Conference hbahba::cam_sports

    
    9:49 EST
    
    	DEC stock +3 1/8.
    
    	
    Claybroon

    10:26 EST
    
    	DEC stock + 4 1/8.    :*)
    
    Claybroon

11:40 EST

DEC stock +5 3/8

The Crazy Met

    Q2 earnings reported, only a $73M loss.  Have we turned the corner?
    
    Brews

    
    	From a good source (friend of mine who's a broker and on line):
    
    	DEC stock +5 7/8, over 2.8 million shares have traded...as of
    	about 10 minutes ago.
    
    Claybroon

    
    	Possibly another reason why stock is going up is that we have
    reported a 6% increase over a year ago in operating revenue.....
    
    

    Hopefully this is the kick in the pants we needed.  It's much more
    enjoyable to welcome folks like Roy back.

DEC 41, change +6 1/8; DJIA unknown, change unknown at 12:43.
Report entered at Thu Jan 14 12:59:27 1993.

DEC 42 1/8, change +7 1/4; DJIA Unknown change Unknown at 1:40pm
Report was entered at Thu Jan 14 08:42:01 1993

The Crazy Met

    Better check again...
    
    REK

    Cost of sales has still increased while employee population decreased.
    Although the news is "less negative", we still have an awfully long way
    to go.
    
    Mark.

    If they reinstate 0% financing, maybe the employees will continue to
    keep the PC business going.

Who scored for the Broons lasted night?


'Saw

	Jagr damn near scored for them, too.  He passed back to Wreggett(sp?)
	the goalie, hit the post and almost went in.  When the Pens have a 
	bad game they don't mess around!

	Bill

    'Saw,
    
    I might have been easier to ask who DIDN'T score.
    
    JaKe
    

    You realize there are only 8 teams under .500 in the league?  Takes a
    lot of work by Ottawa and San Jose to keep the other 16 over .500 I
    guess...
    

Why so late today, Karen??

The Crazy Met

    
    Saturday's Minnesota hockey game marked an interesting feat.  The two
    teams were a combined 0-0-12 in overtime games on the season.
    
    Marc
    

re: .37

Late night????:-)

The Crazy Met

>     No games tonight.  They want everyone to watch the Bird hoopla.

Gag! So far I managed to miss every sportscast segment since Monday on the
Boston stations. Only a few more days to go. And the thing that really tees
me off is that they are delaying The Simpsons to broadcast this.

The Crazy Met

    awwwwwwwww go watch that nutty weatherman from WOR while you're
    waiting, TCM
    
    MikeL
    

Got it timed just right to catch the weather and then its back to ESPN.

The Crazy Met

    Back to the scoreboard:
    
    NHL All-Star game 
    
    Wales 16 Campbell 6
    
    Mets in '93
    The Crazy Met
    

>    Calgary 13 Sharks  1
    
Geez, they musta thought they were still at the All-Star game!

>    Chicago  6  Bruins  2

Karen, 

They gave this as 6-3 on the radio this morning......


'Saw

    Karen, considered yourself SHOT!


    REK

    I could really care less about them, but I don't think the NoStars
    played Wednesday night.  That would have been three days in a row.
    
    
    Spud

    Karen,
    
    You may change the NoStars to the LoneStars any time now.  They be gone
    from here.  Funny part would be if they missed the playoffs.  Which,
    with the Mavs down there REALLY ought to pump up interest.  :*O
    
    
    Spud

    Can someone explain why Buffalo and Calgary have not yet Clinched,
    it seems to me it take a few days/weeks after someone clinches before
    the paper finaly marks them as such ????? Just Curious... by my calc
    The Adams Conf is set (not the order just the teams) ????

Wales Conference

Adams           W   L   T   Pts 

x-Montreal.....42  23   6    90
x-Quebec.......38  22  10    86
x-Boston.......37  24   7    81
Buffalo........33  26   9    75
gOWHaLe........20  43   5    45
Ottawa..........9  57   4    22


Buffalo and Hartford have played 68 games.  There are 16 games left
for each.

Hartford mathematically could pick up 32 more points, putting them at 77,
while Buffalo could put up 0 more points leaving them at 75, thus
Hartford could still get a fourth playoff spot.

Not likely, but still possible.....


'Saw

Campbell Conference

Smythe           W   L   T   Pts

x-Vancouver.....38  23   9    85
Calgary.........36  24  10    82
Winnipeg........31  33   6    68
LAKings.........30  31   7    67
Edmonton........24  39   8    56
San Jose........10  58   2    22



Calgary has played 70, and could remain at 82 points.

Edmonton has played 71, and could get 26 more points, tying them
with Calgary at 82.   Perhaps the tie-breaker could still go to
Edmonton, thus Calgary has not clinched.....


'Saw

    I thought they (NHL) played 2 games less then NBA not 2 more ?????

>    I thought they (NHL) played 2 games less then NBA not 2 more ?????


84 games is new this year.  Probably because of the expansion clubs.

I'm not sure what's on tap for next year when they add the two new 
clubs........


'Saw

Actually 84 games was part of the agreement with the players last spring.

The Crazy Met

    
    Living in Colorado puts dampers on data collection.  Could someone tell
    me what happened in the semifinal and final round of basketball between
    Delaware - Drexel - Northeastern - Hartford (?)
    
    All I know is that Delaware got the NCAA bid.
    
    Marc
    

>    Living in Colorado puts dampers on data collection.  Could someone tell
>    me what happened in the semifinal and final round of basketball between
>    Delaware - Drexel - Northeastern - Hartford (?)
>    
>    All I know is that Delaware got the NCAA bid.
    
If I remember right, Drexel beat Hartford, and it sounds like Delaware
beat Drexel......


'Saw    

    
>>Hartford mathematically could pick up 32 more points, putting them at 77,
>>while Buffalo could put up 0 more points leaving them at 75, thus
>>Hartford could still get a fourth playoff spot.
    
    
    And pigs wil fly someday, too!!!!   (8^)*
    
    JaKe
    

>    And pigs wil fly someday, too!!!!   (8^)*
    
A pig would fly if you threw it out of an airplane, I'd bet.

Of course, it would have the glide path of a rock.....


'Saw    

    
>>A pig would fly if you threw it out of an airplane, I'd bet.

>>Of course, it would have the glide path of a rock.....
    
    Yeah, but think of the poor bastard on the ground who got hit by the
    "flying pig", or what the pig got scared out of him.
    
    I wouldn't term it "flying" though.  More like being under the extreme
    effect of gravity.
    
    JaKe
    

GREAT game in goal last night by John Blue.   Great goaltending makes up
for a lazy defense, and that was the situation last night.


'Saw

MikeL

I can't believe I missed that timestamp, must be slowing down :-)

The Crazy Met

    
    The Boston Globe lists the following for tonight
    
    Boston at Buffalo		7:40
    Montreal at Hartford	7:40
    Philadelphia at N.Y.R.	7:40
    St. Louis at Calgary	9:40
    Los Angeles at Vancouver	10:40
    

    5:45 on Saturday? say it ain't so :-(
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    Boston at Hartford		7:40
    Buffalo at Washington	7:40
    Philadelphia at N.Y.I.	7:40
    Ottawa at Pittsburgh	7:40
    Vancouver at St. Louis	8:40
    Winnipeg at Calgary		9:40
    
    (All times EST)

> Ottawa at Pittsburgh	7:40

Ottawa is 0-36-0 on the road this year. The record for futility on
the road is 37 games. Unless a miracle happens Ottawa will tie
that record tonight. Thye could go all year without a road point.

The Crazy Met

>    Pitts.  10  gOWHaLE  2


My brother was going NUTS.  Every time (for the first four goals) Pittsburgh
scored, he'd call me up. 8^)

Meantime, I was getting ready to watch Jerry blow it with that most
babe-a-licious lady on his show.......


'Saw

>    Montreal 3  Buffalo 2 OT
>    Quebec   6  Ottawa  2


So, from that it looks like the vaunted Habs finished in 3rd place in the
Adams Division.....


'Saw

American League			National League

4/15

Jays   3  Sea	  1		Expos  2   Astros   1
Tigers 3  As	  2		Col    5   Mets     3
Cal       Milw ppd		Bucs   5   Padres   4 (13 in)
BoSox  4  Indians 3 (13 in)  	Cards	   LA  (late)
KC     5  Yanks   4		Braves	   Giants (late)

4/16

ChiSox @ BoSox			Phils @ Cubs
As @ Milw			Col @ Expos
Sea @ Tigers			Mets @ Reds
Jays @ Indians			Fla @ Astros
Texas @ Yanks			Cards @ Padres
Cal @ Os			Bucs @ LA
KC @ Twins			Braves @ Giants

    MLB scores for 4/24
    
    National League			American League
    
    CIN  15	SFO 1			CHI  4		BAL 6
    CHI   5	MON 6			TOR 10		KAN 5
    
    FLA   2	SDG 5			TEX 15		CLE 10
    COL   1	NYM 3			MIL  4		OAK  3
    
    LOS   3	HOU 8			DET 17		BOS 3
    PHI   7	PIT 4			MIN 1		CAL 2 (5)
    
    ATL   11				NYY 0 (4)
    STL    0				SEA 0 

    National League			American League
    
    SFO 4	PHI 5			TEX 6		DET 16
    MON 1	LOS 2			MIL 1		MIN 5
    
    PIT 7	SDG 9			KAN 3		TOR 1
    HOU 2	NYM 8			BAL 2		CHI 0
    
    STL 7	CHI 2			CLE 6		NYY 9
    ATL 3	CIN 1			OAK 0 (8)	SEA 7 (5)
    
    FLA 11				BOS 0
    COL  1				CAL 0 (1)

    update:
    
    BOS 1
    CAL 2
    
    The Crazy Met
    

	Here's the updates from 4/25 p.m.

	CLE 6		NYY 10		CAL 2
	OAK 0		SEA  9		BOS 1

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.baseball
Subject: Major League Leaders
Keywords: baseball, men's professional
Message-ID: <bb-leadersU3y31225ae@clarinet.com>
References: <bb-leadersU3AR1150ae@clarinet.com>
X-Supersedes: <bb-leadersU3y2258ae@clarinet.com>
Date: Sun, 2 May 93 21:30:01 PDT
ACategory: sports
Slugword: bb-leaders
Priority: regular
Format: table
ANPA: Wc: 825/0; Id: z0286; Sel: xxsbp; Adate: 5-3-1225aed; Ver: 2/2
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                         American League
(All Sunday May 2 results included)
                             Batting
(Based on 3.1 plate appearances multiplied by number of games played)
                         American League
                              ab   r   h  pct.
Olerud, Tor.                   86  16  39  .453
Gibson, Det.                   64  14  26  .406
Vaughn, Bos.                   76  13  30  .395
Cooper, Bos.                   87  11  31  .356
Baines, Bal.                   62   8  22  .355
Phillips, Det.                 96  18  34  .354
Rodriguez, Tex.                71  10  25  .352
Johnson, Chi                   91  12  32  .352
Hamilton, Mil.                 80  11  27  .338
Fryman, Det.                   98  21  33  .337
                         National League
                              ab   r   h  pct.
Bonds, S.F.                    80  26  34  .425
Galarraga, Col.                94  13  37  .394
Slaught, Pit.                  64   4  24  .375
Merced, Pit.                   72  12  25  .347
Vizcaino, Chi                  84   7  29  .345
Kruk, Phi.                     79  18  27  .342
Lansing, Mon.                  82  14  28  .341
Anthony, Hou.                  86  14  29  .337
Bagwell, Hou.                  93  16  31  .333
Gwynn, S.D.                   104  13  34  .327

                            Home Runs
        American League -- Belle, Cle and Palmer, Tex, 8; Gonzalez,
Tex, Griffey, Sea and and Carter, Tor, 7; Deer, Det, Martinez, Sea
and Snow, Cal 6.
        National League -- Williams and Bonds, SF 8; Sheffield, SD
6; nine tied at 5.
                         Runs Batted In
        American League -- Carter, Tor and Canseco, Tex, 26; Belle,
Cle 23; Fryman, Det 22; Thomas, Chi 21; Rodriguez, Tex and Greenwell,
Bos 20; Tettledon, Det 19.
        National League -- Bonds, SF 28; Galarraga, Col 26; Hayes,
Col; Grace, Chi and Williams, SF 20; Bagwell, Hou, and Hollins, Phi
18; Grissom, Mon, and Van Slyke, Pit 17.

                             Doubles
        American League -- Vaughn, Bos 10; Canseco, Tex 9; Anderson,
Bal and Olerud, Tor 8; 12 tied with 7.
        National League -- Bonds, SF and Galarraga, Col 9; Bagwell,
Hou and Williams, SF 8; nine tied with 7.

                             Triples
        American League -- Pagliarulo, Min 4; Burks, Chi, Greenwell,
Bos, Lofton, Cle and Ripken, Bal, McRae, KC and Polonia, Cal 3; five
tied at 2.
        National League -- Martin, Pit 4; Vanderwal, Mon 3; 12 tied
at 2.
                          Stolen Bases
        American League -- Curtis, Cal, Lofton, Cle and R.Henderson,
Oak 12; Felder, Sea, Johnson, Chi and McRae, KC 7; Hulse, Tex, Alomar
and Molitor, Tor 6.
        National League -- Cole, Col 14; Lewis, SF and Nixon, Atl,
Carr, Fla and E.Young, Col 12; Davis, LA 9; Coleman, NY, Dykstra, Phi
and Gwynn SD 8; Butler, LA 7.

                           Runs Scored
        American League -- Canseco, Tex and Carter, Tor 26; Belle,
Cle 23; Fryman, Det 22; Thomas, Chi 21; Greenwell, Bos and Rodriguez,
Tex 20; Tettleton, Det 19.
        National League -- Bonds, SF 26; Williams, SF and Dykstra,
Phi 23; King, Pit and E. Young, Col 19; Biggio, Hou, Cole 18; Kruk,
Phi 18; Daulton, Phi 17.

                              Hits
        American League -- Olerud, Tor 39; Phillips, Det 34; Fryman,
Det 33; Johnson, Chi and McRae, KC 32; Cooper, Bos 31; Vaughn, Bos,
Cora, Chi, Molitor and Alomar, Tor 30.
        National League -- Galarraga, Col 37; Bonds, SF and Gwynn,
SD 34; Williams, SF 33; Bagwell and Blauser, Atl 31; Bell, Pit and
Alou, Mon 30.

                            Pitching
                              Wins
        American League -- McDowell, Chi 5-1; Wells, Det 4-0; Deshaies,
Min, Hentgen, Tor, Clemens and Viola, Bos, 4-1.
        National League -- Burkett, SF 5-0; Hill, Mon 4-0; Jones, Mon
and Schilling, Phi 4-1; Benes, SD, and Swindell, Hou 4-2.

                       Earned Run Average
        American League -- Brown, Tex 1.14; Key, NY 1.16; Wells, Det
and Viola, Bos 1.47; Hanson, Sea 1.53; Clemens, Bos 1.55; Doherty,
Det and Hentgen, Tor 2.08; Fernandez, Chi 2.17; Alvarez, Chi 2.42.
        National League -- Hill, Mon 1.80; Olivares, StL 2.08; Drabek,
Hou 2.25; Smith, Atl 2.35; Greene, Phi 2.45; Schilling, Phi and Gooden,
NY 2.54; Mulholland, Phi 2.60; Bowen, Fla 2. 61; Smoltz, Atl 2.68.

                           Strikeouts
        American League -- Johnson, Sea 47; Clemens, Bos 40; Langston,
Cal 36; Cone, KC and Finley, Cal 35; Appier, KC 34; Bosio, Sea and
Key, NY 29.
        National League -- Smoltz, Atl 39; Armstrong, Fla and Rijo,
Cin 35; Drabek, Hou 34; Benes, SD 32; Maddux, Atl 31; Burkett, SF 29;
Greene, Phi 28; Hough, Fla. 27.

                              Saves
        American League -- Ward, Tor 8; Montgomery, KC and Aguilera,
Min, 7; Russell, Bos 6; Henneman, Det, Farr, NY, Henry, Mil, and Olson,
Bal 5; Henke, Tex 4.
        National League -- L.Smith, SL and Williams, Phi 10; Stanton,
Atl 9; Beck, SF, Harvey, Fla and Myers, Chi 6; Belinda, Pit, Ge.Harris,
SD and Rojas, Mon 5; Jones, Hou 4.

                         Complete Games
        American League -- Finley and Langston, Cal 3; Abbott, NY,
Brown, Tex, Fernandez, Chi, Johnson, Sea and Wegman, Mil 2.
        National League -- Drabek, Hou 3; Belcher, Cin, Gooden, NY,
Hill, Mon, Smoltz, Atl, Mulholland and Schilling, Phi 2.

                            Shutouts
        American League -- Bosio, Sea, Brown, Tex, Dopson, Bos, Fernandez,
Chi, Finley, Cal, Guzman, Tor, Johnson, Sea, Key, NY, Mussina, Bal
and Viola, Bos 1.
        National League -- Schilling, Phi 2; Belcher, Cin, Drabek,
Hou, Gooden, NY and Guzman, Chi 1.

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.baseball
Subject: Monday Major League Linescores
Keywords: baseball, men's professional
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                         American League
California                     001 001 110-- 4 7 0
Cleveland                      000 000 14x-- 5 8 3
        Langston, Valera (8) and Orton; Young, Power (7), Lilliquist
(8) and Ortiz, Levis. W--Lilliquist (1-0). L--Valera (1-2). HRs-- Cleveland,
Belle (2).

                             ------
Oakland                        200 000 020-- 4 8 1
New York                       100 000 010-- 2 4 0
        Welch, Honeycutt (7), Nunez (8), Eckersley (9) and Steinbach;
Abbott, Kamieniecki (8) and Nokes. W--Welch (3-2). L--Abbott (1-5).
S--Eckersley (3). HRs--Oakland, McGwire (2).

                             ------
Seattle                        100 010 000-- 2 8 2
Boston                         000 000 000-- 0 9 1
        Hanson, Swan (7), Nelson (8), Charlton (9) and Valle; Viola,
Quantrill (5), Fossas (8) Ryan (9) and Melvin, Pena (8). W--Hanson
(4-0). L--Viola (4-2). S--Charlton (4).

                             ------
Milwaukee                      020 000 000-- 2  6 3
Texas                          221 103 00x-- 9 14 0
        Eldred, Maldonado (6), Orosco (8) and Nilsson; Brown and Rodriguez.
W--Brown (3-1). L--Eldred (3-3). HRs--Texas, Palmeiro (2), Franco.
end

	(first game of the season)

	Merrimack American Legion Post 98  10
	Milford American Legion		    7

    Where doews the Merrimack team come from?
    
    NAZZ

>>    Where doews the Merrimack team come from?
    
	Merrimack, New Hampshire.  We have kids from Merrimack, Hollis, Amherst,
	and Bedford, NH on the team.  Sorry, nobody from Dracut.

	(next game 6/24 @ Pelham, NH)

	billl

	Pelham Legion      3
	Merrimack Legion   0

	Pelham sent their ace, a 6'3" gangly kid, against us.  The kid was
	throwing BBs and by the 4th inning his breaking stuff had our kids
	back on their heels.  He held us to 3 hits, one of which was a 
	gapper deep into right center (a triple).

	With loosing two starting pitchers and our starting catcher for the
	year we thought we would be in for some real trouble.  However, our
	idea of pitching by committee may just pay off.  We threw three
	different style pitchers at them, (smoke-nasty junk, goofy curve
	baller, then heater).  This kept them off balance until the 8th
	where they got 4 of their 5 hits.

	All in all this team shows some real promise.

	Busy weekend:
		6/26  @ Lebanon, NH
		6/27  @ Walpole, NH


	billl

Sounds like someone trying to call it "a_excellent loss"   8^) 8^) 8^)


'Saw

	6/26

	Lebanon Legion    6
	Merrimack Legion  4


	6/27

	Walpole Legion	  5
	Merrimack Legion  4

more American Legion scores...

	6/30

	Merrimack    7
	Jutras Post  4

	7/1-7/6

	Merrimack paticipated in a tournament in Sydney, Nova Scotia,
	winning 2 and loosing 2.

	7/7

	Merrimack    7
	Hudson       1

	7/8

	Nashua       9
	Merrimack   10

	7/10

	Jutras Post  15
	Merrimack     4


	next Merrimack game today vs. Sweeney Post at Gill Stadium (Manchester)

	7/12

	Merrimack Legion   4
	Sweeney Post       5

	(winning run scored in the bottom of the ninth.  we went into the 
	ninth winnning 4-3.)

	And my wife wonders where all my grey hair comes from!


	next game is tonight (Derry Legion at Pinkerton Academy)

	billl

	Merrimack Legion   1
	Derry Legion       9

	This gives us a 3-6 district record, but after the severe butt-chewing
	last night, and the way they reacted to it, there may still be hope yet.

	next game...7/17 home vs. Lebanon (1pm)

	billl

Try throwing some bats into the shower.......

    Move if this isn't the right place for it...
    
    speaking of champeenships... Jimbo McKay's team swept the Rebels to
    win the MRO-A championship (regular season and playoffs...) 
    congrats...
    

    And the Giants of MRO-C came back to win the last 2 games of their
    playoff series with the Chowderheads and the champeenship. Giants
    were 5-6 and then won their last 9 games to get into the playoffs.
    Included a DH sweep the last day of the season against the team they
    were 2 games behind.
    
    oh yeah I played on the Giants.
    
    The Crazy Met

    
     I like how you tossed in that last part, TCM. You modest bastard.

>    
>     I like how you tossed in that last part, TCM. You modest bastard.
>

Yeah, he should have at least ASKED us if we wanted to see him resume....

    
     I was a-wonderin' what the hell you were talking about.

    
    Hey, if I can force-feel a cat, 'Saw can flunk pronouns!
    
    I remain,
    wonderin if Craze was the official splinter collecter & water boy?
    ;^)
    Kev
    

    Nah Kev, I batted .480 and had an OBA of .580. Scored lots of
    runs and even had quite a few RBI's. Basically it means that just about
    anyone can play softball.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    
     Hey TCM....
    
      I played on the Ballbusters the team you swept to get into the
    playoffs.  I have to say you did sweep us but we did not exactly
    have our entire team there.  Congratulations on you Champeeship 
    though and we will see ya next year.  Do I sound like a Red Sox 
    fan or what??  What position did you say you played?  I was the
    catcher.  If you can't remember ask your pithcer he will.
    
    Jerry

>>    Nah Kev, I batted .480 and had an OBA of .580. Scored lots of
>>    runs and even had quite a few RBI's. Basically it means that just about
>>    anyone can play softball.
    
>>    The Crazy Met

	Pretty impressive numbers there, TCM.  Was this the girls softball 
	league you were talking about?


	nyuk,nyuk
	billl

    re: .171
    
    In our second to last game against each other the Ballbusters had
    a 6 run lead with 1 out in the 7th. We scored 1 run with one out, 5
    with 2 outs to tie the game. Ballbusters did not score in the bottom of
    the 7th and the game was the halted. That game was continued before
    our next regularly scheduled game. Since the Ballbusters did not have
    all their players to conclude the halted game the Giants got 2 in the
    8th and won. In the regular game the Giants did get a 9-0 lead after
    one and then cruised. So the entire team thing does apply to the
    concluding game, but not really to the second game. Anyway it was fun
    and I'm sure we will play next year.
    
    At various times I played 2B or OF.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Cathmeister must have been pitching..
    

>
>    Cathmeister must have been pitching..
>

I'm going to call her up and tell her you said that Walt.


Although I suppose it would be more normal for her to wear a garter
belt to pitch that it would be say, for Walt "Nuclear" Ashe......


8^)

'Saw    

    Call her... I dare ya... I double dare ya...

    nah, I would have remembered if Cathmeister had been pitching.
    one problem with the league is that it is an official Digital league
    and no alchoholic liquids are allowed at the games; quite a bummer
    having to wait until after the game - it's not softball as it was meant
    to be.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

>                      -< Tell Sue and Robin I said hi... >-

WHO?


>    Call her... I dare ya... I double dare ya...

I just might.  I'm gonna tell her you questioned her ability to pitch....

And then just see what she does to you at da nexted Get Together.....8^)
(I'd bet she pours beah all over you)

'Saw

    They work at Cath's new job... give her all kinds of advice.
    
    I can question her ability to pitch... I bet she cain't do as good
    a job as Rhonda did... she should have been the commercial long before
    the jerks they put in there... guess we'll never know since Rhonda was
    the only one with the guts to try out...
    

    'Saw since you brought up the issue, when is the next Get Together? and
    will Karen show up?
    
    The Crazy Met
    

	I ain't sayin' nuffin'.  Yunz have too good a memory and too big
	a mouth!


	billl

>    They work at Cath's new job... give her all kinds of advice.

Oh.
    
>    I can question her ability to pitch... I bet she cain't do as good
>    a job as Rhonda did... she should have been the commercial long before
>    the jerks they put in there... guess we'll never know since Rhonda was
>    the only one with the guts to try out...


Rhonda's COOL, huh-huh, huh-huh-huh.....    

    OK, we've strayed from the topic long enough.  I'll even be a nice guy
    and not screw up your unseen maps as long as you move this discussion
    out of here.

syracuse 41, EAST CAROLINA 22
notre dame 27, MICHIGAN 23
FLORIDA ST 57, clemson 0
PENN ST 21, southern cal 20
tulsa 38, HOUSTON 24
iowa 31, IOWA ST 28
VIRGINIA 38, navy 0
NO CAROLINA 59, maryland 42
va tech 63, PITTSBURGH 21
NEBRASKA 50, texas tech 27
BYU 41, hawaii 38
MISSOURI 31, illinois 3
COLORADO ST 8, air force 5
COLORADO 45, baylor 21
OKLAHOMA 44, texas a&m 14
ARKANSAS 18, so carolina 17
CALIFORNIA 45, san diego st 25
MICHIGAN ST 31, kansas 14
RICE 34, tulane 0
RUTGERS 39, duke 38
nc state 34, WAKE FOREST 16
lsu 18, MISSISSIPPI ST 16
florida 24, KENTUCKY 20
TENNESSEE 38, georgia 6
OHIO ST 21, washington 12
alabama 17, VANDERBILT 6
louisville 54, MEMPHIS ST 28
wisconsin 24, SMU 16
TCU 35, new mexico 34
FRESNO ST 48, oregon st 30

    
>>COLORADO ST 8, air force 5
    
    Was this baseball or football?????
    
    
    (8^)
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Yabbut I miss JD's Weslyan updates......
    
    :*(
    
    I remain,
    thinking of reposting some from lasted year anyway!
    Kev
    

>                   -< Who'd know the difference anyway????? >-
>
>    
>    Yabbut I miss JD's Weslyan updates......
>    
>    :*(
>    
>    I remain,
>    thinking of reposting some from lasted year anyway!
>    Kev


I looked in this Sunday's paper quickly for Wesleyan scores to post,
and I'd mail them to JD.

However, the One Right and True Wesleyan (that of Middletown CT) has
not started their season yet.


Now, for all you Wesleyan fans, I have found a little restaurant in 
Middletown that serves the greatest Italian food.  I mean, this stuff
is great.   But the best part is that the decor of the restaurant is
very heavy on Wesleyan memorabilia, ranging from hockey to football,
to men's rugby, to lacrosse.   

So, Wesleyan fans, don't despair, the 'Saw is watching the scoreboard....


'Saw
    

GEORGIA TECH 35, virginia 14
west virginia 42, MARYLAND 37
FLORIDA 41, tennessee 34
GEORGIA 52, texas tech 37
ohio st 63, PITTSBURGH 28
NOTRE DAME 36, michigan st 14
penn st 31, IOWA 0
arizona 16, ILLINOIS 14
INDIANA 24, kentucky 8
byu 27, COLORADO ST 22
utah 41, KANSAS 16
NORTHWESTERN 22, boston college 21
san diego st 38, AIR FORCE 31
WISCONSIN 28, iowa st 7
ALABAMA 43, arkansas 3
nebraska 14, UCLA 13
MIAMI-FL 21, va tech 2
LOUISVILLE 35, arizona st 17
florida st 33, NO CAROLINA 7
california 58, TEMPLE 0
WASHINGTON ST 51, oregon st 6
TEXAS A&M 73, missouri 0
MISSISSIPPI 49, vanderbilt 7
DUKE 42, army 21
oklahoma st 16, TULSA 10
syracuse 21, TEXAS 21
auburn 34, LSU 10
kansas st 30, MINNESOTA 25
fresno st 41, NEW MEXICO 24
STANFORD 41, colorado 37

    
    >TEXAS A&M 73, missouri 0
    
    Nothing like a good close game to keep the home crowd excited.
    
    
    Does anyone know how Northeastern University has done so far this
    season?
    
    Marc
    

  Northeastern lost to ranked Boise State this weekend but otherwise have
 a pretty good squad led by a solid QB. They're 1-1 right now with a winn-
 ing season well within the realm of possibility. BU looks even better.

Northeastern is 1-0 in the Yankee Conference having beat Villanova 27-3.
Last weekend they lost to Boise St, 27-13.

Missouri really caught A&M at a bad time. Between some people coming off
suspensions and a general state of disappointment over losing at
Oklahoma, the Aggies were ready to beat up on someone and Missouri played
the patsy.

TTom

    Nice of Missouri to lose five fumbles and toss an interception on
    six of their first eight possessions!
    
    NAZZ

    >GEORGIA TECH 35, Virginia 14
    
    I wish it were true, but alas NOT.

Oops. Time to check the stats or some other such thang.

Thanks for pointing it cause I don't wanna go through the season thinking
the the Hoos lost this one.

TTom

kentucky 21, SO CAROLINA 17
no carolina 35, NC STATE 14
BOSTON COLLEGE 66, temple 7
TENNESSEE 42, lsu 20
MICHIGAN 42, houston 21
CLEMSON 16, georgia tech 13
PENN ST 31, rutgers 7
VIRGINIA 35, duke 0
WEST VIRGINIA 35, missouri 3
VA TECH 55, maryland 28
notre dame 17, PURDUE 0
wisconsin 27, INDIANA 15
BYU 30, air force 3
NEBRASKA 48, colorado st 13
oregon 13, ILLINOIS 7
AUBURN 35, southern miss 24
WYOMING 28, utah 12
NORTHWESTERN 26, wake forest 14
OKLAHOMA 41, tulsa 20
miami-fl 35, COLORADO 29
ucla 28, STANFORD 25
WASHINGTON 35, east carolina 0
LOUISVILLE 41, texas 10
arizona 33, OREGON ST 0
memphis st 6, ARKANSAS 0
RICE 49, iowa st 21
MISSISSIPPI 31, georgia 14
SYRACUSE 24, cincinnati 21
BAYLOR 28, texas tech 26
mississippi st 36, TULANE 10
smu 21, TCU 15
SAN DIEGO ST 48, minnesota 17
SOUTHERN CAL 34, washington st 3
ARIZONA ST 12, oklahoma st 10
HAWAII 52, texas-el paso 0

Columbia 7 Fordham 0

The Crazy Met

ucla 52, san diego st 13
FLORIDA ST 51, georgia tech 0
memphis st 34, EAST CAROLINA 7
WEST VIRGINIA 14, va tech 13
MICHIGAN 24, iowa 7
boston college 33, SYRACUSE 29
FLORIDA 38, mississippi st 24
CLEMSON 20, nc state 14
arkansas 20, GEORGIA 10
NO CAROLINA 45, texas-el paso 39
OHIO ST 51, northwestern 3
illinois 28, PURDUE 10
oklahoma 24, IOWA ST 7
KANSAS 24, colorado st 6
MISSOURI 10, smu 10
wyoming 31, AIR FORCE 18
cincinnati 22, TULSA 15
HOUSTON 24, baylor 3
OKLAHOMA ST 27, tcu 22
notre dame 48, STANFORD 20
CALIFORNIA 42, oregon 41
TENNESSEE 52, duke 19
OREGON ST 30, arizona st 14
RUTGERS 62, temple 0
alabama 17, SO CAROLINA 6
penn st 70, MARYLAND 7
louisville 29, PITTSBURGH 7
kentucky 21, mississippi 0
ARIZONA 38, southern cal 7
texas a&m 31, TEXAS TECH 6
TEXAS 55, rice 38
indiana 23, MINNESOTA 19
auburn 14, VANDERBILT 10
TULANE 27, navy 25
hawaii 41, NEW MEXICO 14
ARMY 35, akron 14
LSU 38, utah st 17
MIAMI-FL 30, ga southern 7
SW LOUISIANA 13, southern miss 7
idaho 28, UTAH 17
VIRGINIA 41, ohio 7
WASHINGTON 52, san jose st 17
WASHINGTON ST 12, pacific 0

DALLAS 36, green bay 14
KANSAS CITY 24, la raiders 9
CHICAGO 6, atlanta 0
TAMPA BAY 27, detroit 10
SAN FRANCISCO 38, minnesota 19
philadelphia 35, NY JETS 30
new orleans 37, LA RAMS 6
DENVER 35, indianapolis 13
SEATTLE 31, san diego 14
BUFFALO 17, ny giants 14

Lehiegh (sp?) 27 Columbia 24

The Crazy Met

    RPI beat WPI for the first time in about 6 years.  I think the final
    was 34-14.

Colgate 27, Columbia 24
Dartmouth 31, Bucknell 13
Harvard 21, Lafayette 16
Lehigh 35, Cornell 13
Pennsylvania 34, Fordham 30
Princeton 38, Holy Cross 0
Rhode Island 30, Brown 7
Central Florida 42, Yale 28

Go Broons!  Parade in June...

    	Won't mean anything in April 'Saw.
    
    				/Don

>    	Won't mean anything in April 'Saw.
    
Yeah, they'll be on the links by June, I guess...8^)

ALCS:

End of 3, tied 1-1.

atlanta 26, NEW ORLEANS 15
buffalo 19, NY JETS 10
HOUSTON 28, cincinnati 12
CLEVELAND 28, pittsburgh 23
green bay 37, TAMPA BAY 14
SAN FRANCISCO 28, phoenix 14
detroit 16, LA RAMS 13
SEATTLE 10, new england 9
MIAMI 41, indianapolis 27

NC STATE 28, georgia tech 23
WEST VIRGINIA 42, pittsburgh 21
MIAMI-FL 49, syracuse 0
VIRGINIA 17, no carolina 10
MICHIGAN ST 24, iowa 10
GEORGIA 33, kentucky 28
VA TECH 49, rutgers 42
SO CAROLINA 19, vanderbilt 0
duke 21, WAKE FOREST 13
BOSTON COLLEGE 41, army 14
ohio st 45, PURDUE 24
NEBRASKA 49, missouri 7
tcu 38, BAYLOR 13
IOWA ST 20, oklahoma st 17
indiana 24, NORTHWESTERN 0
UTAH 38, colorado st 21
colorado 16, KANSAS ST 16
alabama 19, MISSISSIPPI 14
OKLAHOMA 38, kansas 23
NOTRE DAME 31, southern cal 13
texas a&m 38, RICE 10
WYOMING 48, hawaii 10
illinois 24, MICHIGAN 21
WASHINGTON 21, oregon 6
arizona st 38, STANFORD 30
fresno st 48, BYU 45
ucla 20, OREGON ST 17
LOUISVILLE 28, navy 0
SOUTHERN MISS 24, east carolina 16
MINNESOTA 28, wisconsin 21
texas 37, SMU 10
SAN DIEGO ST 20, new mexico 17
ARIZONA 9, washington st 6

DALLAS 31, ny giants 9
buffalo 13, NEW ENGLAND 10
denver 29, CLEVELAND 14
san diego 34, MINNESOTA 17
HOUSTON 24, seattle 14
pittsburgh 24, CINCINNATI 16
DETROIT 23, tampa bay 0
NY JETS 27, miami 10
la raiders 16, CHICAGO 14
PHOENIX 16, philadelphia 3
WASHINGTON 30, indianapolis 24

texas 34, HOUSTON 16
florida st 49, MARYLAND 20
MICHIGAN 25, purdue 10
NO CAROLINA 24, clemson 0
SYRACUSE 52, temple 3
lsu 17, ALABAMA 13
PENN ST 38, indiana 31
GEORGIA TECH 37, baylor 27
TENNESSEE 45, louisville 10
WEST VIRGINIA 55, rutgers 22
VIRGINIA 21, wake forest 9
MICHIGAN ST 31, northwestern 29
MIAMI-FL 35, pittsburgh 7
BOSTON COLLEGE 48, va tech 34
DUKE 21, nc state 20
tulsa 52, EAST CAROLINA 26
nebraska 21, KANSAS 20
oklahoma 42, MISSOURI 23
ILLINOIS 23, minnesota 20
VANDERBILT 12, kentucky 7
IOWA ST 27, kansas st 23
ohio st 14, WISCONSIN 14
AIR FORCE 25, army 6
MEMPHIS ST 19, mississippi 3
colorado 31, OKLAHOMA ST 14
TEXAS TECH 49, tcu 21
rice 31, SMU 24
SOUTHERN CAL 45, stanford 20
washington 28, OREGON ST 21
ARKANSAS 13, mississippi st 13
UCLA 40, washington st 27
tulane 17, SOUTHERN MISS 15
FRESNO ST 30, texas-el paso 10
ARIZONA 31, oregon 10
ARIZONA ST 41, california 0
HAWAII 41, utah 30
AUBURN 55, n mexico st 14
FLORIDA 61, sw louisiana st 14
IOWA 54, n illinois 20
NEW MEXICO 39, idaho st 13

Who won the GB-NO game yesterday.....

>>           <<< Note 51.247 by CAM3::WAY "You can't polish a turd" >>>

>>Who won the GB-NO game yesterday.....

GB, 19-17

YES!

That's good news.....


thanks,
'Saw

miami 19, PHILADELPHIA 14
green bay 19, NEW ORLEANS 17
NY GIANTS 20, washington 6
DALLAS 20, phoenix 15
san francisco 45, TAMPA BAY 21
houston 38, CINCINNATI 3
kansas city 31, LA RAIDERS 20
minnesota 26, DENVER 23
atlanta 13, LA RAMS 0
SEATTLE 22, cleveland 5
NY JETS 31, indianapolis 17
chicago 16, SAN DIEGO 13

byu 44, SAN DIEGO ST 43
VA TECH 45, syracuse 24
west virginia 49, TEMPLE 7
CLEMSON 23, virginia 14
NC STATE 44, maryland 21
ALABAMA 36, mississippi st 25
PENN ST 28, illinois 14
auburn 42, GEORGIA 28
MIAMI-FL 31, rutgers 17
florida 37, SO CAROLINA 26
michigan st 27, PURDUE 24
georgia tech 38, WAKE FOREST 28
KENTUCKY 6, east carolina 3
OHIO ST 23, indiana 17
boston college 33, PITTSBURGH 0
NOTRE DAME 31, florida st 24
NEBRASKA 49, iowa st 17
OKLAHOMA 31, oklahoma st 0
TEXAS 24, tcu 3
BAYLOR 38, rice 14
UTAH 41, air force 24
iowa 23, NORTHWESTERN 19
VANDERBILT 41, navy 7
COLORADO 38, kansas 14
KANSAS ST 31, missouri 21
MEMPHIS ST 20, southern miss 9
TEXAS A&M 42, louisville 7
ARKANSAS 24, tulsa 11
texas tech 41, SMU 24
cincinnati 41, HOUSTON 17
NEW MEXICO 10, wyoming 7
southern cal 22, WASHINGTON 17
CALIFORNIA 24, arizona 20
arizona st 9, UCLA 3
stanford 38, OREGON 34
michigan 58, MINNESOTA 7
no carolina 42, TULANE 10
FRESNO ST 45, hawaii 21
colorado st 52, TEXAS-EL PASO 0

>>    Pitts. 11  Flyers  5

	Wow!  Who was in sieve, er I mean goal, for Philly?


	billl

    Jagr had a Lemieux-type night, getting 6 pernts.
    
    JaKe
    

    	A Lemieux-type night?  You mean he took more dives than a Mark
    Gastineau opponent?
    
    				/Don

    Ha Ha freakin Ha, Slasher
    
    Go be done by Michael Jackson
    
    
    JaKe
    

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.hockey
Subject: NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 10:20:50 PST
 
                          International
                         (All times EST)

                       Eastern Conference
                       Northeast Division
              W   L   T   Pts.  GF   GA
Pittsburgh   12   7   6    30   91   87
Boston       11   6   6    28   76   64
Montreal     11   9   3    25   68   63
Buffalo       9  12   2    20   87   86
Quebec        8  11   4    20   85   82
Hartford      6  15   2    14   61   87
Ottawa        5  14   3    13   74  106

                        Atlantic Division
              W   L   T   Pts.  GF   GA
NY Rangers   17   6   2    36   97   67
Philadelphia 16   9   1    33  115  101
New Jersey   15   5   2    32   85   58
Washington   10  12   1    21   67   74
Florida       8  13   3    19   63   74
NY Islanders  8  13   2    18   79   84
Tampa Bay     6  16   2    14   56   75

                       Western Conference
                        Central Division
              W   L   T   Pts.  GF   GA
Toronto      17   4   4    38   97   66
St. Louis    12   6   5    29   77   73
Dallas       11   9   5    27   89   86
Chicago      12   8   2    26   77   63
Detroit      11  10   2    24   98   85
Winnipeg      9  13   3    21   81   93

                        Pacific Division
              W   L   T   Pts.  GF   GA
Calgary      15   7   3    33   93   79
Vancouver    13  10   0    26   78   72
San Jose     10  13   4    24   67   81
Los Angeles   9  12   2    20   86   96
Anaheim       8  15   2    18   66   83
Edmonton      4  18   3    11   64   94

                          Monday Games
        Buffalo at Toronto, 7:40 p.m.
        Hartford at Ottawa, 7:40 p.m.
        Dallas at Edmonton, 9:40 p.m.
        Chicago at Vancouver, 10:40 p.m.
                          Tuesday Games
        Boston at Quebec, 7:40 p. m.
        Washington at NY Islanders, 7:40 p.m.
        NY Rangers at New Jersey, 7:40 p.m.
        Dallas at Calgary, 9:40 p.m.
        Winnipeg at Los Angeles, 10:40 p.m.
                         Wednesday Games
        St. Louis at Toronto, 7:40 p.m.
        Ottawa at Montreal, 7:40 p.m.
        Detroit at Hartford, 7:40 p.m.
        Buffalo at Tampa Bay, 7:40 p.m.
        Philadelphia at Edmonton, 9:40 p.m.
        Winnipeg at Anaheim, 10:40 p.m.

    Karen,
    
    don't even THINK such thoughts, much less write 'em.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    #5 in the Central = #6 in their conference?

    
    
      .276
    
     I was thinking the same thing.  Looks like nobody but the winner of
    the Pathetic divison is going to the dance.
    
    Jerry
    

re: .277

huh? 8 teams get in.

The Crazy Met

    
    re: .278
    
    
    oops brain fart
    
    I counted the divison leaders as the 6 "others"
    
    TCM you almost made that sound like you've never made a mistake
    
    j/

nah. just standard ::sprots terminology and ATTITUDE! (caps for emphasis, not
shouting).

The Crazy Met

HAHAHAHAHAHA (TM)

    Well, I am hot...
    

	PURDUE 83, indiana 76 (OT)
	SYRACUSE 92, st. john's 82
	DEPAUL 78, massachusetts 76
	pittsburgh 77, BOSTON COLLEGE 75
	texas tech 80, SMU 73
	FLORIDA 59, kentucky 57

    I took the night off..
    

    Yeah, but Probie did get an instigator and misconduct penalty...
    

    I've cooled off...
    

    I would think being out here you would have heated up a bit, Walt.
    
    Gin

    Well, I did take my jacket off before we left for lunch, right?  And I
    did need a drink of water after things got going...
    

Boston climbs into a first place tie with a win over Quebec while
the NY Rangers are spanking the Pengoons.  Great.

Rangers come into the Garden tonight I believe...  Should be a GOOD game....


'Saw

    
    I think it's Thursday the NYR play the B's, should be a good game.
    What's up in Quebec ? All that talent and they stand around like cattle
    during a game. Talk about goaltending, that Fiset is outstanding and
    he's only 22. They also have another potential superstar who is only
    19, thibdault (sp) and he's damn poised for a kid playing on that
    level.
    
    Looks like the trade with ST.louis was a good one. Bassen is a digger
    who can hit and score, and Sutter comes with the work until you drop
    theme. (maybe Thurman could learn something from the Sutter brothers ?)
    Still I would think that this team would be fighting for a top
    three slot in its own division, they continue to toil with the Whalers
    in the Adams, er, Eastern conference.
    
    Casey is playing alot better now that his job is on the line, what a
    difference that always makes.
    
    Mario should be ready come playoff time and the dreaded Pens will start
    to roll on the competition.
    
    

>    Casey is playing alot better now that his job is on the line, what a
>    difference that always makes.
    
Who is the backup, now that they sent Blue down?    
    

    
    They picked up Vincent Reandeau from Detriot. He played for Sutter in
    St.louis, drafted by the Habs (85?) and has been odd man out in the
    Detriot club behind Chevalde and the # 2 man. He's a solid stand up
    netminder and is alot better than Blue. I like his aggresive 'take your
    best shot' style. He holds the fort and doesn't butterfly or go into
    flop mode when under the gun. I think he's 27ish. 

Okay, now that does ring a bell once you mention his name....

Well, we'll just have to see how well the Broons do down the stretch and
into the playoffs.  I certainly hope it's better than last season!


'Saw

     > They picked up Vincent Reandeau from Detriot. He played for Sutter in
    
    
    Not to be confused with the old Boston Fighter Joe Rindone who's main
    claim to fame (sorry Tommy - my nyr is NO MORE Poetry) was a knockdown
    of Sugar Ray (no not that faux sr Leonard).
    
    Shortly after the knockdown which served as a wake up Robinson finished
    off Ol' Joe
    
    Joe was a fixture in the North End and "around town", always with a big
    smile and hello and perhaps a tip on the 8th at Suffolk
    
    Bill 

    glad Messier filled in so well for me :-)
    
    The Crazy Met
    

Dallas with 69 points???

The Crazy Met

    Nope... Murray did...
    

    On the hat trick by Oates a few games ago I believe Cam had the assist
    on each one.

Neely did get his 40th last night.                      

    Neely also racked up a natural hat trick (3 consecutive goals) in the
    recent game against the Debils.

>    Neely also racked up a natural hat trick (3 consecutive goals) in the
>    recent game against the Debils.

And each one was a sweet goal too.....

    
    His contract is up, he is in his option year. Harry is squirmin'.

what's the difference between a hat trick and a natural hat trick???

inquiring minds need to know???????

mike

    Natural hat trick means getting your three goals in succession
    with no other goals in between. Neely's natural hat trick came
    agin the DEBILS where he scored the first three Broon goals.
    
    
    MikeL renewed member of the NeelyJihad
                 

Natural hat trick is also all 3 goals in the same period.

The Crazy Met

 " and there you had it " - K.A.

 thanks guys....

    
    Natural and pure, three goals, three shots, all in the same period.
    Quite a feat. 

    Gee Mac, you movin' this discussion to the Broons topic?
    

    Pretty soon, Walt.

    QUACK!
    

    Ducks 6?  Wowsers!!!
    
    Gin

>    NYR     4  Pitts.   3 OT  Graves & Amonte 1G, Messier 2A, Stevens 1G


Caught part of this on the FAN on the way home yesterday.

One of the Rangers, a defenseman, forget who, got his first goal in more
than a year to pull the Rangers back to within one, at 3-2....


'Saw

    Let's see if the one-line Broons can play with the most fearsome
    NHL lineup in recent history!  Can the B's overachieve and
    even compete with Gawd's hand-picked Stanley Cup favorites?
    
    MikeL
    

game on channel 38??

The Crazy Met

have to have 2 TV's cranked up tonight - one with the movie on 
the VCR (well assuming the weather doesn't cancel the movie club)
one for the hockey game.

    Not skating?
    

probably not; have only watched small bits and pieces of the Olympics
this year. I might watch a live hockey medal game over the weekend (if
CBS will show it live). Might channel-surf and if one of the top 4-5 skaters
is being shown stick with it. But otherwise, probably not.

The Crazy Met

    
>>CBS will show it live). Might channel-surf and if one of the top 4-5 skaters
>>is being shown stick with it.
                 ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^
    
    Didn't Tonya Harding say something like that????
    
    (8^)*
    
    JaKe
    

    Sunday 3/27
    
    Bruins 4  Chicago 0    Neely 2G (leads league), Oates 3A, Casey 20 saves
    Caps   3  goWhALE 1    Cote 1G 1A, Ridley 1G, Beaupre 20 saves
    NYI    5  Quebec  2    Hogue 1G 1A, Turgeon 1G, Hextall 31 saves
    Oilers 3  TB      2    Podein 2G 1A, Pearson 1G 2A
    
    Tonight:
    
    Toronto at Ottawa
    Blues at DEVILS
    PittsburgH at Florida
    Flyers at NYR
    Sharks at Jets
    Montreal at LAKings
    
    

Eastern Conference

Northeast       W   L   T   Pts         Atlantic         W   L   T   Pts

Boston.........33  19  11    77         NYRangers.......39  18   4    82
Montreal.......33  22   8    74         DEVILS..........32  20   9    73
PittsburgH.....30  20  12    72         Washington......31  26   6    68
Buffalo........31  26   7    69         Philadelphia....29  30   4    62
Quebec.........24  33   5    53         Florida.........26  25  10    62
gOWhAlE........21  35   7    49         NYIslanders.....26  29   6    58
Ottawa.........10  45   8    28         Tampa Bay.......23  33   8    54

Western Conference

Central         W   L   T   Pts         Pacific          W   L   T   Pts

Detriot........37  20   5    79         Calgary.........32  22  10    74
Toronto........33  19  11    77         Vancouver.......30  28   3    63
Dallas.........34  21   8    76         San Jose........22  30  11    55
St. Louis......32  22   8    72         Anaheim.........24  35   5    53
Chicago........29  27   7    65         LAKings.........21  33   8    50
Winnipeg.......17  40   7    41         Edmonton........17  38  10    40

>    Bruins   6  Caps    3   Neely 2G (50th) 1A, Bourque 3A
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not a bad season for the CamMan......

50 goals in 44 games, apparently second or 3rd best ever in reaching
the 50G milestone. I know Gretzky had 50G in 39 games one year. Of
course 50 in 50 has always referred to games played by he team in the
season, but 50 in 44 is amazing anyway you look at it.

The Crazy Met

    Neely ain't as talented or mutli-dimensional as Mario or Wayne,
    vbut if anyone is the physical reincarnation of Gordie Howe, this
    man is. Tough,big, strong, and the softest of hands. The main's
    a rock.
    
    MikeL
    

	Cam's 50th was the third fastest. Gretzky scored 50 in 39
games 1 year, and 50 in 42 games another year. Mario has also scored
50 in 44 games, so him and Cam are tied for 3rd fastest.

Ron

    the Rocket, Maurice Richard had 50 in the original six team 50 game
    season, circe '53.
    
    When Hull,Mahalovich and others started to hit the 50 mark in the 60s
    the nhl pulled the old ford frick * trick for awhile.
    
    Then this was all forgotten as Espo hit 78(or 76) and then Gretzky came
    along and then Mario...
    
    But when I saw the 50 in < 50 I thought of the Babe Ruth of Hockey 

Esposito got 76 goals and 76 assists that season.

The Crazy Met

    That's in games he's played of course... how many assists does he have?
    

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    Internationals :
    
                France  14       England  18
    
    Trys      : Benazzi
    Penalties : Lacroix (3)      Andrew (5)
    Drop Goals:                  Andrew
    
    
                Ireland  6       Scotland  6
    
    Penalties : Elwood (2)       G Hastings (2)
    
    Latest Standings:
    
              P   W   D   L   F    A    Pts
    Wales     3   3   0   0   70   36   6
    England   3   2   0   1   45   41   4
    Ireland   4   1   1   2   49   70   3
    France    3   1   0   2   64   57   2
    Scotland  3   0   1   2   26   50   1
    
    Leading points scorers :
    
    Jenkins (Wales)  45
    Elwood (Ireland) 44
    Lacroix (France) 34
    
    Team Tries
    
    France   7
    Wales    6
    Ireland  1
    Scotland 1
    England  0
    
    ( I put this in so at least Scotland is not at the bottom of everything
    this year :-) )

Wow, I'm surprised that the Scottish team is lagging so far behind,
and I'm really surprised to see Wales at the top of the table.

Last I knew Wales was struggling and had lost some of their edge, but
it would appear that the lads in scarlet have regained their form.....


'Saw

>> Toronto  4  Pitts.  2   Andreychuk 1G 1A, Eastwoood 1G, Anderson 2G

	What with this and U Pitt getting "flushed" by the "Johnies",
	twas not a good day for sports fans in the 'burgh!


	billl

	ACC:		Virginia 69, Maryland 63
			Duke 32, Clemson 29 (early 2nd half?)

	Big East:	Providence 77, Villanova 66
			Connecticut 66, St.John's 53 (~10 minutes left)

	Big Eight:	Missouri 64, Colorado 62
			Nebraska 9, Oklahoma 6 (early in 1st half)

	Metro:		Virginia Tech 65, Virginia Commonwealth 64

	SEC:		Florida 84, South Carolina 57

Rich,

Is that Va Tech score a final?

Thanks,

TTom

some breathing space for NYR. Now if the DEVILS lose a game ...

The Crazy Met

    Hey Craze,
    With the playoffs looming ahead, does the theme from "Jaws" keep
    recurring in yo' haid?
    
    MikeL
    

MikeL

As a NY Rangers fan I am always resigned to the idea that somewhere along
the playoff track something will go wrong.

A Stanley Cup championship is a dream; unfortunately it has been like
Don Quixote - an Impossible Dream.

The Crazy Met

>>A Stanley Cup championship is a dream; unfortunately it has been like
>>Don Quixote - an Impossible Dream.
>>
>>The Crazy Met


	Kinda sounds like a certain MIA fan.  Gettin' them excuses all 
	lined up there TC*?


	billl

    THey lost to Ottawa?  Ouch, babe...

MIA?? if that is missing in action you're way of base buddy. 

The Crazy Met

>>MIA?? if that is missing in action you're way of base buddy. 

	Why, you seen any sign of Mr. Knorr in here, BUDDY?

	Try and keep up!


	billl

Billl, get a clue. I've never "disappeared" when my team blew it.

The Crazy Met

	Sheesh, instead of boring all these folks with TC*'s attempt at 
	drawing me into one of his nad Mac's SDUC, I tried to help him
	with his reading comprehension via mail.


	yer welcome

	billl

>    gOWhaLE 3  Chicago 2 OT  Sanderson 2G, Cassels 1G, Roenick 1G

These guys never fail to win the big ones AFTER they are eliminated.


'Saw

Can't believe I'm saying this, but for tonight Go PENS!

The Crazy Met

	I'm addin' that one (51.416) to the archived list of notes you
	don't ever want to forget.


	billl

no problem billl, as long as you are enough of an ObjectiveSportsAnalyst
to save the whole note including the date timestamp.

The Crazy Met

    billl, lightning does strike twice. Dammmn! Celtics can't do anything
    right this year. They lead the hawks midway in the 4th and lose!
    arggggh!
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Well, TCClosetPensFan, 
    
    The Pens beat the Debbils tonight, 3-1.
    
    Happy???
    
    JaKe
    

    yup. it was on ESPN2 so I got to watch some of it as well.
    
    The Crazy Met
    
    now back to wanting the Pens to lose.
    
    

    Does anybody know where I can find some National League Baseball
    scores?
    
    
    Ted

re: .424

shane::user2:[bb_rotis]bb_rotis.note

in that notesfile, reply 41 or 42 generally has NL boxscores
posted daily.

The Crazy Met

Go Tampa Bay!!!!!!!!!

The Crazy Met

    Tuesday 4/26
    
    Toronto   1  Chicago 0    Toronto leads 3-2
    
    Vancouver 2  Calgary 1 OT Calgary leads 3-2
    
    San Jose  6  Detroit 4     San Jose (!) leads 3-2
    
    The Crazy Met
    

>Casey 20 saves
     	

And 20 big skid marks in his shorts too.....

>    NYR    5  Caps   2    Tikkanen G 1A, Graves, Matteau, Kocur & Zubov G
>    NY leads 2-0 	  Richter 22 saves, Hatcher & Ridley G

I don't follow hockey that closely, but hasn't Ridley scored a goal against
the Rangers in every game he's played against them since the trade ?

    re: -1

>    
>    Canucks 4  Toronto 3  Bure, Craven, Lumme, Brown G, McLean 37 saves
>    Series tied 1-1       Mironov 2G, Ellet G, Gilmour 3A
>    

Change that score line to more properly read:

		Bure, Craven, KOHARSKI, Brown G

and you'll have it right...


'Saw

Karen I am sure you meant :-) about last night's game.

The Crazy Met

    For Completeness:
    
    Tuesday 6/15
    
    NYR 3 Canucks 2 	Leetch, Graves, Messier
                        Linden (2)
    
    Rangers win series and Stanley Cup 4-3
    
    The Crazy Met
    

	Would anyone care to post the NFL scores from this weekend?  It would
	be greatly appreciated.



	billl

    
    
    Pats 28   Rams 10
    Giants 28  SD 20
    Pittsburgh 29 Raiders 17 :-(
    Clev. 16  Det. 7
    Seattle 29  TB 6
    Colts 26  Bungholes 21
    Jets 34 Eagles 24
    'Phins 31 GB 24
    Minny 21 NO 17
    Chicago 16 Arizona 0
    
    Chap

	Thanks Chap.

	That Steeler score sure is sweet, huh?



	billl

    Did Randall Cunningham play in the Philly Loss ??? Anyone have his
    stats ?
    								mab

 Forget the score Billl, the best part was Woodson and a Raiders' player got
 tossed for fighting except it wasn't the guy that Woodson was kickin' the
 crap out of that got tossed.....

 Bad Blood of days and years gone by??? A return glory? The AFC Championship
 Game, preview?

 mike

KANSAS CITY 24, san francisco 17
miami 24, GREEN BAY 14
MINNESOTA 10, detroit 3
buffalo 38, NEW ENGLAND 35
pittsburgh 17, CLEVELAND 10
ATLANTA 31, la rams 13
TAMPA BAY 24, indianapolis 10
DALLAS 20, houston 17
washington 38, NEW ORLEANS 24
NY JETS 25, denver 22
seattle 38, LA RAIDERS 9
SAN DIEGO 27, cincinnati 10
ny giants 20, ARIZONA 17

nebraska 42, TEXAS TECH 16
RUTGERS 17, west virginia 12
florida st 52, MARYLAND 20
stanford 41, NORTHWESTERN 41
ALABAMA 17, vanderbilt 7
PENN ST 38, southern cal 14
nc state 29, CLEMSON 12
tulane 15, RICE 13
ILLINOIS 42, missouri 0
michigan 26, NOTRE DAME 24
WASHINGTON 25, ohio st 16
byu 45, AIR FORCE 21
FLORIDA 73, kentucky 7
TEXAS 30, louisville 16
IOWA 37, iowa st 9
OREGON ST 44, wyoming 31
TEXAS A&M 36, oklahoma 14
WASHINGTON ST 24, fresno st 3
va tech 24, SOUTHERN MISS 14
UCLA 17, smu 10
GEORGIA 41, tennessee 23
SO CAROLINA 14, arkansas 0
virginia 47, NAVY 3
memphis 42, TULSA 18
syracuse 34, CINCINNATI 19
DUKE 13, east carolina 10
LSU 44, mississippi st 24
KANSAS 17, michigan st 10
tcu 44, NEW MEXICO 29
SAN DIEGO ST 22, california 20
miami-fl 47, ARIZONA ST 10
HAWAII 36, oregon 16

DUKE 43, army 7
va tech 12, BOSTON COLLEGE 7
VIRGINIA 9, clemson 6
SYRACUSE 37, rutgers 36
OHIO ST 27, pittsburgh 3
PENN ST 61, iowa 21
maryland 24, WEST VIRGINIA 13
NO CAROLINA 49, tulane 0
colorado st 28, BYU 21
WYOMING 17, tulsa 7
northwestern 14, AIR FORCE 10
KANSAS ST 27, rice 18
OKLAHOMA 17, texas tech 11
alabama 13, ARKANSAS 6
NEBRASKA 49, ucla 21
notre dame 21, MICHIGAN ST 20
hawaii 21, CALIFORNIA 7
utah 34, OREGON 16
SOUTHERN MISS 20, memphis 3
east carolina 31, TEMPLE 14
florida 31, TENNESSEE 0
florida st 56, WAKE FOREST 14
AUBURN 30, lsu 26
MINNESOTA 40, san diego st 17
indiana 59, KENTUCKY 29
missouri 16, HOUSTON 0
BAYLOR 14, oklahoma st 10
mississippi 20, VANDERBILT 14
SMU 34, new mexico 31
TCU 31, kansas 21
COLORADO 55, wisconsin 17
louisville 25, ARIZONA ST 22
FRESNO ST 24, oregon st 14

    How did the Wesleyans do?
    
    NAZZ

buffalo 15, HOUSTON 7
PHILADELPHIA 13, green bay 7
MIAMI 28, ny jets 14
minnesota 42, CHICAGO 14
new orleans 9, TAMPA BAY 7
PITTSBURGH 31, indianapolis 21
CLEVELAND 32, arizona 0
new england 31, CINCINNATI 28
NY GIANTS 31, washington 23
la raiders 48, DENVER 16
san francisco 34, LA RAMS 19
san diego 24, SEATTLE 10
kansas city 30, ATLANTA 10

>
>    How did the Wesleyans do?
>    
>    NAZZ


I dunno, Nazz.  JD doesn't send me those reports any more.  I didn't get
a chance to see yesterday's paper, because I had a job and didn't get my
usual Sunday_morning_drink_coffee_read_the_paper_be_lazy Sunday morning
routine....

I'll try and check for you tonight....


'Saw

Slippery Rock 27, W.Va. Wesleyan 19
Evansville 35, Ky. Wesleyan 27
Illinois Wesleyan 28, Washington, Mo. 14
Kansas Wesleyan 33, Bethel, Kan. 7
Ohio Wesleyan 21, Wooster 10
Valley City St. 35, Dakota Wesleyan 34

Some other notable scores of the weekend:

	Utah State 5, Ohio 0
	Cleveland 32, Arizona 0

    RPI tipped Coast Guard 28-17...      
    Wesley was excellent over Waynesburg 42-0
    Slippery Rock didn't fall to WV Wesleyan 27-19

    You also forgot to mention that Robert Morris College here in Pgh won
    again.  This is their first year of football and they are now 3-0.
    
    Thier head coach???
    
    None other than ol' J_e "Booger" Walt_n hisself.
    
    JaKe
    

    >> Slippery Rock 27, W.Va. Wesleyan 19
    
    Yahooooooo!
    
    
    
    billl

MINNESOTA 38, miami 35
la rams 16, KANSAS CITY 0
atlanta 27, WASHINGTON 20
GREEN BAY 30, tampa bay 3
cleveland 21, INDIANAPOLIS 14
SAN FRANCISCO 24, new orleans 13
new england 23, DETROIT 17
HOUSTON 20, cincinnati 13
san diego 26, LA RAIDERS 24
SEATTLE 30, pittsburgh 13
chicago 19, NY JETS 7

VA TECH 34, west virginia 6
boston college 21, PITTSBURGH 9
MARYLAND 31, wake forest 7
colorado 27, MICHIGAN 26
PENN ST 55, rutgers 27
GEORGIA 17, mississippi 14
OHIO ST 52, houston 0
temple 23, ARMY 20
COLORADO ST 19, san diego st 17
rice 28, IOWA ST 18
BYU 49, new mexico 47
WISCONSIN 62, indiana 13
ALABAMA 20, tulane 10
NOTRE DAME 39, purdue 21
TEXAS TECH 35, smu 7
washington 38, MIAMI-FL 20
arizona 34, STANFORD 10
SOUTHERN CAL 37, baylor 27
CALIFORNIA 25, arizona st 21
OREGON 40, iowa 18
duke 27, GEORGIA TECH 12
syracuse 21, EAST CAROLINA 18
TEXAS A&M 41, southern miss 17
washington st 21, UCLA 0
MISSISSIPPI ST 24, tennessee 21
so carolina 23, KENTUCKY 9
OKLAHOMA ST 17, tulsa 10
FLORIDA ST 31, no carolina 18
KANSAS ST 35, minnesota 0
texas 34, TCU 18
MEMPHIS 16, arkansas 15
air force 47, TEXAS-EL PASO 7
UTAH 41, wyoming 7
fresno st 31, HAWAII 16

AUBURN 41, kentucky 14
SYRACUSE 28, va tech 20
NC STATE 21, georgia tech 13
miami-fl 24, RUTGERS 3
MICHIGAN ST 29, wisconsin 10
CLEMSON 13, maryland 0
baylor 42, TCU 18
duke 47, NAVY 14
TEXAS A&M 23, texas tech 17
purdue 22, ILLINOIS 16
west virginia 34, MISSOURI 10
NEBRASKA 42, wyoming 32
INDIANA 25, minnesota 14
ohio st 17, NORTHWESTERN 15
michigan 29, IOWA 14
OKLAHOMA 34, iowa st 6
NOTRE DAME 34, stanford 15
ALABAMA 29, georgia 28
no carolina 28, SMU 24
colorado 34, TEXAS 31
WASHINGTON 37, ucla 10
oregon 22, SOUTHERN CAL 7
TENNESSEE 10, washington st 9
LOUISVILLE 33, pittsburgh 29
ARKANSAS 42, vanderbilt 6
EAST CAROLINA 31, southern miss 10
penn st 48, TEMPLE 21
WAKE FOREST 33, army 27
florida 38, MISSISSIPPI 14
so carolina 18, LSU 17
colorado st 38, NEW MEXICO 31
air force 36, SAN DIEGO ST 35
TEXAS-EL PASO 34, hawaii 28
ARIZONA 30, oregon st 10

>> LOUISVILLE 33, pittsburgh 29
    
    I think this was Pitt's only chance for a win this season. :^(
    
    
    billl

On 10/15 Pitt plays West Virginia for homecoming. The Mountaineers have
been stinkin up the place as well. Also, Temple visits on 10/29.

TTom

    
    >>I think this was Pitt's only chance for a win this season. :^(
    
    They already have one win this season, so far, so that blows yer theory
    out, don't it?????
    
    (8^)*
    
    JaKe
    

    >>They already have one win this season, so far, so that blows yer
    >>theory out, don't it?????
     
    Against who?
    
    
    billl

    I think it was Ohio University.
    
    JaKe
    

here 'tis

	texas 30, PITTSBURGH 28
	PITTSBURGH 30, ohio 16
	OHIO ST 27, pittsburgh 3
	boston college 21, PITTSBURGH 9
	LOUISVILLE 33, pittsburgh 29

TTom

cleveland 11, HOUSTON 8
MIAMI 20, la raiders 17
san francisco 42, ATLANTA 3
NY JETS 24, new england 17
BUFFALO 27, indianapolis 27
arizona 19, WASHINGTON 16
PITTSBURGH 14, cincinnati 10
DALLAS 24, philadelphia 13
san diego 36, NEW ORLEANS 22
LA RAMS 17, ny giants 10

virginia 24, GEORGIA TECH 7
NO CAROLINA 41, maryland 17
ohio st 23, MICHIGAN ST 7
west virginia 47, PITTSBURGH 41
BOSTON COLLEGE 45, temple 28
alabama 17, TENNESSEE 13
FLORIDA 36, auburn 33
mississippi st 41, SO CAROLINA 36
vanderbilt 43, GEORGIA 30
NC STATE 34, wake forest 3
RUTGERS 14, cincinnati 9
DUKE 19, clemson 13
va tech 27, EAST CAROLINA 20
ARMY 30, louisville 29
byu 21, NOTRE DAME 14
TEXAS A&M 41, baylor 21
ILLINOIS 47, iowa 7
kansas 41, IOWA ST 23
WISCONSIN 27, purdue 27
nebraska 17, KANSAS ST 6
ARKANSAS 31, mississippi 7
missouri 24, OKLAHOMA ST 15
UTAH 14, hawaii 3
houston 39, SMU 33
COLORADO ST 47, texas-el paso 9
penn st 31, MICHIGAN 24
WASHINGTON 35, arizona st 14
COLORADO 45, oklahoma 7
OREGON 23, california 7
arizona 10, WASHINGTON ST 7
southern cal 27, STANFORD 20
northwestern 37, MINNESOTA 31
LSU 17, kentucky 13
tcu 30, TULANE 28
san diego st 20, NEW MEXICO 13
oregon st 23, UCLA 14
FRESNO ST 38, wyoming 24
RICE 19, texas 17

    I thought I heard that Auburn won?
    
    AZ lucked out again.

right you are.

my stat man had it wrong.

TTom

MINNESOTA 13, green bay 10
KANSAS CITY 38, seattle 23
pittsburgh 10, NY GIANTS 6
DETROIT 21, chicago 16
CLEVELAND 37, cincinnati 13
NEW ORLEANS 37, la rams 34
washington 41, INDIANAPOLIS 27
dallas 28, ARIZONA 21
SAN FRANCISCO 41, tampa bay 16
LA RAIDERS 30, atlanta 17
denver 20, SAN DIEGO 15

FLORIDA ST 17, clemson 0
BOSTON COLLEGE 7, rutgers 7
miami-fl 38, WEST VIRGINIA 6
VIRGINIA 34, no carolina 10
VA TECH 45, pittsburgh 7
duke 51, WAKE FOREST 26
OHIO ST 48, purdue 14
louisville 35, NAVY 14
michigan 19, ILLINOIS 14
oklahoma 20, KANSAS 17
nebraska 42, MISSOURI 7
TEXAS A&M 7, rice 0
TEXAS TECH 38, baylor 7
so carolina 19, VANDERBILT 16
TEXAS 42, smu 20
northwestern 20, INDIANA 7
utah 45, COLORADO ST 31
IOWA 19, michigan st 14
minnesota 17, WISCONSIN 14
AIR FORCE 42, fresno st 7
COLORADO 35, kansas st 21
ALABAMA 21, mississippi 10
MISSISSIPPI ST 66, tulane 22
WYOMING 52, san diego st 35
OKLAHOMA ST 31, iowa st 31
SOUTHERN CAL 61, california 0
OREGON 31, washington 20
stanford 35, OREGON ST 29
syracuse 49, TEMPLE 42
MARYLAND 42, georgia tech 27
georgia 34, KENTUCKY 30
east carolina 28, TULSA 21
tcu 31, HOUSTON 10
MEMPHIS 26, cincinnati 3
byu 34, TEXAS-EL PASO 28
washington st 28, ARIZONA ST 21
ARIZONA 34, ucla 24

BUFFALO 44, kansas city 10
dallas 23, CINCINNATI 20
miami 23, NEW ENGLAND 3
detroit 28, NY GIANTS 25
philadelphia 31, WASHINGTON 29
LA RAIDERS 17, houston 14
DENVER 26, cleveland 14
SAN DIEGO 35, seattle 15
minnesota 36, TAMPA BAY 13
INDIANAPOLIS 28, ny jets 25
ARIZONA 20, pittsburgh 17

NO CAROLINA 31, nc state 17
FLORIDA ST 59, duke 20
wisconsin 31, MICHIGAN 19
MIAMI-FL 24, va tech 3
FLORIDA 52, georgia 14
PENN ST 63, ohio st 14
MICHIGAN ST 27, indiana 21
tennessee 31, SO CAROLINA 22
CLEMSON 24, wake forest 8
boston college 30, ARMY 3
MARYLAND 38, tulane 10
PITTSBURGH 45, temple 19
NOTRE DAME 58, navy 21
TEXAS TECH 33, texas 9
arizona st 36, BYU 15
PURDUE 21, iowa 21
AUBURN 31, arkansas 14
BAYLOR 52, houston 13
KANSAS 24, oklahoma st 14
air force 34, WYOMING 17
missouri 34, IOWA ST 20
illinois 28, NORTHWESTERN 7
EAST CAROLINA 35, cincinnati 21
MISSISSIPPI 34, lsu 21
kansas st 37, OKLAHOMA 20
texas a&m 21, SMU 21
TCU 27, rice 25
UTAH 52, texas-el paso 7
NEBRASKA 24, colorado 7
UCLA 31, stanford 30
washington st 26, CALIFORNIA 23
WASHINGTON 24, oregon st 10
OREGON 10, arizona 9
LOUISVILLE 10, memphis 6
SOUTHERN MISS 47, tulsa 29
mississippi st 47, KENTUCKY 7
SAN DIEGO ST 38, hawaii 23
new mexico 49, FRESNO ST 32

san diego 14, KANSAS CITY 13
chicago 17, MIAMI 14
cleveland 26, PHILADELPHIA 7
NEW ENGLAND 26, minnesota 20
arizona 10, NY GIANTS 9
NEW ORLEANS 33, atlanta 32
CINCINNATI 34, houston 31
SAN FRANCISCO 21, dallas 14
GREEN BAY 17, ny jets 10
DENVER 17, seattle 10
la raiders 20, LA RAMS 17
DETROIT 14, tampa bay 9

BYU 35, san diego st 28
BOSTON COLLEGE 31, syracuse 0
MICHIGAN 38, minnesota 22
FLORIDA ST 23, notre dame 16
TENNESSEE 24, memphis 13
FLORIDA 48, so carolina 17
ohio st 32, INDIANA 17
CLEMSON 20, georgia tech 10
TEXAS 48, houston 13
VIRGINIA 46, maryland 21
VA TECH 41, rutgers 34
MICHIGAN ST 42, purdue 30
NC STATE 24, duke 23
no carolina 50, WAKE FOREST 0
west virginia 55, TEMPLE 17
penn st 35, ILLINOIS 31
colorado 51, KANSAS 26
AUBURN 23, georgia 23
nebraska 28, IOWA ST 12
kansas st 21, MISSOURI 18
WYOMING 38, new mexico 28
AIR FORCE 40, utah 33
IOWA 49, northwestern 13
WISCONSIN 38, cincinnati 7
alabama 29, MISSISSIPPI ST 25
oklahoma 33, OKLAHOMA ST 14
baylor 19, RICE 14
tcu 35, SMU 14
SOUTHERN CAL 45, arizona 28
WASHINGTON 31, california 19
oregon 55, STANFORD 21
MIAMI-FL 17, pittsburgh 12
texas a&m 26, LOUISVILLE 10
OREGON ST 21, washington st 3
fresno st 30, TEXAS-EL PASO 30
southern miss 20, LSU 17
mississippi 38, TULANE 0
ucla 59, ARIZONA ST 23

KANSAS CITY 20, cleveland 13
BUFFALO 29, green bay 20
PITTSBURGH 16, miami 13
DALLAS 31, washington 7
CHICAGO 20, detroit 10
NEW ENGLAND 23, san diego 17
indianapolis 17, CINCINNATI 13
ny jets 31, MINNESOTA 21
DENVER 32, atlanta 28
ARIZONA 12, philadelphia 6
LA RAIDERS 24, new orleans 19
SEATTLE 22, tampa bay 21
SAN FRANCISCO 31, la rams 27

OHIO ST 22, michigan 6
ALABAMA 21, auburn 14
SYRACUSE 21, maryland 16
TENNESSEE 52, kentucky 0
florida st 34, NC STATE 3
virginia 42, VA TECH 23
WEST VIRGINIA 21, boston college 20
so carolina 33, CLEMSON 7
indiana 33, PURDUE 29
miami-fl 38, TEMPLE 14
PENN ST 45, northwestern 17
wake forest 20, GEORGIA TECH 13
CINCINNATI 28, tulsa 13
no carolina 41, DUKE 40
PITTSBURGH 35, rutgers 21
NAVY 29, rice 17
NOTRE DAME 42, air force 30
florida 24, VANDERBILT 7
TEXAS A&M 34, tcu 17
kansas 31, MISSOURI 14
east carolina 30, MEMPHIS 6
WISCONSIN 19, illinois 13
COLORADO 41, iowa st 20
KANSAS ST 23, oklahoma st 6
UTAH 34, byu 31
NEW MEXICO 25, texas-el paso 21
UCLA 31, southern cal 19
CALIFORNIA 24, stanford 23
oregon 17, OREGON ST 13
WASHINGTON ST 23, washington 6
MINNESOTA 42, iowa 42
TEXAS TECH 34, houston 0
lsu 49, TULANE 25
colorado st 44, FRESNO ST 42
wyoming 13, HAWAII 10

DETROIT 35, buffalo 21
DALLAS 42, green bay 31
miami 28, NY JETS 24
CLEVELAND 34, houston 10
ATLANTA 28, philadelphia 21
tampa bay 20, MINNESOTA 17
SEATTLE 10, kansas city 9
pittsburgh 21, LA RAIDERS 3
ny giants 21, WASHINGTON 19
chicago 19, ARIZONA 16
DENVER 15, cincinnati 13
SAN DIEGO 31, la rams 17
new england 12, INDIANAPOLIS 10

texas 63, BAYLOR 35
WEST VIRGINIA 13, syracuse 0
nc state 30, VIRGINIA 27
TCU 24, texas tech 17
nebraska 13, OKLAHOMA 3
GEORGIA 48, georgia tech 10
ARIZONA 28, arizona st 27
FLORIDA ST 31, florida 31
MIAMI-FL 23, boston college 7
PENN ST 59, michigan st 31
tennessee 65, VANDERBILT 0
lsu 30, ARKANSAS 12
mississippi st 21, MISSISSIPPI 17
LOUISVILLE 34, tulsa 27
SOUTHERN CAL 17, notre dame 17
rice 31, HOUSTON 13
fresno st 49, SAN DIEGO ST 42
HAWAII 32, missouri 32

MINNESOTA 33, chicago 27
dallas 31, PHILADELPHIA 19
DETROIT 34, green bay 31
NEW ENGLAND 24, ny jets 13
pittsburgh 38, CINCINNATI 15
TAMPA BAY 26, washington 21
denver 20, KANSAS CITY 17
SAN FRANCISCO 50, atlanta 14
ny giants 16, CLEVELAND 13
HOUSTON 30, arizona 12
indianapolis 31, SEATTLE 19
LA RAMS 31, new orleans 15
buffalo 42, MIAMI 31

army 22, NAVY 20
air force 37, HAWAII 24
Florida 24, Alabama 23

>army 22, NAVY 20


Tough game for my dad.

He's home out of the hospital one day, with EXPLICIT doctor's orders to
take it TOTALLY EASY for the next six weeks.

So he's got some time to sit and watch the Midshipmen play against the
Cadets, and he's all looking forward to it.

So what happens?  Army wins on a record field goal.....  Sheesh, does that
suck enough or what?

Tough break for Chaump, who's now the former coach of Navy. He was
sh*t.canned after this loss.

TTom

               <<< Note 51.504 by HBAHBA::HAAS "dingle lingo" >>>
                                  -< College >-

>army 22, NAVY 20
>air force 37, HAWAII 24
>Florida 24, Alabama 23


	AF ends up at 8-4 and have a better record than 17 teams that are 
	going to bowls.  AF is staying home.

	Kevin

Kevin/Fred,

Air Force came outta the gate losing to Colorado St, BYU and
Northwestern. That musta been more than enough for the voters who don't
bother to actually watch what happens. Since these losses, Air Force won
7 in a row before losing to ND.

TTom

detroit 19, NY JETS 7
cleveland 19, DALLAS 14
GREEN BAY 40, chicago 3
minnesota 21, BUFFALO 17
PITTSBURGH 14, philadelphia 3
NY GIANTS 27, cincinnati 20
NEW ENGLAND 28, indianapolis 13
TAMPA BAY 24, la rams 14
san francisco 38, SAN DIEGO 15
LA RAIDERS 23, denver 13
seattle 16, HOUSTON 14
ARIZONA 17, washington 15
new orleans 29, ATLANTA 20

DETROIT 41, minnesota 19
SAN FRANCISCO 42, denver 19
GREEN BAY 21, atlanta 17
INDIANAPOLIS 10, miami 6
san diego 21, NY JETS 6
new england 41, BUFFALO 17
PITTSBURGH 17, cleveland 7
CHICAGO 27, la rams 13
tampa bay 17, WASHINGTON 14
KANSAS CITY 31, houston 9
ny giants 16, PHILADELPHIA 13
ARIZONA 28, cincinnati 7
la raiders 17, SEATTLE 16

NY GIANTS 15, dallas 10
CLEVELAND 35, seattle 9
INDIANAPOLIS 10, buffalo 9
green bay 34, TAMPA BAY 19
new england 13, CHICAGO 3
ATLANTA 10, arizona 6
CINCINNATI 33, philadelphia 30
kansas city 19, LA RAIDERS 9
HOUSTON 24, ny jets 10
SAN DIEGO 37, pittsburgh 34
new orleans 30, DENVER 28
washington 24, LA RAMS 21
MIAMI 27, detroit 20
MINNESOTA 21, san francisco 14

Should be some interesting lines on the firsted round playoff games...

Boston College 12, Kansas St 7
Utah 16, Arizona 13
Virginia 20, TCU 10

Boston College 12, Kansas St 7
Utah 16, Arizona 13
Virginia 20, TCU 10
BYU 31, Oklahoma 6

Boston College 12, Kansas St 7
Utah 16, Arizona 13
Virginia 20, TCU 10
BYU 31, Oklahoma 6
Texas 35, No Carolina 31
Tennessee 45, Va Tech 23
Michigan 24, Colorado St 14
Illinois 30, East Carolina 0
Washington St 10, Baylor 3
Nebraska 24, Miami-Fl 17
NC State 28, Mississippi St 24
Wisconsin 34, Duke 20
So Carolina 24, West Virginia 21
Southern Cal 55, Texas Tech 14
Alabama 24, Ohio St 17
Colorado 41, Notre Dame 24
Penn St 38, Oregon 20
Florida St 23, Florida 17

GREEN BAY 16, detroit 12
MIAMI 27, kansas city 17
CLEVELAND 20, new england 13
chicago 35, MINNESOTA 18

PITTSBURGH 29, cleveland 9
SAN FRANCISCO 44, chicago 15

DALLAS 35, green bay 9
SAN DIEGO 22, miami 21

san diego 17, PITTSBURGH 13
SAN FRANCISCO 38, dallas 28

    Who is Tampa Bay?  Did some team move down there?  Winnipeg?  Now that
    this is the "IN" sport I need to know these things.
    
    I caught the expansion to Florida and they play somewhere near Miami
    but they're not Miami...
    
    And I know the San Jose Sharks are going to win the next Cup..
    
    And the Rangers will be settling back into another half-century of
    obscurity
    
    Billte

Tampa Bay Lightning....one of the two FLA expansion teams.

The other is the Florida Panthers.


I'm probably mixed up, but I think Phil Esposito is the GM for the Lightning...

    
    
    Sharks are nothing but a cool logo and your right 'Saw.  Espo is the 
    GM of the Lightning.
    
    Jerry

    I was there first...
    
    I've been heckled on my Sharks observation before and now there's two
    of us but anyone actually watching them will know it's not mirrors.
    
    Now having all those Europeans will challenge the integrity of the nhl
    hierachy.  The loss to Toronto I will chalk up to experience and home
    advantage.

>                         -< The Mighty Pelicans rule! >-


That's P....E....L.....    PELICANS!  8^)
    

    The Lightning are not an expansion team...They're one of the Original
    26.
    
    Mark.

    Well's there's an original 6 then 12 more only some of them moved
    around.  Then the other league joined up and I became familiar with say
    Edmonton but Winnipeg...eh.
    
    So somehow the total reached 26 and Tampa Bay was one of them but,
    again, where'd they come from?   Maybe it's hockey in Florida as a
    concept that's blocking me here.

    Tampa Bay came into the league a few years ago with San Jose.
    
    Florida came in last year ago with Anaheim.
    
    Minny relocated to Dallas.
    
    Mark.

>    Tampa Bay came into the league a few years ago with San Jose.

Yeah, and they're what I termed and expansion team.  Both teams in FLA
are expansion.  One was just from a more recent expansion!  8^)

    
>    Minny relocated to Dallas.

Yeah, how weird was that.....8^)

    
    Karen, do you like lose-i-peg? Or just Teemu Seleanne?

    There's still room on that Shark bandwagon.  Groaner and I will shut it
    down after the first round of the playoffs so get your seat early.
    
    

    
    
         Speaking of Groaner.
    
       HAS CLEVELAND EVER WON THE STANLEY CUP????

San Jose came into the league alone.  This is their 4th season.

The Lightning came in with the Senators.  This is their 3rd season.

Florida came in with the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim.  This is their 2nd season.


As for the Shark bandwagon:  I'd love to see the names Makarov and Larionov
on the Stanley Cup.


Steve

    Thanks, Steve...my comment about San Jose didn't look right after I
    wrote the note.
    
    Mark.

>   Thanks, Steve...my comment about San Jose didn't look right after I
>   wrote the note.
>   
>   Mark.

Actually, Mark, I oversimplified the Sharks' entry into the NHL.  At the
time, the Gund brothers, who wanted the San Jose franchise, owned the
Minnesota North Stars.  A series of machinations, of the sort of which
perhaps only the NHL is capable, led to their acquiring the rights to
San Jose and to a healthy piece of the Stars' roster, in exchange for
selling Minnesota to a local hero who would keep the team in town.  We
all know how that turned out.

The NHL regularly pulls off stunts like this.  I suppose the most recent
was the split of the Ducks' entry fee between Bruce McNall and the rest
of the league, as territorial indemnification.  Didn't do ol' Bruce a
helluva lot of good, of course.

Steve

 >>   Boston at undefeated PittsburgH

	Nice try at the old KoD, Karen.  Here's one who hopes it doesn't
	work this time.



	billl

another 2-1 game for Buffalo!

The Crazy Met

    
    
     Will the drabs ever win again:*)

    >Quebec 5  Pitts.  4  
    
    Pens seem to be in a bit of a tailspin lately.  Too bad they don't 
    play the Broons more often.
    
    
    
    billl

    
    
      Eat dirt.  They were lucky the last 11 times in a row. :*(
    
    Jerry

    >    Montreal 8  Pitts. 5  Schneider 2 g a, Damphousse 4a, Jagr 2g
    
    Gawd how long before Barasso is back?  Wreggett shows up on the 
    list of goalies with the most wins, but his goals/saves ratio 
    leaves quite a bit to be desired.  I don't think he's had a 
    shutout yet.
    
    
    
    billl

    >                -< Broons>>Habs>>Flight-less_Birds >-
    
    Looks like one of those loop thangs.  'specially since Pens>>>Broons.
    
    
    billl

    
    anybody have the NCAA scores ?

    scores for yesterday...
    
    NO. 1 KANSAS 82, No. 16 Colgate 68
    
    NO. 1 KENTUCKY 113, No. 16 Mt St Marys 67
    
    NO. 1 WAKE FOREST 79, No. 16 North Carolina A&T 47
    
    No. 11 Texas 90, NO. 6 OREGON 73
    
    No. 12 Miami Ohio 71, NO. 5 ARIZONA 62
    
    No. 13 Manhattan 77, NO. 4 OKLAHOMA 67
    
    NO. 2 CONNECTICUT 100, No. 15 Tennessee Chat 71
    
    NO. 3 MARYLAND 87, No. 14 Gonzaga 63
    
    NO. 4 OKLAHOMA STATE 73, No. 13 Drexel 49
    
    NO. 4 VIRGINIA 96, No. 13 Nicholls State 72
    
    NO. 5 ALABAMA 91, No. 12 Pennsylvania 85
    
    NO. 5 ARIZONA STATE 81, No. 12 Ball State 66
    
    NO. 7 CINCINNATI 77, No. 10 Temple 71
    
    NO. 8 WESTERN KENTUCKY 82, No. 9 Michigan 76
    
    No. 9 St Louis 64, NO. 8 MINNESOTA 61
    
    No. 9 Tulane 76, NO. 8 BYU 70
    
    

    
    
    Without your help we have to wait another 24 hours for scores...
    
    Can you help out a couple of expats (who are running their own NCAA
    pool) with scores of the following late games:
    
    	Memphis / Purdue
    	Syracuse / Arkansas
    	Iowa St. / North Carolina
    	Tulsa / Old Dominion
    	UCLA / Missouri
    	Miss. St / Utah
    
    
    Thanks,
    PJ
    

>    
>    DEVILS  4  Bruins  3 OT Richer 2g, Neely 2g, Naslund g
>

How much does THAT suck.

Lacher looked incredibly human last night, but the defense in front of
him looked sub-human.....


'Saw

>             <<< Note 51.604 by AMIS::STRAGE "David STRAGE @GEO" >>>
>                      -< Late scores for expats...please >-

>    Thanks,
>    PJ


All you have to know is that Arsenal sucks.....


;^)


'Saw
    

    
    
    >  All you have to know is that Arsenal sucks......
    
    
    Oh sh*t, here we go again!!   (Maybe getting back on-line wasn't such a
    good idea!!)
    
    
    'saw, as you have such a great memory, can you tell me who won the
    European Cup Winners Cup last year and who is playing Sampdoria in the
    semi-finals this year??
    
    8-), 8-)
    PJ
    
    
    PS.  Before you mention it, I did see 'pool beat Man U this weekend.
    PJ

>    
>    Oh sh*t, here we go again!!   (Maybe getting back on-line wasn't such a
>    good idea!!)
>    

I'm not forgetting the paper that I was sent with all the Gunners stuff
in the back.  The Page 3 girl wasn't bad though, that's why I kept it....8^)


    
>    'saw, as you have such a great memory, can you tell me who won the
>    European Cup Winners Cup last year and who is playing Sampdoria in the
>    semi-finals this year??
    
Uh, I dunno....8^)  (You know damn well I know....)


And yep, my Reds did knock off Manchester U.....


Glad to see you back PJ....


'Saw

> I'm not forgetting the paper that I was sent with all the Gunners stuff
> in the back.  The Page 3 girl wasn't bad though, that's why I kept it....8^)
    
    Is she wearing or not wearing the trademark "Arsenal on the Arse"
    lettering (cool jersey, I think)?  ;-)
    
    glenn
    

>    Is she wearing or not wearing the trademark "Arsenal on the Arse"
>    lettering (cool jersey, I think)?  ;-)
    
No, fortunately, all that Gunners "crap" was kept on the back page. 8^)

'Saw    

    
    
    NCAA Regional scores please.....(for us poor European expats)....
    
    Thanks,
    PJ
    
    
    PS.  'saw, don't even mention Man United 3-0 victory over the Arse.  It
    was a different team playing - they were just wearing our uniforms.
    

>    Bruins  3  NYI    2  Neely g, Moger g, Leach g, Bourque 2a

Would that have been Moger's first NHL goal?

>    Caps    2  Bruins  1  Nelson g, Kasatonov g, Carey 25 saves

DAMN!

With the Women's Championship game on yesterday, I didn't see this game.

But it seems like the Bruins are scoring less than a pimply faced teenage
boy with coke-bottle eyeglasses these days.....


'Saw    

    Here's hoping the B's miss the playoffs.
    
    Mark.

I think it's time to get rid of Sutter.  I mean, what the heck does this
guy do?

I don't think they'll miss the playoffs, but neither do I see them going
very far.....


sigh....

    	You can blame Sutter, you can blame Sinden, but the Broons have the
    5th lowest payroll in the NHL.  Money does buy happiness.  I'll
    guarentee you that the Broons do not have the 5th lowest ticket price
    in the NHL.
    
    				   /Don

    re .634:
    
    That is exactly what started the demise of MLB as we once knew it,
    trying to buy championships.  Sorry, /er, money in one's pocket
    does not make one a better hockey player.
    
    
    
    billl

    	No Billl, but spending money to get better players to surround
    Bourque Oates and Neely will make the Broons a better team.  Then I'm
    to assume that you are very unhappy with the Pengoons championships
    since they're either the 2nd or 3rd highest payroll in the NHL.  And if
    the Broons ticket price was fifth from the bottom, I wouldn't complain
    about the team not winning the Stanley Cup.
    
    				   /Don

>    gOwhaLE at Buffalo


This sounds like it is the front-end of a home and home.  I'm seeing the
Whale play Buffalo at Harfaa on Saturday.

Surprisingly enough, they actually put out a pretty good package this
season called "Family Day".

You get four $29 seats, four hot dogs, four soft drinks, and two buckets
of popcorn, all for $70.

Since Kim's youngest is in kindergarten with Darren Turcotte's daughter,
we thought we'd take the two boys to the game.   As long as I get a 
couple of beers, I'll be happy.

I guess I should root for the Whalers, since the dreaded Sabres (gawd I
hate that team) are breathing down the miserly Bruins neck in the standings....


'Saw

>    gOWhalE  8  Pitts.  4    Chibirev hat trick, Smyth g, Jagr g

	Yipes!  Maybe the Pens outa spend some of that big payroll
	/er says they got on some defense.



	billl

    Does Hartford own the Pens this year or what?
    
    Mark.

>    Bruins   4  Buffalo 1  Oates g 2a, Neely g 2a, Mogilny g

Great game but Heinz was robbed.....

    
    
     Hienze is still a major stiff.
    
    Jerry

    
    	For the life of me, I just don't know what they see in Donato.
        He must have pictures of Harry or something ;^)
    
        RM

I disagree about Murray.

Last season, and what I've seen this season, he works hard and digs well
in the corners....


'Saw

    Murray is an underachiever of biblical proportions.
    
    Mark.

>
>    Murray is an underachiever of biblical proportions.
>    

In the games I've seen, he digs well in the corners and forechecks well.


He *could* put the puck in the net a bit more.....




Last night's win was ugly.  Really ugly.  But you have to admire the work
ethic as the sands of time slipped through the third period's hourglass.

Ted Donato (everybody's second favorite stiff) had a beautiful goal to
pull the flat Bruins back to a 5-3 deficit.  It showed a lot of work and 
a lot of hustle.

Don Sweeney's rush was a thang of beauty too.  What the hell, sometimes
you have to make something happen.

Sandy Moger got lucky that he kicked it to his stick, but hey, a goal
is a goal is a goal.

And finally, when the puck came back to Ray Bouque on the point, I just
KNEW it was going in the net.  Ray would not be denied.


I hope they see this as a wake up call......


Got a big kick out of Leo Boivin.....


'Saw

>Buffalo........18  18   6    42         NYRangers.......19  21   3    41
>Montreal.......18  20   5    41         Florida.........17  20   5    39
>gOWhAlE........18  21   5    41         Tampa Bay.......17  23   3    37
 *******

Sorry, Karen, I've got a lot of sympathy for the Hartford franchise and the
hard work a lot of people have done to keep it there, and I enjoyed watching
the team, as well, but if the Rangers miss the playoffs, my season is over.
Jeff's brother will instantly lose interest in hockey and we will have
received our last videotape.

The Rangers have been a frustrating team this year, and objectively, I
wouldn't mind seeing them out, but the brutal reality is that without
them, the only hockey I'll see will be the one hour highlights show on
NBC Super Channel.

Okay, okay, so I'll also be in the States for four weeks, glued to ESPN2 and
FOX, but that's well before the finals.  See, if the Rangers get in and then
bow out magnificently (as in 1993 against the Pens), then Jon gets emotionally
attached to the opponent.  With luck, this continues all the way to the end.
(We actually got the LA-Mtl final from him.)  But if they miss the playoffs,
I have no hope.

You DO understand, don't you?

Steve

I'll say this for the Whalers.  At least under the new ownership they're
in the playoff hunt this year.

That cannot help but be a good thing for the city of Hartford.

But I noticed yesterday that the Whalers still have a long way to go.....

    'Saw,
    	Only the Islanders and Ottawa are really out of it at this point.
    
    I said then they came back that they should just qualify everyone and
    expand the Cup, sort of like the Indiana high school tournement.
    
    But I agree goWhale - maybe I'll get Nesn to watch'em.  I've lost it
    with the Bruins under Sinden's B-minus system.  Problem is I' don't 
    know any Whales - I take it Francis is long since gone.

    Bill,
    
    goWhale is on Sprotschannel, not NESN.
    
    RTG

Sean Burke.

    Darn, I was hoping to keep a sharp eye on Mo and learn about whales

Let me see....

Whalers:

	Geoff Sanderson is their "hottest" scorer, but he's injured.

	Darren Turcotte is really good.

	They got Ranheim, McCrimmon, Adam Burt, Sean Burke, Frank Kuchera,
	Glenn Wesley....

I can't remember any more names....


'Saw

>    Bruins   1  gOWHALE 0  Czerkawski g, Lacher 22 saves, Burke 33 saves

That was a helluva good game......

    
    	The Whale are virtually eliminated from the playoffs. They
    currently have 41 pts and only 2 games to play. So they can only
    get 45 pts max. While the Rangers have 43 pts and three games to
    play. The 1st tie-breaker is number of wins during the season. The
    Rangers will win this tie-breaker. The Rangers must lose all of
    there remaining games, while Hartford wins all of there remaining
    games. For Hartford to have any chance at the playoffs.
    
    Ron

    Does anyone have the results of the IHL game between Atlanta and Las
    Vegas last night.  The paper didn't have anything and the local FAN
    station didn't say (sheesh).
    
    UMDan
    
                                                      

    Las Vegas 2
    Atlanta   1

    Thanks.  The Knights are out of it.
    
    UMDan

    >>                     -< No Turner Cup this year >-
    This wouldn't be named after that meglamainiac of Turner Broadcasting
    fame, now would it?  
    
    It would be just like him to name a trophy after himself.
    
    
    billl

Uh, Bill, I think you mean megalomaniac.  But that's an awfully strong
word, connoting mental imbalance, mental illness, etc etc etc.

Were you looking for egotistical instead?

    re .676 - I am not sure who it is named after (IHL Leauge cup), but
    it's not Teddy boy.  I think Jane wanted to name it the "Ho Cup", but
    the folks at COYOTE had that one wrapped up.
    
    UMDan

    Anyone have the NBA and MLB results for Sunday?  I'm in work and don't
    have access to the scores?
    
    Thanks,

So far:

East:	Indiana 90, Atlanta 82
	Indiana 105, Atlanta 97

	Orlando 124, Boston 77
	Boston 99, Orlando 92

	New York 103, Cleveland 79
	Cleveland 90, New York 84.

	Chicago 108, Charlotte 100 OT
	Charlotte 100, Chicago 89

West:	San Antonio 104, Denver 88
	San Antonio 122, Denver 96

	Phoenix 129, Portland 102
	Phoenix 103, Portland 94

	Utah 102, Houston 100
	Houston 140, Utah 126	

	Seattle 96, LA Lakers 71
	LA Lakers 84, Seattle 82

    
    
    Karen...
    
      Bruins  5  Ottawa   4  Hughes 2g, Neely g a, Bourque g a, Yashin 2a
    
    You sure about stone hands nettin two last night.  Thought Ried, Donato
    and someone else had one.
    
    Jerry

>      Bruins  5  Ottawa   4  Hughes 2g, Neely g a, Bourque g a, Yashin 2a
>    
>    You sure about stone hands nettin two last night.  Thought Ried, Donato
>    and someone else had one.
    
Hughes isn't as bad a Heinze....... 

Gotta love Dave Reid.  The guy works his a__ off.....

    
    	Looks like the B's will get about the 7-10th pick in the draft.
    Thanks to the Whale signing Glen Wesley. Just think the Whale can
    stink for 2 more years and benefit the B's even more.
    
    Ron

>    	Looks like the B's will get about the 7-10th pick in the draft.
>    Thanks to the Whale signing Glen Wesley. Just think the Whale can
>    stink for 2 more years and benefit the B's even more.
    
Yeah, ain't that something!

The press down here has been riding the hell out of Chris Pronger.

Pronger is the latest in a long line of "draft picks with great promise"
who've never panned out.

Pronger, who was touted as the next Larry Robinson to the folks in the 
central CT area, is like the 4th defensemen on the squad, and has a poor
+/-.  He's pretty lazy. 

The current excuse is that he's only 20, but they're riding the hell out of
him because he's making more money than Ray Bourque.


I wish we had more Bruins coverage down here.....


'Saw

    Habs miss playoffs, parade in Quebec!
    
    Mark.

NBA:
	new york 83, CLEVELAND 81
	LA LAKERS 105, seattle 101

NBA:
	indiana 105, ATLANTA 89		Indiana wins series 3-0
	CHICAGO 103, charlotte 80	Series: Chicago 2-1
	san antonio 99, DENVER 95	San Antonio wins series 3-0
	phoenix 117, PORTLAND 109	Phoenix wins series 3-0

    Questions?
    	So who do broons play, Wash or NJ?
    
    	Did Sharks need last nights tie or did they already have the
    breaker over LAKings
    
    	Is Groaner going to get back on Sharks bandwagon or will he remain
    in the background and come on strong if they win a game at Detroit?

    Debils at home.
    
    Gawd, I wish Wardle was around for this series.
    
    Mark.

orlando 82, BOSTON 77
utah 95, HOUSTON 82

     >  The Sharks made the playoffs...
     
    I was wondering if they had lost last night if they would have won the
    tb with la?

>    I was wondering if they had lost last night if they would have won the
>    tb with la?

I believe so.  I *think* they would because they have more wins.  

When the Whalers were in the running down here and it looked like there
might be a tie with the Rangers, everyone said that Rangers would take it
because they had more wins.

I thought they might look at the head-to-head series, but no one mentioned
that.....


'Saw

    
      Anyone have last night's NBA scores?

>>      Anyone have last night's NBA scores?


	NY Knicks and Phoenix Suns both won going away ... 
	Suns score was 130-108 ...

	Vinny

    -1  I don't know much about hockey and scoring statistics but how can
    the vancouver vs st louis score have a total of 7 goals and 8 assists.
    Can someone splain it to me???
    

>    -1  I don't know much about hockey and scoring statistics but how can
>    the vancouver vs st louis score have a total of 7 goals and 8 assists.
>    Can someone splain it to me???

Two assists can be awarded for each goal -- the last two players of the
scoring team to touch the puck prior to the actual goal scorer.

7 goals could generate 14 assists.


'Saw

    

    Jagr's first goal, with two Caps hanging all over him was a
    thing of beauty!
    
    
    billl

    
    
    
    Jagr's still a cross dresser.

    But he's one fast skatin', stick handlin', cross dresser!
    
    
    billl

    
    
    
      True.

    
    
    Karen...
    
      How could DeTriot win 4-2 in OT?
    
    Jerry

    What was the octopi count?
    
    UMDan

	anyone have the pre-season score from last weekend?  nothing mentioned
	in Pool_95.



	billl

Carolina 20, Jacksonville 14
DALLAS 21, buffalo 15
DENVER 9, san francisco 7

Friday:
detroit 30, NEW ENGLAND 17
jacksonville 24, MIAMI 21
pittsburgh 31, BUFFALO 10
cincinnati 34, INDIANAPOLIS 21
CHICAGO 18, carolina 15

Saturday:
GREEN BAY 27, new orleans 17
PHILADELPHIA 25, atlanta 17
ny jets 9, TAMPA BAY 3
KANSAS CITY 37, washington 21
arizona 16, HOUSTON 13
oakland 27, DALLAS 14
SEATTLE 34, st louis 20
denver 24, SAN FRANCISCO 10

Sunday:
ny giants 19, CLEVELAND 13

DETROIT 19, jacksonville 3

DETROIT 19, jacksonville 3
ATLANTA 37, miami 0
tampa bay 31, CINCINNATI 7
NY GIANTS 14, new orleans 13
ARIZONA 22, kansas city 17
PHILADELPHIA 13, ny jets 13
CAROLINA 19, denver 10
BUFFALO 9, dallas 7
NEW ENGLAND 21, minnesota 14
WASHINGTON 16, houston 13
OAKLAND 27, st louis 22
indianapolis 20, SEATTLE 17
green bay 36, PITTSBURGH 13
san francisco 17, SAN DIEGO 6

CLEVELAND 55, chicago 13

DETROIT 20, cincinnati 13
PHILADELPHIA 31, new england 7
st louis 27, JACKSONVILLE 10
MINNESOTA 20, oakland 17
indianapolis 20, GREEN BAY 17
MIAMI 27, washington 13
ATLANTA 19, cleveland 10
TAMPA BAY 20, pittsburgh 7
NY GIANTS 32, ny jets 31
KANSAS CITY 36, buffalo 10
SAN FRANCISCO 17, carolina 10
seattle 24, NEW ORLEANS 19
arizona 17, CHICAGO 16
HOUSTON, san diego - cancelled

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	Huh?

	Kevin

>|HOUSTON, san diego - cancelled
>
>
>	Huh?
>


Problems with the turf in the Astrodome.  Game not rescheduled.

>Problems with the turf in the Astrodome.  Game not rescheduled.

Right you are.

The irony of this is that owner Bud Adams is threatening to leave Houston
if'n the city doesn't build him a new dome. I guess this shows him who's
the real boss :*)

TTom

Yawn: 

	Nebraska 64, Oklahoma St 21

And in a shocker:

	Western Illinois 85, Iowa Wesleyan GOOSE-EGG-BABY!!!!

TTom

    
    I don't have a paper, any NFL scores?
    

    
    Packers	27	Bears	24
    Dolphins	20	Pats	 3
    Raiders	20	Redskins 8
    Steelers	34	Oilers	17
    Rams	17	Saints	13
    Vikings	20	Lions	10
    Bills	31	Panthers 9
    Chiefs	20	Giants  17
    Browns	22	Bucs	 6
    Colts	27	Jets	24
    Chargers	14	Seattle 10
    Bengals	24	Jags	17
    Niners	41	Falcons	10
    Eagles	31	Cards	19

san diego 27, PHILADELPHIA 21
GREEN BAY 14, ny giants 6
BUFFALO 20, indianapolis 14
KANSAS CITY 23, oakland 17 (OT)
cleveland 14, HOUSTON 7
atlanta 27, NEW ORLEANS 24 (OT)
arizona 20, DETROIT 17
st louis 31, CAROLINA 10
SAN FRANCISCO 28, new england 3
DENVER 38, washington 31
SEATTLE 24, cincinnati 21
chicago 25, TAMPA BAY 6
NY JETS 27, jacksonville 10
dallas 23, MINNESOTA 17 (OT)

Thursday:
KANSAS 38, tcu 20

Saturday:
FLORIDA ST 77, nc state 17
cincinnati 16, VA TECH 0
ILLINOIS 9, arizona 7
PENN ST 66, temple 14
iowa 27, IOWA ST 10
RUTGERS 27, navy 17
VIRGINIA 41, georgia tech 14
duke 23, ARMY 21
NEBRASKA 77, arizona st 28
kentucky 17, INDIANA 10
WYOMING 52, hawaii 6
COLORADO 66, ne louisiana 14
arkansas 20, ALABAMA 19
NOTRE DAME 41, vanderbilt 0
OKLAHOMA 24, smu 10
N TEXAS 30, oregon st 27
FLORIDA 62, tennessee 37
OHIO ST 30, washington 20
oregon 38, UCLA 31
TEXAS 38, pittsburgh 27
colorado st 27, AIR FORCE 20
michigan st 30, LOUISVILLE 7
TEXAS A&M 52, tulsa 9
michigan 23, BOSTON COLLEGE 13
wisconsin 24, STANFORD 24
clemson 29, WAKE FOREST 14
mississippi st 30, BAYLOR 21
MARYLAND 31, west virginia 17
TEXAS TECH 41, missouri 14
LSU 12, auburn 6
tulane 17, RICE 15
utah 36, NEW MEXICO 9
BYU 31, san diego st 19
SOUTHERN CAL 45, houston 10

World Chess Championship:

After 5 games, 

	Garry Kasparov (champ)	0-0-5
	Viswanathan Anand	0-0-5

Sunday:
minnesota 44, PITTSBURGH 24
NY GIANTS 45, new orleans 29
ST LOUIS 34, chicago 28
TAMPA BAY 14, washington 6
SAN DIEGO 17, denver 6
DALLAS 34, arizona 20
OAKLAND 48, philadelphia 17
ATLANTA 13, ny jets 3
CLEVELAND 35, kansas city 17
houston 38, CINCINNATI 28
green bay 24, JACKSONVILLE 14

Thursday:
no carolina 17, LOUISVILLE 10

Saturday:
virginia 22, CLEMSON 3
penn st 59, RUTGERS 34
SYRACUSE 27, minnesota 17
NOTRE DAME 55, texas 27
kentucky 35, SO CAROLINA 30
VA TECH 13, miami-fl 7
baylor 14, NC STATE 0
NORTHWESTERN 30, air force 6
KANSAS 20, houston 13
INDIANA 27, southern miss 26
ILLINOIS 7, east carolina 0
WISCONSIN 42, smu 0
WYOMING 45, oklahoma st 25
MISSOURI 31, ne louisiana 22
OKLAHOMA 51, n texas 10
COLORADO 29, texas a&m 21
TENNESSEE 52, mississippi st 14
ohio st 54, PITTSBURGH 14
PURDUE 35, michigan st 35
WASHINGTON 21, army 13
stanford 28, OREGON 21
ARKANSAS 27, memphis 20
WASHINGTON ST 24, ucla 15
MISSISSIPPI 18, georgia 10
MARYLAND 41, duke 28
wake forest 30, NAVY 7
LSU 52, rice 7
tcu 16, VANDERBILT 3
UTAH 25, fresno st 21
southern cal 31, ARIZONA 10
ARIZONA ST 20, oregon st 11
HAWAII 42, texas-el paso 21

Wesleyan (The One Right and True Wesleyan) beat whomever they were playing.


'Saw_for_JD

Ah yes, that's it....

Middlebury wears them faux Michigan style helmets, with silver instead of
gold.

Doug Brien misses a FG at the end and the Lions hold on to win 27-24.

Detroit made a living outta the short pass which Mitchell played very
well. San Fran looked stuck in second gear much of the time.

Sanders got about 25 yards rushing, total, and Rice din't catch a TD.
Brien earlier missed another FG and Marquez Pope, the guy that plays
where Neon used to, was torched all night.

TTom

World Chess Championship:

After 9 games, 

	Viswanathan Anand	1-0-8
	Garry Kasparov (champ)	0-1-8

Someone actually won a game.

TTom

World Chess Championship:

After 10 games, 

	Garry Kasparov (champ)	1-1-8
	Viswanathan Anand	1-1-8

In his words, Kasparov "played a powerful novelty". That obviously
distracted Anand, what with all them buzzing and grinding noises.

Reminds me of the times we used to smoke real bad cigars in the bridge
tournaments, back when it was a manly sport and you could smoke. We din't
have novelties in West Virginee.

TTom

    Can we play bridge over the net.  I think I recall a few other bridge
    players mentioned in here.  SI used to have a bridge column every week
    and Charles Goren was honorable mention for Man of the Year.

There's a couple of BRIDGE conferences:

Contract Bridge (Card Game)     TURRIS::BRIDGE                             
Contract Bridge over DECnet     CTHQ1::WELKIN::REMOTE_BRIDGE               

The second may be what you're lookin fer.

TTom

I must confess I've tried to read the rules of bridge and become befuddled
every time.

What with the East, the West, the North and the South it reminds me of
something else.

You have to bid, but you dont' have to submit and RFP, and you have rubbers, so
either some copulation is in the offing, or else the possibility of getting
one's feet wet exists.



Ah, the mysteries of Bridge......

The problem with bridge is the problem with chess: you have to understand
a fairly substantial set of rules afore you can play, at all.

But basically, it's spades with a bid - contract - on how many you can
make and a suit that's trump if'n you're not playing no trump in which
case they aint no trump. Then one guy becomes the dummy and gets up and
gets everyone a beer.

If'n you drink one beer per hand, bridge can be a lot of fun. Of course,
you can add to the festivities by making the loser of the hand drink
another one.

Hit 'em while they're down is what I always say. Be like Joe Paterno and
run up that danged ol' score.

TTom

    well in bridge the signalling systems (conventions) have to be made
    known to the opponents unlike, say, Kevin Kennedy's signalling for a
    steal or a bunt.  The Italian team was accused of having secret systems
    to go along with their system.
    
    In whist I think you can use whatever you want and it's up to the enemy
    to figure out what you're doing.

> The problem with bridge is the problem with chess: you have to understand
> a fairly substantial set of rules afore you can play, at all.
    
    The rules of chess ain't so bad.  You just have to know what a few
    pieces are allowed to do.  Strag-e-dy is another matter entirely.
    Someone like me can still play even though I have no idea of what 
    the hail I'm doing.  Paired with an opponent of equal ignorance, you 
    move these little guys around for about an hour until either someone
    accidently stumbles into checkmate, or there are only two kings left.
    
    Now bridge, that surely is the game of jeenyuses...
    
    glenn
    

Yeah, in duplicate bridge, where everyone sitting in your position plays
the same hands as you, you have to fill out a little card declaring your
conventions. But of course, in the manlier version of the sport, lying,
cheating and ingnorance play a_equal part in the bidding. Conventions are
for saps!

The team that really got into trouble was the British team, led by one of
the truly greats, Terrence Leah. At the time, which was a while back, he
was the Michael Jordan of his sport. Leah was accused of holding his
cards in a certain way to tell his partner how many cards he had in a
given suits. The powers that be took away his world championships and
banned his bidding system that he invented.

Naturally, we played that system whilest smoking said same cheap cigars.

TTom

Yeah, I lost my fascination with chess when I realized that unless you're
thinking about 24 moves ahead, you're not ever gonna get very good.

This bridge thang sounds interesting though, especially the ceegars and
cheatin' stuff.

Is there like such a thing a "Full Contact Bridge" where you can wang your
opponents a good one every once in a while?

Also, is there a Wesleyan bridge team?


'Saw

Bridge is much more finite than chess.

4 suits, 13 cards, high card wins excepting if'n it's trumped. Being able
to determine that the funny guy with a J beats all them spots on a 10 is
helpful. It's not required to be able to count to 52, neither.

TTom

It's like Hearts in the sense that the high card takes the tricks, except
in Hearts you don't want anything and in bridge you want 'em all.

Cribbage is the bestest 2 handed card game they is. PERIOD. I've had a
cribbage board about as long as I've known about cards.

TTom

    If you think you can play cribbage get the computer game and turn it
    all the way up.  The sob learns your tendencies, has the numbers all
    computed and totally humbles you.  Learned a little from the little
    jerk.
    
    And I always did have a lingering suspicion that it was dealing off the
    bottom.
    
    Used to call it the 3 Bs of college life: Beer,basketball and bridge
    except bridge and chess don't go well with beer, nor does basketball.

>    ... except bridge and chess don't go well with beer, ...

Speak for thine own self.

>                -< Nor I suppose studying, come to think of it >-

Ditto.

I'll have to try out that there humbling computer guy.

The problem that I have with most card games is that I aint the luckiest
buy in the world when it comes to drawing cards. With duplicate bridge,
there's a lot of solace knowing some other sap has to play the same
hand that has a 9 as its highest card.

TTom

    >The problem that I have with most card games is that I aint the
    >luckiest buy in the world when it comes to drawing cards. With duplicate 
    >bridge, there's a lot of solace knowing some other sap has to play the 
    >same hand that has a 9 as its highest card.
    
    Only if you have a distribution point, otherwise you don't play the
    hand.
    
    Karen, if you combine the counting of points in a cribbage hand before
    discarding to the crib, with the hearts concept of high card wins.  You
    have a good start on bridge.  If you know those two games, you can
    learn enough bridge in a single night to sit in on a friendly game.
    
    Marc
    

Man, this thread takes me back.  Most of my memories of college are of
bridge and cribbage.  I never took to chess, despite the efforts of a
fanatical uncle to teach me the game, but bridge and cribbage (yes, and
hearts) were passions.  I hate to think how many hours went into them
that might better have been invested in my education.

Bridge isn't really that hard to play at a casual level.  The rules are
straightforward, and a bidding system like Standard American can be
learned quickly, as it is mostly intuitive.  There are other, more
complex, systems, that allow for better exchange of information.  In
my duplicate days, my partner and I played Kaplan-Sheinwold.

A former colleague from my US days was a life master, who played and
won at the highest levels.  Three of us mortals played with him one
evening, and discovered just how far we were from the major leagues.
A truly humbling experience.

Steve

>    Only if you have a distribution point, otherwise you don't play the
>    hand.
    
The onliest reason you don't play the hand is if'n you're the dummy. I 
guess what you meant is that you shore won't be doing much bidding, of 
course, assuming that your partner doesn't make a demand bid.

You don't have to be all that lofty to win master points and attain a 
ranking in bridge.

Almost everywhere you can find games that award points. It may only be a
few but if'n you're into playing anyway you might as well get 'em.

The way I am is that it's either party bridge (now there's a surprise) or 
duplicate/serious.

And I'm willing to lose the cigar ;-)

TTom

>    BTW - got my butt kicked in crib today.


need a pillow?

    >The onliest reason you don't play the hand is if'n you're the dummy.
    
    OR, if you have 0 Aces, Kings, Queens, and Jacks and you have at least
    three cards in each suit.  If you have this in your hand, the hand is
    tossed in and not played.
    
    Marc
    

    That's whist - in bridge you play whatever you're dealt.  One of those
    8s or 9s may prove a winner.

    
    
    Hmm, I play about once per week and have seen multiple bridge books
    that say the same thing.  Perhaps I will sanity check myself this
    weekend.
    
    However, I've NEVER seen a hand like that, so it really doesn't matter.
    
    Marc
    

Marc,

What you're talking about is a common friendly bridge rule. I think
technically, the hand you describe is known as a Yarborough, although I
haven't the foggiest how this came about.

What I was talking about was duplicate bridge. In that situation, you
pre-deal all of the hands and place them in this device that separates
the hands by position. You play the hands, keeping your cards in front of
you - not mixin' 'em up - and put the hands back into this rack thing.

Then you pass the hand to the nexted table. Usually, the way it works is
like musical chairs. North and South sit at the table and don't move.
East and West move from table to table, and so do the hands. Typically
you play 3 or 4 hands at each table. In the end, everyone plays against
everyone else and you've played all the hands.

In this case, you got no choice but to play the hand and like I said, so
does every luckless sap who has the misfortune to play the Yarborough.

TTom

>technically, the hand you describe is known as a Yarborough, although I
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^


Sounds like racin!

T'aint CALE Yarborough.

I think the guy was Lord, like the noble type title, Yarborough.

TTom

Sunday:
WASHINGTON 27, dallas 23
miami 26, CINCINNATI 23
ATLANTA 30, new england 17
philadelphia 15, NEW ORLEANS 10
INDIANAPOLIS 21, st louis 18
tampa bay 20, CAROLINA 13
SAN FRANCISCO 20, ny giants 6
PITTSBURGH 31, san diego 16
SEATTLE 27, denver 10
kansas city 24, ARIZONA 3
jacksonville 17, HOUSTON 16
oakland 47, NY JETS 10

Saturday:
MICHIGAN ST 25, boston college 21
syracuse 27, RUTGERS 17
VIRGINIA 35, wake forest 17
alabama 31, GEORGIA 0
FLORIDA 28, mississippi 10
clemson 43, NC STATE 22
texas 35, SMU 10
va tech 26, PITTSBURGH 16
rice 21, ARMY 21
NEBRASKA 35, washington st 21
byu 28, COLORADO ST 21
EAST CAROLINA 23, west virginia 20
NORTHWESTERN 31, indiana 7
OHIO ST 45, notre dame 26
TENNESSEE 31, oklahoma st 0
washington 26, OREGON ST 16
wisconsin 17, PENN ST 9
SOUTHERN MISS 45, tulane 0
SOUTHERN CAL 31, arizona st 0
lsu 20, SO CAROLINA 20
BAYLOR 9, texas tech 7
auburn 42, KENTUCKY 21
navy 30, DUKE 9
ne louisiana 34, MISSISSIPPI ST 32
arkansas 35, VANDERBILT 7
louisville 17, MEMPHIS 7
air force 27, NEW MEXICO 24
colorado 38, OKLAHOMA 17
utah 34, TEXAS-EL PASO 21
UCLA 45, fresno st 21
ARIZONA 20, california 15

>	Viswanathan Anand	1-1-9
>
>Kasaprov had Anand down and was working for a choke hold or submission
>when Anand gave him the limp pawn move, where you sacrifice employees to
>cut your losses. Kasparov, pouting severely, offered a draw, which was
>quickly accepted.
>


Has anyone ever seen Anand and Bob "Shorty" Palmer together?

USA Today CNN Coaches' Poll:		AP:
----------------------------		----------------------------
 1. Florida St (34) 1,513		 1. Florida St (37) 1,522
 2. Nebraska (24) 1,500			 2. Nebraska (17) 1,489
 3. Florida 1,394			 3. Florida (2) 1,384
 4. Southern Cal (2) 1,323		 4. Colorado (6) 1,381
 5. Ohio St (2) 1,303			 5. Southern Cal 1,292
 6. Colorado 1,291			 6. Ohio St 1,292
 7. Michigan				 7. Michigan
 8. Texas A&M				 8. Texas A&M
 9. Virginia				 9. Virginia
10. Auburn				10. Tennessee
11. Tennessee				11. Auburn
12. Penn St				12. Penn St
13. Kansas St				13. Kansas St
14. Oklahoma				14. Oklahoma
15. Washington				15. Washington
16. Texas				16. Alabama
17. Alabama				17. Oregon
18. Oregon				18. Arkansas
19. Kansas				19. Stanford
20. Stanford				20. Texas
21. Arkansas				21. LSU
22. LSU					22. Wisconsin
23. Notre Dame				23. Notre Dame
24. Baylor				24. Kansas
25. UCLA				25. Northwestern

Yeah, he throttled him in like 25 moves....


I brought out my little Radio Shack computerized chess game (endorsed, btw, by
Kasparov) and it kicks my ass on the easiest setting....8^)

    Keep up the good work TTom...  I never knew how interesting chess
    could be.  You make a good color man for the game of chesssss
    

Being a fan of rugby and aussie rules football and the like, I was wondering
if either of these guys has bled yet?

Have the trainers had to come in yet with their surgical glove and try to 
close a cut?


Enquiring minds and all that,
'Saw

    American League
    
     Cleveland at               2      Final
     Seattle                    3
    
    
    National League
    
     Atlanta at                 2      Final  11 innings
     Cincinnati                 1
    

Thursday:
ST LOUIS 21, atlanta 19

Sunday:
INDIANAPOLIS 18, san francisco 17
philadelphia 17, NY GIANTS 14
BUFFALO 27, seattle 21
GREEN BAY 30, detroit 21
KANSAS CITY 31, new england 26
TAMPA BAY 20, minnesota 17
chicago 30, JACKSONVILLE 27
dallas 23, SAN DIEGO 9
NEW ORLEANS 33, miami 30
ARIZONA 24, washington 20
CAROLINA 26, ny jets 15

Saturday:
GEORGIA TECH 27, no carolina 25
MIAMI-FL 56, rutgers 21
west virginia 31, BOSTON COLLEGE 19
notre dame 28, ARMY 27
tcu 33, RICE 28
VIRGINIA 44, duke 30
air force 30, NAVY 20
florida 49, AUBURN 38
ohio st 27, WISCONSIN 16
penn st 26, PURDUE 23
NEBRASKA 57, missouri 0
michigan st 27, ILLINOIS 21
georgia 17, VANDERBILT 6
FLORIDA ST 72, wake forest 13
ARKANSAS 13, mississippi 6
TEXAS A&M 20, smu 17
KANSAS 34, iowa st 7
IOWA 22, indiana 13
colorado st 19, UTAH 14
tennessee 41, ALABAMA 14
WYOMING 27, louisville 20
kansas st 23, OKLAHOMA ST 17
oklahoma 24, TEXAS 24
SOUTHERN CAL 26, washington st 14
washington 38, STANFORD 28
TEMPLE 29, pittsburgh 27
oregon 52, CALIFORNIA 30
UCLA 17, arizona 10
so carolina 65, MISSISSIPPI ST 39
KENTUCKY 24, lsu 16
northwestern 27, MINNESOTA 17
CINCINNATI 16, southern miss 13
baylor 47, HOUSTON 7
memphis 23, TULANE 8
NEW MEXICO 24, hawaii 10
SAN DIEGO ST 48, fresno st 24
tulsa 38, TEXAS-EL PASO 28
ARIZONA ST 29, byu 21

other:
al-birmingham 19, N TEXAS 14
NEVADA 59, ne louisiana 35
SYRACUSE 52, e michigan 24
TEXAS TECH 53, arkansas st 25
VA TECH 77, akron 27

	I miss the Wesleyan report.

USA Today CNN Coaches' Poll:		AP:
----------------------------		----------------------------
 1. Florida St (34) 1,512		 1. Florida St (38) 1,520
 2. Nebraska (22) 1,496			 2. Nebraska (16) 1,487
 3. Florida (1) 1,416			 3. Florida (3) 1,421
 4. Ohio St (4) 1,378			 4. Ohio St (5) 1,388
 5. Southern Cal (1) 1,326		 5. Southern Cal 1,310
 6. Tennessee				 6. Tennessee
 7. Kansas				 7. Kansas
 8. Kansas St				 8. Kansas St
 9. Colorado				 9. Colorado
10. Michigan				10. Michigan
11. Northwestern			11. Northwestern
12. Oregon				12. Oregon
13. Auburn				13. Auburn
14. Oklahoma				14. Virginia
15. Virginia				15. Oklahoma
16. Texas				16. Texas
17. Iowa				17. Notre Dame
18. Penn St				18. Iowa
19. Texas A&M				19. Penn St
20. Syracuse				20. Washington
21. Baylor				21. Alabama
22. Notre Dame				22. Texas A&M
23. Washington				23. Stanford
24. Alabama				24. Wisconsin
25. Stanford				25. Texas Tech

>	I miss the Wesleyan report.

Me too.

FWIW, the one and onliest just plain Wesleyan won again. They mastered
Bates, 23-16.

TTom

>FWIW, the one and onliest just plain Wesleyan won again. They mastered
>Bates, 23-16.

Are you saying they won in Onanesque fashion?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......................


Life returns to normal!

    
    
    Gee thanks Karen.....until now I was able to avoid the fact that
    the B'; are lookin up at both the Flubbers and Ottawa.
    

    
    
    What this makes Ottawa win #4 or 5 already.  What is Bonehead doing up
    there?
    
    Jerry

    
    
      Lets see thats 3 in a row for the hapless habs.  Guess that means the
    B's are looking up at the Flubbers, Ottawa and now the Habs.  Not good
    nope not good at all.
    
    Jerry

>    
>      Lets see thats 3 in a row for the hapless habs.  Guess that means the
>    B's are looking up at the Flubbers, Ottawa and now the Habs.  Not good
>    nope not good at all.
>    
>    Jerry
>

Take heart Jerry, the Flames (my other NHL team that I root for) is going
through the same thing.  New coach, suckass performance.


The Bruins GOT to get rid of Kasper. 

    Yesterday I thought you guys were being hasty after only eight games,
    then I look and they've only played six, 2-2-2 and most of them on the
    road including a freak where they let in 3 in < 1 minute.
    
    It's one thing  to skewer the Celtics and M.L. while still in
    pre-season but 6 games for the B's.

    
    
    
      Kasper the dolt has at least put Mariuz back in the lineup for
    tonight.  Not sure who's he gonna sit.  Don Sweeney is still out as 
    far as I know which don't bode well for a bad defense as it is.  I'm
    hopin he sits Leach or Donato but not to sure.  Need to score early
    and often tonight against Carey to have a chance.  Lets hope Lacher
    shows up tonight also.
    
    Jerry

Okay, now it's 2-3-2.....

Can I run him through NOW Bill?


Kasper sucks.  He sucks worse than Jon Casey did.......

>    It's 2-4-2...  (-:


Steve Kasper, debuts on the Chainsaw's How_Much_Does_He_Suck Scale at


			7.945 Torr


Highest debut ever.


As Imus would say:


	Steve Kasper, you can't suck enough!

    
    why?

>    What can a 45-year-old and a 20-year-old possibly have in common
>    besides golf and sex?

	Mike, you say that like it's a bad thing.


	billl

    
    
    
      at least the B's didn't loose.  Flubbers 2night.

    
    
      I believe the record for assists is 7 in one game.  Gretzky has done
    it 3 times or so.  Someone else too but don't remember.
    
    Jerry

    So did TB forget to use a goalie this game?  10-0!
    

    Any body get a Miami San Diego score from the coast last night?
    
    

Yep, correct....

>    Bruins  4  Caps   3  Neely  & Moger g, Sweeney a, Bondra 2g a

I knew they'd almost blow it.

Yeah, it was a win, but these guys are still playing really sloppy.  They pass
to no one, and if they do pass to someone, chances are he doesn't handle the
pass cleanly.

Sorry folks, but to me that's coaching.  It starts with discipline, and working
them until they get it right....

This win was nothing, IMO, to write home about....

    Good morning, Karen.  Isn't today a holiday in the States?
    
    Since you're here, do you have any information on what I understand
    is a season-ending knee injury to Pavel Bure?
    
    Steve

Thanks for the info, Karen.  Damn, I really do enjoy watching that kid play.
Saw two LA-Van games while in LA, both ties (at 7 and at 3).  In the first,
Canucks jumped to a 5-1 lead, LA came back to lead 7-5, Vancouver tied it up.
Each team had more than 45 shots.  Incredible pace.  Bure and Mogilny on the
same power play, anything faster, you'd need a pilot's license.

And by the way:

> PittsburgH......8   3   3    19         Florida.........13   4   0    26
           ^
> gOWhAlE.........6   7   1    13         Philadelphia.....9   6   3    21
  ^^^^^^^
> Buffalo.........6   9   1    13         DEVILS...........9   6   1    19
                                          ^^^^^^

Have you been watching too much ESPN2?

Steve

>   I don't get ESPN2 but if they're doing that then they took it from this
>   file... (-:

ESPN2's schtick includes mixing upper and lower case in a manner that is
very hard on these middle aged eyes, e.g.,

		lOs anGelEs    7         2nD peRiOd
		vaNcOuveR      7               4:05
    
>   JoJ: YOU HAVE TO SHOUT IN THE DEVILS NOTE!

Ah.

>   gOWhaLE was dINZ!!!!1111

Huh?

>   and PittsburgH is w/capital H so people don't forget it (the "H" not the
>   city). 

Talk about tilting at windmills!  Keep up the good fight.

And we really need to do something about apostrophes. ;*)

Steve

Sunday:
new england 34, MIAMI 17
oakland 17, NY GIANTS 13
BUFFALO 23, atlanta 17
GREEN BAY 35, chicago 28
NEW ORLEANS 17, indianapolis 14
DETROIT 27, tampa bay 24
cincinnati 32, HOUSTON 25
seattle 47, JACKSONVILLE 30
ST LOUIS 28, carolina 17
san francisco 38, DALLAS 20
kansas city 22, SAN DIEGO 7
minnesota 30, ARIZONA 24
PHILADELPHIA 31, denver 13

Thursday:
texas a&m 17, RICE 10

Saturday:
florida st 28, NO CAROLINA 12
miami-fl 17, BOSTON COLLEGE 14
ALABAMA 14, mississippi st 9
GEORGIA TECH 27, nc state 19
syracuse 42, PITTSBURGH 10
MICHIGAN 5, purdue 0
florida 63, SO CAROLINA 7
auburn 37, GEORGIA 31
michigan st 31, INDIANA 13
CLEMSON 34, duke 17
VA TECH 38, TEMPLE 16
KENTUCKY 33, cincinnati 14
OHIO ST 41, illinois 3
virginia 21, MARYLAND 18
nebraska 41, KANSAS 3
oklahoma st 12, OKLAHOMA 0
TEXAS TECH 27, tcu 6
AIR FORCE 38, army 20
NORTHWESTERN 31, iowa 20
southern miss 17, MEMPHIS 9
EAST CAROLINA 28, tulsa 7
baylor 48, SMU 7
kansas st 49, IOWA ST 7
COLORADO 21, missouri 0
COLORADO ST 22, hawaii 0
byu 31, NEW MEXICO 14
washington 38, UCLA 14
arizona st 38, CALIFORNIA 29
southern cal 28, OREGON ST 10
LOUISVILLE 39, ne louisiana 0
stanford 36, WASHINGTON ST 24
wisconsin 34, MINNESOTA 27
texas 52, HOUSTON 20
LSU 38, mississippi 9
rutgers 45, TULANE 40
FRESNO ST 47, texas-el paso 14
wyoming 34, SAN DIEGO ST 31
oregon 17, ARIZONA 13

other:
ARKANSAS 24, sw louisiana 13
NAVY 31, delaware 7
N TEXAS 41, idaho st 38
VANDERBILT 29, louisiana tech 6

USA Today CNN Coaches' Poll:		AP:
----------------------------		----------------------------
 1. Nebraska (50) 1,535			 1. Nebraska (45) 1,530
 2. Ohio St (11) 1,476			 2. Ohio St (12) 1,476
 3. Florida (1) 1,453			 3. Florida (5) 1,458
 4. Tennessee				 4. Tennessee
 5. Northwestern			 5. Northwestern
 6. Florida St				 6. Florida St
 7. Kansas St				 7. Kansas St
 8. Texas				 8. Notre Dame
 9. Colorado				 9. Colorado
10. Notre Dame				10. Texas
11. Southern Cal			11. Southern Cal
12. Virginia				12. Michigan
13. Arkansas				13. Virginia
14. Michigan				14. Arkansas
15. Texas A&M				15. Kansas
16. Oregon				16. Oregon
17. Kansas				17. Alabama
18. Va Tech				18. Texas A&M
19. Alabama				19. Penn St
20. Auburn				20. Va tech
21. Penn St				21. Auburn
22. Syracuse				22. Washington
23. Washington				23. Syracuse
24. Clemson				24. Clemson
25. BYU					25. Miami-Fl

And for those that sorta keep up:

	Trinity (Conn) despirited Wesleyan 22 to GOOSE EGGS BABY!

TTom

PITTSBURGH 20, cleveland 3.

Kordell Stewart tossed a TD pass, caught a pass for a 1st down and ran
the for 2 more 1st downs, including a juke on a_option play that left a
Brown frozen.

TTom

>                                -< a real loss >-
>
>And for those that sorta keep up:
>
>	Trinity (Conn) despirited Wesleyan 22 to GOOSE EGGS BABY!



This is a big rivalry for Wesleyan.  It's not been a good year for the One
Right and True Wesleyan.

Williams is another big rivalry for them and they lost that game this year
too.....

NIT firsted round results:

Wednesday:
	GEORGIA TECH 87, manhatten 67
	OKLAHOMA 99, jackson st 68
	ARKANSAS 75, ne louisiana 67
	ARIZONA 91, long beach st 57
	MICHIGAN 73, depaul 65
	weber st 102, FRESNO ST 86

Thursday:
	TEMPLE 65, rider 62
	GEORGETOWN 106, colgate 57

For the Hoyas, it was too much Allen Iverson, Othella Harrington and 
freshman Victor Page and too little Adonyl Foyle. 

Temple was lucky to beat Rider from the clips I saw. Rider's Charles 
Smith score 34 as the Owls were fortunate to keep up.

Second round matchups:

	GEORIGA TECH-oklahoma (tonight)
	ARKANSAS-arizona (tonight)
	MICHIGAN-weber st (tonight)
	GEORGETOWN-temple (Saturday)

	Does anyone have a list of teams playing in the
	Great Alaskan Shootout?  (My favorite time of
	the year in Anchorage)



	billl

Sunday:
PHILADELPHIA 28, ny giants 19
green bay 31, CLEVELAND 20
indianapolis 24, NEW ENGLAND 10
detroit 24, CHICAGO 17
pittsburgh 49, CINCINNATI 31
seattle 27, WASHINGTON 20
ATLANTA 31, st louis 6
CAROLINA 27, arizona 7
TAMPA BAY 17, jacksonville 16
dallas 34, OAKLAND 21
DENVER 30, san diego 27
buffalo 28, NY JETS 26
MINNESOTA 43, new orleans 24
KANSAS CITY 20, houston 13

Saturday:
MIAMI-FL 17, west virginia 12
SYRACUSE 58, boston college 29
NO CAROLINA 28, duke 24
nc state 52, WAKE FOREST 23
EAST CAROLINA 31, memphis 17
PENN ST 27, michigan 17
FLORIDA 38, vanderbilt 7
clemson 38, SO CAROLINA 17
TEXAS 27, tcu 19
tennessee 34, KENTUCKY 31
rutgers 23, TEMPLE 20
northwestern 23, PURDUE 8
va tech 36, VIRGINIA 29
OHIO ST 42, indiana 3
NAVY 35, tulane 7
AUBURN 31, alabama 27
notre dame 44, AIR FORCE 14
iowa 33, WISCONSIN 20
FLORIDA ST 59, maryland 17
ILLINOIS 48, minnesota 14
BAYLOR 34, rice 6
utah 34, BYU 17
MISSOURI 45, iowa st 31
WYOMING 38, fresno st 10
texas tech 45, SMU 14
colorado 27, KANSAS ST 17
cincinnati 24, TULSA 5
kansas 22, OKLAHOMA ST 17
ucla 24, SOUTHERN CAL 20
STANFORD 29, california 24
WASHINGTON 33, washington st 30
OREGON 12, oregon st 10
LOUISVILLE 57, n texas 14
LSU 28, arkansas 0
TEXAS-EL PASO 17, new mexico 12
san diego st 49, HAWAII 10

other:
ARMY 37, bucknell 6
southern miss 35, SW LOUISINA 32
TEXAS A&M 56, m tennessee st 14

>>   gOWhaLE was dINZ!!!!1111
>
> Huh?
    
    Obviously Dinz was a visionary, a truly underappreciated genius 
    at the keyboard...
    
    
    glenn
    

|           -< As is usually the case, his vision was stolen, copied >-
|
|
|>>   gOWhaLE was dINZ!!!!1111
|>
|> Huh?
|    
|    Obviously Dinz was a visionary, a truly underappreciated genius 
|    at the keyboard...
|    
|    
|    glenn


After reading Windows programs, with their "hungarianNotation" I'm convinced
that dInZdaLE actually wrote windows...

You are correct Glenn that DinZ clearly was a visionary, years ahead of his
time.  Why I even remember the PAtS dAy game where diNz had to weaR that
"Cam Neely is GOD(tm)" shirt....

Why, I'm even contemplating making a movie about his life, entitled

		ThE MAn whO woUlD Be dInz!


'sAw
    

USA Today CNN Coaches' Poll:		AP:
----------------------------		----------------------------
 1. Nebraska (44) 1,528			 1. Nebraska (44) 1,529
 2. Ohio St (16) 1,482			 2. Ohio St (13) 1,477
 3. Florida (2) 1,454			 3. Florida (5) 1,458
 4. Northwestern			 4. Northwestern
 5. Tennessee				 5. Tennessee
 6. Florida St				 6. Florida St
 7. Texas				 7. Notre Dame
 8. Colorado				 8. Colorado
 9. Notre Dame				 9. Texas
10. Kansas St				10. Kansas St
11. Va Tech				11. Kansas
12. Orgeon				12. Orgeon
13. Texas A&M				13. Va Tech
14. Kansas				14. Penn St
15. Auburn				15. Texas A&M
16. Penn St				16. Auburn
17. Southern Cal			17. Southern Cal
18. Syracuse				18. Michigan
19. Virginia				19. Virginia
20. Michigan				20. Washington
21. Washington				21. Alabama
22. Clemson				22. Syracuse
23. Alabama				23. Arkansas
24. Arkansas				24. Clemson
25. Miami-FL				25. Miami-Fl

    
    
     Jaimie Huscroft put one in the net???

>                     -< Why can't we get d'man like that >-
>
>    
>    
>     Jaimie Huscroft put one in the net???


Yeah, I know.  What's with that?

    
    	So who scored for the B's?  :^)

A better question is which ex-B's scored for the Penguins...  :-) :-)

Jerry,

Did you happen to notice who scored two for the 'Goons?  (Hint: NOT Smolinski)

If Murray is scoring goals against the Bruins, how much do they suck?????

    
    
      Murray wakes up and nets two.  That gives him 4 I think for the year. 
    He'd still have two if they played a real team last night.  The next
    time the B's play (Saturday night) if I see one Sabre in front of
    Bailey/Lacher/Biller whomever and a d'man does not cream him I'm gonna
    send my resume to Harry Sinden.  I may be only 5 foot nothin 190lbs
    but I wouldn't let other teams forwards set up in front without lettin
    'em know I'm there.  I'll bet O'Rielly, Pie, Chief, all of 'em can't
    even watch this group of sissies play hockey.  Hit somebody will ya.
    
    Jerry

If I could skate I could play defense with Jerry.


I mean, I don't recall hearing the Bruins trade for Brian Boitano and Scott
Hamilton during the off-season, but that's what Kasper has them playing like.

Next thing you know, Ray Bourque will be wantin' to open a restaurant!


'Saw
    

Jerry and I disagree slightly on some things (coaches having to motivate
players on occasion being one) but for the most part we think alike.

This Kasper guys is useless.  His team is not prepared, he isn't driving them
to get intensity, and they're playing like a bunch o' pansies.

Last night she showed a stat that the Broons had let in 11 goals this year
within one minute of scoring.   Melrose described having a special line he put
out after scoring or being scored upon to avoid that circumstance.  Obviously
Kasper (ie Mike Meyers) hasn't a clue...


I was no HUGE Sutter fan, but Kasper is to Sutter what Handley was to Parcells!


'Saw

    
    
      Karen I'm not going to say CuJo is gonna come in a save da Brooons. 
    Far from it.  This team for all its much talked about toughness in the
    off season pickups, Stevens was suppose to bring heart and goals and
    he has been a noshow on both accounts.  No goalie coulda saved them
    from themselves last night but I counted more than 1 softie let in by
    both of the B's netminders.  What gets me so upset is the teams lack of a
    physical play.  That freakin cross dresser Jagr had about 8 days to set
    up before he burried his goal.  Gawd hit the guy.  I'm not saying cross
    check him ala Ulfie but for god sake let him know your there.  LePuke 
    must have a sign on his back that reads "hit me and your fined" signed
    Gary Bettman.  There seems to be NO strategy and endless running
    around.  That is coaching plain and simple.  This team will not have to
    worry about getting sent home after the first round of the 'offs this
    year sad to say.
    
    Jerry

>    And I believe the offense will come around.  Maybe I'm out there,
>    who knows.

	That's a given.



	billl

re .886:

	I meant the part about you being "out there".


	billl

>    And I really did mean that you guys are hilarious.. at least funnier
>    than the two zipperheads on NECN that do that sports show ... Mike (?)
>    something and Howard (?) something.  
 
I watch the later version of this at 2:00 am when bottle-feeding my 
daughter.  Mike Adams and Howard Green sip even by the lowered standards of
that timeframe...

    re. God in the net
    
    I recall hearing that Jesus attended a 70s Bruins practice and made a
    nifty stop on Orr but Esposito put in the rebound.

>    I was watching bits of it this morning around 2:45 and I wasn't up
>    bottle-feeding anyone.  (-:

And here I was thinking that *I* need a life... :-)

If you face more rubber than Goodyear, of course you're gonna suck in the net.

But the sieve-like defense of Kasper's Bruins (you know, Boitano, Hamilton,
Elvis Stoiko, and some british guy) are too busy trying to get down their
triple lutz jumps and double axles than lay out some opposition forwards and
clear off some rebounds.

Jesus did stop Orr, Esposito put in the rebound, Jesus got mad and turned Espo
into a leper for the rest of the practice.  That's how the expression "faceoff
at the blue line" came about.


re Mike Adams:

	Mike did a stint down here as a sportscaster on WSFB-TV3.  He's
	a nice enough guy but he was basically a Chris Berman wannabe,
	and there's only one Chris Berman.

	Anyway, Mike had a little problem with nose candy, and was 
	kind of let go....  Then he caught on up there.



Kasper has got to go.   He and Dick Button can call figure skating for the
Olympics and maybe the Bruins can get a real coach... Hell, even Barry Melrose
sounded like he knew more of what to do than Kasper....

'Saw

.892:

>If you face more rubber than Goodyear, of course you're gonna suck in the net.

Actually, a goaltender can look very good on a poor team.  If he's of minimal
NHL quality, he's going to stop a bunch of shots.  He'll lose 9-3, but no one
will blame him--they're more likely say he's the only reason it wasn't
double digits.

>	a nice enough guy but he was basically a Chris Berman wannabe,
>	and there's only one Chris Berman.

Which is at least one too many.

Steve

|>	a nice enough guy but he was basically a Chris Berman wannabe,
|>	and there's only one Chris Berman.
|
|Which is at least one too many.

I like Berman, but there can be only one...

> I like Berman, but there can be only one...

Then he should at least keep his hands off of baseball.  If you football
fans like him, he's all yours.

Steve

>                    -< The Howard Cosell of his generation >-

Better than Howard could ever be.

IMO, Berman put ESPN on the map.

'Saw

>Better than Howard could ever be.

Depends.  I dislike Berman's baseball work less than I disliked Cosell's.
I give him credit for letting the event speak for itself when he called
Cal Ripken's record setter, which Cosell would never have done.  If he
had defaced the event with his stupid nicknames, I would have recycled
the tape.

But Cosell's impact on sportscasting is far greater than Berman's.  When
Cosell started working, sportscasters were timid and docile.  Howard not
only "told it like" he thought "it was", he told it the way the powers
that be didn't want to hear it.  If, as I believe, there is more racial
justice in the world of sports than in society as a whole, Howard Cosell
is part of the reason for it.

But I'm afraid you have to be nearly my age to appreciate that.

>IMO, Berman put ESPN on the map.

I'll take your word for it.  I've been watching it ever since it hit the
San Fernando Valley's cable system, but I have no idea how much of an
audience it had.  I gather it took longer to get into cable systems on
the Eastern Seaboard than out West (where the typical cable system offers
much more than back East), so our perceptions may differ for that reason.
And since I only watch it four weeks a year--and that mostly hockey--the
identification of Berman with ESPN has never seemed that close to me.

Steve

My god, I got 900 and I didn't know I was doing it.

While you were sleeping, Mike.  I knew those time zones had to be good
for something.

Steve ;*)

I remember Cosell and the controversy.  I've got nothing against Howard.

I'm a bit biased toward Berman, probably because he's a local boy who made
good.

ESPN is in Bristol, and when they started, Berman was putting in all kinds of
hours and doing this and doing that and doing the next thing.  I can't swear to
it, because our area of CT was one of the last to get cable, but I think ESPN
was on in this locale just about from the beginning.

I like Berman because, to me, his approach was fresh and different.  I like the
nicknames, I like the rest of the shtick....


'Saw

'Saw, the most important controversies of Howard Cosell's career came when
I was in college.  That would make you about five years old.  I'm talking
about BEFORE Monday Night Football, which turned him from a reporter into
a celebrity and went completely to his head.  He was controversial on MNF
because he was obnoxious.  He was controversial before that because he took
stands against (for example) racism at a time when the sports world was
run by people who considered themselves progressive for hardly ever using
the N word (they mostly said "Nigra" instead).

My (over)reaction to Berman's nicknames is that they use a man's name, the
center of his identity, to make a cheap joke.  I find that offensive.

I am a *great* ESPN fan.  Unhealthily many of my hours in the States are
spent in front of it.  And ESPN2, which seems to be more oriented to the
West Coast, is also good fun.  NHL 2nite is very good, and the talk show
is sometimes very good.

Steve

>'Saw, the most important controversies of Howard Cosell's career came when
>I was in college.  That would make you about five years old.  I'm talking
>about BEFORE Monday Night Football, which turned him from a reporter into
>a celebrity and went completely to his head.  He was controversial on MNF
>because he was obnoxious.  He was controversial before that because he took

Oh, so you don't think I was that sophisticated when I was 5 years old? 8^)

Seriously, I take your point...



>My (over)reaction to Berman's nicknames is that they use a man's name, the
>center of his identity, to make a cheap joke.  I find that offensive.

Well, I guess having a name like Francis, I'm used to folks poking fun at a
name.  When I was a kid I used to hate the name, but as I've grown up and
realized some things about a) who I was named after and b) not everyone is
stupid enough to forget the "i" and "e" thing, I've grown to like it quite
well.


>I am a *great* ESPN fan.  Unhealthily many of my hours in the States are
>spent in front of it.  And ESPN2, which seems to be more oriented to the
>West Coast, is also good fun.  NHL 2nite is very good, and the talk show
>is sometimes very good.

I'm not that big on the Deuce -- their coverage is good, but to me it's
kind of plastic.  That could be a West coast thing I don't know.  ;^)

    I don't see much of a comparison between Berman and Cosell.  The
    former, despite being left-handed (for which reason mainly 'Saw likes
    him) is very much an "in" guy, a guy who gets along.
    
    Cosell was always on the outside, didn't get along with many and held
    his own personal opinions on many subjects regardless of what anybody
    thought.  And his style said, if you don't agree with me it's simply
    because you're stupid or brainwashed.  
    
    Jump'n Joe Dugan like Cosell and that went a long way with me; Joe said
    Howard was generous and polite with the little people, a contrast to
    the majority in the business.  One of the people Joe was contrasting
    Howard to was Curt Gowdy.

>    
>    NYR   5  Ducks  1  Messier g 2a, Graves & Robitaille g a, Sillinger g
>    


Now THAT's a score that Claybone would like!!!!!

    
    	Looks like the Rangers limited out.  

    Anyone get the official final score from last night?
    

    Det 27-7

	Detriot(tm) 27, Chicago 7

    Thanks boys,
    
    		btw, how do you steel a closet?

    
    
    Det 27
    
    Morton  Short TD catch
    Sanders Medium TD Catch
    Moore 47 yd td Catch
    Hanson 2 FG's
    
    Chicago 7
    
    Smith short TD Run

Saturday:
MINNESOTA 27, cleveland 11
SAN DIEGO 28, arizona 25

Sunday:
PHILADELPHIA 20, dallas 17
buffalo 45, ST LOUIS 27
ATLANTA 19, new orleans 14
NEW ENGLAND 31, ny jets 28
CINCINNATI 16, chicago 10
detroit 24, HOUSTON 17
san francisco 31, CAROLINA 10
indianapolis 41, JACKSONVILLE 31
pittsburgh 29, OAKLAND 10
seattle 31, DENVER 27
NY GIANTS 20, washington 13
TAMPA BAY 13, green bay 10

College Football Playoffs:

I-AA
	marshall 25, MCNEESE ST 13
	MONTANA 70, stephen f. austin 14

	Montana (12-2) at Marshall (12-2) Dec. 16

II
	NORTH ALABAMA 27, pittsburgh st 7 (championship)

III
	Wisconsin-LaCrosse 36, Rowan 7 (championship, at Salem, Va)

>	MONTANA 70, stephen f. austin 14

How can Tom Osborne coach at Nebraska *AND* Montana?

    
    
    
      My cable went out with the B's up 4-1 in the third.  Gawd can these
    stiffs hold any type of lead.  Yea they won but 3 goals in the third
    period is gonna amount to lots of L's.
    
    Jerry

The Bowl season has begun...

The Toledo Rockets beat the Nevada Wolf Pack 40-37 in OVERTIME! 

The Rockets started out big but Nevada ended up kicking a field goal to
tie it at 34, forcing OT, using the system where one team gets the ball
at the 25 and a chance to score, then the other team gets it on the other
25, Toledo won the coin flip and they chose defense. Nevada kicked a FG.
The Rockets got the ball and handed it to their very good RB, Wasean
Tait, who ran it in on the 3rd play.

TTom

Saturday:
PITTSBURGH 41, new england 27
green bay 34, NEW ORLEANS 23

Sunday:
BUFFALO 23, miami 20
CLEVELAND 26, cincinnati 10
CHICAGO 31, tampa bay 10
PHILADELPHIA 21, arizona 20
washington 35, ST LOUIS 23
HOUSTON 23, ny jets 6
CAROLINA 21, atlanta 17
DETROIT 44, jacksonville 0
DALLAS 21, ny giants 20
KANSAS CITY 20, denver 17
san diego 27, INDIANAPOLIS 24
SEATTLE 44, oakland 10

    
    
      .500 at last.

Kansas 51, UCLA 30

Kansas 51, UCLA 30
Texas Tech 55, Air Force 41

The 2-and-oh crowd:

	BIGQ::MCKAY
	IMBETR::DUPREZ
	MKOTS3::SMILLER
	MSBCS::BRYDIE
	MYLIFE::MCCARTHY
	NETCAD::NISKALA
	ROCK::GRONOWSKI
	SHARE::DERRY
	TNPUBS::NAZZARO

TTom

As much as I hate to admit it, those two games were (I felt) the easy
pickin'...  The New Year's Day games will separate the woman from the
boys, I'll wager...

Are you going to continue posting the "-and-oh" crowd as it dwindles?

I'm working on the reports whilest we note.

However, there's only one game tonight to add to the list and then we
swing all the way to 1/2/96 by which time if'n some one is actually still
"-and-oh" we'll prolly have a winner afore the Fiesta.

TTom

    TTOM, since my picks have reached icon status I'd prefer if you would
    refer to me now as the prognosticator formerly known as IMJIMBO. 8*)
    
    The * and 0 list will last until new years day.
    
    Jimbo

>    TTOM, since my picks have reached icon status I'd prefer if you would
>    refer to me now as the prognosticator formerly known as IMJIMBO. 8*)
 
Allright, now it's really ugly.  You're even copying my p-name...
   
>    The * and 0 list will last until new years day.

Wow - bold prediction!  There's only *nine* of us right now.

Take a good look at what happens to the "* and 0 list" if A&M covers... :-)

    Wow I didn't even see that, I'm pro-choice on pname's!!!!
    
    Do we have all the same picks?
    
    A&M will not cover, they are an average at best team.
    
    Jimbo

    	If'n A&M covers, I'll be the  ONLY   * and 0  er!

>   <<< Note 51.941 by NETCAD::NISKALA "This IS the year for the Huskers!" >>>
>
>    	If'n A&M covers, I'll be the  ONLY   * and 0  er!

Kansas 51, UCLA 30
Texas Tech 55, Air Force 41
Texas A&M 22, Michigan 20

You said a mouthful there, pardner. Yessir folks we got us a lone ranger
in the now extremely elite if'n not unique status of "-and-oh".

TTom

I should head for the Crow Cafe.  I told TTom off-line that A&M had "a
snowball's chance in h-e-double hockey sticks" of covering.

Michigan looked flatter'n a pancake.

And I gave him some sage advice as "oh yeah".

Except for one long bomb, A&M's D dominated.

TTom

    
    	Interesting to note that the B's have played the fewest games out
    of everyone in the Eastern Conference, with a total of 34. Everyone
    else has played 37 or 38 games, the Rangers have played 42 games. You
    would think they could do a better job of scheduling. There is no
    reason for the Rangers to have played 8 games more then the Bruins at
    this point in time.
    
    Ron

Kansas 51, UCLA 30
Texas Tech 55, Air Force 41
Texas A&M 22, Michigan 20
Iowa 38, Washington 18
LSU 45, Michigan St 26
Kansas St 54, Colorado St 21
East Carolina 19, Stanford 13
No Carolina 20, Arkansas 10
Virginia 34, Georgia 27
Va Tech 28, Texas 10
Penn St 43, Auburn 14
Syracuse 41, Clemson 0
Tennessee 20, Ohio St 14
Colorado 38, Oregon 6
Southern Cal 41, Northwestern 32
Florida St 31, Notre Dame 26
Nebraska 62, Florida 24

USA Today CNN Coaches' Poll:		AP:
----------------------------		----------------------------
 1. Nebraska (62) 1,550			 1. Nebraska (62) 1,550
 2. Tennessee 1,438			 2. Florida 1,474
 3. Florida 1,434			 3. Tennessee 1,428
 4. Colorado 1,308			 4. Florida St 1,311
 5. Florida St 1,280			 5. Colorado 1,309
 6. Kansas St				 6. Ohio St
 7. Northwestern			 7. Kansas St
 8. Ohio St				 8. Northwestern
 9. Va Tech				 9. Kansas
10. Kansas				10. Va Tech
11. Southern Cal			11. Notre Dame
12. Penn St				12. Southern Cal
13. Notre Dame				13. Penn St
14. Texas				14. Texas
15. Texas A&M				15. Texas A&M
16. Syracuse				16. Virginia
17. Virginia				17. Michigan
18. Oregon				18. Oregon
19. Michigan				19. Syracuse
20. Texas Tech				20. Miami-FL
21. Auburn				21. Alabama
22. Iowa				22. Auburn
23. East Carolina			23. Texas Tech
24. Toledo				24. Toledo
25. LSU					25. Iowa

Note: as further evidence that some of these guys should have (a) their
licenses to vote taken revoked and (2) their head examined, East Carolina
didn't even make it in the Top 25 even though they finished 9-3 and won
their bowl game.

TTom

Besides the fact that they beat ranked Va. Tech and Syracuse...

Wail, I just found another poll.

It's the "USA TODAY/HALL OF FAME POLL"

It has East Carolina ranked 23. Nebraska, Florida, Tennessee as 1,2,3.

LSU is the loser being unranked even though they spanked their opponent
while Washington is in even though they was the spankee.

Now, lest we think these people know anthing, they had Wuerffel (I'll
keep changing the spelling 'til I get it right) as the Player of the
Year. I guess they don't consider getting drubbed in the Fiesta afore
voting or that the real POY led the drub.

TTom

    As the Bruins slowly and surely move toward Montreal.  Don't I truly
    have until the end of January or the next OPP for this to happen 'Saw.
    
    Given that a rereading of your "bet" actually said they have to have
    sole possession of second.
    
    Bet or no bet my point of November has been made.  Come January they
    start to pull away, albeit not a threat to Pittsburgh.  Actually
    they've never been much of a threat to any of the really good teams.
    The B's have done it for 15 years on forechecking and backchecking. 
    They should address the goalie problem though.

Saturday:
PITTSBURGH 40, buffalo 21
green bay 27, SAN FRANCISCO 17

Sunday:
DALLAS 30, philadelphia 11
indianapolis 10, KANSAS CITY 7

    
    So how many shutouts has the "blizzard of '96" recorded so far this
    year?
    
    

>    As the Bruins slowly and surely move toward Montreal.  Don't I truly
>    have until the end of January or the next OPP for this to happen 'Saw.

No.  I said by the first of the year.  The bet was a beer or other drink of
choice at our next get together.

    
>    
>    Bet or no bet my point of November has been made.  Come January they
>    start to pull away, albeit not a threat to Pittsburgh.  Actually
>    they've never been much of a threat to any of the really good teams.
>    The B's have done it for 15 years on forechecking and backchecking. 
>    They should address the goalie problem though.
>

The Bruins ONLY beat the Whalers.  Only the Whalers could screw up so much with
the talent they have.


Further, Kasper is looking more and more like the a__hole that he is for
benching Neely and Stevens.  The Hartford Courant, RARELY pro-Bruins in any
way, shape or form, blasted Kasper on his actions, and the sheer gutlessness he
showed by doing it when they didn't have practice the next day.

Kasper is a bozo.


'Saw

    No you didn't say first of the year but I now do agree that they have
    have to get to a tie for second.
    \
    As to the date it wasn't specific but my original note had a title of
    "file this till 15-Jan" which is a week away.  I don't have a schedule
    so on the morning of 15-Jan-1996 if the marvelous Ms Derry (who's
    making a strong run to win the playoff pool on top of everything else)
    posts the standings as usual we can put fini to the "bet".
    
    If the Bruins are "higher" than third I win, if not you win.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I really enjoy watching the mod
and faux mod trying to out-weasel each other on this Bruins wager.

>
>I don't know about the rest of you, but I really enjoy watching the mod
>and faux mod trying to out-weasel each other on this Bruins wager.
>

Yeah, this is like the "shifting sands of time" bet here....  


Alright, I'll bite on this one:  I'll go to January 15th.  


Lest there be no doubt:


	If, on the morning of 15 January, 1996, the Bruins are in sole
	possession of 2nd place in their division in the NHL, I'll buy
	Bill Breen a libation of his choice at the next get-together that
	we go to.

	If, on the morning of 15 January, 1996, the Bruins are lower than
	2nd place, Bill buys me a drink....


If the "spirit of the bet" is not honored, it's considered a welch.  8^)



'Saw

yabbut, what if da broons are tied for 2nd?

>
>yabbut, what if da broons are tied for 2nd?
>

I win.

Bill's bet was SOLE possession.


'Saw

The Bruins can beat up on a team like the Flounders, but I agree with Karen.
No way to they pull 5 points of a possible six in the next three games.

Kasper can't tie his shoes and chew gum at the same time, let alone coach this
team to victory that much....


'Saw

    
    	After the lose about 8-0 to the Avalance tonight it isn't going to
    matter.
    
    Ron

    Tie goes to me.  'Saw's bet from his perspective was "no higher than
    3rd".  Tied for second is higher than third.  And his original terms
    simply said at the OPP > 1-Jan.  I the big hearted guy I am compromised
    on 15-jan because my original statement had that in the title.
    
    I see no problem beating the Avalanche tonight after they've been
    snowbound in beantown for two days and Roy is back in Denver.
    Flounders???
    
    I will attach the two pertinent notes for Roland and others perusal to
    prove I'm right.  If this comes to a trial I want George as my lawyer.
    
    
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    Just out of curiousity, come January when the Bruins close in on first
    place in the division (unless the 'guins run away and hide which I
    doubt) will that be enough to find you guys in the crow file?
    
    Or will the response be, he has to do it in the playoffs , he still
    sips.

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>
>    Just out of curiousity, come January when the Bruins close in on first
>    place in the division (unless the 'guins run away and hide which I
>    doubt) will that be enough to find you guys in the crow file?
>    


I'll bet you, for amusement purposes, my friend, a beer, or whatever libation
you'll be drinking at whatever get together we have after Jan 1st, that the
Bruins will be no higher than 3rd place in their division.


>
>    Or will the response be, he has to do it in the playoffs , he still
>    sips.
>

He's supposedly a hockey coach, eh?  Then how come he can't do as well as the
guy who worked in a brewery and is now a coach.....8^)

>I'll bet you, for amusement purposes, my friend, a beer, or whatever libation
>you'll be drinking at whatever get together we have after Jan 1st, that the
>Bruins will be no higher than 3rd place in their division.

Billte is right in that a tie for 2nd goes to him.

However, based on the above transcript, I'd say the bet was based on the games
through January 1st.

For instance, if the next get-together was January 2nd, the loser would have
had to pay then.

If that logic doesn't hold with you, then the end to this bet could conceivably
slide out through the games of the night before the next get-together - I see
no way of determining an alternative, concrete date.

January 15th is an arbitrary date that should only be considered official if
both parties agree (it appears they have).

I think the Dayton Peace accord was arrived at easier than the terms of this
damned bet.


I'll tell you what Bill.  I'll make this really easy.  How bout I just buy you
a drink next get together!


Serves me right for bettin' in the firsted place...8^)


'Saw

    Roland, you are right in that 'Saw's bet sentence was open ended.  I
    truly have until the next Opp to wend my way to a tie for second.  But
    since my note title specified 15-jan (ie check the standings 15-jan and
    you will see the Bruins in their usual place) I'll end it there.
    
    The fly in the ointment was the Fleet schedule which idled the B's
    while the rest were playing.  So regardless, for fairness sake the
    comparison should take into account games in hand which it looks like
    will be even come next Tuesday morning.

    
    Saw,
    
    	Just make the next get together this Friday. The B's don't play
    enough games to get to 2nd place.
    
    Ron

>Roland consider ALL the evidence

I considered all the evidence you gave me.  This is just like a courtroom.
It's up to the lawyer to provide the evidence - it's not up to the judge to
dig it up.  I worked off of the two replies you provided.

Now stop whining!

(I'm thinking of growing one of those Ito-beards...)

And another thing - you not checking the Fleet schedule is your own problem.
The law has to do with rules, not fairness.  "Games in hand" was not part of
the bet criteria, so that criterion is moot.

    Who made you judge Roland, I consider you the lawyer for the Conneticut
    side.  I want Maiewski for my lawyer, where are you George.  Even if he
    can't get me "tie and tuesday" he should be able to severely muddle
    this thing or work in another technicality.
    
    I need a judge who is totally and completely impartial, with a command
    of the English language, powers of deliberation and an understanding of
    sport.  Granted, faint hope of finding such a being in this note.
    
    Even Derry seems to be siding with the Hartford side.  I don't trust
    Waugamain either.  
    
    And we'd better get this panel going quick since the Avalanche can make
    this all moot tonight.

I'm not a lawyer for either of you weenies.  You're both a couple of 
weasels.

>I need a judge who is totally and completely impartial

If you got one, you'd still be whining.  I'd be good because I have complete
and utter contempt for both of your positions.

  Motion to suppress!!! We're also filing a motion precluding the Bruins from
losing any more games this season!!! We want to freeze all Harry Sindon's
assets and want a restraining order prohibiting any New Jersey teams from
coming within 100 miles of Boston.

  We're asking for a summary judgment to dismiss all motions pertaining to
January 1st, we want child support for weeping athletes and council fees paid
in beer.

  Tomorrow we start discovery. We're filing subpoena to take depositions from
anyone who's entered notes in this string. We want all documents, computer
files, post-it notes, telephone bills, and dirty socks from the defendants
and we want them all in triplicate.

  MY CLIENT WILL GET THE JUSTICE HE DESERVES!!!!!
  George

>dirty socks from the defendants
>and we want them all in triplicate.

Obfuscation.  Dirty socks come in pairs...

>MY CLIENT WILL GET THE JUSTICE HE DESERVES!

Then you're not doing your job... :-)

    Now that's lawyering George and don't forget clean briefs.  What if the
    defendant gets into a car accident on the way to court.
    
    But check the language of the original contract.  Couldn't you do
    wonders with that.  What gets me is these guys have poor Kaspar pitched
    as the 8th Eddie Johnston of the world after 15 games and finally as I
    predicted they start winning and the pace of the Kasper baiting doesn't
    decrease but gets worse.
    
    Finally Kaspar takes their advice to get tough and my advice to start
    with Neely and they cream him for making the prima donna cry.

  Oh yes, the original contract. If it works to our advantage we will certainly
use it in due course. But that's much later. These types of cases usually go at
least a year for discovery then another year or so to get on the docket. 

  Unless, of course you want to settle and get on with your life. 

  By the way, in case we do go to court do you have any kids that clean up real
nice? If not no problem, I know someone who can provide us with a few ankle
biters real cheap.

  And remember to limp. Juries love plaintiffs that limp. It's more important
than the contract itself.

  George 

    
    
    
     Billington was at it again 9 shots 3 goals.  Man if I hit like that
    I'd still be playing ball.
    
    
    Jerry

Alla you lawyer shmucks, go take a hike.

This is between me and Bill and we'll settle it the old fashioned way.  Between
ourselves, like men.

Quite honestly, the INTENT of my bet was January 1st.  An errant comma, and a
sentence of ambiguous meaning were interpreted by Bill to be an open-ended bet,
when I intended it to mean that the bet *payoff* would be open-ended.

At any rate, Bill and I have AMICABLY settled on January 15th.  And even if I
win, I'll probably declare the bet "served" without payment anyway, cause
that's the kind of guy I am.

So why don't you lawyer guys go argue about whether or not the heart-attack
that killed Grinkov was caused by the same guy who got Don Drysdale behind a
locked hotel room door, and who was probably hired by Scott "Tinkerbell"
Hamilton....


'Saw

    Oops, strike that "games in hand" note.  I will graciously honor the
    intent of the original bet and whatever the standings are next Tuesday
    morning will be it, tie for second goes to me.
    
    We don't need no lawyers, they've already split over a six-pack and
    probably would want mileage to the OPP.
    
    And I insist on buying that Wicked-Sam-Adams-Rolling-Rock
    hearty,pale,amber lager that a beer aficionado like yourselves so
    richly deserve.
    
    Meanwhile I need the Colts to beat the spread Sunday or Waugamain gets
    lunch at Applebees.

Aw hell Bill, I'd buy you a beer just cause you were in the Corps. 

I have so many friends/relatives that were devil-dogs, I make myself mighty
scarce on November 10.


8^)

Wail, I aint in on this bet and I shore weren't in the corps. 

But I'll drink a beer for the both of you.

TTom

>    Bruins 7  Ducks   2  Elik & Oates g 3a, Neely 2g a, Sweeney g a


If the NHL standings had a column for goal difference, this would help
Bill.

The Twit Kasper is probably going to claim credit for Neely's two goals.

    so how many games does the B's and Habs have until Monday - Karen you
    got the next weeks schedule handy?

    The Bruins (40 pts) play the DEVILS tomorrow and the Canucks on the
    15th but you aren't counting that game because the standings go in on
    Monday morning not Tuesday.  Correct?
    
    Montreal (43 pts) plays at PittsburgH tonight and the Blues tomorrow.
    Buffalo (39 pts) plays at the Flames tonight and at the Oilers
    tomorrow.
    
    Looks like you're buying Frank's choice of libation but I'll buy you
    one to make up for it.

>    Looks like you're buying Frank's choice of libation but 
>    I'll buy you one to make up for it.

	Oh sure, like you'll show up at a Git Tagether?!



	billl

OK, if I've followed this soap opera attentively enough, Bill Breen now owes
the Chainsaw a draught of his choice.  But Karen is going to make up for it
and buy Bill a round, that is, if she ever shows up at a Get Together.  And
if she does, Bill Long will have a coronary.

All right, just to make it interesting:  if I ever make it to another Get
Together (best bet now is Spring 1997), I'll buy Karen a drink.  And then
Frank can buy me a drink, and that will settle this affair, 18 months after
it got started.  Fair enough?

Steve

I think you have it just about right.

And it sounds like a fine way to settle this whole thing.  And the 18 months
part of it lends a slight air of antiquity to the proceedings.

Imagine if you will, this bet taking place in the 18th century.  Why, the mail
would have been slow, and the newspapers perhaps even slower.  Steve would take
a full 60 days to travel to the colonies by square-rigger, and the 18 month
time spen to resolve the entire affair would have been commonplace.


Of course, I'd probably look like s__t in a powered wig!


'Saw

>Of course, I'd probably look like s__t in a powered wig!

Does a powered wig make your head move faster?  :-)

And my ship would probably sink on the way over, or be attacked by pirates
and all passengers would have to walk the plank, or be attacked by the
British Navy and all passengers impressed into service.

But if I did make it over alive, I could tell you about the very impressive
young musician from Salzburg, whose Idomeneo had just premiered at the Court
Opera House, or his teacher Haydn, who seems to falling into disfavor with
his employers, the House of Esterhazy, but has had considerable success
performing his works for the (German speaking) king in your mother country
(not knowing, perhaps, what is brewing in your minds about king and mother
country!).

Do keep in mind that I live in Bavaria, not Hesse, which is shortly to sell
a goodly number of soldiers to the service of that king, the upshot of
which will be that many will settle in the new nation after the war.
Bavarians, on the other hand, will retain loyalty to their (brain damaged)
royalty at least til the brink of the 21st Century!

Steve

The Engineer Formerly Known As Roland
^   ^        ^        ^     ^  ^

A friend of mine has taken to calling Prince TAFKAP, which he claims is the
pronunciation of the unpronouncable symbol.  Sounds good to me.

BTW Roland, the first time I saw your current p_name, I cracked up completely.

Steve

>    Canucks 6  Bruins 0  Mogilny g 2a, Courtnall & Lumme g a, Gelinas g


hahhahahahahahahaha....

I guess the Genius Kasper must've had a GREAT game plan for this one....

Karen, that's some great Bruins news!

What?   Yes, I know they didn't play.  That's the GOOD NEWS.

No chance for the Twit to screw up another one!!!!!1

>    Bruins   3  Ottawa   1  Stumpel & McEachern g a, Oates g, Daigle g


This is no surprise.  All season Kasper has shown that he can win the easy
ones.  It's the ones against teams that are good, but beatable (Rangers,
Montreal) where Kasper is so miserably inept....


'Saw

>This is no surprise.  All season Kasper has shown that he can win the easy
>ones.  It's the ones against teams that are good, but beatable (Rangers,
>Montreal) where Kasper is so miserably inept....

In fairness, there is a considerable distance from the Rangers to the Habs.
Montreal is floating around .500, while New York has the best record in
the Eastern Conference.

I've only seen the Bruins once this season so far, but I honestly don't
see how you expect any coach to win with that lineup.  If they actually
make the playoffs, I'd call him the coach of the year.

Steve

>
>I've only seen the Bruins once this season so far, but I honestly don't
>see how you expect any coach to win with that lineup.  If they actually
>make the playoffs, I'd call him the coach of the year.
>

Steve, I'll chalk this one up to you only having seen the Bruins once.

If Kasper has done anything this year worthy of anyone even dropping his
name on the same city block where the CoY meetings are taking place, I'll
bend over, drop my drawers and sing "Vesti La Giubba" from Pagliacci
out my a____le.


He's taken a team that used to hit, use to be agressive on defense, used to
have a spark, and turned them into the most lackluster of lacklusters.
There is NO fire on this team, and the most telling fact is that last year they
were #1 in penalty killing, this year they are #21.  Their power play sucks,
and if you watch The Twit on the bench he hasn't got a clue.

I've seen these guys, and I'm telling you, PeeWee Herman could get more out
of this team than The Twit....


Steve Kasper is clearly the worst coach I've ever seen in the game of hockey.
CLEARLY.


'Saw