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Title:note 3 has pointer to current kit
Notice:note 3 has pointer to current kit
Moderator:PEACHS::GHEFF
Created:Wed May 29 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3301
Total number of notes:14905

3265.0. "eXcursion and CDE on DU 3.2" by nova05.vbo.dec.com::BERGER () Fri Apr 11 1997 13:54

	Hi there

I'm having a number of problems with eXcursion trying to display 
from a Digital Unix 3.2G system with CDE. eXcursion is V3.0.554 on NT 
4.0 Alpha and Intel (same results).

The main problems are when I try to use XDMCP (I then use the Single 
Window mode but the same things happen in Multiple Windows mode):

1/ When eXcursion starts, I get a bunch of message boxes with text 
like : "Couldn't add font path element /etc/dt/config/xfonts/C" for a 
bunch of fonts. I *did* the font thing for CDE listed in the 
eXcursion release notes.

2/ After I've been through the fonts message boxes, I get the login 
screen, I can login, and I get the main screen with the CDE Front 
Panel, the file manager and the desktop help thing. I can use the 
File Manager just fine but whenever I touch the Front Panel (just 
trying to fire up a terminal, or pressing the Exit button or 
anything), all freezes: the front panel is totally unresponsive, the 
file manager (which was OK seconds before) is unresponsive, etc.
eXcursion is NOT hung as I can use another terminal to set the 
DISPLAY back to my NT system and start an Xterm that way, the Xterm 
comes up and is usable, but the rest remains broken.

Here's what's in eXcursion log:

11/04/97  15:27:35  X Server        Information  eXcursion X3.0.554 
(Alpha) logging enabled.
11/04/97  15:27:35  Network         Warning      setsockopt(304) 
failed, error=ENOPROTOOPT
11/04/97  15:27:40  X Server        Error        couldn't set fpe 
'/etc/dt/config/xfonts/C'
11/04/97  15:27:40  X Server        Warning      Couldn't add font 
path element  /etc/dt/config/xfonts/C
11/04/97  15:27:55  X Server        Error        couldn't set fpe 
'/usr/dt/config/xfonts/C'
11/04/97  15:27:55  X Server        Warning      Couldn't add font 
path element  /usr/dt/config/xfonts/C
11/04/97  15:27:56  X Server        Error        couldn't set fpe 
'/usr/lib/X11/fonts/decwin/75dpi'
11/04/97  15:27:56  X Server        Warning      Couldn't add font 
path element  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/decwin/75dpi
11/04/97  15:27:56  X Server        Error        couldn't set fpe 
'/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/'
11/04/97  15:27:56  X Server        Warning      Couldn't add font 
path element  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/
11/04/97  15:27:57  X Server        Error        couldn't set fpe 
'/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/'
11/04/97  15:27:57  X Server        Warning      Couldn't add font 
path element  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/
11/04/97  15:27:57  X Server        Error        couldn't set fpe 
'/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1Adobe/'
11/04/97  15:27:57  X Server        Warning      Couldn't add font 
path element  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1Adobe/
11/04/97  15:27:58  X Server        Error        couldn't set fpe 
'/usr/lib/X11/fonts/user/75dpi'
11/04/97  15:27:58  X Server        Warning      Couldn't add font 
path element  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/user/75dpi
11/04/97  15:27:58  X Server        Error        couldn't set fpe 
'/usr/lib/X11/fonts/user/misc'
11/04/97  15:27:58  X Server        Warning      Couldn't add font 
path element  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/user/misc
11/04/97  15:27:59  Network         Warning      recv(364) failed, 
error=EWOULDBLOCK
11/04/97  15:28:17  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#8, Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
11/04/97  15:28:17  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#8, Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
11/04/97  15:28:17  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#8, Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
11/04/97  15:28:18  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#8, Request=MapWindow, Error=BadWindow
11/04/97  15:28:18  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#8, Request=ChangeProperty, Error=BadWindow
11/04/97  15:28:18  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#8, Request=MapWindow, Error=BadWindow
11/04/97  15:28:18  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#8, Request=GetWindowAttributes, Error=BadWindow
11/04/97  15:28:18  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#9, Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
11/04/97  15:28:18  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#9, Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
11/04/97  15:28:18  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#9, Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
11/04/97  15:28:18  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#9, Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
11/04/97  15:28:18  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#9, Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
11/04/97  15:28:18  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#9, Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
11/04/97  15:28:18  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#9, Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
11/04/97  15:28:18  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#9, Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
11/04/97  15:28:18  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#9, Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
11/04/97  15:28:23  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#8, Request=SetInputFocus, Error=BadWindow
11/04/97  15:28:25  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client 
#8, Request=ChangeSaveSet, Error=BadWindow

I've also tried to look at UNIX logs and I've found this that might 
be related (it seems to appear when CDE freezes):

Apr 11 15:29:45 corse syslog: libtt[4932]: ttdt_Xt_input_handler(): 
tttk_message
_receive(): TT_ERR_NOMP^INo ttsession process is running, probably 
because tt_op
en() has not been called yet. If this code is returned from tt_open() 
it means t
tsession could not be started, which generally means ToolTalk is not 
installed o
n this system.

Of course CDE works just fine from the UNIX system console.

Any advice welcome

	Vincent
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3265.1JAMIN::OSMANEric Osman, dtn 226-7122Tue Apr 15 1997 20:445
    See if you can determine if the problem is related to xdmcp.
    I fixed xdmcp after ssb went out.  For example, if you run cde without
    using xdmcp, does it work better ?
    
    /Eric
3265.2nova05.vbo.dec.com::BERGERWed Apr 16 1997 07:2315
Eric

Thanks for the reply, but if I run without XDCMP I'm not gonna get 
the CDE front panel, am  I ? I don't know what application to start 
to get it.
At least the font problem (my 1/ in .0) doesn't occur without XDMCP.

FWIW, I've also tried 3.0.564 (candidate for 7.0a I believe) and it's 
exactly the same.

Right now, I'm running xdm instead of cde, and still XDMCP, and that 
combination is OK (except that I like cde :-().

	Vincent
PS: do you want a QAR ?
3265.3JAMIN::OSMANEric Osman, dtn 226-7122Wed Apr 16 1997 15:178
    
    I'm experimenting with 3.0.564 here and using xdmcp to our unix system,
    and it seems to work o.k.  Can you possibly email me a node, username,
    and password for your unix so I can remotely try cde to your machine ?
    
    Thanks.
    
    /Eric
3265.4Has this been fixed?KERNEL::SHOULDINGWed Apr 30 1997 16:0310
Hi,

I have a customer with the same problem.  Is there any update on this or should they just not use XDMCP with
eXcursion?

Many thanks

Regards,
Samantha Houlding
Client/Server Support Group, CSC, UK
3265.5PEACHS::GHEFFDo you feel like swimming?Wed Apr 30 1997 16:453
    I don't know that anyone's been able to reproduce this problem.
    
    #Gary
3265.6JAMIN::OSMANEric Osman, dtn 226-7122Wed Apr 30 1997 19:5810
    We experimented with this for awhile.
    
    First, we found some setting in cde to make the font errors go away.
    
    But the hang still happened.
    
    The hang only happens on unix version 3 and not unix version 4.  So
    for some customers, a solution is to upgrade their unix to version 4.
    
    /Eric
3265.7PEACHS::GHEFFDo you feel like swimming?Wed Apr 30 1997 20:4212
    Ach!  I didn't notice it was Dux 3 we were talking about.  CDE on 3.2*
    is kind of kinky to begin with. I guess technically it shouldn't ball
    up the eXcursion server, but running CDE on 3.2 probably isn't a good
    idea in the first place.  The ADK is not a supported configuration.
    XDM is the recommended mode of operation on 3.2.
    
    FWIW, I haven't had any real trouble with 4.0 and CDE beyond what is
    mentioned in the eXcursion release notes.  (Actually I lie, it should
    probably be mentioned in the release notes that CDE behaves best if the
    "Allow foreign window manager" checkbox is selected. So that dtwm can
    do its thing.)
    
3265.8Sun Solaris V2.5.1KERNEL::SHOULDINGFri May 02 1997 09:16103
My customer is running Sun Solaris V2.5.1 and they are getting the following
the errors.  Is there a problem with this version?

Do you have the details of what to change within the CDE Setup, to remove the
font errors?

The errors don't happen when XDMCP isn't used, but then they don't get the
interface.

They have the 'Allow foreign Window Manager' checkbox selected, but this hasn't
made any difference.

Regards,
Sam

5/1/97  4:37:57 PM  X Server        Information  eXcursion V3.0.554 (Intel)logging enabled.
5/1/97  4:38:02 PM  X Server        Error        couldn't set fpe'/etc/dt/config/xfonts/C'
5/1/97  4:38:04 PM  X Server        Error        couldn't set fpe'/usr/dt/config/xfonts/C'
5/1/97  4:38:04 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:04 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:04 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:05 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:05 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:05 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:05 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:05 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:05 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:05 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:05 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:05 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:05 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:05 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:05 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:13 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:13 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:13 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:13 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:13 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #3,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #8,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #8,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #8,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #8,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #8,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #8,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #8,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #8,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #8,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #8,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #8,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #7,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #7,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #7,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #7,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #7,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #7,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #7,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #7,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #7,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #7,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #7,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:15 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=MapWindow, Error=BadWindow
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=ChangeProperty, Error=BadWindow
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=MapWindow, Error=BadWindow
5/1/97  4:38:16 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=GetWindowAttributes,
Error=BadWindow
5/1/97  4:38:17 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:17 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:17 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:17 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:17 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:17 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:17 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:17 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:17 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:17 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #11,Request=QueryFont, Error=BadFont
5/1/97  4:38:18 PM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #9,Request=SetInputFocus, Error=BadWindow
5/1/97  4:38:32 PM  X Server        Information  No host selected.




3265.9PEACHS::GHEFFDo you feel like swimming?Fri May 02 1997 12:5119
    >My customer is running Sun Solaris V2.5.1 and they are getting the
    >following the errors.  Is there a problem with this version?
    
    Digital's CDE implementation in Unix 4.0 plays fine with eXcursion 2.1
    and 3.0.  
    
    >Do you have the details of what to change within the CDE Setup, to
    >remove the font errors?
    
    Have you implemented the procedure listed in the eXcursion release
    notes for CDE fonts?  That would be the place to start.  At least that
    might clean up the log file.  You don't mention whether or not they're
    really having any problems or if they are just concerned about the
    error messages.
    
    See http://tuvok.alf.dec.com/excursion/notes_en3.html if you don't have
    the release notes handy.
    
    #Gary
3265.10JAMIN::OSMANEric Osman, dtn 226-7122Fri May 02 1997 18:315
    
    It was the author of .0 that did something in the "config" for cde
    to prevent the font errors.  You could ask him.
    
    /Eric