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Conference pasta::flex

Title:Bodybuilding and Weight Training
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Moderator:PASTA::PIERCE
Created:Tue Jul 14 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1336
Total number of notes:22127

1331.0. "Help Needed Fast" by HOTLNE::SHIELDS () Sat Apr 05 1997 17:50

    I wrote a note before they said they needed more info. so i'll try not
    to make it too long.
    I went to the doctor on Jan.30( about 2 mnths. ago) I weighed in at 190
    lbs. I just went back and I am down to 168 lbs.-22lbs. in 2 mnths.
    Thanks to the help of Phentermine and Pondimin( a better form of 
    fen-phen) I also started really working out.
    I am 19 yrs. old roughly 168-170 lbs. which fluctuates and 5'7"
    I own a Nordictrack Ctx, a Soloflex Rockit, weights, and I belong to a
    good gym. I try to workout M-F after work. But I have been working
    65 hrs./wk that should be regulating soon.
    I would like to lose about 30 more lbs. slimming and toning. The
    slimming part short term. I would like to incorporate exercise and 
    working out long term. I have exercise-induced asthma; so I limit
    the cardiovasculiar exercise. I lift weights. I use the nautilus
    and eagle machines at the gym.
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1331.1HOTLNE::BURTrude people ruleTue Apr 08 1997 15:0418
i'm guessing you belong to jenny craig? they are highly promoting phen-fen. if 
not, then i hope you are under a dr's care?  22 lbs in 2 months makes me crinch
and twist really bad.  that is way too much weight to lose that fast.  i'd be 
careful abouting eating, because without severe eating behaviour modifications, 
the weight will go right back on, especially after the phen-fen cycle and 
increasing the cardio could only make health conditions worse.  i'd really check
w/a dr anyway, just to make sure you're sound and any dr that promotes 11 lbs a 
month in weight loss should be re-evaluated (MPO).

i know we all want the overnite success, but it took 3 long yrs to lose 80lbs 
and i've mangaed to maintain my current weight without drugs. 1 lb every 2 weeks
is permanently off the body (providing exercise and diet are maintained).

i congratulate you on you efforts to change your life, but i'm just concerned 
about the significant amount of weight loss in such a short period of time and 
any dr promoting that is not the dr for me (again, MPO).

reg.
1331.2Please slow downPCBUOA::BAYJJim, PortablesTue Apr 08 1997 16:0652
    Shame on me for not saying anything, but I felt the same way when I
    read this.  Everything I've read says that two pounds per week is
    really pushing the safe weight loss regime.  One to one-and-a-half is
    the typical maximum that a typical weight loss program will allow.
    
    The problem is that your body breaks itself down and rebuilds itself at
    a certain rate.  That rate NEVER changes.  Anytime you exceed that
    rate, you are essentially starving, which begins a whole series of body
    changes specifically engineered for getting you through a famine, which
    includes burning muscle for energy.  If you were really starving, then
    this would have the good side effect of reducing your caloric needs,
    because muscle requires a LOT of energy to maintain, whereas fat
    requires virtually no energy at all (remember, we're talking living
    tissue, whether muscle or fat).
    
    However, you can see that after your program, you have now, in effect,
    reduced your basal metabolism.  You now have less muscle to feed. 
    Consequently, you need less food.  To continue to lose weight, you need
    to eat even less.  This is a vicious cycle that can, in the extreme
    case, lead to anorexia.
    
    On the other hand, if you exercise and build muscle, your body requires
    more energy to maintain the muscle.  If you maintain a healthy diet,
    then the fitter you get, the thinner you get!
    
    Here's an interesting tidbit that I just read in Covert Bailey's new
    book, "Smart Exercise".  I strongly recommend it, because it explains
    exercise physiology and metabolism in VERY easy to understand terms.
    
    He comments that NO ONE has ever starved to death.  In the bodies of
    starvation victims, no matter how emaciated, there is ALWAYS fat. 
    Famine victims DON'T lose all their fat, they lose all their muscle. 
    Fat is the primary source of energy in the body, and you would die very
    quickly without it, which is why the body will break down protein to
    use for energy to protect its fat stores.  What happens is that, as the
    protein is broken down, the ability to produce critical amino acids is
    lost, and you eventually lose the ability to turn your fat into energy,
    leading to death.
    
    So, to paraphrase Covert Bailey, "fat is your friend!"  You don't want
    to get rid of fat, but rather increase the ratio of muscle to fat.  And
    extreme dieting does the exact opposite.
    
    BTW, you aren't reading something from a weight-lifter here.  I'm 60
    pounds over my "safe" weight, and over the past 45 days, I've only lost
    four pounds, of which three were water weight.  I won't be at my target
    weight for THIRTEEN MORE MONTHS, but I feel better than I have in a
    very long time from exercising and (reasonably) healthy eating, and I
    hope I am on a plan that will last a lifetime.
    
    jeb