0

BSS::RIGGEN		Miami -9.5	Won 52-14 (Jets)
WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M	Miami -9.5              
MSBCS::BRYDIE		Miami -9.5              
BIGQ::MCKAY		NO +8.5         Lost 24-22 (Niners)
MIMS::ROLLINS_R		Dallas -6       Won 35-0 (Giants)
CAM::WAY		Dallas -6
OUTSRC::HEISER		Dallas -6
AD::HEATH		Dallas -6
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF	Denver -5.5     Won 22-7 (Bills)
WMOIS::FASSETT_E	Oakland -4      Won 17-7 (Chargers) 
ROCK::HUBER		Houston -3.5    Won 10-3 (Jags)
WMOIS::MAZURKA		Houston -3.5
GENRAL::WADE		Wash. +3        Won 27-7 (Arizona)
SPECXN::BROWN		KC even         Won 34-10 (Seattle)

0-1
BIGQ::WEST		Atlanta -9      Won 23-20 (Carolina)        
MUNDIS::SSHERMAN	SF -8.5         Won 24-22 (NO)        
CNTROL::CHILDS		GB -7           Lost 17-14 (Rams)
SHARE::DERRY		GB -7
ODIXIE::ZORGAN		GB -7
REK                     Indy -6.5       Lost 24-21 (Cincy)
SALEM::DODA		Indy -6.5
HBAHBA::HAAS		Indy -6.5
CSC32::MENDEZ		Indy -6.5
SNAX::ERICKSON		Phila. -6.5     Lost 21-6 (Tampa Bay)
NETCAD::NISKALA		Phila. -6.5
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     Phila. -6.5
WMOIS::DUPREZ		Phila. -6.5
MKOTS3::LONG		Steelers -5     Won 23-20 (Detriot)
ROCK::GRONOWSKI		Steelers -5

0-0 (needs to pick 2 nexted week)

AKOCOA::BREEN		NE -3           Won 17-14 (Browns)

    I was out for a couple of days - can I start a week late and pick two
    for Week 2?
    
    NAZZ

1-0

BSS::RIGGEN	        Phila. +3.5
WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M     KC -2.5	
MSBCS::BRYDIE	        SF -13.5
BIGQ::MCKAY	        Denver +10.5
MIMS::ROLLINS_R	        Oakland -5.5
CAM::WAY	        KC -2.5
OUTSRC::HEISER	        Chicago -3.5
AD::HEATH	        Jets +2.5
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       Chicago -3.5
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        KC -2.5
ROCK::HUBER	        NO +2.5
WMOIS::MAZURKA	        SD -8.5
GENRAL::WADE	        KC -2.5
SPECXN::BROWN	        Miami -1.5

0-1
BIGQ::WEST	      	Denver +10.5
MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        Oakland -5.5
CNTROL::CHILDS	        Cincy -7.5
SHARE::DERRY	        Atlanta +13.5
ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        Pitts. -6.5
REK                     Buffalo -9.5
SALEM::DODA		Cleveland -8.5	       
HBAHBA::HAAS	       
CSC32::MENDEZ	       
SNAX::ERICKSON		Pitts. -6.5	       
NETCAD::NISKALA	        Indy -2.5
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     KC -2.5
WMOIS::DUPREZ	        KC -2.5
MKOTS3::LONG	        Jags +7.5
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        Pitts. -6.5

0-0 (needs to pick 2)

AKOCOA::BREEN	       
SCOMAN::GARRY		Detriot +3.5 , Cleveland -8.5
TNPUBS::NAZZARO		KC -2.5 , NO +2.5

Week 2 results - I think they're all correct... let me know, if not.
    
2-0
MSBCS::BRYDIE	        SF -13.5        Won 41-10 (Falcons)
BIGQ::MCKAY	        Denver +10.5    Lost 31-21 (Dallas)
MIMS::ROLLINS_R	        Oakland -5.5    Won 20-8 (Washington)
BSS::RIGGEN	        Phila. +3.5	Won 31-19 (Cards)
WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M     KC -2.5	        Won 20-17 OT (Giants)
CAM::WAY	        KC -2.5
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        KC -2.5
GENRAL::WADE	        KC -2.5
SPECXN::BROWN	        Miami -1.5	Won 20-3 (NE)

1-1
BIGQ::WEST	      	Denver +10.5    Lost 31-21 (Dallas)
REK                     Buffalo -9.5    Won 31-9 (Carolina)
WMOIS::MAZURKA	        SD -8.5         Won 14-10 (Seattle)
SALEM::DODA		Cleveland -8.5	Won 22-6 (TB)       
MKOTS3::LONG	        Jags +7.5       Lost 24-17 (Cincy)
ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        Pitts. -6.5     Won 34-17 (Houston)
SNAX::ERICKSON		Pitts. -6.5	       
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        Pitts. -6.5
MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        Oakland -5.5	Won 20-8 (Washington)
OUTSRC::HEISER	        Chicago -3.5    Lost 27-24 (GB)
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       Chicago -3.5
AD::HEATH	        Jets +2.5	Lost 27-24 OT (Indy)
ROCK::HUBER	        NO +2.5         Lost 17-13 (Rams) 
NETCAD::NISKALA	        Indy -2.5	Won 27-24 OT (Jets)
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     KC -2.5         Won 20-17 OT (Giants)
WMOIS::DUPREZ	        KC -2.5
TNPUBS::NAZZARO		KC -2.5         Won 20-17 (Giants)  
			NO +2.5 	Lost 17-13 (Rams)
SCOMAN::GARRY		Det +3.5        Lost 20-10 (Minny)  
			Cleveland -8.5  Won 22-6 (TB)

0-2
SHARE::DERRY	        Atlanta +13.5   Lost 41-10 (SF)
CNTROL::CHILDS	        Cincy -7.5	Won 24-17 (Jags)

1-0 (Needs to pick 2)
SPIKED::SWEENEY		GB +3.5		Won 27-24 (Chicago)
AKOCOA::BREEN		GB +3.5       

0-1 (Needs to pick 2)
HBAHBA::HAAS	       
CSC32::MENDEZ	       

	sheesh, Groaner!  From the way you acted last year, I thought
	sure you two were joined at the hip.  If'n you don't know where
	he is, how would we?



	billl

    
    	He's probably still waiting for his crown to arrive....
    
    	Hey, what's REK doing in this contest?  Didn't he leave DEC?
    
    	Claybone

    Aren't Chappy and Way Giants fans?  What are they doing taking K.C.?
    
    Isn't there a be-true-to-your-school rule in this thing?  Even Groaner
    would never bet against Cleveland.

>                             -< Best laid plans.. >-
>
>    Aren't Chappy and Way Giants fans?  What are they doing taking K.C.?
>    
>    Isn't there a be-true-to-your-school rule in this thing?  Even Groaner
>    would never bet against Cleveland.


I don't know about Chappy, but I'm a Giants fan.

However, I wouldn't be playing KoH if I didn't want to try to do my
best. 

The SUREST bet that I could come up with was KC.  It worked, 'nuff said.

    Well I'm peeod because I was wrong and I hate to be wrong almost as
    much as you know who.  I tried to get the same spread as the vegas
    bookies would make and part of that has to do with betting preferences.
    
    So given the large NY betting population I figured 3 was plenty of
    incentive to get them to take the Giants which I felt should be what
    Sheridan was thinking.  Instead he went way up to 7 and made me look
    bad with my mentor TTom who's probably mad at me for my lousy spread.

    
    
       I ain't no steenkin Giant Fan....
    
    I bleed Silver and Black baby!!!

    
     but it ended as a 3 point game so you had it right and Sheridan had
     it way wrong.........

    
    when did you start bleeding silver and black Chappy???????
    
    

    
    
       Well I got my First Raider shirt when I was 8. So that would be
    73? Why???

>       Well I got my First Raider shirt when I was 8. So that would be
>    73? Why???

Sheesh, Chappy is still wet behind the ears.....



re the spread:

	I rarely, if ever, bet.  I know a little bit of how the spread
	works and what has to happen for me to win.

	I noticed in the paper that the line on sunday morning was 6 points.
	That was more than what we had in here.  But, our line was closed
	so everything worked out.


'Saw

    
    	Ok.....MOVE OUT OF THE WAY.....HERE COMES YOUR KING.....
    
    
    				H A L
    
    			    HAS ARRIVED....
    
    
    	Big wins this week by the Browns, Miami and the Rams take the
    undefeated streak to a new level.....
    
    	Squeelers will go down in shame and out of the chase for the
    Central crown.
    
    
    	YOUR KING
    		Hal

    
    Sorry if this is the wrong place, I just want to get my picks in. 
    Since I was on vacation the first two weeks, my three picks are:
    
    	giants +6.5
    	pats +11.5
    	rams -3.5
    
    Marc
    

Remember - you have until game time to send 'em in...  Good luck!
    
2-0
MSBCS::BRYDIE	        
BIGQ::MCKAY	        Rams -3.5
MIMS::ROLLINS_R	        TB even
BSS::RIGGEN	        Dallas -8
WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M     Cleveland -7.5
CAM::WAY	        GB -6.5
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        Chicago even
GENRAL::WADE	        Rams -3.5
SPECXN::BROWN	        Raiders +2 

1-1
BIGQ::WEST	      	Carolina +3.5
REK                     SF -11.5
WMOIS::MAZURKA	        
SALEM::DODA		
MKOTS3::LONG	        Miami -7
ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        Giants +6.5
SNAX::ERICKSON		Raiders +2
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        Cleveland -7.5
MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        Dallas -8
OUTSRC::HEISER	        
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       Pitts. +7
AD::HEATH	        Raiders +2
ROCK::HUBER	        Rams -3.5
NETCAD::NISKALA	        GB -6.5
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     Cleveland -7.5
WMOIS::DUPREZ	        Miami -7
TNPUBS::NAZZARO		Cleveland -7.5
SCOMAN::GARRY		KC -2

0-2
SHARE::DERRY	        Buffalo -4
CNTROL::CHILDS	        SF -11.5

1-0 (Needs to pick 2)
SPIKED::SWEENEY		Dallas -8 , Miami -7
AKOCOA::BREEN		Jets -7 , Chicago even

0-1 (Needs to pick 2)
HBAHBA::HAAS	        Rams -3.5 , Jets -7
CSC32::MENDEZ	        SD +2 , Raiders +2

0-0 
SUBPAC::WHITEHAIR	Cleveland -7.5 , Rams -3.5 , Miami -7
CSC32::MACGREGOR	NE +11.5 , Giants +6.5 , Rams -3.5

Hey where's my picks?  I cain't rememeber who they were, but they were damn 
good.  Went 3-0 lasted week.

brews

    Brews - I didn't think you were serious but I'll use your picks since
    you're 2-0 going into tonight.
    
    His picks were KC -2.5, Rams -3.5 and Miami -7.

Heck,  I told you they couldn't be any worse than something I actually 
thought about (and I was right).  

Where's this week's line so I can pick next week's?  ^)
                                                     
brews 

>Where's this week's line so I can pick next week's?  ^)

I usually wait until Tuesday, maybe Wednesday afore posting The Line.

The lines for the teams that play Monday night usually changes somewhat
on Monday.

Also, if'n I post 'em more than once, will have all manner of LDUCs on
which of 'em to use ;-).

TTom

You're confused, TTom.  I used last week's line to picks this week's, but 
meant last week's when I said this week's I meant last week's cause this week 
really isn't over yet in an NFL sense.  OK?

Brews

Wail, excpept for the Steelhaid and Fish fans, this week is over.

And for some teams, the season is already over (Can you say da Gints?)
but the KOH is not over until everyone gets the 3 count or the season
ends whichever comes sooner or later.

Speaking of the three strikes and you're out rule, this is the firsted
time in a long time thised noter has made it past week 3. My perfect
record streak of 3 losses in 3 weeks has been broken.

TTom

Here they are after week 3 - you can get the scores from SCOREBOARD.
    
3-0
MSBCS::BRYDIE		Miami -7	
BIGQ::MCKAY	        Rams -3.5	
GENRAL::WADE	        Rams -3.5
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        Chicago even    
CAM::WAY	        GB -6.5		
AKOCOA::BREEN		Jets -7 , Chicago even      
SWAM1::MAY_BR		KC -2.5 , Rams -3.5 , Miami -7

2-1
MIMS::ROLLINS_R	        TB even		
BSS::RIGGEN	        Dallas -8	
WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M     Cleveland -7.5  
SPECXN::BROWN	        Raiders +2      
REK                     SF -11.5	
ROCK::HUBER	        Rams -3.5       
NETCAD::NISKALA	        GB -6.5         
SCOMAN::GARRY		KC -2           
HBAHBA::HAAS		Rams -3.5 , Jets -7  
MKOTS3::LONG	        Miami -7	
WMOIS::DUPREZ	        Miami -7
SPIKED::SWEENEY		Dallas -8 , Miami -7
SUBPAC::WHITEHAIR	Cleveland -7.5 , Rams -3.5 , Miami -7

1-2
BIGQ::WEST	      	Carolina +3.5   
ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        Giants +6.5     
SNAX::ERICKSON		Raiders +2      
AD::HEATH	        Raiders +2
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        Cleveland -7.5  
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     Cleveland -7.5
TNPUBS::NAZZARO		Cleveland -7.5
MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        Dallas -8       
SHARE::DERRY	        Buffalo -4	
CNTROL::CHILDS	        SF -11.5        
CSC32::MENDEZ		SD +2 , Raiders +2
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       Pitts. +7	
CSC32::MACGREGOR	Rams +3.5 , NE +11.5 , Giants +6.5

1-1 (Needs to pick 2)
WMOIS::MAZURKA	        
SALEM::DODA	
OUTSRC::HEISER	        
    

Here they are after week 3 - you can get the scores from SCOREBOARD.
    
|3-0
|MSBCS::BRYDIE		Miami -7	
|BIGQ::MCKAY	        Rams -3.5	
|GENRAL::WADE	        Rams -3.5
|WMOIS::FASSETT_E        Chicago even    
|CAM::WAY	        GB -6.5		
|AKOCOA::BREEN		Jets -7 , Chicago even      
|SWAM1::MAY_BR		KC -2.5 , Rams -3.5 , Miami -7


Boy, as I look around the top of this hill I find myself in some GOOD company.
Some GOOD prognosticators...

Tommy made what I considered to be a very ballsy bet the week his picked San
Fran to destroy Atlanta -- I figured Atlanta might beat that spread.

IMJIMBO is here.  Billte who probably remembers the very first NFL game.

My main Claybone, probably waitin' for elk season so he needs somethin' to
do.  

The indomitable Brews, and Fast Eddie...

Wow.  I'm rubbing shoulders with greatness all around...

You guys all do it the easy way.  Try to pick THree winners in one week.  
Guess I can take off for the next 2 weeks now.  8^)

brews

    And I think this is the firsted year that there weren't any 0-3
    losers...  I did try, though.

    
    	You were sandbaggin' Bruce!  You waited until week 3 to try
    	and figure out which teams were for real.  If you win, we're
    	gonna put a_asterisk by your name.  The shame!  :*)
    
    	Claybone

>SCOMAN::GARRY		Oakland -6.5
>HBAHBA::HAAS		Oakland -6.5

Copy cat!

I'll take KC.  Kinda nice only having to pick one, with all the buys.

brews

Here they are - as always, you have until game time to send 'em in.  
Good luck!

3-0
MSBCS::BRYDIE		TB -2.5
BIGQ::MCKAY	        
GENRAL::WADE	        Pitts. -4.5
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        KC +3.5
CAM::WAY	        
AKOCOA::BREEN		Jets +5.5
SWAM1::MAY_BR		KC +3.5

2-1
MIMS::ROLLINS_R	        Atlanta -5.5
BSS::RIGGEN	        SF -10.5
WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M     Dallas -13.5
SPECXN::BROWN	        SD -3.5
REK                     Cleveland -3.5
ROCK::HUBER	        GB -10.5
NETCAD::NISKALA	        SF -10.5
SCOMAN::GARRY		Oakland -6.5
HBAHBA::HAAS		Oakland -6.5
MKOTS3::LONG	        SD -3.5
WMOIS::DUPREZ	        SF -10.5
SPIKED::SWEENEY		Denver +3.5
SUBPAC::WHITEHAIR	Cleveland -3.5

1-2
BIGQ::WEST	 	Chicago +1.5     	
ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        
SNAX::ERICKSON		Chicago +1.5
AD::HEATH	        Chicago +1.5
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     GB -10.5
TNPUBS::NAZZARO		
MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        Rams -1.5
SHARE::DERRY	        Cleveland -3.5
CNTROL::CHILDS	        
CSC32::MENDEZ		
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       Pitts. -4.5
CSC32::MACGREGOR	

1-1 (Needs to pick 2)
WMOIS::MAZURKA	        Cleveland -3.5 , Washington +2.5
SALEM::DODA	
OUTSRC::HEISER	        Oakland -6.5 , GB -10.5

0-0
MKOTS4::STORY		Washington +2.5, Chicago +1.5, Denver +3.5, KC +3.5

>
>0-0
>MKOTS4::STORY		Washington +2.5, Chicago +1.5, Denver +3.5, KC +3.5
>

 Umm, who are you picking this coming weekend ?

    Wow.  Brutal... but he ain't alone.  (-:
    
    And then there's Tommy - all by his lonesome at 4-0.

    Wow, Tommy - outstanding.  I was just thinking about you yesterday when
    I saw that Pat Buchanan was scheduled to stop by my favorite
    video,orange juice and newspaper mart at 10 am.  Across the street is a
    cow pasture and I really wanted to get a count of people vs cows
    
    Now to speak of a weigh in of cow vs bull sh*t after he's done his
    flapping and the cows the same

>
>    Wow, Tommy - outstanding.  I was just thinking about you yesterday when
>    I saw that Pat Buchanan was scheduled to stop by my favorite
>    video,orange juice and newspaper mart at 10 am.  Across the street is a
>    cow pasture and I really wanted to get a count of people vs cows
>    


Hey, Tommy's alone for now, but only because I had to unexpectedly take
Friday off and couldn't get my pick in.

Nexted week, Tommy and I will be sittin' in the catbird seat at 5-0.
You can take that to the bank....


'SAw

    Everyone who missed picking on Friday should take someone in tonight's
    game.  Yeah, yeah.

    Unbelievable !
    
    

    Karen,
    
    Did you ever get my pick?  Sent it twice on Friday.
    
    UMDan
    

Hey, I'm going to do what everyone else does....  I missed a week, I'll
pick TWO next week.....

8^PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPpp

    Haven't seen mail from you, Dan.  Tell me who you picked, I trust ya.
    (-:

    Being the honest soul that I am, I had the 'Skins and 2 1/2.  
    
    I think I'm three and out.  Just a lousy six points against the bucs.
    
    UMDan

4-0
MSBCS::BRYDIE		TB -2.5

3-1
WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M     Dallas -13.5
SCOMAN::GARRY		Oakland -6.5
HBAHBA::HAAS		Oakland -6.5
MIMS::ROLLINS_R	        Atlanta -5.5
AKOCOA::BREEN		Jets +5.5
GENRAL::WADE	        Pitts. -4.5
REK                     Cleveland -3.5
SUBPAC::WHITEHAIR	Cleveland -3.5
SPECXN::BROWN	        SD -3.5
MKOTS3::LONG	        SD -3.5
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        KC +3.5
SWAM1::MAY_BR		KC +3.5

2-2
ROCK::HUBER	        GB -10.5
BSS::RIGGEN	        SF -10.5
NETCAD::NISKALA	        SF -10.5
WMOIS::DUPREZ	        SF -10.5
OUTSRC::HEISER	        Oakland -6.5 , GB -10.5
SHARE::DERRY	        Cleveland -3.5
WMOIS::MAZURKA	        Cleveland -3.5 , Washington +2.5
SPIKED::SWEENEY		Denver +3.5
MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        Rams -1.5

X-OUT
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     GB -10.5
CNTROL::CHILDS		SF -10.5
CSC32::MENDEZ		SF -10.5
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       Pitts. -4.5
MKOTS4::STORY		Washington +2.5, Chicago +1.5, Denver +3.5, KC +3.5
ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        Washington +2.5
BIGQ::WEST	 	Chicago +1.5     	
SNAX::ERICKSON		Chicago +1.5
AD::HEATH	        Chicago +1.5

3-0 (Needs to pick 2)
BIGQ::MCKAY	        
CAM::WAY	        

1-2 (Needs to pick 2)
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        
TNPUBS::NAZZARO		
CSC32::MACGREGOR	

1-1 (Needs to pick 3)
SALEM::DODA	

The ATLANTA-new england game has moved to 3.

Should we use that for KOH?

TTom

    Alright, we'll use the NE +3 line.  

I think that's the fairest.

Wait a minute, we don't need no steenkin fairness ;-).

TTom

Gotta get this done when I can.  I'll take the Lambs this'd week.

brews

4-0
MSBCS::BRYDIE		NE +3	

3-1
WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M     Cleveland -7.5
SCOMAN::GARRY		Indy -2.5
HBAHBA::HAAS		Cleveland -7.5
MIMS::ROLLINS_R	        
AKOCOA::BREEN		NE +3
GENRAL::WADE	        KC -1.5
REK                     TB -6.5
SUBPAC::WHITEHAIR	Cleveland -7.5
SPECXN::BROWN	        SD +2.5
MKOTS3::LONG	        Atlanta -3
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        SD +2.5
SWAM1::MAY_BR		Rams +2.5

2-2
ROCK::HUBER  		TB -6.5	        
BSS::RIGGEN	        SD +2.5
NETCAD::NISKALA	       	TB -6.5 
WMOIS::DUPREZ	        Rams +2.5
OUTSRC::HEISER	        Raiders -7.5
SHARE::DERRY	        TB -6.5
WMOIS::MAZURKA	        
SPIKED::SWEENEY		SD +2.5
MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        Dallas -13.5

3-0 (Needs to pick 2)
BIGQ::MCKAY	        Cincy +10.5 , NO -2.5
CAM::WAY	     	NE +3 , SF -14.5   

1-2 (Needs to pick 2)
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        
TNPUBS::NAZZARO		SF -14.5 , Seattle +3.5
CSC32::MACGREGOR	

1-1 (Needs to pick 3)
SALEM::DODA	        Dallas -13.5 , Phila. +2.5 , Raiders -7.5

X-OUT
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     CNTROL::CHILDS		CSC32::MENDEZ		
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       MKOTS4::STORY		ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        
BIGQ::WEST	 	SNAX::ERICKSON		AD::HEATH	        

    
    	Mr. 4-0 will surely go down this weekend!
    
    
    	Your King.....HAL

	Kice KOD there, king.

    I want to play
    :(
    
    

Half a lousy f&^%&^$ing point!

>    welcome to the club, 'Saw

For some inane reason, when I was watching the game I thought the line I "bet"
on for KoH was 14.  I knew they tied that and I thought I remembered that a tie
was as good as win in here.

But then I saw that it was 14.5....


Man, that Dan Reeves messed me up again 8^)

> ... I'll take Cleveland tonight.

Wail, that about locks it up for me ;-)

TTom

    
    Hmm, forgot to pick on Friday.  Guess I'll make two picks tonight then
    8^) 
    
    I'll take Cleveland for my first pick.
    
    For my second one, I take Dan over Al, giving the 3 insults.
    
    Marc
    

4-1
BIGQ::MCKAY	        Cincy +10.5 , NO -2.5
REK                     TB -6.5
MKOTS3::LONG	        Atlanta -3
MSBCS::BRYDIE		NE +3	
SCOMAN::GARRY		Indy -2.5
GENRAL::WADE	        KC -1.5

3-2
SALEM::DODA	        Dallas -13.5 , Phila. +2.5 , Raiders -7.5
CAM::WAY	     	NE +3 , SF -14.5   
WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M     Cleveland -7.5
HBAHBA::HAAS		Cleveland -7.5
SUBPAC::WHITEHAIR	Cleveland -7.5
OUTSRC::HEISER	        Raiders -7.5
SHARE::DERRY	        TB -6.5
ROCK::HUBER  		TB -6.5	        
NETCAD::NISKALA	       	TB -6.5 
AKOCOA::BREEN		NE +3
SPECXN::BROWN	        SD +2.5
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        SD +2.5
SWAM1::MAY_BR		Rams +2.5

3-1 (Needs to pick 2)
MIMS::ROLLINS_R	     

X-OUT
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     CNTROL::CHILDS		CSC32::MENDEZ		
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       MKOTS4::STORY		ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        
BIGQ::WEST	 	SNAX::ERICKSON		AD::HEATH	        
BSS::RIGGEN	        WMOIS::DUPREZ	        WMOIS::MAZURKA	        
SPIKED::SWEENEY		MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        TNPUBS::NAZZARO		
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        CSC32::MACGREGOR	

>CAM::WAY	     	NE +3 , SF -14.5   


damn f(*&(*&ing half a point!

	Yunz need to stay on that Brown(spot)s bandwagon. ;^)



	billl

4-1
BIGQ::MCKAY	        
REK                     Buffalo -7.5
MKOTS3::LONG	        NE +3.5
MSBCS::BRYDIE		Giants -4.5
SCOMAN::GARRY		Seattle +9.5
GENRAL::WADE	        Buffalo -7.5

3-2
SALEM::DODA	        
CAM::WAY	     	Cards +4.5
WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M     
HBAHBA::HAAS		Buffalo -7.5
SUBPAC::WHITEHAIR	Miami -10.5
OUTSRC::HEISER	        Oakland -9.5
SHARE::DERRY	        Dallas -6.5
ROCK::HUBER  		Dallas -6.5
NETCAD::NISKALA	       	Vikes -10.5
AKOCOA::BREEN		
SPECXN::BROWN	        GB -6.5
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        Dallas -6.5
SWAM1::MAY_BR		

3-1 (Needs to pick 2)
MIMS::ROLLINS_R	     	Buffalo -7.5 , Oakland -9.5

X-OUT
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     CNTROL::CHILDS		CSC32::MENDEZ		
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       MKOTS4::STORY		ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        
BIGQ::WEST	 	SNAX::ERICKSON		AD::HEATH	        
BSS::RIGGEN	        WMOIS::DUPREZ	        WMOIS::MAZURKA	        
SPIKED::SWEENEY		MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        TNPUBS::NAZZARO		
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        CSC32::MACGREGOR	

	Dammit, my 3rd engine just quit on me.  Okay, I'm gonna have
	to ride her down -- forgot to pick up a parachute before I
	took off.....

	Okay, okay, let's see....get the attitude set for maximum glide
	angle...look for a field down there....oh-oh, nothing but trees
	and rocks...   Guess it's gonna be a hard landing...

	Alright, find the thinnest bunch of trees....  Here's goes!


	*****WHAM  WHAM WHAM *************


	ugh!  Man, that's the last time I fly Arizona Airlines....



When they went to overtime, I was congratulating myself on my prognostication
prowess.  I figured a FG wins it for the Giants, and I still cover my
KoH pick.

Damn Armstead anyway.

3-2
SUBPAC::WHITEHAIR	Miami -10.5

    Yup.  The KING is dead... as dead as the Sox and Yanks.

    
    	So when is the royal funeral?
    
    Claybone

5-1
MIMS::ROLLINS_R	     	Oakland -9.5 , Buffalo -7.5
REK                     Buffalo -7.5
GENRAL::WADE	        Buffalo -7.5
MSBCS::BRYDIE		Giants -4.5
BIGQ::MCKAY	        Cincy +3.5

4-2
OUTSRC::HEISER	        Oakland -9.5
SCOMAN::GARRY		Seattle +9.5
HBAHBA::HAAS		Buffalo -7.5
SHARE::DERRY	        Dallas -6.5
ROCK::HUBER  		Dallas -6.5
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        Dallas -6.5
MKOTS3::LONG	        NE +3.5

3-2 (Needs to pick 2)
SALEM::DODA	        
WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M     
AKOCOA::BREEN		
SWAM1::MAY_BR		

X-OUT
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     CNTROL::CHILDS		CSC32::MENDEZ		
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       MKOTS4::STORY		ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        
BIGQ::WEST	 	SNAX::ERICKSON		AD::HEATH	        
BSS::RIGGEN	        WMOIS::DUPREZ	        WMOIS::MAZURKA	        
SPIKED::SWEENEY		MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        TNPUBS::NAZZARO		
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        CSC32::MACGREGOR	CAM::WAY	     	
SUBPAC::WHITEHAIR	NETCAD::NISKALA	       	SPECXN::BROWN	        

At least your airline got off the ground...

MKOTS3::LONG            NE +3.5



billl

>
>    'Saw, I should've warned ya.  Cards sip.
>

So do the Giants.  After watching the Cards play Dallas a couple back I figured
no way do the Giants beat them by 4.5.  I figured a FG max.  Going into the OT
I'm figuring okay, no matter who wins here I win.  I figure what are the
chances that the Giants get it into the end zone, never mind grabbing and inty
and running it back...

Oh well....  Since Parcells left the Giants I've learned to expect
disappointment from them....


'Saw

    
      So what lines are we using this week?

    Tommy,
    	I'll post the Glove line in pool_95 and repost here. 
    
    

>>AKOCOA::BREEN           Jets -1.5 , NE +7.5
				      ^^^^^^^
	Some folks just never learn!



	billl

    And some folks shoulda stayed away from the Rams game lasted night...
    It's goodbye time for ROCK::HUBER and WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M (just like
    the Yanks).

Bruce - get those picks in!!  Good luck all!
    
5-1
MSBCS::BRYDIE		GB -3.5
GENRAL::WADE	        Detriot +3.5
MIMS::ROLLINS_R	     	Oakland -3
REK                     Oakland -3
BIGQ::MCKAY	        Vikes -2

4-2
HBAHBA::HAAS		Buffalo -7.5
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        Miami -6.5
SHARE::DERRY	        Oakland -3
MKOTS3::LONG	        Oakland -3
OUTSRC::HEISER	        Oakland -3
SCOMAN::GARRY		Vikes -2

3-2 (Needs to pick 2)
AKOCOA::BREEN		Jets -1.5 , NE +7.5
SALEM::DODA	        Oakland -3 , Vikes -2
SWAM1::MAY_BR		

X-OUT
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     CNTROL::CHILDS		CSC32::MENDEZ		
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       MKOTS4::STORY		ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        
BIGQ::WEST	 	SNAX::ERICKSON		AD::HEATH	        
BSS::RIGGEN	        WMOIS::DUPREZ	        WMOIS::MAZURKA	        
SPIKED::SWEENEY		MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        TNPUBS::NAZZARO		
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        CSC32::MACGREGOR	CAM::WAY	     	
SUBPAC::WHITEHAIR	NETCAD::NISKALA	       	SPECXN::BROWN	        
ROCK::HUBER		WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M       		

Wow!  I've made it to the final 14!  Truely a grand feat for me.


billl

	...or at least the best pick available against the spread.



	billl

    
Folks,

	I went with Detroit because I thought (silly me) that they
	were at home getting 3.5 (see below).  I figured they were
	rollin' after beating SF and drubbing the Browns at home.
	I about choked when I looked up at the TV from my paper and 
	they were playing this game at Lambeau Field.  

	Can I have a do over?  :^)

Claybone

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

                <<< CAM::$1$DUA5:[NOTES$LIBRARY]SPORTS.NOTE;1 >>>
                                  -< SPORTS >-
================================================================================
Note 29.877                         The Line                          877 of 879
AKOCOA::BREEN "Onions, Tortellini and Thou"          26 lines  11-OCT-1995 14:13
                          -< CORRECT POSTING OF LINE >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
              -< pool lines without the 1/2s unless vegas had'em >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Since we play ties here I only used the 1/2 where the glove had it.  Also,
    the Dallas - San Diego line is mine - there wasn't any posted.

Thursday  12-Oct-95
(H)RAMS       ATLA        3 

Sunday  15-Oct-95
(H)PHOE       WASH        2 1/2          
(H)BUFF       SEAT        7 1/2          
(A)CHIC       JVIL        7 1/2          
(A)DALL       S.D.        8 1/2          
(A)G.B.       DETR        3 1/2  
(H)GIAN       PHIL        3 
(A)JETS       CARO        1 1/2          
(H)K.C.       PATS        7 1/2          
(A)MIAM       N.O.        6 1/2          
(A)MINN       T.B.        2 
(A)S.F.       INDY       10 

Monday  16-Oct-95
(A)RAID       DENV        3  


    

Hey, I din't know that Buffola would let Chris Warren score a meaningless
TD at the end and not cover.

Can I pick again ;-).

TTom

I think because the line was in error, and further, because TTom didn't make a
remote hookup from Elbow Cay to fix it, that Claybone should get a do-over.

Make him pick TWO this week and both have to be right for him to continue.


What say ye?


'Saw

    Claybone, tsk, tsk.....
    
    Have you heard the expression "just play along at home"  8*)
    
    Detroit got smoked final score was no indication of the pasting
    Green Bay put on them.
    
    Jimbo

However, it took a_interception during the lasted series to preserve this
cover.

Buffalo, Kansas City and Chicago were less fortunate as Seattle, New
England and Jacksonville all scored late to clinch the Did Not Cover for
these favorites.

TTom

    
    
       Hey the Rams dominated them Falcons I should get a do over!!

    
    
       Yabbut I wouldn't be If I had a do over like ClayBone??
    
    
    
    Chap

    Well the Globe was the one that was wrong on the GB-Detr game, I even
    double checked.  Unfortunately we have to play'em as we find them but
    then again Ms Derry is the final authority in all matters koh.
    
    Then again these eyes have seen the glory but not much else in fine
    print these days, first take glasses off, then put them back on, then
    try just the bi-focals, finally get the magnifying glass from the
    Oxford English dictionary on the shelf.
    
    btw, got a good one for yas when I get over to the junk note

    
    	Well golly.  Thanks for the compassion guys.  I'm gonna go
    	whine to Karen!  :^)
    
    Claybone

Hey Clay, I told you these guys wouldn't give you no compassion.

Karen might though.  


Bill, I know what you mean about that glasses!

    
    	They're just skeert!

    Clay, I was compassionate on Friday when I offered you the -6 instead
    of the -8.5 in the Dallas game...  you shoulda took it.  (-:
    
    Though, if Oakland doesn't cover tonight, maybe we'll have all a
    'do over.'

6-1
MSBCS::BRYDIE		GB -3.5

5-2
GENRAL::WADE	        Detriot +3.5
BIGQ::MCKAY	        Vikes -2
MIMS::ROLLINS_R	     	Oakland -3
REK                     Oakland -3

3-2 (Needs to pick 3)
SWAM1::MAY_BR		

X-OUT
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     CNTROL::CHILDS		CSC32::MENDEZ		
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       MKOTS4::STORY		ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        
BIGQ::WEST	 	SNAX::ERICKSON		AD::HEATH	        
BSS::RIGGEN	        WMOIS::DUPREZ	        WMOIS::MAZURKA	        
SPIKED::SWEENEY		MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        TNPUBS::NAZZARO		
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        CSC32::MACGREGOR	CAM::WAY	     	
SUBPAC::WHITEHAIR	NETCAD::NISKALA	       	SPECXN::BROWN	        
ROCK::HUBER		WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M     HBAHBA::HAAS		
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        SCOMAN::GARRY		AKOCOA::BREEN		
SALEM::DODA	        MKOTS3::LONG	        OUTSRC::HEISER	        
SHARE::DERRY	        

    
    	It ain't fair!  I don't live/work close enough to Karen
    	to pay her off....
    
    Claybone

>    
>    	It ain't fair!  I don't live/work close enough to Karen
>    	to pay her off....
>    


Well, while I don't agree wif da ruling, Claybone, I guess you'll just have
to take it like a main.....

    I just sent Clay mail and told him that I could have been swayed to
    give him another shot had the lose caused him to be eliminated but
    since he's still alive and I'm not, he's sol.
    
    I wouldn't have gotten any special treatment had it been me but I
    would have whined more.  (-:

Shame on me.  I thought he was eliminated.


Claybone -- take it like a main!

    
    	I will.....as soon as I'm done pouting.
    
    Claybone

    
    I don't think we can wait that long!

    
    	Hey Cad, who's your pick this week?  Oh, that's right, you're
    	out!  :^)

>    Technically Hal is the king until only one contestant remains.  Hail
>    Hal, king of the hill.

Yeah, right.

Technically, the King has been killed off.  They haven't found the rightful
heir to the throne yet, so the throne is vacant.  Karen, IMO, by the rights of
ascension to the throne, is the steward.  


There is a technical term for that -- when a rightful heir is not apparent, yet
there is no king, and someone sits on the throne for the king or queen, but
I'll be damned if I can get this old brain to pull it up.

I'll have to go with steward for now....
    

    
    'Saw,
    
    	 That would be the HMFWIC.......

    
      Graoner, while you're un here, can you explain to me what
     kind of braindead baseball fans bring pom-poms to a *baseball*
     game? I realize you Clevelanders are new at this baseball fan 
     thing but really.

    Steward is the correct word as far as I can see, 'Saw.  Tolkein used it
    and I've seen it elsewhere.  Now that I think of it I see what you're
    talking about where a king/queen hasn't come of age and someone is
    standing in...  and I can't get it now either.
    
    Of course some say our last king never came of age...

>
>    Steward is the correct word as far as I can see, 'Saw.  Tolkein used it
>    and I've seen it elsewhere.  Now that I think of it I see what you're
>    talking about where a king/queen hasn't come of age and someone is
>    standing in...  and I can't get it now either.
>    
>    Of course some say our last king never came of age...


I was thinking of steward, but you may be right, there may be another name
that's used when a king hasn't come of age.

I might have to dig out my book on British Kings and Queens and see if it is in
there....


Sometimes my brain feels 400 years old, though, I must say!

	The term is regent.

Thank you.

I didn't get a chance to pull out my book last night, but that's the term I was
looking for although I'd have used it wrong if I had remembered it.

Steward was the term applicable to my use.


'Saw

    
    
      They haven't had blow up dolls in years.
    
    Jerry

    
       Groaner, shouldn't you be somehwhere lighting candles for poor 
      Slider or scouting out where you can buy those neato pom-poms
      that all the lifelong (read: since this season) Indians fans
       have.

Why is the guy writing this:

>================================================================================
>Note 27.9391               Honorary Mike JN Junk Note               9391 of 9393
>ROCK::GRONOWSKI "the dream is always the same..."    13 lines  18-OCT-1995 16:19
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
 ...    
>    Can we get back to the real biting issues in sports - like 
>    which team sucks worse and why, and which team has never
>    won a <enter league name> championship.


Also writing:

>================================================================================
>Note 237.125                        KOH 1995                          125 of 127
>ROCK::GRONOWSKI "the dream is always the same..."     3 lines  18-OCT-1995 16:13
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    
>    re: .124 Of course not, Tommy bought up the entire inventory in the
>    Northeast a couple of years back.

and this:

>================================================================================
>Note 237.127                        KOH 1995                          127 of 127
>ROCK::GRONOWSKI "the dream is always the same..."     6 lines  18-OCT-1995 17:37
>                  -< poor Tommy, a loser his entire life... >-
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    
>    Has anyone ever seen Mike Heiser and Tommy Brydie together, because
>    either they are the same person or they are identical twins!  I
>    personally think its the same person noting from two different
>    accounts.

Since Tommy took tonight's game...
    
6-1
MSBCS::BRYDIE		Cincy +7.5

5-2
GENRAL::WADE	        
BIGQ::MCKAY	        
MIMS::ROLLINS_R	     	Buffalo -1.5
REK                     

3-2 (Needs to pick 3)
SWAM1::MAY_BR		

X-OUT
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     CNTROL::CHILDS		CSC32::MENDEZ		
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       MKOTS4::STORY		ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        
BIGQ::WEST	 	SNAX::ERICKSON		AD::HEATH	        
BSS::RIGGEN	        WMOIS::DUPREZ	        WMOIS::MAZURKA	        
SPIKED::SWEENEY		MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        TNPUBS::NAZZARO		
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        CSC32::MACGREGOR	CAM::WAY	     	
SUBPAC::WHITEHAIR	NETCAD::NISKALA	       	SPECXN::BROWN	        
ROCK::HUBER		WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M     HBAHBA::HAAS		
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        SCOMAN::GARRY		AKOCOA::BREEN		
SALEM::DODA	        MKOTS3::LONG	        OUTSRC::HEISER	        
SHARE::DERRY	        

Very aggressive to take tonight's game, Tommy.  You're a bold man.  You zig
when they zag.  :-)

If you win, it's big-time pressure on your competitors!

    
    Tommy's over-confident in the Steelers inability to score points.
    He forgets that the defense can score too.........
    
    
    mike 

It was bad enough when I had to take 3 on a full schedule, hopefully I'll 
have the same luck:

Carolina
Det
Buff

brews

    
  >> Tommy's over-confident in the Steelers inability to score points.
  >> He forgets that the defense can score too.........
    
     I didn't want to jinx myself by saying anything yesterday and
     I probably shouldn't now BUT with Cincy's offense I really don't 
     think there are three teams in the entire league that I'd take 
     giving the Bengals 7 1/2 points. Certainly not a team with Pittsburg's
     offensive problems. I'd take Cincy's offense over ours (Patriots)
     in a heartbeat.

And Tommy has now turned the screws on his opponents - a *tremendous*
psychological advantage!  :-)

I think we're gonna have to start investigating Tommy.  I think he must
have some insider trading type stuff going on here.

Either that, or HE'S receiving messages from the mother ship!  

Nobody is this good 8^)



Seriously, congrats Tommy....

I know I'm out of it, but for fun I'm making my pick:


		Bye (over Giants) +14.5


hth,
'Saw

    Tommy's even better than Hal.

Actually, I don't remember anyone having that good of a record for this long.

We might be looking at the all-time best happening here....

7-1
MSBCS::BRYDIE		Cincy +7.5

5-2
REK                     Chicago -8.5
MIMS::ROLLINS_R	     	Buffalo -1.5
GENRAL::WADE	        Denver -1.5
BIGQ::MCKAY	        

3-2 (Needs to pick 3)
SWAM1::MAY_BR		Carolina +3.5 , Buffalo -1.5 , Detriot -1.5

X-OUT
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     CNTROL::CHILDS		CSC32::MENDEZ		
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       MKOTS4::STORY		ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        
BIGQ::WEST	 	SNAX::ERICKSON		AD::HEATH	        
BSS::RIGGEN	        WMOIS::DUPREZ	        WMOIS::MAZURKA	        
SPIKED::SWEENEY		MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        TNPUBS::NAZZARO		
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        CSC32::MACGREGOR	CAM::WAY	     	
SUBPAC::WHITEHAIR	NETCAD::NISKALA	       	SPECXN::BROWN	        
ROCK::HUBER		WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M     HBAHBA::HAAS		
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        SCOMAN::GARRY		AKOCOA::BREEN		
SALEM::DODA	        MKOTS3::LONG	        OUTSRC::HEISER	        
SHARE::DERRY	        

>We might be looking at the all-time best happening here....

	Didn't Hal finish the contest last year undefeated?
	Or am I thinking about something else.


	billl

    
    Actually, I think he was wrong in the 11th week, but it didn't
    matter.
    
    He was 10-0.
    
    Joe

And then there was one...
    
7-1
MSBCS::BRYDIE		
                        
X-OUT
PCBUOA::MACDONALD_M     CNTROL::CHILDS		CSC32::MENDEZ		
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF       MKOTS4::STORY		ODIXIE::ZORGAN	        
BIGQ::WEST	 	SNAX::ERICKSON		AD::HEATH	        
BSS::RIGGEN	        WMOIS::DUPREZ	        WMOIS::MAZURKA	        
SPIKED::SWEENEY		MUNDIS::SSHERMAN        TNPUBS::NAZZARO		
ROCK::GRONOWSKI	        CSC32::MACGREGOR	CAM::WAY	     	
SUBPAC::WHITEHAIR	NETCAD::NISKALA	       	SPECXN::BROWN	        
ROCK::HUBER		WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M     HBAHBA::HAAS		
WMOIS::FASSETT_E        SCOMAN::GARRY		AKOCOA::BREEN		
SALEM::DODA	        MKOTS3::LONG	        OUTSRC::HEISER	        
SHARE::DERRY	        REK                     GENRAL::WADE	       
BIGQ::MCKAY	        SWAM1::MAY_BR		MIMS::ROLLINS_R	    

    
    
         Keep going Tommy. See if ya can go 16-1...

    
    	Nice going Tommy.
    
    Claybone

	Now we have a reason, like we need one, for a
	get together.  Hal, must pass on the septre.



	billl

>	Now we have a reason, like we need one, for a
>	get together.  Hal, must pass on the septre.


Someone pick a night.  

I'm booked pretty solid between now and December, but I'll try my hardest
to come and pay homage.



Tommy, my liege, congratulations.  Thou art truly skilled....

    
      Well, that was fun. I propose a new contest. Guess the number of
     errors the Indians commit tonight. As a tiebreaker, guess the number
     that Albert Belle alone commits. I guess four. Three for Alboot.
    
    
    
     BTW - having won the Nexted Annual Bowl Contest one year and now the
           KOH, I only need the ::POOL_9* to get the third jewel of the
           triple crown.

Wrong again, groaner, Hal wasn't undefeated.  When does Tommy start whining 
like Hal did last year?

brews

Tommy, keep your hands off of my jewels.  Everyone knows the 3rd jewel is 
whatever college bb contest it was that I won.

brews

    Tommy, your gift is in the mail (whenever I get it from Bill for winning
    ::POOL lasted year (-:, although, I must admit that TTom offered Celts tix
    as a prize but I had to turn them down).  
    
    Ron gave me his prize for winning that basketball contest that Mikey
    ran... turned out to be the Elastica CD.  Did I thank you guys for
    that?  If not, thanks!                    

    But Karen, your gift was going to be the Don Sweeney ride on the
    Harley!  That doesn't sound like Tommy's cup of coffee (regular,two
    sugars, easy on the cream, and add a little hazelnut).

We're only halfway through the football season. 

KoH seems to end earlier every year.


'Saw

	...and the number of folks playing seems to be shrinking.

	Does that mean as a group we suck as prognosticators?




	billl

>
>	Does that mean as a group we suck as prognosticators?
>


Maybe we just plain suck.  8^)

>	...and the number of folks playing seems to be shrinking.

DIGITAL IS TO BLAM!

>	Does that mean as a group we suck as prognosticators?

Or maybe we just aint no danged good at predicting the games ;-).

TTom

    If you check the Globe friday where all the records of the various
    prognosticaters are listed you'll find no one is picking that well.
    
    We as a group are slightly ahead of the sportswriters and guys like
    Strine who only pick their best choices are < 50 %

    
    	Hey now....I WAS undefeated last year.  The only person to EVER be
    undefeated and untill we hold the get together, I am still the king.
    
    	Congrats Tommy....good guessing!
    
    	My heart wasn't into it this year, I've been kind of confused with
    the Indians playing this late in the season.  
    
    	Your 1994 KING
    
    		HAL

    
      Groaner, please don't sully this my regal note with your usual
     inanities. Instead, take time out to reflect on the boorish nature
     of your very own Albert Belle and the poor image that his behavior
     tends to give himself, baseball and Cleveland. None of whom could
     stand a further lessening of their public image. It seems that when 
     your precocious young Albert isn't butchering flyballs or abusing
     fans or putting cork in whatever orifice is handy or giving his elbow 
     a workout at some flyspecked boozerie, he can be found browbeating 
     defenseless female reporters in the presence of the young and im-
     pressionable. 
    

    
    Ooops, you were right (for once) Groaner.  I thought someone had almost
    caught Hal least year.  Sorry.
    
    brews

    Congrats Tommy on dethroning King Hal.....good job and with such ease
    But I figured either you,I or Westy would do it anyway..anytime you
    get 3 guys from clinton in the same contest one of them will end up
    on top after the smoke clears.
    
    
    Tom

    
    
    
       Who's running it this year????

Thanks for volunteering, Chap...

    
    
      Wish I could. But. Don't really have the time.

    
    
       Thats low Karen......

    
    Chappy doesn't know how to run a contest.  He has his own freaking
    agenda.
    
    "Here are the rules: blah, blah blah"
    
    "Oh wait, i don't like how this is going"
    
    "Here are the new rules: blah, blah, blah"
    
    "Oh wait, screw it"
    
    "The contest is cancelled"

    
    
    Bite Me

    
    
    That's byte me.

    
    		-1
    
    
    			Chappy the correct reply is 
    
    
    				BITE ME, WITH "RELISH"
    
    
    							Shark
    
    

    
    Bite me translation --->  "I Chappy, make up whatever rules I want.  I
    change the rules whenever I want unless I win!"

    
    Groaner translation --->  WAH!

    
    
       No Groaner translation. I will cheat, steal, buy anything just to
    win. Because my baseball team,Football team,Basketball team, and city
    have been stuck in mediocrity for half a century. And I desperately
    need to win something to prove I'm a man.
    
    
    
    Chap

OK, now that we've got our usual dosage of background radiation outta the
way, let's get it on!~

TTom

    I think someone changed the title of this note - saves me from starting 
    a new one. Here goes...
    
    Okay - since we didn't want a Yankee fan running this thing, I said I'd  
    do it again thised year - but it slipped my mind that I'll be on vaca the 
    first two weeks of September....  **SO - you'll need to send your picks to
    Bill_the_pool_96_dude (you can copy me if you want) but during that time, 
    he'll post the picks and the results.**  

    As always - 3 losers and you're out - we'll go with ties not counting (if 
    you tie you have to pick 2 the next week).  Please use the lines that Tom 
    so graciously puts in note 29.  
    
    Thank you and good luck!  Hopefully there will be a few of you left alive 
    when I get back so I can check out your picks and then go against 'em for 
    POOL_96.  (-: (-:
                                                       

    I forgot we use mail here.  I was going to say post them here but go
    ahead and mail them to me.
    
    Just take the line in note 29 for the team
    you want and at the end put an "F" or "U" to make it easier for both of
    us.

    
    
    Chap, maybe you better worry about your beloved Yankmees... with
    Wetteland out, they have managed to let their lead slip to what, 
    5 games.  Can you say "the biggest choke in AL history"?  I can 
    see it now, 10th inning, one game playoff... Tim Naehring goes 
    deep off of the late great Mariano Rivera.
    
    In regards to NOTY, tell me which rule I broke?  (HINT: you can't)

and I don't want no one following my strategy. It's simple I will take whoever
the Giants play against no matter the line. This is without a doubt the worst
team in football and the winner of the Peyton Manning sweepstakes. We have all
of 2 players: Rodney Hampton and Philipee Sparks and maybe some servicable DL.
With a coach who's head is so far up his whazoo he still think Tommie Maddox
is probowl material. The planes are already circling, we're in for a long
year............

mike

    
    		Dan Reeves is bad for football period.  Look for Danny
    	boy to get canned mid-season with Nolan the defensive coor.
    	taking over.  This way Young can swallow reeves contract
    	a little easier and not have to pay Nolan the big bucks as 
    	acting head coach.  The G-men are in trouble, already the offense
    	looks weak inside the red zone, and the sieve sp? defense won't
    	cut it.  Good bet take whom ever NY plays and give the points!
    
    
    						Shark
    
    
    

    
    	MikeyC, I thought that Dan "Genius" Reeves cut Maddox?
    
    Claybone

      He did.  I haven't read/seen where anyone has picked him up or
    resigned at lower $$$.  Reeves has done alot of bonehead moves, but
    drafting Maddox in the 1st round is up there with the Ted Gregory 
    #1 bust.
    
      MikeC, now you know why the Broncos were always Elway and little
    else.  Does the gints have an OL?  That was one of my biggest pieves
    about Collie, along with 1st and up the middle.
    
      Tim

Dan Reeves didn't cut Maddox not his boy. What happened was the players had
certain revealing pictures of Tommy and Danny in a film session splicing one
another tape...........

mc

    re-1
    
      Hum,  the local fish wrapper must of had a misprint. For your teams
    sake, you better hope it wasn't.
    
      Tim

No Tim, sorry to mislead you. Maddox's was cut but I'm sure it wasn't Reeves
who pulled the trigger. It was an executive decision.

mc

Since George Young lost weight, his tap dancing has improved tremendously.

I heard an interview with him yesterday on WFAN.  This man has more excuses,
and is so good at deflecting straight questions....

When asked why he thought the defensive line was being manhandled, he said 
"We have to keep our offense on the field more.  The offense has to dominate. 
If you notice in the NFL the offenses are dominating."


It was bizarre.   


Maybe we'll get lucky and the guy will have a stroke....

> Maybe we'll get lucky and the guy will have a stroke....
    
    I think he's already had one... you need Round Two...
    
    
    glenn
    

    >> When asked why he thought the defensive line was being manhandled, 
    >> he said "We have to keep our offense on the field more.  The offense 
    >> has to dominate. If you notice in the NFL the offenses are dominating."

       Someone should have then asked him why your offense stinks so bad.
       It's bad enough that the Gnats stink but there's no light at the 
       end of the tunnel either. What do you really hang your hopes on if
       you're a Giants fan? Dave Brown? Tyrone Wheatley? The Jets stink
       too but they're moving in the right direction. The Gnats, on the
       other hand, are on a long winding road to nowhere. It's the '70s
       all over again. Bring back Pisarcyk (sp?).

From this Giants fan's perspective, realistically, there
are still a few potential bright spots to look for:

1) Tommy Maddox getting cut  - Done 
   Makes the preseason a success.

2) Purging of ex-Broncos *players* - Almost Done
   I think Horan is the last hold out.  He's ripe
   for a midseason cut.

3) Reeves getting fired - Just a matter of time.
   Each loss will offer the solace of knowing that
   another nail has been hammered in the coffin.

Of course, Young will still be around to pick the
next coach.  He's on a two coach losing streak as
it is.

Slim pickings, huh?
Mike

yeah but Reeves was his third choice an act of desperation.............

an dif Brown gets hurt for any length of time, well Good Time will just call
home and tell Tommy to report in.........

I still think Young has to potential to build a team except for his blind spot
with Brown. He invested almost 5 years in Simms before he became a big gammer
and I think he's think the same about Brown and while Brown's tough or stupid
to stand behind that line he ain't got it in the gut. Now can he hold it
together once he builds the team? Doubt it........

mc

>       Someone should have then asked him why your offense stinks so bad.

When Mike and the Mad Dog tried to pin him down regarding the offensive
line he kept falling back on "these guys are young and we see potential."

George Young might not play the Free Agent game well, but he's slippery as
an eel in an interview.

Biggest problem I see is that the Giants have done very poorly hanging onto
important free agents.  They've also tossed some of the vets (Bart Oates
comes to mind) that provided leadership and experience in spite of getting
a bit older.


>       It's bad enough that the Gnats stink but there's no light at the 
>       end of the tunnel either. What do you really hang your hopes on if
>       you're a Giants fan? Dave Brown? Tyrone Wheatley? 

I think Brown is, and always will be, a mediocre QB.  I don't think he's got
the head or the arm to excel in this league.  But the Giants are paying him the
big bucks.

I can't see the Giants picking any superb college QB in draft over the next
couple of seasons because of Young's love affair with Dave Brown.

Wheatley?  Always injury prone....


To me the bright spots are Toomer and two decent cornerbacks.

>The Jets stink
>       too but they're moving in the right direction. The Gnats, on the
>       other hand, are on a long winding road to nowhere. It's the '70s
>       all over again. Bring back Pisarcyk (sp?).

Couldn't agree more.  We don't need Fumblin' Joe back though, we've got
Duck Brown....8^)

      I've always liked Horan.  He could put the ball between the goal line
    and 20 yard line as good as anyone.  Does he have a problem with the
    fake grass?
    
      What about Daluiso?  Micheal Brooks went to Detroit, I think. 
    Aurther Marshall was cut I saw.
    
      Brooks was great at run defense, but wasn't fast enough in pass
    coverage.
    
      Tim

I forgot about Daluiso.  He's still there.

Horan may be good at directing his punts to pin
the returner along the sidelines, but he shanks 
too many, and he can't boom out a long one when
you really needed.  Besides, he's tainted by his
association with Reeves.  Irrational?  You bet,
but what the heck.

I gave Reeves credit during his first season for
recovering from the mess that Handley left, even
though he wimped out in the second Dallas game 
by playing for the tie.  If they had won that game,
they would have had home field advantage, and might
have avoided the hurting that the 49ers laid on them.

I even wrote off his second year due to the change
in QB, but last year clinched it.  No progress was
made, and by all indications, the man was begging
to get fired.  Makes you wonder what the team would
be like if Coughlin or Wannestadt (sp?) took the job.

Mike

Bottom line all players that Reeves brought along suck! Reeves sucks! doesn't
get any clear than that. Fire the bum now and quit pinching pennies. What the
Giants are doing to us fans leaving Good Time in charge instead of firing is a
notch below Modell on Saw's infamous Torr's scale........

mc

                    
    What's with this personal animus all the Jints' fans have towards 
    Tommy Maddox (he wasn't really a first-rounder, right?)?  He pee
    on somebody's gas grill once or something?
    
    glenn
    

>    What's with this personal animus all the Jints' fans have towards 
>    Tommy Maddox (he wasn't really a first-rounder, right?)?

I'm pretty sure he was a first-rounder, but he was a BRONCOS first-rounder,
so I don't see it either.

Must be the association with Dan Reeves.  It poisons all who contract it.

In a nut shell, he was a Reeves favorite.  

When the Broncos cut him, no one else in the league bit, EXCEPT for 
Collie Boy.

That wasn't so bad at the time, but then Reeves actually played the guy.

He sucked. 

Then, after he sucked so bad, we were treated to him this preseason.

He sucked worse.


'Saw

> Must be the association with Dan Reeves.  It poisons all who contract it.

That about sums it up.  Maddox was a Reeves first round pick with
Denver.  He didn't show much there when Elway was hurt.

He then resurfaced with the Rams and show less.  The Rams cut him,
and the Giants signed him last year.

Last year, Reeves benched Brown, and put Maddox in.  He proceeded to
expose himself as $1 million no-talent (6-23, bunch of ints/fumbled
snaps).

With the salary cap, you would figure that he wouldn't even make
it back to camp.  Not only does he make it back, but Reeves starts
him ahead of Brown again in the second exhibition game, despite the
fact that Brown can use all the work he can get.  Throw in a couple 
more fumbled snaps, and the charade of Maddox getting the starting
job is over.  The ownership finally puts its penny pinching ways to
good use and cuts him, saving $750,000.  

Maddox tenure with the team represents much that Giants fans loathe
about Reeves.

Mike

    
    Let me see if I can add some insight into the Maddux mystery. The kid
    has/had what could be called the classic throwing motion and release.
    The donkos bought him as a project out of UCLA after his sophomore
    year. Since that time he's never had a real chance to become a pro
    QB,.ie; learn to read defenses, get on the same page as the receivers
    or his latest problem dealing with the jitters and Giants fans. 
    
    I think Reeves still saw that Maddux the potential to become a pro QB
    with the skills that Dave Brown does not possess.
    
    
    

    Since I can only mail this to myself I have 
    
        SAN FRANCISCO   12      new orleans     U (have to take this dog)
    

      Actually, The broncos traded Maddox to the Rams, they didn't cut
    him.  
    
      Maddox was a great million dollar bench warmer though and wouldn't
    that look good on a resume if he goes for a managment job?  He can sit in
    meetings all day.
    
      
      Tim

Maddox may have had all the talent in the world, but is one of those rare
individuals who continuously fails to perform when the spotlight is on.

I don't care if you're a great race driver, opera singer, or dog groomer,
talent laden and with potential up the ass.  If you can't do it when it's
"showtime" you're nothin'....


Tommy Maddox, gentlemen, is nothing.

    Agreed that Tommy Maddox is a bus, BUT Mr. Brown has shown me
    absolutely nothing as a starting NFL qb.  The guy overthrows 
    wide open receivers, runs when he should throw, throws when he
    should throw and basically looks confused.  He had at least 2
    opportunities to beat the bills on sunday night...
    

the only advantage Brown has is he doesn't fumble but atleast he doesn't make
Bledsoe style money...

mc

Dave Brown is NOT the guy.  Like Frank said, he blew a couple of golden
opportunities.  And while it may not have been fully his fault, his was the
mistake that cost the game.

Once the pumped-up enthusiasm of the Giants wore off, and once Buffalo made the
(expected) adjustments, we saw the same old Giants.


Despite the fact that the papers around here are saying that the Giants are
back, I'm not forgetting that the coach is still Dan Reeves and the QB is Dave
Brown....


'Saw

    			
    Week		1
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    HUDSON::DERRY	1
    MKOTS3::BREEN	-1
    SCOMAN::GARRY	1
    NAME: long 	-1
    HBAHBA::HAAS	-1
    EDWIN::WAUGAMAN	-1
    PECAD8::CHILDS	-1
    CAM::WAY 	-1
    NCMAIL::JAMESS	-1
    MSBCS::BRYDIE	-1
    CRL::"rmccullough	1
    TUXEDO::SWEENEY	1
    TNPUBS::NAZZARO	1
    AKOCOA::AD::HEATH	-1
    SUBPAC::SKALSKI	-1
    SNAX::ERICKSON	-1
    GENRAL::WADE	1
    MUTEX::LIU		-1
    OUTSRC::ALLEMANG	1
    Dan Zogran @ALF	-1
    wmois::chapalonis	-1
    
    
    
    If I recall each gets up to two (-1)s and cannot fall three weeks
    behind.  So anyone wanting to get in will have to get in by next week.
    
    Giants killed a passle of their feathered friends.

    Correction Glenn had a winner in Philly.  I thought he took da skins.
    
    I'll correct it where it counts.

    That's what I git fer listenin' to yunz 'bout da Jints!
    
    
    
    
    billl

trust me Bill they're that bad. They blew a 17 point lead.  Special teams scored
1 td and that badass stud Dan Reeves surprised the Bills by actually using
Frank's cousin Charles. Once the Bills wised up it was only a matter of
time.

 Cowboys by 30 this week, it would be 40 but Irvin's suspended....

mc

My cousin Charles had more carries on Sunday night than he did all of last
season.   Dan musta thought he was his secret weapon....


'saw

	Why the change in rules?  Are you saying we can't
	trust TTom?


	billl

    I wanted to get the correct line back on that game before too many went
    to town on Dallas and 3.
    
    I'm taking Patriots and the 4 points myself, for the record

Hey, y'all wanna start making and posting the line, have at it.

It's what you call a_unpaid service. I've made it real clear whenever
I've supplied lines for games that were off/no line.

TTom

    
    
       I'll take Dallas - 3!!

    Ttom had to get a pool line in.  Since he had found the correct line
    before I got KOH mail the logical thing to do is use the Emmitt Smith
    line for koh.
    
    So 8 it is.  Besides many of us would gag before taking the Cowboys in
    a koh thing.

	Have you checked your mail?


	billl

>    
>    So 8 it is.  Besides many of us would gag before taking the Cowboys in
>    a koh thing.
>

Fine by me.

Many of us have a realistic view of where Steve Grogan fit in the food chain
too.  8^)

I think I have a solution here.

When a game is no line or off, you caint play it in the KOH.

Pretty simple.

TTom

    
    	So which line are we using?
    
    Claybone

                            -< Updated KOH Results >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    HUDSON::DERRY	1	-1
    MKOTS3::BREEN	-1	-1
    SCOMAN::GARRY	1	-1
    NAME: long 		-1	1
    HBAHBA::HAAS	-1	-1
    EDWIN::WAUGAMAN	1	1
    PECAD8::CHILDS	-1	1
    CAM::WAY 		-1	1
    NCMAIL::JAMESS	-1	0
    MSBCS::BRYDIE	-1	0
    CRL::"rmccullough	1	1
    TUXEDO::SWEENEY	1	1
    TNPUBS::NAZZARO	1	1
    AKOCOA::AD::HEATH	-1	1
    SUBPAC::SKALSKI	-1	0
    SNAX::ERICKSON	-1	1
    GENRAL::WADE	1	1
    MUTEX::LIU		-1	1
    OUTSRC::ALLEMANG	1	1
    Dan Zogran @ALF	-1	1
    wmois::chapalonis	-1	1
    BSS::mendez		1	1
    Brews May @phx	-1	-1
    		
    

    HUDSON::DERRY	1	-1
    MKOTS3::BREEN	-1	-1
    SCOMAN::GARRY	1	-1
    NAME: long 		-1	1
    HBAHBA::HAAS	-1	-1
    EDWIN::WAUGAMAN	1	1
    PECAD8::CHILDS	-1	1
    CAM::WAY 		-1	1
    NCMAIL::JAMESS	-1	0
    MSBCS::BRYDIE	-1	0
    CRL::"rmccullough	1	1
    TUXEDO::SWEENEY	1	1
    TNPUBS::NAZZARO	1	1
    AKOCOA::AD::HEATH	-1	1
    SUBPAC::SKALSKI	-1	0
    SNAX::ERICKSON	-1	1
    GENRAL::WADE	1	1
    MUTEX::LIU		-1	1
    OUTSRC::ALLEMANG	1	-1
    Dan Zogran @ALF	-1	1
    wmois::chapalonis	-1	1
    BSS::mendez		1	1
    Brews May @phx	-1	-1
    		
    

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