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Conference noted::ibmpc-95

Title:IBM PCs, clones, DOS, etc.
Notice:Intro in 1-11, Windows stuff in NOTED::MSWINDOWS please
Moderator:TARKIN::LINND
Created:Tue Jan 03 1995
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3023
Total number of notes:28404

2808.0. "3D Cards:Matrox or Diamond 3d?" by MEOC02::BURGERROBERT (Robert Burger) Mon Nov 25 1996 04:09

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2808.1Intergraph ReactorCSC32::J_MANNINGMon Nov 25 1996 12:3812
2808.23D CardsMEOC02::BURGERROBERTRobert BurgerTue Nov 26 1996 03:1812
2808.3JGODCL::WINPENNYTue Nov 26 1996 06:5517
2808.42D/3D comboCSC32::J_MANNINGTue Nov 26 1996 09:4815
2808.5What about the ET6000IRNBRU::LITTLETue Nov 26 1996 11:074
2808.6WOTVAX::HILTONSave Water, drink beerTue Nov 26 1996 19:566
2808.7What took you so long? ;^)WRKSYS::TATOSIANThe Compleat TanglerTue Nov 26 1996 23:557
2808.8Always waiting for whats comming in the futureMEOC02::BURGERROBERTRobert BurgerWed Nov 27 1996 03:2813
2808.9WOTVAX::HILTONSave Water, drink beerThu Nov 28 1996 18:524
2808.10Diamond 3D 2000 is $99... www.pricewatch.comJULIET::HARRIS_MANetworks Sales ExecMon Dec 02 1996 05:404
2808.11WOTVAX::HILTONSave Water, drink beerThu Mar 27 1997 14:122
    They've now been out long enough for price to start dropping, the
    Orchic Righteous 3D is around $190 apparently.
2808.12Intergraph TOP RATED Video card is now $149 ListJULIET::HARRIS_MANetworks Sales ExecThu Mar 27 1997 14:326
    And I'm told the Intergraph unit (just got TOP billing in this month's
    trade rags) is now $149 list and rumoured to be going to $99 list!
    
    Watch your head! Prices falling...
    
    Mark
2808.13WOTVAX::HILTONSave Water, drink beerThu Mar 27 1997 14:331
    Is the Intergraph a 3D only card or a 2d/3d one?
2808.143D and Windows screamer...JULIET::HARRIS_MANetworks Sales ExecFri Mar 28 1997 16:214
    3D and a screamer from what I hear. DOS performance is only fair, but
    Windows is hot...
    
    Mark
2808.15FX28PM::SMITHPWritten but not readThu May 29 1997 12:347
    Prices are dropping! Our Creative graphics blaster M202 (Cirrus chip) 
    stopped displaying 1024 x 768 over the weekend, it would still work at 
    SVGA/256 color res level. I picked up the new Maxtrox Mystique 4MB WRAM at 
    COMPUSA this week for $119 US. They also had the Creative 3D card for
    $99.
    
    Enjoy 
2808.16Diamonf for $79SWAM1::SOTO_RUThu May 29 1997 19:2310
    Just bought the Diamond 3D 2000 (the fixed 2MB model) for $79 at Best
    Buy. They had the STB Lightspeed for $69+. It was a toss up but the
    Diamond has the 3D (transparency, fogging, blending, filtering, etc)
    and decent MPEG playback (software-based). And if it quickly wears out
    my satisfaction, I'll give it to one of my kids who'll be more than
    thrilled. No problems with drivers, yet, but I'm sure they're
    forthcoming, in the rich Diamond tradition.
    
    regards,
    Ruben
2808.17anyone have any luck with diamond on bad cards?fievel.shr.dec.com::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Thu May 29 1997 22:2611
 I have a bad diamond 3d 2000 4MB card that I bought last Christmas.
 This particular board will run for a day or two, them in the middle
 of something important it will corrupt the display and have to
 be rebooted.  Calls to diamond require 20 minutes + of hold time
 on a toll line.  Mail to diamond says call us....

 I'm looking for a replacement board or my money back.  Anyone have
 any luck?

 Bruce
2808.18Exchange it at store, or did you buy it mail-order?NETCAD::BATTERSBYFri May 30 1997 12:494
    Have you tried taking it back to the store you bought it from,
    or did you purchase the Diamond 3D card mail-order?
    
    Bob
2808.19Let the system handle it ....BRITE::FYFEWhat's his name ...Fri May 30 1997 13:345
or use a purchase/return cycle to your advantage, especially if the board
is under warrantee.

Doug.
2808.20BULEAN::BANKSGoose CookerFri May 30 1997 13:5815
A friend went through this with a Diamond card.

What she discovered was that it was because she bought it at a computer
show.

It seems that a lot of dealers at shows get 2MB Diamond cards, and put
another 2MB into them to upgrade them to 4MB, then sell them as 4MB boards. 
Not a problem, except that they're in the habit of using chips that are
slower than spec.

Replacing the errant RAM with faster RAM seemed to have solved the problem
for her.

Don't know where your board came from, but it's at least a place to start
looking.
2808.21sounds about right, deep discount mail order....fievel.shr.dec.com::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Fri May 30 1997 18:0612
 The errant card has half the memory soldered on, the other half
 socketed.  The problem only shows up when hot, so maybe I'll just
 pull of the memory and toss it and sell the board as a 2MB. I think
 the last couple of replies sum this up, the vendor was able to 
 make the price low by sourcing their own memory chips.

 If someone would like to play, make me an offline offer, I'm
 not up to playing hardware games now that the machine is running
 once more. (It is a 3D 2000 Diamond Stealth)

 Bruce
2808.22errant card posted in 100.340fievel.shr.dec.com::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Wed Jun 04 1997 14:140