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Title: DEC Network Integration Server (DECNIS)
Notice:Please read note 1 to use this conference effectively
Moderator:MARVIN::WELCH
Created:Wed Sep 18 1991
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3660
Total number of notes:15082

3631.0. "MTU Size for Classical IP over ATM" by TAGAUS::AURAND () Fri May 09 1997 14:12

Hi,

just a short question about the MTU size suppported supported for Classical IP
over ATM.

RFC1577 MTU Size:

  "The default MTU size for IP members operating over the ATM network
   SHALL be 9180 octets. The LLC/SNAP header is 8 octets, therefore the
   default ATM AAL5 protocol data unit size is 9188 octets [2].  In
   classical IP subnets, values other than the default can be used if
   and only if all members in the LIS have been configured to use the
   non-default value."

But the help for DECnis only mentioned a Maximum PDU Size of 4490/4500 although
I could set the value to 9180 without getting an error from the scriptcompiler.
(Unfortunately I have no DECnis with a ATM card to test this configuration).

Therefore it would be nice, if someone can answer the following questions:

1. Is it valid to use 9180 as MTU size for an ATM Routing Circuit

2. If yes what are the correct values to be compliant with RFC1577 ?
   
   set routing circuit atm-circuit Manual Data Link SDU Size 9180
								
   set atm multiprotocol encapsulation link NAME maximum pdu size 9180
		|
	What is the difference between the two PDU sizes ?
		|
   set atm connection management line NAME pvc NAME pdu size 9190 ???

   	Many thanks for your help

		Andreas	

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3631.1ATM MAX PDU Size is 4510GALVIA::thebe.ilo.dec.com::rawlingsMon May 12 1997 12:4427
	Andreas,

	The maximum PDU Size support by DECNIS over the W631 
	card is 4510 octets.

	It is invalid to specify 9180.

	The script compiler may well not complain, since the
	check against supported sizes is only performed on 
	the DECNIS.

	It is not possible, without major effort, to get DECNIS to
	use larger PDU sizes.

	The maximum sizes you can set are:

	Routing circuit:
		4500

	ATM PVC:
		4510

	There is no Max PDU size parameter for the ATM CON MAN LINE

		Regards,
			Mark.
3631.2two more questionsTAGAUS::AURANDMon May 12 1997 14:0320
    Hi Mark,
    
    many thanks for your answer.
    
    >> The maximum PDU Size support by DECNIS over the W631
    >> card is 4510 octets.
    
    According to RFC1577 this will result in changing the MTU Size to 4500
    on other nodes in the LIS or will Classical IP still work if some nodes
    have a MTU of 9180 and the DECnis uses 4500 ?
    
    >> There is no Max PDU size parameter for the ATM CON MAN LINE
    
    What I meant was the MAXIMUM PDU SIZE for the ATM MULTIPROTOCOL
    ENCAPSULATION LINK. Is this the ATM PVC (4510) - LLC Header (8 Bytes ?)
    
    	Many thanks for your help
    
    		Andreas
    
3631.3You *may* be able to run the DECNIS at 4500, whilst the LIS uses 9180GALVIA::thebe.ilo.dec.com::rawlingsMon May 12 1997 15:0734

	Sorry,

	My misunderstanding.
	
	The max size at ATM MUL PROT ENC link is 4500.

	The requirement for all members of the LIS to use
	the same PDU size comes from the dynamic nature of 
	SVC connections and the lack of PDU size negotiation.

	When one member of a LIS needs to talk to another, it 
	'looks-up' the ATM address of the required system; creates
	and SVC; and starts transmitting.

	There is no negotiation of Max PDU size, so the Max PDU
	must be assumed to be OK. 
	This 'assumption' leads to the statement in the RFC specifying
	all LIS members should use the same Max PDU Size.

	Now, DECNIS doesn't implement SVCs and participates as 
	a member of a LIS by attaching to a partner LIS system via a PVC.
	This means that only the attached system needs to be using the
	lower size of 4500 on the Links to the DECNIS.

	If you can be sure that the system the DECNIS is attached to 
	will fragment frames for the DECNIS larger than 4500 you
	should be OK. 
	However, if not,  the full LIS will need to be brought down to
	4500.

		Regards,
			Mark
3631.4TAGAUS::AURANDTue May 13 1997 09:105
    Hi Mark,
    
    many thanks for the explanation.
    
    	Best regards	- Andreas