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Conference decwet::skydiving

Title:Blue Skies!
Moderator:DECWET::LYON
Created:Mon Jan 22 1996
Last Modified:Sun Apr 20 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:15
Total number of notes:31

12.0. "Just for starters!" by FABSIX::D_TODD () Wed Mar 12 1997 15:45

Ok folks,

	A question or two maybe to benefit the uninformed.

	When I did my first jump last fall, I received my little blue jump log 
book.  In it are pages to record jump specifics. These jump specifics being 
things like type of exit from plane, things done during fall (rapid spinning
or whatnot),  chute characteristics, landing, etc.  Is this some sort of 
national standard, or is it just something local to your individual dive area?

	In this book I was also 'graded' by the guy whom I was strapped to, and
he also made recommendations for advancement to the next level.  What's that 
all about?  Is there some known natural progression throughout the rankings of 
skydiving?  Kind of like the differing levels of scuba diving, perhaps.
Do you have to log a certain number of jumps before going solo freefall, or
is it a matter of learning your equipment at your own pace then having the
intestinal fortitude to jump on your own? 

	I would also like to make the request that a note be dedicated to
skydiving jargon, so that those like me will better understand those of you
who have been doing this for awhile.  I think that would be pretty helpful.
I imagine there must be a ton of diving specific terms, acronyms, and equipment
types/names that are probably not common knowledge to the lay skydiver.  Maybe
I should just go buy a book.  Perhaps, but I'd rather have this resource of 
real human experience.  Assuming this place gets some real discussion going.


	I appreciate any enlightenment you can provide.

					clear skies!   -  Dave
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12.1Some infoSNAX::SMITHI FEEL THE NEEDWed Mar 19 1997 09:5455
    Hi Dave,
    
    	It's been many moons since I've had the pleasure of skydiving, but
    most of the info will be about the same, so I'll try and answer some of
    your questions.
    
    	As far as the log book is concerned, the different entries are
    "mostly" to record your own specifics about a particular jump. However,
    the entries could also be used as proof of completing certain
    requirements for advancment because eash jump needs to be signed off.
    Let's say, for example, that you go to a drop zone you havn't jumped
    before. The people there will want to know your capabilities before
    they let you jump. They will determine that through your log book. If
    you say your cleared for 60 second delays but don't have 60 second
    delay's recorded and signed off in your book, don't be surprised if
    they don't believe you. So, you record the specifics of each jump.
    Type of exit might be "flat stable". Things done during free fall might
    be just flat stable, or 360 right and left turns, realitive work, 2 or
    3 man hook up, etc.
    
    Yes, there is a progression through the ranks. That's why you should
    keep good records, and make sure each jump is signed off. I believe
    they still have different "license" levels in the sport. They used to
    run A thru D. Not sure if the lower levels (A & B) are still used. Each
    level requires a higher level of proficiency with the ability to do
    more in the air. There are also a set number of jumps required for each
    level.
    
    Assuming the "old" static line method of learning is still used the
    same way, the progression is something like this.....
    
    5 successful static line jumps, the last 2 of which have to be
    successful dummy rip cord pulls. Once this is completed, you get signed
    off for free fall and progress like this....
    
    3 successful 5 second delays
    3 successful 10 second delays
    3 successful 15 second delays
    3 successful 30 second delays
    3 successful 60 second delays (cant remember if there was a 45 sec.
                                   delay between 30 and 60)
    
    Successful in the above progression means that you are watched on each
    of those jumps and the person signing off in your log book is stating
    that you performed each jump correctly and maintained control and
    completed whatever other requirements correctly during the jump.
    
    Once you complete the 60 second delays, then your no longer considered
    a student and are signed off to jump to your hearts content. There is
    an accelerated free fall program that get's you off of student status
    quicker, but I'm not sure what the progression is.
    
    Hope this helps.
    
    Steve
12.2forget static lineCUJO::PADILLAFri Mar 28 1997 21:0739
    
    Hi Dave 
    
    Here's some more input for your skydiving.  Yes they still have license
    progression A thru D.  As mentioned in the previous  reply, keep
    control of you log book since it is how you substantiate what level of
    skydiver  you are.  Unlike the last reply, I don't recommend messing
    with the static line method.  There is a much better method out now
    that is called AFF (Accelerated Free Fall).  You will freefall from 10
    to 12 thousand feet on your first jump.  I'd stay as far away from
    static line as possible.  Now before you conclude that I am an
    anti-static line snob, remember that I jumped static line for about 14
    years before learning to free fall.  I am also  a Special Forces static
    line jumpmaster.   
    
    The problem with learning to do a static line is that you are learning
    skills that you will quickly move off of so they are  wasted.  Also,
    since you are falling predominantly on your own you can develop bad
    habits before they can be corrected.  With the AFF program,  you always
    have at least 1 AFF jumpmaster in the air with you.  You will learn
    some hand signals so  that he can make on the  spot corrections as you
    learn.  On your first couple of jumps, you will have 2 jumpmasters
    holding on to you.  STarting (I believe) with your level 3, you will go
    to only one.  You learn fast this way and it's way safer.  Most schools
    actively try to discourage students from doing static line.  You can
    theoritically get off student status in 7 jumps.  I took 8, average is
    about 10.  USPA recomends this method. 
    
    Whichever way you go, I hope  you have a blast  
    
    P.S.
    
    jumped a C-130 tailgate about a week ago from 10,000 feet.  It's
    still a rush.
    
    
    Ernie  
    B14644
    
12.3USPA license info (long)CUJO::PADILLAWed Apr 02 1997 01:02369