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Conference decwet::advfs_support

Title:AdvFS Support/Info/Questions Notefile
Notice:note 187 is Freq Asked Questions;note 7 is support policy
Moderator:DECWET::DADDAMIO
Created:Wed Jun 02 1993
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1077
Total number of notes:4417

997.0. "Vdump and open files" by SIGSR1::BEGLEY_M () Wed Feb 05 1997 05:40

    I have to consider backup strategies for a 24x7 system and have some
    questions regarding online backups and open files.
    
    If a file is open when vdump attempts to copy it exactly what will get
    copied, is it a "snapshot" of the file or what? When that file is
    restored what state will it be in? Will it be usable?
    
    Conversely what happens if vdump has a file open and some other
    application attempts to open it?
    
    What difference is there (if any) between the way vdump interacts with
    an open file and the way a vdump of a clone copy of the fileset
    interacts with an open file. It is my understanding that the clone is
    simply a metadata copy and so when you vdump the clone the actual
    blocks on disk that contain the file's data still need to be read so if
    the file is in use by another application there is still potential for
    conflict. Is this right?
    
    Basically I need to be sure that I can safely restore a backup that was
    taken when there were many files open.
    
    Thanks in advance.
    
    Martin
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997.1What vdump does; what AdvFS clones doNETRIX::"tmark@zk3.dec.com"Tim MarkWed Feb 05 1997 07:5066
Q: If a file is open when vdump attempts to copy it exactly what will get
   copied, is it a "snapshot" of the file or what?  When that file is
    restored what state will it be in? Will it be usable?

A: Since vdump uses normal POSIX open() and read() calls, it will not get
   a snapshot of any kind.  It will simply get, for every block in the
   file, the current data that is in that block.  This implies that vdump
   should not be used while another application is writing to the file since
   vdump might save application-inconsistent data.  If vdump saves a file
   in such a way that it is inconsistent from an application perspective,
   vrestore will restore it in the same state and you're in trouble.  Running
   vdump on clones is different, as explained below.

Q: Conversely what happens if vdump has a file open and some other
   application attempts to open it?

A: Since vdump opens the file only for reading, it will not interfere with
   another application's opening the file for reading.  If that application
   is going to write to the file, though, you could end up with inconsistent
   data in the saveset (the term used to describe the output of vdump) as
   described above.

Q: What difference is there (if any) between the way vdump interacts with
   an open file and the way a vdump of a clone copy of the fileset
   interacts with an open file. It is my understanding that the clone is
   simply a metadata copy and so when you vdump the clone the actual
   blocks on disk that contain the file's data still need to be read so if
   the file is in use by another application there is still potential for
   conflict. Is this right?

A: No, that is not right.  When you clone a fileset, only the metadata is
   copied at that time.  But, if you then modify a file in the original
fileset,
   say by modifying block X of file Y, AdvFS will first save the original
   block X of file Y to the clone fileset and then write your new value for
   block X of file Y to the original fileset.  This is known as copy-on-write.
   So it is quite safe to have applications modifying files in the original
   fileset while you run vdump on the clone fileset.  That is, what you will
   always get in your saveset is a snapshot of what the original fileset
looked
   like at the time that the clone was made.  This is one of the primary uses
   of clone filesets.

Having said this, two points should be made regarding clone filesets and
24x7 environments:

1. Until you have the backup safely on tape, you don't have it.  That is, 
   if the tape backup is your only way of getting back to a consistent state,
   be careful.  Having simply cloned the fileset is NOT a guarantee that 
   you can restore the fileset if, say, a disk goes bad while you are running
   vdump on the clone fileset.  Hopefully, you have other technologies such
   as RAID and LSM in place to avoid scenarios like that.  If not, you
probably
   should wait to resume activity on the original fileset until after the
   tape backup is complete.  That sounds unacceptable given your requirements
   so let's hope that RAID and/or LSM is in place.
2. AdvFS clone filesets do not provide true on-line backups.  That is, it
   is necessary to stop all applications from writing to the original fileset
   long enough to run 'clonefset' and make a clone.  This should only take
   a few seconds or up to a few minutes and is a big win over the UFS model
   of stopping all applications, running backup, and restarting applications.
   Nonetheless, if your requirements are such that you can not stop your
   application(s) from writing to the original fileset long enough to make a
   clone, you need to consider alternatives to AdvFS clones and vdump for 
   your backup requirements.
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