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Title:Sports 93-96 Archive. No new notes allowed
Notice:Chainsaw's last standSPORTS_97
Moderator:HBAHBA::HAAS
Created:Mon Jan 11 1993
Last Modified:Tue Apr 15 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:302
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38.0. "Detroit Tigers " by ROYALT::ASHE (Be a team player...) Mon Jan 11 1993 19:25

    This note is for the Detriot (tm) Tigers.
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38.1SALEM::TIMMONSWhere's Waldo?Mon Mar 15 1993 09:483
    Walt, what do you think of Kirk Gibson being back on the Tigers?
    
    Lee
38.2ROYALT::ASHET. Kennedy: Good senator, bad dateTue Mar 16 1993 02:042
    Kirk who?  I'll worry if he travels north...
    
38.3Still waiting for the first clubhouse blowup...NAC::G_WAUGAMANTue Mar 16 1993 12:0910
    
    > Kirk who?  I'll worry if he travels north...
    
    He says his legs are as healthy as they've been in five years, and he's
    already hit 2 HRs so far.  He'll make the team if he doesn't fall apart
    physically.  You don't make a desperation public relations move like
    this one and not follow up on it...
    
    glenn
    
38.4ROYALT::ASHET. Kennedy: Good senator, bad dateTue Mar 16 1993 19:164
    I can't see him making it unless Trammell winds up in CF.  They have
    too many infielders otherwise between Phillips, Livingstone, Trammell,
    Whitaker and Fryman.  Would like to see Brogna get a shot before Kirk.
    
38.5Can he hold up and play some OF? Might be the key...NAC::G_WAUGAMANTue Mar 16 1993 19:5618
    > I can't see him making it unless Trammell winds up in CF.  They have
    > too many infielders otherwise between Phillips, Livingstone, Trammell,
    > Whitaker and Fryman.  Would like to see Brogna get a shot before Kirk.
    
    I agree that the signing didn't make much sense considering the Tigers'
    current needs and strengths.  So why'd they do it?  I'd be worried about 
    that PR factor.  However, *if* he can make a reasonable physical comeback
    (and he's stolen a couple of bases in addition to those HRs-- Gibson
    never did exercise any restraint, exhibition game or not), I'd probably 
    still rather have Gibson's bat in the lineup than Dan Gladden's, and
    Gibson was out in left field in the game against the Sox yesterday.
    
    Brogna looks like he might be a little weak with the stick for a 
    1B/DH-only type...
    
    glenn
       
38.6ROYALT::ASHEWill u b there when I feed the tree...Mon Apr 19 1993 04:172
    Tigers have won 5 in a row... are averaging 11 runs/game...
    
38.7Tigers are 2-0 when they score 20 runs or more!AXIS::ROBICHAUDComeToMiami-AndGiveUsYourMoney!Tue Apr 20 1993 01:100
38.8Bet that streak will be broken before the end of the season :-)PLUGH::NEEDLEMoney talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!"Tue Apr 20 1993 02:060
38.9SALEM::TIMMONSA waist is a terrible thing to mindMon Apr 26 1993 10:5712
    Tigers completed a 3 game sweep of the Twins, 16-5.  For the 3 games,
    Detroit plated 45, the Twins 10. The Tigers have won 10 of their last
    11 games.
    
    Yeah, I know it's early, but with so many writers picking them for last
    place this year, it's kinda nice to see them on top at this time, and
    creaming the ball.  They're averaging over 8 runs per game.  Tony
    Phillips is leading the Majors with a .418 average.
    
    Parade in May.
    
    Lee
38.10ROYALT::ASHEDet. Teamsters:92-93 DEChoop champsWed Apr 28 1993 16:504
    And their pitching is better over last year.  Hitting will cool off,
    but if they can get consistent pitching, they'll be more competitive.
    Maybe not first, but not 6th or 7th....
    
38.11Cecil's heating up now...ROYALT::ASHETell your ma, I moved to Arkansas...Wed Jun 16 1993 15:113
    June 16th and we're still there...  still getting consistent pitching.
    Oh, it's not the all-star break yet... I can turn back over and go
    to sleep...
38.12SALEM::TIMMONSA waist is a terrible thing to mindWed Jun 16 1993 17:0623
    Yep, 'ole Cec is getting hot.  Two dingers last night, and I believe I
    read that he's got 26 RBI's in his last 16 games. (Prior to last night)
    
    Wonder if there's been a lineup change whereby he's getting better
    pitches to hit, or are the opposing pitchers finally realizing that
    just about anyone in that lineup can hit it out?
    
    On another note, last night I took just a short drive and had Jimmie
    Myers on.  He was interviewing some old-time pitcher.  I didn't hear
    the name, but I believe he had at one time pitched for Cincinatti.  He
    played during the Babe's career.
    
    Anyway, he was asked about changing managers and his answer was that
    you had to have the horses first.  No players, then no manager could
    win.  He said the Cinci team he was on was so bad, that he'll always
    remember in one game where the Reds got 1 run and the lead in the early
    innings, and one of his fellow players told him:  "We'll, there's your
    run.  You're on your own now."  :*)  He laughed about it, but it
    reminded me of the present Sox.
    
    Lee
    
    
38.13ROYALT::ASHEStill looking for that bluejean baby queenWed Jun 23 1993 17:403
    Tighers blew one lasted night.  Knocked Mussina out, up 7-2 and they
    gagged on it.  Not good, considering 19 of the next 23 are on the road.
    
38.14SALEM::TIMMONSA waist is a terrible thing to mindWed Jun 23 1993 18:253
    Right, not good, but they do have the 3rd best away record in MLB.
    
    Lee
38.15SALEM::TIMMONSA waist is a terrible thing to mindMon Jun 28 1993 10:505
    Re .14
    
    Make that "had".  :*(
    
    Lee
38.16ROYALT::ASHESTOP! You're bendin' the shafts!!!Mon Jun 28 1993 13:482
    Lonnnnnnnnggggggg  weekend... sigh...
    
38.17MKFSA::LONGLife's a dance, you learn as you goMon Jun 28 1993 15:064
	Glad it wasn't just me.


	billl
38.18ROYALT::ASHESTOP! You're bendin' the shafts!!!Mon Jun 28 1993 15:112
    YOu have a long weekend every weekend...
    
38.19ROYALT::ASHENever have to lift the seat, no one here but menFri Jul 02 1993 17:211
    Here's hoping they snap out of it soon....
38.20Tigers win one for SPARKYCSC32::GULDENSat Jul 03 1993 12:597
    They snapped out of the losing streak in Tiger fashion.
    After being hitless from the second Phillips singled to lead off the
    8th, Gladden singled to third, Fryman doubled to score 2 the
    Cecil homered off the roof in left. TIE game. Then in the 10th
    Cecil walked and Tettleton homered to win 6-4. 
    
    Wes
38.21SALEM::TIMMONSA waist is a terrible thing to mindTue Jul 06 1993 10:496
    Hey Wes, where've you been?  Glad to see you're still around.
    
    Tigers lost again last night.  If this keeps up, we'll only have Cecil
    to watch, for HR's and RBI's.
    
    Lee
38.22Cecil has become one of the game's great figures...NAC::G_WAUGAMANThu Jul 08 1993 17:0813
    Nice historical perspective piece on Cecil Fielder in today's Globe by
    Boston's best sportswriter, Bob Ryan.  The article stems from Fielder's
    monumental 485 ft. blast onto the Tiger Stadium leftfield roof last
    Friday night.  What other Boston columnist would just up and decide to 
    write a commentary on Fielder, comparing him to the great slugging 
    behemoths of the past (much less be at home on a Friday night watching 
    Detroit-Texas on ESPN!)?  And the article is not cheapened by the usual
    obligatory slams at the current Red Sox or modern baseball players, but 
    is pure baseball...
    
    glenn
    
38.23ROYALT::ASHEI like mine with french fried potatoesMon Jul 19 1993 17:227
    Well, it's the all-star break.  I don't see the Tigers winning it
    unless they get 1) Greg Harris from San Diego to sure up the middle
    relief and 2) a decent starting pitcher.  Maybe that comes from the
    guys they've called up, but guys like Moore and Wells don't appear to
    be putting up the numbers they did the first half.  All it takes is
    one hot stretch to take this and most of their extended road trip is
    done.  Cautiously optimistic.  Not feeling this is destiny...
38.24PATE::MACNEALruck `n' rollMon Jul 19 1993 17:233
    Red Sox have plenty of middle relief help and need some offense. 
    Detroit has plenty of offense and need some pitching.  Question is,
    will there be a deal between 2 teams fighting for the AL East?
38.25METSNY::francusMets in '93Mon Jul 19 1993 17:273
thanks Mac, I needed that laugh.

The Crazy Met
38.26PATE::MACNEALruck `n' rollMon Jul 19 1993 17:295
    What's so funny?  The Sox have one of the best pitching staffs in
    baseball, an anemic offense and are going to have to make some roster
    moves soon with guys like Calderon, Melendez, and Naehring coming off
    the DL.  The Tigers have one of the most potent offenses in baseball
    and lack some pitching.
38.27METSNY::francusMets in '93Mon Jul 19 1993 17:315
Not the analysis Mac, the idea that teams in the AL East would trade
in the middle of a pennant race; especially when they might be able
to get help elsewhere.

The Crazy Met
38.28ROYALT::ASHEI like mine with french fried potatoesMon Jul 19 1993 17:341
    Won't happen...
38.29There's little logic to this...NAC::G_WAUGAMANMon Jul 19 1993 18:3715
> Not the analysis Mac, the idea that teams in the AL East would trade
> in the middle of a pennant race; especially when they might be able
> to get help elsewhere.
    
    If either team had any guts, they would.  If you think you're making a
    good trade, strengthening your team as much as the opponents', you go
    ahead and make a trade in the division, especially if it's strictly a
    shortterm thing where everyone's full hand is on the table (veterans
    for veterans).  Unfortunately, your average gutless baseball man who is
    more worried about looking bad than fixing his team's problems refuses
    to make such a deal, citing this ridiculous unwritten "rule". 
    
    glenn
    
38.30"?yrrow em, tahW"SALEM::TIMMONSA waist is a terrible thing to mindMon Jul 19 1993 18:4912
Walt, this is a very strange season in the AL East.  Seems like the whole season so far 
has been a series of streaks, both hot and cold.

Tigers have, and the BoSox, now the Jays, too.  The Orioles had their cold spell earlier.

I can't recall seeing so many teams in one division experiencing such manic swings in their 
won/loss columns.

I haven't paid that much attention to the other div, or the NL.  Are they also going thru such
strange behavior?

Lee
38.31METSNY::francusMets in '93Mon Jul 19 1993 18:563
AL West in 1990 had teams doing the hot/cold routine often.

The Crazy Met
38.32ROYALT::ASHEI like mine with french fried potatoesMon Jul 19 1993 19:185
    If you make a deal to another team and that team wins the pennant, your
    job is toast.  No way they do it.    
    
    AL west this year has been streaky too. KC (start) and Texas come
    to mind at first...
38.33Why would Detroit turn away pitching from any source?NAC::G_WAUGAMANMon Jul 19 1993 19:3618
            
    > If you make a deal to another team and that team wins the pennant, your
    > job is toast.  No way they do it.    
    
    And the same *should* happen if you do nothing when you have a chance 
    and the other teams wins it.  In this case, I don't think either one 
    of these teams has a great chance to win the division this season with 
    what they've got right now, so fear should not be the motivating factor.  
    I think that Toronto, Baltimore, and New York are the clear favorites.  
    However, I believe that the Red Sox stand a much better chance of 
    filling their needs outside the division than the Tigers do, because 
    pitching is such a scarce resource.  If the Tigers would absolutely 
    refuse to deal, say, a Rob Deer for a Jose Melendez/John Dopson package,
    it would hurt them more than the Red Sox.  The Red Sox currently 
    possess the scarcer resource.  
    
    glenn
    
38.34METSNY::francusMets in '93Mon Jul 19 1993 19:434
Glenn, we all agree that logically the Red Sox and Tigers have the right
players for a trade. But you have to forget about logic in this case.

The Crazy Met
38.35MSBCS::BRYDIEI need somebody to shove!Mon Jul 19 1993 20:005
   I'm with cousin Walt. If you trade within your division and the player
  you trade helps the other team win the pennant not only should your job
  be toast but you should be beaten about the face and neck with a large
  mackerel.  
38.36METSNY::francusMets in '93Mon Jul 19 1993 20:033
Tommy, you're being much too lenient. What happened, vacation mellowed you??

The Crazy Met
38.37ROYALT::ASHEI like mine with french fried potatoesMon Jul 19 1993 20:068
    What does Melendez give you that Greg Harris (SDP) doesn't?
    
    8-9, ERA around 4.  has been starting this year but can cume out
    of the pen.
    
    Melendez has been hurt, Dopson hasn't proven he can pitch a whole
    season.  7-5, 4.24 ERA... about 10th on their staff.   And why
    give up a Deer when you can give up your #3 catcher?
38.38Trades not for the weak of heart...NAC::G_WAUGAMANMon Jul 19 1993 20:2532
    > What does Melendez give you that Greg Harris (SDP) doesn't?
    
    Who are you going to give up for Greg Harris (SDP)?  Who's
    the #3 catcher?  Rowland?  How old is that guy, anyway?  Seems like
    he's been a "prospect" forever, but I suppose if San Diego likes him
    that much...
                                                                   
    > Melendez has been hurt, Dopson hasn't proven he can pitch a whole
    > season.  7-5, 4.24 ERA... about 10th on their staff.   And why
    > give up a Deer when you can give up your #3 catcher?

    What's the alternative for the Tigers to get a decent starting pitcher?  
    Are they going to go after the big stakes with Tim Belcher or Denny 
    Martinez?  Are they going to trade their own young pitching (which is 
    what those teams that have fallen out of the race want)?  I think not.  
    Would Dopson *and* Melendez help them?  I think so.  I only picked Deer 
    because he seemed to be a guy whose HR bat and glove in RF could help 
    the Sox some, but who hasn't done much at all for the Tigers.  
    
    I think Lou Gorman should be slapped around with a mackerel if he makes
    *no* moves, inside or outside of the division, when he's overloaded
    with pitching (a short term strength).  I wouldn't give any young
    kids to a team in the division that'll beat me for 10 years after my
    player has retired, but I wouldn't worry about being embarrassed by
    veterans for one season when I'm a longshot in the short term anyway.  
    It's called having some guts, a category which Lou doesn't lead the 
    league in.  Among others, Pat Gillick dealt within the AL East and came 
    up roses on a couple of occasions...
    
    glenn
    
38.39ROYALT::ASHEI like mine with french fried potatoesMon Jul 19 1993 20:436
    Rowland?  Not sure how old he is, but that's the rumor...
    They won't trade for a Denny Martinez or Belcher.  Did it in the past
    to get Alexander, but it cost them Smoltz.  Did it for Fred Lynn and
    cost them Hoiles.  They could do it again, but they'd get heat for
    it.  They could unload a Deer or Gladden or Cuyler, but they won't
    do it to Boston.
38.40Tigers afraid to move a Dan Gladden to Boston? C'mon...NAC::G_WAUGAMANMon Jul 19 1993 21:1127
    > They could unload a Deer or Gladden or Cuyler, but they won't
    > do it to Boston.
      
    Well, that's logic that I would have to disagree with (if that's
    Detroit's thinking) for the following reasons:
    
    1) None of these players is likely to make much of an impact; only Deer
       would even have a chance
    
    2) Detroit would get pitching on the cheap because only Boston in the
       entire major leagues could be interested in such average position 
       players for starting pitching  
    
    3) Detroit needs to worry more about strengthening themselves to beat
       out Toronto, New York, and Baltimore from up top than how much a bit 
       player might help weaker Boston down below
    
    
    Like I said before, such a deal would hurt Boston's chances more than
    it would hurt Detroit's.  I greatly respect Detroit's lineup, and one
    more starter, even a John Dopson, would go a long way.  Frank Viola
    would win 18-20 games for that team just by showing up.  In Boston, he
    struggles a bit, gives up 3 runs and it's another "L"...
    
    glenn
     
38.41ROYALT::ASHEI like mine with french fried potatoesMon Jul 19 1993 22:452
    I didn't say it wouldn't make sense.  I'm saying they wouldn't do it
    for that reason.  
38.42I'd like to see Deer in right; and taking shots at the WallNAC::G_WAUGAMANWed Jul 21 1993 13:2317
    > I didn't say it wouldn't make sense.  I'm saying they wouldn't do it
    > for that reason.  
    
    This morning's Globe reports that the Tigers are trying to move the guy
    I liked, Rob Deer, to the Red Sox.  Sparky is quoted as saying "If you
    think it's going to help you, fine.  Even if it's in your own
    division-- what's the difference as long as it helps both teams?"  You
    gotta have more confidence in your management, Walt!  Eminently
    sensible.  Better for the Tigers to get ahold of some pitching before
    the Sox deal it away for Bip Roberts or Shane Mack or other players
    that might help them even more than Deer.
    
    I think that smart-aleck TCM owes an apology to Big Mac... ;-)
    
    glenn
    
38.43ROYALT::ASHEI like mine with french fried potatoesWed Jul 21 1993 13:442
    They're getting better. They did fire Bo.  They did try to get better
    pitching.
38.44METSNY::francusMets in '93Wed Jul 21 1993 14:214
Glenn, first lets see a Tigers-Red Sox trade happen.

The Crazy Met

38.45Probably not going to happen because of Lou, not Sparky/et alNAC::G_WAUGAMANWed Jul 21 1993 15:438
    
> Glenn, first lets see a Tigers-Red Sox trade happen.
    
    Geez, TCM, that's a pretty strict pre-condition to not getting laughed
    out of SPORTSnotes for initiating a discussion...  ;-)
    
    glenn
    
38.46METSNY::francusMets in '93Wed Jul 21 1993 17:443
ANd I thought .27 clarified things. silly me.

The Crazy Met
38.47CSC32::GULDENFri Jul 23 1993 03:1310
       Well I don't think Greg Harris will make any difference. The whole
    pitching staff has become very shakey. The offense is not doing much
    lately either.
    
       Gibson is now in CF replacing Cuyler and Fryman was moved to 3rd
    because he was making too many errors. (20 as of 7-21). Trammell
    is at SS. It seems they started to cool off after Whitaker was injured.
    
    
    Wes
38.48SALEM::TIMMONSA waist is a terrible thing to mindFri Jul 23 1993 11:1011
    Well, they've sure played a lot better than was predicted by most
    writers before the season.  Mainly because of the pitching, I'd say,
    which is now the main problem.
    
    Darryl was giving me wise cracks daily about David Wells.  In now
    appears that Wells is now back to performing at what was his expected
    level of competence.
    
    Anyway, only a couple of games out in the loss column.  Never say die.
    
    Lee
38.49We are talking Greg Harris (SDP) here, right?NAC::G_WAUGAMANFri Jul 23 1993 13:478
    
>       Well I don't think Greg Harris will make any difference. 
    
    In spite of Peter Gammons' "rumor", apparently the Pads said forget 
    Rich Rowland because he's not a competent defensive catcher.
    
    glenn
    
38.50ROYALT::ASHENoone loves me but my mother...Mon Aug 09 1993 15:055
    At least we knocked of the Sox 2 of 3 and hammered Roger a little.
    Can't be real disappointed yet because this about where they were
    supposed to finish.  The first half showed a lot of promise though.
    
    
38.511st series win in over a monthCSC32::GULDENTue Aug 10 1993 00:326
     It was their first series win since the first week of July against 
    Minnesota (Jul 2-4 ?). I was suprised to see Bolton pitch so strong.
    He hasn't impressed me much. Tonight Moore pitches. He has won his
    last 3 and has pitched like they expected when they signed him.
    
    Wes 
38.52ROYALT::ASHENoone loves me but my mother...Wed Aug 11 1993 15:312
    Anyone know how long Wells is out for?
    
38.53CAM3::WAYSweet Home ChicagoWed Aug 11 1993 16:125
>    Anyone know how long Wells is out for?

Till Dawn, I think....
    

38.54CTHQ::MCCULLOUGHMelanie is one year old!!!Wed Aug 11 1993 16:405
38.55MPGS::MCCARTHYMike McCarthy SHR3-2/W1 237-2468Wed Aug 11 1993 17:103
    I heard 15 day DL, retro to August 1.
    
    Mike
38.56ROYALT::ASHENoone loves me but my mother...Wed Aug 11 1993 17:172
    I was Thurston for that info, Saw... thanks...
    
38.57CTHQ::MCCULLOUGHMelanie is one year old!!!Wed Aug 11 1993 17:361
    Walt, we can count on you to make a big splash...
38.58LAGUNA::MAY_BRsquished tomatoesWed Aug 11 1993 17:395
   > I was Thurston for that info, Saw... thanks...    
           ^^^^^^^^
    That remark makes me Howell, Walt.
    
    brews
38.59ROYALT::ASHENoone loves me but my mother...Wed Aug 11 1993 19:061
    I think I gingerly skip over that one...
38.60CTHQ::MCCULLOUGHMelanie is one year old!!!Wed Aug 11 1993 19:221
    Just a minnow, Walt, I think you should address it...
38.61CSTEAM::FARLEYCarol's gonna wear maternity clothes!Wed Aug 11 1993 19:373
    And if you do address it Walt, make sure to Seal it and put on a 
    stamp...
    
38.62ROYALT::ASHENoone loves me but my mother...Wed Aug 11 1993 19:472
    Nope... I'm gonna Skipper this time...
    
38.63ouchCTHQ::LEARYMcSorley,McFilthy,McNastyWed Aug 11 1993 20:269
    I got to tell y'all that I was *gladdened* when dat show was cancelled.
    The backdrop always seemed too *mossi* and that Mrs. Howell,*whatacur*
    even though MaryAnne was a *deer*. And they was out on the tropical
    desert isle for years and looked as pale as ghosts.. ya thunk they
    woulda *fry'd,man*. Anyhoo, the show sipped and the whole cast
    should have thrown in the *briggs*.
    
    MikeL
    
38.64But she had that deep,Hesky voiceAKOCOA::BREENThe Last Pennant RaceWed Aug 11 1993 20:333
    > even though MaryAnne was a *deer*
    
    
38.65Nothing Rides Like A Dere!CSTEAM::FARLEYCarol's gonna wear maternity clothes!Wed Aug 11 1993 20:341
    
38.66Who made us trammel down this road anyway?ROYALT::ASHENoone loves me but my mother...Wed Aug 11 1993 20:371
    Watch it or I give all of ya da Bird...
38.67CSTEAM::FARLEYCarol's gonna wear maternity clothes!Wed Aug 11 1993 20:572
    Walt, I don't think you're Worthy of that!
    
38.68PATE::MACNEALruck `n' rollWed Aug 11 1993 21:322
    
    
38.70CAM3::WAYSweet Home ChicagoThu Aug 12 1993 13:187
A lot of times in athletics, especially baseball, a player will get
the nickname "The Professor", perhaps because they were a college man.
Personally, I prefer to think it's because the player is outstanding
in his fielder, or maybe he has that certain sparky to his personality.


'Saw
38.71ROYALT::ASHENoone loves me but my mother...Thu Aug 12 1993 15:026
    re .68:  What's the point?
    
    Too early to get excited yet, but the Tigers may have awakened.  Thanks
    to Roger and company, that's 4 of 5... and the bats are starting to
    work again...
    
38.72They still have a chance, trust me !KAOFS::R_OBASThu Aug 12 1993 15:226
    
     I am not giving up on them. There's still a lot of games. Last year
    Brew crew made a run for the pennant and they were in a worst spot 
    as the Tigers are in right now.
    
     ricardo_a_die_hard_Detoit_Tiger_fan_from_BlUE_jAy_country.
38.73ask Craze, he'll tell ya.....CSTEAM::FARLEYCarol's gonna wear maternity clothes!Thu Aug 12 1993 15:249
    In Noo Yawk, do you know what the translation of "trust me" is?
    
    ;^)
    
    I remain,
    wondering if we've ever been properly introduced to "trust you"?
    ;^)
    Kev
    
38.74But i'm not from noo yokKAOFS::R_OBASThu Aug 12 1993 15:413
    
    Kev,I do not want to know or care what the translation of "TRUST ME"
    in noo yok is.
38.75CSTEAM::FARLEYCarol's gonna wear maternity clothes!Thu Aug 12 1993 15:526
    
    ;^)
    
    Too bad......It might have come in handy if you ever visited da place.
    
    
38.76Darn.. I always forget to smile !KAOFS::R_OBASThu Aug 12 1993 17:052
    
     I forgot to put ;^) in my previous reply, sorry .
38.77CSTEAM::FARLEYCarol's gonna wear maternity clothes!Thu Aug 12 1993 17:2410
    like they say,
    
    
    
    No blood, no foul, no offense
    
    
    no sweat
    
    
38.78ROYALT::ASHENoone loves me but my mother...Thu Aug 12 1993 18:5722
    Shhh... the Tigers may have been awakened...
    
    From:   MAIL::WIERSBECK "AVAILABLE FOR A SHISH-KEBOB DINNER 
    12-Aug-1993 1335"
    To:     ROYALT::ASHE
    CC:
    Subj:   Tigers game
    
    
    Walt,
    
    Good news for you if you haven't heard already.  Tigers lead 7-1 in the
    bottom of the second.  They knocked McDonald out in the first with 
    another big inning.
    
    All I know is Cecil has driven one run in, so that drought is over. The
    announcer said it was his 96th RBI to take the AL lead back.
    
    They gave some stats on the O's pitchers in this series.  The starters have
    pitched a grand total of five innings in the three games and have an ERA of
    40+  The relievers have an ERA of 10.80.  (That's so far :*))
    
38.79METSNY::francusMets in '93Thu Aug 12 1993 19:028
> Shhh... the Tigers may have been awakened...

But they are 8 games out and have 4 teams in front of them So all
4 have to play 5-8 games worse than Detroit. That is a tough
position to be in since it is mostly out of Detroits hands, they need
a lot of help from other teams.

The Crazy Met
38.80MSBCS::BRYDIEI need somebody to shove!Thu Aug 12 1993 19:163
  >> they need a lot of help from other teams.
 
     Gee, just like the Mets.
38.81ROYALT::ASHENoone loves me but my mother...Thu Aug 12 1993 19:214
    But they all play each other along the way.  Look how fast the Sox
    and Orioles got into this.  I'm not saying it's a done deal, but if
    they win today, that's 2 games they've gained on Baltimore and at
    least 2 on Boston in a week's time.   
38.82If it happens, it would be positively historic...NAC::G_WAUGAMANThu Aug 12 1993 19:3316
                 
>    But they all play each other along the way.  Look how fast the Sox
>    and Orioles got into this.
    
    This was extremely unusual though, and required major mini-collapses by
    both Toronto and Detroit, and a minor mini-collapse by the Yankees.  I
    recall sending the Sawmain a note stating that all hope was lost
    regardless of how well the Sox were playing right around the time of 
    the All-Star break, because it was almost impossible to catch and 
    surpass *four* teams.  The Sox then immediately proceeded to go from a 
    point where they were over 10+ games back to the lead (for a day or two) 
    in the fastest time period in 93 years of American League history!  Only 
    three weeks, and they had to jump four teams to do it...
    
    glenn
     
38.83ROYALT::ASHENoone loves me but my mother...Thu Aug 12 1993 19:472
    So if the Sox fans all jump off the bandwagon in June and they come
    back, that's reasonable, but if I keep faith now, I'm nuts?
38.84uh huhCSTEAM::FARLEYCarol's gonna wear maternity clothes!Thu Aug 12 1993 19:516
    sounds reasonable to me.....
    
    
    
    ;^)
    
38.85NAC::G_WAUGAMANThu Aug 12 1993 19:5711
    > So if the Sox fans all jump off the bandwagon in June and they come
    > back, that's reasonable, but if I keep faith now, I'm nuts?
    
    Nope.  There's a difference between rooting for something to happen and
    expecting it to happen.  If the Tigers come back from where they are
    right now, it will positively be one of the greatest comebacks in baseball
    history.  That's a fact.
    
    glenn
    
38.86ROYALT::ASHENoone loves me but my mother...Thu Aug 12 1993 20:013
    We'll see... they need another pitcher.  Nothing in this division makes
    any sense.  The national media still list the Tigers as being in the
    hunt, even if the Boston media doesn't.
38.87Ahem, Walt?CSTEAM::FARLEYCarol's gonna wear maternity clothes!Thu Aug 12 1993 20:0414
    Hey Walt,
    
    Regarding you're p_name - I betcha that if you tied some raw meat
    around your neck, at least some dogs should like you enuf to play
    with you a little.
    
    yes?
    
    ;^)
    
    I remain,
    willing to provide a pointer to the ::dogs notesfile too!
    Kev
    
38.88PATE::MACNEALruck `n' rollThu Aug 12 1993 20:092
    McDonald got shelled again today?  Didn't he get shelled just 2 days
    ago by Detroit?
38.89WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_MNo.3 looms over Fenway.....Thu Aug 12 1993 20:177
    
    
       I believe Fernando started today?
    
    
    
    Chappy
38.90ROYALT::ASHENoone loves me but my mother...Thu Aug 12 1993 20:387
    I just took Spud's mail, but I thought it was Fernando too... who ever
    it was, I guess they didn't make it past the first...
    
    Glenn,  I think if they're within 5 with a month to go, anything's
    possible.  As the almond people would say, "Just a game a week, that's
    all we ask..."
    
38.91METSNY::francusMets in '93Thu Aug 12 1993 21:469
re: .80

Tommy, were you implying the Mets had a chance this year? My, my you really
don't follow baseball too closely; even I concede that there is no way the 
Mets will come close to winning the division this year. I'm glad to see there
are some who are more optimistic than I am. You are welcome to adopt 
Mets in '93 as your p_name to show your renewed faith in the Mets.

The Crazy Met
38.92LAGUNA::MAY_BRsquished tomatoesThu Aug 12 1993 23:395
    
    Final was something like 17-3.  That oughta shake up the O's staff for
    a while..
    
    brews
38.93PFSVAX::JACOBHippo Birdie 2 MeFri Aug 13 1993 00:3811
    
    >>Final was something like 17-3.  That oughta shake up the O's staff for
    >>a while..
    
    I heerd it were 17-11.  Lessee, the lasted three games, the O's has
    lost 15-1, 15-5, and 17-11.  Hail, they even had one of their catchers
    in there pitching today.
    
    Helluva series the O's played there, eh????
    
    JaKe
38.94happy happy enjoyCNTROL::CHILDSVo-La-Ray-Oh-Oh-Can-Sa-Ray-WowWowFri Aug 13 1993 11:577
             <<< Note 38.93 by PFSVAX::JACOB "Hippo Birdie 2 Me" >>
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 JoJ_Not said congrats Jake.........

 mike
 
38.95MSBCS::BRYDIEI need somebody to shove!Fri Aug 13 1993 13:2218
  re .91

  >> Tommy, were you implying the Mets had a chance this year? 
 
     You mean they don't?

  >> My, my you really don't follow baseball too closely; even I concede 
  >> that there is no way the Mets will come close to winning the division 
  >> this year. 

      Pretty bold statement there, TCM. 

  >> I'm glad to see there are some who are more optimistic than I am. You 
  >> are welcome to adopt Mets in '93 as your p_name to show your renewed 
  >> faith in the Mets.

     Thanks. I'll adopt "Mets in '93" and after I tire of that I'll use
     "Some people don't know what sarcasm is."
38.96METSNY::francusMets in '93Fri Aug 13 1993 13:365
> "Some people don't know what sarcasm is."

works both ways, eh?

The Crazy Met
38.97HANNAH::ASHEMovin' on up, to the east side...Mon Jun 20 1994 18:094
    Tigers tie the record for most consecutive games with at least 1 HR.
    The Yanks had 40 during that stretch.  The Tigers have 45 or 46.  
    At least 5 guys have double figures already.
    
38.98ROCK::HUBERIndians in '94Tue Jun 21 1994 12:336
    
    Despite a couple of close calls, Charles Nagy managed to snap the
    consecutive game HR streak, leaving the Tigers tied with the Yankees
    at 25 games.
    
    Joe
38.99STRATA::RPETERSONTue Jun 21 1994 18:585
     These are good times to be a Yankee fan. All the old records being
    chased lately have been held by Yanks. It's just too bad that they are
    so old, alot has changed since those records have been set.
    
    
38.100;^)CSTEAM::FARLEYWed Jun 22 1994 02:501
    
38.101HANNAH::ASHEMovin' on up, to the east side...Wed Jun 22 1994 14:322
    Tigers come back in the 9th to cool the torrid Indians...
    
38.102Go TigersCOMET::MARLANDWed Jul 27 1994 20:263
    I'm a tiger from way back (since 1972) but haven't been able to see
    them live since I moved to Colorado in 1982. Here's hoping for 
    interleague play in the future.
38.1038^)CAMONE::WAYEngine room hand, goes down with shipThu Jul 28 1994 12:3928
>    I'm a tiger from way back 
     ^^^^^^^^^^^

Do you like have to use a big kitty litter box?  Do you have
any special dietary needs or do regular men, women and the
occasional small child?




>(since 1972) 

If that's way back then suddenly I feel old...




>but haven't been able to see
>    them live since I moved to Colorado in 1982. Here's hoping for 
>    interleague play in the future.

Interleague play?  Jeez, why don't we just make it legal for men to
f___ sheep?


'Saw