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Russia Finland Hockey game



  Finland 5, Russia 0

  George

 Wasn't that a riveting piece of fluff that CBS did last night on the
 blonde Mogul ski champ who tore her ACL? For a minute there I though
 she might die.....

 mike

    
    She's 6th after day one...
    
    
    US scores another gold in women's GS...
    

    
    
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    	LILLEHAMMER, Norway (AP) -- U.S. skiers struck gold on Tuesday
    for the second time in three days when dark horse Diann
    Roffe-Steinrotter won the women's super-G race.
    	It was a sensational way for the Americans to get back on their
    feet and onto the medals podium after a slip and a slide that iced
    two of their biggest Winter Games stars, Dan Jansen and Duncan
    Kennedy, the day before.
    	Donna Weinbrecht, too, took a step toward another gold medal in
    the women's freestyle skiing by advancing as expected from
    Tuesday's moguls portion to Wednesday's finals.
    	Roffe-Steinrotter, at 26 the ``old-timer'' of the U.S. ski team,
    took the silver in the giant slalom at Albertville in 1992.
    	But like Tommy Moe, who got the U.S. skiers off to a blazing
    start with his victory in the men's downhill on Sunday,
    Roffe-Steinrotter was not a favorite in the super-G -- a cross
    between downhill and giant slalom.
    	``It's like a dream,'' said Roffe-Steinrotter, who had never
    finished higher than fourth in a super-G race. ``But it's one day,
    one race -- if you ski well, anything can happen.''
    	First to leave the starting gate on a sparkling day at
    Kvitfjell, an hour's drive north of Lillehammer, the Potsdam, N.Y.,
    resident finished in 1 minute, 22.15 seconds and watched for more
    than an hour as her time held up.
    	The last American woman to win a gold medal in Alpine skiing was
    Debbie Armstrong in the giant slalom at Sarajevo in 1984, when Bill
    Johnson won the men's downhill.
    	Svetlana Gladischeva of Russia was second Tuesday in 1:22.44,
    winning the first Alpine skiing medal ever for a Soviet, Unified
    Team or Russian skier. Isolde Kostner of Italy took the bronze in
    1:22.45.
    	Russia got its second gold medal in 24 hours Tuesday when Lyubov
    Egorova, the queen of the 1992 Winter Olympics with three golds and
    two silvers, captured the 5-kilometer cross-country race by a
    whopping 20 seconds over Manuela Di Centa of Italy. The bronze went
    to a real old-timer -- 38-year-old Marja-Liisa Kirvesniemi of
    Finland, the triple gold medalist from 1984 who is competing in her
    record-tying sixth Olympics.
    	The Russians vaulted into the medals race lead with six overall,
    two of them gold, going into tonight's pairs finals where they were
    certain to win two or three more. Norway has five medals, Italy
    four, the United States and Finland two each.
    	Coupled with Tommy Moe's stunning triumph in the men's downhill,
    Roffe-Steinrotter's gold makes it two victories in two Olympic
    Alpine races at Lillehammer for the supposedly troubled U.S. ski
    team.
    	Moe put himself in position Monday for a second medal, placing
    third in the downhill portion of the men's combined. The combined
    slalom is staged next week.
    	The surprising skiers have saved the Americans from what could
    have been a disastrous start at Lillehammer.
    	Dan Jansen, supposedly a lock in the 500 meters, caught an edge
    and finished eighth Monday, while the gold went to Russia's
    Aleksandr Golubev.
    	The U.S. lugers had high hopes for their first-ever medal, but
    they'll have to wait until 1998. Duncan Kennedy, with a good chance
    for the bronze, crashed Monday. Defending world champion Wendel
    Suckow finished fifth. And top women's luger Cammy Myler was a
    disappointing 11th after Tuesday's first two runs, a distant 0.85
    seconds off the medals pace.
    	Going into Tuesday night's game with Slovakia, the American
    hockey team remained hopeful for a medal despite its unimpressive
    opening-game tie against France. The field remains wide open --
    top-seeded Russia demonstrated that by taking a 5-0 shellacking
    from Finland Monday night.
    	Tuesday started out as a repeat of Monday's misery when two
    Americans, one competing for Greece, wiped out on the hard ice of
    the luge course.
    	Erin Warren of Somerville, Mass., had a bad fall when her sled
    went out of control and ricocheted off both walls, sending her
    plummeting down the course face down, feet first. A few minutes
    later Greta Sebald of Minneapolis, a member of Greece's first luge
    team, bounced off the walls and took a spill when her sled turned
    sideways. Both walked away uninjured.
    	Jansen, meanwhile, has three more days to overcome the stigma of
    being the Bill Buckner of winter in time for the 1000 meters -- his
    last chance to salvage a medal from his four Olympics.
    	``I'll just go out and skate,'' the shaken speedskater said
    after inexplicably skidding on a turn in the 500. He has dominated
    the event for a decade -- through two celebrated falls in the 1988
    Games and two more letdowns in 1992.
    	``If it happens, it does. If not, I'll go on -- same old thing,''
    Jansen said.
    	Despite his three World Cup victories and two seconds in the
    1,000 this season, the race is considered wide open.
    	Unfair though it might be for the fastest ice sprinter ever,
    only a gold could possibly alter Jansen's legacy as an all-time
    Olympics flop.
    	David Wallechinsky, an unofficial Olympics historian, was
    hard-pressed Monday to name another top Winter or Summer Games
    athlete whose underachievements compare to Jansen's: 10 years, four
    Games, zero medals.
    

    
    That piece on the mogul skier was definetly lame...can't wait for Tonya
    to show up.  Why does it seem like CBS' anchors are no-names and
    has-beens/wanna-be's?  It is almost painful to watch some of these
    clowns.  The best thing that they have going for them is the camera
    work.  
    
    The weekend coverage had better pick up or I'm off to the video store.
    How do you like all the IBM commercials?  How many people are watching
    the Olympics?  A couple million world-wide give or take a half a mil.
    
    
    Did you see the hole that Duncan Crashady wore in the back of his
    spandex suit from the ice on the luge run?  Reminds me of the painful
    fiberglass burn I got at Attitash on the Alpine slide...of course I
    didn't heed the go slow sign but you just have to go for it.  Duncan
    had a record time running at that point too.  Tres bummer!  He's still
    young though...wait 'til '98.
    
    ML
    

re: moguls

day 1 only matters in that it gets you to the finals. I believe that similar
to Diving the preliminary scores are thrown out.

The Crazy Met

    
    
    US vs SLOV's Olympic Hockey...<spoiler>
    
    
    
    
    
    US is now 1 for 13 on power plays.  W/ about 5 minutes left in the game
    US gets w/in one...losing 3-2 still on power play courtesy of Peter
    Stasny (Quebec Nordiques) major penalty for highstick cut on Johnson's
    nose whick got banged pretty good vs France allready.  Lots of
    penalty's in the last few minutes...up to that point the US had NO
    shots on net through the first 12 or 13 minutes of the 3rd period.
    
    Garth Snow playing goal.  Ex-Bruin Lazarro w/ the 1st US goal
    
    ML
    

    
    
    US slips in another tie 3-3.  The only gold we'll be getting is
    Rold Gold pretzel sticks.
    
    ML
    

    Yeh,
    	A tie is like kissing Nancy Kerrigan
    
    A loss like kissing th?
    
    billte

  So are any hockey teams doing all that well? It appears that there is no real
front runner. Actually with two ties, the U.S. has two points which should keep
them in the hunt. 

  They seem to be controlling the puck and getting lots of shots on goal but
can't seem to put it in the net. I don't watch much hockey, is that a sign of a
bad team or a good team that needs to work out a few problems? 

  George

    
    
    It's a sign the team needs the twin back!
    
    

  Here's a question about the Twin. Was the twin that got cut anywhere near as
good as the one who stayed on the team? The CBS report suggested that they were
very much the same but unless I got the names mixed up, the twin named Peter
seemed to be an important player who'd been drafted by the Rangers. If the
other one was that good, why did he get cut?

  George

    Actually it's a ruse. When Twin I (who's officially on the team) skates
    a shift he goes off for equipment adjustment when voila, fresh Twin II
    takes his place on his next shift. Repetez-vous and you get the rub...
    
    
     To answer yo' question... this US hockey team is a speedy, tentative
    team and is looking to make the perfect pass before shooting.
    his smacks of lack of confidence in themselves. They need a leader
    who'll take 'em out for a few brewskis to relax them and tell
    'em to JUST SHOOT THE FRIGGEN" PUCK WILLYA...
    
    MikeL
    

    isn't the US team the youngest team??? I don't see anyone who is a
    leader on this team. This will hurt there chances.
      
               stig
    

    They are the youngest. Laviolette(sp) needs to step up to the plate.
    
    MikeL
    

  The U.S. is now 2-0 in Alpine events having won the Men's down hill and the
woman's Super G. Also, I believe that the U.S. is running 2nd and 3rd in the
men's Alpine combined after the downhill portion. No Alpine events today. 

  In the show down of former gold medalists in pairs figure skating, the 1988
Olympics champions Gordyeva and Grinkov from Russia beat the 1992 champions
Mishkutenok and Dmitriyev also from Russia. Gordyeva and Grinkov are in a
league of their own and are probably the best skaters in any of the Olympic
events. 

  I believe that the big reason that the Russians do so well in pairs and the
U.S. does better in Ladies figure skating is that up to now the best Russian
women skaters have gone in to pairs while the best U.S. women skaters tend
toward Singles. If Yekaterina Gordyeva had been training in singles all of
her life, she would have contended for the last 2 gold metals and she'd be a
lock this time around. The woman never makes a mistake.

  George

    A friendly reminder:
    
    This topic is for results of Olympic competition.  Since some people
    want to see the events when they get gome with the accompanying
    suspense of not knowing who wins, please post after a form feed.
    
    Use the other Olympic Winter Games topic (155?) for discussion of the
    games and results.  Try to discuss the results the next day so we won't
    have to worry about form feeds.

the agony of defeat guy's name is Bojan Krijak.
He's Bulgarian (or was).

dr.a

  How long do we have to use form feeds? I was talking about an event that
was on yesterday morning and afternoon and was shown on CBS last night.

  George

    Spoiler warning:
    
    
    The US added a silver medal in the Women's moguls competition.
    
    Mark.

    Come to think of it, we do have a SCOREBOARD topic.  Sounds like a
    logical place to post results to me.

    Logic in SPROTS?!

    
    
    Hey, did you guys hear, Jim McMahon was traded!!

              <<< Note 159.21 by 38346::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll" >>>

>    Come to think of it, we do have a SCOREBOARD topic.  Sounds like a
>    logical place to post results to me.
    
    And that's where future Rugby match results will be posted?
    
    Mark.

    spoiler here...
    
    And the silver medalist wasn't the favorite, it was Liz McIntyre.
    Weinbracht was 7th I think...
    

    Don't you need copyrights to do that?

It had to be done sorry Mike 

Jeff

    If that's what you want, Mark.




Tommy Moe takes Silver in the combined.

Didn't hear who took 1st or 3rd, nor how well Tommy did today.  Just
the end result


Zamboni

  Are you sure about that? He's suppose to be running the Super G today. The
downhill part of the Combined was Monday and the Slalom part is not until the
end of next week. 

  Or so my schedule says, 

  Oh by the way, use form feeds for results or you'll be in trouble with Mac. 

  George

	Or since the "form feed" thang don't do didly if'n yer noting
	within windows, just have the wifey do the Vulcan memory eraser
	trick before you turn on the 'pics.

	The way it works is this.  She places her hands firmly on either
	side of your head.  She then begins asking you why you forgot to 
	get that milk and bread on the way home like she asked.

	Sometimes added pressure and more intense questioning in needed.

	You get so caught up wondering if you will ever remember another
	thing and BOOM!  Everything you were told or read during the last 
	24 hours is erased.

	It works for me.

	
	billl

No, he copped the silver today.  Heard it on the radio.


Billl, only half-wits note with windows.  8^)

>	C'mon into the 90's 'Saw and dump that VT52.  I don't care if 
>	Ken O himself built the thing, there comes a time when you have
>	to move on to bigger and better things.


I've been able to use windows notes for about 3 years now.

For my money, the character-cell termninal i/f to Notes is much easier
to work with for what I do.....  Windows notes doesn't buy me anything.

btw, I used to work on VT05's, so the VT52 was a step up.....


'Saw

but it was in the super-G today. combined does finish nexted week.

The Crazy Met



SPOILER








	I could have misheard the report.  I do know that Tommy took a 
silver medal today.  I thought the reporter said combined, but it could
very well have been Super G.

	t

    Well, since the spoiler is ruined :^)...it was the Super G, and it was
    Tommy Moe, and it was a silver.
    
    Mark.

Am I screwing these up?

	I'm embedding a <ff> into each reply.

	t

  Remember, it's a control L, not the characters <ff>

  Men's figure skating partial result / spoiler

SPOILER


  page for you windows types:





















  1998 gold medalist Brian Boitano, who's trying to make a comeback fell trying
to do a triple axel double toe combination in the short program. It resulted
in a mandatory .5 deduction which left him in the high 4's.

  It makes any chance of him getting a metal pretty remote, not that it was
all that great anyway.

  George

    Thanks for telling us what will happen in 1998, George.  Any
    predictions on when the Cubs will win the Series?
    
    By the way, he did use <ctl L>, his page length must be shorter than
    the rest of ours.

  Mac the gnat, 

  Team U.S.A. v. Canada 1st period results

SPOILER


  Page thing 

























  Canada leads Team U.S.A 1-0 at the end of the 1st period. Canada scored
when the puck got away from the U.S. guys and a Canadian player got it
all alone in front of the goal. he backhanded it over Snow's shoulder for
the goal.

  Team U.S.A. continues to struggle with the power play. They finished
the period with a 5 on 3 power play but failed to score.

  George

    Team USA vs. Canada, middle of 2nd period:
    
    score is tied 1-1

    3-1 US after 2.

    Heard from reliable source its 2-2 not 3-1

    FYI...reliable source was the Boston Herald...called them up!
    

    4-2 Canada, mid-3rd.

    
    Who's got the final score?
    
    And what is it?
    
    My in-laws are famous for only answering your specific question
    literally...I think I need de-programming.  
    
    ML
    

    28 seconds left
    
    
    score is tied at 3

    
    US tied the game 3-3 with 42 seconds left on a power play.
    
    Canada had 2 penalty shots in the game. Scored on the first, missed on
    the second.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Thanks to everyone who provided updates. The US should be able to make
    it to the medal round. when are they going to play well in the first
    two periods?
    
    

Spoiler
















With cheap returns to hide it















US Doubles luge team places highest ever in Olympic Luge event.  They took
4th, just out of the medals.


Dan Jansen has just set a World Record of 1:12.43 in the 1,000 meter event.
This after another competitor had set an Olympic record that was better than
Dan's best personal time in the event.  The race is still in progress, but it 
looks good.  The choke collar is off....

Zamboni

    I just heard some BIG news on Dan Jansen in the 1000 meters.  I don't
    know how to form feed, so I'll just space a bunch down.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    They just announced that he set a WORLD RECORD in the 1000.  There are
    still 34 more skaters to go, but chances are good he will get the Gold.
    
    
    Spud

pertained to the Mens Double Luge results...

sorry 'bout that,

Zamboni



Well, Janssen finally did it, winning Gold in the 1000 meters.

I'm happy for him.....


'Saw

    
    
    Gee I wonder what story CBS will be covering tonight...hmmm

    Dan Jansen
    
    a great story-seems like a nice guy.
    
    He deserves it.
    
    Does that mean Buffalo,Denver or Minnesota wins Super Bowl 29?

    
    Does anybody know how Dan Jansen did in the 1000m today?
    
    
    
    This is great!  The 1000m isn't even considered to be his best event
    and he sets a world record in it.  Congrats to Dan for finally getting
    that Olympic monkey off his back.

    
    
>    This is great!  The 1000m isn't even considered to be his best event
>    and he sets a world record in it.  Congrats to Dan for finally getting
>    that Olympic monkey off his back.


Amen.

I think tha tcoming out and beating the other guy who set the olympic
record was a good thing for him -- at first I thought it might have got
him off his game again.

Congrats Dan!  

'Saw

    
    
    
    
    
    bravo; btw CBS also gets to cover Torvill-Dean in Ice dancing
    tonight; ratings should be sky high.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    
    
     Congrats to Dan Jansen!
    
    
    
    
    I remember watching him in the hit TV series "The Fugitive"
    
    

    
    
    NO, NO , NO  He's the guy that was in the Decathlon in 92.
    
    
    Gosh some people
    

	Did Koss "the Boss" skate in the 1000?  If so, where did he finish?


	billl

    I think it's too short an event for Koss...
    

RE congradulations given in previous notes

  Why are you guys giving out congradulations? I don't think many Olympic
athletes read this notes file.

  Although someone claiming to be Nancy Kerrigan's cousin pops up in the TV and
Skating notes file once in a while. 

  George

    
 >>  <<< Note 159.66 by MKFSA::LONG "I been to Rock-and-Roll-Heaven, Oregon" >>>

    You read the Stephen King short story, too, eh???  Weird.
    
    >>	Did Koss "the Boss" skate in the 1000?  If so, where did he finish?
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    
    Presumably, if he skated in it, he finished at the finish line.
    
    JaKe
    

>>    You read the Stephen King short story, too, eh???  Weird.
	Yeah, I'm about half way through the book.

    
>>    Presumably, if he skated in it, he finished at the finish line.
	Thanks a ton, wise-ars.

	I thought he was going to try and go for Eric Heider's record of
	3 medals.  As far as I know, he only raced in two.


	billl

    Hmmm if Jensen finally got a medal than that means that....
    
    .....the Boston Red Sox will finally win the Wor...
    
    .........................NAWWWWWWWW!!!!!!


        I think Koss would have raced in the 1500, not the 1000.

    Did Jansen skate the 1500 yet?? ...or did he refuse to skate in it??
    
                  stig

RE    <<< Note 159.73 by SALEM::STIG "Big Sister HILLARY is Watching You!!" >>>

>    Did Jansen skate the 1500 yet?? ...or did he refuse to skate in it??
    
  Neither. It's not really his event so he let someone else skate so he could
get ready for the 1000. In fact, he had never skated in an Olympic 1500. Turned
out to be a good choice for both him and the team because 

dam time shifters,


  he won the gold medal in the 1000.

  George

  Any word yet on the U.S.A v. Italy Hockey game?

  Only 2 more days until round 1 of the Toyna/Nancy face off.

  George

>  Any word yet on the U.S.A v. Italy Hockey game?

It wasn't going to start until 2pm.....

    The first goal (behind a FF, of course!):
    
    	US scores less than two minutes in.  Don't know who.
    
    NAZZ
    

    A second score!  FF again:
    
    	
    	It's now 2-0 US!!!!!
    
    NAZZ

    
    Now 3-0 US in the first.

    The Italian goalie is from Mefaah, BTW...
    

    Update
    
    US 5-1 after 1

    
    Anyone know where Seitzinger finished in the combined?  I know it
    wasn't the top 3.
    
    Any other results from today?
    

    >    Any other results from today?
    
    Bonnie took 4th in the 1500 despite posting her personal best.  It's
    not her strong suit, but she does the 1000 tomorrow and it is one of
    her best races.

    
    Behind?
    

    
    
    Just as a point of reference, during the Albertville GAmes, Blair
    finished 21st overall in the 1500 when she realized she could not
    medal.  She went on to capture the gold in the 1000.  Here's hoping
    that she didn't push too hard in the 1500 this time around.
    
    Mark.

    
    
    US beats Italy 7-1 and will be in the medal round.

any update on the ice-dancing??

The Crazy Met

    	Here's how things turned out;
    
    	Gold	Gritschuk & ?
    	Silver	Usova & Zhulin
    	Bronze	Torville & Dean
    
    	Torville and Dean should have had the gold. I could have lived
    	with silver, but no way did Gritschuk and ? get gold.
    
    	Scott

  Comment on Ice Dance result



  According to the commentator (former Olympic Ice Dancer Tracy Wilson), the
problem with Torvel and Dean was that they had too many "lifts" in their act.

  In an attempt to keep Ice Dancing and Pairs separate events, the people who
regulate those events have put several restrictions on Ice Dancing. They are
limited to 5 lifts per program and they are never allowed to lift the other
skater over their head. I believe that throw jumps are also not allowed. 

  Wilson seemed to believe that the difference between Torvel and Dean's
technical and artistic marks showed that the judges believed that they had
broken the rules by going beyond 5 lifts. 

  George 

    
    WTFC?

touchy, touchy, touchy these days, are we Lufay??

The Crazy Met

      If they went over the legal limit,  then why did they even get a
    bronze?  Rules are rules, right?
    
      Tim

the rules could state that they need to deduct a certain number of points
for that infraction. So they could still have gotten the Bronze. 

The Crazy Met

    I'm with Mark on the Ice Dancing crap.  My wife won't even watch it.
    It has to be the closest thing to Synchronized Swimming in existence.
    
    						Steve

  I don't like it either now that they've gone back to the traditional stuff
It was a lot better when they were doing things like the Bolero.

  Did you see the earlier rounds, the compulsories, where everyone has to dance
the same steps to the same music? That was really bad.

  George

> Did you see the earlier rounds, the compulsories, where everyone has to dance
> the same steps to the same music?

didn't see it, seen very little of the Olympics. This is pretty much
what the first round in the figure skating was like - figure 8's, etc.

The Crazy Met

    One of the few good bits that CBS has done was about ice dancing and
    how boring it is.  They showed a women who sat through the entire
    compulsories, including that practice rounds.  She estimated that
    she had heard the same song about 300 times.
    
    The sad thing was that she sat through it because she liked it.
    
    Mike

    
    	Great piece last night on the 4x10k!  Too bad the Norigians lost...
    
    	hw
    
    	

Best thing in the Olympics last night:


Charles Kuralt's piece on the Norwegian Commandos who destroyed the
Heavy Water plant.....


'Saw

    Does any one have any updates on the Hockey games so far?
    
    
    steve

>    Does any one have any updates on the Hockey games so far?
    

Hockey game starts at like 10:15 EST (maybe it's 10:30, not sure)


'Saw

    USA plays at 10:30, but what happeed between CZECH REPUBLIC v CANADA at 
    9:00am.    Anybody?
    
    
    s

>    USA plays at 10:30, but what happeed between CZECH REPUBLIC v CANADA at 
>    9:00am.    Anybody?
    
    
If I could tell you that, i'd have my own pscyhic hotline and charge you
by the minute......  My clock say it's 8:30 right now.....8^)

    -1
    s,
    It's only 8:35 or so. Faceoff is at 9..correct? Hold yo' horses
    dude..
    
    I loved that stoopid short track speed skating. Hell I was getting
    dizzy watching those jamokes whirl around the ice. I still got the
    spins(shaddap 'Saw). Ya know I think if those Canadian men hadn't
    all been sporting Woodstock-style hairdo's, they mighta won..
    Wind shear,etc..
    
    All this sport needs is a few more full contact rules and it would
    become the most popular sport in the Olympics.. Make the rink a
    little elevated with railings all around. Make it just like roller
    derby. I had flashbacks of Joanie weston plantin' an elbow into
    some BayArea Bombers visage. You'd attract the wrasslin'/roller derby
    type-crowds. You know, the kind who shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.
    
    Cain't ya see Tonya and Nancy in this sport..beeyoootiful.
    
    MikeL
    

    
    I know your not Jean Dixon..... Someone here said they heard a score
    on the first game.  Figures, my boss!   Maybe I should re-set his 
    watch. 8^)
    
    steve

>    I know your not Jean Dixon..... Someone here said they heard a score
>    on the first game.  Figures, my boss!   Maybe I should re-set his 
>    watch. 8^)
>    
>    steve


Your boss?

That certainly explains it then. 8^)

    Canada-Slovokia hockey score
    
    1-1 late in the second.
    Bonnie Blair update:
    
    She has the top time in the 1000 but only six skaters have competed
    thusfar.
    
    Alberta Tomba update
    
    He was disqualified for missing gates.

    Hockey update:
    
    
    End of 2 Czech Republic 2-Canada 1

    Hockey update:
    
    8 minutes left 1st period
    
    Finland 1,US 0 (power play goal)

    
    Bonnie Blair has won her 5th gold, this one in the 1000m.

    
    Finland is now up over the US 2-0.  2:52 left in the first.

    Hockey Update:
    
    After 1:
    
    Finland 2-0 over US
    Bonnie Blair update
    
    She wins her fifth gold and 2nd of games-US now has 5 golds
    
    

    Hockey update:
    
    Canada-Czech 2-2 in overtime. Savage has both Canada goals.

    Update:
    
    
    Sacco shorthanded goal 2-1 Finland

    Another update:
    
    4 minutes gone in second period
    Finland scores again 3-1 
    

    How are you getting these hockey scores?  Are they on TV?
    
    - Rope

CBS radio??

The Crazy Met

    Another update:
    
    7 minutes gone in second period
    Finland scores again 4-1 power play
    

    I have the game on WFAN. I am working from home today because of a
    nasty snowstorm which is expected to dump about 8 inches of snow in NJ.
    
    Look for it later today in New England.

    
    
    
    
            Who's in goal that stiff Dunham?
    
    
    
    Chappy

    Snow is US goalie.
    
    Snow is all over the place-the streets,highways ,4 inches and counting.

    
    Canada wins in OT.

    Canada-Czech final
    
    
    Canada 3-2 in OT. Winning goal was scored by Univ of Maine
    player-didn't catch his name.
    
    BTW,it is a pleasure to provide these updates. I have enjoyed others in
    this conference providing updates of daytime evenets. This is my
    payback.
    
    With Reflections for Windows,it is simple to switch between four VMS
    sessions,plus some Windows applications. Digital should really catch on
    to these PC's. They're pretty useful!

    US-Finland update:
    
    
    After 2 4-1 Finland

    12 minutes left
    
    5-1 Finland.Another power play goal.

    4 minutes left
    
    Finland 6-1.A power play goal(2 man advantage).

    It's over
    
    Mercifully
    
    No comebacks today
    
    Finland 6-1 . No contest.
    
    US plays Czechs in consolation next.

    Interesting thing going on TNT. They were showing figure skating live,
    but now have switched to skiing. Harding goes at 1:40-don't expect to
    see it on TNT.
    

	TNT can't show the figure skating because CBS is sure to show it
tonight.  This is part of the agreement between CBS and TNT.  

TNT can show figure skating, just not the performances that CBS
will be showing.

The Crazy Met

  They can show that part of figure skating that CBS doesn't want. There
are over 20 contestants of which CBS will probably only want the top 6-8
so TNT could show the rest.

  They can also report on what happens to the contestants that CBS will show.

  George

    I heard that WEEI will have the figure skating live..Now how that will
    sound on the radio, I don't have a clue!

    
    
    If anyone is in the listening area for 590 WEEI Sports Radio out of
    Boston,  they are broadcasting live play by play of both Tonya @ 1:40
    and Nancy @ 4:00 PM EST

    well it's now 1:55, does anybody know how Harding and Witt did???

	You folks have got to be kidding me!!!  Figure Skating on the
	Radio!?!?!?!

	Sure there isn't a chess match on WFAN, too?!

	/er, is there no hope for this crowd?


	billl

Here's what I just heard regarding Tonya's performance.  























She got some 4.8s on her score.  Doesn't sound good.

	Regarding USA vs Finland, 


	Finland and USA were about even when the sides were even,
	but Finland converted 4 of 6 power play opportunities to
	beat the US squad.

  Actually chess would work, you could follow along on your own board, but
skating?

  "soowoosh ... 
   soooowoosh soooowoosh ... 
   soooowoosh soooowoosh ffFFFFFIT ...... CHUNK soooo soooowoosh"

  George

    I'm surprised radio doesn't do golf.  Believe it or not I think they
    did at one time.
    
    Most of what happens cannot be reproduced on tv because terrain and
    wind are not reproducable.  TV - golf also leaves the view asea about
    what is actually happening (sparse updates, muffberger etc).

    Current skating results:
    
    Witt is first
    Harding second-but all the big guns are yet to go meaning we won't see
    any of it on TNT. Harding slipped once.
    Harding likely to be eighth-only top 5 usually have chance for medal.
    
    TNT is showing USA-Finland
    
    Sweden- Germany
    
    0-0 in the second

    Any other Hockey results,    GERMANY v SWEDEN?
    
    
    STEVE

    Hocky results
    
    Sweden 3-0 in third
    
    Slovokia 2-1 over Russia in 1st
    
    Harding is fifth
    
    Bonaly is first,Witt second

    Nancy Kerrigan is up next.
    
    Standings going in
    
    Baiul
    Bonaly
    Lu
    Witt
    Canadian
    Russian
    Harding

    Nancy Kerrigan
    
    is in first place!

    According to the report I just listened to:
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Kerrigan was nearly flawless.  Mostly 5.8's and 5.9's  Kerrigan moves
    into FIRST place overall.  Harding drops to ninth.
    
    Bouquets to Nancy, she was holding about 20.  None came down after
    Harding skated, but no boos, just light, polite applause.
    
    
    Spud

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Attagirl, Nancy!  Show us SPROTSters we have no idea what we're
    talking about, as usual...
    
    glenn
    

    
    
    Ah, it was just that Golooly paid off all the judges to get back at
    Tonya bich.
    
    JaKe
    

    not only do we not know what we're talking about, but we don't have a
    life either since we have our own version of sports talk radio here.
    
    Way to go Nancy!  

    
    
    Breaking sports news as it happens:
    
    
    There was a terrible accident immediately following Tonya's
    technical program. 
    
    
    
    Tonya stopped short and Connie Chung broke her nose

    
    
    Kerrigan
    Bayul
    Bonaly
    
    comment was that Kerrigan always does her short program very well. Long
    program Bayul is considered stronger.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    <no form feed here>
    
    Now how do I keep my mouth shut watching this tonight?
    
    And how do I stay awake?

    Mike, I read your note out loud and two people bought it...
    

    
    
    Per interview w/ the Soupy one after her 1st place performance:
    
    She considers herself a better long program performer and has never
    felt more prepared for that segment even better than in November.
    
    About her interviewing skills:  She definetly won't have to worry
    about getting attacked on her way to any MENSA meetings in the near
    future.
    
    Regarding the radio broadcast:  It was Paul Wylie doing the
    play-by-blade commentary,  he obviously knows T & N's programs
    inside and out and basically called what they were preparing to
    do next on the ice and commented on whether or not they did it well.
    Not too bad,  for skating anyway.
    
    ML

>    About her interviewing skills:  She definetly won't have to worry
>    about getting attacked on her way to any MENSA meetings in the near
>    future.
    
As Imus says, she obviously didn't have much time to spend in the library
with all that skating practice......

 I think the woman from France got screwed. She was very impressive and
 flawless. My only guess is that she skated too early in the draws so the
 judges saved the higher marks for the later performers. The Russian woman 
 slips on the triple but still pulls down second. Cmon?

 mike

    Oksana Baiul and a German skater collided on the ice during practice
    this morning. The German had to be carried off,while Baiul had a couple
    of stitches. 
    
    Police are checking Tonya Harding's alibi. :-)
    
    

>>    Police are checking Tonya Harding's alibi. :-)
    
	Abso-freakin'-lutly rollward!


	billl

Well line on Imus was Harding could still win, neve know what will happen
to the 9 skaters ahead of her; actually only first 6 would have to
get "injured".

Overnight ratings for CBS topped those for the last episode of M.A.S.H
and the last episode of Cheers.

The Crazy Met

    
    Tonya delayed her appearance on the ice.  The curtains were closed
    because she was having an asthma attack.  Then she takes 1 last puff of 
    her inhaler and walks onto the ice.  Her first move was supposed to be
    a triple lutz (skating to Jurassic Park), but only did a single lutz. 
    She immediately dropped her hands in disgust and burst into tears.  She
    approached the judges and said her skates were too tight and they
    skipped her and went on to the next skater.  Nobody seems to know how
    this will be dealt with now.
    
    Supposedly she did this in last year's world championships too.
    
    Mike

    
    Tonya's free skate <spoiler alert>
    
    
    
    Tonya was supposed to have skated...to Jurassic Park.
    
    As she was being announced she was hacking from her asthma and
    had two minutes to take the ice after being announced.
    
    She used all of it...fixing her skate and using inhaler.
    
    Takes the ice, nice round of applause, and heads backwards 
    for her 1st jump triple lutz
    
    
    Pops out after a single,  starts to cry and stops skating.
    
    She headed towards her coach and they go to work on her skate...
    arguing quite a bit w/ each other about what to fix.
    
    Skate comes off
    
    The next thing is the crowd boos and they announce next skater.
    
    Please fill in the blanks if anyone is listening to 590 AM WEEI
    
    I had to come back in from PM break.  No AM reception in MKO1
    
    ML
    

    
    Tonya will return as the last skater on the list.

    
    Wunnerful. Cain't wait till Baiul grabs her back,Bonaly her
    hamstring and Kerrigan her knee. We'll be here all night..
    
    MikeL
    

    Arranged by CBS of course. Nancy,watch out!!

    re .166
    
    Hahahahaha!

    
    
     HAH! That's a riot!!
    
     She complains her skate is too tight, walks off the ice, and
    this is OK?   Equipment failure this is not!!
    
    
     What kind of crapola is that?
    
      

    
    She's skating now and doing okay so far.  I think I might get that JP
    soundtrack.

    
    Tonya is currently in 2nd after the long program.  The Japanese lady is
    in first.  Most of the top 6 skaters, including Kerrigan, Bonaly, and
    Witt haven't gone yet.

    
    Nancy just wowed them and takes over first in the long program.

    
    
    Remind me not to tailgate -.1
    
    Decaf...think about it.  7:^>
    
    
    

    
    The Ukranian has just passed Nancy (who is now silver bound).

  Figure Skating Question



  Any word on how Chen Lu from China did?

  She was my dark horse pick and she was suppose to skate before Nancy. Sounds
like I have a ticket to tear up. 

  George

    
>  Any word on how Chen Lu from China did?
>
>  She was my dark horse pick and she was suppose to skate before Nancy. Sounds
>like I have a ticket to tear up. 
    
    she's 3rd.  Katarina is skating now.  Nancy is on the short end of a
    5-4 ordinal split.  Her only hope is for someone else to get a first
    place vote.

    
    What did Katarina and Bonaly do?  Was there any change in the 
    standings?  How closely did Oksana beat NK by?  And don't say
    by a length of pipe...please.
    
    ML
    

    
    Bonaly go yet?
    

    >    Bonaly go yet?
    
    yes and she fell.  5.5's to 5.7's

    
    Ukranian wins the Gold.
    Nancy wins the Silver.
    Tonya was 7th, Katarina 8th.

    
    Who got the bronze?
    

>>    <<< Note 159.183 by HANNAH::ASHE "One of the sweethearts at Digital" >>>

    Who got the bronze?
    


	Chen Lu

  I heard

    
    Oksana Baiul Ukranian   Gold.
    Nancy Kerrigan          Silver.
    Chen Lu  China          Bronze
    Surya Bonaly            4th (but they weren't sure)
    .
    .
    .
    Tonya 7th, 
    Katarina 8th.

  George

    
>    Who got the bronze?
    
    I think it was Chen Lu.

     Yes, to Publishers Clearing House!

    
    
    Vicious rumor floating from the fjords... Baiul "backed" into
    the gold...
    
    
    I'm ready for da BigTime ba-doom!
    
    Sorry,
    MikeL
    

    
    I heard Canada won in ice hockey today.
    

    Re:190 considering that the game won't be played until TOMORROW
    morning I think you may have heard wrong..
    
    REK
    
    PS Nancy K skated not to lose, not to WIN....

    Gee REK, I thought the SEMI's were Friday and Canada won... not true?
    

naw REK, she just didn't cry enough.....

the judging was a sham!

If Nancy was a pixie she would have won....

mike

    	 don't know how you could say Nancy skated "not to lose"
    REK. She looked pretty aggresive to me. 
    Mike's correct, Baiul double-footed a landing and won.
    
    BTW sine the game is over, we don't need no steenking ff.
    
    Sweden captures the gold iin hockey by virtue of a shootout.
    Forsberg scores in the 2nd sudden death, Karyla does not.
    Weird way to decide a champeenship,
    
    Tough fate for Canada..
    

    What good is doing a short program and coming in first place and then
    doing a long program and losing  the gold by 5-4. Why doesn't the
    short program count for anything?? I don't understand...
    
    
                      stig

    
    Team Canada lost a tough game. I kinda wished they kept playing in
    overtime instead of shootout. I would like to see Canada win the
    gold medal in ice hockey. There's always next time.
    
            Craig
    
    
    

    The gold medal should have been skate til you drop.  Not based on a 
    shootout...
    

RE.    What good is doing a short program and coming in first place and then
    doing a long program and losing  the gold by 5-4. Why doesn't the
    short program count for anything?? I don't understand...
    
   



My gripe as well., All along they ssay that the short program is worth 1/3 of 
the score, how does that get factored in, other than assuring a top position.
Postions 1-3 all could win the gold if they won the long program, so in 
effect coming in 3 means a much as 1. So again where is 1/3 implemented.

Since both Oksana and NAncy tied on the Germans card 11.6 , why not have the
short program decide the final outcome and not just one measly artistic score
of 5.9 beat a 5.8 on one card.




Mike



 

    The reason Nancy Kerrigan lost was simple: NATO vs. the Eastern block. 
    Look at the countries the judges were from.  The German judge who cast
    the deciding vote was from East Germany.
    
    Mike

RE                     <<< Note 159.198 by BUMP::MMARLAND >>>

>My gripe as well., All along they ssay that the short program is worth 1/3 of 
>the score, how does that get factored in, other than assuring a top position.
>Postions 1-3 all could win the gold if they won the long program, so in 
>effect coming in 3 means a much as 1. So again where is 1/3 implemented.

  I've explained this in detail in the regular Olympic note. Do you disagree
with all that I've said there? It seems like kind of a waste for us to have
to repeat everything in this note.

  George

    You're not serious, are you?  How do you know which one was "the
    deciding" judge?  Can you pin it on one?
    
    If anything, Baiul was the defending champ, right?  In boxing, you have
    to beat the champ.  Did Kerrigan do that?  I don't know.  You can get
    caught up in the soap opera between Tonya and Nancy, but it was getting
    old.  That vs. the orphan girl who needed stiches but skated with more
    artisitic expression can be argued for years...
    

	Hey, /er, the cable disconnect did the trick Friday night!  It was
	truly a joyous evening, shooting pool, playing darts, singin' along
	with Johnny Paycheck...ah what a life!


	billl

    I thought they had a tie breaker judge identified.  That's how I
    understood it to work.  As a matter of fact, he had them in a dead
    tie and the rule is artistry over techno.  It was a tied as you
    get without a draw.
    
    Babe-ul won the artistic and Nance won the techno...
    
    Chip_GSH_Bach

RE    <<< Note 159.202 by HANNAH::ASHE "One of the sweethearts at Digital" >>>

>    You're not serious, are you?  How do you know which one was "the
>    deciding" judge?  Can you pin it on one?

  There were 4 judges from the west that picked Kerrigan, 4 from the east that
picked Oksana Baiul and the German Judge that split the vote with Kerrigan
winning the technical and Baiul winning the presentation. Since presentation
is the tie breaker for the long program Baiul won the long program.

  She won the overall event for the reasons I've spelled out a number of times
in the other note.

>    If anything, Baiul was the defending champ, right?  In boxing, you have
>    to beat the champ.  

  This isn't boxing. The vote was so close none of the judges could possibly
have picked the number they did with any confidence of there being any given
outcome. If any of them had gone a couple tenths the other way the vote would
have changed.

>You can get
>    caught up in the soap opera between Tonya and Nancy, but it was getting
>    old.  That vs. the orphan girl who needed stiches but skated with more
>    artisitic expression can be argued for years...

  No doubt it will. To this day Yogi says that Jackie Robinson was out. Only
difference, almost no one is saying that baseball is not a sport.

  George

>There were 4 judges from the west that picked Kerrigan, 4 from the east that
>picked Oksana Baiul and the German Judge that split the vote with Kerrigan
>winning the technical and Baiul winning the presentation. Since presentation
>is the tie breaker for the long program Baiul won the long program.
                     
        From what I've heard from people here who watched it, that assessment
    was right on... Kerrigan was better technically, Bauil was better
    artistically.  The German judge saw what I've heard others saw.  What's
    the big dispute? 

RE    <<< Note 159.206 by HANNAH::ASHE "One of the sweethearts at Digital" >>>

>        From what I've heard from people here who watched it, that assessment
>    was right on... Kerrigan was better technically, Bauil was better
>    artistically.  The German judge saw what I've heard others saw.  What's
>    the big dispute? 

  There is no big dispute. Some people, including Kerrigan, are grumbling that
because Bauil two footed a couple triples, Kerrigan should have won. Others
say that Bauil was the right choice because her foot work put her back into
it technically and her presentation was better.

  Most of the people complaining the loudest are sports writers from the west,
particularly the Boston area, who don't know a whole lot about the sport. For
that matter, some of them don't know a whole lot about any sport, they just
like to complain.

  Bottom line is that Bauil won and the conventional wisdom from the skating
crowd is that it was an acceptable call. On to Nagono.

  George

    And Nancy needs to swallow some of those sour grapes.  For someone who
    was talking about how much she wanted to do this for her country she
    bolted pretty quick to one of her sponsors instead of going to the
    closing ceremonies.  The crack about the makeup didn't help her cause.

    Count me as one who was pretty turned off by Kerrigan's remarks/actions
    after she skated Friday.  She obviously has had some pretty shrewd
    advisors that kept her quite before and during the olympics.  Too bad
    they can't babysit her all the time.
    
    At least you know where you stand with Harding.  What you see is what
    you get!  With Kerrigan who knows?  Seems she and her parents have
    enjoyed playing up the sweet innocent image to the public.  I'm not
    buying it.
    
    - Rope

    Just to add a bit more to this sour grapes discussion.  While at my MOL's 
    for dinner on Sunday it was unanimous 7 (four women, three men) to zip 
    that Kerrigan was being an extremely sore loser.  The women were adamant 
    in stating their case.  My wife and I also felt that NK could have diffused 
    some of this ill feeling toward her, by sticking around for the closing 
    ceremonies. 
    
    As an aside, Torville and Dean showed me a lot by taking part in the
    ceremonies.
    
    					Steve

No one has answered my question on the Short program and how it figures in the
final scoring.

Going back about 3 olympics, there used to be 3 parts of the competition,
the compulsory's, short, long program, I beleive 1980, Linda Frattiani, won both
the short and long programs but botched the comp's and as a result won the
silver. They then did away with the comp's. So now if anyone knows where and
how the short program is figured into the final score I'd appreciate a response.



Mike


 

    Mike,
    I think George spelled it out in the other '94 Olympics note.
    Not sure if I remember the note # or his explanation. It seems
    to me as if the judges treat the short program as a seeding
    event. "OK, let's see how they skate, get the top performers( by
    reputation it seems), rank them, get rid of the wannabees (4.9's
    etc), and concentrate on the long program. The one who does the
    fandango in our faces at the buzzer wins..." 8^)
    
    MikeL
    

>    At least you know where you stand with Harding.  What you see is what
>    you get!  With Kerrigan who knows?  Seems she and her parents have
>    enjoyed playing up the sweet innocent image to the public.  I'm not
>    buying it.
    
    Sure, in today's world of upside-down morality, it's always better to
    be openly boorish and insensitive maybe even to the point of criminality 
    than to generally show good manners and be well-behaved and know when 
    to keep your mouth shut.  Because if you're the latter and you slip up 
    and show your feelings once in a while, then you're a phony.  It's
    beyond me how people pretend to know anything about what a person is
    really like based on television clips, by almost always assuming the
    worst, until proven otherwise...
    
    glenn
     

RE    <<< Note 159.208 by HANNAH::ASHE "One of the sweethearts at Digital" >>>

>    And Nancy needs to swallow some of those sour grapes.  For someone who
>    was talking about how much she wanted to do this for her country she
>    bolted pretty quick to one of her sponsors instead of going to the
>    closing ceremonies.  The crack about the makeup didn't help her cause.

  I disagree with 2 things here. First, it's not at all clear that she has
to swallow the sour grapes. WBZ reported that the Disney deal she signed was
worth $2 million. Also the Globe is reporting that she won't be going to
the World Championship which means she's probably going to go pro so this
won't be an issue again. The rest of her career will be carefully orchestrated.

  I also disagree with the claim that she talked about doing it for her
country. When did she say that? If she has been consistent about one thing over
the last 3 years it is that she skates for herself and no one else. It's kind
of egotistical but I give her credit for being honest. 

  George

RE                     <<< Note 159.211 by BUMP::MMARLAND >>>
>                           -< Where is the program >-

>No one has answered my question on the Short program and how it figures in the
>final scoring.

  The short program counts 1/3 and the long program counts 2/3. The way it
works is this.

  In each program, each judge gives a score for technical and presentation.
The scores of each judge are added together to give one score and that score
is compared to the scores of the other skaters giving a relative ranking called
an "ordinal". If you get the highest scores from a judge, your ordinal is 1. If
you get the 2nd highest your ordinal is 2 and so forth.

  If 5 judges rank you ahead of another skater than your overall ordinal is
lower (hence better) than theirs. So at the end of each competition the
skaters are ordered by their ordinal score.

  After the short program the ordinals are divided by 2. So the ordinal
scores after the short program were.

        Place        Skater                 Ordinal Score (place/2)
        -----        ------                 -----------------------
          1     Nancy Kerrigan USA               0.5
          2     Oksana Baiul Ukrainian           1.0
          3     Surya Bonaly France              1.5
          4     Chen Lu China                    2.0
                ...
         10     Tonya Harding USA                5.0

  In the long program they finished something like:

        Place        Skater                 Ordinal Score (place)
        -----        ------                 ---------------------
          1     Oksana Baiul Ukrainian           1.0
          2     Nancy Kerrigan USA               2.0
          3     Chen Lu China                    3.0
          4     Surya Bonaly France              4.0
                ...
          7     Tonya Harding USA                7.0

  Adding those scores together you get:

          1     Oksana Baiul Ukrainian           1.0 + 1.0 =  2.0
          2     Nancy Kerrigan USA               0.5 + 2.0 =  2.5
          3     Chen Lu China                    2.0 + 3.0 =  5.0
          4     Surya Bonaly France              1.5 + 4.0 =  5.5
                ...
          8     Tonya Harding USA                5.0 + 7.0 = 12.0

  Baiul wins the Gold. Notice that Chen Lu just edged Surya Bonaly for the
Bronze. That was a close call as well and would have been even more of a
controversy had it been for the gold since Chen Lu is all style and Surya
Bonaly is all athlete.

  Also notice how Tonya "lost the gold medal in the short program". Even
if she had won the long program her 5.0 ordinal in the short program would
have taken her out of the race for the gold medal. Oksana Baiul finished
2nd in the short program and her 1.0 ordinal kept her well within the hunt.

  George

Thanks, very informative...


Mike

	In addition to Campbell's, Disney, and Reebok, Nancy has also inked
	a deal with Revlon to endorse their products.  Terms were not announced
	but my guess it's for a pile of money.

	Kevin

    >    At least you know where you stand with Harding.  What you see is what
    
    I could care less either way, but it's quite obvious that you shouldn't
    buy this line either.

>  If 5 judges rank you ahead of another skater than your overall ordinal is
>lower (hence better) than theirs. So at the end of each competition the
>skaters are ordered by their ordinal score.

 Note that if 5 judges rate you as #1 and 4 judges rate you as #7 (for example)
 your ordinal is #1 for that program.  This isn't any sort of averaging that
 were are talking about.  Of course, this is unlikely to happen, but having
 5 #1's, 2 #2, and 2 #3's would beat someone with 4 #1's and 5 #2's, even
 though the second person's overall average would be better.  And that has 
 happened.

Let's see, Christi Yamaguchi wins gold, in 92 and lands a few tv ad's 
endorsemenst etc, etc, etc.

Nancy K wins silver and bingo world celebrity.... The tire iron across the
knee in my mind was the best thing that happened. It's 20/20 hindset, but would
she be clammored with this if there was just a Silver medal and no Harding
incident....



I'm only saying this from revenue generating point and not saying it's ok to
go slam someone to gain fame.


mm

>  Of course, this is unlikely to happen, but having
>  5 #1's, 2 #2, and 2 #3's would beat someone with 4 #1's and 5 #2's, even
>  though the second person's overall average would be better.  And that has 
>  happened.
    
    Not only has it happened, it's exactly what happened in the long
    skating program!  Bauil had two third-place ordinals.  It seems to be
    kind of a quirk in the scoring system that doesn't feel quite right,
    but I suspect that it's there to prevent one poor or biased judge from
    really killing a particular competitor... 
    
    glenn
    

RE                     <<< Note 159.220 by BUMP::MMARLAND >>>

>Let's see, Christi Yamaguchi wins gold, in 92 and lands a few tv ad's 
>endorsemenst etc, etc, etc.

  I've heard the claim made that Yamaguchi gets less offers because of
discrimination against Japanese Americans. 

  This is just a rumor so take it for what it's worth. She has landed
contracts for contact lenses and Wendy's hamburgers.

  George

    
     re .220
    
     I've said that all along. Few, if any, people outside of Mass. knew
     or cared about Nancy before this incident. She's not over bright and
     if she had to get by on charisma she'd be eating out of dumpsters. I've 
     seen table lamps with more presence. But she had her face plastered on
     every newspaper, magazine and newscast. You just can't buy that kind of
     publicity and now she's filthy stinking rich because of it.

Amazingly enough after Bayul skated, Kerrigan still had a chance for the gold.
If one of the judges who ranked Bayul 1, gave Chen a highers score (Chen skated
after Bayul), then Bayul and Kerrigan would each have 4 #1's, Kerrigan would
have 4 2's and 1 3; Bayul 3 2's and 2 3's and that would have given Kerrigan
the gold.

The Crazy Met

  I believe that back around 1924 there was a real close contest in the Ladies
singles where the woman who won didn't have a single 1st place ordinal in the
long program. 

  Until this contest it had been called the closest contest in the history
of this event.

  George

>  Until this contest it had been called the closest contest in the history
>of this event.

Yep.  Kept me on the edge of my seat in breathless anticipation.....



NOT....

>  I've heard the claim made that Yamaguchi gets less offers because of
>discrimination against Japanese Americans. 
    
    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.  Look at the
    endorsements handed out for minority and non-minority MVP's in the 4 
    major sports.  Admittedly, the NBA has improved in this area over the
    last 10 years.

>Amazingly enough after Bayul skated, Kerrigan still had a chance for the gold.
>If one of the judges who ranked Bayul 1, gave Chen a highers score (Chen skated
>after Bayul), then Bayul and Kerrigan would each have 4 #1's, Kerrigan would
>have 4 2's and 1 3; Bayul 3 2's and 2 3's and that would have given Kerrigan
>the gold.

 Actually, Chen skated first in the final 6 pairing.  It would have required
 that Bonaly, Witt, or Swezczenko(sp) to have taken one of Bayul's 1st place
 marks to have given the Gold to Kerrigan.

    I thought Kerrigan skated before Oksana Bauil.

	She did.  The order of the final 6 was drawn
	1. Chen 2. Kerrigan 3. Baiul 4. Bonaly 5. Swezczenko(sp) 6. Witt

	Rollins x75351

>>             <<< Note 159.217 by BSS::NEUZIL "Just call me Fred" >>>


>>	In addition to Campbell's, Disney, and Reebok, Nancy has also inked
>>	a deal with Revlon to endorse their products.  Terms were not announced


Is she gonna pose for the before pictures?

woops; should have said Bonaly - she was the one who really had a chance - then
she fell.

The Crazy Met

    In reading all of the notes discussing Nancy's personality, you should
    remember that Nancy did not ask to be in the spotlight, it was thrust
    upon her by the attack on her, hence the intense media coverage.  Nancy
    is a shy, private person, but one who is also very personable and
    giving.  She, along with her family worked very hard and sacrificied a
    lot of time and money so that she could be where she is today.  The
    portrayals of Nancy since the Olympics have not shown the full
    conversations around the few sentences that the media has decided to
    show the public.  Believe it or not, Nancy is not perfect.  Think of
    what the world would be like if we were all perfect.  None of us would
    have anything or anyone to talk about.......

    
    .-1 
    
    In fact, a Disney spokeperson commented on the two or three Kerrigan
    soundbites flying around on Tabloid TV by stating that she wasn't
    perfect and Disney didn't hire perfect people.  How many noters in here
    would have handled being in the fishbowl as well as she has.  She
    performed brillantly at the Olympics while under intense pressure and
    scrutiny by the press.  I agree with the last reply, she didn't ask for
    any of this media attention; she did goal herself to skate well and get
    a gold medal at the Olympics.
    
    Just my 2 cents,
    
    Al
    
    

    You learn to do it if you're paid $2 million to do it...
    

    But do you think she would have done so well and Tanya done so poorly
    if this attack never happened?
    
    

RE      <<< Note 159.237 by SWAM1::OHL_TA "Ouch! Ice burns to the face!" >>>

>    But do you think she would have done so well and Tonya done so poorly
>    if this attack never happened?
    
  Yes, they both finished about where people expected them to finish based
on how they've been doing all year.

  By the way, Tonya did not do poorly. A top 10 finish at the world level is
considered to be very good. 

  George

    Anybody catch the Tai Babalonia movie on Lifetime yesterday?  She
    turned to pills and alcohol after the letdown of the Olympics.  That
    was the one where Randy Gardner came up with the muscle tear two days
    before their performance at Innsbrook and they had to default when he
    couldn't complete.
    
    
    Spud

    Since the Winter Olympics are over, this note has been writelocked. 
    Feel free to continue discussions in the other Winter Olympics note
    (155 I think).