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Conference cujo::tractors_machinery

Title:Giving Old Iron New Life - Tractors, Engines, and Machinery
Notice:#6 - For Sale, #7 - Wanted, #8 - For Trade, #13 - Shows
Moderator:CSC32::D_BROWN
Created:Tue Dec 12 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:147
Total number of notes:1533

145.0. " McCormick Deering 10-20" by CSC32::D_BROWN (Dave Brown CSC-VSG/INTDRV) Mon Oct 07 1996 12:54

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145.1Making Progress, slowly...CSC32::D_BROWNDave Brown CSC-VSG/INTDRVThu Dec 19 1996 11:5312
145.2Call to KZO Digital ... Randy V.JULIET::ROYERNothing stuffs a stocking like a nice leg!Thu Dec 19 1996 20:397
145.3Progress ContinuesCSC32::D_BROWNDave Brown CSC-VSG/INTDRVMon Jan 20 1997 19:3219
145.4Power washer?SOLVIT::TTHOMPSONThu Jan 23 1997 21:2824
145.5Steam's the way to goCSC32::D_BROWNDave Brown CSC-VSG/INTDRVMon Jan 27 1997 12:2623
    
    
    	Farmall??!! This tractor predates the Farmall trademark by quite a
    while. McCormick-Deering is more applicable.
    
    	Anyway, Pressure Washers. In my experiance, no pressure washer will
    take off the old cruddy cast iron quality crud on an old tractor. It
    will take most but not all. What one really needs is a steam cleaner.
    For liability reasons, you can't rent them anymore. But, there are
    business's which have them and will clean your stuff for you. They are
    the best.
    
    	What I rented for my tractor was a 3000 PSI hot water washer. It
    heats up the water after it is pressurized and it really tears stuff up
    *BUT* not the hardened crud unless you can get under it. Some of the
    crud that was left on my tractor will require a hammer and cold chisel.
    But if I had access to a steam cleaner, it would come right off.
    
    	A 3000 PSI hot water washer would probably tear the siding off
    your house. Unless you stood back at least 10 feet and kept it always
    moving.
    
    	Dave
145.6Steam = ScarySOLVIT::TTHOMPSONMon Jan 27 1997 15:0017
    Oops.  Should have put "Farmall" in " ".  No offense meant.
    
    Yes, steam is good for the _really_ heavy stuff.  Luckily, my old
    relics only have a few places that would warrant it.  I'll probably use
    chisels and sweat there.  
    
    Many years ago I saw a guy running a Case steam tractor - with about
    half of his face melted away.  Learned that he was next to a live steam
    line when it let loose many years earlier.  Scary stuff, steam.
    
    That 3000psi hot water unit sounds like something I can use for the
    majority of the work I need to to.
    
    As for the house...."...Aww...the rain will wash it off, Dear..."
    
    Thanks, Dave, and take care,
    TT.
145.7APACHE::KEITHDr. DeuceFri Feb 21 1997 11:5922
    I have a 3200 psi 4 gpm pressure washer driven by an 11 hp Honda engine. It
    removes most anything including paint w/o paint remover!
    
    With paint remover, well you have to experience it...! It is a total
    body experience. Using a pressure washer of that magnatude (if it had
    twice the pressure or twice the volume, you could not hang onto it),
    you literally take a bath with it. To be effective, you must get close
    which means that the chances of the water coming back at you are quite
    good. It does disperse quickly though. The 1st time I let my younger
    son try hanging onto it, his eyes lit up then he pointed skyward. I
    could see the gears turning. He was thinking "hey I could make snow".
    You could!
    
    My Chev Bomb Truck needed a new valvecover gasket and when I removed
    the cover, it was disgusting. I couldn't bear the thought to just
    replace the gasket, so I laid out plastic tarps and a straw/hay filter
    and pressure washed across the top of the head. 15 seconds and you
    could eat off of it. Yes, I did change the oil after
    
    
    
    Steve
145.8It works!CSC32::D_BROWNDave Brown CSC-VSG/INTDRVTue Apr 01 1997 14:2016
    
    
    	It runs. I rolled it out of the garage last Friday, prep'd it, and
    then cranked it. Actually, one doesn't crank an engine like that, one
    gets the crank to about 1 o'clock and then forces it down hard. It
    popped right away and after about 6 times, it started right up and
    purred right along. Other than the slight amount of water coming from
    the head gasket and radiator, for which I'm applying block sealer, it
    looks really good and runs well. Quite an accomplishment for one
    building a tractor from 5 wrecks - the engine alone was made from 3
    different tractors.
    
    	Now on to cleaning, sheet mental work, and painting. Then we'll be
    all ready for the summer shows!
    
    	Dave
145.9We had 10-20's - F4?? - H and W4's.JULIET::ROYERGreening up our lives.Thu May 08 1997 19:4410
    Dave,
    
    Having a father who worked for International Harvester and having to 
    crank my share of tractors from said company, McD, was the early brand,
    Start with the crank at about 7 O'clock and crank upwards in a snap
    movement, with your hand cupped, so the thumb is not on the opposite
    side of the crank as the fingers, ELSE the kick (back) may break your 
    thumb/wrist.
    
    Dave
145.10Crank Safely!CSC32::D_BROWNDave Brown CSC-VSG/INTDRVThu May 15 1997 15:2317
    
    Yea, I was thinking the same thought after I was trying to start it on
    the downward stroke - if this thing kicks I'm in trouble! I'll give the
    upstroke starting a try but the thing is SO HARD to turn over. I am
    using an after-market mag (WICO series C) with the built-in impulse
    lag. I currently have the impulse set to about 4 degrees after TDC and
    the run timing set for about 10 degrees before.
    
    I noticed that the impulse hits at about 10 o'clock and 4 o'clock. I'm
    quite paranoid about kickback and that's why I've set the impulse
    timing to ATDC instead of TDC like the book wants you to do. And yes,
    you gotta keep that thumb out of the way. The crank is ominously
    slightly bent in the direction that it would be if it backfired and hit
    something... :(
    
    Dave
                   
145.11...but the thing is SO HARD to turn overFIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Fri May 16 1997 09:335
 Did McCormick not have compression release valves to make cranking
 easier?  The John Deere engines had these `petcocks' one per side.

 Bruce
145.12Rebuilt engines are hard to crank. JULIET::ROYERGreening up our lives.Sat May 17 1997 14:5810
    No, McCormick Dearing did not have compression releases!  John Deere
    had to because of the way the two cylinder engines turned.  But when
    they backfired, the steering wheel would go into the next county.
    
    The crazy way they cranked, remove the steering wheel, insert the
    adapter, and insert into the flywheel...
    
    Dave
    
    
145.13:-) not on ours, the steering wheel staysFIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Mon May 19 1997 09:4112
 Hadn't seen the ones that cranked with a steering wheel, but I think
 I see why.  Some of the John Deeres with the starting / fly wheel
 did not have any holes in the wheel, the wheel did have a very
 large rim with finger-tip detents to grip.  Had the fly-wheel had
 holes, sooner or later a finger would be in the wrong place and
 come up missing.

 My assumption is that the JD that started with the steering wheel might
 have pre-dated the fly-wheel models, and may have cost some finger/hands?

 Bruce
145.14JULIET::ROYERGreening up our lives.Mon May 19 1997 12:438
    JD Model A and the like, had the closed flywheel cover, you removed a
    small port cover, insert adapter, use steering wheel to crank.  They
    may have caused a few missing fingers, glad I did not have to crank
    one.
    
    They were really handy to help learn swearing!
    
    Dave
145.1532168::KEITHDr. DeuceThu May 22 1997 15:237
    My International T-20 Crawler (McCormick Engine) had to be 'wound up'
    quite rapidly to start even with the inpulse thingie (techninal term)
    on the mag working. It never kicked back but had the very bad habit of
    throwing the crank if the idle was set too high. It would spit it right
    out the front. It almost got me a few times...
    
    Steve
145.16IT'S D O N E!CSC32::D_BROWNDave Brown CSC-VSG/INTDRVThu Jun 05 1997 15:519
    
    	Todays' the day I've been waiting for; I'm done with my I-20. After
    7+ months of grueling work with the last 6 weeks in painting, I'm done.
    Its now ready for all the summer shows.
    
    	It's taken quite a toll mentally and financially. Now I've got to
    earn some of that back with the fun I'll have!
    
    	Dave