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Conference noted::windows95

Title:Microsoft Windows 95 ("Chicago")
Notice:Please read topics 1 to 22 before writing anything
Moderator:EEMELI::BACKSTROM
Created:Mon Nov 14 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2958
Total number of notes:19968

2783.0. "Publishing question" by CHEFS::TAYLORM (Mike Taylor @REO, DTN 830-4558) Thu Feb 06 1997 12:00

    Here is an interesting word-processing or DTP question:
    
    I want to publish an article as a small booklet in A5 format, by
    printing the article in 2 columns on A4 paper (landscape, double-sided)
    and folding it in half. (A4 is the standard European page size,
    slightly different from US Letter size; if you fold an A4 sheet in two
    you get A5).
    
    This means you have to print the pages in a funny order, i.e. the
    first sheet of paper will have the last page on the left hand side and
    the first page on the right hand side, etc, so that when it is folded
    the pages come out in the correct order.
    
    How can I do this automatically? Are there Word macros available which
    re-order the pages? Or is this a standard function of a DTP package?
    The alternative of course is to cut and paste each 'page' of the
    document, either using Word or manually.
    
    Mike
    
    
    
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2783.1Pagemaker can build "booklets"DV780::THURYMaking it so...Thu Feb 06 1997 13:3612
    What you've described in the base note is called a "booklet" in
    Pagemaker.  I have "published" several booklets over the last 5 years
    using Pagemaker; some only 5-10 pages, and others 150-200 pages.
    
    I don't know about any word processing such as Word or WordPerfect, but
    I know that Pagemaker does have the ability to build these booklets,
    and I believe MS Publish may, it it still exists - (I tried MS Publish
    once, but found it too limited for my needs)!
    
        Hope this helps,        
    
          Denny
2783.2AXEL::FOLEYhttp://axel.zko.dec.comThu Feb 06 1997 14:026

	Another option is a software package called ClickBook that
	allows you do print all sorts of neat booklets and guides.

								mike
2783.3CHEFS::TAYLORMMike Taylor @REO, DTN 830-4558Thu Feb 06 1997 15:476
    Thanks for the suggestions - can anyone tell me if MS Publisher
    or Serif PagePlus supports this?
    
    Thanks
    Mike
    
2783.4`print as booklet' feature present in PagePlus V3.snooty.uvo.dec.com::TRAVELLJohn T, UK VMS System SupportFri Feb 07 1997 10:574
Certainly this feature is there in PagePlus 3, I use it a lot. 
I assume it is there in V4, I have not upgraded yet.

	JT:
2783.5MS Publisher has bookletsNQOS01::ohf1003_port13.ohf.dec.com::wernerFri Feb 07 1997 11:426
I just checked my copy of MS Publisher and the capability is there to create folded 
booklets. I've never used that capability, but there is even a Wizard to step you through 
the process. I've got Publisher 95. I think Publisher 97 is either out or about to come 
out and would assume that it will have even more features and certainly better Wizards.

Norm
2783.6CHEFS::TAYLORMMike Taylor @REO, DTN 830-4558Fri Feb 07 1997 12:307
    Thanks for the information.
    
    Now - I'll have to think about buying MS Publisher or PagePlus. Does
    anyone have any views on which is the better value product?
    
    Mike
    
2783.7POMPY::LESLIEAndy Leslie, DEC man walking...Fri Feb 07 1997 13:011
    www.byte.com may have some reviews.
2783.8Wordperfect is ITYIELD::JBAKERFri Feb 07 1997 16:4817
Hi,

I tried in Word and didn't have much luck, 
but Wordperfect makes it very easy.  I 
happen to really like Wordperfect, anyhow
if you go to Print/options it has a selection
for booklet printing.  Getting help from that 
page gives great directions.  All you have to
do is subdivide a page (very easy) go in 
order (page 1-whatever) and choose booklet 
printing when finished, it will even do 
front/back printing if your printer 
supports it.

Good luck,

Jenn
2783.9WHOS01::BOWERSDave Bowers, NSIS/IMMon Feb 10 1997 15:184
    If you're also interested in graphics, COREL does a pretty good job of
    imposition in a nymber of formats, including booklet.
    
    \dave
2783.10snooty.uvo.dec.com::TRAVELLJohn T, UK VMS System SupportMon Feb 10 1997 16:0210
A recent issue of a UK magasine (cannot remember which one) did a comparison
between the two. It did not seem to be biassed, both products having good and
bad points. The summary (from what I recall) seemed to suggest that if you want
a lot of wizards to help you do virtually anything, and already have WORD, then
PUBLISHER was the better choice, OTOH if you want to get on and do things with
less wizard nagging then PP may suit your needs. 

I will see if the article is available on the web. 

	JT:
2783.11review in UK magazine Computer Shopper Jan 97 (extract..)snooty.uvo.dec.com::TRAVELLJohn T, UK VMS System SupportTue Feb 11 1997 11:2329
OK, I found the web access to the review comparing MS publisher and PP4.
This is of course only the opinion of one magazine reviewer.

http://www.compshopper.co.uk/

You need to register, but once you have done so the whole site is available,
select reviews, at the bottom of the page there is a selection box. In it 
select DTP then hit GO! The relevant comparison review is the 8th link down.


Microsoft Publisher 97 / Serif PagePlus 4

lots of info ommitted...

Conclusion

Both of these products should be considered as minor upgrades for existing
users. The main extra in Publisher 97 is its facilities for creating Web
pages, but if this is something you're serious about, then you'll need more.
PagePlus 4 has few completely new facilities and, at the end of the day, is
not as powerful a product as its Publishing Power Suite which is based on
PagePlus 3.

If you're new to DTP, both products have a great deal to offer by way of
supplied layouts and the assistance of Wizards. Publisher's online help may
be slow and cumbersome, but it is comprehensive so this is the route I would
advise for complete beginners. If you want to be able to exploit more of the
opportunities inherent in DTP, then PagePlus 4 is still the technically
superior product. 
2783.12Problem solvedCHEFS::TAYLORMMike Taylor @REO, DTN 830-4558Fri Feb 14 1997 07:1022
    To answer my original question, here is what I have found:
    
    Microsoft have a macro FormatFoldOverBooklet in the Supplemental
    Macros for Word (I found this in the Knowledge Base on the Web - see
    http://www.microsoft.com/kb/articles/q123/6/06.htm). This was designed
    for Word 6.0, but MS say they haven't tested it for Word 7.0. An
    associated page gives details of a workaround for a syntax error in the
    macro.
    
    However, I didn't follow this route in the end, since the March issue
    of Computer Buyer (in the UK) has a 60-day trial version of MS
    Publisher 97 on its cover CD. This does the job very well.
    
    Regarding PagePlus versus Publisher, there was a mini-review of both in
    a recent issue of PC Magazine. The only significant difference I picked
    up was that PagePlus 3 was allegedly prone to crashing, but this has
    mostly been fixed in PagePlus 4.
    
    Thanks for all the input.
                                    
    Mike
    
2783.13FormatFoldOverBooklet doesn't like tables (for example)MARVIN::SHANDMike ShandWed Feb 19 1997 12:5110
I just tried this on a simple document of mine, and it blew up on a table.
I have yet to find a utility which will take any document and do the right
thing. Even "ClickBook" doesn't work with justified text.

The difficulty lies in trying to re-format a document. Imagine what happens if
you have interesting diagrams etc. What is needed is something which makes no
attempt to reformat the document (apart from re-ordering the pages), but 
which prints "2 up" like on an LPS20.

	Mike
2783.14No problem in PP3...snooty.uvo.dec.com::TRAVELLJohn T, UK VMS System SupportThu Feb 20 1997 14:157
Works for me in PagePlus3, I do it a lot, all of the newsletters I create for my
club are 2-up per A4 sheet, double sided. All done on the PC and printing to a
local EPSON 800+...
OK, I know it is a bit dated, and 16-bit, but it works...
I have not tried the newer (allegedly 32 bit) versions.

	JT: