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Conference noted::windows95

Title:Microsoft Windows 95 ("Chicago")
Notice:Please read topics 1 to 22 before writing anything
Moderator:EEMELI::BACKSTROM
Created:Mon Nov 14 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2958
Total number of notes:19968

2745.0. "what does tracert output show me ??" by FIREBL::LEEDS (From VAXinated to Alphaholic) Mon Jan 20 1997 16:00

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2745.1One explanation and a reference...CENPCS::BIRMINGHAMTransporter Room - 1 to beam up...Mon Jan 20 1997 21:1743
2745.2RDGENG::COBBGraham R. Cobb (Telecom PSC), REO1-F8, 830-3917Fri Jan 24 1997 10:2119
.1>     By subtracting the RTT times between hops (lines in the output), you can 
.1>     derive the delay in each segment of the path. It won't tell you what
.1>     knid of path, but might suggest how efficient the path is and something
.1>     about it's bandwitdth.

I agree  with  the  rest,  but  not  this.   Real  routers are optimised for
forwarding   packets,   not   for   returning   error  responses.   So,  the
round-trip-time  will  be the sum of the real network round trip delays PLUS
the  delay  at the router to do with catching this unusual packet (TTL going
to  0  is very unusual for real data) and generating the error report.  This
second  part  will be very different for different routers and can easily be
similar to the real network delays.

So, it  is  *not* safe to subtract two lines.  In fact it is not unusual for
the  values  on one line to be *larger* than the values on the next (because
the  difference  in  delay for generating errors is larger than the delay of
the next hop).

Graham
2745.3I agree about the router's role, but...CENPCS::BIRMINGHAMTransporter Room - 1 to beam up...Thu Jan 30 1997 01:2828
    Hi Graham,
    
    I do agree with your statement about the router optimizations, and the fact
    that routers will probably preempt the error packet ( by caching or
    other priority schemes...) and contribute to some variances in the RTT
    values displayed. And it's true that TTL normally wouldn't go to 0. But
    tracert does use that facility to determine the number of hops between
    the testing host and the target host.
    
    However, in evaluating an IP network with tracert, once the total path 
    is known, incremental testing of path segments (ie, running tracert to 
    known hosts on subnets at each hop boundary) and observing the uniformity 
    of samples on each test still might yield meaningful information about 
    the links along the path.  For instance, if I have a three hop network 
    between two hosts, and I run tracert from node A->B and then Node A->C I 
    should be able to examine the results and at least have a reasonable 
    idea about the links between A->B and B->C. This would assume that several 
    tests are executed, and that the sample results returned are reasonably 
    consistent between test. If the test-to-test samples show large
    variations, then by looking at which combinations of hops are involved,
    then you should be able to deduce which part of the network (routers,
    comms lines, etc.) might be having trouble.
    
    If I'm an engineer troubleshooting a network problem, and this is the
    only tool I have access to, then it might just suggest where I should 
    start looking... Just my perspective on how this tool adds value.
    
    George 8^)